THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Has Doug Changed His Mind About the Maserati Ghibli? Huracan Replacement Spotted?! EP20

Episode Date: August 2, 2024

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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Filippo. And today we have a lot to talk about, starting with a car that no one cares about the Audi A6 has been redesigned. That's what it looks like. Yeah. Yep.

There is also a new A6 Avant that looks like a wagon version of this. That's a heinous thing. Now, here's what I've discovered. There's going to be a regular one with 300. 160 horsepower. There's going to be an E-Tron one with 420, and then there's going to be an S-6, but that's a plug-in or a fully electric.

I haven't looked with 540 horse. No one really buys the A-6 in America anymore. It has really fallen off the... Yeah, but the A-6 is a great-looking car, and the A-6-Avant. I was just in Italy for three weeks, and they're everywhere. All German tourists, but they're everywhere,

thanks to German tourists. And they look great. And this just... It's like they looked at... The designers looked at the success of the Q-4, which is maybe the... the most hideous smallest you on the market. But yep, I want all of our cars to look like that.

I don't agree with that. I think the Q4 looks good. Have you seen one from the front? There are some angles that aren't great, but I think it looks good, but I think it is horrible in every other way, aside from the way it looks. I think it's the Q4, this is a tangent,

but I think if the Q4 had a 420 horsepower turbo V8, me and Kennan would both be drive-arm right now. Well, no, I can assure you I wouldn't, but I guess that would make it more appealing. great if it had a naturally aspirated v12 too but that doesn't fix the problem here and that's not reality you know okay regardless because I

I just can't believe we're saying that it's an attractive automobile no he's going to pull up a sport back just to spite me and the sport everybody knows the sport back is the bad one this is what you're referring to that is what I'm referring to that is that doesn't look that bad it looks a little pig like

Kenan okay but Kenan now now imagine that with a 420 horsepower turbo V8 you're right I'm sold. Outrageous. Kenan, a gated manual since we're dreaming. Can I ask you a question since you

did the research on the A6? I already announced a week or two ago that there's no, that the, like, the A5 is the replacement for the A4 and like, even numbers are EVs, right? That's a great point. Right. And odd numbers are gas cars. Yeah. Right. So they're doing the BMW thing where they're like,

they said they're going to do it and they're like, no, never mind. His point is that, yeah, right, maybe that's it. That's a great. point. They literally just said that they're not going to do this anymore and now they're doing this. So that's odd. The thing about it is, the truthful

thing about it is that what you just said is exactly right. The A6 is a pretty popular car in Europe and I'm sure in China, like it's a big one of those big sedans that get chauffeered around but like in the states the A6 hasn't been relevant for quite some time. This is not going to be really a big deal. We don't get a lot of these. Audi's completely focused their whole marketing

and everything on crossover. I'm just intrigued by the new design language. Like this feels like a departure from any other outy vehicle and I find that surprising. It definitely doesn't look as good, but maybe this is kind of the direction they're heading it. The physical space at the bottom seems like something that all these brands have to do because of like that's where they put batteries or for arrow or something. Yeah. And that certainly it doesn't give the car the most beautiful look. Remember that? Remember that C5A6 that we all loved?

Of course. Pull up a picture of that and let's let's be wistful for a minute here, Kenan. This had a 4.2 liter V8 actually. Yeah, as most Audi products did at the time, most big Audi products did at the time. This was an attractive car, not the wagon. The wagon was okay, but the sedan looked with that taillight that came over the hump on that. Yes, that

no, just to the left of that. Oh, whatever. Yeah, that. Felipe, Felipe, tell us about your childhood in Italy. When you saw that taillight, you knew this person had real money, which in Italy meant they were earning $27,000. I saw very few of these. Very, very few of these.

And when you did see him, it was an A6 1.1T, and it had 109 horsepower. Correct. Yep. And tires were optional. Going back to the new A6, there is a new A6 Avant that won't be coming to the U.S., but that looks pretty good. They're not going to bring it as an all-road. Have they announced any of this? They must be because the R-S-6 has been a big hit, so they'll bring the wagon.

Has the A-6-all-road been a big hit? Well, I think that the only way they justified bringing it was bringing both. And so, but I think they haven't announced RS6 yet. So I've already checked for that. The closest we've gotten to hearing is S6, which has 540 horsepower. Not enough for Kenan to make the switch, let me tell you. Okay. I'm excited for the NAV-10 gated manual version that will eventually come.

Moving on to the next story. The next story is actually much more interesting, the new refreshed Ford Maverick. Yep. And there are two important things here. One is that in front Headlight treatment is interesting But two actual interesting things For the first time you can get the hybrid

With the all-wheel drive system Which was missing inexplicably for the first few years And is what everybody wanted And now they have it And I think it'll sell incredibly well The hybrid is selling well But people that live in Northern climate Want All-Vil Drive

Now they can combine it The hybrid can now tow With all-wheel drive can tow 4,000 pounds Which is what the old 2-liter in line 4 could tow and it's slightly more expensive. But there's also a new sport version, which is called a Lobo edition. Can you pull this up?

Do you have a picture of this? Lobo. Lobo. L-O-B-O. Okay. Dude, it's bizarre. I saw this on Instagram this morning, and I was like, this is factory?

No one is going to buy this. Yeah, but it'll look cool. You know what it's like? It's going to be like that sport track adrenaline we just sold we had in the office. Like that, they're going to sell seven of them. And in 20 years, like Nick are going to be like, damn, remember the Maverick Lobo?

Wow. 100%. And that could apply to either Nick. It's great. That's on the cars in the channel. Styling upgrades, right? It's like new bumper treatment, side skirts, wheels, etc. Bigger brakes.

It's a seven-speed automatic instead of an eight-speed automatic. They remove third gear. Closer ratio. Closer ratio. It should improve acceleration and some other performance measures. And there are some suspension upgrades. No power difference. It has, it's not a high.

it's only below the two-liter in line four, which, fun fact, it now makes 238 horsepower instead of 250 horsepower. I am told, based on a bunch of research, that there was a California mission's clerical change and how they calculated a horsepower that meant that it's actually the same exact engine

just so now they now have to report that it makes a 30-8 horsepower. Are you telling us that they came out with a performance version and have lowered the horsepower? They've lowered the horsepower for all of their two-liter mavericks. But Cohen's, coinciding with the arrival of a performance model has been a performance has been a decrease in performance that's what you're saying

their argument is that the engine is identical there's no decrease in performance of whatsoever that's what's what the lower horse are they rated 250 before they're now rating 238 and they're saying that there is no decrease in performance okay correct uh but seven speed transition are yeah how do you think the marketing team took that when they found out they're going to have to market this thing Can't they just bump it up? It's a turbo, right? So can't they just change the boost like a little to get back to the old number?

But this is Kennan's dream, right? Imagine if BMW came out with a version of their existing car. No more power, but upgraded suspension, faster zero 60 because they removed the gear, and bigger brakes, that's what you'd want. You know, you're exactly... This is a Maverick ZHP. When I think of Kenan's dream, I do think of an automatic front-wheel drive pickup truck, that you're exactly right.

I think it's all-wheel drive only, but I can't. can't i don't remember for sure well okay but it's front wheel drive when you're driving around san diego okay yep it is but it is the maverick zhp well and just like the previous car when the natural aspect v10 gated bando version comes out i will be thrilled dude imagine if there was an navit 10 oh there you go if somebody must have put like a hellcat on one right you know the last ford did the four did the four did a v10 not that long ago members in the econa line you know what we should do kennan this would take this would take more like a full one weak with a couple of cold ones, but we should do a swap equinolein v10 to into a match.

What's the horsepower bump? 20? We'll go down. It was a torque bump, okay? We're trying to tow. We got to haul our race car. All right, move on to the next topic, which actually is an interesting one. What happened here?

Philippa, what happened? Ricaro, the famous maker of seats, has declared bankruptcy or the equivalent in European courts. I'm sure you've researched this, but can I ask the question? that's on everybody's minds. Yeah. There is not a single high performance car that I have gotten into in the last five years that didn't have proudly have Ricaro's seats. Right, Kenan?

Right. Like, I get into like, I get into like the latest like infinity QX80, but like it's the sport version. And they have like Ricaro's. How does this happen? Right. Which executive was stealing money for the coming into room? Which executive was stealing money?

How do we find that out? They claim that, uh, costs and like supply issues throughout COVID and they also apparently lost a large contract. They don't say what contract that was. So Ricaro's automotive seats division, which apparently is separate from their like gaming seat and other seat divisions, was purchased in 2020 by a US-based investor. The thought being they could make faster decisions, they could pivot faster. I think that also probably means that they had higher performance expectations.

I don't know. Apparently they're just running out of money. Now, I have a theory which I think will bear out. But they're in every single car. But if costs go up and OEMs are notoriously hard to be a supplier for because they will eke out every single penny of savings that they can, it's hard to be an OEM supplier. I think that their profit margins were in there,

especially with rising costs. I have a real theory, though, that literally nothing will change. They have said that full production will continue throughout this process. They're still taking new orders. They're still fulfilling all orders. In my mind, this is like a, typical bankruptcy restructuring thing where actually nothing changes. Not me.

Not me. Me and Kenan are done with Riccaro. We can't trust him anymore. We can't trust him. But who do we trust? Is Sebelk going to pick it up and start making seats? I don't know who to trust because Ricard makes all the seats. That's the weird thing.

The company that makes all the seats went bankrupt. Well, wait a minute. Who's going to make the seats? Are we going to have to go back to sitting on milk crates like we used to do Kenan back in the 50s when we were racing NASCAR on the beach? Right, exactly. We're in shirts like I'm wearing now. But yeah, that's kind of the idea.

Nothing will change. I seem to be, I feel the same way. I don't think a whole lot will change here. It's a weird situation. I'm not as familiar with European bankruptcy procedures, but I truly expect that it's like a business move, not a fundamental change to their business. Philippo, are you familiar with seats?

Are you familiar with sitting in a car? Does your Fiat have Rikaros? Yeah. No, sorry. has Sparkos, doesn't it? I don't remember. I haven't driven in a month. I have.

Yeah, so, Kenan, tell us. I think there's Sparkos. I might be wrong. Sparko's going to come in and steal the whole game. Okay, so Ricaro's continuing as usual, but they filed bankruptcy so that their creditors don't continue to knock on their doors. I assume they're Italian to knock on their door. They are not Italian. They're, I believe, led Germany.

Oh, well, there's the real problem. Italians wouldn't run that company into the ground. They would have run it into the ground 25 years ago, and it would have been purchased by a multinational. conglomerate and then changed hands several times since. Correct. I mean, they were purchased by a large investment company. So here we are. Yeah, but that was recent. I don't know who makes the barth seats.

Now I'm like frustrated with this. One other small piece of news, by the way, that got overridden by the Ricarp piece, BBS has also filed for bankruptcy for like the seventh time in that 20 years. Yeah, BBS has been bankrupt since I've been alive. Ever since BMW said we can't continue to take your wheels because they're impossible to clean, BBS has been like, well, we're screwed. Yep. Kind of.

made the style 65s in the M5. They made a lot of wheels for BMW. But it is probably another situation exactly like you said. It's very difficult to be an OEM supplier. Yeah. And they have struggled in the past. Kenon, do you know what car that is sitting in the garage right now has BBS wheels in the office? Other than my M5? The Career GTs wheels made by BBS?

No. The Ford? Ford GT. There's an Alcoa that did the wheels for Porsche for the? You think I know? The upgraded Yeah, I would expect you to know. The upgrade wheel on the 4GT as a BBS,

but I am the only person in the world who prefers the stock-based model wheel. But I don't have it. You are the only person in the world. Hey, if anybody's listening and they have stock-based model 4GT wheels, I'll trade you as long as you throw me 20 grand cash plus your wheels. Okay. I have no idea what the wheels are worth. It's more about the cost of the annoyance for me of having to remove them from the car,

which Kenan and I would knock out over a long week of this cold ones. Yes. What is our next district? We have a man standing in front of an S-P-3. Yes.

So this man, Benedetto Vinya, is the CEO of Ferrari. And something very interesting happened at Ferrari. It wasn't really correlated this week, but it was fascinating.

So an executive received a text message or something like that from the CEO. And it said, are you aware of the merger that we're looking for or the acquisition

we're talking about? Of course, this is not occurring. And so he was very skeptical of this. And so he's like, call me. And so the number called him, and it sounded exactly like the CEO. And they were talking, but he was still very skeptical.

But it was the same Southern Italian accent. It was all the same mannerisms. And of course, it was an AI deep fake. And so the executive who was called thought on their feet, they're very quick on their feet, and thought to ask a personal question. They asked, what book did you recently recommend that his entire staff read? Because he's a CEO, and that's what you do. And the number promptly hung up.

But so it is amazing. the AI deepfakes are reaching everywhere, but it reaches all the way to the head of Ferrari, which is pretty wild. Okay. I've thought about this a lot. We need a code word. We do.

Okay, because what if you get deepfaked by me, and it's like, hey, Kenan, you've got to take the career GT and crush it into a building. We need a code word. To be fair, Doug, there are thousands of hours of you're talking. Right. It would be so easy to deep fake. So we need a code word.

And I think that the code word should. Yeah, that's right. Anybody could deep fake any of us. So we need a code word. And do you have any ideas? I think we can't say it on the air. No, listen, if someone's watching the pod and supporting us that way, then they can, they can steal from us. It's more.

Yeah. I would be more upset if it was someone who wasn't like that you were. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that the code word should be... Not Emily, I'll tell you that. Yeah, which should be Emily.

Luckily, we all know private details about Emily. So it worked. Hispanosuisa. That would be a good one. Hispanos Suisa would be good because most people can't pronounce it, but I committed to learning that. Emily, yeah, we all know private details about her. Like, she was born on New Year's Day, which is weird.

and she and Kenan have been intimate. Okay, let's move on to the next. So, sticking with the theme of exotic cars, it has recently been announced that Lamborghini is going to be announcing at Car Week on August 16th is when they're going to be announcing it. But there have been lots of spy photos of the car coming out and there's been some teaser shots like there's a picture over. of the tail lights, which are going to be hexagonal, surprise, surprise.

This does look like Lamborghini. Yes. Now, the name for this car is, I'm sorry. How's it pronounced for Lepa? It's Spanish. It's Spanish. Okay. So the name for this car is Tamario.

Temerario? Temerario. But it translates to, it translates to reckless in Spanish because Lamborghini names all their cars, I believe after bulls, but they're always Spanish names. And so this one's going to be reckless. Now, what's interesting also is some of the details that had come out about the car that we'll see if they're true or not. It's allegedly going to have a twin turbocharged V8 and a hybrid power train as well. The V8 allegedly is going to revved over 10,000 RPM, and it's going to produce about 780, 790 horsepower,

plus the assist from the batteries, which will bring it up to like 900 horsepower, so allegedly. Wow. We'll see if any of this is true, of course, in a couple of weeks. I'm very excited because I'm sure I will see it at Car Week when I'm there. but it's cool to know that the next Lamborghini is coming not at all a surprise that it's going down in cylinder count not at all surprised that it will probably be a hybrid but that's a lot of power but that is a lot of power

the current hurricane is at like 630 horsepower STO was 630 so if it really goes up to 800 now Revuelto is now at 1,000 so there is some room there there is some room but we'll see High revving, too. If that's true, like a turbocharged engine that revs over 10,000 is very difficult to understand because turbocharged engines don't generally rev super high.

So that would be amazing if true. But of course, all of this is speculation currently, but we do know that we're going to find details out later this month. The spy shot that we're looking at is a little disappointing, to be honest. It looks a lot like the current car. This is one of my big complaints with Lamborghini because I love the Revuelto when I drove it and I thought it was really cool. but it looks a lot like the Eventador and this looks a lot like the Huracon to be honest

I mean when they pull it off maybe there's going to be some interesting new stuff but I remember when Lamborghini's every new generation was like the craziest looking thing you had ever seen in your life and now they're just doing like subtle evolutions they went so crazy that now what are you going to do well but also Gandini happened and then everything has been derivative of Gandini since

basically yeah Gandini and he's there's an amazing YouTube interview of him in a Italian that's 30 minutes. I watched on the beach the other day for the second time. And he says exactly that, that he like had to create this design for the company. And since then they've been just, it hasn't been as, they haven't been as bold. And he wishes they were bolder and like would try new things. I mean, the wedge was a crazy concept in the 60s. And now it's like, well, that just kind of. Well, imagine if they did, what if they went back until the, from the mirror to the wedge, we went from beautiful round to wedge. What if they went from wedge to round all of a sudden?

Oh, man, try to get your head around that one. But it would be amazing. What if they did something like that? It would be so cool. That would be a big deal. But it's also not William Burgundy is anymore. No, that's true. But it would be really cool if they did that.

But nonetheless, instead of making a very, a car that's not like the current kuntash, or the more recent kuntosh. Do you know the issue with that? The orest then would just look like a kyan. If you can't have that. You can't have that. Man, what if, what if, no, but what if, no, no, Flipo, you're not thinking round enough. What if they went like, you, you, four, E-tron?

No, I'm saying like an oval car, like an oval car. Yeah. Like the car is an oval. You know what a round version of an event that it would look like? A GMEV-1. Kenan, Kenan, go to, no, you're not thinking round enough. That's so round. Kenan, go to Google images and type in oval car.

Let's see what comes up here. Oh, yeah, sure. That's a perfect example. Type in circle card. Type in circle car. Now, get out of there. I want to see a car that is literally a circle. This is the thing that Gandini would do now.

Circle car. There we go. Yeah. Look at that circle car. What if Lambo came out with that? Huh? Yeah, Felipe would be all over that. Hey, man, Aston Martin did one of those.

you're talking about this thing? Yeah, that is pretty much a little sphere. Imagine a Lamborghini, what I was going to say? I think the thing with Lamborghini is they can do any shape they want, as long as it's crazy. And to depart from their language currently to do something around, would be kind of crazy. I don't know that the people who buy Lamborghinis would go for it

because beauty isn't necessarily what they're interested in. They're interested in striking cars, not beautiful cars these days. But it would be pretty wild if they decided. You know what car? You know what car I'm kind of into the design, the strikingness of the design of? The Asthmael. The Aspen Martin Balchery, because it almost looks like an LMP car. You know, regulations make it hard to go really crazy.

Filippa doesn't know what this car is. There's like an Asper. It looks like an LMP. Don't you think that almost looks like that kind of looks like an LMP car on the road in a way that no one else is really doing. And that's kind of cool. Right, except for the Red Bull car we talked about last week. Which is not legal.

Which is not true. That, to my point, I mean, I think that it's hard to do a car that looks like this that actually can be driven. Well, yeah. Filippo, did you watch the pods when we were away? I'm sorry to say that I've not yet. What? You don't know about the Red Bull car? car? I will, I will, I'll be washing

them soon. Helipo Red Bull, the company that makes your favorite sugary drink is making a car, an automotive R. And not for like a stunt. No, like an actual. They're going to make 50 of them. They're going to sell them from zillion dollars.

Yeah. Fascinating. Okay. Time to move on to our next topic, which is we're going to talk about cars, cars, cars. Wait, we've already been talking about cars. Now, I want to mention to everybody that cars and bids will be at Monterey Car Week

you know Monterey Car Week I personally won't be there but Kenon will and you can walk up to him and say Kenon I love you stop spending money on your M5 please we'll also have a bunch of folks a bunch of other folks from our team there so if you do somebody with like a Cars and Miss Polo

go up saying if if 25 people walk up to Kenon and tell him to stop spending money on his M5 then he promised me that in the next 12 months he's only going to spend $10,000 on his M5 I would actually make that promise. But please don't. I understand.

And my M5 at that time will be in for the service that I've been discussing for all this time. How's the M5 doing? I see it over there with the hood pop. It's fine. So yeah, so the M5... Get on to that. That's our first topic there. Yeah.

So over the last now five episodes that we've done, I've talked about stuff with the M5. So the most recent thing was that the key stopped working and the ABS module had issues. The key stop working? The battery died. 22-year-old battery. Yeah, but can't you just replace the battery. No, you can't. It has to be serviced.

It has to be split apart by somebody who does this professional. I wish you had been here. Some of the stuff that he's been saying is insane. And the key thing is totally nuts. And of course, BMW won't do it anymore. So there's like a guy in like San Juan Capistrano who like does it. Close. Yeah, I can't remember his name, but he did it for me.

And they came back. And I can't. So they came back and they are fixed. but I can't initialize them to the car yet because if I do, because the ABS module is pulled it will throw a code. So I have to wait for the ABS module to come back before I can initialize the keys,

which is a really simple process. And then that will be done. It gets even worse. It gets even worse. He discovered from Ryan that the tune that he has on the car to stop the check engine light from turning on, the California smog has started to find that tune and they're not going to pass them in smog anymore.

So what are you going to do? Well, it was an intermittent issue, so I plan not to rehash this, I plan to, you can go back and watch the podcast. I will, I don't know fully what I'm going to do, but I think I'm going to take the tune off because it was intermittent, and then run it for a while, reinitialize the module, so if it doesn't come back,

run through smog. And if that happens, then I'll consider it. When's your next smog? Huh? When's your next smog? February. I have time to figure this out still, but not pleasant. Well, I've gone, Ken and texted me and said,

hey, can I borrow your car? I said, of course, sure, whatever. Which I offered before. Which I offered before, but, like, I didn't realize there were this is any additional issues. I thought the heat thing was the only lingering issue. No, I fix that one. Is the M5 not operant right now because the keys, you can't turn it on with the keys?

Well, the ABS module is currently out for service. So I sent that off to be restored. That is currently in Moscow, Idaho. They love potatoes there. I'll tell you that. Well, wait. First off, it's Moscow. Secondly, explain this to me because I'm curious.

You took out the ABS module. Does that mean the car won't run? Like, Felipe and I drive without ABS. We don't care. The car will run and I could drive it, but I have no ABS. So if that system's out of no ABS traction control or stability control. And granted that San Diego is dry, but I don't want to do that. I'm glad that you're being safe.

Yeah, it's just- You could just drive responsibly, but I'm glad you're taking the safe. I do drive responsibly, but if something were to happen. So what are you driving right now? So Felipeo lent me his Fiat 500 a bar to drive around in. Very fun car. You're still driving it? No. So I was driving that car and all of a sudden I noticed thump, thump, thump,

picked up a nail somewhere and they needed a flat tire. Now, I was going to go have it patched for Felipe, so he didn't have to contend with this when he returned from his European exploits. But I go to do this, and I noticed that all of the tires are severely dry-rodded. And they were 2016 date-cunded by how dry-outed. Not that old. They're eight years old. That's very old. I was planning to get any new tires regardless when I came back.

So, like, that's not a big deal. Which I offered to do for him. But Felipe being Philippa, I wanted to just put the same Mishlins that are on it on it. It was a front one too, so you need to do both of the front ones. And Philippe was like, no, he wanted a chance to look at cheaper options when he got that. I didn't say cheaper. I said different options because I don't need high performance all seasons in California. I can just go for high performance summers.

Kenan, I'm going to tell you what he's going to do. I'm going to tell you what he's going to do. He's going to go to one of those tire places in Midway. And he's going to ask what Chinese tires they have. And they're going to quote him. And then he's going to say, this is going to happen, Kenan. He's going to look at the guy and say, do you have anything used? No, I care a lot about tires and having saved tires.

The dry lot issue was... Clearly, you do, because you had eight-year-old tires that were cracked. They're cracking. So you obviously care a lot about having high-quality tires. And the guy's going to look at him and say, well, you currently have 2016 tires. I got some 2018. And Filippo's going to say, no, no, no. Slap him on.

And he's going to say, you get anything older? I spent a while last night looking through a bunch of reviews for different high performance, summers. He thinks he's going to do this. Of course I am. I will have tires ordered by the end of the day. Although I will say I did put up a post

in Carzman's community with like a bunch of different tire options that I'm considering. And a few people have given helpful feedback. If anybody listen to Pod knows about any of these tires, has them on their a barth?

Let me know. Go to Carsnet. I have some helpful feedback. What? I have some helpful feedback. The, kind of guy who didn't realize he was driving around on eight-year-old dry-rodded tires probably won't notice the difference between the Pirelli's. To be entirely honest, I realize. I just been busy.

I would have realized if I were allowed to clean the car, but I wasn't in your absence. You've been in the car, but I have been aware, but I do drive the car generally from here to the office or from here to home, and that's two miles. So I felt okay with it, knowing that when I came back, I would deal with it. Quite dirty. Well, a car goes incredibly dirty. But anyway, that happened while he was away. So I had to give the, so he asked me to part. the Fiat 500 at his house, which I did. So now I'm driving my friend Kevin's Subaru WRX STI, his STIW.

Which has been an interesting experience, which I cannot think of a much more antithetical car to who I am. But there are some things I really like about it. Love the engine. Love the transmission. I like the handling in general. I can't stand the ride, the build quality or anything like that. It's just like it's very rattle-canny.

It's fun, but it's just not my sort of car. I do think it's a very good-looking car. I actually really like the way it looks personally. So the build quality is real bad. You need a car like your M5 that was really constructed sturdily with no problems. I agree with you. Yeah. But the materials are better in the M5.

There's no question about that. Not the ones that wear. Well, the interior is perfect in my car. Not the ABS module. Yeah, yeah. So you've been driving around on an STI hatch. Like you're just driving on an STI hatch. like you're one of those SDI Hatchkegat?

You? Yes. And boy, man, people are not nice to you on the road when you drive one of those. Like, everybody hates you.

I can't believe the number of, like, I'm just trying to drive as normally as possible. I'm trying to be a polite man. Normally as possible. I get caught off all the time. First gear to Red Line, second gear to Redline and then.

Nah. Not always. Getting on ramps, yes, but like, no, generally, generally I'm just puttering around town. And you got to understand that every person,

person in the world, especially in California, they're a landlord who's had an STI hatch owner who didn't make rent payments. Or they're an employer who had an STI hatch owner as an employee who would no call no show. Or they're a person who lived next door to an STI hatch owner and they would vape in the shared space, et cetera, et cetera. Like everybody has had some bad experience with an STI hat. I get it. And then I get out of it. It's quite a say. Like I said, it's antithetical to who I am. But I'm glad I got the experience.

I've never driven an SDI before, so now I can check the one off the list. The barthes is also pretty antithetical to who you are. Yeah, yeah, your barth is fun. But yes, I agree. Like, yeah. A white one, I think, would be kind of like, just it's a little lighter. You know, the other one is like so aggressive, you know, your car is. But I had a lot of fun driving your car, and we found out the performance is pretty good.

It's not bad. It's pretty good. No, it is. It's pretty fun. Well, there you go. So look at all these great new experiences Kenon gets to have because his M5 hasn't been operant for the better part of 24. Speaking of new car experiences,

Filippo, it sounds like you've been driving around in some boring European cars that no one listening to this podcast will care about. Correct. It's been great. We were in Italy for about three weeks, and I drove about 2,500 miles, which in Italy is far. A feat. Did about 500 miles on Opel Grandland, which is horrible. It then had an oilish.

so I went back to switch it out. That's not what happened. You didn't want to keep driving the Grandland. Pull up the Oval Grandland. That is true. I legitimately did not want to, especially in Italy. We were just two of us. We didn't need it.

But then it, no, no, that's the new version. Go to the one on the left. This one. Yeah, or that one. Doesn't matter. But then it legitimately did have an oil issue as well. And I decided that driving 2,500 miles, I didn't want to have to fill my rental card with oil.

No, he didn't like the fact that they did. gave him an automatic crossover. It was manual. Thank you. I insisted. They wanted to give me a Jeep Renegade at first. I said, no. Well, what do you mean? That's an Italian built. You would blend right in. Automatic G. Brennigate.

It wasn't interesting. No. So then you went into a new 208, which people like. The new Peugeot 208 GT had 100 horsepower. 150 pounds feet of torque, though. It was great. It's not a good handling car. It has, like, the chassis isn't great.

The handling isn't good. But the interior is pretty nice. It looks pretty nice. Six-speed manual. Go to the interior. It's actually like the interior feels way higher quality than you'd expect. Like those switches. Now, go to the other photo.

You can't see the. We got to be able to see the switches, can't it? Yeah. The switches are great. The materials are really nice. It has a tiny Peugeot steering wheel. Yeah. Which is cool.

Because because the gauge cluster is over the steering wheel. And the gauge cluster has like a 3D effect. it's very odd. I turned off every single thing that was 3D effect because it was horrible. But it was great. No, it's so great.

Mercedes have that in the U.S. They're great. I love it. It's an amazing feature. The only thing that was 3D as far as I could tell was the tack and the speedometer were just 3D affected.

That's it. It was bright green. Well, but it looks cool. This is coming to Kenan's car in the future. You know, back in the day, we used to have 3D spitometers. They were physical. Kenon tell them about physical speedometers.

And they were, The needle was on top of the thing, and so it worked great. And that was 3D. On the remote for the 208, there were three buttons. Guess what they did? So it's not going to lock?

That is two. Guess what the third button did. Oh, no, I know what it does. It turns out, it flashes the lights a thousand times. It just turns on the, like, three lights on the lower valence. So it's like a fine, my car situation? I don't know. Yeah.

I think they're just really proud of that design cue. No, it is a fine my car situation, Kenon. I had a citron in Europe a few years ago, and it didn't do that, but it flashed the lights like 10 times when you did it for that exact purpose, because the designs are so anonymous that you'd lose the car otherwise. I have to admit, I was in Europe myself a couple of months ago, and I saw a lot of new 208s. None of them were in this spec.

I find the Europeans, it's so funny, the European manufacturers send out these press photos of specs that no one ever in Europe order. Because in Europe, they go to the car dealership and they say, do you have one without windows? Can I get one? Do we, are mirrors? Do I need mirrors? Can I save you $10?

Could I save some money and not get headlights like a NASCAR? Could we do that? I don't drive at night. The one that I have black, it did have diamond cut wheels. It was great. There were two odd things. The steering wheel is weird and I got back to my Mercedes wagon today to run an errand. And I realized that I, like, the steering wheel just feels so huge.

and the steering feels so heavy and I realize now that's because I spent 2,000 miles driving around in that and it's a three it's a gas three cylinder but all power goes away by about 3,500 RPM so just does it continue like 6,000 but there's no acceleration

to be had just after 3500 RPM that's why he shifts it at 1900 or whatever it actually matches my driving style perfectly he shifts at 800 but it felt like a diesel he was in six that like 27 miles an hour but he's gone through every year on the way there. It's very unusual. He once said

I think to me, he said once I'm out of my driveway I'm in third gear, his driveway is four and a half feet long, so it's pretty impressive. By the end of my street, I'm in third gear. That's pretty reasonable. We need to move on to the next thing, which is the market report. The market report.

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And so I have just exchanged money for myself to spend. sponsor myself. One hand or the other. That feels somehow illegal. It's all a tax write-off. No, I'm kidding. None of that happens. But this is sponsored by cars and bids, and there are two great market report topics.

I want to start with the Lexus LC. Yes. Beliko, you know the Lexus LC? I'm familiar. Okay, there's two versions. And I remember I was on the press launch of this or something, and they were touting how there's a V8, NAV8, or you can get the same horsepower if you get a hybrid model. But it's a V6.

but it's the same power, but it's way more efficient. Well, the market has decided which one they prefer. We sold a V6 one, admittedly, the oldest and highest mileage one we've sold so far, but we sold it for peanuts compared to what the V8s are going for. What was the sale price there? The sale price of that one was $45,000. Now, it had $57,800 miles on it. And it was an 18.

And it was an 18. But we also just sold a 2021 LC500, granted, it was $14,500 miles. But we sold that for 17,800. 75. So this car is three years newer with, with, you know, a third of the miles or something. But the point remains, and this is true if you go on auto trade or whatever, the market has decided that one Lexus LC is desirable and one Lexus LC is not. Now, this is a good opportunity if you want to look like a Lexus LC cool guy poser and pick up a used V6 hybrid and like debadge it and like make the noises out the window, you know.

That makes me want an LXX. They also don't make anywhere near the same horseback. No one wants an LC 500 age. I thought the performance numbers were similar. No. Like, I don't think that's anywhere even close to being accurate. 471 horsepower, 398 foot pounds of torque from the 500. And for the 500H, the V6, it makes 350 horsepower, 350 foot pounds of torque.

Fine. 17 fewer horsepower and a little bit less torque. No, no, no. 17. It's a hundred and seven. Sorry. Sorry, he said 371. My bad.

It's a hundred horse. Kenan, you're missing the point. It is more efficient. The problem is, the problem is that you look at a beautifully styled sports coupe and you think to yourself performance. But what Lexus wanted you to think was three more miles per gallon. That's very Lexus. But I adore the LC 500. I have since it came out.

I would like to own one at some stage. they also they seem to be holding their value very well which it's one of the cars that is and I made I compiled a list recently of cars that are holding their value and that's definitely one of the ones on it surprising I thought these cars would be much cheaper than there now I mean they started out above 100 right the Lexus the Lexus Performance cars and Lexus desirable cars

always hold their value well the LXF does great value well the RC the ISF they all hold their value well because people think that they're the LFA you know the the ISF does no other the ISF hold the volume Those two. Yeah, all of them. What are you looking at me for? Fine, fine, fine, fine.

He's over here with his Toyota goat. You've stolen them from me. I wish I could be sleeping with them every night. But here's the question I have. Has there ever been a car in the history of cars where one single letter, in this case a lowercase H, makes so much difference

to the character, performance, and desirability of an automobile? Do you agree that there's nothing on the planet that would get you into the hybrid version? No. The V8 one you kind of want? No. I do not agree in the least.

V8 or nothing, I mean. You want the hybrid one? Yeah. Save 30 grand. Huh? But you don't get the main benefit of the car. Maybe you have the cars that it looks good and it's luxurious. No.

That V8's amazing. The V8 is amazing. Yeah, but Toyota hybris are great. We love the Highlander hybrid. Same engine, probably. But, Felipe, I like the Highlander hybrid to drive around my family and get 30 miles per gallon, not to, like, scoot around. You could drive around in a beautiful car and still get 30 miles at a gallon.

Yeah, but if I want to drive around in a beautiful car, I'm taking it out on the weekends. I want to have some fun with it. I'm not trying to get 30 miles per gallon. I'm trying to make a good sound, a good V8 sound. By the way, the new Lexus LC, the 2024, somehow has an even less powerful hybrid engine. They still offer the hybrid? I'm looking now. Did the California Air Resources Board tell them they have to calculate their horsepower differently?

So it's lower now? Maybe. How much power is it? No, it's 354 net combined horsepower now. Yeah, that's what it was. For some reason, the Google little pop-out show 295. I think when you Google it, for some reason, it gives you the power only of the gas engine. Fun fact, the LC-500 H costs $4,000 or $3300 more than the LC-500.

Yeah, that's, Kenan, did you hear that? It's more. Lexus actually thinks people are going to walk into the dealer and be like, I want the bad-sounding, less powerful one, and I'm going to spend more money for it, But I'm doing it because I get an extra 20% of fuel account. Okay, okay, wait, let's talk with that a second. The LC500 has a 4.4 seconds 060 time and 18 months per gallon combined. 1.8.

The Lc500 H, 4.7060, barely different. And it gets 29 miles per gallon combined. But it doesn't sound. It doesn't have the sound. First off, the zero to 60 times, I agree, are barely different, but they are different. And number two, look at all the LCs we've sold. People aren't driving these enough to keep. care about the fuel economy rating.

We're selling cars that have that have 800 miles that are three years old. These are like old people are buying these things and then storing them in a garage to only take out to dinner like three times in their lives. And now we can get a bargain as a result. We sold it 19 a couple of months ago with 13,000 miles. That's a five-year-old car. The dude's driving at 2800 miles. Yeah, that's the one I went up and reviewed. I love that car.

That interior, that styling, the engine. I know. Great car. The convertible highlights even better. Yeah. I've never been in a convertible? I've never driven the convertible. I would like to.

The convertible has a cloth soft top so it looks amazing. And remember, for 24, they have the good new infotainment. Right. Right. But unfortunately, to get that, you have to spend $107,300. Yeah, but or you can buy the hybrid version in two years and it'll cost 367. Ooh. That's an idea.

Unfortunately, there is no hybrid convertible. Oh, really? I'm learning this solely by looking at the LC page right now. Because it convertals about style and enjoyment. A hybrid drive train ain't about that. On the subject of cars that have held their value well, Kenan, you have a car that has not held its value well. Give it to us.

Yeah. So recently, we had a Maserati Ghibli on the site. We've sold a number of these cars, of course, but this one was bid to $14,500. Now, you might be thinking, oh, it must have a zillion miles on an accident. Nope. 31,500 miles, clean car facts,

and a nice color combination, too. Admittedly, I don't like the red on the down. It has a lot of red, but it's silver with a red interior. And it was a bid to 14-5. And so my question is, these cars have been transacting kind of in the low 20s high teens. No, no, we sold one for 16. Go back that white one there on the top row. We sold for 16 a couple of months ago.

Right. So my question is, these cars can't be far from being worth 10 grand. Totally. I bet you could find one. I'll bet an accident with a lot of miles in a bad color combo. I bet you could find one. But the one, the silver one that just ended, someone called me out on Twitter. Someone called me out on Twitter and they were like, Doug talked about how bad it is.

And then he writes this Doug's take about how great this car is. And I'm like, yeah, I talked about how bad it was when it was $83,000. It's now 14. That really hides a lot of the flaws when you could buy it for the same price as a nine-year-old civic. Or an E-46, 325. Yeah, I mean, I don't think, you know, it's remarkable that this inexpensive. or like getting that way. I guess it's not at all surprising as the car is not that great,

but there's, but it is quite a thing. I mean, in theory, it could be high school driving around and these is their first car. Yeah. Totally. Dude,

14. I mean, I'm serious about this. Like, I think it's a bad car. But when you can pick up one for 14 or 16 or whatever, this is 350 horsepower. It's a Maserati.

Like, you want to look balling on a budget. And I, you have to assume this is far more reliable. than the previous quatro porte. I mean, which had all those problems. If you compare it to that.

Well, I would compare it to like the previous sedan that got cheap. I don't know. I mean, obviously there's, this is the smaller version. But when you drive this thing around, people think you just have a Maserati.

And you spent 14 on it. Like, that's a pretty good thing. Philippo, you should do this. Here's the thing. In the last like six, nine months, six months, a lot of like luxury small cars have gone cheap. Can you go to like F-31's?

Mm-hmm. F-31. I watch the F-31 market because I wanted one. Yeah, F-31s are cheap now. Oh, my gosh. We sold the 14, one-owner-14 for 16. Yeah. There's $6,600 for one?

Every single F-31 about two years ago was $30,000 for no clear reason. Yeah. And now they're not. Like, we're regularly selling them for 11, 15. Kennan, Kenan, buy an F-31. Get rid of your own. Buy an F-31. Such a good-looking car.

It's a good-looking car. They have rod-bearing and timing chain guide issues. which is part of why they're getting so cheap. Including the 330s? I don't know if the 330s. The four cylinder... That engine in both guys, I believe, has problems. But regardless, I feel like all of these small luxury sedans and wagons

have just gone real cheap over the last six months. They had held their value throughout COVID, but it's not just a Ghibli that's gotten cheap. No, totally. Everything is cheap, cheap, cheap. The prices have totally come down on stuff that is desirable. I didn't realize this about F-31's. We're selling F-3-1s under 10,000.

We sold that 2015 with 125,000 miles for 60. I mean, I'll take that. Had some issues. I looked closely at it, but yeah. I don't care. 6,600 bucks? You kidding? Kennan, that could become, that could become Kenon's car that he drives when his M5 isn't

working, which honestly, he'd end up driving it most of the time. That's not true at all. My M5 has been, never mind. I'm not over talking about it. I was gone for a month, Kenon. I was gone for three weeks. Did you drive it? Yeah, I drove a little bit in that period.

You drove it around and the heat was blasting on his feet. You're right. In the 80,000 miles I drive it 10,000 miles a year. I drive the car. Early F30s of the sedan are under tense. That's crazy. Kenan, you watching this? That is crazy, but I just don't want to do it. Look at that 2012.

Wow, that is wild, though. Dining Mods, California car. $8,200. Now, it had 120,000 miles. It may have had an accident. These cars all have issues, though. Don't these cars all have fuel power? all sorts of, I mean, BMW engines are always questionable, right?

Yeah, they have a great long-held tradition of making questionable. I'll tell you, though, at 11 grand or 8900. Look at this, people, look at this 2013 Active Hybrid 3 that sold for 8900. And I love the Active Hybrid 3. Of course you do. It's obscure and its benefit was fuel economy. I know. This is a cool.

I was really into this one. 135 horsepower. That's a cool car. I was, um, if that car had been in California, I think it would have been. Dude, that car can go full electric for two and a half miles up to 45 miles an hour. You could have driven that to work every day, full electric. Why don't you buy this? This was $8,800.

Because there was in Michigan, but, and I only buy cars that are near to me, like, geographically. Down the street. Yeah. Who cares it's in Michigan. Kenner would drive it home for you. He did it once. Yeah.

I've done it once. It's legitimately notable how cheap cars have gone in the last six months. Like, it's been a shift. The market is cooled. You can find cars again. New car incentives are up. And that means that these used near luxury ones are just deals. Yeah, depreciation, the natural course of depreciation has back.

He's back. Is back. And strength. Okay, we got to move on to Q&A, Q&A, Q&A. This is where people ask us questions and we answer them. Now, remember, you can ask us a question. You go to cars and bids.com. You click on the community tab at the top, and there will be a post that says,

ask your podcast questions here. And we will ask, we will answer the top upvoted podcast questions no matter how bad they are. Do you understand? And I've selected the top podcast questions, okay? He says this, but the questions are usually very good. They're almost always good. Sometimes they're bad, but they're almost always good. And so today we're going to answer the top podcast questions,

starting with the number one podcast question of the week from Raul Mendoza. Question for the group. Have you guys considered doing a cheap car challenge like the good old top gear challenge days, each buy the same type of cheap car and go on an adventure together? I would love to see what you guys would pick, et cetera. Yeah, we should do that. Why haven't we done that? Felipe actually has a job for the company.

That's part of the problem. As do I. But yeah, Filippa has a more serious job than I do. But I think that that's a great idea. Yeah, I would love to do that. I would love to do it. We all got 15 grand to buy a cheap car, and we had to drive it like to Canada.

I think the real reason is time, but Doug will be back on the West Coast this fall. Well, we'll maybe have some time to do that. And also, you all need to watch them. That's the, like the, not to go too far behind things. Like, the track day was incredibly fun. It seemed like for you guys, that was a great, like, starting to do some challenges. If everybody wants that.

Yeah, I mean, part of the problem is, to be totally honest, YouTube doesn't incentivize you to do fun stuff like that. Like, if you look at my channel, my channel, I got into the parking lot with a camera or to our office, right? And I film a video. It's very cheap to do. And they do pretty well. And but then we do some weird stuff, like the track day or like the Nick Yellow Range Rover. And those have done okay, but it's not like, you know, the audience isn't, doesn't like show up.

and get all excited for that. And so like a cheap car challenge thing where we spend a week on the road that takes us away from being able to do other content for a week and it can be hard to financially justify. I think it would be fun, but I don't necessarily know

that it would like even do better than like the podcasts or the videos that we've done together like where we go car spotting or things like that. So that's kind of the actual answer drawback to that. If everybody goes and watches that track day in comments, hey, we want cheap car content.

Maybe we could find a way to make work. Look at this cheese. Okay. Next question. from Ammon Tron, what is the worst V12? Kenan? Probably a Jaguar V12, I would imagine. Yeah, that's about that. Probably.

I mean, I still think those are cool engines, but I mean, they're not super powerful. They're not super exotic. They're difficult to keep running. Probably a Jaguar. I'm trying to think of other ones that are not good. You know what a terrible V12 was? When Jaguar announced, speaking of Jaguar,

When Jaguar announced, the X-J-220 would have a V-12, and everybody got all excited, and then it came out with a 15- That was a bad V-12. Don't promise on things you can't deliver. Apparently, values on those cars are down notably this year. What X-J-220s? How much? If I can get one in the threes, I'll do it.

Let's have a conversation. Haggarty every year puts out like a winners and losers the last year, and the X-J-220 was, like, their big loser. Can I get one in the threes? Me and Ken, and it'll split it. X-J-220s are down 10%. So what? What does that mean?

I don't follow that market. I don't, I, you think I've watched the market here? What a classic.com. You asserted that you knew. You're over here. You're taunting me. You're like, ooh, XJ 220's are cheap. Good condition apparently is around 360.

360. Tenon. Kenan. We need to buy an XJ220. Now, of course, that's at a service place here in San Diego has had one for a long time. I think they're going on three years of attempting to get it to run. Well, probably, probably there's some. It probably was flood damaged.

I bet a clean one would be fine. I don't think I was running when it arrived. In all honesty, I've looked at XJ220s before, dead serious, as an actual serious, potentially interested person. And what I've discovered, the thing that put me off of them immediately is that all of them have low miles, all of them. I always look for high-mage cars so I can get a driver that I can use, but the XJ220s all have low miles.

And that kind of started making me think, why do they all have low miles? And the reason is because everyone is terrified to drive them. in part because they are the same length as Kennan's commute, but also because they are unreliable pieces of crap. And the only service point, the only real service point is in the UK, which is a problem for us because we live in a different continent across a vast ocean. Those are all very reasonable objections to... However, have you seen the headlights?

Yep. You've driven one as well. I drove one around Connecticut or something, and it was a masterful, no, Long Island, and it was a masterful experience. It felt like Connecticut because I was in an XJ-222. Okay, let's move on to the next question. We're way on there. The next question from Lexus Luther,

which car or brands owner's stereotypes have proven to be pretty spot on? Almost all of them, to be honest. We're very fortunate that we interact with a lot of these owners of the cars, and you can always tell it's going to be more particular. We've had a number of BMWs where someone comes through

and they have spreadsheets of every service that they've ever done, It's like very like very hyper specific Porsche people same thing. You know, really specific owners. And then yeah, and then like some of the Italian car people are like, yeah, whatever. You know, it's like it's kind of, it's all those stereotypes are pretty true. Yeah, Raptor people. Camero owners, Mustang owners, STI people.

I've never found a car stereotype to be untrue. Wow. Am I wrong? Philippo, am I wrong? Your little Italian guys drive around a little Italian car. What are you guys? Hard to argue with facts like that. There's always some truth.

There's stereotypes or stereotypes for reason. Car stereotypes are constantly updating and like there's some truth to all of them. Not everybody will have Walvo's fit. Well, Filippa's going to be very diplomatic about this, but I'm going to, he doesn't want to get political. He's afraid that I'm going to get political. That's what he's worried about right now. He's sitting there like, is Doug going to go into a rant about Republicans or Democrats? No, I'm not.

Now, what about my Mustang owner and Camero? owners. You're trying to bait me. It's more of a pickup truck thing because those Sequoia fender flares are just ridiculous. Okay. Next question. From that silver 86, Doug, I know you live on Nantucket, but why did you choose the island? What drew you to the island, et cetera?

It's cool. It's very beautiful. Felipe and Kenan come visit me every year and we go swimming together. And we just hope that, we just hope that Kenan doesn't get eaten by a shark, but you never know. Okay. Next question from Big Altima Hater. Question for all, what are the top five most overrated and underrated car brands? Too hard to answer, but let's do the most overrated and underrated car brand.

Overrated. Overrated Toyota, Land Rover. Oh, Land Rover might be a good one. Yeah, Land Rover might be decent. I feel like BMW is a little overrated. Yeah, BMW, I think. There's a reputation that. created their rating.

Yeah. And it no longer really... Yep. I got a neighbor with the next seven, and it's just like... I consider Mazda in car-enthusiest circles to be overrated. Oh. Not in the general population, which is nothing about Mazda, but like the car enthusiast world.

Good. Well, all right. Okay. I agree, but only off-camera. On camera, no... A former Mazda owner, you had an MX-5? I had an MX-5. It's fine.

but like every car journal says like oh the cx5 is the best mall crossover because the Mazda makes it the Mazda sex which no human has bought in 20 years is the best mid-sized sedan no they're fine the CX5 thing is so funny to me car journalist freak out about this car this is the driver's choice for compact crossovers every one of them says that they freak out about it I've driven all those cars they are indistinguishable and in fact I truly believe that if you blindfolded them and put them in the cars and drove them, like, had them on a huge parking lot where they wouldn't crash in anything. They would not be able to tell the day.

It's like the French wines versus California wines, and when they actually did a blind taste test, they couldn't tell the difference. I swear to God, that would be the case with the CX5 and the other ones. It doesn't handle any better. Maybe a little. What is an underrated car rent? Polstar. Oh, interesting.

With the one car they sell in the US? Yeah, Paul Star Wait, you know actually the answer Aspark Yeah Nice, very nice I was I don't know

I feel like I really like the I really like a lot of Hyundai's Yeah, Hyundai Kim is still underrated I hear that yeah I always felt that the The Stinger was underrated Because you love yours

And it's a brilliant car And I think that like the Like we talked about the Ionic N I think that that is the future potentially the future of performance cars and I think it kind of still gets glossed over us we live in the land of new cars here in Southern California you see them all the time

I have not seen one on the road one ionic five end not yet no so like I think that's a really underrated car and people really should go drive that thing I was blown away at how good it was by the way the answer for over I totally agree with you I think Hyundai Kia is still probably the answer for underrated which is funny because they've made so many inroads but they're still the answer for overrated

as I was just thinking about it Jaguar Maza Roddy. Yep. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I don't disagree. I also, I'm very hesitant to say it, but I think...

Oh, no. I think, like, some Porsches, I think are very over. Like, a normal, like, a normal, like... I'm sure, it's great. It's great, but... When we discovered in that normal, like, when, in the comparison video, it was in a 9-A-1 Boxer base and the Boxer Spider, the Boxer is great. Filippo.

But it's great. It's great. But, yeah. But when we got a question last week where someone said, said what's like the most overrated, like, vintage or something, I don't remember. And we all unequivocally said the 356, and now they hate us over at the Spike Ferrisdon podcast. So we have to be careful, Kenan about insulting Porsche. Yeah, I don't think that it's over.

I don't think it's the most overrated. I think some aspects of Porsche are overrated. But generally, the cars are excellent, so it's like hard to. Kenan, Kenan. Spike, we can't do this to the Porsche audience. They're going to hate us even more. I like Porsches. I really wanted Porsche's.

Okay, I have one more question. No, two more questions that are both really good. And then we're going to stop for this. I see the question you've highlighted. It's excellent. The next question from Antek-Patak. Kenan doesn't see this question, does he? The question is, would Kenan spend, by the way, Kenan,

it is unbelievable to me how people misspell your name. I don't think I've seen a correct spelling. And people, I swear to God, and it's wild some of the spellings that people come up with. But anyway. What's this one out of curiosity? E-N-A-N-N-A-N. My father's name is Ken. My mother's name is Nancy. They put Ken Nan together. That's how they got my name, Kenan. Okay. Would Ken Ann spend less money on maintenance if he had an E-60 M-5 instead? That's an interesting question. You can write money on it. The E-60 would be, I can almost guarantee would be more because, I mean, again, my friend Ryan works on all the time. 60 bills come out a lot higher from his shop than E3-9s, and they come out with a greater frequency.

He is customers who go and spend way more. He bulletproof some. But yeah, but they consume more. Like the throttle actuaries are a consumable item that need to be replaced every 30,000 miles. The rod bearings get consumed, even if you do put the B.E bearings in it, that helps tremendously.

Yeah, but imagine this, Kenan. You're driving around. You're driving around an N.AV10. You're shifting gears near N.AV.10. And then you go to change the climate control. and you start turning that dial and you spend you spend two three minutes right and then the car goes blinglinglingling warning for something yeah that car is it would be one of the all-time great cars if it had any modicum of reliability and it just does not even compare to the e-39 i've spent a lot on mine but the difference is the money i put into it will last the e-60 needs it like all the time regardless it's an exotic car that just happens to look like a sedan the other answer to this question that's important is um The answer could be yes, but it's Canon, and he would maintain his E60M5 to the same level that he maintains the E39M5. And that therefore, like I think if you cheaped out on E6DM5 maintenance, which every E6DM5 owner has, you would be cheaper.

But if you maintained it like Canon, it would actually cost you more because it is a less reliable car. The final question comes from Car Farm. This is a great one. Out of the cheapest 10 cars that you have ever sold on cars and bids, which is your favorite? which has the best chance of increasing in value over time. Kenon, go to cars and bids, sort for the very cheapest we've ever sold in the history of the cars. So there are your top, there are your bottom 10.

Okay. So there's this Dodge van. There's a Dodge 600, Saab 900. It's those 10 there. Yes, these 10. Which ones will appreciate. Okay, well, that RX8 is probably off the road now. Do we agree?

Yep. Yep. A few of them are used Chryslers, which never go anywhere. like the two Dodgers, the Chrysler New Yorker, and the Renault Alliance. The Renno Alliance isn't a different category. Let's be nice to it. Okay, you're going to say that? No, no, no, no, just comparatively.

I think this RX8, if memory serves, one of the reasons why it sold solo was it was in, it needed some TLC, like it needed, the wheels need to be refinished, the pictures were quite bad. This was a very early on car for us as well. I think I may have even edited this one. Well, the main known flaw is the vehicle smokes upon startup and occasionally has difficulty starting on hot days.

And with a rotary, that means you will be replacing the engine in the next nine weeks. Yes. All right, but which one would you most want to own? The C32. C32. It is between that and the Saab 900 Turbo because I came within minutes of buying a $900 sob 900 Turbo 5 years, 12 years ago. Yeah, this Saab 900 Turbo seems like it was under value.

It's a one-owner car. No, no, I want to be clear. That is the value of a Saab-N-Hen-Rubber turbo. It's actually more 1,994 big ones It's actually more than the value of a 900 turbo But I love these The car was repainted in 13

NG 900s are great Trans will occasionally pop it out of reverse But if you hold it in position It'll keep it in gear True of all of them Classic And this is such an early cars and vids car Yeah, December of 20

The interior looks pretty nice Look at the interior You look at it looks pretty nice Yeah It looks pretty clean I love I legitimately love NG sub 900s How come we're not driving this car right now?

Is this a two-door? Yeah. Yeah. I've come very close to by multiple sobs, including an actual side 900 and an NG sub-900 and an OG sob 9-3. You know, the real mistake was letting that Peterson van on. How did we get conned into running a non-running project? It's so cool. It's owed by the Peterson.

It went for 1,700 United States. Yeah. The known flaw was that the fuel tanks are expired and you can't drive it until you replace them. And it also doesn't even crank. It's like an F50. You can't drive because the fuel tanks expire. Yeah, yeah. That's exactly what it's except.

This is a B-250. Otherwise, the second part of the question was which will appreciate the most. And I think there's a clear answer here. The 3,000 GT. That or the C-32 AMG. I think both don't. I don't think the Mercedes.

The C-32 was a bargain. It was in Canada. and I think that scared away the bidding, but that was a bargain. I want that car. Can I have one of those? Do you guys remember that that, uh,

Rav four? It was such an early car for Carson Bids, so on the right there. Yeah, the Ravre four. I thought it was so cool. Hey,

if you go down through the next five, that 1990 Pontiac Grand Prix, I want that now. I currently want that car. It's a, look at that. Look at that. Look at those first three interior pictures.

The first one is the steering wheel, which is full of button. God, it's the best steering wheel. Interior picture. Look at those interior picture. Look at those interior picture. on that Grand Prix. The first one is the steering wheel,

which is all buttons, makes no sense. Then the next one is the shifter. You got a manual. And then the third one is this absolutely bizarre display that was conceived by, you know, GM people in the 90s in Detroit. I mean, this is great stuff.

But at least you always know the day of the week. I also thought that this Gen Grand Prix looked not great, but like it's iconic. The taillights. It's all just iconic. It was an absolute icon. I totally agree.

God, go to picture number 37. How about the fact that you can individually adjust these three, like, half circles on the seat back? You can choose which one you want to adjust and adjust them individually at the bottom there. Look at that. That's incredible. That is the pinnacle of luxury. This is the stupidest car I've ever seen. It has blue color matched wheels, and I want it.

This sold for $24,000. Felipe, why didn't you buy this? It's also the only manual one we've ever auctioned. it's the only manual one that exists. I think that's true. And also there are no more automatics that exist either. Because it was bad. But I want it.

They've been consumed in the Rust Belt where they've been driven by people who have been recently divorced for a long time. That's right. This is in Milwaukee. How did this not get just destroyed in Milwaukee? This is incredible. Kenan, you edited that listening.

Yeah, it was a long time ago. That was the first, yeah, this was July of 2020, right? That was the very beginning. That was the first month of the site. That person probably got one of those cash bonuses we gave out to the original seller. Okay, that's the answer to that question on my opinion. And that's our podcast for today. Best show we've ever done.

Philippo, it is so nice to have you back. It's nice to be back. I have missed you so much. We've all missed you, Felipe. We're glad you're back. I'm glad you had a nice vacation. It was wonderful, but I'm glad to be back. Okay.

Well, it's so nice to have you, and we look forward to all future podcasts, including you. Do you guys have any parting words? We'll see what the M5 does to me this next week. Don't do much because you're not driving it. That's the only way you can ensure that it won't cost money. If anybody has higher opinions, find my post in the 500 of Barth community. Let me know. Yeah.

My opinion is replaced the 8-year-old dry-rodded ones. Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye.