THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - McLaren SUV? Car Flips are DONE. Is Doug Buying Willow Springs Raceway? and MORE!

Episode Date: June 14, 2024

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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Felipe. Today we have a special guest. Nick, nice to meet you. You're not meeting them, but Kenan is gone. He's in the Caribbean with his family. He's soaking up the rays. And so we have Nick as a replacement.

Nick has been in a few videos. He's insane. I'm around. We miss Kenan though. There's no replacement for Kenan. And he's got a bright yellow Land Rover shirt on, because right after this video, we are taking his Land Rover off roading, his bright yellow land rover.

Which you can see behind me a little bit. More on that in a future video. Can't wait. For now, we begin with the news, and there are many news topics to cover. Number one, McLaren has said that they are going to probably make an SUV. Yep. This is not that interesting. I don't know why I put this in.

I mean, I put it in before there were a lot of news stories, and now I see it. Of course they are. Ferrari has an SUV, Bentley has an SUV, Rolls has an SUV, the Lamborghini Uris, and of course the Lodis has an SUV. Lotus has an electric Chinese-built SUV. That's 6,000. Once Lotus makes an SUV, everybody can make an SUV. That's true.

That gave them license. It really did. This is a rendering. This is not what it's going to look like under any certain. We know what it will look like, and we know what engine will be in it, and we know approximately how many horse power it will make, and we know everything else about it. It seems also like a no-brainer.

As an enthusiast, I'm not excited at all for this, but the McLaren buyers will gravitate towards this much like the Earth said. Yeah, that's exactly right. There was a McLaren 650 at daycare yesterday being used as a drop-off car. So it's like if there's a need here from a McLaren enthusiast for a car to take your kid to daycare. This is actually, I've decided this is not news. We already expected it. Move on to the next topic.

LEGO has come out with a Lamborghini Kuntosh. You seen this? No. If you were, me you had, because I was sent it by everybody I know. Gotta love that. I was tweeted by 3,000 people. And I was texted by people I haven't spoken to in a year. Here's, hey, get this, get this.

So I will get it. And I only put it as a new story to try to quell the tide of people telling me about it. You know what's going to happen. You're going to just get every single person that watch it to the podcast. We'll tweet me. We'll tweet you. How many, that doesn't look like one of the ones that takes two days. No, it's, it's 1,700 pieces or something.

It's absolutely massive. Yeah. You and me and new me, you'll have to knock it out on a weekend with some cold ones since Kennan's not here. Right. You also have Nick to help you inside. I'm a Lego Land, the season pass holder, so I'm, I'm good. We can knock it out in like three hours.

You know one disappointment about Legoland? There's not a lot of building that goes on. There's that entire car room where you build a car to go down a hill. Yeah. The Ferrari one. There's an F40 in there. There's an F40. Well, really, there's F40 wheels.

And then a Lego around it. And I think the seats maybe are original. Or the steering wheel. Yeah. One-to-one scale. And like pretty, the F-40 has the right lines, much like the Kuntosh, that you can build it out of Lego's pretty true to scale. Also true of the P-38. Yeah, that's true.

But no one's ever known a P-38 Lego. What a surprise. So anyway, there's a Kuntash Lego and me and Filippa are going to do it this summer together while we talk about our emotions. When does it actually come out? July 4. And you have pre-ordered it. You can't pre-order, but I will order it. It's on my calendar.

I will order it on July 4. I will have built it by July, September. Nick will build it when I come back. That's what's actually going to happen. Every single thing behind me here was built by Nick. Not Disney. Nick built them all. Even that crazy Audi that they sent me when I had a baby.

as if I had all this time to build a Lego and then Nick built it when he had a baby. Yep. All right. What's our next news story? Give me a real one. There is a leak of what the new BMWX3 will look like. Yeah. It looks exactly like what you'd expect.

It's the next one that's bigger. But it has this interesting grill. Right. That I find odd. Yeah. It feels like somebody went to interior decorating school. And like, you know when that was really in? It's got an odd kind of like pin-stripy kind of look.

But you like it. I mean, they're going to sell a million of them, and no matter how much internet people complain, this is going to be a popular car. And frankly, I don't find it to be that bad. Unlike our next news story, which I'd like to devote more time to. I thought this was an XM until you told me it wasn't. I mean, the XM looks, you'll see in a second. The picture that you've chosen is on flattery.

It's zoomed. Wait. Oh, this is a league. The X1 isn't, there's no flattering angle. I just think, like, yeah, the grills are getting bigger. And, like, some of the design is a little bit odd. But BMW has proven to us time and time again that they are right and we are wrong. Except the E65 and the E63.

And that's it. Interesting. Do you think it's self-healing? Yeah. Remember the XM has a self-healing grill? Oh, yeah. The I-X rather, has a self-healing grill. Oh, yeah, the I-X.

To your point, this isn't news. I mean, when Chris Bangle was designing cars 20 years ago, it was incredibly controversial. His designs were fine. We have been overreacting to BMW's research. redesigns for decades at this point. And like, they keep selling cars. They keep selling more cars. They have a line out the dealership.

Someday, we as enthusiasts need to come to terms with the fact that BMW is not gearing these cars towards us. It's like when you see an attractive person, you comment. That person is not trying to attract you. They don't care what you think. It's the same situation with this. BMW is not, this car will be sold to millions of people who aren't us or can it. I also don't hate that grill.

It's kind of interesting. The grill is a little much. I actually think the look at the car. It's hard to see. but I think the look of the car is okay, and they're going to sell a bunch of... The X-3, in my mind, has actually been pretty derivative in terms of styling for a long time, and this looks like it goes a little further. Speaking of going further, this is the BMW XM.

What is happening, Felita? What is the news story? There was a news story this week that dealers are advertising 20 to 25 grand off sticker on these X-Ms. And, like, lease deals that are just wild. Now, of course, this car is worth 80 grand the moment leaves the showroom floor. I don't actually know there are new, but 150? This is the biggest modern-day automotive flop. Yeah.

What is the BMWXM? Here's, let me explain what happened because they started 159. Yeah, it's incredibly expensive. Over time, I have, and you know, it's slower than an X-5 amp. Right. It's $50,000 more money and it's slower. Well, now it's only 25 grand more. You know what I've learned, you know what I realized what happened?

BMW and Mercedes are engaged in this insane sales battle every year. They're like crazy rivals. They're desperate to beat each other. So BMW's been watching, as Mercedes has been selling G-Wagons like crazy. And all the G-Wagon is is a less practical version of their other SUVs at the very top of the lineup. So BMW's like, we've got to get on that. But BMW can't just come out with an off-roader SUV. They have no heritage there, and their whole brand is built on performance.

So this is their attempt at a type of G-wagon-y thing. You think? Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong. That's where it's supposed to be positioned in the lineup, because they've seen how successful Mercedes is. The only problem is Mercedes has 50 years of heritage. It looks cool. And there's a perception that it can go off road and do crazy stuff. BMW comes out with this.

Most people think it's heinous. I actually don't think it looks that bad. It has many problems beyond how it looks. It is not a good car to drive. It is underpowered. It is overpriced. It is not particularly fast. And a lot of them are sold with these gold accents that must have been designed over the phone.

Better than the red accents. That's also an option. Right. It is the equivalent of like a going out shirt for a older person. It's so tasteless. But I mean, I think ugly as a feature was what they were going for. They were going for the distinctive and like you saw it and you knew it wasn't an X-5. Right, right.

Because that's what the G-Wagon is. Yeah. You see it and you're like, whoa. Even though functionally it's the same as a GLE, like in terms of interior size and all that stuff. Yes, it can off-road more, but nobody does that. So they're like, we can do that too. They cannot. They cannot.

And now we know. I can't believe they're only 2025 off. Oh. You walk into that deal at the end of the moment. month. Into the quarter. They'll give you whatever you want. As a fellow salesperson, man, we're willing to make some deals at the end of the

measurement period. They've sold like 600 so far this year, which is actually 500 more than I expected. They're so bad. Everyone I see as dealer plates. You never seen with plates. When you don't, you're not seeing an expensive car in Southern California, you know it's bad. Yeah.

That's a good point. We drive around L.A., North County, San Diego. A lot. You've seen one? It reminds me of the DBX where there. There was a year where the only time we saw DBX was within one mile of the Newport Aston dealership or with a dealer plate. And those are actually breathtakingly good-looking cars, in my opinion. This, I don't have a silver lens here.

No, this has gone terribly as I thought it was. And, you know, I reviewed it. It's now been a year and a half since I, a little over a year since I reviewed it in Phoenix. That's right. And it was clear to me at the time it would fail. Everybody was talking about how ugly it was. I still don't think it's that ugly. I just, it's just a terrible value, possibly the worst new car value in the market.

And how cool would it have been had they actually done the off-road version? Totally. Like, I've seen early Overland builds of X-5s. Yeah. They are so cool and it lends itself so well. These manufacturers are like afraid of doing that. Like the Storado was a crazy decision considering that, you know, that they're just like terrified, even though so many builds are happening in the aftermarket and all that.

And BMW messed up. They went too sporty. They saw the URS. They were like, we go there. Yeah. And it was a mistake. Lamborghini should have also done a Dakar-Storado build. They should, they could still, they should do a Dakar-a-Storado Euras.

You think they won't at the end of the generation? I don't know. I want to see them not only do Dakar and Starado versions, I want to see the 4x squared equivalent, like one level above that even. That would be so cool. Mercedes-Benz has embraced this and they have been rewarded with massive profits and massive sales. That's the only car built in Grots that's selling. And it's like absolutely going at it. Yep.

I want a four-by-4 square. I think they had the right idea here. like, ostentatious, bizarre attention grabbing. It was just poor execution. I actually feel bad. I was thinking about this when I was in the BMW museum. I feel bad for BMW. Every time they go to the top of the market, they fail.

Yeah. The original M1 failed in 1980. The Z8 failed. The I8 failed. This thing, like, there is a way for them to do it. Yeah. It just never works. The Halo car strategy is not...

It's never worked for BMW. But they screwed up each one of them, kind of. The Z8 was great, and it was the most successful of them. But, like, the M1 was not. what the market wanted. The I-8, the market did not want a three-cylinder supercar for a 190 grand. And this is clearly not what the market wants either. They do well in that middle of the market though. Like even like the Z3 when it came out, it was like a Bond villain car. Like they can build like a good attainable car. Then they script

the halo. It would be easier to do the opposite. I think they could have built an R8 type car. They just didn't. They could have built a three-cylinder. And they could have built a G-wagon. They just, right. They just kind of mess it up a little bit. They don't know. They're not living that world. They're trying too hard. They went to Uris instead of G-Wagon. I don't know that either would have been successful, but the off-roading trend is so hot right now. You really think that Lamborghini won't do an Orest Dura? Yeah, I probably, they will. Like, why not? I mean, the hurricane came out at the very, very end. Yeah, of the production run. It's true. It's like something you do with the end.

Special editions are a good way to move a stale product, but the Uris has been out a long time, and it's still not here. Yeah. That explains the Barago edition. Got it. That's exactly what that was. What do you think? on it. Let's talk about Toyota TRD Pro. As a TRD Pro owner, I drove mine into the office

today. I've been driving it a bunch. Just put in my second take of gas. It's so big that you hit the building. Every year, Toyota releases a new special color for

only offered on the TRD Pro models. And this year, the color is called, what is it, mud bath? Mudbath. Yeah.

Accurate. Can you run us through their good colors, T.RD. Pro colors. Calvary blue. Oh, yeah. And Rebel Blue.

Too good one. And the original orange that was on the 15 Tierity Pro 4-Runer. Those colors changed my life. Well, you're talking about Lime Rush? You liked Lime Rush? I kind of do. For a for a forerunner, yeah. I wouldn't get it, but I like seeing them. Yeah. Mudbath is only okay.

It's actually sad because this is kind of the third year in a row they've done sort of a mute. Well, okay, so for 23, they did solar octane, which is bright orange. For 24, they did last year was Tara, which I think is probably the worst Tierty Pro Color. I was rough. I saw one in person the other day, and I forgot. It's fine. It's just not special. Like, it's just a color.

They, and they, they, they, TRD Pro also was one of the implementers of, like, the chalk cement. Yeah. They did that, like,

when it was just starting to become a thing. They're, like, flat gray that is now on every car. I kind of don't. Okay, I both hate this

and think that it will look really good. It might, I think it's gonna look great on the four-runner in the Tacoma. Yeah. I was really nervous

for the Sequoia that, I didn't get the TRI Pro color from my ear's because it was Terra. I could have gotten to a use solar octane, but that's too much. I was really nervous.

25 would come out and I would be like, damn, I wish I'd gotten that. I think brown. I kind of have started to come to the conclusion that maybe any weird color is just wrong on a vehicle that is 208 inches long. It's so much color. It's a lot.

Whatever color you paint it, it's a lot. The solar octane ones are really not attractive. I think at Cavalry Blue would look really good on the TRD Pro Sequo. I don't know. It's a lot of blue. It'd be a lot of blue. But that's like a flat and muted blue.

That's like the chalky blue kind of. It was the light blue. They did two blues. The Rebel Blue was the bright one. Yeah. It was like grabber blue on the Mustangs. And then they were... Yeah, it kind of muted.

The problem, can you name a single car that looks good in brown? Nothing's coming to mind for it. I have... Our audience is going to hate you for that, but I don't generally... I have an S-21station wagon that I think looks pretty good. I would love to see the sales data on the take rate of brown cars. Zero percent. But that's kind of their point with these colors.

Like, have you ever seen a car that looks good in lime green, but they do it and people buy it. Nine by eight cayon, baby. Press color. Peridot. I think the desert khaki If you're going to do like a brown hue The desert khaki is cool That was another good T-R2.

Which was a great color But they already did that So now they need to Maybe they're just running out of good colors At this point To an extent They are kind of running out of good colors A muted red might be nice

Tara was too reddish brown Tucket red-ish? Yeah actually that would be good I think I don't think you're welcome Toyota Yeah I don't mind for you From?

From yeah Toyota B I've spent 1994 on this. Maybe you'll get it back. You funded the focus group to pick Brown. Yeah. I really do think you'll look good on the phone on our diploma.

That is all that focus group costs because this is what they ended up with. No, I did it's fine. They did a Google survey and it's got $19 promoting it. I actually did a focus group. I did it. They emailed me last night. Wow. For my, hey, you got a Sequoia.

Can you answer a few questions? What do you drive it two miles? What features do you wish it had? You know what I said? An iPad holder? Three. I said three. Fenders that did not have camels.

Oh my, I forgot to mention. the camo fenders oh i'm such an idiot front toe hooks which is insane it doesn't have the gauge cluster screen you you can one of the displays has to be the boost gauge which that takes up a third of the gauge screen the boost gauge customizable fully digital screen i've seen it's a lot a lot of the fully digital ones are pretty uncustomizable actually that one is okay um and i said i wanted something else oh more in-car storage like there's no i have all this off-road gear in the car right now and It's like rolling around. Yeah.

I need like a bag. Did you ask them to put instead of Toyota in giant letters on the passenger side, like, TRD Pro, Sequoia. It's a little much, but actually like mud bath. You need like the touring edition of the Sequoia. It's like, just tone everything down a little bit. The Sequoia GT3 touring. That is exactly what I want.

And you know, it's funny because I posted all my mods that I had like removed all this stuff and like painted the wheels gray, like toned it all down. People like, why did you even buy it? And it's like because I wanted the hardware. I don't care about the cosmetics, stupid crap. But yes, Toyota B and Toyota Goat approve of mudbath. Give us the next news story. It gets better from here. Nick, take us through this one. Willow Springs is for sale. It's passing all over the news.

There's been prices that have been speculated, but it's largely like the assessment by the realtor or past prices. I mean, I think really no one, it's hard to quantify what this is worth. But iconic racetrack, I've been here many times. I blew up my TTRS motor here, even though you like to claim it was, you know, the year later. when it actually blew, it started here. It's a great track. It's really fun. There's Big Willow and then Streets of Willow, so you can, it's technically two racetracks.

But it's where, like, all the filming does, it's the closest racetrack to L.A. Yeah, it's, it's interesting to me. They, they, people say that it's not making a lot of money. I mean, it's out in the desert in the middle of nowhere. I have a suspicion that there could be a real financial money-making opportunity here just because it, the production is constantly there. It's in LA.

A lot of car commercials film there. A lot of YouTube channels and other things still in there. A lot of people in the internet have asked me to buy it. I won't. This is another conflation that I live in Los Angeles. This track is like eight, seven hours. I mean, it's not possible to get up there. You know, our home track is Chuck Wallach.

I've camped out here because it's far enough that you wouldn't want to try to drive it either direction in the same day you're track. Especially when you blow up the motor on you. He missed a shift. Their pitch is that they're renting below market rate. That's what they claim. And also it's generally accepted that it is rented out

pretty much every day. Everybody who's trying to sell a property claims it that it's rented below market rate. But the probably is, you could get more. I feel like there is some truth to it could be managed in a way that makes them more money. And also, where also are they going to build a racetrack?

Yeah. Like, and I don't, have you ever been out there? No. It is way out there. This isn't one of those tracks that in three years, the housing development's, going to show up and kick them out. Yeah.

This thing is like way out there. Which also means that you can't get rid of it and build a housing development because who needs help? No, there will never be. I mean, it's one of those places where acreage is for sale for like five grand because it's, there's no white power or water to it or anything. I think that the claims of, oh, it's under value.

Like, it's like the used car dealer saying, oh, I'm going to lose money on this one. Like they say that every time. It means nothing. But I do think there's a lot of very wealthy people in L.A. have they insane car collections. There's Thermal Club out in Palm Springs. But that's closer to us, essentially. It's closer to us, but I think you could luxury-file.

I wonder about that. I wonder about that. It's a real endeavor, though. Truthfully, if thermal had had the option, probably that's what they should have done. But all they need to do is add some hangers and garage space. I know a track I used to go in Arizona. They made the long straight, long enough you could land a private jet on it. And then they had hangers so that you could fly in, track it, and then leave.

Thermal has houses, you know, all along the main racetrack. Like, you can buy lots and build a house. I've been in them. There's quite something. Do you think that that would still work with it being rented out every day by manufacturers? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think there's a lot of different possibilities that some wealthy investors going to come in and try to make work out here.

Please don't pitch, Doug. Don't go up to Doug and say, hey, I got a real estate pitch for you. Yeah, I'm never investing in anything ever again except for Nick. Yeah. With 60 plus acres, you could put in a lot of, like, storage facilities. for both cars and other things. And you could probably eat thermal's lunch if you really wanted to make the investment.

Because the track started here. Thermal had to build all that. You could show up and just start selling lots and try to make it more tenable. The benefit thermal has is it's fairly close to Palm Springs and this is close to nothing, but it is closer to L.A. If that $2 to $3 million range

is even remotely an order magnitude correct, the people that are trying to buy every new Ferrari to get on the list for the BAPC cars, stop doing that. Buy this instead. This is a flex. It's a way cooler than no one cares. The Portofito.

M and selling back to the dealer in 90 days. Economic advice from a P30, I don't know. All right, give us the last new story. You know what else you could do there? You still can't do it there. Nick, tell us what happened here. Alex Choi produced a great video where... He's a YouTuber.

He used to be part of the DDE squad, but he's a young, I think he's in his early 20s. He's got a really cool McLaren. He's got a bunch of great cars. So he's also a pilot. or was into aviation of some sorts hired a helicopter pilot and basically did a Whistland Diesel style shoot fireworks at the car while it tries to get away

Okay And apparently the video did you watch it Yes it was a good video It's not worth going to jail over I've only seen clips because I think it's been taken down Yes, it's been taken down It's going to look at how many of you guys Choice videos it should be stated are always

They're very rare Yeah but they're always among the very highest production content caliber videos that like exist. It was great. But yeah, the FAA, from what I'm told, revoked the helicopter's license already, the pilot's license. And he's facing jail time potentially, as well as huge fines for this. Is he the guy that jumped a Tesla? Yes. Well, he didn't jump it. He didn't do it. He was like part of that. He organized the event. That's true. Someone else jumped it. This isn't his first brushed with the law. Oh, there's been some incidents for sure. The Lamborghini at the up in,

up in LA where he almost crashed the motorcycle. The choice is a little bit controversial, but his content is incredible. There's no question about it. And this video apparently was pretty incredible. I didn't watch it, but I watched a bunch of his stuff, and it's really good. The pilot can't fly anymore. There's jail time. He's been arrested or something.

Honestly, I think this is silly. Like, I don't think he should really face anything more than a fine here. Like, it was just everyone was consenting to this. They were in the middle of nowhere. You got to assume the government's position is we have to make an example. You can't be doing this. They're going to make an example out of him. It was very public, so we have to. If you look at it like any movie, like a Michael Bay film or whatever, like he didn't have the permits, but what they did is something that is done all of the time. Sure.

Or maybe allegedly didn't have the permits. We don't know. There's some reality in what you're saying, I think. But at the same time, the YouTubers are going crazier and crazier for stunts. And some of them are funny. You know, Street Speed, remember when he did the, when he drove in the pond or what? whatever it got. Yeah, it got fine by the... Fine by the Pennsylvania... Yeah. I mean, this is America.

Where the country where you're allowed to shoot fireworks out of a helicopter at a Lamborghini? Didn't really not. Nick has never said anything more Arizona than that single sentence. I mean, come on. I do feel bad for Alex Choi, but, you know, it's a crazy situation. Getting views has become harder and harder and harder. When I started in YouTube 12 years ago, just having a Ferrari 360, got me millions of views.

And now you got to shoot fireworks out of a helicopter at a Lamborghini. A Lamborghini. Lamborghini. It's tough. Okay. Can I run a lot of our operations here, Carson, Bits. My only thought is just, they didn't have insurance. Certainly. But nobody will ever insure them. But that's how Alex Sherry production is. Like, yeah. They do crazy stuff that you, that is not insured, but like, you see it. I'm trying to imagine just like, I filled out a lot of insurance applications in my day. Like, well, like the liability insurance form would be here. Good old conservatively. You know, you know what he should have done was bought Willow Springs. Or filmed his

outside of the U.S., which is other... It's a liability issue. Yeah, that's true. And Dubai, this would probably be just like an average Saturday. All right, we're going to move on next to our Talking Cars segment. Now, because we have Nick here today, Nick is going to be the one who talks cars,

and I want Nick to take us through the two main topics in his life, which is, we'll start with the P-38 Range Rover, which Nick has bought, and will soon be a build series on the Cars and Bids channel. Nice. I can't wait for this. We've filmed a few episodes already. nothing's come out. But I bought the car accidentally at Legoland and had to tell my wife once we got

home that was the color of a Lego. He bought it online, but he was at Lego. It does look like it is a Lego. It tracks. It's the color of the average Lego. And I'm a big Lego guy as we've established already. Right, right, right. The P38, which is the 95 to 2002 Range Rover, it's super boxy. Like, David Beckham drove it. Princess Die would get driven around in it. It was the car in the period. I mean, they sell for as little as like, actually I had one offer to me for $1,000 with the premise of don't ever contact me again and get it out of here today. On the high end, you can see them go for maybe 25 to 30, but they're very undervalued because they're known for being not reliable.

But Nick's particular- Are they undervalued, Nick? Well, I think they're undervalued. They are low-value. As Nick talks it up during the build series, he will talk it up as being undervalue. Now, Nick bought a particularly unusual one in the very tail end of production, they came out with one called the Berego Edition. They were all bright yellow.

Wasn't there a second special edition that was also bright yellow? There was a ton of special, not yellow. What other bright yellow one I thought? There was like the Holland and Holland edition, the Vogue edition, the anniversary edition. They were trying to push an unpopular car by giving as many special editions as they could. And strangely enough, bright yellow was one of them. I think it's the car to have if you're going to buy one of them. It's so fun.

I think a lot of people think of black O2 with the split five. You get a lot of looks. You get a lot of... The Vitesse. Yeah, it was yellow. They were two bright yellow. How do you know which one you have? I guess I don't.

But there have been some issues with it. The most recent issue was... Well, this is my key. For people on the pod, you can't see. I'm holding Fuse 31, which is labeled battery power. Essentially, I take the keys out and the fan and headlights stay on indefinitely until the battery dies. I bought a new battery thinking maybe that would fix it. But...

No, it turns out. When did this problem start occurring? What did you do to the car? I wanted to clean it up nicely, so I pressure-watched the engine bay. You pressure-wash the engine bay of a 25-year-old land rover. Known for having electronic gremlin. So I learned a lesson that day. And now the headlights won't turn off, even with the car off.

Well, they kind of flicker. It's only the passenger side headlights. I knew that. It's only the passenger side headlights. That's the other thing. I found a new electric fan shroud for $200 on eBay. Like, the thing is everything is solvable here with enough money and time. Why do you think the fan shroud is?

There's a, there's a wiring. A sensor basically. Everything I've read is either the AC is overcharged or something the engine thinks it's too hot and that's why it's trying to work. The trials and tribulations is car, but unbelievable. Nick took it to a mechanic who said he'd get it done quickly and he had it for two months. Yes. And did in that time. And in that two months, I was promised it would be ready tomorrow for three weeks straight.

Did they do the work eventually? Most of that. They had the car seven weeks. Take a guess how many hours of labor they built. Builder performed either 20 7

my bill for two months of work was very affordable because it didn't get a whole lot done the Kutash was gone for two months and I had the transmission rebuilt the carburetors tuned the valves his bill wasn't 50 grand

that's true but also he only had two things done and when he went to pick it up well the number of things happened and wanted to pick it up one it was completely dead he left the headlights on overnight I then told me, oh, it must be an electrical draw. You're going to have to keep it here to tell that. The exhaust wasn't fixed, so it was still straight piped.

And then three, it's still leaking oil everywhere, which was the main thing that, yes. It's less now. Can you expect it to not leak? No, but I mean, like, the oil drain plug is the wrong size. This is a solvable problem. As I recall, when you dropped it off, though, at the shop and told it was leaking oil, he laughed at you. Yeah, that's true. Drain plug is the wrong size, and that's the problem.

Yeah, if you go look underneath, it's only, like, screwed in about halfway. seems so feasible. It's just too long. We're doing oil changes and just... Well, I'm going to do that in my driveway. It's basically back it out and then try to plug one new one in and spill as little oil as possible. All of this is going to be captured in this build series. And then Nick's going to try to sell this thing on the website. Everybody, please enjoy watching him.

Pull out the drain. The only thing holding in the oil and then just try it. So these are the reasons why they aren't well respected from a resale value. However, the car is... so much fun. We all wish to own a P-30 range. I legitimately wish that I could emotionally afford a P-30-A-Ranger.

It looks great. Okay, I'm in this car maybe 10 grand. I think it's as fun as a Bronco or a G-500. It's boxy. It's off-roady. It looks way cooler. Sitting in a rangeover is a unique experience. No, it's an amazing seating position and driving experience. They are worthless.

They are for people who want to get their hands dirty, or at least aren't afraid of a mechanic's belt. They're so good you can't assign worth. I have always found it funny that an O2G wagon, that was the first few of the G wagon, an O2G wagon is still a 25 car in nice shape. An O2 Land Cruiser is probably a 15 car in nice shape.

An O2 Rangerover, by the way, these cars were all the same price new. An O2 Range Rover is worth a thousand bucks with the promise that you'll never call me again. Like if the car had only been a little bit reliable, it would be so cool. Even half as reliable as a 100 series length. They're so cool, though. I'm jealous. Because it's the best looking of all those. I do think as an enthusiast, though, it's been a good experience.

Like, I'm enjoying it, and it's becoming an enabler of sorts. Where I'm like, okay, like, it's having problems. It gives me something to tinker on and work on, which I kind of enjoy. And your cost basis is pretty low. My cost basis is low. And, like, what else is there that's extremely undervalued? Requires you getting your hands dirty, but then it's so rewarding when you drive it. So I'm looking at quatra portes, continental GTs.

Our next topic here. Nick has always had some bizarre. our vehicles. He money shifted at TTRS. He had a camera with no title. There's a lot of cameras with no titles out there. Titles are optional once you get to a certain age. Yeah, he stole a Camry, and then he has had this P-38, he's got a Mercilago. He's had all sorts of crazy stuff, but... Right, he's the lone P-38 mercy owner. The next project is...

Well, what I really want to do, and I'm now getting further along, is by a Maserati Quattroporte. I was originally thinking the later ones with the ZF transmission were the ones to get. Yeah. However, the Duo Select transmission is very similar to the 430 transmission, which means a manual swap kit, other than lengthening the cables and a couple other things on the interior should be largely plug-in-play. So I've exchanged some emails.

I've got a guy willing to make me a kit. But he wants the car. I've got an installer. Well, the car is free. There's several on Craigslist right now for like two grand that are like, hey, this doesn't work or it needs, like, it's always like a minor fix. oh, it's pretty much fine. It just needs like one little thing

and you can drive it away, but bring a flatbed. But you could buy it for maybe five for running and driving example. The engine's reliable if memory serves. It's got cam variator issues. There was a problem that was a problem from the 03 to like 10 models.

And they sold them through 13. Yes. So if you get a late one, you can avoid it. But if you get the late one, you have the torque converter auto. And he's over here trying to convert to a stick. A stick converted, quattroporte would be so.

Was it ever offered with a stick? No. You know, the original Panama was offered with a stick. Yeah. True. You could wait. We're getting there. Ten more years.

Yeah, the original one's a little tough to look at. I think the quattroporte is just gorgeous. It is a beautiful. I saw one actually yesterday. A early duo select car yesterday. What are you driving by a mechanic? That's some Nick. Dude was just driving it like it was normal, like it was a car,

even though it is not a car. You do occasionally see, especially the later ones, over 100,000 miles. So, like, someone has figured. figured out a way to keep them on the road even though I think if you want reliability which you don't the ZF and post cam variator if you get a 10 11 1213 it's I bet it's some of you pretty reliable you're pretty fine and and even like there was an 09 on the site that sold for 13 250 that pull that out was ZF transmission it had 20 some thousand miles now the

carfax said that there was structural damage but it had never been in an accident and it was really unclear this one oh nine Z F I I I I bit on this and then I also asked some questions but like we could never explain why it said structural damage but yeah both of those montana title it's 13 000 dollar title and in florida that's the dream you could even if the cam variators go bad or other issues happen it's got 26 000 miles on it you got some time if you're not daily what does the camvarator thing cost to fix because this one reported ticking it idle you can preventatively fix it with like three grand where they change the the lifters and do some things if it it's too late

and the damage is already done. You're maybe in at 5 to 8, but it's fixable. Was this interior red? No, it was like tan. The dash, though. Yeah, I think it's that a red steering wheel? Isn't that wood? Oh, no, it's like dark red, red leather.

Red leather on the upper down. I think it's like a dark brown saddle, but I don't hate that. Yeah, I mean, they had some cool color combos you could find. A lot of people motted these because it's like a fake it till you make it kind of car. So a lot of them are like matte black. Well, go back. There's one we just sold. That was a current thing.

But this one had the best wheels. Like, you could find some really good looking ones. And everyone says that's owned them that they're wonderful to drive. They sound great. You don't have no interest in the new body. You only want the old one. I honestly can't tell the new one in the Ghibli apart. Oh.

Yeah, it's, and it's only a length thing. Like, they basically do look the same. Look at them. I mean, this is just gorgeous. Yeah, they don't sell for much money. It is a beautiful car. It always was. I don't actually like how they look, but it's still gorgeous for 70.

I also think that the earliest ones were the best looking. The facelift car, I wouldn't even consider going down your road. The facelved cars are much better to own to drive to live with. But the, the, that side profile image. Like that. But look at this, though. The hood, the, the, the, the, the grill was nice. Look at no. No, no. Gorgeous. No. Gorgeous car. Grill was great. No. He's wrong. He doesn't. And there's a lot of them for sale that have very low miles, because the problem with these F1 transmissions or do a select, as Maserati called them, is you still have to replace the clutch as often as a 430. So you can get maybe 10 to 15,000 miles out of the clutch. That's an expensive job.

and it's very jerky for daily driving. How could it not get more? Nick, you should get a late one and just not an annual swap it and just like live it. Yeah. Like a 12 you can buy for like 20, probably 20. But where's the sense of adventure? I won't have to go around with a fuse puller every time I drive it somewhere. It'll be reliable.

Have you considered a fortune? Yeah, the fortunes are all legal now. But it must have been a terrible car. Oh, I mean, look at it. It's so cool. You know, this is Gandini. This is Gandini. This is I think it is so good.

It's such a cool car. It feels like Europe in the... A lot of people don't even know this existed. Because this was the only Quatroorte that wasn't sold to the U.S. Well, maybe the very early ones. But in the 70s, they sold the Quatrote 3 in the U.S. for a long time. And then the four came out, didn't sell it here. You got the Gandini kink on the over the back window.

Very Diablo, Kuntash. Yep. That rear end, though, is like a bad phaeton. Like an AI designed, Faten, grafted. Go back? I think it looked... No, that looks good. It looks Volkswagen to me.

That is so cool. man, that thing is cool. Look at this interior. Yeah. That rear end, the interior is just a, the interior's bad.

The interior's, no, this is, I consider this is great. You think this is a nice looking interior? So bad that it looks cool. Do you think wood's going to come back? Like, wood was all the rage in the 90s. Wood is still,

now carbon fiber trim is in everything. Wood is still hot, but it's the flat wood is the thing everybody wants now. Like glossy wood will never come back. Well, maybe someday because everything's cyclical, but like glossy wood and beige interiorers are gone. But flatwood is like just as hot as anything can be right now.

It's just like tube socks are coming back and baggy jeans for women. Yeah. It's only a matter of time before like big luxurious burlwood like that is like hot. Maybe that's probably true. Nick, I have a question for you. Stick or automatic? That?

That's a tip. Right? Yeah, it's hard to tell. It looks like a manual looking shifter. You can imagine. It looks like it's the first gear right here. So you want a QP5 and you're going to do it. So once the P38's gone, our next build series will be you trying to put a stick shift in a QP5.

A QP5, however, I rented a continental LGT on Turro and those are- Miami. Those are pretty affordable. There's one on the site right now that I plan to bid on no one- Nick only pretends to be a respectable person. Yes. Can we pull up the cut-ne-down? Does he even try to pretend? Look at this. Nick wants this. They transact pretty affordably. The W-12 is a little scary, but I think that's why they are affordable. However-W-12s racked miles. People get miles. Yesterday I had dinner with Doug and he were talking about this is his favorite engine of all-time.

All-time. Favorite gas engine. The one in the Bentley specifically, but the twin turbo. Not the regular Audi one. Yeah, I mean, I get it, and it's so unique. So if you're trying to check your bucket list of automotive cars, right? You have a supercar, you got a Mustang, you got all these different things. An unreliable British car needs to be on that list somewhere. Well, and at 12th, I just, truly my favorite gas engine ever. Maybe the Carrera GTs is, this, the engine was so good. And the Carrera GT versus the sale price of whatever this goes for is quite a magnitude different. Yeah. Yeah. I think that these cars are special. We were actually, what we were talking about was, because you don't care as much about reliability,

you're willing to kind of take yourself into scary positions. I'm not, he's not. What we were talking about was what year, because the problem with these W-12s is the expensive ones are going to be reliable, but then it's enormous depreciation. By the time they've depreciated to a level that we want to buy it, you're

hitting the unreliability. So like, what year and car is there that you could get for like maybe 60, 65 grand, or is that starting to get unreliable? Like, is there a sweet spot of reliability and cost? Because this one, is going to have some reliability. How many mouths that have?

Fifty-eight thousand? The problem with these cars is that it was also mid-2000s Volkswagen Audi. Yeah, great point. So like the electronics and all that's a bit. Like my, like my Mercia Lago. It'll be fine.

I think the move here is... A mercy and a Kanti GT is. What a 04 rich? Yeah. But I think the move is the first model year they always say avoid. You know, there's a lot of quirks. If you get the last model year,

they haven't fixed all of the problems, but they've fixed some of the glaring ones. with this P-38, like it's the last model here. They didn't fix everything, but some of the, like, really annoying electric gremlins, like the BECM. I drop my fuse, if you're looking. They fix the electric gremlins. You're holding your fuse because your passenger light stays on when the car has turned off. That was a self-inflicted gremlin. It's, it's, they get better over time, maybe not like on how Tesla does it now, or it's over the air, but like, yeah, they fix a few oopsies each model year. The problem with this car, though, that's true, but the problem with this car is

over time the W12 got rarer because they came out with a V8 and that became a huge portion of of production then and so it's actually becomes harder to find even though it probably did get better. I'd imagine the W12's biggest problem is it barely fits so it's an engine out or anything or just a lot of labor. The one I really like is actually the second-gen flying spur but I have one I think going live today maybe tomorrow. Yeah those are even cheaper. We do have one well no that the this body flying sparing this one this one that car what is that purple? Why didn't I buy this? Oh yeah purple light sapphire. that looks cool.

Purple on white looks barely driven too. But that's a V8. See, that's the problem. Right. You got to find that would be 12. Like this one was, but my rental was the VA.

The guy had two of them on Turo as well as a handful of other cars. But I think it is more reliable that 4.0 V8s and everything. Yeah. And like you can run a decent Turo business off of it. So I think it was a smart buy. It looks richer.

Plus in Florida, they just maintain it in a way then. Wait, sorry, we got to talk about Turo for one second. Turro. Okay. I had a, I did a video review of a Maserati Grintourismo convertible. That went live today, Wednesday. And as a part of that,

Turro has given us a $1,000 gift card to give away. So if you go to that video, you watch it, there's a link in the description to go to Instagram, or if just go to our Instagram, there's a giveaway. Who do you have to follow to get the thousand? You have to follow Turro and cards on that post. But you can get a $1,000 gift card.

And that's a lot of... You could win a $1,000 gift card. That's a bent for like a week. That's solid. And then you could drive your dream car for a week. You can be like Nick in a Murphy for a day or two. You know, we got Kenan for his birthday a Turro gift card. And on the

last car pod, he was like, yeah, a good birthday gift, you know, it's like meaningful, you had to work really hard at it, you had to go in period. And I'm like, I emailed him a gift card. Like, this feels personal. He thinks that Kenan was personally calling him out for buying a not good enough gift for him. How much

was the gift card for? $300, which should be like a solid day of any car you want, pretty much. But I appreciate that you at least rented a Conti to make sure you like it before you get on this. Love it, yeah. You will bid. It's such a good use of Turro is basically like the couple day long test drive of the car you want.

You will bid on this, right? I also think Turro, yes, I will be bidding on this car. The photographs are so bad it actually makes me more excited about it. My R8 when I bought it also had the same Sepia filters where you're like, I don't know what color of this car actually is if you removed all the Instagram-y stuff off. Oh, some of the, because I was going to say the headline shot looks at the Some of them are fine. I mean, you, you know, but like.

The interior is beautiful. The interior is like, okay, it's somewhere between orange and tan. This is a great color combo. It's like, army-ish green over the white brown. It's such a handsome car. Okay. Can I borrow it if you. Our next topic of conversation is the Cars and Bids Market Report, which is brought to you by Cars and Bids. Whoa.

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Let's talk market report. There's two things. There's two things I want to talk about on market report. Okay. Great. Because we got to get to questions because people love the questions and there are some very good ones. I see which ones you've highlighted.

No, no, no. I've actually, I want to talk about these two. Number one, flippers. Flippers. Like fish? Like the Dolphi. Go to the Mustang Dark Horse or the GX. I don't care which one.

Let's do GX. Or the cyber truck. When we launched this business, it was in 20. Cars were COVID-constrained. This is probably not the most business-friendly thing that I'm talking about right now, but I'm going to just tell you the truth. The truth is what you get here on this podcast.

When we launched the business in 20, it was market was constrained, and we were selling a ton of flipped cars. Like you could buy a G.R. Carolla at the dealer and sell it for like 10 grand more, and we made money, and the sellers made money, and everybody was happy.

I mean, remember R1S's? Rivian R1S, Hummer EV. We were making a killing of flipped car. Everything, plaids, yeah. Flipped cars, we're making a ton of money. You buy it new at the dealer, you sell it the next day, because supply was so constrained that this was going on. Well, flippers are still trying to sell cars that they're flipping,

and it is over. I'm here to tell you, it is over. In the days of 7% interest rates and car inventory levels back to normal, we had this Lexus GX that we put up and by the way we generally have a policy that if someone comes to us with the first of something we'll run it because we want to kind of know where the market is for something cool that's something special yeah

we want to run it we want to know where the market is and so we ran this and what was the sticker on this 78 171 1 3 5. So if someone was willing to pay 72 plus the fee so there's a little room there but once you factor in the taxes which this dude paid because it's got plates there's no there's no meat on this bone anymore And the other one was this Mustang dark horse. Yeah, I mean, somebody was willing to pay $75 for those,

which is more than they would pay at a dealer. Yeah, more than they would pay at a dealer. But not enough to just... I mean, we were selling Hummer EVs for 2X. Yeah. 2X. And by the way, this is not just a cars and bids thing. I'm saying this as a market report conversation

because flipping new cars is generally over. I can think of like some really special low allocation. Porsche's, Ferraris, some Lambos. There's some of those cars. Where you're buying it at a dealer, requires that you also bought. Yeah. There's long wait list like that.

But like the days of flipping a tundra TRD pro, which someone did on the site, the days of flip, like it's done. It's done. I think you're actually massively understating it. You have dealer and dock fees, taxes. Yeah. The out the door price and the sticker price. Yeah. Are thousands of dollars.

And that's assuming these people paid sticker. And then the phantom cost too. Like even if you only hold it for like a month or two, you've got insurance, you've got gas. You've got a place to store it. I mean, that guy lost 10 grand on that. $900 flip. Yeah. Well, he didn't cut it loose.

He didn't sell it. But the truth is he's not going to make a lot more trying to sell it. And this is a good example too. What's the sticker on this? The sticker on this was 67. 67, bid to 52. Honestly, new Mustangs are fine. You can find them.

They're at dealers. They're online. They're listed. They're easy to find. There's no market to flip them anymore. And so I don't, like you said, some super low volume cars. And yes, there is some money to be made if you factor out.

Yeah. But once. If you do my math. Ignore all the holding costs and just look at the sticker. maybe you made money. But flipping, I think, we're kind of coming to the end of flipping just like normal cars.

Maybe another car comes out like the Bronco that's super hot for the first two, three months. There will be flipping abilities of that. And we saw that with Cybertruck. I mean, there's still a little over-stiffer. Yeah. But again, not enough

when you justify paying sales tax. My favorite movie, The Big Short, they knew it was a bubble when the dancers were buying multiple homes. The equivalent here was my realtor when I bought my house. His wife was flipping TRD pros on the side. She knew nothing about cars. She was just like, oh, it's easy money.

I make 10 grand. I'll buy it in Kansas and I'll sell it in California. And it's like, that's a bubble. That is a bubble. Someone who doesn't know anything about cars. The difference was the market never had to fail, unlike in the housing market, the market, the market never had to fail to correct it. We just need an inventory level to come back up. It was a kind of normal 100% of supply. Although you know Toyota has the lowest day supply of any automaker. Toyota. And if you factored out the B, it's like 36 day supply. If you're probably out of If you, and so like Dodge has like 150 days supply. If you took out the BZ4X, I bet Toyota would have negative data supply.

It's just that one car. Which is super ironic because they invented the whole idea of supply on demand and like manufacturing in real time. And yet you can't get one. Also, remember during COVID, Toyota announced that they had solved the supply chain issues and soon they'd be back up to regular inventory levels. They had that fire that factor. Oh, there was the fire. Can we talk? You still can't get a Sienna.

It's literally not possible to get a Sienna. You can get a Mustang Dark Horse for 15 off. You want a Sienna? No. Can we talk about the Mustang for a second? No. We're moving on to our next... I mean, we're going on it is.

Demand is lower for these than I expect it. It looks too similar. It's just too similar. The Dark Horse should be the most special one. It's not special enough. I'm fixing grand off thicker with 30 miles. This is a new car. I also think...

One thing I've noticed also, the types of people who were affected especially by interest rates, those are the cars that have slowed the most. Tesla is a good example, actually. The super high-end cars, G-wagons are still real hard to get. Those people aren't, they're not only care.

much your Mustang buyer does uh Ford kind of messed up a little bit on the reason I definitely think that but I think there's a lot of resources being diverted to a lot of projects right now and I think a lot of cars are being redesigned in a in a pretty small way pull up the super you saw this sale we saw a mark four turbo super for 162 us big money big money especially for a non uh hard talk yeah for a sport roof which in my opinion is more desirable because fast and the furious because also you can hijack some DVD You can hijack some DVD players. And also, T-tops.

What do you want to bet that the dude who bought this car, it was a 9,900 mile totally unmodified car, what do you want to bet right now he's hijacking DVD players? I bet he's... Is it still as lucrative as it once was? No. It's lost a little cachet. Those people are music-matched.

Do you think eventually you will watch... You guys both have children. Eventually you'll watch the Fast and a Furious movie with your kids. How much will you have to... blamed about what the world was like in 2000, that they're hijacking giant TVs. You know what?

Giant in volume, not in the screen size. And the real thing I have to explain is why this guy's saying that Ferrari's more than you could afford, pal, that the guy was super... When these were selling for 162. Kenan had a great result on his F-355 and... 162.

I love this car so much. I want one of these so bad. It's all I think about. This is the highest... There aren't that many 10,000-mile. Manual turbo Mark four supers. This is the highest result in about a year. Yeah. At least public result in about a year.

Yep. I think they just keep going up. Yeah. No, the market has actually slowed a little from the peak, but generally... They're not crashing. And they're certainly going to be staying here. Like, this is... I was hoping that, like, prices would come down, and I could get a nice mark four.

It looks like I'm going to be stuck getting a tip. Have you considered a Mark 3 or 5? I would... The Mark 3 is cool. I actually love the 5, but, like, it's not... This car is... The four special. When we grew up,

this is the car we couldn't afford. And now, all these years later, this is still the car. So true. I wonder to, our previous discussion about Halo cars for BMW,

I wonder if the move for Halo cars, just to get it in an iconic movie rather than trying to design. The problem is it took 20 years. They couldn't sell these new. They sold them, but it wasn't an easy feat.

No. It wasn't a very popular car at the time. I remember. I remember as a kid, they weren't particularly, and honestly I've driven them, they're not that amazing to drive. It's a car that has transcended the driving experience, much like vintage Ferraris

and things, and the Kuntash, honestly, it's become more about the culture, the iconic nature of the car. What do you think this car cost you? There is a window sticker. It's like 60? It was 517. Which adjusted for inflation is probably what, 100? What a barg. It's a buy.

But it isn't, the cars that grow exponentially like this do eventually level off. They don't lose money, but they just kind of get stuck there. I think maybe. Most of them do, yeah. I can see this someday being... These are more than NSX is now.

A really clean low-mile-age 95 NSX. Probably gets 160, but the Supera definitely does. 105K new, if you have count for inflation. Really? It was a tough sale at the time. Again, if you're looking at that versus investing in any index, terrible investment. But you can drive this 9-981 miles.

Correct. It seems like they go to hundreds of thousands. thousands of miles. Like I wouldn't personally seek out a low mileage example. I'd want a driver that I could. No, if the right driver showed up on the site, I would probably try to buy it. We have, we have tried to sell some with super high miles. We've seen some other places come up. This was a Japanese market. Yeah. This one I think had miles. Did not not a stick though. We sold one with some real miles. Was it this? Not a $93.000. The 2JZ is famous for automatic for $6,000 for $93,000. Should have bought this and convert it. You can convert it with a couple of cold ones over. over a weekend. I mean, actually, like, T.J. Hunt has done these so frequently that I think he could do it. Take it up to T.J. He's just off the street, have him do it over with a couple of cold ones over a weekend. Okay. I want to talk Q&A because that's our, everybody loves the cues. Now remember, you two

can ask questions at the Cars and Bids this car pod. You just have to go to cars and bids.com, go to the communities tab, and there will be a post there where you can put in your questions and we will answer the top upvoted question. And the questions, five of them maybe. And this week, The top upvoted question is from the farce. Question for the fellas. He doesn't know you're here, but you can answer. That's fine. I'm a fella.

What sports car or supercar should get the Dakar slash Sterato treatment? Personally, I think making an off-road R-35 GTR would be cool. But what sports car or supercar should get the Dakar? Is the new, new, GTR still the R-35? Yeah. They updated the... No, okay. Yeah, that's R-35.

Yeah, since 10. I thought they did the refresh. I don't know if they did it a thousand times, but it's still the R-35. That should be. The answer to this question, Nick? I mean, there's a lot, including several we already talked about. The question was sport or supercar, right? I will first say that I personally would like to see an RS6 wagon made, like, combined basically an all road and the RS6.

Same with the E-63 and the All-Track or whatever they call it. Remember they did that all-terrain E-class concept car with portal axles? It doesn't make sense that we're not doing this treatment to, non-sports cars first. The Uris, the Perosanway, the McLaren, whatever it will become. There are so many cars, you should decar everything or have that as an option. I agree with that. Yes, this. The E400 All-Terrain 4x4 squared. That was an actual concept car Mercedes-Benz did. That is something. Not good looking. Maybe I take back everything I just said. Wagons do not look good,

lifted with big wheels. We don't actually want these things. What would be a good off-road build. I mean, my answer was the 9-11. I actually think a 9-11 turbo would be super cool. They did it with a current S, which is fine, but not as cool. I think a turbo would be cool. What else would be really good off-roaded? Anything. Kind of. At the moment, I think it would work for a little bit. A G.R. Corolla. I don't think it works for anything. I think a 296 would look dumb. I think McLaren's would look weird. Aspark owl. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. Remember that seven series you found? That was turned into like a Dakar

tribute. Like it worked surprisingly well on a lot of hours. Yeah, yeah. I'm looking through like new supercars right now. I'm looking at your Ford GT right now. Yeah, that could look cool. I don't know. I don't know.

You know what would be cool is a Bentley Continental GT, like the one that Tucker did. That would be cool. I don't think it's as cool for supercars, to be honest. I think the Starado did great, but I don't think like generally, I think a 750S would look weird off-road in. It seems like if you're the type of company that's trying to push a product

no one wants or is having trouble validating the excuse to upgrade then make a special edition of that like special editions have always been a way to push a tired vehicle so that mustang for instance if it's not selling for sticker to car the strata though was a pretty it was pretty considerable it wasn't just like your car but the hurricane's been out forever and they're they have to keep coming up with special editions because they're unwilling to refresh it sooner the mustang actually would be you know it'd be cool xj 220 um actually he said r35 gtr that would actually be It would be cool. Maybe.

I will say, you don't even, like, nobody's going to take it off road. You just have to say that there's suspension travel, and like, that's it. I would have taken a story. You go on Instagram. I follow the Starado hashtag on Instagram as I nearly bought one, and there's some off-road content. The beginning did it well, but you don't have to. I agree with you, though, that they first should be doing it with the off-roaders. I think a, or with the SUVs, a Puro-Songue, a Bentega, an Ures off-road version, I think would be cool.

I think it would look right. My problem with these brands is like, they're like, oh, we make the best sports cars. We can make the best sport SUV. Don't you think if you make the best sports cars, then for SUVs, you can make the best off-road SUV. Like, that's the thing that makes sense. If you already have the sports car, you don't need another sports car. You need something. If you've conquered the track realm with a car, now conquer the off-road realm.

And that's what Lambo did with the Nick Special. Yeah, the LMO too. I'm a little surprised that you haven't named a convertible to be off-roader, given that you are an off-road convertible fan. Yeah, I am. That's L-C-3. No, that would be weird. Avoke. Well, I mean, that's not really a sporty car.

Okay, next question from Dulex. Question for Doug, do you regret reviewing a car and if yes, which one? Why? Not really, but I do regret meeting some of the people I have met along the way. Some of the car owners, I sincerely regret. If you're watching this, he does not mean you. I don't mean you. I don't know who you are.

I don't mean you. I mean a different guy. No, actually, most of the car owners are great. Some of them are... Woo! I'll put that in a book later. Do they usually match who you'd expect, like, the type of owner that buys this car is the level of frustrating you would expect?

Yeah. And the rich of the person, the more kind of difficult they tend to be. I will say, I want to give a shout out here to our buddy, Manny Coachman, who has a ridiculous group of cars and you go there thinking, is this guy going to just be annoying? He was like the nicest dude. And even just most down to earth, good, like, nice person listens, talks, like has all absolutely astonished by it,

given that the kind of guy who has a Wira and a P1 and a Veroon and a Vero. on you generally think is probably up to some illegal stuff and yeah and it has some tattoos you know that that of like people shooting people uh but i i liked them a ton and i but there have been some other people who are more questionable let's put it that way yeah and there were some people who were like legitimately questionable like i think later they were arrested who hasn't been uh so there you go next question from rings queue this is an interesting question That we're going to have very different answers to. What is the oldest model year car you would be willing to buy as a daily driver today?

I need adaptive cruise with auto start stuff. Your daily drive is three miles to an office. Not always. No, but like basically. I do 20,000 miles a year in daily driver cars. That's because sometimes your three-mile drive is 30 because you just do loops of the highway. But you don't have adaptive cruise for that. I do daily, no, in my Mercedes and my Mercedes and my car's.

I do 20,000 miles a year. 10,000 miles that is driving across the country one. Well, right, and I... Fair. Fair. I want adaptive. That's fair. So, for me, it's like...

22. For a true daily driver. Yeah, that's going to say something very different. Yeah, Nick, go for it. I mean, my newest car right now is a 2014. Same. And, like, I think Bluetooth is a nice feature, but you can even add that. Like my Celine Explorer, I put a tape deck that converted to Bluetooth.

That's my condosh, yeah. So, I mean, I think as long as it runs okay, like, I'm pretty good with whatever. Like, I don't think I would want to go to, like, a Model T. Your cayenne was, like, a hundred grand u and doesn't have a dathroo. I think fuel injection. Oh, no, it was very rare on those 9-2a cayens. Yeah, I wouldn't. The cayenne, by the way, I have retrofitted carplay too.

Yeah. I retrofitted a 991.2 steering wheel, too. I have basically made it a modern cayenne. The modern cayenne looks identical, so nobody can tell the difference. And it did have adaptive crews. I didn't spring for that. I have started this very controversial viewpoint that not only do I think that the 92A, the original 92A cayenne is the best looking, cayenne, I think it's the only good

looking cayenne. No. Yeah, the second in 92A, which was sold from 2011 to 2000, the 9PA. So everybody out here with your 955. We're going deep on Khylands here. In the Porsche, in Porsche, it's the 9PA and the 92A. Enthusiasts have renamed them the 955 and the 958, but nobody at Porsche has ever called them that.

And you know why we called it the 958? Why? Because the 959 was the greatest Porsche effect, and this is just slightly behind it. Oh, what an idiot. But to answer the question, when fuel injection became standard. So mid-80s would be a carb car every day? Kootch starts right up. As a daily carb cars can be very tough.

temperamental. If it's too warm, it might not start. There's just... People in the 70s got places. I'm not going to go around with a can of ether and shoot into the carbs every time I can't get home from the grocery store. So that's... You're going to a hose pipe and a... I draw the line of fuel injection. I draw the line at Adaptive Cruise and good adaptive cruise, so it's like two years ago. Although I am spoiled by the fact that I have and actually probably drive just as much in terms of seat time, some very special older cars. So even while I say this, it's not even entirely true. I drive for the office in a sports car.

I think my verdict, it depends how we're defining daily driver. My daily drive generally is to the office, and I don't really care. It's kind of whatever. Sometimes you walk. Yeah. For like a general, like our regular family car, I care a lot about safety. Yeah. And that sets like a year limit.

Yeah. Just probably like 10, 15 years old. Yeah. That would have been the correct answer for me. Sorry. To my wife. To my wife. She listens to this.

Airbags are the correct cutoff, not fuel injection. Yeah. Well, yeah, for front single-state. Right. You really want side curtain. Right. Okay, next question. And this is a good.

We'll do two more. Two more. Next question. We buy zero death cars. From Gianqui, Gianqui, Gianquille, to Doug and Felipe, Kenan might think this is sacrilege. We'll see if Nick does. Is there a manual transmission so bad that you would do an auto conversion if no other choice given? What other?

No. I was thinking about this when I put this question in. I can't think of a car that I would convert away from manual unless I wanted to daily it. And even then, I can't think of... There are a lot of bad manual. I mean, the Toyota Camry was offered with the manual two gens ago. It wasn't good. But you can find tips of those so easily. Or like an S-10 or like any like of those old, older American pickup trucks. Yeah. But again, tips are available. I've got a hot take that I'm surprised you didn't lead out with. NAS Defenders pre-97. Only came in manual. If you were off-roading and automatic is strongly preferred and the market

It agrees. Off-road trucks in general, I think... Still on a manual. Tips are better. The 957 Kyan GTS on your site is a manual. A hundred people have sent it to me. It's so cool. It's a manual.

It's like, yes, but Kyan is a daily driver. It might be fun to row your own gear sometimes, but if I'm going to... The thing about the cars that we're talking about, though, the thing about all the cars we're talking about, though, is they were offered with a... Yeah. So you could... You don't even really... We're saying manual on...

Well, I get the sense that the thrust of the question is, you couldn't get this car with an an auto so you convert it because you're so like people could invert vipers to early vipers to auto or drag racing sure if i lost my left leg yeah if there was a real need yeah but then just except that there's better there's not a lot of cars that came in manual only at least in the last few decades like the b7 rs four was manual only but but that was a great manual and that's yeah even even thinking back before that like there's nothing i would like want to enjoy i mean I mean, I, even doorcloth. Like, I don't care if the manual's bad in a lot of cars.

It's just like, once you do it for a while, you don't think about it. I don't, but I'm driving a such-ship car. I'm not thinking about. Yeah, the kuntosh, the clutch is heavy, the shifter's heavy. But, like, what I put a dual clutch in that car? Hell no. But also, even if it's a shitty one, like, all Fiat Pandas are, you just do it. It's like light, it's easy.

Get it. Last time we were in Europe or in Italy, I rented a, like, camper van that had a manual. It wasn't enjoyable, but you just do it. It's like, it's a habit. My dad has a 39 Rolls Royce race with three on the tree. So it's a manual transmission. Manuals on the column are tough. Any manual on the column, you probably want to, especially a 39 rolls.

Like the driving experience, it's meant to be driven. That car you just want to put into gear. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't offered in an automatic since that was not the technology at the time. All right. We're going to do one more question, and it's a great one. And I'm going to give you a wonderful tip here. This is from Kapura. Are you going to give them the real tip?

Yeah, I am going to give him the real tip. Doug just talked before about how he takes cross-country trips at speed. What tips would you give to someone who wants to drive quickly from California to New England? Do you use any anti-cop technologies? Okay, this is the real truth of this. I drive every year across the country and backs. Twice a year I drive from Southern California to Cape Cod, which is the farthest you can drive. And I used to get a lot of tickets doing this drive.

One a year, basically, right? I basically got one a year. And I learned something, which is the following. Great tip. If you drive from California to the East Coast, or literally anywhere, every state between California and the East Coast is a rear license plate only state, except for two, which is California and Texas. And what I learned is that all the people in the states between California and Virginia, which is the first two-plate state that I re-enter, and then every state after that is two-plate. Right. California, every person in the states of Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Tennessee,

they hate Californians and Texans. And so by driving through the estates with a front plate, you're basically putting a sign on your car saying, I am a Californian or a Texan, and so they want to pull you over. And I really think in New Mexico, I was pulled over for going 10 over the speed limit and given a ticket. And I really think I was singled out. New Mexico is a one plate state. So after that, at the Arizona border, I remove my front license plate, and I don't put it back on until I get to Virginia.

And since doing that, I haven't changed a single thing about my driving behavior. I continue to drive the exact same speed. And guess what? I have not gotten a ticket. Can I give a related suggestion? I think to our friend Douglas, I have never forget 9-11 remembrance plates on my car, which is like an American flag, California plate. Oh, you think that. strongly believed that also helps.

Actually, the real anti-I have think would be getting purple heart plates. Yeah. Or prisoner of war. Which I saw yesterday on a car here in California. Plates are easy to identify. I think do hurt. California plates are super identifiable, and everyone in the middle of the country

hates Californians. And they generally people in states hate people using their state as like a cut through. And so pulling your front plate is interesting. And also generally people in the middle of the country don't like Texans either. Oklahomaans, Arkansas, they think Texans get all the glory and they hate those people. And California and Texas plates look fairly similar if you're a cop sitting on the side of the road or the radar gun. They're both white and you're clearly from out of town. And you're definitely from out of town.

So it doesn't even matter if you're a California or Texas. Either way, you're an out of town jackass and we hate you. So you pull off the front plate, literally do this at Yuma, Arizona, every single time. And I've not gotten a ticket since. And you don't do any radar detectors or anything else. Don't need to. Got my front plate off. I look like a local New Mexico now.

Also, as with many car people, I think that we're all pretty good at spotting police officers. I do run Waze and Google Maps. I don't like Ways as a navigation tool, but as a police spotting tool is pretty good. And then Google Maps is a much better name. Of course, Doug's real strategy is to drive exactly to speed limit and that solves that. Honestly, the last time I did it, I just realized it's not worth. No. It's just not worth it.

Five over? No, I'll do 10. 14, I think sometimes. A 9 to 14, I think they'll generally give you. And the ticket at 14 over is basically nothing anyway, you know. Whenever I see next service area 30 miles away, I think, all right, I got 29 miles to just book it. This is an autobahn. That's what that sign means. All right, those are, that is our podcast today. Nick, thank you for coming in.

Thank you for having me. Thank you for bringing a P-38 Range Rover in. We are now going to take it off-roading, which will be a video that you will see later. I'm bringing a lot of recovery gear in my Sequoia. I've got a lot of tools as well, so we can remove the battery terminal. I have a jump box that I'm charging right now. You're not going far. Will you make it? Will there be an off-roading video? I've put about 600 miles on it. As long as it's... 50 minutes to the trailhead.

It's left me starting it four times, but every time it didn't start. So as long as it starts, it'll get there. I'm not towing you... I'll tell you if you get stuck off the obstacle. I'm not towing you like... The real risk is I'm in a basement right now that requires going up a car elevator. I'm worried it'll get stuck underground. I've always worried about it.

This would be the car to do it. I have pushed vehicles. We will... To avoid starting the bottom. This is a pretty heavy one, but we can do it. But you do it.