THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - How Long Will Electric Cars Survive? Best Ferrari Under $100K? The Next Popemobile?

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

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and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippo. There's a lot to discuss today. Let's start with the news. Can we first say, welcome back, Kenan. Thank you. It's very good to be back. I've been gone for a long time.

I was in Europe. I'm really happy to be home. And we're going to discuss all that. Kenon has done some gallivanting, and it's a lot of automotive-related stuff. And that will be coming up in the talk car segment where we talk about cars. But first, we have to talk about cars.

Go ahead. Good call. All right. Rivian, which makes SUVs and pickup trucks. said this week that they lost $1.1 billion in Q2 of this year. Now, on about $1.3 billion of revenues. Now, their revenues are up, and they lost less this year than they lost in Q2 of last year. So they are improving.

Still down. Revenue was up 13% from this Q2 of last year. Last year, they also lost about $1.5 billion. So really, they're doing better. But, RJ Scourange, the CEO of Reveen, did say on their earnings call that there's a few big factors that are impacting this. One is they can't really sell EV credits anymore. Like they and Tesla and others used to sell regulatory credits because they don't sell any gas-powered cars and other companies.

Explain that. So car companies that need to meet some sort of mandate in terms of emissions capability or whatever output can buy credits from electric car companies or could in the past. But that's gone away, right? Yeah, a lot of the requirements, I think it still exists a little bit, but a lot of the requirements around that for other companies have gone away, so they no longer need to purchase those credits that Rivian, lucid Tesla, whatever. Could I ask you a question, Philippa, my Italian friend? Yep.

Is an electric car company a sustainable business model anymore? Maybe. I mean, they're losing less money than before. Also, I want to announce to all of our listeners, next week, the podcast, we will be having this podcast, the three of us. We will also have a fourth guest, which is RJ's courage, the CEO of Rivian. And I think that's exactly what we should ask, yes. We can ask him about this.

Like, it's an interesting question, right? Because, like, it was hard before. Rivian was losing money before. They've taken away some of the things that have made it easier to be an EV company. And obviously, Rivian, you'd think would have their biggest success when the products are brand new, just being rolled out, very exciting. they're starting to get old. Now, they have some new stuff coming, but presumably at lower profit margins because it's cheaper and might potentially cannibalize the sales of the bigger, more expensive, more profitable stuff.

I mean, it's a tough environment. I mean, we talked last week about how pretty much every European automaker was complaining heavily. They weren't saying it explicitly, but they were fundamentally saying our earnings will be end profits will be way lower this year because of tariffs, because of our investments in EV that have or have not paid off. Honda had to declare a large loss due to that as well in Q2. It's a tough regulatory environment to work in. It's a tough market to work in. And also, then there's other impacts.

They've said that tariffs, so by the way, Rivian makes all their cars in the U.S. They've said that tariffs are expected to cost about a couple thousand dollars per vehicle that they build. Crazy. So they're made of 2035. So just parts that are tariffs. Rivian builds this car in Illinois. There still have to deal with all these tariffs. Kenan, what's your favorite car to ever come out of the factory?

where they build the Rivian. Wasn't it? Isn't that the old Fiper? Don't tell him, Felipe. What was made there? You know what mine is? The Rivian R1S. Nice.

Well said. Well done. But my second favorite was the Plymouth Laser R.S. Turbo. Oh, good answer. Well, the factory is DSM. You know, back in the day, that meant something. DSM, you'd say that. Now it's just, now it's just a medical people use it, right?

But back in the day, when I was a kid, you said DSM and you knew you were talking about hot import nights. You knew you were talking about going to the warehouse area late at night to do drag racing. Anybody who dropped those three letters, you knew what they were about. You understand, Felipe? Yeah, I very much do. I do want to say on Rivian, I mean, we are excited to talk to RJ and to like asking some of these questions. I sense that they view this as a little bit of a win, though. I mean, revenue rose 13% year every year.

They've kept their sale projections the same for the rest of the year. The market didn't really react that favorably. Sock price fell about 5% after earnings were announced. But it's not a horrible spot to be in, as long as you're comfortable burning about $4 to $5 billion a year. It's tough to lose that kind of money, though. Where does... What do you think RJ's favorite DSM car was?

We should ask him that. The laser, yeah. Actual question, when does the R2 go on sale? It looks like R2 goes in sale in 26. If they say the first half of 26, that'll have a big impact. Yeah. On whatever. I mean, like, I'm not really sure.

I'm not sure in terms of revenue profitability. I don't know. But it'll be interesting to see that'll probably be the Rivian, right? Oh, but everyone wants an R1, but they're big money. But the R2 looks like an R1, but it's cheaper. Like, that'll be the Ravian. That's the one for Leopo is going to get. They evolved.

The R3 is the one I'm most excited about it. But I think market-wise, it's more important. The R2 is going to be the one that is criticality. The R3 is also further away. I agree. I'm more excited about the R3, but I think the R3 doesn't go on sale for another year, a year after the R2. So we're still six months away from R2. We're a year and six months away from the R3.

Yeah. I will say Raven confirmed on those earnings call that they're still targeting the same base price for the R2 around $45,000. which is notable because it's no longer eligible for a tax credit that they were playing out. So they know they need to sell units and keep the price low. Do you think, here's a boy, here's one to ponder, do you think the R4 will fly? Oh. That's another question for RJ. It's another question for RJ.

What's your favorite DSM car? Will the R4 fly? Is an electric car company a sustainable business model? This is going to be our podcast next week. It's going to be a whopper, folks. It will. It'll be quite something. I think that asking, are there features from other cars that they're considering, like, floating or flying?

Yeah, I mean, that's a good question. Chinese cars jump, RJ. Will Rivian jump? I'm just looking forward to the email that we get from RJ saying, you know, I really just thought about it again. I don't know that I want to do this podcast. That's not going to happen. RJ's legit. Let me tell you something.

Rivian is like a fun young. If we were having this conversation about Audi, they would never talk to us again, right? You were in that commercial. It just was a little bit of fun throwing some water balloons and the Germans like, no, that's not going to happen. We made a big mistake. We made a mistake with an outy commercial. I was in an outy commercial and we had fun.

And the Germans, what they do when you have fun is they put a stop to it instantly. No, no. Take it to V. And the real, they actually do, they have fun, but it's specified hours and we had had fun outside the specified hours. Big mistake. Yeah, yeah, classic. Yeah. It was unpermitted fun.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, what other car? What other news do we have here? All right. This gentleman is named Adrian Mardell. This is crazy. Tell us the story. I'm going to give you my take, which is, I don't know.

Jaguar will never have us on. All right. Adrian Mardell was and actually still is until November, the CEO of Jaguar Land Rover. Jaguar, of course, makes zero Jaguar. Zero cars. And some amount of Landowners. They do so make Land Rover's. He announced last week that he was,

was retiring after three years as the CEO of Jaguar Land Rover and after 35 years with the company. The gentleman will be taking his place, P.B. Balaji, who is currently the CFO of Tata Motors, which owns Jaguar Land. Yes. I can't believe you didn't have a, you didn't pull up a picture of P.B. Belaji. Okay, I'm going to describe P.B. Belaji for you. Oh, God. You see the guy here?

Yeah. Uh-huh. A lot like that. Now, it's interesting because he's Indian, but it's the same old. The reason I bring this up as surprising is because Jaguar is doing this rebrand where they're trying to appeal to like, you remember the video, Felipe? Of course. Oh, yeah.

It's like people, it was like a woman dressed in a yellow box and then a man who looked like a tiger. And then like, and then there was like a ball went across the screen. And who do they hire as the CEO to carry out the vision of this? Six, two-year-old businessman. Yeah, I mean, look, I get your point. But at the same time, credit to Mr. Mardell, Jaguar aside, if we forget about Jaguar, which again sells zero cars currently.

Yes. He and the three years of CEO took Jaguar Landover as a whole from heavily bleeding money to being an actually profitable company and making the best profits ever, all driven by Ranger. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Are they profitable because, they're currently not spending money since they're not in production, but they are still selling off excess.

Land Rover is part of Jaguar Land Rover, and Land Rover, to their credit, does actually make money. What do you mean in three years? The defender came out six years ago. What do you got? I mean, maybe they stopped investing in new products. I don't know, but they had some strong financial growth over that. In his view, like Steve Jobs said about Apple back in the day, is that Jaguar was a ship with a hole in the bottom, and it was sinking dramatically. And his job was to get the ship pointed in the right direction, still sinking. Look, I think he decided that it's better if that ship's a safe. Well, maybe, I mean, Land Rover must be a fun brand to run. Like, ultimately, he's probably, like, that's a real brand that has real interest in from people and sells real cars, no?

Yeah. A lot of the articles have already basically said, like, he turned around the business around it, for JLR generally. It had three consecutive, excuse me, 10 consecutive possible quarters under the, you know, after being quite unprofitable, but probably will all remember him for this Jaguar rebrand situation. With the pink rock. And also for the new Rangeover logo. Oh, yes.

Don't forget about that. What a legacy. You remember the, like, the woman in a yellow box. I do. And I remember the guy with no hair that was wearing like a trash bag. I remember that guy. The guy with no hair wearing a trash bag. And then later in the video, there was a squirrel wearing a smock.

Well, that might have actually saved them, but it didn't. You know, I thought the podcast would be less unhinged without Nick. I was wrong. I'm not wrong about any of this stuff. Move on the next news story. No, that's the thing that's crazy. All right. Mercedes Benz.

A chart. We're doing a PowerPoint here. We already. The third quarter of the numbers are going to be. We have, courtesy of Motor One, some leaked Mercedes-Benz product planning plans. So this is basically their product roadmap for 2026. 2027 for new models that are coming out. This is a really notable product offensive is how every newspaper is describing it.

Now, some of them are going to be as good as their last product offensive where they gave us the EQC SUV, which sold one unit. You have to hope it's better, but that is the CLA shooting break. And that's the electric. This is a global. Yeah. Am I getting, hey, am I getting an E-class station wagon electric? Or what? I can't see this, but I'm, I'm looking.

Maybe. It turns out they're all shrouded in mystery still. Some of them we do know. What does it look like? Like, tell me if there's a... The car shapes are all identical. Okay, fun, but like, just extrapolate. Extrapolate.

We do know. I'll take battery electric or plug in, but you've got to assume... Like, if it in the mid-size... Let me explain Mercedes. They got the mid-size. That's E-class. If there's like several products there and they're electric, one of them is probably an E-class station wagon.

You know what I'm saying? It's a good bet. It is broken up with the top end where they're clearly investing a lot of resources. Core where, eh, an entry level, or eh. CLA is one of them. We believe that there's a new GLC facelift. A bunch of these, if we're being honest, are going to be facelifts of existing models. But we do know that they've paused sales in the U.S. of their EQ lineup.

And even though they haven't paused sales of the G580 with the U technology. Well, let's be clear. They've paused imports. Sales will continue because. There are decades of them stacked up. They got two and a half years' days' supply of inventory. Point taken. You know what they should do?

This is a thought for me. You know what they should do? Kenan, chime in if you agree. If you don't agree, don't chime in. They should make an off-road GLS. It bounces already. It exists. I'm good.

I'm not going to chime in on that one. It exists. It doesn't technically exist. I want a GLS with meaty tires and some flared fenders and some attitude. and a bull bar, which probably is no longer legal because of regulations, but I want to like,

kind of GLS, you know what I'm saying? You sound like a prince making demands, and I want a bullbar on my... Make it happen. Let's go. Put on giant lights on the roof. Make it so, hello. This is all to say that they're clearly investing very heavily

and recognizing that their product lineup is either not very successful at the moment or outdated, which is some of their products really are at this point. And they're coming out with a lot. The top end is quite heavy. What do you think is outdated? A lot of their products are still doing okay, but the E class is new. The C class is a couple years old and due for a facelift.

The CLC is brand new. The GLC is new-ish. The GLE has been around for a hot minute, as has the GLS at this point. The GLS, that generation came on in 2018. Yeah, but it feels new. Yeah, but it came out of 2018. Like when I see what I still think, damn. What about the GLB?

Do you think, damn? The GLB? The GLB, is that still around? I haven't seen one since I got here. I've seen one three months. It's been nice. I believe it is, and I will say, I do think it still has a third row. So that's something.

The point is Mercedes is making a lot of products. Some of them are going to be electric. Mm-hmm. About a little bit under half? Yeah. Do you think, I mean, the previous electric incarnation of Mercedes-Benz was not a heavy hitter. No. So you have to hope for them that this one will be?

Did any? of the electric Mercedes do well. They could, they could, they made, they electrified a G-wagon, the most desired hot selling weightless vehicle in the entire car market. And even that didn't sell. Yeah. They also chose to not really electrify in a way anybody wanted any of their core products. I totally disagree with.

I would have, first off, I would have an EQS, but second, I want an EQG or whatever it's called now. Like I would take one now. You could get one. I'd pay 883. I think you're like, if, you're like, if, you. If you meet halfway, the dealer's in. I will only meet at the 88-3 figure.

Might take a few years. I bet it'll take about 18 months, based on what I've already seen used one selling for. Not wrong. Not wrong. No one really teaches you about credit. It's a huge part of adult life, but it's such a blind spot when you're starting out.

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I have all the good news stories I'm so thrilled All right Porsche currently sells a McCann and a Macon EV Right The McCann EV knew The Macon, not EV

Not new That came out in 204 2015 They can explain it to me If you were a child I thought like I had to The Macon came out in 2015 It's a 10 year old product at this point

It's also their like Best selling product period The thought was that the EV Macon Would replace it fully but they've kept it around. A Porsche Macon classic, if you will. Yes. Okay.

There will, apparently, based on use this week, be a successor to the gas-powered Macon coming out in 2028. This is basically Porsche saying, yeah, we didn't plan on making another one, but now we know that we really, really, really, really, really need to. I do want to stick up for Porsche here. They had never said this would replace the gas one. They were going to sell them in tandem. I think they were hoping it would replace the gas one.

Now, and obviously that's not going to happen now, thank God. The big question, though, at least for the purposes of this podcast, is what about the mid-engine cars? The Cayman and the Boxster are gas now. They've out of production. They're going to be replaced. It's a ton of talk about they're going to be replaced by electric. The demand for electric has fallen off. The tariff situation has happened.

The electric vehicle incentives have decreased. Are they really still going to commit to creating electric version? of the Boxster and Cayman instead of gas versions? I wouldn't count on it. I mean, Portions have a really tough spot. They've had an incredibly, incredibly tough 2025. Chinese sales are way down. U.S. sales are down, and they've had to raise prices really notably on the 9-11.

I view this as a, oh, we need to make sure we have products that we can actually sell and make some profit on in the U.S. I do know that there's a EV Kyan coming out because they've been showing that everywhere. It's a tough market to invest really heavily in a whole new product line where there isn't that much interest in EV anything right now. Yeah.

They might be so late in it that they will still choose, hey, may as well build it and defray our R&D costs, but I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Tough market. It is a tough market. I don't know.

And the market has kind of spoken clearly what they want from Porsche and manufacturers in general, so they're just in a really hard position. I will say, I don't know that I agree with the, thank God, they're making a new McCannie, Macon gas powered car. I mean, good for Porsche sales, but like, the GTI exists. Wait, what do you mean?

It's their most popular car. Of course they're going to make that. Yeah. What's the problem with that? No, you sounded excited by it, and I view it as okay. You don't like the Macon? That's fine. Dude, used ones are 16 and they're fast and they're fun. Yeah, but as I said, the GTI exists and it's the same engine. The GTI exists. It's the same engine

in the base Macon. Dude, me and Kenan, me and, me and Kenan, pull up the site, pull up the site. Pull up the site. Playpen Macon Turbo up there. No, no, I'm familiar with what Macon Turbo sell for. Look at that. What are they doing for that? The answer is $13,700. Go back to that. What kind of power these have four, four 20, 450, something like that? That's right, 400 and 200. 400? 400. I mean, man, what a deal. What, Kenneth, let's, let's go splitzies. Well, I don't think horse buy one. Exactly, precisely.

That is remarkable. It's got 50 more horses than an SQ5. It's got a dual clutch and it's quicker around corners. That is a cool car. And you're going to be over here to tell, I don't really care if they make one or not. No, Felipe, but you want them to make one. Plus, Cars and Bids.com, which, by the way, is the creator of this podcast, I think.

It might be me, but it might be them. We made a lot of money on macons, dude. You need a new macon. You got to feed the beast. So true. So true. The sound effect really says to that. That is such a good point.

Give us our next news story there. Yes. So, Corvette has, so Chevri has released some very interesting stuff about the C8. Really, it's lap times and the new price of the ZR1X. The big talking point is that the ZR1 set a time of 650, 763 around the Nureberg ring. So fast. Yes. And the zero one.

X did a 649-275, which is, I mean, blisteringly fast. Anything in and around the seven-minute mark is crazy. I was just there and experienced to myself, not a seven-minute or myself, seven-minute. Not a seven-minute. Quite far off in any 46 touring, which I'll talk about later, but this was... Wait, so the current production car record is the Black Series at 648. What did that do, 649? 649.

It's pretty amazing. So it beats the Mustang GTD, which held the American. American record at 652.072. The big thing is that they also released the MSRP of the ZR1X, which is $207,000, which is a lot of money, but it's a heck of a lot less than the GTD. Or 217 if you want a convertible. Or 217 if you want a convertible, which, of course, you do. No, why would you?

What are you going to try to do? Put down 6-649 number row. It's a lot of money, but these cars are so legit. That's one of the fastest cars ever around this race. 07 is not that much money for one of the fastest record holding. Now, I will tell you, it's not. I will tell you, I erred a second ago when I said the Black Series has the record. The actual record is the AMG 1, which did a 629.

However, that doesn't count because it costs $5 million. But I will say, though, it says over here that the record was certified by a notary, which is so German. It's like we're going to, we don't, we're not going to believe you unless you have like a woman there with a stamp. So that's the German way to take something incredibly exciting. Fetty make it very boring. Okay, so... Well, there are a couple more things. One is it was driven by Drew Cantell,

who is their development engineer. It wasn't... I mean, obviously, this kind of time. You do need to be a good driver, but it wasn't a professional, known racing driver who did this, which makes him the fastest non-pro driver ever to go. Really?

That's great. It's pretty crazy. But I think the song... I mean, the C-8, we know, is a wonderful platform. This just underscores, like, American manufacturers are making some cool stuff

right now and that is an incredible time and the engineers at GM should be very proud of that. Is 7-11 a base C8? No, that's the Z-06. No, that's the Z-06. Which is also a 7-11 is a pretty impressive time. Do you say the career GT, the most recent one it did with the new tires and

suspension and a pro driver did right around that time as well as insane? Well wait, just with new tires. They won't do it with suspension. I wish they would, but they won't. It did 712. So the greatest car ever made does 712 and they do 7-11. Something to think about. Something for you to think about. I will also say it's been very fun to watch how Ford has reacted to this, because obviously

the Mustang GCD is slower and 100 something thousand more expensive. Right. And made in Canada, so take that as you will. I think that's a good question about the Yeah, of course. How did this happen? The Mustang GCD or

them being slower than a Corvad zero one X? First off, I want to talk about the name, which we've discussed before but not on the pot. The GtD is a diesel. Okay, they make a golf. No, it is a diesel golf. Yeah.

They make a golf GTI, and then there's like a sporty diesel one, and it's called the GTD. So to me, that's what a GTD is. Like, me and a bunch of Europeans think that's what the GT is, right? Okay. But then also, how did this happen? Like, why did they create this? I think I was busy when it was announced, and I've been kind of, I haven't paid enough attention to it.

And then I found all these people on Instagram are, like, getting one or not getting one, and it's like this big deal. But, like, it's like a half million dollar Mustang that, like, is a crazy track. car. Where was the precedent? How did this happen? Please go ahead. Well, we got to see the car at IMSA. We did. Ford has invested a lot of money

to going racing, and the GTD, it was effectively a road-going version of the race car. Okay, so they race this car as a race car. Yeah, and it's made by Multimatic, or partially built and developed by Multimatic, which also makes a lot of race car chances. I got to

see the car when it was announced at Quail. Wow. And it was what else does Multimatic make? Oh, you know, a few other cars back in time. Well, they're known for this. You know what? Yeah, the 4G2. The new 4G2.

The new Ford G2. My Ford G2 is built in Detroit. American Steel Canon, just like the R1S and the Plymouth Laser, okay? But the new Ford GT is built in Canada. And the VIN of every new Ford GT starts with words that I can't say on this podcast. Interesting. I will also, okay, I want to go back to. You're going to look that up later, aren't you?

I want to go back to how Ford. reacts to this, which has been basically to say, Jay John Farley commented on Chevrolet's Instagram post about this. And basically, like, congratulations. And then the implication from other comments is that they're going to bring the GTD back out and think that it can do no, it'll be better.

Instead of bringing the GTD back out to like try a Ginzies, like, like, like, you know, you lose and say, right, let's do the World Series over again and see if we can just win this time. Why don't you just come out with a different car? Oh, like, like the Raptor are

but lower it and like add more power if you can go faster. I'm thinking like mid-engine like they got the mid-engine thing. What is the new 4GT do lap Nuremberg ring in? You know what I mean? The regular Ford GT?

Nope, that's a good question. All right. Regardless, it's fun to see a Ford GM battle for Nureber ring time. They're both so invested in performance right now. There's not one on Wiki. My 4GT does it in 752 which is the same time as an E as an M4.

Man. It's actually slower than a Stelvio quadropholia. Although that's a pretty serious car, to be honest. Such is the rate of progress. But no, to your point, like when I was a kid, I never in a million years thought that Ford with the Mustang, basically. And the Contour SVT. And Chevy with the Corvette would be duking it on the Nurebergring in deep sub seven. Yeah.

It's wild. It's totally wild. And if you look at this list of the very best Nureberg ring lap times, those cars are in the top, like very highest echelon top of the top. Like, there's only maybe five cars in that area, a couple Porsches, a couple Lambos, the Mercedes-AmGs, and then these guys. And not in that order. Like, these guys are the very, it's crazy. This makes me very, again, very proud of, like, GM doing this.

Yeah. What a tremendous value. And, like, that's a very serious achievement that people can actually go and buy. So that's pretty cool. It comes out with a streetcar version of its Mustang GT3 car, 500,000. Chevy comes out with successive rockin corvettes that are setting Norberghring lap times and Chrysler

don't forget this, Chrysler comes out with an electric version of the Dodge Charger that plays engine noises from its bumper. Yes. As I'm saying every American manufacturer is doing it right, but it seems that GM and Ford car. As a potential future Corvette owner, I'm excited by this.

You've been a potential future Corvette owner for 20 years, dude. All right, let's move on to the next I hope you enjoy your meetings at the future potential Corvette Owner Club. That's an exciting one. That's the end of the news. Today's show is brought to you by Delete Me. Have you ever wondered how much of your personal info is out there online? Your name, address, phone number, even details about your family are being collected and sold by data brokers.

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You go to Cars and Bids.com. You buy cars or sell cars or you just bid on cars or you look at it. I don't know. Anyway, all right, the most important thing that has happened this week in the talk cars segment is you guys went to a trackside cars and coffee in an IMSA race somewhere in Wisconsin. No, no, not only did we go, we ran, we put on, as Cars and Bits, the first ever trackside cars and coffee. It was a road America in beautiful Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin, and I say beautiful because I miss Wisconsin. It's gorgeous, and I miss Wisconsin greatly. It's a beautiful track.

It's known as the American Spomp. You can easily see why when you're there. Lots of elevation change. beautiful woods that it runs through. But it was wonderful. There's Felipeo right there in that picture. And you know what? That's Felipe.

Philippo. I'm there somewhere. That's Felipe going back to Wisconsin in the summer. You remember that kid rock song all summer long? Of course. That was written about Felipe's boyhood. What kind of car showed up to this thing? Everything.

Is that a vegan song? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes, it is. There's a cornflower golf are there or GTI? sure is. That's a Targa, some variety. What else you got? A 992 Targa 4S, a UNSX all carbon and an old NSX all carbon, G2RS, an S-2,000 that was a 101M5 build. Oh, yeah, that E61M5 was there.

So cool. Oh, yes, and I got to talk to the owner of that car. So cool. He really went to excruciating detail to get every detail on that thing. Correct. He told me there's a styrofoam tray that sits in the back for the immobility kit in case you get a flat tire. Impossible to find.

And no longerville from BMW, took him three months to track one down, but he said it was, quote, keeping me up at night that I didn't have that for the car. He's like you. That's the level he went to.

He is like me. But he's into better versions. Well, sorry, let's not 10% off there. There was a dolomite brown E663 AMG wagon that we sold on the site.

There was a gen one that brought his red Cadillac ATSV. There's also an A12GTS. There was Nate12s, but who cares. The guy that brought the ATSV blackwing had previously bought a BNNN. W340I from Cars and Beds, then sold it Cars and Bids. It's just generally so, so, so, so.

Like, there were so many cool people who were so into cars and bids, into each other's cars, and just talking about it. Hey, Felipe, if you could have bought any car there at the Cars and the Sod Man 3 Viggin. Okay. If we both thought about it. I told the dude to let me know. Ken, what about you there? It was hard.

I really thought about that. There was a gorgeous 997.1 turbo. and blue, manual, coupe. Well, that's the answer. Yeah, I mean, it is the answer. That was great. The 812 was spectacular too. Actually, and there was a really clean C4ZR1, which I was enamored with.

There were two. There was one that was really clean. Late or both. One was a 92 and was a 94. Yeah. Then the white one with the white interior, I believe, was 94. Are we doing another trackside cars and coffee? It just so happens that yes, we are.

Crazy. We're going to be doing one in October. What's the date, Philly? I honestly don't remember. October 13. October 12, October 13 at the IMSA race in Road Atlanta, which is actually an hour outside of Atlanta in a town called Brazelton. It's where they make the Panaz Esperante, which is Kenan's third favorite car. Is that true?

Fun fact, Kenan's third favorite car. Now, it's very exciting. How many cars are we going to be able to take it that one? We're still working out because the reaction to this trackside cars and coffee was honestly so much stronger than we expected. So we currently have a space for 50. we're going to try to increase that. What will be a little bit different is at Road America, we were trackside, like literally next to the track, which was very cool and also very loud every minute and a half.

This is definitely. Road America, long circuit, minute and a half, got you time to chat. At Rhode Atlanta, we will be in the paddock, which would be incredibly cool, but it means that we still have to do some logistics. A lot more information coming out about this soon. Can I ask you a question?

Of course. What do you do with it? Like, do you give a speech? I'll tell you what he did. He went and talked to a lot of people who wanted to talk to Felipe. And then he also wanted to talk to me, but he also went and talked through. And as you can see here, guys come off and talk to him. I talk to every single person.

I want to know Felipe deep down. Do you, what are you, do you like, did you, when you started, did you like stand up there with a microphone and say, hey, everybody, it's me, Felipe? Honestly, people started arriving and then they just kept arriving. And so it was a quick conversation with your person. And then I luckily got the chance to talk to a lot of the people more in depth. And also a lot of people came that were watching the race unrelated to cars and bids or that weren't bringing a car, but came to check to check out the cars and bids paddock and talk to us. It was incredibly special. If you could convince anybody to sell an automobile on cars and bids.com, the website that is sponsoring this podcast.

Yes. Okay. Also, I want to say way more information coming about the Atlanta event, including how you can sign up to bring your car. what else will be going on there. Also, people came from all over the place. A dude drove his R33 skyline from Texas to see us. Somebody brought their McLaren 675LT from Maryland to see us. They trailered it.

They trailered it. They trailered it. Somebody brought a Ferrari FFF from Chicago trailered. A little different. But people came from truly all over the place to hang out. How far did the Toyota Sarah fellow come from? I see a Toyota Sarah right there. It's either that are a Minnesota play.

And I have a suspicion of Toyota. That is, Sarah, it's a Minnesota plate, so probably a few hours away. I have to say, on behalf of the Filipino and I, it was very humbling everybody who came up and said hello and wanted to talk. Everybody was so kind, and I think we speak for us both and the entire Carson's-Bids team that was there. We were so grateful of the response that we had, and it was a wonderful time. Truly wonderful back. It had a great. How long were you on the ground in Wisconsin?

48 hours, I think, enough to have cheese curds, which were a lovely. Did you, what's that, what's the airport like there in Milwaukee? We flew it out of Chicago. You drove from Chicago. You didn't enjoy the excitement of Milwaukee Airport. Filippo made me. He said it was cheap. First of all, General Mitchell Airport, good airport, good airport.

That is indeed with any of the Chicago airport's called. Don't doubt me. Also, I drove a Sierra 1500, about 800 miles. I drove a Subaru legacy. Yeah. What? How did you rent these cars? At the airport.

You didn't rent them from, you didn't let something cool from Turro? Are you out of your mom? mind. There was nothing that would have stopped me. If I was flying into Chicago, there was nothing that would have stopped me from running a g-waddy G-wagon on Turo. I would have found the raddiest one intentionally

and bawled it up when I was driving up, like just like windows down, music up, like yo-yo, people. You got to understand the level of jet lag I was operating with here to be there for this. No, I know. He just wanted a reliable Japanese automobile. Like someone else. A two-hour time

difference is tough. It's tough. All right, what's our What is our next question? I had landed. Well, that ties back to me, I believe. Yeah. So I have been in Europe for a long time. And you're back now. I was there for a friend's wedding.

It was the main event. And I tacked on a bunch of car-related and fun stuff to do. I visited nine countries while I was there. Ten did a lot of beautiful stuff. Yes, Doug. What is Europe like? You know very well, having been there. And we have a number of European listeners, I suspect.

We do? But it was, it was lovely. I did go. So the car-related stuff, I went to Monaco. So, this picture kind of sums it up. That's a shiron. That's an SP2. That's a Dodici Chennery.

599 GTO. Are you going to just get past the Model 3? Yes. 599 GTO. That is an 812 competitionsione, a Mercedes SLS, AMG Black Series. Behind that, Neft12 TDF and behind that, another shiron. And a colon. Yes.

I saw, Monaco was one of the most egregious displays of wealth I have ever seen. And if you're into ultra-high-end performance cars, you must go. Like, it was incredible. Just walking around, I saw some stuff. And then I saw some weird normal stuff. Like this C3 Corvette that was just parked right out in front of the casino. Crazy. Got a huge reaction.

People were taking pictures of this car like crazy. And I took this picture specifically for you, Felipe. Right next to an Audi-Q-8. Then I went down in the garages as well, because we parked down by the casino, and I saw Z8 that had been abandoned and was there for a really long time. Sharon just next to, you know, Alexis. A world record edition, Veyron. That's just a voice there.

SVJ next to a fiat. That just reminded me, again, of you, Felipe. Thank you. A lot of Ferrari. This is the one that got clipped its nose, famously. Aster Martin, Valkyrie. Which we also saw at MSA. Valkyrie next to an 05 fanny.

Yeah, pretty. I mean, the stuff that's down there is remarkable. And then I took this picture for Felipe. Thank you. I love this. Steeleys a Jersey. I didn't even know that was the thing. The smart car could be on bases, base steelys.

Did you know that? No, I didn't know that either, but that's been out for a while now. Maybe he's on winters. Yeah, maybe. It is of after all, only July. It looked like an Austrian plate, but I don't know. We're now back to the 599. No, it's a German plate.

I can't see it. Yeah, it's German. Oh, wow. But from point, that's where it, that's where they have the snow. So there you go. It's July. He hasn't taken his winter. winter's off yet. He's not a true German. Can't be bothered. But yeah, that's a Monaco,

incredible experience. Like, just to walk around and see the cars, if you're into cars, it's the place where all these things are. I got passed by a Lofari just driving around. It just is a normal thing. And also, as someone who's into Formula One to walk around the actual circuit itself and go to the hairpin and walk through the tunnel, I mean, pretty amazing. It gives you perspective on, like, how fast those cars drive through the remark. I agree with that. I drove it myself in a Ford Fiesta. Did you see a 92 Diole? No. You know, not a lot of old Lamborghinis. Did see a 350 GT though. So there is that.

But no, not like Diablo Kuntosh. I was talking to my friend Ryan, who I was with, was like, I can't imagine driving one of those old cars like around there. It would be so difficult. Also, the thing about Monaco is, the thing about Monaco is that it is cool to see all the cars. However, they are not going more than 11 miles an hour, ever, really. I mean, yes, but still, I mean, yeah, it's the same thing with cars and coffee. The difference is this, and car week, to be honest. The thing with this is, it's like, it's like car week on a Tuesday, random Tuesday afternoon.

You just never know what you're going to see. And so, like, I think that's really appealing. And if you've never done it, it is worth doing it for the sheer novelty. I agree. You go around a corner, you might see a 92 Diablo. You go on another corner, you might see a 92 Diablo. Now, you know, you saw, no 92 Diablos, but you saw a, you saw, of some sort of fake California.

I did see a 250 California rep that was parked the next to a 300 S.L. Which is another thing. The stuff you see is off. If there's anywhere, I don't think it's a rep, though. No, it was... I know. The aura was something was wrong. The wheels were wrong.

It had those rep wheels that the Ferris Bueller reps had. But it wasn't a modern. It was something different. Monaco's great. But you did other fun things. What else did you do? So I initially, we flew and we flew. to Germany. I had a BMW X3

M50I. I'm sorry. Don't say that. What do you mean you're sorry? I tried so hard to get Kenan to rent a Fiat Panda similar. No, which you were wrong. You know why? Because I was on the Audubon for a long time. You can still max out the speed of an automobile? No. I will get to the Audubon in a second.

But no, I was very happy that I had my X3M50I. I was with two other people. It was nice to be able to throw the stuff in there. Admittedly there were times when I wish I had something smaller, mainly driving up driving up the Kubler Pass, which you have done, from Italy into Switzerland. Very tight. Splugan.

Splugan, thank you. It's very tight. And I did scrape a little bit of the X-3 on one of the posts there, but you kind of have no choice if you want to avoid cars coming in the direction. Or maybe splurgeon. I don't know, but beautiful. But no, the thing I do want to talk about the Audubon. I ran into some issues with the Autobahn. So famously, the Audubon is derestricted in certain.

portions. Not the whole thing, but there are sections of it where you see four slashes on a white circle, it can go as fast as you like. This is reasonable given the condition. You do it at your own risk. And so I did get to max the car several times. However, in cities or closer to cities, I don't know what it is, but people with German plates on who should know better stay in the left lane and they just sit there. They camp there in derestricted zones next to other slays. lower traffic, which my understanding that the German people understood that you overtake and then you get over.

The Italians understood this on the other stuff. But I was... It seems harder to do that just generally. I mean, you know... No, it wasn't. Not in the situations I ran into. It was very easy. In fact, but it was so not even. It was just like people were just camped there.

And I was very frustrated by this. Only the Italians do it right. Yes. So if you have, if your engine displacement begins with a one-two or is powered by a diesel, get over. But I did... Wait a sec. Wait a sec. Wait a sec. What if it's a Audi Q7 V12 TDI? The Italians do do it right, but part of that is because you have to pay to ride on the Autostrata,

and so they're really, it's never crowded because Italians don't want to pay for it. That is not my Autostrata experience, but people are respectful. And also, I think there's an element that people in Italy recognize that their cars can fit in tight places. And so we'll move to the right lane, even where you don't think there's room for them to move to the right lane. So they get over quickly. I found out of the, no, if there's room in the right, they did get out of the way. I was able to go very fast.

That's what I'm saying. Like, they feel comfortable moving over. Kenan, how fast do you get up? I maxed it many times, which is 155 miles now. Wow, it's wrong. Which I couldn't do a little. How are you feeling? Filippo's never been over 90.

I am feeling quite fine with that. There's something special about getting to 90 miles an hour after 27 seconds of flooring it through every single gear in a Fia Panda. Well, I value my time in Europe, and I wanted to get the cooking. I do, too. That's why I want to shift gears as many times as possible. I still think the auto bond is the most fun driving I've ever done. It's just...

It's really cool. At one point... At one point, I was... They were all SUVs and I can't remember exactly what they were, but it was Mercedes, myself in the BMW, an Audi, and a Porsche. Yeah. That's like seeing a Cadillac, a Lincoln, a Paniac and a... Yeah, we were, but we were all...

Yeah, except we were all doing 200 kilometers an hour in the left lane, just cruising, which was awesome. And it was a lot of fun. But I used the Autobahn to get around. on Germany on a couple of occasions when I got there and then a little bit later in the trip. And later in the trip, I did what was the wedding was the big thing. But the second thing I went to do was to go to spa. One of the smartest apps you can have on your phone in 2025 is Upside.

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This is a wire. Here comes a wire. This is a Monaco. A GLC in the background. Wiring around. God, that sounds just disastrous. What was that? A lot of Ferrari over there?

Sure. Yep, it was a La Farrari over there. What's in front of you? A, A, she? What is that? She, that's a TDF. That's, I mean, that's a A-Class, A-35, maybe.

AMG, yeah. It was just obscene. But going to spa was the highlight for sure. I got to be there. I sat right at the base of Uruj and Radial. and watch the car just rip past, which was the absolute coolest thing I think I've ever done in terms of Formula One.

This is my favorite. Span was my favorite track. And to be there in person with all of the history was incredible. I got through a lot of things. Oh, show that clip again. You want to be a show it up again? You know what's weird about this,

Philippo? Pay attention closely. You know, all the cars are driving in the same place. Well, they're taking the racing line through a place where you can't overtake. Look at that. Why doesn't somebody pop up? out a little, you know, these cars handle real well.

Just take it a little outside and see what's going on. Somebody did cut it a little bit in by like a foot. I think he picked up time. Yeah, that's 200 miles an hour of a damp I love the bike path next to the road. That's so nice. But it looks like a bike path. Okay.

Hey, Kenan, what happened there at the race? Did anybody know you? Yes, so I had put out on Instagram that I was going to be at the race and a number of about 100 people reached out to me and said, hey, I'm here too. We'd love to meet you. And a number of people came up and said hello who are also some Americans, a bunch of people from all over.

Some people are sitting close. Or ask the obvious question, why do we not do a trackside, Filippo's mad at me, why do we not do a trackside cars and coffee at the Formula One race at Spa? That's a great question. It's a little more difficult,

and we don't sell cars in Europe. Okay, problem. Let me posit a different option. I bet spa is expensive because the F1 is big in Europe and the Europeans all go there. They go to Belgium. They're willing to put up with Belgium just to watch this race. But what if we would attract cars and coffee at the race in Kazakhstan? Because I bet you that the sponsorship isn't as expensive in Kazakhstan.

And I bet the cars and coffee would be amazing. You'd have like Priuses and Prius Vs and Montero Sports. I think there's something to think about Filippo. I know you do this kind of stuff. Thank you for these ideas. They're wonderful. They're great. He'll put that one in the circular folder there and just get right out of you. There's a race in Kazakhstan, dude.

It's in Kazakhstan. For right now, we're loving being partners with IMSA for their races. It's a good U.S. version. But I loved it. I also got to change, I got to do the Formula One Pitsop challenge where I got to change a tire with this German couple who could maybe do with a little

of a better coordination. But it was, and especially, you know, aim. Oh. The German guy couldn't quite get it, right?

But nonetheless, that was fun to like... Six seconds, though. Yeah, but, yeah, but yeah, that's incredibly slim. Yeah.

But that was a lot of fun too. And then there are a lot of people in the comments who've objected to, or ad that I did with the brunt boots. Oh, sure. However,

I wore my pair with pride to spa. Here is evidence of me walking... Why did you object? What do they think? that you don't wear... Boom, there's the... That is the single worst video I've ever seen.

It's so disconcerting. That is actually... I think that is actually the worst video I've ever seen. But why did people object... Doing the emotions like that, then I'm sitting still. And why did people object to this? Because I'm not the kind of person who normally wears boots, which is true, but I did wear them here.

I also wore them in the Blasjac, because I went to wear the 101st airborne station outside of Best Stone. They were wonderful, and they cut my feet very dry and warm, and they were really comfortable. I was, like, genuinely happy to wear them. take them with me on my future travels. And unfortunately, we did not get paid by Brunton for the Zad, but hey. No, but I'm, I got a couple of questions about Belgium for you. Oh, God. They got the German flag, but it's switched. But did you notice all the personalized license plates?

I didn't notice a whole lot of Belgian. Belgium has allowed people to personalize license plates like America. This brand of freedom has finally made its way to Europe. And so in Belgium, you can get the license plate, like Kennan. Right. Now, unlike, you. I was focused on experiencing the culture as opposed to just looking at license plates. The culture has become obsessed. If you go to Belgium right now and go to a dinner

party in Ghent, go to a dinner party in Bruges, all right, you spend some time at a park in Brussels. You know what they're talking about? They're talking about their red license plates and the fact that you can get them to say, Kennan. Oh. Well, that's wonderful.

I had a great time at Spawn. That was my reason for going to Belgium. An incredible trip. It was an amazing trip. I have to say of the whole thing, I think, I mean, Spa was, without question, one of the, I mean, my friend getting married, of course, is the correct door, whatever. But second to that, Spall was amazing.

Well, it was an, I love both of my friends. I'm married, so I'm very happy. You went to Monaco and saw La Ferraris and She Rones, and then you went to Spawnsaw Formula One, like, and you drove on. And that also went, I also went to Lake Como, to Villa Desta. And to the Nurebring ring? And I went, and who cares about a wedding. Like, I like, weddings.

I want to be happy for people, but, like, you did better. things in the wedding. You killed it out there. You... I did have a great time. Two thanks I wanted to give. One is my friend, Sretton from M539 Restoration, who unfortunately I couldn't borrow his M5,

although I'm glad that I didn't because of the sheer mileage I covered and, like, just being afraid of damaging it, I'm really happy. He felt very bad that I didn't have it. Well, you didn't borrow his car. Because if you'd let me speak, we then went to the...

You took me to the Nureberg ring in his E46 touring, and we went around the first day I was there, which was fantastic. He was, he's an amazing driver. This is insane. You rode around the Nürberg ring? Yes, I rode and, yes, we got, we got there, went out for a lap, a dry lap, and it started raining immediately when we finished.

Auto Alex was there, a bunch of British YouTubers were there as well. I'm actually in the back of one of the videos. We set, threatens a car up with cameras, and then I just made a cammy on the back of the car, which is very funny. What was it like? Did you run a 712, like that Corvette? We did not. The E-46, as mighty as it is, really is not. to do a 712.

It's not as good as a Corvette. But it was amazing. I walked away with two things from it. One is that if you want to drive it, you need to spend time in a simulator, really learning all the corners before you go so that you know what to expect. You won't be adept to like the changes in the terrain and the sheer elevation change, but it'll help a lot because there are a lot of corners. But the other thing I learned is that like, I can see why people get addicted to it.

It's so much fun. And you're just, you're constantly trying to make it better. And you're always like, you're not supposed to time. yourself but some people do and you just can get obsessed with it and yeah it's not a but yeah it was amazing it was incredible and like and he's a very good driver that car is very nicely sorted

so it drove beautifully and that was my first exposure I didn't want to drive for two reasons he offered let me drive a Z60m5 you didn't drive it you shoulda do the ner the nerve you don't understand the level of jump on filippo even more the level of jet like I was experiencing it was unwise because then we also drive the hour and a half to frankfax

You don't want to drive in a high pressure, high-risk. No, I've never driven it. And also he was going to use that car to bring his recently newborn son home from the hospital, which he did. And I didn't want to risk damaging it. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Let's go back fully, but I think we need to. Because we got to move on to the SLR, but I want to talk really quick about this. So he had a son that has not yet come home from the hospital.

No, no. No, he brought his son home from the hospital in the E-60M-5. This would have happened prior to that. I didn't want to risk damaging it, thus taking that ability away from. from him. Time works in this way where there's like a time. There's time. And Kenan had this experience some time ago.

Yes. But now it's telling us about it now. And other events have happened between some time ago and now. Yeah. One of those events was, one of those events was Kenan went to spa and took a picture of this fella. This is. Who is a pari jumper? Okay.

There's two other topics. No, no, no, no. Two other topics. No, we have to move on. Two other topics. First of all, a bunch of us will be at Car Week next week. Two things I want to say related to that. One is the podcast will actually come out on Sunday instead of Friday,

which is sad for all of those that are listening on Sunday. This is a one-time thing. One-time thing. One-time thing. But I want everybody to know so they can mentally prepare. They can steal themselves for Friday. If you see us around, because we'll be going on some events. I'll be going to some events.

Ken and might. Who knows? I don't know. Come say hi because we would like to see you. I had no idea if Felipe was going. I'm thrilled he is. I had no idea he was going until this moment. But now if I see him around, I will say hi.

I would hope that you do. Because we're friends. It'd be a kind of rude not to. Okay. Our next topic is the market report. And I only want to talk about one thing because we've got to move on to questions. And the questions were great. But I only want to talk about one thing in the market report is the SLR.

I want to tell you guys something. I'm going to give you a little backstory here. I come here. I live in the East Coast in the summer. I come here and I don't spend a lot of time doing car things. Nobody here knows anything about cars. I got a neighbor with a Ford Ranger. But for some reason, so as a result of that, sometimes I text my friends here,

Felipe O'Kennan and various other people, Nick, Sam, there's a lot of people. Some of them come on our pod and various things about cars. And one of the things that I've been texting about pretty much every couple weeks all summer was Mercedes SLR values. And when I get on an SLR value tangent, nobody is willing to talk to me about it. It's probably happened four times over the summer. I've laid a night here, and they're like having dinner, and I'm like going to bed, and I'm like, oh, I got a SLRs are worth this, but I don't know about this. So, anyway, no one's been willing to talk to me about it.

So that's been sad for me. And by the way, this hasn't had it happen to other cars. It's just been the SLR this summer. I'm not really sure why. But now you two have to talk to me about it because we have an SLR live on the site. It's somewhere in Connecticut or Massachusetts or got it. And it's on the site. Now, I want to tell you something very special by this SLR.

I spend an inordinate amount of time looking at SLR values. By the way, no personal interest in the car. I spend an enormous amount of time looking up SLR values. And you know what is interesting? None of them have miles. None of them. One of them has miles. Well, we didn't read it.

They list and they always have 4,000, 6.000. thousand miles and maybe that's because a break job costs $150,000. I don't know. I'm not saying that's why, but I'm saying it's a possibility, right? This particular slur has 36,000 miles and that is cool as hell because this one was actually driven in use and that's pretty baller. It is very baller. Ken and I were talking about this because we have a weekly show where we talk about the cars that are alive now and this is one of them.

So we talked about it. It's incredible how this was very much a competitor, or maybe not a competitor, but out at the same time, and it kind of talked about in the same conversation. Same caliber of car. And the market does not recognize it as on par with us anymore. And that's interesting.

Various things have happened, but production numbers ended up being a big. Significant. I mean, 2157 is a lot of... Well, that and it's five-speed torque converter automatic. Wait, 2157 does not include the 722 or the Sterling Maugh

it includes the Sterling Moss no 2157 was just the regular slur I'm gonna look this up because I think I'm right because I got really into SLRs 2157 total remember when Mercedes said they were going to make

3,500 oh did they remember that I don't remember that no anyway what do we think about this this car there fully but you've been following the market on slurs If you've been reading my text, you'd know. Look, we have to pick and choose our battles.

You just go on tangents, and sometimes we just let you go talk in a corner by themselves. This is one of the other things. I don't know, man. The SLR, I think, offers a tremendous value in that it is instantly recognizable as one of the cars of those era. It is insanely powerful. 617 horsepower is no joke. And, you know, it's this weird collaboration between Mercedes-Benz and McLaren. These cars were built and woking by McLaren, and they were designed by Gordon-Murray.

There's a lot of interesting aspects of the car. I do think that they are undervalued, given how cool and special they are. That said, is it worth as, will it be ever as worth as much as an Enzo Curricentty? Maybe. No. The driving experience in production numbers alone. If you add up Enzo and CurrogGGT production, add them together. You still don't have as many cars as this one.

They're probably worth that much. But I do wonder whether they're primed to at some point actually appreciate in a real meaningful way. Maybe. People have been saying that for years. You know, it's funny. We talk about how hated cars, cars that were hated in there. eventually rise, right? And I was thinking about it the other day, that's not always true.

Like the LFA rose, which I think is actually quite a similar car to the SLR, if you really think about it. Like that automatic, not the most attractive, hated in its time, couldn't sell them, and then it kind of took off later. But for some reason, the LFA took off, but the SLR didn't. I don't really understand that. When I see an SLR, I freak. I absolutely freak.

Like, it's just so insane-looking and, so ridiculous, that long hood, the front thing that looked like Formula One, those wheels, the side exit exhaust. Like, I see one of those, and I'm like Kennan when he sees an E39 M5, you know, or a 540 I'm sport. I want to be clear. But the market, the other 3M tech, yeah. So what do we think about this? Where's this headed, Felipe? Are you got any guesses? Huh? I don't, but I, I, interest should be high on a high mile one, because like, who knows, right? Not a lot of If you want one to drive, this is a good one. It's also got a red interior, right?

Yep, Silver Arrow 300 S.L. Red. And who knows the market? I certainly don't pay attention to the SLR market. But you should. You should. People have delivered that information to you. I don't know the last time I saw an SLR. For the fact that they made 2,200 of them. I see one less regularly than I see a career G-d-team.

Someone in Monica. I'll take a picture of it. What was it? What was it? A 7-22? A roadststststress? a coupe. No, it was a Normie. It was a Normie coop. Dude, a silver coop. Sometimes when it's a quiet night, the kids are asleep and I got nothing going on, I'll think about getting a silver coop. You dream about flipping open that cover on the center, on the shifter, and hitting that

button. And hearing it go, and then flipping over the, open the cover on the center stack and turn on the radio. That's right. Important task. Give us the 308. Give us the 308. Give us the 308. Kenan, then we have to move on to questions. So recently we sold a Ferrari 308 GTSI, which is the second series of the 308 when they went to the fuel-injected engine, the two-val fuel-injected engine before they went to the Quaterovali.

These cars, I drove one, this 82, which sold for a ton of money, had no miles on it, but I think, you know, based on their values, which are kind of in the 50s, 60s, this has gone back to being a great entry-level Ferrari. 308's had a huge spike for a time, and QVs are still more expensive. but for 50 to 60 grand

you get beautiful styling like instantly recognizable Ferrari styling you get a gated manual transmission you get the small go-car analog feel you get the Ferrari experience and 308s are pretty easy to service relative to the cars that came later the engine can be the belts can be done with the engine

in the car they're known for their relative reliability comparatively to uh it's like 355 and 348 and stuff but they are really compelling as hell too cool as hell I mean it's a the wedge shape, and I just think in this price range,

this one's an outlier because it had 1,900 miles on it. But in this price range, they are pretty appealing. And I realize this one is a QV. It had lots and lots of miles on it and that sort of thing. But I think it's the really compelling cars.

I did a video on one. It's one of those, I think. It's this one here on the end. I did a video. What did that sell for the one I did the video on? 60. 60 Gs. I mean, that's great upgrades. I mean, that car was so cool for 60.

Like the Kuntash is cooler, but it's 10 times more expensive. Like, these cars are really cool for what they sell for. They turn everybody's head. They have the cool wedge shape. They look exotic. Like, they are legit, cool cars. And they're actually fun to use.

Like, it's, the Kuntosh is a difficult experience, and that's kind of what you want with it. But this is actually, like, comparatively is very ergonomic and, like, it's fun. And I think that they, I think, you know, I'm not saying that these cars will become super valuable. Again, Ferrari made a ton of these. It was a very successful car. for them at the time. But I think that it, you know, for the longest time, this was a very inexpensive Ferrari. They went very high and I was like, oh, maybe they're getting a cheap three rate or over.

No, I think three rates have settled into a very comfortable spot. Yeah. I think they will ever shoot up. The market has just proven time and time again. They're not that. There's too many. But it doesn't matter. Also, I didn't find it that slow.

I found that the 308, I thought it was zippy. Like, it's not fast, but it's not slow. It's fun to throw it. It's like a mea. Like, it's fun to kind of toss around and kind of push and get into corners. It has good feel. good for you back. It's about the experience and it gives you the Ferrari experience and the lights go up and the horn is ridiculous and like you have all that magic to it. And and and and and, or you can

say it an Italian experience. Right, Felipe? Uh, yeah, he keeps Italian language and just anything if you do anything you try to do an Italian accent, he just like, he's screaming trickles. Maybe people shouldn't try to do an Italian accent. I don't want to do this right now. We can't have this fight in front of people. We'll do it at Pebble Beach because apparently. We'll do it. live. You do there. I will. Okay, I want to move on to questions, and I have questions from people.

First question from EVs and clutch pedals. What's the best car from the worst brand? An excellent automobile with a badge mostly found on crap, with a best car from the worst brand. Philippa, what do you get for us? Okay. I legitimately think that the Maserati-Levanti-Trofeo is a legitimately good car. I said Trafea, but the Modena S is also probably same.

They both have that like real Ferrari derived twin turbo V8 in an SUV. It's a surprisingly good sports SUV. Yeah, I would have gone MC12 on Maserati, but like, yeah, like a version of the like actual like Maserati's that are current era of all the cars you could have said. I would never have guessed that's what you're pretty cool. In all honesty, I agree with that. I actually like that car. It performs really well. It was way too expensive new, but I bet they've depreciated.

Let me tell you, it's not way too expensive views. Yeah, that car's not so bad. It really isn't. I agree with you. I was going to cut a little deeper. I was thinking a little further back. I thought the Saturn Sky was a very good car from a not very good brand. No, no, no.

You're so wrong because every Saturn is good. I knew he would say that. I knew that's exactly. The Saturn SC, the Kuvertion of Saturn has, good. I'm sorry to Saturn. The Saturn view those years that had the Honda 3.5-liter V-X, good. The Sky Red Line was cool. Cool. Okay, I got a couple options for you here, Felipe. You pick one that you like.

Duick Grand National, baby boy. Yeah, sure. That's a good one, right? Acura NSX, NA2, or NA1, honestly. Yeah, but they made so many good cars. The TL-Type S was such a good car at that same moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the NSX is like an all-time automotive icon. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the brand didn't make crap. They made good. They made good. occurs. Okay, get another one. Jaguar XJ-220. Kia Stinger GT. Kia-Makes-T. KIA makes a lot of exceptional automobile. I think I just love cars.

Plymouth, Prouler. The town and country invented the minivan. Cyan FRS. Wait, the town and country wasn't up there. That one's hard for you to. That one's hard for you to. I'm trying. Even you can't do that.

The FRS? The F-R-F-F got me. The X-B was, especially the first-generation X-B, was an icon. And by driver's ed, I used to do drivers-ed in Wisconsin, was at a second-gen-X-B, so I look fondly upon that. All might have been good, by the way, another one? No, no, I meant icon. It's the way it meant. Another one you're not going to agree with, but is right, geo-tracker.

How you feeling? Well, no, I agree with that. I didn't mind the geotracker. Well, people, how come you didn't say, how come you didn't say Suzuki, what was is it called it the Kazashi? Ooh. That's an interesting question. All right, we got to move on.

Because the grand guitar was competitive. What's that? The grand Vitar was competitive. Not with the smallest TVs of its day. All right, we got to move on. Next question from future mercy owner to Felipeo and Kennet. Is there any car that you think Doug unfairly is hard on or unfairly hates? Yep, LFA.

easy trash much all what else he got that well thank you point made thank you very much bad chip ugly LC looks better way too expensive looks good greatest sounding engine ever you usually are going to stand up for the LFA a Japanese car with an audit with a bad automatic that's ugly you were like a musical V10 and reliability I never said it doesn't sound good dudeette I said it's bad yeah bad you're saying the whole car comprehensively is bad and that is not accurate

All right, you're right, you're right. Here's what it sounds like. No, it is much. It's been a while since you've driven one. I think you need to drive one again. No, I'm good. What else? Is there any other car that I unfailles?

I think every other car that I slander is fair. The problem is that Doug likes cars that are bad, not that he doesn't like cars that are good. The Grand Tresmo, you call it ugly, which is incorrect, based on the general populace is feeling toward the car. Yeah, no, but I concede that. I don't like how the, I think the Grand Tourism is one of the ugliest cars ever, honestly, the Maserati Grand Tourism. But I can see that most people really think it looks good and that I have an incorrect.

There's something I don't like about big fender long coops because I think the RX8 is also one of the ugliest things I have ever experienced. And when you really think about those two cars, they have a very similar profile. They have a long wheelbase. The wheels are pulled way out and they have a big long center section. And then they have this sort of sloping big fender in front. and I just don't like that. It makes me uncomfortable. Hmm.

What other, I mean, so there are two right there. Well, there's one. I can see that I'm wrong about the first one. I guess that. Usually it's cars that he likes that he's wrong about, not the cars that he hates that he's wrong about. Yeah. Doug and I don't hate that many cars.

Because we have similar automotive opinions. The moment someone comes up to me and says, I got four three-fifty-sixes, I don't, I never talk to them yet. They're gone. No, I don't. I agree with you on the 356-8. The other day I was having a conversation with somebody here.

I just, I can't, I can't do the bathtub car. Okay, next question. Oh, my God, this is a great question from sob 9-5. Oh, I've wanted to know the answer to this question for years. I should have brought it up on the talk cars segment, but here we're on the question segment, which, by the way, is sponsored by cars and bids. Why are enthusiasts so down on minis? Until recently, it seemed like they offered everything enthusiasts clamor about, yet I see little love for the brand.

That is so true. It's hard to explain to young people, but when the mini came out, enthusiasts thought it was the coolest thing in the world. Car enthusiasts. It was like the Miata, honestly, we had that level of love, not just from like older women in cities, but like car enthusiasts, love the mini. What happened? Like, people hate it now. They're like, oh, it's too big. Well, it's still smaller and everything else.

Why do people hate it now? I have an answer. Your answer is because we all bought them and they broke. And now everybody hates them. No, because there's a lot of cars that people still love despite the fact that they're unreliable. My car has been very reliable. Yeah, okay.

It has been. I think it's an expectations problem. So the same way that when you're like, when you look at a really successful company and they say, we're going to grow a ton. And then they grow instead of 20%, they grow 19% for the 20th year and a bro. People are unhappy about that despite growth.

Right? Despite it doing really well, people aren't happy because they expected more. Yeah. People expected many to be just like super focused on sportiness, super small, the way many was at a certain point. And now it's not that. It's still smaller than others, but like they've grown a bit. And I think people feel betrayed or like it wasn't meeting expectations.

And therefore they don't like it. Even though it still is that, it's not that to the extent that they would promise that. I get that. Okay. Can I make a counterpoint? 20 years ago, BMW, Kenon's beloved brand was making manual transmission four doors and manual transmission, two doors, and the Z8 and all this stuff that everybody loved. Now, BMW makes seven SUVs and they got all this automatic transmission.

They'll make any of the stuff that Kenon used to love 20 years later. Mini, 20 years ago, made a little hatchback with a manual transmission. 20 years later, you know what they make? More or less, a little hatchback with a manual. Like, people are always like, this company changed and they ruined everything. Mini hasn't changed. They tried, and all of their tries failed. And so they just went back to what they're good at, which is the little hatchback.

What's a problem? There's also an element of, like, consumer desires change. And what people also say they want is often not what they actually want. Yeah, but they said they want. I mean, consumer desire hasn't changed that. I mean, am I wrong? Ken, I want to do like Minnie. It's a BMW with a manual.

It's a hot hatch BMW. Where are you? The reliability of the ones. At this point, it's the same as every other. Well, and, yes, and the girl I'm dating currently is looking at getting a new car, and she was thinking about getting a mini. But she, too, is afraid because of the car's reputation that it has. for unreliability.

Someone here asked me just like last week. What are you thinking of the mini? Mini, exactly. It's like, what did you say? I was like, absolutely not. Absolutely not. Exactly. So everybody I know who's had a mini as as.

All right. So maybe reliability is to answer. Maybe reliability is the sole answer despite the countrymen being a great car. I mean, look at Fiat also is another. I mean, like, you know, generally speaking, has been reliability attached to it. It's not true in the case of your 500. My 500 has been incredibly reliable. It has been.

I mean, it's, you know, in rough. It has 52,000 miles. But it's a little more, but it's reliable. Yeah, so I think that's the issue. But I don't know. I mean, they make some great cars that John Cooper works, like, I've driven a number of their cars, loved them all. They're really fun to drive.

But I don't know. And it also is not the, I don't know, I think certain, like, super macho guys, I think it's not the most masculine-looking car. And that's probably not untrue. Nobody cared when it was the R-53, though. Nobody really, I don't know. It was something about that nobody cared. Yeah, it's just, I don't know.

I like the cars they make. I don't know if I'd buy myself, because again, I am afraid of that. There's also some element of like, I think that it's a novelty brand. Just like the fee of 500 money came out with a novelty because of how it was styled, of how it looked, of how, like, it made you feel. And then that novelty wears off. That's true, but these cars do drive really well. So like, I drive it.

Okay. I want to move on to two more questions. Two more questions. Two more questions. Let's do it. These are very good ones. Number one, someone has posted Telemeister, 62, has posted a picture of Costco advertising 2,000 off MSRP on the Ineos. Grenadier and he says sort of jokingly I presume will any of you buy an

eneos now the answer to that is no because used they're selling for thirty seven thousand dollars off MSRP it really failed didn't it like like it's cool and and I and I think that it's it's it's it's very helpful for the like rich guys to cosplay being being cool don't you think that's like what it is as like a brand like but look at the vehicle that's limited speed limit it's like 97 miles per hour or so on The issue has been that once the crop of people who wanted them bought them, they have had a hard time finding buyers. And I noticed that every NEO dealer, you got 60 of them stacked. The trucks are stacked.

They got tons of incentives. They got tons of cash in the trunk or the cargo area, as it were. And I'll tell you something. This French, German, British car is not fighting a huge audience. At the same time, you see a lot of them. I don't think there's, I wouldn't call them a failure yet. Yeah, you do see a lot of them. But at what cost?

They sell. Am I interested in what $2,000? No, I still think it's overpriced. I actually think it's cool. I like it, but I like it at like 40, which, what are these selling for on the site? 60s. High 60, high to mid-60s. I'm like a 70 to 80 sticker.

Give it two years. Give it two years. Longevity will be tough. It's not a bad product. Kenan will be interested. Kenan will be interested. I think they're cool, but no, not for me. Cannon will be interested in a $10,000 Kyan Turbo.

Okay, next question, final question. The question is directed to me, but Felipe's going to answer it. Actually, there's two more very quick. From Jason Buchholz, Doug, you always say you are waiting for Mercedes to make a fully electric E-class wagon or a plug in. I put electric car charges at my home. I want to plug something in. I would love that. The question is, my question, and, Felipe, this is really to you.

The next two are both for you. My question is, does the Porsche Tycon Cross-Turismo wagon, not appeal to you as they have become such bargains on the used market. Filippo answer the question. Three pieces. Does it appeal to me? Sure. Do I want one?

No, because I like practical wagons. And the Taekon is not a practical wagons. That's a big part of it. With this Panamerif Port-Juraiso. And thirdly, they're not cheap enough yet. I buy cars out of a sub-20. Okay. I want you to answer as if you're me.

And I wouldn't be my... The second thing was right threat of the money. It's not quite practical enough. A Taekon Cross-Trizzmo is cool. but you're right it doesn't have the cargo area it doesn't it's not quite practical what's the primary reason i don't purchase this car fully but what's the oh of course despite the fact that you own a Porsche and deeply want another Porsche you're not a Porsche person it's not that I'm not a Porsche person I just don't want to like have a I'm not

driving my kids around a Porsche it's just not going to occur this is not just a Mercedes one of the two the rare 200,000 convertible Barbie car like I it's a weird hangout but like I would it's just not it's not in my blood The guy with the Kuntosh can't be seen as goge. I agree this. Well, I'm not taking any. My kids have never been in that car. They never will be.

That's sequestered. I parked this stuff in front of my house. Like, I don't want a Porsche. I agree with you. It's just not, it's not how I was raised on who I am. It's not who I am at my heart. Do you agree? No.

No, I agree. Legitly. I get it. Just a Mercedes and a Toyota with camo fenders. Yeah, it's a good you are. Dude, I'm a Toyota guy. I got to use Mercedes-Wagin that I bought from the Mercedes-Benz dealership there in Tulsa. and I got a Camo Secoa.

Yep, we got a Camo Sequeau with a bumper sticker around that says, Come and take it. Come and take it. I got Trump's face on my personal checks. Okay, next question. Final question. This is a good one. Jay's sturdy 388 for Felipe, our resident Italian-American.

Italian. Excuse me? You're confusing to be an American? Do you not an American? You don't want to be an American anymore? Well, then you can guard. No, you can leave. Hopefully.

We're going to call ice right now. If you don't want to be in America anymore, Street Speed 717 will personally kick you out of the country. He'll kick you out of himself. I've met Street Speed. I sat in the back of his challenger. I drove his Challenger Hellcat. Hopefully he remembers me and we'll say that.

No, dude, he doesn't. He only remembers Americans, proud Americans. All right. For Felipe, a resident Italian, who has become a naturalized American citizen of a pulpit. He should have said that. I did have to sing. I'm proud to be an American when I was naturalized,

as is the song they play. I don't think that's true. Now that we have the first American Pope, what American car would you pick to be the Pope-Mobile? Yeah, great question. I think that an Explorer sport track is perfectly suited for this. It already has the bed to add a platform, like a glass platform onto.

True, not true. Yeah, yeah. Was that built in the state? You got to assume. Well, I don't assume anymore because the Ford GT, which is America's God, is built in Canada. And then it's terrorist. So let's see. Explorer Sport Track, where built?

No one's ever asked this question on Google. Oh, Louisville, Kentucky. You're all set. Oh, we're good. We're good. You're all set. Okay. That's our podcast for today.

Philippo's chosen the Pote Mobile. Yeah. It's going to be the title. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much for watching. We will see you. What is it?

Sunday of next Sunday. Are we going to do this same pod like with RJ? Like are we going to take questions and talk about stuff? Yeah. Yeah. If you have questions for RJ, put them in the community post. We will do our best to ask some of the best ones. Do you agree that I can't act like this around RJ?

He's like too legit. Oh boy do I. I know you won't, but you should. Like he's too, he went to MIT and RPI like I can't. Oh my God. He went to Henry. Be proud. I can't behave.

haven this way. What are we going to do? You have a career GT. I'm driving a Rivian to Monterey Car Week, by the way. Oh, wow. If you see a Rivian at Monterey Car Week, it might be Felipe. It may also be a Monterey resident who's upset that their city's

been overtaken by the car people. Could be one of the other. Felipe's got an Illinois license plate on his, and that's because he dreams of the Midwest. And because Diamond Star Motors, the original topic, made this car, just like they made the Plymouth Layser. R.S, the original R.S.

Built there. I apologize for this podcast, ladies and gentlemen, our finest ever. Boy, do I too. Do you have anything? No, just, just, I'm so sorry. Bye, bye, everyone. It's good to be back. Goodbye.