THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - C8 ZR1 is HERE with Over 1000 Horsepower, Tesla Down Big, Has Doug Ever Crashed? EP19

Episode Date: July 26, 2024

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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Nick. Nick is here today joining us, my crazy friend Nick with his yellow P-38 range rover that's been minking the rounds all over the internet. We get Felipeo back next week, but this week we have Nick. All right. Okay.

We're going to start. We got a lot of P-38 to discuss. We do. Can't wait. We're going to start with the news. And the big news story is. There's a new Corvette ZR1. Yes, it's very exciting.

Now, while we're recording this, the car hasn't technically come out, but it was leaked this morning about what it's going to be and the event is tonight. So when you see this, the car will already have come out, but we don't. Well, we assume all of what we have, all the information we have is correct.

Maybe the leak was a lie. Or maybe it was a bluff. Maybe it only has 300 horsepower and it's a four cylinder. Yeah, well, if it's a bluff, it's one heck of one. So this car, purportedly, is going to be powered by a twin turbo

charge 5.5-a-half-liter V8, flatplane crank V8, that's going to make 1,064 horsepower and 828 foot pounds of torque, which is wild. Even the thought of having a thousand horsepower Corvette from the factory, I think, is absolutely nuts. So if this is true, it's going, I mean, it's going to be an incredibly high demand, I would imagine, for a while. The ZO6 was, and I suspect this will be too. But, Nick, you realize a thousand and 664 horse. power. Okay? Remember? All these like, oh, I got my Tesla.

This has a thousand and sixty four horse. This has more power than any of those cars. What were the other stats? 828 pound feet of torque. Split window, yeah. So they're bringing back the rear split window thing harkening back to the C2. And Nick

said he's not a fan of it, but I think it's pretty cool. It's not that I'm not a fan, but there's a ZR1, the previous gen that shows up at Cars and Coffee with the glass hood. And I I just think that's the coolest little design feature. Wait, so you're talking about the C-601? Is that the C-6?

Because, Kenan, he's stuck in like 1996 to 2008. That's his real house. But he thinks that that design feature, that exhibits the plastic engine cover is good and this isn't? He likes to look at the plastic end cover of a front engine car instead of a split window on a thousand horsepower flat frame. I see what they're trying to do there. I want to look at the engine.

So this little feature, I know, it's so special. Flatplane crank it is. No, but the C6 doesn't look at the engine. Have you ever seen it? When it opens, it looks at the plastic engine cover. It's a nice looking cover. I stop and I look through that little porthole and I admire whatever's below it. It could be these guys and I would stop and look and just admire.

But I think this is really cool. Like I remember when the Veyron came out and the idea of topping a thousand horsemen. power was absolutely insane. So to do it in a Corvette for what I imagine is a fifth of the price of what the VE was back in those days is pretty wild. Yes. This one purported that but this is the ZTK package which is like their perform ultra high end performance package which adds the wing and I think adds these inlets as well and some other stuff related to the car I heard like carbon fiber wheels and stuff like that too but regardless it's the idea the idea that there could be a thousand horse power Corvette. A mass-produced car is going to exist with a thousand horsepower from Chevy.

Like the Corvette finally has a thousand horsepower is wild. Like it's, I know there are a lot of cars that now have a thousand horsepower, but for Corvette to get there is really cool. And these will be on Turro all day long. And to me, the cool thing about it is that it has a thousand horsepower without a, it does, and maybe there's more to the story, but it has a thousand or without any sort of electric backup. Because a lot of cars that are getting to a thousand now, or close, like the new M5

has amazing horsepower numbers, but there's plug-in hybrid component. which adds weight, which adds complexity, and you have to keep it plugged in, which God knows Nick's not going to do. And is this naturally aspirated like an EV? No, this one is forced induction. Even Doug can't agree with me on that, though. No, he doesn't understand.

I can't disprove your theory, but I also can't validate. So it's like a lot of scientific theories out there. We'll never know the real truth. We'll never know the real truth, like gravity or the sky. I mean, if you go in a spaceship, gravity is no longer there. So what's up with that? That is a great point, Nick. Gravity is no longer there.

Back to our poor Corvette. Speaking of astronauts. I will say the other thing really interesting is the founder of Remock came out today, I think, and said, look, we've only sold about 50 of the 150 units planned. Rich people want naturally aspirated. They won ice, I-C-E. Yeah. And the EV high-end EV market just isn't there.

So kudos to GM for maybe not realizing that intentionally, but nonetheless, this is a great swan song for the evening. And did you see that interview with Mate Rimack? He literally said, like, we can't sell these things. Like, no one's buying these Navaras. They're electric. They're cool. I drove one.

It's awesome. But, like, people who want cars like this don't want more electric. And that makes sense. I mean, it's kind of like what we discussed last week with calling. It's about like experience. And when you spend a lot of money on a special car like that you want it to, you know, emotionally, you know, you want it to be an experience. And a gasoline engine just revving up in the great sound and the visceral buzz of it adds to it. And that's why so many people have interest in older cars.

And it makes sense. And Porsche proved that also, I think, with the, like, with the 9-11R, like, they prove people wanted manual transmissions and all that stuff. And that's still true today. So. This is why Tesla people miss the point when they only are looking at accelerate. You know, when the 12-cylindery came out, The 12C The Tesla people were like

Oh well a Model 3 performance is quicker Zero to 60 and it costs a 10th It's like you're not understanding What makes the car special And like a plaid in a RIMAC are the same Zero to 60 but like What makes an exotic car special is not necessarily how fast it is Exactly the speed is the result of a lot of other ingredients

But yeah but that's a nuanced thing a split window and a flat playing crank for me and Kenan. Hell yeah. Our car guys. See, that's the difference between Nick is a, he's got an English car, he's got a Lamborghini. Me and you, Kenan, Kenan, you want a Viper? I've got a 4GT, that was my American car.

We're an American car guy. We get it. It is about the sound and the visceral experience and this is going to slap you in the face. So I think it's great. I'm really curious to see what the pricing looks like as well as availability. I have to imagine. And the flipping market will be crazy.

Will they try to do something like Tesla did and discourage flippers or put limitations to be seen? But I know they saw what the zero six, a lot of that. We'll see how long it takes for one to end up on cars and beds, basically. Yeah, it'll be right away. We don't have pricing, by the way. But you can assume, I imagine high ones, maybe even touching two. Okay, next news story. Tesla, here's a picture of a cyber truck filling up at a supercharger.

Tesla revenue down 7% year over. year. In this growing industry of electric cars, it turns out Tesla may be not growing so much. Interesting. Which actually is an interesting segue to our next news story, which is that Porsche has announced that they are backing down on their EV goals. They initially said that 80% of their vehicles would be EV by 2030, which is in production and manufacturing terms, 2030 is tomorrow. And now they're admitting that it's probably not going to happen, which is interesting. We've kind of covered the decline of some EV market segments recently, and these are two kind of in tandem stories right in a row that make you kind of wonder a little. Yeah, I mean,

even week to week, we've sort of begun to wonder, like, if people, if companies have realized, because we talked about the Cayman and Boxter a couple of weeks ago, and like, that seemed to be the direction. But to your point, like a lot of, it is interesting to hear Porsche start to back off of stuff. They put so much R&D thinking that was the development they were going to go in. And now, if they're not, that's a lot of wasted resources, so I don't know. We'll certainly see how it pans out. I am I love internal combustion

engines. I love for them to stick around, at least in cars that are special and like, in experiential like we've discussed. But it's an interesting development though. I agree with that, Kenon. I think that's a great way to say it. I love internal combustion. I love it to stick around in special cars. In normal

commuter boring cars, I don't really care that much, but it would be nice and I think, you know, the black wings of the world and the ZR-1s of the world, it would be sad to lose it, and it seems like maybe the market isn't embracing it quite as quickly or as decisively as some people predicted.

Yeah, exactly. There's always going to be room for utility vehicles, and that's what a Tesla's one of the, we've talked about this many times, it's one of the great utility vehicles. Like a Model 3 is just nice. It's just you get in it. It's like a phone, you just use it, but there's nothing special.

You get rid of it and get the newest one and get all the cool upgrades and stuff or updates over there. Whatever. It's like, but it's not, it's not a 12-cylinder however the hell it's pronounced. And to this point, the fact that Porsche is backing off their goal really underscores this point well. Because I think of all the brands who were going to do it, Porsche really went headstrong into it and is realizing like, maybe this isn't something our customers are actually wanting at least yet. Yeah. Well, the Tycon's not doing great.

But I think the McConae v. that's coming out will be a much better litmus test for the like the willingness. for Porsche owners to adopt EVs because it's not an enthusiast car. The segment it's going after is very different. I think the pricing will be semi-competitive, not outrageous. Are you aware, Nick, that they claim there's not going to be any combustion engine macon.

It's just the electric one. Which I think that's a pretty severe decision. It's bold for sure. Personally, I'm still in the, like, I want the hybrid. I want to plug in partial electric and I can do most of my driving electric, but if I want to do a road trip to Vegas or Arizona or wherever, I don't want to have to worry about

sitting in line at a charging station. Kenon, he may have to drive to Vegas. I may have to go to Vegas. Yeah, you don't impulsively need to go to Vegas sometimes. This is a common use case that the every man needs to worry about. Give us the next news story here, which is the Honda Odyssey Refresh. Nick, you see this? Yeah, it looks nice.

I bring this up. The Honda Odyssey came out, 2017, maybe, give or take. And this is their second refresh. They still won't redesign it. And there's a new Sienna and there's a new carnival and there's a fairly new Pacifica. And they all offer hybrid versions. And the Odyssey is old. It's seven years old, eight years old.

It has no hybrid, no four cylinder hybrid, no plug-in. And yet they've only, instead of redesigning it with a hybrid and changing everything, they did this. And the reason for that is, despite all of the competition, the Odyssey remains the best-selling number one, selling the million. So Honda was like, screw it. If they're going to keep buying this trash, we're going to keep making it. So it's like Toyota did with the forerunner, basically. They're just going to just continue to do it, not idiot. The Honda Odyssey is the Dodge Challenger of the minivan segment. There's a statement. They're going to sell it until the federal government regulates them out of business. And so we have a, so we have a facelifted Odyssey. And the only

differences. I mean, you should Google, like, the differences are like a black grill. It's like they're making fun of their customers. Like, we know you're going to keep buying this. You're not going to not buy this. Yeah, the Sienna gets twice the fuel economy, but you're going to buy this. You know, you're going to buy this. My parents had two of them, like, when I was in, like, late high school and to like, you know, there was, because I have two younger sisters to, they're hauling around. And I remember, like, when they went to get, like, the second one, I asked the sales was like, does it have, like, any major updates? Does it have, like, xenon headlights? and he looked at me like, what are you talking about?

Of course not. It doesn't have anything new. At one point, at one point, they did add a vacuum cleaner to the trunk. Yes, we had, yeah, I remember that. But then they took it away, so I don't have that anymore. There's something to be said about being the safe choice, which I assume is their direction here. I'm rewatching the show Ozark on Netflix,

and Marty, the accountant. He was known for reading consumer reports and just going with whatever was the most pragmatic, simple and least breakable option out there. And it's a huge part of the plot line is that he drives this Odyssey everywhere, kind of like Warren Buffett driving his everyman car. So I think maybe they're appealing to that.

Like, hey, we want people that are not politically conservative necessarily, but just conservative in how they spend their money. And I think this is less to break. It is a simple minivan. I don't want any frills. To be clear, I will say the Sienna is universally agreed to be a better car. It is in my, I've driven them both.

The sienna is way better. It has better tech. It has much better gas mileage. However, you cannot buy a sienna. Like if you or I went into a car dealership today, a Toyota dealership, they would say, the next sienna is six months away. You can give us 10 grand over, and we might be able to get it for you in three months. Would you be interested in a BZ4X?

We can give that one for the price of your spit. Oh, man. Well, that's the hot odyssey. That's the Hont Odyssey. And on the subject of refreshes, Nick, you got it a little news story. Oh, good, nice picture. Yeah, I'm a big Ford Explorer guy. I have always been.

I've owned three or four, all Gen 1s or Gen 2s. But nonetheless, I've been eagerly wanting to get my wife into a Ford Explorer. I've been waiting for the 2025 to be announced with great fanfare. And like the Odyssey, it's mostly just a small facelift on the outside. The grill's a little bit bigger. The taillights are a little different. but outside, I don't think normal people will be able to tell the difference, or if they do. It's extremely minor if they're side by side.

Inside, it's a little bit better, but again, I would call it an iteration. So I was really hoping for my, again, plug-in hybrid electric option. It's just all eco-boost. I mean, they're all fine motors, again, less to break. But I was looking for them to retake dominance of this market. They invented this market. So for them to come up with like, hey, we're still, it feels like, they went from two steps behind everyone to like a half step or maybe a first step. I don't agree that.

I think the new explore is one of the very best mid-sized SUVs. And the sales numbers, the sales numbers have been really strong. They've been selling a ton, ton, ton of these. However, I do agree with you that it's weird. There's no plug-in hybrid. You know they offer a plug-in hybrid on the police version, but not on the civilian version. Because the Lincoln model, which is called the Aviator, offers a plug-in hybrid. And I guess they want people to step up to the Lincoln if they want the plug-in hybrid. But I think it's weird also. They also have an ST line and an ST. And those are different models.

And so it's just like... So is it like Audi S line and then the S4? Yeah, how he did that and now AMG versions of non-AMG cars. But that's assuming that the ST badge brings it off clout that a S-Line would be appealing, which of course it doesn't. Big assumption. Yeah. I saw an Edge ST yesterday.

I forgot about that car. Sexy Beast. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Let's move on to our next segment, which is talking. about cars, cars, cars. I don't have much to say, but the two of you do, should we start with Ken and Zem5 problems for the fourth week in a row, or should we move on to Nick's P3.

When I got here, there's an airbox in the sink of your headquarters. It's not in the sink. It's on the counter. He brought me around with the flashlight and was going, oh, there's this leak. I found, oh, here's another new leak, and he's just, you could see him crumbling as he gave me the tour. It's not true. I knew they were there. So, Kenan, Kenan, tell us what, what's going on. So, so for those of you who haven't seen the recent podcast, about three weeks ago, Kenan told us he needed to spend $12,000

in repairs on his M5. This was after a year ago, he spent $12,000. Let me take you back, actually, to last year. He spent $12,000 repairs. 13, last year. 13 grand last year. Then we took the car to the racetrack, remember? And it had a severe fault, and he was only able to do like three laps with it,

one of which was slower than the A class. Then this year, he has to do $12,000 in service work. That was three weeks. ago on the pod. Two weeks ago he discovered another like 600 in service work, including the climate control, it failed. And now here we are, what has happened this time, Kennan. Well, you're right. You could detail the last eight and a half years I've owned it and say, oh, Kenan has done some maintenance on his car, but whatever. I've detailed the last 14 months, and the total spend was $25,000. You know, Kenan, I was reading some of the comments on the last

pod and some dude was like, Kenan's over here telling people they're insane for paying depreciation. Meanwhile, he's putting two grand a month into his Z-39M-5. Yeah, the difference is my car is a lot cooler than a Fisker Ocean. That's the difference. It's like the car. I love the car, and it's an icon, and it's cool. That's the reality of the, otherwise just taking depreciation on a car that's not special or interesting. So the point, yeah, so this week I did have, so this week was some relatively minor thing.

I will say in the last eight and a half years I've owned the car, I've never had such a period of time of intense maintenance. That's partially because it's getting older. It's 22 years old and it has 130, almost, I will hit the moon within the next couple of months of mileage. Without question, I will hit the distance. 238,900, I believe is the average distance the moon is from Earth and that's what I will hit. So what happened this week? So this week, it was a relatively minor annoying thing. So I went to unlock the car and it didn't unlock.

And I was like, oh, no. So I kept hitting the key fove and nothing unlocked. And then eventually it did unlock. I was like, oh, okay, maybe it got confused. And then eventually, it started the car, drove it, whatever. And then eventually I went through it and it just stopped. So the key battery died after 22 years, which is pretty remarkable that a battery would last that long anyway.

And so there's a guy in Los Angeles, in Torrance, who fixes them. So I sent both my master keys out to have it fixed as $60 a key. It's not just a 2039 battery off Amazon for $2. You have to send it to a guy and it's a whole key refurbishment. Yeah, every BMW of the era, you know, the BMW, diamond keys is what they're called because they're shaped like a diamond yeah they they you have if you separate them they're really delicate inside like the the way that the remote works like the antenna is really delicate the battery itself is delicate there's stuff on the board

that's delicate so there's a person you have to send it to to have it fixed or you have to replace it outright so BMW for those listening BMW designed a key that was not easy to replace when the battery inevitably worn out because they just assumed anyone they cared about was long done with this car. That's such a wild design brief. Nick, is Sam aware of this? Yeah, no, we all discussed it. And Kenan, the one guy in the world that can

do this is about to go on vacation. Oh, no, no. That's the ABS month. Kenan is trying to like overnight it to him to get it back so that he doesn't have to manually unlock the car. It's a disaster. Let me finish. So while the keys are away, I was like, which I, but

I have other keys for it. Like, I have the valet key and I have the wall key. I have all four that came with it originally. Wait, can I ask a question then? So the keys are being sent off, but because you have those extra keys, you're still drive the car because we drive. However, I decided, like, while I'm doing that, it's like,

eh, well, I, the ABS thing was really bothering me, so I pulled the ABS module off of the car yesterday and sent that out to be fixed as well. That was the issue with the traction control, where the light was coming on. So I removed that and sent that out to be repaired. That's going to be back by the end of, next week, the keys will be back by early

next week, and so the car will be functional and safe again in my mind and I'll have two functional keys again. So it is annoying. But it's just like... Wait, wait, wait, what is all this cost? What's the ABS module cost? So the ABS module shipped after tax

was $340 to have that. And plus taking it out and putting it in. Which I did myself. Yes. What is the keys cost? The keys are $60 a key. It's $120 and that's that. So like, not particularly bad.

But, you know, and again, these, like, the ABS module is something that fails on all of them because it sits above the headers and gets baked for 20 years at a time. So why is the airbox in our, in our sink? Because I had to, you have to move the airbox to, like, have better access to it. So I did. And while it's sitting in there, I'm going to clean it up later and make it perfect and then put it back in the car. When it comes, when everything comes back. I already cleaned, like, a bunch of leaks. You're going to replace them.

You're going to replace it, aren't you? The valve, no. I decided, like, the valve cover gasket leak is so minimal. It doesn't make sense to do it until it's worse because I have done them myself in the past and it's not a fun job. It's about the equivalent of like one drop of sweat. Like it's coming from a P38 that doesn't count as a leak. That's just the- Right. Yeah.

It's just like a morning dear. That's the latest with the M5. Well, there's more. So somebody saw me. This was one at the see you and Encinitas. We went to the drive in, what is it called? The Cruzean or whatever they do up there. Yeah, the Encinitas cruising night.

Very fun. And everybody should go to do that. It's a lot of cars that you, would expect that would attend something called a cruising. But there was a Lamborghini Merseaga there. That's right. And so somebody spotted this and pointed out that my fender liners come apart from the car. And they asked Kennan, they're like, why is your new fender liners coming apart from the car?

Well, it hasn't gone in for service yet. I bought them, like I did a downfield on the parts. I have all the parts. The service is in August. So it hasn't had any of the stuff that it's about to get the service. In fact, if anything, this person has actually encouraged you to do the service even more. because the hardware is missing. That's why you're doing it.

That's why I'm doing it. Yeah, it's like, thanks. I'm aware. That's why I'm doing it. And so that's the reality of the M5. I saw that picture come up and I was like, wow. But I knew you hadn't done the service yet. It's a little complicated for the audience to understand because we've been talking about it as if you have

because you've paid for a lot of it and you know what the total is going to be. Yeah. I put it down payment on the parts. I know what the labor will cost. So it's like it hasn't happened yet, but I have all the parts for it and they're sitting at 3.9. How much more while you're in there is do you think Ryan's going to find when he's getting service work done? Five grand? Yeah, I think we'll see an estimate close to 20.

20, yeah. We should take a bet me, you, Sam and Kevin. All right. On to the, assuming that's the end of the M5 problems. For this week, yes it is. On to the P38. Nick, the P38 videos have gone up, and I love them. They're doing wonderfully.

everybody seems to enjoy this experience. You drove it here today. It looks like it's behind you in your frame. Yes. Well, how's that going there? So it's an interesting segue. That dinner that Kenan and I had there at the Encinitas Cruzanite,

I paid for his dinner. And the reason I paid for his dinner was that the previous week, I was driving home and the car just died in the middle of an intersection. And I don't mean like cut off. Like, there was not even a semblance. Like I couldn't put my hazards on.

I couldn't get out of park to put it in a neutral to move it. Like, it just was completely, completely dead. So Kenan comes in the E-39 and rescues me with his BMW-branded rescue kit that he has every piece for, because, of course, he does. It turns out that the fuse box basically had a loose connection, and so that was just killing the power to the entire car. Were you able to figure that out roadside, or did you have to get it to... It took about half an hour, but the great thing about the P-38 is everyone has had problems with them

and documented them on their forum. So it was like, okay, it's either the battery or the fusebox connection. And I was pushing down on the fusebox connection in the middle of an intersection. And as I'd push down, it would temporarily get light. Then I would release, so then it would turn off and like kept flickering, basically.

It's kind of sitting in there in linen pants being like, what is he doing? And meanwhile, I probably could have electrocuted myself. But I was just more concerned about getting it out of the intersection than I was my own safety. This happened in, like, North Park. San Diego at night. And it happened after Kenan was like,

oh, good luck getting home. And I'm like, no, this car sorted. I took my toolkit out. Like, I know it's reliable at this point. And it, like, it heard me and wanted to prove me wrong. It was fine. When was that? That was a couple weeks ago.

It's been fine since then. Like a week ago. It did that one more time because I thought I fixed it. And it was still a little loose. But since then, it's been pretty good. I have a check engine light that keeps coming back as well. So I feel the E39 pain, but it's just a, it's like an emissions thing. So I'm desperately trying to get it past smog.

For those outside of California, California makes you smog things in order to sell them. And I want to be able to sell it to someone within California potentially. There is no way that car is going to pass smog. It's very close. What does that mean? It just means if I could get this check engine light to go away, it will pass. Like the O2 sensors. You haven't even hooked it up to any of the, the 10.

Like, you can't even go to a small station right now because the check engine lights on. So when you say it's very close, what you mean is you're close to being able to try. Well, I tried once and I failed. That's how I learned that the check engine light had burned out or stopped functioning in the first place. And he gave me a list of all the other things preventing it. So I crossed off everything on that list other than the check engine light for this P1412 and P1415, which is, I believe, the SAI system, which is an emissions thing. So I have an appointment Monday to try to get that sorted out.

I'm committed to getting this through smog. So stay tuned. Where are you getting it? Where are you having an appointment? Surely not the person that took six months with it. No, the guy, Levan or Ramon or whatever. I was at the intersection and someone said to check them out. So we're going for that.

Okay. But the video series has been incredibly fun. I really appreciate everyone leaving comments and feedback. Even my wife, like we're like going through and reading it all at night. But I've had a blast and like the editors at cars and bids have done a great job at making me look like I know what I'm doing for a little bit of it. But please check it out. For those of you who've seen these, like Nick is not like a spire. Nick has a job.

Like he's not like in a spy. He just is a guy I know who makes crazy car decisions. And I was like, we really ought to throw him on the screen. And so it's, you know, it's just been an experience more or less. It was a life raft after I accidentally bought a P38. So I appreciate it. And yes, I'm an econ major. And so a lot of YouTubers will do these DIY projects.

So then their DIY project is like, oh, I put the car on a lift, and I had the owner of this company fly in to install the part. And like, that's not DIY. Like, I'm in there, like, YouTube in one hand trying to reiterate their steps. And multiple times I fail. And I'm like, I had to take it into an exhaust shop with strip bolts or burn marks on my arm, just still there from trying to. Yeah, that was also O.

two sensor removal related. He just showed up the cars and coughing. It was like, oh, yeah, by phone. It's just a grotesque wound. It's definitely going to scar. But, like, I'm really, like, a DIY person here and using shops when I, when I fail. But it's great irony of this smog thing, Kenon, is that the entire time I've known, Nick, he's never given a damn about trying to get a car smogged.

I mean, he's become like a personal vendetta. Like, in the past, he's just kind of like lived through it and registered elsewhere or whatever. And now it's like he's really. You've influenced him. You've influenced him to be legit and register the car. You'll at least get it registered in the state of California. I'll never be legit, but the car may be. It'll be one level removed from it.

But you're a lot closer. I get a lot of compliments on the Montana plate with the two dogs with glasses on them and P38 as the three letters on it. You're like a quirky professor. Something. God, what a complete and utter disaster the P38 is. And I'm excited for you to try to. sell it with us. It's coming up. I think we've got maybe three-ish episodes left and then it'll go live with no reserve. So if you've been in the market for one, you'll have one that's

running most of the time. Do you think a lot of people are? No. No, I agree. Okay, we've got to move on to the market report, market report, market report. Today's market report is brought to you by cars and bids, which is the finest automotive online automotive online automotive auction platform. Kenan, you got any cars and bids related things to say? No cost to sellers. Again, I've forgotten to ask Felipe, again, what he wants us to say, but something along those lines. No cost to sellers yesterday, we sold a 9-11 in front of an airplane. Something to think about.

You see those pictures? Yes, I did. Cars and bids. You got to go to sold. Sold it is. Right there. Nick, you see this 9-11 from an airplane? That's amazing.

Yeah. Anyway, Cars and Bids is sponsoring the market report, and actually the whole podcast, because this is the Cars and Bids podcast. There's a couple of things that I want to talk about on this pod, but one of them is that the Land Cruiser, can I pull up the Zero Mile 100 series Land Cruiser? And you guys aren't into Land Cruisers,

but I want to have this conversation anyway for the few people out there who care about this. We just know sailed this Brown Land Cruiser here. What did it get up to? It got up to some crazy number. It's been to 78.5. Wow. So this is a special car. The 100 series was the Land Cruiser that was sold from 1998 to 06.

And for the first two model years, 98 and 99 only, it was offered with both a center locker, which was standard on all of them, and a rear locker, which was an option only for those two model years. And this car had the rear locker. And it also has 7,000 miles. The market has not yet decided to appreciate this car to the level that the seller does. I think that long term, this goes down as the very best land cruiser ever created. Having owned the 200 series, which is the next gen, and discovering that it has some fatal flaws, reliability, size, it's just a little too exotic and a little too complicated.

And I also owned an 80 series, the previous gen, which is a kind of rough, getting to be not very nice car to own in the modern era. And it's slow. The 100 series, the 98-06 model, is like, to me, the sweet spot. And the 4.7-Lenr V8 that was in the 100 series was the reliable Land Cruiser engine. It has more power than the 80-series motor, which is also very reliable. It's not as powerful as the 200 motor, which is problematic. But it's like the perfect sweet spot. And so to me, like, this is kind of the perfect 100-ser-the-very-two last model years also.

They gave it a power bump and some extra features. And so those are really desirable, too. The 06 is 0-7s. But I think that long-term, the car enthusiast community will view the 100-series. as the best U.S. market land cruiser, and specifically the 0607s and the 9899s with the rear locker as like the one to have. And I bet this becomes a $100, $150,000 car someday. But right now the market still kind of used the 100 series as a used car.

But I think that's going to change. And this is the one to have. $150,000. Absolutely. $150,000. You really think that. Really nice 80 series already sell for that. and the 100 series is going to end up.

Long term, the market will value the 100 series is a better car. This is a $150,000 car in 10 years. Yes, I believe that. That's a great nuanced intellectual take. Sean, can you ear a muffin it for me? The problem is it's brown. Nobody wants a brown car, okay? It might be worth 150.

This car, 75. No, this car is special, and this car is going to go down. I promise you, the 100 will be looked at as the best laying. cruiser and the 0607s and the 9899s with rear lockers will be looked at as the best of the best the cream of the best the cream of the crop and this one has 7,000 miles it is the cream of the crop and it's brown yeah but it's cool they didn't offer that color for long now nick's gonna say it's because it's ugly but it's cool it's like the new TRD pro color mud you oh god you mark my words the hundred series that's a little 100 series rant I know you guys don't care about language but there

What would people reading you do? That's not true. I do care about Land Cruiser. I just happen to worship at the altar of the 70s series. But I'm going to put a, after this, I'm going to put a reminder on my calendar on my calendar 10 years from today. And we will check back on Land Cruiser values. And if you're wrong, I'm adding it to the list of things you're wrong about.

And if you're right- You don't understand. 80 series with this mileage already sold for 150. This is, it wouldn't be weird for this to happen. Yeah, there's been some pretty impressive results. I think your take is spot on in terms of why this card. You're just early. You're not wrong. you're early. Yeah, I'm early. The market, this sale was early. The guy trying to sell it was

early. The market just doesn't value the car there yet, but they will. And anybody who's actually spent time in one of these doesn't want an 80 or a 200. They want 100. They think they want an 80 or 200, but really they just want 100. Also, hundreds are just way more plentiful. So there's way more parts availability, way more support. 80s are getting old, not as much. 200s are just weren't as many. They have complexities. Anyway, that's my land cruiser rant. Next, we will move on to Kenan and the Audi R8. Yes, so we've sold a number of Audi R8s recently. However, this one really...

What is the deal with that, by the way? I'm just on a run of them. Of both generations, of Coupes, as fighters. But the one that I really liked, we talked briefly about it a little bit, I think, last week, was this. So this is an Audi R8 GT. They only built 333 of these,

but this one had a six-speed manual conversion, which makes it very compelling, because otherwise they're all S-Tronic, right, I believe, was the good, I always mess that up. S-Tronic was the preface left with the... Dual clutch. But yeah, this one sold for $107,000,

which to me feels like quite a deal to be click-clacking in a V-10 convert in a special version of an already pretty special car. To be clear, though, about the transmission, wasn't the GT the non-dual clutch? Yeah, it was the R-Tronic. It was the R-Tronic.

It was the R-T even works. So that makes this even more appealing. Yeah. But pretty wild stuff. Now this one had 36,000 miles on it, and I believe it had, I think it had, no, no accidents. It had wheels probably didn't.

The wheels didn't aid it, yeah. And the front emblem had been removed, but still. There's another GT that's all, like, GTs are selling for 100 plus or minus, which is wild, considering they sold new for double that before inflation, but also just what a value you're getting in terms of like a numbered car, V10,

like just special, really special yeah and this car especially I think that the I think that the this car had like you said wheels some other cosmetic stuff and the ECU tune I think if this car had been like totally stock with only

the stick swap it would have been a really really hot car yeah I didn't love the stock GT wheels but that's a sidebar it's fine that's true neither did I right but here's a chance for somebody to get some stockies put those on there get the tune off and you're good I mean I look at it I had a a gen one R8. It was the V8, not the V10, but six speed. It had 75,000 miles on it and was just a champ.

I mean, you could actually daily drive it. It was comfortable. Yes, the interior was mostly Audi TT and A3 parts, but it was just such a great car. And I kind of both Sam and I, who also had a Gen 1R8, look back at those cars and say, like, we miss them certainly for that price point. I mean, if you go back to just the regular ones, they're as low as like 60, maybe even 50s depending on miles to like 80 buys you a really solid one and I don't think there's a better value in terms of you've got the exotic supercar look and then you've got the german v8 like reliability it's pretty compelling also one of the thing that i find interesting about r8s if you type in outy r8 to our search bar and then search by lowest price one of the interesting things

you'll find is that the cheapest ones are not the most recent ones which is the case for almost every other car because the market is slowing. I don't think the RA market is slowing. I think the R.A. market is actually doing quite the opposite. I think there's become more interest in this car for whatever reason. As prices have gotten into the high 50s, low 60s for the earliest ones, people are saying that's a bargain. And they're actually, this market, as all the other markets, broadly speaking, are dropping. The R8 market to me seems to be shockingly strong, at least on our side. Well, I mean, for 60, it's a 996 turbo. I mean, there's not a lot of alternatives at that price point. get a loan one this neat.

I know, and we've sold some gated six speeds right around. Like, it's not like there's a massive, like there is in Ferraris, like $100,000 price difference for Tip versus manual. We sold the gated six speed here for 59. I mean, I don't know what the title status is, but there's a few of these, like, low 60s, gated manual cars. Yep, this one. Yeah, it is wild.

And they are just great cars. I mean, every time you guys would go out in the two of them specifically, like people lost their minds. Like, that was, it's a good. This one especially because it's the Ironman spec. But, yeah, like, Normies understand this car and think it's cool. It is a usable, exotic car in a way that very few other cars are. Like a 9-11 is a usable sports car, but it's not really exotic in the way that an R-A-do.

It's funny. I also submitted this as a new story for the same reason, but also the Gen 2s are getting cheaper. So on a car track maybe a couple of years ago, Ed Bolian got, I believe, a salvage title one, or one with like a lot of drama to it because it was in the low 100. That's not what clean ones are doing. Yeah, we sold one a couple days ago for $1.15. That's right. Yeah, it's starting to become a good value too,

and maybe that keeps dropping. I don't know, but that's a five. That had 540 horse and all-wheel drive. I remember when it came out, I did a review of one. We did launch control, and it felt like the fastest thing in the world. I remember that video so well. You were like, you were really cheeszing in that one. You were like losing your mind how good it was.

And it wasn't just you. It was Chris Harris. Yeah, it was really a fast car back then. in the days before like electric got insane and etc etc um Nick I'm curious also you submitted another new story another market report story you submitted is Bentley Cottenetal GT. I'm a little nervous about that it's mostly because I'm just watching them so closely myself they have just been transacting so consistently in the mid 20s for an earlier one and like 50 to 60 for the V8s that it's just it's surprising I mean what a what a deal and like

It doesn't seem like that the headaches involved justify that being quite the bargain bin pricing it is. Don't you think that this is going to just have all the Audi reliability problems of like early 2000s outies but like worse because it's a Bentley and... Maybe the P38 has desensitized me a little bit, but I don't think the Audi reliability issues of that era were that bad. Yes, there were things. It's nowhere near.

We're not putting airboxes and kitchen sinks of offices. Yes, you will. Absolutely. I had a B5. That car had so many problems. I will never forget with my B5A4, which was just a 2.8, the only reliable engine that car had.

Nonetheless, sometimes I would start it and it would turn on and the check engine light would be flashing. And if you looked that up in the manual and say drive directly to shop, and then I would turn the car off and immediately turn it back on and there would be no check engine light at all.

And that was my experience with an early 2000s out. That was a 90s era of Audi product though. These are like 2010 era. It's a little different. It came on 03 or 04. You're crazy. It's probably questionable.

It's a great thorough rental at the very least, which is what I did, and that's why I'm like on this Bentley Coninental GT kick. But I just think the consistency, these are like nicely photographed, other than that VW. Turing wheel looks really nice on the inside. I'm just into it and I'm surprised at how frequently you can buy them consistently for the same price. Why are you surprised at that? Yeah.

Because you would just either. That's like logic. Like, just why? It just doesn't make sense to me. I guess there's just a lot of them. They made a lot of them. People who want luxury cars want the newest, hottest thing. They don't want an old one.

It's like a lot of really rich people trade out of them every year. They are missing out. And the reliability does not help. Don't forget that there's a lot of Fiatin in this car from Volkswagen. You're saying that like a negative? That is a negative. It was not a reliable. Canaan that one you have up is pretty compelling.

Super, oh my, unmotified. I mean, yeah, horrible and like very gray interior, though. But yeah. For your upkeep of an E39M5, you could be rolling around in this. Yeah, and then for four times the upkeep, you could be able to keep it on the road. Can I ask you a question because I'm nervous about this? I've been told, maybe I shouldn't reveal this, but I've been told that post P38, you want to do another episode of your Nick buys a stupid car and does stupid things.

Are we anxiously to assume that this is a contender or perhaps the car that you're going to be choosing? It's a contender. The Arnage tea is a contender and the Maserati Quattroporte are contenders. So that being said, like any, I'm on Facebook marketplace probably every hour and a half. So whatever pops up, that is the best worst example of said vehicles is likely to be the culprit. Even better than that, my Ferrari mechanic had one that came in. had so many issues. They were like,

the quote they gave the guy to repair it was like outrageous because it had so many problems. So the guy took the car back and Nick was like, hey, can you get in touch with that guy? So I can buy that one? Yeah, a mechanics lean. I had my eye on one that was a DUI repossession. Then I was like, oh, this would be perfect.

But I'm looking for something that needs a little TLC. Oh, my God, Nick. Not Nick. I think that this P-38 thing went better than it should have and has emboldened you in a way that I'm nervous about. Let's put it that way. Well, we'll learn our lesson eventually, but... Eventually, we'll learn our lesson.

I want to make this clear to everybody. Doug leaves town to go to the East Coast for the summer, and when he does, we all just make horrible decisions. I buy ridiculous shirts. Nick decides he wants to buy, you know, mechanic-leam range over or mazoradis. It's quite a melee of bad decisions. Hey, Nick, did you go back to the search results page for sold Continental GTs,

go back one? Just get in CottonelGT. Did you look at that? It's a beautiful car, and it's got the twin turbo W-12. And it didn't have that many miles and it was in the middle of the country. 25. Yeah, no, it was on my watch list. I don't think I bet on it, but I've been kind of popping in here and there to do so. So I've been flirting with danger here. It's going to happen probably by accident again, but I'm looking forward to it.

That one looks nice. I'm looking to read the pictures around it. It looks pretty good. That would have been a cool. That is a yawning spec vehicle. Yeah. That interior is 10 times better than the silver one. Yeah, easily. We're running a sailboat over the weekend.

That would be perfect. We now have to move on to the Q&A section. Q&A, Q&A, questions and answers. Remember, you too can ask us questions. If you go to carsandbids.com and click on the community tab, we will have a post for this week's podcast and we will answer the highest uploaded questions regardless of what they are, even if they are stupid.

And a couple of these, this week's questions are stupid. And we're going to answer them anyway because that's what we've promised. But please ask questions because we love to answer them here. And this week you get Nick answered. in addition to me and Kenan. So the first question was from Finn Ott, and it was, Kenan, why are your brand new wheel liners missing hard ride?

Ah, so it was you. It was you, Finn, I don't hold it against you personally. You are absolutely correct. That is the reason why. How did you find the pictures if it wasn't from the community tab? Did he send him to you somehow? I guess so. I don't know.

Our production team found it, though, but that is without question, my car. I'm folding the mirrors, flexing on everybody that they work still. But nonetheless, yeah, the parts are ordered. They're here. It's just I'm scheduling, I'm having the car work done while I'm at Car Week, and then I go to the East Coast a little bit to see Doug. And so while I'm away, the car is going to be working on. They come back and it will be done.

And hopefully I don't have to touch it again maintenance twice for a little while. When you come back, it'll be three weeks from being done with another six grand and additional service. Okay, next question. I'm not wrong. Next question from Drew IV. That's Drew the fourth. After watching the Demon 170 review, it harkened back to Doug's near mishap, which leads to, me to the question. If Doug

indeed encountered a mishap during a review would it make the final video cut. The mishap is a great story. Do you remember this, Nick? Well, I saw it in the video for the 170, which was great, but I don't remember it in period. Many years ago, I filmed a Hellcat when it very first came out.

This was 10 years ago, and it had just come out, and I wasn't used to driving cars that much power. Not that many people were at the time, seven horsepower, pretty serious. And we reviewed it, me and Felipe, believe it or not, went up to Central Pennsylvania on a wet day, and we reviewed it, and I just floored it at one point and the back end got out and we almost lost the car and crash

and the Hellcat had just come out like it would have been a big deal and believe it or not that car was owned by Street Speed 717 who like went on to make a successful and popular YouTube channel but at the time he was like a guy who had reached out to me and then you know had a car and I almost killed Mike who was his name I almost killed him and me and Felipe and everything would be different anyway the answer the question was

if you encountered a mishap during a review, would it make the final video cut? Probably, I don't know. It depends what it is. I've never had anything happen. I'm incredibly cautious with the cars, especially the super high value ones. The press cars, I'm less cautious of,

and occasionally something will happen to a press car. I've curbed wheels, and I'm trying to think if anything else has happened, but there have been, like, little things of press cars here and there. I had a McLaren press car. That's 750s I had a few months ago. They accused me of scraping underneath it. which I did not do.

And they were like, yeah, it looks like you did it. I'm like, do you mean you did it on the way to my house when you were dropping it off and now you're trying to play me for it? But other than that, it was a wild conversation too. I was like, I didn't take this anywhere. Like, I have supercars. I drove this just to review it and then I parked it. And they were like, yeah, it looks like you scraped it.

I'm like, I did, I absolutely did not scrape it. But whatever. They're probably just so tired of having to make a really expensive insurance claims after journalists in general use it because journalists are not nice to press cars at all. No, they're not. Maybe it was something like that. But, well, I'm glad you did not crash the Hellcat that day.

I remember that video very well. But I'm glad nothing has happened to you too. You also did a great video talking once about how your insurance, like structure worked, how you were one of the only journalists that was making YouTube videos who had this crazy insurance to cover all the cars. And I think that was very admirable. I'm glad you've never had to use that. And, you know, when I got that insurance, we were only able to find it because we had some specialty insurance kind of made for us.

And we only were able to get that done because the insurer had already made a specialty insurance policy for another YouTube channel, which is donut media. And let's hope that they have insurance against their creators living. Okay, next question. Dang, wow. Just kidding. I'm just kidding. Sort of. I don't know. All right. Next question.

Wow. Next question. This one from Amintron. what's the best engine that deserved a better chassis? I'll tell you, the answer is the Pennistar V6, that Chrysler 200S really didn't. I was watching that back the other day. That's true.

No, what is the answer? I thought about this a little, but I couldn't really come up with a good one. We had a great one at dinner the other night, which is the Gen 1 Viper. Came with a V-10 and a weak chassis in 96. They kept the Gen 1 body, but they revised the chassis.

And a fellow Viper owner, I'm not fellow, I don't own one, a Viper owner was like, you've got to get the 96, the ones before that, the chassis is so terrible. It doesn't matter that it costs 20 grand more. Spend that 20 grand for the better chassis

because then you get the best of both worlds. And I don't and I want three spokes. Verbatim what I said. He said you can swap the three spokes. And he's like, oh, you can do this and add these mods to add sidepipes and it's like, you're missing the point here. I don't want to do any of that.

You're missing the point. I totally agree. That chassis wasn't so bad. I've driven general wipers. They're fine. They're not amazing, but, like, that's not what you're looking for. No, I'm going to, like, cruise. Like, I'm just going to drive around and mess around with a V10 convert.

What comes to mind for me is, like, muscle, classic muscle class. 67 Mustang, my God, it is a terrible driving experience. But you could put a 351 in there, and it sounds cool. It gives you all the right feelings. And then you turn the wheel, nothing happens, and it's squishy and rolly. Like, a lot of the older cars, they need a chassis swap. Yeah Mazda CX7

New the Ford Ranger that just went out of production Those are good ones Okay I don't have any Really great answer to this Yeah I don't

I don't either The 400 I think we talked about last week That's pretty great People swap those into 330p4 replicas That's a much better application For that engine

Yeah that's a good one Usually it's the other way around Usually there's a chassis That could use a better engine Yes I think the Uris needs a chassis swap with a 4x4 squared. Lift it, portal axles, you know, something like that, maybe. That would have been cool.

I think they should have done that, and I think that was a huge mistake. But Lamborghini makes mistakes. Not back when they were making our cars, I'm all right. That's right. I got your voice there. Okay, next question from God send. Maybe you guys have covered this, but how did you all meet? Kenan, tell the story of our meeting.

It's a long one. So it comes back to the almighty E-39M-5, as with all things with me do. So Doug was driving back across the country. I believe it was your sister-in-law got married in California, and you were driving back across the country in the Asin Martin V.A. Advantage. You wanted to make a thing of it. You drove out, drove the career GT for the first time, made an amazing video on that one. And then you were driving back, and when you were driving back,

you set a series of meetups along the way, where fans could come and meet. And you weren't really sure if anybody would show up, but lots of people did. And one of the ones that you were going to do was between Cleveland and Philadelphia, we lived at the time, Chicago and Philadelphia, we lived at the time. Cleveland was like the city to stop,

and you set one up there. And so all my friends and I got in our M5s, I think it was four or five E-39 M-Fives and an E-60 M-5, and we went up to meet you. And when I got there, I noticed there was a vibration in the car that was not normal.

And I thought maybe I picked up some rubber on the road or whatever, but I was driving along, and then I got to the parking lot where you were, I put it in reverse and it went, pop. And I was like, that sounded really expensive. But nonetheless, I wanted to meet Doug. So I went over and I met him and said hello, we were talking for a little bit and talking to other people there.

And to be clear, there were many, many people there. I mean, if it wasn't for the next part of the story, I think Kenan would have just been another, you know, face in the crowd. But continue. But then I was like, at some point I got to go see what's wrong with the M5. And so I go over, start it. Start it. It starts fine.

I'll put it in gear. I move forward. It goes, ka-ching, kaching. Kachink. And I'm like, oh, it's not going home under its own power. So I had to call a tow truck. Now, at this point, the sun is going down. It's getting darker.

There's still lots of people hanging out talking to Doug. And this bright yellow tow truck with all of these lights shows up. It parks right from the M5. And everybody just flocked over to the M5. And Doug is there. He's saying, I have to get pictures of this thing to send to my friends. They think it's the greatest car ever made. And here it is.

And it's natural habitat on the back of a flat thing. And it got towed up on the truck. My friend Ryan has footage of this because he, like, filmed the whole thing. That's great. But Doug actually was very sweet. He offered to, like, drive me home. He felt so bad that I had to go through this. And I said, no, no, it's fine.

I've got, you know, I've got my cohort of E339 and five owners I can ride home with, but thank you. And then after that, I contacted him to do some marketing stuff with us at, like, the exotic car conveyor. And that was one of the things I mentioned to him, and he remembered who I was, because, my car was the only car at any of the meetups that he went to that broke down. So the unreliability of the E395 is something I put up with, but it got me one of my best friends and I get to work your cars and visit as a result of that too. I'm trying to scroll back to my phone to see if I still have the picture. I could probably find the date for you, but I would need a second to track it down what it was.

It was in August of 16. Nick and I met because our wives were together. It's actually not as interesting of a story. Oh, here's the trip. Kenan, I'm going to find this. I'm going to find this picture. I've never seen that picture of it, to be clear. I've seen the footage of it going up on the truck.

I have pictures of, I think. German Salt Lake, here I'm in Colorado, Idaho. I'm coming. He also got a picture of a bison on that trip with the Aston Martin, very famously. Very proud, one of his more proud automotive accomplishments. That is one of my proudest moments. I got a picture of my ass with a bison, and everybody's over like, I drive my cars.

I'm like, yeah, you don't do this. I bet you don't drive your car. A bison. All right, here I'm in Chicago. Oh, my God. Kenan, look, look. There it is. That's it.

Wow. There is the almighty. This is at Severance Town Center in September of 2016. Wow. Do you believe this? Yeah, and that's, yeah, that's Ryan's car. That's my friend Jeff's car next to that. Yeah.

There it is. There it is. Oh, God. What I didn't tell you was the next day, they dropped it off at the wrong service place, left the keys in it and just, like, ditch the car. And I had to go find where it was and take it to my, like, mechanic.

I actually have these pictures. How amazing is that? That's incredible. That was almost eight years ago. It'll be eight years ago in two months. What's amazing too is your friends with all the people that you went to with that. You're still friends today. You're friends with Doug today.

I've met most of my friends post college through the car community, which is wild. And I had like different eras of life where I had my Audi VW club back in Tempe, Arizona. And I like, four ring racers. Shout out. Yeah. It's changed.

a few times, but like other than daycare, I think cars have been the number one way for me to meet people. It's really a, it's a special and cool thing. Right. And look at you now. Now you got a yellow range rover and a Lamborghini Mercy Lago. And you know, I was thinking, I was sitting on the beach yesterday, taking stock of my life, Nick. And I was thinking to myself, if it wasn't for me and Sam and Kenan, but I'm going to specifically say me, you would not have that Lamborghini Merseilago. There was no way you would have stepped up and been like, I'm going to get a Mercilago. If it, if it was with without the influence of others. Peer pressure is definitely my Achilles heel.

And you figured out the biggest exploit of all, which is it's not direct peer pressure, it's reverse psychology. So you won't do this. You won't step up and actually buy one. And I was like, hey, Doug, can you introduce me to Ed Bolian to see if he has any off market ones? And you're like, I'm not going to waste Ed's time.

You're not serious. And nothing could be more motivating to me than you doing that. And I'm like, it was like within a week I had bought one. You had panic bought one just as you had panic sold your previous car. That's right. That's right. So that's how we met. Felipe was a viewer.

And he sent me an email. When I moved to Philadelphia, he was already living there. And he sent me an email. And he was like, hey, I'm into cars too. You want me to meet up. And back then I met up with a lot of people just randomly. And he was one of them. And he's kind of the one that stuck the most.

And he's been around for 10 years of my life now. Wow. And I love him dearly. And now he lives a couple blocks from me. and he brings in the mail, you know, when I'm out of town. So it's Kenan. It works. We all live a couple blocks from one another.

It's wild. Except Nick who lives. Nick who lives allegedly 30 minutes away, but it's like an hour. I was in the hood two days ago at Felipe's house. That's true. And the week before that, your range over broke down not far. All right. Next question from Double Power 206.

Two-part question. Who is the best host from Top Gear and who is your favorite host from Top Gear? Oh, easy for me. James May. I love James so much. I think he just is, I think he's hilarious. He's also like, you know, Richard and Jeremy were more showy, but James just would come up with perfect one-liners. It would just like nail something funny every time. I just think he's one of the all-time greats and automotive icon. Who's your name? I've never watched the show. What? I mean, I've seen a couple clips. Are you being serious?

I'm familiar of top year. Yeah, I like missed the boat and now like going back to watch it just seems. too intimidating. I feel like the... Are you out of your mind? You haven't watched Top Gear? I mean, if I had to pick a favor, it would be Joey from Friends, but I'm kidding on that. Although I do like Matt LeBlanc. This was one of the greatest shows, the greatest era of car. What are you talking?

I've seen some clips. I need to go back and start, but like there's so many episodes, like, where do you start? At the beginning, just go out of time. I don't have from the beginning. I would start from like one of the cheap car challenges or like the Toyota pick up destruction or something. I've seen some episodes here and there. Like I get some of the premise.

But yeah, I'm kind of, I missed it. I'm sorry. I can't believe that anybody who's our age who's into cars. You know, that was the most popular television show in the world. Not just car-related television show. We didn't have BBC in Ohio. I'm not sure what the reason is. We lifted on.

We all watched it on Street Fire. We all watched it on Street Fire. I, uh, I was for a long time, I was abstaining from watching it too. I was like, I know cars. These guys don't know cars. And then I watched a couple episodes. That was it. I watched every single.

I mean, I was obsessed. I couldn't stop. That was years. I mean, that was 10 plus years ago. Nick just has these things that I just have. That's wild. Honestly,

I never heard of my life. It's a shameful secret that I'm like afraid to even mention in public because like it's just so how did I miss this? But yeah, that's did you? That's my jury. Especially because like we're making car content. Like this, this is,

we're all, everyone who's making car content today. whether they admitted or not, is a fragment of top, is inspired by or a child of, or, you know, in some senses, Top Gear has influenced them, period, regardless of what they say. It's like current music and jazz, am I right? Whether they know it or not, it's inspired. My answer, by the way, I can't pick a favorite. It's begging the question, but I think that those three guys together with the chemistry was so unbelievable.

And I don't think either of them individually was particularly great. But I think the three of them together were probably the greatest thing, like the greatest combo of three people that has ever been put together on camera in the entire history of cameras. Yeah, that's indeatable. I think that that is absolutely true that they were, there was lightning in a bottle. It really was.

Their chemistry is just perfect. That's what I love James May's individual programs are pretty great too. But yeah, no, I see your point totally. The very last question, very last question, this one comes from Porsche 997 Turbo. The question is, what was the best nameplate revival in the automotive industry? What was the best nameplate revival in the automotive industry? Ford GT. Give us a better one.

Yeah, Ford GT is pretty good. It wasn't an 812 super fast. So there's a lot of bad ones, but... There's a lot of bad ones. The Chevy Blazer is the worst. Yeah. Well, the Dodge DART wasn't great either. Although the original dart wasn't great.

Like, the original Blazer is cool as hell. And then they came out with the new one, which is literal utter front-wheel drive-ground. Career GT might be one because that was a model that existed previously. 924, that's a damn good revival. They took a pure trim level from the 924, which was developed to be a Volkswagen, and they turned into the greatest supercar of all time. Am I right, Nick? Virtual fist bump.

For our mainstream car, I think the Bronco was a pretty good job. Bronco is good ones. Yeah, the Bronco is a good one. Bronco sport not as good, but I still like it. Remember when they brought back the Torres name played after the 500? That was something. Yeah. That was something.

Bronco was actually a really good one. They really did it right in a way. no one was expecting them to. Remember when the Defender came back and we all thought they did it right with the Defender? Then it just kind of waned out. But like the Bronco seems like it sustained that fanfare past the like. And we're still sell crazy though. They're still killing it.

And it's now five years. You know that Defender has been out for five years? I still remember when you couldn't get a door for it because it was so new. I think that's still the case. That's just a Land Rover manufacturing featured. But they're more junkers now. You can probably go find one. That's true.

I'm so glad I'm out of that car. And you know, I see one-thirties. It's such a popular car here. I see one-thirties around and I'm like, I just, this is the heinest haine in the history of haine. Like, that is truly the ugliest car on sale. A backpack wearing a SUV. It looks like a defender wearing a backpack.

What else was a great nameplate revival? I think 4GT's got to be the winner. Come on. They literally, they brought it back as a super cool. Like, that's so cool. I'm talking about the 05 specifically, not the 17. We know. We know.

I'm sure the commenters are going wild with something really obvious that we missed. Kenan, I know you're a big Ferrari, California fan. It's a revival of sorts. How about the, here's a bad one. How about Mondial? Oh, yeah, from the 500 Mondiol. It's like the won two world championships, and then they bring it back and put it on a four-seater,

two-trunk, convertible, floppy vehicle. A lot of people don't know that there was an original Mondial, but there was a very successful original Montyale race car. NSX was a great revival. Am I right? Yeah. I'm talking to two people from Ohio here. Have some pride in your state.

Made in our home state. Yeah, I'm really struggling. I'm sticking with career. I'm sticking with career GT as a wild one, but. I think we've come up with a lot of the good ones. I think those were those were a lot of the good ones. And with that, that's our final question and our final. answer and our final everything. This was the best podcast we've ever recorded. Nick, any parting

thoughts? I got nothing. If you got a quadruz, Nick is in the mark. Throw me your, I would love comments. Please do check out the P38 series on the Cars and Bids channel. If you're not subscribed, you should be. Not just me. Kenan had a great episode with Felipe on a box, a regular boxer versus the spider. There's a lot of fun stuff there. I watch pretty much every one of Doug's videos, but the Cars and Bids video has more variety and is experimenting a lot. So leave your feedback and please check out the P38 series. It's been a hot mess, as you would expect, but it's been a lot of fun. So there'll be more coming.

All right. Thank you, Nick. I agree with all that. The P38 videos are the best videos we're doing right now. Goodbye, everyone. Thank you for participating. Goodbye. Goodbye.