THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Chinese Cars Coming to USA! Filippo Bought a Porsche!

Episode Date: January 9, 2026

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And welcome to this car pod. I'm Felipe. And we start with the news, and the biggest news is Felipe. Philippo bought a car. I did buy a car. You're going to tell us, put the camera on me

because you can see it. Yeah. All right. Look at it. That's it. That's all you need to know. Tell us about it. It is a 997.2, Targa 4S.

It's a wide-body car. Yeah. Rare, rare car. Are you one of these Porsche Luys already? Yeah, correct. Basalt black, 90,000 miles. Is it basalt black? It is.

What paint coat is it? Somebody will tell us in the comments It's been delight I got it right before Christmas And then we're out of town for a couple weeks But it's been It's such a delightful car Is it a manual?

It is a manual, obviously What do you think I am? What are their questions What are people asked? What's a mileage? 90,000. 90,000. I got a question.

Yeah. You got some wheels. Yeah, yeah. So it's on BBSLM I have luckily Luckily The OE wheels Which are career shoes

and those will be going on this week. Just not in time for filming today. That's tough. And then if anybody wants to buy some BBSs, if you want to buy a set of curb rash BBSLM? Only on one wheel. I do want to say, I bought it from a guy named Luke

who took phenomenal care of it. He lives in Madison, Wisconsin, took great care of it, like truly put in a bunch of time, effort, money, 33 grand in the four years he owned it to, like, make it quite perfect. He upgraded a bunch of things, refurbished a bunch of things.

And it's a lovely car. So how do you feel? You're a Porsche guy now. I drove it here today. It's just such a good car. You're a Porsche guy now. I'm not a Porsche guy, so I'm curious what it's like. Well, two.

I have two Mercedeses. I would consider you a Mercedes guy, so that tracks. Me and Hoovey. Yeah. Yep. And Ed Bowie. How do you feel? What's it like?

It's so good. It's such a, like, I get the love. I had not driven a 9-11, period. And this is your first real. Yeah. I mean, every car you've ever bought ever in your life added together is probably only half as expensive as this car. We're not half, but we're like barely getting to that number.

So there's a lot of news for you, like first for you. It's so good. We cleared out space in my garage, so it lives in the garage. Kenan, you're welcome. The car is grateful. I vacuumed the interior since owning it. Wow. So it's a whole new Felipe.

The car is so good. I get the 997 love. I had not driven one before, but it's just such like a, you get in, and it's so immediately familiar. Yep. And just so delightful to drive and use. without being like a precious car. You can just use it and drive it.

It's the best thing about Porsches is that they're fun, but also relatively practical and usable. So good. And also, I was at 907.2 Targa 4S manual is just incredibly rare. Which adds some coolness factor. Do you want to talk about why you chose the Targa? One came up for sale. There we are.

They never come up for sale. The last public sale that we can find is for a manual. dot 2 target 4s was years ago right it was a couple years ago they come and it had like 200,000 miles or something it wasn't really calm yeah Luke who I bought it from spent a year or so looking before this one popped up at a dealer

in New Jersey in 2020 they're just really rare special body style it is the most practical of the 9-11 there's a hatch there's a hatch bag which we learned only when Doug did a video with dot 1 there is a hatch go watch Doug's video the most practical 9-11

dot 2s are known to have fixed a bunch of the 97.1 problems, which are probably overblown. IMSRMS issues not as significant as people think they are. The interior upgrade is a big. Good interior upgrades. It's just so good. LEDs. It's so excellent.

Well, Felipe, I for one am very proud of you. Thank you. My friend group can no longer say that you're pulling a Filippo by not buying a car. Thank you. You did commit to buying them. Especially because he bought big, but I will say this. I will say this. I am anxious for about the number of Porsches.

we have. We have too many Porsches in our group. I got a Porsche, he's got a Porsche, Nick's got a cayenne. He never talks about it because he doesn't want to be a Porsche guy, but Nick has a cayenne. Our buddy Sam's got something, I don't remember. Is that all? There's too many Porsches.

I'm doing my part. You are doing it. The other German manufacturer. We have a friend who has we have a false. Another friend who is a 997 G3Rs and then there's Edison. So what do we do? What do we do about that? I think we lean in. We start wearing a lot of Porsche clothing. We where the Porsche design watchers?

I don't want to go down this road. Spikes already got this cover. He's got the old Porsche's covered. I think he's got a 993 people. I think all the Porsche people are Spikes people. And he's got that done. We're out of luck. We got to be more generalist.

Let's sell. I got to get rid of my 993 now. You forced my hand. Great. How many miles have you driven this car? I was gone for the vast majority of my ownership so far. I think I've done 250 miles or something. Wow.

Which isn't bad for being at home for about a week of owning it. Yeah. It's just so good. Do you go out to the garage and you see it and it's like, oh my God, what did I do? Are you excited? No, no, no, pure excitement. I mean, the money's bad. Really? I don't think about the opportunity costs.

You're not one to spend money lightly. No, I am not. This is a man who used to cross shop fruit for pricing. I know. Life has changed and it's not for the better. I should go back to cross shopping fruits for the best prices. I still do in my head. Don't worry.

The lifestyle creep has really taken over. Yeah, but I don't feel any level of regret in the least. Yeah, I mean, it's a car you can get out of pretty easily. Oh, very. And I have like service records going back to one of this new, a bunch of important work than done. Say someone writes into us at Sean at carsandbids.com, S-E-A-N at cars and bids.com.

Say they write into us. Yeah. And they say, I give you 85 today. You selling? I would have to think about that. There comes to price point where it's like, why would I not sell it? But it is, it's not a car that I'm interested in selling.

Unlike Kennan, I plan on keeping this for at least a while. I will say this. I worked at Porsche when this car was being, when it was around. I didn't start there. I didn't start at Porsche until 10, so I wasn't around for this specific car and the launch of this car. But I remember that the Targa 4s and the Targa 4S's, and in addition to the 4s, there's also a base car,

just the standard Target 4. The Targa 4 base is rarer than a manual cayenne. The 4S was a little more common. But I remember we were doing maybe 15 units a month. wasn't something the dealers were actively even trying to sell. A lot of dealers had never seen one. They were very, very rare cars. Obviously, when the 991 came out and the Targa roof changed, it became like the hottest 9-11, which it still kind of is. But during this period, it was a very, very, very special car. And one of the distinguishing features is this little silver line.

Yep. Yep. It goes down the car. Only the Targas had that, and that's how you know. That's how you know. My understanding is that something like 1500 were built for dot 2 target 4S's, which is really rare by general production. For global or for U.S.? I believe global. I wouldn't surprise me. But don't quote me on that. Haven't done that much fact-checking.

I'm not one of those Porsche guys. So it's only slightly more common than an F-40. Only slightly more common than F-40. So we see an F-40 and we see that, it's like, damn, same thing. That's a trim. That's a trim. An F-40 is a whole car. I agree.

You know what I want to talk about F-40s? Actually, technically it's a trim of a 308 in a way. You know what? You know what's hitting me about at 40s? You know what's hit me about at 40s? Everybody's always like, oh, I got an F40 for sale. Non-cat, non-adjust. They're like, oh, that's like the thing.

Because the only difference between the F40s is catalytic converter and adjustable suspension. Yep. And they're all always like, it's a non-desirable non-cat, non-adjust example. I want a cat-adjust. I want the worst one. They never come up. Find me the worst one. Well, also, I have to imagine a lot of the cat-adjust cars have,

either been decadded and fixed static suspension they put in their place. So they've been kind of made that way. Yeah, that's true. It's an interesting. The cat adjust cars are all non-kitt and just now anyway. But everybody's so proud of this when they were announcing an F-40 for sale. And like, I want the cheap. Find me a cat adjust that's been hit.

That's what I'm looking for. Yeah. We want pictures of it on the Nordch life of sideways. I want the engine block to have been destroyed in some sort of over-rev. That's what I'm looking for. That miss shift just didn't quite get it. So here we are. That's the big news of the week.

Philippo's got a 997 Targa. And last night he was over at my house and he was eyeing the 993 and he admitted he would be interested in one of those. Unfortunately, they're just three times the price. It's interesting. He's already going down to the Porsche. This is why I'm done. The only other Porsche I want is a 996G-T2, but I'm definitely not doing that next. And I am done.

I will never have another Porsche. Oh, yeah. You want to, like, how would we be shaking on this? Short of the 996 GT2, I would, I would, I would shakeish. You'd shimmy. I'm not interested in any of them. I like yours. I think it's cool as hell.

I'm very into it. It's been just, it's such a good drive. It's been a bit of a kick in the face for us all to accept the fact that Felipeo, I know. Who is, how should I put it? How will you put it? He's a, he's a careful and he's a man of modest existence. is driving around in a 997 targa.

It's like, wait a second. I don't get how this happened either. This is a recession indicator. The market's doing great. It's odd as a decision. But from like a practicality financial standpoint, I do think I can get out of it. Even money at literally any point,

the rarity factor kind of helps. Yeah. Even as 997.1s do drop a little bit. So I'm not worried about that. They're relatively reliable. I have to do a lot. I'm going to do a little bit of prerentative work and get it checked out just to make sure that it all doesn't need anything. But it's like, shouldn't be that cost of it own.

Should we to get out of is everyday driverable? I'm like not worried about it in that way. My wife is incredibly worried every time she goes out to the garage. That's just going to damage it. Yeah. Is it PPPed? On the front. Maybe the rest will get PPS.

Maybe it won't. I don't want to put it out, that outlay of cash. It is a lot of money. And I generally, it's rare. That's fine. Unless you scrape like the wide body on your garage. Right. It never done that.

Most people have never done that. Anyway, but I'm incredibly excited. I'm proud of you. I'm so thrilled. You got a car. You went hard. And so did he. Last year.

He has more torque than the world. There was a time when we did this podcast where I was worried that none of us would ever buy a car. Because I knew you wouldn't. And I was off cars. And I thought he wouldn't. And then we all did. Actually, you know what? Yeah, that's true.

We all look at this. I bought two cars in 2025, by the. the way. Yeah, one was an accident. You didn't mean to. I loved it, though. All right, let's move on to the real news. We'll get back to the 9-11 later.

There's a lot more to discuss about it, but we'll get back there because we have a picture of Trump and China and what appears to be a Zeker. Yeah. Chinese Veeves are going to come to the U.S. Well, I already see him. The other day I was driving around. Oh, from Mexico. The other day I was driving around and I saw an MG just like my grandpappy's old one.

Right. The heritage is there. Alive and well made in China. It was an electric crossover for Mexico, but it reminded me if those drives with Grandin. So we've all known this is going to happen eventually, and there are a few Chinese-made cars for sale in the U.S., fun fact. Are there now? There's one technically for sale. The Buick-Letra is for sale, technically.

Sorry, the Lotus Alitra. But for the last few years, the Buickan Vision, was made in China. The S-90L. Well, and the Pulse Star too. Yeah. A few of them are pre-tariff. And when you go to Canada, you'll see Model 3s with LVins. Really?

Yes. Or you did. I think they have, I think they also have put a stop to all. The reason for the news is CES, which is like the big consumer electronics show in Las Vegas, is this week right now. Not a ton of car news, but a ton of like tech, et cetera news. And one of China's largest automakers is B-Y-D. Builder Dreams. Builder Dreams.

And Gile is the other, like, large competitor. And Gilead this week has said that they're going to have, start, they're going to release a plan in two to three years for when they'll be in the U.S. But they also really clearly hinted at the fact that they have factories in the U.S. because Zeghili owns Volvo and Volvo does have a factory in South Carolina.

They have factories in the U.S. that they could use and that that will likely be a part of their engendenters to the U.S. So basically Chinese EV but making me here. Something else that hits me. You ever been to a factory? It's like a corrugated metal building. You know what I mean?

Sure. You could build that. Right. I think, What we'll see you. For the tooling that's a little bit harder there, I think. I think a long weekend with a couple cold ones you and me could put together at least a small factory. Like they're not, it's not like a house where you got to have like...

Right, where you're going to respect the living. Factories you don't have. The whole floor is just cement. I mean, you can just do this in a long weekend. So is ours. You know, we're most of the way there, actually. There are no clocks down here. Our lease does not allow factory work.

Doug doesn't allow us to be unionized. This week, over the Christmas holiday, I tried to teach my son about the marriage and a car production line where the like the body. It didn't. I don't think it landed. Yeah. But basically they've hinted that.

They're going to find a way around the territory. At this point, the Chinese automakers are huge multinational conglomerates that can build factories other places. And they've made very clear that they will. In Europe, they've made huge inroads. BID that I mentioned earlier is coming out with a bunch of additional vehicles in Europe. The take rate there has been stronger and stronger and stronger, and it was only a matter of time before they announced plans enter the U.S.

Okay, a couple questions. First off, this, it's not really an end run around the tariffs. Like, I think, I don't know, I don't speak for President Trump, but in my view, if this car is being made with American labor. Agreed. Not an unrunnerner on tariffs at all. Not only is it not an end run around tariff, but isn't that what we're hoping for with the tariffs? With China, there's a little bit more complexity,

because we also have a bunch of other regulations in place that don't allow some Chinese technology, including a lot of chips to be used in products sold in the U.S. So there's a bunch of additional elements here where the Chinese automakers will need to work with... Isn't our iPhone like all Chinese? Yeah. Aren't they watching?

It's getting a little specific. Okay, here's another question. And this one is more theoretical and you don't have to answer it. Okay. If Zeker or B.D or Gilly, they might be the same company. They might be doing. They're not. If they decided to build in Greenland, would that count as America?

It really depends on whether we're required. Not yet. All right. But they're coming. By the way, Zika minivan is what Waymo uses in their current... How is that allowed, by the way? I don't know. Okay.

I will say I have been... I'm not surprised that they're thinking about, okay, maybe. I do think it'd be a lot of work for the Chinese automakers to get into the U.S. Not only do they have to build here and apparently avoid these chips and create a dealer network, but there's a lot of anti... I don't know if you've been paying attention, but there's a lot of anti-China... Okay, I've been thinking a lot about this. In, I think it's usually specifically about Italy

just because I have the most exposure to that, but across Europe, Chinese automakers 10 years ago were like the cheapest cars you could buy were derided for that same thing because there's a lot of animosity there too. And now they're everywhere because they made competitive cars more cheaply.

It's beyond just, oh, this is cheap crap, which is how we thought about the Korean cars when they showed up 30 years ago. There is no country more racist than Italy, especially toward the day. But Italians also don't have a lot of money. Americans have it, and they don't have as much charge.

with their vehicles. Americans have more choice and more money and also generally are a little bit anti-China. By the way, we have this road sign in the back that says 88. We're not advocating for China here. My God. Move on to the next new start.

Wait, well, one more comparison point before we get to Japanese brand. The U.S. was not very pro-Japan when Toyota Honda started selling here, and now, larger automaker... You know what happened, though? They weren't pro-Japan until they realized that Japanese cars functioned properly,

but already now all the cars functioned properly. Unless you buy, unless you're, that's Chrysler, you're getting a car that works. And so the Chinese don't have that advantage. And they have a big disadvantage and they're being built in a country that we, except for whoever put that road sign up, we are questioning.

Did you decide to wait to buy an iPhone until they move production to India? Is production in India? It will be. I love the Indians. Love the Chinese too. I love the whole world. At this point, let's move on.

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description. Ditch dinnertime dilemmas with every plate. To the Sony Honda Afila. Yeah. This is not a joke. So this is a Fila. It's a new car company. It's a joint production between Sony and Honda. It was revealed a while ago.

They actually have a new SUV that's not pictured here that they just revealed at CS. They have started production at Honda's plant in Ohio. Well, it's about time because the prolog has been canceled. And by the way, Honda hasn't announced that yet or even implied it, but it will. Yeah. And I remember the prologue was supposed to be a stopgap before this came out, and then this was delayed like crazy, and the prologue was like,

was like crapplet along just trying to find three people a year who wanted to buy it. And it's failed at that. And so finally this is here. Can I tell you the tagline? So this is the Fila 1, which will be about $90,000 for the base trim of it. It's an expensive. How are they going to be sold through what dealers, It's going to be California only, to start with.

The first of the deliveries would be California later in this. What is Honda's role in this? Is there a Honda dealers? Do I have to go to the Honda dealer to buy this car? I'm not spending $90,000 the Honda dealer. So far, they're selling only in places where you don't need to sell through a dealer, which California includes. Okay.

So they're going to be at the mall. They're going to be at the mall. I don't want to go to the mall either. Point of sale, not a great situation for you in general. Whether it's buying groceries or buying a car. I do sometimes go to the grocery store. If they were at the grocery store, Oh, there's a move.

You know, nobody else is doing that. You want to get some apples? You want to get an affiliate or whatever it's called? Can I tell you the tagline that's on their website? It's three words. Autonomous, sound, visual. That's worse than what was it, body, what was the Aston Martin one? Body power soul.

Power beauty soul. Yep. Autonomous sound visual. Boy, that wasn't run by anybody. This is going to struggle, but they are starting to build them. They're building a $90,000 sedan. They also are building it. And if there's one thing we learned with new companies, definitely start with a sedan.

Start with an expensive sedan. Work for Lucid? And the brands make it be Sony and Honda, two brands well known for their expensive luxury goods. Okay, the car itself is wild because they're basically advertising it as like a way for them to put a bunch of their tech in things. So there's a bunch of AI, LiDAR, you can play PlayStation games inside. Can I ask you a question?

It's weird. Do we have to get this? Do we have to buy it? No. No, like the world. Does this have to come? I was really... We got a lot of problems.

Can they focus on something else? I actually am excited for Honda's pair up with Sony about EVs. I truly am. Because we've been hearing a lot about the enormous amount of money they've invested in all the tech that it's going to come. And so far, Honda's EV attempts have been meager to say the least. This doesn't seem appealing. It doesn't seem appealing. It's 300 miles of range at the most.

That's not competitive for a large luxury set anywhere. The Lucid era is 500 something. Every time we bring up EVs on this podcast, you get into a big range thing. I think it's like the market differentiate. I don't think that range is something people care that much about. Lucid's got that one that'll drive from here to... Poland. As long as most of the drive is on a ship.

As long as you drive it onto a ship and then it drops you off in France, it can in fact get to Poland. Yeah. Okay. But no one cares. I don't think that's true. And I think it's a little bit of a testament. When you control for size, like large sedan to large sedan to large sedan to large sedan, I think it's a little bit of a demonstration of their advancement, their technology,

their actual investment in making a really competitive next generation. I think for American consumers range as one of the largest objections to EVs. Everybody says, I don't have 500 miles. I'm not going to use it. But then they come out with cars that have 500 miles, people still don't buy it. Yeah, right, exactly. And nor do people really need that range if you actually analyze how you use a car.

They just want the comfort of 90s. I think 300 is like a pretty good standard. How did you not get further? It's like when you look at an old American car and they had a 17-liter V8 and it made 100 worth of ours. Like how did you not? Because I don't think that they're focused on it. I don't think that this is, I don't think that their target

was probably 300 miles range because that's what all their competitors do. And I think they were like that that'll be fine. I think they're probably right. I don't think it's going to sell in any respect to how they're not expecting it to. How they sell it, where they sell it, or who it will not sell. What brand name is the brand name. This one not sell. Also, Afila is the stupidest name I've ever heard in my life.

Do you agree with that? It's up there. It's up there. Lucid Air, way better. It's Afa by Sony Honda Mobility, if you're curious, for their full name. It's a Fila. It's a Fila won. So what you're telling me is everything on the website is named stupidly, including their tagline.

The car. The car itself. And they're doing the one thing like Polestar, which is already leading to a bunch of BS. It really. First up, I just reviewed a Polestar. Don't remember which. You review the four. Yeah, I guess.

Did it have a back window? No. That's the four? Okay, so the four is cheaper than the three. Yeah, and smaller. Well, because... So, oh, I bought the three? Oh, it's actually a lower number than the four, even though it's a nicer car.

That's how you know that it's been out for longer. Imagine if the BMW 8 series was a front wheel drive hatchback. That's what we're talking about. That's, yeah, it's rough. All right, move on to the next news story. There's more good stuff. Oh, this is exciting. The TRX is back!

Yes, it is. The TRX is back! This is so... exciting. But not only is it back, it's back with a serious engine. If you go to their website, my understanding is if you go to their website, they can get to the engine. This is exactly what it says. It says, hell yeah, it's got a hemi V8. You're joking. Nope. They know their customers really well, but it's got a 777. 77. Supercharged, 6.2 liter. God damn V8. And yeah, it's got the signature growl. Let it rip. You know, I'm of two minds about this, believe it or not.

Really? I love the RHU. I think the RHRHRRF has been so unfairly hated on. Yeah, I agreed. But it still exists. There's just more. 777 horsepower. Where's the hell yeah?

I want to see it. Oh yeah, it's right down here. And there's a button where you can, hell yeah, it's going to hit me V8. Oh my God. And you can press a button and it makes noise. They're crappy start stop button. The horrible plastic stops button.

You can't tell it's plastic on it. No, you can't. But that's the same one they've been using and everything since the Dodge Darry. But I love that. But I'm so happy that this is bad. It's just a ridiculous truck. Those 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds. Pretty wild.

It's nice to have it back. I agree. 777 horsepower. You're going to get one? No. But Nick Martin. Demon V8. Yeah.

But it ain't cheap. Base price of $1. It starts at $102,000. What is the Raptor are those? I don't know what a Raptor are. It's close. Clapter R is 114. Raptor has always been more expensive.

T-RX was always the value and it's still the value. However, RHO is so good. The Archer will look. continue. I still haven't seen one on the road. I saw one. I saw it last weekend and I almost took a picture of it. I'm astonished. Like, it's so good. I know. You like the hurricane. You like the hurricane. You drove that charger with the hurricane and it was great. I was revved. You didn't, oh, you weren't here. I wasn't here though. That's the mistake you make when you leave. Instead of next week, I'm getting the outback. Not the same. I'm excited about that. Yeah, but it's not that. You want to drive the six

pack, buddy. Well, I will say, I don't want to drive this. Can you get one of these soon? Yeah, presumably. This is so cool. So, They're back with the TRX. Is our next new story of the charger? Move on to the next. I should. Yes. Boom!

The charger's got a V8 back, which actually is unfortunate because I just reviewed the six cylinder and I filmed it all and it's already gone and I was like, I think they're going to do a V8, maybe. I didn't know. And now they are. They screwed me over.

Yep. They originally said it was going to be Justy Vee, and there's going to be a V6 version. Yeah. Straight six version. And now there's a V8. V8. How much power is this thing?

You know, I think they haven't announced which V8. Yeah. They haven't yet known the side of, or rather they haven't yet announced, whether it'll be the 5.7 and 6.4 supercharged or not. You got to assume eventually they'll have... I drove the hurricane standard output. Charger.

I loved it. I don't know that I would spend what they ask. What do they ask? It's like two expenses, like more than a Mustang. But I would argue, and I apply this to a lot of goods. It's also a lot more car than a Mustang. So like, you're really, you're ahead and away. It might be longer than a TRX.

And it's a hatch. If that's what you're after. Yeah. You're heading away. It turns, yeah, if you park kind of dimensionally, you are ahead. It's cool. I like the six-cylinder. I'm thrilled they're doing a V8.

The V8s are back. Meanwhile, Zekers over here. We're going to come to America. We don't want it. We want this. There will certainly be a Hellcat one, too. You got to see them. Yeah, of course.

Then there'll be a Hellcat red eye, and then there'll be a Hellcat. And you know what? What a wide body. I got to tell you, if they do that, if they do that, I don't see why this is worse than the outgoing one. It's not. Like, it started as an EV and got. and got a lot of hate, but I think if they do come with a full line

of six-cylinder V8s, four-doors, special editions, they did it again. They succeeded again with another great car, and I love how it looks. Unfortunately, they will have taken three years off of the market. Yeah, and that's tough. It was a mistake. But we all thought EVs was where it was going to go.

You installed an EV charger in your hip. Convenient. What's a charger for? That's not what I was expecting him to say. But it is pretty amazing if they were able to turn the tides that fast and be able to put it. It's like, well, then I sure hope Porsche

can figure out with the Cayman quicker. Well, these existent power trains in a car with a massive front. Yep. So probably, now, Porsche, who knows? I mean, I don't know where they were going with those cars. Batteries are big. Rip that crap out.

Batteries are big, thin and long. They're thin and long. That's part of the problem is, like, some of these cars, when the automakers say it wasn't engineered to be a gas engine, a lot of times it's true. Yep. A lot of times they're lying to us.

We'll see. Again, I'm still waiting for that. diesel Mazda 6. Right. Any day now. Any day now. Forget about that core with frequency,

as did the rest of the world. Okay, next story. Oh, this is exciting. I have been paying zero tension. Subaru saying new STI is coming. They haven't said anything about it. No, but they said they're going to announce it at the Toyota Auto Salon, which is on Friday in this air, so we don't know.

They're going to bring it, it really soon, yeah. There will be a new MR2 there, too. Now, it could be one of those things where it's an appearance package. They've done this before. Remember the BRZ STI or whatever it was called? Those are BRGTS.

You get my point. And it had like red stuff. And we're like, oh, it's coming. It's going to have 800 horsepower. And it didn't. No. No, it was. Yeah, but this is, I don't know.

This seems like, if they're going to do this to the WRX, you have to imagine. They know the demographic for the car. They know what people want. I would imagine it's not just going to be an appearance. Later in this news segment, he's going to report on how bad W. W.X sales were this year.

So maybe they're hoping. I will say Super is also on a pretty significant product defense. If you can name any two of the new Subaru's, I'll buy you an STI. Of the new Subaru's, unfortunately, I only know the legacy models. Damn, a good joke. Thank you. Thank you.

I knew you'd like that. There's a new forester that just came out. There's a new Outback that came out yesterday afternoon. There's a trail seeker. Yep. And there's a sunrunner. Uncharted. Uncharted.

And, of course, the Solterra has been refreshed. Uncharted just like its sales. The Solterra is not still on sale, refreshed. No. Still on sale refreshed. I don't accept it. I'm so sorry, but it's on sale and it's a refresh. What I'm telling you is that I don't accept it.

It is not good. Subaru needs to do something in the WRX. They sales around 41% last year. It's hefty. It still outsells a lot of the other sporty. Like, what does BRZ say? How many WRXs do you think they sold last year? It was like 10,000, but how many BRZ is they selling?

Right around there. Yeah, like how many Supras? Like, they don't sell them present anymore. They might. I don't think they do. That's the only sedan. I still took that up now. Yeah, that's true.

They have gotten rid of, like, cars. It's like a standalone vehicle at this point. Maybe they should give us a Forrester STI that we've always wanted. You know what they should do is give us the cross-track STI that we actually want. If they give us a cross-track STII, wouldn't you be happier? When I was in Japan, especially in, like, the mountain towns where they were, like, people visiting from the town, but like live up there, live up there, might want something sporty and have money. There were so many Lvorgs and Lavorgs, especially, the last-gen-L-O-R-G STI. Oh, I would give anything.

Which, like, the wagon. Lle-R-X. Oh, cool. There's demand, and they're a home market for this, too. They do the offer that in their home market. They don't offer an SDI. No, but they offer a W-R-X, which you saw a ton of. Truly.

They were the last-gen-Livorg-S-G-D-I's, and current-gen-W-Rex. It did always surprise me that they didn't do this. I always got the sense that Subaru felt like they wanted to be a different automaker. They realized there were sales they were leaving on the table, but they, like, didn't want to be the automaker of the vape guys anymore. And now? And so they went after Outback, and they went after Cross-Wark. and all that, and Nick bought one, not crazy regular. Other Nick.

But maybe they decided they want to sell some cars. Yeah, but that was wrong. They sold 3,000 BRGs. That's a thing. So they're selling 11,000 WRX. But that's down from 20 last, in 2024. 20,000 BRZs? How many?

No, no, sorry, that's down from 20,000 WRXs. Yeah. I know it's lower, but it's segment competitive. It's about where everybody, Miato's like 12. When I did the review the one the other day, it's like around there too. Weird decisions.

This will do well for not very much work, is my point. Maybe. I mean, you know, we'll see. I'm excited. It needs poor power. It needs to have 420. It won't. Okay.

Next story. Oh, Philippa's your favorite news story. I would like to talk about some end-of-year results. A Chevy dealer in Florida. Yeah, definitely in Florida. With the, like, Kia dealer behind it, and I believe Chrysler Jeep. And Costco, man. And Costco is my literal dream.

Okay, so what you want to talk about your end sales. I want to talk about them, too. It's generic. I'm going to lead with some fun facts. Okay. Overall, new car sales were up 2% last year. Yeah. Which really was different than any of us expected.

Yeah, I agree. Dodge sales down 28%. Well, they killed off the car. They don't sell cars. Here's a fun fact for you, though. What do you think sold more? Charger Daytona EVs or Alpha or males? You know, you have this in here as a gotcha, but I would assume the charger.

Is Alpha still selling cars? Alpha still sells two cars. The Tonale. The Jewel and the Tonale. Yeah. They're bad, though. Yeah. The fact that,

charger with their Dodge with their EV that nobody likes. Yeah, but remember, at one point... Sold more than Alpha. At one point, they got the lease deals down to like $83 a month, and they would come and shine your shoes. That helped. The shining the shoes... That was valuable.

That was a real value. A real value at. It is. Yeah. Nevertheless, they sold more of those. WRAX sales are under $11,000 last year. Yeah. And then here's two fun facts here.

Yeah. Ev sales down. Yeah. Especially after the EV instead of ended. In December, EVs were 6.6% of new car sales. 11.2% last to sell. So that's a big deal because that implies EV sales

are down almost 50%. Which from 11.2 to 6.6.6. We don't have a full year because the incentive only went away October 1st. But just comparing December to December, which is an apples to apples comparison, 11% to 6.5%.

But hybrid sales up really, really noted. Well, you know, I want to question that. What's a hybrid? My E-Station is a hybrid. What do you mean? It needs to be propelled. It needs to have some amount of electrical oil.

Okay, well, then my sequoia is a hybrid. I'm getting 12 miles per gallon. The Sequoia is a hybrid, and 50% of Toyota sales last year were hybrids. Hell yeah. And the Sequoia certainly counts. Also, every new Camry is a hybrid. Next year will be more because every new ref four is hybrid. Every Sienna.

There's a ton more now, the CRB, the Tucson. Everybody's getting hybrids. But hybrid sales also really up at Honda. One thing that was interesting looking across each of the automakers, like end-of-year earnings, a lot of them pointed out that the lower trims are the ones that have the most sales growth. So Ford was the most explicit about it, but they're going to start building more lower-trim, Mavericks, the scape's gone, but Broncos sports, Broncos, because that's what's selling.

In a way that before, it was like, Toyota was selling all the T-R-D pros in the world. Yeah. Ford was selling the Sasquatch Broncos. But now, as those vehicles have matured, and as the consumer sentiment has gotten a little weaker, yep, you're buying the you're buying the less-for-

Ford Lower Trim Mar-Rower. So it's interesting because the implication here is that auto industry is actually relatively healthy. Sales were actually up, which was a surprise. However, it seems to be maybe lower-trim cars. Which is proven by that list we saw the, we and me looked at the other day, of cars that had the longest days on the lot,

a day supply, and it was a lot of high-end stuff. It was the Lexus LX overtrail, God's car. Yep. But it was also all the hybrid forerunners in Tacoma's. Surprising, actually, but that's the tough thing. Overall, new car prices were not notably higher in 2025 and 2024,

but I do, like, actual sale prices. I do think that was partially driven by a change in mix to the lower trim levels that offset some actual price increases. Instead of the promised recession, people are still buying, but they're just raining and in a little bit. Yep. And by the way, they're also selling a lot of trucks. No surprise. What's going to happen to the Kia tell you, Ryan?

It's going to do well. Kia sales were up something like 6% year-over-year-over-year last year, maybe a little more than that. So it outpaced the market. So it gained share. Sure did. There you go. Kia and Hyundai were far than most successful. Really.

Really. Boom. Another big year of Kia Hyundai. Meanwhile, Volkswagen's still trying to figure out what to do about an electric van. Volkswagen not... You know, this isn't a new story we have in here because it happened weeks ago, but we haven't covered it.

They did announce, confirm that they're taking a model year off on ID Buzz. People have been saying it's canceled. It's not canceled. They're going to take the year off because they have a lot of stock. And I bet you they'll come back 27, but whenever someone does this,

whenever an automaker does this, they always come back with a different product. And I bet you there's going to be some changes. Either they're going to give it more power train and more range like a lot of people have been asking for, or they're going to give a short wheel base or drop the price.

Or maybe, just maybe, they'll put a cup holder in the second row. Don't get your hopes up. God will, I will say, just to get the number of square. Kia sales up 7% year every year, Hyundai up 8%. Toyota also strong year up 8%. Ford up 4%. Yeah. Now, part of it, I wonder, Toyota had a lot of new products last year.

It was expected. Hyundai, Kia, not really true for them. They have a lot of new products at the very end of the year. I think 2026 will be a big year. Well, the Palisade was new throughout the whole year. Part way through the year. But I'll tell you, that wasn't propelled by, Bionic nine sales.

No. Okay, move on to the next thing. Yes, the Arizona Audubon. So currently there's legislation that been proposed in Arizona that will return the speed limit in like rural areas, which is like 50,000 people are less than like towns in these areas to reasonable imprudent, which means there is no speed limit. Now, they are also going to, there are going to be larger alleged derestricted parts of highway. But the thing is, this is all, again, this is a proposal.

This is something they want to test. there's a pretty good chance this legislation gets killed. Anyway, but what I found that was interesting about this is, like, with the derestricted spots, they're saying it's going to be derestricted during the day and 80 miles an hour at night, which is kind of, which I accept. And, like, there are pretty large stretches of Arizona. You just want to get through. There ain't nothing there.

You are not going to hit anything. Welcome to my life. Yeah, you know this better than anybody, but imagine you being able to rip on, like, an autopon in a German car. You'd get excited. Remember in Montana, that's what happened. That's what killed it. Right.

So, yes. Reasonable and prudent, is that the rule? Reasonable and prudent, yes. Now, if this work, they're going to do a test, they want to propose, they're proposed, sorry, they propose that they're going to do a test on Interstate 8 between Casa Grande and Yuma for a year, is the proposed? That's not the section I do. Yes, it is.

I know, if I'm going to my in-laws, we leave the 8 in Yuma, which makes sense. We don't really drive through. That's a thing. You're complaining about this, but you don't do it. I would go through Phoenix instead. I would go through Phoenix the 17th. I would do that. Well, if this works, they said.

they're going, they would expand it to large sections of the interstate 10, 17, 19, and 40, as well as a pretty large section of the 15. I want them to do it just for the two-lane roads, the 95 from you about to Quartzite. They're never going to do that. And then all the roads from Quartzite to Prescott. This is interesting. It's interesting. I have a strong suspicion of a past.

You know, it's funny because Arizona is actually one of the most heavy enforcement states about speed laws. You know, Arizona is a pretty conservative state. No states really empower the police. And it's incredible when you drive through Arizona. I mean, I'm just scared, especially as a California, and you put your cruise control on a little over the speed limit, and if you go over 90 in Arizona, it's like a felony.

It's so insane. The laws are just so, so draconian about speed. It's laughable that they, of all places, would come up with this. Right. Well, they're citing other states. So right now, there are nine states that have speed limits over 80. They're also looking at Montana, which has said that even with higher speed limits,

they've not seen significantly higher crash rates. Now, that does not apply to the national average, which has seen an increase in death rates from traffic accidents, since 2019. So I don't really know exactly how this would pan out. I would be interested, of course, if they test us. I think it's fascinating for, especially for you. I would change my route.

I will say this. As someone who actually drives on the roads in discussion, on the lot of state roads. The state roads, it'll never happen. It'll only be on the interstates. I promise you. There will never be a two-lane road ever. Turns out when you have visibility for miles in every direction.

Well, that's the other thing. Rural Northeast Nevada, those are derestricted. There aren't police. So like, but... We do not advise doing anything. One of the things

that I've learned, driving through the middle of nowhere, which I, you know, I spent an enormous amount of time in my life doing this. No one's in like in the middle of nowhere

with a Ferrari ready to go 150. Like, you could make the speed limit whatever. Nobody cares. They're going to go what they feel comfortable. And I was thinking about this with my driving cross country

with my dog and all my stuff. Would I speed it up? Not really. I would probably still go whatever I go, which was probably 80, 80, 85. I don't know.

Wow. Yeah, but you'd feel comfortable maybe overtaking someone at 100 or whatever. But I think also, I mean, at least from my experience on the German autobond this summer, you kind of get it out of your system and then when you have to drop the speed back down, you're fine with it. Like, it's like, yeah, it's fine.

But you like to cruise like at 130 kilometers now, which is about 80. In Germany, you have these autobons between cities, people actually are trying to get between. Right. But in the States, like, if you're driving on I-40 there, between in northern Arizona, off through New Mexico, Albuquerque, like, there's not like people

who are doing that drive. It's all big trucks and people on the, long road trips. And no one's sitting there trying to... So, like, this is a cool idea, and I think it's neat, and it would be fun as a car enthusiast, but they'll still cite people for going really fast. And it's... The people who are going to use it already are probably doing this.

Yep. Right. They're going as reasonable and prudent as they feel... Yeah, is reasonable and prudent. I don't disagree with that. Nonetheless, an interesting case, we'll see if it gets to... If they pass this, if they test this, and we'll just see what happens. But I would love to see the circle with the slashes in it would be cool.

Well, when Montana did it, there were two signs. One said day speed limit, reasonable imprudent, night speed limit, whatever it was. Regional and prudent is a long set of words to put on a speed limit. Yeah, well, so is speed limit. It all works. But remember how Montana, how it ended in Montana. Someone got cited in a Camarago in 100. And he argued that was reasonable and prudent.

And he took it all the way to the state Supreme Court. And eventually it was decided, this is silly to have to litigate this. Let's just make a darn speed limit. Yeah. Yeah, don't disagree. Anyway, regardless, it may not pass. It's very likely it won't pass, but nonetheless, pretty cool. Interesting people are talking about it.

Agreed. We got any more news? No, that's the end of the news. The news took up all, everything, but we haven't been on the pod for weeks. I know. It's been weeks. Missed you too, Philippe. So we had a lot of news.

Forgive us. We can move on to the Talk Cars segment now, and there are several very important talk cars things, but I'm going to start with announcing first and foremost right here on the podcast that I am back on. cars. Woo! All right. That's great.

Fantastic. For the last three years, I've been saying I'm off cars and I don't want any more cars and I'm not getting any more cars. And finally last fall, I started to crack about the 993 turbo and I bought that. And now I'm like full-fledged. I'm ready to buy a lot of stuff. Let's get it going. Well, addiction is a real problem.

If you suffer from this. I want an overtrail LX-700H. Okay, I'm ready to do that now. We, me and Felipeo and Sean, have been talking. to the, there's only three CPO LX 700H overtrails in the country for sale. We've been talking to one of the dealers, which is

Woodfield Lexus in the Chicago suburb. Are you hoping that this helps you get the car? Folks, if you work at Woodfield Lexus, they're asking price on the one they want, they have it's 112. We're firm at 93. I don't think this is a bridge that can't be bridged, a gap that can't

be bridged. Well said, you must be a writer. Anyway, I want an LX-Sept. 100 Hover trail and I'm ready. Triple lockers. Triple lockers. Say it. Say the line. I told Felipe over the weekend,

my sports cars have three pedals and my SUVs have three lockers. That is quite a mistake. Sequoia's gone. I've mentally, I've already made it. I've already made it all happen. By the way, if someone wants my Sequoia, please, it's great. It's got a bad car fax, scratched wheels.

The running boards are off it and the windshield is cracked. It's a clean title, though. Yeah. In addition to that, I got Rami. You know Rami. Inbound motorsports on cars and business. Inbound motorsports, Rami, the greatest person of all time. I have him looking for an E55 station wagon for me out of Europe or Japan.

We're not sure where it comes. W210. 210. 2000, 2001. That's what we want. Third row. Need a third row. Ready to do that.

If you have one, if you're a listener in Germany. Or Japan, more likely. If you're in Japan, listening to the pod, I'm back on cars. I'm ready to buy. I'm so glad. Let's do it. I've missed on cards, Doug. I forgot how manic he is, though.

When he's off cars, it's like he's all theoretical, but now he's like, I want it now, get it to me, now, I want it now. And he throws a lot of proposals about cars that he wants out. And that is the other thing I want to talk about. There's one other car that's really tickled my fancy. Really? Over the holidays. What could that be?

And I'm not going to buy it, but I want it. And it's the D-Tamaso P-72. Oh, interesting. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Okay, so there's all these upstart supercar companies, and I don't want any piece of any of them, okay? Like, Zinger, we did the review.

It was cool, but, like, I'm not buying one of those. This is interesting to me. Yep. This car is appealing to me. Yeah. The company is in, like, Singapore or something. The car is built in Germany. The engine is a Coyote V8, just like the old D. Tomaso,

it was all used American V. 351 Cleveland's, yeah? Yeah, the Mangustas and the Pantera's. So, it's so beautiful. It is achingly pretty. It's a three-pedal manual. Yep. Gated six.

speed, I think. Now, they want two and a half. They claim they're all sold out. So it's not a, it's a pipe dream. But I'm looking at this thinking, because I said a couple of weeks on the pod, there are no new cars that I put on my list that I'm interested in. This has some appeal to me. It is so beautiful. The interior is wild. The interior is cool. The exterior is cool. The other thing is, so they do a track-only version with a V-12. And I won, boy, I would love it if they bring a V-12 look like that. I want the reliable one.

I want a coyote V-A. Like, how cool is this? Look at that. Like, this is a beautiful car with a beautiful interior. There is a configurator up on their website, which stole about a half hour from me. Even though it's all sold out.

You're telling me you don't want one of these things like a hundred percent. It's quite pretty, quite special. So like Como he had it. Of all of the BS that's out there. And there's a lot of BS upstart supercar manufacturers. And I'm not going to say RIMAC, but people have said it. That's a not one to choose, but okay.

This is not BS. This is beautiful, manual, cool. Picture on Lake Como, we're doing well. If I could get one for half price. Oh, sure. At the right price. Firm at a million. Well, you gotta wonder, are they really sold out?

Are they really selling them at two and a half? Have you ever seen one? You know what I mean? You got to wonder, what's really the story? Pagani, which is an established manufacturer, continues to produce the Zonda after all this time. So I'll bet if you give them

enough money, they'd make another one for you. But I don't want to give them enough money. I want to give them half. It's a different thing. People go to Horacio and they say, hey, I want to spend it, give you $10 million to make me a new Zonda. I want to go to these guys and say, hey, I'll give you half the money to make me another one. I don't know if that's going to be met well.

Shrewd negotiation. You can't tell me this isn't cool. I agree. This is the only new car I'm interested in. It's so cool. Except for the L. 700A. Which I already said. No, but in terms of sports cars, I haven't been interested in a sports car since the

Career GT went out of production until this. What are the doors? Cool. They're cool doors, dude. Cool doors. I don't know the answer to that. It is such a cool car. I can't believe this appeals to it.

It's got so pretty. It's got so much Ferrari P4 in it. Well, obviously, yeah. And on the configurator, you can configure it to look like a P4. Look at that. Look how mean that looks. That's a modern car. Are you kidding?

Yeah, I can't believe. That is so cool. And all these, all these things out there with all these zivers. and Zavvers and Zenvo's. That's what I want. Yeah, okay. All right, well, that's great. Thanks for that useful piece of consumer advice.

Back on cars! Love a $2 million car for a million dollars, wouldn't we all? Can't afford not to buy it? If you're D-Tomato and you either want Doug to review it and or offer you half price for it, you know where to reach us. What do you think the secondary market is like? Okay, so they made 72, but did they make 72? We don't know.

Right. and because there's an inquire section on their website, but it also says it's sold out. Well, I want to inquire. Can't please Germans are building a car that looks this beautiful. Germans are building this. Germans are building this. So that means it will have one catastrophic engine flaw despite being a coyote.

It's a coyote, dude. It's going to be awesome. So what does the secondary market look like? Does anyone know those car exist? I don't know. If there's an owner, I bet you that most of these sold to people who are in questionable legal situations, I'm ready. I'll get you out of your D.

I'll give you one, too, today. Right before the feds impound it. Do it now. Don't you agree with me that that's probably... No comment. Highly accurate. Highly accurate. Very cool.

Love that car. I want this car. All right. Can I get one? Hey, if you got the money. I don't. And you can inquire. I don't have the money.

If you are the money and they're sold out. I do wonder whether D. Tomasu has it in the U.S. Are they... If they did, they would be show or display only. If somebody's got one here... I'd like to be showed or perhaps displayed one of the... cars look at that shifter yeah this is beautiful this is like the Porsche people with their with their stitching this is actually beautiful that's actually cool yeah yeah

yeah the incredible is like truthfully cool yep incredibly flippa doesn't like this car i think it's beautiful okay canon tell us about the sl 65 yes i have a comment to make about that so recently came back from its first service with me and as per the usual i overspent on it i had originally intended to spend about two grand on it and spent 4100 on it which i detail on a video on my own channel very soon I go into everything that was done with it. He told me, he said, two grand, that's okay. What does that mean?

He was like, two grand. He got mad at me. It was two grand is what it means. Yeah, it was four. But it was, I dealt with a bunch of silly stuff. And I talked about in the video that there are, the thing we found is that it is leaking some coolant and some oil. So I'm key kind of monitoring that to see exactly like what you've been a little

a while ago. Well, one of the things we replaced was the coolant expansion tank, which was cracked. And guess what's in that coolant? So we're keeping an eye on like what exactly is going on with the car. But it's like it doesn't help that I've been like on a Viper focus and the car just cost me $4,100. And it's like, I think it's going to need more service. And so like.

You ready for a Viper? We got a nice third on the site. I want a Gen 1 or at 1.5. But yeah, it's, I don't know. I'm in two minds because the other thing is I then drove the car to my friend Ryan, Larissa says like on the highway, not de-restricted. But I still like exercise the engine of it. My God.

is one of the great engines. The V-12 and that's also a thing. In a way, it's one of the great power. A luxury viper. It is. You know, everybody calls it a German viper. I guess it's a luxury viper, but like, it's not as unruly as the viper is.

That's why it's a luxury viper. Right. Well, yes, but I think that means that it's nicer put together. It doesn't actually share that much in common with the viper. It might, you know. Big power. The whole point of the viper is that it's, big power they both share, yeah,

and they're both rural drive, but the viper is, like, just raw, and this is just not. There's nothing raw about it. Have you thought about a yellow red? A yellow red? You mean a red yellow? I've parked over there.

Someone would say the car is more red than yellow. Yes, I have thought about that. I like that car a lot, the ketchup and mustard. So I don't know what I want to do. I still have, I'm still not sure. I really, I love drive. I just love that engine, but you only get to experience that on the highway and around town. It's kind of pedestrian, I would say.

Or light to light, man. Especially. You can't use first gear. It just like, just it won't put the power down. especially when you're dropping 4 grand to get it stressed. Yeah, it's like, that's a lot. And I did, like, a lot of, like, a lot of little things that needed. It did get lower control arms, for instance,

and I go into a lot more detail about this in my video. Does it drive better? It does. I got an alignment done on it and bounce the wheels, and we also did, there's, you can adjust the wheel bearings, which is odd. But it drives so, like, arrow straight now and so smooth. And it's just, it's just effortless. Everything in that car is effortless.

But 4,100 into a viands. 4,100 into a Viper gets you a motor, a top end rebrand. Yeah, done. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know. I don't know. I still don't know. Find it on cars and beds within the next month.

Yeah, you're going to sell it? You're going to sell it. I mean, I committed to selling it at some point. I'm not keeping this car forever. That was never my intention. But last time we were on the pot, at some point you'd said August, then I had like got you down to like March or something. Is that still a thing?

Yeah, somewhere in that right. When did you buy it, October? I bought it in early October, yes. Wow. So it could be a six-month thing. Yeah, which is fine. The goal with this was to cycle through cars and get a varied number of experiences. Yeah, I support it.

But I don't know. I just, I love the engine, but I just wish it were more special around. Your other story on this talk cars is that you spent merely $1,300 on the M5. Yes, I made a goal last year that I was not going to spend more than I said two grand initially, and I think I stretched it to $2,500, but I still didn't spend more than $1,348, always spent on the M5. But wait. Don't you feel that spending the $4,100 on the other car kind of negates the success at spending the $1,300 on the M5? It was never a part of the initial. But I mean, okay, yeah, you didn't spend more on your M5. Instead, you bought an E60 M5,

put a motor in it, $35,000. Hey, but guess what? Well, yes, but if you have a second car, you have to do maintenance. That's just life. Like, that's how it goes. So, so, so this is like an end run around your little goalie goal here, isn't it? Well, it was I said on the M5. The goal was to get the M5, this is the story, is the goal to get the M5 to be reliable, and it was really solid all year.

I think that the whole point of the goal was to get away from your compulsive overspending on cars, and what ended up happening was, you spent $4,100 on this SLC5. I don't think I oversped. It was stuff that it needed. I don't think it was overspending. I agree. You're giving a miss? I mean, when

when you spent on Kuntash maintenance, it Does it impact your understanding of the courage you tease reliability? No, but the spirit of the law. Don't follow the letter of the law like you always do. The spirit of the law was we're trying to see if Kenan cannot spend a lot on cars. Write a better law. Well, I like cars to be well maintained. Like, I like it to work.

All right. Do we have a new resolution for 26 on anything? I think I'm going to maintain the resolution on the M5 and not spend two grand again to prove to you you back to back that car is reliable. once it's sorted, and I think that's going to happen again. I don't really like, I do, there's some, it needs to go in for an oil chain. Okay, what about the SL 65? You're going to sell it?

It's going to be gone this year for sure. Can you put a 26 goal to get a viper? I have been thinking about that. Are you ready to commit? I think. Are you ready to commit? In the calendar year, yes, I think I can commit to getting Gen 1 Viper. I think I can commit.

That was a Felipe style commitment. I would say, fine. I will not be like Felipe. I will be like Felipe and I will, buy a car, I will commit to getting a viper in this calendar year of 2020. Wow, you heard it here first. He's going to drive a manual V-10, only the finest of that. You made a point to me that, like, the fun car should be manual. And it's like, although my daily is manual, it's like, you know, I've really started to lean into this more and people get

mad at you. Like, you always say manual, everything. You don't need your whole personality to be manual. For me, at least, like, the rare amount of time that I get driving a fun car when I'm not, you know, with my family or committed to work or doing this or that or traveling, The rare amount of time where I, once a month where I really get into a car, I don't want it to be a point in shoot. I want to drive the car. And hopefully that's your case. Manual V-10, dude, me and Corridgeti, you and the Viper,

and anyone who's done a manual swap on an Econo line. Ooh. Oh. Is that something anybody has done? We'll find out. Right to us at Sean at Cars and Bids.com. That's S-E-A-N at Cars and Bids.com. Philippa, you got any talk cars aside from the 997?

Okay. aside from the gorgeous 997. Yeah. Dot 2, as we say in the community. All right. On the 25th of this month, on the 23rd, or Friday the 23rd, I and some other people from Cars and Bids

are going to be in Scottsdale for the Avant pit stop during Arizona Car Week. Learn more of the event on our events page, and then come say hi. Will there be a 190 Evo 2 there? God willing. Relatedly. Where is this?

It's amazing. Arizona. Mesa, Arizona, the warehouse. During Arizona Car Week, there's a bunch of events, there's a bunch of in-person auctions, a bunch of great car events around Scottsdale and Phoenix will be there. So if you live in Arizona, or if you live in California, you want to come say hi?

Okay, but what about people in New Mexico? You don't, you're not. New Mexico is kind of far. Are you aware of how far Phoenix is from New Mexico? Well, a lot of California is about that far too. So this is over in the warehouse and Mesa. If you live in Mesa, you know where this is. It's right off of the 87.

The warehouse looks cool. Next to the, next to the, it's like a shipyard going on there. The warehouse looks incredibly cool. So I'm really excited for the event. And then after that, I'm going to go pick up the 1972, 1973 F-250. Down the street from the warehouse, there's a Mickey's Hot Dogs, and Felipe will buy you a hot dog. I will. If you come to this event, Felipe will buy you a hot dog.

I feel like I need more than just, there will be food there, I believe. I don't know. I don't feel they need to personally buy you a hot dog, but. Felipe will personally buy. Whoever shows up with the coolest car. Yes, I will buy you a hot dog. Felipe will walk with you down Broadway there in Mesa, Arizona, to the Mickey's hot dogs, and he will buy, it's open to 11 p.m., and he will buy you a hot dog.

That is my commitment to you. Whatever you want on it, he'll get your toppings. He'll even put them on for you. If you want that relish crap that people sometimes put on hot dogs, he'll do it. I endorse this message. Okay, you're taking the truck back. And then I will have to go take the truck, pick up the truck from Northern Arizona and drive it home. Fliper's got some 60s truck.

It's a 1970. 73. It's built 1972 based on a 373 model year. It doesn't say that anywhere, but like you know. What's the title say? 73. So it does say that somewhere. Have the title.

I'm going to go. I'm trying to figure out how to best get at home. I'm cheap and so I don't want to pay a train. Dude, last night. All right. I want to do it myself. He's not going to tell you the truth here. But last night he comes over and he's like, I think I'm going to bring this truck back by

myself. He goes, I can't believe it, but I've been. getting shipping quotes for a thousand bucks. And I'm like, all right, well, what's the alternative? He goes, well, you haul is, I can run a U-Haul for $300. I said, well, wait a minute, you haul are you $300, and then fuel hauling a hulking old truck is going to be another $200. Yeah.

So you're $500. That's savings. Meanwhile, you're towing using a box truck with a trailer. Yeah. Through Arizona and California pulling a seven, an old pickup to save $500. Yeah. Not to mention it's going to take you two days to do it. It won't take me...

Well, the day up and the day back. I'm just going to go visit my in-laws anyway, so I got to be up there. It'll take you a full day to bring this truck back. California Highway, 55 miles an hour. So I don't know what you value a day of your time at, but let's call it... Because it's you, let's call it $125. There you go. That's the math that plays out.

Doing this to save like $350. You could just call a guy. That's three days of my time. And so the math works out in my favor. I think I'm actually kind of looking forward to this I think it'll be a nice... You're looking forward to driving a large

empty. You haul box truck. Well, no, no. I also need to bring home a china cabinet for a mother-on-house house. You're kidding. So you all have been lost now.

So you have to put... Wait a second. Is it just the cabinet? Yeah, yeah. The cabinet won't fit in our station, I'm not going to barely. But you realize how hard that it's going to strap down one thing?

You think I don't know how to strap things? Yeah, I don't. You think you're wrong. You're wrong. I actually do. Dude, this is going to be a disaster. Can we be there when you arrive? Yes, of course. Although I got to figure out where to bring the truck to get worked on,

because it's very hard to find a shop, though, work on an old car. Did he get to be, like, top gear where he, like, opens it, and the China cabinet has just fallen out. Sean's upset. And if you want to know why he's upset, send us an email at Sean S.E. I will throw out there just to use our platform. If you're an automaker that wants to prove the towing capacity of your vehicle, and you want to just let me want me to let me on.

What do I have? When are you doing this? The weekend of the 23rd The weekend of the 23rd I have to tow at least like 5,000 times I have the temerario Are you interested

Can that toe 5? It's got the torque to do it Got a lot of power But you know If you're if you're somebody That wants to prove That you have a real truck Or a real SUV

You know this is actually an opportunity For General Motors Because he gets a Ford right Yeah So you could be He had Ford doesn't run But the 2,500 Durhamax runs

That's brilliant All right Folks if you If you run PR for General Motors. This is your opportunity. If Mary Barra is watching this, this is your chance to

prove to the world. Filippo will make a video. It'll get 6,000, 7,000 views. Thank you. Appreciate that. Okay, we got to move on at the market report. Remember, Mickey's Hot Dogs. Yeah.

On Broadway. Which is the coolest car, add the avant's piss up. You got to have the coolest car, and I'm going to be the judge of that, so Filippe goes to send photos all night. Okay, we got to move on to the market report, which of course is brought to you

by Filippo's wheels. And I'll give you the market report on those. they're worthless. Do you have any idea how much BBSLums are worth? I know. I want to talk, let's just only do the LX because we've got to move on to comments because the LX is so good.

Okay, so early this week, we sold Alexis LX470. Did you watch this auction at all, can't? A 100. Dude, you should have, because the comments were off the rails. Okay. So the truck is insane.

Here's a truck that is, that shows 593 miles on a land cruise. 5803, excuse me. On a land cruise. It's unhurt. So this is, So this is, you know you're going to get like everything. Reportedly, what the sellers, it sold for $67,000, which is a lot of money, but less than you expect the 600 mile 100.

And there's a reason for that. It has a not actual mileage title in Arizona. Which begins the price. By all accounts. Here's my understanding after doing a bunch of research on this. Toyota used to sometimes give trucks right off the production line to like trade schools and like instruction facilities where people learn to work. on those trucks. Already I have a tough time believing it.

That is what the seller claim. Yeah, and there is evidence that Toyota has historically done this. This is a $70,000 vehicle that they just gave to a trade suit. Right. Nothing, yeah, nothing better to learn to repair a vehicle on a brand new one that has no issues.

It's what they used to do. Too bad. We never got to oil trade pilots. Not broken in yet. Legitimately, that is something that Toyota and Lexus truly did. But there's this not actual mileage title. That's problem number two.

It was first titled in 2024. And also it's been repainted and the interior has been re-upled. Okay, and that's problem number three. But... So we don't know the mileage. And the typical giveaways of mileage, the exterior condition, the interior condition, have all been placed. But everything else

really does prove out that it is like the everything, engine bay, underbody-related, proves out that it is indeed a really low mileage. You look, it's unbelief. It's unbelievable. Cleanest 100 series in the world. Now, the sellers the seller didn't have the documentation

either conveniently or I don't think there's anything malicious happening I think they just But he didn't have the documentation and he said some tow truck driver put the mileage wrong and that's how it got an NAM title I don't understand that

the tow truck driver was he the one titling it it didn't make sense to me clearly the car is super low miles The market I think would have valued it at 100 with documentation With not documentation the market valued at 67 I don't know what the actual mileage is

And it is clearly low. I suspect that the miles shown on the odometer is correct. I have a suspicion it might be also. However, it also may have sat outside in the sun for 20 years. It did, and that's why he repainted it. Correct, that's what you said.

And the interior apparently had some tears in the leather. Which makes sense also if it sat outside in the sun for 20 years. It is a weird automobile. $67,000 seems like a lot of money for that, but at the same time, if you want the single cleanest LX, or you want to pull the chassis off of it,

or you want to pull the motor out of it. It's a little bit of a dice roll because none of this stuff could be, Was verified or could be verified? What do you think happens? Do you think it gets exported? I think if you wanted a new 100 series and you want to drive with Lexus Land Cruiser? Look at the engine bay photos.

It is wild. That is not somebody cleaning an engine bay photo. That's an engine bay that's not a rough. Clearly a car had super low miles. Wild. Or maybe the mechanic, the trade school were just replaced the whole thing yesterday. Yeah, exactly. The underbody is insane too.

The underbody's insane. I mean, it just is. There's no question. However, the Lemon Squad report noted that some underbush body looked like it had been painted. So there's all these like, I'm not sure about, and that's a little bit of a dice roll. Now, if you're a 100 series fan, and I am, I think it's the greatest linkers of all time. Yeah. A low mileage 0607 is already selling for this. Yeah. A 20,000 mile 0607 is already a 67. So this number is actually pretty reasonable. And frankly, I think it's worth

the dice roll. You don't have documentation of the mileage. You don't have documentation in history, but hell. I mean, just like, just go at it. Right. Like, here's, this one was bid to 78 was 7,000 miles. This one, 18,000 miles, or it was 6 sold for 6. Remember when in 2021, we thought that, like, that result for that 2006, 65 was like a record breaking result at the time. And now that, this is a $100,000 car. Which is in, and it's an 03, and there's a really important distinction.

Yeah. This is. But the one we sold is in 06 and it's a really important distinction because everybody wants 06 and 7s. So anyway, it's a very unusual auction. Crazy thing. I think the number was completely correct for the car. Yeah, I agree.

It would have been 100 with more documentation. I think it could be four. if some stuff emerged that wasn't accurate. So I think this number is exactly right. I don't know what you do with it. It's just an insane. What would you do with it? Sell it is.

What do you do with it? I think you just, I really think it's a great case to just drive it. I agree. If you're like, I've been trying to, okay, LX over trail, Sequoia. But the way I really want is an LX, is an 06, a 100 series because it's the best motor, the best era. If that's what you want, here's a new. 67 won't get you a new, 67 won't get you a new sequoia or a new, but it will get you a new LX. That's an interesting point.

A new old one. Yeah. So that's my take on it anyway. That'd be cool. Yeah, imagine a mile ending up. Yeah, get to live like it's 2003 again. If you loved your 100 series and you want a new one, daring, a lot left. Nope, that's true.

Nor would you want to use a lot of them. This one is perfect. This one has a non-examized title, it's been paying, et cetera. It is a discount incredibly low mile hundred series. Yeah, right. How weird. It is a weird one, too, though, because it's this mid, you know, the 100-series world, there's the 100-1, 100-2, and the 100.3.

Okay. And this is a point two, which was great. It was a great car, but you know, you want a point three. And the point one sometimes had rear lockers. You know the whole situation. And you'd prefer a Toyota. This is a bit of an off color. Like, everything about it is a little.

You always prefer to the Toyota. Ferra NSX. Should we talk about that? Yeah, yeah, we should. Oh, yeah. So, yes, Matt Ferris sold his 2005 NSXT with us for $167,510. Dron. Yeah, serious money for one of these cars.

But, I mean, great, great presentation. by him, low mileage, late production, manual. I mean, it has everything going for it. I love this picture in particular of him driving. Yeah, yeah. That's great. He told me he was looking for a little bit more, but I think it was...

Nguer's makes no difference to the number that he gave me privately. I don't know if he's talked about on his pod, but NIRES makes no difference to number that he gave me privacy right around there. And I, based on me, I then looked at some cons, and I think this was about where it should have been.

Yeah, right. You had some lower miles car sell for a little more. You had some higher mileage car sell for a little less. This was right in between. The NSX market is surprisingly. well-defined. Yeah. Like, truly, there are comps around.

And there was one that like 15,000 miles that sold for just a tiny bit more. There's a little bit more. Especially define the O2-0-5s because they were basically all identical except color. And color can be a real distinguisher, and obviously this isn't one of the more desirable.

You know, you want the blue is what Kenan and I are looking for. Yep, that's true. Okay, we got to move on. Or yellow, honestly. Yeah, that car. Oh. Maybe not the L-C.

Didn't I drive that one? No. I think I did. I drove one. You drove the next one then. I want to move on to the questions, which are, of course, brought to you by Felipe's wheels. I got some questions about Felipe's wheels. And the questions, you can ask us questions.

And you should, folks, please, we need your questions. You go to cars and bids.com. You'll click on the community tab. There is a podcast questions thing. We make a post. It says, ask us questions. You post in it. It all works great.

It does. It's delightful. We got a bunch of good questions this week. I was able to go through weeks of questions because we haven't done this podcast in a week. and really get to some really good ones. Okay, okay. Starting with the first question from Unbe, Unbi. Doug, why did you do house reviews like five or six years ago?

Filippa, why did I do it? They were so good. They were good. They were great. They were great. What happened to that? We should go back. I would go to houses with you.

Let me tell you what happened. I realized that I wanted to do house reviews. You did? And I did three or four. And that was that. And they performed well. They did well. They did great.

They blew up. But what hit me was this. Here's what hit. me, I realized that if I was going to do house reviews, the best way to do it would be like the cars where you have variation, where you do a Plymouth Voyager one week and a McLennepf one the next week. And the only way to do variation is if you travel, because unlike the cars, this is a key thing about houses, they don't move. They're in place. You can sleep in a car, but you can't drive a house.

That's generally true. So it hit me to do it right, you'd have to travel. And this came, the house reviews I started doing right at kind of the end of my desire to be on the road every day. However, audience, I'm giving this to you. If you want to have a big YouTube channel like Mr. Beast, go to house reviews, travel all over the world, review a crazy chalet in Switzerland, and then a wild desert thing in Palm Springs, and then a rainforest rain tree in Brazil,

that is a billion-dollar YouTube channel right there. Right there, I'm giving this to you. I'm letting you have this, audience. You don't even have to email, Sean. You may not be the first to the head. No, dude, if you look at it, not like I do them. Like, quirks and features. Like, this, why is there a telephone here?

Like, people should be doing this. What about you? I should go, let's go. I'll book a fight right now. You could maybe get a D-Tamaso P-72, if only you would. In a few years. Anyway, that's why I did it, and that's why I stopped. Okay, next question.

Next question. Next question. Well, Doug reads questions. I do want to throw out there. Kenan just did a review with a McLaren 12C spider. I did, yes. I hear you type of mind that should come up. Yes, there it is.

Yes, so I just did a review with this. It was lovely. I was really surprised. I'd never driven an MP412C, and this thing drove just really well. It's a really impressive car. Having spent a lot of time in 458s and driven this,

it was like, I can't believe these are worth half of what 4-5-8s are. The driving experience is commensate and the bill quality too. That is purely based on brand and perception of reliability. And that's the key the perception of reliability.

These cars, so there is so much support for these things. The really early MP412Cs were hard to deal with. It was their first attempt at building a mass-produced car. The slightly later cars, like this one, became, they made a lot of improvements right away. You say that, but I was behind a Fisker Ocean the other day. Well, they didn't make any improvements.

But the owner of this car, he's also had it essentially since new. There was one guy who had it for like six months before him, and then he owned it the rest of the time, and he has all the service talks, and he said the car has been very, very solid. Go watch the video. But yeah, go watch the video.

It was a lot of fun to make, and we'll see how it does. The next question is from Jay Curry 3, and this question is for me, but I'm going to direct it to Kenan who can answer us. Dear Doug, your car list is incomplete. How can it not include a Delta Integral? I agree. First there's a Kuntash, hopefully an F40, a Delta you'd have the Holy Grill of 80s of Tying cars.

It's also quirky four seats for the family. Kenan, tell him why. Nowhere to work on it. You want to find a guy? You want to work on this Jay Curry 3? You want to come to San Diego with some tools? And you want to go on launch a Facebook pages to try to find parts and deal with Italians? I'll help.

We have to deal with one every week. You want to do it? You do it. There are exotic car shops in San Diego, but a lot of them just don't work on that car. Like, there's just no one who specializes in it. I think eventually if I really cared, I could find. I might have to go to L.A., but I don't want to do that. I don't love the car that deeply.

Exactly. The headache per value, like how much you love it is just not worth it. To you, I don't think, at this stage. At this stage. I do love an Evo 2, Integral. One of the coolest things in the world. Do you ever drive one? No, I would love to, though.

It would change your life. You wouldn't be a Porsche guy after that. Oh, look at that wing. I'm telling you, this is one of the best, this is the best driving hot hatchback I've ever experienced my life. Wow. It's so tight, so tossable. The power is perfect.

The seats are insane. You know, I wrote that lesson. I did, so I picked it. Go to the seat, thank you. Show us the seats. They're so bolstered. Let me tell you something. For 80s car seats, you can only get seats like this in an F40 and this.

It's so cool. I would... Maybe the yellow bird. I dream of having one. That would be like an ultimate car for me. It's up there. Well, okay. Jake Curry 3.

Hey, you paid maybe more for that thing? Yeah. Why don't you come here and work on Filipos? Why don't you come up, since you want us to get one so bad. Sadly, they're no longer 50 grand. But yeah, but you can go on for 100. Yeah. And you can get out of it for 100.

Yeah. And you just hope it doesn't throw a rod. Because if it does, like, buy. Yep. You do an EV swap at that point. Can I ask a question on my own? Yep. All right, while you were talking with the integral, that R8 popped up.

Yeah. And is there a singularly more desirable R8? No. Well, well, oh, interesting. Overall. Overall. It's certainly the most desirable first-gen R8. I know, but I kind of mean, oh, so this is a first-gen-gen-v10 plus stick coup.

They only made, and it's a paint-to-sample. And it's 14,000 months. They only made, like, a few dozen stick V-10 pluses or something. It's an incredibly rare call. So low. And it is a Gen 1.5. It's a Gen 1. Because none of the Gen 2 cars had sticks.

Right, but then the Audi RAP will call it. Yes, although most of that relates to the switch between the single clutch and the dual clutch. And so if you have a stick, it's not like that huge of a deal. But the fact that it's a V-10 plus with a stick is insane. And low miles and a special call. This has to be the most desirable, right? Oh, yeah. I guess it is.

I mean, a late R8 GT, probably there are some special versions of the second gen that currently sell for more. Yeah, but although it's already a 219. Yeah. Are there? Well, what is it? The R8 just went away,

and the GT at the end was like a 280 car, I think, with us from the sticker. So. Yeah, I think that current V10 performances are in the high 100s. This is a cool. This, by the way, I think has room to go still, given... This, although, didn't exist, was a pretty desirable car.

Yeah, because of manual swapped R-A-G-T. Yeah, man. But from the factory, I don't see... If you... If there is any bone in your body that thinks that the R-8 will someday increase in value, it's this car that will be leading it. This is the Diablo S.C.30, the down-draft Kuntash, the paint-to-sample-Cquare GT of the R-8 world.

Like, it is this car specifically. If the R-8 is ever going to go up, this car will be at the very top of every list of, like, cars to own. One-on-one car. I don't know how wild. Okay, we got to move on to the next question from EJ20 head gasket. Actually, no, I'll do that one next, but from Michael EJ2. This is a question a bunch of people are asking.

Hi, Doug, you mentioned in your Doug Awards video that GM gave you several options for concept cars to review. What were the other options and why did you pick the voyage? Okay, I chose the voyage. When I reviewed the voyage, GM voyage concept car, Cadillac Voyage, they had sent me a list of heritage cars that were running that I could review. I specifically wanted to review a newer concept car because I think concept stuff from the 60s isn't quite as interesting. First off, a lot of it had to function, and they weren't even thinking in the way that weird stuff,

in the 80s, they come with all this bizarre crap that would be funny today, and I think the 60s stuff is less funny. I wanted something modern. They only offered me three modern cars. And the other one was, one was a Cadillac that just wasn't that unusual. And the only other one was a Buick called the Buick A-V-I-S-T-A.

Do I regret not doing it? Maybe. Wow, that looks really nice. Maybe the next time I go to Detroit, maybe I do the Avista. That's a odd amount of, like, Tesla Model S like in this part. Yeah, but it's from 2008. Yes. Wow, this is Merrill Chaffee 400 horsepower.

Yeah. Wow, this is a cool car. This is a shit. Oh, 2016. I'm completely wrong. Romero chassis is older, but the car itself is a twin turbo v6. From the rear three quarters, it looked just like a hundred genesis. Anyway, it didn't happen.

I chose the Cadillac instead. I think you made the right choice. Now, a lot of people, well, I do think from a thumbnail perspective, the Cadillac pops more. With the covered wheel arches, it looks like some weird future thing. This looks more like a rational car. Beautiful car. And you know what? It would have saved Buick.

Well, the question of most people were asking, though, was why didn't I review the CN? And I'm going to answer this delicately because I was shared some information about the CN that I'm not sure that it was intended to be public facing, but I'll say it delicately. The CN isn't running. Can I ask for the less delicate version of that? No, I don't want to talk about it because I don't want to get anybody in trouble at GM, but currently the CN is not running. And it's not probably not going to be running for a while.

And so I offered to buy it and I was dead serious in my offer and I still am. And I told them that when I went there. I reiterated my offer and they chuckled. And I was like, no, no, you don't understand. I'll buy it. But they claim they're not interested, which is wild to me, because it's not even running. It's a 20-year-old non-running Cadillac. If this was a DeVille, it'd be $600 on Craigslist.

It's quite a category. Free if you pick it up. Anyway. So the CN wasn't offered. And to be honest, I was actually a little surprised that Heritage Collection. A lot of the 60s-70 stuff is running because back in that era, concept cars weren't as much of a thought exercise. They would do weird bodywork and stuff, but mostly it was a power train and a car that had to run. Later, concept cars became a lot less runny.

And so I was surprised they even had the ones they offered me, but the CN was not one of them, and there were very few modern ones, I think, that are really in good order, sadly. So that was the answer to that. Next question from... Next question from Arsh 18. Oh, my God, do you want to hear the take that people hate from me the most?

Oh, I might agree with you based on the question. Do you think the CVT is overhated? It's not the enthusiast choice, but they keep you in the power band, smooth acceleration, great efficiency. Yeah, I think the CVT is like one of the most underrated automobiles in the world. Fully agreed.

People hate all they sound, but you're always in the power band. Yep. You're living in the power band. You're at the most efficient spot. Now, some CVTs are bad. But in a good... Some CVTs are unreliable.

Some CVTs aren't that great at staying in the power band. They just sit there. If they're not great at that, that's their whole purpose. Some manufacturers aren't that good at engineering. That's what it is. I would be curious to drive. If a real sports car manufacturer made one as like a concept. It would make it better.

It would be very interesting. It would probably be similar to an electric car. Yeah, my guess. No gears and power band is kind of always achievable and you can always just stick there. As my guess. You know where I think CVTs have failed. They've failed because they've tried to replicate the automatic experience. They should have leaned in.

Well, they did that because people hated and so much. The problem, really, in my mind comes from Nissan, who, who, who made them the NVH was so bad, that that really killed it in everybody's minds. But there's so, that is the pinnacle efficiency and we should support that. It is. And it's the pinnacle performance.

Yep. It's a right balance of performance. It keeps you in power, man. I like to build my own. Well, of course. Yeah, yeah. Compared to a manual, it's not for an enthusiast, but if you're, if you're thinking about automatic transmissions,

dual clutch is great, but you're still going through gears. You still have to go down to the bottom of the rev range at some point and come back up. In a CVT, it's more fun. But in a CVT you just sit there. You sit there. I know, but an electric car is more efficient in delivering power to you. Of course, of course. Yes, it is more efficient, but sometimes it's more about the experience than the efficiency.

Yeah. But I guess my point is just like... I understand it, but... No, I understand you. From an efficiency and a performance perspective, it's actually pretty good. So you think about cars that are efficient performance cars, they should have CVTs, like the Honda Prelude. Agreed. Okay, last question.

Last question. Last question. for Felipeo. Yep. From Stealth Model 3, depreciated Tycon versus depreciated Model S Plaid versus depreciated Lucid.

Buy all three for less than the price of one new. Got to go Tycon though, right? I do the Lucid. Really? I love Lucid Air. It's not going to work. There are some reliability concerns that people express.

But the Porsche had a great year. Fun fact. Well, they're selling the minivans now. The gravity. Which is also Uber's like Waymo competitor is based on a loose of gravity, which is 5,000 sales right there. Did they punch them all?

They punched them all 1231. You got to assume. Wait, I would do a Tycoon or a Lucid. I wouldn't do a Model. You would do a Lucid? I think it's the most range by far. It's the most spacious of the city. It is the nicest.

It is just the nice. But the Tycon is built better and drives better. You know, it depends on my purpose. And it's more fun. Yeah. You know, I'd rather have all of them. Uh, Audi, RSGTE, E, Dr. Yes.

Really? Then a Tycon? Yeah, I think it's so. pretty. It's pretty, but the Porsche drives better. It's the same. You're a looks man. I'm a drive man. That's the difference between the two of us. There's not much I can do about that. How different can it be? That's what it is. They're different. The Audi's softer. It's like the difference between a

prelude and an F1 car. Wow. But this would serve daily. I have fun cars to drive. This would be a daily... Well, if you want a daily, you end up buying any of these. You buy it in a phila. Right. Oh, how could I be so stupid? Because, remember, it's... Autonomous sound visual. Right.

The three great elements of any driving experience. Autonomous sound visual. Obviously. Okay, should we do one more? Last one. One more. Dude, Doug, you make a... From EJ20 Head Gasket.

Drew, Doug, you make a point about not traveling to review cars, but GM lured you out with the prospect of two hot production cars and, of course, the concept. This begs the question, which other concept or one-off cars would get you to travel on your own dime to review? I want to be clear about this GM thing. I was going there already. Okay.

What are you trying to protect your reputation? I don't say yes to things. Who is going to write it now? I was going to D.C. And I figured I might as well just stop in Detroit. And it was so worth it. And I filmed three videos in one day, which I never do. What's the third?

Zero one. Oh, yeah. And all three killed. Honestly, if you watch all three of those, you can't tell that I've filmed three videos in one day. Only from the sun, the position of the sun, which sets early in. Detroit this time of year. What do you think I'd go shoot? What would you go shoot?

You would definitely, the byliss is long. You would definitely go shoot the pit infarina. But I didn't. I was literally in Lake Como and they were in wherever they are turning. What were you thinking? I was with my family. What were you thinking? They brought it out of the thing too.

They told me I wiped it down. Wait, the Atal Design Columbus is it? That's what I met yet. The Atal Design Columbus, they said that I came on and do it. And I was like to do that. Doug? With my family. I would literally, there is no car on the planet.

You could call me up and say there's a McLarenf 1. You could spend the whole day with it. Two minutes from where you are. And I would be like, I'm good. You can choose. You can fit most of your family is. That's okay. I just, if I'm on it, family trip.

I get it. It doesn't matter if the family trip is to Mesa, is to the Mickey's hot dogs at Mesa, Arizona. Family trip, car anything. You could have said. They don't overlap. There's one over another. You could have fit the entire family and some other families in the Columbus, though. What's your?

What's yours? Oh, there's so many. Give me yours. Mine? What's the number one car you travel for, McClain F1? Of course. Really, that's it? Probably.

I mean, 250 GTO is on that list, too. After watching Harry's video, it's like, my God, what an experience. 330P4. Like, there are some pretty serious cars. Like, I would absolutely, but I'll travel for a lot of cars. I just did for a McClellan. So, like, I'll travel for a lot. But those are your top ones.

Yeah. I got nothing top of mine. Hit one. I got so many. I can't name them. That's right. There's so many cars in my list. I don't even.

want to get into it. I got a girlfriend. She's in the next town over. Goes to different school. What a... Come on. Give us something. I got nothing. Give us something. I don't know. You would go to the next town over to drive a Fiat Panda 4x4.

I would go three towns over for that. There it is. Perfect. If you have a Fiat Panda 4 by 4 and you live in La Mesa, give us a call. Piajo Ape. I'll go even further. See, look. Yeah, he's got cars. If you have a Piajeu Ape and you live in Escondito, a

Fia Uno Turbo. All right, we're done. That's the end of the pod. It was our finest ever. We're back. We're back in your living rooms and in your hearts and minds. We're back. You're back on cars.

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