THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Electric Cars Are Cancelled? Porsche Sports Cars Prove it!

Episode Date: January 17, 2025

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and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Felipe. And I have an injury. I fell. It's no big deal. Let's start with the news. Well, people are going to mention it.

All right. First news story. Big news story this week. The biggest news story of the whole week. Tesla Model Y has been, what's like the best selling car on the planet? The Tesla Model Y has been refreshed. And Tesla has done something that I wish every other automaker should, would do, should do.

Take a page out of Tesla's book. They announced the refresh model. a wide. Do you know what it goes into production? Now, I assume. Today. Today. To be fair, they announced it Monday. News to, we're doing it. Toyota GR Corolla. It was announced. And then 25 years later, the GR Corolla was at dealers. And by then people had already put deposits on whatever the next thing that was announced was. Yeah. This thing they showed. And then they showed it on Thursday. And on Monday, it was at the factory. Just like the Tesla Roadster. That is a great idea.

The upside, of course, is the fact that they're only changing the hood in the front bumper and the rear tail lights maybe makes it easier to implement the production. I decided not to change the front tail lights

this time around. I love when people say that. That's one of my great... No, you're right. It's a fairly minor update, although there are more significant updates than just that, including they finally put a front camera

in this thing, which has been lacking. Where? There's, I don't know. Looks like there. Yeah. There's other little stuff. I don't want to speculate too much on exactly what the stuff is

because... Wait, no, I will happily speculate. Well, the U.S. Market version hasn't been announced yet. You're familiar with the Model 3 Highland, as people called it? This is the Juniper. I know. Okay.

But you're familiar with the Model 3 Highland. There was a Model 3. Yeah. They've lightly faithlessly added the light bar, added the light bar across the rear air. They changed interior. This will be identical with one change. You know what that changes? This factual.

You know what that changes? What? This has turn signals. Stocks. Yeah. So that's a change. There's also a rear screen. I don't know exactly what's going to make it.

That is true in the Model 3, Holland. Oh, but versus Model 1. No, no. This is a model 3. I get your point. Plus the turn signal soccer. The Model 3 Highland, though, doesn't have a front camera, doesn't it? Yeah, I think it does, but I don't remember.

I don't remember. But regardless, it's facelifted, it's updated, and it's a big deal, even though people watch this and be like, why are you talking about Tesla? It's so boring. It's one of the most popular cars on the planet. I think it was the single best selling car last year? Yeah, in some places. Oh, Kennan's not in charge. No, I mean, across like globally.

I don't know about globally. Maybe. But somebody will look it up. It's up there. It's one of the most popular cars. So we're going to start seeing. Soon they're going to start. look like this and every they're going to be around it i will say the model three when it was

refreshed finally um got way better like you you reviewed it and the suspension was better than serve was better if it's quieter there were real improvements yeah and i imagine the same is true here nonetheless the question i think has started to become with tesla does a refresh have a significant effect on sales at this point yeah was tesla sales were down last quarter right and certainly evis are slower right now to sales adoption has been a little slower obviously a refresh was in important for three and why because it's been a while three came out in 18 but where are we on this in terms of like is this going to move the needle in terms of sales i have a suspicion no are people really going to be like i can't wait to trade in my old one from a new one to get a front camera

in this light bar kind of i mean like there are some that are leased and that those literally nobody i know with a why is like one of those like excited lease turning customers it's like they bought it for necessity they're not car enthusiasts they don't care like it's a little more competitive it remains competitive. Yeah, Tesla needed to. In general is sort of on a bit of a down swing. Yeah, we can agree that it doesn't

we can agree that it doesn't look. I like it. It looks fine. I think the original one is ugly. I think that this one is better. The original one like tied the front end and like the middle and the back. It all kind of made sense.

This is like the fact that the middle of the car is identical. I'm sure they'll claim it that it's not like it is. It just doesn't like. I generally find that all Teslas are the most boring. looking cars. Like if you were going to create a rendering just like every other car. Not the cyber truck. If you were going to create a rendering of

car. Tesla Roaster, just like the original one, just like every other car. The newest one though is. Yeah. Okay, all right. Model Y refresh. We'll see if it actually measureably does anything for sales. You think it will? It'll bump them. Yeah. I don't think that changes market position. I don't think it's a big change though. No. No. But it's not a big

change. It was necessary. It was getting stale. It's what needed. Next new story is even better than this. On the subject of EVs, Chrysler had announced some EV or teased it or apparently they showed it at the Airflow damn auto show. It was called the Airflow, which was the name of a car they had in the

50s that also failed. And this has failed because Chrysler has clandestinely apparently halted they sent a note to their suppliers saying that they want suppliers to stop working on this vehicle, which suggests to me that they will probably not manufacture

the car. But if you as Chrysler which currently sells one vehicle the Pacific up, if you you are telling your suppliers and presumably internally saying, if you're not going to build a midsize electric SUV that everybody else wants, what do you build it? I think that Chrysler got really burned with the whole charger EV, like the switch from gas powered to electric. And I think that Chrysler was already on the fence about making that switch. I think they see political headwinds against EVs. I think they see the market starting to turn away from EVs.

And I think Chrysler is trying to get ahead of this and say, we're not going to do this. We're not going to go down the same road, the Blazer and the prologger going down where the lease is. are subsidized to a 50% well though. Yeah, but of course they sell well. The lease is a cell phone payment with nothing down. I mean, I could make a car sell well

if I offered it to for a dollar a year. I wouldn't buy a car that you made for a dollar year. Wisely. But I think there's two things that are concerning here. One is you're probably right. They're seeing, okay, there's a pushback answer. This is a U.S. market only car, frankly. They don't have a presence anywhere else in the world.

Yeah, but they could, I mean, which matters. The Chevy Volt was sold as the Opel Ampera overseas. It doesn't have a broad. brand overseas. Obviously, FCA does, but not for a myth of the TV. But what I'm confused by is how are you not, how are you as a brand not like so far behind still that you can realistically say, nah, don't keep working on? I would argue based on this, this looks production. And I would argue they probably weren't. I would argue this car was probably six months from production and they were probably planning the press launch and configuring the trim levels. And still we're like, we're done. And I honestly, just release you're you're not selling anything. You don't have a car. You don't have a car. You don't have. have an SUV in your lineup. Is Chevy making money on the Blazer? Is Honda making money on the prolog? At the end of the day, the automakers are sitting here thinking, we want to make money

just because they don't have a vehicle in the segment. Have a vehicle segment lose money. Have no vehicle in the segment. At least they're flat. Now, granted, there's probably been some development dollars spent here. But maybe they amortize that because Jeep is going to have some sort of electric thing. Maybe it's the same kind of deal. They do the Wagoneer or the whatever this is called.

Never seen one. The Waggonier. I'm so sorry. Not the Waggonier, the Waggonier, S. My apologies. I just. I get it. It's a sign certainly where the EV market is,

but also at the same time, it could be Chrysler being Chrysler. It could be, but it's an... No, I think Chrysler was severely burned on the Charger thing. I think that basically Chrysler was told... By government incentives... By government incentives and everybody else,

Chrysler was told, you got to get rid of this old car, the Charger Challenger. So they did. They switched to an electric-e thing. Everybody hated it. Everybody's criticizing it. And now, Christ's like, we're out.

EVs are done. Trump's president now, we're done. We're out. Dodge Ram, pickup, probably. Maybe, but you've got to either to give up on the brand or build something. Well, they don't need to give up on the brand because they sell them all the same dealer. It actually works out. That is true. You know what? Kenan's least

favorite part about the cancellation of this car is the thing that makes them the sadest. You lose what appears to be a hexagon steering wheel. Oh, that is so sad. This thing has a hexagon steering wheel and Kenner was excited to be turning it. And those mirrors look like M3 Combers. Uh, no.

E9E2M3, don't you think? Like, like the, like the, they had, though, the thing with the M mirrors since the E9XM3 was that they have two, yeah, they detach it. All right, fine. Not two stocks. Not just one. All right, all right. I can see this, this is on the car. It's not, or this is inside the car.

I can kind of see why you think it, but it's the picture. All right. I don't know. It's an interesting. It's an interesting story because GM went full bore with this. They, they released the Blazer EV. They released the Econox TV. Neither are doing particularly well.

They're doing really. really well. The Equinox EV is selling... Only if you're looking at sales numbers. I'm looking at subsidies. I'm a profit guy. The sales numbers to me are meaningless unless we're talking about how much the automaker is making money. Which we should look at we should soon have GM's and of your financials and we can look at what that look like. But I don't think they're necessarily losing money on everyone. They're subsidizing the leases to on a brand new car that took an enormous amount of development to an unbelievable level. But development that they've shared across the Honda Prolog at the Blazer EV and the Equinox.

The Equinox TV is selling really well. Yeah. Sorry, I should say. It is leasing really well. All right. Equinox EV lease deal. Yeah, no, it's attractive. 169.

Oh, it's attractive. 169. It's attractive. Philippa, of course it's, of course it's, at least, of course it's selling well. But it's bringing people into the, to the, the Chevy brand that otherwise we're certainly not going to be there. That is a, which is any people.

This is a $50,000 car that's leasing at one. Well, it turns out it's actually like a $23,000 car. And you're going to come over here and tell, this is unbelievable. And you're going to come over here and tell me that this car is leasing well? Well, I suspect they have some residuals that might prove to not be true. Here's someone on Reddit who's claiming they took advantage of a $5,000 rebate and got the monthly lease payment to $65 a month on an Eco-Ox EV 2LT. They put the money then. For a 44,000 sticker.

Wow, not bad. Here's a guy who say he did a $2,500. one pay. He's got a 24-month- flea. Oh, what a dream. These cars are not selling. I'm willing to believe that

Chrysler's making a good decision. I... He's bad on me. Well, we'll see where... You don't think Chrysler's making a good decision? I think it's rare that Chrysler makes a good decision. That's... Well, that is true.

The market is not here for these cars. I don't know that's true because there are clearly buyers, not maybe at the price. they want, but there are clearly buyers. The Model Y, as we said, which is at the same price point, is one of the best selling cars in the world. So there is a market for these cars. Tesla is profitable. Yeah, but how do they compete with that? You're going to buy a Chrysler? You build a better car. Turns out you compete by building a better car. And Chrysler does, like, these people

no one's been able to do it. They have bad brand equity to fight against to do that. It's a no one's been able to be a car. Tesla has the charging network, Tesla, which is open to other people out. The brand equity, they have everything. It's got a picture of a car. Whoa. my goodness Imagine Christa It's got to fix your car This thing It would crash your phone

Every time you open it Like Well there are some concerns About that I just Given them on a work They put into this And the fact

They don't have any other products And they claim Dude there's people out here Saying they get a $3,000 one pay They're paying $124 a month And For an Equinox EV Seems like a great deal

That GM is happy to have them in the door for You think Chrysler's sitting here Eager to finish putting this car together So they can release it for $84 a month gone on one pay. Doesn't help my point, but incentives on new chargers are wild.

What are they? I saw an article recently that had $12,000 just off the bat. The car came out yesterday. Like, like not including tax credit, just that dealer wanted to get rid of that. Their new chargers so badly or challenge.

Because those cars aren't tax incentive? What's out? I don't even know what's out yet. The one of them. Nobody knows. Nobody's looked. Nobody's paid much attention to it. New Dodge Charger incentive.

Someone is saying, oh, 23 chargers are way off. I'm sorry. I'm curious. The point is, I think Chrys was making a good decision. Can we move to the next story where we're talking about more of these? All right, here's a company where here's a situation where Volkswagen has said, no, actually, there is a market we can enter and make money like Tesla has.

And Rivian has had good sales without huge incentives. They struggle financially for other reasons. There is a market. They release the Scout brand. Yep. That isn't out yet, but we'll be out of year. Yep. There's two.

There's a pickup truck and the SUV. SIV is making them made about 70% of reservations. Which makes total sense. And still makes us wonder why Rivian release the truck first. But what's really interesting is they're offering it in what they call the harvester trim that has one of Volkswagen's engines behind the rear axle. One of Volkswagen's gasoline engine. I didn't know by this. There is a range extending gasoline engine does not power the wheels supposedly.

Yeah. It just acts as a generator for the EV drive train. And you can imagine I just running in the background, charging up the battery at like without any notable load. Could I never plug it in? Yeah, I think so. probably right yeah i don't know that you'd want to i don't think it's the most efficient way to power it well but sure it's a giant issue with a 1.5 liter two cylinder we don't know the engine well i assume i don't know it's gonna be something like that it'll be one of vauxboggin's small

engines but what's interesting is that they have said publicly that over 50% of their pre-orders are for the harvester trim which further proves the point i was just making doesn't it people still want to put gasoline in their cars they want to go further but it makes a lot of sense for the scout brand. Like this is why it makes sense for them to have done this. You want people to go off-roading. Have an EV. That's great for their daily life. And then you can go a little further. It makes you wonder, does this, does this kind of come in and eat Rivian's lunch? They offer a gassy version. It's not fully gassy. Yeah. But it's gassable. It's a little gassy. Like, that's interesting. Yeah. It is. Generally. It changes the use case.

People are ordering it. That says a lot. Yeah. Well, pre-ordering it. Putting a $200 down. Pre-orders for a car like this often turn into orders. For the Chrysler Airflow, of which there were two pre-orders, both of which were Chrysler employees, nieces and nephews. That's not a thing. But this, these are actually interested people who are going to get one. It's interesting to see that there is demand for that. I wonder if other brands will.

Nobody in the U.S. market has a range, extender. Right. I-3 excluded, BW.I-3 excluded and the Volt. There's no way that car stolen sale. Nope. Has it been for a really long time. I'm trying to bring Kennan back in here. We're fully into the swing of the new year, and it's been warm and sunny here in San Diego.

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This is a cool vehicle. No, I agree. This is cool. And it makes sense. Like if you're going to, if you, the whole point of this brand, you know, to bring back the international names that are these cars, which were, you know, rugged, is that you're going to take it off road. And realistically, you just can't do it with an EV? Where are you going to charge and look at this? You think there's a charging station around here? Rivian actually built one at the top of that help. Probably. No, Tesla did. Rivian's using it for a significant amount for months.

So like you need, like if you're in the real, not that this is the real world, but if you're going to use it the way they intended to, you need to be able to have the car charge itself with a generator. Are we seeing the beginning of a switch away from electric cars? After all this EVEU. It turns out Fisker was right. The Fisker car was the right idea. I have a generator.

You know, I remember. when those cars all came out, the karma, the Volt, et cetera, and Leaf, when they all came out in 2010, 11, 12, there was a lot of talk about what really is the future. Is it full electric like the Leaf or is it this plug-in hybrid like the Volt?

Chevy gambled on the plug-in hybrid thing with the Volt. Obviously, Nissan went with the full electric. The market sort of more went full electric. But there's always been a lot of talk about plug-in hybrids are the best of all worlds. Maybe plug-in hybrids are the best of all worlds. Toyota's gotten big on it. The Ravrefour Prime,

which is the plug-in, the Prieta never really went to EVs. They only ever did the plug-in hybrids. The new BMWM-5, by combining both a gasoline engine and an electric power train, they were able to make it way less than a mid-sized fishing vessel. Yeah. Just. It was a small planetary body. Yeah.

That is the drawback. It is a jersey. It is a lot of stuff to package inside of a vehicle. But that's interesting to me. And it is. And it's something that Rivian doesn't have. And it's probably something that's appealing to. and never will.

And it's probably something that's appealing to a lot of people, particularly the type of truck people who think this is cool but aren't ready to commit to full EV. Maybe the news story here is that almost a 50% of people want the full EV.

Maybe that's more newsworthy. Yeah, but Rivian's already told us that there's a huge number of people in this segment who want a full EV. Now we're finding out there's actually a huge number of people who would prefer to have a plug-in hybrid help their EV be powered along.

It's very interesting to me. Indeed. Good news, Kennan. another EV story Oh my God This is actually worse than a regular Evie story Buckle up

I'm gonna take a nap No no no this is one you want to hear You're familiar with the Accura It's the best of Kura Akura It's a small two-door hashback They haven't had it in a while But great six-speed manual

Yes for me Yeah yeah That has sweet car In Canada they did it with hubcaps Wow Well here here for your enjoyment Is the new Akura RSX Yeah

The RSX has returned And much like the Mitsubishi eclipse This is the Mitsubishi eclipsification of the RSSX is returning as an electric crossover. I'm trying that into a verb. It's based on the Honda theoretically based on the Honda Zero series that we talked about last week. I am surprised.

I have to admit, I'm surprised. When you said there's a new RSX, which was announced this morning. When you said there was new RSX, I assumed it would be based on the new prelude. Dude, that would make a lot of sense. Because that's going to be like a small Honda coupe. So I figured the RSX, which was always sort of prelude-e,

would be the. The Accura version. You know, it's going to be an electric crossover. And production will kick off later this year in Ohio. And then we'll buy one. It's January 1st. Tesla gets a car to market tomorrow. Yeah, that is the way.

That's like Apple when they release the iPhone. It's like, you can buy it Friday. Yeah, it's like, boom. It's a huge deal. Automakers claim they can't do it because of suppliers and this and that. But getting people excited about Scout, for example, and then telling us it's not going to be on sale till 27. It's BS. Like, it doesn't help anybody.

do anything. You get all excited and then you forget about it and then something else shiny comes up and you forget about your pre-order and you're not interested anymore and suddenly they get they're cutting cyber truck shifts at the plant. What is the benefit of that? Is it just hype for the brain? I think that they feel that they cannot control the story because eventually it'll leak because so many people are aware of what it's going to look like when you think about all the suppliers and all the internal people, et cetera, et cetera. And so they would rather control the story when they announced on their terms with the pictures they want rather than somebody sees it in some back parking lot and that's the only picture.

retro circulated. So, but yeah, and then it just becomes boring and it becomes boring. By the time, I promise you, by the time Scout comes out, we're going to be bored of it. I promise you. I just think back to the NSX, the new one that you love so much. I mean, that was teased for like five, 60 or something. It was something crazy. Or Mercedes-MG Project 1, the same thing.

I mean, whatever. You know what? I'm going back on my love of the new MS-X. Should have had a manual. The good news, by the way, is that nobody is excited about this car to start with and nobody will care. That's true. It's not like people are eagerly awaiting new arrival of this car. And the great irony, of course, is that the Accura ZDX, which I presume is larger.

Yes, and is prolog-based. Right. He's already out and is not selling. And so here they're coming out with a second one. They say, we're not selling the first one. I got an idea. Yep. Let's do more.

Maybe they should have listened to Chrysler. Hey, the ZDX has sold 7,400 units in 2024. It sold 7,424. Which really means Q4 because they came out in the fall. That's not bad. 7400 units. What are ZDX leases at? Oh, they're attractive.

And the ZDX is a good looking. $2.99. is the first thing that comes up. That's got to be a 65 car for 299. The ZDX is a good looking automobile. You could buy for 0% for 705. To be clear, we're not talking about the first generation ZDX, which is cool but not a good looking auto movie.

It was a good looking car. The first gen ZDX previewed all future movies. It did. I agree, but it was not a good looking car. The first gen ZDX and the Tesla model Y look the same. I bet we've sold one. Type in ZDX 2R. I don't think we have.

No, just type in to the cars and bids. Have we sold one? To the cars and bids. 2R is apparently not. Just go for like 2012. I don't know. Nobody knows when it was around. Yeah.

That, look at that beak. That is the Tesla Model Y. God, I forgot how. People complain so much about how this car's looked. And then every EV that came out since then has taken this exact design. And a track the out of the Mock E is this car. The handles are in the same spot. I'm telling you, you can, yeah, that's true.

You cannot tell me this is not what the Mock E model Y. But execution matters. I just felt, always felt like it was just a sweat. back TL that was like melting and just slowly getting bigger. Execution matters. It's not nice. Well, I think they executed it perfectly. They were just early and with a gas engine instead of an electric, which is what it should have been.

You know, this had a 3,700 in it. That's what we in the Accura community call. Did it? Did it ever have 3.5? It was 3.5. Well, but that gen MDX used to 3.7. I know, but I don't remember the ZDX was updated. Well, come on.

No, no. It was that era. The MDX came out in that era. And the ZDX came out of 9. But the 3.7 was part way through that MDX generation. No. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Keep going.

That's move on for Kenim's sake. Pull this up. Thank God we get to sports cars. All right. Good news for sports cars. So Porsche recently released their sales figures for 2024. Yeah. And some interesting things in there.

I'm going to start with the non sports cars and just talk about that a little bit. Tycon sales volume went down. How? Way down. So they went down. They decreased 37.3%. They sold 4,747 units last year versus 7,000. The theme of this news section is that EV sales are not doing so hot.

Speaking of, by the way, EV sales. Well, hold on. I'll get there. Hold your horses. So Panama sales also down. Yeah. McCann sales also down. Cyan sales up.

Macon had been out in the same exact form for 10 years. I agree. There is a brand new one, though. But then. They didn't deliver any 2024. They didn't deliver any 2024. And sales are still down. But then we get to the sports cars.

The 9-11 sold 14,128 units in the U.S. That's 4,436 over 2,023. So sales are up with the 9-11. 20%. That's a big number. It's a big number. And the 17-Boxer and Cayman, despite the fact they're going to kill it in October.

They said that they, so they were up 1,172 units over 2,023. They sold 5,6998 of them versus 4,400. So it's a 25%. It's also 25.9%. Wow. So it's clear that Porsche, who makes great sports cars, that's what people want. The 992.2.2 is responsible for some of this because it hadn't, it wasn't really out. Just barely out, right?

Just barely out. But I mean, GT3 sales are strong. People want. Here's the question. How the hell does this company come out with an electric boxering camera? I know. They must be thinking, it's no wonder they push it back. They're like, uh, are we sure? They're not ready to.

Apparently they're comfortable letting a macon sit for 10 years, but I don't think they do that for the years. It is interesting that McCann EV has come out parallel to McCann Gas. I started to see more McCannivies. Same. And by the way, I had a Macon EV. I'm going to have a review up in a couple of weeks, but I drove. It was great. It's great.

However, it's still a very expensive electric car. And not enough range. I will say, the tight cut in the Macon. Perfect candidates for EV conversion. I mean, there are cars you drive around. I hate to say it, but the Macon is not a special car. Like the going to electric. It's not like anybody's going to be like, oh, but the sound of the old turbo four cylinder is

You know, right. Well, it's a utility. These are experiential fun cars. Nobody needs a sports car. People want and desire a sports car. And people with money want a Porsche and they want a driving experience, which is further emphasized by the sales figures on their best sports cars. It's also interesting.

We talked last week about how Mustang sales are down. The Camara's gone. Super sales are down. Maybe the bottom part of the market doesn't have the disposable income. But clearly the wealthier buyers are still buying sports cars. It's not that the, it's not that two-door cars. Coops are dead, it's that cheaper ones are, those people can't afford them anymore. But 9-11 buyers are doing way.

Long live the sports car. Long-lived the gas powered, manual transmission, rear-wheel drive sports car. Like the Nissan Z. What an unbelievable news segment. When we started this pod, which was about a year ago, I would never have guessed that in a year we'd be talking about how EVs are getting canceled before even going into production and that gasoline powered the sports cars are up. Drawing any takeaways from us.

I'm going to tell you something. Chevy should have canceled their EVs before they went into production. Equinoff. What other car can you leave for $84 a month? You're right. The dude on Reddit who got a one-pay lease for $1,500 for two years and is paying an effect of $81 a month. Don't you want that? I want that. Yeah, but the point is the car is not sellable at its actual price. At $81 a month, that's like a $13,000 car.

But it's got a 50 sticker. Meanwhile, Porsche's, these aren't selling for $40,000 off. I'll tell you that. Nope. Well, look, I speak, I believe on a half of all. And the car enthusiasts when I say, let the EVs burn. Let him suffer. Oh, wow.

Oh, wow. All right. By the way, every 07, 13 MDX had the 3,700, as did the ZDX. Give me an apology. Move on to the next door. The 07MDX has a 3.7? Yeah.

I really thought it came out with part of the facelift. No! You got to know your MDX's. The original first-gen MDX, 01 to 06, that was all the 3,500. And then it was 0-1-06. And in 07, the 3,700 came out concurrently with the beak-nose MDX. Can I give you a fun fact? That 3.7?

Not used in a Honda product. Yeah, because it never went into the pilot or the Odyssey. Yeah, that's true. Or the V6. Hunter was afraid would keep lunch and transmissions if they went up any more power and I'd be like,

I don't know. But when you're Hannah inaccurate, you've got to differentiate somehow and 0.2 liters is how you do it. Okay. The next segment is the talk cars segment and I have a PSA. Oh, really?

Yeah. Okay. The PSA is this. Let's hear it. Toyota, as a lot of people know, Toyota recalled some of the turbocharged engines in the tundras, the sequoias, et cetera. You know about this?

They're replacing engines. This was months ago. the hybrids were not affected the hybrids were not affected the tundra and sequoia engine recall to replace bad engines

did not affect the hybrids the hybrids were not part of the recall Felipe wait is there still a sequoia trimmed the non-hybored let me ask you this

in that in the three the V6 that was recalled were any of the hybrids recalled no it is unbelievable the amount of misinformation. This has to be the top misinformation of any automotive industry thing right now.

It is. You go online all over, right in the Toyota Forbes, people are like, these hybrid engines suck. They're all getting recalled. None of them have been recalled. Zero. There is a hybrid version and a non-hybrid version. The non-hybrid version was lunching itself. I love that lunching has appeared twice in your vernacular.

I love that. The hybrid version is apparently totally fine. That's nice. I get asked this every single day about my Sequoia. Is there one of the recalled ones? No, because it's a hybrid. And the hybrids aren't recalled? The hybrids weren't recalled?

Yeah, they weren't. No, they weren't. I feel like this is just a conversation of how to one of your neighbors that you just brought to it. The problem is this. With this generation of Toyota truck, they've switched away from a V8 to a V6,

turbo V6. Shame. And so there's a desire among enthusiasts to heap any amount of hate they can on this motor, but specifically the hybrid version because the only thing worse than a turbo v6 is a hybrid turbo

that's for the soy boy and liberals so anyway so there's a lot of hate like it's getting a ton of hate and there's so much the hybrids were not recalled Felipe were any hybrids recalled?

Not yet. Not yet is the right way to say it Toyota's having some trouble with engines and transmissions isn't that the issue the new Tacomas? The Tacomas are having transmission process. You took it with her hand the manuals like I drove.

Yeah, there you go. That's right. I'm glad that your Sequoia is not recalled because you would never bring it in for the recall and therefore it would eventually be that it's not. I'm actually subject to a recall right now for the rear tow hitch cover. Have I ever told this? No. The rear tow hitch cover was recalled because it keeps falling off like if you look at it. Didn't that happen to you? So I'm driving through Texas and I get to a gas station and I look at the back of the tow hitch cover is not. And then like the next day I get an email being like, we have a recall for the tow hitch cover. Oh, there you're going to replace it?

Somewhere in North Texas. They don't have a fix yet. That's like the time when my Ford focuses door latch stopped working. There was a recall for it. We got a fixed on a recall, but we had to drive there holding the door shut. Oh, it wouldn't stay closed. Just like Stradman's, uh, when I went for Enterprise, when I went for Enterprise, the Dodge Avenger interior door handles stopped working.

That was a recall. That was a dangerous recall. And that was Chrysler in 2008. And I remember, like, we'd take all the cars to the dealer to get the recall done and you'd have to either roll down the window and like reach out. We've been really... Getto stuff. These were brand new cars.

We've been... We've been really mean to Chrysler. We should be clear. This was a Dodge product. That was a Dodge product. It didn't affect similarly made Chrysler 200s. Those were excellent cars. Different door handles.

Evos, basically. All the ass. The 3.6 liter Panistar. The hybrids were not recalled. Felipe, give us the real talk car. Yeah, segment of the week. I have won a car on cars and beds. I will be flying to Seattle.

battle when people are listening to the podcast to then drive it home. So we gave Felipeo crap for six months because the first 10 episodes of this pod, he was like, what if I get this car? What if I get that car? And after 10, 15 episodes, it became clear. He was not going to be getting a car. That's correct. We're in 40 something now. We told him never to talk to us again until he gets a car. And then this is how this happened. One day, he just sends, we have a group text ready. He sends a picture saying, bought a car. It shows the picture that he wanted on the site. He was on a conference call, like a meeting.

Yeah, I have those. I was, he was bidding on the meeting. We sit in cars. We got a nap. We sit in cars at cars and bids to take meetings. And Sean, our producer, says, just look to me. He goes, just shocked. He goes, Philippe bought a car.

And I look at Felipe, though the whiskey. And he's just typing. Yep. Use it a meeting. Yeah, no expression. No emotion, no nothing. You were just like, you bought a car. I would like to not.

It's so what it It's a little card is and let people find it on their own. Acura. You type Felipe in the cars and but you'll find it.

We'll talk about it more next week when I have the car in my possession. Okay. The car Felipeo bought no, we got to talk about it

because people can see on the site. I bought it to go to the site. Oh, go on. Use the app. Go to go to the option. Oh my God.

Filippo bought a Gtai Volkswagen Golf. Oh wow. Oh, thank you, Kenon. Golf GTI. Yeah. Here's what happened.

Every week, Kenan and I do a live now, which is on the Cars and Bids YouTube channel. We talk about cards that are live that we're interested in. For that live now, I was looking through our site, and I saw this. I thought, oh, a no reserve market. I wonder where the market is for these.

And then I started looking more closely at this one. And it turns out that the base trim GTI fits my desires very well. All right. Pull up Inter and tell us about the Clark. So love the Clark plaid. Yep. My wife, a little bit less into it, but, you know, she's very generous and kind. She said it looked like a Catholic schoolgirl uniform.

Yes, she did. That's the benefit. The real quote. But the base trim GTI is really well-specked because I care about sportiness and having fun, has a good seats, has a six-speed manual, also has adaptive cruise control and blind spot and heated seating wheel. But the best part is... Best part is it has a volume knob, which I don't care. So the big complaint about the latest GTI is that there's the slider for the volume and for the climate control, which by the way, works fantastically and everybody who's complaining about it is not particularly bright.

Yeah. They know how to side their finger. But if you don't want it, all you have to do is get the base model and then you actually still get the climate. We've discovered this. You know the worst part though? I hate Volkswagen volume. I was because the volume circle turn.

And I forgot about that till right till this very moment. The volume circle turned. It's infuriating. Design. Unbelievable. That's still an issue. But I'm incredibly excited. We're going to drive home from Seattle over this week.

weekend. The seller has been fantastic. I'm sure she will not mind me saying this. She had a Mark 4 GTI upgraded to this, decided this too techie for her, and went out and bought a Mark 4 R32 in blue. Wow. Which is a really special part. So she has a cooler garage and I do. I have to say I'm excited to you. Yeah. You were you were talking about a 997. You were talking about a C6. You're talking about importing a multiply. And then you ended up switching your hot hatch for like a more grown-up version of your hot hatch. I just, I want, we were hoping that you would come into the,

you've been talking about a corvette for years. You're in an age where you can have a corvette before you have children. This was an opportunity. I want to make something really clear. This has exactly as much torque as a 997 basis. Filippo, we want you to live. And I am living high, the high life. I will say this.

This is nine years newer than my current newest car. I will say this. I have significant regrets, legitimately about not having more sports cars before I had kids. I, when I was younger, I thought AMG wagons and wagons were cool and I had a CTSV wagon and AMG wagon. And in retrospect, I think it was stupid that I was driving around in four-door practical cars. For you who will regret this, yes, I will not regret this.

You're not going to regret not having a C-6. I'm proud. I'm happy that you bought this car. I may be able to A-car. Yes. You finally stepped up. I'm happy that you bought this car. I wish you would live. I wish you would just sink your teeth into life. What's going to happen to the 500 of Barth? Almost certainly we'll be selling it.

My wife and I are not yet in agreement of what we're doing with it, but I think we'll likely sell it. She might see it on Carth and Bids soon. Carson Bits. And Kenner will clean it? I like to kindly offer. I'd like to do the whole thing. Now, I did clean it on Saturday, so I don't know what more we're going to do.

Like I said, I will clean it. But on Saturday, he cleaned it on Saturday with a rusty nail. and a far player fence of hopes and dreams yeah but I'm incredibly excited you guys will see a GTI on the Cars and Bits channel video

soon like very soon I'm excited for you to get it I am proud of you for having bought a car but you guys are both so disappointed and I find that

incredibly I'm not disappointed because I like the market I had one as a press car I think it's a great car I just I just instead of you always making the practical choice

which you have made my the entire time I've known you I've known you for 15 years and you've always, all I want is for you to make the fun choice once. I want you to have fun. I didn't buy a base golf. Pardon me because it's not for sale in the U.S.

and market. Go back and watch your cars in business. You were having such a great job. That could be you. Maybe I'll sell the wagon and the barth and then buy a C-7. No, you won't. No chance. So now he's got, he's got.

But imagine this is what he thinks is fun when he does have kids. Imagine how boring practice. car he'll have then. Between Felipe has no children or anything, to him and his wife, two people, he's got between them, he's got eight doors, plus the hatchbacks. 11 seats. 12 seats. Sorry, 12 seats. He was told that he needed a car to transport

seven people. We have people and your wife and your dog. In our car often. I don't understand what the time. I know, but that's one car. That's a rental car. You have a couple weekends a year. Or one vehicle that you have. For a second car, you had the chance to sink your teeth into something. You could have had a ZR1.

I am who I am. I know. I know. And that's just the truth. And I know what? I have 100% of a GTI guy more than I'm in a Barth guy. I've had that car for two years. I agree with that.

That is true. You are more a GTI guy. In our comments, there are people who identify with you. Yeah. Who are like, I am Felipe. You guys shouldn't make so much fun of him for being the practical, cheap, smart choice guy. It's who he is. It's who I am.

And it's like, you know what? That's fine. That's great. Good for you. Life is for living. That's what I have a four-door sedan. Yes. I have a four.

Yes. With the individual throttleways, double the floor star I will still walk away How much power does this happen? 241 and 273-5 feet of torque I will dust you. Are you sure? Yeah, I'm positive.

You think M5 is faster than this? Absolutely. Plus he's driving it. He doesn't rev over 3,000. The DGGGGTI might be equivalently fast, but the M5 is faster. What's the 0 to 60 in the 4.7? Yeah, by a second or two.

Second and a half. Second or two. It's not close. Yeah, not exactly. Hell yeah, double the cylinder. My torque side. I bet I bet I could get it. I'll bet you could.

pretty confident in my torque that you couldn't okay there you go Felipeo bought a car congratulations to yes bravo filippa we can't wait to see it in person also the picture's got to get to look literally the same torque figure as a 997 997 that's not some base 997 okay that's what I was considering I got more than 20 years ago pull up the we're gonna talk more about GTI next week when you get it and bring it down here we're gonna have it in the background we're gonna do all over the kundashes I'm gonna lick it on camera please don't oh he's done

done it to my M5 it's very irritating can you pull up the last slide here for us. Oh, yes. I met the market the other day. And back to cakes. And let me tell you what happened. Okay? This is an honest to God story. I met the market the other day. And they're hot wheels are there and they're three bucks each. Okay. And I wanted

What? I don't know. Two? I don't know. It was some amount of money. I only buy them if they're one for one. I think they were three. The three bucks each. And so I wanted four. But then it said they're ten for ten dollars. And I'm like, they're basically four. I can't buy four because that's $12. This is such a dug story. When they're $10 for $10 at our local grocery store, you buy one at the dollar.

Melissa told me that I could have gotten away with that. But anyway, so I'm like, all right. I'm like, all right, well, if I bought four, it's for me $12, I got to buy $10 now because then it'll go down to $10. Yeah. So I was tricked by the big Hot Wheels. You were. By Mattel. Bytele tricked me into buying hot.

Anyway, one of the hot wheels and one of the reasons I even wanted the four in the first place, and I gave a couple to Felipe. You didn't. One of them, a puny aghastic. I actually have an XC40 monster truck, which is rare. I mean, there's not a lot of those out there. But whatever was a proton saga. And this is odd to me. I don't know how much of you know about Proton or the Proton brand.

I'm familiar about the Malaysian brand. Proton is a Malaysian brand who for decades, maybe still, their only vehicles that they produced were they would buy the tooling from Japanese cars after the Japanese car brand was done making the car. And then they would make the car in Malaysia as a brand new car. So like the 08 Honda Corde was their most famous one. That car ended production in 13. Then Proton was like, all right, we'll buy the tooling. So they came out with the brand new 2014 Proton whatever. Well, it's already a seven-year-old car, but they didn't have to do any development.

The saga was an 80s version of this, and it was a Mitsubishi. I think it was the Mitsubishi Galant or the Precisse sold in the U.S. as. I don't remember which. But this is a rebadged Malaysian market, former Mitsubishi. Why did Hot Wheels create a version of this? this car, new for 24. Why? How did you?

Why? Because they've done every car in the south. They're running out. I'm so into this. I haven't done the Akura ZDX. Anyway, obviously I bought it. Maybe that will be number 42 of 250 or 40. New for 24, just like in Malaysia.

It's also new for 24. It's 1980s Mitsubishi. It's based on a version of the Lancer. I'm not sure if they're sold here, but it's a compact king. So the ZZX wouldn't fit in. Well, the Lancer, that Gen Lancer, wasn't that Gen Lancer sold here as the According to Wikipedia, it was the Lancer Fiore. But wasn't that sold here as the Precise?

I don't know. Anyway, the point remains unbelievable that they would take a rebadged Malaysian car from the 80s. That's wild. And sell it as a Hot Wheels. How was this happened? Who at Mattel got away with this? Who at Mattel was like, we're not even going to do the Mitsubishi version. We're going to do the rebadged Malaysian version.

And if you happen to work for Hot Wheels and decided to do this, please let us know, because I would be very curious on the thought process that arrived at this being pretty. sold one to me and you know what i got no regrets and i would buy another one look at us what talking about it enough yeah and you know what i'm keeping mine mint and box yeah you should yeah i'm gonna buy a second one that i can drive you can't drive yeah that you can't drive her and uh when you put in that exactly exactly yeah new and rapper yep extraordinary can't talk about my second you sir all right please move forward one more side oh god what do you think this is well i know what this is because you said earlier but it is a pure i would

think that it's a purestown it's not it's a Toyota crown it's so so Toyota sells a Crown SUV in other markets, inexplicably not in the U.S. It is not the same as the Crownsignia that's sold here. It's a different version. It's a Crown SUV. But there is a new body kit for it that makes it look even more like the Puro Sangway. Right. Now, of course, the Puro-Sanway has suicide doors.

So wait, is this? Well, there are some other differences. Is this the OE version or is this the body kit? This is the body kit version. It only changes the front end and the rear end. The front, to be fair, those are the Toyota headlights. Those are, but they also are kind of the Purosango headlights. So this is a-Po-O-O-Sung way.

Toyota makes a Puro Sangway. Yeah, the news story has been around the body hit, but frankly, it's that the Toyota Crown looks like a Puro Sangway. Huh. Like, pull up a Toyota Crown SV, but you've got to be specific about it. Huh. Toyota Crown Sport is what it's called. Oh, I can't touch with this.

It's hard to type. Okay. Like, by default, it kind of looks like a Puro-Songway. Yeah, go back. Pull back out. Pull back out. Un-Zoom. Un-Zo.

All the un-Zoom there is. Pull up. this one, this gray one down here. That does have pure signway. By straight of default, it looks like a purosanui. Especially the glass house. Yeah. And then you add the body kit that fixes the valence and the rear end,

and it looks like a poor sign. Brawack, of course, is that the pure signway's got a scream in V12, where I assume this has some sort of 1.6 liter hybrid two cylinder that gets 84 miles per gallon. I, where is the drawback in this? Oh my God, that is the

Felipe is. Dicture GTII. Like you have a poor Sangway on a budget and you're in Japan where the crown sport is sold. Here's your option. Here's your option. Although maybe it's also sold in European markets based on that plate. Yeah. Well, that's interesting.

What self-respecting German would do this? That's just. Yeah. Well, if you want to look cool, but you have to get a Toyota Crown sport. So they sell a crown that isn't the U.S. The Crown Sigmia is a different Crown SV overseas. Good luck making sense. When the Crown.

sedan, which is sold in the U.S. Pull it up, please, kind of because everybody needs to appreciate the Toyota Crown. It's amazing to me that they get away with this many especially because the Crown Signia is generally agreed will be a failure, even by Toyota. No, no, no, that looks too good. Yeah, yeah, there you go.

Wait, there's a different crown overseas? I think there's just some, like, small difference. But the Crown of like a full lineup for Toyota in Japan and some of their markets. They bring the Crown Signia, but not their SUV, despite the fact that that's the hottest selling segment. I actually liked, but like, it's not a viable vehicle in this market. But like, I don't, when they first came out with the crown, they didn't, they said they weren't bringing in a CV over at all.

It was just going to be a sedan, which made no sense. You know, on this subject, this isn't one of my topics, but I want to talk to you about it because it's a big deal. You know, Nissan's coming with a brand new, fully redesigned Morano. Of course. I'll bring it here tomorrow. So I looked up sales. Marano sales peaked, peaked at like 80,000 units. And what, 04?

You know what they did last year? 12. 19. Here's a company. Well, that actually more than I thought. And by the way, the new at Sterra? Oh, oh, no, wait. It's been 13 years.

I added this together. And since Nissan canceled the Xtera, Toyota has sold in the United States only 1.1 million forerunners. That's not an exaggeration. Since the Nissan exterior was canceled, Toyota sold 1.1 million forerers. They didn't even redesign of once in that time. They didn't redesign it in that time.

And, and. It's not a joke. Nissan has sold zero X-teras, and they're instead spending the resources to redesign the Morano, of which they sold 19,000 of last year. I'm sure that Ford is trembling in their boots that there's a new Ford Edge competitor. No, Edge is gone. This is the other thing about, this is the other interesting thing. The two-row mid-sized segment is down to three vehicles. Can you name them?

Oh, if you want to call the Outback. Which you do, because every comparison test that has ever compared any of them included the Outback. It's the Morano, the passport. The Venza until the last year. Venza's canceled too. This is the thing. Right. Well, the Venza's been replaced with the crossing.

Every automaker has been like, okay, we either have to cancel or go off-roady or go three-road. Oh, the Sanna-Fa-B. Of course. The Blazor's gone. There's only EV. No, no. It's all exists. I really apologize if you're into sports cars.

The point is. If you're into off-roaders, this is a real topic. Because the Xtera should still, this just is the most mind-numingly bad product planning decision. I think that has been made since 2000 in the last 25 years. You know what? We talked about. about the Honda and Nissan merger.

You know what Honda is like trying to claim Nissan will be helpful for? Large off-roaders TVs. Because they have the Armada in the QX80. And Honda's like, oh, they'll help us be in the development of these very hot vehicles. Toyota has sold 1.1 million four-runners unanswered by Nissan.

And you know what the craziest thing about it is? You know who has the platform? Where does the forer come from? The Tacoma, right? The frontier. Nissan has the platform. with a very successful frontier and the very successful Titan platform that they developed especially for the Titan. And it's like, okay.

20 years ago. You're sitting there with all the tools. I can't help you anymore. I've made 50 videos about the fact that the X-Tera should never have been canceled. And I can't help them anymore. Instead, they're bringing a Morano here. They sold 19,000. How is there a new Marano?

Like, truly. It honestly makes no sense to me. I'm sure it'll have a sales bump. They'll sell 30,000 of them. But Toyota's selling 100,000 foreruners a year. You got to assume that all 19, that 18 and a half. half of the 19,000 were Tub Enterprise. Yeah, a lot of fleet sales.

I think the whole thing is absolutely crazy. Is it a hybrid? Numara. It's a four. I can't remember. I just wrote all the stuff down. It's a four cylinder now. Okay, let's move on to the market report because we're going to get to questions.

Market report, market report, brought to you by the cars and bids app. To access the market report, you click on the app, and then you market report your app. All right. From now on, I'm in charge. Can we start this off by talking about the ChevroletassS? Because I want to talk about sports cards for you. Kenyon. All right.

What about the SS? We have at this moment an SS live with a 60th manual. Bidding is at 27 grand in the first day. Yesterday, we sold an automatic SS for 23. Yeah. And general, automatic assesses are kind of a deal. What was the mileage? That's because nobody wants it.

No, but like, pull up the mileage. I think it actually would be a pretty cool daily. Because 77, one owner on modified, nice. Right. They seem so under a. appreciate it. This car is often compared to mine and because it has an NAV8, a 6B manual in rear wheel drive.

And 400 horsepower. Forget the 6B manual. Well, a little more. Did it? Yeah, I think it's 400 and, oh wait,

isn't the manual? 14. 415, some more. But it weighs more, so you figure it's probably pretty similar. Yeah. But nonetheless,

like, yeah, the manual is what people want. Yeah, Filippo's point makes sense, though. I mean, if you want a daily at like a cool car for 20 for 23,

it's an eight-year-old car. Yeah, but you don't commute. Yeah, but I've done that car in L. You can drive a manual for your daily commute. But maybe you want a $20,000 Chevy SS. I wouldn't commute in a manual if you paid me to do it.

You commute here in a manual almost every day. I know, but I don't commute. Like the people commute from Escanito. When I lived in Ohio, it was a 30-minute commute to my office. Yeah, on a nice sweeping back road. No, it was all highway in traffic. Every time I'd leave, it was bad. Sugar in Falls people, no.

When I was 20, I would have done it too. I was younger. I would still do it today. buying a male card. But it is remarkable to me that the six-speed ones have held their values

and that there's such a big gap. Yeah. Yeah. No, that makes sense to me. But it is an interesting car because it just was Maline when it came out. People thought it looked way too normal

and not sporty enough, which was kind of the appeal. Yeah, I agree. That was kind of the appeal. Especially in this era when cars were starting, designs were starting to get extreme.

We'll say extreme. But it is interesting. that the manual ones really, so if you buy a manual one and drive it and you're not going to lose that much on it. A little bit over 20 grand is for a LF3 power. There's another one here at 21. That was heavily modified. Yeah,

but the point remains. Right. These cars are available in the low 20s if you, if you're willing to take it. I would rather have an SS and a charger. Certainly. Yeah. And I can't think,

and I would rather, would you rather have it than a, what was the last V8? Oh, powered reasonable BMW. The M5, the F10M5 is cheaper somehow. With a manual?

No, no, with an automatic. Well, F90 is also also Interbo V8. Yeah, fair. These have good equipment. They're reliable for good looking cars. The interiors are actually pretty big. This one, we're looking at this burgundy one that we sold in 2020. I remember this startup video, because this thing is Kansas 719 horsepower.

This one will put it here on your jet noise. Yeah, it is. Not surprised you see an Arizona license plate on that car. No, I remember, I think I wrote that one or edited that one. I can't recall exactly which, but I remember it. very well. Nonetheless, it feels like a deal. I'm surprised by how cheap it is. The sticks, though, are really holding their value. Yeah. I would be surprised. I would be curious what the sticker was. How are you in this car? I mean, it's almost $60,000. It's a $20,000 gap. What was

sticker, Felipe on one of these? This car sold for 42. I mean, I know there's inflation, but I can't imagine the differences. Boom. Sticker was 49. 49. 49. 470. Yeah. What other GM product? Right. You walk into a Chevy dealer in 16. Every other one of those cars is currently traded in $11. and a fish fillet. Having spent a lot of time looking at C-7s, a six-speed manual 2016 C-7 with that miles is a 35 car. Yeah.

So the auto just seemed like kind of a deal. The autos are deals if you want just a cool car and you want a daily commute and you're not necessarily looking for the fun of the manual or paying up for the manual. If you're going to buy a charger. But if you want to buy one of these and you want to hold it value, get the manual. Yeah, I think that's the other conversation point here is that if you get a steak,

you can probably get in and out of it without really losing any money and they're probably reliable. But again, that's our mentality is cost of ownership. Right. His mentality is... I was optimized for both this time.

All right, Kenning, give us some market reports. So we had an interesting sale recently. So we sold a Boxter Spider R.S., which is an incredibly desirable car. But this one here, this one, I mean, this one's nicely option.

37 miles to start, but it had VISA package, finished in kind of an interesting color combination, sulfur 221, which is not far off its MSRP. Yeah, I think I looked at the sticker was like 217, right? Yeah, I think so.

This is a minimum. It was still, 217 was a sticker. So it's like pretty close to what they, they've come down, they're not paying 50 grand over sticker to get one of these. I have noticed this also on certain other sites. I have noticed it also for GT4RS. Yep.

The, everybody thought this would be like the hottest, like flippers Porsche ever, like it was going to be like 2X MSRP. Then they made a lot of them. Yeah. How many is it? It's not a limited production car.

It's not limited. They're still making them. So how many you got? Obviously the Boxer Spide arrest came out for 24, but the GT4RS came out 23. Maybe. They've been around for a bit now. They've been around. Used ones are available.

They're pretty easy to find. My understanding is allocations are not incredibly hard to get. Yes, I've heard that. And for 4RS, same thing. I've heard. If you can get one and just be a little patient, it'll show up. Which, by the way, I think is kind of a cool thing about this car. Another cool thing about this car that it's not such, like the 9-11 ST is,

a God car that we're never going to be able to own or drive or see. But like this car, there's at least a couple of these and the coops that come to cars and coffee every week. Like this is an available car. It's expensive, but it's not 2X sticker and people are going to hold them in their garage and never take them out. Which is maybe the curse of the box

there a little bit. Well, if you're thinking about it as a collector. Yeah, you wouldn't buy this if you were thinking about as a collector, though. Porsche priced at high and there's no cap on numbers. Exactly. And it's a tip. If they had done a limited version of it with a manual, And like,

that there would be a car that people would be paying for $50. Oh man, it'd be the best. I still think this is... It's hard not to buy it. Yeah, one of the best modern sports cars

currently in production, I would say in its current state, but with a stick it probably. You could argue it was the best. The ST is probably is better, but like, I mean, it's a very special car regard.

Yeah. Double the price. But nonetheless, yeah, an interesting result. I was a little surprised you, and I thought I would go for a little bit more than sticker,

but turns out. Yeah, that's where they are. You had an R230 SL-55 point as well. Oh, yes. So we talked about this on our live now. Yeah, we did. And this S-L-55, R230-03, sold for 12 Gs. What was the mileage?

83-7. So high mileage. And not the best car company, you know, silver with a gray interior. But that is, I mean, that's a 400, it's 4163 horsepower, right? Yeah, 493 horsepower, 516 pounds of torque. A seriously fast car. They look good, too. I think I personally agree.

And that rear view, like we talked about that view. The rear view of it is looks so wide and off. And a reliable power train. Yes, that you can, if you wanted to modify, you can and it's still reliable. Older Mercedes have this reputation for being unreliable, which has dogged all their reset values. But if you know the few diamonds in the rough that are reliable, you can make a really good buy. You're right about this car. I didn't really think that much about it, but this is a reliable 500.

How many reliable 500 horsepower cars exist? Number one. number two for 12 grand go back to the to the list of the sales yeah so look at any sell with those wheels that I love those million spokes oh the million spokes this one for 20 yeah look at that wheel if I showed up at filippo's house with that wheel

you've already fired his father and you've given yourself a bonus oh there it is no but I mean so many of them are so you know what I'd say you know what 10 13 15 10 with those wheels yeah yeah they're bargains 14 I think people are scared of about reliability. Even if people misunderstand the engine and there are others, it's costly to maintain. It's not the engine.

It's expensive. It's the, it's the suspension. To be clear, there are issues. The car is not free to own. It's not like a Toyota. But it's also not incredibly unreliably expensive. Like it's no, the car is 12 grand. I mean, I can't believe what these are selling.

I know. It's a good deal. That's a serious bargain. It's also if you, it's the kind of car like that 07 with a red interior. I know. That's the kind of car. You pull up in front of somebody's house. They're like, damn, that's a cool car.

not knowing that you bought it for like the price of a Dodge dart. I mean, look at this. This is a cool looking car. More than a dark, sure. If you put on those things. Yeah, got to put on the. And the, in the hood order.

There's a few things. And maybe lower it. It's not perfect. But it was 14. It was 14. For 20, you're in that car perfect. I still like this one for 12.

Yeah. What a bargain. What a bargain. Yeah. Do you fare every 03 Mercedes kind of is a bargain fundamentally? Well, there aren't a lot of good ones. Well, the E55s also from this era. The cool thing about the SL is It was like a beautiful flagship

I wouldn't call the sports car But I like a sport tour Touring you know Real car Kind of as close as much They didn't really build sports cars as much But the SLR Yeah

We're gonna stand by what we said here Oh damn wow It was built in Woking There are pictures of it in the McLaren factory What about the SL 5th What about the SLK You don't have any respect for the SLCA It's okay

No God No but you're right I mean, you know what I'm saying. I mean, the Mercedes-Benz is not known for that. But this car, again, if you are thinking about buying a sport, if you're thinking about buying a convertible and you want a German luxury car with real power, I mean, this is a serious part.

What are the twin turp? What do the 65s go for? What do the 600s go for? Not that much more. 600? You got to move, Angie. Oh, right. 65s, depending on mileage, bring big money.

Oh, 600s are like the same. But I don't know anything about that motor. I don't know if that motor is reliable. I know the M1113, the blown M13K is a pretty reliable engine. The V12 could be, I don't know. The 65s are... 23 for that one? Can I have that one? Click on that. Yeah, you can.

Can I buy this car? Or is it sold? I mean, it is a head of has sold. Six months, seven months ago, but... I know a couple of people who bought these cars, not new, but not far off. Drove them to 100,000 miles. Bought another one, drove that to 100,000 miles too. What's the mileage on this? This one's almost at 100,000 miles.

I mean, it's a cool car. Granted, if there are certain parts, the engine if they do need service, the high price of something that can total the car. It's just worth more than the car is. But I mean, look at the, oh, there's incredibly cool cars. 738 foot pounds of torque. By the way, before we start saying bad things about the SLK, 03, available with the stick. We actually have one live right now.

That's fun of facts. Okay, finally, time for your questions. Questions, questions, questions. Brought to you by the Cars and Bids Market Report. If you have a question, go to the Cars and Bids.com, the community. Unity tab, there will be a poster that says, ask your questions, and we will answer the highest upvoted questions no matter how stupid. Okay?

You can ask the dumbest question in the world, and we'll answer it. And the first question, speaking of, comes from Kenyon's girlfriend, is the name of the user. Emily? We haven't heard a lot from Emily lately. How's she doing? She's great. Dad was very excited about January 6th recently. Oh, the anniversary.

I bet he's really excited about January 20. Yeah. Anyway, that's, all right. What's that way? Kenon's girlfriend says, do you think we choose cars we buy based off other people's opinions too much? Some cars could be truly fun to drive,

but we don't buy because of bad associations. Like the guy saying, I love that F-650 video you did. I would love to have one, but everyone will still mind me terrible. That's true. And yeah, there's definitely cars I've bailed on

because I don't want to be associated with the type of person who owns them. Yeah, it's a pressure. I mean, I can think of a number right off the bat. Like the previous generation C-63 with the V8, Yeah, the C-63. I mean, that car, I love that car, but it has a reputation of being driven by people

who aren't particularly kind. The V8 C-63s, the nice ones that remain stock, of which there are 11, were driven by serious people. The remainder all got on, like, black wheels with mismatched thin Chinese tires, with, like, neon's and tinted taillights, and it's, like, a scary situation. Yeah, which is a shame,

because I've driven that dollar car stock when it came out, wonderful car to drive. It's just the image that, goes along with that. I agree actually here. It's like, it's exactly that. Also, the same thing I said about like Mustang GT350. Love that car to death. Think it's so cool. You think the GT350

has a bad thing? I have no... In San Diego, yeah. You're just a military guy who just recently got paid a bunch of my way, went and financed everything that you possibly could to Penn Fed and you bought that car. And then you do roll out, burnouts, and you have to... A GC350 has no reputation in my mind. Yeah, I think the 350 is more a little bit more connoisseurie, whereas the regular

Mustang is more up your alley. Challenger and challenge for. Not up my alley, to be clear. more in that vein of what you're saying. The challenger charge are kind of the same deal. Like that's what I would assume. Yeah.

And actually there's also pressure. I would say N.A. Miata gets a lot of like a lot of people thought it was too feminine, too like girly or whatever. And now it's a bunch of like vaped stoner kids. Yeah. Exactly.

All supers. But no, there's definitely external pressure there. There's definitely. I don't know if it's precluded me from buying a car that I like. Really. But yeah.

Philippo is immune, apparently. Doesn't bother him. Yeah. He only ever buys... Well, it's because he only ever buys boring cars. Don't offend anybody. Okay, next question.

From Tom Tinker, a question for Doug. It's clear that you listen to more music than anyone else on the planet. That being said, what cars have the best sound systems? And do you ever add slash replace speakers or subs to use cars?

You know, I get asked a lot, why don't I review sound systems in the cars where I do the reviews? It's because of the royalties. All the greedy musicians want to be paid. I've never met anybody that cares less about how their audio sounds than you.

Yeah, don't care. He just has to be listening to something. I love music, but I, like, I just did a huge renovation of my house, and we didn't put in any smart speakers or thing. I use that portable Bluetooth speaker. Like, I have better speakers than you do. And I, and I, I'm me. I just, I love music. The exactitude of the sound, I don't think is, it's like when new tires.

I got new tires to the career GT. They're the same. I mean, they're exactly the same. If Kenan was driving the car, I'd be like, well, you're right. the precise steel and the bit of the blibblee I don't What you want to hear

From America's favorite Carrier reviewer I don't distinguish I'm not wrong And honestly If people were honest with themselves They would say the same thing You get all these people being like

The car I got it back from the tire place So it's so much better And it's like When tires are worn out You put new tires on When tires are bad Or old especially or worn out

Or if you're from like K02s to all seasons Which let's be That's mostly one people But I went from pilot sports to pilot sport cups, new to new, essentially. I'll tell you, the only people who notice you change them are the people behind you because you throw away more rocks because I watch my stick with my goal. Which is a shame because being behind the career GT is where you want to be.

What's some of that sound? Next question from Cars Lover 365. Guys, what's your apocalyptic car choice? Oh, interesting. Fifth Gen 4-Runner. No, I was going to say a rafter. Kyan? No, I said, kind.

I was going to say a Raptor. It would be great. Fifth and Four hundred. The official cars and bids answer this question is a Pifton, four. First Gen. Raptor. 70 series land cruiser. Oh, that old thing, you get,

what if the apocalypse includes a side impact? Nobody, nobody around. I can go very far away and not up to learn, and I can get back on civilization? Can I posit something? The fifth gen four runner is the 70 series The difference is the 70 series land crusher you can fix it with literally a mallet.

Dude, the 5th Gen 4-runner, it's got halogen lights and you start it with a key and... Well, exactly. I start mine with a spoon. It's even easier. To make it stop, you reach your leg down into the car and drag it on the ground.

The 70 series is one of the least complicated cars there is. Everybody who complains about how the 70 series has never sold in the U.S. should just get a 5th and 4-runner. That's the 70 series. It's not quite as simple, but it's close. It's a lot safer. I don't know.

We almost got stranded in a 70 series in Africa when I was there. And it was so easy to fix and simple to fix. It was great. I'm just going to say this. Philippo and I one time in Laos almost got stranded. We had a fifth-gen-fourer. We were good. We were in the rice fields.

We didn't even get stranded. We had a 50th and four-run. I was in Botswana. We were in Laos up to our necks and water. Yeah, but we didn't almost get stranded. I have gone through water up to my not going to. Listen, when we, when we, when we, when we are driving around in Windowwick

and we go out into the desert we take our 5th Gen 4 run I take my first year out of the 70 I can't believe first gen Raptor you all have more capability okay quest this is a great question we're going to do two more to say great question the finest question I've been asked today

by anybody wow from Hammond you idiot what motor trend car of the year winners throughout history are the most and least deserving I'm gonna pull up a list because motor trend car of the year And by the way, I love and respect Motor Trend as a publication. I truly do. They generally have a tendency to award car of the year to some of the worst cars you could imagine.

I'll give you some examples. In 2001, the esteemed Chrysler P.T. Cruiser. No, that one I support. In 2002, the esteemed Ford Thunderbird, which I believe they sold 47 of and lasted for one generation. The 2007 Toyota Camry, a notable, notable, notable redesign for the car. It had that blue HVAC dial background. The 1997 Chevy Malibu. It was, yeah, that was bad.

That was exaggerately bad. The 2012 Volkswagen Passat, notably terrible car. New mid-sized sedan. The 2017 Chevy Bolt EV. There was hype around that car for an afternoon. This is a almost reads like a list, 2000, the Lincoln LS. It almost reads like a list of the biggest automotive failures in the last 20. years. Can I say two things? First of all,

203 was the G90. Genesis. Well, okay, so what happened in recent years to be perfectly fair on motor trend is that new cars have stopped coming out. And so they've basically just awarded it to any new car. But they have awarded the 2025. No, it went to the E class. Yeah, 2025.

It's January. Well, yeah. There are still a 25 model year. We're looking ahead. We're looking ahead. The Malibu is oh no, the 1995. I want to be clear also about one thing with Motor train car the year. The crisis is serious.

I want to be clear, yeah, the crowd cars won't. I want to be clear, also with one important thing about motor trend car the year. Until 2000, they split American car the year and import car the year. And they did that because they knew that if they let them all compete, American cars would never win. So, car of the year was an American car. And then there was import car the year, which was different.

Now, they combined them for 2001, and the winner of that esteemed, year was the PT Cruiser followed by the Thunderbird. It wasn't until 03 that import one, I will never forget when they award it to the 03 Infinity G35, which was correct. That's their only correct awarding. Well, in 1995, I just

thought the F50 was better than they have a price cut. They won't award it to cars like that. Which, by the way, is a lot of cars. The import car of the year, by the way, wasn't exactly better some of their choices. You know what, that's almost like, it's almost like a

like a cash for clunkers list is kind of what that feels like, to be honest. Some of the, oh, man. First off, in import car the year, they didn't award it for many years throughout the 70s. They just didn't feel it was necessary. The new Beetle won in 99.

That was an esteemed automobile. I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah, no, I stand by all these. That seems reasonable. The imports are better, but they're almost 12 sports cars. Julia won in 18, by the way.

There's another. For some reason, what I find interesting is sometimes they want to change their minds. For example, in 1985, the GTI was the car of the year because it was built at Volkswagen but in 94 the accord was the import car the year

but it was built in Ohio right yeah no that look there were there are some interesting cars on this list almost all them were bad the 2010 Ford of fusion wasn't that just a facelift no no it was wasn't that just the facelifted first-gen fusion

but they were warned it to the E-Class twice in the last five years it was the face which was a good facelift which was like a razor in the front they put guy Wierdo wheels on it. Remember that? Pull up the 2010 Fusion.

Let's look at the Gaiardo wheels. Anyway, the answer to the question asked by Hammond you 880 is 10. There was never a most deserving.

There have been many least deserving. I will say I am proud that in 13 they gave it to the Model S which is the right choice. That's a good looking car. Come up the Gaiardo wheels.

It isn't a great looking car. That's the guyardo wheels. That's that gray one. Look at those gyarto wheels. They are grayaredo wheels. I don't even, we all agree.

There is hard to find a good photo. That's it. That's it. Yep. Okay. The 300 M in 1988 was obviously the winner. God, I mean, just bad award after bad award. Final question from snob.

SNAAB. Snob. People always jokingly comment on your videos that when you review something it increases in value, has this ever actually happened? No. Trust anything exception says. No. People are as like, oh, Doug reviewed it. So now it's lost.

I don't have that poll. Nobody really does. I think the Maserati MC12. You reviewed it? MC12. No, there are a few exceptions. I do think I increased Vector W8 prices a little bit. I'm dead serious about that.

G-Wagon Cabrio, I think, had a huge increase after I bought one. I think I just raised awareness about it. I think people knew about it before. But otherwise, no, people already know about all these cars. I go up and say, oh, such and such is a great value. I mean, it doesn't change anything. Check the prices. They don't change.

It's like, oh, there's more people aware. Not really. Well, who's 600,000 people watch my video? Half of them are out of the U.S. You don't have to worry about this. You're good. I think there are probably new cars where you reviewed it in an increased demand. Yeah, yeah.

No, there's no doubt that new cars, some of my videos for new cars have sold cars. Not because you're like trying to sell cars because people want to know information. They want to know information. Like, oh, yeah, this fits my need. Absolutely. People coach me all the time of the street and say, I bought this car because of you. It happens almost everything. Do you think the opposite is true?

Yes. So some cars you reviewed and interest went down? You think I had an negative effect on the Maserati Ghibli? This is the first car I thought of, but no, it was just. a bad car. It was a bad car. It would have happened regardless. It was trash. Okay. That's our pod. Filippo, you got anything yet? Yeah, check out the car. on the app. Wow, we're still pushing the app. Yeah, why not?

Yeah, go on the app. The app's got all sorts of appy things. Anyway, goodbye, everyone. Lovely podcast, one of our best ever. Goodbye.