THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Every Generation of Porsche 911 Ranked, Lamborghini Urus Convertibles? and MORE! EP22

Episode Date: August 16, 2024

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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippo. And today we're going to talk about cars. Now, this week, Kenan is out of town, and so we've pre-recorded this episode, and so we have no news to discuss. So we're just going to get right into talking about cars, starting with some interesting Felipe-related content.

Go ahead. Yeah. I have a 2014 Mercedes-Benzi-350 formatic wagon. We found that out last week. $85,000 MSRP, fun fact, in 2014. Really? Oh, he's bragging about his original? No, but Nick, who's sometimes on the podcast and I have compared window stickers

because he has a heavily depreciated Kyan from the same year. His cost more originally. What was my sticker? Less. I think my M-Fives was $75,000. Yeah. Your association was right around mine. Yours is less.

Mine is less, and I got a 23 and my Sequoias was less. You're driving around a rich guy car. Correct. My spec is excellent. It is. That car has everything. Yeah, and a lot of it's breaking right now. Correct.

Yeah, the car is 10 years old. It has 110,000 miles. I bought it on cars and bids with 65,000, something of that. No way. You've put 50,000 miles on that car. You bought it like two years ago. 45, if you want to do the math correctly. But yeah, right around there.

There she is. There she is indeed. He bought it from a nice gentleman. He bought the car in Maine, and he's cumulatively driven from Maine to San Diego. Correct. Fun fact, I bought it in Maine, flew up there, drove back in June 3rd or something like that,

and then about three months later went back up to Maine within 10 miles of this guy's house. With some friends. But it's great. Okay, $65,000 when I bought it, $195,000 of that right now. Wow. It's been excellent. It's been like legitimately trouble-free until like six months ago.

And now things just kind of small issues arise. One big issue with brake lines and rust that only impacted the brake lines. Incredibly. But then there are small things. Like there's a rear air suspension as in all of these S212s. And that's making noises now. There's a bunch of other kind of small things that are just starting to wear, which makes sense what its age and mileage.

But I'm getting annoyed by it. It's just getting annoying that these things arise that I have to fix them. that I have to like, we're busy. I don't want to take time to bring it up to the shop, whatever. So I'm starting to think about what would I replace it with? Philippo, will you please just do what I have begged you to do? I'm not buying a E-Class wagon of your generation. Please, it's the greatest car any of us have ever owned.

I have just one rule in that's that I think my next non-performance car needs to be a hybrid and ideally a plug-in hybrid. I have a, it's a hybrid. What are you talking about? It's a hybrid. It's a 48 volt BS hybrid. The fuel economy of yours is equivalent to the fuel economy of mine. That does not work for me.

And I got 34 driving it from California, Massachusetts. 34. Do you ever get 34? No, but when I don't drive it, it gets like 30-ish. When you don't drive, oh, I see. No, no. My wife drives it. Felipe, the hybrid only.

The E-plast that came out in 17 is the single, greatest car ever built. Your wagon is over here. I drove it here from your house that went through a car wash for you. My entire thought, the entire time was, it's fine. That's the point.

That's what an E-Class is supposed to be. I already have that experience. I already have that car. I want a hybrid. I want a plug-in hybrid ideally. No, no. So which plug-in hybrid should I buy? Because I need a plug-in hybrid

because we regularly drive 500 miles at a time, and an EV is not great for that, especially because we're often, my wife's family is in Northern Arizona. There's not a great charging infrastructure through the middle of the desert. But my wife also drives frequently 20 miles at a time. And a plug-in hybrid would be perfect for that. Felipe, please, please, get the new E-Class. Philippe, I'm telling you, the E-Class that came out in 17, the 213 E-Class,

is the greatest car that has ever been made. It is the best daily driver. Forget about it. Don't think about it. Be relaxed and comfortable. I care about the environment. And I want a hybrid. I got a hybrid.

It's a hybrid. It says on my rate for fuel economy. It's a 40-eval hybrid that doesn't add any fuel economy. It's a hybrid. It's the same way, it's a hybrid that the Chevy Malibu was for years because every show of most Chevy Malibu's were 48-volt, mild hybrid. Mild hybrid. Here's a fact for you.

This is great. The Sequoia is also a mild hybrid. No, the Sequoia is an actual hybrid. I can drive it in full electric. If you feather the throttle light crazy and keep it under 12, you can drive it in full electric. And so I've been doing that. And so you're on a 25 speed street and you're going like 14, you know, and you're on electric. And people are like, why aren't you going faster?

And it's like, I'm saving the environment. They're getting passed by people walking. Yeah, you are. But I'm getting infinite miles per gallon, infinite miles per gallon. Which is the beauty of a hybrid. Can you do that in your wagon? No, you cannot. No, for some reason.

Filippo. It's not a real hybrid. I give you two suggestions. Big like regular battery. Yeah. I'll give you two suggestions. Number one, the E-Class wagon. Number two, Ford Fusion Energy.

Because it's the only plug-in hybrid I know. But please get an E-class wagon. Please. It's so good. All right. Can I give you guys the actual options that I'm vaguely considering? Sure. Vigly considering lightly used X5-45E's,

which are plug-in hybrid BWXXX. five. You would never buy that next. First of all, they depreciate so quickly. Second of all, though their fuel economy when it's not on plug-in hybridness is about 22-bony-three-allon highway, which is just too bad. XC90, T8, hybrid.

You would never buy it too big. You would never do it next. Slightly older, Porsche-Kayan hybrid. Those are 12,000. But that's not a real hybrid. You're going to say that. There is no way that gets better mileage than my E-Class wagon. There was no way. But it's plug-in hybrid. So like when I

No it's not No it isn't The original Kyan hybrid That came out in 11 Was not a plug-in hybrid It was a gas hybrid Look it up What do you mean look it up

I worked for the company The original Kyan hybrid The one that was sold from 11 to 14 Plug in hybrid system In the subtitle What year is that? 17 That's not an original one

And what did it sell for by the way It was bid to 1825 These are free But they have the same This also for 25 Which is it's a more heavily used car it's going to have the same problems. So then you get to, okay, my wife doesn't care about cars.

She won't really care. We're usually taking on road trips where she's driving it. Should we just lease a newer, regular car? No. And it turns out that every mid-sized crossover at the moment, excluding the RAF4, is available for about $300 a month as a lease deal. And that gets appealing. No.

Well, give me a better solution. That's still a plug-in hybrid. Rolution. Okay, $300 a month. I'm going to tell you what it is. Kenan, pull up E450 wagons. Type in, type in E class and then just look at 17s and up because it's too hard to figure out what they're called. I think they're called. We actually just sold a nice one for $30.00. They were E400 before, by the way, they had any hybrid. 400 wagon. We just sold a nice one for, for, oh, God, what is this year of stuff? Just type an E400 wagon. Go up there and type in. That's that gray one. Click on that gray one. That sold for 315, right? Filippo. you could buy this instead of spending 300 a month on a lease for 36 months,

that's going to cost you 10 grand. This will not depreciate 10 grand. Yes, it will. Because my car has. I bought it for 27K. I think it's worth about 20K now. You put 50,000 miles on it in a year and a half. And by the way, if you put it, if you put it to do that for a leased car, good luck.

I put 45,000 miles on it across three and a half years, which is right in line with normal leases. No, it's not. Leases don't give you 16,000 miles in year. They give you like a lot. especially the kind of low, low price leases you're talking about. 45,000 miles, three and a half years is 12,800. Fine. I would have driven 800 fewer miles a year and been fine.

Felipe, please, buy a knee-class wagon. It's the greatest car. This is even killing to even me. I think this is pretty good for that. If you guys, one of the real issue was buying this, find one that has distronic, find one that has any good options. None of them do.

Okay. Okay. It doesn't sound like a problem for me to be clear, but, you know. Wait, 22 seconds. Just type in E-Class. 226 is a wild price. 25K. Okay.

Yeah, that one was a total deal. That was a total deal. It was in New Jersey. You could have even gone it. You had your dream thing of driving it all the way across the country. Total bargain. If I'm replacing a car,

I need it to be a real hybrid. All right, Kenan, let's move on to your time. I'm not going to discuss hybrids with him. He's being irrational. And he's not accepting the fact that it is a hybrid, which it is.

And... Mild hyper. It's... Yeah, but that's like saying that I live in a mild house. It's still a house. Well, speaking of rational, while Doug has an aneurysm, we're going to talk about something that I... What I'm wrong about this?

You're not wrong. You're not wrong. You keep on him about this. But anyway, so I was recently thinking, a friend of mine when I were talking about, like, weird convertible cars. And he reminded me of this company that's called Newport convertible. engineering. Now, their job is they take normal cars. Sometimes there are

convertible versions that exist. Sometimes there aren't and they turn them into convertibles. But what was interesting to me is that they have a tab of their work on their website. There's custom converables, classic converals, and concept vehicles. Now, I would like to give a couple examples of each to demonstrate what this company

does because it's insane. I know what this is. Totally nuts. So we're on their right now. So we start with some of their custom convertibles. So 599 convertible version. Now, of course, that exists, the SA Aperta. But they did it in a different manner.

They took one and just completely lopped the roof off of it. And by the way, they did it in a better manner. And you want to know something about Newport? When I worked at Portia, we lost a day to this. Someone found this website, and this was 10 years ago. But the pictures on there, we lost a whole day like looking at these pictures. Newport does a pretty damn good job. They do.

They really do. Well, we'll get to that. Some of them are heinous, but they do the best job they can. But this 599 looks pretty good. 599 looks pretty good. But this one, this was one of my favorites, the Maibok-Landalei convertible. Which is a 62 or 57, I can't tell. Yes, and they turn.

And the way the convertible top sits is just on the trunk. I'm familiar with that. That's how my Fiat works. It is like your Fiat, yes. But I love the integrate. I just love how it looks like that. They've done multiple. What do you want them to do?

it correctly. Yeah, but it has a tonneau cover, too. Look at this mass of leather to cover up that, that major... Although that is absurd, I'm quite certain that the actual Maibok-Londelet, which was a production car, was the same way. I think that the top...

Lawsdale just means that, yeah. I think... I think it just sat there on the back. Maybe. Not great. But then here's one for you, Doug. No, no, no, go to the LX. Well, we'll get... No, no, no, all this up. I love this.

The G-Wagon. convertibles that they've made are so stupid because the problem with Newport convertible engineering and the problem making convertibles like this that people don't understand. So when rich guys in the Middle East commission these cars, what they don't understand what they're not thinking about is four-door cars cannot easily be made to be convertibles because you have door frames and doors and rigidity. So this G is the best example because when you try to make this G into a convertible, you've got to leave that B-pillar in for the doors to exist. And then it looks absolutely heinous roof up or down. This is not

a Newport convertible engineering problem. It's a fordor. This is why, if you ever wonder why there's no four-door convertibles, it's because of this. Look how awful that looks. Man, that is a tough, that's a tough looking vehicle. But yeah. But they did it. They did it. They did it. They did what the customer wanted to do,

which I love. But yeah, but they there are just so many that are like this. This cayenne is another great example. The cayenne is one of the all-time greats. Have you ever seen the wood paneled Kayan? No, I've seen photos of it. I know what you're talking about, but I have not seen it in person. Keep going. Keep going through these. They're so good. Go back to that Lexus LX.

Oh, yeah, Lexus LX is again one of their... Brutal. So good. Brutal. Absolutely brutal. It looks so silly. It looks so bad. Do you have a picture with the roof on? Oh, I'm sure there must be.

I don't know. Yeah, it looks even worse. And it's a tan top, too. You're driving down Shake Zey. Ed Road in Dubai and you have that and you look so much cooler than everybody else with their regular LX that has a roof. Look at the A pillar how it just curves here. It's like

Do they have anywhere they had to redo the taillights because the tail lights were vertical? I can't imagine they must try hard to avoid that kind of stuff. I would think so. But I mean it just goes... Is that a Range Rover sport? What is that? Is that a Ranger's a Sport? Oh, Tudor right, but like... They made them into Tudor

Look on that. That's cool. Yeah, so they do that with some frequency where they take a four door and turn it into it to a door. Does the person that commissioned that know that the Vogue exists? No. So they did an 812. Like it was clearly before the GTS was announced, but like it eventually ended up existing. But this is. Yeah, but they wanted to cloth soft top, not that BS.

This is, that's one of the ugliest cars that I've seen my entire life, by the way. And I want it. I want to be clear. I would like town rangeover. Yeah. Yeah, this 322 is really, this two-door 3-22. That's incredible. Many years ago, when I was in Pebble Beach many years ago, I encountered a Newport

convertible engineering L322 convertible range over at Laguna Seca. They actually had done it on a four-door, and it was unbelievably heinous. And of course, I was very jealous. Yeah, of course. I mean, this is a very aggressively ugly car, but I want it. Everybody was looking at like 288 GTO Evolutions, and you were looking at the thing. I love this. Also, the one with the top looks kind of like a...

Love with the Windows up. Like a Rolls-Royish-Colonon if you go to the next photo. No, no, no. There's some colon-v vibes there. That is so bad. The funny thing about these cars, the thing I've always loved about the Newport Converterable engineering cars, the cost to build them is astronomical.

And the value that it adds is approximately $4 to the total cost. That FJ Cruiser convertible. I think that's a lot of FJ convertibles. They're not uncommon. This is like, yeah, I think the FJ convertible was probably their most possible. popular thing that they do because we've seen them around like in Newport's they're in Laguna Beach yeah people have them they're not that uncommon but so I had an

observation about the classic convertibles that they've done the classics look like they should be that way like they kind of like track like this DB5 convertible looks like they didn't make a DB5 convertible didn't they I believe they I don't know if they did go along to the DB5 but here's a idea maybe if when they're making a classic convertible they just take the coop from the customer they go find a convertible version and they And then they just give it back to the customer and say, hey, look what we did. I mean, Rolls Roy's Kamar, that was a heinous car convertible or coupe. Right, true.

But I think the gem of all of this is their rangeover classic that they did. Oh, man. It's one of the roughest looking conversions I've ever seen. Where's the top-up picture? This one. Oh, man. It certainly seems like they started with a four-door rangeover, but two-door rangerover exist. You know, that, um, that, that,

Would be better to, I'm sure someone wanted a nice one, but it would be better to just buy a crappy one and just take the roof off and not have a cloth soft up and only drive it on nice days. That's probably the better way to handle that. A barquetta, if you will. Range Rover barquetta, yeah. I love the cars that are in the background here, by the way. Look at Newport and verbal engineering, these people are gods. And I love that they do this work. I love any sort of coach built or specialty made cars. And I think this is so cool.

Right. One final point on them is their concept vehicles, which I think are better than anything else. So there are some of these that actually make sense. So one, like the Lamborghini Uruz convertible, I actually think that look kind of cool. These are all concepts, and they're clearly renderings, and I wonder how they would actually make it work. It's not that nice.

They've already seen it that would make it work. They make it work. But I think the winner, of them all, from everything we've discussed, so far is the Porsche Panamara convertible concept, which is heinous. This is a first, this is a facelifted first-gen panamara that we're looking at.

And boy, if you have one of to want to do this, good luck to you, but oh, man, it's bad. I kind of do want to do it. I know, I love this. I don't think it looks that bad. I agree with you. I don't think it looks that bad.

I think it's so cool. Now, I do wish that they had hired, I don't know, literally anybody with Photoshop skill. To do this, but. What would this cost us do you think? I mean, we could, we could buy one of these panameras for like six, right? Yeah, 12 for a good one. Hey, wait, Kenan, I found an actual picture of one.

I'm going to text it to you. You hold up your screen. Okay. You picture one. It looks like it's got Saudi plates and this is what I want. This doesn't look bad. I'm actually into this now. Walk to that camera and just,

or not, hold it up. Wait, why don't I hold it up? Yeah, that would have made so much. He said it to our friend. Okay, all right.

Yeah, well, you just hold it up. But yeah, this is. I don't have it on my phone. Oh, no,

maybe I do because I send it. That is what it looks like. Can you, There's so many. That is not working. Oh my God. Here, here, here. Look at that. That's better. Thank you, Doug. I want that. That looks like a 928 convertible that they never made. Okay, we've gone way off the rails on convertible. That's what you do when you go to Newport. So everybody, I highly encourage you to go check out their website, Newport Converbal Engineering or Newportconverbal.com. It's a fascinating way to spend some time. I want to talk about, speaking of heinous vehicles, I want to talk about my Toyota Sequoia, which is heinous. and overpriced and oversized and, and embarrassing. Hard to find the parking lot.

I'm embarrassed to own it. I'm embarrassed to drive it. And it is great. And my wife even likes it. And we've gotten to the point where we kind of all agree that it was the right choice. But I've been off-roading with it because I go off-road. I drive on the beach all the time here. And it's been hard this summer.

There's been a lot of soft sand. People get stuck all the time. The Sequoia is doing great. This is the greatest off-roader that I've ever had. Are you at all concerned that it's the widest vehicle? Yeah, it's big, but we PPF the sides. Oh, you PPF the sides? No, just to the G-Wagon, actually, I forgot,

but I don't care about the sides of the Sagoiaway. Does it do better than the G-wagon? Yeah, it's incredible. You should see the thing. You put it in sand mode, and there's like 38 lines of defense. And people were like, you bought this big thing, it's not going to golf road. It's so big.

And it's like, well, I actually know it. It does a pretty good job. And I'm really like it. And I like when I'm in it. I feel powerful. Those camo fender flares. Just tell all your neighbors in your very tasteful village that I'm here. Look out.

Yeah, it's kind of embarrassing. It's very embarrassing. It does what I wanted it to do. It seats like 20 people and it goes off road really well. And it's exactly what I want. I have no regrets about buying it. And you have that and a meaning shortcomings. You have that and a G-Wagon parked in front of your charming New England house.

you should be embarrassed. Yeah, the G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-Begg . I'm not surprised that the Secagoy is great off-road. I mean, man. I'm not surprised that the Sequoia is great off-Roe-Roe-Roe-Roe-Roe. Had there been any time that you've forgotten that you've forgotten to put it into four-wheel drive, because you do have to manually put it into four-wheel drive. The weirdest thing about the new Sequoia is that unlike every other S-S-D-D-D on the planet, you don't, you're not driving around in an auto-a-wheel drive. You have to do it yourself. There's a switch, like in the old days. And so, yeah, no, it hasn't happened yet, but I'm terrified. Where have you gone? Like, have you gone?

I've driven it. I'll tell you, I drove it over the continental divide. No, really, though, it's been good. And everybody who made fun of me can eat their words. If only you could get a picture of it with a bison. I will. Do you want me to do that? I'll do that on the way.

Can you do that on the way back for me, please? I'll go to South Dakota or North Dakota, whichever place it is. All right, Felipe, give us something interesting. You got tires? Yeah, can I talk about Chevy EVs, though? You can talk about Chevy EVs at least deals. I see that in our little document,

but the deal has to be so good that it makes Kenon drop his draw. Can I time him? Yeah. Okay. If it isn't that good, I am going to, I'm going to make you drive a Honda Prolog. I would love to drive a Honda Prolog. Or an accurate EDX, first gen.

Slug, nice. Here's what's addressing about. an impression about Chevy EVs. So in general, EVs right now, pretty cheap to get least deals especially quite attractive across the market. Yeah. Chevy just came out yesterday with the Blazer EV and also with the Equinox EV that nobody has reviewed or talked about, but are out. Like, they're available. Okay. That means you can get an EV that's brand new to the market, 300 something miles of range. And the car that just came out yesterday is available for about. about $330 a month as a lease deal.

With what down? The Equinox EV. I'm looking at lease hacker, which is a great side of the aggregates that. The Equinox TV deal that they have pre-negotiated for you is 1572 do it signing, including taxes and fees. Kenan, can you pull up a picture of an Equinox EV? I have no idea what this heinous thing looks like. That's what's notable.

These are great lease deals and incentives. Isn't it wonderful when an automaker releases a car into heavy incentives? That's when you know you're really doing well as a car company. And the TV looks good. And I was able to find like one or two reviews. And it said that it was good. Not great, but good. Let me ask you a question.

Let me ask you a question. And I mean this with all the sincerity in my heart. In the past when General Motors would come out with undesirable cars, which let's be honest, was almost all of them. They were able to sell them without any problem to the rental car companies. But now they've come out with undesirable electric cars. And the rental car company want nothing to do with this trash. So this is what happens

So General Motors has been making undesirable cars For my whole life And they used to just pawn them off on the fleets And now the fleets won't even take them Which we thought was like the bottom of the barrel Like worst case scenario At least the fleets will take him Now they won't even take them

And so now their solution is to release a new car And the moment it is released To offer it with a lease incentive To make it more attractive, more affordable Do you want to know what the lease deal is if you're a current Chevy Bolt leasedy or a GM supplier or like a GM family,

$102 a month. Wow. It's a good time if you're in the market for an EV lease. And you should probably lease one for a bunch of reasons. Of course, the great humor in all this is then the results of that is they'll be all over Detroit.

And then GM executives will be like, we're selling these in big numbers. We're doing great. We're doing great on these. The thing is the, you don't actually looks great. Blazor UV looks fine. It's such a good car that Honda is building them alongside it. It's building the Honda version alongside it.

So that's a testament to something. I want to talk about the Honda Prolog a second. Can you pull up a picture of that? To this day, Honda won't let me review one of these cars because they know I'm going to be mean. So I'm just going to be mean without reviewing it. Let's do it right now. You want to put the Honda Prolog or the Accurz, which is the other Honda Prolog. No, I want to talk about the Prolog.

The ZDX is known to be bad. The prolog we should just discuss. So that the Honda Prolog, that's the Honda Prolog, and it's called the Prolog because it's a prolog to them making good cars. And the Honda Prolog has the following things that are good about it, six-log wheels. Unfortunately, I'm really concerned about them falling off. They really want to make sure it. Or probably it has the following things that are bad about it. Pricing, performance, equipment, reliability, desirability, styling, all of those.

So there's six-log wheels in the Pro column. and in the negative column, it's all of everything, actually, pretty much. Have you seen one yet? Nope, but I did see an Accurruder advertised by the Accurdealer outside of Costco yesterday. Didn't I send you a picture of Prolog that I saw on the street? I've seen one, to be fair. I've seen one. You've seen one?

But we live in San Diego where we see every new car that you can find one in San Diego within like a week of it coming out. Lots of new cars, especially lots of like new EVs. Not prologs. Here's what happens. Here's how someone ends up with a prolog. I'm going to tell you the story. They go into the Honda dealer looking for a CRV hybrid, which is a good car, a very highly competent car.

The dealer says, we don't have any of those, or we have two, but they're over sticker. But we got an electric car now, and it's called the prolog. And the person says, oh, and they say, yeah, and we'll sell it to you for $20,000 off. And the person says, well, what's the sticker? And they say, it's $25,000. And they say, oh, my God, they'll sell me this car for only $5,000.

And Honda says, yes, we will. And that's what happens, more or less. I, it's incredibly hard to disagree with that. Thank you. I love when things are consistent or like car stories actually happen. I'm sure this will like, this will materialize. You're meaning it into existence like you do with a lot of other things.

And you should pick up a Honda Prolog because I bet you can get one for 85% off. I don't know, but I got to be honest with you. I can't believe with the E400. Actually, I'm thinking about that for a while. Can I give, you can buy my E350 if you want.

I do not want to own any car. No offense. I don't want to buy any car. That car is very, we maintain it well. It's not clean, but we maintain it well. Can I tell you a fun fact about the Chevy Blazer? Sure. Ev.

I don't know if this is still going to be true because they keep changing their trims and specs. When they first announced it, it was going to be available as a front-wheel drive vehicle, as an all-wheel-drive vehicle, or as a rear-wheel-drive vehicle. And, Kenan, I know what you're thinking. What other car is like that? And the answer is none.

And that's why another reason why the Blazer-EV is a terrible car. You know, the Tesla has the selling points, the supercharger, the self-driving, the great range, the performance. Chevy's selling point was, we do front-wheel drive, we do rear-wheel drive, we do all-wheel drive. And as a result, no one has purchased

that or the Honda Prolog. Okay, can we move on to cars that people actually care about? Kenon, tell us about your M-5 and your withdrawals. Yeah, so as many people know, yet again, I'm talking about my M-5 if you're playing the cars and bids a drinking game. I've mentioned my M-5, so I go ahead and take a sip. But I have been, it has been stationary for a while now.

By the time this film, this comes out, it will already be back on the road technically, because I have, the ABS module is showing up on the, this Friday. And so it'll be back. I'll be driving it again, which will be lovely. But of course, I'll be on vacation now. And I'm just like, I just can't stop thinking about it. Like, I, when I, I'm very grateful that you let me your car. I'm very grateful that our friend Kevin let me his WRXSTI.

I just realized that I have to be driving. driving something I care about that is interesting to make me happy. It has actively made me less happy and less affable to be around because I just missed my car. It's like such an important part of my day and I look forward to driving in your car and that car, although your car is I prefer to the SDX. It's more fun. To my opinion. You prefer my 500 bars to your other friends in part of the WX-S-C-I hatchback.

Yeah, because that's more serious and like really brutally uncomfortable, but your car is like fun and busy and cool. But, and the SDI is cool in a different way, I guess. But I just miss liking driving. I've found excuses not to go on as many trips. I've found reasons not to go out and drive around. Like, I just don't want to drive. And when I do go out to dinner or something, I want to cruise down PCH, it's just, I'm just, like, I'm eager to get home. Like, I just, I'm over it.

Like, I just want to be out of the car. I don't want to be in the car. That's how much the M5 means to me that, like, changes the way that I approach my, like, life. And I just am so thrilled to use it, and it's so enjoyable. It makes me so happy. and not having it has been made me really sad. I miss it dearly. Have you considered falling in love with a car that's reliable?

You know, you say that. Flaas make the more human. You say that, Felipe, but the dude loves the car. You know, I've been thinking about this because I think about Kennan's finances more than I think about breathing and water. But I've decided that if he, you know, he loves the car. What can he say? It's changed his life.

He's sitting here saying that he's not as happy of a person on a day-to-day basis because he can't shift that lighted gear stick. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Like, you know, I also realize, like, I've spent a lot of money on the car, and especially recently. But I know I look like an idiot right now. Not to call BMW Classic, but they don't support their cars very well.

And for a variety of reasons, manufacturers don't want to fulfill contracts that have expired to make these parts. But there are parts that I have bought that, you know, Ryan has shown me how many are left in the world. And I'm not going to look like an idiot in five years when you can't get some of these basic consumable components. No, and you know what you should do is hoard them. Remember Carl did that when I bought my 4GD?

He bought like seats and steering wheels and stuff and was selling them for like 10x. That's a little, like I don't need seats and steering wheels, but I have kept around because the steering wheel can be rewrapped and so I can see. But I have bought components for the car that will keep it on the road for a very long time. And so I know I look stupid now. And I know like replacing the undivody plastic is ridiculous. But when like when you buy components when they're legitimately five of them left,

on the world and I buy one of them or like my lower timing chain guides when I did the system last year. I bought the last ones on the planet. You can't get them anymore. And so like- This is why you should hoard. Dude, and I'll tell you something. I did this with the 4GT. Can I go on eBay right now? eBay.com. Go right now. Type in. All right. So when I bought my 4GT, my garage situation was such that I had just that I scraped this front splitter coming out of my garage, right? And so I thought to myself, this car is out of production. This is six or seven years ago. This car's out of production. I'm going to get a 4GT. I'm going to get two extra front splitters. and I'm going to really corner that market

and I'll have them forever. So type in 4GT front splitter. You got to put 4GT in quotes. And so I bought two of these front splitters and I paid 500 bucks. And you know what they cost now? 500 bucks, yeah. You say this, but like, okay,

so steering, if you want to use the steering wheel example, I found that last night. The E395 uses the same wheels. I think it is actually a good strategy. Can I think it's something? For some reason, this particular part didn't work out for me, but generally this is a good idea. In theory. Now, I know people who have Duesenbergs here say they're actually sort of keep on their need to think.

There's a lot of aftermarket support. Like, the community has risen to make the components themselves. But the E39M5, although there are companies that make parts for that car, and some of them are very good and all their quality is questionable. Like, it hasn't risen to that stage because it hasn't needed to. It will eventually. But, I mean, but also will it? I don't know. Who knows?

thrilled that it brings you that level of joy and that you are willing to invest that amount of money to keep your level of joy up well i mean that look you you have to spend money on things that make you happy and that car makes me so happy every day i'm glad the real question is would a car that had a 10th the miles make you that same car that 10 the miles make you equally happy and be a better and best here's the thing no maybe here's the thing with that is like the stuff i've done you will have to do if you have one, period. You'll have to do it.

And when the components are no longer available, you're screwed. So, like, I just don't, I think that I'm also believer in one that has miles where every mile I drive it doesn't actively devalue the car. It's like devaluing the car. The happy medium, though, Kenan is not to daily the car. And I think, I'm getting to that point. I think, no, we shouldn't go down that road. If he's couldn't happy to daily drive it, he has a car with $235,000 miles.

I'm not saying you shouldn't. I don't think you shouldn't. But I'm saying if you wanted to keep the cost down, like Filippo just said, like I think the reality of the situation, is the way that people do, you're saying, if you have one of these, you have to do this. But the way to prolong the life of having to do this stuff is by driving it less. So if you were putting 3,000 miles on the car year instead of 12, some of the parts you're placing at this, this com, because you're using it so much would actually be stretched out three, four, five years. I'm not doing you could do this. I'm not saying you should do this.

But what I'm saying is, like, I have a suspicion that just less frequent use would probably cost you less. Yeah, I don't disagree with that, although really some of the parts will time out due to the rubber just, like, degrading over time. that's just life and I'll have to figure that out. But, like, yeah, I mean, there's something to it. Like, I'm also very precious about the car. Like, I've always been really careful about it. And I have so much money into it. Except for that one time you ran to that poor teacher.

Well, I was after that, it became really bad. No, I was still very precious to that time. And then that was one of the worst and most traumatizing experience of my life. So thank you for bringing that up. You're so well. Wow. But nonetheless, like, I just adore that car. I just think it is the coolest.

I went and sat in it the other day and I was like, oh, man, I just miss this car. I'm really, I think this shows the different, the key difference between Kenan and I. My car shift having issues that I'm like, I'm going to lease a lot of most people. You're not driving an iconic special. You're driving an E-Class station wagon. Before we move on, let's take a moment to appreciate Lexus Racing, the sponsor of this podcast episode. Lexus Racing has been built on a foundation of precision, innovation, and an unwavering commitment to excellence, much like Kennan. Last year, these elements came together for Lexus Racing and with their team partners at Vassar Sullivan. they won the 23 IMSA GTD Pro class championship with the Lexus RCF GT3.

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We have to move on to the market report. Marker report, Marker report. Doug, start us off. The report is brought to us by Cars and Bids. Cars and Bids is an online auction platform. You visit Cars and Bids.com. You list your car there for free. We sell the car.

We get all the money. Anything else, Philippa, that cars are you as a seller received the actual money. It doesn't all come to us. No, no, we sell the, you list the car. We get all the money. It's wonderful. We will get you the most money.

Is maybe what Doug meant to say. All right. Okay. A couple of things on Market Report, and then we're going to move on to questions because we kind of skipped it last week. Kenan, here's something incredible for you that you should be talking about.

Type in Audi RS5 to the search bar. Oh, yeah. I know what you're going to say. A great car. Are you aware that those V8 ones, which were only sold for two model years? Yes, 1516. It was 1516.

are now 25 grand. That's wild to me. Which is a beautiful car, styled by an Italian like all beautiful cars were. It is a naturally aspirated V8, 450 horsepower. They were tip only, which is kind of a drawback,

but it is beautiful. It is NAV8. It is fast. It's faster than anything Felipe's even ever driven. And it sells for 25,000 U.S. And it's rare. It is a rare and special car. Yeah, I love those.

of one of my coworkers at the exotic car dealership or worked at Arthur had one of these in white and oh man every time he showed up and it just looks, it's so cool. Great car. That engine too is one of the old time. They did him in 14, 14, 15. Those were the monoeuvres.

There's three years. But they're very, very, very, very rare cars. They didn't make a lot of them. And since then, they switched the RS5 to a turbo v6, which, by the way, has less power than the original NA. So even to this day,

the RS5 has less power than the original V8 one that came out back in 2013. 25 grand with 40,000 miles. Philippe, how come you haven't bought one of these? That's a good question. It's too old for you and doesn't have a... It's so beautiful. It is such a beautiful car.

You can tell when you look at that car than an Italian design it. Can I jump off this? Still looks good, that's how. All right, I have a question for you. Well, there's another sports car that's around the same price now, 20 to 25K. Okay. Just focus R S's. Somehow they have plummeted in like the last six months.

And Kenan, which would you rather have? Yeah, I mean, it's a very fair. It's a legitimate question, though. It's a couple of years difference. Yes. No, it's not. You only buy manual cars. This is a manual.

Well, that's true. But other than that, this is like the WRX and it's like it's not, it's not. I don't want to. And you would love an RS5. Yeah. I would have an RS5 as a daily and some manual sports car. And you could, that's an amazing garage. Great too.

You can put it together for 50 grand, an RS5 and a 996. That is a great garage for $50,000. And every time you take out your car, you're driving something special. That's a great garage. And every time you take out your car, you're driving something faster than a Felipe mobile. I mean, yeah. Low bar to clear. But that's a very low hurdle.

But you're right. I agree. Focus areuses have gotten cheaper. But yeah, it's a compelling car. I would choose the R.5 too. Boom. Everyone who choose the RS5. They're absolute bargains.

They look incredible. God, look at the RS5, that slab-sided beauty. Yeah, it is. I remember vividly when these cars came out

and I remember seeing an A-5 just for the very first time. I have pictures of it I took on myself, like with a cell phone camera in period. And it just like, and yeah, it is a very good looking, very, very, very good.

Of course, the current five series looks identical stuff. but the current yeah well that's because it was beautiful exactly the gram Audi realized hey we had we let's exploit this Italian who designed this car for us and let's just let it run forever because it was the only beautiful thing we ever created what's the name of the Italian that designed it Walter de Silva you know him probably personally it's a small country Walter yeah yes and it's such a cool car and yes of course they're still using that design. By the way, an interesting fact, and this is Ford admitting the Focus RS is not as good as the

Audi RS5. You know, the best package of the Focus RS was called the RS. Nice. That's so great. Well done. Okay. I have a market report topic for us that's going to be controversial, but I think it's time that someone says it. We all want to say it. Philippos wanted to say it for years. It's time to talk about it for years. The Mercedes-Benz W-124. and W126. Okay, so the W-124 was the E-class that was sold from 86 to 95. But more importantly, the W-126

was the S-class that was sold from like 83 until like yesterday, no, until like 91. And there has been like speculation that these cars will become desirable at some point. And they never have, and I have decided after a lot of consideration, that they never will. They simply never will.

People come to me and they're like, I got a perfect W-126, 560 SEL. Pull these up, Kenan. Type in 560 SER. And people are like, I got a really, really perfect one. Low miles, it's incredible. You know what? That's worth 10, 12. And the reason is actually Mercedes made the cars too good.

They are incredibly reliable. They are incredibly durable. They never break. They never fail. And so it's actually quite easy to find a low mileage, nice version. of this car. We've sold ones with 40,000 and 20,000 miles for 20 grand. The great shootup of 88 560 SEL values has never come and will never come. They are simply too good and too preserved and too easy to find. There's so many of them, yeah. You are a problem to have. You are right.

I'm glad that somebody was finally brave enough to say it out of that. I really believe it though because I've talked to a lot of people who are like, yeah, I'm hoard, I've got a few of these 560 scales, or I'm thinking about getting one because values can't stay low forever. And I'm here to say, they will. They are, they will. They're never going to increase. So go and drive it and enjoy it.

1-2-4s are interesting because I feel like 1-2-3s had a heyday. They, and there's somewhere something, but not a ton. No, you're right about that, but only a very specific 1-2-3, like a turbo-easel wagon with low miles. And even then, it's not like it ever got to 100 grand,000 like an air-cooled 9-11. Like, that was a rear car to begin with, especially kept in nice shape. But the 560 SELs are even more common in nice shape. S classes in general were preserved better because they were always nicer cars.

And SELs, they just, they didn't break. They were made really well. And they're just not rare. And they're not hard to find in nice shape. Great market insight, Douglas. It's a $10,000 car. It is all day. It might be the best $10,000 car in the world.

No, because the car you're a big. about to talk about, I think is the best $10,000 car in the world. Oh, man. Pull it up. Tell Canada. W. O2. We sold on cars and bids recently.

We've sold two unmoded OJWR. This one. No, the sedan. You can click on the wagon, but the sedan too. Wow. $7,400. I legitimately thought about buying this car. No, you did.

This car, this car, unmotted. Just like, so clean. For seven grand. Wow. Okay, so here's a theory I have about these. I've been sitting on the beach a lot just thinking about car market. Here's a theory I have about these.

I recalling that work or just? The Integra type R, okay? That's a car that has now become very valuable. A nice Integra type R is like a $50,000 car. Yeah. Tell me why this is any different. This car is more powerful. It has all-wheel drive as opposed to front-wheel drive.

It is probably wear. yes the Integrity Type R at 190 horsepower they said 227 it is probably rarer in unmodified nice condition because people knew to save the ITRs and they didn't save the impregas tell me why an O2WRX in like 15 years doesn't start to become like a super

turbo or a Z32 300 X I think you said it because people knew to preserve the other car and so I think it's like that mystique is just like grown and grown and grown and grown I don't know that these you're talking about an exceptional example exceptional examples being worth a lot of money one day. I agree $7,400 is ridiculously low.

It's got a 112,000 miles on it, to be quick. This car is a bargain. Yeah, I think it, I actually agree with you that it is a bargain, but it just isn't, I don't know. I can't put my finger on why. You know why? Because Subaru made slightly improved version of these, and Akira never made another good car.

They made the RSX type S. They made it never made another. A good car. That's a little extreme. I mean, it's a little extreme, but you get the point. Right? Like, it didn't continue. What, sir?

They made the RSX type S. That's not something. It had six-speed manual, one more gear. It had more power, 20 more horses. It was also a V-tech. It was also all that stuff. And in Canada, they sold a base model RSX with Hubcaps. Well, to be fair, the RSX is worth identical to what this WRX is worth.

No, they're all worth seven grand. A nice RSX pipeback. is worth like 30. No, no, no. This WX is undervalue. What, since one has a night, like that one was special,

but it's also an outlier. The rest are worth 20. Nice RSX type S is bring money. We just sold one for 15. We just sold them under for 18. If you added a 02 WRAX, a double. An O2WRX is not selling for 18,

even if it had one mile and Kenan licked the steering wheel. Uh, I don't want the tractor or value. I don't want my saliva on the steering. I would then clean it with leather cleaner. This car is a few. This car is a few. future classic. This car changed the world. It brought Japanese performance cars back to the U.S. after they all went away. It was the video game car, the first one that came. Evo didn't come to 03, GTR didn't come to 07. This thing showed up and said, yes, we will try performance cars in America. And now they sell. They are relegated to the corners of cars and bids where they sell for seven grand. It is a travest.

So what you're saying is that Mercedes-Benzes drive those cars not going to work anything. So you want to put a date on when this one will be worth something, just like you did with the land cruiser a couple of weeks ago, because I have it in my calendar. I'll add at this one too. Yeah, okay, well, I'll tell you another thing. 2.5 RS's, this is the real travesty of the whole thing. The previous model was sold in the U.S. from in the U.S. from 94 to 01, W.X,

they never did a W.R.X, but they did a 2.5 R.S., which was the performance version with 165 horsepower naturally aspirated. Nice 2.5 RS. itself for like 30. And this car, which has 50 more horsepower, is $7,000. So I don't know when it's going to happen, Kenan, but it's going to happen. The moral story is, according to Doug, if you have one of these cars and it's very nice and very clean and very unmodified. No one does.

Hold on to it. Exactly. This one was it, and you missed it. So congratulations to whoever won this one. It is quite a car. I want that thing so bad. I mean, look, when you go into the known flaws, section you see a front end collision in 04 a rear end collision o six peeling clear coat front bumper

shows signs of repaint foggy headlight lenses seepage under the engine the seller himself describes the ride as bouncy due to worn struts and shocks there's rust on the underbody engine bay wiper arms in real art real art and the air conditioning doesn't work but other than those problems this is so what do you think so it's going to modify the ever-living crap out of us Yes. This car is done. Dude, Kenan, this car already has had the engine taken out of it. It's already got some sort of weird short block in it, and it's on bad wheels, and it's already on neon.

Can I ask you a little question? When will the current WRX become worth something? The current value of the current WRX is actually the highest that it will ever be. Correct. Okay, I want to move on to questions. I want to move on to questions. We have questions, and we have to take them because the people want to know things. With pleasure.

They want to know things. Now remember, you can ask your own questions. You go to Carsandbids.com. You click on Community, and there will be a post there that directs you to ask questions. And we will answer the highest upvoted questions, no matter how bad they are. We will answer them, right? They're usually very good, to be clear. Can you remind the people of what Carsandbids.com is all about?

Carsandbids.com. It's an auction website. Okay, so here's what we're going to do. We're going to take. Now, last week only took a couple of questions because we had a longer market report saying because we had John Tamarian come in, guest star, and he was excellent. This week we're going to take all the questions

we didn't take last week, plus more. Okay? So we began with a question from IndCAN. Question for Doug, Kenon, and Filippo. What is one feature from an older, discontinued car that you wish was standard on modern cars? I'll tell you the answer, but I'm curious your thoughts.

That is a good one. Filippo. Filippo, do you need me to tell you? tell you? Well, I keep thinking, please do tell us. You guys are going to agree with this and then we're going to move on. But the 1998 Lincoln Navigator had climate controls on the steering wheel. The Prius does that now.

Maybe. Did it? I don't know. I don't know what the inside of what your Prius looks like. But that was a thing in the first few gems, first three gems. So if you wanted to increase the AC, it's just like how your car has steering wheel radio controls. They had climate controls. Whoa.

You say, whoa, but that's a good feature. Did it from 03 to, I don't know when. It is a good feature. It is hard. I had it a one Prius, and I didn't have that. I should have said second gen or third gen, depending on your definition on. That is my definition. I know.

I know. I don't give out no three. And I think it was 04, actually. Okay, do you have a better exam answer? No, that's a good one. A feature that was from the old school. Oh, you know, another one is vent windows on the front.

Yeah, that would be nice. Yep. I would like headlights that when something goes wrong, just keep working. Like, you just replace a bulb. That's not a feature that an old car's hand. No, but I have feelings about it. Dipsticks. Dips is a great one.

That is a great one. When we were in Italy, we spent some time with my sister, who also had a rental car, and she had an Audi A4 wagon rental car. Wow, nice. She got to check your oil. light, right? Because it's a 6,000 kilometer

Audi and that's what happens. Yes. It is exclusively in the infotainment system. So, like, okay, what do you want me to do? Drive it around for 20 minutes and then it'll tell me the oil level,

but then I can't do anything about it because it, like, yells at you if you open the hood and the engine's hot. There's no dipstick. There's no dipstick whatsoever. It's just... It's so simple. It's so simple.

It was technology that worked. I will stick with my other... Yeah, it's... A key that you twist to turn on the car I still like that person But I'm sticking with the dipstick I think that the disti What are you a Porsche 9-11 fanatic

No I'm like a quarter step removed from one Quarterstep is right All right Kenan that is not an acceptable answer Dipstick is an acceptable answer Dipsick is probably the right answer Dibstick is probably the right answer although the client control You and I win he came up with nothing

Okay next question from oh yes yes Doug, a billionaire offers you $3 million to drive to Barrow Alaska in the heart of winter in your kuntash. You're allowed to use anything necessary to complete this journey, but if it's late fall and, but if you're late or fail, you get nothing and you're presumably stuck in central Alaska or equivalent with a kuntash. Apparently in January, he didn't say that at the start. Would you do it? Is it $3 million taxable, but what do you think? No. Okay.

Yeah, I'd probably do it. I think I could do it. Would you do it for two? I'll go with you if you give it. me something from that $3 million. Would we have to fix it or what? No, you could use a $3 million to fix it. Bring some tools.

You're allowed to use anything necessary to complete the journey? Including a tow truck? I'd bring George Evans and I'd charge him whatever you want. I'd tell him I'd give him half million. And then I'd get two and a half million and we'd definitely make it. There you can just talk about Kuntosh just the whole way. And LM.O2s and all those cars. We would talk about what we would do with the money.

What amount of money would you do it for? Like, what's the minimum? Oh, that's a good question. I'd probably do it for, well, what would George Evans do it for? Because he's riding with me, and that starts to become the problem. Would either of you do this?

Yes. For notably less money. How much do you go for? What would I have to pay you to do? You do it for $100,000? In what car? I'd probably do it for $100,000. The Kuntash.

Oh, yeah. As long as the $100,000 doesn't include taxes. Like, snow-time. Yeah, I would do for $100,000, no question to ask. It would be long. It would be fine. It would be exciting. I've never been to Alaska.

Not after the third day. Now, as long as I have my air pond so I can kind... Because the noise is very exciting in short bursts, but man, you've got to drown that stuff out because those carbs are... I got a stereo in there. I listen to music. It's really not good. That's the point of the car.

It's an interesting premise. I mean, there is a guy who drives... It's not a kuntosh, but a guy... with a 3-08, Brian's questionable decisions on Instagram, is driven his 308. I think he drove it to Dead Horse Alaska, which if memory serves, is the most northerly town in the United States, I believe. But he drove that through Canada,

drove it back, drives all over the West skiing, and you can see this car constantly. He ever been posting it in a year. I wonder what happened? He got tired. But he was leaving some national park, the throttle cable snapped, and he had to, like, figure it out on the side of the road. And it's just so cool.

Like, that's so interesting. We did that. Right. Yeah, for the keychain. The keychain worked. All you do the keychain. Replace to throttle or fixed a throttle cable on the side of the road. That is exactly right.

No cold ones. No cold ones. All right. Okay, next question from Bradley Bronson. Keep, sell, or destroy. Mercedes A-Class Mitsubishi Mirage, B-9 Tribeca. Okay, I know which of these is my favorite, but I don't know if I want to keep it or not. I do.

The A-Class is your favorite, but you don't want to. No, no, no, no. The B-9 Tribeca is the absolute favorite of these. I will keep that one. I will sell the A-class. and I will destroy the mirage. Yeah, that's the answer. Kenan, do you have any different?

Also, for what it's worth, the B9 Tribeca is the one that's worth the least out of these. So there's no point in to sell that one. That's a good point. It's traffic to me. Next question also from Bradley Bronson. Doug, when will you buy a Fiat multiply? Fletpo, do you want to answer that one? Doug and I have talked extensively about whether we should buy a Fiat multiply.

If you think we should, write to Doug personally and convince him. No, I don't know. I kind of want one. But it's so hard to find a good one. The answer for me is never, but I would contrival. tribute to Fiat, so Filippo's Fiat multiple fund. It might happen at some point. Dude, the one I drove at Lane was good.

It was like, I'm not screwing with you. He was legitimately good to drive. It's a great car. I only saw one. In three weeks in Italy, I saw one field multiple. It is sad, is it. I remember when I went to Italy in 11. Yeah, no, 10.

They were pretty around. And these days, second-gen, Second gens are around. Second gens are around. Yeah, you see second. You want a first. You need a first. You don't want that.

I don't want a second. Man, I would be so good. If I want a second, I'm just going to buy an Opel Zafira instead. That's exactly right. If I wanted a, if I wanted a normal looking car,

I'd get an Opel Zepira. I actually like how the Opel Zafira looks. It's kind of like a second gen field multiple. Yeah, that's true. Or any other MPV. So, yeah. Right. It's a big ya honor.

You know what it looks like is the Kia Rondo. which fun fact was sold in the U.S. with seven seats Kenyon doesn't know what that is. No. Nor does you believe that you could fit seven humans in it. How often do you think a car comes up that Kenan has never even heard of but was sold in the United States? I'll tell you three times of the last question.

The A class wasn't sold in the U.S. though, so, yeah. Okay, this is next question is a great one. This is for me and Kennan. You can step out of this one. Luke 26, what would you rank every generation 9-11 from best to worst? Do you know the 9-11 Gen's well enough to do this? He doesn't. Yeah, of course I do.

No, no, I'm saying you, Philippe. I'm saying you, Kenon. Fleet goes out. Best. 993. 997 after 993. You got to go 9-6-4 after 993, I think. Do you think that 9-6-4 is better than 997?

I think that 993 is the only good one. No, I'm kidding. Wow, damn, a purist. Well, wouldn't I have said a G-body? Okay, 993. Worst is, I mean, I hate to say it, but like, I'm not a 991-992 guy, and I'm not an old-school guy. So, like, the old cars, the 60s ones can duke it out with the tiptronic stuff. And then you put 996 above those?

That's a good question. Damn. Okay, 993 I still think 997 I mean you're talking about just the base 9-11 Or like the whole range of 9-11 Pick a 997 over a 964 I mean the feel of that air cool with the old school

Shift cable I mean that those are incredible I mean but again like So we're just comparing base model 9-11 is what you're saying I think we're talking about the whole range Gt3RS 4 liter I mean you're going to say that you'd rather be driving I guess you've built the comparison of that would be a turbo 36 but right i mean a turbo 3 6 is a really cool car and i would rather have that than well i don't know

four liter is pretty cool um that is difficult to say that is really hard if if you if it were base 911 to base 911 that is a more apt comparison and changed so that let's say it's based 911 9 9191 9 1 i love i do love the 9991 and the base one is really good and i won't want this as a daily at I think that would be really cheap. We are finally getting cheap. 967. 996. Does the puffy count?

No, no puff. And then the old stuff, which I don't get into. Well, I guess it would be G-body above the like the K-body cars. Even then,

though, not my thing. I don't know. Yes. Yeah, I'd have to come back to that. I'd really have to think about that one. But yeah, I do think,

I agree 993 is the best. And I agree that the early stuff for me is like I'm not as interested in any of that. I'm thinking now, if I had them all sitting here lined up with the keys in and what would you rather get into? 9.93 first. The second one I would rather get into is now to 997. It would be a 9-6-4. And then the next one I would get into for base 9-11s would be a 991 probably. And then a 996 and then a 997.

9-9-9-7. I would put the 997 above the 996. And I love the 996, but I think that, like, yeah, base, I think we're close. I think I would do 993, 993, 997, 991, 964, then kind of, I guess. 992 I also is down there for me. 9.92 is down a little. Okay, here's an interesting one. What if it was turbos?

Oof. 993. Yeah. Still number one. But then 997. Yeah. And then 964. Probably 964 is next.

Then 996. This is a great version of the question because it neutralizes the new ones because you wouldn't want the automatics. Right. That's so true. It does. Yeah, I would say after, yeah, man. Yeah. I think I agree.

I think I probably would put the 996 above the 930. But 930 is so cool. But yeah. I would do that. It would go 993, 997. 964, 996, 930. I apologize to anybody who's not a Porsche fan. I've been thinking about my favorite Porsche

McCann generation from Bestborn. The only one? Okay, we have one more question, one more question, one more question. Good question. One more question. And it comes to us from AC 1592. And the question, no, let's do this question from Amantron. If you all had to pick one car to own from each other's car history, what would it be? Oh, whole history.

Well, that's easy for Kenon. Very easy. But, yeah. From yours. I mean, I don't want a 525. You want my 355? No. No.

No, no. 355. It's easy for me for a dog. It's got to be the Kuntosh. That's the coolest car. It's got a V from Lamar V10. I don't, you keep it. I want to hear those cards going, you know, it's a car.

sucking away. I just want to hear, I just love the Kuntosh. Every time I get to start it for you is a good day. I feel better when I leave. It's so cool. I sure is not the, well, no,

the way I started, it's just, because I know how to operate it. But I just love, I just think that car is the coolest damn thing. It's so awesome. Doug, from your car history, I would shoot out of the Ford GT

or your E-63 AMG wagon. E-450, all-terrain is what you do. should choose E663MG Wagon. You forfeited the alternate and you should choose it in real life too. No. I would choose Fiat's Fiat's Fiat. Yeah, you don't want my E53X5 stick. No, I thought about that, but no.

No. What about my... A barth is the coolest, for sure. Yeah, Abreast is the coolest. It is fun. It's rough, but it's fun. Those are good questions. They were all lovely.

Oh, by the way, there's one other question I want to answer. It's from Alex F505. He says, when Cars and Bids first started in 2020, the cutoff for cars was model year in 1980. How was this decided? And we're a lot of thought put into the exact year. First off, the premise is wrong.

It was never 1980. The cutoff was always 1981. And the reason for this is, and to answer the second part of the question, the 17-digit VIN came in 1981, which we felt when we were launching the business would make everything a lot easier to verify in terms of Carfax. And just like VIN,

it's very difficult to keep track of pre-1980 car, pre-1981 cars. and serial numbers, and you start getting into like block stamping and things like that. And it's a lot more challenging. And so, 1981 was always the cutoff because of the 17-digit VIN. And also, you know, the 80s and, I mean, those two things kind of were able to combine. And we do turn down, by the way, 1980 model cars. We don't sell those.

We never have sold those. Correct. And there's never been a 1980 car on cars and bits. Only 81 to the present. Correct. That was off-camera. Sorry, Doug. My microphone.

Okay, there we go. That was our finest podcast ever. Kenan, I hope you're enjoying Monterey Carby, which was where you are right now. I'll come with stories for the next podcast. What's that? I will come with stories to a gale everyone with for the next podcast. Alipo, meanwhile, fix your headlights. You've got to be able to see.

Indeed. Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye.