THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Cheap Cars are Going Extinct. Doug Calls Out the Purists! CyberTruck Success?

Episode Date: September 20, 2024

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and welcome to this car pod. I'm back in the studio along with Nick. And Fulipo. Kenan is out of town. Kenan has gone to Ohio. And to prove that yesterday, he texted me a picture of a Dodge Viper, which is what they have in Ohio. And so we are here and we are going to carry on the podcast without him. Let's start with the news.

There's an AutoZAM. Okay. This was a topic over the summer. The state of Massachusetts, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Right. said that K-cars were no longer legal to register. Massachusetts isn't the only state that's done this. North Carolina did it, Texas did it, Maine, Georgia.

It's been a problem. It's been an issue. And there was an outcry in Massachusetts, and they have reversed their position. K-cars are now re-legal to register, but they say that they've reversed their position temporarily while they take a look at it. The K-car ban is interesting, I think,

because they're just trying to protect people from themselves. The K-cars don't cause any potential harm to others. Right. Quite the opposite, in fact. Yeah. The rationale is that they're not safe enough. Conforming. Of course, every car in Massachusetts more than 10 years old is rusted through and is therefore also not safe.

Well, they have a pretty strict safety inspection. It's an interesting thing that has happened, this whole banning of K-cars thing, which has really kind of swept. What happened was the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators issued a guidance that DMVs should start banning K-cars. Not imported cars, just K cars. Because they're too small. The problem is the DMVs are not sophisticated enough to understand what is a K car and what isn't a K car. And adding the step of having the DRMV in this case, worker, go outside with you and like examine the sizing. A lot of them are just like, if it's a short van, Japanese van, we're just not going to accept it.

And so that's what a lot of them have done. But Massachusetts reversed its stance. And that was the fear is that it was a slippery slope for all JDM cars and the skyline's also getting shot down. I think some of us, and I'm not going to name names, but some of us were kind of like, eh, K cars. But it is a slippery slope because then Massachusetts apparently refused to register a skyline, thinking that it had a short business, it's a Japanese car, it's part of the edict, that makes you kind of worry.

Well, it was also interesting. In Georgia, they revoked titles. They revoked titles, which is interesting. And Maine did that too. It was like, okay, you had a car, you imported legally. You had got it titled in the state legally. And then all of a sudden you can't legally drive. It was so concerned from that perspective.

Typical government, you know, everybody, a bunch of BS red tape, and a lack of understanding on their part. But there is, I think, a reasonable argument that K-cars are kind of scary things. But the people are taking on the risk themselves, unless maybe it's a passenger who doesn't realize. I mean, that's the argument I guess they would make. It doesn't make any sense to me. What about motorcycles? What about three-wheelers? Like, it's no less safe than.

Are they going to ban, what is it called, KTM Expos? No, what are those ridiculous three-wheelers that you like? The Polaris Slingshot. blowing a third sink shot. I'm more of a Morgan guy, but point taken, right? He likes the automatic slings shot. Go back to your 60s cars. People are allowed to drive those on the road. They're not safe if you get in an accident. That's a great point. And so it's kind of silly to just make an arbitrary decision, especially because the federal government has already made a decision, which is the cars can't come over until they're 25 years old. That's a safety requirement.

Is it? Well, this is a whole other topic that we don't need to get into right now. It's a safety. It is for, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is sure. it is a protectionist thing for automakers, not just one automaker, but many automakers. But in theory, it's a safety thing. Like the cars, once they're 25 years old, it's a collectible car, you can import it because you're enthusiast, as opposed to importing a non-conforming car from Indonesia.

It is also true that. It explodes when you look at it. This is all recent, right? 10 years ago, nobody was really importing that many cars from the ban. And now there's a lot. We saw a lot on cars and beds. There's a lot that are kind of flowing in. Yeah, that's cheap cars.

Right. Save the small cars. We want to bring an Aston Martin Signet to the States, ASAP. That is true. And this is a three years. You have to wait, 10? It came out or not. It came out, some of that. And then you have to import it from Monaco. The documents will be in French. They're all in Monaco.

Does this use make Massachusetts your favorite Commonwealth? No, Kentucky remains my favorite Commonwealth. Okay, next to topic. Jaguar, speaking of Commonwealth's, Jaguar, our favorite luxury brand. And by that I mean, I think we mean our least favorite luxury brand. What's worse? Mazurati exists.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Jaguar has decided to take a year off of car sales. Like a kid who's just finished grueling four years at Harvard. They want to build houses in Costa Rica. Take a year off before entering the job market. Where's Jaguar building houses? Jaguar is not going to build houses. They're just going to take a bit of a sabbatical.

Now, this is odd because this is a company that employs people. They didn't say they were going to take a year off. That's been distorted. They said they were going to take some time off. And they also said that they were, basically, it's in recognition. of they have a lot of new car, in theory, they have a lot of new cars that are coming that are in development.

They're taking a year off of sales because their inventory's aged. Do we know what these new cars are? They're all electric because Jaguar wants to go completely electric. Now, I do want to say one thing. The real reason they're taking the year off is because they have built up so much inventory at dealers that nobody wants to buy.

It's going to take them that long to sell the remaining eyepaces, even though they're offering half off and buy one, give one free eyepace. It's going to be thrilling in 2026 to buy a 2023 eyepace. Brand new. Yup. Hey, we like deals. The they wonky punch two and a half years ago.

I mean, like, it's good to just be honest. If you don't have any of cars to sell, you have nothing new, your dealers hate you already. The Jaguar brand is definitely the most tarnished brand currently. Like, they're in really tough shape. Go out and talk to some Chrysler dealers. Chrysler, Mini. There's some tough brands. But Jaguar, the F-Pace was the only desirable car.

Even then they only leased them at good lease deals. Every time you saw when you knew it was someone leasing at 20. 2.0T model for whatever they could get it out the door. I believe it was 200T, but it's okay. So they're trying to, 25T, they're trying to rebrand and refigure this whole thing down. Now, the good thing for Jaguar dealers, that they also have a Land Rover.

And therefore, they make a lot of money on the service claims. Virtually all Jaguar dealers, though they're not all, but almost all, have a Land Rover dealer as well. And so that brand has been doing fantastically and continues to do fantastically. They can't get them out the door fast enough. They still are supply constraint. And so one could make the argument that maybe,

we don't need Jaguar. Jaguar's got to be the brand with the highest and most desirable name recognition and the least people who actually, like the gulf between name recognition and does like purchase it. It's like Aston Martin and Jaguar are the two, right? Like everybody thinks they're cool.

Nobody really is going to buy one. Yeah. So true. I'm trying to think of what would it take, like what least deal would I need to get on an e-pace to buy an e-pace? An e-pace? Yeah.

Which is not the electric one. Right. Just so you know. An ipace, it would have to be like free. Is IPase for sale? That's a good, I mean, there's still used, or new IPACES. Are there still? I don't know if there were the, oh, there's, Filippe.

I mean, that car is going to be at dealer lots for the next decade. The fleet sales manager is going to have a good, good quarter. Yeah, the next time I go to. I'm going to start selling them to local governments. For parking meter enforcement. Be a good life card vehicle. Do you know San Diego's using Mustang Machis for parking doorsments? I'm excited to the next time I go to Enterprise or Hertz to rent an F-Pace for the cost of a new

user. It is, the brand prestige they had, the XJ-22, the E-type, which is arguably one of the most beautiful cars in the world, XK-120, the Jaguar XKR, personal favorite. They had a lot of good things going for them, but they're at a price point where it's very competitive and... And cars kind of turned on them, right? Like their whole brand was based in these luxury cars. Yep.

And the market switched to SUVs, which fortunately they had in Land Rover, and so they were able to kind of make it up there. But like, the XJ, which was our whole... lives has been a full, one of the most desire. Yeah, totally. And now it's gone. I mean, it canceled it years ago. And there's just not a lot of demand for these cars.

I actually think that the F type, the SUV, like, was good looking when it came out. Whatever. Something. Well, there's your problem. Fair point, though. But, I mean, it should have been a Kyan competitor. I think they could have done something with it. It's a beautiful SUV.

Yeah. But it kind of languished. It languished as every Jaguarial product. And in theory, there will see a lot of new ones. And in a year from now, they'll be in a great position to sell new inventory. You know, I wish they would come out with some of those electric concept cars. They used to, Jaguar every year or two would come out with a concept car that didn't have, like, seats. That's what I'm looking for.

It feels very much like the British Cadillac that's just kind of lost its way. That's a great. It's a great thing. Although, NG was really that, but now it's Cadillac. Is it the British Cadillac or British Lincoln? Either one. Either one is a good. Has any brand ever done this and come back?

Take it a year off? No, no, it's not a common tactic. So they don't have the odds in their favor. I want to take it your off. Can I take a year off? Can I take a year off? Can I take a year? What was the last car that was new enough that they could convince you to accept their press car? I don't know that JAG ever sent me a press car.

That's a good question. XE? No, I never had an XE. I went to JAG dealers. I think that was it because I did the eye paste. Well, the best JAG of all time. XF shooting break? No, although I saw one of those.

I do love those. Yeah. I saw those rural middle. country driving on the freeway. The best jag ever, recent car, XE, Project 8. Yep. You remember that thing? Yes, yes, yes. A car had 9,000 horsepower. The side of it was a leaping cat, it didn't have

back seats, and it had a wing the size of these bookcases. It looked like there was ready to go to race EMSA. It did. It was awesome. And I don't know where they all went. I've never seen one except for the one I reviewed. Yeah. It's sad. Well, I don't think they made many. No, because there was no interest or demand. Rest of peace, Jaguar. RIP Jaguar.

They're just taking a nap. We're taking a nap. It's an interesting. They'll wake up. Company. This is a window crank. It's a window crank. For the users, for people that are watching that are under the age of 15,

you've never seen one of these before. No, no. Nick, well, no, they have a Jeep Wrangler. Oh, nice. Before you get into that, there are great memes of, like, vines or, I guess, reels now of, like, what do different generations do for different motions? Like, for picking up a phone, it's no longer. that it's like swiping on an iPhone and for rolling down a window it's like holding down a button

For all of us it's it was cranking a Anyway the reason this comes up is because the very last crank window car is gone the Jeep ringer I was actually thinking about this because I'm in a Nissan Kicks press car right now and it has four Automatic Down windows Wow and that used to be like a big selling point right like rear auto down Only the Lexus had that not the Toyotas But like power wind probably the cost to make a crank window version of the door panel and a power window over version of the door panel has just gotten, it's just stupid, it's so cheap and it's so ubiquitous. Seven years ago I had a Fiat Panda Press car, or not a rental car that still had

rear, in Europe, there are definitely still manual window. But in the U.S., you've lost your chance. You lost your chance, except for the, of course, the many that cheap locks. You know what I find funny about this? Everybody complains about the death of the manual transmission. Nobody is standing up about the manual window. Because it's just, where are the purists? Where are the purists? I'm surprised that the 9-11 STs and the light, weight versions of cars. They have your little loop because the door handle would be too heavy, but a power window, bring them back.

That's one of my all-time favorite things about those cars. The enthusiasts, oh, we have a door loop because we're trying to save weight, but you have a navigation system. Yeah. You have dual zone automatic, climate control. And all those guys go around talking about how hardcore they are. Meanwhile, because I go to door loop. Meanwhile, they're in a bucket seats.

Meanwhile, they got a nav system. They got an auto-up window. Yeah, and in a power and a power window. Of course, it's probably lighter to have a power window than the, like, a nice heavy crank. Yeah, but we're talking about simplicity here. We're purists about this. Should we pick it? I will say I have a car, which we'll talk about later, that has a broken window regulator, and I wouldn't have minded if it's manual, because right now I've got to use two hands and shimmy it back up every time it falls down. That's right. That's the thing. A manual

window, they never broke. In the words of Lotus and their $200,000 SUV, let's simplify and add lightness. Bring back the manual cranks. This is a new story. We didn't put on our thing, what we should do. So the Lotus Elytre, Eletra, Eterl. Leto. Yeah. E-Liter. It's one of these cars that is subject to this China EV tariff of 100%.

So it's the cost 200 grand now, right? 200. When I reviewed it, and I thought it was a pretty good vehicle. It wasn't a Lotus, really, but it was like a good SUV, honestly. And it looks good and it drives well. It had a 105 base.

They just came out with the first edition, which they're calling like the Carbon Edition, and it's got like a 195 base or something. Oof. Well, it's all over. It's over before it even started. Goodbye, Lotus. Isn't that wild?

So they're screwed. Yeah. But they were always screwed, so it's like, okay. But maybe they'll be really successful with the European market. Does Tesla build EVs in China for the U.S. market? No, only for the Chinese market. It is such a shame. Kenan's not here to do a China Trump impression right now on this.

It's such great Trump impressions. Yeah, but he's in Ohio where everybody feels that way. Okay, next one. Wait, can I say one other thing about the Gingler? Yeah. Goodbye automatic V6 Wrangler. So are they all four cylinders now? No, so you can get a manual V6 Wrangler still.

Yeah, I know that. You can get the V8 for one more year, I think. The V8, right? The 392, and you can get the 4xe. The V8 Wrangler is the subtlest flex in the car business. Yep. Like, he didn't know until two minutes ago that they made one. No.

You, when you see it. It has a giant 392 badge. Who knew? Where? On the side? It's dual exhaust. That's the only way you can tell. It's also loud.

And it rumbles. It does rumble. I think there's also a regular forest owner that's not 4x8, but I can't remember. You know what's weird about the 4x2-E wranglers? Because they're all over in Antarctica. And I was. listening to them? Blue, to to to. You know what's weird? They make this whistle sound

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Do you want to know the new story? You got it. It's a Mitsubishi. Correct. If I had to guess, it's orange on orange, which is one of the problems with this vehicle. The interior is certainly black. No, it's gray. They only did one of your color.

The wheels have orange. This is a Mitsubishi Mirage. or if you wanted the sedan version of the Mirage G4. It will not exist in 2025. The 2024 is the final year of the Mitsubishi Mirage. And you know what that means? There's only one new car under 20K. One more new car under 20K.

You know what it is? Because this was the cheapest car on sale. Yeah. Now, to be fair... Do you know what that one new car is? Nissan Versa, of course. Although you can get a leaf, I bet, for... With the MSRP is under 20K.

Okay. And leaf MSRPs are not as cheap as they should be. Yeah, but like, you go. into a Nissan dealer and you've got a pulse, you're walking out at 143. You can also get an ARIA, which is their mid-sized electric car for probably 20. So the Mirage is gone. Now, the Mirage, you know, I had a review of it that was not particularly positive about seven years ago. And nothing has changed. Nothing has changed. You know, people are going to blame me for the death of this car, and they already have. I've gotten some angry tweets. Have you really?

Yeah. But the thing is, the car's been on the market 10 years. Like, that's a product lifecycle and they didn't want to update it. I'm sure there's changing regulations that are like, kill it. Can I tell you a very interesting thing? In some markets, the Mitsubishi Mirage is sold as the Dodge Attitude. Did you know that? No, but that's phenomenal. Here's the best part. I swear to God what I'm about to tell you is true. In some other markets, the Mitsubishi Mirage, the Dodge attitude, the Dodge attitude, the Mitsubishi version is sold as the atrage. Google it. The atrage? A combination of attitude and mirage in one word. I swear to you.

I am not making this up. And I assume the car is not going away in like South state. Like, I drove one of these in Thailand. It was like those were still in other markets. In the U.S. will be gone. Maybe Canada. I drove one of these to the highest point in Thailand. How about that? Out of curiosity, do 20204 models still have the hideous backup camera? Yeah, of course. Well, the car

is ready to be dead. It's ready to be dead. It was a trash car. It is sad that there's nothing under 20 grand, but it's not surprising. No. I mean, it's very difficult in today's like regulatory and production cost environment. It's very difficult to make a profit on a car. What we should be talking about is there's a bit of a few cars in the last year that are in the low 20s that are surprising the Buick and Vista yeah the Nissan kicks that just came out which seems good at which I assume as low 20s the Chevy tracks

yep there's actually like options it's a bit surprising to me that especially General Motors has kind of gone back into this because Ford kind of pulled out of this segment and it was like we can't make money on cheap cars which I think is reasonable I mean Honda the Honda fit was popular and Honda was still like my mom doing this for practice 17 grand in 2012 well and the only way you do make money is through volume and the volume couldn't have been here for this Do we feel bad for Mitsubishi dealers? They only can sell the Outlander. I actually think the Outlander looks nice and is like a good price point.

It's quite popular in other markets. Yeah, yeah. Like you go to Europe and there are some European markets that must heavily incentivize. And like it's one of the only plug-in SUV. I would buy an Outlander. Yeah, me too. You walk around Amsterdam. It's like all Outlanders and like 70s Cadillac.

But it's the only Mitsubishi for sale in the U.S., I think. What about the Eclipse Cross? I legitimately forgot about that Clips Cross. Well done. Well done. All right. Goodbye, Mirage. We will...

Nick, aren't you sad about this as a purist? No. Okay. This I'm sad about. That it exists. The existence of the cyber truck makes me sad. Cybertruck is a news story because it's been selling, selling, selling. A lot of manufacturers no longer report out sales on a monthly basis.

So we're a little bit delayed in this news story because not everybody reports at the same time. We don't have final numbers. But there was an analysis done recently that showed that Tesla sold something like 5,000 cyber trucks in July alone, which is approximately the same as a total number of other EV pickup trucks. So if you combine the Rabin-R-1-T, the 4 Lightning, the Silberado EV that has sold zero, especially in July. I saw Washington, D.C. government had a Silverado EV. Nice. The Hummer-EV pickup sold fewer combined than the cyber truck.

Okay, look, there's only one impressive thing in this, but go ahead. Here's my analysis. Yep. Okay. this is new. Those are all next time. Also, the biggest surprise here is not that it's sold that many, although 5,000 cyber trucks is not a small number of cyber trucks.

It's that they built that many. Yeah. And also they were all foundation series, which was in theory limited to the first thousand. I love that. The foundation series is still... It's now all of 2024 model year. It's all 2244 model year, maybe more.

We've gotten a lot of people. We sell a fair number of cyber trucks. And for a long time, we would put, like, foundation series in the, like, subtitle. And, like, limited edition or whatever. And we would also refer to the X of Skeleton because Tesla did. Every, like, a couple of weeks, they update their website and they remove references. So it used to be that the foundation series on their website was limited edition first X unit. They've removed that to be limited to the 2024 model year.

And I think now it says something even vaguer. What do we think about the Whistland Diesel Cyber Truck durability test? Oh, wow. We're going back months of news here. I got to tell you, it was the greatest thing I saw this whole summer. Yeah. Part two is coming soon, apparently. What did you think about that?

I mean, the whole bumper issue was, like, pretty interesting. I thought he was brilliant to compare it against the F-150 Lightning. It was a regular F-150. But either way, like, I... Yeah. It's really hard to like the cybertrap. And, like, that, to me, like, was just another nail in the coffin for the cyber truck in terms of, like... actual truck.

People who are on the internet and thought it was cool initially. The Tesla Twitter people freaked out. Like, you didn't do this, right? You didn't do that right? It was like laughable. But some of the things are really concerning. If you don't hook up your tow bar to something. I'm going to go out on a limb here.

I'm going to go out on a limb here. I think the cyber trucks do, but I think the cyber trucks kind of cool. I think a lot of the people who buy them are kind of editors. Get ready to cut this too? That's in for a short so we can publicize it. But the thing that was with the, with the steel and the, it didn't really bother me. It's only concerning because it could be a legitimate safety hazard,

and there are standards for how you have to. I mean, like, this is one of my videos. Yeah, when the video came out, there were other people that said, I was towing. Once or twice, but customers will do anything. Like, there is nothing a person, people can't do once the public has a vehicle. That's what we learned a portion.

I know, but like, you need, if you say it's rated to tow a certain amount, you need to be able to actually withstand that. No one's towing with an EV pickup. That's a bad choice. But he didn't break it while. Towing. That's a thing. No, but he broke it in a way that is realistic to recreate. You mean dropping it on a steel, I don't know, on a cement block?

You're towing something, you go over a large pothole. It needs to be connected in a specific way. And I think that the SAE has recommendations around how, like, what kind of... There's a lot of problems with the sub-truck. The towing thing is a minor one. Him being able to peel off the pillar trim, the window trim, like... What do you think was the situation? It's supposed to be this indestructible, like, throw truck.

And then, like, it's like, it's a lot of... Lego kit. The people who drive them think they're the coolest, truffest. And you can, yeah, it's built like a child. Going back to the news story, don't you feel like them cherry picking June to say it was good? They had a stop sale the month before because of the pedals. And they had three years of reservations. Like, of course, it had a good month.

You might be right that there's some cherry picking there, but the point still stands. I mean, Rivian is just out there trying to sell trucks. And they ain't selling at this level. And the lightning, which was the hottest thing in the world when it came out. What happened to that? And the Hummer EV, they're moving to a month. Anyway, the point is, the cyber truck, regardless whether it's cherry picking or not, is selling. I'm curious to see, like, a year or the first 24 months or something.

That'll kind of be a real indicator. And we'll have better data at the end of the quarter. So at the end of September, when other manufacturers also report out. Because I'll tell you something. When Rivian was hot, it also outsold all the other EV trucks. And the lightning was hot. So we just got to figure out, you know, is this early people who are excited? Tesla's real problem is going to be, are there still going to be excited people

after two years of this truck when you can buy used ones for 75, 60. Prices have plummeted. Because to their credit, they're delivering trucks, which is what they need to be doing. Have you noticed that most that you see are wrapped?

Well, they're wrapped because it's impossible to take care of the stainless steel. Yeah. So I think the stainless steel is the coolest look. I think when it's wrapped, it doesn't really look all that cool anymore. You kind of lose a lot of the appeal. There's a guy that wrapped it stainless steel

so that it was easier to maintain while retaining the look. But my question is, I feel like EV pickups in general. general have had a bad rap, like Hoovys review of towing with the lightning that made the rounds on the new cycles. This, besides the damage is doing to the Tesla brand, might be also spoiling EV pickups in general, because everyone's just going to say, I don't want, I need a pickup, and the cyber truck is yet another example that the EV pickups aren't capable of being actual

pickups. I agree with you, and I was thinking about that with Fisker. Like, I've talked to people, a bunch of people, my neighbors is a summer, I were asking me about Rivian, and they're like, but I'm worried that it might fail like Fisker. And that's, and that's a lot. It's the same thing that you're talking about. Like, oh, this EV pickup truck is stupid. Aren't they all stupid? One EV that gets in people's minds, it starts to like permeate the other ones.

So I think it's a loss, I agree with you. I think it's a loss for all the EVs when one of them looks like it's poorly built and trashy and can't do what it's supposed to do. That's why I feel bad that Toyota has sold any BZ4Xs. It's really setting a bad foundation for EVVers. I saw it on the road today. I was in the Kuntash.

I knew that person wouldn't look over at the Kuntash. All right. Last story. Nick, what do you got? All right, it's a resident pro-modification guy here on the podcast. Cobb tuning got a pretty big fine, like close to $3 million, for helping hundreds of thousands of people, quote-unquote, cheat diesel regulations through their tunes.

It apparently made it so that they could get through Smog or whatever their equivalent was. Through their, like, access port. Yeah, everyone's saying it's, well, it's a big fine to like you or I, like that would be a lot of money. To Cobb, it's not enough that it's going to end them, but it is interesting that there was yet another co-dating diesels. The EPA has really cracked down

on these old... I have a question about this. Cheating. Is diesel just done then? Because it seems to me, like Volkswagen, we all knew, Volkswagen was the big one, right?

And they got hit with this thing. It was a big part of their whole brand identity. It was their entire brand identity. They had gone away from hybrids of electrics and focused on diesels. And they stopped. Right? The RAM that had a diesel,

the Mercedes with diesels, they have all gone away because they were all used of defeat dice, let's be honest. Yeah. Heard it here first. No, I mean,

other ones got penalized too. If they weren't penalized here, they were penalized in Europe for the exact same thing. Is diesel just done? The only cars used in diesel, like the big SUVs and the big full-sized trucks,

but I'm not sure they're subject to the same regulations. A lot of over-sixth are generally not subject to any people. Like the Yukon has a diesel and like the RAM 3,500 and stuff. Deacon? Oh, yeah, you can still get that. But that's the same kind of thing, right?

It's such a big vehicle that I'm not sure it has to do. So, like, is that. the rest of it done? Is there a diesel Wrangler anymore? Like, is this, is this over? I think it's over. And primarily I think it's over because the EU changed a lot of, a lot of diesel, uh, reaching people was because the EU had like, there were a bunch of incentives that fundamentally incentivized it. Yeah. That, that ended a few years ago. Europe was the place where diesel were. And that ended a few years ago, they decided to like no longer focus on electric. Yeah. But this really is people taking

their silver auto diesel and removing additional restrictions, removing things that made it. vaguely better for the air. To me, it's another nail in the coffin of diesel. Not only is it harder to buy one. Now you can't turn one. Now you can't roll coal. You can't roll coal. The government's going to come after you.

They're not taking, they're taking this quite seriously. They're not as they should. Diesel's over. Let's just hope that the tuning industry in general survives. I want to be able to unlock an extra 30 horsepower and do some cool stuff. He wants to have four focus. You've got to assume that a lot of the tunes

have a bad effect on emissions. So why does the government focusing on diesel, right? Because it's just so much more egregious. Yeah. The fact is much more significant than like an APR stage one tune on a GTI. Yeah, and probably some of it isn't, right? A boost, turning up turbo boost or something probably doesn't have much of a... No, not enough to make a big deal on it.

The California is apparently now checking for tunes and will fail you on smog. Now, how widely that's being enforced is another question. Quite. But you know how to avoid it? Don't modify your cars, guys. You're being in factored and you do it. No, Nick knows how to avoid it. I can't share my smog secrets in a lot.

public venue. But there's ways. Do they have to do with the Billings? Helena. Helena is how you pronounce it. Thank you to whoever corrected me on the last pod. I said in Helena for like months. We never bothered to correct it. But no, I mean, even within California, there's ways around. But it's interesting. Every new car comes out. The manufacturer says, oh, this is untunable. It's uncrackable. Eventually they find ways. Yeah, because there's so many controls in the ECU that locks you out from changing. Are they proud of the fat? General Motors is like a especially. Some of the cars that you might expect to have been able to tune 10 years ago, you can't as much anymore. Okay. We got to move on from news to our next thing. But then you can get by from Ford, the

performance kid that gives you a hundred extra heart power. Ford still allows it. And Hennessy primarily only tunes Ford's now because of that. Interesting. I think it's good that honestly the EPA is really cracking down on a bunch of really egregious emissions stuff. Cobb will be fine. You can't let these people just continue to do it, especially if they're specifically flouting the law by creating a device that literally knows when it's on a diner or whatever and changes the emissions profile. The government, you can't get mad at the government. They got to enforce that. All the back to blue folks ought to be supportive of this. I have a suspicion, though, that there's a little bit of a distressing overlap here. My takeaway from the new segments is I want to get a cob tune K car with a diesel motor.

And I'm going to drive it to a Jaguar dealership and ask for a trade-in. Crank windows. Crank windows. You know, I always felt one of the great, I always felt that one of the great videos would be taking an extra 220 to a Jaguar dealer and asking for an oil chain. Just show up like you're a customer. Hey, listen, can I be a waiter? Can you guys?

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Well, I have a little announcement. For the viewer. We have the term in our next car. And for those listening, I bought a Maserati-branded polo that when you pop the collar, it says Maserati. So very on brand. Keep it on. You got to suit the image. Even I have more shame than to actually wear it this way for longer than a second or two.

This is the most tasteless thing I've ever saved my life. Show us again. The combination, too, it's actually made in collaboration with North Sales. So it's for sailing people that have Maserati's, which. You just have to imagine what that dinner table conversation is like. Right, right, right, right. I bought a quatra porte. I'm super excited.

It was... Wait, wait, you didn't buy just any quattroporte. You bought the... 2012, so the M-139, basically the Ferrari F-430 derived engine quattroporte. That's what we're going to hang our hat on, as we call it. QP5. So tell us about the car. It was the sketchiest transaction I've ever been involved in,

and that's saying something as someone who... intentionally seeks out to lowball the sketchiest sellers I can find. I and our producer Sean and Kenan and Doug have all cringed independently a different moment of these stories. I may or may not technically own it right now because there was a problem with the title that we're still. It's insured now. You have the car in your possession.

Are you aware of the clear coat situation? Yeah, I saw it. I might have removed some paint on action. While he was doing a DIY PPP removal job, he pulled the clear off and pulled the PPP off, He pulled the PbF off and also a thing of clear about the size of a license plate. We're going to do another YouTube series for cars and beds. And I was worried the car was too nice and we wouldn't have content. I've had the car four days and I've already got two episodes worth of content.

Well, the biggest episode is buying the car. The sales process was truly the sketchiest thing from the sketchiest individual in the history of West Texas. And I think you should do a full video on just what happened with his face in the corner reacting. Are you aware that at one point, the guy said to him, I don't know why this is a problem for you to send money or me to, because I have more money in my bank account than you anyway. So whatever. When I send proof of funds, it quickly devolved into a contest to see who is richer or not. And I wanted to explain to him that he didn't keep all of my net worth in my checking account, but I was just like, forget it. This is going to be too complicated.

My favorite part is that he was willing to send you the title, but not a bill of sale. Yes. Oh, yes. He was terrified I would take the bill of sale to the police and somehow steal his car. He sent you the title. Yes. Signed. Well, incorrectly signed.

But the sign. He thought the bill of sale is more important and valuable than the title. But you'll talk about all this video. Yes. It was a long journey. But the car is, I'm over the moon about. So the QP5s were about $150,000 car new. Today you can buy them from like maybe let's call it 10 to 20, depending on mileage and

condition. But towards the end of the run, you know, they fixed the transmission. It was known for having the F1 Trans, or Duo Select Maserati called it. They switched to a ZF transmission. And then it was known for having Cam Variator problems, which was a $6,000 to $8,000 fix on a car worth $10. Yeah. So the resale value has got to be at the bottom.

But his car is late enough in the production run that it's past both of those problems. And it's a gorgeous color. It's a gorgeous color. It's this beautiful blue. Blue Mediterranean with the MC Sportline package. it is perfect, but towards the end of the run because it had such a bad reputation, like Jaguar, Maserati probably should have taken its year off to find itself.

But they produced a handful for the final model year. It was really hard to find them because of that. Can you define the MC Sportline? You'd be stunned, Filippo. It's incredibly used. There's carbon fiber all over this. But was that part of MC Sport? I thought you couldn't find anything from Maserati that defines

MC Sport. It might be an aftermarket badge. I was trying to research this because I was hoping it was like a paint-to-sample thing. So I called the Maserati dealership locally. They go, oh, we no longer sell Maserati's only Ferrari. Try this other dealership. So then I call another dealership.

They're like, oh, I think it just means carbon fiber trim, but I'm not really sure. So then I called Maserati corporate in North America and say, oh, we're not really willing to share anything with you unless your name's on the title. So I'm going to try them again. But it does seem to be more like an interior trim. But, dude, it looks amazing. This car. Oh, it's here today? Yeah.

I didn't realize that. It's blue. It's really gorgeous car. You're going to see it in a YouTube. series where Nick documents all of the problems with it and then he fixes it up and makes it great like the P38 record. My goal is to own it for free because it's known for being bad maintenance. So we'll see if the maintenance exceeds the point of where I could sell it does have 90,000 miles. Eighty-nine thousand and change. Yeah. But the fact that it even got to that point,

I think is a testament to the reality that these cars aren't as unreliable. Some people say, particularly if you get a late one that has some of these issues solved. I did the oil change yesterday and it was really clean underneath. It didn't really have any leaks. Compared to my B-38, this car is like cherry. Yeah. Yeah. So, I love it. I think it's great.

I worked at a Ferrari dealership when these cars were new, and I remember driving them and thinking they were so much, so great handling. They were just so much fun. We also sold Bentley, and it was literally a night and day difference between Flying Spurn. They were both new at the same time. And that Quattroporte, it was so fun to drive. Sounds great. I was worried the suspension was broken because it was so firm,

but I think it's just a sporty car. It's a sporty car. It really was. It was a great handling, great steering car that depreciated heavily. We sold one the other day for like 10. It was 11-ish, or 10 in change. And that one had the ZEF transmission. That was a great buy.

I was actually egging my friend to buy it because I was like, I already bought one, but this is a good car to buy. You could have two. Hith & Harris. I could. Well, the best thing, I mean, you kind of, maybe he'll need to. Yeah.

Let's hope not. I'm thrilled for your purchase and that the car showed up. I have actually always, I have a 118 scale die cast that I bought literally when it was new like 15 years ago. The purchase was so sketchy. The dude who sold him the car, it wasn't his name on the title. It was a man or woman who he claimed was his cousin and the cousin's mom or wife. Right?

With a different name. With a completely different name. First and last, totally different. Only Nick would be willing to purchase. And at some point Nick texts us, right, our group chat and he's like, hey, so many problems of this transaction is cursed. And I'm like, Nick, it's cursed because you've gone after the sketchiest car from the sketchiest seller.

Like if you were just for buying a car from a dealer, it wouldn't be cursed. It would just be a normal transaction. It's cursed because you personally. pursued that. If you're the seller and you're listening to this, just sign the title first. I know,

and then listen to that. I'm like, he has the title right now and I need him to return it. Sign the title first and then listen to us. He's not going to hear any of this. He doesn't care.

He doesn't know about cars. That's one of the things that I find to be so crazy. If he had Googled Nick, he would know, because Nick held his tongue for a lot of the craziness because he wanted the car for the content, which is what a lot of us do

when we're buying content cars. Like, we know. And the seller's like, oh, I'm slipping one under, you know, they don't know. We always know we just need the videos. Yeah. And that's what's happening.

I did eventually explain them. I'm like, hey, you can Google me. And also, like, here's a picture of my Lamborghini. Like, I promise I'm not trying to scan you. Oh, my God. So after he said the bank account thing, you showed him a picture of your Lamborghini. So you got into like a, like a pissing match with this guy?

A little bit. What is wrong with you? He was selling a $1,500 water slide, all right? I wanted to just... His other stuff on Facebook marketplace was like a used water slide. This is an El Paso. A used water slide, the QP. There was one.

other insane things, some sort of gardening tool? How is a kind of water slide? Oh, it was, no, it was a plot of land for like 85 grand. On Facebook Market on Facebook. I wonder who that was titled too. But it's part of the fun. It's part of the chase for sure. So I think I scored pretty well. I can't wait for the videos. I checked out the car the other day. I think it looks absolutely great. Oklahoma really seriously, I think it looks great. I love those cars. I really do. I've just always been afraid to pursue one. We're thrilled that you're not too afraid. And I got to say the next Gen QP lost a lot of the specialness. All of the specialness.

The one you have is sort of like the, it feels like a real exotic car. Like there's a little stitched leather and like, it's just really, the newer one is more accessible, probably more reliable, but not as special. Whenever someone claims a Ferrari derived engine, you have to kind of take it with a grain of salt, but it did have the sticky buttons from Ferrari.

It had a lot of the Italian side of it. Not only did it have a Ferrari-driven engine, had Ferrari-derived sticky buttons. That's right. Yes. That's how you know it's real. The other talk car segment is I drove my Toyota-Succoi across the country, I had a flat tire. Now, I posted that I had a flat tire on my Instagram, and people became enraged. That is not a flat tire. They said that is it just destroyed.

I mean, they're not wrong. Here's what happened, okay? I was driving along, just down the road, down the interstate, and the tire, the car started to sway. The rear of the car started to sway. And I thought it was just the lane keep assist, because that can happen sometimes, that it's like, does some weird, makes weird decisions or whatever. But it turned out that after a little bit more aggressive swaying, I looked down and I saw the tire pressure light was on. Okay, so Felipe's pulled up the picture. This is the tire.

It really was a bad situation. Yikes. The tire is demolished. So anyway, flat, okay, sorry, let's just talk about it. A tire goes flat. Yeah, flat. But you have to drive on a little bit to get off the highway safely. It's not what happened.

The car starts swaying in the back, and I realized, I looked down the tire pressure monitors on. And Sequoia has one of those things that has, Each tire pressure is actually printed there. So I scroll over to that and I see back right as zero. Okay. So I know it's gone and it's not going to be like a slow little leak. It's like gone, gone.

Well, I immediately pull over and it looks bad. It doesn't look like this, but it looks bad. It had blown out. It was not a flat. It had blown out. And so I knew I wasn't going to be able to patch it or anything, but I was in a dangerous. You're not bad to enough. My gosh.

I was in a dangerous spot. I'm not a big fan of parking on the shoulder of the freeway. I think it's really dangerous. Some people do it, change a tire there or whatever. Some people like pee. It's not my thing. I think it's really, really dangerous. So I got off the freeway with it.

I had to drive about three quarters of a mile on the tire. And then when I finished driving the three quarters of the mile, then it looked like that, which is even worse. But it didn't look that different right when I pulled over, like a medium. Yeah. I don't know what happened. Were we just driving the shoulder for three quarters? Well, what actually happened was there was the next exit was five miles ahead,

but the other direction had an exit behind me. So I did a U-turn on the freeway. I waited until there was no one coming. I pulled into one of those emergency turn-around. To be fair, it was an emergency situation. And then I waited until no cars were coming the other way. It was really dangerous, but I felt like it was less dangerous than the alternative, which was just sitting there on the freeway.

So anyway, we change the tire. I called AAA. You know, AAA is, I was going to do it myself, and I had already started the process. But the AAA dude comes with a floor jack, an impact driver, and a compressed air. And in literally 18 seconds, he's got the tire off the car and change. It's like a cheek coat. Was the tire underneath? The spare was underneath, but the problem is...

Thankfully for you. The problem is, so the back was completely full of stuff, all the tools were in compartments in the trunk. So it took me... The longest part of this entire tire-changing process was just getting the tools out. I had to completely unpack the back of the car and got the tools out,

and the full-size spare under the car drove 2,200 miles home on the spare, and we're still waiting for the new tire. The Falcon Wild Peak. AT3. You had the factory... tires on the car? Factory tires. And they did fine off-roading and all that over summer. It was amazing. It was the best off-roader. It was fantastic. It was really good.

But you do have to wonder about a factory, a new tire that blows out at 6,000 miles. It had a hard life. Well, the other tires didn't blow out. You wonder if there was like a bubble in the sidewall or something for the sidewall to blow it and not the... I'm going to give Falcon a little bit of credit here. I drive on the beach every day. And so in order to drive on some, off sand, you have to be at 15 PSI. And so I actually drive around all summer for 90 days and about a thousand miles on 15 PSI.

And that car is really just going from your house to the beach onto the beach. It makes sense for your use case. Yeah, no, I have no regrets by doing it. I would replace a tire every year if it meant that I could drive at 15 PSI. Like, airing up and airing down every time you go on the beach is insane. And so maybe that caused it. So we're not going to really blame Falcon for this.

No, but it is a little concerning. I'm glad that you're going to safely I know, I got lucky. And this man named Jason came and helped me change the tire. And then you parked on the wrong side of the street. The whole thing. Well, this isn't actually some sort of weird turn lane. You know, I could tell you exactly where it is.

Kingsport, Tennessee. Some exit. Okay, we got to move on to our next topic. We're going to do a short market report. A short market report. Because we got a lot of questions. And they're good this week. Oh, good.

They're good every week. So I want to talk short market report. Yes, F-80 wagon. Tell us about it. Did you think about bidding? I did, other than I literally. had a quatra porte on a truck. But, and you all had that beautiful B7Rs 4 wagon in the past.

You've had some great E-339, 846 conversions. This, I've never seen one before, and it is just so well done. For those who can't see, we sold a 328I, BMW 328 station wagon, but it had been hit, and instead of just fixing it, someone decided to make it into an M3 conversion, but the best part is they did it right. They didn't stupidly modify it. They put on M3 fenders, M3 wheels, a manual transmission. which the wagons weren't offered with.

And three power trains, so it had the S-55. Like, it was a, if BMW had made the M-3 wagon, this is exactly what it looked up. And a handsome color, like, a lot of times when you do the wagon conversions, you just, you can't help but get a little carried away. And people do. You put it peptobesmo pink with some HREs. And they'd lower it and do some extra light. It's stupid.

This looks factory. It looks absolutely factory. And as a result, he got all the money. 72 grand has to be a record for a 325. Yeah. For a 325 with a bad title. Yeah. How many miles did it go?

It doesn't matter. Yeah. 675 but TMU. So, yeah, rebuilt title. Like, I don't know if they got the money back or not. Like, it'd be curious what a build-up cost. 72 grand. I bet he got the money back.

Yeah. An F-80 M3 doesn't cost that much. And a rebuilt title F-31 doesn't cost that much. Especially if you got insurance to chip in for what the normal rebuild did the cost. Yeah. It was a fantastic build. We've seen a lot of cool builds on the site.

This is honestly one of the very best builds I've ever seen. When this came through, because I see all the listings before they go live. I thought to myself, damn, I want that. I wish this dude had just privately messaged me and offered to me for 40.

Because I knew once it went live that it was going to bring all the money. But it's worth that money because you don't want to build it yourself. You do not want to build yourself. It looks really well done. Yep. And it's just so cool.

I've looked extensively into doing this with the B7 R's 4. We hosted a B7R's 4 wagon. Yeah, you had a beautiful one that I know well. And, yeah, it's sold for 75. Based on everything I looked into, you would spend at least 75 trying to recreate this. And it would take six to 12 months if everything goes to plan.

Like it's at least a year and a lot of headache. So if someone's already done it and it even costs just what it cost them to do it, like that's a bargain. And I mean, this was just perfect. It was exactly what I would have done. And by the way, it's worth pointing out. BMW didn't actually make this car, even in Europe. There was no M3 tour.

And so like this was it. I was actually even kind of curious about that because like rear fenders, I don't even really quite understand. They must have just like done it. it and figured it out, right? Do we know? Did they say anything about that? Quarter, rear front bumper, quarter panel.

They must have custom made some. You can opt and graph like you just cut out sort of the rear founders from the same. It would have been too hard to figure out what you would have done. They did a great job. So cool. The shop in Michigan that did is it a great job, and hopefully they build more.

I know. I would give anything. Well, that result should give them a little confidence so that they can do it again. Especially if they take a clean title card. Like, you know, there's always going to be that question about it. But I bet they could get more money if they took a neat color.

Like, they made Astoral 328iWagas. Doing Astoral Blue conversion of this with a clean title with low miles, and I bet you could get 100 grand. You're right on the clean title at the same time. If you buy that, you know the car's been completely rebuilt. So, like, effectively, it doesn't make a big difference. Although I agree with you, I'm not sure I could sell my wife on that. It depends on, like, how messed up the chassis was if there was frame damage, maybe.

But, like, it's generally agree with that point. But I do think taking a clean car and saying, hey, we started with a car that was totally fine. would give you a little bit more credibility. Can we talk about a car that just went live that I think you're going to be excited about? Yeah. This wasn't on the list. I know.

You see this? There's just went live today. I've been trying to talk him into getting Diablo. This is a 1992 Lamborghini Diablo. Euro spec car. And it's beautiful. It's red. And I'm going to log in a bid real quick.

Do it. Hey, you're allowed to. I've been going back and forth on a mercy versus a Diablo. It's in LA. Oh, that's even better. What's the title state? Airfield. I've always wanted a pop-up car.

I think they're significantly undervalued. I mean, Doug, you can probably educate us all on that more. But it's hard to say no to this, and you get a manual. All of them are made. For the 14th. Same powertrain as your car. Yep. You said it's a U.S. car.

It's actually a European market car. I said it was a Eurocar. Play the tape back. Thank God we have it on tape. Finally, I'm able to play the tape back when Filippo attempts to correct me. A U.S.-Bet car. This thing is one of the coolest cars. I do think the Diablo market is going up.

It has not trended up fast, I will say. But I swear in 10 years, these things are going to be vital. Oh, serious bid for Nick. Boom, $4,500 credit card hold. Do you cool that? Yeah, we'll be fine. Show it to the Maserati guy. Proof your true net worth here.

We got an AMX. Yeah, it doesn't even be like, hey man, are you, did you send the title back? And also, by the way, I just threw a hundred grand on a DLB. Rates are down half a point, so we're good. This card basically. 5% off. I want to mention one other set of cars that are alive,

which is we have two cars that were part of a throttle house. Throttle house is another car YouTube channel. We love James and Thomas. You don't have to say what throttle house is. Everybody knows what throttle house is. For the people. They replaced me. Yeah, pretty much.

They about a year ago went on an awesome road trip. Fun fact, they went through my wife's hometown. Stopped out of there. Thank you. And they had these two really cool cars. designate 86 Kurola and a first-gen GTI. And they're both for sale with no reserve on Corsibitz. And GTII look pretty cool, honestly.

Good old schnitz. You know what my fun fact is? I'm not actually named after Nick Cage. A lot of people last week asked if that was true on my podcast. Have you confirmed with your parents? Who are you named after? Have you confirmed with your parents? That's Santa Claus.

We'll never know. My parents don't remember a lot from my early development. I think they blacked it out. These cars are both incredibly cool. I'm thrilled that Throttle House is selling these with us. Yes. They're super cool. And they're live now.

What are they in a couple days? They end next Thursday. You get a bit on the GTI? Do you like a good rabbit. You were Volkswagen guy for a long time. VW Vortex. Yeah. Wortex.

Yeah, Cassiopeas, man. Those are some good cars that are live. They don't have a lot of time for other market report stuff. Although I do want to very quickly mention, we sold a 991, 911 yesterday for under 40. Whoa. You see the shot? 991. for under 40. Now, this was a high mileage automatic first year car. It was like kind of the least

desirable version, but you get the point. For years it was, if you wanted to spend 40 for a 9-11, you had to get a 997 or 996, but a 997 was sort of the best you could do. Yeah, so it's been hit a few times. Hit a few times. Disabling damage, modern damage. 19 and had an accident, 14 and had an accident, 15 and had an accident. So it's a four-accident car, you know? And only one of them was disabling. The point is, too. This is a great comp for for buying other ones. The point is, though, you can see where the 911... Yeah, that's right.

When you want a low ball... You can see where the market is headed, and it's interesting that these are... The rough ones are now hovering in the high 30s. This is a really special car for high 30s. Nick can't even tell it apart from a brand new one. Yeah. I think a lot of people probably can.

It makes sense, early 997s, stick, coops, and cabs are 30 now. Really? 32. 05s? Yeah, 05s and 06 is actually, or like, in the low 30. So it makes sense that the least desirable 9-9-1s are falling, like, getting to that point, there will be a floor, but 9-9-6s are showing that floor can be quite low again.

Yeah? After a year or two of it being rising. Yeah. You could build a two-car garage from 2012 with this and a quatra porte for under 50 grand. That's true. It'd be tight, but yeah, you could. You can do it. That's an idea.

Okay, we've got to get your questions, questions, questions, questions from our audience. Our audience asked questions. If you want to ask a question, go to cars and bids.com, click on the communities tab at the top, and There's a post there every week that says, hey, what do you want to ask us? And we will answer the highest upvoted questions no matter how bad they are because we want to hear from you and we want to see what you're saying. And so, first question, from Lambo-13653. When is the app coming out soon? Second question. Very soon. From Alec Metz, 2011. Could you guys have Ryan from E39 source on the podcast? Here's the thing about Ryan. Ryan is the most wonderful person and he makes the BMWs tick. or not tick as it were. But he is like a very

detail oriented. I don't know that he would be like a podcast person. He's like, he'd be like, well, actually the E-39 has the quarter window is two and a half inches of not three.

That's right. We might have to see whether he can be part of a video. We should bring him on and see what he says. He's done a daily vlog for like 5,000 days in a row. I know it's wild. For those who aren't familiar with E-339, go to their YouTube channel, maybe we'll link it, and check out the most recent build.

They did a 60, actually, I don't know, they did a 31-page receipt, restoration on a 2000-5. Someone showed, this is Ryan. Ryan is so obsessively detail-oriented. Someone brings him this 2005 and says, make it perfect. And he ordered, you should see the parts. They're laid out in this, like,

he laid him out like they would be in the car, and it takes up his whole shop. Yeah. I mean, it's incredible. I love it. The work they do is incredible. And also, Kenan being like, oh, he spent 15 grand.

At E-39, they're like, that's a rounding. air on one of our receipts. Didn't Kenan tell us the average bill at E-39 source is 20? Yeah. But they're building the most pristine, it's like the singerification of E-39s without it being modded. Yeah, yeah.

So anyway, Ryan probably would be a good guest, but we don't know if we'll talk about E-30s and E-46. Yes. That's like it. Like we think Nick's period of car knowledge is limited to 95 to 2012. It is. I think we'll bring them in for a market report on E-39. We should have a couple minutes.

Yes, there you go. Okay, next question. This is from Dark End. I recently became obsessed with the BAC Mono and watch Doug's old review of it. The way Doug spoke about the mono is exactly like how he speaks about the Kuntash. It's an experience, et cetera. So my question is, did the BAC Mono ever come across as a thought when Doug was purchasing a Kuntash? No, but that's an interesting question.

You know, I am not someone who likes, like, ridiculous craziness like that. And I always, whenever I'm going to review a car like the BACMano, I'm always like, oh, this thing. I just want to sit in comfort with a cooled seat, you know? I do. Of course, you have no comfort or cold seats in the FTCUSH. But so... Or any car. But so...

But when then I drove the BAC mono, and the BAC model was so amazing. And I had the same experience with McLean P1 G-TR. And I didn't consider a BAC mono because one of my big things when I buy cars is I specifically go after cars that I think are kind of iconic. That's like a major, major pursuit of mine. And I think these three cars are the G-Wagon Cabrio. Kind of the opposite end of the spectrum, like kind of the least iconic car ever made. But the Ford GT, the Kerr GT, and the Kuntash are very, very special cars.

The BAC mono just isn't. And I would also worry about, like, reliability and ownership experience. And frankly, I think it's just a little bit too compromised. But I do agree that the experience, like the physical experience of owning the BAC mono and driving it is just like a total kick in the face. And just like the Kuntash, it's one of the cars that I can get in after a long day or I'm tired or I'm in a bad mood. And I could drive it and just feel like totally exhilarated at the end of it. And there's not that many cars I think they can do that. And by the way, I would have pursued a P1 GTR if I could have afforded it.

I think that that car, even though it's not necessarily quite the icon that a Kuntash is, is like so insanely cool to drive. Plus, you consider that in a BAC mono, your face is forced into a smile. No, I'd wear a full helmet if I had, if I owned one. That is going back to the first news story about the Commonwealth of Massachusetts saying K cars are too dangerous. Yeah, people are trying to be AC mono. Guaranteed death. Guaranteed death.

Okay, next question from J.M. Katz. Here's a good one that you'll love. All right. Hey, Doug, what is your opinion of what happened to CNC Motors? I know you used to review a lot of cars before they were shut down due to fraud, and I was wondering what you thought of the whole situation. All right, I'm going to tell you to CNC Motors story.

It's time. It's time. So, CNC Motors was this exotic car dealership east of L.A. in a town called Upland, which I had never heard of before, and frankly, don't really know where that is even now. I just put it into the GPS and go there. And it was hot. That's what I know.

And it was across the street from a quarry, which is insane. And I would film, and the quarry would, all day long, would be quarrying. Anyway, so, what's that? Interesting. Yeah, it was so annoying. And so, anyway, CNC Motors, there were some red flags when I would go there. Like, they would tell me how much they would pay for some of the trades, and I'd be like, what? What?

How could that be? But whatever. I mean, they always had, the reason I filmed so many videos up there was because, especially during the period where I filmed with them, which was like 2018 through 2020 or whatever. I was still growing my channel. Hadn't done a lot of reviews and a lot of exotic cars

and they had everything. I mean, you would walk in there and they had to have an LFA and a LaFARRA and 5FARGs and a career GT and a PTSD color. They had everything. I mean, they sold a LaFari a pair to for eight and a half

when that was still a thing. Yep. Like they, it was crazy. Gold wings. I mean, old, new. It didn't matter. Everything, right? So it was an obvious place to go

because I could show up there at 8am and knock out two or three car reviews and then go home and have like a week, two weeks worth of content done on cars that were going to be massive successes. And to this day, some of my very biggest reviews have been there, including that Ford F650 Super Truck. Which is your most viewed video ever.

Really? You mean biggest literally? Like size of the vehicle? Physically biggest. Anyway, eventually what happened was they were stealing from people. Now, I want to make a point. The stealing, I wasn't like employed there or anything. I would just go up maybe once every two or three months to film.

The stealing, I hadn't been to the dealership in a year. by the time the stealing stuff came out. I didn't know it was going on. I hadn't heard about any of that. I literally hadn't even talked to the guys in a year. And because I had kind of run out of cars that they did. Like I had kind of pivoted from the older exotics, which they mostly had to like brand new cars,

which they don't, you know, that was getting press cars. And so I hadn't really been up there in a year. And so I started hearing these rumblings. I got text messages, hey, do you hear about CNC? And then one thing led to another. And then Clay, you know, was arrested. And so that happened. But I think the thing about, and so my opinion of what happened to them, it sounds to me like they spent too much.

They got a new building. I think they bought it and built it themselves, which is a mistake that a lot of these exotic dealers make. They think that things are going really well. They have a little bit of cash. They want to leverage to even more. And then the market turns. And I think that's a mistake that a lot of exotic car dealers have made over the years. And I'm always wary of like some of these specialized exotic car dealers that are really flashing. There used to be companies that would advertise in DuPont Registry when I was at K. the toy store and the, and autoponaut, all these like places that were like big deals and then eventually they kind of go away and the next crop of them shows up and then they kind of go away. And there's like a right way to do it, which I think a lot of our sellers do, which is kind of like

keep overhead minimal and be reasonable and don't be insane. And then there's like the other way, which is like add more leverage, you know, take on even more debt to sell even more cars and then you end up into this situation. And so, yeah, I mean, it's a shame what happened to some of the people. I had not friends, but friends of friends who were kind of caught up in some of their stuff. But I'm, you got to be careful in the exotic car business, things can change. And in their situation, what happened was COVID hit. And even though the COVID car market became really strong, the first six months were really tough.

And it was like basically a margin call for them. And that was the end of CNC. And now I don't go there anymore. And I don't know what happened to those people. Some of them are in jail. Do you think based on what happened, like, consignment selling in general is now a bad idea? Wouldn't you kind of think twice about it? Yeah, I mean, especially with cars and bids not to like hawk the product here,

but like there are ways to sell a car now that are much, you don't need a dealer necessarily. Yeah. And you avoid a lot of the, like, I'm having title issues right now with a QP5. Like, imagine doing that on a LaFarrari. Like, you just don't need that. Yeah. And you have a third party involved. That's an interesting point.

I would still trust, I mean, I want everyone in the world to use cars and bids. I would still trust legitimate dealers. It may be hard to figure out. CNC was viewed as very legitimate. They were legitimate. They sold cars to celebrities. They sold cars all over southern California. If you wanted an exotic car, you showed up there and got, I mean, they had this crazy

inventory, crazy building out there. And we don't need to name names, but there was another prominent car guy who sold to celebrities that was recently had a wire fraud charge. I mean, this keeps happening. CNC is not an outlier necessarily. That's the thing. And the dealerships I mentioned before that kind of went away from when I was a kid, I don't know that anything fraudulent happened, but I do think that at some point the business

doesn't keep going like it did. Maybe the figurehead has gone or whatever, but these exotic card dealers like seem to cycle, the really flashy showy one seemed to cycle in a way that, you know, just, yeah, it makes me a little nervous. I mean, if it could happen to FTX and the smartest genius in the world, then it could happen anywhere, right? That's one way to put it. What's the next question?

It is an interesting thing. I was surprised that it happened considering the level they were at but it is a really good lesson that no matter how good somebody's reputation is or how big you think they are. You've got to be cautious. You've got to be cautious. And FTCS is actually a good example. Remember they had gone to some celebrities

to at market for them and they did their diligence and were like, I'm out. And some less cautious celebrities did that and now are being sued as part of it. Fair and no, same thing. Their board was impeccable, but you can't just go on reputation. You can't just go on reputation. You must do your own research is what Nick is saying. Do your own deal.

Yeah, Nick is a great poster child, a good example of that. Go deep into their water slides, their cousins, the baking. Figure out all the facts. Next question from Daniel Gaiman. In the communities by model tab on cars and bits, why is there not a section for the Aspark owl? The reason is, it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist.

We only have cars that exist. We only have cars that exist. I'm so sorry. The real answer is that we have cars where we have generally hosted auctions or have an auction in the pipe. No, it doesn't exist. So the Aspercal will never have a tab because it will never exist.

Okay, the Aspercal now everybody, because of this podcast, everybody sends me Aspercal out. Well, information. There's information. But there was one at Pebble, but it didn't move, apparently. There was one on a roundabout. I don't think that one moved either. They don't move, which is weird because they're electric.

Put the body on a Tesla and just move it. Well, you need to make a body. They have bodies. Yeah. Okay. That is the Ask Barcalo question. The last thing I want to say, we have been given a gift.

Ooh. Yes, a gift by our friend Mike Morano at Audi Greenwich. How kind of him? Moreno. Morano. We'll have to ask Mike. Mike is a seller on our site, a watcher of the podcast,

and he offered to change my Toyota Sequoia oil when I was driving cross country, which I didn't take him up on because I was in a hurry on that day when I was driving through Green. How kind of him? But he sent us a gift, a consolation prize gift.

Instead of an oil change, we now have... Wow. Wow. For those who can't see, which I feel terrible for you, this is an Audi robot. That's the only way to describe it. It's like a stuffed animal robot, yes. I have been making fun for weeks now of Toyota's, when I bought my Sequoia, they sent me a list to all this merch,

and it was the crappiest stuff you'd never want to buy in your life, including a small goat and a small bee wearing a Toyota shirt. But I think Audi has out-insamed us. They've got a stuffed robot. with the Audi logo. I love it. Oh, yeah, of course. It's obviously going to be our new mascot.

When we don't have a third person, they just sit in a chair. I'm also curious, the robot's a quadriplegic. It has no arms and legs. He doesn't have arms or the ears, though. Here's, he says wheels. Bebe, beep, beep, beep, beep.

Hello. Let's talk about the B5A4. No, all he wants to talk about is the Q5-55E. The Q8E-Tron. Anyway, the robot's name is going to be Mike in honor of the person who sent it to us. How kind.

And it's a literal Audi robot. He's even got a little Audi tag here. He retails for $39.95. That's a deal. These were like $20 each. I don't have the robot. No offense to the Toyota. Get out of here, Toyota things.

They've replaced by the robot. Mike, the robot, has appeared instead. Have you ever when you're buying a new car tried to negotiate in some merch from their... I have done that. Yeah. If you throw in a pen, I'll do it at this number. What did you get from Toyota for the Sequoia?

Well, that's... That deal went, was all done via text message. What other new vehicles have you purchased? I purchased a landover defender. Oh, I forgot about that car. And I purchased a Kia Stinger. And the deal there was, do you remember the deal with that Kia Stinger? Only that it was a year old at that point.

I told them I would buy it at their ask if they would deliver it to me. And they were in North County. They were in Escondido. And they said yes. And I said, you also have to pick it up for service. And they said yes, and they did. The car was two years old. Did you get socks?

I should have. I do have a friend who bought a very used Subaru Outback from a SuperRuback from a Subaru dealer and got a pair of Subaru socks as a little throw-in gift. Hey, what happened to those Toyota socks? Did I give him to Cannon or you? I think Canon. Canon. Cannon. Okay, so now we have Mike the robot. We have Nick the insane. Nick, do you have any parting thoughts for us? Nick you get him drive home in this QP? By the way, one other thing about the quadro party that you should know, he pressure wash the engine again as he does. No, no, it was very specific. He hosed it off. And when he started the car after the hose,

he told you about this, every warning light came on. He turned it off, turn it back on, Then just the check engine light came better. I think it just stuttered a little bit, but it was fine. I also blew it off with a leap blower to try to get all the water out. So it actually looks surprisingly cool. It looks very nice. It's probably worth doing. Nis 2012 QB5 in the planet.

Except for the clear failure, the wheel damage, the back window doesn't go up or down. The front bumper is like, I don't know what they hit. It's also still the nicest. It's still the nicest. All of these can be true. All right, thank you for watching or listening to our wonderful podcast. We'll see you again next week. We'll be back with Kennan, right?

Indeed. All right, goodbye, everyone. Thanks for coming, Nick. Thank you.