THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Finding the Coolest Turo Cars Around the World! Time to Buy a Bugatti?! and MORE!

Episode Date: November 1, 2024

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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Nick. And I'm Doug, and we're here today to talk about cars. Nick has worn a Halloween costume. He's one of those wavy men outside dealerships. Ready to sell some cars. Now, we are recording this podcast on Halloween.

It's not going up on Halloween, so it's not really going to land as well. That's all right. Some people wear the costume the next day. Get some extra mileage out of it. This episode is brought to you by Turro, which is my favorite vehicle. renting service. We'll get to that later. Today launches the Doug collection on the Turro homepage. We're going to talk about it later in the podcast. But first, we'll start with the news. Ah, yes, Scout. Many years ago, Volkswagen bought the Scout brand name for back in the 70s, and they are going to use it

to create electric SUVs. A lot of people say that the scouts they just revealed look like Rivians, but I think that the Rivians look like the original scouts. There's a little, my, message for you. I guess. Here's the thing. The reason that this is an annoying news story, take a guess when these cars go on sale. You know about this yet?

No. 25. 27. Yikes. They announced this thing three years early. You're getting a little hot. Getting a little warm in this thing. There's some regrets about wearing the Halloween costume today.

Just a few. Three years early. This is one of the most annoying things that automakers do is announce products. so far ahead of time that there's a ton of hype generated and then people either forget about it or don't care or the product is already outdated by the time it finally comes out. We're going to have three years to acclimate ourselves to this design to think it's cool, to think it's special,

and then finally it will come out. It is so stupid. And by then, Rivian will have done another refresh that will look very different and these will look outdated. And who knows what else will come out between now and then? You know, I'm a big proponent. I've lived on the Internet for 15 years. I'm a big proponent of you announced something the day you launch it.

Yep. I definitely agree with that. I mean, the NSX is a great example of one that got teased and they came out and it was boring. The AMG Project One still kind of not out. You take whatever and people, the hype grows and then it's, it'll never be as good. You want hype action. You want to translate hype. You want hype to turn into orders immediately.

Yep. Apple used to do the iPhone event on Tuesday. Friday you could pre-order. Yep. Boom. Win on Sunday, sell on Monday. That's right. Yeah.

The ID Buzz with another Volkswagen product. Yeah. products, same thing. You know, the only company I can think of that did this okay was the Bronco. They teased that for like three, four years and it came out and it was still hot and we weren't tired of it, but I think they're going to run into some issues here. I think the reason

this happens is because there's an enormous amount of suppliers and people who are like in the know, and if you don't announce it early, you risk it leaking and then you can't control the photos that come out or the way that it's talked about. And so you'd rather do that. And they can't trust all of the suppliers and all of the

internal people to someone will leak They can't like literally wait until the day before it's on sale because by then it's already. But it's just so annoying. There's all this. I mean, by the way, to talk about it, it's got some amount of horsepower which they haven't even announced yet. And it's going to do zero to 60 and three and a half seconds and I have a billion pound future. It'll be cool. But see you in five years, scout.

Right. Thanks for showing it to us. See you never. So the moral story is just get rid of it. We'll be talking about the next election when these things finally come out. We'll be like, is Trump going to run again? All right. What's our next news story?

Ah, yes, a pickup truck has been revealed. Did you see this? Yeah. What do you think of it? Not a looker. This is the Kia Tasman. This will not be sold in the United States. People are like, I'm not sure if they'll sell it here.

It's not built in North America, so they can't realistically sell it North America because of the trade agreements. But it is heinous. However, don't you think if Toyota came out with this tomorrow and sold it here, people be like, whoa. The TRD badge on it? Yeah, throw a TRD badge on this thing, some all terrains. It reminds me of my two-year-old's T-Rex matchbox cars. Like, it's kind of like a T-Rex truck.

And you know what? That's kind of cool. Yeah. I guarantee you if this wasn't a Kia and if this was being sold in America with a turbo diesel V6, people would be like, that's cool thing or something. Is this an EV, I assume? No, it's diesel. It looks like the EV-9 design language to me, so I assumed it was electric to be that quirky. Kia and Hyundai have realized that, like, instead of making boring-looking cars, they said just make crazy-looking cars.

And it has worked some of the time. And it has not worked less than that. Yeah. Like, it is mostly successful. The new Santa Fe, people actually talk about. Nobody's talked about the Honey Santa Fe since it came out. Is it true? 20 years ago.

And now this maybe goes a little far, but it's also cool. I think it's kind of like a sloth, has its eyes kind of like on the side of its head. Well, and trucks are just trying to like one up each other by being more boxy, more trucky. And you can't, you can only take it so far before your truck is too big to fit on the road. So this is a good way of making it macho and masculine without overdoing it. an interesting concept of how important the Asian markets are of these brands. They're going to make a truck and not even sell it in the United States with the land

trucks, but Asia's got a big truck market. I wonder if they'll sell Latin America. That would be cool. We might see a couple. You know what I saw today on the way to work? A B-Y-D-Y-D-Y-Wan. Oh, really? Yeah. You might be saying, what is that? I don't know. I don't know either. I couldn't tell you if it was a crossover an SUV. Build your dreams, you know? Build your dreams, you know, on the Mexican market ones, it literally says, printed on the hatch, build your

dreams, like written out. Just to really drive that home. Yeah. And then it said Yuan plus. It wasn't just the regular Yuan that I saw. How thrilling. Anyway, Kia Tasman. All right, Nick, take it away. Tell us about your hero. The O-4-rich,

hoop-dee master, Tyler Hoover, got a Bugatti. And he had to trade in his Z-8 for it. And another car he hasn't disclosed yet. But this is next level. I mean, he comes from an S-LAR, Kuntash, an amazing collection, but I mean, anyone that grew up in this era thinks the VEVe is just the ultimate, ultimate car. So, super excited for him. It is currently broken. So it has no reverse gear.

It, as you can see in the picture here, it's missing the whole dash piece to try to get to it. It's on back order. There's some other issues with it, but I assume that means he got a good deal on it, and it is so cool. I love the racing blue two-tone page job. It doesn't run, though. I mean, you know, that's an issue. It runs. Well, okay, but it doesn't go backwards. Same thing. It's something to do with the shifter, though, and not, like, an actual mechanical problem. It's more the, like, interior trim and... I do like for the thumbnail that he happened to get in front of the heinous H.R.E. wheels that it has

because it's not on stock ones anymore. So this car was apparently originally owned by some kid with a rich parent who, you know, it worked out that he was able to get one, and the kid had a lot of problems with the car, and it's bounced around, and now Hovey is having problems with the car, before he's even taken delivery of the car. The dealer's fixing... it before it sold. So they structured it into the deal that the dealer will repair it before it is delivered to him. So that's why all the shots were done at the dealership as they're still waiting

for the parts to come in to repair. Are you a little sad as I am that this is this? Like when I saw this piece in a Veyron, I assumed there was this machined aluminum like tunnel behind it that it connected to. It's actually just held on with plastic fasteners like every other trashy car trim. Yeah, it's a car. It's a million dollar car. I want machined aluminum tunnels. Well, it's not. It's The whole car isn't hewn from one piece of aluminum. If I'm Pence spending a million bucks for a car, I want it to be hewn from a piece of aluminum. You know what makes me sad?

Is Stradman has had one now? Hoovys had one. Ed's had one. You don't have one. That makes me sad. I'm not getting one. Yeah, you need to. You need to understand.

You're going to lose your YouTube credentials if you don't get a Veyron now. You don't understand what these cars cost to own, and neither do these guys. By the way, they're... McStradman found out. So, Stradman found out because he maintained it properly, which is ironic because when he went to sell it, people took like value away from his car because Stradmando in it. When in reality, he like sent it to Bugatti dealers to get serviced. Ed straight up told me he's just going to ignore stuff unless it becomes the problem.

And look at this. You think Hoovey in Wichita is going to find the Bugatti dealership? They got a Porsche dealership like last Thursday. I think that these guys don't understand what this car, to own it like I would want to own it. Like Kennan would want to own it, not like you would want to own it. I don't think you understand what it costs to own. You know, behind that beautiful brushed aluminum trim panel is a lot of like connectors, and they look like every other Volkswagen Audi group you ever worked on the same.

So probably. Yeah, it should be fine. No problem. Should be fine. I'll tell you this. Mani Koshpin tried to sell his day around on Brigh a trailer. Didn't sell. And he posted his service records.

And I have never seen anything like it before in my life, including he did a tire change. at Bugatti of Newport Beach. Bugatti of Newport Beach, this is the wealthiest area in America, Newport Beach, Newport Coast, that area where Manny lives. Bugatti of Newport Beach can't do a tire change. They had to send the car to Bugatti of Los Angeles to do a tire change, which was like $50,000. And I spoke to Ed, and Ed told me to this day

there's only two places in the world that are capable of doing a tire change on a Veyron, Bugatti of Los Angeles, and the factory, which is in France slash Germany. which is why it's on aftermarket wheels is that's the only way to sustainably have tires and wheels you don't have to replace. Yes, right, because every third tire change

the wheels have to be replaced, is my understanding. Think about that. This car is on a level of impossible to own that is truly, honestly, difficult to describe to people. Coach Ben also did like an annual and it was like an oil change. It was like $30,000. I'm not screwing with you.

It was wild. When I saw that, I've always kind of wanted a vay run. When I saw that, I was I'm never on this car. Hovey did mention that 30,000 he's going to have another video where he goes into the ownership cost. I think it'll be a really fun series to watch in terms of just like how badly he gets destroyed

maintenance. You know, I think it just further drives home the point that like the shir-on, what Bugatti realized like, okay, they did. And so if you're, you won't want to drive actually the shoe-on makes sense. But the problem is the shirons are three-mill.

The Bugatti realized, though, they got dragged for the cost of ownership of this car, and as a result, these cars have not done well in the used market. A P-1 double. The 9-18's double. La Ferrari's triple.

This car is like less than retail still, and it's because this reputation exists with bad to own. But you know what the thing is, I was thinking, we all know, you and me, because we've had a bunch of these, mid-2000s Volkswagen Audi products,

were all terrible, right? They all had reliability issues and this and that. This is like the final boss. Imagine if you went, like we all know the Bentley's are bad. So Audi's, the Audi's are bad. Like the S-4s, they have problems. And the Bentleys are bad, right? That's really bad because this is like,

the absolute worst Volkswagen Audi mid-2000s car you could get. It's like take all of that unreliability and put it in a million-dollar car. Yeah, and just make it as complicated as possible. It's four turbos on it and make it a W-16 for some reason. Right. And just roll that nice. I do have to say, though, I do wonder if that actually increases the value in the long run, that the story and the lore of how difficult it is and how only enthusiasts really grasp to it

will weed out all the losers basically and make it to the... McLaren F1? Famously is as difficult tone as this car. You need a gateway computer with MS. DOS on it, right? Like, whatever the thing is. More or less, that's exactly accurate. You unlock the ECUs by playing Tetris. So anyway, good luck to Hoovey.

He's obviously insane. I don't know what he paid for the car, but he's a crazy person, and I'm excited to see it all go. What is our final news story of the day? Ah, yes. The Porsche 992. Correra T has been announced. Now, the Carrera T has always been like the stripped out version of the 9-11.

You won't be interested in this because you hate all Porsches, except for your client. The T is the enthusiast. So if I were to be interested in one, it's the good deal one that's also geared towards enthusiasts. In theory, but, of course, you will still hate this car because there are a lot of pedantic little details. I will buy it in 15 years for 45 grand. But the big details that matter. So it retains the 3-liter twin turbocharged flat 6 that's found in the normal base car. but which is 388 horsepower and 332 foot pounds of torque.

Plenty for like an enthusiast to use. The critical thing though is available with a six-speed manual transmission only. No PDK option and not a seven-speed manual, a six-speed manual transmission. It is pedantic. It is pedantic. And there's a cab that's also manual on that. They're also making a cab, yes. And of course it has a walnut shift knob, you know, to kind of harken back to the 917,

although I know that was Beechwood and, you know, you're used to using one yourself. But I think the other big thing that Porsche and now is, that's really important is that they're going to continue to develop gasoline engines. It's not going to be all electric, which is a very big deal. It's not over. It's not over. No, I actually think this is amazing. Remember, like, the B7Rs 4.

A lot of cars used to come out manual only for the enthusiasts. So the fact that they're not even giving you the option is just like gives it so much credibility in my book. Are there still manual only cars? No. Focus ST was, the Focus RS was the FOST were gone. That was one out of production in 2018. Yeah. there's probably one or two out there that you're not thinking of.

I don't think so. There are a handful of cars that are available with manual transmissions. Remember the 9-11R came out and it was like a million dollars to buy one because I thought it was going to be the last manual? That was like 27 years ago. That car is critical because it proved, and particularly when those cars sold later, there was a market for it. And I think if that car hadn't, that's one of the most important Porsches,

I think, Everett Con, because it proved that they could sell man to transmission. Which just blows me away to this day why Ferrari doesn't follow suit and give us a manual, the manual car that we want. One wonders if they will. put a click clock. You know what? Is manual only? Acura. Makes the Integro Type S is manual only. Boom! Take that. Okay, our next topic of conversation today, we want to discuss my Turro favorite finds. So Turro calls us the other day and they say, hey, you want to put together this favorites list of all the favorite cars that are on Turrow.

And so we started looking. And there is an unbelievable amount of crazy stuff, let's say stuff, on Turro that people can rent. And I'm not just saying there's some crazy stuff on Turo. I mean, people have some really unusual automobiles on Turro, which we're going to discuss shortly. By the way, but before I do that, I want to give a little bit of a shout-out. I just rented a Turo this week.

I was in Vancouver, Canada. King Yin, Lexus NX, killer. All right. Okay, all right. Let's talk through some of my Turo favorites. I found all these Turro cars that people, that you can rent on Turrell, and there's some absolutely wild love. 308 GTS.

Pick, pull up, pull up that 308 GTS. I really want. Where is this thing? This must be, Hollywood. Hollywood, yeah, L.A. So you can go into L.A. You could fly into L.A.X.

Dude. And you could pop into a 308 GTS. That is crazy. Open top, red Ferrari. That's pretty great. 4.98 stars. Wow. Now, of course, it is an I.

It's an I? Yes, it's a two-vel fuel. injected car, so it ain't going to be quick, but you're click clacking in a vintage Ferrari. I wonder if the LA market has a lot of these cars particularly exciting because people rent them for like video shoots and stuff like that. I suspect, yeah, that's probably why. And film, but look at this. You could literally land at LAX and instead of getting into a Hyundai accent, you could be driving

around or in a 308 GTS. People have done 91 trips. Let me ask you a question. You got a 308. Is the first thought you have, hey, I want to rent this thing out on Turrow? I think it would be the last thought I Nick, you want to rent your car on tour I have applied to be a host on Toro

however in true Maserati fashion there's a safety recall that was never done seven years ago and so my car failed to meet the standards of Turro I found this out only after driving my kids around 1,500 miles to everywhere I could think of so let's hope I don't die So a couple things. Are you going to do the safety recall?

Okay, you would think Maserati dealers were not in good shape right now and you would be 100% right the dealership closest to us, I've tried to call them five times. I've left two voicemails. At one point I was speaking to someone and they just hung up on me. Another time they go, what's your van? And I go, so and so, so.

Then they transfer me to someone else's voicemail. So I end up, I have another thread going with Maserati, North America. And I'm like, hey, I don't know what's going on with this dealership, and I won't name them. But they seem to really not want to help here. And they're like, sorry to hear that try another one. Like, that's their solution. So I don't know if I can even get the recall done because Maserati's like, We don't associate with you anymore.

It is your grand dream to put this car on Turro. That's like been your dream since the day you bought it. Yeah, he's like frothed. He just like really wants to just will this into existence. My neighbor has a yellow cyber truck on Turro, and I can't let him be the king of Turro in my neighborhood. It's like a turf war. So my car would be way cooler.

What is the primary reason that you want to run out your Maserati on truck? The primary reason is I paid 14 for the car. I'm really in the car like 19. Right. But I want to say that I own the car for free. You think you get $19,000 in tour rentals? No, I think, no, I would only need to make five to close the Delta there. I think it'll also sell for way more than I paid for it on cars and bids because it's a great platform.

Nice. Thank you. Yeah. I need to close that gap a little bit because I think that's maybe too optimistic. So if I can get like $1,000 or $2,000, like that should do it. So you think you just want to rent it out a couple times? Well, I also want to get as many miles on the car to prove that it's reliable. So if someone can go drive the crap out of it, I'll do unlimited miles.

Like drive it a thousand miles. get to Maryland. He just lent it to one of us. We'll drive it a thousand miles. I'm not, no one just driving that car. No one ever wants to drive my car. I would drive it.

I've driven the focus. You don't want to drive that car? That's the one you chose. Well, that's not. I'd driven the mercy before that. And then you're like, oh, the airbox is broken

and the H-I. I was right. That is something that happens. When he lent him to one of your cars, he comes back and he's like, these nine things are a problem. I did that once. He came back and he said that.

And I drove the car. I drove the car. Yeah, you didn't go. Yeah, I drove that car over 50 miles an hour, and man, it was terrifying. Good way to say money. Skip the PPI and just have Canon drive it. And have them smell it. I would love to hear your PPI on this 308.

Give me some other Toro cars that are cool. That's a good one. That's a good one. Look at this. There's a Lotus, a Spray. Where is this? Auburn, Washington. Go to Seattle.

375 a day. That feels like a bargain. It does. 375 a day to rent a Lotus of Sprite. You're having a Zajaro designed mid-engine sports car. You ever driven an aspray? I went to Vancouver and I rented King Yin's Lexus NX. I should have flown into Seattle, rented the Lotus Asprey, driven over the border.

That wouldn't have been sketchy. Hey, I'm going to rented Lotus Asprey, Mr. Border Agent. You have to imagine for some of these cars, $400 a day is about the ownership cost. Well, but isn't that the fun of this experience? You get the opportunity to drive around in this thing and not have to worry about any of that track. You know, and as a host, I would actually feel comfortable. The type of person who'd pick in a spree is not going to, like, destroy it, right? They're an enthusiast.

I completely agree. That's the thing. You were like, the last thing I would think about is running a 308. Like, no, like, big baller coming into LAX who wants to, like, show off is going to rent a 308 GTSI. An enthusiast is, yeah, absolutely. It's going to be rented by someone who really is into the cars. Yeah, this is, wow, this is so cool. Imagine cruising around Seattle.

It's free. It's raining. You got the glass pail above you. Got the lights popped up. Lights are popping up most of the time. Maybe they break up like that. Who knows? At least one of them probably will pop up.

Two trips with Paul. This is quite a car. But Paul's got 40. Look on Paul. What else is Paul? 47 trips. Oh, 47 trips. He's got other cars. That's why he has 47 trips.

Let's see what else he's got. Paul. Oh, Paul is getting it. And a GT3 RS. He's got a Gtree and an air-cooled 9-11 all on Turin. This is a man of great taste. I'll tell you something. For 375 a day, you could have the 9-11 or the espree.

I'm taking the espree all day long. 100%. Do you know unofficially stradman level tax advice here? If it's on Turro, can you write off the car as a business expense? Yeah, I mean, I think that these people set up LLCs to run, to own these cars, and then they probably do write off. They probably have to have the car being run realistically, though. You can't just like, oh, it's for rent, but no one ever rents it.

No, I think there's a move here. I like this. But Paul here is legitimately renting these automations. Yeah, 31 trips on that 9-11. That's pretty good. 31 trips, that's wild. People are really actually landing at Seattle and renting a 9-11. I mean, I would next time I'm up there.

This is great. But wouldn't you rather have the espree? I'd rather have the espree, yeah. Well, it depends. If I need to get where I'm going, maybe not. But pretty cool. I got to tell you about Toro. One of the things that appeals to me, actually the primary thing that appeals to me, to be

totally honest, is that the people are always there. Have you ever done Tara? Yeah, twice. Really great experiences. I've done it like 77 times. They told me because they looked at my profile and they were like, you've used it 77 times. Do you have a five-star rating? Yeah, or close. I got a perfect five. I want to know what people dinged you on. I don't know that I don't know what my rating is. But I will say, probably three. Like every, like this, the King Yin when I was in Vancouver, I landed at midnight and I walk out and instead of getting on the rental car shuttle and taking the rental car shuttle to a faraway location where who,

knows what's going to happen. And then standing in line for a weekend, he's just there. And you know what he does? He gives me the key, and then I just drive away. And it seems like it should be illegal. But it's not. Both of mine, they parked it in short-term parking, let the key in the lockbox. That's the other one that works too.

I'm totally fine with either one. We went 50-50 between a Turo and a regular rental car when we went to Hawaii as a family. And I was like, oh, what if the guy doesn't show up from Turo? We go to Enterprise or whatever it was. we waited three hours in a parking garage for them to pull around a car as all these angry families are like, we should have done taro. It would have been better. It takes so long. The rental car thing takes so awful long. It is such a terrible process. When I was a kid, you'd go right into the terminal and you'd walk up to the rental car booth

and they'd give you the car and it was in the garage. But they've now needed to maximize the garage for like regular people parking. And so the rental cars are always off site and it is a complete disaster. Wasn't that the Seinfeld bed of like, oh, I have a reservation. Isn't that what that's for? just take them. That's the other thing. You're booking a car that you know about.

The thing about the people not showing up, 77 trips, one time the dude didn't show up and it's because the car got hit the night before. Yeah. Which, you know,

it happens. But I try to choose people who have pretty good reviews. And then it basically always, they call out if you're like an all-star host. It's no different than Airbnb. And I do that without even thinking about it.

And based on two good experiences on Turro, like I'm not even going to think twice about it. Yeah. I mean, it's really a fantastic situation. People complain sometimes the cars are not maintained as perfectly. I mean, I have that problem with rental cars. Right.

The hosts are also very motivated. Like, if you tell them there's an issue, like, they're super responsive. They want that five-star review. Some of these guys, this is the other interesting thing about Toro. Some of these guys, this is like their thing. Yeah. This is like what they do. There are guys on Turro who have like 47 cars and it's their entire job.

Yeah, the C-8 I rented for a good friend Sam's wedding. I think he had four other cars and he was a, mortgage broker or something and you knew mortgages were really slow this was like six 12 months ago yeah um and like that was his primary source of income i'm pretty sure yeah no there every time i click on every time i do one that the dude has several car i look at it he's got like i i did it one in atlanta a couple weeks ago they got a thousand trips wow and that guy had like a thing set up with an off-site parking lot and i really didn't want to do that so i told him i give him 50 bucks if he just brought the car to the airport he did nice that's great that's fantastic i like that you can

negotiate that's the other thing i can just send him so okay look at What is that? Let me bring up your whole list here. We'll come to like this. And Alpine? No, no, there's some great ones. Click on this. When Europe, they're in France too, and in the UK, me, we.

This thing. What? Bonjour, this looks like it's Take a Honda out of our weekend. That'll be nice. Go down to the Xerterrance. It'd be fantastic. I know in France, I'd probably lie to smoke in the cars.

Wait, what's right in dress? Well, this is in the UK, but this is a Honda E. That's cool. You ever seen one? Wow, I've never heard of it. I've saw one. opening. I thought it was the coolest thing in the entire world. Yeah, it looks like a concept car. It does look like a concept car. There it is next to a Nissan juke proving that it exists in reality. I just need that.

Look at this. It's so cool. Wow, this is wild. I wish that Trudeau was a little bit more available in Europe. That's one of my big things. Person on the... There's a guy there. What's he saying? I don't know. 1650. Go back. There's another great European one. Look at that. Oh, Alpine. Oh, that's so cool. That A110. Wow, it looks tiny in that picture. These are so cool. You could just rent one. You could just pull up in Europe and just have yourself an A110. You know, the other great use case for Toronto besides travel is you're thinking of buying a car and you want some seat time.

Like a few friends have hit me up that are like kind of car people. I'm like, just go rent one. Even if it's $1,000 for the weekend, like do it and you'll know if you like the car. Is the Carrera S going to have enough power? Do you need the T or the base? Like you can answer all these questions in a real way instead of like trying to go to a dealership. Totally. It really gives you an opportunity to.

to actually drive, and you know what car you're getting as opposed to Enterprise where you show up and it's like a minivan or similar. Look at this. Deep French. Bonjour, monsieur. Actual offense. Yeah, they're in France.

Hey, it says it's sublime. I can read that. Nice, Nick. You could rent an A-110. I think that one of the great drawbacks of life, this is a deep cut. One of the great drawbacks of life is that it is very difficult to rent

to drive a fun car in Europe. if you're not a European. Yes. Because all the European rental car agencies rent normal European cars, which most Americans who haven't spent a lot of time in Europe, don't realize, are Volkswagen Golfs with a 0.7-liter two-stroke with 46 horsepower. I'll never forget when I first went to Germany

and I thought I'd see Porsches all over the Autobahn and AMG Mercedes passing people everywhere, and you land, and it's just like Volkswagen Polo, Volkswagen Lupo, Volkswagen Polo. Small, cheap. They want to say, you know, one mirror. because the other one was optional. They could save money.

No AC. No radio. Transparent windows were an option. 12 inch wheels. Meanwhile, you as a tourist can show up on an Alpine A110. But so I've always had this problem when I go to Europe and I get there

and I want to rent the coolest card you got. And it's like, all right, we have a BMW 118 D and it's an automatic with hubcaps. Here you go, sir. Sit up and beg. It's like great. But instead you can be, well, yeah, it really does transform that experience.

That's a very relatable deep cut that a lot of us. Thank you. I'm not wrong. If you go to Europe as an American car enthusiast, you want to drive. Like, a lot of the time in Europe, these are some very special driving roads.

It's a different driving experience. You could go on the de-restricted auto bond, which Kennan will be doing soon. Did you know that? No. July, yeah, for a friend's wedding. And I'm going to borrow a frenzy 39M-5. I'm going to finally get to drive my own car.

Speaking of Turro in Europe, we got Kenan a Turro gift card for his birthday. I have not used yet. And he has not used it yet, but I'm hoping that he can use that to sand. either a viper or whatever car's next. Well, thank you. I will look for vipers on tour and see if I find one.

I really just want you to rent a car that's fast enough to keep up with the Mercilago for a weekend, Chris. Oh, give me a break. Yeah, you have to slow down because your oil overheats. It only happened once. And to be honest with you, I don't want to keep up with you because that means being deafened by your car the entire time anyway.

It would definitely happen every time if you took the car out every time. But there's so many cars, I mean, $356. This is the way to experience at 356. It's not a lot of money to go slow. You don't have to own it. It's the best part. Kenneth, go back. There you go.

Saab 94X. Wow. That is an adult car. 42 American dollars a day. 42 bucks a day in Denver. You could be driving a sob 94X. You know those lucid airs that you also add on your list? Great pictures.

Are fairly affordable for what you can rent them for. Like a normal car. Go back to that. I had a lucid air. What was it? I almost rented one last time. I was in Palm Beach because it was like the same price as like a 200 of that. A Chevy Luminon.

But this is a dream edition. This was the very best lucid air that possibly existed. And that's $200 a day, which is not a crazy amount. It's not a lot of money. Rental cars these days rent for money. Where is this located? Austin. Damn. You go into Austin to do some tech bro stuff as you do. Yeah. You drive around on a lucid air. People think

you're the tech bro. You drive that around and you can sell some online courses for 99 bucks. Hang out with Wes Watson. How many people do you think? How many people do you think? rent Turros to like front. Like you and me use it to track. I only do it when I travel.

Like I never rent it at home. But how many people do you think do it to like in their location to like go on a date or whatever? I would imagine it's about 5% of the market cap of Turin. There's people doing that. People flexing. Especially in LA you have to think a lot of influencers and creators or saying, oh, sign up for my course and then they're in front of the Lambow.

That's the thing. You can never be sure. We had, we did this photo shoot with Turow. they're sponsoring this than a couple of the things. We did this photo shoot with a GT3 that's available to rent in San Diego. In fact, it's on my little favorites list. And it's that one, it blew up. And a week before we did the photo shoot, I was driving on the 8, and I got it behind it.

I was like, ooh, this guy's got a GT3. Nope. He rented it for the day. You know, and there's nothing wrong with that either. No, there's not. If you're passing it off on your own, maybe. That's different. Otherwise, like, why not run?

Especially if you work from home, like. Yeah, work from home, rent a 348 spider. If you had a thousand dollar a month car payment, instead of doing that, you could rent a cool car for like, you know, a couple days, a weekend or two a month, and like it would net out even. Is there anything else on here that's especially exciting? Keep going. Go down. Go down. The 4-4 squared is pretty wild. You know what, Kenon, there was somebody had a 70 series lane cruiser on here, but I think they pulled it off. I favored it initially and I think they pulled it off. I love. 57 Thunderberg. That would be pretty boring. NSX, new NSX. Grand Wagon Air. Nick. I need to rent that. Claritche too.

This is also an LA. Beautiful. Cream on cream. Cream on cream. Yeah. That is cool because now you're not flexing as a Lambo new money well. You're flexing as old money well.

And also, like we've said, but especially in this case, this is how you want to drive a Corniche. Rented by the day. And if something goes wrong, someone comes and takes it away and you don't have to be concerned.

Right. Honestly, you get three, four days out of this car, you're pretty happy. Yeah, that's about all you're going to get. Well, that's, that's more than us. You can leave the mineral oil and someone else's driveway.

Click on quality rental. See what else there are. Rentals with a Z. Rentals with a Z. Let's see what other quality rentals they have. They got a bunch of trips. Let's see. Scroll down.

Yeah, you do see some. Not much. Like actual businesses on here. All right, go back, the reason I ask that, go back to the main. Okay, scroll there in. STO is pretty cool. This is a 600 S. This is a V12 car.

Oh, wow, all three of Paul's cars made your list. Paul was legit. Anyone grad Reganeer? Let's go in there. But one thing I discovered while I was doing this, Oh, RS4K. Oh, RS4K. That's in D.C., by the way.

Oh, could have been. Citro X-M, but that's in France. G.R. R.R.S. is in Europe. Keeping all those in mind. Wow. Keep going, keep going. Okay. So, wow.

Maybach. My buck, GLS, 280s. Came in GT.4. The reason I mentioned, I bring this up. So, well, I discovered while I was doing the Turo thing, this list, that you can sort turros by anywhere, any time. You don't need to have, like, a date or a time in mind. How do you do that?

If you go on Turo.com. right now. Okay. And then you can change these to any time. So at the date, you can just click clear. Just clear it entirely. That helps so much. And now click on, and now click on the magnifying glass. You have a wear is not, is not filled in, right? And now you just have the whole world. I think actually you may have to go back to where here and take it away. Oh, just clear, clear out San Diego. Anywhere. You click on anywhere. Oh, anyway. Okay. And now you can see whatever it is you want and sort however you want, including by Make. Ask Park Owl. We will do a trip anywhere that has an Aspark Al for sale.

Make. Acura. What make do you want to say? Delorian? Are there any Delorians? Oh, yeah. There's got to be. It doesn't look like there are any right now. Ferraris.

Click on age. Change age to 30 plus. Youngen. Up right there. Yes. I forgot. I also like to sort by most expensive. No, make it like 50.

Whenever I go somewhere, then you just work your way down to the number where you feel comfortable. You know, here's an interesting fact that I don't think a lot of people know. Many years ago, I, did ads for Truro, as we're doing right now. And I, for some reason, I agreed to be paid in Turo credit. And by the end of the ad, it was based on how many people clicked through. And by the end of my advertising for them, I had accumulated 20,000 Turo bucks. It would have been a lot nice if I have it in cash, but it had it in Turo credit. And I used that Turo credit up until like,

like, two weeks ago. Like, I rented a car two weeks ago that was like the finally the end of my Turo credit. And I would just, when I would go somewhere, I would just do that. Sort of by highest price and then be like, yep, because it was free. And people would be so excited that I had chosen their G-Wagon or whatever, and I'd be like, yeah, but really I wasn't paying anything for it.

I also think that's a good hosting strategy if you had that 30A, and you didn't really want to rent it a ton, charge enough that it'll scare away most people, like the flexors, and it's only the people who really want it and who are rich enough to afford it. Right. Or production companies.

Maybe, yeah. Maybe you only get a couple rentals a month or a year, but that's fine. Right. You're getting the right kind of rentals. Right. It's like how you would want to list your house on Airbnb if someone would pay you three grand a night. Yeah, for sure. Anyone can stay. I'll do 2,500. 2250.

Do you still have that tab open? Yes, I do. So I was just looking through Ferraris. Amazing, the number of Californians, which makes sense. There's a lot of Calis. There's a lot of Portofino. There's 488s and four, five-eighths, quite a few of those. Yeah, also makes a lot of sense. But there's some older ones too. FF. Wow. Dang. Yeah. And it's like purple. Yeah, but that's a wrap.

That's sick. You want to rent a purple left? I do. Purple FFF on black wheels with a wrap in some Where do I have to travel? That would be really cool. Milipetus? Yeah, never. It's like Napa, right? Yeah, yeah, I think that is. Gotta be if you haven't heard of it. Probably, yeah.

4-88 Pista. Pista. In Fort Lauderdale. Oh, damn. That is a lot. So when I rented a continental GT, it was in Fort Lauderdale. There were some prime pickings there, and it's competitive enough that the prices were pretty decent. And I think also Fort Lauderdale, Miami has that kind of. It is wild how many nice cars there. I did Miami. I did a C8 right when the C8 came out when I was in Miami.

It was Palm Beach Airport, I think. And it was wild, yeah, how much stuff there was. Like, nice stuff there was. I took that continental GT. That was a wonderful car for South Florida. And I took it to Curated. And I felt like, yes, like, I'm playing the part here. Like, I look like I actually belong.

You got to assume the people that curated, though, just assume that every nice car that rolls up is a rental. Probably. In Miami, too, Turro is a thing. But, like, there's all sorts of random high-end rental companies. Like, Miami is the land. of looking rich and you're not. Yeah.

But a pista is cool. You're a legit dude. How much does this car cost? A lot. Not cheap. Yeah. It ain't cheap. And it should be expensive.

Yeah, 700 horseback. Pretty limited. And then $10. $10.61 per mile if you go over $450. $4.50 in what? Three days of travel. Although, admitted, driving in Florida, you're just using this car to flex. There's nowhere entertaining to drive this car.

It would be an odd decision to rent this because... Yeah, this car is an extreme handling. Just rent a four-five-eight. It looks the same. You accomplish the same goal. The same goal, right. 430s. There were a couple of nice 430s when I left, yeah.

Wow, yeah. This is in L.A. Yeah, L.A.'s got some good stuff, too. Yeah. And L.A. has definitely more, like, connoisseur cars than Miami did. All right. Kenan, we want you to get a viper. Could you rent yourself a viper?

Well, let's find out. Let's see if we can find any vipers. The brand is Dodge. Yeah, thank you. I do, I do recall for SART in some cases. In some cases, it is SRT. All right, and then we're going to go for Squawry down for Viper. What is this car?

Oh, there is an early viper. No, no, you clicked on the top. There you go. Oh, yeah, this isn't early. An early viper, Palmetto, Florida. This is you. Wow. Where is Palmetto Florida?

Who knows? Go there. I'm going to be there for Amelia. I'm moving in Florida for Amelia Island. This would be pretty great to show up in it. I'll admit the traffic Amelia would suck in this. No, it would be fun. Look at that eight miles to the gallon.

It's like the Tampa Bradenton area. It'd be a long drive to Amelia. Unleash the legend. Yeah, great coffee. Born to stand out. Dude, this is canon. You ought to do this. It is on the wrong side of Florida from Amelia, but that will only make it better.

Distance included 600 miles. Well, but for how long is your trip? Your trip is three days, so it's probably 200 miles a day. They're calling your bluff there. They know you're not. No one wants to be in a Gen 1 Viper for 600 miles. You can put unlimited distance, and it would be totally, totally fine. What was the other viper?

It was in our three? Yeah, the other one's in SOT10 in Phoenix. You don't also you should check out as Aston Martin because there's probably a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there were a bunch of advantages when I looked. Let's just take a look at all. Speaking with, Felipeo, who's not here and is looking at a 9-11,

maybe he needs to figure out if the base versus S isn't a power. There was, you put it on new vans, a ton of new vantages, but V8 Vantage was also an option, and that was available too. I wonder if there's an old vanquish. Oh, that would be. A ton of old vanages. Oh, look at this, yeah. I think this is in Cal.

I think we briefly looked at this one for Car Week this year, but they rented it to somebody. See if there's old vanquish. I wonder how many car week cars are. Not vanquish. Turroed. No, of course it's the new one. That's a cool car, too.

Where's Oxen Hills? This is in the UK? Maryland. Huh. That is such a breathtakingly beautiful. You could have run of this. You were just in D.C. That would have been cool.

Okay, we've looked at Turo cars enough. You can check out my Turo favorites by clicking the link in the description below to see all the cars I've selected. But next, we have. are going to talk about cars. And I want to start with the pronunciation of Akira. Yes.

Last week on the pod, I said Akira instead of Accura. And people were angry in the comments. Like they thought I thought it was Akira, right? But you know what I was thinking? It's a made-up word. They said it's Accura. I'm saying it's Akura. I'm going to take it back.

This is one of Doug's hobbies people don't know about it. He loves mispronouncing and misspelling words intentionally. Just interrupt that people? Yeah, he loves doing it. One of my favorite things to do in a text message is when I'm supposed to when it's supposed to be they are, T-H-E-R-E, I will say they're T-H-E-I-R, and then correct myself to T-H-E-Y-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-R-E. And boy, do people get mad. But Acura, they faked the word.

I'm going to fake the word, too. You can have it. I'm not fake. I'm going to say Accura like everybody else. Ah, nice, Akura-T-L. At least you're not saying Galardo. Like anyone you know, Nick? Yeah, you know, no names mentioned.

Uh, okay. Nick, tell us about the manual swap Mercilago situation. Well, I talked about it, I don't know, a month ago when I was last on here. Yep. And EAG crept into my DMs and offered me to be one of the first 580s. And we had some chats. Well, I can't call it a pre-LP. That's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

We call it a base model. Oh, shot fire. And we called it an ACRA, but, you know, what are you going to do about that? So what are you going to do? Are you going to do it? So I got the details. 45 is what they quoted, labor included. Everything.

Wasn't that expensive, but they found a way to do it engine in. Now, it's not, there are some things that they have to sacrifice to make it engine in that wouldn't make it completely OEM. The throwout bearing, I think it is, stays the same. It's the E-gear part instead of the manual part. A few other things like that. The fluid doesn't get changed. They're supposed to have their first customer car. at Sima. So I said, let's see how that goes. It's actually another influencer. His name is Jack

Ultramotive. Got a great YouTube channel, but I'm going to see how that goes. But then Mashana, which is the other half of EAG that split off, also has at least one customer car done and is planning on another one. I'm in chats with them. They are going to do it engine out and allegedly in a better way. A third company in Poland also posted some videos. And then a fourth company that asks not to be named also says that they're nearing completion. So I think by the end of the year, there could be anywhere from zero to four options available. I'm going to just stop you and go way back. First, it's pronounced machina, not mottom.

Whatever. Second. Akura. Okay. A company that asks not to be named. If they're trying to sell these things, wouldn't they want to be named? It's not ready yet. We're not done.

They want to tip off. A company in Poland. Also, I'm a little anxious about the engine out, engine in distinction. First off, removing the engine in that car is pretty serious. Yes. So like... Trans comes out at the same time. It's like the kundash.

Right. It's crazy. So like, if someone found a way to do an engine in and someone found a way to do an engine out, that's a pretty big discrepancy. Right. Does that make you nervous? It does. Well, it...

I think you've got to see the feel of it. There's also little things that are different. Like the E gear where that circle is that you click the buttons and then the shifter are like six inches apart. Like it's a different placement of the shifter. Oh, you're kidding. For a manual. So like, do you re-gear the...

That was true on manual mercies? Yeah, it's only like six inches or maybe a little less. You probably have to, because I'd imagine, like, there must be, like, a hole that it's mounted. There must be like, yeah. So there's a lot of, pull this up. The interior, go to cars and bids. We sold that black one. And pull up mercy a lot.

Oh, there's a black one for sale. We have one for sale. Okay, pull that. Yeah, that circle thing that you can see. Okay, like, pull up another, open another tab and then pull up that black one that we sold that was a manual that I drove. Yeah, the whole center council is just slightly different. This one, right? Okay.

So click on that. Go back to the other one. Hell, he's right. Is it different? Look at how close it is to the forefront buttons there, and then it's a little further back, I think. I think it looks the same to make. It looks pretty similar.

It's different enough, so you can widen the hole. It's a different thing. Let me see. There's got to be another picture. One of them was an early car that had the suspension buttons on it too, but. That picture there. Yeah, that one. No, no, that one.

Yeah. Okay, now go back to the other one. Go back to the other car. One difference is this. That's an early car thing, not a manual. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, interesting.

They lost, they didn't do that anymore? They moved where the, like, the suspension adjustments were and the lift and everything. So just, they just, they changed a lot year to year with these cars because it was still a little bit of a sketchy Italian. At the time, they couldn't afford. Yeah, this was straight out of the Diablo. It was. Yeah. So what is your plan?

My plan is. My plan is. $45 grand, and it's a little. The engine out one is allegedly going to be like $50, too. So then you're like, oh, five grand more to, like, kind of go a little more thorough with it is probably, the move, but my plan is to wait to let everyone else be getting pigs because I feel like you can chain it to a manual, fine,

but just because it's manual doesn't mean they made it just like OE, right? Does it shift the same way? Does it feel the same way? Is it going to break in 40,000 miles? I will tell you this. For all the issues that EAG has had, there's a lot of positive reviews about the way those cars drive. Yeah, yeah. However, it's a little sketchy to do it.

EAG or not, it's like a sketchy, like the first dude who like converted a major part of your car. Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, they need it for a month is what they quote, and you got to assume it's a little longer. But, while you're waiting, what's his

name? The guy who did it? The YouTuber? Jack. Jack, gonna be driving around. I know. Clack. And Nick's gonna be, come on, let's go. It's funny because there's a Mercy Owners Group on Instagram, awesome group, like so many smart people

and like dudes that at P1s. Actually, the odd, the biggest cross over our Hummer H1 owners and Viper owners. What a surprise. I'm truly astonished to hear that. That Bursi owners. Stereotype all you want, but it's a tremendous wealth of information in there. And like a lot of people are coming and saying, you know what, Eager's not that bad.

Like everyone there's, I mean, maybe it's bias of they all have Eager cars. So of course they're defending it. But like, I agree though with that. A lot of people wax poetically that the Egear is actually pretty fun. However, if given the opportunity, I suspect, to just snap their fingers and suddenly their cars, stick and they throw out 50 grand, I bet they would do it. I would snap my fingers. You'd snap your fingers. The question is more, do I say, I've said to send it out way to Texas. That's going to cost probably six grand to ship it there. Yeah, no, it's, it's going to be really expensive.

So I'm going to let other people figure it out if it's as good as I hope it is. Like, I'm definitely going to do it. Just save up in the meantime. It would be cool. It would be really cool. All right. Next up, we're going to talk market report. Market report. Market report brought to you by Cars and Bids. Actually, the Cars and Bids app. Just like Cars and Bids, But an app. I want to talk Bentley Mulsan. Pull that up because I almost talked about this and then I didn't, but we should. That was on my list as well.

Did you see it sold for? Yes. $58,000. This car needed a service. The dealer's selling it said it needed a service. God knows what that means. Okay. But for 58, we've always talked about our nages.

They're like 30. Yeah. This is kind of getting there. And it looks like it rolled out the line yesterday. Yeah. This is way more desirable than our nage. Way more desirable, except for that it has like one of the worst steering wheels of any car But other than that, it is way more desirable.

You still look rich. You do. This looks like you said, like a new car. You know, I've swapped the steering wheel in my last five cars. Mercilago has an aftermarket wheel. My S-4 had an aftermarket wheel. My TTRS had an aftermarket wheel. What am I missing?

There's two others that had aftermarket wheels. The wheel is bad. It's really easy to change. That's fine. No, it really is not. It was a horrible wheel design. It absolutely was embarrassing. I would live with that.

I would live with that. This. Look at it. Look at it. like a happy little Honda Civic wheel on your mat like other than that though this car is if this car starts to get in the 40s which it will

that's interesting this looks like the kind of car that if you went out to eat you would order the seafood tower every time and not think twice it's just gobs of money in Nick's mind that's what having that's what having money is ordering the seafood tower and not thinking about it spendy you get the clams I think that

I've always loved the Mulsan I've always like really thought it was one of the coolest cars. It doesn't matter the spec. It looks incredibly baller. I will say I check generally what they're selling for and later ones are still over 100. Like the car is not 58 generally, but an early car with miles with some needs is a 58 car and that is appealing. Part of the reason I like it too is it reminds me so much of the Brooklands. But the Brooklands was what, four or five hundred thousand dollar car. Yeah. On the subject of stuff that's getting cheap. We were talking last night, stuff's getting cheap. The market has changed. V-A-W-R-X. Type in

WRX. Check this out. I know, Kenan, this isn't your type of car. No, it is not. Scroll down a little bit to that one. This is a 16WRX, one owner, 30,000 miles, no modifications,

manual transmission sold for $18,000. Wow. It needed tires. But I'm sitting here thinking, this is a $270 horsepower manual fun car. Yeah. Like, in my mind, this is a $30,000 car, $35,000 car.

That's what they were and that's what they were, and that's what they were, like, used for a while. It's 18. This is going to be a $15,000 car tomorrow. I mean, that's, yeah, That's a very compelling car for that kind of money. Your stuff is starting to get to a price point where it's starting to become kind of like, oh, that's interesting.

Yeah. This, yeah, this. This for 18, and did you see what GT350 sold for the other day? Gt350 R? This is something you should be paying attention. Oh, yeah, I'm into this. Under 50 for an R. Under 50 for an R.

Now, of course, this one, it's missing its front lip, so that kind of... It had 12,000 300 miles. It had a couple miles. Go back. It's not an unusual result either. This is what the... these, go for it. Go back to the result page. Take a look at this. We sold a regular GT350 for under 40. Wow. That is crazy. I've driven these cars. They are a lot of car for what they were

stickered at, which was like 6575. To get it for 40, that's like really, really, really appealing. That is very appealing. I really like these cars. How come you haven't purchased one? Because we live in San Diego and I don't want to look like I just spent my first military check with PennFed. That's their reason. But they're cool. The thing is, it sucks that it has that rep and I totally Totally agree that it has that rep, but it's actually an amazing car to drive. And I think even you, European card. I drove one. I did a video on one that we sold on the site, and it was so good.

So good. That Tremic 6 Speed is one of the best-filling transmissions. It's very agile. That Voodoo engine is. Voodoo's great. The sound is amazing. The sound is amazing. The power is incredible.

Reli-a-dudu's a little questionable, admittedly. But that package is so good. It changes direction so fast. So fast. You look at a Mustang. It's a Mustang. I mean, you talk about not having play on center. Yeah.

That car, and you even breathe on the steering wheel, and it just goes the direction you want it to. It is a really well-designed car. Kenan, let's make a pact. You get one of these, I'll get a Hellcat. A Hellcat? What? We'll change the stereotypes together.

Yeah, I'm going to get out wearing a suit. You fit the Hellcat stereotype. Yeah. You're insane. I own a Mazurati. It's an MC20 underneath my... It's an MC-12. But like most Maserati, quadri-Porte owners,

he doesn't know the difference between the cars. That makes complete sense. Okay, I want to move on. We talked to a little market report. I want to move on to questions. Questions, questions, questions, questions, questions. There's a few good questions. And remember, you too can ask us a question.

You go to Cars and Bids.com. You click on the community link at the top, and we will have a post that says, hey, ask us a question, and you can ask us a question. Okay. This week, there are some really shockingly good questions. The first one is, from Sergio Mendez,

what is the very best exotic car you can get for around $150,000, looking for something that stands out more than a 9-11. This is like the most common topic in our... That's... Our friend group, that is so true. Anything.

That stands out more than a 9-11. 9-11's the most... Well, that's his point. So give him something. I know what I would say. What I would get would be a Gaiardo and have a little money left over. Yeah, Nick was wants a little money left over.

Okay, 85. You got a lot more left over, dude. I get a stick for, like, you know, low 100s. You'd get a Gaiardo. Yeah. Okay. Stick, Chiardo. That's all right. That's not as good as mine, Kenan.

The ones that come to mind immediately, Ferrari 550's in that range. Z8 is also in that range. C8s are in that range. I think you probably could get a mild Gallardo super legera. That would be one I would jump on in a heartbeat. I mean, there's some really good. Kenan put some more thought into this. Nick's driving around in a Gallardo.

He's out here in a super legerto Z8. Yeah, you've, yeah, you've been in 04. However, the answer to the question is the Ferrari 599-9-G-TB-B-Taron. You buy that for 150? You can buy that for 125. Wow. Yeah, that's true. All right.

Buy it for 125 and then you can swap it and be in at 150. Totally. I mean, kind of, but yeah. Kind of. Yeah, but that is pro, I mean, 612 horsepower. Enzo engine 600 horse looks like a crazy thing. You want to stand out more than a 9-11, Sergio Mendez? Boom, you just stand out more.

We sell some 599. Oh, we sold a couple of 599s. This is the, I mean, yeah. That was a getting conversion. But go back to the- Look at those buttresses. This car had zero miles. It had, yeah, it was a weird circumstance.

This is a gated conversion that was bid to 137. We sold after for a little bit more. These questions are always hard because it's like, well, what do you want from the car? Do you want to stand out? Do you want to drive it? Do you want to take it to the track? Do you want to stand out? 599.

You want to drive it? 599. This one was also really paying because it was an HGTE car. In addition to being a six-speed. That was like the high performance back. With those wheelie. Yeah. I'd paint them back to silver.

But other than that. Yeah, yeah, of course. You paint the wheels. Look at those seats. Handling GTE. solid what an embarrassing it's so

embarrassing it's so cool but for italians just don't understand they never will understand that some things are beautiful and some things aren't they just don't quite get what's what

it just doesn't they don't get it the owner of this car is also in the Marciolago owners group yes Christian the person who bought it from the site

that sold it that sold it oh interesting okay so that's a good question and that is of course the answer 599 no your answers were good too Z8 is in that range

people don't realize yeah I mean they went way up but they have come way down, and there are ones out there with miles on them. You can get for even less. We've sold a number of Z8s that were less than 150. 135 for this one. That one had miles, right?

Yeah, I think this one had like 50,000. But that's kind of where you want to buy it. We all know an S62's only broken in at 60,000. Hell yeah, brother. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, most of these cars are... Dude, 135, that car is such a deal at 135. That is such an exotic car. You drive that thing around, you turn people's heads all day long for the price of a

used 911. You can't get a new 911 for this anymore. I know. All the answers we chose. Way more exciting than a non-od. I would get all of them. You could also start to stretch into a Diablo or Mercilago, you know, if you spent just a little bit more. Yeah, but you'd have to spend a little bit more. Your maintenance costs also then start to really get scary. My Mercia Lago starts every fourth or fifth try.

Right, and that's a nice one. All right, here's a question from Chicago C and abuser. Nick, this one's for you. Had a minor accident in a 720S. Bumper damage. Skid play. and wheel replacement, accident 25 miles an hour, barely any damage. McClare and assessed repairs at $45,000. What would you do? Go through insurance and take a hit at higher rates given I have six other cars, insured

them, or pay cash and try to resell the car. How much would the car lose in value, completely new to exotic car crashes? This is a tough one. Yeah. Especially that number and that car. If it was a $100,000 pair, you go through insurance. Yeah. If it's a $10,000 pair, you pay out of pocket. I mean, obvious. Forty-five on a $720 is a little bit like... It's a lot of money. I suspect, though, if you, he said that quote was from McLaren. Oh, boy. And there's a lot of good body shops and there are a lot of rec 720s. You could find a used bumper.

I bet you could do that repair for closer to 10 to 15. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's a good point. Maybe if you want to do it right and insurance is paying for it, obviously you would go to McLaren. But that's kind of part of this question. I watch dudes rebuild 720s in the garage on YouTube, all right? Like, that sounds like something we could do with a couple of cold ones.

You talk about Freddie? Friday. Oh, yeah, Freddy's one example. I got a Freddy story for you. This was a 675, a very rare part. I'm going to tell us in the pod. Why not? I got a Freddy's story for you.

Freddy calls me yesterday, and I'm filming, so I get an answer. And so I ignore the call, and it goes voicemail. And I don't do calls. Like, I'm on set a lot. I mean, I can't take a call most of the time. And also just, just, like, text me. So I text Freddy after he calls me instead of calling him back. And I say, Freddy, to what do I owe this wonderful surprise?

You know? And he goes, Doug, how many users does Cars and Bids have? Now, if you go to the Cars and Bids.com main page and just scroll to the bottom, it actually shows how many users Cars and Bids has right there. So I screenshoted that, and I said it to him. And I said, I guess we have $600,000. I don't know when the last time that was updated is. I don't really care.

But I said, look, about $600,000. And then that was it. He didn't even reply. Great story. He wanted to call me to ask me a question you could ask over text, And then he didn't even reply what I'd answer the question for. And that's David's Freddie. I wonder what's going on there to need to know that information.

And you know what? I've learned with Freddie, you don't ask. Can you just let it be? You know how there was that big sale recently of that junkyard in LA? Can you do that with Freddie? He's got four warehouses full of cars. It's a problem. You need to have a YouTuber intervention and say you are hoarding cars

and we're going to have you sell 20 of them. You got no idea. The Freddie Collection. You got no idea how many times. So we would try to collab. We would call guys, other YouTubers who will remain nameless. But well-known ones, and we'd be like, hey, you sell a car on a site, we'll pay you X number, and you'll promote it.

I mean, that's like the most common collab. And they're like, we don't sell cars. Like, I've owned 46 cars, and I still own all 46, and I don't sell them ever. Like, they mean too much to me. And I'm thinking to myself, all 46 are me. too much to you? Like, many car YouTubers told us that. Yeah.

So Freddie's not even... Anyway, back to the McLaren. I don't know what I would do. I would probably try to find a cheaper alternative than the McLaren dealership body shop. Which is pretty much anywhere. And I probably would pay out of pocket.

That's the drawback of having an exotic car. Like, at the end of the day, realistically, the hit on value is huge. On a 720s, that car's already dipped a lot in value. A lot of them have been hit, to be totally honest. Or modded in some crazy way that is like an accident. And you will find...

That is equally as big of a disaster. Having bought a lot of cars that have no accidents on the Carfax, and then you take it to someone like our friend Kevin, and he's like, oh, there's paintwork over here. This isn't uncommon. MicroGT's got paintwork. I mean, a lot of cars over time have had paintwork. Well, it's like it's pretty reasonable to expect that

as a car ages when they get all. Totally. Totally. It's like, you know, yeah, but a 720th in particular... Frankly, he might have better paint work if he goes outside of McLaren. No, but I think if I could do that work for 20, I would probably self-pay and sell the car. If I could, if I had to do it for 45, I would probably go through insurance.

It's 45 grand. You're not going to lose 45 grand. The goal would be to try to document, he says barely any damage, just skid plate, bumper, and wheel. If you can document the hell out of that, you might be able to instill some confidence when you sell the car that it wasn't that bad. We've certainly seen that when people bring cars to us. It's like, I've had the damage repaired. Here's what if I hear the picture.

Here are the photos during the repair. Here's the estimate. We put them in the other section so people can see exactly what the car look like. And that provides a lot of peace of mind. Especially because when it's on like our site, that'll follow. Google Venn, that'll follow the car forever. Yeah, exactly. I don't know.

It's a tough call, but I think it depends on price. And of course, you can also always pursue a diminished value claim, but those can be costly to pursue and they might not go the way that you're hoping after paying an attorney to try to. Well, and just the time also invested into that as substantial. Yeah. He also doesn't mention who's at fault in the accident. which I think has a little bit of,

there's a little bit slightly important, it's not incredibly important, but it is slightly important. Yeah, that's a hard one, but sorry you have to go through that. Last question, last question. This is from AHM-9D. Doug has made several videos about how he was a great car spotter back in the day before it was a popular thing to do.

Damn right! Nowadays, people with exotic cars are probably used to people taking pictures of cars, but I was wondering what were the interactions like back then? Were people ever defensive or weird out, they saw you taking pictures of their cars, any particularly weird or strange encounters or people mostly kind and understanding.

I made it a goal when I did this to like not be seen. I didn't even like to talk to the owners of the cars. To me it was always about the car. And so like if the owner would even say something to me, I would like try to like shy away. I didn't care. Like okay, a dude's drive.

I did a lot of this in Atlanta too. Dude's driving a mercy in Atlanta. In period. That's not a guy I'm interested in having a convo with. I'm good. I just want to get a picture of the car, right? And so very rarely did I ever really interact with the owners in any reasonable or meaningful way by choice. But it was an interesting hobby at the time.

Really not that many people were doing it. MC12 guy would have been good to talk to, though. Who the heck was that guy? I have to say, I mean, so I grew up in a very, a pretty affluent town that had a lot of exotic cars in the Midwest where they moved as they depreciate. We had some real stuff, though, in my town. But a guy bought a career GT brand new, and that was, I saw it regularly. He'd drive it to BP to get cigarettes. I mean, I saw like real cars

And so I would do a similar thing And I actually ended up talking to a lot of the owners Because I'm me And became friends with a lot of them Still keep in touch Tim Cantwell is a good example He's a very well-known in the 4GT forms But he had

He'd love the cars that he had So he had 430 Scuderia 360 Chowens Raleigh Garter Super Lagera First Gen had a He had a Diablo VT Roadster I mean he had

And then 54 GTs Vipur like Voodoo Viper Like all the cars that you would like freak out over. And he just was the nicest guy. Sometimes there are, but I agree in Atlanta, Mercyon, wheels, you know, and rims, not what he someone's talking to. Some of them are nice. I just have often

found that I don't love chatting with rich people. I think it often goes in a direction. You can usually tell by the car. Yeah. If it's something really obscure, rare or special, it's going to be a different caliber than just like, this is the newest, most expensive thing. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. And I would never

want to walk up to somebody in a newest most expensive thing type of car. SF90 drivers, I'm all set. Thanks so much. But if it's something, if it's like a real enthusiast car, that's a different conversation. It's funny. Funny how the culture has changed from, I wouldn't want to bother the owner, I don't want to be seen, to Daniel Mack

coming up, hey, what's your job? How much money do you make? And that's being totally normalized. Like, people will answer that. Yeah, but it's Daniel Beck. No, I think he's great. I'm just saying like we got to let him do his, that doesn't mean. It barely strikes us as weird anymore versus, think 20 years ago if you did that, like people would be pissed.

It must happen to you a lot in the mercy, I would think. It gets a ton of attention. Yeah, people don't really ask, like, what I guess a little bit of what you do, definitely not like how much money do you have. Social media has definitely expanded the likelihood that people are going to come up, be taking pictures, etc. The kuntash is wild.

Like, you can't, you straight up can't drive the car. You can't stop the car. If I park that car anywhere, like I took a couple of pictures of it yesterday in front of the bay with palm trees, like two seconds you park and like nine people are swarming you instantly. And then that begets more people and you're just like, you moved there. You live in by the

Marshall up at the pay now. Great view, anyway. All right. Well, those are our things to talk about. That was our podcast today. Nick, thanks so much for coming out. You want to put on your costume and give us some... I think that was our best one ever.

It was our best one ever. Do you want to put on... You give us some wise words? Wise words. Buy cars. They are so much fun. You know what, actually, the wisdom I just turned 40. So the wisdom related to cars that I had,

I spent my first 15 years of cars only driving Audis, and thinking I was like this Audi fanboy. Like that was a mistake. I should have had more variety. But the other thing is I would buy a card, hang on to it for four or five years, and just like hold. And now I've like been unhinged

and just like a car for three to six months. Like just buy and sell. Like I just thought there was like, it was so hard to switch cars and it would be like all this work. And it's really not anymore. Maybe that's the advent of the internet and everything. But like I regret holding cars for that long

and instead, like I don't want to be that guy with 46 cars. I want to be the guy that's owned 46 cars, but I don't want to have to maintain them. That sounds awful. I agree completely with that. That has always been my ethos, both of those things. I'm glad it took you until age 40 to come around to where I always do. I don't listen to your advice. No, you don't. Or anything else.

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