THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Doug Names the Best and Worst Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini of All TIME! and MORE! EP16

Episode Date: July 5, 2024

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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Felipe. And today we're going to talk about cars and I'm remote and in front of an elephant. What's the elephant's name? Do you want to name it right now? Kenan, please name it. I feel like Edward for some reason.

Edward. Edward, the elephant. I like alliteration, generally speaking. This is Edward. We'll come up with a better name. There's a lot to discuss today. I am not here for the next few weeks, but I am here. physically not present, but virtually present. And so we can still do our podcast.

Believe it, you want to start us off with some news? Yeah, I have the most exciting news of all today. Oh, I really thought I was going to talk with the Kia Carnival, but Alaska. Thank you, you, didn't. There has been a cyber attack. Yeah, on CBK, which is one of the largest dealer management systems. And this picture is supposed to indicate a cyber attack. It's a car, cars, and then the top is green.

It looks like the future or something, right? Also, or radiation. Where are these cars? Because some of these are European market and Latin American market only. That's a Chevy Equinox. There is a cyber attack. CDK, which is one of the largest dealership management systems, has had a cyber attack a couple weeks ago.

They shut down all access to it to prevent further issues. They claim that it will all be restored by July 4th, which is the day before this podcast goes out. So maybe all will be normal. But even as of a week ago, the estimate was that it had a direct impact of almost a billion dollars in sales and other kind of revenues that dealerships will not feel. Basically, dealerships have had to go back to paper and pen to ink any deals, to make any offers, to actually transact anything. Indeed. In fact, it's CDK, it turns out, not just manages the sales component of these car dealerships, but also like the service department, back-end stuff, like vehicles probably can't be registered.

They can't, like people making an appointment for an oil change, et cetera. It's all gunked up. Yep. And my understanding is the way that some dealers, by the way, this impact some of the largest dealer, Sonic Automotive Group. Right. Like a lot of really the largest dealer groups in the U.S. Yeah.

The estimate is something around like 100,000 vehicles that would have been sold, probably have not been sold as a result of the cyber attack. And the dealers that have managed to sell cars are presumably writing it down on pen and paper like in a spreadsheet and then we'll enter it in CDK once the time is ready. It's a weird situation. JD Power estimates that June car sales suffered by 5% just solely due to the cyber attack. That's a huge amount. Yeah, huge amount.

And what are we going to do to prevent future cyber attacks? What am I personally going to do? I mean, you know, I'm not so worried. You know, for me, a cyber attack when it comes to cars would be like my Bluetooth doesn't work on my M5. That's as close as it gets because my car doesn't have a lot of technology. And I'm just going to stick with my analog stuff. I don't know. I mean, this is just the reality of living in the modern age

it's going to happen all the time. It's just inavoidable, really. The understanding is generally seems to be the CDK paid the ransom that the cyber attackers demanded. No way. Cool. They haven't verified this, but that's your understanding, which brings up a question. Presumably, there will be more similar cyber attacks, right? One is successful, but keep going.

But they were put in a really tough position of shut down access entirely and prevent the loss of data or retain access where they could. And I think they made probably the right decision just shutting it down entirely. But the impact is five percent of the market for the month and a billion dollars. And, you know, the loss of trust with their product. I mean, do these companies still use them? If it's the big guys like Sonic and Lithia and them, do they still continue to use CDK? Obviously, would the cyber attack, if it hadn't happened, would that have prevented Kenon from wearing that shirt?

Or, or? No, nothing would have prevented me from wearing some new clothes. Thank you. I was waiting for you to mention something. I have gotten some new stuff. So thank you for that. Very useful for the audio listeners. I think you look beautiful like always.

Okay. What is our next news topic? Please show us the picture. Oh, Volvo. This is one of my news stories. Volvo, there's a lot to talk about with Volvo. They sent me an email the other day. It was a personal email from their PR people.

Seriously. And they said, hey, you just want to let you know. It was like very, you know, soft language. The X30. We're trying to enhance the experience for a customer. You know that kind of stuff. And they said, by the way, the X30 is, delayed heavily. Meanwhile, the X-90 is coming, but it will come without equipment, including

driver assist, which will come the over-the-air update. So the X-30 is pushback. The X-90 is coming, but without stuff. And that makes me wonder, I see Polestar 2s everywhere. You know where I'm going with this, Philipo? I see Polestar 2s everywhere. They are all rental cars. There's not a single person who has purchased a Polestar 2 in the last nine, 10 months. And so it's like, why not you, I mean, they've sold them all the budget. So it's like, why don't you just take the Pulse Star 2s and take whatever is making them, this is a simplification of the manufacturing process and make the X30 and the X90. The problem for the X30 has not been actual production.

It has been all the technology issues. They've had a, they've rolled out new infatement. They rolled out new software to control entire cars and it's gone really poorly. In Europe, where they sold the X30s, they have bought them back and refunded buyers because there were so many issues. Great irony, of course, is that the EX30 was being pitched as an ultra-simple car.

It had like there was only one screen in the middle. There were no stocks. There were no buttons. Like it was supposed to solve all of these problems. Well, that only works when that screen works, doesn't it? Right? Like if you really messed that up, as seemingly Volvo did.

Turns out, it's complicated. The screen is the most important thing in the car. And if they don't have that, then they're screwed. It's kind of tough, right? I mean, the X-Rer is supposed to come out. come on some markets it's delayed does that really matter i don't know if people were paying that much attention to it uh ex-nandy coming out without the safety tech is interesting so i am currently we have a a honda civic here in the office because sorry a honda CRV here in the office because ken

and i are doing a video later today don't worry about uh and in 2023 technically the this trimable has blind spot monitoring but this does not because in 2023 they had supply chain issues and And therefore, they decontented cars and gave buyers $500 back. GM did it too. They, like, didn't have, like, power ports and outlets and things like that for supply issues. Yeah. So this has been a thing for a while. But we're past that point.

So the fact that the EF90 isn't. With my Sequoia, they only gave me one key. Right. You know, they're going to give me the other one later. But the problem is, like, if I'm leasing an EX 90 and those features will come for nine months and it's a 36-month lease, it's like, well, that's like a third of my lease. I didn't have the stuff I was paying for. Also, Volwo made such a big deal about all like the LiDAR tech and whatnot in the EX. It was such a huge news story for people that are in Canon when it came out.

And like now it doesn't have that. That's a big omission when that's a selling point of your car. Yep. It absolutely is. But that's coming out and it's going to be beautiful. You did a like a walk around review but didn't drive it, right? I haven't driven it yet. But, you know, neither has the self-driving tech.

Um, wait, before we move on from Volvo, the S60 is dead, according to your notes here. S60 is dead. They can't make S60s anymore. Didn't we talk about this two weeks ago? No, we're supposed to, but I didn't bring it up. Hey, Kenan, don't you think that they could just take the robots from one factory and move them for, yeah, and stop making Pulse Star 2s that nobody wants and instead make EX90s that everybody wants? For the record, the Pulsar 2 just got a facelift. It's still desirable.

Well, one would, yeah, that's dramatic over some. But yes, that is the general premise. And just put a Polestar 2 door on that EX 30 all work. You're missing the point. All you got to do is show up and teach the robot, hey robot, make an EX 90 instead. You put, you upload that. It's a CD. You put the CD in the slot and he makes an EX 90.

As a reminder for everybody, Doug originally thought he could build cars and bids on his own. You'll learn how to go and build cars and bits on his own. And I could have knocked it out a long weekend with a couple of cold ones. We'd need a lot of cold ones, a lot of cold ones to do that. All right. What's our next news story? Oh, cool.

This is the one I'm most excited about. We're going to talk about it for literally 30 seconds. Good. I want a hybrid minivan. I actually want a plug-in hybrid minivan. There's three options. Well, now there's three options. There were two until like a week ago.

Option one, Toyota Sienna. Yeah. Option two, Chrysler, Pacifica, plug-in hybrid. Excellent car will run about 30 miles before breaking down. Yes. Not before running out of electricity, before breaking down fully. Right. But now there's a new, the Kia Carnival, which has a facelift now,

it's also available as a hybrid. Starting in fall 2020. All right. All right. Next story. Bully for you. Now we get under some real stuff. Probably weighs less than this too.

Yes. The new M5, the G90 generation M5 came out. Of course, we've pre-recorded last week's podcast. Of course, the day after the new M5 comes out. But here it is. Now, it's, there are some things to talk about with it. One is that it is very powerful, makes 717 break horsepower. And a thousand new music tour.

or 738 foot pounds of torque. What did the last one make? The last one was less. I forgot, but it was definitely. But here's the problem. When you start to, when you factor in this car's weight, which is what everybody's talking about, weighs 5,400 pounds.

When you factor that in, it actually has only the third best power to weight ratio, just above the E60M5. The F90, the F10 had a better power to weight ratio than this car does. The F90 is very interesting in that they added all-wheel drive, but it was lighter than its predecessor, which is pretty wild.

This car, it is not lighter. And this is the big thing everybody is talking about because its performance is worse. It's zero to 60 time is quoted at three and a half seconds. BMW usually tends to kind of under-report their cars and they ended up actually being, or over-report their cars and they tend to be faster to 60 times. But regardless, it is slower technically than its predecessor,

which is the first time I don't know of any other performance car in recent history where it was slower than the one it replaced. But it does retain a V8 engine, which is great 4.4 liters. turbocharged V8 engine. Sounds very familiar. And of course, they've added hybrid electric power to this car, which is how they've arrived at that power figure.

They have said they're not going to do a performance trim of it, but I will believe that when I see it. I suspect they will do a CS, but as we were talking about, maybe the performance brand is something they want to get away from. They want to have an M5 and an M5 CS or whatever. Who knows? The photo that you have there hasn't been dodged.

It looks like it's fatter. Even the picture, it looks like it's like, too. I'm a huge apologist for the new M5 series. I love the new five series dearly. It's getting harder and harder to be an apology. It's a thousand pounds heavier. It is heavy. It's...

Than the last one. To be clear. You know, I also agree. I'm not, you know, I'm not like most enthusiasts where they say, oh, it's new, therefore I hate it. I think that it is, I think, I think it looks fine. It looks fine. A wagon version is coming that we know, which will... Well, that would be 17,000 pounds?

Right. One wonders. But, you know, the performance. is the big sticking point. But that said, we're talking about the most powerful M5 of all time. And it's a disappointment for a lot of people.

I'm sure it'll drive great. Exactly. That's the thing. But here's the thing. To hide that much weight, I think that it driving great will have to also be kind of numb. Like, it'll handle technically well.

It'll be technically fast. But it's a thousand pounds heavier than the last one. It's notably heavier than an S680 MyBock. Yeah. Like, how do you make it engaging? That car, though, is notoriously known for its handling prowess. That's 580.80.

That's 680, my buck. Yeah. My buck. Yeah, yeah. You know, I will, I generally agree with you, Philippo, but I will say the automakers have done a really impressive job. You know, cars have generally gotten heavier over the years, and yet they all seem to still be faster around racetracks.

So maybe BMW has a good job. What's that? That's different than it being fun. Well, the M5 is a, it's not fun. It's just full power and performance in going fast. The Germans don't do fun. The Germans whole thing is like, is it faster? Is it more powerful?

Is it faster on a racetrack? That's all they care about. Of course, the answer is no, it is not fast. I have a hard time really believing that. I agree with you that they're going to come out with a performance train. But I suspect when you get it on the, when you do a quarter mile next to the old one, that this one just has to be faster. It just has to be.

Well, and you have a great saying that all performance cars are the same fast. And it's three and a half seconds to 60 is still very quick. And like I said, it will probably record faster times than that. I don't know. I personally withhold all reservations until I've seen it and driven it. Truly. Like,

I think you can have some opinions on it. And, you know, of course, the BMWM community is all up in arms about the car. But like, one aren't they, frankly. But it,

I don't know. I still want to see it and drive it in person. Yeah. But it is the figures that are being reported are unusual. I'm not a, like, I generally actually really love when automakers go down in power or have their car because a little smaller or like decon

them for a new generation. Right. Because I don't think we need to be in the war of like more, more, more, more, more, more power. There was a reason that the Japanese in the 90s all had 276 horse power stated, right? Even if they're faster that. You want a gentleman's more? I don't think that it always needs to be more powerful faster. It should just be better.

But it being, I think in this class, it does matter that it's more powerful or faster. It's more powerful. It's not any faster. It's a thousand pounds heavier. I understand. Don't forget the M5 is designed to bomb down, you know, highways. That's what it is for. It's for auto monster. And they'll crush through everything in its path because it weighs infinity. Well, yeah. I look, I don't disagree that the weight is obscene and I'm...

Is it, so I read somewhere that it weighs more than an X5M. Is that right? Oh, believable. I mean, I'm not joking that it weighs more than a S680, which is a higher class, higher content, my buck. Like, I have to say, I am happy that a V8 is retained for the M5. I thought for sure the next one, this one was going to have a turbo charge. straight six and they were going to go back on the number of cylinders. Evidently, the engineers wanted to go full electric, but couldn't just because it was, the performance wasn't optimized for the track and then they didn't want to do that. So they stuck with the hybrid, which I think is the right choice. Ultimately, all knew it was going to go this way at some point.

Probably not going full electric, though, is that you're running up against all these electric cars that just has better performance. Like, at the end of the day, this is slower than a rivet. It's slower than a Hummery V. It's slower than a Tycon. It's slower than a plaid. It's like, it starts to be. kind of this thing where if you don't go full electric, it's like, well, okay, so what do you have?

And then instead they go partial electric, which added a thousand pounds to the car. And it's like, so you've kind of messed it up anyway. Right. You could have chosen one or the other, and instead they chose neither. Right. And I'm sure it will be very reliable on the long run too as all M5. Regardless, we're all a little skeptical of the new M5 in a way that I think we haven't been. I mean, we're always a little skeptical of a new M5 or M3 or M3 or E63 or whatever.

But this, this one is a, it's like, it's like they're really challenging us this time. It's a hard one to defend admittedly, even as an M5 diehard. It is tough. But as M5 goes down is the all-time great. Okay, give us the next new story, Fulipo. This is actually going to be a Kevin's. I asked Kenan to talk about this yesterday. And Kenan's reaction was exactly what you would expect.

So you see on your screen, this is a Pagani Wira. Now, you're asking yourself, why are we talking about this car? It's gone out of production. It's been replaced by the Utopia. Why are we talking about the wire? Well, they're doing an epitome version of it. They're going to make one of these. And its main feature, in addition to some different styling, it has a manual transmission.

Now, I thought to myself, this is a single. They're going to make one car. One car. Now, of course, the new car, which looks very similar to the old one, is offered with a manual transmission. So who cares about this car? It doesn't make any sense. I get that they continued making the Zonda in one-off editions forever. But that was cool.

It had an NAV-12 and they offered with a manual and, you know, the wire was all, you know, all automatics. But they've decided to make one for God knows what reason. And they've decided to continue producing this car. And I'll tell you what reason. There's some rich customer who's commissioned it and it's $2 million and it costs them $3.5 million to make. And so they're going to do it for him. And they sign an agreement with him that they won't make any more because he gave him $7 million dollars in straight profit.

That's the thing. That's what I'm doing. But why not then just make a one-off version of the next car? Like, it's just, I don't. Cigone does this one. The manual. Yeah, I guess. It's the epitome edition.

It's the epitome. It's the epitome of wind. I'm surprised that you, that your reaction was as visceral as it is because like, they're adding a manual to a car that, that. Well, it's just a nonsense car. Like, it's just, it's just ridiculous. I get your point, which makes a lot of sense.

Like, it, who cares? If PNW for the last version did, the E38 made a factory manual 740 IM sport, you would have loved it. Yep. That's a love. Like, yeah, that's a, that's a, that's a, you know that it's something a little different when it's just another one of these 10 million dollar rich guy cars that we're never going to see. And it's like, all right, you know, you did it. Cool. We'll move on.

I also agree with you, Kevin, like, okay, you made one stick Wira, but the utopia is all stick. And so like, like, this rich guy is going to go around being like, I have the stick wire. And it's like, okay, nobody. That's not. Yeah. Nobody. How different does the utopia look? It looks the same.

It looks the same. You would not be able to tell the car. Doug, this came up and Doug thought it was the same car, which is... Absolutely thought it was a utopia. Don't really... I'm not, I don't like...

Oh, wow. You're not wrong. And other than that, I'm not into pagani. Yeah, the zondo is the one that lives in our hearts and minds rent free. There has never been a car. The entire brand was owned by such tasteless human beings as Pagani. There is not a single wira, and I'm not exaggerating. There is not a single wire.

that has been speced in a manner that is tasteful, not one. And they've made probably 300. There is not one wire. Google Paganiwira if you want to. You can do this at home, everyone. Can you tell them how to sell wire, please, Doug? There's an H in there and all sorts of other vowels. It's like Sequoia.

They got every vowel in that damn name. Google Paganiwira. Yeah, yeah. And then go to images, and I challenge you to find one that doesn't look like the kind of thing that some That's not terrible. He was going to be indicted next week for crimes has configured. They're all heinous. Yeah, you got a point there.

Yeah, they're all pretty bad. There's some silver ones. Those look okay. But I've never seen one. Like, that was Pagani being like, you can make it silver. But then the rich guys showed up and were like, can I have green with a lower half in red in a blue interior? Oh, ha, ha.

That is exactly what happened. And then they got indicted. And then they got indicted. And then they got indicted and the car had to be sold by the federal government at auction. To some other tasteless person who is, it's a circle of life. Then they would get indicted. It's a circle of tasteless life. All right.

Do we have any other news stories? No, that's it. I think that's all. All right. We're going to move on to talking about cars, cars, cars. Okay. Douglas, start us off. You just drove across the country.

Yes, you have the bigger story. You stayed in a pyramid. I drove across the United States in a Toyota Sequoia. And yes, I stayed in a bass pro shops. You ever stay in a bass pro shops, Philippa? Not that's closing hours. Not that I can say publicly now. There's a giant bass pro shops in Memphis, Tennessee that is a pyramid.

The pyramid was originally built for a hockey team or a basketball team or something. and then it got converted into the world's largest bass pro shops and it's also a hotel. And when I called to book the reservation, I have to call. I can't book it online because I have my dog with me and I had to tell them. And when I call the book the reservation, they said, do you want an indoor facing room or an outdoor facing room? And I thought to myself, I want to see this thing. I want to see this bass pro shops for myself. So I got an indoor facing room, which actually turns out to be cabins.

They have built cabins that almost look like they're suspended from the pyramid all throughout the inside of the hotel. And so I didn't just stay in a room. I stayed in a cabin inside a Bass Pro Shops. And unbelievable experience all around. Yeah, that's, that is one of the most outrageous statements you can possibly say. That's something you never imagined in your whole life that you'd say you stayed at a cabin in a vast pro shop with your dog. Had like a balcony, right? It had a screened porch.

I swear to you. It had a screened porch. What's it screened against? Grandma's cabin in Tennessee. Were there bugs? inside? No, they wanted to. It was about the mood. It was about the atmosphere. That's because nothing adds mood quite like screens. How many fishing poles were in the screen porch? You dude, there was no fishing poles, but the number of faux animal things inside,

like I slept under a deerhead. Um, like the tap was a duck. You know what I mean? Like it was one of those kind of things. Like it was and the light switch was a was a quail. It's incredible. Does they like, does they dim like the lights of inside the pyramid? and play like night animal noises? You know, you know, it was, it's interesting you mentioned that. You know what was upsetting? I was excited to go to the, to sleep, to sound of the waterfall inside the pyramid, because the world's largest best pro shops has a waterfall inside, you might imagine.

But you know what I went to sleep to instead? Of course, I left the door open because the screen in porch kept out the bugs. You know what I left the, you know what I went to sleep to instead? Who was the sounds of the jam, the cleaning crew buffing the floors because I swear to God. I look out of it. over my screen porch over my, over my Bass Pro Shops empire, and what do I see, but four people in there mopping and sweeping and shrewing the floor. And you really kind of took away from the move to be honest. Can I ask you a Sequoia related question?

Because we are. Yeah. How many Sequoia T.R.D pros were at the parking lot for the Bath Pro shop? I haven't seen a Sequoia TRI pro since I left Southern California. What? No one has them. Including at the parking lot of the Bath Pro Shop in Memphis, Tennessee. That's a little bit of surprise.

Car did well, man. On that road trip, people were, people in Tennessee and Oklahoma were like looking at it. Like, yeah, yeah, man. Yep. How did the car do? How did the car do generally? It was great.

Great self-driving. Fuel economy is pretty bad, but it was a great. It was a wonderful cross-country trip. Very easy, no issues. The only thing that happened was there was a tire blow out in front of me at one point, New Jersey. But other than that, it was pretty easy. Typical New Jersey experience.

Were you on the cars and truck section of the New Jersey? return pipes or the car's only section. I only drive on the truck side. That's a tip that I shouldn't be sharing, but the truck side is always faster because even on the truck side, they keep the trucks out of the left lane. And also,

you can go 1,000 miles an hour because the police aren't really paying attention to the truck side. It is the bad. Yeah, without a similar. Not that I did, Kenon. Of course. He's driving a responsible family SUV.

Right. He drives a few limit. And I did not discover that it tops out at 109. That didn't find that out on the trip at any point. That's like, That's like 109. That's like the speed limit in Texas, though. So that's fine. Well, yeah. Well, it's on all terrains too. So I don't know if that's a tire related speed limit. But 109 is where they stop the fuel.

Speaking of our own vehicles, Kenan, can you tell us about your M5? Yes. I'm pulling up my phone because I want to get this number right. But I recently put a down payment on the next service. So I paid Ryan from E39 source my parts for that I'm going to replace in the M5. I want to describe a little bit of what I'm doing. doing to it so you understand. So there's some kind of extraneous stuff replacing fender liners. They're plastic and have broken down over 20 years. They're starting to fall apart and like chip away just due to age and, you know, being hot here. Federer, yeah, fendon wires and some underbody trim.

What's the underbody panels cost? Just tell me that. Okay. The front fender, the front fender on the left side is $376.88 for just that. And- How many are you replacing? Four, right? Yeah, four of them. But they actually get, that's the most expensive one. The rest of $600 in Defender liners? Well, the rest, the rest are like $200, but still. Show me Filippo's reaction to this. You believe, Filippo, are you astonished by this? I cease to be astonished by Ked. There's more. So that, yeah, then I'm doing this. You're doing the lighters. You're out of your mind. Then we're doing, yeah, then I'm doing the fuel filter. So diagnosis on the front axle. This is the big service. It's getting new rear.

wheel bearings, hubs, axles, and H-arms. The H-arms have to replace because they're bushings in them that cannot be replaced. Neither Doug nor ride, know what that is. Yeah, people in the audience and know that you guys want that. Damn, I tell you, my car I read price with K-arms just the other day. Nice. Nice. Very nice.

The axles just showed up, which I'm very excited about. Evidently, I asked Ryan. You're replacing the axles? Yes, the boots are starting to split in their original at 235,000 miles, so it's time. They're like due. They're ready. The total cost of the parts, Kenan. There's much more.

I happen to already know the total cost of the part. What is the cost? Cost of the part so far, $6,819.80. Yesterday you said it was $5,800. I edited it up wrong. Something I forgot. A thousand here, a thousand there. Kenan.

Right. Kenon. I got to stop doing this. Those are the parts, not the parts in labor. Yes, the labor. come later. The labor is substantial. Ryan will find 10 other problems. This is going to be a $20,000 service on this car.

We'll see. The car is worth $23,000. So I don't think it will be, yeah, I don't think we're going to find a whole lot more. I'm good doing these projects as large scope as possible to catch as much stuff as I can. What is the total cost of the service going to be, Kenon? About 12. I think it's probably what's going to be around there. And for those that.

What's that? What did you spend last year? On the car. 13. Hey, it's consistent at least. You're there with him. You got to talk him out of this. You've met Kennan.

He's wearing that shirt, which is great. But like, he's not going to not. He's not going to not do it. For those that haven't watched, Kenan has a video on the cars and bits, YouTube channel where he documents what he spent so far in the last, in his ownership of the car. Yes.

We're at 60 grand. It's about 60 grand. So we'll be like 75. This will take it over seven. Because the video probably made 30, And so it's it's it's it's we're starting to start to call it back. So is that now the other 13 is added to the total. This is an addition to the 60 you've already spent, isn't it?

Yes. And then we'll be at 75. I'm going to just round it up. Yeah. For a 235,000 mile. That's what it takes to keep it going. I mean, it will do another 100,000 miles without too many issues. Like at this point, like that's the whole point of the.

I'm the thing with the service is. It's better because you just put $25,000. into it in the last 12 months. You could have bought another one. Yeah, that's true. That is true. Lower my one. But the thing is by buying another one, it would also need most of the stuff that's being replaced is due to use in detritus. So it would need, it would need to be replaced anyway. Like all the bushings, the bushings dry out and crack. You gotta do those. The engine leaks, the rod bearings need to be replaced. The vannis needs to be replaced. I've done all of it already. And so like buying another

one doesn't necessarily solve those problems. I'd still have to do them at some point or another. And low mileage doesn't necessarily help you because stuff dries out and it gets old and it cracks in it anyway. Kenan, I'm going to buy you. There's that Honda CRV in the office right now. I don't know why you have it. Please try to purchase it from whoever gave it to you. Give her the M5. Live your life in a more reasonable manner.

The cost of this service will be more than all but one vehicle I've ever purchased. Well, that's not a great difference. Because those vehicles were reliable. Those vehicles, I had my Ford Focus for paid $8,800, owned it for five years. Yes, I'm sure there must have been stuff that did not function on that Ford. But your tolerance for stuff that doesn't work versus my tolerance is very different. I have no tolerance for things to work.

Yeah, I certainly would not replace the underbody panels just because you might not be able to find them five years from now when you actually need to replace the underbody panels. Is that why you're doing it? They're not even damaged? No, they are damaged and like chipping and falling apart. The one has come apart from the fender and no longer like sticks to the car. I'm losing compote. Like there's some that are held on there with zip ties.

I'm losing. This is like an enormous amount of paint fade. So like it's cosmetically it's rough. It's not an enormous amount of paint. The door handles are paint faded and the hood is a little time. But other than that, yeah. Cosmetically, I just, yeah, I'm not going to do. I have this.

I am getting admittedly, I am getting tired of doing this. Like I am getting tired of putting tons and tons of money. What do you mean? Admittedly, you're getting tired of spending 13 grand a year. Kenon, you're spending a grand a month on this thing. Like, what could you get for a grand a month? A lot of stuff. Yeah, probably a lot of stuff.

You can drive, you know those videos they do on TikTok where they go around some dealership in Oklahoma asking everybody what their premium is? Filippo. You could be driving a grand wagon here, probably. Right, yeah. Again, bully for me. But it is, yeah, and just looking at it, it's like, I guess the problem is I still just love it so much. Like, that's the problem with the car is that it is so rewarding in my life that I justify

spending this kind of money on it. But I do realize, like, as an adult, like, I got to slow it down. Can I just throw something out there? Your age. Philippa, pull out one of those interest calculators. 13 grand at your age. Yeah. Yeah.

But that sounds direction I'm going to go in here. Think about it this way. A grand a month probably gets your CD5V black one. That's so true. And it would probably see for the other warranty. Would need no maintenance. Straight trade. You could do that tomorrow.

Yeah. Well, you have the parts. You may as well do that. but yeah I love my M5 it's sticking around but I do think I should get I do think it needs to be retired from daily use do you like I just don't want to put wear on it as much anymore I know it's a 235000 mile in five Doug tell him that like it's like 75 grand and if you when he retires and 60 grand the money is put into the car which is now 73,000 dollars at Kenan's age in 30 years would be worth four hundred and twenty thousand dollars when he retires the yes you should

Spend money for the things that you love. I don't, but you should. I do, yes. But here's the thing, Kenan. You can't then retire from daily use. Yeah, I mean. You're like the Corvette owner that buys it, never drives it. Drive it three miles.

Like, oh, I'm going to just store it. Yeah, I'll probably just keep driving it, but I don't know. You should get like my TV. I'm struggling with a lot of internal conflicts related to this most recent big service. And I told Ryan, it's like I'm getting kind of tired of spending all this money on this car. even me after all I've been through with it and how much I love it. Have you ever thought about an accurate TLX

one of those Tiger Eye ones? No. I agree with a lot of thing about a Blackwing. You could be driving around a Black Wing right now. And honestly, they're not depreciating much. And you probably could have been driving a Black Wing this whole time. You could have like adaptive crews and Bluetooth and the same six-speed manual V8. And you would dust.

And less fuel economy, as I think. It's the only gasoline power I've ever experienced range anxiety and was the Blackling. But yeah. All those points are, trust me, are things I'm thinking about, but I just don't want to get rid of it. I just adore the car. I worked on it this weekend with an actual cold one. And I worked on some stuff with it.

And I saved myself some labor cost for me 39. I had to replace the hood latch because being a BMW, I pulled it so many times it's broken. And so I replaced that. And I was just working on it. And like, it was an absolute pleasure. What did the hood latch cost? Oh, that was like the hood. It's a boating cable.

and that was like, it was less than 100, I think, for that. And I replaced the lower cabin air filter because there's a thing on it that broke that holds the hood sensor. It's like something that open. It's bad designs. It's forever the headers that need to be replaced. I replaced that too. And that was also like 100 bucks. It wasn't very expensive.

How many hours did you spend on it there? Because I've done this before, it was like an hour. It genuinely was an hour. You've done much before the hood cable? Yeah, this is not very sad. I mean, it's a bad design that it like, it articulates in a weird way. all of the cables slide except for where you pull the handle, it twists because it like pulls the, the cable like kind of in a crescent motion. And so like it snaps there regularly.

In my opinion, it's something that like if you take care of your M5 and you open the hood a lot, you need to replace it like every five years or so. It's not bad, but loitly. Meanwhile, Felipe's driving around and his interior lights don't work. Right. This is. I want you over the summer, I want your summer goal to be to learn a little something from Felipe out about living with discomfort. Your fuse goes out and you need to replace it so you can have brake lights. You don't need cabin lights.

Yeah, the fuse is two to bucks, but it's not. A fuse is like 13 cents. Yeah, but you got you got you only need one. Well, I guess in that case, it's good that I have extra fuses on hand at all times just in case something goes. Watch out. Watch out, Kenon. He's going to break in your car and still a damn fuse from you. He wouldn't know where they are.

You got to move on from this ridiculous topic, although I am astonished by this whole thing and move on to Felipe who's leaving us next week. Felipe will be completely not just dialing in like I am, but gone gone for a while. Yeah, I'll be gone for like three weeks from this podcast. Wow. I'll miss you all. I'm going to be driving about 2,000 kilometers around Italy.

Not for the first time. I have a history of going to Italy. And visiting a lot of my family still lives there, visiting them driving around. I will do about 2,000 kilometers. This will be 2 milamilias you do in here. 2 milamias and in a Renaulte Cleo or Peugeotot 2.080 or 4 Fiesta or similar.

Wow. Or similar. Yeah, I mean, we don't know. Some subcompact vehicle. BS vehicle. Something that you, whatever Europe car has on hand that day that was returned by somebody who rented it only so he could steal the tires for his own Pujo 208. For a bunch of weird reasons, we're renting this from a small local Hertz branch in a small

town outside of Milan. It's going to be interesting. You go to the airport, you get good ones. This is a Hertz rental and you're at the mercy of whatever they happen to be sitting on at the moment. My only requirement will be that it's a manual transmission car because I feel like in Italy I need to have a manual transmission car. Kenon, here's how Filippo runs a car.

Well, here's how I run a car. They go up. They say, Mr. Demir, for an extra $37 a day, you could be driving around on a Mercedes S class. Oh, yeah. Okay. I don't even think. They say to Filippo, Filippo, sir, for an extra $5 a day, you could have airbags. $5.

Are you crazy? I would never spend that. There was like a 20 or the last time when I booked it, like, a $50 total over the course of three weeks difference to go up up a class. But I don't want that. Mr. Bulgarelli, for an extra three-day euro a day, you could have transparent windows. Right. No, no, it's okay.

I'll stick my head out the window. Williams drive by feel. In the last five years, I've been in Italy, I think, three or four times. And I had a lancha yipsilon, which was horrible, diesel. A Fiat Panda, which is great. My wife and I, my now wife and I, we got engaged in that trip, but we did, I think, 4,000 kilometers in three weeks, which is like more than Italians driving a year, to be honest.

People looked at us like we were insane in a Fiat Panda, which is great. It was lovely. And then we had a head of Vox walking T-Rock because we had to carry more people. But I'm hoping for like a good. A Pigeo 2A has that tiny steering wheel. It'd be kind of cool. He doesn't, he's never heard of any of these cars.

No, I've heard of the 201. I know something. I want something quirky and weird. He's never heard of a Volkswagen T-Roc in his life. He doesn't have any. I couldn't tell you what it looks like, but I've heard of it. I'm living fear that I will get a hybrid automatic one. Or that they will only have like a Fiat Grande Ponto,

which came out 13 years ago and hasn't changed since. You know, if we have this pact where I'm going to live with some discomfort and be more like you, can you reciprocate and try to be a little bit more like me and spend like a little bit more? That's a great idea. That's a great idea. I live with a little bit of comfort instead of all discomfort. This is comfort. I could have gone for the smallest class.

And I did. You guys both stand to get a little bit more. He does this because he wants to. He's like people of a GT3RS. You know, I daily this. I put up with it because I'm hard. He's driving around Italy. We go to a lot of small towns.

Big car is a problem. As Doug learned when he crashed his minivan into things. One thing. One significant thing, but one. You want a small car, you want to fit in, you drive around a subcompact so everybody else does. Yeah, no, you're not wrong entirely, but it would be nice to get a little bit more comfort. Like, I hope you have Bluetooth. No, no, we go.

All these cars at this point, like have carplay or Bluetooth at the very least. They're all legitimate. I will say, Philippe, your point about the manual transmission, the last few times I've gone to Europe. And granted, I don't rent cars in this size class, but I don't, like, that van I had was the shippiest van that exists. They give you automatics now without asking. Like, it's not, and I even said to me, the last time I was there, they even said to me, you can have manual or auto. You want auto, right?

Because they assumed because I'm an American. I was like, I don't care. And they still gave me an auto. I have an Italian sounding name. I speak in Italian to the people. They give me what I asked for. A couple of years ago, I went up to the desk. They know who I am.

And they were going to give me a Ford Fiesta. I was like, no, I want an Italian car. So they gave me a panda. Okay. We got to move on. We've, we've covered this. Philippo, you're going to have to fill us in about what happens. I hope you're not killed.

Thank you. We need to move on now to the market report, market report, market report, brought to you by Cars and Bids. The ultimate online auction website for modern enthusiasts cars. We're sponsoring our own podcast. 1980s and up cars. Sell it on or buy it on cars and bids, the finest marketplace on the planet. You can sell for free.

Get started at Cars and Bits. slash sell dash car there's two market report things i want to talk about one of them is is actually yours filippo go ahead all right i as you all know want a c7 corvette yeah it's so hard to find a manual c7 you know what you had this on our topic list two weeks ago and i was like he's an idiot and so i started looking you're not an idiot no we were all tip why and like i this is true on our site although we have more manuals than most but it's true on other auction sites it's true in the classifieds The reason we have more manuals than most is because they're all zero sixes. If you factor out zero sixes, they are all tips.

And I assume you don't want a zero six. No, but like to automatic, automatic, automatic, to automatic, automatic, automatic. To automatic. Wow, they really like, wait, so we sold 85, right? So how many? It's all that there's, yeah, I mean, let's find out. So of the 85, 54. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, if you factored out zero sixes and just search for regular C,

I bet it's 54 out of like 64 or something like that. It's wild. It's true everywhere. It's true on the Corvette forums. It's true in the classified. Like everybody bought automatics. And I don't understand why. Yeah, because they're all old.

Exactly. So they're only old people. Long time ago, I drove. When it first came out, I drove a press car stick. It was nice. It's a nice trans. You would like it. It's a head clutch.

It's a tight manual. Good, good highway cruiser gear. The auto. also, by the way, for those that are curious, change from a six speed to an eight speed after the first year. But I don't want an automatic one. But that's all you can find. It's all you can find.

Now, luckily, it doesn't seem to be that much like the demand difference for manual ones. Because there's not that different. But you just can't find them. How weird. That is very frustrating. So if you have a manual one, in like a month, hit me up. It was like they were prepping us for the arrival of C8

and just like only through tips at the C-C. But you're right. They're very, very, very hard to find sticks, C-7s that aren't Z-O-6s or ZR-1. I hate, there's a part of me that thinks that instead of being cheap and buying the cheapest like manual C-7, there's a part of me that's starting to consider whether I should get like a late manual Grandsport or even Z-06, even though I don't want a zero-six. I think that they will retain value. Is C-6?

C-7-Z6 or Grantport. Well, you're saying, you're saying actually spend, go out. He's going to spend some real money. I think that they retain the pact. He's going to spend one money on a car. Look at this. It's the last manual.

No, I don't actually want a ZO6, but like a manual grant sport, late one would be cool. And I think that they'll retain value because it's the last manual corvette. And nobody bought them. So I'm starting to ponder it. I don't think it's going to like retain value

like a CTSV wagon, but I have a suspicion it's not going to get killed. And people are going to find the same thing that you're finding, which is you can't find sticks. I think automatic grant sport, will be killed because now C8s are 55. And like, why get an auto C7 when you can get a C8 for the same price?

But if you're really into the front engine thing, I guess. But again, if you have a manual C7, especially if it's 2014, 2015, really cheap, 1L2LT, let me know. Miles, maybe a bad Carfax. Filippo's interest, maybe you lost the roof. And you have to be also local. Yeah, it needs to be within like 10 miles of my house. So if that person exists, Hit up Felipe.

And by the way, if the cars were 33, he'll offer you 26. I will say a very kind person after I reviewed Sean's Cayman, emailed me and said, hey, I have a 987 Cayman that I have not been driving. I live in San Diego. I'd be interested in selling it to you. Which was very nice to them. I said no, because I decided that I didn't want a Cayman. But like people exist.

They were within like five miles of my house. I have to say thank you to people who reached out with Viper recommendations. They were a couple people sent listings. Unfortunately, none in California. They were all on the East Coast, but I very much appreciate it. You're going to do it? You're going to do it? Somebody reached out with a great viper in North Carolina.

You're going to do it or not? I'm still thinking about it right now. I'm more upset about my... Yeah, I just have to do it, I guess. Makes the $13,000 that you're going to spend on your underbody panels that you can't even see. Don't do that. And instead, buy a viper. You're like halfway there after the service.

Yeah. I can't believe that Sam and Nick let you do this. if I had been there, people make the worst decisions when I go away from the summer. He was months ago, though. No, not months ago. It was weeks ago, but still. He was here when I were.

Maybe you weren't here. I don't know where you were. You were somewhere. This is unbelievably frustrating. The other market report topic that I want to discuss before we move on to Q&A is the E82 BMW 1 series. Kenon, please type E82 into the search bar there.

I agree with this already. Thank you. Something hit me the other day. The E82s are absolute deals. and you can get a very nice 135 i with a stick which is basically the best e82 i mean the 1m is obviously really nice but you can get a 135 i with a stick uh for 12 to 17 with decent miles 135 ises which are even cooler are not a significant premium no 15 grand yeah that's a great car i have a suspicion that this car goes down as sort of a modern day e 30 um and in 15 years we'll be

like man when you get one of these for 12 like we like we all talk about how you use to be able to get E30s on Craigslist for three grand, and now you can't. The E82 is such a cool car. It is wonderfully sized. This power train was great, not reliable, but great. It's fun to drive, and sticks are very plentiful. You can get convertibles or coops.

Like, this is a cool car for this money. I really mean that. Yeah, I agree with you. Having driven, I also sound great, handling amazing. They love good. Good aftermarket support to you, if that's what you want to do. But, like, yeah, I think that they're really compelling cars. I think they get kind of overlooked because the styling is a little a little bathtuby is what people describe it.

And the one series looks. Yes. But I think when it's a little BMW with a stick, rear wheel drive and good power. Like, we're going to get past those looks pretty soon. We have for all the other BMWs. I also don't think it looks bad, to be honest. I agree. And I agree.

I actually have always liked the way they look. I think they're really cool. I think it's aged pretty well. You get some flared fender action. You got like a look at that little size. Like this car is going to go down as a. a cool BMW that is a absolute bargain right now considering its level

of performance. I agree. I'm with you. Everybody should buy one. These, Filippo. I hadn't really been thinking about it, and reliability scares me a bit. Kenan-house reliability? You have some issues. Yeah, you've got, because this engine, you have

high-pressure vannos line problems, you have fuel pump issues. They're, I mean, they're not perfect. I think there are aftermarket solutions, generally speaking. And if you don't mod it, like crazy, the engine won't blow up. but how's a convert convert like handling wise fine this is not for you get a v8 you want to

kennet is all in on mine eating a v8 he wants torque you get a v8 this car this motor has great torque though the n54 is a for quirky motor especially for 2011 that was before everybody else figured out turbos and torque it does but he wants a v8 like you should get a v8 and you should get a v10 and we should all cruise down the coast in our manual big all engine cars before the government takes it away from us. This is a good call out, Doug.

People should buy E82s. Also, tip ones that have miles are like eight, which I know they're tip and they have miles, but like this car is a pretty good car, honestly, for the money that it transaction. This manual 128 was 5,300. That was wrong. If you click on it,

but by the way, 128's, if you don't go up to 135, 128's are more reliable and really pretty cheap. Yep. And you can really have fun with the 128.

It's still a pretty good motor and it's much more reliable. Yeah, a lot of miles looks like I had an accident too on the car. I mean, I wouldn't buy one for five, but like, you can get nice. What that car is going to turn into a track car,

which by the way, it's great at that too, because it's a light little platform where you can pull a lot of stuff out of it. Yeah. But a good stick 128 is hovering around 10. And that's a pretty damn good car for that money. That really is.

Man, it's nice like cars to appreciate again. I know. Cars are cheap. Let's buy them. Speaking of that, let's move on to our Q&A. Wait, yeah. Let's do it. We have a Q&A, Q&A, Q&A, sponsored by Kenan and his M5.

No, there's no money left to sponsor. He doesn't have money to sponsor him. We got to sponsor Kenan's M5. We could put Cars and Bids logos all over it. Remember for our Q&A, go to cars and bins. Click on the Communities tab. at the top. We will have a post there that asks for your questions for next week's pod, and we will answer the top uploaded questions, even if they are bad. We'll answer them.

I've taken the top uploaded questions. And the first question is bizarre, but I answer, I'm answering it because it's the top uploaded question. From Sherbert Zip, that's Felipe's alter ego. Go, you have to choose one. Go to a dealer and buy a BZ4X or, and it doesn't matter what the second one is. We'll take the second one. But it's or lose the opportunity to review the Italian design Columbus. It would be very sad if I couldn't review the Italian design Columbus, but there is literally nothing on this earth that could make me buy a BZ4X, even if they were free and contained a genie with three wishes. What if it had four wishes? Could I use one of my wishes to return the BZ4X and never see it again? That's a good question. And by the way, I apologize.

I'm not referring it to it properly. The lowercase B, uppercase Z, number four, uppercase X. How confident are you that that is the correct capitalization? Completely confident. That's the only way I refer to the car in my personal life. I just call it the Super Salterra. All right. Subaru Salterra.

Okay, next question from, oh, yes, yes. This is a great question, and I will answer it while you two think, because I've already thought about it. What is the most beautiful, normal pedestrian car, specifically focusing on things that non-car people drive? Like, what is a very beautiful car that is just a regular car? And we've probably internalized it, but a very beautiful, just sort of normalized. Current production?

Like recent. Oh, what you have, whatever you need, Kenan. But my immediate answer was the last gen Volvo S-60. Yeah? Yeah, that's a really good. Like, in like one of the good colors, a reasonable trim. Yeah, that's a good.

I guess it's two ago because that's 60 Gen as that did, but you get the point. That's a good one. I always thought that when the Ford Fusion one, they went to the Aston Martin looking girl, I thought it was a really beautiful guy. I totally agree. I'm going to blow your mind with a left field one. Pull up a picture of a 2002 Mitsubishi Gallant. Yeah, that's a great looking car.

You're right. 100%. Now, if we didn't know that this car was utter and complete trash, which it was even in 2000, That's a great looking car, though. Would we not think that this is a pretty nice looking sedan? Yeah, I'd mean like look at that press. That looks bad, but the press photo. Give me alloys.

Give me alloys. That was a nice looking car. It really was. That may have been a some sort of jujaro situation. The correct answer to the question, though, is, of course, the Pujo 406 coupe, which actually someone responded in the comments of this question, and that is the correct answer. The 406 coupe is one of the most beautiful, like, cars that are regular person.

could buy that I don't agree with that you're wrong you said 40s yeah 4a6 that's that's too is probably the most beautiful like car that a regular human can purchase yeah magnetcent simple lines just an incredibly good looking car also didn't we learn that it could become a bar 360 yeah not necessarily an upgrade over the styling i guess i'm trying to know it would be a downgrade that's so true That is such a good point. You take your car from beauty to frog, from Prince to Frog.

What's the best looking at SUV? Oh, that's a, I mean, that's a good XJ Cherokee. A late XJ Cherokee country or classic is probably the answer. Yeah, maybe. That's fair. I'll accept. P-38, if it wasn't trash. Redger or classic or P-38 looks wise.

Rans. Although the question does specifically say, like a normal- Normal. Those aren't. Yeah. Busiest territory at those kinds of cars. But an excellent Cherokee is a nice looking car.

GMT for, sorry, GMT 800. Yeah. Yeah. What, 95. 95 to 901 Tahoe is a really 400. Yeah. I think the aviators are very good looking. The aviators are a great looking at all.

Yes, it is. The current one. Yeah, the current one to be clear. Yeah. We're not, we're not talking about the mid-2000s aviator. That's for sure. No, definitely. Okay.

This is a great question. This is the best question we've ever been asked. from Amantron. Q for all, what is the worst ever and best ever car from Ferrari, Porsche, or Lambo? Let's go brand by brand. Worst Ferrari. Quickly, Kenan, what is it? Mondial 8.

That's pretty easy. Yeah, Mondial 8. Palipo, do you know any Ferrari? Is there? Yeah, no, verbal. We'll skip me for this one. I think Mondial 8 is probably the answer. There are some that give it a run, but I think it's Mondial 8.

Okay, worst Porsche. 914. I don't know. The force another one. I mean, there were tip 9-4s. What about the, what about a bathtub? What about we just do it? What about we just say three?

I don't want to save the, I mean, the 356 is slow, expensive. Ugly. Yeah. I'm not a big 356 fan. I think they're charming, but it's a jelly bean. But I don't know. I still think the 914 is probably. The 914 is getting a lot of love these days.

It's like a lightweight toss-it-around kind of thing. Yeah, but that's a, all Volkswagen parts and I just, I don't know, I just have it stuck in my head that they've always been turbo lately. Yeah. I think that it's, dude, I'm just going to say 356. I don't even care about the blowback. It's an ugly bathtub looking thing and you're around people who are incredibly particular

and annoying. Hey, Sean, you got your title for the episode, by the way. Doug hates the 356. Well, I don't think that's going to be very controversial among our audience. Okay, worst Lambo. The Rocco probably. Yeah. Yelpa maybe.

Yeah, it's one of the entry level 70s, 80s cars, for sure. I think it's probably the Yoraco because it's kind of ponderous. I mean, it's the market certainly thinks it's the Yoraka. You know what's pretty bad, too, is the Yerama. Although I think they're hilarious, but that's not necessarily a good thing. I also think so is the Yoraka personally. But like, I mean, if you're going to pick the worst, I mean, that kind of has, I mean, that traditionally feels like the one.

Wait, wait, what about an Eurus? What about just the straight Euris? What if we just say Euris? Oh, because it's, well, I don't know. ERIS is like a legitimately pretty good car. Okay, what if, but it's not, it's not a line. Okay, what about best? Best Ferrari ever.

F-50. Yeah, I think I think I wouldn't say anything but F-50. Yeah, I don't, by the way, F-40 is probably the one I would most strive for. But F-50s are more than, or about double the price. And the F-40s might be, is the most iconic with that. question, but the F50 gives you six-speed V12 and a convertible, Formula One-1-driven engine. Formula One-Rans, rarer. It's better to drive, much better to drive, et cetera. Yeah.

Yeah. Uglier. Uglier. Best Porsche Porsche GT, obviously. That's a, it's a, I mean, I know it has to come up with my M5 and the Korea GT have to come up with every podcast, but that is probably the best Porsche. It just is. It just is certainly 918, the answer. best Lambo ever

Kuntosh It probably is Because the Lamborghinis Yes they have a lot of performance They are all about style That's the big differentiator from Ferrari's Obviously it's about beauty and all And like refinement and all

And Lambos are just like Give me doors and go up It's like they just want like crude Find the style of I mean supercars for maybe ever And it still defines their own styling now. I mean, they're still doing the same thing that that

car said, because the mirror before it wasn't like that. That car came out. They still do that. Right. I'm talking about the original Kuntosh, one of the 10 variants that exists of it. You prefer the original. I mean, I don't know. I think a downdraft or an original or any round belly in my mind. If I had to pick, probably, yeah,

acute, yeah, I would agree with that. If you had to pick one of the, one of the cars, a round belly is probably the one. Some sort of round belly. Some of the original or a downdraft or mine or any any or or a low body low body 400 philippa knows all the all the different i do that's a sad part here that's probably the best that's a great question though don't you think yeah it's a very good question would take all of them except for the mondial eight the mondial eight is

you wouldn't take a mondial eight i would take any of the lambos that we talked about i think iraqa would be fun to have yeah mondial like the the the tea that we drove was a lot of fun but the eight has like legitimately no power yeah the tea i wouldn't even put in the lowest tier of, like, worst Ferrari. It was actually a pretty good car. Like, there's, I would start getting into non-Mondials long before I got to put the tea near the worst. Yeah, I agree with that.

But the eight is. It's tough. It was a tough time. Yes, as Doug is making a face with his tongue sticking out, that is the Mondial eight. Okay, next question. This is another good one from Goats on Boats. It's the year 2005 and you have to drive from New York to L.A. What would each of you choose as a comfortable and suitable car for a cross-eastern,

country drive in 05. The CL 65 was in production of 05, wasn't it? No, it's no 6. But the S65 was. No, no, that whole 65 range came out in 06. I'm not going to let you have it. Dang. You can Google all you want and look confused all you want, but I'm right.

Bentley, it came out just for the record in 04 and other markets, and I would have brought it into the U.S. Thank you very much. You're driving from New York to L.A., pal. All you got is what's on the 10th. Table in 05. What would you choose? Continental GT is a great choice.

That is a, I was going to say A8W12. I don't know why because it's the same power train and the Bentley didn't hit me, but yes, Cottonel GT is the answer or flying spur, which maybe comes to the sixth. I don't disagree with any better. Nope. But the Ethernet and 5, two years old would have not been bad. No way. No way.

With a stick. And that, I can get that Bentley, put my foot down and be through Iowa. You're in the country. You're in fifth the entire six. There's six years. There's six years. There's six entire time. No way.

Six gears. No way. That Bentley puts me through Iowa in an afternoon. Yeah, I mean. I'm looking for... It was not that big a state. That's like an accepted fact. Yeah, oh, fine.

Yeah, I mean, 575 was still in production. I didn't touch a sports car. Yeah. I just... It is comfortable. No, you want more comfort. It's what it's built, literally what it is built to do. You want more comfort.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying I realize that car was around at the time. Damn, no, I wish I could go back to O'Four. and do this trip in a flying spur. And Alex Roy set the cross-country record. I think it was six in his M-5. It was about that time. Yeah, it's not that question to require it.

It would inspire some more debate, but it didn't. Okay, we have specifically two more questions, and we're going to be quick about them. Next question from in the can. Hey, Doug, slash, Canon, rank your top five BMW sedans of all time, and how do you guys rate the M-Coup? I don't, not going to sit here and rank the top five, but I think let's talk about what would be near our top.

Well, he'd call out M-6-CronCoupé, which... That's one of them. One of them. Honestly, they made it with a manual, too. They're super rare, but they did make the car the manual, which is conversion. Yeah, he doesn't believe this even though that we've sold one on cars and viz. Yeah. No, the M6 Grand Cooper is up there. It is the most beautiful modern BMW and it's a sedan and it's a sedan and it's a stake and it's an M car, et cetera.

Obviously, Kennan's car is, in my opinion, the best. Yeah. I think E306M3 would be up there. Yep. A nice M3, four, five. I loved those. Zero. Um, what else, Kenan?

I mean, I think the F10M5 is, I was going to say F10M5. Did you say E38? Yeah, I said E38. Um, yeah, F10M5, yeah. E38, I agree with. Yeah. That's it. That's kind of about it.

A regular old E30 sedan, just a regular 325 I deserves to be on the list. That's probably mobile. If the E60 were reliable, it should be on the list, that would be the coolest, that would be the best Ford or BMW of the mall will be the E60. I'm actually kind of into the current. M3 now. Uh-huh, it's growing. Yeah, current M3 would be in my top 10 for sure. I don't know if it would break the top 5, but it would be up there.

Current M3, non-comp with a stick. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. So it's E-39M, not in particular, or E-339, maybe E-39M-5 at the top, maybe V-38 after that, I guess. E-36M3, Grand Coup and the new M3, yeah, all of those. I mean, I have 10M-M-5, that's about what I have. And I got to be honest, my list doesn't, get a lot deeper than that.

Like, I don't, it's not like I have a 20 list and I had to narrow it down. It's like they're all up here and then it drops off relatively fast. Yeah. In my mind. And then eventually you end up at the E65. Right. That's probably, that's a, oh no, eventually. You get to the bottom of the three.

Way down. That is probably my very lowest. Yeah. E32 isn't exactly a dream car. Okay. Last question, and this goes back to our slide show. Can I pull up the slide? Question from Scuderia Farici, Fararii.

Hey, Doug, did you know there's an. an Aspark Owl Roundabout. It's about, I live about one kilometer from the factory, but no one has ever seen a running or functioning car. The one on the roundabout is a plastic one-two-scale model. And he sent this picture from Google Maps, Google Earth, Google Street View. There it is. Wow.

There's a real Aspark Owl out in the wild, except it's a fake one. It's a toy on a roundabout. But, Kenan, you have doubted this car for too long. Well, I really haven't. Boy, am I proved wrong here. Prennan, eat your words, or perhaps eat that aspark owl, which may be edible since it is not a car. Right. Is it looking for mice, do you think, to get, because it's an owl?

Is it just waiting there for night so it can fly away from its nest? Maybe that's what it does at night. It flies away and it eats rodents around the countryside. Who do you think they had to convince to let them put it in the middle of the roundabout? Or do you think they just did it one day? I think they just did it because, A, I mean, it's a middle of a roundabout. Who cares? And B, like, you know, it's too weird to.

I mean, I don't know. Maybe they thought it was a car that broke down. I think they went to the town council and they said, we'd like to put our Aspark owl in the middle. And they said, what? What? Asked, they said, Aspark. We make cars.

We want to put an owl in the roundabout. And who are you again? Right. We're over down on Smith Road. We have Aspark. Owl? You want to put an owl in a roundabout? Isn't he going to fly away?

I think that's probably how it went. And so they just did it. Don't forget. They also made some racist Japanese. in there, but... This is in Japan, isn't it? No, this photo is, it's in Italy. They make the Aspercal in Italy?

This whole time I was convinced, I was told it was Japanese. It is a Japanese company, but they produced it in Italy. Get it right. The company is Japanese and they're building the cars in Italy? Yeah.

No wonder they haven't made any cars yet. It is, it is built by Manifaturato de Moblee, Torino. It's a, they build it in Turin. Yeah, but in, Incredibly, that's not where this picture is. So. I don't build it anywhere.

This roundabout could be anywhere in the world. The car doesn't get, it's car's not in production. Anywhere it can be the Asperk Owl factory. It might as well be here. Apparently that same factory, by the way, makes the new stratoes, the new launch of Stratos.

I've seen those. That's a real car, unlike the Aspark Owl, which is a figment of imagination, except in this roundabout, unfortunately, it is a one-half-scale model, which means that we can't drive it.

Also because it doesn't exist. I'm so confused by why it's in this roundabout. Because based on this, it's in a brute zone, which is a very different region than when it's actually built out of turn. So it's just a random roundup. Just for you. Take your little Volkswagen Lupo 1.1 diesel three cylinder when you're in Italy and drive to this roundabout and see the Asparc owl in person.

I would implore you. Absolutely love to do that. But first, I'm going to find the roundabout where this happens. See if it's still there. Okay. That's the end of our podcast. Today, Felipe was to spend the rest of his day on this topic. Kenan, thanks for playing, and please never in your entire life spend $13,000 on your car again.

And commenters, please tell Kenan that I'm right. Yeah, I will do my best to avoid doing that again. And Kenan, hey man, by the way, good luck in your league bowling match tonight. Good night, everybody. Thank you, Philippa.