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Episode Date: December 20, 2024

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And welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Fleebo. And let's get into it. The news, starting with Gene Jennings. Gene Jennings passed away a couple days ago. Gene Jennings had enormous roles at auto magazines throughout the 1980s, 90s, and specifically at automobile magazine where she was the editor-in-chief for many years.

And she was like a legend in the automotive journalism space. And so everybody's kind of paying tribute to her. I have a Gene Jennings story that I would like to share. I, Gene Jennings is responsible for a lot of the beginnings of my illustrious career. In 2009, I car spotted. That was like my thing. 2009 and 2024. To this day.

But I sent a letter to automobile magazine in 2009 telling them, hey, I do this car spotting thing. Maybe this is something you want to write an article about. And I only sent it to automobile because Gene Jennings had the foresight of making automobile more of a lifestyle mag than like an instrumented test. specific things magazine, which obviously now they're all going in that direction. And she called me.

I was 21, and she called me. And I still remember, for some reason I was in New York City and she was in Central Park and I was the winter and I got her call and she was like, yeah, well, this sounds fun and we'll send a writer and a photographer to cover it and we'll do an article about it.

And I was like, oh my God, I'm going to be an automobile, but it was a cool thing in the world. I mean, the magazines are not as big of a deal now, but they really were. I mean, that was the cool, for a 21-year-old kid who grew up reading every car magazine,

the coolest thing in the world. And I'm talking to Gene Jennings, right? So they did. And I was featured in the July 2009 issue of automobile magazine for car spotting. And in fact, it was the cover. It was one of the cover stores. Wow.

And I have like 50 copies of it still. And there's pictures of me in the magazine and like, you know, driving around Atlanta, taking pictures of Lamborghinis. So that magazine was purchased by a guy who then later kind of became my mentor and started me off

in car journal. and I kind of can trace all that back to that article. Years later, I bumped into Gene Janney's the Detroit Auto Show. And I said to her, hey, I don't know if you remember me, but this was the, and I told her the story. And she didn't remember. It was years before. But she was like, oh, I'm so glad we did that. And that's so wonderful.

And she was very nice to me. And so I only met her twice, but she had a huge direct relationship on, you know, where I am today in the beginnings of my career. That's such a cool butterfly effect story. That's really neat. Right. Right. Right. It's like minor interactions, but like a pretty big actual.

Here we are. Yeah, here we are. How cool. Gene Jennings. Thank you, Gene Jens. I think in a lot of ways for a lot of people of our generation. She created the like car journalist role that I think we all at some point growing up wanted to be. We want to be that because of Gene Jinn Junk.

And she was insane. And one of the cool, I mean, in a great way, because automobile magazine used to do these cool tests. I'll never forget when she did coast to coast in a Bugatti Veyrath. That was the front cover of the magazine. Well, the coast turned out to be the east coast of Florida, and she did it with Hurley Haywood, I think, if I remember, I can't, this is years ago. But they would do weird things like that.

And as a result, you know, of the four magazines, Rodent Track, Car, Driver, Motor Trend, and then Automobile, I always preferred automobile. I thought they just had the coolest content, the coolest, like lifestyle, weird storytelling kind of stuff. And they employed Ezra Dyer for a while. and the greatest writers. And I just thought it was the best.

And she's hugely responsible for that. But personally also responsible for real success in my life. Gene Jennings. I love it. That's what a great story. It is. It's an interesting story. I think about it a lot.

Indeed. Next new story today, Career GT. Also something you think a lot about. Lap time. Think about it all the time. In fact, I sent my career GT is still at my dealership getting serviced. And I sent them like this angry text. Like, get me the car back.

And I think it came from because I watched the lap time. It's like, I want to drive this thing. I got a lap on my own to sit. Curruget Laptime. So here's the deal. Porsche developed a new tire for the career GT. We're getting the car. The career GTs are all being recalled right now for suspension componentary.

And Porsche is putting on new tires because tires have kind of always been one of the stories of this car. Tires are aging out. The car is dangerous with the old tires. So, they say. So Porsche is giving everybody new tires. Now, Porsche has specifically developed a new tire for the career GT, a new type of Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tire. And the car with the new tires went around Nureberg ring and did 712, 6, 6900. thousandths, millionths. Nobody knows or cares. The result of this, the car, now this is just a

tire change. Yep. Sport Auto did this test, which is a German publication. They beat their previous time with the original tires set back when the car was new by 20 seconds, just with tires. And, and this is the, in my opinion, the really important one, is faster than the factory 918 lap time around Irving Rang. How much faster is it than the factory career at UT lap time? Porsche, I don't think, did one, but all of the career GT lap times were between 18 and 20 seconds slower than what the current 16 and 20 seconds slow. So just tires. Now, I have also upgraded my suspension and the general feeling in the career GT community is that you have to upgrade your suspension. Everyone who drives the car has done it.

And if they upgraded the suspension, I can't imagine how many more seconds it would pull off. You start to wonder if it would be around that seven minute mark, which is where some really serious cars are. But regardless, it's faster than 918 spikes. or proving something we've all already known, it's better than 9-18.18. But this opens, in my opinion, the more interesting, I mean, it's a very interesting thing for you specifically since you own one. But I think it opens the door for more tests of older cars with modern rubber

because tire technology has changed a lot since, I mean, even in the last 20 years. So I agree. I am kind of curious. I would argue that because this car had these specially developed, nobody, there is modern rubbers available for old cars. But Porsche developed this tire and is now mandating that people put the tire on the car. I would argue two things. Number one, this is how fast the car is around Nurembergink, because that's the factory tire and the factory.

Providing it to every owner. And number two, okay, I'll see what a Ferrari F50 does on a modern rubber, but that's not a, like we can do all sorts of modifications. But this is a factory thing. I don't really think that tires are a mod necessarily. I don't consider that. You want slicks? You want to start throwing slicks on cars and go around Nureberg ring?

Then you got yourself a problem. Slicks do become different. That's a different story. Like somebody that owns a career to do. Yeah, wants it to stay. And, you know,

maybe they refresh the tires of the 918 and give it specific tires. Maybe they should. They won't, I bet, because that's automatic hybrid stuff. And this is real shit. Are we talking about this on the podcast because you will sell it as soon as you get it back from service?

Now that there's more hype. I can't wait to drive it again, especially on the new tires. What time do you think you could do? I remember a person? Yeah, you first. This was a Porsche test driver, by the way, who did this at 71269. It's an amazing lap to watch, by the way, if you haven't gone and seen it.

I think I could do, what do you, 714? I think I would do 10 minutes. I watched the lap. I watched the lap the whole thing. How many times? Two things really hit me about this lap. Yeah. Number one, he is always either full throttle or full brakes without exception.

That is how you drive or all of all. Yeah. It's easier said than done when you're driving a somebody else's million dollar car. He is always full throttle or fro brakes without exception. Very interesting to watch. He just had no fear. Right. Well, that's the thing about race car drivers.

They don't. That's why they get paid the big bucks to do it. If they stuff it, they stuff it. Like, we're going to do this. Yep. Yep. Commitment. And that hit me watching the lap.

And also, it's kind of funny because, like, this is just for sport, you know? Like, it's not, it's not, there's no professional aspect, but he just went for it. It was also very interesting. If you watch the lap, about 6.55 into the lap, it's a 712 lap, he almost loses it. And that is interesting to me because Nureberg ring is incredibly long. If you want to drive and set a real time, you got to be chill with the fact that at 6.55, after all the work you've done, you might lose it. And you have to drive in a way that that might be possible.

Like you can't be like, oh, I've done six and a half amazing minutes. So I'm just going to chill the last minute, which is what you'd want to do mentally. You got to take every minute of this track as like real. And I'm watching it like, I can't believe. He hits 180 miles an hour, 300 kilometers, and on the slowdown from that, he almost loses it as he's downshifting. The car gets, I mean, I'm sure he was in control,

but I would have lost. And you can tell he's, clearly the car is moving around a little. Yeah. The dancing. Over seven minutes of pure concentration. Pure concentration. In a normal shorter track,

you're seven minutes, you're repeating a lap of many, many times. Here you're something new. Yeah. For a full seven minutes. Yeah. And I have to say, like, it's hard.

Having watched it, also, like, his, like, his shift points are so perfect. It's like he knew. It's like he had a list, his mind just remembered exactly what number gear he had to be. And it was just amazing. That's what, remember, this is without rev matching. This is without PDK. This is real driving. This adds another element to what a 918 spider drive would be where you can probably leave in an automatic.

They probably shift, but even then, as opposed to. Actually moving your leg. I mean, it's real. I know. No, it's very impressive. That's, that's real race car. It's real racecraft. It really is.

It really is. It really is. You're racing the clock. You're racing the clock, but it really was a masterclass in how you have to do this. It's been a while since I've watched a full Nürberg ring lap in car. It is quite something. Well, I think you have the perspective of having driven one and you own one. And it's like you can imagine more of what it's like than watching a Pagani, whatever, go around the track.

Nonetheless, like, it's, I'm sitting there like, wow, this is what a professional. This is the difference between me and a professional, and it ain't a small difference. Like, it is real. And I drive my car hard. and I can do great down shifts. It's taken a long time to figure it out. But not like that. He's on a lot.

And I can't. He's driving the car so hard. It's almost like he's had years of experience in it. But you presume he hasn't. He probably just showed up and did a couple of laps. That's the thing. That's why they're professionals. This is 15 seconds slower than the Mustang GCD we were talking about a week or two ago.

It's why. Which is the fastest American car ever, ever than Nerve-Ring and is meant for that purpose. By the way, this is 20 years old. Should point out also, this is the second fastest manual transmission car ever to behind one in the Nureberg ring, ACR Viper. Ah. Which, remember, had tire failure on the third lap, but they had to bail. But hey, man.

No tire failure here. Imagine how scary that is to do. If this car, which is designed for this purpose, like, the Viper is a sports car. But, like, you know, it's a hand. It's probably a bigger handful. That would be an interesting lap to watch on the inside. It shows how impressive. It could find.

Just amazing. Amazing all around. Amazing that they did it. And I truly wonder, with good suspension. At that point, obviously, you're going away from my whole claim about its manufacturer, provided tires, but I do wonder where it could go. But then you start wondering, okay, well, we could have 50 go, where can McLearn F1 go,

where could have 40 go, if you were willing to change out some wearables like suspension. To be honest with you, a lot of cars. Yes, a huge list. Even beyond the supercars, like, what does any 46M3 do with cup twos on it? It makes you wonder, though, it kind of neutralizes some of all these great, like, oh, 19th spider is so much faster.

Well, well, only because there's some modernized stuff that actually you could fix pretty easily. And then it's like, okay, well, if they're the same fast, wouldn't you rather have the one with the V10 on the manual. Yes. You know which car is not faster? The Kuntash.

Yeah. There's not much fixing that. What if anybody's ever done a time of Kuntash lap? Oh, man. If it made it, which is a big, and they didn't like, seven minutes of like hard driving.

Of caning a contosh? I mean, well, seven minutes to be generous. It's going to be like eight and a half. Yeah, exactly. All right. Give us the next.

That's the best news story of the week, the month of year. Give us the next news story. All right. I'm sure you want to talk about it. There have been a lot of reports that they are talking about a merger. Or other partnership. They're kind of vague about this.

They haven't really started the talks. They should apparently be entering into a memorandum of understanding this week, next week, to really begin the merger talks. Crazy. We talked a while ago about how Nissan had per some reports a year or so of being around before they go bankrupt. Yeah. This is their solution, hopefully for them. It would create the third largest manufacturer behind Volkswagen Group and Toyota Group. It would also include Mitsubishi because Nissan owns like 25 for 20.

4% Mississippi. It's interesting. It's kind of inevitable. There's got to be some consolidation. There's a lot of manufacturers. There's a lot of pressure from Tesla and other startup brands and Chinese brands, certainly, that have seemingly unlimited development capital. And protectionist. Protection is. So you got to, it's not that surprising that they will consolidate. As FCA did, by the way, as it looks like in group. We were talking last week about how there's too many brands. We're trying to figure out for a Mayo and Maserati go. Here's a good example of if some of these companies want to survive. It's not just brands. It's, it's mainly. If some of these companies want to survive, this kind of stuff's going to be inevitable. I noticed Nissan stock prices up 23% yesterday. Honda's is down 5%. Tells it a lot.

That's not viewed as a lot. That's exactly what I think. What does Honda have the game? Scale. I mean, I just pure scale. Yeah. I think it's interesting that Nissan is going down this road after the Renault thing, which they did and then fought so hard against and tried to get out of it and then did successfully

get out of it. Now they're heading back in. Well, clearly. Right. They just don't have a choice. but to find somewhere to be acquired, sell a lot of their... You would have to assume

this would be tremendously advantageous for Honda financially or otherwise they wouldn't consider it. They're probably in much better shape. I'd be a little surprised if these merger talks end up in anything. Oh, I don't know. If they're announcing it or leaking it,

but it's become very widespread as the front page of the Law Street, generally actually. Yeah, pretty strategic. Then you got to assume that they're more... I'd be a little surprised. I mean, Honda very much wants,

and has already been partnered with Nissan on EV technology, because Honda has very little drowned. That's probably their hope from some of that scale. Certainly the hope for some of that, but it is interesting to see how far some of these legacy automakers are finding themselves behind in EVs. Toyota claims they've done it intentionally,

but China has very quickly, within three years, gone from like, they are buying Western cars, they're buying, you know, gas-powered cars to like all EVs, all Chinese. And they have the benefit of the protectionist Chinese government. These guys, if you lose the Chinese market, and they have and will have. 100%. You're in a really tough shape. You've got to figure out something else. And it's not just a Chinese market. Here in the U.S., we don't see Chinese cars, except for Chinese

Volvos. But outside of that, you do. We were looking at Mexican market cars that were in San Diego yesterday, and there were a lot of Chinese cars. Every other market outside of the U.S., the Chinese these guys have infiltrated, and they're scared. Especially because the Chinese government is providing them with enormous incentives and benefits to be successful. And these old guys, not only are they not getting that, but they're behind in their technology, it's an interesting scenario. Merger's not easy. Merger's not easy. Take forever. In fact, I sit here and wonder, what do you do? Is it really

beneficial to get a larger, less dynamic company? Like, hasn't Tesla's success been largely predicated on the fact that they're like sveled and quick and can make quick changes and do stuff? And here we want to combine these two giant dinosaur company. Yeah. Like, what do you do? Do you keep the Nissan brand and then infinity brand and then the Dotson subbrand and then Mitsubishi

because that exists in other markets. What do you do with that merger? I think you want to do a lot of technology sharing, kind of like Stalantis has done, but not very successful in development. I mean, it's got to be all EVs. It's got to be just focused all on EVs. That'll be interesting to see.

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Lamborghini has announced, unsurprisingly, that they are pushing back their EV production until 2009. Now, they debuted a car of their, their EV concept that's supposed to come out in 2020.

However, they're like, yeah, maybe not. What do you think I'll actually come out? This is, when I think Lamborghini, this is precisely what I think,

something that's spit in flames and looks nuts. Spitting flames in a tunnel. An EV is just antithetical to everything they stand for. They want noise and passion and you want it to have machine guns that come out of the hood.

You can do it in an EV and then you can sell a fire. I got to tell you. Not exciting. I'm supportive of EVs. This new story, I'm just like, hell he. Hell yeah. Blammergyz is like, yope. You know, I was ready to kind of start figuring out how to make the transition and all that.

All these companies were doing it. They're all pushing back and I think that's probably for the better for the consumer. And by the way, I'm referring specifically to high performance sports car, exotic. Yes. I think that I'm driving this McConae v right now. That car is great and it's better than the gas one. And for how most people use it, they should get an electric one. Right.

Totally. That. When I want a sports car, I want an experience and an engine is important to that. And so it's not a surprise that they're doing this, but it is notable. I mean, that's a big sports car manufacturer, an important sports car manufacturer that continues to grow an important thing. No. These companies have to be looking at the pin and Frina-Batista and the Rim McNavara, which have not been selling. and which have been getting slaughtered on the used market.

Plus, they have to be looking at cars like the SF90, where they're getting slaughtered on the used market, whereas 458 speciales are double. They've got to be looking at that and saying, okay, these, it's not just a couple of enthusiasts. The market is speaking. Definitely. And, you know, Mante Remounts said that himself.

Like, people just don't want the electric stuff for their sports cars. If you're going to spend that kind of money to have an experience. But I agree. Daily stuff, EV's, no problem. No problem. Whatever. Who cares? Traffic is traffic. Traffic is traffic.

Right. Like, we'd rather plug it in because then it doesn't emit and it doesn't cost money. But like this. Do you think that once they eventually go EV, the exhaust manufacturer, like, Gantani and FI will make just like a flamethrowers for the back? There won't be exhaust. They got to do something. I got to be honest with you.

The pushbacks on timeline make me wonder when they will go EV. Like, we're talking 20. nine now. Okay, that's five years. I'm only thinking about this from a self-interested perspective. Okay, I'll be 41, 42. I mean, can we make this last until I'm out of the situation? You know what I mean? You just got to get another 50, 60 years in their total and you're good. I'm good, right? Yeah, it's not unlikely.

Yeah, you do wonder what the exhaust manufacturers will do, but you also wonder if they'll ever have to face it. I'd be shocked. I sincerely mean that. For sports, yeah, I think we'll see. This will be an interesting thing to think back on 20 years from now. But I am curious. Yeah, 20 years from now, it'll be settled. And it'll be like, I wonder, and I'm curious. We'll know the direction.

That's what's so exciting about right now, because they don't really know which direction it's going to go. So, I don't know. We'll see. But me, I'm hoping that V12 that spit flames stay around. Now, the Temerrorari, you're John Tamarian. The John Tamarian. Is that, that's a plug-in hybrid?

Yes. VA. I believe that's right. Yes, VA. Okay. I mean, it's not as bad as, it's not a V-10, like it's a thyroid. A hybrid is all that really matters. All that really matters, I agree.

I think that all that really matters with us is that you have the sound in some capacity and you have that excitement. I agree generally, although we have SF90 values kind of are showing me at least that there is less of an interest in on the used market. There's less of an interest in the plug-in stuff. Meanwhile, the big engine cars still seem to be doing okay. What's doing okay? The 29-6 is doing. That's true. And Revoto is doing tremendously well, which I assume is hybrid in some companies.

Forever. I can't believe the number they've delivered. But I do think that. in big money. I think the Ferrari, the SF 90 was a big concern because Ferrari really shot themselves in the foot with how they did not support the law Ferrari. At our own Ferrari doing in San Diego, there were three of them in for service. I suspect

all for $300,000 batteries that Ferrari doesn't support. P1, there's battery. P1, yeah. I don't know how much I'm allowed to disclose, but maybe Philippa could take it from here. Yeah, I really have carefully watched the P1. You had an Aster Martin Valcari reviewed that came out

this week. You had a great line in that about how much more of an experience it is than the pinna for a Batisa that you drove up a few weeks ago. Yeah. It's notable. Yeah. It's an experience even just watching it. It's like I would have that review.

It's just like yeah, especially all the camera of hypeways. I was astonished at the response to that video. People were really into it. And I think that is sort of gives you eyesight into how people feel about crazy gas powered hyper supercar type things in general. Like they still, that's still what gets emotion going for people. I would rather have said many times. I'd rather have a slow car. that makes me feel like I'm going fast and an actually fast.

I think about 993s all the time. It's just the feel of it is great. And Porsche is like, well, GDK. That's why Kenna wants the Viper. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Viper's a feel car.

All right, give us the next news story. I'm so happy for Lamborghini and the rest of the world. Ah, yes. So Ferrari has announced that they are going to be the engine supplier for the Cadillac Formula One team in 2020. Now, the interesting thing about that announcement is that Cadillac has not been approved by the FIA to compete in Formula One in 2000. 26, yeah. Not yet.

They're still in the process. They bought the team. What does that mean? You have to go through it. It's a very arduous process to go through approval from the FAA to make sure you have the facilities to produce such a car that can do a whole bunch of other stuff and it gets very political, as you can imagine. Can I ask a lot of questions? My assumption, okay, I see that, I don't know anything about Formula One. I see the car, okay, on the street on the track.

They call it a track. Well, some are track, summer street circuits, but we'll move on. The car says Aston Martin. My assumption is that Aspen Martin makes the body, the engine, the steering wheel. Not always. So there are a number of manufacturers, Ferrari and Mercedes-Benz, come to mind immediately, that supply engines to other teams. So you can buy an engine and a gearbox, which is what Ferrari says they're going to supply,

from another manufacturer and put it in your own car. Is it not antithetical to the whole? Like, Cadillac is going to compete, like, carrying the torch for America in Formula One, except the entire power train. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I want Cadillac to have a Cadillac. I want a Blackwing V8 and I don't know what the rules are. Well, that won't happen, but as much as I wish that would happen, that will not.

So what? Like, I don't understand. What? Cadillac wants to be in the F-1 so badly that they are going to have an engine built by another manufacturer. I mean, Red Bulls used a number of engines. Well, Red Bull doesn't make parts. They then bought Honda's engines and built them in the house. I mean, this has happened with a lot of manufacturers.

I know, but it's annoying to me. I wanted Cadillac to be ground up. I wanted Mario Andretti and they're wrenching on the engine. engines himself. I wanted Bob Lutz or his ghost, I'm not sure, to be building engines in Detroit. The reality of that is that it is incredibly expensive. And Jim has come out and said they will make a Formula One engine. They will get there. But to get off the ground and get things moving, Ferrari has agreed to be this. Why not just wait to launch so you've done it? You know what this is? Because if they want to get in the sport, now is the time to capitalize. It's very popular in America

to be in Formula One. This is an American, a real American manufacturer. We had Haas F1, which ties to Gene Haas who does a lot of racing in America. But this is a real, this is GM. Do you think that GM and Mary Bar are worried that Cadillac will have closed as a brand by the time they actually started developing their own? Calac's real. Cadillac's real. They got the XT6 and the Vistick. It's Vistique, I think.

Okay, so they're going to go racing. Cadets, when is this going to happen? 26. The same 20206, yeah. And Ferrari's made it very clear that it is contingent on catalog being approved to be in the sport. But yeah, 2026 is when we should. I would see that on the grid. This is the Honda prologue of Formula One.

It is. They know they're going to do better things later, but they're just getting started. Hey, man, you got to start somewhere. You got to start somewhere. And if the car looks like that, I'm super into it. Who's going to sponsor this thing? Can I? If you have enough money to do it, I suppose you could.

It costs to have like a decal on like right there. You know, well, in highly visible spots on television, a ton, but there are spots on a one car that are a lot less expensive than you might think. Yeah. But nonetheless. What can I get for eight grand? something. Really small.

It would be great to have like a tiny you or tiny noodle. I have decided that if not a Formula One fan, never been a Formula One fan, have decided that I am going to cheer on Cadillac in Formula One. I'm going to cheer on the American brand. If I got you to watch Formula One for even one season, I would be so happy.

Well, now it's relevant to me. You know, before it was a bunch of Europeans out there doing stuff. I don't know what there was going on. Well, 20206 is a big deal next year because there's a huge regulation change that comes that year. So it will shake up the grid and we'll see what's going to go. You know what they should do for regulations? Have no regulations. That's the race series that I would fan car.

The problem is then they have self-adjusting suspension and the car kind of drives it. If there were no regulations, they probably would, if manufacturers want to get rid of drivers altogether and let the cars drive themselves. Well, that seems not fun. I would watch. Precisely. They tried this like recently with like AI driven from. It was a disaster. I don't even think the car's completed a lap.

I don't remember exactly what circuit it was at, but they attempted this, and it was as funny as you think. They could do it. I know. It's a single track. Like, what's the fun in that? Exactly. It's a story.

We'll have this figured out within a couple of days. I have said many times, like, I, I root, you root for the driver and the team, like, that's what you want to see when. At that point, just like a track in the ground and just have it follow that, like a fog car. Have the whole thing be virtual. Why have it? Why even run the race? Well, they do that.

They do. And that is the most boring thing. in the world to watch. But yeah. Like computer game racing? Yeah, they do e-sports like for four, like not for Formula 1,

but at any time. Let's go. In theory, we will have a similar. It was so great. Brief story. So Max Verstappen was taking part. They did like a version of that for LaMalle for 24 hours.

You were going to drive digitally and formal. And Max Verstappen, who just sits and does this all day. They just love simulators. Took part in it. And they had so many like glitches where it would, and when the system would glitch, it would send you back to the pits.

So he'd be like around a lap and then all of a sudden be in the pits. And he'd like, Guys. Eventually, he got so fed up with it. He was like, I'm done. That's enough. I've had enough. He was like, 10 hours in.

He was like, I'm finished. This is ridiculous and I'm done. Wild stuff. All right, let's move on to talking about cars. We got to talk about cars. We generally talk about cars on the podcast, but for some reason there's a segment called Talk Cars where we talk about cars.

Yeah. I want to talk about, the first thing I want to talk about, I didn't send you the picture, but I can describe it. I damaged a press car yesterday. Oh, no. For the first time. Not the first time. I've done this many times.

No, I've actually only done it three or four. times and been accused of it a few other times and then been accused i don't even want to get into the mcclaren incident i've been accused of it a few other times um but what did you do hit a mailbox hit a house hit a wall i lightly curbed the wheel on my back now this is the biggest damage i've never crashed a press car i've never damaged press car i've never hit anyone in the press car had anything with the press car never been an accident you get a curve never seriously damaged a press car never any real damage okay uh but i've curbed two or three wheels and then i scraped the i scratched the roof of a a Subaru BRZ once.

And that's like it. That's like, how? I had like, there was like something I had on it. And I guess I didn't lift it up. I like pulled it off. And it was,

I was astonished that it scratched, but we can have a discussion about Subaru Payne another time. But regardless, the big issue here is that the, the my bag was supposed to come to me six weeks ago. But the wheel was damaged when the car was in transit to me by the press car company. Oh, you kidding.

And so it, and then they had to order the wheel. It took them six weeks for the wheel to come. And then I damaged the wheel again. On the last day I had it, I was parking it just for the press car people to be in the spot for them. I mean, how noticeably?

Well, the black wheels, and so it's like scratch silver. Get a Sharpie. That particular car, I think they'll just paint it. Like, a wheel wasn't so, like, it wasn't any real. But I'm very, damaging press cars very annoying to me. Other journalists, I'm told, do it. And when I worked at Porsche, we heard some stories. Our PR team told us, there was a journalist who rolled a Cayenne Turbo at Cayenne Lodge.

Oh, man. I'm stunned as just one person. I have never had any of that stuff happen. I've never been in a real accident. But scratch the wheel. I'm very sorry. Right. What other cars you've scratched your wheels of?

A Ferrari GTC4 Luso, a long time. I've been 10 years ago, probably. I can't remember. Little stuff. One time Noodle jumped into a BMW I had and like, and like ruffled a leather center console cover. I didn't, it wasn't inviting him in. I had the door open and he jumped in.

Yep. He's done that. Little stuff. He's jumped into my BMWs as a matter of fact. The press car companies assume this is going to happen. And the press cars are normally, they find a new driver basically every week. And the goal is to drive them hard and drive them a lot. But I still feel terrible when I do it because I never do it.

I will say the number of times that has been damaged in transit to you still out numbers. Absolutely. I frequently will get a call being like, we were going to deliver this today. And unfortunately, we had an accident, scratched a wheel. It broke down. Somebody else crashed it. Yeah. That happens not infrequently.

The McLaren thing that happened was I got a call. The McLaren something or other. I don't remember. I don't care. Came to me for a day. I drove it to the office, filmed the video, drove it home.

I don't, other journalists, when they get a McLaren, they like spend a whole day. You know, this is like their life for that day. They call their friends. They get them.

For me, it's like on other cars like this. I don't really care. And I'm not big McLaren guy. I drove to the office, drove it home seven miles, right? And I get a call.

Yeah, the underside is scraped. I'm like, I'll be honest with you. I have these cars, personally, and I drove that thing seven miles, I didn't scrape the other side. You could blame whoever you want, but that wasn't me. And I don't know what happened. I didn't. I just didn't accept it. I just was like, nope. Nope. It was not me. This episode is brought to you by

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That's 20% off plus free shipping with the code cars at manscape.com. Okay. Filippo, give us one of your chalk cars. Yeah. Can we talk about more about the Valkyrie? I watched that video last night at home, three on the couch. You want to talk about the Valky? I watched.

I watched. You'll watch my videos if it's like an electric minivane. Yeah, and this is the only supercar one that I haven't watched it one. I saw the car here. There's the only one that I've watched it a long time. But like the, I was told ahead of time, which I figured out what to do with the camera for the N-car and the audio. Yeah.

And I'm glad we left it because it like unfocuses and refocuses based on vibration. How was that experience? You sent us and our friend group some photos while you were filming it. And it's very clear that it, like, I feel like the video didn't capture how insane that car is somehow. People I thought would make fun of me, and maybe they did. I don't really read the comments. But people I thought would make fun of me for,

comparing it to a race car at the highest level, I think I said that. Or I did in the voiceover that we were going to put over the audio because you couldn't hear it. Like driving a Formula One car because it's like, you've never driven or you. Would you know? I mean, it can't be much crazier than that. We were going 12,000 RPM. Everything was shaking. You couldn't hear a thing.

It was absolute visceral insanity in your mind. I get out of that car and I was like panting. I was like, oh, you know, like that was crazy. Totally, totally unbelievable experience. Really, really, really, really insane. And we're driving that down Newport Coast. there. Yeah. And a guy in like a C-63 sees and is like flipping out. Imagine you're just cruising a lot. I'd lose it. That's what you hope to see driving around on. No plates for just like seven

minutes, you know? And this like yeah, like imagine. We would have. Oh, I want to freak totally. Even he might have it. Turns out for sure. I was surprised at the response. I'm still getting text message with people. I can't believe that video. It's so amazing. It was cool. I didn't think that people were so excited about that car as they are. Nobody knows like they exist. They exist. They're in the ether, but like, nobody knows what it's like. No. Yeah. Where does it, can the, I have an important question.

Consumer question. The top can be removed, right? Yeah, we didn't do it. Can it be stowed anywhere? I can't imagine because there's no storage really. I look to your videos for answers to questions such as this. You know, we were running up on daylight. I did everything.

If you, I'm sure you watch the quirk segment. The drive is cool. That's what everybody's been talking about. The quirk segment, I did everything. I'd like to see other people do something. Except for where their roof. You know what I also did, which is really annoying, in order to film a bunch of different things, I had to climb in and out of that car. Truly, probably 25 times.

It was hell. You got to take off your shoes. You have to. People were making fun of me, apparently, in the supercar ride video for having my shoes off. There's no option. It's a full world that small. Well, and also, you're stepping on expensive stuff. And so, like, I'd rather do that with my socks than with shoes.

So that's a thing. And, yeah, it's really tight in that car. So like getting rid of anything you can to make yourself fit in. By the end, I was like thinking to myself, I hope I never see it. Atten Martin Valkyrie. And you won't. So you're good. That's true.

Then you're just developing more and look at you. You're going to turn to a race car fan. You're just developing more and more of appreciation for what race car drivers do. The CraigGT time getting in and out. You love the P1GTR. I love the P1GTR. I don't know that I would say that I loved the Valkyrie. I would say that it was an experience like few others.

I loved it for what it did. Like, if you wanted that, it delivers it better than any car I have ever been in. I don't know that I would want it personally. I'm not saying you do. I'm saying you're developing an appreciation from these experiences. Yeah. Not that you have to have them, not that you would want to drive a Formula One car, but you're developing. It was definitely quite a thing to experience.

So cool. And it definitely, it has this roots in Formula One because of how it was developed and who is developed by. Yes. I'm sure Formula One cars are more insane, but like, this was, this was it. The big difference with Formula, I mean, the era of that car is exceptional, but yeah, Formula One car is complete. I mean, generates 6G around corners, which is imagine. You have to be a real pro. I think on Newport Coast Bullard.

Absolutely. Definitely. Definitely pull in some cheese. I don't know if we left it in. I didn't watch the drive, but there was one point where I shifted as high as I could. And he, supercar runs like, you know,

you shifted at 85. I mean, it's nothing. That's two thirds of the way up the ref range. You know, it would be like shifting in a credit GT at 4,400. I'll imagine doing that

with a manual and a car called a T. dot 5-0. I don't know that you want to, but I think we talked enough about T.5-0 last week. That's an interesting. A more refined experience,

nonetheless. Uh, anyway. Refined. Refined is a word of reason for anything in Valky related? The T-50 is a refined experience. Would it would refinement have made it better?

The T-5? The Valkyrie? For a lot of a car, he actually wants to enjoy, yes. That's a point point. I mean, the Valkyrie, one of its benefits is that it is so race car like. And that's one of the things I liked about P1 GTR and BAC mono is that even though I'm not into those cars, if I had lots of money, I'd probably have a P1 GTR because just that, it was just so unrefined that the character of that was cool. Have you done a Vulcan? No.

Interesting. No. But I mean. I think that's just much harder to drive. We had one at the exotic car dish. I worked at and watching one of the guys who had driven race cars, like move it around is hilarious. He stalled it like 25 times. It's like, it's an extract gearbox.

You hear it go into gear and it just wants to go. Yeah, the boundary for all of its insanity is actually a car you use. Like it has a regular transmission to the extent that it just you put it in drive and it goes. And like it has a rearview mirror camera and it has like a radio. Like it's a car that is as far as crazy. stuff goes, it's like usable crazy stuff. Right.

And a Valkyre is a dedicated, like, track car. It really is. Some made for roadies, but yeah. You mean the Vulcan. Yeah, Vulcan is. Yeah. I think they were all track cars.

Maybe there were some road cars. I think that they couldn't be used at a lot of tracks as they exceed the noise limit because that is unbelievable how a lot of the cars. But anyway, a really cool experience in a great video. I'm thrilled at the response. I thought it was really cool.

It was interesting to see that because I don't do a lot of hypercar videos anymore because a lot of the, I've done them all, you know? And now it's a lot of EVs and And some of those get really positive, like get big views, the ID buzz. The P. For the reason it did well from like a view perspective. People wanted to see it.

Yeah. But you never get, when you do the ID buzz and the Rivian R2, it's a lot of interested consumers and it's a lot of, you know, people who are in the market or just want to see it's cool. To see the response to like a holy crap, this is insane video is kind of, that's kind of I think that no other video years has shown quite how insane it is like this video. Which is good because it's actually hard to describe. I really think for that car, it's like hard to put into word.

No one else has ever had the experience of driving car shifts at 12,000. So, like, I can't explain it. I've tried for years to explain why the Kuntash is so special, and I think it still falls on deaf ears a lot of the time. Because it's hard to explain, but that video kind of did a good job to illustrate. Yeah.

Yeah. All right, Kenan, tell us about your... We're not going to listen to... I won't accept anything about you, 500 a bar, potentially buying cars. Oh, yeah, come on. No. So the car is sitting there and we can see it.

I said nothing. You are not, have no permission to talk about. It's on our list of things to talk about. He added and that is insane. I said nothing. But let's talk about the Cayenne Turbo and your desire to have one. Yeah. So I do really want a daily and I'm trying to decide what to get some very precious about my car, as you can imagine.

And so I'm trying to figure out like a Cayenne Turbo seems like the right answer. But I had been thinking. Was this base, did you come to this conclusion because of our? Oh, yes. And just like driving around the city and going through dips and parking and looking back at it, like tearing around. It's like. And still which is a nice car. You can now get a Kyan base for $10,000.

Or an S-E hybrid for 12. I like the nice cities of the turbo. Or an S-C hybrid with the option for 13. I will say an S, even the S from that era had 400 horsepower. Pretty solid, yes. V8. Is it everything you described so far, there's some suspension travel and it looks like a Kian. That's just every Kai.

Well, the kind of turbo drives great. I really put around some corners at speed and it is lovely. It drives very nicely. But my point is like, would it be best? better for me to consider leasing a daily that like just I don't have to worry about maintenance. That's the big fear with the Kyan Turbo. They are reliable cars, but consumables are pretty expensive. Yeah.

And so, and you know, it's like something that's waste my head. I don't think you could ever lease anything that's anywhere near as cool as the Kyan Turbo for what the Kyan Turbo will cost you to own. So let's say the Kyan Turbo costs even being pretty liberal at like $4,000 a year in repairs and maintenance. I can't imagine it would be that. I can't. I don't think so. If you get a nice one. Yeah.

Maybe five grand. I don't know. $15,000 a year will round a bunch is a little bit over $300. I think that's more than a... That's a thing. What $300 a month doesn't give you... An EV6, a Nissan Aria. Yeah, I just...

That's the thing I'm running into. And to be honest with you, it's like, I've considered it's like, well, do I just want kind of a normalish car to deal? And the answer is no, I'm a car enthusiast. And like, I couldn't be in anything boring. It has to be something that, like, I am excited about. Even if it's a car I don't care as much about in terms of how I'm precious with it, I just has to be engaging and exciting.

I think you would be bored if you went out and leased an ARIA for 300 a month. Yeah, you'd save money on not using your M5 as much and save fuel and all it, but like at what personal cost. Right. And EVs don't fit into my life because I don't have a place to charge it at where I live. No, place to charge. Don't really need the space. Like, don't really need like it's. It's nice for the emissions and merely driving around like where we live like in kind of in the city.

It's like it's a little bit nice. And the silence and serenity of an EV is appealing when you have something. A little bit more visceral. Yeah. Not that that car is particularly visceral. It would definitely fit into your lifestyle and there are positives like you wouldn't have to pay for fuel. But Kyan Turbo is a Kyan Turbo. I know.

It gets the same fuel economy that the that does like around town, which is not if you drive like Doug does. It does. It would be a challenge. I was impressed. I thought about that. Of course. Like I don't really have to use. Okay.

By that matter, I just buy a Corvette. Yeah. So I think the hunt for a Kion and Turbo is like will commence shortly. Why not a Macon? You know, because other than he would make a carvary. make fun of me for it a lot. And I do like the macon. I do love the way they look. I would make funny, but McCann Turbo is pretty damn good. It's very athletic and it is. The Con Turbo has PDK, whereas Cayenne always had Tip Kahn. Always had tip, yeah, for towing reasons, is my understanding.

But I think, yeah, I think the reason not McCann, I mean, my friend Nick had one and had just tremendous issues, which is, I know maybe not as common, but the Kyan, the way I view it is like the Kyan is developed a little bit more as a solid platform because it had to be used for Bentley, had to be used for Lamborghini, it had to be used for a number of other things. in McCann less so. And I think it's just a less expensive. They put a little bit less R&D into it maybe, and that's why they're issues. Just based on personal information, no, I, those Kyan turboes do seem to be pretty reliable.

They seem to be solid. 70,000 miles. You get like a 12 or 13 and 70,000 miles. I think you drive that car for a long time. That's probably a 25 car. And that's a 25 car. 30 for, for 12, 13 to early. Oh, he's out of his mind.

He's crazy. I have, I have looked for one with reasonable mileage in a, in a color that isn't black. Because so many of them. more options. I kind of want that exact spec. It's going to be maybe one by somebody. 140,000 miles. It starts to be like,

well, I'd like to get one with less miles than that. Just because, again, like, maintenance costs or whatever on my mind because, like, I put the money into the car. I want to have,

like, perfect in terms of maintenance. And like, I kind of would like to not be doing that with the next one. So I'm interested. I would love it. I also think you can get in

and out of it, no problem without losing money. I, or not a ton of money. Yeah, I don't think. So. But there's so many cool car.

for 25-grent. Yeah, but for what I want. For a daily that can do everything, he can off-road it, he can luxury it, he can drive it fast. It is everything. He can enjoy it. Like when you look at a Kyan Turbo, when I look at one, when I see one on the street, I'm always like, even 2011 or 12, I'm still like that is a cool car. I totally agree.

And I have just driving that one around, listen to water colors like driving light, man. Some would wonder if you even need an E3N-5. Oh, absolutely. Okay, let's do a quick market report brought to you by Cars and Bids. Actually, it's brought to you by the Cars and Bids app. The Cars and Bids app. I think you just buy cars and bids now. Just like Cars and Bids, but an app for it.

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Okay. I'll do one of mine and you do one of yours. Lotus Evora. Pull it up. Oh, yeah. I want to talk about the Evora because on the subject of cars that are getting cheaper, which has been a topic we've talked about a lot lately, and it's done well on these pod shorts that we've been doing. Evora is getting cheaper.

but I bet it's flooring. Yeah, yeah. I can't imagine that a 2010 with 23,000 miles and a manual gets too much cheaper than 36. And then you start to realize the Avora has the famous ELEase thing. Like the Elise, you could buy one for 30, sell one for 30, now it's maybe 35. Yvora's the same deal. Toyota Power Train's still stout. And they're getting to that point where they're probably floored and you can buy and sell

and get out of it for the same number. And because they're reliable, you probably don't have to put much money into it. And these cars have always kind of been used car market bargains. And I think that at this price, 35, 36, I am guessing that this is about where they stay. And then they become real used car market bargains when you don't even have to factor in depreciation or much maintenance or repair. Well, the engine may be reliable, but I'm concerned about the other aspects of the car that are not engine related. The English and their electronics are not willing for being complimentary. The engine makes the car go.

All the other stuff is just along. for the ride. So like, what do you tell me? The door's going to fall off? Nah. No, but I mean, it car, you know, the electronic system fails and strains you somewhere. It's like, I mean, that's a realistic concern with the Lotus. You know what it stands for? Lots of trouble, usually serious. Lots of tremendous usable, usable supercar. Yeah. There you go. Nice. Lots of tremendous usable super. No, I, you might be right. However, they do get miles. We sell them with miles. We, that is true. Sometimes. That is sometimes. That is sometimes. People use them, people drive them.

Some might have miles. Sort by high house. Well, that's a three-year-old car. Sorba has miles. Some of them do get miles. 88,000 miles on this one. Look at it in yellow. I've never heard of anybody.

I've had buddies, Vettivores and Elisa's. Never heard of anybody who had electrical issues. The Elise has that body problem where the whole car is the body. And if you, like, touch it and breathe on it, you got replaced the body. You would scratch it and not have to replace the body. I did. I ran into a tree branch. And they told me I had to replace the entire clamshell, which I did not.

No. And the tree branch was like the size of, like, your face. That's a pretty big tree. your face is little. One of our editors, Nick, is heavily considering an avarader place his 996. And it's an appealing car. It's an appealing car.

I think they're really, really cool. I think they're floated value. I think they look really nice. This yellow, just that. You know what? I'd like go back. There's that silver one in the corner down here. That one looks on silver wheels.

Yeah, that looks really great. That one looks really nice. You know, it's a shame that only 13 years after this came out where you're like, you know, the up for us pretty good. Because when it came out, it was like, this is expensive and who wants that getting a lease? That's Lotus's problem. These are better used cars than they are new cars. Like, you know, nobody wants to spend 90 plus Camry engine.

You know, all the things that were bad about it as a new car kind of start to become appealing as a used car. It's all, it's got a Camry engine. So more seats. Oh, that's okay. So maybe Amira one day also get, they all just like, they all just live at 30. No, I think it will become desirable as it ages. It's just a hard sell at 90 plus for a lot of people. I actually think it's pretty desirable.

I think it's a very desirable car personally. And I think, and I thought that about a. forward to, honestly. But it's even more appealing here where it's 30 to 40 grand and probably Florida value. If only Felipe would get a car, you get one of these. Like, I've said this before. We're not allowed to talk about it. And you know what the hard part about it is? Is that

Felipe's hung up on the purchase price. And I've begged him to understand that it's about total cost of ownership. He could buy and sell the car, get out of it in a year, spend no money. And he's like, no, it's too expensive. And so instead he's going to get something dumb that loses value. I'm probably not getting out. I wish we had a tag to look at repeat offenders cars. We've had multiple times on cars. It's to show him. Like, it's sold

for this. It's sold for this. Well, actually, you know what you can do? Click on recently in it. This hit me yesterday. The reason that came up, we sold this 32,000 miles to 41 to 36,000, 20,000 miles. Go to the very bottom. The very first Yvora's we sold, like this one,

$34,000. Like, they've lost a little value, but like not significant value, and it's clear that they're not going to really be losing much more. Obviously, the ones that sold for 86 or newer cars at the time, but now they're getting cheaper and so you can, or they're getting older. Right. Two years ago, 39, 9. Exactly.

When they were different models. Florida and they're cool. If you want to get a Cayman, but you've already had a Cayman, this is the kind of card to get. What's your market? Can you go to the lucid air sapphire please? Yeah, let's talk Sapphire. All right. We sold a lucid air sapphire for 200 grand. Stickers 2.50. We did a bunch of, there are no public Sapphire results before this one. So we did a bunch of research. And like our team came up with a, because we went too deep in this, with a form of like, how much do other lucid models depreciate, which is a lot. So that put the value of this after a year and whatever

miles it has at like 160. That's like, this is exciting to me because it shows that the super high performance ones are still getting enough recognition that they're not following that same appreciation curve. Tycons are. I, I was shocked by this. This is better. I was shocked by this.

Yeah. Also, it has miles, 3,000. I will say, um, 3,300. I will say, this is a more special car than a Tycon turbo or turbo. Those are very available. I have still not seen a lucid air sapphire on the road. Only when you had it here for as a to review. And I see Lucidair is pretty common.

I see him every day. Yeah, truly. But Sapphire is really special. I legitimately think it's one of the coolest ones. The model S Plaid held value for a little bit. And then kind of appreciated. This has, I think, more that's special about it than base of this result is helping. This is a true super sports car.

Everybody who is super performance sedan, luxury sport. Everybody who reviewed it was very positive, including me, I loved it. I thought it was. absolutely amazing to drive and use. I feel that way about all the lucid errors, but the Sapphire is really cool. Production is somewhat limited. Now, I mean, the person did lose $1,600 per mile of the drove. But that's a different issue.

But that's kind of true of all $250,000. I mean, S-Class is everything in that segment. The Sapphire definitely did hold value better than a regular leasing. Better than anybody else I was thrilled to see it. Yeah. Okay. It's time for questions, questions, questions. Now, remember, you two can ask us a question.

You two, if Bono asked a question. You two can ask any questions they want. If Bono wants to text Doug directly, we'll put his phone number on the screen. You know, Bono had a quattroporte like Nick has. Oh, in period. That's so cool. I was reading an interview where he talked about it.

And he said one of the things he liked about it is a four-door car and they named it the four-door. This is only the Italians. We should do a video talking about, like, musicians cars like that are famous people. Eric Clapton and the Ferrari. Well, I was thinking Rod Stewart and all his Ferraris. Nick Mason. Great. Can I make in his video?

Thank you. Nick's great, Chris. Okay. So, anyway, questions. You can ask us questions. You click on cars and bids.com, click on it. You go to the community tab, and then there will be a post there saying, hey, ask us questions. This was the special holiday questions, which we're going to have next week.

Because next week, we're not doing like a news podcast. We're recording it early. And we're just going to do questions, which we've already taken. So anyway, we're going to do this week's questions now. So let's go. The first question is from Rodney. This is a question we get sort of like it with some frequency, but I want it covered again. of all the auctions on cars and bids over the years that have been completed,

what were the craziest buyers and sellers that you've had to deal with, and what ended up happening with those auctions? There's never anything like too crazy. One dude sued us in small claims court, remember that? I do. And we defended, and the judge was like, you're an insane person, got it. The guy wanted the buyer to send him Amazon gift card.

It was something truly insane. And we were like, no, we're not. But that was probably one of them. But like, nothing's ever been, like, insane. There's been a lot of insane people. Yeah. Because humans, turns out, like, Kenan, are insane. Right.

But nothing that's like coming immediately to mind. The person I sold my land cruiser two. But I can't think of any, I can't think of any really insane situations that have at least come to my attention. You've probably seen them. I have seen a lot, but none that are like story worthy. Yeah. It's usually like, okay, this isn't, I'm crazy and here's what I might take. And the seller's crazy and the buyer's crazy.

I remember early on some of the buyer's remorse, which was some of my favorite, where someone would say, oh, I left my laptop open at Starbucks and somebody entered a bit. It's like, all right, all right. Your wife found out about the car. She's not happy, and you're walking it back. There was a dude that bid on and bought a FocusRS, and then he comes to a couple weeks later. I have a lot of back issues, and I thought that this car would be perfect for me based on all the forums. And it turns out that I can't drive it.

Can I list it back on cars a bit? Which isn't that crazy. I don't remember. We do have people turn around cars quick. But it's like my answer would have been the focus rest is still for sale. Go to your Ford dealer before you bed, maybe. Find out if it's a car for you before you spend $50 grand.

That is always something that really annoys us. We do get people sometimes being like, you know, this car had this or that. Often sometimes it's stuff that was disclosed. I know. And then, but they see it the last day of the auction. Like, oh, I got a bid. Then they bid.

Then they're like, it has this scratch. It's like, I can see this scratch in all the pictures. You do. Always do your due. Do you. The reason the auction runs for a week is not because we think bids will be coming in for a week. The actual auction runs for five minutes. Let's be clear.

The week is so that you can call the dude. You can send a buddy in Connecticut to go look at the car. You can have a PPI done. You can get your financing and order all that stuff. Nothing. I wish there was something that came to mind as like a really great story. But it's just normal people dealing with transactions. Yeah, I think that's what it is.

It's a lot of normal people dealing with transactions and the pros and cons that. And as I tell a lot of people, then we can move on from this. For a lot of folks, most expensive purchases ever make is your house. Yeah, probably. Second most expensive is probably a car. Like second most expensive category is probably a car. It's scary for people. And so you don't always get the best of humans,

but then we have a team that's there literally to walk you through how to do it. And then it usually works out. We have really good support. Their whole purpose is to share all the experience we've gained over almost 25,000 options. And we do it well. And we do it well. And they do it well. Really.

Okay. Next question comes from I Am Him. Philippo. Did you get run over by a Michelin Pilot Sport Cup, too? Oh. For those of you can't see his shirt, he does look like he has a tire track across the sweater. I firmly believe that this Christmas is,

this sweater is Christmasy. Well, it's Christmas in the sense that he got run over, the sweater got run over by a tire around Christmas time. Do you think that Santa Sleigh has Michigan Pilot Sport too? Do you think that's Santa Slay? That looks like you got run over by a tire. The question is, does the sleigh have a pretty wide one?

No, it doesn't have tires. What do you think it was? Pretty wide. It's a wide tire. That's why they're saying pilot sports. It's like a career gt rear rear tire. Does look like, it looks like a, We'll compare.

Not anytime soon. Okay. Next question, actually, from I Am Him. Question for Doug, if you could make Ken and Filippo buy a car, what would you make them buy

and why? If only Doug had that kind of influence, I would make Felipe just like make a decision, you know, like step up and do the job. What? What would I buy? I'd make Kenan by an E60 and 5.

Really feel it. Really feel it. Why do you hate me? That's punishment. I would make you get like something that I want you to get. Like, I'd make you spend some money.

Like, realize what it's like, to write a check. Diablo. Oh, God. I've been trying to convince my friends here in San Diego to get a vintage Lambo for like two years every day. And no one will. I mean, yeah, it's a really expensive, unreliable. You know, but Nick's got a mercy. It's not like I'm asking him to like, to like jump off a bridge. He's he's two years away from what I'm trying to get him to do. Maybe he likes the mercy, you know? I know, but if he had a Diablo, he'd have a Diablo. I understand. You've got a Kuntash. That's enough for us. Ellis. I need someone to share

this with me. I want someone to share this experience with me. And remember, Joe Sacki, I don't know any other Kuntash people. Like I'm set on the Pherapod. I don't know anybody else. Right. You won up all of us by too much by having a chunuch at all. So you got to instead one up somebody that gets a, But the problem, I don't want to be friends with any of those people. I hate all the other people who are rich. I was going to say, do you sure you want to know Kuntash people? No. I don't want anything to do with them. Okay. Next question. Question for Portia 32. Question for Kenneth. Matt Ferrer recently mentioned writing a new article for Road and Track about how the CT5V Blackwing has been chasing the ghost of Ether

9-5 when B-AW themselves and everyone else is not. Will you acknowledge the CT5B black wing is the true God's chariot and the spiritual successor to your Ether 9-5? If not, Doug, can you set up with Canada with a demo car for a week to change his mind? What happened already? So I have driven the CT5V black man.

Which was a demo car that I had, as I recall. Absolutely loved it. Manual one, it was blue. It was phenomenal. Love the car. I have never, I've never seen a fuel gauge physically moved while I'm driving it. It is unbelievable. You have real range anxiety driving a gasoline-powered car, which is crazy.

Yeah. But like the- So your thoughts on whether it's got as- It's not as well as a, it's not as well-rounded of a car as that is because it just doesn't, there are, I mean, it gets like legitimately six miles of the gallon.

And it's also brutally fast in a way that the M-5 is maybe a little bit more balanced. Second and third in that car are really fun to use for acceleration. That's where it's in the M-5. And in the catalog there, too, the difference is the speed is multiplied tremendously. it is a lot less usable in that regard. But I have to admit is one of my favorite cars I've ever driven. I would love to have one in addition to that car, which I know is very redundant,

but I'd have like the best and where it all ended in the end. And I can't believe that Cadillac of all manufacturers makes that. And in the spirit of the question, I think we both agree that, yes, it is the car. It's an empirically. Yeah, absolutely. I think it goes like that car, you could say maybe the Audi B7 RS4 is very similar. Then came the Chevy SS, which a lot of people, you know, know, I love...

For a while, there were a few. There were a lot of V8 manual. But it's kind of coming to this. This is, yeah, it's, the fact that that's a car that's currently on sale is outrageous. And that it's actually a great car. Like the G8, the G8, though it was great, there were concessions made. It was quite big. The interior was not great.

Pontiac wasn't our brand. Same thing with the SS. Same thing with the SS, the interior, like all the buttons is better. The insurance and switches are not good. The C5B Blackwing is like the E3NM5B Blackwing is like the E3NN. in the sense that it is like the ultimate car that you really want and it has the manual to rear drive. I actually argue it.

And it's even more subtle. It does Blackwing in two places and they're little tags on the seats. That's it. You have to like really know. Of course, you also know because you don't see any actual CT5s around. Well, that's true. It's San Diego. I never see any of them.

But I just looked for you. You were talking about leasing your car based on what I could see in a 30 second search. Coastal Blue Metallic manual. Lease for only $1,700 a month. something to consider. I do want to see what they do in terms of that. I mean, they're holding the value relatively strong. They really hold, but there's nothing else like it.

Nothing none ever for sale. We've hosted surprisingly few. Yeah. Right. Next question from Q Sal. Hey, Doug, hypothetically speaking, if the 4GT slash career GT value started to drastically plummet, would you sell the car to save yourself from losing money, or do you keep it for the pure passion of what it is and what it offers?

It's a good question. It's hard to imagine a scenario in which they would like drastically start to plummet in value, so it's hard to really put myself in the mindset of that. But I love the cars, and I don't really need the cash, so I would probably keep them. Now, in this scenario, you're talking about maybe the whole world is drop. Maybe it's like 08 again or 1927. What would you buy? Well, maybe nothing if I'm selling everything, panic selling everything.

But I really love the cars, and they're what I want. And it's hard to imagine. I kind of wish the courage that you was cheaper because it'd make it easier to do. Same. But like, you know, even though I bought it. You've also bought carefully. It's like even in a World War Something Pullman. There is some intrinsic value to a car like that based on how many they built the specialized. I agree with that.

The new Kuntash intrinsic value is low. A Carrera GT V10 manual, fastest car around Nureberg Ring and the whole world ever. Close enough. That's a car that's going to always be desired. A couple seconds from being true. And one of the stories I hear, some of the stories I hear from the guys who did make those purchases 20 years ago of the F40s for 200 grand. is that kind of thing. They bought cars that were special

that they loved, that they knew they would love, and it worked out, but also they had something that they loved. And surely the stock market would have done better, et cetera, but they had this thing that they loved.

And I think that's how you make it up. And that's how I've made my decisions. The three sports cars that I have, I truly love them. And yeah, it would be sad if they lost value, but not as sad as if I lost them. Exactly.

At the end of the day, and that's what upset me for a while when so many investment people are like buying cars and then like not using them, using them as commodities. it's a horrible investment, generally speaking.

You can make way more money and other things. The difference is like if you're passionate about these, like the goal should be to maybe not lose a ton of money on it. If you can do money, it's a great benefit and some of them do.

I think CareerGGT is not in a position where it's going to rise in value significantly for a long time. I had a big jump. I do not think those cars are going anywhere for a lot. They made, well,

1270s is a lot. There's more of 40s. There's more Daytona. Only by 100, but yeah. There's more Kuntasches. I don't think the production number is the problem. It's pretty rare, especially compared to more modern supercars

where production runs have now gotten considerably bigger. Well, they're out of control now. But I think the problem is that it had a big run-up and the people who have them have it. You've already made the pressure. The pressure already have it. Okay, next question, final question. Final question. This is another question for Canon.

Luke 26. Question for Canada. They're all for Canada. Even the one that we're not getting to. Kester for Kenned is great. But for Filippo. There's not any questions for Pallipo. sad because you know, so not. Folks, if you've got questions about electric vehicles or the car market, compact cars,

I actually thought about coming to you. That's why I wanted to ask today about the least things. I will look for you. Don't you worry. Question for Canon. As a fellow Northeast Ohioan, are there any spots that you know of to spot cool cars? Dealership shows.

So I actually, I've been kind of putting this together because I'm going to post it on Instagram soon, but like I was going back through, I'm from Hudson, Ohio, which is a small town between Cleveland and Akron. And in period, when I was growing up there, We had the craziest cars. I mean, nuts. We had, there's a career GT is bought new in my hometown. I have pictures of it at the gas station.

I'd see Spiker C8, Lamborghini Garado Super Ligerra, 997.1 GT3 RS in green. Like, there were just, and this was a regular thing. You'd bike to downtown Hudson. There'd be just crazy cars all the time, every single Friday in the summer you knew. Was this over at Aladdin's? There is, there is an Aladdin's. And I did, I have pictures. Like, where would you see the car?

Like at Flipside? The guy of the courage GT always filled up at BP and it's because he went in to buy cigarettes there and he would leave. And like that was that. Oh, that's that. I don't think he smoked in it. I hope not. I think he still has the car also. You're talking about the BP at Main Street there at Ravenna.

That's correct. That's right. Yep. Right off of 91. By the Rose and Grill. But by yours, Trullet. Yes, by yours truly. Recently revamped.

Nice rooftop of the table. I go back to Hudson with some regular. No, my answer for him, not anymore. It's changed. Like, now they're just like Audi S cars. The places I would go, Shagrin Falls is really, really, there's, it's a very wealthier. And every time I go there, I see nice cars, even now. That has not changed.

Nice cars like what? People in Shagrin Falls? BNWZ8. I've seen SLS Black series. I've seen a lot of really Shrikas. But the thing you should do, in all honesty, I'll send him, it's like, go to Marshall Goldman. Like, Marshall Goldman has just an incredible inventory.

but it's like going to a car show like truly. Just be very polite. You know, don't touch anything. Obviously, be very nice. But that's the place to go. I mean, that's the place to go. If you want to see them in the wild,

I would say Shigran Falls is your best bet? Where's the Triple F collection? They're in Columbus. That's a different thing. Is there like a Carson Coffee that, like, do we know them? Is there a Carson coffee that they go to? I met them.

They hold a big event every year, I think in June usually. And they have some, they've had some stuff. They had some stuff. They had some stuff. They had some stuff. They had some stuff.

They had several McLaren F-1s. they sent their stuff there. That's a, and that is a wild show to go to, I have to say. For being as into cars as I am, not my world. Yeah, I understand. We know.

For you, Filippa, the local Toyota dealership would be enough, I think. But it is. By the way, did you sell the comments when you were naming Toyota SVs? You forgot the lowercase B, upper Kase Z four, uppercase X4, uppercase X. I don't consider that. They do. Gaplepa doesn't consider it.

But that's my answer is. There is Kenon's top tips on car spotting in northeast Ohio. In the greater Cuyahoga County area. I don't actually. It's summit technically. Yeah. Same, you know. All right.

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