THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Bugatti Reclaims the Speed World Record, and a Bad 2025 for Electric Pickups!

Episode Date: January 3, 2025

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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Felipe. And happy New Year, everyone. It's 2025. Felipe is still writing 24 on his personal checks. He will for another 40 days or so. But it's our first podcast of the new year.

And we begin with the news. And actually a rather dark turn for our podcast. There was some incidents last week. There was in New Orleans. There was a pickup truck that was used to drive through a crowd and kill a bunch of people. And then there was an explosion in. outside of a casino in Las Vegas, both of these incidents used

electric pickup trucks, which was unusual. I saw the lightning pictures that morning, and I was like, huh, that's odd. It is odd. And then it came out that they were both rented. Now, this is a car news story only in the sense that these are interesting,

new models, but I'm kind of curious if it will come out if the person, because they were rented. I'm curious if it will come out that the person, especially in New Orleans, specifically chose the lightning because it is heavy and silent and fast. I think it's both of the whole thing.

Silence is an interesting point. Yeah, I wonder if that played into the idea there. Yeah. It's like so heavy. Each of the things you said is spot on. It is silent. It is very fast. I actually don't know what trim it was,

but they're all relatively fast. Right. And they're so heavy. They're so heavy. And you wouldn't hear it. I did read an eyewitness report in one of the news articles. We saw the truck and then we heard him floor it. And I'm like,

eyewitnesses are the worst. You did not hear that. But it is interesting. It's interesting. And it'll be interesting to see if that, if that is, does come out to be a component of this later or if they're ever even able to determine that. But obviously, odd to see these trucks in those back-to-back news stories.

Well, and tragic, certainly. But both of them. The lightning is about 1,000 to 2,000 pounds heavier than an F-150. Than a regular F-150. And obviously, depending on F-150s, etc. Yeah. Which is the scary proposition. Right.

And the cyber truck explosion was wild. I mean, it was crazy. It looked like something out of a video game. Like, it really didn't. I saw that, and the first thing I thought was like, this was not just a a cyber truck exploding. No, which a lot of people

jump to that conclusion really fast. Look at these trucks. These EVs. Yeah, exactly. But no, definitely not. Especially when they went

like that sound. Did you watch the video? It's wild. Yeah. There's like fireworks going off. So that was an impressive firework invitation. Thank you.

That was. I like invitations. I like doing that. All right. Give us the next news story, please. Felipe? For 2025,

there are 27 vehicles that are available with a manual transmission. Yeah. That's down a little bit. Yeah. Barely from 2024. Okay.

Do you want to just guess any of them. Yeah, I mean, I bet we could Yeah, I'll bet we can probably knock on it. You want to, can you go off of that? No, I don't want to go through all of them.

I'll give you 8, 8, or, uh, so CT5V Blackwing, one. This is the ATS? Or what's, okay. The ATS, hasn't existed for about, or not the 8th. Here's a question I have for you.

Before we try to name 27 cars, how many of them are still base models of cars? There are a couple. But there's like two, right? It's, because, it's morphed into just an enthusiast. It really has.

The only base models models that come to mind the Nist. exist and the K4 probably doesn't have it. Correct, but the Nissan Versa does have it. Okay. The Mazda 3, which is bass-ish, has it in the base trim. Okay.

And the premium trim, which is base. And that's it. Wow. I mean, all of July is like the sporty version, the Launcher and also the sporty version. So the days of manual transmission base models are basically dying with the Versa. Like, Mazda would do it anyway because they're sporty and it's offered in the base trim. But also those cars are dead. The Versa is like the only one left.

Yeah. really, that's the really small subcompact today. So if you want to be cool and have a manual or get in a cool car. That's great. The manual has become, in the U.S. anyway, solely the purview of performance cars, which makes sense. They're not cheaper to manufacture. They're not more

fuel efficient anymore. That used to be, those used to be too big things. They were cheaper to manufacture, they were more fuel efficient. And so automakers would get higher EPA ratings with them so they could advertise. That was always a big deal. And then because they were cheaper to manufacture, they could lower the base price. Can I give you one VERSA fun

fact that I pulled from the Atopian I don't think you have a Versa fun fact. The Atopian could not find a single press photo of a launcher of a new Nissan Versa with a manual transnational. On Nissan's website, they do not exist. Like trying to take a press photo of the first generation Ferrari, California with a six speed and it. Really hard to find pictures of that.

Until recently. But this is a car that's been sold right now. Right now. Do you remember those last Mercury eclipse or Mitsubishi eclipse pictures where they just took it outside the factory and snaps in photos? I do. I do. Great press photos. Yes, by that pond. By a pond.

man-made do you want to guess there's two manufacturers that are tied for the number of model lines that have a man-trak can I guess? Yes,

I think BMW is one of them Correct. And Porsche and Porsche. No. What? Porsche only has three model lines How many does BMW have? Four.

What? But there's one other manufacturing. M2, right? Yep. M-4. M3. That's three. What a fascinating word to go.

The Z4 now has it. Correct. Z4 has a state- But there is one other manufacturer that has four models that are available with a manual. Subaru no Subaru no Subaru doesn't sell for Honda no Ford Honda has won the Ford Lincoln Mercury no good ever though I mean if you keep no

like correct only one because the GTI is no longer real with the stick what yeah they're really screwing us plus Volkswagen's going electric you know I saw an ID buzz yesterday I was like I want that I think I want one they're so cool yeah Toyota is a cure Toyota is a cure a Akura Accura has won the integral Atega a ASE back and type S what is Toyota get they have of the Super. The G. G. R. Corolla.

The Super. The 86. The GR 86. That's called now. And? Manual. You have reviewed it. Not a manual form, but you reviewed it.

New Camry. No. The new Tacoma is the one you mentioned. That's true. Didn't I review a manual? I thought I did. Or maybe, I don't know. I thought I did.

I haven't watched your Tacoma video. I'm really sorry. I've done another one since then and I haven't caught up here. Those are, so that they, Toyota and BMW are tied for the most manual translation card they offer. Toyota BMW are the two enthusiasts brands. Well, hats off to all the manufacturers are still offering manual transmissions in their cars. I'm glad that a lot of people complain that BMWs don't stop listening to their

customers. Cars are so ugly, it's like, as we have said a lot, but you can still row your own. You can still row your own cars. And there are a lot of people who say, oh, they're not as good, whatever. It's like, well, do you want to row your own gears or not? In my opinion, I'd rather have a third pedal than not. And so I'm glad they're still in a lot of cars, four different model lines, apparently. Yeah, hell yeah. He's been tricked by them that the three and the four series are different cars. I will accept it, though, but can we all put one out for our favorite manual transmission car? The Jeep Gladiator that is no longer available to the man. They ditching the stick Gladiator.

But the Vrangler's still available, don't worry. Yikes. Okay, give me our next new story. There are still quite a few. All right. Nissan Honda. We talked last week or a couple weeks ago about how there are talks of them merging and they are under a memorandum of understanding about potentially merging.

And then there's now there's been some conspiracy theories. There haven't been conspiracy theories. I think that now they're actually having to explain what they might do. And it's becoming more and more clear that the biggest concern, is that Nissan will be purchased by a non-Japanese manufacturer. So Foxcon approached Nissan, which makes iPhones and also probably cars. I mean, I don't know. The Chinese market.

Make everything. Foxcon approached Nissan about a takeover. And I think the Japanese government is really concerned about that. Why? They get Toyota, one of the most eminent manual transmission manufacturers. Right. They don't need anything else. But Honda CEO recently was asked at a press conference, why are you interested in merging with Nissan?

And his response was, it's difficult to, that's a difficult question. And then did not expand further. Well, we're focused on Seattle. Yikes. Yeah. So it's, clearly there's a lot of pressure to do it. There's a lot of concerns about what happens. I don't understand.

Why not just let Nissan do what it does? If you want to takeover, get a takeover. There are Japanese brands that are real serious brands. Nissan, Toyota, Subaru, I mean, Honda, Toyota, Subaru, of course, is owned largely by Toyota. Daihatsu. also owned larger by Toyota. Well, great. Toyota's killing it then.

We don't have any problems. Mazda, which still makes cars to this day. Also might be partially owned by Toyota. Yeah, it's also partially owned by Toyota. When I was a kid, Mazda was owned by Ford or not. They had some agreement. The tribute. The tribute and the Ranger, the Navajo.

And did they help to build? The Navajo. Didn't the probe? Wasn't that also developed? Yeah. Do you remember what the Mazda version was called? Can anyone here get it? It wasn't the 323.

It was called the MX6, but in In Canada, I am serious about what I'm about to say. In Canada, it was called the MX6 Myster. Do you know how it was the MX5 Miata? Yes. The MX6 Mysteri. How's that spelled? It was like M-Y-S-T-E-R-E.

I'm not sure how it ended. I never heard it said. It was Canada. The MX-3 in Canada was called the MX3 Presidia. Oh, very nice. You remember the MX3? I do. It had the world's smallest V-6.

Remember 1.8 liter of V-6. V-6. I vaguely remember this. So I did the MX-3. MX5 and the MX6, but no MX4? I don't remember if there was an MX4, but I guess maybe not. Huh. Yeah.

Anyway, that was a good call out, the probe. Your mom has a. My mom did have one. That was correct. There'll still likely be a merger, but it's very clear that it's being driven in large part by fear rather than strategic decision, let's say. Well, fear-based mergers are fine. Yeah.

Sure. Nothing wrong with fear. Right. Little fear goes a long way. Right. For instance, we all feared when Mercedes-Benz and Chrysler got together. And Danle were rewrite. That was the worst merger in the history merger.

Yeah. I think we'll have a new competitor. I do think it, to me, it does sound like this is being a little bit pushed by the government must be. Honda is obviously in a much better situation. Nissan is kind of a disastrous company. And so that's a whole interesting thing. Just like Daimler, they will, of course, bill it as a merger of equals. A merger of equals.

And it will not be. And hopefully, hopefully, the result of this is infinity goes away. We can all hope. Or accurate or both. Acura. By the way, here's an Acura question for you guys. Why doesn't Acura make a luxury minivan? They are obviously the most BS of the luxury brands.

I mean, the most, let's not call them BS, the least luxury, right? Like, BMW is like, oh, we don't build minivans. Acura, like, builds minivans. You know what I'm saying? Mentally, you go to the Acura dealer and you're like, you don't. don't have a minivan. So you're saying an Accura version of the

Odyssey? Yeah. That's what you're saying. Why not do that? I would buy that. The Odyssey is pretty nice as it is. I know, but you could have the Accura MLX,

MLV, MVX. I don't know. That's how they name cars. I don't know how they do weird stuff over there. They like to have it in with an X. The SUVs end with an X.

Although the sort of the sedan. So yeah, they like an X. Except for the Integro. The Integro is the name. The X is silent. It's implied. I mean it, though. I mean it, though. They should have an Akura minivan.

They should also have a lot of other things. Like, they don't have a hybrid or an electric car. They don't have. Sorry, they do have an electric car. I saw ZDX in the road last week. You did? Yes. You didn't send me a photo? I was drawn for two weeks.

I was in the Kuntosh. I'm not taking ZDX pictures of the Kuntas. You see a ZDX in the street. You said Filippo. All right. Fine. It's beyond your level of standing. The angles are bad in that car.

There's a lot of, there's a lot of, there's a lot of, No, in the Kuntash, my phone goes away. Yeah, it takes you're focused on driving. There's nothing else you can do. At all times when driving, Doug's phone is away. That's true. I was hoping that he had a dash cam that could take a photo photo. That's true.

But if you were ever going to take your phone out of light or whatever, you don't do the Kutosh. You also don't need a career GT because getting started is hard. The clutch situation is a challenge. Okay, move on to the next news story. That's it. Ah, yes. So speak of performance cars. A man standing next to a Bugatti.

Yes, this is the Bugatti Mistral. So this is the final car to be built using the Shuron Plows. And this car, their headlights, they illuminate the road. Those are the headlights now over the years it's changed. It changed. Let the adults. Go back to sleep. So the Mistral has set a new record.

It is the world's fastest production convertible to 282 miles an hour, which beat out the Hennessy Venom G.T, which itself was very impressive, doing 256 miles an hour. And, of course, the Hennessy Venetty, as we know, not a production car. Right. Well, yes, you said it. But, yeah, so this was said at ERA LSA, which is Bugatti's test track, Volkswagen's test track that they have. The same one were James made. It has the five miles straight that they can do it on. So naturally, they did.

And the driver was... You ever look at this on Google Maps? It's wild. It's incredible. I'm much more interested in the car. Does it, is it actually a convertible or did it just, is like a T-top situation? Let me show you something. There's no roof.

Which would mean it's a convertible. It is a convertible implied that it can be converted into a head of roof. I know you live in the Corvette world where the coop and convertible both have roofs that come on. What is the deal with that, by the way? Everybody's like, I have a coop. No, you don't. Nobody has a coop. It doesn't exist.

In my mind, it means the roof does not come off. The coop, the roof comes off. Which is different from the convertible where the roof comes off. It is so weird that we just accept the fact that there are Corvette coups and convertibles, both of which are convertibles. Yep, and everybody just goes, yep, sounds right. Yeah, but yes, the roof does come off and you can put a roof. on it making it a convertible. You know, it's weird.

By the way, I admit I have not paid a lot of attention to Bugatti lately. I didn't know there was the whole thing about Shiron was they didn't do a convertible. But I guess the mistrawl, they have a convertible.

There was no convertible Shiron. They just renamed it and changed the bodywork a little bit. Yes, and they only produced 99 of these. So, I mean, it wasn't like it was common. But yeah, 1,578 horsepower is what it took to get it there. 282 miles an hour in an open roof car.

And of course, to set the record, my understanding is you have to go in one direction, come back and do it in the other direction and take the average of the tree and that could you get to presume they do it with the roof off, right? Because the roof can't sustain those speeds.

Imagine. It'd be wild. Yeah, it would, because it looks like, I can't tell if those are intakes there. I would imagine that they're related something. But like, you're doing 282 miles an hour with no roof. Oh, it must be, I mean, think about an airplane.

Like if you open the door in an airplane. That's what it'd be like. The arrow is so good. For the wind, I mean, it would be insane. This dude has no hair because it got blown off 40 minutes or. earlier when they did the run. Andy Walls,

I'm sure, was wearing the helmet that's in his hand that matches the car, which I'm sure you can buy as a whole it's probably 25 grand. By the way, why does the car say sing?

Is this going to a wealthy Indian customer? Maybe, I don't know. But nonetheless, like, it is cool to, it is cool that this is the way the show and goes out as we prepare for the tour beyond.

It is cool that people are still setting top speed records. I do have to say, though, as I think about the fact that Kuntash was the fastest car in the world in its day, as you often do. And I do.

I do think about it. Oh, I know. Although I had never even attempt. It was just assumed because cars were garbage then. It is sad that the purview of the fastest car in the world has become a zillion-dollar cars. Like, you, there was a time when Kuntash and Mira and Boxer and 288 G2 were like duking it out. There was a time when you might see the fastest car in the world, like, parked at a valet stand in your town. If you live in a nice city.

If you live in Monaco, you're good. But like now these cars are like not attainable. I mean, it's sad that the top speed record has, has completely. is no longer a thing. I agree. I refer to them as Concor's cars. Like you'll see

when there's a concor you'll see this like parked at a valet somewhere like car. It's a car week car. These are production cars in a different sense than like when the old days

when the Daytona was the fastest car in the world just because no one made a car with a bigger engine and it just was the fastest. Yeah. That was a cool era. We need new categories

of like production cars where they've actually made cars. Right. Can I say two things that are going to be controversial here? Oh boy.

The fact that it's a kind of when it's a purpose-built car they're making 99th. It's just an aerodynamics question. And like, what the top does doesn't matter. You're not, you don't have a convertible like a powerful. But it is an aerodynamic. It's a huge. It's a legitimate error.

I know. It's impressive. But the fact that it's convertible is doesn't feel that notable. Well, and, and, I mean, this is a record. Right. I mean, it's because they could. It's not like, it's a good Christmas news story when there's no other news. But it's not a record that we would, like the fastest car is the record.

Yeah. Yes. This is a foot note. I, what I also want to know now is what is the car that can have the top go up or down at the fastest speed. That's the record I'm actually interested. You know what the answer to that is, is cars with tiny tops? Although I just did an N-A-Miata video.

Well, it's manual. Startway, you could do it at any speed. Good call. Oh, I thought you meant the top goes down. No, no, no, no. At what speed can you still have the top go off or down? A lot of cars, first off, Fast and I'm Furious, they did it in a Super Sport Roof?

I like 70. I might also be able to put it back up. Well, did you mean that? Because Nick's Mercy, you could probably at $150, you could do it. And I'll tell you something. And, A, you could do it at its time. It's based on the way that react, it's 60 miles now, it'll do it on its own.

Okay, give us the other news story, which is even more interesting. So this one really fascinated me. So it was seen at the Lamborghini factory recently. There were a number of cars going in and out. Presumably, Lamborghini was using them to benchmark and sort of see how all the manufacturers approach things. One was a Ferrari SF-90, which makes sense.

I'm sure they wanted to see what a market failure car would look like. The other was McLaren Artura. Again, I repeat myself. And the third car that was interesting was the Hyundai Ionic 5N. I suspect, as you probably do, the reason they did that I think was because of the transmission simulation that it does where you can shift gears, but it's all electric. And Lamborghini, as I talked about in the last podcast, is push back when they're going to do an all electric car. And I wonder if they're not as intrigued as we are about the Hyundai in thinking that this might be the approach to make something fun and have some spirit even though it's electric.

It's tremendously interesting. And the fact that they got that car there, you've got to assume. They don't need a benchmark Kunday for any other reason. Any other reason. But that car has one very special component to it. And I felt that the component was so special that I made an entire second video just about that. And it was kind of a BS video, but like I really wanted to make the point to my audience, but also to those who watch us in the automotive manufacturing community that I think that this electric car shifting is the future for performance electric cars.

And I am tired of sitting. getting into electric cars where you just put your foot down and it goes. Anybody can do it. Anybody does do it. You can buy one of those cars now for $22,000 on our site. Right. This car made it fun in a way that I'm glad someone is paying attention to. I totally agree.

I got to drive that car and it blew me away. I was, I felt surprisingly optimistic about the future of what electric cars could feel. It's not a three pedal manual, but it's also not a, which would be cool. Flora and, you know, like it's better than that. It gave, it's interesting. It was. And for a sports car, mostly, with the exception of the Uruz, produce, like a company,

the social focus, start focusing on that, I think, is really telling. Yeah. And I'm hopeful of that is what comes. Especially because Porsche said, although I think it was a Porsche racing driver who said that they would never do shifting. And Ferrari would never build an SUV. I mean, here we are. You know what I mean? I'll tell you, though, if Porsche's driver probably doesn't speak for the company, but this is Porsche.

I mean, the Euris uses the power train. They all share this. So, like, it's all being developed at the same time. If Lamborghini is looking at this stuff, then you have to assume it will find its way into intimately Porsche Audi RS. Such a great point. Which is interesting. Because if it does, then suddenly, like, things have been livened up a little bit.

The Tycon should have this. The Tycon should have this. There should not be an electric boxter that is released without this feature. I think there shouldn't be an electric boxer released at all. And I think the market will agree with you. Porsche already kind of feels that way. I'm supportive of them. But nonetheless, hats off.

If this is how it goes. That's off to Hyundai and Ionic 5N for getting there first. We will always talk about this as a thing if this is what happens. Again, maybe we stand it. It changed how I feel about performance electric cars. First it was, while these are fast and that's pretty cool. And dynamically, some of them have been great. The Taekon dynamically is as better than Panama probably.

But like, this made it fun in a totally new way. Can I ask a question? Have you ever seen an Ionic 5-1? Never. On the road. Have you? No. We live in the land of New-Hole.

but if they weren't so expensive, I would love to have one. That's part of them. I mean, I think ultimately, performance electric cars is a weird segment. The people who want performance cars, the type of people on electric cars? Very different people. Yeah. But Lamborghini would be the people that straddle them. All right, next segment, we're going to move on to talking about cars, which you've already been doing, but now we're going to especially talk about them.

In a new segment. Not news related. Now, I have on our little pod dock here in my talk cars segment, I have feelings about the new camera. Yeah. Philippo is very curious. I'm incredibly curious. I'm going to take a nap now. Filippo is very curious.

Okay, here's my feelings about the new camera. The new camera came out for the 25 model year. You were one of the first people in the country to drive one. Okay. I was, when I reviewed the car, I reviewed it as a video journalist. And so they usually give you those at the start or at the end of the launch. And just by chance, they gave it to me at the start. So before anybody else.

And as I turned in the car, they said to me, you know, you're the first person outside Toyota in the world to have driven the new camera. And now I have this feeling of ownership of it. I see one on the street. Right. Ridiculous. So I'm driving around and I see a new camera. There's a lot. And I'm like, I'm like, that's my, that, I drove that first.

Like I'm thinking that as I'm driving around. The other day I saw one getting like an incident. Like someone cut one off in an old camera actually. The new camera got cut off. And I was thinking, don't you, don't you cut off my car. I don't know. I don't know. But every time I see a new camera now, this is my feeling.

like I was there. Man, they really got to you. I was there. It's like Babe Ruth's called shot. If you were there, that's how I feel about the new Camry. And so every time I see it on the street, I'm thinking to myself,

me. Do you know, you don't know this, but you're next to the guy who drove it first. You don't know this, but if you feel a line where the paint changes color, you can actually feel a little difference, right? You could have found that out even if I hadn't driven it first, though.

but I have driven it. Right. You know, you've driven a lot of cars that I am envious that you've driven. The Camry is not one of those cars. Well, I'll tell you this, Kenan, you say that if you want to, but when I see a Shiron, I don't feel ownership over the Shiron. For good or anything. I got 12 million views. Shiron, I got the biggest Shiron video.

They made me bought it because of you. That's fine. That's great. People come to me and say that all the time. I bought my X, Y, Z because of you. I bought my shirt. The Camry. I was number one.

Okay. And that's my feeling about the new Camry. I have like some personal. I don't know. I'm really proud of you for being the first person outside of Toyota. Once they had finished development and we're ready to release the car. To have happened by happen since it's driven that, except, of course, for every port worker. A truck driver.

And a truck driver. Probably the valet and the hotel where the lawns was happening. That's a great of gas in it. I mean, he's probably the 27th person. And spouses of all of the Toyota employees who took it home in Georgetown, Kentucky. The point is, I feel ownership over the car. Okay. Give us your, uh, Philippo.

Actually, I'm glad that we're next, we can move on from this unusual topic. Same. To discuss. When you see a new camera, you're going to think it now. When the world sees a new Camry. I saw a lot of cameras in the last two weeks. I did take that. If I died tomorrow, remember me for the Camry.

Okay, Felipe, tell us about your holiday. Yeah, I drove over 2,000 miles, 2200 miles. Yeah, no, how was the family? They were great. I saw my in-laws, saw a lot of different in-laws. Did you, what was the Christmas dinner over at your place? There. That was a week and a half ago.

Let me think about that. You've forgotten? I made it. What did you make? Was it a roast? I made a bunch of... He was tired after driving 2200 miles. I made a risotto.

Oh, God. And I made... Not risotto. Risotto. It was very cheesy on purpose. It was delightful. I also had to make some dairy-free one. That was harder.

For Christmas, my family is also Italian, although not Italian enough for Filippo. My grandparents all came from Italy. It's not enough for him. But it's not enough for him. But it's not. doesn't count. You know, I qualify for Italian citizenship. But we had spaghetti, or as Flippo would call it, but blah, blah, blah.

Okay, anyway, 2,000 miles in your station. Yeah, and it was wonderful. Every time I take a long drive, it just, it's so competent. Yes. We was, my wife and her dog for about 700 miles of it, my mother-in-law was in the car. Yeah. We did other trips with a bunch of people. Yeah. I agree. So good. Listen, 26 and a half months per gallon over that, which includes a lot of trips to mile high and above elevation. Yep. It's just so. good. It's so good. I drove mine at cross country, not last summer before, 23, and I lament daily the fact that my cross-country drives will not be in that car anymore. It's just so competent. So good.

And our car has 115,000 miles. I've driven at 50,000 miles since I bought it on cars and beds three years ago. And it just like, I was thinking because I had 11 hours in the car yesterday to do some thinking. What would I get? And like, a newer one. What else is that? A newer one. I'm going to sell you mine at the end of it. Yeah, probably. What else is that good? Like, is the next five That good? No. Only an E-class station wagon does an E-class station wagon thing. Everything fits.

Almost letting him talk about not getting a car again. It's right on the edge. I'm keeping that wagon forever because it's worth nothing. It's especially worth nothing because, unbeknownst to our viewers, it got hit again. It was parked in front of our house and somebody hit it. Filippo bought this car on the main. Okay. He's still got a main inspection sticker on the windshield.

I do. In San Diego is wild. It's the only one in existence. Yeah, pull it up. Yeah. There is a great car. It's brown. It's quite an ugly color combination.

Dezigno interior? Dezigno interior. It got hit again. This time, it's brown on brown. Yeah. The interior is brown and black. And black. The third row seat was only if they only did it in black.

Makes sense. Yeah, because I got a white interior and my third was also black. Although, by the way, my white interior, my wife's only driving that car now. And my white interior ain't so white anymore. Let's just put it that way. Kids, there's not a lot of care being given. Noodle. Noodle gets in it every day.

Anyway, the point is, nothing's like any class white. No, it's just the finest car. It does it all. And it's good to drive. This is the thing about wagons. You get the practicality of a crossover, but it's actually good to drive. I make fun of enthusiasts for driving the brown, diesel manual, wagons, you know, the whole thing. But like, there is a reason.

Right. They're pretty good. Right. And it's like, there's not like a super high center of gravity. So if you're going up to the mountains, you can have, you're not going to have fun, but like it's competent. Do you know how much role my Sequoia feels like it has? It's just like, yeah. Ponders.

It's not. The stage wagon is it, and it's so comfortable. Although the next gen is so much more. I know. I have to imagine yours is so much better. Have you not driven mine? I have driven yours around town. Like I brought it to the office from your house.

If Mercedes wants to loan me an S214, I would, I would take that. I got to get one as a press. You do. I already shot the video that didn't. Not with the wagon. But I will also say my car is over 10 years old now. It has dastronic. He uses the entire, pretty much the entire time.

And a 10-year-old Mercedes adapter cruise is still good. Yeah. Well, surprisingly... Your car, Distronic will go all the way to zero. It won't start right. You have to pull a thing. It will start. But only after a few seconds, you have to pull the thing.

No, no, it will start. It leaves a lengthy gap. But it will start on its own and it will steer on its own. It is nothing better than a Mercedes E-class station wagon. Except the BMW I-5 wagon. Do you say you prefer, if they made a touring of that, that would be what you want. Only because I want electric. And it doesn't seem like Mercedes is going to do that.

Eventually. Eventually. But BMW did it today. And I would get an I-5 tour ring. literally today. I would get out of E-class wagons after I've had five E-classes, six E-classes, and get into a I-5. But BMW's not bringing it to the U.S. But I have an electric car charge at my house now. I am ready to plug in. No one is making a mid-size luxury station wagon for me. What is going on? How rude of them. Don't you understand you would sell 20 to 30 a year? Also, nobody is making a good mid-size luxury SUV either, because I'm not calling the I-X good and I'm not calling the EQE-E-S-EV. I-X is good. The EQE-E-S-E-V. What about Tesla? You forget about Model Y is too small Oh, Model X

Yeah What about What about the Macon Electric? Oh, for Christ's sake He's just really got to narrow down IX is a great car Okay, I X is a great car

Are there any luxury Three Row SUVs right now? No, the QX80 Sorry, three low electric Oh sorry, we only do big old motors Is the Model X X? Yes sir Model X Rivian

Don't forget Rivian Is EQS SUV Yes, there's a three row in that And let's also not forget the Kia EV-9er. Not luxury. It's my definition. I will say, though,

the lucid gravity will be out soon. Lucid gravity out soon. The Rivian is the one. Yeah. And the EV-9. You don't think it's luxury? I sat in one. Didn't drive it.

They drove it in a sheet. Remember that? I do. I sat in one. Seems luxury to me. Seems luxury to me. Just saying. Yeah.

Quite nice. Okay. Kenan, give us your talk cars segment. Yes. So one of the things, you know, it's the new year. And everybody has resolutions they've made. And I wanted to make some automotive resolutions.

for myself to fall. I would love to hear what they are. There are two. Two. Number one, buy a cayenne turbo. That is one I'm going to do this year. We have a giveaway. We have a giveaway.

There's an update on that. We haven't announced yet. But you could potentially maybe buy a cayon turbo. Well, that one here in the office. Needs some. That one is a Doug DeMuro contest winning automobile. I'll sign it. I don't.

Please don't sign that. Leave the leather alone. The leather. I'm going to sign the hood. and then we'll PPF over it. You might walk on the hood for the next owner. But I would like that car, but it is a little bit high mileage

for what I'm looking for. I want one that's, you know, kind of 70, 80,000. Okay, biocyanter. What's the other resolution? The other one is that outside of normal routine means, oil change, you know, whatever. I don't want to, my goal for the M5 is I'm not going to spend more than $2,000 on it this year. Including routine maintenance?

No, like just in general. I wanted to keep it to a thousand, but I thought, eh, something might crop up, but I want to keep it to, I'm not going to spend more than two grand on the car. It does need, like, the window tint needs to be replaced at some point. Like,

it's starting to peel. That will cost some money. But, like, really outside of that, there's nothing that the car needs mechanically, and I need to slow down the spending on it. So that's my goal for this year. I'm proud of you for getting both attainable resolutions and that,

like, that's, I'm proud of you. I got a resolution to buy a Bugatti bullied. I'm sorry? bully day you said that's not attainable Fannie did it

Can we Can we do Viper instead of No Kyanterror seems No I mean the Viper would be nice to have But I think that the Kyan Turbo gives me more of like mental freedom that I need Let me ask you this

$2,000 resolution on the M5 spend What about on the Kyan Turbo spend Right Well here's what's what's going to happen He's buy a kind of turbo next week and put 30 grand and be like I didn't spend two, I didn't spend more than two on the M5. I mean, that would be true. But the whole point of the Kyan Turbo is that it needs a lot less.

It's not as maintenance intensive as the M5. We hope. If you want something not maintenance intensive, why not buy a fifth gen four runner? Because that is a garbage vehicle drive around it. Or like, why not lease a new car? It's just, it's a truck and I don't want something ponderous. And the Kionturb is not ponderous. Have you considered an S-212 wagon?

It's been a hit a couple times. But I'll sell it to you first. a good deal. What about a E-class station wagon? Dude, fill it out. The ground clearance gave me so driving around in the car terrain. Mine isn't all-terrain dude. I can lift it. It's liftable. You can go on all-terrain? Yes, but yours is still

very much on the depreciation curve. I don't like losing money to depreciation. I'd rather spend money on maintenance than I would depreciate. I agree with you. It improves the car. I actually one time I saw a comment about that's like Kenan laughs at people who do depreciation, but he was willing to put

20 grand a year in his car, it's like, yeah. Yeah, my car gets better and better. Right, your car is getting better. Depreciating cars are, by definition, not. Getting worse. And it doesn't, and that doesn't, you don't feel that pain until you go to sell it.

Then it's like, damn, I lost all of this money. It's just evaporated. Can I ask you a question, Kenon? So we are in this underground office here. And it takes, we've timed at about a, what, a minute and a half if every time you want to leave. Yes, counting like driving to the elevator, using the elevator and driving up.

Minutantash takes like four, but all right. Kuntas is a tonne problem. Will you be willing to park a Kyan Turbo you buy outside? Yes. The whole point of the Kyan Turbo was a distress-free vehicle. I'm not going to care. Can I hold you to that? You're not going to clean it? I mean, I'll clean it occasionally, but I probably won't

hand-watch it often. Like, I'll probably take it through a touchless, whatever. There's a touch as gas station. Yeah, bottom the hill. Is that the show? Yeah. Okay. Perfect. Kim, can we hold you to both of these things? Yes. I mean, the whole point of this car is like,

no, I still will make sure. It's nice. I'm not going to like just completely trash it. But the point is that I want something that's just, it takes away that I don't have to spend mental energy on it. The M5 has taken enough of that out of me. And honestly, like, the other big concern, one of the things I've added to our document to talk about is I'm really concerned about E3-9 parts availability. Like Hella just announced they're not going to produce headlights for the car anymore, which is something that fails on a lot of those. Really? And I've replaced mine, but they have.

What do you mean they announced, does Hella put out of press? Well, they, they, they, they, Ryan and I were talking about. Are you going to buy extras? I should have. Ryan bought two sets of extras for his car. Why not buy extras as long as they come under the $2,000 cap? I can squeeze it in. Or squeeze it into 24.

I'll give you a buy on the headlights if you want to just like a mulligan. How much do the headlights cost? They're not as expensive as you think. I think it's like 800 for the pair, which is incredible because now modern cars, like one of your headlights is probably 1,800. You're going to find out here in a couple of weeks. No, no. Luckily my tailway was broken. That's only five-hard.

It's less complicated, but it's still L. 5,500, I looked. No, no, it's only 500. Oh, okay. Instead of 1,800 or 2000, though the front was. Didn't your panel get impacted, though? I'm going to PDR it. No, no, no.

I'm getting a quote tomorrow from a shop to, we've been gone for a week and a half, and it's been drivable. I'm concerned, but what will discover the cost to repair this will be. Also because... You're saying you think it's totaled. How many miles does it have? $1,000. 1-1-5.

What did he pay? 27. 7. 150. I'm not that, so the, on next week's podcast, I'll talk more about it

once have a quote, but the side corner was hit, the tail light, and then the bumper and the quarter panel. So it depends on how badly the panel above it

was injured because, well, injured. Could you PR that? I think so. I'm like 98% sure that it will be easily fixable. There's 2% chance that.

Can I ask you an honest question? Why don't you just buy a tail light? Get pDR the panel, buy a tail light, stick it in. Well, it all depends on what the shop says tomorrow. I mean, I know insurance is paying for, but me and Kenan could knock this out in a long weekend with a couple of cold ones. I will say it's a little. I haven't said it a while.

In hitting it, they also destroyed the blind spot sensor that's inside the bumper. And that, having had to replace one because it wore, that alone is about a grand. This is the problem. As much as I like your car, the benefit of the newer car is, I mean, you replace that because it wore. You done brake lines. How much was that? Well, that was cheap. Stuff's starting to get, starting to fail.

I mean, the car's got 120,000 miles. It lived in Maine. You know, everything is fine now. I've never had to do a single mechanical thing. Like, like engine mechanical thing. I love, well, that, that motor was stout. I do love that he took the picture here to emphasize the salt water. Hey, just so you know.

Just as a reminder. Yeah. Well, you know, maybe it should have been more of a clue than I gave it for a group. And memory shares when you had the brake on stuff, though, rust was an issue. Russ is an issue with these, which was not, when I bought the car, which was three and a half years ago, there wasn't that much talk about it in the forums. I did a bunch of research, but there was new enough that not that many had rust issues. Well, now they do.

Yeah, I mean, it's how cars age. It won't have any more, considerably more rice. And everything is fine. And the bodies don't seem to rest as much. No, it's just a breaklines. Which, by the way, E53X5 is the same issue. Because he had one of those. Yeah, I also have replaced a breakline.

Okay, next segment of our podcast is the market. We're going to talk about the car market. There's a market report. We call it the market report. The market report is brought to you by the Cars and Bids app. You can download the app on something. On the iOS App Store. Oh, yeah, yeah, right.

The iOS App Store. There's a lot of interesting market things to discuss that we've all written in here. I want two cars that are dropping like flies. Yeah. Like flies, Kenon. Flies when they're going to drop. Because sometimes they go up. Right.

Well, these are the dropping ones. One of them is NAS defenders. pull up the NAs Defenders that we just not sold. We just, and no sale this one at 35. This is actually a special one. In 94, you want to do it a little deep back on these? In 93, all the NANS defenders were four-door 110, so those have already fallen. In 94, they came back only with a two-door 90, and they were all convertibles.

In 95, they only made 500 hard tops. Really? So this is one of 500. It's a rare car. And I think they were all white. And they were the only way you could get a hard-top manual. because in 97 they came back with the hard enough they were all 10 but there was no 96 if you want because the man was so high this is no because they were still trying to get rid of these trash things if you want the enthusiast choice it's the coop manual defender okay this is that and by the way they're individually numbered out of 500 because it was only a 500 production what number is this we know sailed this I'm sure the plaque is in there somewhere yeah you got to look on the exterior the plaque it's on the black on a land rovers on the outside I know but I don't know where we've put it.

Anyway, the point is, we no-sailed this. I saw the, oh, wow. 34-750. 34-750. And that was surprised to me. Just looking at those pictures, it definitely did here. There's the plaque. It's number 355.

Kenny, you should have bought it. Just look at those pictures, it does have some corrosion. But these were easily $60, $80,000 cars that the manual coups were special. And they're not anymore. And that's the trend I've noticed all over. It's not just on the sides. No, it's all defenders. All NAS defenders.

What happened was the NAS were special because when they came out, they were the only ones you could get in the U.S. It was the only way you could get a defender when the defender first came out. Land Rover poured them, and there was a 25-year rule, so you'd wait 25 years to import other ones. And 25 years has come. And so now you can import 2,000 model-year defenders straight from Europe, no problem. And it is dramatically hurt the value of these cars. Now, the only way you can register one in California at a couple other states is if you get an NAS truck. But people don't seem to care.

I'll do the Montana, the Arizona, the other, whatever, South Dakota. And also, the imported trucks, people are now going to great lengths to make them cool. And so people are putting it LSV-8s, automatic transmissions, cool wheels, cool interiors, you know, heated and cooled seats, all this other stuff that really sets them apart from the NAS defenders, which people have really tried to keep mostly stock because they were special. They only made 7,000 defenders for the U.S. market, total. And things have changed. And this market is really, really, really starting to slow down. There's still demand for the 97s because that is big.

basically the only way you can get a factory defender with an automatic transmission. They didn't really sell automatics overseas. But there's not, but demand is slowing and NASDA offender market is coming down. It's so different than it once was. Yeah. When we started the site, we always hoped to have NAS defenders because they're desirable ones. And the imports had just started to trickle in. And they had a massive value difference between them.

These tapped 100, it tapped 100 grand pretty, pretty regularly for nice NAS defenders, even manual transmission ones, which are always worth less. And that has definitely fallen. Now you can get a nice one, 50, 60, and you can get a ratty one 30s, which is kind of where they were 20 years ago. Really not. I mean, I sold mine for 96,000. Mine was in great shape. I had done a lot of good stuff.

You've done a ton of it. This is also the most desirable version. A 97 convertible is the most desirable one. Yep. And it was titled in California. But the point is being made. These are starting to come down. They've come down math in last years.

Yeah. Imports matter. Imports matter. I think people also kind of recognize that they're not. They're not better. And the imports, people are. just there's all these shops that are putting good motors in. And so we always used to be able to say, well, we have a 50 state legal motor and it's a V8,

whereas the Euro ones were four cylinder diesels. Well, now V8s grow on trees on defenders. Anybody can get an LS swap defender. And this old three and a half liter Buick V8, which Rover reappropriated, made 180 horsepower, is nothing to write home about. I'm glad I got out of mine, honestly. I don't regret it. Can you search for defenders generally?

Because we have also, like, to that note, we've done really well with those. The Euro ones. We sold it. We had a crazy number on a, on a, on a, on a. that and 132 on the SUV right before it on the 130. That's right. This one brought 132 and it was a 6.2 liter. There are specific shops.

122 this one. Then we sold that. East Coast Defender is doing a bunch of them. But there's a lot of other shops. They're doing great like full restorations and. And honestly, the people who buy these, which truthfully is the Nantucket, the Hamptons, the, you know, that whole set. They'd rather have these. They've got more creature comforts.

This is who, this is what these people actually want their Land Rover to be, which is like big wheels and leather and all that. I was like being an NAS Defender guy because it was kind of a purest car. It was like more of like an enthusiast car, whereas these are more of kind of poser, you know, I want to be rich and cool trucks, but that's what the market is selected. The market would prefer these trucks. Also, the universe of off-roaders that are importable has increased a lot. So the defender certainly, but a lot of land cruisers. Yep.

That are nicer ones that we didn't get here. Honda Crossroads. Of course, important. Do you remember it? I do. It's the trooper. No. Honda Crossroad was the Land Rover Discovery.

That's right. Nobody's imported one ever. Not exist as part of that I can tell. I agree with you. That's another good point. And by the way, a lot of those are now being swapped into leather interiors. So old LFJ Land Cruisers and things like that. The market of those old trucks has changed.

And people don't necessarily want these original NAS Defenders when they can get cool stuff with V8s, whether it's defender or landcruiser or whatever. That has a similar like old school SUV look. Right. They get the vibe. but they don't have to deal with the stuff. And there was a lot of stuff. I mean, and I think that I do think that in the long run, I suspect the really nicely preserved NAS Defenders will always command it.

100.7s in particular. Always command a premium. Yeah. But it is kind of, if you love the defender, it is kind of nice to know that they've come down a little bit and you can get back into one. You can get one. In a 50 state one. Just like dry wood in first.

The other car that has dropped a lot. You both wrote this down. And I totally agree. Pull it up. The Tesla Roadster. Tesla Roadster. We R&M to Tesla Roadster the other day. R&M Reserve Not Metered one at 52, go back.

Which is a one owner 12,000 model. Because we had another one, R&M at 55. I reviewed that one down there, Orange, in 21 and made a big point. It set a record at the time. And I made a big point about how I can't understand why these cars sell for 50 grand because they're so special in the history of Tesla. Like they're the beginning of this company that has become globally massive. And so the first one's big, that one set a record. They all started coming up.

They started getting big money. Things have changed. Quickly. quickly. And by the way, it's not just on our say on, on, after looking, I've seen that result. I looked around a little bit, but there are a bunch of where the identical car sold for somewhere in the 80s a year and a half ago and now is in the 50s. I got to say. Big drops. You drove this one. I drove. Yeah. It was the, this was the development meal. Yeah. I got to say though, truthfully, I still think they deserve to be valuable. I agree with you. I don't think they deserve to have come down. I think that this car is still special. Tesla is a massive global brand and this was the beginning and it's cool. and I think it's a time thing. I mean, I think you can, I think if you bought one and held on to it for a really long time, you're probably right. But in the meantime, I don't know. It's hard to, it's hard to say.

I'm surprised. Why do you think that they've come down all of a sudden? I mean, I think interest in EVs in general has dropped. And I think that the really hot sales, if you look, were in 21 when the market was crazy. And in 21, the people who were spending crazy money on EVs were a lot of, like, cryptoE, like, people who now maybe are not in the position to spend that kind of money on. E's and may have bought that as a speculative purchase or as like a trophy and there are not as many EV trophy collectors in

2024. But I still think it's, I just really believe that this car is is destined for greatness. Yeah. I love the, it was fun the way it drove. I thought it was cool. Yeah. It was such a weird experience. But you know, you're right. As from a historical

perspective, I think it will be an important car to have in someone's collection. Yeah. But not mine. It's a value right now. Maybe not as a time to buy. Maybe now is the time to buy. I'm surprised by it, because this one with the battery update also did so well. You've got chargers now in your new garage.

I'm not getting a Tesla Roadster. But people should. People who want to be in the EV world should do it. Okay, next up, we got a lot of time for questions, questions, questions, questions.com. Remember, you can ask us, is that a website? You can ask us a probably. I think somebody else is domain questions.com. It seems likely.

Domains are passee now with Google. you can ask us questions too you go to the community tab go to cars and bids.com that's our website you go to the community tab and you there will be a thing there

that says this car pod ask your questions and we will answer the questions no matter how stupid I'm so sorry can I go back I know what was that how often do you see a COKGTR

never literally never wow especially next to a that's an old picture that's an old Florida plate that is no one that is a Nissan Quest the rest of the rest of the

on the road anymore. Wow. But wow. Imagine you were sitting at a stop. It's not in Florida though, right? Because doesn't Florida have those hurricane safe stoplights instead of putting them on a string? What a, maybe it didn't at the time. This was somebody had to move it from collection

to be picked up for something like that to go somewhere. What a crazy image. My God. Okay, questions, questions. Anyway, first question comes to us from Siva 1988. Why did you delete the rich parents video? This is a question for me. Short answer. I've got two answers to this. Short answer

is I don't do drama. At my life stage, my age, my situate, I just don't do drama. I don't want to participate in it. Anytime drama finds its way to me, I move the other direction. Long answer, because I thought about this a lot, and it's an interesting thing. Okay, so I did a video for those are, and I did a video a couple of weeks ago about this common criticism. People often say about par YouTubers, YouTubers in general, the only way you got successful

is because you have rich parents, which I think people who are jealous say that. In my case, it's not true. So I filmed the video, and I filmed the video weeks ago. I film all my Sunday videos like at once at the start of the month. And so I filmed it weeks ago I didn't really think about it. In fact, I forgot that it was even going live, which is how my Sunday videos always on. And I got a note that it was controversial, so I checked it out. And there was a lot of drama in the comments.

And a lot of it was misinformed drama. And I saw the top comment with hundreds and hundreds of up votes was, if your parents weren't rich, then what about all of those summers that you spent on Nantucket with them as a kid? I didn't My parents have never been to me in Tugget until this summer I went there as an adult But I think that kind of thing

starts to take root in comment sections There's misinformation And people get crazy And then they start battling with each other Which becomes another thing And so I deleted it Because at my life stage I don't want drama

I just don't care To involve myself in drama But I do want to make another point here which is this. There are two types of people who watch my videos primarily. 97% of the people who watch my videos have been served it on the algorithm or have seeked it out specifically

because they're in the market for a car. And they want to watch a car video about buttons. They want to see what the buttons do. They want to read the Miana owners' manual, which I just did and see what weird stuff is going on. And most of those people don't watch every video. You know, they come for the Valkyrie. They come for a car they're interested in buying like a minivan.

And then they skip, you know, and Amy Allen. Three percent, the remaining three percent of the viewers are the people who are like these always online kind of perpetually offended people. And this is like your Reddit community, your Discord community, the people like to discuss it. And I find it ironic in these situations because these are the people. They post the threads on Reddit and they're on Discord and they're like, we don't do YouTube drama. But like they actually thrive on it. They like love every time there's any YouTube.

Do you see that Rob Dom did this? You see Whovey did this, et cetera, et cetera. And it's just not for me. I just don't like do the YouTube drama thing. So people come to me and they're like, hey, did you see this Reddit? Did you see this thing on Discord? No. I didn't.

I won't. I'm not going to Google it. I don't care. I don't make my videos for those people. And I think it's an important point to mention. People think that a YouTuber's goal is to get as many views as possible. But actually my goal is and has always been to get as many views as possible from non-annoying people. I would be happy to surrender those.

3% of my audience, just give them up if it meant that I could. But I can't. You have to have those people, but I don't have to pay attention to them. That's very fair. So the 97% is who I make the videos for. And honestly, at this life stage, if something gets dramatic, I'm just out. And I don't care what people say about it. Because the thing is, the next video I posted was the Valkyrie, which was my biggest video of the year. People don't care. They just don't care. They just want to see car videos. And I just want to make car videos. And if anything happens, if there's weird stuff that goes down. I don't want to, I'm good. We don't get in fights with other YouTubers. We've tried. Remember that time I tried to start something? I do. Which time? I said, I tried to start

something with Freddie on the pod right here. I tried to. Oh yeah. But I got no problem with Fred. Well, I mean, he never texted you back anyway. So. Freddie, no, no, we were going to, we were going to say some stuff. Oh. But we didn't and we won't. Okay. Next question from Yoshi 3,000. Throughout the, that's the situation with that video. People have asked, a lot of people ask it was the top uploaded question. There's the response. And by the way, If anything dramatic ever happens again, I won't participate in that either. I just don't care. Yoshi 3,000, throughout the decades, there have been infamous, the various decades have been infamous for car combinations, like 60s, 70s American muscle, 80s European, supercars, 90s, Japanese sports cars.

What do you think define the 2000s, the 2010s, and the future 2020? That is a very interesting question. Because those decades were famous for those things. the 2000s, I think, gets defined by mid-engine. I'm pointing to the career GT, which isn't there. Mid-engine, like, from an enthusiast perspective, the last gasp of the mid-end, or not the mid-engine, the manual transmission, analog.

I hear that. The peak. Yeah. I consider it to be the peak. And all manufacturers were doing that. All manufacturers. Like, if you look at every manufacturer, BMW had a V-10-M-5, Audi had an RS4 here with a V-8 and a manual,

Dodge came out with SRT then. They had the charger, the Magnum, all that stuff. came out at that era. All right. The Audi R8 came out in that era. That's a great one. Everybody did it. The Kmen, the 3995 all kind of then.

M3 came out with a V8. Like this was, this was, I think the 2000s will go down. I've always said this, but I think the 2000s will go down as the 60s of our generation. I totally agree.

We've argued about exactly where you define it's starting because it doesn't quite. It doesn't quite line up with the decade. 2000 didn't have that much cool stuff. There are some cool stuff in 2000, but 10 did. But 10.

I mean, by 10, the auto's in the hybrid to come. Well, so I think the great inflection then is the dual clutch Because it became, although it came out In the mid-2000s, really 2010 Like, I think 4-5-8, like that was kind of where it started to Which was a, which Porsche

Portia essentially was the first to get it into real of driveable enthusiast cars in 09 The Veyron had it, but it was purpose-built and insane. Porsche had it in their lineup. Volkswagen had it. Volkswagen had it in the GTI and stuff But like, it's true, in terms of enthusiast sports cars, Porsche had it in 2009. BMW, when did they do DCT?

It was right around. The M3, the E9XM3 got DCT. But it wasn't initially, was it? Yes. In 08.8. Okay, so 8.09, those were the cars that first had it. That killed it all. That was the end.

That was the beginning of the... The dual clutch, which I think is one of the great automotive innovations in terms of driveability and enjoyment and it actually killed it all. Because once the dual clutch showed up, these automakers couldn't justify producing slower manuals. It was the last thing that held them back was the torque converter was slower. And so like a manual was still a faster option. And then the dual clutch showed up. And Porsche was like, why would we make manuals anymore? BMW was like, Ferrari, Lamborghini, they were just done. They were out. They were like, this is faster. It's one thing to develop.

We're done. And that was the end at the beginning of the end. That's a reasonable story for the 2010. So that's the 2010. I also think there's probably an argument to be made that. sporty SUVs it's kind of a 2010 launch pad That's an interesting one Well actually Expanding on that I would actually say the 2000s

Was the beginning of the SUV That's where it started the ship Yeah but like Kyan Turbo came out Kyan Turbo came out of 03 SRT8 came out no 5 But you're right X5 418

That like the big stuff All started coming in the 10s By the end of the tens We had a Lamborghini EURIS We had a Bentley We had a etc etc Maybe the tens is the ascendancy Where everybody did it

where everybody did it. And the 20s so far... EVs. I mean, I guess... Performance EVs. Yeah. That's an interesting question. I really think the 2000s,

I really think the 2000s go down as the... It was my favorite era, even though it's the one I grew up in. I mean, I feel lucky to have grown up in. The 80s are cool too, obviously, but like...

Nothing good came out of the 80s. Right. He makes this assertion that no good cars came out of the 1980s, and everybody's gonna say, well, what do you mean? He says there were two,

or three, we determined. I don't remember. It was the Kuntosh. No, no. the Kuchas is a 70s car. That's one of the buys. I feel it's a 70s guy. If you, if that's the thing about that that, that argument that I make, all the good 80s cars either came out like 89 or the

70s. Well, yeah, but first generation golf GTI Yeah. Didn't that come out in 70? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Didn't that come out in 78 or something? I don't know. Golf GTI, Mark 1, Gulf GtI made its debut in 1974, believe it or not. It's a 70s car.

70s car. Way older than I thought, really? It didn't be in 74. It wasn't for sale till the 80. Well, the 9-11 turbo. That came out in the 1970s. The 80s were a disaster. The 80s were disaster.

Well, I would say that I'm going to be a 40. You'll pay 88, 89. You have it. You take the late 80s. Well, it was made till 92, I guess, technically. Well, no, but it was an 80s car, but that's part of my point. Like, the 80s were so bad that they, that they co-opted 70s cars,

and it didn't get their stuff together until 88 when they finally started making the E30 M3s and things. Things like that. Well, I finally figured out fuel injection. And smog. Smog was the big killer they had to deal with, which that kind of factored into the early 1980s and really put people behind. That's why the Kuntosh was the fastest car in the world. It is why.

They put some metal plates on the block to make the displacement bigger. BS company that they were at the time. But I think it's a, I think if the majority of the car's life was in the 1980s, it's a 1980s, it's a 1980s car. The majority of the Kuntosh production was in the 1980s. It's a 1980s. are the F40. W-126, Mercedes, okay?

We have 500. C. Came out in 1979 and was sold through 1990. That's an 80s car, I think. That fits most of them built the 80s. Because the majority of its existence was in the 80s. It defined the 80s. Okay.

I disagree. I disagree only so that I can be smarty and make this point. Right. But I generally agree with your point, obviously. As any rational person would. That was kind of what was the 80s. I forget what the question was. I do find it interesting that the 80s are ascribed all these interesting cars that came out in the 70.

And when you say, okay, name a car that came out in the 80s that was great, the early to mid 80s that was great. There's no one. It was produced only in the 1980s. I'll take it if it goes through the 90s. Just something that started its life in the 80s. The C4 Corvette, nope. That ain't going to be it. That car, the funny thing about the C4 Corvette, it actually became a pretty good car in the 90s.

Okay, next question, next question. What about the first gen Taurus? My case is rested. My point is proven. Okay. Hammond, you idiot, asked this great question also. This is another great question. I feel like the first year of this pod was like the typical questions.

Like, what would you build for a zillion dollars? And now we're getting into like the real. Yep. Like when you're panning for gold and the sand goes through and you're left with gold ingots. We're in the depth of it now. So that's a very relatable reference, right? Incredibly. Thanks.

Hammond, you idiot. At what point does a limited production run lose its appeal to the car enthusiast? Either there are too many or too few. For example, a five-unit product. is so rare and already allocated to certain collectors we may never see them on the road or a 5,000 unit run where maybe it's not seen as rare enough. You know, this is an interesting question because I've never thought about a production run being too small that I actually don't care about the car. But that's true. There are many cars like that.

Like the Hennessy Venom we were just talking about. I think a lot of those cars are total BS when they make a 10 unit run. Like the Revinton is cool. But they made it for rich dudes to like brag. It's not a special car. It's a rich dude brag car. How many units? What's the cutoff?

I don't know. But enough that it's not a rich dude brag car. It's all with a rich dude brag car. Well, no, at a thousand units, though, it becomes not a rich dude brag car because you don't have to be like a special rich dude to get one. You know what I'm saying? It's not an allocation game. It's not an allocation game, but it's not one of those like, I have a great relationship with my dealer. And, you know, they put me on the list.

I'm on the list. I bought four whatever's from them and I'm on the list now. I got on the list. So you're also at the end of that point here, like a GT3Rs is two-loader production. It's too lame. Well, no, I mean, getting an allocation for that, it's hard. I would argue that the really special Porsche

fall into the too few, like the discussion then is about allocation and wealth and who gets one. And that's not cool. And then for the really, the too much cars, the discussion is about, well, they're too common.

You see them. There's actually a nice middle ground. 500, maybe is the number? Maybe. But there's probably more than 500911 STs, and those are. That's true. It depends on the manufacturer.

There are some, like McLaren that's made so many pretty BS special edition that they lose their meaning. There's some like Ferrari that just lie. Yeah. And then like, Porto doesn't do that. It doesn't play that game to the same. It has recently, but doesn't. That's an interesting question, too. Like, what production run is important to appeal and enthusiast and what lie, what fake production run is important to appeal?

That's probably more important. That's the Ferrari perspective. We've only built seven of these. There's eight of them sitting here. What number makes people feel special and we'll build a couple extra for our clients? It is an interesting point, though, because I think it's often discussed that a car with a production run too high. And a good example that's always given is the 4GT, the 054GT that I have. They built 4,000 of them.

The ZG8 is another example that's given. They built too many of them so that it's never going to be a truly special car. What may be true, but I think a really limited car, like the Vector W8 has such a sort of obscure or the venom, they built 1020. It's almost like not something you're thinking about a lot. Yeah. And any car that's so rare that the allocation becomes the story is just really. guy BS that nobody that's not this is noise like the new Kutosh for any car even that you've been out a thousand units maybe and the Shiroin I don't think is noise the new Kuntash is noise yeah it's

interesting that's a very interesting I'll I'm gonna have to think more about that right there's some interesting nuance there it is screw the low volume car so what's the number I don't know it depends on the car depends on the but I think it's 1270 I will say career GT is that right career GT F40 and Dayton were all producing the same number 12 1,300. Yep, 1,311, I think, for the F40. That's F40. QuereGT's 1270. Daytona's like right there, too. It's like $1,400. Huh. Interesting. That's the 1,500. Something to think about. La Ferrari probably was also produced in that number. Of course, they say only 800. Right. Anyway. Okay, here's another great question that I've been thinking about since it was asked by Big Ultima Hater 6, a common question asker. If you were given unlimited funds and complete access to everything, what would be the best car-related YouTube video that you could create? I'm going to alter it a little to YouTube channel. so like a series of videos

but I think the answer is that Whistland Diesel already does it so like pack up and go home do you agree? Okay I don't think I don't agree but he drove a Tesla on giant upside down yeah

it was great and I will say there's a Chinese channel that has started through this there are a lot of cars people can blow stuff up in China no that's not going to get there are a lot of cars that have never been

crash tested and I think they need to be Don't you want to know how the Kuntash would be in a crash test? Yeah. We know. But I want to see it in slow motion for many angles. Do you know that the first Kuntash prototype was crash tested and has lost to the world? Great.

I'm sure Lamborghini has done it. But like, that's what the original one that Gandini made and that made it stage. The orange one or whatever, gold, whatever. Well, it was yellow and they painted it green and they, you know. Yeah. Crash tested in the UK in period, lost to the world. Never to be seen again. Don't you want to see not, I mean, that 519C is a great one.

But like Adobe 16, crash into something. another car. Yeah. I just want to see all that. I agree with that. I do. You have BeamNG. No, but that's not actually realistic at the limit.

Isn't that like what it's a... No. You're going to sit here and say that beam... You're going to sit here and tell me that Beam G is not realistic? Yeah. All I do on Instagram. I'm really sorry, Doug. Is watch those cars crash.

It's not what would happen if you jumped a car off a bridge and then into a pole that then gets hit by a semi-truck. That's not exactly what would happen. Not only do I disagree with that, but I think... You're wrong. Fine. Then I want to see those. Like hammers? You ever seen the hammers?

Let's do it. Let's get a car out there. The answer to this question is, I'd get a hammers, and I'd smash some car. And then give a percent likelihood of survival. It would definitely be destructive, the channel. It'd be destructive. And also it would be like epic road trips that are insane. Like we'd drive a Varon through the Dary and Gap.

Like, I don't care what people would say. Yeah, road trip and we would just do crazy road trips. Like, yeah, we'd all choose like insane hypercar. and do dumb stuff. We'd actually take a Varon coast to coast. We'd actually... I'd just in Florida. That's what it would be.

And it'd be the best... It'd be like Top Gear, but on steroids, which is hard to imagine. But if you had unlimited funds, you could do that. And if I was Bill Gates, that's what I would do. Or Elon.

He's doing the government efficiency. Dude, drive a Veyron through the Dary End gap. You want my respect. I think that... One of the things that made the later seasons of Top Gear and then a lot of the Grand Tour

also a little bit less appealing to me, ultimately, though it was great content. still was that they had kind of unlimited budgets and could do whatever. I liked when they had slightly more restrictive budgets and still do cool stuff. I've watched the Veyron versus the plane video recently on my

way back on my flight back from Ohio for Christmas and it's so excellent. Yeah. It is excellent. I still remember when I was a kid and that came out and everybody was talking. It was like the biggest thing. I did that. I watched the Aston Martin Challenge too, the very first one. And it was like, yeah. But

it was to my point, like, yes they had a Varon, but they're also racing us. I wasn't like, you know, you could go crazy and, like, and Whistle does a great job, but I don't know that that's necessarily the answer. I think I would, I think would make it pretty good. I think it would be good, too. Okay. Last two, I'm going to do two more quick questions, two more quick questions, two more quick questions. Three, I'll do three more very quick questions.

Because they're very quick. Sneedlock, where do you think the bottom is for three-year-old EVs? I don't think there is one. Three-year-old EVs have a bottom. But I assume he's talking about because he says the key EVs is a lot. because he says the key EV6 and maki that are a few years old now or 25 how much more will they drop in the next three or four years Nissan Leafs are free I'm not exaggerating about free leaves are literally free yeah use leaf somehow costs money something about you a used leaf can't be more than a $3,000 car they're still be above five with a functioning battery

we're getting to golf cart levels here so the answer is oh I think they have how much more can they drop dude how much you got I think all of these have a floor and it's between five and 10 k a buddy might text me the day he said he got offered 25 off a new F-type. Doug, do you think this is a good deal because how much more value could it lose? A lot.

All of it. It can lose all the value and it will. You know the number is zero? I do think that any functioning card has a floor. And it's around a couple grand.

Yeah, five grand. But I don't think there's like a floor to these. So if you're thinking, because everybody's like, oh, these mockies are such good deals at 20. I bet that I can't lose much more. No, they will.

They are a great deals at 20, though. Both are true. Right. Yeah, I agree with that. They are still great deals, but they will still lose more. If you'd want a functioning car of the three years old,

which you do for a bunch of reasons. Yeah. That is a pretty good one. But don't think you're going into it that like you've found some infinite money glitch where you're never going to lose. You're going to lose.

It'll be worth 12. And then after that it'll be worth eight. And then it'll be worth... Because they're still overproducing them. Where's it, Doug? You're going to lose. Next question from Calver ORP. Doug, why did you stop reviewing houses?

Because of travel. Because of travel. Cars, I can get them here. Right? Because you know what the thing about cars is? The great thing. They got wheels. that's the good thing about cars

you can transport houses okay well you get into that business the answer is because of travel I got all these kids they're running around and uh and so the answer is the house reviews

I did review three houses or something they were amazing it was so much fun people loved them the videos were great they did well they were cool to do I love I love real estate and property maybe more than I love cars but

in seeing Diego there's only so many houses, you know, like types of houses. Like, oh, here's an Italian style house with a big property. Oh, here's a Spanish style house. Here's a new mansion. Right. In order to do it right, you got to go to a Swiss chalet,

then do an Aspen compound, then a Lake Como Villa, then you've got to find some weird thing in Brazil. I would do that. Yes, but the thing with homes, I don't think it, I think there are so many different variations of what people do with their houses that you could find almost an infinite. But to do it right.

like allegory in my car videos where I would review a Shirone and like the best of the best I don't think it has to be like that well then you do it by the light this is this is another thing this is another thing people ask me this take take my idea

I did it it was good it was successful if you if you want to do it it's yours there are so many house YouTubers I know but there's a lot of car YouTubers but like nobody like nobody did my video like I'm giving people the quirks and features of how it if somebody came to you and said here's this house

it's a mile from your house. It's really interesting. Would you do it? Yeah. I don't know if Sean would let me put that on the car. Yeah, I don't know. That's an interesting question. Where do we put that? Go gone houses. Okay. Last question. Last question. And this is a great one and I really want to answer it. It's from the Sultan of Brunei. Probably not the real Sultan. But maybe. Because I don't know. Hassanah Bollocki. I haven't asked him. Hey, Doug, the Stelvio quad seems to be a future enthusiast gem compared to the McCann Tergo on the X3 comp.

But you really recently said you thought the Julia quad would fall in price once production ends. There's not a question there, but I think he's implying that he doesn't feel that way. Yeah. No, no. You heard of the numbers? It's going to fall in price. You heard of the number zero?

Right. Here's, and he then says the stovie, the quadrifoglios are not appreciated in their day, low volume, have enthusiast appeal. What am I missing? What you're missing is, there is a general feeling that the brand is not high quality. They cars were not built in such low numbers, such sufficiently known numbers that they're going to be really desirable. It's like C4 Corvette guys. Yeah, there's not a lot of them, but there's not that few of them. And ultimately, like, the cars are kind of known to not be the best screwed together. And that has a real effect on the secondary market, a real effect. And you're sitting here saying, well, they're low volume and they have enthusiast appeal. Well, M3s are that. I mean, you know, Lexus GSFs are that. They still depreciate. They're going to continue to depreciate. You can get a normal. Normal ones are free. real cheap.

Normal ones are 10 to 15. That's so cool. And honestly, it's pretty cool car. The other element here is that there's nothing that's like that is era defining about a Julia Quadrature for you. There are a lot of other 500 horsepower automatic sedentium. Yeah.

You can get an ISF. Yeah. You can get an M3. When it came out, it was at a hundred more horsepower on the MPA. It was a very strong car. But quickly, quickly that changed. But quickly they added the competition package and, you know, BNW got their stuff together. And Alfa Romeo then.

And now has exceeded them, which is kind of the story of Alfa Romeo, right? Like BMW has done this and then they did this and then they, because BMW is like constantly refining because they have huge budgets. Alpha just kind of sat on this car, right? And I just don't think, I think it's cool as hell. When I see a quad, which is very rare, I am always like, damn, this is a cool car.

But I don't think it's ever going to be like a car that climbs in value. It was a mid-sized sports today. And there's a lot of options in this segment. And I don't think it's special just because it happened to have an alpha-Romeo badge on it. That said, they are working. worth more than an F80 M5? Yeah, so is an ISF. I mean, I think they seem to be holding their value pretty well.

Yeah, but they're not appreciating it. But I don't think we're going to sit here and say, like, once production ends, prices are going to go up because you can't get them anymore. I don't think it's that simple. Production. Who cares. I don't think they will actually go to zero. No, I agree.

I don't think they will be worth zero. Regular ones. When I see a used regular one, I already am like, that's kind of a sketchy car. Like, I'm already noticing the type of people who buy them are, let's say they're coming out of G37s. We're going to have takeovers with Alpero Mertes. The G37s got smashed and takeover. No, because this is not powerful enough for something.

The four, yeah, the base car is not powerful enough. People start modding it. Look at that. Verde Visconti metallic. Say it one more time. No, no, the other one. Yeah, but I would have clicked on that one too. He just wanted to say the Italian word.

I did. One more time for us, Felipe. No. Verdi Visconti, or is he'd say, Verdi Visconti. I said it poorly. Verdi Misconti. Bonjour.

Don't. don't. Okay, that's the end of our pod. Can I have that car? That's a nice looking car. That is nice looking on every level. Those wheels look great.

They do. This is a cool. What are this? This is a cool. This is a 21. What is a great looking car? Does this have car play? Filippa.

So maybe? They didn't make another one of these, though, is the problem. There's only one in this color. And it has highway assist. Adaptive cruises stop. Of course, you can't have it service here. There's no Alphramar dealer in San Diego.

There's so K&S. There's what? What? The KNS is a dealer. Yeah, that's true. Okay, anyway There's no Maserati shop, though That's our podcast

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