THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Bugatti Veyron vs Carrera GT, The Montana Loophole, Car Innovation We Didn't Need!

Episode Date: May 17, 2024

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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippa. And today we're going to talk about cars. And trucks. Now, I'm on vacation right now, and so we don't have any news to report because this has been pre-recorded. So instead, we're just going to talk about cars.

Great. Are you ready? Yes. Let's do it. Okay. We begin our car conversation. I want to discuss the Montana thing. Oh, wow.

So the Montana LLC registration thing. Yeah. And avoid talking. You just, let's just get it out there. Starting off with a banger. Two big benefits. Okay. Avoid sales tax.

Yeah. And avoid inspections, which states that do safety inspections or smog inspections. Yeah. So it could matter. For those who are unfamiliar, if you want to, you can register a car to your business in Montana. You can start an LLC, register your car there. A lot of people use this to get around taxes or emissions things. Or both.

Yeah. As a person who is registered now, seven-ish cars to Montana LLCs, It's very easy. You don't need like a business. No, there's like a business. The business just owns a car. The wildest business names, by the way.

Yeah. Like the businesses that do this for you seem so illegitimate. Well, also just whenever you look at wild cars, like the list of, I think there's somewhere that publishes every year what cars are registered in Montana. Yeah, it's crazy. Shear-on, like F-50. It's unbelievable. And so everyone in the high-end exotic car world does this.

I personally disavowed. Oh, more of it. more or less. I currently have one car registered in Montana. But the title has just arrived and I am going to go and register it personally to myself here in a couple of weeks, which I challenge all of my fellow Montanans to do. I have done that with all my other cars. I register them personally. Just like to flow them through the state of Montana. There is a significant benefit to starting in Montana, especially for imported cars, which is what I have done. Because Montana has a great process for that stuff because they do it all the time for other weirdos. And so I,

I do it with my imported cars, the kuntash I imported from Canada. And it's a little bit sketchy to get an imported car, take your title, all your documents to the DMV. And if they say no, they've got your, like, it's worrisome. But the Montana, DMA, I know I can get a title. So I start with Montana and then I take it to my state and get it easy enough. And I don't tax evade. I've paid all the taxes, et cetera, et cetera. Other people have different opinions about this.

Kenan? Well, yeah, I can see why people do it. Immediately when I see it on an exotic car, particularly. in Southern California. I'm like, you can't afford the car. You're dodging taxes. Now, some of us registered our exotic cars in the state of California. I had a California tag paid the sales tax. It was made fun of it for being

an idiot, but I did it so that I could have my plate. I didn't make fun of you. I just thought it was insane. Well, it made fun of me when I went to then sell it. And you're like... We sold it three months later. It would have been nice not to have paid the nine grand in sales tax after owning the car from 90 days. Yeah, but I made more than, more than more than I bought the car for, and I got very

lucky. I think that this Montana thing is just the biggest load of BS. And I think that people, am I wrong? You think, so you think it's a loophole that should be closed, is what you're saying? Well, it is closed. Like, Montana allows it, and other states do too, but your state, whatever your state is already doesn't allow it. Well, yeah.

They just don't enforce it to the level that they ought to. And some states have pursued that. Georgia really cracked down on that pretty hard and went actually active, went after people under the, the heading of tax evasion. Massachusetts went crazy on it a few years ago. Colorado sent a guy to jail. Yeah. For doing it for an RV.

Yeah. Wow. I mean, which I mean, that sucks. That's tough. I just like, those people buy those RVs. It's like $500,000. They like retire and spend all their money on this RV, sell their house. And like that's their thing.

And then it's like a half million bucks. They got to pay like 40 in sales sticks. I don't want to do that. And so they instead go to jail. For some people, I can see the moral argument that on an older car, use car sales taxes are even paid. When it was new, it's been paid. This is a democracy.

But that's a subject. If you feel that way, then you should move to Montana. No, you should write to your state legislator and try to convince them that sales tax shouldn't be paid on a used good. Or... Like, if you really feel that way, it's not your responsibility. Like, I... Personally, I think we should be allowed to murder people. So I'm going to

start murdering people. You heard it here first, so y'all. I'm going to start with... Look at well, I'm very afraid. Is there anything worse, though, than seeing like a new Tycon registered Montana? Like, where it's just so clearly just tax evasion. There's a dude in my neighborhood who's got a range rover, like a 15. I'm thinking of the same car.

And it's like, dude, you saved like three grand. Like, you're a pathetic person. You can't spend well I don't give the government my yeah but like come on like this is just sad sad behavior. When I see a Shirin I feel a little differently

I also do get it for a hundred thousand dollars I feel better about the people who do it for emissions for emissions because California is annoying it's particularly annoying and that it cares about cleaner it's not just that though because my RS2 would have passed emissions here but California doesn't allow a tailpipe test

that's not enough you also have to get the car like carb certified and then it can pass the same tailpipe test that your car does and it would have and so uh for that car i briefly did have it registered in montana now the there is a process to get a car california certified and my mercedes has been that through that and it's incredibly difficult and they make it a ton of time they make it yeah 10 grand to us to want to have a carve out for enthusiasts who drive a short number of miles because ultimately those people are driving here in california anyway they're just doing it on arizona plates at their nephews farm or whatever i don't know what people do right

I also, the carb is even odd, or isn't it true? Like, if you carb or car in California, you register it, and then you sell to somebody out of California, they register it in their state, and then the carousel's back into California, you have to go through carb again. Gotta go through it again. That's nuts.

And it's like 10 grand usually in like... It's like 12 grand in like... Like nine months, right? Yeah, that's a process. Part of that process is the general federalization, but yeah, carb on top of that is... It's like 12 grand for the G-Wagon or something like that. And it's mostly paperwork.

There's not a lot of physical anything that goes into it. The G-Wagon, remember, was sold in the U.S. with the very same engine. Completely legal. So that's stupid. But for the tax thing, and then there are people who are like, well, it's technically your business, so it's totally legal. And it's like, we all understand what's going on here. And to me, it's more that when I see the person with Montana plates, I just

think that person cannot afford that car. You see it on a 360 or Aston Martin Rapide or a continental GT. We had an F430 here that was in for review. And I had to drive it to the Ferrari because it needed something with the top and I had Montana tags on it and I was like I felt really cool to be driving for them like I know I saw myself like this guy's such a pose. Yeah exactly. Oh and it's it's it's one thing on an F40 it's one thing you almost can't not on a 360 where the I mean I'll respect for it is agree You have the money for a shiro in our F40. You can pay sales tax. It seems like a lot Seems like a cost of ownership here. I agree having done it the the the the funny one though is a 360 that's 60 grand Yeah. Those people save $4,000.

I'm sure some is because they have like an aftermarket exhaust or something like that. That's part of it. But definitely a lot of it is they, and now when I had my 360 years ago, I did it. And you wonder why? It's because I couldn't afford the car. I was a little boy and I did not have enough money to even buy the car, let alone title it. Right. And that's why I did it.

And so that's what other people are doing. I do love the flip case of seeing a car that's actually from Montana, which it does happen sometimes. Yeah. And I just appreciate it so much more. that that board focus yeah they're from montana it is a big flex also to run actual like my four gt's always been titled in california i paid win in i paid the sales tax flex is a strong you show up in a car's and coffee you're like yep i see i see an f50 with the california tag and it's like that is a flex dang because even like when that car was new or even a couple years old or whatever

still a really expensive car paid a lot of sales tax yeah that's cool f50 very rare because it all would have to be a u.s car yeah and that's the thing of about those Ferraris too like yep this is you can't register any of those things in California even if you wanted to California does make it very difficult that's also why defender NAS defenders are worth so much because it's the only register yeah for small but so that's just that's Montana I'm I just want to go on the record is disavowing Montana even though I currently have a car registered in Montana got a facet anything to admit just publicly it's interesting I'm gonna pay I'm in a

register I have no I took forever ever to get the title. It only just came, and now that it's here, I'm going to do it. And I think that everybody should do it. And I think that it's not correct that they don't. You disagree? That's not correct that they don't. What? That they don't register their cars locally in their own state. No, no. People should. I've always registered my car and the state whatever. Yeah. I've always done that.

Well, what? Yeah, in the state where they live. What's the problem? You're calling me out because I have a Massachusetts. Well, I live there. What do you want me to do? Yeah, right. I told the CHP, I'll get a driver's license and messages. What are you going to do? What are I supposed to do? The world is not set up for people who live in multiple places. So I don't know what the solution goes. Well, boo-hoo for you. Right. So difficult.

You know, you say that, but like, the letter of the law, there's no, I can't complete, it's illegal to comply. It is not possible. But regardless, I have those cars registered to my home where I live. Can we talk about a different cheap person topic? Yeah. All right. I have a cheap person. Yeah.

I register my cars in California. Right. Because my cars are all worth 10 grand. Right. So the sales tax implication, minimal. And I don't modify my cars. I'm like Kennan, so I'm good. My cars are all California.

illegal so yep thanks to a chip in a tune but anyway that would happen um but i am considering for the first time of my life spending actual money on a vehicle right we we mentioned this i think on a prior podcast just kind of thinking about what would i buy how do i convince myself to actually do this like from an sheer economic perspective it doesn't make any sense years of therapy you don't you don't yeah it's therapy it's therapy and i just don't i just should just give up on the thought of owning a better car no no you should just do it but like why because like life Was my added benefit be worth that amount? That's what you have to decide.

Me and Kennan have decided that. Right. You decided a couple million dollars with the benefit. That's right. I have decided that. And Kenon has decided for himself. And you have decided for yourself that you would rather look at your bank. Does it give you as much pleasure looking at your bank account as it would to have a...

I got a pretty good interest rate. Mark is doing well. Well, then there you go. Maybe that's your answer. Some people, I think that is the case. They would rather drive a Toyota Camry and like, then like, be financially independent. But what'd you have to, again, you're focusing purely on just the initial amount you have to spend on the car. That is true.

If you're really focused, if you shift your focus more to cost of ownership, like if you're to buy this Corvette, drive it, sell it. I'm considering a C7 Corvette. I think the C7 Corvette is one of the best cars in the world, decided. Best cars in the world. I'm always exaggerating. I'm obviously exaggerate. I think it's a great car. I've decided.

I think it's a great car for 40 grand, truly. Handles a lot of my needs. No, I agree. I agree. But it's 40 grand. That's four times the price of my barth But you're probably not going to lose But you're not going to lose

But I'll lose more Yeah well yeah that's I wouldn't buy that car If your main goal is not to Lose money But I was inevitably you'll lose more Taxes will be more Insurance will probably be more

And even if I lose it a little bit Even if it doesn't depreciate It's still going to cost me A little bit more than There is always whenever I buy a car And I've continued ratcheting up on what I've spent There is always a period of buyer's remorse Yeah, for spending the money because I could have had the money.

There is always without exception. Interesting. I have never had a car where I just instantly felt the Kuntash actually, maybe the lone exception in my entire life, where I've just instantly felt like, yes, that was the right decision. Always, it's like that was too much. I shouldn't have done it. This is a mistake. It doesn't drive well enough to justify this. It's not using enough to justify this.

Always. The first, with the yellow defender, it was like that for four months. I think you said seven years. Okay. but that is there was always that period because once you jump into the pool you're wet and it's like oh and then you think it goes away for me it did for you i'm not sure that's why you need to figure this out right but maybe you could buy the car and take the leap also 40 grand isn't what it once was yeah that's and that like a 40,000 dollar car used to seem

so expensive and now it's just right the average price of a new car actually less than a lot of cars Yeah, it is less than the average price of a new car. Although that's not saying a lot. New cars are very expensive now, just generally. They have a lot of stuff in them. You ever get in a new car? Rarely. It's got giant screens.

It's got screens, cameras. I don't know how they work. It was putting to you. The Lotus yesterday that had LIDAR. So a lot of people actually ask me this question. How do you justify it to yourself? I think you've got to just accept that it's not a rational financial purchase. Right.

It's like a per person for joy. Yeah. I don't do that either. The way you justify it is you have to decide that at some point you have to live. Oh. And so the question is, I want an F40, but I have decided

that I like, it would make me live less because it's an... But I have justified these cars, right? And you need to find that equilibrium for you. Sure. And right now it's an $8,000 fee out of 500. $10,000.

Give me some credit here. The eight one itself with the paint looking like that. I do what I can. All right. All right. helpful advice. That's how I think you have to do it. Got to no conclusion here. No, there's no conclusion.

No, the conclusion is you have to do yourself. It's a personal issue that you need to resolve yourself. I think that I'm not outside of you all and everybody I work with and a lot of my friends. I'm not around car people. My wife is not a car person. Nobody in my family is a car person. I advise to one of my closest friends that they buy a Corolla hybrid the other day. You know how you like it over?

That's where they are. And like they're like, I helped them build a spreadsheet to figure out which car is like the most cost effective for them. So spending more. Just to have a different car Here's the thing. I think it might help him Is if he ends up getting a really good deal on it You'd feel so good about the deal

That would get him into the pool Early C7C4th That's so true So that's what you need to do Find a deal If anybody wants to get me a deal In the early C7 Corvette You love hunting

I spent some time this week I'm looking Yeah Yeah Just wait No Patience Nah that's a good deal I do think that being

In the world of car people Like I didn't have any interest in a 4G. I've always liked the 4GT. I didn't have any interest in until I came to California. And then so many people I met of exotic sports courts. And I was like, wow, I got to, this is cool. And it kind of like talked me into it. And I think that not being around those people.

Like, not a single one of my wife's friends has any concept of what the career DGT costs. Not literally no concept. Like if they knew that literally zero concept. And I think that it's, you know, that's, if you're living in that world, it's a little bit hard to be like, yeah, I got a Corvette too. I mean, especially for a Corvette. There is some stigma there.

Yep. My hairdresser today got a haircut. Looks nice. Thank you. Told me that he was thinking about if he was going to get a sports car, he'd get a Corvette. I said there's some stigma. He said, really? What is it?

So I don't know that everybody knows that. I think that's like car people know that kind of thing. Maybe. I think regular people want a Corvette. Right. It's cool. Yeah. American.

Right. Okay. That is Philippo's thought of day. His existential crisis of the week. There have been several. Pondering it for the next month or two. Yeah. You'll be pondering until the next podcast.

Yep. When we'll talk about something, some other existence. Okay. Kenan, you have a topic for us today. Yes, outside of Filippo's therapy for his car-related pains. I had a thought the other day. Now, Amelia, I drive a car from 2002. Right.

And so, you know, it's not exactly modern. But I was thinking about things that have been innovative, automotive innovations that did not need to be innovated. Right. One of the great ones, and we talked about this because of the courage he has it, is the digital, the lack of a dipstick, the digital oil level readout. Now, can you explain exactly the issue that you encounter with this? The CRRGT has a digital oil level read. It does not have a dipstick. You can't manually.

There's no physical dustic. There's a lot of enthusiasm. From 05 especially. So the digital age, the Germans wanted to enter. So the result is that you can't measure the fuel very easily or the oil very easily. And so the other day I was driving it, we were going to go on a long mountain drive. And the other day I was driving it and the low oil light came on. But I measured it digitally and it was indeed low.

So I got it and got gas with the car measured it right after I got gas Seven minutes later car's still warm measures right in the center Which so it's just like I have no idea how much oil is in the car I just have to trust that the shop that just serviced it serviced it well which I do By the way we did the drive we did because I was not too worried about it since it's all over the place all the time We did the whole drive 100 miles 120 miles maybe all the way up there drove hard had a lot of fun had a good time It was cold it was wet it was fun That was great came all the way home I dropped off Canon literally as I'm pulling in

in my garage, oil level low. So maybe it is. But the car doesn't leak. Like it's BX. It's faulty. It's faulty. And that is an innovation that didn't need. E6DM5, same thing. You have to go through this ridiculous procedure to check it. Isn't every new, you were being made to that?

Yeah. And then it became like after that. 06 like kind of is when that started. And so you ran into this on a Porsche Tycon, I think. Or Panamara that you read it. Yeah. And it's like, what was wrong with the diff stick? Right.

It's reliable. every single time. I actually think that the digital one would be better because you don't have to get your hands or you don't have if it was relaxed. If it were allowed, but it's not. Right. Or have a redundancy. That would be nice. A redundancy makes sense.

A lot of people don't know how to check it. Here's the problem I have with redundancies. If you have that, why not just have the original? Like electronic door openers are a great example. It's like, oh, yeah, this really cool way to open the car. And that's like, yeah, but you got a bowed and cable. I don't get that. That one's really weird. There's another great example.

It's on the similar vein, the Ferrari F430, a good example. like to open the frunk, you have to press a button. And it's like, oh, how cool, we got to press a button. Then you turn the car off, button doesn't work anymore. Right. So what do you have to do? Well, they put a Bodeon cable. No, yeah, all...

They put a Bodeon cable, so you just pull that. And you end up doing that because, guess what, it's faster. And it works with the car is on or off. It doesn't matter. Right. It's just another thing. Like, these are just annoyances. It's like...

The best example is the DMW turn signals that wouldn't cancel. Right. Which now BMW has disavowed, but, you know, the Subaru BRZ and the Saiont 86, Toyota, Toyota, 86, AE86, GR 86 uses that to this day. Really? Really? Yeah. Why? Because it's trash and they do. I don't know. I eventually do get used to, but man, it's just like, why?

Why mess with it? Why mess with the turn circles worked for a hundred years? Totally. I am not one of these people who just let, I generally love automotive innovation more than almost all of my viewers and you guys. But like, I agree. Some of this stuff. Well, I'm for it when it like actively makes the experience better or more efficient or faster, whatever. But when it's the turn signal? Right. Just make, just like, just like,

Let our lives be easy and don't screw with it. Exactly. Just sometimes, like, the, things are a way they are because that was the best solution that was developed, and it works. Right. Just another good example, by the way, is in the mid-2000s cars, including the Ford GT, that they had a starter button because that was cool. But they hadn't developed the technology proximity keys yet. And so you had to get the Aston is like that. The S-2000 was like, the VIPER.

The VIPER is like that, yeah. Full keyless go where you can just get a key in the key in the pocket or even without a key, like just on your phone, get in the car, start-it run. makes a lot of sense. But it was that transitional period in between. It's like, what were they thinking? Where a button was cool. And so they did it. And it was like, this is ridiculous.

The Ferrari is a good example. You can't turn the car off then by pressing the button. You have to turn the key to turn it off. The button really only has a gimmicky function. Yeah. It was cool, though. At least that was cool. Some of the stuff you're talking about like the checking the oil is not even cool.

That's just annoying. And it's act. Yeah. When you can't rely on something about something is important. Yeah, no, that's in a high performance car, especially a million dollar one. That's right. When I first had. the car and it first came on, which was like

three weeks after I had got it back from a shop. And so I was like terrified. Is it leaking? Did they not fill it right? I took it to the dealer and they did the whole process measured it, added oil, all that. And I thought, oh, well, I'll just buy oil and keep it in the car. I'm not, no, I'm going to take it in for its annual service every year. Trust that they fill it right. And then that'll be life. And when the thing comes on, the thing comes on. You should consider

now that it's come on multiple times. And you're a million-dollar plus-car. But the problem is, it came on and then it measured perfectly. And then it came, it came. Like, it's totally random. It doesn't work. It's the same with my tire pressure monitor doesn't work right now, too. That's easier because I can manually measure that.

Yeah, those fail, though, in all cars after that. And it comes on, the warning light comes on when it's running, right? It's a dry-asump engine, so you have to check the oil level while the engine's running. Yeah, it comes on when it's running, although you make a good point, and it has come on when it just started the car, which doesn't even make sense. Like, that's a brother problem. It's not functioning properly. This is not unique to my car.

This is common to all of these vehicles that have electronic. You know that a TPMS thing that was related to, wasn't it like the, like, tire pressure is impossible high. I don't mind the TPMS is failing, though. That's a really good thing to have TPMS. Because I'm not changing the pressures often. It saved me once. And you can still have the redundancy of doing it yourself.

Do you want to tell the people about that time in a car you don't have TPMS on? Yeah, the 4GT. Do you know this story? Ford G2? Oh, yeah. I drove around for like two weeks on a flat tire. Yeah, yeah. I only discovered that it was a problem because it's scrape going into my driveway.

And apparently it's that much. And it is like a very hard sidewall. That's the thing. These performance car tires now have such hard, like, defined sidewall that you don't really tell. You don't even need to put air on them. Yeah.

Airless tires guys. The future is today. I actually had a car with no traction control. I wait. Before we move on, I love that every top one of you mentioned is from 05. Well, that's kind of when they came into.

It is interesting that they're all, we talk a lot about like gear selectors being needlessly complicated now. I don't agree that. I don't either. Like all the ones that we're talking about, I think are the worst and they're from that era. Yeah, that era was tough

because automakers were desperately trying to add new technology that wasn't ready or that they thought they could make cool or whatever. I don't care about, I mean, the Lincoln one that had a lawsuit. That one wasn't great for the shifter. People don't understand what people don't understand about gear selectors specifically. This is a big pet peeve of mine. The reason automakers are going to these gear selectors that like twist or that are buttons or that have a weird thing is because electronic gear selectors allows for the immense safety component of when you open the door, the car can automatically shift into park. And people don't realize, people like, I would. never put my car and drive and open the door. It's like, go on YouTube. There are hundreds of videos of people

who would say the same thing, and then their car goes off a hillside because they forgot to put it in park. And so having that ability is really... And it frees up so much space. It frees up space, but that's the primary reason why automakers have gotten rid of the old things, because they now have an electronic thing,

and they can have that safety net, which I like. I want to discuss the career GT. Oh, speaking of. Yes. We drove it. We both shared a almost religious experience in that car. So good.

It was so good. What do you want to talk about with courage? I just wanted to know what I give my thoughts as a non-owner. So I have appreciated the career GT from a distance forever. Someone in my hometown bought one brand new. I remember seeing it for the first time. It's like seeing a spaceship because it was just like, wow, it's a career GT. But I've never lusted after it.

I've always appreciated it, but never lusted after it. And I never really got to experience it at full chat. Like I've driven them a little bit. but not really like experiencing experiencing it. And the things I walked away with is, one, putting the top on makes a tremendous difference, not just because of the cold, because we were freezing with the top down,

put the top on, and then we realized like, man, you just hear the engine so much better. You hear that wonderful induction. Yeah, you hear it better with the top on. That's like a generally agree thing about the truck.

There's not wind noise. Yeah. And yeah, and with, from, the career GT is normally thought I was being one of the best sounding cars ever. But it's really from behind it generally.

Because you get that crazy whale. But with the top on, amazing. I left it on. It's really good. It's like the experience is so different because I've written in it with you with it down. The problem really is getting in and out. It's hard, much harder.

It's just harder. Eventually I'll take it off for that reason primarily. The chassis dynamics were unbelievable, how like stable it felt. Like, you know, it has a reputation for being snappy and kind of difficult and scary. But man, it just felt planted everywhere you through it. And I think the suspension upgrades really did that. But it was just like, we would hit a bump and it didn't. upset the ride. It didn't upset it.

The car just went, boom, and just, like, kept going. And it was just like... It was... So stable at speed. It's... It handles so well. The transmission that warmed up, you know, once the interior warmed up. Yeah, he has this stupid and completely unfounded, almost, almost like boomer, like, just like, misguided belief that we had the top on, so it got warmer on the interior.

I've only ever driven the car on. Put the top on. Put the top on. We also had the heat on and the heated seats on. me, it was hot in the cabin, right? Hot. Like, the hottest I've ever been inside there. Like, when he says it's like 80 degrees. It was hot. That's warm.

Yeah. Why? I don't know. Because we had left the heat on from when it was off and from when the roof was off. We just should put it. But the shifter just felt like so good. Like the best it has ever felt. And I think that it's because there was so much warmth in the cabin.

It really freed things out. I'm not getting things. That's the stupidest thing. That's one of the dumbest things I've ever. It has absolutely no bearing. It's up there for sure. A, all the vents, none of the vents, point. anywhere near the shift.

I'll point out the people on the car. I agree with that. But the entire interior was warm. Well, it warmed all of the... It's a cable... If it's in a tunnel... No.

The tunnel is... Yeah, but the tunnel is susceptible to temperature. You're not given a good reason why you think this is stupid. I think this is right. It was nowhere near... It was no. The reason it felt better

is because you're actually driving the car and getting a lot of temperature in the gearbox. It makes the gearbox oil get out the temperature. And it lost the shift more smoothly. That's what happens when you drive, drive a car and actually get it. I think it's because you just put

around in town generally and you drive up occasionally and you go up to $4,500. I mean, I drive the car pretty pretty yeah, but not hard. I think you there's because like what you're talking about is like you're largely just cruising going to Palm Springs and Back you weren't necessarily like I did peak to palms or pine to peens or pine to palms

yeah nobody knows yeah but even that's that's Palm is actually what it's called. It's relatively short road admittedly that's like it's not that far I think this time you... That whole drive is a form. I think you drove this car enough this time and then drove it hard enough

where everything got to the temperature in which it's designed. And presumably a lot of shifts and it stayed there. I think it's because I had the heated seats on high... I think you should try this. They were great, by the way. The heated seats. Wow.

Jimmy. I will say the courage UT is still not a car. I lost theft. Like, I don't... If I had the money, I don't... If you had $1.3 million to buy one. I'd rather buy it. For me right now, I'd rather buy like five other cars.

But... What if you already had a congestion in it? Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Right. In your situation. Would you rather have a Veyron or a Carrera GT? That's a really difficult one. You could, they're the same cost. I saw a Veyron sell the other day, really nice one for about what I paid for the career GT.

That's really difficult because the Curry GT is more the kind of car I like. It's a manual analog with a crazy engine. That is very difficult. The VARON might be cooler. Well, the Veyron is more iconic, period. I think. It's one of the most iconic cars of all time. The CurrGyT is one of the most iconic cars to car enthusiasts, whereas the Veyron-I

I guess the question is, do you want to flex on the general public or do you want to have a great driving experience? You can ponder that while he pondered how to justify a car purchase. That's true, but then again, I can just dispense of you and you're gone and I won't ever see. You won't catch me. And I wouldn't care. And you want to know why? Because I'd be sitting in my warm interior shifting those nice, that's the thing. Goody cable in a Formula one engine.

No, all right. We're not going to go down that road. Okay. Now it's time for our next topic, which is the car market. Kenan, you have an interesting topic for us. Yes, we sold a car interesting, or recently on Cars and Bids I found it would be really interesting. So it's a 93 accurate NSX, you know, manual, kind of what you'd expect. The big thing, though, 234,000 miles.

Pretty outrageous figure. Like, you don't see these... These cars don't come up with miles very often. We've sold a number of NSX. I mean, all of cars is this type. But nonetheless, the seller sold at no reserve. It had a recent engine rebuild, and the car sold, and it's a manual one, not an auto, and it sold for $60,450, which feels like a lot for a 234,000 mile NSX, but I also think, like, it's probably ready to do another. This is kind of your situation with your M5.

Yeah, high mileage. 230,000, whatever you're at in your car. Well, maintained. Your hope is similar to, I think, their hope, which was with great maintenance. I'm never going to sell mine, but, yeah. With great maintenance, there is some retained value. Yes, I think. I'm trying that with the 355 too.

My 355 was high mileage. I did a ton of maintenance on it and that I think carried it a lot and I think that's the exact same situation here. These pictures were taken in Cheesman Park in Denver. Congratulations for knowing that. Pretty easy to figure out given it's right there, but yeah. I didn't see that. And the Colorado plate.

There's one interesting thing about the NSX. They've never gotten crazy expensive but there is a floor. The NSX operates in like this weird world. If there was a $2.303. If there was a 234,000-mile Ferrari 348, it would not have sold for $60,000. I'm going to put a select manual. I said, I hit him with that again when he's paying attention because I think he'll agree. We sold a cheap one in July of 2020, so that was pre-market.

Well, and this one's probably the most related because this one had a ton of miles. I said it's manual. So this one had 207,000 miles on a very similar situation, one owner largely, also an early NSX and a coop as well. 525. So like, there's definitely a floor for that. The recollection was that that was well maintained, but didn't have the same litany of recent services that the one last week's had. This one was a tip. The 48 one was a tip.

Nah, it was a manual. No, that one was a manual. That's what I said it. I set them all. Why didn't we write manual? Unmodified manual NSX. This was very early days in cars. It was the early day.

This was a month after we launched. Yeah. Stuff has changed. Before we would have accepted that as a lead image. I mean, I'll go back and fix that honestly. I still remember this guy. He took the car. I mean, it was one of the first, like, high dollar cars.

We had, and he took the car and he put it, parking lot with trash bins in the back. Oh, and most of the pictures were taken indoors. I forgot about that. Anyway, NSXs do have an interesting floor because they're reliable. I think a reliable sports car will always be worth X amount of money, whereas a Ferrari at this level would definitely be like a car that people would be really afraid of. What would have been in 1990? 38 would have been the Ferrari.

What do you think of 200,000 mile 348,000? Not 60 for sure. Didn't Tyler Hoover saw him? his 3408. No way he had that many money. His 348 was very high mileage. You won't add Ferrari. Yeah. Interesting.

What's high? There it is. Yep. So his car was crazy. It was 101,000 101,000 miles. GMU car, which sold for only 46. And that was only a year ago, so the market was probably about the same. If this card had double the mileage, I guarantee. Now, of course, he also,

Tyler also had. It's hained. I don't know. He hanged it a little bit there. You like that. Yeah. The problem, modifying Ferraris. Yeah, yeah, you should never. It's not that you shouldn't. It's just that it really has an impact on values more than any other car. You can modify but set it back to stock before you get rid of it.

Right, which I think Cuvie wasn't going to do for this. Well, no, and this car's 101,000 on TMU 348. I mean, I don't blame them at all. But nonetheless, yeah, I agree. I think the NSX, for all the reasons you outlined, um, there's like an interesting floor. definite floor. Although a super, super nice 355 sells for more than any nice NSX ever

will. Like a GTS stick is a 250 car. With no miles. Maybe the nicest NSX in the world brings that. But like, it is interesting. But Senate would have had to cough on it or something for it to be worth it. Right. Like Jay Leno. Okay, next market report topic, Felipe. All right. Let's talk to something interesting. So JDM cars have become both very popular and very

prevalent on our site. So obviously there are some that everybody knows about and lusts after we sold an R33 Scound GTR today, which is a month ago for you all sold well. These are still really desirable. But we've also

seen a ton of, let's call them less interesting. Yeah. JDM cars on the site. Now we still love having them, but people are importing all kinds of fairly just pedestrian traffic cars. Totally. I mean, like scroll up to even what's live right now, Kenon. we got a Gloria

with 22,000 miles a Crown Majesta which is an LS basically like these are enacted but then if you scroll down there's also a bunch of like I know you're right no but what you want to talk about is this

is like yeah this Ucgilto like low miles but how does someone justify I think about this all the time how does someone justify the cost to import such a vehicle it's not everybody thinks it's really expensive to import it's not a couple grand but it's 3800 but I mean the car

was probably $10 the car was probably $10 the car was probably Probably cheap, but go back. And also, there's a bunch of these. But they're a bunch, yeah. Wouldn't you rather, let's say you're a dealer, wouldn't five grand for this SVX? Like, if you're a dealer, wouldn't you rather make your money not trusting, like, title documents and working at the DMV and having the cars for a month on the water? It just like a headache for no upside.

It really does. Like, the price is just so low on these. Totally. To be fair, they're cheap in Japan. So it's not, they're expensive. And also current currency transfer rates are, the Japanese yen is not worth as much as it once was. Yeah. That makes it easier to buy some of these cars.

Other cars have valued. Yeah. Land Cruiser for 17 and another Lan Cruiser for 21. But some just are... But others. They're cool, but they're just traffic. And especially in Japan, they would have just been... Oh, yeah.

There have been cars come up, J.DM cars come up, that I have never heard of. There have been J.D.M. Cars come up that I have never heard of. That I'm just... Like, this Ford Telstar. Right. I came up and I was like, what? What? What? I don't know what this is.

I don't know where it came from. But it's some JDS thing that was rebadged as a... Ford, but you get the point. Go back. But clearly, there's still some demand for them. $4,500 for a JPM-only right-hand drive automatic station wagon. I feel simultaneously cheap and like a lot of money. I don't actually know which it is.

This legnum was a bargain. But generally I agree with your point. What is the deal? Are those going to keep coming in? Right. Are they, have we reached like a saturation point where there's not worth enough to bring? Are they just so cheap in Japan and the kind of currency, the dynamics being that it's sufficiently cheap that it makes sense.

Right. I just don't know. Right. Truly. I think about it a lot too. Who's buying them? Why bother wasting so much legwork and effort when the car is going to bring $8,800? So you bought that in Japan for three.

I mean, you certainly bought in Japan for $800. Okay, fine, but still, you spent all the money to ship it. You were out the money while it was on the water for six weeks. Yep. You had to go into your DMV and convince them that this Japanese document is entitled. Right. Like the whole process. And that's assuming it doesn't get damaged in transit and the, you know, documents don't get lost,

et cetera. It is interesting to me that so many people do And some I get it Because like the acty interesting That leg note Really cool And even some of these other ones that are cheaper They're interesting

You couldn't find them here Maybe you have you lost after that car Sure But we also get some car submitted That are basically the Toyota Corolla Or literally the Toyota Corolla Yeah there was some Toyota a long time ago That was so basic

And I just couldn't understand Yeah I mean I'm glad they're coming to us We sell them well but like Right Why are you doing this? Yeah and also who's the demand I think about that too Like for a $4,000

$4,000 Subaru Vivio Bistro, like a $4,000 use car is kind of hard to find. Is it people just buying them to like have a car? Maybe. Like I wonder about that. It's right hand drive so it's annoying, but at the same time, four grand, what are you going to get in the States? Yeah. That's right. Like, you could use that as a daily if you're like, are a student and you're just trying to make it.

Maybe that. Maybe that's a little. Pretty cool to drive that around campus, you know? Yeah, it would be. I think it would be kind of cool. Yeah, they look so wild. It would give you a little bit of a leg up in terms of having something fun. You'd be that guy with the bistro. People say like, what is that car? I sit over here. Yep.

I don't see that. I mean, we're in California, so you can't title them here. Yeah, they're pretty uncommon here. Where do you see them? You see them not? Well, the mini trucks you see. The mini trucks, for sure. The hydrants and the acting stuff are everywhere. Yeah. Agreed. But other than that, I mean, you go to car meets, you go to in the south, these things are everywhere. Every car meet in Florida and Georgia has one of these. And you know what? When I watch takeover videos, you see a lot of these in the takeover videos.

Has a really? $357. C. No. Dude, Vivio Bistro is like the main car people use for takeover.

No, what you see in takeover videos is G-G-G-G-4. You know, that's a topic for this pod is the cheap rural drive cars. Like the 240SX of this generation

is the G-35. Without a doubt. And the Genesis coup. That's pretty sure. And we'll cover that in later. But we'll talk about that. No.

That's wrong. Okay, I have my own market report topic today, which is the Honda S-2000. Oh. Bubble has popped. Yeah, I agreed.

The S-2000 was in 20 and 21, a darling of 20 and 21. It was unbelievably successful, and collectors were snapping them up for like 50 grand if they had low mileage. That's over. Collectors have stopped doing that. Cheap money has gone, and people have realized there's actually a lot more in nice shape out there than we all thought. There are a lot of... We were like, we better get one of these before they all get monitored and you can't find one anymore. Now, there's a lot of...

There's a lot of people who bought these as second. secondary cars and were maybe a little older than just didn't drive them much. This is such a great example. We just sold this one with the factory arrow kit. It was an AP one, admittedly, but factory air kit with 950 miles, clean car for 43. That car during the pandemic would have sold for a lot. Let's put it that way.

So go back to the listings. You have over here an AP2 with 8,500 miles that sold probably in that time period in 23. So that wasn't even that long ago for another $4,000, even though it has 10 times the miles. Or that Laguna Blue Pearl. 0 1 with 20 times the miles sold for the same money and I think that or heck that for 3 grand less 10,000 more miles I mean this this 0 1 12,000 miles sold for 33 I think we're getting look one to the less of that that right right that car is the best example this was like peak pricing at the at the beginning of 22 this car brings 40 grand with 9,99 miles and then the one we just sold the other

day brought the same money yeah with 900 miles yeah um the S 2000 bubble is pot. People have realized they're not as hard to find as we all thought they were. Yep. And they're still valuable. They're still not really losing money. Still big money for what they are. For 25 year old. Yeah. I actually think they're undervalued for what they are. But for the for how many they made, etc. Yes. Yeah. This this is over. The the 50, 80, 100,000 dollar S. 2000s is not happening with the exception of the CRs of course, but I guess, but I bet that bubble pops too. Yeah, I agreed. I think that the right color right. exterior and interior color. The one that I reviewed in San Francisco is that AC and Radio Delete. And it sold incredibly strong.

It sold well. It did. And it was a one-owner car, which was amazing. And some will still retain value. And they're still, like, you can still sell nice ones in the 30s. They're going to still retain value.

I agree that it stopped the upward progression. The upward progression has stopped. The S-2000 bubble has, has, has, burst is the wrong word because they're not six grand. And they're slowly deflated. And they never will be. But it has slowly deflated. I know, I wish they were.

Remember when they were. Slowly deflated like a helium, loon that was set in the corner of a room. It's just slowly a little lower and a little lower. What is the cheapest one we've sold? Oh, that's an interesting question. Cheapest one. 10,000 with some mods in 2021.

In 21. Bad wheels. The painted wheels. This one had a hundred ninety four thousand miles. It still pulls 10. It still pulls 10. Reliability, baby. Yep.

And it's so good. I drove one recently for a video. It is so good. I love driving the CR. It was just like everything. The shifter feels. one of the nicest shifters. It's almost like the career duties when it's warmed up inside the interior.

I do that one, you don't have to do that. The floor for a nice one, though, hasn't gone down. You still need to spend 20 to get a nice one. Yeah. And I feel like there was a time though where you had to spend a little more. To get a nice one. That's true. And now we're like, oh.

But they haven't. Yeah. The top end. But definitely, I think there was a fear that like collectors were going to be snapping all these up. They'd be $65,000 cars. They still look so many of them, though. But I'm honestly glad they're not.

Like, yeah. It's such a wonderful drive. experience and the whole point was that it was approachable and anybody could buy one and I'm glad that that largely still is the case that you know and and that the really really really nice ones have kind of just settled I don't think you'll necessarily lose a whole lot of money if you buy a really nice one when I'm saying the bubbles popped I do not think it's going to continue to go down no I think it's hit a good 25 to 35 is going to do it maybe the expression is the market has settled now it's kind of gone out of the crazy craziness and

now we've settled in a nice comfortable spot comfortable spot buy your ass 2,000's and enjoy and enjoy them because I think you're not going to You're not going to change much if you drive. How many S-2000s did they make? Well, they made it for 10 years. Right. I don't know the production number that's an interesting question. Many.

But 10 years of production. We've sold 146. But towards the end. 110,673, it says. You're joking. That's a ton. That's a commodity. Yeah.

Buy your S-2000 and drive it and enjoy it because it's one of the great things you'll do in your entire life. I mean that's sincerely. We should get one of those. But you can't justify the spend. Correct. Okay. Time to move on to questions.

Questions. questions. Now remember, these are pre-recorded because I'm on vacation, so we're doing this a few weeks before this is actually airing. But we will get back to live question answering soon. You go on cars and bids, click on communities, we'll post a document that asks for your questions, and then we will respond to them, I think maybe a couple of podcasts after this one. But for now, I'm pulling questions off of previous documents. The best questions. Ariel Fuller, who asks the following. Bizarre hypothetical, but I'm going to throw it in.

If you could pick only one car for the rest of your life to drive, what would you and why. I already have it. I already have the car. It's sitting right here. It's sitting over here. Truly the only car. Like, even after the Korea GT experience,

the godly experience, and it was wonderful if I got back in my M5 and I was still happy to get back in my M5. I just love it. Right over here. Yep, exactly. That's my answer, E39M5. F10 and 5, the stick.

No, I got to think. I hate what my answer is. Yeah, Panama? No. Oh, it's going to be the all terrain, isn't it? E450. Kind of. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I.

I own the prior generation one. Your car is better. Like, I love my wagon, but your car just better. It's not, like, thrilling. No, but, like, it... This is my only car. Yeah, but don't you want to have some enjoyment? That's my only car.

I'm a deeply practical human. I need one seven seats. It's more thrilling than most cars. It is. Than most seven-seat cars. Yeah. It's comfortable. It'll be fine forever.

The answer, of course, is R1S. Forever, huh? What, you would think it's not going to last? No, I just think my turbo hybrid. I just think that the electric battery technology will get so much better that you will regret having... Engine technology has gotten better. Look at this. He's getting...

We're kind of at the end of that, though. Yeah, like, I think we've had a lot of the engine optimization that we will have. Your car benefits for most of them. Yeah, you're not wrong. It is one of the great cars of all time. I mean that, sincerely. You drove it once. Yeah, it's nice.

Wait, that's another car that I drove before you. The E450 Alder? Yeah. Oh, yeah, because you picked it up with the transporter. Yes. And Filippa just picked stuff up off the truck. It was local. It was in the neighborhood.

Yeah, those are both good. Yours less good than his. I think the answer is like an M5 of a newer ilk. For me. F10 with a six speed. F10 with a stick, Panama Turbo, R1S, my wagon, something in that variety. Or a new wagon, like an AMG wagon. Yeah, like forever.

It would get annoying to drive an AMG wagon ever, but if I couldn't go and drive a sports car. That's fair. Now, I'm not used to that life anyways. On the subject of AMGs, Justin Y asks us, any thoughts on the C-55 AMG, especially are values increasing? No. Actually, both questions.

Although, I disagree, I have tons of thoughts on the C-55, and we'll give it to you right now, Justin. I always said that values wouldn't increase on any of those old AMG cars. Boy, is that wrong about the W-210, E-55, which is not like it's a... expensive like nice ones are still 20 but like they were seven i bought one for 11 with 49 000 miles in perfect condition back in 2012 um so they've gone up c55 may someday go up it was a it was a naturally i know it's it's a it's a very cool car it's not gonna go up but why would it uh

oh wow he types in rcine's ben i have to forget it just just just press enter press That's that sure. Thank you. Last time I did that, you complained that I didn't think. These are valuable-ish for low-mile ones, but why would... And it's rare that there's a V-A and a car this small. And it's so subtle. The styling is so subtle. Kenyon would never know that this car has a V8.

I disagree. This is my kind of thing where I would know. You would know this as a C-55? Yeah, of course. I'm very familiar with this. I know. I know he wouldn't know. He would have a clue. He would have a clue. You would have no clue. A little baby child? You didn't know that this car existed until I'm glad.

Of course I did. I saw one. Then what was the initial version called? The C-36. No. No, C-43. On this body style, what was the initial version called? Kenan knows.

He's sitting here, no one. Oh, he doesn't know. What was it? What was it? C-32 or C-43? Because the prior generation was C-36 and C-43. Yes. And then the C-32 came out.

It was a blown V-6. Right. It was like... That's okay. And? The Crossfire. Yes, the Crossfire S-R-T-6. It was the compressor.

It was the full name, right? It was, it got the compressor. It was called C32 AMG. The C230 was the compressor. Compressor they put on the non-AMG ones. Okay. I think that they're cool. I don't think they're gonna.

No, probably not, but these are great cars. And they're severely undervalued and underdesired in today's market concerned. They have a massive V8. That is reliable. Say, same true of the SLK 55. Yeah. That's an awesome car. All the 55.

You reviewed one. It was a reliable V8. It was like a good power train, a legitimately good, reliable, corky, excellent power train. Yeah. And I still like how these look. Yeah, I think they look excellent. Maybe this is the one car I would have forever.

No, it's too small. Also. And Mercedes Benz interiors of that era. There is a wagon. You have said many times. I do not like, yeah. But there's a wagon. Doug and I have had this debate.

I hate how most C-class wagons look. All C-glass wagons. No, the original, the 94-0-1. No, I've never enjoyed that generation. You've never enjoyed that generation. Okay, next question. This one is from Holdup. What are your thoughts on the European

competitor of the Miata and MR2, the Fiat Barquetta. Can you pull up a Fiat barquetta? Calling a competitor is generous. It's front-wheel drive for one. But I do think it looks cool. I lived in Italy when these came out. You know this car, Kenan? We hosted one, didn't we?

Yeah, I think we sold one. I think they looked very 90s. They look okay, but their front-wheel drive and not at all competitor to a Miat or F-200. Yeah, I mean, the thing is, at the end of the day, the, the competition is, The competition ended at, we've sold three. The competition ended with the style. People bought these who didn't care about the driving dynamics. They wanted like a cool roadster to drive around in Italy that was probably pretty cheap.

Keep in mind, in the 90s in Italy, as today, as until about five years ago, nobody bought a car that was in a Fiat. The Fiat was out of production in 1996, I believe. So this was kind of the next car you could buy, basically, an affordable. God, I love the old Fiat logo. It's like, yeah, same. It was a cool car, and I think people wanted it to be stylish, but I think it's not a realistic competitor. I totally agree with that.

However, it would be cool to, like, turn heads in a Fiat barquetta for what do they cost? 8888. Seabye, I'd pay five. Bit of a boat. Bit of a boat. Nice, Felipe. Thank you. Thank you for the recognition of the church.

You know what I'd rather have? I know what barquetta? You know what I'd rather have? Field coupe. C-55 AMG. Oh, interesting. Same price. Frankly.

Next question. And wrongly so. The C-55 deserves higher value. next question this one from swazel oh swazel Doug why would you ever buy a kuntash over a vector w8 kenn and i'll let you handle this one the main reason of course is they don't exist like they never transact finding one for sale is basically impossible yeah they just never there's how many there's 22 i think that's right had one come up would you have are they in the same price range i okay that's the other that's the other there's 22 uh which is light to be clear not 22 for sale

No, there's 22 globally. Globally. So that's like a light number. Like I'm looking for a car that has a production around of at least 36. Ooh. Yeah. At least 36. That's legitimate in your mind.

36 is the number. No. 250 GTO production is like around there. It's like what he's looking for. No. Well, that in light, yeah, so not around. Not around. Cunosh is, it's an icon.

Yeah, but have you seen a vector, pull up a vector WH just so we can look at it as an icon. The pricing is, is a fact. How much are they worth? We don't know because they're 22. No, no. Okay, so here's what happened. I went and reviewed that one. This picture is so good.

Everybody, oh, look at that. It's a wild. What were they? What were they thinking? Can I, can you describe it for the listeners at home? It just, it just looks like speed. That car looks like speed. More than any car I've ever seen in my life looks like it's going a million miles an hour stopped.

More than any other car. Yeah. I consider the Kuntash to be the most radical automotive design ever, except for this. The difference being that they've, made a real actual car. And they made 22 of these. And I could make something crazy looking if I was doing a 22

unit production. They're a big car companies that have produced more. That's right. Absolutely there are. So the question was, why did I buy one over the W8? Yeah, it would have been coolest help. So here's what happened on pricing. I went and reviewed this red one in New Jersey five years ago.

Once sold right after that for way more than anybody thought. And the owner of the red one in New Jersey, not the one that sold. But he texted me. He was like, I really think that your review, helped like to spur. People are always asking me, do you, do you change the market on these cars? No. I generally believe I'd never have any effect on the market. That car may be a little. Oh. Maybe it had made people remember it a little bit more or whatever. They sell for six to 800,000. And that's a lot of money for, that's within the range. You spent six? No, but it's a lot

of money for. For a car that doesn't exist in parts are not available. You have to contact a guy who like used to work for the company who could maybe make you some points. That's exactly how he got wheels. Right. Like, that's terrifying. I mean, especially for someone who doesn't want to be inconvenienced. That's an inconvenience. You'd require a custodian to take care of this car.

It would be cool as hell. I would love to have one. In a dream garage with 50 cars, this would definitely be in there. Even a dream garage with 15 cars, this would be in there. It's just too hard. It's too hard, and it's too hard to find. A boy, imagine. Oh, it would be an absolute showstopper anywhere you took it.

Even more than Kuntah. Let me summarize that for all you. Doug is not cool enough. I am pretty cool, but it's not a level where it stops. I would love to do it. Maybe in retirement. I'll get one as a retirement project. And to start working on it yourself.

Work out myself. Dude, it was a big GMV8 and a GM 3-speed auto. You're great at working on those. Which was mounted between the driver's seat and the door. Oh, easy to access. That's great. There are a lot of weird things about that car. Sorry, Baltimore, Bill.

So the question was, why would you ever get a contest for W? the answer is I wish I had gotten A. C.55. Next question. Doug, why did you buy a Mark 5 GTI? What were your thoughts on it? I bought a Mark 5 GTI when I was graduated from college. My Audi 84 that I had at the time destroyed its transmission. Classic. And Tiptronic, as they all did. So I bought a Mark 5 GTI, which was certified pre-owned. And I had it for like a year before I started getting company cars at Porsche.

Did it have plaid seats? Yes. It had plaid seats. And it was a two-door. Stick. Base model. Stick. the thing I like the most about it is it didn't have those radioactive wheels, you know, that they all have. Mine was just the regular snowflake looking wheel, and I loved it. My thoughts on it, it was pretty good, actually.

I kind of liked it, but ultimately it was front-wheel driving kind of tall, and so it pitched a lot in corners, and I don't, it's gone. It's in North Carolina now. Someone else is driving it. Perhaps Pennons, Beau, Emily. Oh, maybe that's how we'll find Emily. Oh, where's she from? Well, I'll figure out. the other day I actually assessed that Emily has an E90 CRT

Were those all M3s? Yes, of course. You say of course it was a carbon fiber trunklet. Yeah, the E90 CRT What? No, they didn't do E90. One of the wild, this video is great. There's stuff I didn't have heard.

Do you know they made a V12 Z3? Yeah, I saw that. You saw that. Okay. Yes, the E90 M3 CRT. They did not do a 335 CRT. They were all M3s. They shut up.

It was a carbon fiber truncle. I understand. They were only doing it to. show off that they could like for the m3 nobody would i mean it was a really expensive car then it's still expensive now what is they're all stands right all stands just something technology car it was carbon racing technology carbon racing technology so they come out with this thing meanwhile the couragey by then had already had a carbon fiber chassis they're like we got this we got this right and they create an m3 with a carbon fiber trunk lid and they aimed it after a type of telegraph and a and a carbon fiber

lip and then they they decided to highlight these elements in melbourne red All the cars were painted frozen silver. And so, like, really stands out. But yeah, carbon lip, carbon seats. They painted the carbon fiber? Yeah. Like, the carbon, like, it's carbon, but it's got, like, a little lip. Pull up one of these things.

I'll show you. And then I'll watch the video, I promise. I saw one of these in person ones. Did you know that, Kenan? No, like, in Germany or in... That's pretty discreet. You know, yeah, you think that until you, like, look more closely. Hold on, I got to find one.

Can you show me the carbon fiber trunk lid? That's the real... That's the real... selling... Bam! Carbon fiber trunk lid looks exactly the same as a normal one.

On the inside, you can tell. And that's what you... That was the cool thing about this car. You would show up at a club trying to like impress people and you'd be like,

check out the inside of my trunk lid. This will highlight all of the little like touches that they did. So this car got MPE exhaust. I believe it's the M Performance exhaust. I got some special exhaust system. But additionally, like... They literally did paint like small things red.

Yeah, Melbourne red. Like just... And Emily's just driving one of these things around. Good for her. Yeah, she'll fit right in. I mean, it's tough because she's got to talk to everybody who knows what it is, all the BMW club events we go to. So she's like the celebrity and whatever.

Love seeing what ads can and gets, by the way. Yeah, it's all watches, of course. The Pepsi's. But they also did these vents on the, that is a Pepsi, you're right. Been looking at them. So they also paint the, yeah, the vents, not been red for some reason.

Notable. You're right about the interior, though. The interior got the cool seats. And also the rear seats are buckets. They're not like a bench in the back. Oh, like in the, the, the, the d'angerangles Shelby, Not as cool as that. Those are like dedicated individual buckets, but...

It just, like, turned up the edges. It was normal rear seats, just that the edges turned up. But I will tell you this. Emily and Canon have spent some time on those edges. All right. That's a bridge too far. Next question from Lawton 12. Do you think Mercedes will ever put a V8 back in the C-63?

Philippo? No. Okay, next question. I agree. I have to think about it for a second. but next question from grunk something it was grunk and then it was very long after that and I was too hard plus it might be a curse word in like norwegian

so I didn't want to are you worried that grunk is a curse oh to all which cars do you want to own at one point in your life t7 in k7 cordat he's he's gonna say a c7 it's kind of asking like what what are your attainable dream cars is kind of what it's asking or maybe your aspirational dream cars and you want to achieve that aspiration the longest time the answer that was the 355 for me and then I did it which was great and we learned something and I'll learn something um but I think I think for me um you won't like this answer um but I just have a hangar the challenge straw is one of

my all time like favorite cars like I just think they're so cool um they're all tips unfortunately you've been given him crap all day yeah but this is like a cool frog he wants just a normal automatic our producer Sean and I've already owned the 355 I already did the more beautiful car our Producer Sean claimed that the 355 is uglier than the 360. He thinks the 360 is more beautiful. All morning, Sean's been like, hey, I want a 360 with a tip. Or than a tip. I don't even know what it's.

F1. We call it tip. And Kenan's been like, that's the stupid. And I agree with that, that's the stupidest thing. Don't you get a 612 or whatever? We've given him 50 alternatives. And now, what part do you want to own someday if you could dream of any car? A tip.

Well, no, this is like, I want a tip 360. This is the, no, the challenge to dolly is. is a really, really special car. You know, I drove one. I've driven one, too. I thought it was amazing. I loved it. I loved it.

It's raw and, like, I love the way it drove. Would have been nice for that three pedals, though. People are converting them. Imagine that. That would be kind of nice. That would be cool. I would do that. That would be cool.

I don't care about those people. I don't like that would be really cool. And that, for me is like, it comes from that era, the Schumacher era, which was really special. Yeah. And I just think, you know, red with the, with the stripes and the red and black interior. Pretty cool car.

Do you have an answer? I have an answer. F40 is my answer, which Grunk whatever actually suggested as should be my answer. And he's right. That's the only car I really still want. I mean, I would love an SC30 Diablo.

I would love an F50. I would love a Zonda. But like I also, if I had zillions of dollars, I don't think I would buy all those cars. I don't care about the, I don't want 74 cars and have to deal with specialists for all of them. So I want one more.

It's an F40 rounds out the group. Well, yeah. So, well, okay. What? You got a problem with that? Yeah, it's like, I'd love to have an F40. I don't think of, I don't know if it will be attainable for me based on how the prices. Oh, you're saying you would have said F40, but you think.

Yeah, I'm trying to think like more like I will actually get to it. And like, I can also, I, you're going to be spending money, two and a half million dollars on an F40. I'd have to have a lot of money to justify that. But I could, $300,000. Yeah. I hope they get to a point where I can justify that in my life at some, it'll still be, it's still not race. I mean, that's fair. I only set up 40 because it is literally the only car left on my life.

I mean, yeah, and money, no object, F50, no question. But they're $5 million now, so. Yeah. We lost the F50s. You sure did. But we can still get a set of shoes. Even that. Yeah, no, the shoes are 40 grand.

They never come up. But if they did, dude, F50 shoes, I would give anything. The person I want to hear this answer from those, Philippa. Yeah, you're not going to like my answer. I don't have any aspirational cars. What do you have a plug-in hybrid minivan? Like, a Chrysler Pacifica. plug-in hybrid but reliable

I'm not joking What about a Sienna that isn't plug-in? No, I think the Sienna doesn't look good. I think the Pacifica looks great. Sienna does not look good and the Pacifica does look good but it is not related. I have thought about this a lot. I do not have kids at some point in the future

probably will have kids. But I am excited for the moment that I can go out and buy a plug-in hybrid minivan. I'm not joking. I've thought about this for the last five years. They're great. Some many stereotypical guys dread the moment and they have to go get the minivan.

I can't justify a minivan in my life right now. I don't have a need for a minivan. Right. But I'm excited for when I do. What about a fully electric mini van? Like the EV-9? That's a crossover.

Slyding doors. You need sliding doors to be a minivan? You don't think the original Honda Odyssey was a minivan? What do you think it was? A multi-purpose vehicle on MPV. Do you know what that was sold as in Europe? Oh, yes. I love this.

I'm stumping Felipe, but he kind of knows. What was the original Honda Odyssey called in Europe? Kenan. You're also welcome to participate. I don't remember. The shuttle. The Honda Shuttle. Okay, regardless.

What was the Zuzu version? I'm blugging on that. The Oasis. Oasis, thank you. Regardless, that is your answer. Yeah, 100%. If you could have any car, you're dreaming someday. I don't have dreams of...

You don't have dreams of supercars. You don't care. The other day, though, you hit on some supercar that you thought was kind of... I think the 550... 555. Yeah, that's another one on my list. You would never have one. I don't want it.

I plan to have it. have one at some stage. Like, I think they're cool. Right. You're just going to drive around. He'll have an F-50, I'll have an F-40, and you'll have a Pacifica plug-in. And we'll all be equally as happy. We'll all be equally as happy.

I'm an easy-to-please person, I guess. We'll take away here. Yeah, it doesn't take, it's pretty easy to find a Pacifica plugin. Just go to the buyback lot in Auburn Hills. I want to be clear. A Pacific Hybrid, but reliable. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

So, in other words, it doesn't exist. Not currently. We have attainable cars in the sense that they were actually built. If you are a manufacturer, please build some plug-in hybrid minivan so that I can buy them in five years. Someday someone will. For now, you're stuck with the Pacifica. Which I recently went to review a car, a fella had a Pacifica plug-in, and I said, how's it been? He said, I'm afraid to take my family out of it.

Which is such a shame, because I've had some rental car Pacificas, and I've loved them dearly. But I want the hybrid. Okay, he's insane, and that's our podcast. Thank you for watching. We'll be back with news and more podcasts soon. Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye, Emily. Thanks for watching.

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