THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Convertibles are Dead, Porsche 911 Turbo Market, Who is the Best Driver? THIS CAR POD! EP07

Episode Date: May 3, 2024

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Hello, everyone, and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippo. And today we have a special show. Specifically, we're not doing news. That's because I'm in Europe. You're watching this, and I look like I'm here, but I'm actually traveling with my family.

And so we pre-recorded this show, and so we can't talk about the news because we don't know what it is. You're excited to drive around in a Ford Galaxy? They don't make that anymore. They don't make that anymore. Have it for 20 years. But, yeah, I am generally excited. So I'm not here, but we are still podcasting.

We have a whole show, and it's great, and it's better than the one we just recorded. But it doesn't have the news. So we're going to start with other non-newsy items. So we begin, instead of news, with discussing automotive happenings in our lives. I have the most important one. Possibly we've ever discussed on the show. The most newsy for sure. It is newsy, actually.

Yep. I drove the new Toyota Camry. That is not all that exciting. The exciting part is I was the first person to drive the new Toyota Camry. In the world. It had zero miles. In the world. They all have zero miles.

Okay. No test wheels. Toyota people had driven it before. Got it. But the man said to me that I am the first outside of the Toyota umbrella, plus probably some of their spouses and the guys at the press car companies who move them around and a few truck drivers who took them on and off trucks and the people at the factory who moved. Other than.

them. Yeah. I was the first. Do you think they tell that to everybody? How does it feel to be the 27th person to drive? Probably 850th. No, I don't think they tell it to everybody. I had this Toyota's a giant product launch going on in San Diego,

they just finished it, and I had a weird schedule for it so I could get content for all the cars. All the video journalists had like a weird schedule. And I just happened to be first in the camera. Now, because of the embargo, they all go up at the same time. No one will know that I'm first, so I wanted to brag in this. moment. This card, they will sell millions of these. You're going to

see them on the road for decades to come. I will not notice one of them. You will not be able to tell that it's the new one. Every time you see one, you will think Doug. Is that the new one or the old one? It's the first thought. And then you'll think about Doug. I think I was also the first person to drive the Crownsignia, but we will not see any

of those. So, no. Retirement communities will have plenty. I don't agree. The Toyota Camry has been conquered by me. bully for you You don't think this is interesting If you were the first person to drive some car

You'd be like oh that's cool So I drove the new Camry And what did I think of it? It was a Camry And I met the chief engineer who was very nice And he talked to me about it But I think ultimately the Camry is just You know like it's a great

It's a tremendously good car That's going to carry an enormous amount of people around But from a from a excitement standpoint Or it's kind of supposed to be mundane and normal And just good at being a car And it will be great And it was great at that No issues.

And it's hybrid only. Which is the first time. Camry's hybrid only. The Sienna is hybrid only. That's right. Everything's changing now. The ground is shifting beneath our feet. It is going from a four cylinder without a hybrid to a four cylinder with a hybrid.

But Toyota's been pretty vocal about they don't want to go to full, they don't necessarily believe it seems in going to full electric. They believe hybrid is. And the BZ 4X shows that. Proves that. You know, it turns out that's a compliance car. I didn't realize this. Okay. Do they need to have an EV?

They have to have an EV to sell cars in California. California, state of California requires that all automakers have to have an EV in order to sell here, which is why the Fiat 500E came out and various other EVs. The MX30, but now they have the CX90, so they got rid of the MX 30. So, plug-in hybrid is apparently okay. But then you got it had a Prius. Yeah, they had a plug-in Prius. That's a good point. They don't need more.

So, if they do. Eh, there was a period where it didn't exist. Anyway, the point is... Not factually accurate. Subaru also needed one. And so they thought to themselves, hey, look, let's make a trash car that is awful. Nobody will buy them, and we don't have to deal with that ever again. Yeah.

So they teamed up to make the lowercase B, uppercase Z, number four, uppercase X, which is the worst car on sale. And I made a video where I said it was the worst car in sale. And then people said, hey, it's a compliance car, which to me doesn't excuse it, by the way. Just because they should still try to make it good. Right. Acidmargin, Cigna, compliance car, good. No. No.

Cool. That was probably the worst compliance car ever. But other than that, it's a good point that you make. But it was also the most Compliancy car ever So it also was the best in a way It was exemplary of what it was supposed to It was almost malicious in its compliance

So anyway That's the situation with the Camry That's I agree It's not particularly exciting But I will remember every time I get in an Uber new Camry That I was the first you'll have to look at the front end To tell Because getting into the car from the side

Will not be enough information I actually saw a few at the event the next day And it does look pretty different I'll say to the guy I'll say to the Uber driver I'd be like, hey, you know, I was the first guy to drive this car. I'd be like, I don't, this isn't something. Come on.

I'm running it for Enterprise just to drive as an ever. It's not a thing. I'm glad in your illustrious career, you're able to add that feather to your cap. You're the first one 27th. Is that where you're most proud of this in your career? Have you never been the first to drive? I probably have, actually. Just didn't tell you. But I was told

this time. And so it's meaningful to me. What else would you've been? You were like the first person to do a review of the Bronco. Often because, I have to have kind of a weird schedule at these press launches. I often am the first, actually. But they don't, often they don't tell me that. And sometimes other weird things have already occurred with the car.

But you did the Bronco and the Maverick, static before anybody else, right? I did him static. Yeah, the Bronco I did under an overpass, and the Maverick ended a man's house. I remember. So the man's driving. No, the man didn't drive it.

He had his house on one of those, this is often a tangent, but it's a great story. He had his house on one of those, there's like websites where you can submit your house for like filming. Like if movies want to use it, you can like put your house in and then they can. And so Ford found him and paid him like a grand for me to come to his house that day. They dropped it off from a truck, pulled it into his driveway. I filmed it in his driveway with his like dogs running around.

This is an official Ford shoot. And this dude's like Australian cattle dog is like bark him. Cute. Yeah. And that was the Maverick. Better than underpass, overpass, whichever. That was weird. Yeah.

but it was remote controlled and it wouldn't go up in the hills finite set of options you know remember when they debuted the Bronco and it had a hole in the door with like glass in and it was like damn we're going to get this cool glass doorhole thing that never happened no that never occurred okay so that's my thing which is better than any of yours go ahead all right so I've mentioned this to each of you because we are friends outside of the podcast generally except for when we're not in my life I've generally bought bad

poor examples of cars I look for the cheapest. Yeah. I'm not willing to spend money. Right. For my, like, family car, we spent some money, but even that was cheap. Right. And my fun cars, which had been a Miata that I bought for $3,000 and sold for $3,000, an

an U-Path with a stick that I bought for $4,000. This fee have 500 a bar that's in front of me is the most I've ever, second most I've ever spent on a car, period. And what was that? 11,000? $1,000. $250,000. $1,000.

$1.250. Correct. I remembers if it still misses it. fair I mean the money But anyway I am debating whether it's time For me to spend more money on a car

Yeah But I don't know what that like looks like Like what would I buy If I were willing to spend more money I know what you should get The answer for you By the way more money for me Is different than more money for you

I know it was vaguely Because you were discussing yesterday But I feel like An E450 altering is probably that For a fun car I don't My family car is not changing It's gonna remain

My E450 Lterrain It would be tremendously It's going to remain. Our other car will remain Mercedes-Benz E-350 wagon. You can keep up with an F-40. I mean, the F-40 is being driven gingerly, of course. I'll tell you this. I don't think that you should spend more.

I like having a cheap friend, Felipe. I like being able to say to people, I know this guy who goes to three different grocery stores to find apples at a cheaper price. Some grocers have better apples for a better price. I'm not going to reward that? What am I? You know what's going to happen? He goes to four grocery stores to get 12 cents off an apple. that's, I like that about you.

I don't, if you, if you broke from this tradition, what would happen to our lives? The reality, what I've kind of realized is, I, I would just like, equious, it's like, it's too nice, I can't, I had to sell it and get something cheap again. I just had to go back to what I know. That's my fear, because like, 11 grand, you can't lose money. I mean, maybe you'll lose a grand. I'll sell that 500, yeah, bar, even if I take zero care of it, as I do, for $9,500. Right, right, that there's like a cap on how much I can lose.

Yeah, you're, yeah. But if, let's say I bought a 9, 9, 96, 20 grand, $20,000. for like a mediocre one. Obviously what I would buy. Okay. A tip. No. Mano.

Mano. A tip cab is like 15. Damn, that's a deal. I can't. Like, I'm still not going to lose that much money because there's still a floor on these. Like, I could spend more and still be protected. Well, yeah. I mean, I feel that way about, listen.

You get a 4GT, man. Well, I would care a little bit more about that. I parked the car in the garage, which wouldn't actually fit a car much bigger than my 500 to Barth, but I did move from parking in the driveway to parking in the garage recently. Like, I could fit something else. Yeah. But, like, I just, like, have never considered spending

money on a car. It would anger me if you did this. So I shouldn't buy a C-7 Corvette. Okay, all right. He's been obsessed. What about a C-5 Corvette? Maybe you should. Let him scratch the edge. Maybe let him scratch the edge. Maybe let him just feel.

No, I have a better idea. Turro one for a week. Yeah. Just do that. That's so good. But then, at the end of that, if you still like, I still won't, which you definitely won't. But if you did, then you can't be a willing to spend the money. That's so true.

You don't spend. And if you're not willing to do that, you're not willing to. It's very different. Why would I spend $500 for a week or whatever it costs? No idea. When I can spend $40. And then 40. But like, even if I spend 40, how much am I going to lose?

I don't like it after six months. I won't lose that much more. Why am I losing six months? Going through more than $500. But barely. So you're not going to Montana. So you're going to pay sales tax on it. You're right.

I am not used to sales tax, primarily. because he's never paid like 600 bucks of statistics mostly ever paid on any car. Yeah, it's like not even it doesn't even factory. It actually doesn't because I buy such cheap car that doesn't matter.

Then you're also, it's at the time to register it and do the smog and like all this stuff but you're just not going to. Well, the California's the seller who says, well, yeah, but you're cheap. You could buy that car from Colorado. Always less.

Those in Colorado. You just, I think you should at least for a couple of days. For those who are, Philippo is an odd contradiction. All he ever talking, about his little European hatchbacks. He really plays into his Italian heritage. And he's like, oh, you know, what I really want is a Fiat Panda that's just, and I walk everywhere and I bike everywhere.

And now he's over here, I want a C-7. Well, he got that, he got that veterans plate and he's just like, you know. I want to, give me a C-7. Okay, here's, here's my point. First of all, they eight, horvettes are cool. C-5 is also somewhere in my mind. And those are 10 great. I agree that corvettes are cool. And also, also, like, I have. My Miata was too shitty. It didn't satisfy

was too bad. It didn't satisfy my rear wheel drive desire. I drive a front wheel drive car. The next one I feel like should be a more powerful rear wheel drive car. Learned about you.

Yeah. You've had a lot of these cars. You've not liked any of them. I like the Viat. That's the first one. Okay. Finally you get a little Italian hatchback and that's what you like.

So maybe a C-7 isn't the answer. But how would I know until I own it for a year? Well, you had an NB. You didn't like it. You had a stick X-5. To be fair. My NB was not a good NB.

Well, it was three grand for a reason. It was because you pulled a Felipeo and bought it on Craigslist with a back window that was giving up. A deep rural Maryland. It was quite something. I mean, this is the thing.

For a guy selling it for his friend's ex-wife who had died. That's quite a situation. Philippo. Let's say I want to spend money, though. What would I buy? What should I consider? You want a performance car? I don't want an E-450 alteration.

to go alongside my E350 wagon. That's a great combination for you. I don't need a second one that does the exact same thing. I'm not using that. Sell both of the cars. Keep the Fiat. Get rid of the other, upgrade the Mercedes. Upgrade the daily driver. That's more expensive.

That'll depreciate too much. I would love it if you got a Corvette. I think that'd be cool as hell. If we'd do someone with this. See, you're not to say that. He'll have it for like two seconds. I think a C-7 is cool, and it would be a great baseline for a lot of the videos we do on the channel. Unfortunately, it's too expensive.

It's too expensive. 40 grand. What? Yeah. Oh, nobody buys that. You buy that? You can get to high 30s. Pull up C7. With a stick, please. I'm not buying an auto. Here's a seven seat stick, bid to 33. Yeah, but sold for more than that. Manual, let's see.

29, 450. All right, that was a 30. Okay, okay, okay. And that one had, that was Z-51 and 2LT. I would have about that. I should have about that. How many miles that have? Must have been a lot. Why did it? Why would it have been so low? 90,000 miles. You would buy that. Make you imagine with those chrome wheels.

I will pitch in for your new balances. Oh, I need you. Shoes, that would be great. Still looks cool. It looks so good. But it's just so... I mean, I understand I said that I want to buy for... What's the Chorus of C7 with a stick?

I got a... It was that one. All right, cool. Yeah, cheaply C7 with a stick. But, I mean, 33, 37. I mean... They've all been recent. They're coming down.

They do hold their value enough. Yeah. But do I want that? I don't know. No. No. There is nobody I know less fit into that car. Do I want a 9-9-6?

Let me get again. You don't want to spend money on cars. You don't want to spend money. That's so true. What you want to do is look at your bank account. And I think that makes you as happy as cars make a lot. I think I think I got to fit in better. I think the best one for you would be a nice 9-86 box.

I want four-sies, which the Corvite doesn't have. I want force. Right. So thank you for that. But Corvite Coops have a hatchback and that counteract. counts as a seat in your word. Okay, we're moving on from this ridiculous So that got me nowhere. Well, again, I will

say Turo is your friend, go rent something. I agree with him. You should throw something for a couple hundred bucks, and then he figured it out. And then you avoid making a mistake that's going to be costly, because I agree, there's a ton of transaction costs. You're going to find it somewhere else. You're going to have to fly to go and get it. I will not come with you under any circumstances. You're going to have to pay title and registration and sales tax and all that stuff. Can I get just

one more minute of suggestions of what I should consider? If I'm willing to spend 20 to 30. That's like 9-9-9-6. I mean, the fact that you've got Category. I don't want a 9-8-6 box. You know what you should get? I'm trying to get outside of this world. Well, that's $1,000 more than this town.

You know what you should get $20 to $30? Fiat multipla and import it. Or an A2 with Rami. I'll help you. I will help you. I can't title in California. I will title it to me. I would buy a Fiat Woldepla.

All go. I'll throw some cash towards this. I will legit throw some cash towards this. I don't want an, I don't want an A2 as a child. My father re-rented an, rear-rending. A2. There's still trauma here. I gave him the answer to this. That's not a sports car, but I gave him a good method of figuring it out.

Kevin, Kenan, wow. Wow. Oh, Kenan. You want to roll that one back there? That is the most offensive thing you could call me, I think. I'm sorry, Kevin. Your friend here is. Kenon, tell us something.

Tell us something. So, as you and I know, as BMW historians and lovers of the brand, at one point in time, they made a car with a V-16. It's called the Goldfish. The V16 was called the goldfincher? The car was an E327 series that BMW wanted to develop a 16 cylinder engine because they had done so with the 7-fif, they wanted. Right. They had done an inline sex, a V8, a V12.

They were like, we need 16. The next logical conclusion was 16. So they wanted to. A little bit of history years. You can't have two seven cell. For reasons you won't understand. You can't. Wait, explain to me.

Okay. The primary and secondary and balance is. and a seven-cylinder engine. It would be so unbalanced and bad. Like we do with like, there are no 14-cylinder engines for a reason. But there are three cylinder engines. Okay.

And those are a balance. We figure that out. Yeah, but that's not seven. I'm picturing. Three, six, that, three, six, twelve, those work. Seven, no, nine, no. There's five. Yeah, and they're, it's not balanced at all.

The amount of work it takes to balance that. Eight and a six, it's perfectly balanced. Just to be clear, by the way, the history of this V-16 is kind of an interesting thing. Yes. The, the, well, the history, the history of the history of the reason they wanted a v16 since you're making a thing out of it. In 89, BMW came out with the 750 IL with a V12. Yeah, I remember it.

It was a huge deal because Mercedes-Benz was not planning to make a V-12 S-class. Right. And when BMW came out with a V-12-7 series, Mercedes-Benz went back to the drawing board, and they were like, holy crap, I'm explaining to him. He's not paying attention to it. I'm paying attention to them. Look at the car that's up there. It's insane.

It's insane. So BMW started the V-12 full-size sedan thing. The S-class, they weren't. They only ever had done B-AIDS before that. Then they did a V-12, and then BMW was like, hmm. One more. Hit him, hit him again. And here we are.

Now, I have a little bit of background on this car because I really think it's important. So the engine was designed by Adolf Fish. He designed the V-12 as well that was found in the 7-series. Goldfish. That was called the Gold Fish. That is one of the reason. I was assumed because it was penis. It's because it has gills.

And it's gold. That's why I was-is-S-C-H for his last name, Fish. But anyway, what's cool is I actually met his daughter who got picked up from school in this car. I didn't assume it could carry passengers. The motors in the back, right? No, so the engine's in the front, but because they couldn't fit the cooling in the engine compartment, because the engine's so big, they put all the cooling in the back. That's why you can see the radar.

That's why it is. So all the cooling is back here, and then they have to, like, pipe that up front. How did they ever, I mean, this, no wonder they didn't go into production. Well, they didn't go into production for that exactly. But, but the, so the reason I bring the, let me finish so the engine was developed like kind of in secret it was actually assembled in their basement and the fish basement that's where they like tested it like he was assigned to build yeah wow and like and the daughter told me some crazy stories and she also she drives an e31 850 i works to be able to be classic lives and music drives it

every day oh very cool but anyway stick yes stick which this was also by the way no way yeah the goldfish is you can roll your own in a 16 i mean goldfish is i'm sure that they didn't have an automatic that could handle it that's probably true but yeah Yeah, the goldfish, boom, there you go. There it is. Wow. What is that steering? Not good.

I've driven an 832. It didn't everything close to that. That's the E32 steering. Yeah, that's the normal E32 steering. But that's the one that, by the way, to cut here, I'm sorry. But that's what he was referring to. I think the other, the E38. You don't even know.

No, no, no. I was thinking it's close. No, so here. Okay, so you'll get to this. Yes, this is why I'm going next. So we know about the goldfish. Yeah. BMW recently, like within the last week from this film, said, no, there was another one.

We realized that, you know, not having a trunk kind of a problem. So they tried to make, they tried to continue to develop a 16-7-on-the-car. I think this was it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You can click on that. I'll type it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And so they continued. Wow. with the 32 and with these bizarre headlights but yeah what

oh because they had to be elongated they longed the front is there a side shot go down but I mean this is incredibly recent BMW just brought this

like just mentioned this it's why they hit it that was a regular one that was a regular one keep going keep going I don't know if there is a side profile picture of or not

I've seen them keep going keep gone that's the goldfish Okay. There we go. There it is. Wow. Look how long.

So wait, this isn't an E38? No, this isn't an E38. It isn't right. This isn't it. They said it was completed in 1990. Yeah. So no, it was definitely not an E38. It looks like one, though.

It was between. It was, yes. So I guess E38 kind of came out of this. It must have. I mean, they looked like they got some inspiration for the E38 for this. But it's the rear end and the front end. But yeah, but there's a little. It was developed at the same time as the E30 was coming out.

So they used some. This is a heinous car. It's not good. looking. It actually has a little bit of of LaGonda in there too. Yeah, it was. But the fact that, I mean, it also is mind-blowing to me that this car was hidden and no one knew about it.

Yeah, what's that about it? What else is hiding down there in their storage facility? In Germany, yeah. But really, I wonder about that too. So they, so again, so they were clearly anticipating doing it, but for whatever reason, I'm guessing that it was too expensive. I mean, whatever reason, there are so many

reasons. But also think about the seven series, like the 750, the V-12, at the time, a very expensive car. You're already selling a very expensive car to your top client list. To say there's another one on top of that, your market's going to be pretty finite, so the tooling to make this. It was an insane concept, but I think the thinking was, BMW

was so hell-bent on taking the full-sized sedan realm from Mercedes-Benz at the time because it was Mercedes-like thing, and BMW was coming for Mercedes. And I think the thinking was, we got to go one-up. Everything they do, we've got to do one better, one better. And eventually, I think they just kind of gave up. I think they realized, like, we're

always going to be known for the three series and the five series, then eventually the SUVs, and Mercedes is always going to own the S-class. And that's just how it is. Yeah, and that's fair. It's fair to recognize one. So they called it Goldfish, S-C-H after the fella. Yes. After the fella.

Why gold? But also, I will say, BMW did continue, no, it was called that. It looked like a fish because it had the gills. But the BMW did, of course, continued development of the 16. The man's name, I mean, it worked. Goldfish, his name was fish. I mean, that's like. It had gills, and it was kind of.

gold. BMW did continue development of the 16th cylinder engine. That was what they were going to put in the original Phantom when they bought Rolls-Royce. They were going to, and they did with a couple of those. And Rowan Atkinson famously has a Phantom Coop with a 16-cylinder engine in it. Really? But for whatever reason, again, they decided it was too expensive, and so they scaled back to the whole of 12-celanders to this day. But nonetheless, this was a 16-cylinder BMW that nobody knew about until recently.

Can we buy this? One wonders. What does they watch for it? They never sell cars like this, but I won't. want to buy a one-off so bad from an automaker and no one has ever pursued that no one has ever allowed me to even a towel design would not sell you even a tell me the clomis the ugliest car all time which by the way was powered by a bmw 12 cylinder engine wasn't it was it was it yeah it was the mclair and f1 engine it was in the mclaren f1 and the atel design two level minivan i forgot

about that right that i don't have enough energy to argue about that but yeah there it is okay uh That is bizarre and crazy. Okay, so since we've discussed vehicles, let's now discuss vehicles more with a market report. All right. All right. What you got? Let's talk about the Cadillac Eldorado convertible.

Yeah, the Caledalac El Dorado convertible right-hand drive market is strong. Can you click on that car? I should also note it is a very small market. It's a small market. Small supply, yeah. So we sold this car recently for $27,500. What is this car? Cadillorado

that was converted to a convertible because for some reason Cadillac didn't make Eldorado convertibles and then it was converted to right point why? It's insane.

Because the Alonthe was such a huge success. Yeah, that's probably why. They saw the Alante they were like, they didn't realize that the Alante was the problem.

And then it was converted to a right-hand drive and I actually don't know that that was the order. It may have been right-hand drive first and then convertible, but regardless, this happened.

And so this is kind of the least factory way to own. Although they did a I love that they turned the gear shifter so that it would fit your left hand better. To make it even more ridiculous, this car only has 900 miles on it. So someone did an enormous amount of work to customize the car to exactly what they wanted and then never drove it ever. The dead bugs are tough.

There's dead bugs. The bugs got to experience it at least. They did that conversion well. So in the comments, in the comments, people were like, yeah, there were companies that were doing red hand drive El Dorado conversions. It was pretty common. I'm like, what? What?

Apparently, some markets... This for the Philippines, right? This one was reportedly shipped to Malaysia, but the seller thing never left. But some markets apparently wanted El Doradoes because it was this big American luxury coupe. It was kind of a cool car at the time. And you couldn't get them in a lot of these places because they didn't sell it in right-hand drive. And so some of them were converted. And this one had both of the conversions done.

I've always felt the El Dorado convertible conversions look quite nice. Yeah. This is a front-wheel drive car, believe it or not. this little curve in the upper windshield here is a little odd but otherwise not bad it works out well you know when a car wasn't ever conceptualized as a convertible oh i understand the the convertible converter has to take some liberties and boy do they are any front wheel drive catalogs desirable no because they all had all the all the big ones had the north star so this car at 900 miles the north star probably has another 500 miles left in it I think just generally, are there any that are good? Yes. Yes. That are desirable.

Yes. Like what? Like this one. I'm going to hit you with one. Okay. Sob 94X. Hard to argue with that. Got it.

That was a Cadillac. Do you know what the Cadillac was called? Kenan? No. What was it? It was the SRX? Wait, but it wasn't, it was the XT5, wasn't it? No, it was the SRX at the time.

Oh, and then they did. just flipped the name and made it hanner. There's a new generation that would say, but yeah. Anyway, the point is I wanted to mention this because the market for these is strong. If you have a right-hand drive converted, convertible converted, Cadillac Eldoron, with 900 miles. Cars and Bids is the place we will get you all the money for it. Now, if you don't, it's worth $6,500.

But we still... Wait, that's not the only convertible we've hooked. Oh, wow. Not only is it worth $6,500, but this is the collector's... This is the final model year, very best one in existence, and they go for $6,400. And you're thinking to yourself, well, maybe that's $6,000. Well, maybe it's a high mileage car. Does a low mileage one do better?

No. Because here's one at 49,000 miles. They got to $7,100. So the collector series, that was an aspirational name. And it did not turn out to be true. I can't believe we also did another convertible. And by the way, why are they numbered, but the numbering is out of 1596?

Because that's how many badges the supplier gave them. I mean, there's no reason why this trap. Yep. That is your Cadillac Eldorado story of the day. Can we talk about a different type of convertible? Yeah. All right. In 2023.

The three best selling convertibles. Yeah. Guess what they were? I already know because I've done the dog. Guess what they were. And this is a great point. Go ahead. Yeah, I would have thought Mustang would have been up there.

Yeah, Mustang. Nope. That's really not? Really not. Okay. Really? That is surprising. You have one more guess before I'm telling you.

Guess quickly. Number one I know has always been this car. Yeah. I don't know. All right. Rangler. Bronco. Gladiator.

Gladiator outsold the Mustang. Yeah, that's hard to really. How? It's possible that the four like breaks it out differently. But. Losport is counting like, well,

maybe because Mustang has a weird year. It was that finally. But like, it seems like, those are the three best selling converals. All SUVs are trucks. Yeah. That's a set.

Everybody's giving me crap for owning all these SUV convertibles. That is what's hot. I'm a trend setter. Of course, you could have bought. Instead of a defender, you could have bought a Wrangler. Instead of a G-Cad,

you could have bought a wrangler. Which is not to. which we'll talk about. I'm at it. But are regular convertibles just undesirable, dead? Does anybody care? When I was a kid, the Chrysler Sebring was unbelievably popular. There was everywhere.

Truly. I can't picture a non-convertible Chrysler Sebring of that generation. Yeah, they were around. I can. Nobody bought. Nobody bought the Dodge Avenger coop. They bought the Seabring convertible. And then the 200, because meaning the 200, they still offer a convertible.

it died. But it's hard to believe because the Liberian was, even before the Sebring, the LeBaron was around and it was just as popular. But all that's gone. Bia Cascada.

Cascada. The only convertible car that sells in big numbers is the Mustang. Yeah. And then some luxury... I mean, it's still... Convertibles are still

in the luxury world. Well, a lot of really high-end cars are converters. Yeah. Sure. But like in regular cars you could buy. Apparently nobody's buying them.

Yeah. It's hard to really... It's also been an interesting trend. Like, for a while we had the, like, the regular roof convertibles, like the non-soft-top ones, hard-top convertibles,

became popular. Then all the mechanisms broke and became incredibly expensive to repair. And now we're back to soft-to. Do people just want something different? You know what I've heard? I've had auto-wakers tell me that the soft-top convert, the transition back to soft-top convertibles

is because it looks cooler. Yeah. It looks like a convertible. That's fair. And because with modern technology advances, they've been able to eliminate the wind noise in a soft-top. as much as they had previously in a hard top.

Like, Bentley never ditched the soft top because, like, a soft top convertible is just, like, the way it's supposed to be. And that's kind of true. Well, they lined it with cashmere. They lined it with cashmere. They were all good. They figured it out. Turns out if you just put a bazillion layers or you don't care about weight, no problem.

Get rid of that noise. I could have a Silver Lake Cuttinental GT. Oh, Silver Lake Magnolia, the color combo. Many no longer offers a convertible, do they? Is there still a Mini Cooper convertible? I don't know minis lineup anymore. It's too hard to keep it all together. We live in Southern California.

Like the land that should have convertibles. And I just don't see new converibles. I'm just like trying to think of like what yeah. I mean, Z4 is not a It is interesting. I mean I do think that yeah the people who have done it are still buying convertibles I switch to SUVs. It does give you an amazing ability to like be off road and that's why I like them. People make fun of me. Because I've had two of them in the last.

But I love them because you can do anything with them. Right. You can go off road. The G cab goes everywhere. And you can have a convertible. Right. You put the roof down and, They have not many convertibles with triple lockers. Hell yeah. The Sebring wasn't a sporty car.

You don't buy the convertible versions of the sporty. No, but people thought that because it was a convertible, it was there for it. There's a dude in the next block for me who has a late Sebring convertible. Wow. He washes it every weekend in his driveway. Man. Like he thinks he has a dream. Yeah, I remember.

What a dream. Yeah. Wow, that is so fascinating. The Rebest song is all trucks. Yeah. The convertible has switched to the truck. Goodbye to the regular convertible. Goodbye to the Chrys or Super Bowl.

are still on sale. That's a great question. New 4 series, Z4M4, 8 series, which nobody buys. Mustang, which we said. Corvette, of course, is still offered as a convertible.

Even the Cooper. Right, the Cuba's more of a convertible than the convertible. Camaro is gone. LC nobody buys. A5, nobody buys. Mini Cooper is still available. Oh, is there really?

F-type, which nobody buys. Miata is still pretty well. Although Miata had the worst sales here in 2023. Boxter and 9-11. Yeah, but they just refreshed it. Didn't help. It's got headlights. Boxer, and that's it.

Didn't have headlights before. That one's got headlights. That's a pretty big upgrade. That's why I wasn't selling. Like Volvo had the C-70 for a bit. Saab had 9-3 convertibles. Like every, I know I'm only naming a few luxury-esque automakers, but the S-2000 existed.

Camry-Solaro convertible. Yeah, the Solara convertible and the Sebring were like head-to-head, and now the segment is gone. The seventh is fully gone. When I was a kid also, it wasn't uncommon for automakers to make convertible versions of just normal vehicles. Like the Chevy Cavalier had a convertible for a while. Not a good one.

No, but that was like a thing. that you would do. Right. And nobody for some reason. People also had land out tops. They wanted it to look like a convertible with the top of it. Heck yeah. Right.

Which is my catalog. I should have made an Eldorado convertible. Yeah, a lot of those El Doradoes had Landowners. Yeah. And they definitely should have made a convert a lot of it. Fascinating observation. On the subject of Jeeps, I have a market report observation. Okay.

Can you go and type in Wrangler to the thing? And maybe click the suggested result. Something I'm fascinated by is that the Jeep Wrangler, old, nice Jeep Wranglers, don't really bring all that much money. I know they made a lot of them, but the one that really hit me, keep going down, the one that really hit me was this.

This one. Yeah. This one. No, one below it. This one. Yeah. This car is Lifetime California. It's got 12,000 miles and four-wheel drive.

It looks great. It looks fantastic. We should have bought this. Why didn't I buy this? I should have bought this. And people will be like, well, they make 300,000 jeeps a year. Yeah, but they all end up rusty, modified,

destroyed. This had the bad engine, comparatively bad engine. It's a four cylinder. I didn't realize that. It's a good point. I guess also, but by the same token,

you know, sports utility, what is your use case for one with no miles? The whole point is to drive the thing and also not care about it. You can't do either of those things with this one. That hasn't stopped somebody

from buying a 12,000 mile 06 corolla for way too much money. Yeah, I mean, we sold the neon with 11 miles for more than this. Go back. These are weirdly desirable. That one you clicked on also

is kind of a surprise thing. Go older. $9,600. This is because cars still in pretty nice shape. Go older. That one was a new jersey, which might mean some rest. Maybe, maybe, 140,000 miles. But wait, go older.

Because it's also true of much older ones. Yeah, it goes sort by year. Or just filter to before 2000. Yeah, go back to filter to before 2000. I agree with that. I'm, like, astonished by this. Every time I see this, I'm like, these cars are rare. And then they look at this.

Right. They don't bring any money. Wow, they don't bring any money. any month. But they're in nice shape and they're very usable too. You can do anything with an old wrangler.

I mean, and it's no less comfortable than a newer wrangler. I actually enjoyed it. The new one is great. I drove one of these, one of these renegade wranglers with the four-liter straight six.

I actually drove the very first one we ever sold. And I loved it. It's just such a honest, simple, basic car. Yeah. Dude, get a wrangler.

Get a six-cylender wrangler with a stick. A T.J. Wrangler with a stick. Yeah, that one. Yeah. I drove this car. Back in the day.

I loved it. I love those wheels, personally. I think they look really cool. Yeah, cheap did those wheels on a few other cars. They did build a ton, which is why prices haven't gotten up. It's hard to find nice ones. It is hard to find nice ones. And nice ones don't bring the money.

You didn't buy that? I know. This one is purple. I know. Purple. It looks like it's in SoCal. It does. It looks like it's in Orange County.

It looks like it should be. You should call the person. No, I'm not going to call it. It's not. Newport Beach. But it is. Four still in there again. What are you going fast?

You told me I should get the sex. You never gone fast in your life. You should get the sixth. The four-liter is one of the God's great engines. The four-liter, yeah. It really is. So they built a ton, but it is surprising than great older ones are undesirable.

It astonishes me. You see these old Land Rover's going for crazy money. You see old everything, scouts, broncos, all these cars. And Wranglers are not doing anything, even if they're, even if these cars are now 30 years old, they're getting to like classic status and nobody cares about. Right. Even if they're really not.

That 1997 says, 3,000 miles, 16,000. That seems like a lot. But at the same time, what does the 1997 Land Rover defender go for? Yeah, I mean, they made a lot fewer defenders, but old SUVs are in this giant renaissance unless it's a Jeep, in which case people don't seem to care at all. Probably because they built too many,

and also, let's be honest, they looked identical for about 20 years. Yeah, but a 4-liter is the great, is God's gift to power trains. God came to us, and he said, here, I'm going to give you two great power trains. Four-liter straight six and the Bentley W-12. I knew you used in the formula. And, of course, the formula one derived V-10 from the career jet team,

which was used in Formula 1. one car. It was not. During testing. It was never. Footwork used it. That isn't interesting. Nope, they did. So bad they couldn't. They tested with it during one winter offseason in Monza. Not even that.

They had it at Goodwood briefly for an afternoon. Nope, they went bankrupt first. They fired Porsche. That's how bad Portia was at the time. They did fire Porsche. Okay, Kenon, you got a market report for us? Yes. So another car that recently sold, that I was surprised about. We recently talked about 991 Carrera as being a good value.

Yeah. This turbo S. Yeah. Now, I understand PDK, and it's a 14, so it's an early car. Yeah. And it had miles. Fifty-five thousand miles on it and had an accident, but still $90,000. That's $99 turbo money.

For $560 horsepower. And the PDK plus all the drive combo, these do zero to six, like 2.8 seconds. Yep. And they'll do it all. All that long. Reliable cars. And you can tell this car is fairly reliable just by looking at it. There's no way.

Like, this is just a well-built car. Yeah. You look at a Ferrari with 55,000 miles, it doesn't look like this. No, it does not. Portions are designed. This is why I like sports cars from companies that make real cars because they design cars to actually be used and to last. This is a great example.

It's emblematic of what the 9-11 turbo is about. But a turbo S for sub-100. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of hard to argue with. Maybe they continue to depreciate, but like that's so much car. Yeah. Why wouldn't it? There's no compelling reason why.

sure. This is a car where the experience is presumably pretty similar to what a 992 one is. Yeah, but they floor. They floor for sure. They floor for sure, but they don't stay at insanely elevator prices. The newest version is going to be the best. You would never spend the money, but this is a car you could get and be totally... What do you think the floor is, 70s?

But in a long time. Because if you think 996 turbos, they'll by far agree to be the least desirable of all. That's a 60s car now. So there's no way this ever goes to... There's never going to be a 10K gap between. You wonder if the floor is starting to, is like 80. Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked. Which, man, so much, so much performance.

Even for 90. Even for 90. Yeah, I was just... I mean, this car will be almost any modern supercar. What are the mons on it? Miles were 55. It had an accident. It had an accident in its history.

It was a rear-end thing. Oh, yeah, Favisor actually, okay. It's exhaust and PTF. Yeah, it's like not, not much. I mean, that's a lot of car. You've got to get it out of Utah, though. Yep. It always hurts bidding when a car is in some absolutely obscure place.

not that Utah is, but the buyers of these cars are on the coast, and I think they're factoring and shipping. Nonetheless, this is a market correct result, and it shows the market is definitely coming down, which is very interesting, given the level of performance and reliability and usability. And brand status and all of the things. Okay. We will now move on to questions. Ooh, questions. Questions. Are they good?

To get questions to us, we like to answer viewer questions. To get them to go to cars and bids.com, go to the communities tab, and then you can ask, there will be a post there. where you can ask us a question. However, this episode, because we are pre-recording it, we just took questions off of some previous podcast question topics. And we've been asking great questions, so it's nice to go back. We've had great questions, so it's nice to go back and hit some of these. And we're going to do this for a few of these pre-recorded podcasts since I'm out of town.

So there won't be live question and answer for the next few of these podcasts, but we will return to it soon. But with that in mind, questions. Let's start. I will start with Zach N, who says, No hard feelings, but Doug cut me off on the five freeway a couple months ago. at 7.30 in the morning and his defender, knowing this, who on the pot is the best or worst driver?

Wait, I'm sorry, and you cut somebody... You pass somebody in a defender? So, this guy says this was a couple months ago. I looked, I sold the defender 16 months ago. So I don't think that this was me. And the yellow defense. The yellow one, that's what I met. I haven't driven that on the five in years.

And I've sold it. It's now in New York, where it will never drive on the five again. So I don't think that was me. However... It's an interesting question. Who is the best driver? Obviously me. I've never been in an accident.

You have hit a tree. The tree fell in the road. He did hit a school teacher. He did hit a school teacher. Not an actual person. I hit their rear bumper in a situation. The tree was in the road. It shouldn't have been there.

The road is for cars, not trees. You used to drive a safe speed such that if there is a tree in the road, you can stop. No, you're not expecting it. When you're driving, okay, and you come around a corner, you're not expecting tree. You're expecting road. Now, Filippa, this is, yeah. So we eliminate him just because he was. Oh, yeah, 100%.

No. I've never been in an accident. That was also a decade ago. That was a long time ago. Interesting. But I'm sure the school teacher doesn't forget. Yeah, but she took money for my insurance company. She sure didn't forget to fix her accord with 250,000 miles on. It should be noted.

Ken didn't run into a school teacher. No, it was an unusual situation. I came over a hill. Too fast. No, I was doing the speed limit. To go out of the hill traffic. It stopped. The speed limit is in perfect conditions.

Derby traffic, not perfect. Not perfect conditions. They were definitely not for every condition. Well, then he would argue you shouldn't have been going that fast in the first place. Well, it was very windy. It was a very weird circumstance. A lot more than you. You don't, dude, you haven't seen a C8 on the road.

You just admit it that. You don't go north of the eight. Yeah, somehow, despite not having a commute more than a mile, we drive 15 to 20,000 miles of the year. Oh, because you're on the freeway a lot. All right, all right. We drive places. You can have that. You can have that.

He does one drive from here to Arizona and back. The answer is, I am the best driver. Doug. But he's incredibly aggressive and getting cut off is not a surprise. He does keep, if you go on a drive with Doug, as our friends do, he doesn't think about anybody who's behind him. He doesn't think anybody who's around him. He will cut people off and like, in a normal automobile, Doug is a better driver than that. Not a better.

Pretty, pretty regular. Well, I'm never around you. You've been hitting school teachers and getting tickets. You know, it's interesting. I've never had a ticket. No, I've had two tickets my entire life. You have a ticket a day, it seems. They get tickets all the time.

You got a ticket recently here. That was two years ago. I've never had a ticket in California. I've never had a ticket period. And I've never been in an accident where I was at fault. Never received a ticket. So you're over here. It's not him.

So then it's between us. And the answer is me. Wait, wait, can I throw something out there? When you're driving in regular car, you're not driving. Toyota, great driver. Mercedes-Benz. Okay, a driver. Doug also texts and drives like crazy.

No, he would never. That's got to be ended out. We can't talk about that. Okay. Maybe you shouldn't do it then. You can't even allege it on the thing. It's just can't be discussed. We'll pull that.

Okay. Even though you almost got a ticket for it, but your status is a YouTuber got you off for it. That's not exactly. Justice, don't leave that part in either. Cut all that out. Okay. The answer is me. I am the best driver.

The first by flea. Filippa. But be prepared to be cut off by him. Have you had a ticket? No. Oh, God. You might be you then. Your insurer loves you.

Yep. My wife, less so. What? His wife. did hit somebody recently. Oh yeah, that's right. It wasn't me. Because they hit a pickup truck because of their America said. That story gets too confusing too quickly.

Okay. Next question from Cyrus S. What are the craziest or rarest cars you've seen in the wild in San Diego or nearby? Oh, I have the answer. I did you. 288 GTO. We were both there and we saw one drive. It happened to be somebody we do know.

But it was like unexpected and it wasn't out of cars and coffee. It was just he was just driving on the PCH. He had got breakfast with his wife. and went for a drive and I was like 288. That was... I was in the Crowley-T at the time, and somewhere there's a picture of the Currugetty and the next to each other,

which is wild. That was pretty cool. That was crazy. I saw 9-18 once driving around. F-40 in Orange County was one of them more insane, through traffic. I've seen more cool stuff in Orange County, but... But in San Diego... But yeah, I mean, we saw a F-40 randomly,

we saw Varon randomly. I was, one time I was driving in Newport Beach, and I went to get onto the PCH, and there was a conics that drove by, which is like... Wairah. We saw a... Saw era.

Yeah, just randomly. Yeah, I mean... I've seen a she-shee. A roan-run. I never said, thank you. W-16. What's the Aston Martin vanquished shooting break? You saw one of those?

There's a gotta. Oh, like cars of car that doesn't get. No, no. Kevin saw it parked just randomly in the Hawaii. Wow. I saw a Mercedes A-Class never sold in the U.S. Very few here. Very rare.

This is the thing. He doesn't drive. He's never been anywhere. He only drives, like, around the office and where he lives. It's here in San Diego that you can basically see just about any car. And one cool thing about being in San Diego is you get the cars up for Mexico, which are not sold here. And so we see weird stuff.

Oh, yeah. Smart Roadster. Oh, so that's a smart roadster here? Oh, yeah. The Suzuki Jimis is, it's funny because I'm on these Facebook groups, like foreign market car sightings, and I never post because it would be cheating, basically. And people are like, people in Texas are like, I saw Jimny. Oh, my God.

It's an embarrassment of riches. It's not a thing. El Paso is common to see also. But like in Houston, it's surprising. You don't have to go very far from the Mexican border to really not see that many Mexican cars. So San Diego, Tucson, El Paso, you see stuff. But other than that, even in L.A.,

it's actually quite uncommon. But in San Diego, we see them all the time. We do have a rule along our friend group that in order to say that you've seen a car, you must capture it with a picture or a video. Otherwise, it doesn't exist. So all of these cars we have pictures of, which is pretty great.

The 918 I saw, I didn't get a photo of. But I saw a 191 in you. randomly in Laguna Beach, a green one that I do have a photo. Also, I don't give us about the 19. Courage of tea. Good question, though. It is a good question. Everything. If you want to do car spotting and you don't live in California,

you want a vacation to go see stuff, just come down here. Come to San Diego, Orange County. Specifically take the PCH from the 55 freeway to the Laguna Beach Town Center. This is what Kenan and I spent our Saturday is doing this sometimes. It's for the 55 freeway and then go back and forth for hours. Get some cookies. There's some lunch at pavilions.

There is nothing we haven't seen. The grocery store. Yeah, just get that and go set out and watch the class. Or I thought about Trader Joe's with a sad ass and barn dealership. Yes, that's a good. There's a little deli. Next question. This question is from Elwood Cribbs, and I'm desperate to answer it and stop the questions about it, but I don't think it will.

Question is Doug got us to query pro. Why not a Lexus GX or equivalent Toyotas? Tell me what to buy it. Can I answer it for you? Yeah, you can. Okay, the GX came out 20 years ago. There's no technology whatsoever. The new GX obviously.

Oh, the new G. Well, I have been asked this question, I think upwards of 60 times now. I've answered, I've been asked a question 100 times. I've answered the question on social, maybe 60 times now. Direct. By the new GX. And I'm still replying to it and still answering it wherever I see it, but I'm hoping maybe this will help a little bit. Oh.

The new Lexus GX offers an enormous amount of off-road equipment, which is great. And it also offers a third row. but it doesn't offer the two things together. No overtrail with the third row. You can't get the overtrail or any of the off-road hardware that the car has or the software with the third row. And I do a lot of off-roading with a lot of people, which Toyota apparently doesn't a thing, the thing that isn't a thing. Except for the for the runner, which is it all with the row.

But not in the high-trial. Wait, really? Once again. Is that true of the overtrail? Yes. The trail runner. The trail-hunter and the pro once again are not offered for the third row. So Toyota screw that up again.

And so the only Toyota that you can buy that doesn't make. you choose between a third row and the off-road stuff is the Sequoia and that's why I bought the Sequoia. And the question, why not the LX? That's also in here too expensive. And then the TX doesn't offer it. And those are the answers. This was a really long thought decision. Believe me, I don't want to Toyota to Sequoia. To be perfectly frank. It is the only vehicle that really fit my...

When you got the, you order the Sequoia and then a week later you had the GX press car. Yeah. And I feel like we had specific concerns about the Sequoia. Yeah. GX addressed none of them. It wasn't better in any reasonable way. And people were like, you did the, you bought this, a coin, then the forer came out the next day. It's like, well, it didn't really happen that way. The videos don't go quite up that, you know, that quickly.

But the forer also didn't address them. The concerns were I needed a big car with big seating for as many people as possible. I mean, I got seven seats in that car. I would love 12. Like, if I could get 14 seats. A tell us on Columbus, off road would be the move. Yeah. Or that four-row Kia Carnival. But that's the answer to why I didn't get the GX.

I'm sure I'm going to continue to get the question. Also, it doesn't, like, improve... The Sequoia ride, not that great. No, it doesn't ride well. It doesn't... The GX was maybe marginally better, but barely. So that's the interesting thing. Someone said to me, an insightful question that I got.

Someone said to me, if the GX was offered that way, would you have gotten it? I'm not sure. I think you... It would have been a stronger debate. It would have been a stronger debate, but the GX... It doesn't solve the ride quality issue. It's more expensive, and the third row is tight. The second row in the GX was tight.

And the third row is pretty tight. The car seats are giant. If you don't have kids or not around car seats, you might not understand. Car seats are gigantic. They're big. Reefacing especially. It's wild. Yeah.

So I don't plan to own this thing for very long. Five years maybe until kids are a little bit older and life gets a little bit easier. But for now, it's just the only car I could get. And five years from now, if you're looking for Sequoia Tier Dup Pro, by dogs. It is exclusively used to drive across the country. Of course, for three months of the year, it sits next to the ocean. I have 160 miles on it. I've owned it a month.

You're at 160. But remember, 100 of that was to Valley Center to film a video one day, and then you drove it, like six miles or something, and it came with 11. So aside from that one trip, and then the miles that I didn't add, I've driven it 25 miles. I want all of yours to know that I drove it from mile eight to mile 11. Very proud of that. You were the first person. I was the first one of the new Camry, though. You'll forever lord that over me.

Okay, next question. from ACOGER 25 Kennan recently reviewed the GT350 and was overwhelmingly positive as was Doug in his original review from 2017 The R to be specific We both reviewed ours With used prices sitting around 55

For a manual transmission 500 horse NAV8 I'm surprised there isn't more attention on these cars any thoughts Yes I think the reason And I mentioned a little bit in the video The engines are not known for reliability necessarily They're kind of fragile You had issues

I remember when we've launched cars and bids we did a string of them had a lot Yeah we did through And it was stunning the number that were like Second Engine third engine Like yeah The engine had some issues There are I believe there are companies now that bulletproof them

And I think there are solutions I think the later ones are better Because they made it up until recent Yeah and also but And yeah I know it's problematic But man it's such an incredible engine I think the things to keep in mind Though it ultimately is a Mustang

So one thing you have to do with this It's the stigma It's like do you want to be a Mustang person especially with the loud button, which is loud on that car. But also, you know, the build quality, the interior materials are not all that nice, but it's not about that. It's about how incredible that tremic six-speed feels, that incredible engine, the handling that's unreal, just millimetrically perfect steering.

It's about the driving experience. And so I think those, the previous things I mentioned are why they're not worth as much. They also did make quite a few. And it was a very expensive Mustang. And I just think people were like, you look at that and it's like, I'm not a hundred grand on a Mustang. and so, but nonetheless, great buy on the secondhand market,

and also, that is one of the only American cars I've been, I've, like, truly fall in love with and have genuinely thought about, like, continue to think about, like, I would love to have one at some stage. Literally everything you just said. It is so much more,

also compared to a regular Mustang from that era, notably more expensive for it. It's just so much better, though. I agree that it suffers from the Sigma, which is sad, because truthfully, it's on a totally different level. And by the way, I liked the regular Mustang from that era. Oh, yeah, I didn't have any,

The S550 is a great Mustang. But people look at it and they say, oh, it's a Mustang. And I think that always is going to hurt value because at the end of the day, it's not like a Ford GTT is like a bespoke built specialty. Right. The Mustang is the GT350 is with that fantastic power train. It's a Mustang that will always have an effect. They built a lot of them. I agree.

It is one of the American cars that have. One of the best American cars of all time. Absolutely. For me personally, I have toyed with getting a GT350 for on and off for like a long time. I just don't want to have two Fords and then people. You love Ford. You're a Ford guy. You're biased.

I got two Mercedes-Benz. It doesn't seem to bother you too much. Oh, I am biased about Mercedes-Benz. Nonetheless, Mercedes-Benz USA is the only car company that will not issue me press cars. So, my bias hasn't really gotten me in it. See, I love them anyway, but they don't love you back. That's one elusive. That's actually, they've lightened up a little on that recently.

Yeah, so not to gush too much about it, but I really love that car, and it is excellent. And so if you're thinking about getting one, if you, if you don't, those are things about you, get it. We won't regret the car. Can I ask you a generalized question? All right, Gt350R is down, which is like the pinnacle forward from the era that's not a Ford Dutie down to the 50s. A lot of Vipers are like capped out at like have that same floor. Do all like large-ish production number American sports cards end up at 50 grand? There's an age difference.

There is a big age difference. Do all American sports cars eventually end up the nicest ones being worth 50 grand? 4GT is. Well, but like that are based on that that aren't bespoke. low production. But the Viper is kind of a spokely production. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you have to think about like the Viper was its own thing. The Mustang was ultimately a hot-ed-up Mustang. They're different. So I think that like those approaches are like, no, like Camaro.

Right, like, Camaro deal ones are 50. But again, it's like the, you know, I mean, it's the hot version of a normal car. M-5's a hot version of a normal car. It's the same thing. That also ends up in 50. I do think Vipers are surprisingly cheap, considering what they are, just generally, just across the board. If someone told me a manual V10 low production distinctive, like not a version of a Camaro, but a distinct, you would think just on paper that sounds like something that would bring more than the 35 to 55 grand

that Vipers have always sold for. I think it's just because, like, you know, Bill Quote is generally not great with Vipers. They are reliable, but it's, I mean, it's a car that you cannot use that often. It's like you have to really want it, even more new ones. You know, one of the interesting things about 4GT, I spoke to someone at Ford at some point about, he said,

we assumed that the depreciation curve would be like the Viper. And that's one of the reasons why it was cost engineered. They were desperate to get this original sticker price to 149-9-95, because they felt going over one- Was? Yes. They felt that going over 150 was just catastrophically insane. Wow. And so it ended up being $150, $9.95 because they had this weird thing that happened

at the A-R, and it doesn't really matter. But nonetheless, they were at the price point, essentially. And that's not what happened. But a lot of people have criticized that car, rightfully so, for the key fob being from a Ford Explorer, for the turn signal stock being from a Ford Focus. Well, the reason for it, they were desperate cost-in-jury, because the only cars they had to go on were Vipers and ZR-1 Corvettes, both of which depreciated and weren't really particularly desired on the second-hand market. And that ended up not being what happened to the Ford-Git-N-Uroutine. It ended up being kind of an interesting story. Well, it turns out, when you build one of the best driving cars of its era, it turns a desirable thing.

The Vipers is pretty good drive, though. I think vipers are criminally undervalued. And I'm not saying that I think they'll go up. The market is shown they will not. But I think they are criminally undervalued for all that is offered in them. A blue-white 97 GTS should not be a 50s car. Still wait. Still waiting on a red first?

I paid 33-5. That is not a 30s car. It is not a 50s car. That should be 100 car, but whatever. It's fine. I'm happy about it. Kenner will get one. More accessible.

Still waiting. You'll get one. We'll see. If you have a first-gen, Red Viper that you want to sell, sell it on cars and bid so can't and combine. Which, by the way, brings us to an next interesting question here, which is

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Good question, yeah. Oh, where is it? Oh, yes. From not a real bidding account. Doug, you have said in the past that you won't bid on any car that has a reserve. This question's for all of us, though, because it's true for all of us. Is there any car you'd break the rule for? The answer, not a real bidding account, is the following.

When the cars come into the site, if it is a car that I really want, I will tell the seller to go no reserve, and I promise he will get to the reserve because I will make sure of it. In other words, I will bid the reserve. Like, I'll get him there. I have only done this one time. It was for a, do you remember? No.

It was for a smart crossblank. That's right. I forgot about that. And then what happened. This dude was like, okay, here's what happened. This is the problem. This dude was like wishy-wash. You should pull it up.

This dude was like wishy-washy. It was the second crossblading. It was the third crossblower. we've had three guys so this dude it was this guy this dude was like wishy-washy on selling it had been in our queue for like ever yeah and he was like i'm not sure i'll get the money out of it and i was like dude he wanted 40 or something i was like dude go no reserve that way i can bid on it and i promise you'll get 40 okay so i will happily pay 40 i'll pay 40 i'll pay 40 i promise you you you'll get 40 because i know i'll pay it and my comp was this which which was this other crossplay

inexplicably that we sold for 55 which seemed like a lot but then again i thought 37 was a lot for this one considering it had no title. And no roof and no doors? Yes, that's true. And no roof, no door. I think it's not a usable car and it has no title. So you can't register it. And even if you did, you wouldn't want to use it. So 37 seems like a lot because that's like you can buy a real car for that. So 55 seem like, so I told this guy said you're going to get 40s, no problem. And I, if you go in here, I bid, I bid hard. I went deep into this. And I got up to 38. And then it was such a,

there you are. So here I am. But it was such a war between these two guys. 56 mark 2 and in. I forgot how quickly they moved that too. I was actually willing to go up to like 42, 43, but they were clearly in such a war that I eventually just had to bail. And the usual technique that Mark 562 used here, he went from 40 to 45 to just threw it out there.

And then again, from 45 to 50, he was just losing 5 grand. That's right. He went up by 5 grand. The other guy was like, um, uh, 250. And the other guy was like, 5 grand again, boom. And he had scared even... 506 mark two, we got to.

Yeah. Yeah. And he scared. dug away and he closed with another 45... Yeah, he overpaid by God knows how much because the guy below, but he got it. I mean, maybe it would have gotten to the same amount. He just wasn't...

He didn't want his... He just wanted to buy the damn car. And he did. And I hope that he is enjoying it in whatever limited capacity of the vehicle could be enjoyed in. I'm so jealous of that dude. It's so cool. That guy, 56 Mark 2, one of the reasons I let him walk away with it also is because he had been the underbitter

on the previous two. And I was like, you know what, this dude really wants it. He deserves it. He deserves it. Also, he's willing to pay 15 grand more than I am, and I want to I really wanted it. I remember your text as you went through it. He was like trying to get our friend Sam to go in on a deal with it, like, split the cost and drive it around. I wanted it so... I'll go to

45 if Sam throws it was in. I'm so glad I didn't do it, God. Man, it would be cool. It would be cool. Okay, one last single question, one last single question. This one is for Kenan from someone named Precise. Oh, precise. Question for Canon. I have two weekend cars and I am toying with the idea of consolidating down to one car.

The two cars are a sub-40,000 mile LMB slash caramel E-39M-5 and a 718 boxer spider. The car I would get to replace them both is a 550 marinella. The best $550 I can get for the two cars that I'd sell them for. I've never driven a 550, but it seems like you have experience with all three cars. From a collectibility ownership, driveability perspective, should I do it or should I stick with what I have? Also, with our similar taste in cars, are you tracking my cookies? Cars and fits. Well, you are a man of exquisite text, I have to say.

I aspire to be you. So the thing, the 550 would do both of those things at an extremely good level. And it is a very desirable car. That said, it is a 1990s Ferrari. You will have problems. The car will be off the road for extended periods of time. Parts are difficult to get. There will be issues you will have to consider if that is going to be your only vehicle.

And it can't do. and you can't... Two important things. Well, two important things. Can't care more than one other person. Which the M5 can. And it's not like a true sports car,

which the box is quite a convertible. It's not a convertible. Yeah. And also relatively small than you would think trunk. It's not as practical as you might believe. But yeah, it's pretty simple. Because a huge fuel tank

in the car is like, because it's built for 200 mile an hour cruising and all those records that it broke when it came out. So I would think long and hard about like if you want to deal with the Ferrari pain because it is going to be more than both the E-39 M5 and the box Spider combined.

And I think, but as a driving experience, just focusing on that, it is definitely more similar to the E39M5 than it is the boxer spider. It is soft. It is GT focused. It will not be as aggressive and as great to drive as the spider. But it is a pretty beautiful crossroads, and it is more

special than both. What else should he consider? 575. No, I'll tell you this. My answer to this question is, I wouldn't do it. I don't think I would. Because those perfect two-car garage. And I agree with basically everything you said not the finance didn't come into it though

I do think that the long term play the 550 will do far better than any of those I don't know both of those will do well yeah but the 550 is the Daytona our generation the 550 is the Daytona of our generation I will buy the 550 you buy the M5 and the Boster's no no I want to flip it the 550 is going to do better but I agree

with you the driving experience is closer the M5 it's going to have more problems so the question is do you really want to go down that road but I will tell you it it is a really special car It is a really special car. It would never make me get rid of my M5, but I think, because I just adore the car. They're also, like, they're valuable, but not crazily valuable. You probably could keep the M5.

But I don't know. So I think you have to weigh a couple of things. If it were me personally, I probably wouldn't. I probably would keep the two. It's a great two car solution. It's a great two car solution. And you would have an amazing 25 years of driving bliss. But when the 550s are selling for $800,000 in 25 years, you'd be like,

like, damn, I wish I bought that $5.50. Because E3.99 and 5 in the Boxster Spider just won't be. Also true. So if you're brave and you want to have, you potentially have the Daytona of our generation. The answer is, buy them all. Oh, nice. Goodbye, everybody. Thanks for coming to our pre-recorded podcast.