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Episode Date: December 6, 2024

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And welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenna. I'm Felipe. And let's just get into it because there's a lot to talk about. Starting with JAG. Yes. So in our last podcast, we talked about the new Jaguar that hadn't come out yet. They've revealed the concept.

And here it is the type 0-0 finished in Miami pink, London blue. And they do a third version in Parisian gold. That blew of the least London-y blue of it. Yeah. Also, yeah, I would say London. Gray is the color that comes to my way. I think of London. What do we think?

you think? I kind of like it, to be honest with you. I don't hate it, but I don't love it. And it's also a concept and it won't look like this when it goes in the production. So who cares? This is meaningless. I think it's cool as hell. However, the thing I've learned about concept cars is when they debut, they look like that.

And when they go into production, they look like the Accura TLX. This is less like a concept card, more like a design study. Yeah. And it looks cool. If this came out, it would be so cool. But these are 78 inch wheels. They'll never see production. They're too big.

Automakers won't do wheels on tires like that. No mirrors. I mean, that I don't know about tail lights. That can be DOT legal. Yeah. I don't see reflectors. I just,

it would be cool as hell if they actually had the gravitas to make this car. And they're going to make a version of it and it's going to be so watered down that we're not even going to remember this concept. It also, what's fascinating to me and Harry Maccaft did a great video talking about this. But like,

it's an EV, right? So there's no engine up here. So massive hood. Well, but that's a trunk. But that's cool. But that's what a cool car looks like. A big,

like those. old V-16 Cadillacs, you know? Are they going all EV? Was that announced? Oh, yeah. It was assumed, but like, is this something they've said? Well, I think they said it, but a lot of automakers have walked that back, so I don't know how Jaguar is feeling about it right now.

This would be cool the V-18. Yeah, it would. They said copy nothing. Wasn't that their big thing that was all original? It looks a little like a Rolls-Royce rate. Yeah, me. Sure does. I'm from that side profile.

I'll take it. But it's like a wide-body rate. This is a cool-looking car. If this came out and existed, it would be cool. be cool. It will not come out and exist. When it comes out, it's going to have 14-inch wheels, hubcaps, and you know, it'll have some sort of

British market tax credit stuff on it. Aren't these kind of like RS6-Ovanti? I mean, the things that are interesting to me, like, I really wish they made more use of the cat. The cat is one of the cool logos. Doesn't that panel open? I've seen other photos of that panel open.

I think so. Not totally sure. The point is, none of it matters. It's a concept car and it's never going to see the light of day. However, it is cool. Jag is back. Now, I want to say one other thing about Jack. I had that take about the JAG ad. And I was surprised, even Instagram commentress,

kind of the lowest level of commenter, even they agreed with me mostly. They were like, you know what, he's right. Like, they haven't done anything in years. So let's hear, let's, let this is something. But a lot of them were still like, when you go woke, you go broke. My rebuttal to that is they broke.

They're already broke. You know, that was a thing. It came from that Bud Light thing where they did the transgender ad and then Bud Light lost all that money. And they went woke and they went broke. Jaguar is as broke as it gets. Like there's people were like, Jaguar's going to learn. When you go woke,

you go broke. Like they already learn. They're broke already. This is it. This is just a weak attempt to do something completely different. I think just the question becomes like when you're hard pivoting a brand, this hard pivot, which is there at all. I do see four rings and the girl that seem out.

Audi-esque to me for some reason. Well, a huge girl also. Yeah. But I, you're not actually, like, you're launching a new brand fundamentally. Yeah. Why? Because the old one was tired. The old one was tired.

Just give up. No, go sleep. No. That's the thing about JAG. They don't give up. They don't. It's not JAG anymore. It's just, it's not the British way.

They'll fight them on the beach. They don't give up. Okay. They don't give up. The point is, I think we all agree. It's a cool car. It's never going to see production. I'm more interested in what they actually are able to do, not what they say.

So far we've been getting a lot of talk from Jaguar, and I respect Harry greatly. But let's get some reality from Jaguar. Let's find out what the Tata group will accomplish. Remember the Ford GT90? Remember the Cadillac CN, our favorite topic on this podcast? Love the C&.N. Meanwhile, they came out with the Katera. True.

But if this is the direction they go in styling wise, I would be happy with it. I would love it if they would do something racing with it would be very cool. Imagine that is a race car. That would be too connected to their heritage. Yeah. Right. But racing is always cool. So I don't know.

But nonetheless, it's here. That's what it looks like. Those are the colors. Speaking of cars that are not doing well, our next news story, actually the whole news segment. The whole car market. Nissan. This is a great image of Nissan's lineup in some market. The Leaf, the Juke, the Koshkai, the Aria, and the town star, which I had never heard

up until this moment. I don't know, but the picture looks like it was taken here in Southern California. Nissan announced, actually Nissan didn't announce, but some Nissan executive in Japan announced that they're a year away from running out of money. I'm astonished it's a year. 12 to 14 months. They've been losing money by... But they sell cars.

Like, it's hard or fully run out of money. You can't, it doesn't count. Selling cars profitlessly to rental car fleets does not count. It doesn't. Those are sales to keep the factories going. They haven't developed a new, the RIA came out a couple years ago and there's a new Murano coming out. And a new Armada.

Great. They haven't like been investing that much money. How can they be losing that? I am surprised. That's a good point. I am surprised by that. The investment has been minimal. The cars are not good and haven't been for years.

They're okay. The new Pathfinder is fine. The problem is they just... The new QX80 infinity thing in Armada, fine. They have just sullied their reputation so greatly for so many years, building so much trash cars going after the lowest common denominator of buyer. And Kel Suprise, to quote Kennan, that's not a strategy that works. The thing is, like, it's really easy to see how Jagg runs out of money.

You don't see a Jaggerap. Yeah. You see Nissan's everywhere. You see a rogue every three minutes. But it's all low end. And the Kaskai is very popular in Europe, as is a juke, which doesn't exist here anymore. Like, they do well. So it's really a testament to their mismanagement that they're running out of money because they sell cars.

They have these giant stakes and other, the Mitsubishi. Yeah. But to be honest, though, and they're heavily dependent on the U.S. market and the Japanese market to like bring them. Yep. But Toyota and Honda aren't in this position. They went after quality. Nissan went after like short-term sales numbers and gains, and I just find Nissan, every time I think about Nissan, I find it to be such like a, such a depressing company in the depressing scene. When their CEO left the country in the trombone case?

No, I think, but I think things started to go downhill when they arrested him. Wasn't a good moment for the company. Which may not have been politically motivated. He asserts that it was, regardless, it was a company in turmoil. Yeah. There's no question. And when I was a kid, Nissan was such an innovator. I remember in 2003, Nissan was on top of their game.

The infinity lineup was in fantastic shape. They had just come out with that Ultima. That Alta, everybody bought. That Maxima and the Quest was weird. But it was like, Nissan was the talk of everybody at the time. And the Titan was just coming out, which had all this promise. It has been canceled. I assume along with the big van.

The NV 200. No, the NV-2,500 and 3,500. Right. It's just a company that has just never, it hasn't innovated in years. The cars are not particularly exciting. They sell only to people who don't have the credit or the ability to afford. Ford better cars. It's the Florida of car companies.

I will say this is all very rumor driven, but it felt like pretty strategic leaks. There were like two leaks, but it felt kind of deliberate. It wasn't a leak. The guy openly said, we're running out of cash. This is at a press conference in Asia, talking about factory lines, and that they have too many of them, which is probably true. I don't know. I just, it isn't all that surprising to me. You wonder if the auto industry starts to pare down some of the

some of the dinosaurs and starts to add some like ShaoMe starts to add some of the newbies who are like ready to do the innovative thing Tesla shows up they kill it because they have this innovative product and the old guys who are not cool we're starting to see some decline. It also hasn't impacted the US as much but there's been a lot of consolidation

PSA group so Peugeotototroen and some of the yes I don't know whatever the other are all this are all part now of FCA or Salantis rather obviously there's no more Dodge really except for the charger. There's really no Chrysler products.

Opal is part of Solances as well, but not Vox Hall. There was some weird split that happened. Regardless, like, there's been a lot of consolidation. It would not be a huge surprise if Nissan takes investment from another OEM, which was a talk to talk that they were trying to get Honda to invest, and there's some further consolidation. It's kind of inevitable. Yeah, I guess so.

It's an interesting thing that's kind of happening. And I do find it, I will say, I do find it a little bit disheartening, that Nissan kind of comes out and it's like, we can't believe we're in this position. And I'm sitting here like, I can believe it. I had ideas for you 15 years ago. I can believe it's not butter. I mean, they went hard on sedans when no one was doing sedans.

They went hard on cheap cars at low quality. They really did not build out a good SUV product in the States. You're right, the rogue sells, but at a low price point. Pathfinders don't sell. That name was sully. And that's the hottest market. That's the hottest market. It's their only entrant into that market, whereas Toyota has 37.

Right. It's a disappointing situation. It's a disappointing brand. I'm not surprised to see them in this situation. No. And I can't believe they're still trying to make infinity. I know. Why invest money in that? Right. Just be done. Call it a day. Go back to what Mazda does, which is not much.

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Speaking of the death of the car industry, we have another. And speaking of somebody. that was formerly at Nissan. Carlos Tavares. Tell us the story. He has resigned, effective immediately earlier this week, from being the CEO of Stalantis.

Stalantis, which is another declining. How many Stalantus brands can you name, Kenon? Well, let's see. So it's Jeep, Fiat. I'm going off of memory here, so we'll see.

I mean, I really don't know. Basically, as Dodge, Ram. Well done separating RAM, correct? Yes. Chrysler does still exist, for the record. Do they still do they still? I assume they were dead. But then don't forget about Peugeot, Opal.

Oh, okay. Ophermaio launch at that point. Ferrari. Ferrari spun off. Yeah, spot off. Missouri did not. Yeah. A lot of your favorite...

Last time I got in a... Last time I got in an SF 90 and saw the same info payment screen from a Jeep ringlet. No, I'm kidding. That's not true. Back of the same buttons. There was a time, though. There was a time.

He was supposed to retire in 2026. 2025 was supposed to be his last. It hasn't been a good year at Stalantis. No. And the, Carl Stavarst came, the last few years, he's been incredibly popular. And he was very much lauded as the CEO because Stalantis had great profits during COVID. Probably because they had a lot of inventory they needed to sell. So they had great profits because the only inventory they had in the U.S.

was high-priced, high-margin, trucks, SUVs. Charter people wanted, especially then. Yeah, because they've been in production for 20 years. And then only the nice one. ones were selling. So, the Solantis problems were great. And then it turns out, wait, actually, now that other manufacturers can build vehicles, nobody wants to buy this land of products. They had a huge COVID bubble. They did. And it ain't looking pretty now. No. So I was really rough. And dealers are, had been pissed. I was thinking about this yesterday because I went to a Chrysler product launch,

a Stalantis product launch. Stalantis vehicles are piled up at dealers and their quality is poor. Ford just has the poor quality. we're really making sure that every OEM loves us on the podcast no I mean listen the truth of the matter is Stalantus since I was a kid

Chrysler has staked their entire existence on the success of like one or two vehicles in their product portfolio they've never had the deep bench that the Toyotas and the Fords and the Hondas have had and this most recent time

was Charger Challenger and Jeep and Jeep the Chrysler 300 came out in 08 Well, right, but the Charger Challenger in the period you're talking about, the COVID period, was the big hit. That was the car that was selling. And honestly, every Jeep so well.

Jeep. Both all of that has completely changed. Charger Challenger they gave up on, which I still think was kind of a mistake. They took this electric strategy, which obviously is not going to pan out. They're walking that back. Jeep has become a bit of a problem. And they have this big reputational issue where no one believes the cars will run. When I bought my Sequoia, remember, I really wanted a Grand Cherokee.

and in the end was like, I just can't take a risk. And I think a lot of people feel that way. Do you know how cheap Wrangler Ford by Elises are? How cheap? Low 300s for a well-specked Willis edition, which I think is like mid. That still seems high. It's a $60,000 truck. Wow.

What's the down? Zero. From what I've seen online, people have gotten deals in that range. Wow. And if you go to any Jeep website, their advertiser website, they're advertising some. I will say one of the things that I have noticed with a lot of these automakers, Nissan included, is that there was a pivot to electric that a lot of money went to and that the automakers are now anxious will happen. We got Trump as president now.

Electric incentives are going to change. The demand for EVs has not been as strong as the auto industry thought that it would be even without the incentives, let alone with. If the incentives go away, that's going to change everything, especially in the U.S. These automakers are all kind of Toyota's in a good place. They never put any money into EVs in the first place. Yeah, fair. And also, like, Solanzas obviously has a huge European presence. All their, most of their brands. But a lot of EV wasn't, is not an electric only brand, but a lot of the cars are electric. There's a lot of electric components, which do sell, but volume is just not the same. Europe as a continent of countries has way less volume than some U.S. States alone.

The volume is in China, which has its own burgeoning industry. There is no real, these traditional manufacturers still land as Nissan are not there. The Chinese government has really been protectionist about making sure that Chinese automakers take the, take the front runner roll. in China and it's worked. And those cars are not only ahead of American and general legacy brands in terms of technology, but they're way ahead in sales in what is going to quickly become, if not is already, the most important car market in the world. Now, I will say, I was at a Mercedes Ben's dealership last week. Cars piled up. Yeah, those inventory. I was at a Porsche dealership for my career GT recall. I was asking about sales. They said McCona vs coming in are not sold.

Inbound McCona v. This car, I've only seen two on the road. This is a brand new car, not sold. Very new Porsche. No. The brand new Porsche. The EV demand is simply not there. A lot of these Mercedes-Bs that are piling up sitting around, EQBs just sitting free. These cars are free. I mean, look. I know, but. It's an EQB.

It's not a competitive, attractive vehicle. But my point is, I agree with you. But my point is, they invested money in the electric pivot. It is not working. And there's going to be a come-to-jesus situation in the automotive industry. There already is for a lot of these brands. Not Toyota, again, the Toyota dealers still have a low-day supply and they're moving stuff. Except B.E.4-X.

I will also say the other component here, and then we can move on to top. but Kenyon cares about. A lot of these manufacturers, and Solantis is especially guilty of this, bet pretty big on developing markets, South and Central America, parts of Africa, that have not had demand skyrocket to the extent that I think they thought did it 10 years ago

when they rolled out this product. Fiat's only new products are in South and Central American markets, and they're not doing great there either. Yeah, that brand only really exists in, like, Latin America. We've seen from Mexico. The Grande Panda, which only was there. Jeep has all these products that are not available in the U.S., which is so surprising because it's Jeep. Well, they have one, the Avenger.

No, they have several. You go to Europe. There's the Jeep's everywhere. No, there's all sorts of weird jeeps. And there's plug-ins. I want a renegade hybrid. They offered me one last time I rented a car in Italy. I would pay the, what I would believe would be the competitive lease price on that car,

which is 1999. Oh, you would pay more than I would. Yeah. So, all that to say, Carl Savar is left the CEO. There was some rumor, by the way, that he had a $100 million severance package. Stalantis had a press release today that said no that is not true that was overly inflated which means it's probably 75 80 to 7 million I wouldn't I wouldn't I'd be like all right he was planning on retiring anyway this seems like a good outcome for him John Elkin Ken's favorite

man is partially in charge of Solanthus while they hire in UCO I don't know which they claim will happen by the way by the end of Q2 Stalantis is funny they got good products but it is going to be a tough road especially all the grand Cherokee is a great product the ram is a great product The Wrangler is a good product. All these cars... Good product implies that it's a car that will also be dependent on. They are overproduced. They have a poor reputation for quality.

And they went too hard on electric. And so this is the situation. I would love to have a Wrangler or Grand Cherokee Ford, by the way. I've thought about how I make it works. So get one. They're cheap. And they're not cheap enough yet. The secondary is never cheap enough for Phillyville.

Okay. Let's talk about the most important news story. Yeah. Brunei. Folks, I want to talk about Brunei and I want to just really get into Brunei. And I think we should really like... Well, sadly, it's hard. to get into Brunei. I know. Well, you can go there. You can't go there. It's quite a tourist

assassination. You can't see the collection. I can't imagine. I can't tell you people how much time I spent on this. I'm going to tell you the basic story and then Kevin's going to take it. The Sultan of Brunei, actually, his brother, Prince Jeffrey, he spent reportedly, according to court documents filed years ago about various things, he spent reportedly $14 billion, missed spent, $14 billion over a period of a decade or so in the 90s. And I read an Atlantic article about Prince Jeffrey, and it referred to him as the individual, the living individual who has spent the most money of any person in existence. We calculated, he bought 7,000 cars for the collection.

Wow. And we calculated that during the period where he was spending money, he was buying three cars on average every single day. People are like, I can't believe he never drove him. Of course he never drove him. How do you buy that many cars? The whole nation wouldn't have any time to drive. He didn't go to a dealer and bought them.

These were all mostly quite special. He went to the 7,000, I would say 6,600 of the 7,600 are not special cars that were primarily Mercedes and Rolls-Royce and Bentley that were purchased directly, but not through a dealer, but directly, and they were just cars they were making. Sure. You know, there was a rumor that in 96, 97, or 98, he bought a third of all new Rolls and Bentley's and single-handedly propped up Rolls-Royce and Bentley as a company until the, you know, he stopped buying cars.

They found out the $14 billion embezzlement. He stopped buying cars. And immediately after that, Rolls-Royce and Bentley fail. It had to be bought by other companies. But anyway, so what happened this week was last week, there was a leak of Brunei pictures from taken back in 2001, purportedly by either Michael Sheehan or someone like that. And there's like this uproar. These are stolen photos.

I can't believe these got out. Oh, I can't believe. Like all these Brunei Instagram accounts are like so pearl clutchy. That's hilarious. But they're out. The pictures are there. Those of us who want to see the pictures love it. And the cool thing is Brunei had what they really did and what was the really special thing, the 500 really special cars, was they commissioned. Bentley, Rolls-Royce, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Bugatti, Jaguar to build one-off individual cars just for themselves that were not sold or available to anybody else. And it's an unbelievable thing. And we see these pictures now of these cars. And I will say a lot of the cars pictured had been.

There are other photos of them around. Right. Some pictures did get out, but, I mean, it was so few, and we all knew what they were. I don't think there's a single car that was photographed in here that I didn't know about, but it's amazing to see them all. The multicolored EB-110 was a surprise. Yes. Yes, that was. And also, you know what else was a surprise?

We didn't talk about. There is a 456 and a 550 that were made with night vision. Did you see this? They have an enormous amount of night vision stuff in the trunk, and there are cameras in the interior. And they were meant to drive like 200 miles an hour in the middle of the night. I remember Night Vision? Crazy. Yeah.

So anyway, this is a Bentley Buccaneer or something like that. There's all these cars that never existed. There are Aston Martins. That Aston over that next really cool. And it's amazing to see these pictures. Right. There's a great Instagram account. I think it's called.

There's several now. Yes. But the one that like pushed them all was like Brunei, 2005 2001, something like that. It is, like, it is hours of scrolling through and being like, wow, I never would have thought. The Brunei government reportedly, so there's, so there's, interesting things about this. These pictures are all taken in 2001. A lot of the cars are moldy. A lot of the cars are in rough shape. Right. 23 years ago they were in rough shape. So a couple of the Brunei

Instagram accounts have been saying the cars are being maintained well now. You don't know what you're talking about, which is interesting. Some of them have gotten very angry. Like people are saying the cars aren't being maintained well. You don't know anything. It's like well then tell it. I don't know. Of course we're saying that 20 years ago they looked like they weren't being maintained and we haven't anything since. Right. You've been to Brunei? Apparently some of those guys have some access to some people. But we know the McLaren's have gone back. We've seen pictures at airports of the McLaren F-1s that have gone back to the UK for

refurbishment and then come back to Brunner. So the owners and their families are still maintaining this fleet in some way. The big thing that I think every car enthusiast on the planet wishes they would do is open up a museum and let people get access and see these cars. However, the ruling royal family of Brunei currently is still the same family who bought the cars. And I think that they are embarrassed. I think that they're embarrassed by this massive display of wealth, this ridiculous spin, and they don't want it to get out to their, to their population, local population, Brunei. They're just like open windows. I kind of imagine people walk down the

street and see the. So you should see where they are. I got deep into this. I knew exactly where they are on satellite. You can't get to them. It's in a presidential separate reserved area that like normal people can't access. I have it on a. authority that the family just doesn't know what to do. They don't know if to do it as like a, to display them as a museum, they don't know if they should sell them. I will tell you this, Brunei, which is an oil rich nation, uh, and that's how they got all this money in the first place. They have been really trying to push tourism lately. The drawback of tourism in Brunei is it's also a heavily Muslim country. There's no nightlife. There's no alcohol,

etc. If they opened up the large others to, to a museum, we'd be there in two seconds. I would tour Brunei. I'll dump the money into the economy. I think it would be five days of just going there to see the cars. I also researched Brunei pretty extensively. There's like the car ownership is like the second highest of any nation in the world. It's not a very large

nation. No, it's very small. There are roads that are good roads, like there's like all a highway. Yeah. And when the highway opened in 2002 it was news. It's a very, very, very, very small country. And but they've got all this money and I just would get water. I just would give anything to jump in there and see the damn cars. You know they got six McLaren F1s.

I know. And three of the five LMs, including the one that's not orange. They got a long tail. They got an orange one. They got an un-orange one. GT. Yeah. I mean, they have, yeah, they have, really have everything.

That alone, those cars in them, in and of themselves, that's $150 million in cars right there. And I'd be honest, the one-off Ferraris, I think those are five plus million cars. I think a Ferrari Venice sells for $5 million to $7 million. It's a one-off, right? I think a 456 sedan sells for that. I think a Bentley Buccaneer doesn't sell for that, but gets probably 600, 700 grand. The drawback of the cars is they were all right-hand drive.

Yeah, what do you think the right-hand drive? And also, they're 40s with the leather interior goes for. That's another thing. They got F-40s, 28 GTOs, 28 EVOs. I mean, it's got to be, even today, it's got to be a billion dollars in cars. I'm not exaggerating. Incredibly moldy. Who knows?

If you are part of the Sultan's family and you want to have Doug come visit you, he would murder Kenan to do so. I would give anything. I would say that the one thing if I could do anything in the world to do would be to go to Brunei and see the cars. I agree. Especially because this hits for me.

This is my era. Exactly. I totally agree. Late 90s, weird stuff. It would have been amazing if they had money in the mid-2000s. That would have been really cool. But I'll take Bentley Buccaneers,

Bentley Dominators, Bentley Javas. Yep, Ferrari Mythos. I'll take them all. You know the other thing, the Ferrari FX that they have? Yes. That was based on, I think the Testarosa and it was like a modern,

really cool looking car, in my opinion. They, it had a transmit, like sequential manual automatic that was developed by Cosworth and never finished. And it just doesn't work. And the Marconi Museum has one of them too, which is like in Orange County.

And they told me I could come review up, but the car doesn't drive. And it never has driven. Like the car just, it doesn't. How Italian is that? They shipped to Brunei before they had finished working on it. It's done.

It's perfect don't drive. Just let it sit there. Which, to be fair, the perfect place, because none of these cars have been driven. So like, You see the F90. Go look up, take a, pull up a picture of the F90, then we'll move on from Brunei.

Can I, Flipe doesn't care about Brunei. I think about Brunei every single day. I, just look at the F90. I fully believe that that's true. You don't need to salt the Brunei out of there. I thought that would be helpful. F90. Wow.

Is this, Philippo, click on this one. Click on this one. Is this the ugliest car? Oh, no, click on that one. That's in the garages. Is this the ugliest car you've ever seen? No. But it's up there.

It's up there. The testeros is like, yeah, the testeroso wheels really sent. I'm showing my ignorance here, but I didn't realize that each of these cars was named by the manufacturer. Yeah. Now, Pinn and Farina did a lot of them, to be clear. What the Sultan would do is, I think they contacted the Sultan, Jeffrey. They contacted Pinn and Farina through the Ferrari dealer in, apparently in Singapore. And Pinn and Farina was really responsible for doing a lot of this stuff.

But it happened with Ferrari's blessing. The cars are badged as Ferraris generally. And yes, they were all named. Even cars that never existed. They're named. Ferrari was struggling as a company at that point. No wonder they blessed this. They just needed the money too.

It's sort of pinnifrina. Everybody needed the money. I mean, this was a big deal. This was a really, really big deal. These companies were totally willing. Now, it's worth pointing out that the Sultan and the family there still gets crazy cars. They still are buying hypercar. Are they?

They are. Supposedly they bought a La Ferrar, et cetera. But not at the level, obviously, that they want. Not like this. You know, the thing I think that's so interesting about this story is like, if you or I were rich and I mean like rich. Really rich. Like could embezzle $14 billion. before the country found out about it, Rich,

we would commission automakers to build us cars. And they did. Yes. It's like the dream. For me, that'd be so much more simple. 812 with a 6 speed manual. Like,

there would be stuff. You know what you say that? But if you were buying three cars a day, I think day 28, you'd buy that. Day 478, you'd be like, but can you make it float? Like, I think that's what happened here. I think they did try to do the stuff you were talking about.

Like, do you have this night vision because we like to drive fast at night. And then that turned into, can you make one with a swept back? Where were they driving? The country is 20 miles wide. Yeah, but there were a couple of posts on the Brunei Instagram, and there are a couple people who reply and were like, I was in Brunei in the 90s.

I remember seeing this car on the road. There was a guy who said that about the XJ 220C, which is a really cool looking car. He was like, this was clearly one of their favorites because I remember in Brunei in the 90s, watch seeing this car drive around. And it's like, oh, oh. Imagine, I know.

The dream. The dream. But this is easy. one of, this is maybe the coolest thing that happened, Automotively speaking this year? Because it has been just shrouded in mystery for two decades. Yeah. Yeah.

It's legend. Now, again, none of these cars, I think, that were photographed, have not been photographed. Like, you pulled up the F90. There were, yeah, they were. That's true of almost all these. But it was interesting to see the state, the state they were in. And it was interesting to see just them all.

And even more, it was a picture of a car. It was the cars around it that you're like, oh, my God. You'd see a picture of a car, and then next to it's an F50, and then a multicolor EB-110. Yep. And then in Venice and yeah, all that stuff. Pull up the multicolour EB-1-10 and we'll move on. Yeah, the EB-1-10. Type just type an EB-110, Brunei. I bet it'll be the one that comes up, although they had several. And by the way, Brunei convinced, here's one of my favorite things about it. There it is. There's the multicolour E.B-1-10. Look at that interior. Look at the wheels. Oh, it's just like,

one of the, one of my favorite things about the EB-110 in general. Brunei convinced all these companies to build them right-hand drive versions of all these cars except Bugatti. They're all, all the EV-1-10s are left-hand drive. Bugatti's like, yeah, we can't do that. We'll give you any money you want. No. Nope, nope. We literally can't do it, no matter how much money you have. Sorry.

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What's to deal with that? We did some car spying in it. We did. It's very cool. It is actual gold-plating. It's not a wrap. The steel and steel was a gold-plated and then PPF over. Want to shut it out.

It's being auctioned for charities. So all the full amount, the high bid, it's no reserve. We'll go to charity, as will our buyer's fee. And if it's very cool, it's going to go to Jerry Rigget, everything's charity, which is focused on his wheelchair creation project. But this car was also originally owned by MKBHD for his channel, or at least used by MKBHG for his channel. Stradman has reviewed it.

Jerry Rig, everything has reviewed it. And I'm told because this is being sold by Ridge wallets that if you win, you might get some wallets out of it. Oh, Kenon, some wallets for you. Yeah. Okay.

But it's cool. You want your cyber truck to be even more noticeable. But like in a cool. We drove it around. People were freaking out. And in like a cool way. If it's a rap, you know it's a rap. Right.

Yeah, I would tell people, this is gold. This is actual. And there is something like 20 grids. It's PPSs. gold. There's real gold value in it. This is real gold. Do you have any real gold on you,

Kenon? Of course. On you? Yes. Okay. Okay. Our next talk cars topic, Kenon? So, we happen to have cars that we went and reviewed in the desert and they have me sitting here at the office. And I have drove the M5 a lot.

Yep. I drove a court for a video. That is an hour on. So it was time to drive the cayenne. And so I went and drove around the Kyan a little bit and I love it. Yeah. I absolutely love with that. He fell love with the Kaya.

I've been telling him since he got to San Diego, you need a Kian Turbo 12. I tell it to everybody, but I've especially been telling it to Kenon. But yeah, but I'm an older man now. He said to me yesterday, Kenon is a big thing. Kenon is like, I've only ever owned manuals. You said to me yesterday, it's getting kind of tiring to drive a manual everywhere. Sometimes, sometimes it does. But it was just nice.

More than that, though, it was nice to have. have a car that I really just didn't have to worry about. I could go through every dip and it was fast and it was comfortable and it was the full leather was so nice and the sound system is great. You understand why people have daily driver cars now. Yeah. But then again, we think is if I just like the idea of an SUV or a car I don't have to care about, do I really like this car?

The answer is I really like that car. Because it combines the things that everybody likes about an SUV. You sit up high, you don't have to worry about bombs, potholes, with it's actually good to drive. Yes, exactly. And they're incredibly affordable. They are just around and reliable. So you agree that it was the right choice for our... Well, no, I still chose the right car.

But it was, it's a good choice generally. To have both is the correct decision. And that's more of what I'm thinking about. I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree with that. And so it's got me thinking, plus the M5 is so... I love the M5, but I really am getting... I'm very careful how I, like, when people are around, like,

for whatever reason, people see that car on the highway. And it gets more attention these days than it used to. I guess you just don't see. nice ones anymore. And so people come up and take pictures or like want to race, which I do not condone and don't do. But like it makes me a little nervous, like kind of nervous. And I know it's like a 240,000 mile car and I should be driving it.

It's just an ether 9M5 for most people. It's just just used car. But it's like it's so special to me. It's like it would be kind of nice to have a daily that I truly just don't have to care about. And don't have to be as like that I can actually open the altoy's case in. I really care. Also like they're not that expensive to own or maintain.

Well, that's the thing I'm the most... They can't appreciate that much. Like, a first-gen turbo is a $12, $13,000 car. Right. So this is a $17,000-20,000 car. Like, you're... Totally. I agree.

I am so concerned about, like, the consumables and, like, I started looking into issues that some of those cars have. The earlier ones had engine detonation problems where the engine would explode. That's an issue. They did, someone did have transfer case problems, but I think that, like, if you buy a 14 or later... I've only ever heard that those cars are reliable. And honestly, I mean, and they're...

I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'm just saying, like, they can... Like, they get submitted to us all the time with crazy miles. Exactly. And I think that's kind of the proof in the pudding that they can be reliable. Of course, like, consumables are expensive. The tires are gigantic on that car. The brakes are expensive.

What you'd really want is, and maybe you wouldn't want this, but I think what a one person would want. The Kyan Turbo, people don't know this, but the Kyan Turbo when it came out for 11, the standard wheel was actually a 19. Almost nobody got it. But the standard wheel, the 19, they called them the Kyan Turbo wheel.

But almost everybody upgraded to either the 20-inch RS Spider wheel or there was that 21-inch, one inch sport design craziness this one has the turbo twos i think right yes i think that's right um but those are all bigger but there is a smaller wheel that's more comfortable too and presumably be cheaper and the trick also would be to find a 75 000 mile car that's been well well yeah i was thinking like 60 to 70 000 mile car and probably yeah probably spend 35 oh you don't what are you going to buy at 2019 no you would you would want to get but i think you would want the goal of the car though is something you don't have to worry about you you want to get a 15 to 20 000 car

You also know that a 2021 will depreciate the 20 grand in a couple years. I'm more worried about my, I'm more worried about maintenance. I want to do less maintenance. 20 grand probably buys you. We've never done anything to that one. It doesn't need that much. It can use things as you said in the video. Well, there's a few.

I mean, the fuel gate doesn't work in the 4GT. The window switch is like a 30 second fixed. By the way, I went to start at it had like 14 miles of range on it. So I went to fill up gas. And then when you filled it up, it still said it had 14 miles of range. Kind of. The needle was said it had a quarter tank. I agree with you about Kyan.

you should get a kyan. You should get a kyan. I didn't enjoy the kyan very much. Everybody should get a Kian. I drove the Kian around before we filmed. He already has a board. I didn't enjoy it. I did kind of wonder,

it's like, do I really need another thirsty gas guzzling? No. Get a Kion hybrid. In 11, they came out of that S hybrid. Had the same supercharged V6 as the Audi S4. And it's actually pretty cool. It's a reliable engine. I haven't heard that many problems.

I think they have carbon issues because of the direct injection. Fine. You can buy even the next hybrid, which has a different engine. But you want the auto chip. an out of the S-4 motor. Then you can slap the hood and be like, there's an outy S-4 motor in this baby. Speaking of the challenges and the thing, can we talk about the thing? Okay. I need more than that. We posted the last video where we did the cars in the desert. Every single response was,

can you pull it up on YouTube? Doug knew about the challenges beforehand because he created the challenges and so he screwed everybody. Folks. Folks. This is not the way this works. Sorry, can I give context? We, meaning Ken and Doug and I and Nick, went out to the, brought four cars for under the cost of the cheapest car in America, went out to the desert. We did four enthusiasts cars against the cheapest car in America. It was going to be lovely. The Cayenne won every single challenge. That is factually inaccurate. Because it is better.

Factually inaccurate. Okay. You won the fuel economy challenge. And? I think that was it. Nope. Our hearts and minds. Pretty sure that was it.

No. I won because you cheated driving the racetrack. Pause the video. So, point being, everybody was freaking out. Doug knew the challenges beforehand, and so,

of course he won, he picked the car. Okay, let me tell you how this works. This, I think that the audience actually thinks that we were like, hey,

let's go to the desert. Hey, guys, you want to go to the desert right now and just go dry. That's, this was playing. This is true of Top Gear 2.

Sean told me that Top Gear won an award for best unscripted show. The concept is laughable. It's true. Everything about it is scripted, and that's true in this case as well. There's no,

the movie magic is that you think it isn't scripted. But we all bought the cars. Thanks for cutting that down for everybody. We all bought the cars. We all knew what we're going to do. There's 20 people on the shoot. Okay.

Like there's no like spur of the moment. Oh, we're going to try this. I will say before we decided on any of the challenges, you said the only way I'm doing this is if you buy a kind of tarot. I was pitched the idea. I, by the way, I didn't even come up with the idea. Our producer came up with the idea. And when he pitched me the idea, I did not want to drive four hours to the desert.

and to do these things. And so I was like, I'll only do this if I could be in a comfortable car, I want to do a kind of turbo. I decided on the car before we even decided on the challenges. Now, to be fair to the audience, the reason they think this is because I, like, read the challenges or something in the video. But we only did that because the top gear way of doing it was like an off-camera producer hands than the challenges. And that's the right way to do it.

But if you do it that way, it looks like you're copying top gear. Yeah. So if we had done it that way, people would be like, you're just trying to copy top gear. Those would be the computer getting instead. Right, right. Which anybody gets together to do anything with cars on. And the challenges are kind of a like, they're a way to move the story along,

but they're not the point. Also, the other funny thing was the challenge was for so obvious. It wasn't like, of course we were going to do a drag race, like what the hell else were we going to do in the desert? Like, look at the cars. Oh, if we were going to do that at the M5.1. It just annoyed me so much. And I was so disappointed.

Doug was like, Doug cheated. Doug hates to lose. Folks, I'll be honest with you. My primary goal being there was, to finish shooting as possible. Like, there was no attempt to, like, you know, try to game the system so I won. And I think all of us picked our cars before we decide the challenges. Isn't that right?

Yeah. And we then built the challenges around what do we think would be fun with these cars? We did to an extent. But this was a collaborative thing that we all decided on. We just, the mistake we made, and we learn every time. And I've never done, you know, I've learned with my videos how not to piss people off. I'll never forget the time. I was thinking about this yesterday, that I filmed a Ferrari Roma.

and I parked it on a handicapped parking spot. Okay. Now the parking spot was the owner of the Roma. It was his business and it was closed. So he owned the parking lot and it wasn't open to other people and he owned the and I still used to. And I've learned over time though what people get triggered by. And so I don't really get a lot of that anymore in my videos because but now we're doing

a new format and it's like, oh, people hate this, this and this. So we got to change that for next time. And so that was an interesting thing. We learned. Well, I certainly hope there will be a next time. fun to make. I was tired at the end. I'll do it next time only if I can drive a Cayenne Turbo.

No, it was a great challenge. I hope it's people go watch. If the challenge of sports car related then there you go. I'm going to tell you something. You next time, you guys can make the challenge. I won't even be involved. So the audience doesn't think I'm cheating. Oh, you'll be sure. I will only do it in a cayenne turbo. But a different

one, because we're selling that one on Cars and Bits or giving it to the winner of our giveaway, which you can enter by by buying merchandise on merch.com.com. When is the giveaway? over. Next Thursday? December 9th, which is a Monday. Yes, no purchase is necessary. No purchase necessary. You can mail us

something. It's all the everything's on merch. Or you can buy merch and you should because it's cool. It is cool. Anyway, the point is, I didn't create the challenges and I'm sorry to everybody who thought that I cheated. The Cayenne Turbo is kind of like a cheating because it's so good. In a lot of ways, annoying as it is to say it, it's very good at a lot of things. And it's a bargain. Dunn's did get it right, though, that you hate to lose. But that is true.

When it comes to production, I want to be clear about something. When it comes to production, winning is finishing fast. Winning is leaving before the scheduled time. That's winning to me. Some of us stuck around with the production crew to help at the end, but you had to go. And so to me, winning in that case was just to get out of there. But anyway, the point is, I'm not a production guy, as everybody here knows. Like, I like low production quality, like get a lot of stuff done.

I like content and production. A lot of people like production content. That's like how most... I'll tell you what the audience seemed to like they didn't mind some production. It seemed like people are pretty happy with the way it looked. By the way, if you like... I was thrilled at that. Well, produced content that looks incredible.

Go watch it. And then tell what you think, and whether we should do it again. It does look good and it was fun. And I may or made out of one. I don't remember. But whatever the challenges you come up with next time, Cayenne Turbo.

Okay. Quite plausible. Philippo, tell us the next talk cars segment. Oh, where you guys are going to let me talk about? about this. I'm going to like to talk about it very briefly. Wow. All right. I have been known for on this podcast and in other videos talking about how I want a C7 Corvette. I've also

talked about how I want a 997.911. I do kind of want both of us. Wait, wait, wait. I've also talked about how I want an EV. I've also talked about how a minivan, a minivan, a key at Carnival. Oh, I would love it. It doesn't matter. Doug and Kennan have made a point off podcast about how I actually maybe don't care about that

experience. I don't want, I think I want to want a sports car, but it's not something I actually care about. You're an intellectual. You like to intellectualize. I would love a soft nine three big and yes and you start the process of thinking about that. You go through it and then that's enough for you. Yeah. Kenon, I'm going to, I'm going to give a little back to here because we haven't let Felipe talk about this for a few pods. Kenan is incredibly tired of hearing Felipe talk about cars he might buy so much to the point that apparently in Kenan's friend group that

isn't include us. If Felipe is like a meme, someone that sends a car like, I might buy this and people like, now you're just going to filippo it. My friend Ben. My friend Ben is listening on that he doesn't. I met there are other friend group text threads out there in the world. Probably. Like somebody says, oh, but I buy a card. Oh, you're just filippoing. But Doug had a, Kenyon had a fair point that maybe that's not actually, I want to want a sports car. I want to want what people think is cool. But actually, maybe I want quirky. So now I'm thinking about a panda. And I'm also thinking about a few multiple again. You know, if you go back like eight pods, I told them to get a panda or a multiple. I know. This goes back to everything I've ever said, which is that everybody should just listen to me before they do something.

Yeah. Doug is always right. He always has to win. Do you want to give a few other examples of people about... And then Stradman won't end up with a $7 million house in the middle of nowhere in Utah. If he had called me first, I would have told them it was a bad idea. Actually, the Konig Singh. I would have told him the Konigieg was a bad idea.

Meanwhile, everything Whistland does is a great idea. Yeah. But if you hear me talking the future pods about a panda or a multiple, that's why. I think I'm starting to conceptualize that I don't actually need a sports car. I just want fun weird cars. Okay. I want you to get a multiple. I will help you buy it.

I don't want you to say another thing until you have paid money for a car. Then he won't be saying anything. I'm being quiet, Felipe over there. I don't want to hear anything. I don't want to hear anything. It will be in I, so he's our,

so he went from thinking he wants it to thinking about, my thought is he's going to now go to thinking about importing it. Then he'll think about driving it. And then he'll think about selling it. And he'll be done. And that's about, I give that 10 days. One of Kenan's things also,

he thinks that Falipo can, he doesn't even need to own the car. He just mentally thinks through the whole, process and then he's done. Filippo's a very cautious individual, very conservative, and so just thinking about it is often enough for Filippo. That is true. Let's be real, guys. Wearing nice pants sucks. Everyone knows I'm a shorts guy, but sometimes pants are unavoidable. Who decided that stiff, uncomfortable fabric squeezing your legs was the key to looking sharp? Well, here's an early holiday gift from me to you. Those days are finally over.

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Kennan, do you know, don't type it in yet, what we sold our last BMW I8 for. Oh, man. Converteable or coupe? Coupé. What's the trim? Terrell world. Do you know the difference? Yeah, it's white with...

Do you know the other trim? I do. I knew there are three. Gigaworld. Oh yeah, there was three. It was Terro World, Gigaworld, and Mega World. Boom. I thought only that the I3 had the third trip.

It doesn't matter. Okay. Do you know what we sold our last I8 for? Cheapest one. Can you give me some hints, Miles? Accident. It doesn't matter. Three cylinder hybrid.

You'll be off. I was going to say 42,000? 377. Which brings me to my market report topic. I8s are getting cheap. Now, the I liked the I8. I did a video review. I was positive about the I8.

The general populace is... Was it 2017, too? The general populace is not particularly supportive of the I-8. Can you blame the people? At 37, it starts to become interesting, doesn't it? If you want to turn everybody's head, and Felipeo does, he drives through Little Italy and his 500 of Barth, revving, right? If you want to turn everybody's head, yeah. But also just look at it for the side.

It still looks like a crazy concept car after all this time. It does. It does. It does. And you never see them. Burthing a 991? How's it 10 years old? Birthing a 991.

No. Just Yeah. Dude, 37. We're a year or two away from this being a 29 car. Which makes sense. But it is still a sports car.

It's not a good sports car. Why is it not a good sports car? At 37, it starts to become a pretty interesting proposition. Does it not? It's a bargain for sure. 360 horse, 420 pound feet, all sorts of things. Three cylinder, two cylinder. Nobody knows.

You know how Nick is frothing to put his cloture forte on Turro? Yeah. I think if you bought that for 37, I don't put that on tour for a reason. Oh, that's an interesting point. You can probably make money with that. Are they reliable? Does anybody know?

I would tour one. If I could tour one for $1.99 a day. Almost 83,000 miles on it. I mean, I don't know. I'm just like at 37, this critically panned car has to start looking appealing. It's like the Maserati Ghibli. There's a number where this car starts to look appealing and we're getting close to it. It's fast.

It looks cool. It was fun to drive. Was it? Fun to drive? Yes. The exterior is awesome. I think this is a legitimately cool car. At 85, maybe not, but 37.

Yeah. Bargain. Agreed. Would you get one at 22? No, you can't talk about buying a car. Would you get one at 22? For your daily. Oh, you could daily and I8. Imagine having an I8 and E339 and 5. Yeah. Well, past in the past, I guess, you know.

But it still looks like a future risk of a car. Yeah, it's like the past in the future. It does really look like. The casual observer will think it's the past in the future. Right. Then you got to climb over that huge sill and it's an automatic and I, yeah. I know. It's not that comfortable. But it is cool. I agree.

For 37,000. All the haters have to admit there's a number where it's like, huh, huh. I think every car is that way. If it starts out expensive, there is a number eventually gets to it becomes appealing. Okay. Next market report topic, Filippa's got something to tell us about Porsche's. Surprisingly enough. We sold earlier this week at 996 Targo. Yep.

And a few months ago, we also sold a 997 Target, the Doug Review, the adult read. And it just, it's so notable. how much of a premium they command. That 997 target, pull up that 997 target. 80 grand. That 997 target rang the bell. It went for turbo one.

Agreed. Like, and that's a dot one. Even the other ones. And by the way, having spent a budget time looking at dot 1 and dot 2 values, a cab with that miles and a stick, an 07 cab is a 30, 35.

Yeah. Maybe you're right. Like, that's more than 2x premium. You know what's funny? And on 996 is true too, right? Like a cab with that miles is. Interestingly, not true on 993s. You know what's funny?

is that when I worked at Porsche, I was there in 997.2, Targa was one of our cars. We couldn't find anybody to take it. It was just not cool enough. It was just, it was a hatchback. People were like, there's no point in hang up to the hamia. It was a hashtagback, which is weird.

We didn't know. Yeah, well, I knew. But it was a hatchback, and it didn't look special. The only way you could tell apart a 997 Targa from a coop was the roof, I don't know. On the side, you don't know? Kenna, do you know? on the side

I mean the roof window situation here it doesn't have the curve the silver the silver yeah the targas had the silver strip over the window was there a sunnerves available

on the coop that looked similar to the 997 991 ended up getting like a full full car sunroves but then for 991 they changed the target it would be cool

it is interesting though I don't think this is uncool I shouldn't say that I don't think it's really cool but I am surprised to see people paying up for it and 996 targets are also not any more

different than no scoops but nonetheless people pay people pay you know anything special in the portia world at the end of the day a 9-11 is not a special car like truthfully you see a bunch of them it's not a so what's special about it is if you can get a weird color or a weird option or a weird body style like this suddenly you have something right and so there you go 997 targna i loved it can i have you considered commissioning a convertible kind of turbo maybe that was that i won Porsche did one. Porsche did one. There was a concept.

And Newport, whatever, did several. They did that heinous one, but Porsche did their own. You ever seen this? No. Porsche Cayenne Turbo convertible. Was it turbo? No, no, just type in images. It'll come up.

This is Portia's. Purportedly, it's in the museum. I've never seen it. I've been to the museum a couple times. Wow. But they maybe have it in there. They probably don't keep this in their top. This probably isn't next to the all-time grades.

No, but hey, they went with the Miami Pink and the London blue lighting for this particular This, needless to say, not a particularly attractive automobile. In fact, quite ugly. But this was Porsche. Tragic. Didn't they do the rear? Wasn't there two rears? I thought this was like a concept.

Anyway, this was a real thing that they were thinking about. And needless to say, oh, yeah, there are two. Oh, that's some other car. I don't know. Yeah, that's a comparison. Although that's from Porsche and Newsroom. I thought there were two. Anyway, the point is, that's real.

And weird, even if they're not that different 9-11s do well. That would sell for real money. Oh, it would indeed. Okay, Kenan, give us the R-S-Class take, which is fantastic. Such a good take. So we have often talked about cars that are, you drive around in it, you look rich. Right. But they don't cost a lot.

I think that there is a new challenger to that. One that we sold recently. We sold this 2015 S-550. How much? Oh, my God, no way. $18,450. Now, it had miles, 92,100 miles, but no accident. Dude, I remember shooting this when it was a new car.

I did a video review of this car. They are. And there is nothing about that that looks inexpensive. That is a rich person's car. I mean, fake badge on the side. I mean, fake badge, but that's easier. Go back. Is this common?

Is this what they're going for? Yes. Because we, I was going to say the same thing about 750 eyes. 24. Yeah. The coup is at 37? I know. That's where these are.

They are coming down. The one that we just sold is low, but it for the miles. I think of an accident. 165. You can just type in W-22. Okay. 16-5, 22-5. Oh, my God.

I was not aware that these were this cheap. The thing that makes this especially proves your point is that these still look like the new S-class. Because the new S-class that just came out, they kind of went for the small evolution instead of a new totally. And so, like, if I pulled up in this, a lot of people think I have a brand-new car. Right. And now, because I honestly didn't realize they're this inexpensive. I may have picked one for the challenge. This would have been a good car.

Click on this one. Why did this one go so cheap? How many miles is that? 142,000 miles. Go to the interior. to the interior. I just want to see the clown smile. You remember the clown smile? I do. Go look at this. This has held up beautiful. It's white. It has pillows. It has. It's still fluffy. How do I not have one of these just as let's screw around car for 14,000 U.S.? It's quite a bargain.

I mean, quite a bargain. I already have a heavily depreciated Mercedes product. I don't need the second one. I mean, look at that. That is a rich looking interior. Yeah. Quilting. Yeah. I mean, it's also held up so well. Oh, well. Yeah. Man, Mercedes quality has gotten so much better than it was in a Philippo era. Look, even the smell thing is full in the clothing. What's that called? Yeah, the scent, the like interior scent. Yes, as a matter of fact, on the bookshelf behind us, I have all of the sense, all four of them that you can get. You could buy and then use them to.

This, I cannot. Here the daily driver for you. Obviously, every S class depreciates, but the problem is that usually by the time the S class is depreciated to this level, it looks like a cheap used car. Like the previous gen, which, by the way, I love how they look, the one that was sold from 07 to 14. Yeah, it looks great. I would love an S-600 of that. love that car. But it looks like it's old now.

This does not look old. Yeah, that's amazing. I did not be like that way. Isn't that incredible? I will say, by the way, all of them are the, the pull up a 750I, BMW, 755. Well, yeah. But we sold one that was a 2017 two days ago for 18 something. Yeah, that 20.

No, we sold more than that. So you might have to add I. I can't remember. Oh, Lord. Which is something to consider. Yeah. There's a 2016 for 19, 2015, for, 2015 for, Like, they're all of them that are used cars.

And the toy 16 was a new gen, by the way. The BMWs, though, don't quite do it for me as much for some reason. They don't look quite as. Even more freighter for reliability, having an old BNBW. It's also more that, I don't know, they look like the used car that they are, like, which is fine because the price point they are used car. The Benz looks like a new car. Tilda a year ago, that's the current jet. Yeah, but the other problem is the new gen 7 series looks totally different.

And so you could never really pass. But all of these are sub-20, which is wild. Mercedes to me just has more. The Mercedes is a car. Dude, that is crazy. I cannot believe this is what these costs. Pick up one of these with a carmax warranty. Call it a day.

That's not a bad idea. The problem is CarMax won't sell stuff like this. You have to just kind of roll the dice a little. But if you're rolling the dice at 16.5, how much do you really stand to lose? Get one of these for your days. Well, you said that I bought my M5 for 113 and I'm in it way more than that.

You're going to have for like 70, but it's probably worth 40. Yeah, that's only 30 grand over. Can you pull the first one? The third one that was 165. What color is that? You should buy this as your daily. Ruby black. Kenan, buy this as your daily.

I would be so jealous. S-class as a daily would be. Oh, Kenan, driving everyone to black S-class? Maybe in silver. If I can go in silver, I would be. There are silver ones. These are the good wheels. There's some bad wheels, by the way.

Go back. There's one that's really bad. I think this wheel was not S-class worthy. It looks like an E-class wheel. It looks like an E-class wheel. Other than that, pretty cool. Wow, that's amazing. So, yeah, if you want some.

Cheap Luxury. By the way, the Lexus L.S. is also heavily depreciated and is reliable. But it does not have the rich dude look. It never did. And that Jen is not as reliable as the earlier Lex L.S. is not as reliable. The new L.S. I've only heard good things about. The one before that. The L.S. Yeah. No, those are reliable. The last time we talked about Lexus Ls is

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The first question comes from Munworth Crowell. If you all had to have, this is going to be the whole, the only question we're going to get to. If you all had to have the exact same car as your daily driver bought with your own money, what car would you agree on? Your E-450 alter,

if they mean for this series, the Kite? Yeah, I love the E-450. Really? You take that over this S-class, an S-class? Well, no. The S-cust would be.

That we own right now. I think the question is we have all to agree on any car but we have to all agree on we all have it. Why wouldn't it be a Kyan Turbo? Well, it's him. An S-214-E-4-50 altering.

I agree with you. What about him? I like the E-450 altering, but it is as a daily driver? He'd rather have a Kyan Turbo. That's the problem. I'll have a Kyan Turbo, but he won't. What if I want to?

It's too much performance for him. It's too much car for him. Every car is too much performance for Philippo. I've agreed on both of them. But I wouldn't buy an S-214 with my own money. There's no overhaul. That's the other problem. It says you have to buy it with your own money.

So you'd have to pony up for an S-214. So we'd have to pay an S-213. You know what I would do? I would get an S-213 non-altering. I don't love the 2017, the pre-face-life line. I don't love it as much either, but I would get it. Do you get a non-altor-in regular reclass station wing? Keep it my best, that's $3.35.

Wouldn't you buy a 2017 Kyan GTS for the same price? Me, no, but I think a lot of people would. I think that would probably be what I could agree. I'm in a post-high-performance daily driver world. Fine, hybrid. Kynne hybrid. I wouldn't want to plug it. Why not?

Because you've got to plug that in. You don't have to remember. Me and Kenan have enough going on. You don't have to plug it in. He wants us to plug in a car. You got to plug in a hybrid. Plug in hybrid. If you want, because Kenna, I know you love BMW, the X5 also will the plug in a very good car.

By the way, we're off the good stuff. Okay, the answer is we cannot come to a conclusion, but we're close. We're all too different. of German vehicle with a tailgate and a luxury card, probably not a performance car, and a few years old. Yes. We all drive variations of that. Yeah, yeah.

It's older. It doesn't have almost a classic, and it does not have a tailgate. Yeah, but he's going to get a Cayenne Turbo. Okay, next question from Draid Hall, Doug, when giving your take, do you ever have to hide your disdain for cars you actually don't like? So on every auction for cars and vids, I write a Doug's

take, and the editors write it, our editing team writes it, but I edit every single one. Literally all of them. He genuinely looks at all of them. If your car's been sold on the site, I edited the Doug's take and looked at your pictures and sent Ken on a note like, one of these pictures. Right.

And then I fixed it to the correct picture for it. But we'll move on. So the answer is not really, mostly because by the time we put the cars up, they're depreciated. Like, the Ghibli is the best example. And people sometimes will like send me notes being like, you're lying when you say the Ghibli is good. The last Ghibli we sold for 14.5. there was actually a 23 we sold before that

but we sold the 17 for 14.5 this one or not sold I guess as it were you get the point 16 18 even I can recognize some value here like I beat that car up when it was new at 85 at 16 yeah so anyway there are some cars where the disdain is evident

in the ductsink but usually the cars were well I'll let people in on a little secret Whenever there are, like, because Doug hates, like, black wheels or aftermarket wheels on cars, whenever he does that, I'll put that it's eye-catching. Or, like, the color's really bad, eye-catching. Yeah, yeah. There is some coded language. If I think that, right, if I think that something isn't good, instead of saying attractive or beautiful, I'll change it to eye-catching. Also, I notice sometimes the editors will be like, the whatever is an amazing car.

And I'll, like, dial it back. Yeah, it's a great car. I may not have made that mistake. I do dial it back sometimes. I do make changes. But, I mean, if you look at the stuff on the site, go to what we have listed right now. Like, scroll through it and you tell me if there's anything you don't think is cool. Like, I think there's great stuff to say about basically every car we have on the site right now.

Like, what here wouldn't you say? Yeah, well, this is a cool car. I'm a mini guy. A lot of... Excellent hot hatch. She is. I'm a big mini guy. There's no lying on a mini auction.

I think minis are cool as hell. I still do. Like minis. Is XC90? Love of Good Vol. Slingshot. I like slingshots. I like crazy.

They're coolish. It's amazing. Really fun to drive. It sounds agricultural. It was fun to drive and boy. You wanted to be automatic. Yeah, you want it to be automatic. But the manual is fun to drive.

Like, legitimately, none of these cars, keep strong. Like, none of these cars are bad or, like, you have to lie. Because there's something interesting. Like, we have, we have that diesel Passat. Is the facade the best ones I've said in it? Maybe not, but the diesel one is special. And there's like a value prop to it. I also have to say Doug is genuinely enthusiastic about so many cars.

An assortment. More than almost anybody I know. I like Japanese. I like Korean. I like German like I have and I've had them all like I've had cars from every country You guys is a nice car what is this is so forth I don't know I'll talk about we'll talk off pod I'm like a third Colorado something far away 40 40 400 that's a cool car that's yeah in a color

Yeah M X3M competition that's a cool car those are so in Toronto red metallic Anyway the answer is no I don't really have to lie out sometimes you flowery language it a little bit but we like you said we run the cars because they're interesting and so they're generally pretty cool. Or cars we have a lot of you can only say I use the 335 yeah 90s and but it is a cool car and there are great values. Um okay next question from Shane Rogers when can we expect you to be on the Joe Rogan podcast this is the this car podcast. We're better than that. That's right. We don't need no Joe Rogan stuff up in here. You don't want any elk. Is there elk on the Joe Rogan pod? Go with the big elk proponent. Well the elk is tasty. If they got elk in the room, you know that Wisconsin man. If they got elk in the room,

I would go to the Joe Do they got Do they have an elk I would imagine He probably has In Wisconsin But I had friends That would go

Legitimally on vacation To travel And go hunting other places And he's trying to Out Midwestern me You can have it No he doesn't He wants to dial back

He doesn't want people To think he went And shot an elk Right We can't talk about What he did With the loops I want to recognize

That there aren't Not legal The That elk came from all Where Right Right Right

Okay next question From 208 GMC Sierra Are you gonna do Your annual Smoking Tire Podcast this year Every year

At Christmas I go on the smoking tire podcast. This year is no different going there next week. I can't wait. Wow. I love podcasting with a real podcaster. Also, you have said publicly, so I'll repeat it here. Zach Clapman, you think, is one of the funniest people.

He is so funny. I think that Zach Clapman is the funniest person in the car world. And a lot of what he says is funny, but the way he delivers stuff is perfect for my humor. I'll never forget. Here's a great Zach Clapman. The audience isn't going to find this funny, but I think it's hilarious. Zach Chapman tells me. the following story. He's like, he's got a

Crown Vic. And he, Crown Vic's, like, the very end, they offered hub caps for like, and you could get a set at the Ford Parts count for 20 bucks. And Jack Clapton's like, I'm filling up my car the other day and the guy comes up to me and he's like, wow. Another Crown Vic owner comes up to me. He's like, wow, look at these hub caps. And Zach's

like, he's like walking around, looking at each individual hubcap, like, really getting into him. And Zach's like, you know, man, you could be in this world. It's not, it's not hard. You could just go buy these for like 25 bucks. And I just, that kind of Zach Clapman delivery is just beautiful. He should have popped them off and get him to the guy.

He should have made the guys here. Zach's very funny. He does, he's done stand-up and like, writes comedy. Like, it shows he just is so quick on the draw, too. He's just a really funny guy. And Matt's wonderful, too. Of course. Matt is a hero and a fellow Kuntash owner.

That's right. Yeah, they haven't seen his in a while. Well, that's one of the big things I'm excited to talk to him about. I'm very excited to hear. What is the status of his? Kuntash. What's going on. I remember when he had a Kuntash.

Okay. He probably does too. Okay. Next question from, we're going to do one more. I'm going to pick this one. Oh, here's a good one for Kenan. Yeah. Logue and de Summer.

What are some enthusiast cars that if dropped into your garage for free with an unlimited warranty, no cost, no hassle, would you still turn down and refuse to drive solely due to the stereotype or stigma that it carries? Oh. That's a great one. That's a great one to upset a lot of people. Yeah. What thing are you going to say here that upsets people?

Well, I mean, there's one I really want, but I don't want the stigma because we live in San Diego. There's a lot of military presence here and a lot of military guys drive it. Yeah. Hellcat's one. You went to a military? I would drive around. I would drive a hell cat literally in a end of the week. I just don't look like a lot of the military guys who buy that, like they get their first check.

They go to Penn Fed, finance themselves to the gills. They buy that and they drive around. Street race. They straight pipe it. They do the burnouts everywhere, and they're irritating to most people. The Hellcat owners, I think, are one of the few owner groups that would admit that they themselves have a problematic stigma.

Like, I think G-Wagon owners once said, I've talked to so many G-Wagoners. Like, what are you talking about? What do you mean if there's a stigma? No. And it's like, okay, you're crazy. Like, okay, nice to meet you. See you later.

But Hellcat owners, no. There's some stuff going on there. Yeah, so that's probably, because, I mean, how cool would it be? Even just like an early hook, to have 707. I would drive a Hellcat in spite of the stigma. Without a doubt.

I would drive. Would you drive around in a G63, M.G? Yeah. You would now. Yeah. I mean, there was a time. The stigma would suck,

but I would do it. But I don't, right? Like, I'm not actually doing it, but I would, like, in this scenario. Another one's like any modern McLaren. Yeah, I was thinking about McLaren's.

McClearns are definitely up there. Clearns tell everybody I got rich yesterday in crypto and I don't know that much by cars. Could you drive around in a hurricane? Trace Comas. Yeah. Hurricon, yeah. I drive a hurricane. I've tried to buy a Hurricanes.

A non-starado. The Lambos are getting cooler. I would prefer a Starado, but I would do an STO. Performante is an amazing car. Perfamante is an incredible car. The problem is you are driving around and people look at you and think this person knows nothing about cars. Right.

But it's a good enough car that it overcomes that. Okay. I can't think of any car that I would just straight up turned down. A subway truck? How much two wouldn't be? No, I'd drive a cyber truck if I had. Daily drive it? Well, it's not what it said.

True. Wouldn't daily, eh? and off-road it. I think Hummer H-2 would be tough. Hummer in general, yeah. You had a Hummer. People didn't look at you fondly when you had it. Now they would change.

The world's changed. Flupiope used to ride around with me and that Hummer. I can't think of any car that I would straight up turned down because of the because of the Stig. It's not a good car maybe. There are cars that I would be really reticent to drive, but if it was free and warranty, like, I'd probably, what about, wait, what about like Jeep boomer mobiles? What about like a firebird, like an 80s, you know?

Yeah. Like a six-cylinder Mustang. Barretta. Oh, a barretta. I'd probably be a barretta, actually. You're right. Any Buick. Any Buick, you wouldn't drive a Park Avenue Ultra?

You wouldn't drive a Regal G. I'll take it back. Any modern beer. You wouldn't drive a Regan? I think maybe one of those. No, I would definitely drive a Grand National. I would definitely drive. But there are something, like a V6 fourth-gen.

an auto C5. No, I'd still drive that. Yeah. It's a good point. I don't know, man. I wouldn't want me, but I would obviously drive it around. Yeah, maybe like real old guy cars. Like an oldsmobile 98 or something like. One more to top it off. I did borrow one while my M5 was in for service.

I just can't do a WRX STI. Like, man, people look at you like they absolutely hate it. I would do that car on a heartbeat. I'd get one now. I was just yesterday. I think about getting a new WRX. So was I. Dude, let's split one.

No, you're not allowed to talk about buying a car. Watch yourself. Okay. I said I was thinking about them. Okay. There you go. Those are our questions. That's our podcast.

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