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Episode Date: March 14, 2025

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Hello and welcome to this car pie. I am Kenan. I'm Filippo. And let's do the news. Starting with that, the RAM TRX. It has been revealed slash leaked this week that the RAM TRX may return with a V8 as early as next year. Hell yeah, brother. The new CO is doing things already.

I will say, I drove the RAM RHA, which was the not replacement for the TRX, but sort of the more downscale replacement. Kind of labeled as that, though. When they came out, it was like, we don't want to. have a TRX, we will have this. Well, their thinking was they wanted to compete directly with the Raptor where the Raptor gets more sales, which honestly made sense. But it would be cooler still if they had both a TRX, which competed with the Raptor are, and a RHO, which competed with the Raptor.

I loved the RHO. However, it would be cool if the TRX came back. Now, will it come back with the Hellcat V8 and 700 and whatever horsepower? There's no details. This leaked out of a dealer meeting, I think. Yeah. So we don't know anything. But it is, it would be interesting if Chrysler started coming back to the V8.

For let's bring them back. There was a related new story where there was some quote from some FCA executive saying that they had an act. They had previously said there weren't going to be V8 chargers of any kind. They haven't actually ruled that out anymore. Right. We reported a couple of weeks ago. They're clearly starting to rethink reverse course on a few things. Well, regardless of the whole emissions EV political thing, when your sales numbers go where there's went and when your day's supply goes where

theirs has gone, you have to make different strategic decisions. And when you already have a VA, it's just kind of there. And that people love. And it was beloved. Yeah. Yeah. Decisions must be made. This is the signature. This is the signature. In order

to save the company. And so, they will save the company. And you know what? Philippo and I will both buy, mark our words, we will both buy Hellcat powered two-door wranglers. I can think of I would. I would. Could you imagine of such a vehicle existed.

Did you ever drive the 392? No, sadly. We drove the V8 Defender 2-door, and that was sketchy. Yeah, but I always felt the 3992 wasn't enough. What? You felt the Wrangler 392 was enough? What would you... It had 470 horsepower.

What would you... 707. You want the... I want the hell of it all. You wanted it all. Okay. Okay. But anyway, this is interesting and continues to go along with the theme we've now been reporting about

for like two months, which is more automakers kind of easy. off the whole EV plug-in hybrid thing and easing back to V8. What a sound. You like that? No. Okay. Speaking of V8s, move on to the next news story. It doesn't have anything to do with V8s, but... Who knows what motor Formula 1 is right now?

It's probably a 1.2-liter one cylinder. No, it's a... It's a... Power units and they're twin-turv charge hybrid V-6s. But we'll move on. Like that effect. I'm not a Formula One fan. Explain the story.

In my day, Career GT, Formula 1 had V-10s. That's all I'm saying. Keep dreaming, but... In my day. Cadillac is back in... Is going into Formula One, and I have decided, therefore, here's the big news story,

I'm going to be a Formula One fan. Wow. They're not going to reenter until 26. I know. Yeah, you being... We all know all this stuff because we're talking about it beforehand. Yes, but as the actual Formula One fan,

you're not even a fairweather fan. You're just... You're only like... America's here and so am I. Well, Hoss F1's been here for a long time, but we'll move on. Haas, that sounds German, not interested. Yep, Gene Haascair dynasty.

Yeah, how does it be German? You know so little about motorsport, it hurts. What do you find with Al-Bata? Well, I know everything about cart. Oh, my God. Imsa? He just gets little glimpses of things and holds on to them as, like, his motorist. But it's enough a lot of the time to make it seem like I'm not an idiot.

Now, on this podcast, it's not enough, and I do seem like an idiot. But when I'm in conversation, I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm sorry, turn seven over at the motor sports park. People are like, oh. I know. Right, yeah. Anyway, yes, Cadillac has been officially confirmed that Cadillac will be entering Formula One as the 11th team on the grid.

Which is a big deal. To get into Formula One is incredibly difficult, very expensive and highly political. But Cadillac has done it. Ferrari will be providing the engines as they had announced earlier, but they, of course, were like, if they're confirmed,

kind of had a good feeling they were going to be confirmed. This isn't where they are? Ferrari is doing the engines? There's not going to be a North Star in these cars? Not a black thing at it. It won't be that. Cadillac, GM has said that they

will develop an engine for the car eventually, but it's really hard to do. So they're going to start with, they will be one of the customer suppliers. General Motors is going to develop a Formula One engine in suburban Detroit. Think about that. Brave New World. It shows you how exciting and how popular Formula One has gotten. Netflix changed everything. Liberty Media specifically.

Yes, Netflix and other things, yeah, like had a huge effect and now everybody's into this. Why isn't Portia in Formula One yet? Porsche was like going back and forth was my understanding. I don't really know why not. Admittedly, just to your career GTs engine point, they don't have the best track record in Formula One. You think Cadillac does?

No, no. No track record is better than that tracker. Yes, that's true. You get my point, though, like this is now the stage and everybody's watching. It's not like where, like, Lamar used to be a thing, and maybe you could get a GT racing. Formula one is everybody's watching.

True, yes. But to your point, Lamal has also grown substantially and popular, and Porsche is just putting more effort. I mean, Formula One is... We want to see Porsche in Formula One going up against Cadillac and Ferrari. I think also Audi is like going to be entering formalists. I think Porsche's like, or like Volkswagen is like that's enough. You know what we got to do?

We got to stop having teams that aren't cars and start having only car teams. Yeah. So Red Bull, I still don't really understand that. Unless they make the cars. They could start making cars. They would have they were going to make that supercar, weren't they? That like hypercar. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah. One of six. Didn't they have some news about hoping to have an American driver? No, they said they wouldn't hire an American. driver just because he's American. They're going to hire the best driver. Which is the absolute right decision. They're not going to do DEI. Not going to DA.

Can I ask you a question about this? Yes. I'm looking at the picture of the Formula One car. And to be frank with you, this is the first time I've looked at a Formula One car in probably five years. This bar right in front of the driver's face strikes me as an issue because if I'm driving the car, I'd prefer there not to be a bar right in front of my face. Well, now that was the debate when the HAL was out of the car. So the debate was the drivers don't want a bar in front of their face.

What was the other side of the debate, pray tell? That it saves lives, and it does. Why not put the pillars here and here or something? Evidently, this is the most aerodynamic and structurally sound way to do it. So they're saving lives by reducing visibility. But it hasn't been a problem. It's been that way for years now. And drivers have gotten, A, used to it, and B, they just don't complain about it.

IndyCar is the same way. They use the same thing. So, yeah, but the HALO has legitimately saved lives. I've watched it save lives while racing. So, like, it's a big deal. And yes, although it is not the pretty. thing, and yes, it is directly in front of you. Evidently, it's not really a problem.

I am legitimately and honestly excited for Cadillacs Ravent Formula One. I don't think I will actually become a fan, but like every weekend I might say to you, hey man, how'd Cadillac do? Are you going to ask me? Yeah, I'll ask you. I don't know how to look it up, so I'm going to ask you. It's very easy. We probably just Google F1 results.

But then it says stuff like such and such driver, and I don't know who people are. Because you won't actually watch the racing. No, it's a lot of time. It's also early or late, depending. Yeah, you know, but you can watch it back. Which is what I usually do. I stay off social media until I've watched the race

and then I go back on social media. I thought you were off Formula One. No, I was off last year. Because it was clear in May that Max Verstaffin was going to win the championship, which I called and my friends were like, that's ridiculous, it could still happen. Well, guess what happened? He won the championship.

What a big surprise? And I said, despite being a Ferrari fan my entire life, I said Ferrari's going to lose and guess what? Kenan was right again. So this year, though, I am watching it because I'm very excited. It relates to a story we'll tell a little bit later, but Lewis Hamilton is driving for a friend. Ferrari, I think, and this,

2026 is a big year because that's when the regulations change. There's a, every now again Formula One updates everything. They update the rules and the technicalities and stuff that the teams have to have to partake in order to compete. That all changes for 26. That's when Cadillac is joining. This year's kind of a throwaway year because they're putting all their R&D toward next to the competitive.

I'll tell you this. It's not a throwaway for Lewis. It's not a throwaway for Lewis Hamilton. But yes. Nonetheless, I am excited. I will be watching all the races. The first race is this weekend. Saturday night, it's in Melbourne, Australia,

which is where they've started traditionally for a while now. Can I ask you a question? Post-COVID, yes. What if Cadillac wins the championship? Is that still a Ferrari win? Do you don't understand what I'm saying? Oh, as an engine supplier? As an engine supplier.

Would you be like Ferrari won because Cadillac won? No, I'm not that much of a jerk. I would say the Cadillac one. I mean, I would say Calac won. Cadillac win. But there would be a little asterisk for me, but I'll tell you this. I bet you they don't win on their first season. I don't think any team is ever.

Do you think it's a little weird that Cadillac is going incredibly hard into this competitive, high-performance sport without a vehicle to sell to anybody who's watching. CT5 v. Blackwing, C-T4 v. Blackwing, Escalate V. L-Q-L. Escalate IQL. No, but I mean, really, like, the V-V-V-B-B-Wackwings are the correct answer. But they're pretty low production, and you can't imagine. Maybe that'll change.

Oh. Okay. We're not here first. Speaking of Halo sports cars, our next news story is the Audi R-8. This is an old Audi R-8. Drove by Audi dealer in San Diego yesterday. They still got one. Yikes.

And I'll tell you something. The interest rates where they are and the stock market where it is, I ain't going anywhere for a while. This is a Lamborghini John Tamarian and Audi reportedly is going to make an R8 based on the Tamarian. Now, this is not a surprise

because the last two generations of R8 have also been based on the Lamborghinis, the Gallardo and the Huracom. And so they're going to do it again. But I thought the R8 was gone. They said that the last R8 was last, but they left the door open that it could,

come back. The R8 was the most successful Halo car I can think of. Yeah. It's just... The first gen specifically. The first gen. The way after that point, it was... The way it got successful was a formula that they can no longer do trying to work economies of scale. Because ultimately, the John Chimeryon is going to cost $350,000. And so this will cost $275,000. The R8 when it came out in 08 was $90,000 or $98 or something. Like, and I know there's been inflation, but there hasn't been Forex. And this car, because they need to share the parts with Lambo has become so expensive that it no longer does what it did.

But what it did was big? It was big. But also, what does the Halo car do for Audi now? I don't. They're still. It's still cool in the showrooms. It is still cool in the showrooms. And what it'll have undoubtedly, what it'll have undoubtedly is a plug-in power train.

And they're desperately trying to sell electric cars. That's a great point. And so that'll be better than. Go more in on that. All right. Give us our next news story, please. Ah, yes. A man.

And standing in front of a Nissan. Which means it's Philippo's story. Yeah, Nissan has a new CEO. So you guys may remember that there were talks of a merger with Honda, started as a merger of equals quickly became. Nissan could be a subsidiary. Honda, or excuse me, Nissan very much backed away. The CEO, that orchestra of that is now gone. Makado-UChita left last week.

What's his fellow's name? This fellow's name is Ivan Espinoza. He is Mexican-born. Yeah. And he was formerly something senior in operation. the director of global planning, some of that. Geez,

the chief planning officers. It's amazing to me that these companies that fail continue to promote from within. Director of global planning for Nissan. Right. Is he responsible for giving us

the absolute disaster of an ultima for the last five generations? I mean, probably, but I will say all, there's a lot of auto enthusiasts that are somewhat excited because he has known to be more into enthusiasts cars. He said a couple years ago

that he was working really hard to make a return of the Sylvie. happen, which was Nissan's two-door sporty coupe, he was trying to orchestrate that because he really cares about enthusiasts and enthusiasts driving the brand forward. Is he the one that let the GTR languish for the last 19 years without any updates? I don't know. The question is that, right? Like, how much power did he have that, did he not have that he now has to do what he wants?

Or is that just what he wants? The question is, and we're getting a little technical here, and Kenon's not going to like it, but does the board want the merger and do they feel that this person is merger? Is merger likely? I will say there have been some rumors and some like leaks to reporters saying that the mergers could be back on the table. But when the board voted him in, at least in what they announced publicly and what has been revealed about that board meeting, they did not talk at all about the merger. I'm going to tell you right now, the merger's happening. The merger's back on, really.

It's back in contention in a way it wasn't before. No, no, no, no. I'm telling you right now. I'm not saying it's back on. He's calling what you're reading the paper. I'm telling you this merger's happening. Nissan will fail without it because it is a failure of a company. and has been my entire adult life.

The 03 Ultima? The O3 Ultima. I was a child, but it changed the world. And it was 02. And it was still a failure. For being honest. No, it was successful.

Yeah. That car changed the whole world because everybody had to copy that car. It's the only time in history that everybody copied Nissan. The Maxima came out of OTH. There are two options, right? Clearly, if you fire the board

because you're stock tanked after you withdrew from merger negotiations, do you probably want to either do something that makes the market think that you're serious about rebuilding a brand, or that you're serious about the merger. It could be a little bit either. I'm telling you.

The merger is, this company cannot continue to succeed. Because of a lot of the lease obligations. It's a ninth rate company making 11th rate cars. You know their big mistake over the last couple years. I can name so many. That impacts their finances because they do still sell cars, but their residuals are so far off of what they modeled. I'm oversimplifying a little bit, but they have a real problem with the result.

You know what's funny about Nissan? I'll never forget when they came out with an electric car before anybody else. Remember this? In fall of 2010, they came out with the leaf, and the world has changed. Yep. A mass market electric cars here. And you know, after all these years, you know what electric cars in Nissan has? There's the leaf.

There's another one. And I think that, you want to say the ARIA? You think that that 15 years of R&D got us the ARIA? I got a buddy who just leased an Aria for $199 a month with zero down. Okay? That's what I think all Aria leases are. That's a cell phone bill. Yeah.

I mean, look, they're not. They got a car. It's a good deal, actually. There's tires and stuff. As part of some of their press releases, Nissan has taken a bunch of steps to apparently make product development less expensive and faster, which is a keyword for quality. Yeah, there's going to be a merger.

Yeah, so it's great that they have an enthusiast to. Mergers is a strong word. It's going to be an act with a transition. It's great that they have an enthusiast to as a senior position, but that doesn't really mean anything if the company doesn't make any money. Yep. So like, they're going to make money because they're going to be part of Honda and Honda makes money. So it's all going to work out great.

Well, Honda's just going to imagine just kind of. And then we'll see economies of scale. Maybe there will be a Honda GTR. It is one thing that is interesting. First time that somebody at Nissan from North America is in charge. Well, North America has been a resounding success story, so it's great. I will say one thing on that. We're Nissan's only market.

Let's be honest. Japan? Asia. They sell it Asia. You can't go to go to it. Asia. There's Nissan's ever. It's the only place they sell. Growth market. And Australia. There may be something there.

And Mexico. Which this guy is seeing Tissu-Ru's around his whole life. They're like, give the Tissuru guy the reins. Right. I mean, it's been the same for the last 30 years. All right. Give us the next new story. Before we move on, let me tell you about Ridge. My old wallet was a massive aging leather hunk of junk.

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So please support our show and tell them we sent you. Please. Oh, this was a great one. Who's talking about this? All right. You can share it. Trump and Elon were selling cars at the White House, folks. This is good content.

This is good. God, the White House, the most storied building in the world. And this is the crappy awning they come up with. Right. The crappy temporary awning supported by metal poles. All right. I think we should give a little bit of conversation. historic building.

Right. Yes, yeah, exactly. The most powerful leaders in the world have been near this thing. The best thing can come up with something that looks like you're going into like a cheap restaurant. It really does. Cheap restaurant in New York, mob money is running through it. Exactly. So the context is this. Elon Musk is working for Trump.

They're trying to efficientize the government. They're not doing the greatest job so far. However, because now everybody hates Elon and Tesla stock is taking and the sales have been a complete disaster, Trump's out there saying, hey, my buddy Elon makes good cars. Like, let's get some cars. And so Trump reportedly bought a Tesla. Is that true? He said that he would buy a Tesla. He said in a truth social, which is his social media platform, that it was what people were doing was illegal to not to denigrate the Tesla brand. Yeah. And that he would do a press for a... I personally prefer the photo that also had a

cyber truck, but I'll... Do you know on truth social when you retweet something? Do you know what it's called? It's called a re-truth. Christ on a rope. Whatever. I never spoke that it's on his social media platform. There's another one. The point is this. He's out there in front of some sort of model S car design in 2012 during another great Republican president, Barack Obama. Want to be clear? No, I'm kidding.

But that's what the hardcore lips think. And he's out there trying to tell people to buy a Tesla. I didn't read a lot of the news stories about this because the whole thing seemed kind of insane, but also like on Trump's brand. People are freaking out and I'm like, do you remember that from first term, that photo of, I think it was Vanga Trump with the Goia beans? Yeah. Same energy. And the My Pillar guy. I think it was the McDonald's he bought for the... That's more of what this feels to me.

That's the best one. All right. Here's where we're talking about it. Tesla has increasingly... Tesla's always been really linked to Elon Musk. That made it really popular for a long, long, long, long time. Yeah. Now that Elon Musk has become very much associated with, let's call it, conservative, maybe the alt-right,

depending on how you want to view it, that's impacted the brand. Yeah. Tesla market. a cap. So how much the brand is worth has about halved over the last month. Yeah. It was, it's now worth still just shy of $800 billion. It was worth about twice that. Still more than all the other kind of countries put together, but that's not far off. Fairly precipitous drop. Yeah. Which is why I think there's been some, President Trump had this

photo op to try to support Elon's brand. We talked a lot last week about kind of where Tesla's at. And I think that still holds true. Tesla stock is up to. day. Seven percent. Yeah, but it's going on crazy rides because the market's going on crazy rides because the whole pair of situations. But I will tell you, it's an interesting situation. Tesla is no law. I mean, we talked about this last week, but to really hammer the point home, the fact that the president is out there, shilling Tesla's in front of the White House. Yeah. That kind of adding in a great look for this brand that formerly relied solely on like word of mouth and Elon's tweets to sell cars. Every story I read is that sales numbers continue to

decline significantly. They're in trouble with the Canadian government right now because of some tax credit. Oh, boy. I thought that was odd. I thought that was odd. Two dealers sold 5,000 cars. Let me tell you something. Don't look too close at BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche at the end of the quarter at the end of the year.

Or any brand, honestly. Yeah. Because we used to punch cars. You know, the dealers would punch cars as service loaners or whatever to get some sales. And maybe the dealer didn't need 5,000 service loaners. But the point of me, the car business, I guess. There are some shady moments in the car business. okay, this isn't one of them. It's in the bright sunlight. Nice. It's kind of under the awning.

Anyway, regardless, the main focus of this story is that Elon has probably hurt both his own personal brand and undoubtedly Tesla's brand by getting involved in the government. Politics are tough regardless of how you want to go into it. And if you want to, this is a good example of if you want to sell things, you probably shouldn't get political. You know, the conservatives did this whole go-woke-go-broke thing and boycotted stuff, which was effective. This is kind of the same thing in the opposite direction. Maybe not as organized, but a lot of people are sitting around saying, I don't want to be a part of this. And a lot of stockholders are just anxious because they don't know where this is going to go and if it's going to get worse. And it ain't pretty right now. And if you're

a stockholder, especially a major one, you're responding both to sales declining quickly. Yeah. The EV market being iffy, iffy in general. And then the political part on top of sales declining, which is just accelerated. Which is probably the biggest uncertainty for investors? Like, is there going to be another Elon Musk, you know, Hitler or whether or not you agree with what happened, like the public perception was not great that came out of that, and it's not great for the brand. Of course, the market cap is still 20 X-load Ford's.

Ford, but Ford, but what does Ford have really? The tempo? All right, give us our next news. The tempo. All right, so switching topics completely. There's a new Morgan. Now, you might look at this vehicle and think, wow, that looks a hell of a lot like the old Morgan,

as all morgons do. It always has three windshield wipers? Yes, that is one of, yes. That is something that they're into. So this is the Morgan Super Sports, and they're saying it's a ground-up new development, new chassis, new-fully-aluminant. I know that's what you're thinking. Is that not wood in the photo? He doesn't know.

There's no wood. It is aluminium. And so, as they like to say. But there are a couple of interesting things. One is this, it comes with this hard top, which evidently is something they haven't come with in the past. They were very proud of this. They were like a huge deal of it. Again, this is Morgan.

Well, because I think that the previous ones, the way to get a hard top was you had to get the coop. Well, they would do an, yes. Or they would do an after-moor. They would sell you a third-party one from them, but they wouldn't build themselves. Well, this is when they built themselves. The five people that work in Morgan must be so proud. Tell us the most important part. Well, the most important part really is how much it weighs.

I was going to say the BMW Power Trade Man and Automatic Transmission, but sure. The weight, well, there are a couple different parts. So the Super Sport is powered by the B-58, six-cylinder, which everybody loves. And that's what people say it, the B-50. That's the motor in the X3M-40? That's the, yeah, that's the six. That's the one in the three and five-horse power six-cylinder. Yes.

That's like one of the most ubiquitous engines. That's a powerful engine for a car that doesn't weigh anything. Well, yes, because it weighs wet. 2,579 pounds. Wow. Wet. Crazy lightweight. But again, it's because Morgan is such a low-volume manufacturer.

They don't have to comply with certain regulations. And so, like, they're able to make these cars. So you'll die in one. Well, yes. Of course. You can die in any car. But it's zero to 16, four seconds, 165-mile-hour top speed. Not huge donors, but for Morgan.

Tell us about the transmission. Yeah. Automatic only. They're not doing a stick at all. Not doing a manual for this. Isn't the whole point of this car that like it's an, like the type of people buying this are like old school analog type of dudes are getting older. Yeah, but why would you buy one of these if you can't get a manual?

I agree. It's about the experience. Isn't the whole thing about the experience? Like, I could get it Cayman anywhere. Why did people swap automatic into first-gen vipers? Because they can't drive a manual anymore. Who does automatic? There are a few.

Seven and there are five of them are for drag racing. And two of them are for amputees. Got nothing to do with this. Right, he's over here saying they're all in Maddox. Anyway, the feet food is swapping them in an afternoon with a couple of cold ones. But the thing, yeah, they're saying they're going to try, I would imagine, to produce 850 of these a year. And they only produce about, or they're going to produce 200 years. They only produce 850 cars total a year.

Well, I mean, we don't know what else in their lineup. Oh, I do. So they're also, so they're doing this. They also are doing a four-cylinder version, too. And guess which one we're getting in the United States? The four-cylinder. We're not getting the six cylinder. They're not going to sell it at least for now.

I can't believe they're even going to attempt to sell this here at all. Allegedly they are trying. They spent millions and millions to get the four-cyl one compliant with U.S. regulations. But the B-FECD is here in $30 trillion. I understand, but evidently they're struggling to do it. What's the four-silner? What do you mean? What engine is in a four-cylinder?

Also BMW to recharge four-cylinder. He doesn't know that. It's a one-bend engine code he doesn't know. Who gives a-care? He doesn't get into $6-shund. He doesn't get at a four-cylinder. No. But anyway, so the price if it were to be sold in the U.S. would be $131,000.

$131 U.S. for a four-cylinder BMW-powered automatic car. I could get a Z4 for like 60. For this one, it will be less. For this one, if it were to sell here, that's what they're saying. If they get it here, that's what it will sell for. That's like equivalent it'll sell in the U.S. Inexplicable how much I would not buy this car. Inexplicable.

If it had three pedals and a six-cylinder, and by six-cylinder, I mean turbo V8, I would consider it, but it don't. So you consider the previous super sport is what you're saying. Oh, yeah. And as you know, I went to the dealer several times, drove them, ultimately landed on a competitor. Okay, move on to the next news story. This is not really an editor. 200 cars a year. Yes.

So Porsche has, we've been saying that a lot of manufacturers are rolling back to them. That doesn't mean they've stopped. No, they're recently spotted testing their EV-Kyan coop. So, like, yes, they might be saying that they are going to be making gasoline engines for a long time. Does not mean that development has stopped on EVs. I've told everybody that although we're seeing this, it's a stop gap. EVs seem to be the way things are going, but right now they're just not there yet. And it seems that Porsche is committing to that with their more utilitarian vehicles.

I'm excited for this to look identical to the current. No, if that's it, it's not going to look identical to the current. I know. I don't know what this is, I guess the non-coup, but if that's what it is, then it's not going to look like the Kyan. But somehow it will. Because every Kion is looked identical. You know, the Kyan is look identical. But the more of them I see, the more I'm like, that doesn't look any.

They've somehow made a car that both. simultaneously looks like the car and doesn't. Which is impressive. Which is also the new G-Wagon. I remember when they revealed the G-Wagon in 18, I was like, that looks just like the old one. And now whatever I see when I'm like, that doesn't look a thing like the old one.

What are you thinking? You can't tell the G-Wagon apart. Of course I can. That's what I can. You can't. My wife cannot. Okay. All right.

This is a lot of news to digest, folks. I hope you figured it all out. Right. There's one more piece of news. Oh, God. This one I like. So again, Formula One starts this weekend. There's a lot of hype.

building up to, and one of the things is that Lewis Hamilton posted a video today on his Instagram, we filmed this today on his Instagram, and it's on YouTube too, where Paramount Pictures spliced him into the Ferris Bueller movie, like, perfectly. It evidently he was a big fan of the movie. It's my favorite movie. Oh, he's the garage attendant? He's the garage attendant, yeah. So he does the whole thing. He says, do you speak? He goes, what country do you think this is? And, like, does that whole thing, and drives off in the car. And they did, I mean...

Zoom up to where he drives off in the car. They did a masterful job of it, but here's him get... I mean, look how perfect that is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's talking to Cameron, and he's getting in the car, and camera goes, remember when would Cameron crash that Rivian a couple of weeks ago? Yeah. You don't have anything to worry about.

I'm a professional. Keep going, keep going. Arrow us forward here. Oh, there he takes the car off. Takes the, yeah. Let's see him do the jump, or do they not do it? They do the jump, and they did the jump with the actor who plays. Oh, look at it.

So, look at that. Go back one. Pause it. I know it's not. Sob 900. Yep. Look at the Chicago and the, what? 88.

Price or laser. Here's a photo. And imagine seeing a long, a long wheel based California spider driving down the street. Fake or not, yeah, exactly. Imagine. But, yep, here's the legendary scene

where they're doing the jump. And they, so Lewis Hamilton, Ferrari wanted to be part of this. The car was, like, famously a fake. Yeah, exactly. But they wanted, yeah. They were cool. Yeah, exactly.

They wanted him to be in it. Lewis is passionate about it. So it's a fun way for them to, like, get kind of hyped up for the weekend, I think. But it's masterfully done. Yeah. like really, really well. When I think about Ferrari, I think about season and the sis letters

to somebody that tries this. They might have a... But no, Lewis Hamilton comes to the team and guess what? He can do whatever he wants. Including wear that cloak and live in Inzo's house. Okay. Time for the talk car segment. The talk car segment, of course, he's brought to you by Felipe's mug.

It was full. It is now emptied. It is cleaned between every single coffee. If it was him, though. He leaves them on his dust. They coagular. Okay, I want to talk about something. Yesterday we got a, last week we got a question.

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Toyota Land Cruiser. This is like the rallying cry of like American, like 22-year-old car enthusiast who thinks he knows about analog. You know, this is the, oh, we want a 70-series. They give us all this stuff. It's so expensive with all this tech. We just won a 70-series. No, you don't.

You want a forerunner. That's my. that's my well here they're going to take fault apart where does it take fall apart can tell them well I want a 70s okay why

because I drove them for a month in southern Africa but why I drove it really hard because it was reliable simple and easy simple wrong wrong reason why don't you pull up the Australian pricing of the 70s

I'm just kind of curious what it costs Australian price well that's where they that's where people talk about them coming from I don't know you want to look up Venezuelan pricing can you read Venezuelan you know everybody always says like here

the 70 series should be sold in America because it's this bare bones work truck, and it'd be so cool to just have only the basics. It's a cheap 30 grand work truck. This truck is not 30 grand in any market where it is conceptualized or sold. How do they charge that much? Because that's what it costs to make a vehicle. The Americans have this concept that we're getting screwed on 70-series land cruisers

because they're selling them for $14,000 in other markets. They are tremendously expensive cars overseas. They cost the same as a $4,000. And by the way, you know what the forerunner is? Durable, simple, and reliable. Like it always has been. I can fix that with a hammer. You can't fix a four-gen

for a runner with halogen headlights and no screen. You can fix it for 12 years. You can fix it with a hammer. You can fix it by looking at it and asking it nicely to be fixed. There's a reason when I was out there, all I saw on the road, all I saw were because they don't have the four. They don't have the four. That's the reason. The forerunner is sold here, and everybody's like, we want the 70 series? Okay, fine. You want the 70 series?

to get this to comply with U.S. regs would add another 10 grand to the price. But let's pretend it didn't even have to comply. You're spending, what was it, 52 grand? For a worse vehicle. Pull up a picture of a 70-series interior. You know, this doesn't have side airbags. This is not a safe or rational car. A four-runner is objectively better vehicle.

But it is objectively better in every single way. Look at this one. Click on this one. Look at this. This is like, and everybody's like, it's old school. I love old school. Okay, we'll spend 20% more for a worse car. No one would actually do it.

That's the thing about the 70s. Here's what I think it reveals. It reveals that people want cars that look rugged and simple and are maybe okay at some point accepting like a very simple interior, which is also why the... No one would buy this car. Of course not. Which is also why the chimney is as popular as it is.

It's like it kind of did that, right? The chimney is more interesting. Simple interior. Because the gymni... And that's what people actually think this is. They're wrong about what it is. They're wrong about what it is. But that's what they think it is.

If you talk to any American, if you go, communities of people who just sort of get their news from word of mouth, they will tell you that Toyota is screwing us by not offering a land cruiser in the U.S. that is bare bones and $30,000. The truth of the matter is, they are giving us the forerunner, which is a gift, because if they were giving us this instead, it would be thousands of dollars more.

By the way, none of the people who are complaining about this would ever buy any of these vehicles new. And the 70 series is worse. But image matters so much. And I think this reveals that people want the image. People want to feel like they're in Safari. And you know what? Want to feel that way. Anybody who loves the 70 series, if they want to talk image, let's talk image.

Let's admit that what they really want is the image of a basic off-rower. And that's why you buy it in his grandeur. The reason why, I mean, look, if I could get, the 70 series are also important, but you can get it. Yeah, now you can. The difference was the reason why I genuinely, well, there are a lot of reasons why I haven't genuinely pursued it. But the big one is, like, I remember driving around in Africa looking at animals. the most, like, way out in the savannah, I poured water up to the windshield,

I did all the things you do with a land cruiser. What am I going to do here? Drive around the desert and look at guys and raptors, like crashing? Like, it's not the same. Like, the point was it made sense in the context where I wanted to use it, which is in Africa. You know what you could get? A forer can do both.

Why don't... For less money! Yeah, but the 70 series is just straight up cooler. Yeah, exactly. Because we can't have. And so I think it's finally time for all the people who talk about the bare-bone 70 series, how great it is,

to finally admit. and you can admit it in the comments that what you really want is the image of a 70 series. You don't actually want the bare bones truck. You don't actually want the strip down interior. You want something that looks like you're a mountain mare. Yes, of course. I'm like this is a Savannah man, but... Why do you think people make...

I'm looking at a first-gen, Kyan Trans-Siberia. Why do people make replicas of that? Because what they want is the image of a Trans-Siberia. But what people talk about is they want a basic car they can work on with a hammer. That's what they say. They would never work on their car. But what they actually want is not that. Because they were given that in the form of the 50s.

trend for one. By the way, a lot of those people did buy it. There are people who realized this. It was for sale for 15 years, yeah. The point is, the 70 series is absolutely not the vehicle you want. You want a forerunner and you should go get one new or old because they're both great. Or save your money, just go to go on an African vacation and run to 70 series. Like I didn't have the true experience for a lot. That is safe for money. Go to go to Africa for three weeks. Go on Safari. You don't need a car. $25,000. When you come back, you walk. You have a car already. You want to have the 70 series experience? Go do it out there.

You sell your car and spend two weeks in Africa. That is Kennan's top tip for the day. That's my hot take. Okay, we have a couple more talk cars segments we've got to get through. Starting with the Cars and Bids Adventure Cars. Go to them, please. Tell us about them. A Kyan Turbo and a Etherd NM-5 that are both live on Cars and Beds,

that are the cars that you saw drive in our little Desert Adventure series. Okay, so the Desert Adventure Series we did months ago. I don't know why we're only selling these cars now. on the site, you can buy them, and they're available. They're sitting right over there. No reserve. There's no reserve. We want them out of here.

We want them out of here. I also want to be really clear. These are cars that we drove fairly long distances that also have a lot of flaws. I want us to be really transparent about that. Oh, yeah. We bought cars, Doug raced them in the desert. I went through the E-39 myself and wrote this list of flaws. I'm sure there are other ones that I can probably find, too.

Wow. What is, okay, can we find the most ridiculous? Yeah, the center support bearing clinking. on drive away, quite a sentence. It's... Center support bring is a part that supports the drive shaft and is worn, and it clinks when it fails. How about wear on interior touchpoints?

That's just a car. Well, that's just general. Some of these are general ones that we normally put in them in there. There's wear on the steering wheel. There's wear on the seats. There's where on the shifter. There's where, you know, the normal... Good news said there's various chips and scratches throughout, but especially on the driver's

front fender. Why, Doug? There's a smooth-brained, knuckle-dragging troglodyite. Put his shoes in there. It wasn't Matt. It was you. I stood on one of the cars or all the cars. I have a photograph of...

I lost my mind. I think I struck it. You went over a TV with it. You drove over a TV with this car. At a quarter of a mile an hour. I didn't drive over a TV with a... It was a flat screen that was in a place that you decided to film. What's next, Kenan?

You're going to run over a whole movie theater with it? Good one. If you want either of the cars, please go watch the video so you see how they perform. You see that the Kyan won a lot of. I will say that 5-1-9. You can go watch all that and then go bed and buy it. Yes, and by the way, plastic tour.

Kaya and fuel gauge doesn't work. Look, a lot of stuff's broken. We bought these cars because we had a filming schedule and we had to buy them like the weekend before. You don't go thinking that because we had these cars, there's something. No, we'd be very clear. But you can have a part of filming history. Sorry. A video history.

Yep. Well. Okay. Kenan, tell us about Amelia Island. Yes. So I went to the Amelia and Concour de la or The Amelia, as it's known, and it got rained out on Sunday.

They had to push everything forward to Saturday. The main event got rained out? Yes, I mean, and it was a deluge. It was a ton of rain. So it's a good thing they moved it. There were Delahaye's there. It was, it has lost the magic from when it once was, in my opinion. Like, it feels a lot more corporatized.

It feels like not as, when I used to go, it was like there was always a sense of like it was really, really, really special. And it was also like, you could walk up to anybody until everybody had their guard down. It wasn't Pebble Beach where it is really cutthroat and really strict. And there's a lot of pressure for your car to succeed because you've spent millions of dollars getting it prepared. And people have done the same thing with these cars, but it's a little bit more relaxed. It used to be the first Concord event of the year of the season and people were really, really excited.

This just did not feel that way this time around. And it hasn't for the last three. And the cars, the other issue is that there's now another event that is the week that precedes. it called Moda, and that has split audiences between people or the other have to pick to go to one or the other, or they have to stay in Florida the entire time. I talked to somebody who went there as a dealer, who

we know, Matt Ivanhoe, went to Mota, because he asked him for business, had to go back to his house to celebrate his daughter's birthday, went back to Amelia Island and then back to his house again. That seems like a better. The incinetic. Yeah, that sounds like a normal week. So what do we do? It's tough.

Yeah. For, I mean, sure, a normal week, but for the same thing. Yeah, no, it's So what are you going to do? Well, I've heard rumblings that one of the auctions may or may not be moving to Moda next year. And if that is true, then Ameliaan is done for me. Oh, wow. You know, I haven't been to a million years, but God, I loved it. It was wonderful.

Yeah, you were there when it was still good. I saw you wearing a suit. Rare. I judged an event. I judged an event. I've seen dog wearing a suit twice. My wedding was the other time. That was a nice day.

It was in Baltimore. It was hot. I made him buy it. Set him a wink. I had to bring a tie to our friend Sam. I had to bring him a spare tie because I knew he would forget for a friend Sam's wedding. Well, forget.

I mean, who wears a tie to a wedding? Anyway, the point, it's not a funeral. It was pink. I did it on God's sake. Anyway, the point is, Amelia, did you see cars? You see a 9-11 GT1? I did see a competition GT1.

That was there. NARC spider. What was your favorite car that you saw? Ah, I finally have seen one. I've waited to check this car for a long time, but I finally saw a Sterling Moss. an SLR's still in a month Finally open roof

Open roof that wasn't being driven around in the deluge right? Yep exactly No that thing was on truck and long gone by the time the rain came as most cars were But it was cool see the doors go off and the guy like drive it to it It won an award and drove up to an accepted award and stuff like that There was a low body card Weirdest weirdest car Yes most obscure Mercedes

But I did see a low body Kuntosh There were some things that were cool but like It just not enough Not enough the showing was not new as good as it has been in the past Really? And the Cars and Coffee event, which is what I like to see. A lot of people bring their own cars, and you pay to do this, by the way. That event just got straight up canceled.

And so it was Radwood was there. And so you got to do that, which was cool. And one of our co-workers actually won an award with her Mitsubishi FTO, which was sick. But the Cars and Coffee event didn't happen. So like... Yeah. And it just, like, it gets more and more expensive every year. And it just is more and more tied down.

There's more red tape around it. And this happens with most events, to be honest with you. It was like palpable compared to where I started. This is my eighth one. And so it was better to be. That's sad. That's how I feel about it. And I was not alone in that feeling. Well, I got to go back and decide for myself.

Or go to the other. Or, yeah, get you to flow. I did have a couple. Yeah, I'm not going to do it. I also will say thank you to everybody who came up and, like, said hello. It was really nice. People really like listening the podcast. And thank you, Daniel, for the old-fashioned.

That was very kind. But it was, it was, it's always nice to run into people. I like going because I know people in the industry. Yeah, you actually enjoy talking to people. Do people come up to you and ask? ski 3 and 5 questions? Sometimes. Yeah, sometimes.

Yeah, but people, yeah, there are the ones. People have asked about both of you. My line with you was, I would have brought Doug, but he doesn't fit very well into my luggage, so I couldn't bring him to this one.

How sweet. Yeah, I don't travel. Okay, we got to do our last talk car segment, which is the photo shoot. Can you go to it? Now, we talked about this last week. We took my cars out to the beach for a photo shoot,

and we drove them on the beach, which was odd. I want to just shout out the photographer, Frank. Frank takes a lot of pictures that cars on cars and bids, And he took these pictures. His Instagram is the photographer's garage,

and he is one of the greatest living automotive photographers. One of the great... I have three. I got Alex Penfold, Robert Grubbs, who's also around here and took photos of my cars and we posted on Instagram, and then Frank. Frank is a genius, as you can see from this photo. Now, Felipe will put the 4-D-T photo that he took.

Go to the next one. Look at that G-Wagon. There we took the G-Wagon out, which is probably a good thing. Yeah. Probably, just the sports cars. This is real, Philippe. This is real. I was there.

We took these pictures in Meth Central. It's where I ran over the TV. Surprise. Yeah. We need those to say we didn't run over any TVs on this day. No, did we not? Go to the last picture. There's some good stuff here.

There's a lot of different angles and shots and shoots, but there's some good stuff here. And Frank, a huge, huge shout out to Frank, one of the most gifted photographers this side of a camera. Go back to the world. This side of a DSLR. to the other one?

Man, there's one that's slightly different that I like better. This is a great image. It's a great image. This is Frank's, this is like the, when you think of Frank and dream of Frank, this is what you think his talents will be used for.

Am I being blamed for parking the Ford GT too far forward? No, because there's other angles where the GT is more visible, like the next one. The next one, it's fully visible. I just prefer, I like the shot with the G-Cab because it adds a little humor to the whole thing.

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To download it, you do something. We don't have time to tell you. I don't know. I don't know what you do. We got to move on. Okay. Okay, we got to talk F-355. Pull it up.

Folks. Yes. I'm not even talking about closed auctions today because there's two cars that we have to talk about. This is one of the great auctions we've ever run. Someone submits this to us. This is a Euromarket F-355 GTS stick, which is one of the most desirable Ferraris in the recent years. It has had a huge come up. Well, not only that.

It's blue. It's an unusual color. It's a very special color. So here we have all the great benefits. Euromarket 355 GTS, the most desirable body style, stick, gated manual, blue. I mean, it's like everything you want. However, this has this car. has a Mississippi flood title.

Yeah. And it's located in Mississippi. Yeah. And so God knows. And it's no reserve, by the way. And I think this is one of the most exciting auctions we've ever run in our entire history of running auctions. Such a desirable car. Who knows what's going to happen with a flood time?

I commented, I think this auction has everything. It's got this gated manual Ferrari, special colored GTS, flood title, no reserve. Mississippi is involved. This is it. This is it. This is it. Now, seller claims car runs. I mean, he drives. He's got videos. Who knows? You know, I mean, it was in a flood. It's the, all he replaced the fuse box. He said that's all it needed. Who knows? There's no pictures of it flooded. There's, you know, there's no accounting of it. Generally speaking, flooded cars, the person who owns and wants it totaled out immediately because they don't want to screw with that stuff. It either gives the opportunity for an amazing bargain to someone or a lifetime of headaches. And that's the dice. you're making with this car, and I love it. Well, an F3-55, as I can attest, is a lifetime event, regardless of whether it's perfect or not.

But this is a really compelling, like, opportunity to own what is an incredibly desirable car. We googled the VIN, and there's pictures from, like, the insurance auction after it dried out. It's hard to tell. It doesn't look like it had been underwater. Certainly the whole car wasn't. The fusebox was replaced which is in the passenger foot well,

low in the car. Like, it could have gotten only a foot of water and damaged that. Even then, we felt the carpets didn't look like they had been submerged. But if you're the owner of a 355, that gets any amount of water. Yeah, you would also want to just get the insurance money. This is your opportunity to get a retail payout for the car. Yes. Unless you have Doug do a video on yours, that is your opportunity.

This is a complete variable car, but I got to say, I'm sitting there thinking, I want this thing. Like, I want to throw all the die. I said it to Hoovey and I was like, dude, you got to buy this because. This is you. This is just you. Like, this is the best version of this really cool and special car, but also the worst. Like, nobody knows, and this is you, Hoovie.

You've got a bonus thing. And I see the high bid is 699420, and so I assume Hoovie is the high bidder at the current moment. Are you going to bid? I'm not going to bid. Curam bit is not Hovieve is now. I told Hovie to get out on this. He better. Anyway.

Quite a desirable car. Where do you think this ends up? I mean, nice ones, non-flood are $300, 250. For, for... Yeah, euros. Euros are a little less, but not. I mean, but they aren't often blue. But also, people don't care as much about GTSs when it comes to Euros,

because finding a stick GTS is hard enough. The Euro thing is like less of a deal now, especially because they're 25 and you can drive them anywhere. Except California. You know, Montana, nobody cares. Right, right. But I don't know. I still get a feeling,

I was saying yesterday that I expected brings in the 80s. Oh, my God, I buy 80s now. I think it's going to crest 100,000. I think it's such an unknown, though. I know, exactly. But like, a good one is 2.4. 5.5 times more expensive. Right.

And you don't get blue. So like, I suspect it's a driver. You ever wanted to drive one? You can. Here's an opportunity. The good ones you're also buying with some expectation of appreciation. And how long do you have to wait for a flex title card

to appreciate it? I don't know. Is a stick gated GTS that at 250 really got a lot of legs? I mean, there just aren't that a lot of them burned to the ground. One. Maybe if there's like water. They aren't common.

Like the Brunietta, which is the most beautiful we can agree, and the spider least desirable, but the most, like, it's absolutely built the most of them. They're around. GTSs just aren't common. GTSs in a cool color, this, I'm telling you, this has it all. This is one of the most interesting options you've ever run

if you follow cars like this, it's very interesting. Now, on the subject of Ferraris. Yes. Now, if you want, so this one, a driver. You want one that's a mentor? There's another one that we have on the site that is unbelievable. So I flew to Dallas to see this car. And if you get kind of fly to Texas, you're like,

If I'm not seeing my relatives, you're asking a lot. And so this car, 1988-3-8 GTSI. Now, you recently drove a 1982-3-G-T-Si. Wonderful little car drive. Yours had, like, tons of miles, a driver, real driver. This one, I cannot describe you how perfect this car was. Have you looked at the pictures? No, I have.

Go to the interior picture. I mean, it's beautiful on the outside. It should be mentioned. It's only 1,200 miles. Yeah, so 1,000, yeah, I had, I think when I left it was 1,000-25 when I left it, but still, like, yeah, right around me. So the exterior is beautiful. The car's in perfect shape, et cetera, but the interior, because the thing about 308s, people going to look at this, people who don't know that well, are going to look to say, oh,

it's a Ferrari, of course it's nicely kept. But the thing about 308s is a lot of them were used. So it's very rare that you see a really nice 308 interior. I've never seen anything like this. I've, I haven't either. I've seen a lot of 308. I mean, to your point, they built over 10,000 of these cars. It was a very successful car for Ferrari. And it's been for a long time, the most affordable good

Ferrari. And so if you wanted to buy a good Ferrari and use it, you got freeway. And then, so then the seats got creased. Not this one. Like, I, you know how picky I am. I went around this car with a magnifying glass looking for stuff. And I'm not just saying this because it's on the site. I'm saying this like as an academic. I could not find anything that was wrong with it.

It's keep going. It's unbelievable. It really is unbelievable. I did a video on this which you can go and watch on the Cars and Bids YouTube channel. And a lot of people said, I can't stand the cars that aren't driven. And it's like, well, I get that too. But like, the reality of this car is, is that like, it's nice to have ones that are preserved exactly as they left. And there are many 308s.

You know, I get when people say that about everything. F40s because every F40 is preserved like that. I honestly think that this car is maybe more special in a lot of ways than a regular 308 because there aren't any like this. When I had my NAS defender I drove the crap out of it and I off-rooted it and went through puddles and it had gone the sand. But when

a perfect one would come up, I would be so excited because it's like, wow, here's an example of how this car was OE. They don't exist anymore. That wasn't how people did this. No, exactly. It's so cool to do this. This car's background is fascinating because it was owned by a guy who had a successful computer company on Long Island, donated it to the Watkins Glen Racing Museum

and it sat there forever until it was raffled off. A woman won this car for a hundred bucks and then she didn't know what to do with it because it had no miles. When was this? When did she win it? This was like 2007, I think 2008. I mentioned it somewhere else. I mentioned it in the listing somewhere.

So what did she do? Yeah, so here's the history. So then, or it was 2013. 13 she rave. So then she sold it to somebody who then sold it to the current owners had the car for the last 10 years. But this car was also like, again, the other things about this car

real quick, just to point out, it has Classy K certification, which no 3-0-8. Very rare for a 3-O-8. It's very expensive and hard to do because you have to go to a Classic K dealer. They take hundreds of pictures of the car. You take stuff apart to take pictures of it. They send it to the factory. If they need more pictures, you have to bring the car back,

they've got to do it again. And then all of that goes to the factory. They pull your file out of the archives because Ferrari has all, every car has a file. They pull it out, check everything against that, and only then can you get Classics K certification, which I found out, Pierro Ferrari still signs all of those documents himself. Pierro does?

Yeah, which this car is. Has. Enzo's son. Enzo's son. Wow. But this car has it. It's just crazy rare on these cars. And it's genuinely, I know the driver ones are what we like normally, but I wanted to experience what the hell is this thing like new?

And it was sublime. It still drove great. It was still a lot of fun. It turned me on it. Like, I would definitely consider like even a GTSI. I am. I will say, I'm very curious where it ends up in terms of pricing. Not a lot of comps.

No, not none. Like, none. Because it's an incredibly low, it's a really desirable version of. of like kind of the lowest version 308, because everybody wants a veteran zina, the carbureted fiberglass cars, or they want a QV. They don't often gravitate toward this model,

but you will not find another one that's like in this condition. It's the nicest one, period. It is, it is the nicest one. But maybe the not most desired. I put five miles on it. I felt so guilty, but it was so good. I know. Same with the Intiminator Monte Carlo.

Yes, I also put three miles on that. I drove that around and I was like, oh, my God. And I actually have to take it back outside because I forgot to shoot B-roll, and I'm like, oh, God. Yeah, put four more miles on it. And by four, I mean one. Maybe I'll shoot in the alley.

Last thing I understand, this is an incredible car. The other one is, dude. I want to talk 9-8-1, because you get that on here and we should discuss it. Pull up, just type in 9-8-1. Either go through boxes. No, no, just type in 9-8-1, because it's interesting to look at. I, all right, 9-86 boxers, which is the first-generation boxer, are 7 to 12 grand. Yeah, like the nicest ones.

I have long hoped that the 9-8-1 boxers, which is like the most, you know, modern pre-fourthilnder boxer would come down in price. Yeah. And they haven't. It is. I disagree with your take on this. Go back up.

Go back up. Not enough. No, no, no, no. To that black ones, 23. I know. That was a specific example. But that's the lowest one we've sold.

Super base wheels. What's the, what's the, yeah, it's Nicki Mina. Oh, 114. And I think, there was some story there. I care about what it was. This is what happens to Porsche's.

They depreciate slowly. It's not depreciate. I know, but I want to appreciate quickly. I want one. Because I want one. And I feel like it should depreciate faster than it is depreciating. The thing about it is, here's the thing about it.

There's a couple reasons it's not gonna. Number one, the turboflat 4 was not more desirable. The 718 boxers, cameraster. Number two, it's a pretty modern car. The tech is pretty modern, so there's still desirability. And number three, like, 987.2s aren't really losing a lot of value either. Like, there's not a lot of room for this thing to decline much. It's annoying.

But, but, but for the 19th time. The whole thing, the benefit of a car that isn't appreciating quickly is that you can buy it and sell it without losing much money in it. Felipe, he only thinks about purchase price. He only thinks about purchase price. Something could be, something could be 10 grand and he loses the whole thing.

And he's like, yeah, but it's only 10 grand. Meanwhile, I spend a million dollars on a car, sell it for a million dollars, lose nothing in a better position. And Felipe's over here like, yeah, but you had to spend a million dollars. It wasn't spent.

Well, there's an opportunity cost that you're not mentioned. You lost the 10 grand. I've never lost 10 grand. Would you just buy the car? I may be not sure. I just want it to be a little bit cheaper than they are. For a little while, they were falling right after COVID. Like in the last two years, they've been falling.

They haven't kept going. I am actually doing a video on Best Performance Car Bargans right now, and I'm putting this car in the last car. Wow, with the opposite. Because I think if, look at the last two. Go back, look at the last two. PDK. Both around 30.

It's a PDK, but PDK is a great transmission. I know, but I want a manuals are not dramatically more expensive. If you look, click on lowest price. 10 grand. That one's $23,000. Well, that one was like, there's a 23rd price. manuals are selling $23,000. There's one for $25.

There's one for $25. They're not dramatically more because the market likes PDK. It doesn't love PDK the same way it loves them. But these cars are not that much more expensive. That's the color, by the way. Put good wheels on that car. I regretted not being on that car. That is the dream.

That is the launch spec. Very close to bidding on that car. Good Lord. The side of the red steering wheel was a bit much for me, but I came really close. No, this is the dream. I know people like that. When I worked at Porsche, I ordered her. one just like this.

And a red top. Yeah. This was the launch color. Like he said, yeah. But, ugh. The point is. Kenneth and I drove 9-81, a 9-1-Boster base tip. And the chassis was so good.

Chassis is so good. For the money, this is a really desirable car. I dream of a spider. But I want to be like 20. The spider's great, but a regular is pretty good to work. They could get an S. Okay. We have to move on to questions.

We have to. The questions segment today is very good because I've, again, I've decided to stop answering only the highest-cloded questions, which led to a lot of the same people asking questions the moment we posted the thing. I think you've explained this three weeks in a row. We're good. No, it's important because people still complain. And now I've only decided to answer the best questions. And the most controversial. Those are the ones I like the best.

You do like controversy. And Kenan, there's some great questions this week. I have questions for all of us. Okay. First question from Too Slow for you. Doug, I work in the automotive industry. Someone I worked, where we used to work with you at Porsche, they told me you ordered a bunch of manual cayens and came in ours without air conditioning for the press fleet and then left the country is company, country too? Is that true?

You ordered a bunch of manual cayens and CaymanRs without air conditioning for the press fleet and then left the company. Is that true? Well, first of all, I've told this story like a bunch of times in videos. You couldn't order manual cayenne without air conditioning. So that's obviously not true. Although the guy who was the head of PR at the time, Nick Torque, who now works at Lucid, he ordered a manual cayenne for the press fleet. That was his decision. It was brilliant, and I'm glad he did it.

The CaymanR incident was indeed true. I didn't leave the company right after, but I was given the order sheet. I still remember it to this day by the PR department for the press fleet of the KM&Rs. And they had listed all the option. It was a spreadsheet. They had listed all the option codes and listed what all the options were. But they did not list the option code for air conditioning. They just wrote air conditioning.

And I, ordering the car, just went down the list of the option codes because that's how you order the car. And I just didn't, I mean, it was my mistake, but also kind of their mistake. We both owned up to it. The result was seven KM&Rs without air conditioning were made. Peridot, high spec cars. PCC, like every option but no AC. And needless to say, those cars were hard to put down. But it was not entirely my fault.

It was, I think it was a 50-50 fault issue between me and the PR people. I don't know why they left off the air conditioning option code and put on every other one. And I should have read it a little closer and seen it. Probably the car shouldn't have been built like that either. And also, I used to print off the build sheet and hand them to the PR people every time I'd build the car.

So I think that they got the build sheet, but they probably just assumed AC was on the car, which would have been a good assumption. Because typically to delete it, that was its own option and not to add it. But either way, I didn't leave the company right after. And honestly, the cars were pretty well received. The real problem was when the press fleet was done,

we had to figure out where to sell them. And that's harder. But there's like 10 or 12 Peridot came in ours out there. High spec came in ours with no AC. And if you have one of those, you have a former press car, which Motor Trend would have loved when they waited. A lighter car excepted at every BF on. But honestly, if you have one of those, reach out

because we'd love to know where they go. We send them all to the Northwest. Surprise, surprise. San Francisco, Seattle, Portland. We sent them all to the Northwest, but even then, they were probably tough sales. And, of course, that was 13 years ago. Kamanar was 2004. Color is a tough sell on its own.

Yeah, I think they were all parado. There may have been some non-parado cars, but they were all no AC. Can you pull up? A car of that color? A car of that. Came in our parado? Yeah, I think we have. Nope.

No, I guess not. Okay, next question. Next question. Oh, this is a good one. From Luke 20. Oh, look at that. I actually do love the color. For that car specifically, I love it less on kind.

which do exist These are the right wheel These are the right wheel Oh look at this in front of a In front of a It should not be there No it should not be in front of That's the wrong car for that

Whatever house of the British or Either I can't speak anymore Whatever castle this is Okay anyway Whatever grade two listed They were like oh this looks cool Okay Luke 26 says

Since we're on the theme of Canon ranking things Oh Kenon can you rank the BMW M5 Generations no problem. Yes, I think I've done this before, but E39 is at the top. E39's top, greed.

Big surprise. Yep. Let's say F10M5 is next. What? I like that. I approve. Manual. That's kind of proper.

E60? No, no, no. E-28. E-60 is even more unreliable than all the other. The E-60 would be the greatest, but they're ludicrously unreliable. I'm not factoring in reliability. You should. I'm factoring in goodness, dude.

Yeah, and goodness includes, can you drive it. Yeah, we can't often drive it. No, you can't often drive it. No, you can't often. drive it and it's not that great as a paperweight. I would put it a year. The E6.m5 would be the perfect car for someone like me who's gone for the summer because during that

quarter of the year, I can have the car fixed and then I can use it for the remaining three quarters of the year. It won't be enough. I'm telling you, dude. It won't be enough. I love the E60 M5 a lot. I've driven a ton. But I've always considered to be the M3 of M.

The chassis is amazing, but you have to rev that engine super high because it doesn't really have any torque. It's all about horsepower. It's a traditional M engine actually is. But the reason I like the F10 is just, it has the torque. You put the F10 second. Okay, fine. It's a stick.

Yeah. So, E39, F10, E60. Yeah. I would then say probably, that's where it gets hard. It doesn't get hard. I don't know. The black one with a beige interior. Black one with a Vasion Terrier.

Oh, the E28. Yeah, yeah, the E28. I've never driven an E28. I have, and it should be next. It should be after the E3.9 on your list. Okay, fine. We'll put E28 then. Then I would probably say...

No, he put E34 next by... By V4's laugh, my friend. Well... Oh, because he doesn't like the new... I know, Kevin. I actually like the G90, but that's probably the last... G90 is the newest one. Yeah, that's the current one.

F90 is the one before. F90 was the... Yes, yeah. That's your list. So, E39... I think E34 just... I'd rather have an E-34, would I rather have an F-90. Yeah, that's a question.

You would rather have a... I think I'd rather have the E-34 because of the M-304 because of the M-3-3-4 because of the manual. I know you. I know you. Here's the correct answer. No, I... So, E39.

Here's the correct answer. E39, E60, E28. No, wait. I'm sorry. E39, E60, F10, E28. F90. No, I'm sorry, G90. Newest one first.

Yeah, that's great. F90, then E34. Swap that, swap that around. E34 is just too plastic and doesn't. It's got a great scream in 386. And it looks good. It's the best looking. Except for maybe F10.

Maybe 39. And the words of Richard Hammond, there's never been a bad M5. It's worth pointing out, by the way, when we do these rankings, people write to us, they're so mad. We're ranking in the great sphere of cars that's like this, we're ranking cars up here. I would take any M5 that I just mentioned over any car Felipe has ever even thought about owning. So true.

Yeah, that's true. Except for maybe D-34. I've thought about owning some good cars. No, I don't think you have. Not seriously. Automatic C7 doesn't count. Okay. Maybe the problem is you're also asking me on the spot.

This is the last time I'm ever going to answer a question like this to be clear. You did a good job, I think. I think your list is pretty good. Because it's very hard and I often will then think about it and go back on it. Like the V8 Ferrari thing, I would so much rather a 348 than a 488. Your list here is pretty, I mean, I think it's pretty legit. The F10 and the E6 did you go back and forth because the V10 is godly, especially at like really big speed. It is amazing.

Okay. But anyway, but they're all good. They're all good. Some of them are great. Move on to the next. For me, the great ones are the first four. No, we've already deleted the list. But, oh, E390, E6, the F10E28.

Frankly, I would take any one of those four and happily drive it and love everything. And also, G90, I like to. And F90, and E34. Okay, next question from O.P. Starfish. Ooh. Great user. Do you think that modern day race cars will ever have the value of vintage racers, or are they too specialized and hard to maintain to command the 40 million plus plus inflation value

at the vintage cars command. I don't know how you feel, but I think modern race cars will never even come close to getting to the level of vintage race cars. I agree with that with the exception of, like, Lewis Hamilton's, like, championship money by the one that he won. Like, like,

different. There are specific ones, specific chassis that will be very valuable. Will they, but like, the thing about the other, the thing about the cars from the 20th century is, like, that established the sport. Those were driven by legend. And so, like, those will always command, because regardless of what generation you're from,

if you're into Formula One, you respect like Senna's MP44 or is MP44. That's, it was Senes. I guess, however, what about Elaine Prost? Those cars, I mean, those cars aren't as respected. But you get my point, because you're saying Lewis over here. You're talking about Lewis over here, but like in 50 years, will people care?

Well, respect to Alain Prost, he won four world championships. It was not the greatest driver. successful driver in history, which is Lewis Hamilton. But my point is, you get my point. Like, in 50 years, there will probably be seven more greatest drivers in history. Does anybody even care about Vettel anymore? Yeah, of course. But you see what I'm

saying. Like, as these people get replaced, the Nigel Mansell car will not... Regardless, regardless, I think we're going down a rabbit hole because the purpose of the question is, will they have the same value? And maybe some of those will, but like, it is impossible to own a modern day race car. So there's the other thing

you hit on. Yeah, the... I mean, old Formula One cars are really hard to take care of anyway. It's specialized equipment that, especially with the real-old stuff, the engines, they're one engine for qualifying, one engine for racing. You know, I mean, but yeah, the cars are so complicated now with all the hybrid systems, and that technology ages instantly. Instantly. So. And they don't support it.

It's not like a road car where, like, you go on eBay and buy parts. Like, once the race car is done, they're done because they move on to the next racing technology. They're not sitting here trying to support, like, gentlemen racers who have these things as, as, as, as, as value appreciators in their garage. And some teams do a better job than that. You know, McLaren has a great Historic Division. Mercedes-Benz does too. They do keep spares around,

do keep the cars functional and take them to things and blah, blah, blah. But, like, if you're going to own it, like, yeah. I met somebody who has, like, all the Ferrari FXXX cars and, like, has all of the special of Aston Martins and all that stuff. And he said the F-1 cars he has are, like, just impossible to take care of, like, just... And to drive, honestly.

Like, that's the other thing. Whereas you can get into 250 GTO. It's a fairly simple car. And it is a tremendous. enjoyable experience. And I think those cars were, and because they were seminal in the creation of some of these

brands and sports, it will never be the same. It will never be the same. You're buying a car versus buying art. There's totally, right. The older race cars, even if we're based on cars, fundamentally.

Some of them were cars. Sure. Some of them were cars. You just drove them to the race. Current Formula 1 cars. Oh, not that at all. And also, there's like some, like, I think the race and drivers matters.

The company was also young Every company that built them was younger. And it was a specific group of people, not like a nameless corporation to some extent. Right. Which I think it's the case now. Yeah. You don't know. There is a little bit of whatever.

There is a little bit of that. That's a little bit of that. There is a little bit of that. Adrian Newey. But back in the day, Enzo was like watching the car go around LaM. Like you, if you have a 250LM, you know that Enzo was in the stands ready to like beat up the driver if he didn't finish third or better. Right. Yeah, exactly.

If there's an accent and the driver gets. gets killed, he goes, oh, that's a shame. What about the car? Like that, that was there was a special time in that period. Every vintage Ferrari, like I ever see, the road ones, it doesn't matter. It's like, Enzo is in the factory. Enzo licked it. And so licked it.

Okay. Next question, from S, we'll do two more. From S, which is sad because there's a lot more to do. It's a great question. From S. Galee 17, Doug, do you enjoy washing your vehicles or do you let Kenan handle that? I hate washing my cars more than anything in the entire world. I think it's one of the most boring, physically

demanding, annoying, difficult, awful things. And for me, it's Nirvana. I consider myself, I'm a driver. Kenan's a washer. No, I mean, I drive my car all the time. Kenan, like to clean his car. I like to drive my car. Let me tell you this.

I drive my car. I have one car drive it every day. We put it this way. If I got two hours, Kenon, he sets up a podcast and cleans, I set up a starter drive. You know what I'm saying? You tried so hard that. It didn't work. But my point is correct.

I drive my cars. I like getting them dirty and then getting them clean again. Cleaning it is very satisfying. And I do like cleaning your cars. It's fun. Kenan does clean it sometime. But now that my cars don't live here anymore,

my cars are now at my house because I built a garage for him. And so I have to clean them now. And it's incredibly annoying. Well, hey man. Do you ever clean a car? Yeah, rarely. He taught me how to in a video.

A first and only time. A great student. Thank you. First of all the time. Okay. Two more questions, but one is very quick. Mr. B.

Sean B, does Nick get any compensation for his videos on the Cars and Biz channel or is he doing this solely for fun? Yeah, we pay him. We pay Nick. Do we need to? I don't know. I'm not convinced. I think he would do it without payment, but the thing I've learned about Nick is any payment helps him justify it. So like this Bentley, he's going to lose a ton of money on this Bentley.

But we give him like five grand. And he'll lose like 20. But in his mind, he thinks that's even. Like, that's what Nick thinks is even. He's like, well, I've lost 20, but they gave me some cash. And, like, you know, it worked. It worked out. Like, that's how Nick thinks.

Nick is concerned with purchase price and selling price and cost of ownership. It doesn't really factor in, which is good for his situation. So true. Final question from Gwerin, Grini, Gwereri, Tom 40. In your guys' opinion, what makes a toxic car enthusiast? Hmm. I think the number one answer is gatekeeping. You can't be an enthusiast unless.

The most annoying thing. Oh, you have an automatic whatever? Well, that doesn't, you have a, you don't. You don't work on your own cars. You don't clean your cars. Well, then that doesn't go. You don't go to side shows. Although that, I think you shouldn't be a real enthusiast.

I do think that that is very toxic. I also don't love people that think they know more than they do. Oh, that's always a tough one. And boy, you can smell that in a second when someone doesn't know, like, exactly what they're talking about they act like that. Be open to learning. You don't have to pretend that you know everything, which I think goes to gatekeeping. Like, I think they were probably in relationship with people. that, like, friendships with people

that, like, if you didn't know everything, you weren't through to this or you make things up. It's also deep, like, people try to do that to someone who does know a lot. Dude, this guy's a D-Tune GT1 engine. Yeah. That was like, who! Once, yeah, yeah.

But that's exactly right, that, for people. Like, I certainly don't know a lot about normal cause, but like I've said before, I'm eager to learn more. And today, I actually went through and I have memorized the entire 2001 Honda, like, Kellogg in regards that they make. Thank you.

Oh, yeah. Name the O-1 Honda's. O-1-Honda. So we got Accord, Coop, A-Corp, Coupe. What a place to start. Civic Coupe. He's going alphabetically. No, I'm not.

But we've got the Insight. We've got the Prelude, S-2000, CRV. What's the... I think you're only missing a 1. Yes, I know what it is. It's the other SUV.

No, I'm missing 2. No 1? You got... 0-1, there was a... Oh, you're missing 2. You're missing 2. Yep, I'm missing 2. Shoot. The fact that you don't know.

of these, one of them I understand. The passport. Yep. And what's the, what's the Magdadi of O one Honda, dude? Oh, the Odyssey. What chain, yep. Boom.

Nailed it. All 10. Dude, what a time to be alive. The Prelude and the S-2000 in the lineup. The NSX Accord Coop. The NSX Accord Coop. The NSX Accord Coop. Yeah.

You look at me like I'm crazy. Everybody knows that's the NSX Accord Coop. Wow. What a time to be alive. The original CRV. That was the final year of the original CRV. Good car. This is a solid lineup of cars.

Except for the passport. Except for the passport. disaster and a third. No, 03 had the new accord. But 03 you lost the prelude. And you had the different genre accord. Oh, we liked that accord. But O-1 was a O-1?

The prelude ended in O-1. Yeah, so. You had the one? Element. The element was O-1. The element came out in O-1. I thought I was trying to decide. Yeah, element came out in O-1.

It's like BMW in O-1. Oh-1, great year. Okay, that's our final. The element was revealed in O-1 came out, not for the O-1 model year. Really? I'm pretty confident. They usually know stuff like that. losing it. I'm absolutely losing it.

Don't wait. We got you. Toxic car enthusiast trait. Another one is those people who leave cars and coffee burning out like anybody cares how their Dodge Charger exhaust is different from the last FADM3 Burbiltune exhaust. It is so annoying and unsafe and stupid and nobody cares. And invariably

when people burn out like that in their Burble Tun FADM 3, everybody around me is like what an idiot. Like no one is sitting there being like whoa man, how cool. Everybody thinks you're a loser. And if nobody gets hurt and you don't have an accident, the only The other thing it results in is the event that you're going to getting shut down. It reflects poorly on the event and eventually it'll get the event.

It gets shut down and it ruins it for everybody. But you know what? The guys who do that in G35s, they will get pulled over. I watch, one of my Instagram things that the algorithm is found for me is reels of people getting pulled over leaving cars and coffee. Love it. And you know what? You go to the comments and people are always like, you deserved it. And I'm like, yeah.

Because they're always doing something really dumb. And then they're posting it and they're like, I can't believe I got pulled over. And it's like, I can. We all can. is the one who can't. I, you know, I don't really care whatever, but like in other situations, but that is a really toxic thing doing it right with Cars and Coffee. Nobody is impressed.

Nobody thinks you're cool. Not one person. Anything else? Download the Carson Bids app. Oh, wow. Oh, we're ending the pod. Download the Cars and Bids app. I don't know how, but go to the Apple iOS.

We don't have enough time, Felipe. We got to cut it. Kenan, you got any parting thoughts for us? Who's going to win the Formula One race? I'm rooting for Ferrari, please. Who's driving the O'Lewis. Lewis. And some other fella.

And Charo Leclair. Yes. You got nothing. Is he French? They got a French fellow driving? I don't have time for this. We're already learned to drive on a Pujo? All right.

Thank you for watching. Best podcast we've ever done. Let's see you in a Citroen. Take you good. Goodbye, everyone.