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Episode Date: June 7, 2024

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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippo. And we're back. A new episode. All right. Which means we have news. And there's a lot to talk about.

We haven't recorded a news segment in weeks. We are back. And the first news story is the new Porsche 9-11. Newish. Newish. So the Porsche 9-11 news is that the 992, 9-11, has been refreshed to create the 9-9-9-1. to 0.2. Or dot 2, as the losers say.

They haven't announced anything about this car, really. I know. You're like, yes, they have. They've announced two trims. Two trims, and the base trim is basically the same. The only real change they announced is to the GTS model, which now is getting a hybrid component, a new 3.6-liter flat 6 and a hybrid component. It's adding 50 horsepower, and it's a hybrid kind of turbocharger.

I don't want to get into the technical of it. I spent a whole time reading it yesterday and I figured it all out. It's beyond what we talk about here. My understanding is they're also offering no manual transmission on the base model anymore. They haven't. The regular Carrera is already not available as a base. Yeah. But they'll come back with a stick.

They just haven't announced any of the other 992.2s, which is why this news is not tremendously exciting to me. In fact, people made kind of a big deal of this. It's the first hyper 9-11. Yeah, but, you know, they went to the first turbo 9-11s a couple of years ago. go and like it's going to drive like pretty well like a 9-11 the gt s has as much power it's it is a 9-11 it will drive great we can all we all know that's going to be it's going to be a lot of a talk about the front end it's not a it's not a it's not a plug-in hybrid so the result to me is that i think

it's going to be a lot just kind of like a it's car like i suspect you won't really be driving it around you won't really notice the hybrid component all that much i think that's right people on red list better do it, by the way. For a 9-11. For a 9-11. People on Renlist are freaking out saying that the previous model is going to be now incredibly desired because the new one's gone to hybrid. I don't know.

The previous one was already a small displacement turbo motor. If anything, the one before that is... Right, the 991. Dot one, but those haven't really, you know. So, like, I don't think that's true to all. People just like the newest and the fastest and the most exciting. And Porsche is going to engineer this very well, and I'm sure it'll be wonderful. Two other changes. So the GTS is as powerful as the turbo, the dot-1 turbo was.

I'm sure it'll be incredibly fast. Yeah. There's no longer a little key on the left side. Yeah, what is the deal with that? I don't know why anybody cares. Well, because it's a little bit of the mall start. It's still on the left. Yeah, I know, but you twist a key.

Of course, it's all about analog engagement. Listen, when I get into that car. Do you think of McCannes had a key? No, but you know what it has? Do you know how they've done this? They have a little, but I thought the McCann had a button now, no? You know, that's an interesting question. I'm not sure.

I can't remember. It's been a while since I've ever been. I haven't been in a new Macon yet, and it's been a while also been a new Kyan. But they have had this little switch that you twist. It seems equivalent to a button. Well, why is it worse? People seem to be up in arms about the button thing. Frankly, I think it's just they're very incremental design,

and every time any little thing has changed, there's a lot of talk about it. But if this were any other automaker, this would be a footnote, that a small hybrid version was added to one trim level and a button instead of a switch. But it's a 9-11, so it's a big thing. Yes, the front end. The front end, yeah, a lot of people say they don't like, They don't like these slats, these vents across the front. I don't find it that offensive, to be honest with you.

I think it looks like an hour. It's minutia. Filippa's a minutia. This is not a Porsche podcast. We don't get into the little, little stuff. Next news story, please. All right. There are a lot in the months that we've been off the air.

A lot of new EVs announced. I'm going to talk about them for literally a second each. Blazer EV is actually out on sale. So is the Honda Prolog and the Accura ZDX, apparently. There is no way they're selling prologs. There's no way. There are billboards for them, and I believe there are at dealers. There's a billboard down the street where the hundredpillar.

And I believe they're on dealers. The CDX is coming out soon, which is the Accra version. They're all, eh. What would you have to be paid to drive one of these cars? I think it's for free. You drive, which is the least desirable? It's got to be the Blazer. You know, you would think that, but because of that, it's the most desirable.

It's like a really ugly dog. The Jeep, I actually am interested. The Jeep, I actually am interested. interested in. One interesting thing, did you see that they, this is the Wagoneer S. So it's a smaller, shorter, lighter, littler Wagoner. You're right, because they had no other names they could have used. Well, they want to spin off Wagoner as a brand. And so I think the high-end jeeps going forward are probably going to be Wagoners. But did you see the interesting thing about the Wagoner? The only interesting thing about all these cars is about the Wagoner. They're sitting there

might do a gas version too. Really? So... Only they had a car that exactly. The Wagoner is the size of a Grand Cherokee, basically. Yeah, that's right. But honestly, it looks a little better. It does look better. But for those wondering, the equinox and the Kalaak optic, whatever that one's called, some of that, are, you know, normal pedestrian EVs. The Wagoneer S is more powerful. Yeah. The same 800-ish horsepower that all the high-end EVs have.

Would you care about any of these cars unless they hit you? I haven't heard, listen to a word you guys have said. No, I wouldn't. I'm just looking at like what will be in the rental fleet when I go on vacation. I'm trying to find something salvageable about it. interesting about these cars and I can't find anything. You can't find anything else about the ZDX? Do you remember the first ZDX?

These three are Yon City. They're the same basic car. I assume this is also the same thing. I think that that's an Equinox. Nobody knows what this is. It came out a week ago. But what's the difference between these two? The Equinox, as with the real Blazer, is smaller.

I've never understood the difference between the Equinox and the Blazer in the gas-powered lineup. And now they're screwing me over on the electric lineup, too. Are you saying that you understand between a Honda-Fier V and a Honda Passport? Same thing. I don't understand why the passport exists. I think the Honda passport is one of the most embarrassing cars on the market today. Selling poorly in that exact situation.

I've seen like four, and it's people that they probably couldn't find a pilot on the lot. Let's go on to the next legitimate news story, please. Ah, real one. Here we go. The Ferrari. Now it's dodici chilindri. Or we will call it the 12th cylinder. Yes, always good to name your car after something that's impronounceable to a lot of people.

Also, imagine a German trying to say this. Has Ferrari naming gone that bad? like yeah for yes I mean think really think about it the 812 was okay but yeah law ferrari was the first one that was really a dumb name I mean even Enzo Enzo was the first dumb name right Enzo was the first dumb name four five it Italia also was kind of like Because remember with Enzo they wanted people to say Enzo

Ferrari instead of Ferrari Enzo yeah remember that This isn't the Ferrari it's the Enzo Ferrari why is the Dino acceptable Well the Enzo's name after his son Well the Enzo's name after the guy no no but they're both stooped Well the no the Dino was the Ferrari 24 G-T. That was the name of the car. Oh, right, so there was a number of pharmacists.

I'm telling, when the Enzo came out, they wanted you to say Enzo Ferrari. Anyway, the 12 cylinder. This is a big deal, so this is the 812 replacement. This is, so it's got a 819 horsepower, 500 foot pounds of torque, N-AV-12. Now, we all thought that the 8-12 was the last. Yeah. And then the 8-12 competition. Oh, this is the last.

Well, here's a brand new. N-A! It's not even hybrid-assisted. No. What's going on here? We were told, and I made videos. I made videos, Kevin. You're on record.

Probably. I don't remember, but I probably. Well, so is the whole... Everyone. Top gear. Jeremy Clarkson told me the last V-12 was that A-12. I remember watching that episode. Yep.

I guess they found a way for it not to be. I don't know. But what's wild to me is... It's the same engine. They're not even like, ooh, we're going to do like a hybrid assist. We're going to come out with this littler displacement. Nope.

We're just going to keep going. Right. At some point, it has to end. Yeah. This, by the way, this is the same engine that was in the Enzo Ferrari. It's the same architecture, and they've continued to develop it for this long. Heritage. Heritage. Yeah, heritage.

But, I mean, yeah, it is wild that this car exists at all. I'm kind of surprised that they've done another thing like this. I truly thought this would have been a hybrid, at least. Yeah. I understand they want to keep a 12-soundr-GT flagship car around, but you've got to imagine at some point the hybrid's coming. So this is an 8-12 replacement. This is the next generation, 599, 8-12. This is it.

The flagship 12-s-s-s-o-old-GT. Wait, everyone's going to call it the 12th cylindery. 100%. I'm just going to call it the 12. I'm not even going to bother it the cylindry part of it. To be fair, they already have the Ferrari F12, so why not? 12. Now it's 12C.

But so what do we think of how it looks? It's supposed to be like a Daytona. Well, the front end is clearly Daytona. I mean, the wrap around headlights and all that. And I think the front and sideboard, I think it's beautiful. The rear, I don't know exactly what they're doing with all this light. Is it a hatchback? Yes, it is a hatchback.

It will be just like the 812. and the F-12 prior to that. And the Daytona. Except that's not true, is it? The Daytona has a trunk. The Daytona looks like it should be a hatchback. But it wasn't. It wasn't.

They decided to make it impractical. Because the glass was too heavy. That was the thing about the 70s cars. But nonetheless, I think it's a, I can't wait to see it in person. I'm happy that another one, another tol. No, not wait. I mean, yeah, I'm excited. I can wait my entire life.

The two of you are so different. He gets into the electric SUVs and here we are, and he's not paying attention now. Well, you can get excited when you see one of these. Very exciting. I saw a boy review yesterday. I saw a prologue a few weeks ago. You've seen a prolog? Yeah.

I can't convince Honda to send me one. I'm certain they think I'm going to review it poorly, which I will because it's bad. And so my view is if you're making a bad car, send it to the press. Let them talk about its badness. Right. Let them talk about its bad. It works great for Fisker. I thought that was a good car.

I will be very excited when I see these around because we will see them. So 819. How much power did the 812 have? 789 horsepower. Oh, right. So this is rounded up to 800 PS. And this is also 8,000. 30 PS, but in the real world

819. So everybody who bought an 812 thinking that it was like the end of the line. Right. That turns out you got one more. And this car is cooler looking, if we're honest. Yeah, it's I think it's one of the more beautiful designs to take the front specifically. I'm still not totally sold on the rear. I kind of like it

all. This like haunch and then it goes down. It looks like a 177. And I asked a 177 a little. Interesting. The wide rear and then the flat like forward facing front. I don't get 177 front, but we'll similar word plus

number that's his contribution well because it's 1 O and E 7 7 7 isn't it in the acidarm brand name yeah 1 colon 77 is that true yes but nonetheless

they also announced the at the same time so the coop and the spider coming out together that's right there's a spider which is kind of it's interesting so it's not the 812 GTS they brought that name back and now they want to continue to it is that copyright thing that they got in trouble with or they have to keep it relevant so

it'll be the With that in mind, I am surprised that they come out with a new name for a car, and that the name is 12-cylinder. Ferrari hasn't come out with like a truly new name. They just keep reusing old names, the Luso and the Daytona, et cetera, so there's been a lot of them. Very funny that they didn't decide to call this the Daytona, considering, I don't know, it looks like one. Instead, they called the SP3, the Daytona, which looks like an alien spaceship. A mid-engine spaceship-looking car. Instead of one that literally looks like the Daytona.

Maybe they thought that was two on the nose, so they called it the Dodici-Sylinder or whatever. Can I ask a legitimate question? We're all 812 super fast? Dude, that was the dumbest name of all. Super fast. Although I think the dumbest name, history will judge the dumbest name is speedster, which sounds like the kind of thing my kid would say, that's a little speedster.

Porsche people are up in arms now. It's not stupid. If you think of it, if you really think of it, not all 812s are super fast. Only the coupe regular. The convertible was a GTS, super fast, unrelated. You go to the dealer and say, I want a base 812. It's a super fast.

They can say that's a super fast. You say I want a GTSS, it's not super fast anymore. You want a competentzione. That is a football helmet. It does look like a football helmet. All right, that is the Ferrari 12-cylinder. It looks really cool. I'm thrilled.

Oh, wow. We're on there. Jeez. I'm thrilled at the V-12's continuation, aren't you? I am. SP3 and this. It's still around. And an SUV.

I mean, that's pretty cool. Yeah, it's in a perosolway, too, huh? Yeah, it is. We're living in a very cool time of 12-cylinder Ferraris. And, you know, at some point the end will come. you know, but we just... Well, I don't... Well, I don't...

I'm no longer going to make claims to that effect, because it was clear to all of us that it would based on the fact that all the other automakers have kind of been making this switch, and Ferrari seems like, nope, we're going to keep doing it. It's interesting. That's, to me, the most interesting thing about this car is the fact that...

They're just doing it. They're just doing it. Yeah, I certainly agree. It's not the... Yeah, there are a lot of interesting aspects about it, but, yeah, obviously the engine is so important that the car is named after it. Nave 12.

Especially interesting because they have gone small displacement turbo plug-ins for other model lines but this can well and there are rumors that the next supercar they're working on is going to be a six a turbo charge six-lander hybrid that makes a thousand horsepower allegedly there won't have a 12-slander engine so i don't know we'll see but those are those those every car like that that comes out makes the career gt more valuable every single car and every friar that came before it yeah and all those cars all those analog speaking of supercars sorry uh we got this catac thing so catalack announces the other day. It doesn't announce, but in some interview somewhere, I didn't really dig into it.

So their head of design is like, yeah, we want to make a supercar. Yeah, we want to make a hypercar. It's like, what? Really? Why? What, did they decide? You know, we didn't waste enough money moving our offices to New York. We got to, and then back. By the way, that was, they shouldn't have moved back. That was such a mistake. Instead, we should build a supercar. The thing about it, though, is having a hypercar or a supercar as a flagship has been successful in some cases. Yes. It really helped Lexus a ton. It did not help Lexus. They executed it worse than any car company has ever executed. anything in the history of the automobile.

The R-8 was the one. Do you remember the Dodge Nitro? Sorry. But nonetheless, I mean, I guess it's to celebrate. Cadillac has been doing quite well in motor racing and motorsport in general. They're trying to get into Formula One. It seems like they're being blocked at every possible corner to do that. But they want to compete, like, motorsports and, like, fast and cool to maybe continue to

get rid of that stigma or only owned by old people. You know, it's interesting because I now have started to think of Cadillac is a brand transitioning to electric cars. we always think of the escalade um but they're actually if you really think about it they're actually really still trying to shake this old person stigma and really they've got the v blackwing cars which are very exciting and very like very very thrilling oh yeah they've got um and and escalate v that performance is still like a thing in their minds and um yeah they're trying to break into formula one still yeah or now which is crazy and now they're talking about this like they

i kind of thought catalytic had decided they were done trying to compete with the performance of brands, but like maybe they're not. Well, yeah, I thought when they tried to license the, what was it? Was it the Who? It was the Rolling Stones, I think. Remember when they were trying to like get like rock music into their commercials to break the old stigma? That was 20 years ago.

Well, speaking of 20 years ago, this is not Cadillac's first foray into trying to make a supercar. One of my all-time favorite supercar concepts was called the CN, and it came out in the early 2000s, and I thought it was the coolest thing in the whole world. Cadillac at the time had debuted this edgy design language, all the cars had like flat edges.

Art and science. Is that what it was called? Really? Art and science? And the CN did it the best of any of them, and they didn't put it to production, which I thought was such a mistake, although they said that it would have been an automatic.

The XLR looks identical. This was a mid-engine... Okay, this was a mid-engine supercar. They clearly took inspiration from this concept for the XLR. Well, all the Cadillacians. They went to, they started using protractors to design. I just wanted to bring up the XLR as when they tried this. This grill straight out of the XLR.

part here. And it looked good. The protract, like, it was this weird flat thing, but it actually translated pretty well to the cars. And this would have been an amazing Halo car if they had done it, and if it had been a stick, although I think they said it was going to be a tip. But now they're back talking about it again. The thing that makes me a little nervous about this, making a hypercar is now easy because you can just make an electric car with 1,500 horsepower, do 060 and 2 seconds. If that's what they do, then like, yeah. Do we care? I don't disagree. If they did some, hybrid crazy version of

the CT5V Blackwing engine in this with some hybrid power. Imagine if they went supercar. One last hurrah, V8 manual mid engine, they just did it. That would change the world. It would be really cool. Get out of here. You know nothing.

The world would have changed. Oh, everybody would have respect for Cadillac for the first time ever. To be honest with it, like driving the Blackwing changed my, even even me. I actively want one. I just don't know when they're going to depreciated if they will or not so I'm waiting but like I really actually want one and that's me someone who like disavowed American cars for years and years and years and that car like is one of

the best cars I've ever driven yeah and I want it I like actively want it but yeah so but if they get this spend a hundred grand or whatever right I'm not in a 55 but not on the car that you think is the best car in the world and that's the problem like Cadillac will have with the the F-355 is done depreciating I don't like depreciation I just can't stomach it Cadillac will have a lot of problems with this and I suspect it doesn't actually have And General Motors has teased supercars and high-end sports cars before. And at the end of the day, the best we get is corvettes. What I don't understand is that XLR, which was a re-skinned Corvette, wasn't that successful?

But it wasn't, I'm surprised they're not trying it again with the C-8. Yeah. Like, why not? Why not? They probably could refine the C-8 makeup. The E-ray probably should have been a Cadillac. Yeah. That's a great point.

Why not just do that? That's a good, yeah. XLR, it still is very desirable and valuable on the use market. You don't think so? XLRVs are like 50. And we see, I see them too. And it's always like how they looked.

I agree with you. Plus the North Star had gotten its issues worked out by then. Okay, you want to make your transition to our last news story? Yeah, I can go back the slide. Let's talk about the Ferrari 12th Salomon. This car has 800-thumming horsepower.

Yes, 819. All right. There is a new version of the Rivian. So there's a redesign-ish of the R1, so the R1T and R1S. They're calling this like a refresh, but also the second generation.

What the CEO, of Rivian has said Andrew's Kerrang! Is that everything below the surface has changed, even though it looks almost identical. If you are a Ribbon fanatic, you'll know that the light board is a little bit different. They may have lost like the first, the window in front of the driver's side door.

It looks a few minor, minor changes. But everything below the surface, they claim has been redone. So they've changed a bunch of wiring. They've changed a bunch of kind of electronics. And there's a new, there's a new three motor version that's as powerful as the prior four motor version. So 840.

35 horsepower and there's also a new quad motor version presumably of the R1T and R1S that will have a 1,025 horsepower 1198 pound feet of torque 11003 a two and a half sec-some different numbers out on the internet a two and a half seconds here to 60 a 10 and a half second quarter mile oh wow the key question of course is why why got to beat your buddy in his 12 cylinder and you will I mean of course you will so there's so the newest version of this R1S and R1T the quad motor is going to have a thousand and twenty-five horse power and eleven hundred pound feet and they say sub two and a half second zero to sixty and also for the ones that people actually buy it there's a little bit more range there's some other kind of technical improvements that should actually be

notable for people that are actually in the market for darwath right like the tech is all new on a new platform is this is this just done as a response to the cyber beast because that the whole reason they wanted to do this i mean just so much power my understand i think the power in eves is that you can, so why not? Like, fundamentally, there's basically a motor in each wheel. It probably is a response to stuff like the Cyberbeast, but I think at the end of the day, yeah, other brands are doing a thousand horsepower. We can easily do a thousand horsepower. Why not just do it? You want to have the same bragging rights they do. And let's be clear, Rivians have not exactly been the strongest sellers over the last year. And so, we need a refresh.

So there's going to be new tech. We don't know. There's like a new underlying software technology for all the infotainment. Is the infotainment going to be different? I believe so. We don't know. There's not a lot of details. I should mention this. This It was announced like an hour before we started this podcast, so there will be more details coming soon. I will say everything is just theoretically more efficient. They claim that they've removed some number of miles of wiring by going to an architecture that's similar to what Tesla uses. The large battery is actually down in range, but the max battery is a little bit higher. 420 miles of range. Of course, the large battery is not the largest battery. Right, right. That's the max. Right, 430. Yeah. It's like a bunch of small improvements. And apparently it sets them up better for the R2 and R3.

There's also this new wheel, which I think is Hayne. I love it. Well, you're wrong. Unfortunately, their press photos take it in the dark rain. They took their press photo in, yeah, in Spokane. In Spokane at 6 p.m. with a 612 sunset. Come on the, guys, you got to get it. Get it over there.

On the Rivian subreddits on Twitter, there's a bunch of photos of them already on the lots. So I think they're already being built. Yeah. It hasn't been. It looks like they're going to go on sale real soon. It says this summer, but it's June 6. So the summer's in two weeks. I'm excited.

I mean, it seems like notable, good improvement. Does it move the needle? Probably not. No, but it's nice. You move the needle by redesigning the card, making it look different. And you do need a little bit of help, because Rivians have kind of started to fall a little bit by the wayside. There's a lot of competition now, and they're pricey.

It's a one that I'd buy. Really, over the Hummer. If I had 80 grand, yeah. Over the Hummer. Yeah, Doug right now is reviewing the Hummer, the GMC Hummer EV-SUV edition one. Probably. No, it's called the 3X. That's the trim level.

It's so embarrassing. This is not embarrassing. It is embarrassing. It is of 10,000 pounds. 9 to 200. Which is 4,000 more than the Rivian. 4,000 more than the Rivian. They're the same size.

The Rivian has, it's wild. It's my E39M5 full of passengers and luggage heavier than the Rivian. Even though they take that at the same footprint. How did GM do that? It's just deep GM stuff. Like, we're just going to not engineer this as well as everybody else. And instead, we're going to make it look cool. Yeah, Doug loves it.

I do like it a lot. He'll talk about it in a video. soon? We can even talk about it on this pod soon. Or even now. No. Okay. All right. With the news is over, let's talk about other things. I was recently in Europe. That's a continent. Every time you say Europe, people are like, it's not a country. We all know. Where are you? I went to a lot of different places, okay? But the main takeaway is that I rented a Mercedes-Benz metris. Nice. In Europe, this is called, depends on the model you get, but it's called the Vito. And this is the one I got. It was so base that it only had door on the passenger sliding door on the passenger side.

What? Clawed seats, cub caps, plastic bumpers, no heated seats. Did have Bluetooth. Bluetooth and backup camera. Honestly, that's about all I'm looking for. Bluetooth backup camera and seven seats. That's all I needed from a rental car. How annoying was to get children?

Because you have two children that you do in the car seats. There's only one door. It wasn't ideal. Yeah. Yeah. And you know the real problem with this van, the seats don't fold. Yeah. They don't.

Really. The backrest folds forward. Which, okay. But like in a Honda Odyssey, you push a button and the seat collapses and moves forward and you have easy in like one second and you can easily just walk into the third row. And this, you fold the seat under the backrest, the backrest folds, and then you just jump on top of it and then get into third row. This is a trash car, an utter complete trash. Did it have, I see the like pedestrian braking sensor. Did it have distronic? No, it didn't have distronic or a rear wiper that had fallen off.

It had a rewiper at some point, but some previous renter. I discovered that, as you may expect, in the rain. It didn't have any form of sunroof. I think that's a reflection of the roof racks. What a great car. Yeah, utter and complete drive. Does you enjoy driving around Lake Como famous for its tight streets? You know, the one benefit this van has, and the reason I've now realized that they're popular in Europe instead of our vans.

They're narrow. They have all the seats that the American vans have, but they are not much. much wider than the little cars in Europe. And so it actually was no problem in Lake Comet, Italy, and I drove Germany, Switzerland, Lichtenstein, Italy, Austria, all those countries, no problem. Absolutely no problem driving around. Huge. Unfortunately, you are parked on a trail because those signs are mile markers. This is a, this was a pass that it opened two weeks earlier. And the Google told us to go up and it was absolutely terrifying. It was the first time my son saw snow. Okay, that was the Mercedes-Benz Metris. That was my, that's my contribution. I also,

We also went to the Mercedes or to the BMW Museum in a diesel five series. Let me tell you what happened. I walked into the museum. I was very excited. This is the five series room. I thought to myself, there's going to be rooms for all the cars. They were not. But this is the five series room. I sent a picture to Canon. Yeah, it was so excited. Look at that nice pre-facelift E-39 looks like a 540 with a sport package. You think of the 540? Well, it's got the wheels of the sport package. Dude, they were all super base models.

They were all like 518s and stuff. That E-34 looks great. E-34 looks great. Like this is a 524 TD. They couldn't find a 535 eye. This is for the museum. They were all like super base model. Even the new one was like a 518, non-injected.

Finding well-preserved base models is tough. But why did they pull it off the line at the time? Come on. Anyway, I went to the museum. It was actually kind of a disappointment, to be perfectly honest. The museum is geared for people who are like tourists visiting Munich. And so I was wanting to see all these cars. And really it's a lot of like, like this is the entire M room.

Every M car that they had was here. There was an M1 behind me too. That was it. And I spent the whole time in the museum walking for an E3 and 5. And Kenner was asleep when I was there because of the time difference. And I set this like long text. Like is it in this room? Is it in this room?

Here's a picture of this room. It's not here. You always know he's gone on a tire. when you wake up, you have 150 text messages. Like, oh, well, okay. And in the end, the only E339M5 was a 143rd scale model, which I think really twisted the knife because he doesn't respect 143rd as a scale.

Right, 1-18th or nothing. I mean, come on, that'll be ridiculous. Wow. Yeah, that's 143rd. That's a toy. But that is so, I mean, I'm not at all surprised, not to speak badly of BMW Classic, but they don't do the best job supporting their older cars,

especially their icons. but the E39M5 deserves respect and you know it's sad that it's not in there. Well, instead there was a Z3M roadster built in South Carolina. Can I ask you a question? Do the license plates have any meaning? Well, they all start with them because they're all in Munich, but none of them are registered.

They don't have like, I don't know. I feel like you're running the museum. You own that car. You can put whatever you want. Put the license plate on that says BMW Museum. Right. Something. Not the actual license plate it was registered.

I was surprisingly disappointed. I will say it was only 10 euro to get in. That's not bad. but it really didn't have all that much stuff. It really was just for tourists who like visit Munich and like want to say, like if you're a car geek, you're not going to really geek out at this place. There's not all that many cars.

There's a ton of floor space, there's not many cars. There's like an Elvis room because you get a 507. And it's like, I don't care. I'm sorry, I don't care. I want to see variants of the X-5.

I want to see clay models of the X-5 before it went into production. Right. And then I want to see an X-5-LM. I want to see that car out. But now, granted, that was it was Vildesda. But not at the museum. BMW does have this incredible treasure trove of cars that BMW Classic has in some secret warehouse. And they've filmed some amazing videos on their YouTube channel.

Somebody told them they can't be longer than five minutes, though, and they're all like really short and very disappointing. And they could go on for hours and people would watch. But I would pay multiples of what it costs to get in here just to walk around. Yeah, I would pay hundreds of dollars if I could see the whole skunk works going back all the way, 70s, 80s, 90s, all the weird. Because we know there's a lot of them. And every so often they announce a new one from the night. 90s that they had never told anybody about until now. And it's like, oh my God.

Exactly. So what are they hiding down there? What are they hiding? And instead, I'm looking at a Z3M. Which, by the way, I love that car, but I want to see, I want to see an X5 convertible. Remember how Porsche made that Cayenne convertible in the late 2000s, like as a concept? Is that at the Porsche Museum? Probably.

But yeah, I want to see. Yeah, that's what I want to see. I want to see. Yeah, there's so many, like, there just must be cool stuff down that we've never heard of or whatever. And I know that would mean that they would probably have to cordon some of that off if they don't want people to hear about an experiment that failed in the 90s for some reason. I don't get that. Like, show me weird stuff. But the problem is that doesn't work for a general audience.

Like, most of the people there, I have to say, were guys who had brought along, like, their girlfriend and their wife. And I felt so bad for these wives, like, the guys, like, looking at this, the third BMW motorcycle. And, you know, they spent 10 minutes on the first two. And it's like, ugh. And so, like, you can't do too much. You have to also put in historical context and colors, samples and things like that in order to make it. appealing for us real enthusiasts. All I want is a cement bunker.

Yeah. Filled with cars. Yeah. That's all I want. Luckily we have that. Just let me just look around. That's all I want. I don't need, I also don't need plaques.

Like, I love a tour with somebody who knows what's there. I don't need necessarily plaques telling me every little detail whatever. I just want to like see like, wow. You've been to the Peterson medium vault. I have been to the vault. Yeah. I have not.

But like that's, that's what they need to do. It's so cool down there. They got the Pope's car. Although the Peterson upstairs is actually really, really cool also. Oh yeah. There's always an amazing amount of. stuff, but they have a lot of cars and a lot of floor space.

BMW, they didn't really, plus they had an art car exhibit, and then I went to it, and the cars weren't there, they took them all to Lake Como, and so they were all gone. However, you got me something from BMW. Oh, I did. I got Kenan, Kenan's birthday happened when I was away. It's actually we share the same birthday. Yes, we do. And I got Kenan this book, which is the BMW Wimmel book.

What does that mean? We don't know. Many people will tell us. It has all the Germans. Top right, like top right street? Yeah, that looks like a Volkswagen transporter. There's a lot, it's quite an interesting book. It's supposed to be like, like, you're supposed to, it's a kid's book.

Yes. And you're supposed to find, like, this very German man on every page and things like that. And the Catholic. People could spend an hour in this book. How many times of the two series active tour or shun? That's the weird thing. That car's not in production anymore, and it's generally agreed that it was trash. There's two on the- There's two on this page.

And on the cover. We have to keep it relevant. But there's a look at this. This is a lot of good BMW stuff. The drawer, the artist, did a pretty. good job drawing all these cars. The only drawback in my mind is that on the page that with all the

old historical cars, there's an E34, there's a Z1, there's an M1, Z-Sat-6, I-Seta, but you know what, there's not? No E-39. They continue to disappoint. That's an E-34. That's an E-34. Okay, sorry, I, legitimately

from my angle, could be out of it. They screw Kennan once again. This thing, nobody knows what that is. No, they had to fit some heritage car in there. that was made before World War II. Luckily, there is a BMW I-X electrician. Yeah, but they put that in there. There's an I-X and there's a snowmull.

There's a luge, a bobsled. BMW is so neglectful of the E-39 that the bobsled got higher bidding than the E-39. Sorry, Kenan. But nonetheless, you have your Wimble Book. Well, thank you. That's very kind.

I have not yet. I have not had a chance to look through it, though I look forward to it. I also have a present for you, for your birthday. Good present. Tennant's a thoughtful, man. Oh, you've already seen this present? I have.

Is it the new Kuntash Lega? I had no part in this. I got this for you from a company, I think it's called car rugs or something. You are currently working on, are having an addition done to your house. But it's not done yet. I wanted you get you something that you can walk on every day when you go cross that threshold. Wow. This will be interesting.

That's a great yoga map. A little uncomfortable, but. Oh, my God, it's a Carrera GT. Oh, this is the best thing in the world. I'm going to use this for my house. Yeah, that's what I figured. Forget the garage. They had a bunch of car costs.

They also did one of my E-39. I sent them a side profile and they like made it for me and it showed up. And I thought I saw Korea. They had all three though. They had 4GT, Carrere GT and Roundbelly Kuntas as well. I was like, well, I could have G500 Cabria. Sadly not, but I could be made. Look at this.

This is a beautiful, wonderful thing. I just thought, I saw, I know it's a little bit soon, but it actually happened to pop up on my Instagram feed and I was like, you know, I think that's like her. So Instagram marketing got me. Instead, got him. This is excellent. A fantastic gift and I can't wait to use it. And you know what I'm going to do?

I'm going to put it next to the career GT. And every time you get in, you step over the career. I may have taken a picture of it. That was too cool. Which brings me to kind of a topic about car gifts, which I love, and thank you very much for this. Is that, like, what do you feel enthusiasts like to get when it comes to gifts? I feel that, like, anything that is custom with your car on it is very cool. Or, like, a sales brochure from the period with your car in it is really cool, which I have done both of those things for you.

I also have a kite that has the Kuntash on it from the A. If you can get someone a kite, if I had an E3995 kite, but not like something that, oh, I got a E395 printed on a kite. Like something that they, for some reason, were using as an advertising

from back in the day, that would be cool. Yes, that would, yeah, something that requires research from the period. Right. It was like weird. I think stuff like that is appealing.

Yeah, very appealing. Portia design watches. Well, even I draw the line somewhere. Nobody wants anything to show of that. Portion design, yeah, well, that makes them unusual. gifts but I think I'm happy to get any sort of automotive related gift car models I always like to do even really matter what they're great Christmas gift nice I tried to

give you that a class that would have been a curse $8,000 I mean there was like a money component here you had to pay me you don't understand I would give you the title and the keys in exchange for payment exchange for payment but I think that I think that stuff is cool you probably like tools I I'm very specific that's the thing There are certain gifts you give you. I'm very specific about it. Some people will get me cleaning stuff, but it's not the products I like. And then I'm like, well, thank you.

I'm not going to use it. I'll use it. I'll give it to, I'll leave it in the office for Doug to use. But, you know, it's like, that's the thing.

Some things I'm really specific about. But if someone puts any thought into like any gift at all, I'm very grateful. But car stuff-wise that there are specific towels I like and stuff like that. Like stocking stuffers for Christmas are perfect. Right. It's $70 each for a towel. You'll use twice.

I use them all. live doesn't give or receive gifts. No, and as he demonstrated by the towels you bought for this office, you don't know anything about tops. That was so embarrassing. We then bought additional ones that was overruled. What is our last picture here? There's something else.

Oh yes. When I was in Munich, I saw it at W-124 at E-Class Taxi. Do you have any thoughts on this? This car was not, this is a 194 was the last model year of this car. Yeah. That's just still around 30 years later. Suppressed is not some German stipulation that because it's over certain age is no longer You would think.

In New York there is. It's like seven years. It's not that long. Yeah. And here are these guys driving on a 30-year-old taxi. But keep in mind, the Germans are also like, if you maintain it, it lasts forever. It's also a passenger, yeah. Yeah.

So, like, if it's still patented, like, let the d-D. What would? I don't, okay. I hate being a passenger in cars. If I'm walking out to this, I assume that I will be in an accident in a taxi eventually. It just, like, will, like, will, like an Uber or a lift. It will happen. But this has made it 30 years without a...

So the driver is probably good. Yeah. That's a fair point. But, like, don't you want, I don't know, air conditioning that works? Oh, W-12. 34? It's a scout vehicle. I choose the car that looks even the best condition and generally newest. This I noticed as a historic plate too. That's so funny.

I just run a historic plate on a taxi. How many miles do you have by now? 17,000 billion? A lot of miles. I wrote in so many E classes in that's what they all are. That's what they all are. Including all this one. Uber blacks in Italy.

Yeah. Are you classes? Yeah. They're like E220Ds. Yeah. And those people drive them. I appreciate the dudes running a W124 taxi. also I would never get in it

I would get in it in a heartbeat so can it it'd be the thrill of our trip yeah rode in a W yeah I'd send pictures to people yeah and then when I get T-bone you'd die no you wouldn't die come on P this car was notoriously strong

like ox for the 80s yeah it was great for the 80s this car was made through 95 when do you think when do you think that car that little Toyota hatchback thing so by the same time you feel unsafe getting in my E-3-9 And that's a 22-year-old car.

And that's 10 years nearer than that. You drive around in that E-Class that came out in 2010. What's the difference between 2010 and 95? 2011 was a refresher 24. You're going to get a lot of crap for this on as you should. As you deserve it. Okay. Kenan, oh, I mean, Felipe.

Yes, that's my name. I want you to tell us about the Lordstown situation. Okay. Kenan, can you go to Carthinbit. A week or two ago, we hosted, sorry, that's helping was bothering. We hosted a Lordstown in Durr. So, Lordstown was an electric truck company.

Yeah. That went out of business. They went bankrupt. Now, intriguingly, they were both accused of defrauding. The CEO of Lord's time was accused of defrauding others. And then there was a situation with Foxconn, which built iPhones, defrauding them. It was like quite the comeuppance, if you will. Wow.

A lot of fun. Yeah, but so they, in theory, they were all crushed. We, okay, sorry, back up. Poor storytelling. We hosted this one. It existed somehow. We didn't know how, but like, it was, the guy had a, had legal claim to it, believed he could sell it.

We also should mention that it's a Chevy Silverado with a different front end and electric stuff. Yeah, I mean, fundamentally. I mean, they sold some number, including the governments. The, the, the D.C. government owned a few. Yeah, this is a D.C. government car, the little, the seller of this, the seller of this vehicle the owner of it was selling it through a dealer but like had bought it from the DC government yeah so we end up having to cancel this auction what happened learned part way through the auction as does the seller that so Lordstown went bankrupt yeah as part of

their bankruptcy filing they were they were given a court order that allowed them to repurchase all Lordstown and Durham's models because they had only been leased I don't know how they repurchase them but they succeeded at repurchasing all of them now somebody that owned it would not have been required to sell it back, but they said he didn't do that. And then they sent them all to be scrapped. And we received paperwork from the company that Lords Town restructured as saying, hey, look, this was supposed to be crushed. And we didn't want to put a buyer in a situation where, like, they bought it and then they were they were in like a legal issue, which I don't think would have been the case. But we just wanted to make sure that our buyers were safe.

And it was not the seller's fault. There was like just a lot of confusion and we wanted to avoid any potential issues. but getting that email from the company that now is Lordstown saying, hey, here's a court order. We're repurchase it. They're going to be crushed. I'm in Italy. He's like,

we've got to cancel the Lordstown. I'm like, what? It's the coolest thing we're going to this site. It's so insane. And people in the comments, nobody knows what this thing is. I mean, I saw maybe one the whole time they were selling.

I'm from Ohio, so I know what it was. So it was kind of a big deal. But this grace of Ohio. And then we had, and it got up to like 20 grand. The bidding did, which is insane because it was being sold on bill of sale.

Yep. Yeah. And at time to go. It was going to sell for more. We had made it clear from the beginning that it could not be titled. Yeah. And it could not be driven on public roads. Because even on a bill's sale, if the vehicle's not registered, you should expect that. We know what we should have done.

We should have bought it and then just done crazy stuff with it here at the office. Because it is not a public road. That's true. That could have worked. Well, I would have driven on a public road. And I wouldn't assume whoever this new company is. I would have crashed into all sorts of stuff. The new company is concerned.

The biggest concern was the reason they had bought all the vehicles back, that they really wanted to avoid the liability should something. something happened while somebody was driving a Lord Town. But I don't understand. What liability do they have? It's a Chevy Silverado with a front end that looks like it was designed by someone who can't see. Let me put it.

As far as I'm concerned, it probably is just like normal. I think they don't have that much confidence in the safety of their vehicle. Of the previous company's vehicle. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they just wanted to be, they just wanted to wash their hands and be done. It's what happens.

I mean, it's the same reason like prototypes, et cetera, generally aren't sold, right? The company doesn't want any liability. Should something happen? and they just want to avoid all out. This is almost, it's not quite for the same reason, but wasn't it the, was it the Chevy EV-1 in the 1990s, their electric vehicle they did?

The GM EV-1. Were they at least at all, and then in protest to California's zero emissions laws? Well, no, they brought them back for the same reason that these guys brought theirs back. They didn't want them to be out there. They took them all back.

They gave a few to universities that still have them. As like, you can look at this and, like, show students. And the thing was, no student wants to see the damn thing. It was an electric,

car that did 46 miles of range. Meanwhile, now, Rivian has a thousand horsepower and does it. Four hundred twenty miles. There's no, there's no studying that car. But that was a big deal because the EV one was like the first EV-V and everybody was so sad that they crushed them all.

Meanwhile, all these got crushed. Not a peep. Nobody said a thing. I mean, like, look at it. Which angle is ugliest? And I can't decide it. Like, legitimately like... This is the ugliest angle.

Have you seen the back? The front on. What is that? Looks like the back on. Also, great panel gap. They did a great job with that. look at the back though. No, it's just a Silverado.

I think the back is okay. It's not good. But regardless. It's definitely the front. If that comes up behind you, it looks like it. I want to be clear, by the way, we're really giving this vehicle a lot of crap. I was,

I loved this auction. Oh, so cool. I was all over this auction. I also had several friends text me. You know who texted me, Robert Dunn? He was like, I really want that thing. He's like, but I can't title it. Like, I'm not going to spend all this money for a car.

I can't tie. It's incredibly cool. It's really kind of a shame that they bought them all back, right? Like, this is. It is kind of shame. Indeed. More just appointed for the people in Lordstown who didn't have jobs to build these things. But after the Chevy Cruz disappeared.

They were lucky that they even had a shadow of a job with a company with an idea. It was such a big, because when I would drive to Pittsburgh from Cleveland, I would pass Lordstown. And you'd see, I saw the Chevy Cruise plant there forever. And then that disappeared and it was very sad. All the parking that was empty. And then they had the Lord's town this like, like as a huge thing that were coming back to Lord's Town. You know what I didn't see any of in Europe? Opal Ampera.

Really? Okay. What is our next topic? It's a ridiculous one that Kevin has. The Chevy Volt, but in the European markets. To be fair, when the last time we saw Bolt? A Volt. A Volt.

Excuse me. I see Volt. I saw it. The Lord Town Endurance. What a shame. What a shame. Great story, though. And sad we had to cancel it.

And that's the story if anybody wanted to know. We had to cancel it. Just make sure that buyers aren't put them. It was the right decision from a legal perspective. But it's very sad to lose out on one of the premier ugly vehicles that Ohio provided us. And somebody was clearly going to pay collector car money, right? It was at 20 grand. Well, it's the only one.

Hours to go. They were the only one that wasn't crushed. There is a rumor floating around that somebody has taken the chassis, like, remove the body, and then put like a camper-ish shell on it. So I used the battery and like the electric skateboard and with a rebodied like camper, situation. So someone took a Chevy Silvarado frame and bade a camper out of it. But added battery than the profit.

Me and you could knock that out of long weekend with a couple of cold ones. All right, Kenan, what is your amazing thing to tell us? So, I was listening to our friend Matt Ferris, a smoking tire podcast, and he was talking about an engine that I did not realize.

Now, you're familiar with the Jaguar F type and that it had two engines. It had a V8. Yeah, they had a V8. And There are cars in the world that have that. But it had a V8 and a V6. It was also a four-cell. Now.

I'm not going to tell him about that. That's below his line. That's below my line anyway. The current gen have the fours-thal-old. The current gen doesn't exist. But I learned... It doesn't exist. I learned this.

The V-6 is the V-8 with a cylinder blank. So they just took... They just took the V8 and were so lazy about their engineering. and cost cutting, I guess, that they just, like, filled it in with metal. They're like, that'll do it. The guy who is building my new garage has a base model tundra, and the fog lights are plastic blanks, but behind them, the wiring completely exists for fog lights.

And I've heard of that before. I've never heard of this. I also never heard this. Plus, like, V6 and V8's the angle of the engine, like, matters. Between cars, they change it. Yeah. 90 degrees is usually right for V8. It is not right for V6, but they were just like,

Not a problem. Hey, it works, right? Fill it with metal. What was it this place? Yeah, it must be exactly 25% less. You know what's interesting, Kenan, we've always, in the carbiz, we've always thought to ourselves, like, these manufacturers make so much money on these higher trim, on the higher engine models. Like, Lexus, IS 250 versus IS 350. It doesn't cost Lexus more to make the IS 350.

They just, right? The V6, it's a little bigger, but here, I mean, this is a great example of that. Like, they just, they just, it was just margin. It was purely just margin The V8, right? I mean, there's a little bit of work that went into this, but barely. But hard, I mean, yeah. I've just, I've never seen anything like this.

I had no idea, never realized and like, man, these, that's just, that's just lazy. It's pretty ingenious, actually. And you've got to assume that there's other ones out there. Even like this, like, because like the crank shaft design is also like kind of, like, you can see the other two pistons went. Yep, absolutely. I had no idea.

Never in a million years would have thought. There must be other ones like this. They're not the first people to come up with this idea. No, but it's... Yeah, they got it from somebody. But I wonder what other engines out there are like this? So if you know, let us know it's not curious. The funny thing is, wasn't this V6 also in a lot of Land-Row...

Wasn't it a lot of products? Can you look at one on Cardin Beds? I don't remember. Is it a 3-liter? It was a 3-liter. But the Land-Rovers have all used a straight-6 for a while. I mean, the answer is, I don't know, but... You mean looking at a landervers? No, look at an F-type.

I'm sure we've done a V-6 one at some point. I'm sure we have. Maybe not. We do a lot of V-8s, though. It's for good reason. It's a blown V-6. Oh, so it's a blown V-6. The Land-Refers were using this engine,

so they did the same thing in those. This is a great way to make money. Unfortunately, despite the fact that this is what they did, Jaguar has still managed to get themselves into a situation where the only car they sell is the E-Pace. Five. incredibly not electric okay that is a crazy thing and i appreciate you bringing it into our lives anytime may know

there's still a lot more to cover on this podcast but we are getting further along in time let's cover market report but very quickly i only want to talk one market which is the honda hrv bring it right hrv all right for folks in in the u.s there have been two generations of the hrv the one that's out right now and the one before it yep other places there was a first generation hrv the original Honda HRV. It's not good, but it's so cool. Yes. And it was so weird. And it was really ahead of its time. Yeah. Because the CRV had just come out and this came out. It does have the same four-wheel drive system. There was no Toyota equivalent. Like there was nobody was in the subcompact SUV segment at that time. In Italy at the time, you saw some, but it was the only big-ish SUV. Like truly, it was kind of unique in that. It was. They just sold a two-door and a four-door. We feel that the two-door is cooler because it was... We feel that the two-door is cooler because it was worse.

And this was the launch color that was in all the pictures, and no one got it because it was ugly. And so this is the worst, ugliest version, and therefore it is the best version. And it's the only version I would buy. Go to the top-down view. Kenyon. Okay, that's fine. It's fine.

Look at that spoiler. Look at that spoiler. That thing was ready. That thing was ready. It's 1.6 liter in line. You take this around. Estoril. 105, 45, 40, 1002 or 103.

It is. It's 100, yeah. I was like, could this be nice to drive? But, but 5.mian, manual, 4-wheel drive? I know. 5-speed and 4 drive, and it's short. Like, it makes some sense. Look at these sports seats.

Yeah, yellow and blue. What a good color combo that is. Doug and I have it. It looks like Phoenix yellow in person. I've seen a few. It's really quite a color. Yep, you're in yellow. Doug and I have considered purchasing it.

I want you to get it. I have bid. and I will continue to It's just so cool You know what's interesting about this to me I'm not behind it right now unfortunately You know what's interesting about this to me Beyond just there you are

Philippa By the way I'm quite public with my bidding I've bid on something You know what's interesting to me about this Not beyond just the HR Venus of it I was in Europe and I was thinking to myself There is an enormous amount of people Bringing over all manner of cars from Japan

But not many people are doing it from Europe Which is a shame because all the Japanese cars Are right-hand drive Where was this car And this is But this is, but There's so many cool and weird cars in Europe that could be brought over at their left-hand drive. Belgium.

And this is that. And I'm thrilled someone did it. And I wish there was more. I wish the balance of imported cars was 80% Europe and 20% Japan, but it's actually like 90% Japan, 10% Europe. It's a shame. I actually like all the cars coming out of Japan. But for example, I love the Mitsubishi Evo. Do you know they sold left-hand drive ones in Europe?

They're all over mobile.de. And I'm like, why are people bringing right-hand drive ones? Go to Europe and find me a left-hand drive one. clear reason. Because it's easier to get cars out of Japan? Condition. Condition is a big one. The cars are in nicer shape in Japan. Europe cars are a good point. They keep nicer people in Europe. But you'd think it'd be easier. Like buy a car from Europe where the language, the documents are probably... Did I? Twice. I have done that?

You bought an artist to the... It was in Canada. But the person before, and then you bought an A class. That was in Europe. That was in Europe. Yeah, that's true. I was in Belgium. And it was... I love... I wish more people did it. I legitimately... I don't know how I would use as a... I have no purpose for the naturev. If you get it, I'll give you $50. I'll pay for your shipping to bring it here from whatever

Northeast state it's in. New Hampshire. Open. Open. Open trailer for sure. You might get rain on it? No, no. I'll pay your shipping. I'll pay $1,800. Are you into it now? Throw another $1,800. If you were willing to bid $2,800, you figured are you going to bid right now on the podcast? Yeah. You get a bid on the podcast. Throw it a bid. 100%. Oh my God. $3,500. $3,000. Let's see what. what happens. What was my last bit?

Your last bit was 2,600. It's now at 2,900. So you should be willing to bid, you should be probably plus 15, yeah, 1800. I don't know what shipping costs, but I assume it's about from 1,500 open a ship, I don't know what it cost, $1,500. You should bid $4,100. He's going to do it!

Yes! 4,100. He's going to duke the, our technique of bid a huge amount install the option. $4,100 would probably do it. He's been to win right now. It's no reserve, so. Yeah. Notify me of HRVs.

Let's hope that there's never another one. I hope there is. Sorry, what is my bid? 4100. Throw it in. We got our first live bid here on the way. Yeah, it is! Philippo's bid on the car.

I hope you win this. And I hope you go all the way, which I think for this car is eight. You went from 241. Okay, I want to take questions because we haven't taken questions at a few weeks since I've been gone. And so Q&A is very important to me. Wait, we talk about one car legitimately. What? All right.

Can you go to Supra? We just had this incredible Mark four super. I believe it's right here. Beautiful. That it just... Absolutely beautiful. It has under 10,000 miles unmodified twin turbo manual. It's the one.

Unmodified... The difference, though, is... So everybody prefers the coop roof to the sport roof. However, I prefer the sport roof, and you want to know why? Because in the movie, you go like this and off the roof goes. Exactly right. Because in the movie, they push it off and then they steal that truck or whatever. It's also quite a bit more rare than the coop, correct?

No, the coop is the rare one. Okay. But the sport roof is special. But it's, yeah, this is an excellent one. Already at $150,000. Four days left at this stage when we're filming it. I'd pay $150 for this in a heartbeat. It's definitely worth more than that.

25K already. It's so cool. I love the mark. No, I want an N-A auto. But what I want to have with my N-A-A-auto, I want the turbo wheels and the turbo wing, because I want people to wonder. A baseball hat.

The baseball hat on the Shiff lever. And I can't, like, race anybody. No, exactly. The guy gets up next to me in Revs. I had a guy, I was driving a G-GTS, guy to Civic type R. Hey man, I got 500 at the wheels. You want to go? No. If I was in the Super though, I'd have to be like

Nah. You don't want to know. I've been dusting NSXs in this. Sorry. Sorry. But really, I would probably not beat up standard base civic. I'm excited to see where this ends up. I mean, this is a if you want an incredibly low, like there's no

market here. This is just. Yeah, they very rarely come up like this. Unmodified stick with 10,000 miles. A very, very special car. I do kind of think that values will just increase. Oh, wow. Even though he said the other day, he doesn't think they should. I think the Mark 4 is so cool. Oh, I mean, would I personally spend that much money?

No, he spent $4,100 on a Honda crossover from the 90s. Trudeau, by the way. Very well might. All right, onto the Q&A, leave the Super up for a little while. Let's look at it. Let's just look at it. I just want to see it. Yeah.

Yummy. On to the Q&A. Yes. Yes. No. Yes. God, it looks like a Ferrari too. 50. What?

Ponder that. All right. On to the Q&A. This is from Jay Grosett. This is the number one question. By the way, if you want to submit a question, you go into our communities tab. We will have a post there where you can submit your questions and we will answer the top rated ones. So even if the top rated question is, Kenan, where is Emily and when are you bringing her on the pod? We'll answer that. In fact, there is an Emily related question coming up today. So, a question from Jay Grosett. This is a question for Doug. This may have been asked or covered before, but I apologize if it has, but have you ever been pulled over while filming a car review?

I get asked this question all the time, actually. It is like one of the top questions I get asked, and the answer is no. Next question, never even been close. Next question from Ted G. 04. There's a great moment that I don't know why I remember in your Bugatti Shurone video. Yeah. Where you pass the police officer. So the Shiron, when I did the Shireone review, we did it in Toronto.

And in Toronto, it's like in Switzerland, if you go three kilometers an hour over the speed limit, they arrest you and they put you in a tiny box. Very similar to Switzerland. And they take your car and they sell it to people in other places. And I'm serious. And so speeding in Toronto, you can't do that in Ontario at all. You get like, you get placed in a tiny box. We don't want that. No.

And so you pass. It's terrified. But I wanted to experience. the Chiron. So it was kind of a tough, what do you do? Well, luckily you can experience it at legal speeds. And that's what I did. Yes. To the Ontario Provincial Police.

Okay. Statue of limitations is long past. That's true. It was six years ago, and I drove that car like 150 miles an hour. All right. Next question from Ted G. Zero4. Doug, what car did you see in Europe that you would import today if it were legal slash easy? I want to discuss this because we need to talk about that E-61. For a period of time, BMW made an M5 with a V10. It was called the E60. And this time when I was in Europe, I saw a station wagon, E61 M5.

Which they only made in Europe, and they offered it with the SMG gearbox only, because North American M5s were the ones. We're only ones with six. So it looks cool. It's like blue wagon. And that's the answer. Now, the new M3 wagon is also up there, but that's the one. And I'm kind of waiting for it. Yeah.

I got five more years. Kenan has this buddy named Ryan who runs this BMW shop that does incredibly high-quality work, and he's converting them. Yeah, despite being called E-39 source, he does a lot of E-60 mango and E-63 and 64. They need some help. He's converting E-60 tips to stick, and so I want to bring in this E-61 someday and have him do a conversion. Is it not easier to take an E-60 and put the E-61 body? Do you want to, or should I?

I know I've got the energy for this okay no the E60 I've got a lot of really special touches so you're not just doing the drive train it's like there's a lot to it that it'd have to be swapped it over it's an enormous amount of work it's much easier to just do the transmission dude you'd have to take a 535 i wagon correct and the body was there was all sorts of body stuff

well you can buy any yeah no no it's a you're great that's what I'll do I'll get an E61 535 I I'll replace the entire body, the entire interior, and the entire engine. But you could do that today. Drive line, whole thing. And at the end of it, take all that from the... At the end of it, I will have spent $150,000 to create a car that already exists and cost $38,000 in Europe, that I could just wait five...

It wouldn't be today. It would take Ryan 18 months. It would take Ryan's the exact same amount of time broadly. What if I'd be illegal? With it that many differences? There's a lot of differences. They don't even look similar. Yeah.

I'm sorry. To people like us. To someone like you, you would look at it and be like, This might be a Mercedes. Heck, I don't know. Was this a Lincoln? Man, an E61 M5 would be so cool. In blue, the right color combo.

Yeah, man, that'd be nice. Rowing your own, too. It would be legit. That's the car. I wouldn't want to do it if I had to have an SMG. No, of course not. Nobody wants that SMG. It doesn't exist, but Ryan will make it.

Right. Bad, yeah, that's those shift times of SMG. Next question, and that's the answer to my question. Next question from JST3038. This is a great question, and I'm going to defer this one to Filippo, or maybe Canon. What leads you to decline a vehicle submission at cars and bids? Do you have any good examples? Oh, there's a whole lot of parameters.

Some people submit pre-1981 cars, and we're obviously focused just on 1980. We're not only cars. We get submitted motorcycles, we get submitted parts. There are two biggest reasons, though. One is condition. Some cars are just in really poor condition. There's a lot of visible rusts. If there's horrible paint, if there's literally dented pants,

and we get some damaged cars. Yeah. That's probably a no. And then just some cars aren't interesting enough. Yeah. Like we got a lot of Nissan rogues. I don't know why it's rogues, but there's like a lot of rogues specifically.

People submit regular cars to us. Those are always cut. Those are generally the parameters. Yeah, condition and... We've generally learned that some really cheap cars just don't perform as well and then can create some more problems. Yeah, that's another thing. If a car is really cheap.

So one of the things that we learned early on, I wanted to run the gamut and sell... I wanted to run the gamut and sell... everything from Diablo's, which we sold them last week. Wifler, 600. Yeah, that. That was like really early on. It was like a Dodge 600, I think. Or just go to Pat's auctions and store by price.

You'll see it. Yeah. That's right. So early on, I was, I told, and I told this to, I told this to Felipe and everybody when we started this thing. I was like, I want to run everything. Dodge 600. What a car. I was like, I want to run every car. I want to run every car from $2,000 cool cars to $500,000 cool car.

Like, I want it all. And what we learned was Cars at this $1,800 price point, it's like babysitting Craigslist buyers and sellers. Like they're just flaky and disastrous. This car was actually a success story. The lady was selling this for the grandfather, and the person that bought it was like

they became friends. It was quite sweet. But the point is, we haven't had that happen on a lot of really cheap cars. What often happens, because we charge a buyer's fee and a lot of the really cheap cars, the minimum buyer fee is $2.25. So sometimes people have been on a car and then be like, eh, I don't really want it. and just bail. And if they're only out $225, it's not that big of a deal for them. And so really, really, really cheap cars we had to kind of, we had to get people to get some skin in the game. Also, often those cars are just in poor condition.

They're in poor condition. They have high mileage. And then they create issues for us. And then we're spending all this time at the end of the auction trying to mediate this dispute between buyer and seller. And it's like for a car that made us $200 bucks and is kind of not that nice anyway. Of course, go back. Sometimes we'll still do it, right? Like we ran a car from the Peterson Museum. That was an $700 car. Because, like, some cars are just that cool, but it's somewhat rare. And, like, you can find a $2,000 Sa-900 S.

S.E. Turbo kind of anywhere. You're not coming to out to find that. It's not that special. Yeah, not special enough. Now, one of my favorite things about this topic is that we have, we're on, you know, our Google, if Google Cars and Bids, or we have a rating of something. Pretty high. And it's high.

It's like 4.7 or so, I don't know. Oh, ooh. But our only negative reviews, we got 2,000 reviews. I don't know, 500 reviews, whatever it is. Our only negative reviews. have come from people whose cars we've rejected. And these are people who have never interacted with the site. Like, they didn't buy anything, they didn't sell anything,

they didn't get a bad product, they didn't have a bad experience. They just, we just told them their cars I'm gonna, and this upsets people so much. And it's like, what do you mean? You can't sell my, my 1999 Mercedes ML 320 with 300,000 miles and surface rust. I'm gonna write you a bad review. That's exactly what happened. It's like the equivalent of driving by a restaurant and saying,

I don't like that. I don't like that. That place is the same thing. That place is dumb looking. Yeah. And I find that to be absolutely hilarious. Like, if people wrote us bad reviews because, like, they had a bad experience, that's a thing. But they write as bad reviews because their ego is hurt that we won't accept their, you know, Honda passport.

Their new body. I would consider accepting a first-gen. Oh, yeah. No, not even consider. You would have to. Depends on the miles. Well, okay. Usually it's condition or just, just not a fit.

And unfortunately, although we accept the Nissan Rogue as a vehicle, it's not a car that we want on the site. We accepted that it exists. It exists. I'm not going to argue. Next question from Ind Can. Hey Doug, in light of the success of the McLaren F1 review,

are there any other cars in Jay Leno's collection that you'd like to review? And if so, which ones? And do you consider reaching out to Jay to review any of them? What do you think? What else is in Jay's collection?

It's different because when I think of Jay Leno's collection, most of what I think of is his pre-war stuff, like his steam-powered cars, which are very cool. His newer stuff, He's got a lot of newer stuff, but I've reviewed CareerGT.

I've reviewed 4G. I'm trying to think of the newer stuff he has. He's got Murat. He's got Kuntosh. He's got a Spada. He's got... A spotta. You've done a spotta.

He's got 4GT. He's got McLaren P1, done it. SLR, done it. Like, most of the newer stuff I've done, and then the older stuff, I just have never really been able to get a ton of views doing it. That's true. So there's not a huge amount of stuff that I would think about. I mean, Jay has some just straight up weird.

cars that I think would be interesting like really old but weird stuff that maybe would be good for a video or two. I would love to do 50s cars but they don't really seem to do well. Yeah, I agree. Next question from Verity. What are the most impressive car-related

or non-car-related feats that Doug and Kenan could pull off in an afternoon with a pack of cold ones? Dude, we could replace a roof. You want to do mine? I'm getting my roof place next week you want you want to do it for me and said will you supply the cold ones yes i'll even supply the the the the torchdown material fire roof the worst

the attrition um what could what else you think we could do that's could we could i mean we could we could do an ls swap no problem yeah we're mostly what do you mean what i would do and you would be like you'd be on your phones going through so oh i can't believe this can you the other day doug doug switched out you'd hold the light on his cars and i got a text at one point that was the new license played on his sequoia and about 45 minutes later, I got a text of the license plate on the 4GT. And I'm pretty confident he spent those 45 minutes unscrowing and screwing

in a license. Replacing the license bed on the 4GT is a feat that even he couldn't accomplish. Doug. I mean, I was sweating the Land Rover. What do you mean? It's a long story. I'm never doing it again. I did it on the Land River. I think that that sets up.

We could do, well, I wish we had filmed that. We did it on the Land River together. He didn't know that righty-tidy Titans and let you loosey-loos. problem. And it was also very rusty. It was really rusty. And that was Kennan's fault. So can I give an extra of what you could accomplish in an afternoon? A lot of stuff. Are you kidding? You could hang out

on a patio like the best of them. No, dude. Me and you, hail, dude, transmission swam down the flat. I think we could do... Like a little, like toy car? Yes, maybe. I think we could do an LS swap. I think we could do we could easily put a new roof on Felipe's house. Yeah, no problem. The roofers sale will take a week.

Just a weekend with a couple of colds. You know what we could do? We could fill a swimming pool. Just turn on the cold. So there in the cold one and wait. Hey, it's important you don't want to overflow. Right. The more cold ones you have, the harder that.

It's the judge. Last question comes from M. Deletore. Question for all. What is one car you feel would be cool to have a performance version of that there was wasn't a performance version of. He suggested the Jeep Renegade, which is actually probably the last answer that I would have given. I can see it. I don't want it, but I can see it.

And I put this question in, and I told myself, I have to come up with some ideas here, but I forgot about Dan. I didn't. But there are a lot of answers that I think would be good. Okay, I can't explain why, but my head went two vehicles that are very similar. Okay. There's an explorer sport track over there. which is a pickup version of the Forticleer. You're going to say the avalanche, the Ridgeline?

We were also earlier talking about Cadillac, and my first thought went to the EXT. XTV. And I think an escalate EXTV would be weirdly cool. I do think that a lot of the cars that I've thought this about over time, they have made performance version of it. I don't think there's going to be an EXTV. I never understood why they didn't do a Mercedes GLK AMG,

and then they did. GLK. Now they call, no, no, no, the GLK, the original small crossover. It was called the GLK. Now it's called the GLC, and they do do an AMG version. I was also always surprised they didn't do an escalade V, and now they do. Kenone you got any? Yes, they've never done an M7.

They do M760, but no real M7. That's a great example. Because, I mean, the M5 is kind of that already, if we're honest, but they never have done an M7 series. No, that's it. And they should, Mercedes proved there's a market with the S class, so. I know, and BMW's like, oh, this is the the hill we're going to die on. This is the gate we're going to safeguard.

The M Division doesn't do the 7 series. Meanwhile, they make a front-wheel drive minivan, and it's all over the limel book. Can I say my favorite car in the genre? The Fiat Panda 100. Okay. Anyway, moving to the M-7. You want an A-Barth version of that?

The X-7 is... The X-7 is another good example of their, They refuse to let M touch this. I don't think that's the answer to this question, but they refuse to let M touch the X7. And it's like, dude, yeah, but like, give me a break. You put the M badge on floor mats in a front wheel drive one series. Right.

That's a good one. I think the M7 is the answer to this. I'm trying to think if there's anything else that would be good. Oh, you know what car I love? Since we're on a podcast and we're way over time, can you, can you, it's been a while. Can you pull up the Audi A1-Quatro? Oh, interesting.

Do you know about this car? Sure, but where are you going with this? Oh, I know where you're going with this. This, I want one of these. Yeah, this is such a cool. They only made like 300, and they have like 6 million horsepower, and they all had white wheels. The A1 generally existed, but it was a front wheel drive. Yeah, it was trash.

It was just a little car you drove around. Man, those turbo fan wheels. It did look good, but it was a car you drove around, you know, Italy. Yeah. That is so cool. I mean, I saw a bunch from it in Italy. But this, I'm not exaggerating that it had 3 million horsepower. It had...

Slight rounding error, maybe. No, but it's slight. It's slight. It was 2 million. No, it had 260 horsepower, this car. And a car that's small. And I'm telling you, this is the size of, like, Felipeo. Literally. And it was four-wheel drive.

And they made seven of them. Oh, and they were all sticks. They were all sticks. I'm surprised you're head once of this and not the Nissan Juke. How long do I have to wait? I wanted Juke R. How long do I have to wait to import this? It came out in, what, 2014?

not. You got a few years. 15 more. What does it cost? Ken? I have no idea with a second-air market. He didn't even know. He didn't even know this car existed until four minutes ago. I want one of these. They made 33 of them. They have 260 horsepower and they were all sticks.

And they all had white wheels. You'd be able to add the lowest power car to your collection. You'd really bring down the average. Yeah, but it's probably faster than the Kuntash and the Sequoia. Did they? slower than R1S? Do you know that how much? EV has twice the power of this equate.

You're not talking to the microphone at all. More efficient. How many of them did they make? 33. This is a legitimately special car. Could you submit this car as a show or display vehicle? You know what? You should. Isn't there like a pre-made? No, no. They make the list based on what people submit.

And then they research it. Some bureaucratic in DC researches it. But look at it. How about talking to the microphone now? Okay, we're long done. The Audi A1-Krotro is very cool. From now on, the Audi A1 Quatro is going to be the sponsor of the podcast. Goodbye, everyone.