THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Mercedes AMG Reveals Ugly 1340HP Sedan, Next Lexus Supercar Spotted, RX-7 Rumors?

Starting point is 00:00:04 Hello and welcome to this car pod. I am Kenan. I'm Felipe. And today there's a lot to cover. Let's start with the big one. The new Mercedes AMG GTXX, which has just been announced. It is this thing, bright orange. It has 1,3 horsepower.

Starting point is 00:00:22 It's a four-door sedan. It'll do 223 miles an hour. The downside is it is electric and it looks like this. It's not beautiful. I would describe it as a bottom dweller fish. Yeah. No. It's not that bad.

Starting point is 00:00:37 Here's my impression. It looks very Maserati from the front. It does look like a big green trees. They look like fishes too. Look, the rear picture is actually quite, the front picture has been circulating, but the rear picture is actually quite a bit more enticing. I don't know if you can pull that up, but there's a cool rear image where it's like got a big old, yeah, yeah, go, the tail lights look cool.

Starting point is 00:00:58 Anyway, the point is it's a 1,300 horsepower electric sedan. Now, we had talked about they preempt. previewed this. Yeah, pull that up. See, that looks kind of cool, right? Is there no back window? I mean, no, and it says AMG over where the window would be, which is a great feature. Yikes.

Starting point is 00:01:15 So it's for a certain type of clientele. Anyway, the point is, the point is, is that AMG on the back digital between the lights? Yep. That does look digital. That's a digital badge. That's rare. The point is, this is obviously intended to be a competitor for the Lucid Air Sapphire. the Tycon TurboS, et cetera.

Starting point is 00:01:36 Those cars aren't really the biggest sellers. No, I will say there's some interestingly news hidden within this. It's some new battery technology for Mercedes. It's on an 800-volt electrical architecture, which I don't think other Mercedes are. They claim that it can charge 248 miles of range in five minutes. I assume you have an 850 kilowatt charger, which obviously doesn't exist in the real world. But like, if it did, you could. You have your own nuclear power plant.

Starting point is 00:02:05 You can charge it quickly. Really fast. That's very helpful Mercedes. I do hope this is them taking a bunch of battery technology and motor technology for performance that then might get down the line. Did you see that there's going to be recycled rubber from GT3 racing tires in the interior? Did you see that part of the news store? I kind of like it, but I also roll my eyes hearing that. No, this is sustainable.

Starting point is 00:02:28 Regardless of all that, and I think it's obviously the power number is amazing. I don't think it looks bad. I think it looks a little weird. It's a little bit of a shame that it's going to cost, they haven't announced pricing, but it's going to cost, what, $300,000? Yeah. This market segment is not exactly alive with the sound of music.

Starting point is 00:02:46 You know what I'm saying? What is it Tycon Turbo GT cost? Because that's what this competes? Yeah, this has like 200 more horsepower than that. But those are expensive cars, and they're not, I mean, is there a huge market for people who want 1,300 horsepower, or fully electric cars, the automakers are discovering increasingly that there's not, right?

Starting point is 00:03:08 Like the Rimec Navarra and the Pinn and Frina-Batista, like they're all starting to discover, hey, people don't actually want, at this price point, car enthusiasts don't actually want full electric. I have a suspicion this might go down that road, too, no matter how exciting it may seem with recycled rubber and an AMD digital badge. I mean, I'm going to have fun reviewing it, but. Yeah. I do think it's a smart decision to have a standalone halo model in a lot of ways for what EV technology is. The issue with the Tycon TurboGT is that it looks like every other Tycoon.

Starting point is 00:03:36 Not really, but to everybody else, the Lucid or Sapphire is a Lucid Air. It's nice and different. Aren't you starting to realize, though, ultimately, that the enthusiast EVs are just not hitting? Like the I-8, the Dodge Charger EV, obviously, the Tycoon has been successful, but the depreciation is enormous, which suggests to me that they're having to push huge money on it to get it even out the door, and then it falls rapidly in the secondary market anyway because there's, not a lot of demand. And isn't that going to be this car, too, and any other enthusiast TV?

Starting point is 00:04:09 Here's what the, every automaker pretty much had backed themselves into a corner where they've stopped development of new engines. They can't actually put that much more power out of their existing 4-liter V8. And so you've got to release things that are electric right now. That's all they have in production or in- All I'm going to tell you is this. They might have more X's, but last week we talked about the ZR-1 regular X, single-X, not two X's. They got a lot of power through a big old gas engine. All I'm saying, and I bet you that

Starting point is 00:04:37 car sells fast. Admittedly, I'm stuck in 2011 where X-X's Ferrari's program, and that's really exciting, but, you know, I don't know. These will be cool when they're 130 grand, like a year later, which is a little bit. They'll be cool when they're 70 grand, two years later. I mean, I just, my personal opinion is, I think it's, I actually think it's cool. I bet it's going to get a ton of hate online because that's what happens, but I think it's pretty cool. I just think the enthusiast electric car, especially at this price point, I'm not sure there's, really a market. We're going to see these, and they're going to be the official promo car for this event

Starting point is 00:05:07 and that race and whatever. But, like, I'm not sure there's actually people out there who's that interested in these cars. And I just think if the manufacturers want to go electric, electric cars should be little sedans and crossovers that people like Felipe buy. I get the thought of a halo car for this. I doubt they're planning on selling many or any. I will also say it looks not very pretty, and that's a mistake.

Starting point is 00:05:30 And also, also, I don't know. How do you debut, like, the new technology? And traditionally, it's been with a halo car that then trickles down. So, like, the formula makes sense, but I agree that I just think things are so different now. Manufacturers should probably rethink how they approach stuff like this. You know how I debut new technology in a goal wing, rebodied as a modern car? Think about it, Mercedes-Benz. Think about it.

Starting point is 00:05:52 Give us our next news story, please. We have to move on from the fish car. Ah, yes. Yes. So recently there was a car spotted out wearing camouflage. This allegedly is going to be the Lexus S&E, LFR. This is supposed to be the replacement for the LFA. It was seen driving around Big Barrow Lake.

Starting point is 00:06:07 Wait, wait, wait. Can I stop here? Who was it seen by? Who was it seen by an individual, I believe, reads Motor Trend, has it sent it to them. There happened a bunch of spy photos that have gone to all deposes. Johnny didn't see this himself. Johnny, I think may have seen this one himself. I'm not sure, but Johnny. I'm going to talk about Johnny for a second.

Starting point is 00:06:24 Johnny Lieberman, who is Kennan's hero, okay? He posted this picture on his Instagram, and that's, how I know about this car. Johnny has a YouTube channel. I'm not promoting the channel because I'm not allowed to, but for the last 12 years, I've gone on Farrow's podcast every Christmas. You know about this? And I've said, why doesn't Johnny Lieberman have his own

Starting point is 00:06:44 YouTube channel? And now he's launched it, and it's called Johnny's Cars or something of that variety. And it's he's got one video out, and you should check it out. Johnny is a friend of the show. And by that, I mean, he has never been on the show, told me that he listens to the show. It's submitted anything

Starting point is 00:07:00 for the show. But I do have this number in my phone. Driving with Johnny is the name of the channel. Driving with Mike's. My mistake. Driving with Johnny. All right. And in this photo,

Starting point is 00:07:12 we were driving with Johnny because he spotted. You know why I don't want to talk about this? Because I know exactly why. Go ahead. You don't want to talk about it because this isn't the production car. It's not really news until it's a real thing. They're just driving this around. But why specifically do I feel that way about this car?

Starting point is 00:07:29 Do you remember? You might be too young, but I remember when the LFA debut. I, okay, yes. Yeah. It was about 87. And then 15 years later, the car actually came out. So I'm thrilled that Lexus is thinking about this, and I can't wait to discuss it upon its real debut in 2040

Starting point is 00:07:46 when it's down 3,000 horsepower compared to rivals. Yeah, exactly. The interesting thing to me is that you can clearly see it in the picture. There are four exhaust pipes, meaning it will have an engine of some kind. We don't know what. It's rumored that it will be a twin turbo V8. We'll see. But if it's a twin turbo V8 with a plug-in, Kenan, do you still respect it?

Starting point is 00:08:08 Sure, I suppose. I mean, I like the LFA a lot more, but, you know, what are you going to do? But nonetheless, it's, yeah, it's driving around, it's out there. Who knows when we'll, if, when, we'll see this? It's interesting that they're investing any effort in another Halo car. In another Halo car, it is kind of odd. Especially because ultimately, they realized with the LFA that it would be smarter to downscale the Halo, which they did with the LC, which I think has actually done an okay job of being a

Starting point is 00:08:33 halo car, not a great job, but an okay job. But the Halo car for the brand really ought to be the LX, right? Like Mercedes Halo car ultimately is the GWagon, despite all of their attempts to make it other things. Right. Like Lexus really ought to lean into the LX being their halo, but they keep trying with these sports cars that hit to a small audience. Well, it is interesting they've been hinting at that they may turn this into a GT3 car.

Starting point is 00:08:58 So it might be something they want to then take racing, which I could see being pretty cool for... They've been a big sponsor for some races lately. We did a bunch of ad reads for Lexus. Yes. Where they had race like an RCF car. Unfortunately, they no longer have an RC for sale. Like the Lexus RC is dead.

Starting point is 00:09:15 Right. But, you know. So I don't know. It could be something cool. Yeah. Remains to be cool. The concept of it is cool, but another automatic plug-in situation.

Starting point is 00:09:24 We're going down NSX. We're going on for a jurisdiction. We're going down NSX territory, so it'll be a cool. You love them. You love the truth. Yeah, I'm actually softening on the new NSX. I just want, can I tell you what I want?

Starting point is 00:09:34 I want three pedals and a V8. Welcome to my world. So sue me. You see what 911 SQ's are selling for in the secondary market? Yeah, V8, famously. Enthusius want, well, you get the point. I'll settle for a flat six if it's got seven million horsepower. All right, move on to the next new story.

Starting point is 00:09:54 If Lexus will do a flat six, we'll take that too. Okay, all right, moving on. This is not a news story. We're going to cover this. Yes, because there is actual news on this. Folks, welcome to the news where we talk about stuff that's going to happen in 2034. Okay, okay. For a long time, we've known that Mazel was talking about an RX-7-ish thing or some other sports car in their lineup.

Starting point is 00:10:17 Their chief technical officer said that there will be likely another rotary sports car that will be a separate model, not just like a version of that MX5 Miata. and it would be, they said it will be a good successor for the RX7. What have you heard more? That there's going to be another recession coming or that Mazda will come out with a new rotary powered sports car. I've been hearing that since the last one away 13 years ago. Remember the plans of like a rotary Mazda 6 and a diesel Mazda 6 in the U.S. and everything else Mazda has ever promised?

Starting point is 00:10:49 Anytime Mazda feels like they're losing enthusiasts on social media, they just drum up the idea. that they're going to make a rotary again. People are like, oh, they're going to do it this time. They're going to do it. It's like the mid-engine corvette, which was a rumor for 50 years. And the things they said about this, they did confirm this will be a 6-speed manual,

Starting point is 00:11:07 rear-road drive lightweight construction car, and that the rotary will serve as a generator for the electricity and they'll run the car. But I don't know. I don't know. We'll certainly see. I'll believe that when you can see it. You can say a lot of things.

Starting point is 00:11:23 It can say anything. Mercedes Ben's, confirms that they're making a 1,300 horsepower electric for a sedan. Mazda talks about making another rotary sports car. We'll see. Give us our next news story. There's not enough to cover here.

Starting point is 00:11:34 I don't believe that's news until it's real. Ah, yes, our next news story comes from Hertz. Filippa, you know about Hertz. Hertz is a rental car company. And they got this thing now where they're going to scan the cars for issues. So when you turn them back in, if you scraped it or dented it or whatever, they'll do a scan. As opposed to you sitting there in the sun at Nashville Airport,

Starting point is 00:12:01 arguing, arguing with the Hertz attendant as to whether you did the damage or not to the, to the Chevy Tahoe L.S. Correct. You've rented. Okay. So now they're doing this. They said they've already got it at Hartsfield in Atlanta. Yeah, they're launching it at the Atlanta airport.

Starting point is 00:12:18 I'm into it. So for a long, nobody else will be, by the way. I think I'm going to be alone in this. But for a long time, work okay. One of two things has happened. If you rent from like a region, like a local place,

Starting point is 00:12:29 the employee goes out there and like marks the car with you. And like that's fine. But then you're kind of relying on whatever like the person of that regional one in like small town North Carolina. And then the person in Massachusetts driving. Previous one. Right. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:45 Alternatively at like an airport or a large location, you just pick it up and drive away and they've looked at the car beforehand. They'll look at the car when you come back. And you have no visibility into anything. and it's so dependent on each individual person who was trained for 30 minutes on like a webinar on how to do it. I would kind of prefer that there's images

Starting point is 00:13:01 from every single angle of the car and like an actual proof of this is what the car looked like before you picked it up. I agree. Does what the car look like after you picked it up? I agree. People think they're going to use this to screw you

Starting point is 00:13:12 and they could. To be clear. They could. I mean, if it gets too obsessively detailed then people will stop renting from them so they have to be careful. But like if they have full 360 pictures, from before and after, it's going to be pretty clear what happened. Now, this is a good example

Starting point is 00:13:27 of why you should do what I always do when I rent cars, which is buy the insurance. By the rental car insurance is generally perceived among the populace to be a scam. However, when you have rental car insurance, you can crash the rental car, and I do often. The feeling of having rental insurance is so nice. The last time I crashed a rental car, which was the last car I rented, I just, I ran into the thing and I was like, well, I don't really care. I'm good. And then I just moved on with my day. Filippo, do you agree with me?

Starting point is 00:13:58 No, I've literally never been in any kind of motor vehicle accident, nor do I intend to. But I didn't, I want to be clear, I didn't hit a person or a vehicle. I ran into a cement thing. Oh, so something that was there not moving quite visible. Yeah, okay, that's better. I was trying to get into a tight parking spot and I was like, you know what? I got to get tight and I got tight. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:14:20 And now the next person that rents that vehicle won't be subject to the fines because they will know that you were responsible. And that's great. Yes, exactly. I will say part of this story was also that somebody got charged. They were like a little bit of some wheel, some curbing on the wheel. And the AI machine also said it's going to cost this much and this much and this much to fix it. And they thought it was outrageous.

Starting point is 00:14:41 But that's exactly what happens as is. It's somebody plugging it into a computer and reporting it out. Like that's not new. Yeah, that's exactly. And honestly, what happens as is sometimes you get charged for stuff you didn't even do. So at least in this case, I mean, people get into, you get into knock down, dragout fights with people, $1,300 and oh, that was already on there, and now you've got some proof. I will say, in the past, you could also game it by going to the employee that looked least engaged. But now you maybe can't.

Starting point is 00:15:09 And that's unfortunate. And this may put a stop to Kenan and my favorite thing, which is when we need tires, Kenan, I mean, I don't know if we should reveal this. But when Kenan and I, Kenan and I have shared a Ford Taurus for a while. And when we need tires, we go rent a Ford Taurus from Avis and then get new tires. Hey, man, maybe, you know, all of a sudden it looks like I have new tires. You know, it's a couple cold ones. So now the AI is going to detect that we did that. Oh, no.

Starting point is 00:15:35 Damn. And we have never siphoned fuel. We've never siphoned fuel. Well, could you have to return it. No, you prepay and then you take the fuel. You should say, you siphon fuel. from the airport parking lot. I will say the one thing that is notable is Hurd has been in the news a lot for stealing cars from their customers.

Starting point is 00:15:57 There have been a bunch of news stories and legitimate legal issues where somebody has rented a car and then had it towed away and Hertz says that they stole it. So it's a little questionable of how their systems work. Okay. That's a drawback, by the way. That's a big drawback. If you rent a car, you want to have the car for the duration of your rental. You do not want the car to be taken from you mid-rental. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:16 Correct. We have to hold the reservation. Anybody can just take them. When I crashed that minivan in Italy, like I still wanted the van. Like I wasn't. Yeah, all right. Let's move on to the next story. Here at this car pod, we're friends on and off camera.

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Starting point is 00:18:03 Send $5 to a friend within 14 days and you'll get $10 dropped right into your account. Turns apply, that's money, that's cash app. Oh my God. This is my favorite news story. This is the 2026 Nissan Armada Armada Nismo, which is real. A couple of things that will excite Kennan. Power is up. The normal Armada has 425 horsepower.

Starting point is 00:18:29 This has 460. If you go to the Middle East, the Nissan Patrol, which is the same car, Nismo actually has 35 more horsepower, but we're limited. 35 more horsepower than that. It has an aggressive body kit, as you can see. Very aggressive. two inch wheels, a retuned suspension and steering system. It is also lower than the regular one by some minimal amount.

Starting point is 00:18:52 That means that ground clearance, only 8.9 inches now. It's just insane. Why would you make a, like, this is... This car is exclusively for the Middle East. Like, it will be sold in the U.S., but it is for the Middle East. They've made that really clear. Like, they have said that their customers in the Middle East markets have requested this for some reason.

Starting point is 00:19:12 You go there, people do it. People mod them. But it is a car. I'm disappointed in myself because I've reviewed the regular one. Well, I reviewed the regular one, but I haven't posted the video yet. And now I've been upstaged. That you may not. You have.

Starting point is 00:19:28 Well, now I obviously have to review this because it's so appealing. So the Middle Eastern one has 495 horsepower. Kenon, that's more than that's 430. Now, would you rather have, and I bet they're the same money, would you rather have this for 30? This is $70,000. It's what they expect. Pricing has not been confirmed, but something in that. 70 would be a bargain because the sequoias are expensive.

Starting point is 00:19:52 Now, there's no GR Sequoia, but damn it, there should be. So this is real. When is it coming to dealers, Filippa? It should be landed in the fall. In the fall. Kenan, you're going to make a deposit? Absolutely not. It is quite a vehicle.

Starting point is 00:20:10 I guess good for the Middle East, though. It is people ripping around. Quite a vehicle. It is weird that they're doing this. They're making, they have an off-road version, which they should, and everyone does. Yeah, of course. It's weird that they're doing like a street performance. Right.

Starting point is 00:20:23 A vehicle that weighs as much as a small contract. One other reason you'll be excited. This is the highest output of the VR-35 DDTT engine is in the DeSarmada in the Middle East. Not here. I did not know that. Now I do. All right. Give us our next news story.

Starting point is 00:20:37 That's real. That's tangible. That's something you can touch. Oh, Thomas and James. Yeah. We love our friends. Throttle House, soon to be top gear, grand tour, whatever it is. But the story is not about them.

Starting point is 00:20:50 It's about the Rolls-Royce Specter, which is there's an all-electric Rolls-Royce. Yes. Rolls-Royce said in an interview with the drive last week that the Rolls-Royce is getting really young owners. So the average age for somebody that is new to Rolls-Royce and buying a Spectre, so where the Specter is their first car, first Rolls-Royce, is 35 years old. Wow, that is really young. It's really young.

Starting point is 00:21:12 Apparently, on average. Considering what those costs. Isn't that like a $400 plus $1,000 car? Yes, I believe so. Yep. Apparently the average Rolls-Royce owner is now only 42, that they used to be around around 60 years old, like 10 years ago. That surprises me, too.

Starting point is 00:21:27 I'm sure the colon has helped with that. That's a surprise. Yes. Yep. And it just, I suspect their goal was that these would sell. They clearly are selling two young consumers in a way that I don't associate with Rolls-Royce. You know, 40% of Specter buyers, are new to Rolls Royce.

Starting point is 00:21:44 Like, their first Rolls Royce of Specter. I got to tell you, we talk a lot about how EVs aren't the biggest sales cars, especially at the price point. I do see, when I'm in California, I do see a lot of spectres around. Because when you really think about it, like the world of EV,

Starting point is 00:21:58 this is perfect for the world of EV. It's quiet. Torque for days. Yeah. Yep. I've always felt that. I felt that this is the perfect up. Because the engine, when you drive a phantom,

Starting point is 00:22:10 it's like the, you know, as you do. the V12 really isn't part of the experience that you appreciate the smoothness and refinement but you don't hear it, you're not supposed to do. In fact, they're intentionally trying to engineer it out, essentially, which electric allows you to do. Totally, and the car weighs a ton already,

Starting point is 00:22:25 so it's like you're not really looking to conserve weight necessarily. Of all the EVs I've driven, obviously the desirable, the Model Y and the Machia are really good, but this is one of my favorite EVs I've driven. I think it is just a perfect application, really well done. I think an SUV would probably be a smart move, But I don't know how well they actually sell. I see them depreciating and with offers,

Starting point is 00:22:46 but that's kind of true of all roles. Cullinans have lost a lot of value. But it's an appealing car, and if it's gotten young people to rolls, they're probably really into that. They must be thrilled. And by the way, if you're 35 and don't own a Rolls-Roy Specter, do better.

Starting point is 00:23:00 Do better. Kenon, do you have any advice for non-Roles Roy Spector owners? Well, I mean, you can always get used fans on cars and vids and start there. I'm not ready to move on from this news story. We got Thomas and James there, and I want to talk about Stradman. I want to talk about Stradman. Now, Stradman's not related to Thomas and James.

Starting point is 00:23:20 I don't know if they've ever even met, okay? They may have never even met. But Stradman is selling his Koenig. And do you have any thoughts on that? Yes. Good. I mean, it was inevitable, right? Like, the amount of money he was paying for that car

Starting point is 00:23:36 and how unreliable it is is seemingly all Konigiegs are. Like, it's just, it's not a surprise at all. That's less newsworthy than the Nissan. I've said many times that Stradman is my guilty pleasure. Like I love watching him. That is switched to Whistland Diesel. I'm not guilty about Stradman anymore. I'm just open about it.

Starting point is 00:23:53 I am, Whistland is like guilty pleasure, right? But Stradman, Stradman's selling the Conan thing. That is big YouTuber news, folks. Mark it in your calendars. As soon as it happens, because it's obviously famously easy to sell a $3.1 million,

Starting point is 00:24:10 a used car that was previously owned by a YouTuber should be an easy, easy sale. I'll happen tomorrow. I've no doubt. The Connick Sink market is strong like ox. There aren't that many. That's got to help. All right. He did drive me real miles in the time he owned it. He got to experience it.

Starting point is 00:24:29 He said in his video where he announced it that he's hopeful to eventually own another one, which I do believe he truly is. But I get it. The best thing to do with the Conigigig is to sell it. I hate to say this. And I don't know if I'm revealing any secrets here that I shouldn't be, but I know a few people who own Konexig's and they all have endless problems. And it's not like you can go down to your local Konexig dealer or in Philippo's case to a shade tree mechanic down the street who does break jobs in the parking lot of his apartment complex and ask for servicing. I mean, you can ask a guy.

Starting point is 00:24:59 He'll do it. They fly a fellow in from Sweden, whose name is Lars, probably, and he's got to work on it. And they're difficult. That's the drawback of building everything, every single component in-house. It's a cool idea in theory. In practice, it leads to a lot of issues. And Stratus had a considerable amount of issues with his car, and they're difficult buys and difficult sells and difficult owns.

Starting point is 00:25:20 Yep. And that's kind of exact. Also, 35 grand a month is quite a carry cost. Yep. That's a lot, baby. 35. Is that much? Because he's leasing it, so it's a fixed monthly payment.

Starting point is 00:25:32 What do you drop $45 grand a month on? I mean, I would buy, $35,000 cars every month. That sounds nice to me. You can have the nice to see 3-9 and 5 every month. No. All right, move on. We get more news. We can't have more news. There must not be anymore. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:25:48 I'm not talking about the Ferrari boat. I'm not discussing it. Move on in the next year. Move on. Move on. Oh, come on. We announced they're doing a boat. It's not interesting. Move on. But I have such a good joke about it. Ferrari also sell jackets and hats and key chains. No, I want to do this. Can't please do the joke?

Starting point is 00:26:01 Try it and do the joke and we will laugh and then you have to move on. Okay. Do you want me to go back. No, no, keep going. Yeah, yeah, go back, but we're not going to re-edit this. So you go back. All right, all right.

Starting point is 00:26:13 All right, what's the next news story, Kenan? I can't wait. All right. All right. Despite this looking like some sort of fly, Ferrari has announced that they're going to build a boat, a racing boat. They're taking their racing, facing pedigree, and applying it to not land, water. Water.

Starting point is 00:26:31 Some would say that maybe they should make sure their wings are screwed together so they don't get disqualifying from Lamont or, I don't know, try to win a race in my lifetime. But instead, they've decided, no, we're going to build a boat. They are running out of stuff to do. This is just the most ridiculous things I've seen. Can I buy the boat? Is Stradman going to buy this boat?

Starting point is 00:26:50 You can't buy the boat? And they're not even sure what they're going to use it for. They're going to go test it and they said, if it's eligible for something, we'll do it. More useful consumer advice on products from the company that we love in Italy. The project is being led by Joevani Solini, who's an experienced Italian Ocean Sailor, I mean, Marco Villano. He is, yes. He's reading what I hyperlinked.

Starting point is 00:27:10 But great. It looks like a fly, and it's going to say Ferrari on it. It's not going to be built the Ferrari factory. Mateo Lanzavakia has been the CTO of Ferrari hyper sales since 2022. Can I say something about this? Can I say something about this? I really liked the 612. So me too.

Starting point is 00:27:28 Okay. And the 599. Excellent. Go back. You're all to hear it. Focus on cars. Let's go. Can we move on?

Starting point is 00:27:35 Do we have more to talk about? That is all. All right. That's great. All right. We move on to the talk car. The news is over. Thank God.

Starting point is 00:27:42 We move on to the talk car segment. Now, in this segment, we're going to talk about cars. Now, the talk car segment is brought to you by Kennan. I thought it brought us by Johnny Lieberman. It's brought those by Kennan, but specifically the video he did with the DWP9. You know what? Actually, the talk car segment today is brought to you by the border division of the California Highway Patrol. Kenan, can you pull up the picture, please?

Starting point is 00:28:07 The border division of the California Highway Patrol. Good to see you guys out there. All right, let's move on to the talk for a second. Kenan, what do you get for us today? So quite a few things. So the first thing I would like to talk about is a car that we have live on the site that I'm very, very excited about. It's not that Mercedes thing.

Starting point is 00:28:28 It's this car. So we have an E9 BMW Batmobile, the E9-9-3-1. leader CSL Batmobile, a legitimate series, or is it Siri? It's the first of the second series. So it's the one you want to have the body kit and it's live on cars and vids. I did a video on it. You should go watch it. It was a lot of fun to put together. But this car, this car is unbelievable. It's the non-city package, which is important in the CSL community, of which Felipe is a part, clearly. But it has like all the lightweight stuff that BMW intended. It has the body kit. It has the M colors. It has a nice restoration. And I got to drive in. It was lovely. And I just,

Starting point is 00:29:04 I can't believe we have this car at the site. This makes me so happy because it's so... This is a legitimate icon, something I have, like, bowed down at the altar of and just in awe of. And to get to drive one and then to have it on cars, it gets just a threat. E9 is incredibly cool. The Batmobile is incredibly cool. Very, very, very special. I want to give a shout out to Kennan's video.

Starting point is 00:29:28 Not the Kennan made a video about this car, which is on the Cars and Bids YouTube channel, I think. And, Kenan made a video about the car, and it's incredible. It's like really high quality. Like, you know, my videos, it's not like that. It's good. No. It's actually good. Right.

Starting point is 00:29:45 And the video is obviously coinciding with the auction, which is trying to sell this automobile here to some lucky Batmobile owner. It's just a very, very high quality video for a very, very special high quality car. And it's very, very much worth going to watch the video because it's really, really cool. And the car is really cool. It's a worthy video of a very special car. Yeah. Well, thank you.

Starting point is 00:30:07 And credit to Sean and our production team that helped put it together. I mean, it was, it was just a thrill. Like, it all comes together very nicely. And look at this video. Yeah, the video is good. You say credit to Sean. Is he the fellow who told me to get rid of the hats? Is that the same Sean?

Starting point is 00:30:22 No, no, no, no, different Sean. Different Sean. Very beautiful video. Please go watch the video. Check out the auction. You know, I've always felt this car was cool. I haven't paid a lot of attention to it. Until this, now it's live.

Starting point is 00:30:33 and I went through all the pictures. Damn, what a thing. Hey, Kenneth, what are those seats like? I was thinking about this when I was looking at the pictures there. Are they tight? Completely unusable. Yeah, they're the hardest seats in the world to get into. They look like it's a cross between, like you could tell,

Starting point is 00:30:48 this is supposed to be a seat, but they're the most aggressively bolstered things in the world. Yeah. But they're more like, it's the 70s idea of a lounge chair. Like it's not. With bolsters. Yeah, it's like, yeah, exactly. This is like, if Eames designed a racing seat, this is it. In the days before, like, real sports seats where they figured out how to do it right, this is kind of what you had.

Starting point is 00:31:09 Honestly, it's a pretty cool, aggressive sports seat for the early 70s. This is better. I mean, you get into a 60s Ferrari and you have like a chair. Yeah, you weren't slight. I didn't slide around in this thing, but getting in and out was really difficult. Yeah, because the bolsters are so high. It needs, like, a fold-away bolsters. Well, that and the steering wheel comes out so far and is such so large in diameter, like squeezing between it.

Starting point is 00:31:29 There's not a lot of room. Yeah. But the seats were wild and the look of the car is crazy. I have to say driving it around Orange County, which is specifically like Newport Beach, Crystal Cove, like Laguna Beach, that area. Sees a lot of crazy cars. Everybody freaked out over this thing. People, like, we had to get gas in it and everybody came out of the gas. They were like taking pictures of it.

Starting point is 00:31:49 I was stunned at how much attention it got. Some people knew it was. Some people didn't. But like it was. People said Batmobile? Well, people are like, yeah, like they knew it was like a CSL. There were some people like that. But then there are a lot of people like, what is that?

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Starting point is 00:34:11 This isn't just because Kenan is obsessed with BMW. Kenan, tell us about the Z-8. Ah, yes, so it's not live on the site yet, but it will be soon. So I recently drove a BMW Z-8 when we were in New Orleans. It's one of the cars that's coming shortly in a series that we filmed a couple of cars there. And it's perfect. That's the car I've been searching for forever. Yeah, I'm stunned by those.

Starting point is 00:34:32 Nobody is surprised at all. Yes, nobody is surprised by that. But the thing is, it's like, it isn't, it was really negatively reviewed in its time because it was, like, supposed to be a sports car, and it was like, BMW just doesn't do Halo cars all that well. The CSL was great, and it was built for homologation purpose, which was fine. The M1 that came after it, like, as a halo car was a sales failure. Then the 850 CSI, sales failure.

Starting point is 00:34:56 So the AMA. Yeah, no, you're right. The Z8, continue it. The Z8 was what had its issues in its day. Then the IE was their next Taylor car, which also was a huge dud. BMW has never been able to figure this out. No, I think the ZA relative to what it was, is probably the most successful of them.

Starting point is 00:35:14 But it also was never followed up by anything. The car was so good, and I really enjoyed driving it. And to the point, like, it wasn't that it wasn't like a sports car or a supercar, it is one of the best cruises I've ever experienced. Like, you just use one of the cruise top down on the PCA. What did you like? It's your same power train. I mean, I think one of the things that I like about that car, obviously it's beautiful.

Starting point is 00:35:35 The interior, I think, doesn't get enough credit for how special it is. It is special. It's very special. It has some very unusual and special design elements that I think go well above and beyond, that they really could have done parts bin, and they really did not do that. I think it's cool as hell. In its day, it was thought to be maybe a little too soft for a supercar, and it has never appreciated greatly because of that.

Starting point is 00:35:55 However, as all these cars now are outclassed in terms of speed by everything, I imagine the experience is cool. Is that what you enjoyed? Like the sort of cruising around in an M5 convertible? Yes. I mean, there were a number of things. So yes, the power train is great. It also weighs 500 pounds less

Starting point is 00:36:11 than the M5. And so it was it wasn't slow. But it is interesting because, yeah, like you said, it's 400 horsepower is the same as the Ferrari 360. And so, like, people didn't know where it fit, but I yeah, the interior stuff is very special. I taught you that you squeeze the headrests to raise and lower them, which I think all BMW should have that.

Starting point is 00:36:29 It makes so much sense. But as someone who just like appreciates that era of BMW and like, it just combines the exoticness of the top-down experience with all the special touches, the metal like strakes on the steering wheel on, it just makes you feel special. The M5 does too, but it's a completely different thing. And so that car, it's a very different car. The M5 is special, but the Z8 is like,

Starting point is 00:36:50 it's special on a totally different level. It's just that they didn't go all out for performance, and so it has never really caught on with the market. The market is always viewed it as a bit of a cruiser. But I'm not surprised it's a cannon car. I've considered getting one off and on over the years, only because I think they're kind of bargains. You can get in and out of them for about the same money,

Starting point is 00:37:08 and they're relatively reliable in the sense that, like, that motor is well known. You know, it's not like, it's known what goes wrong, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, I'm used to it. Bring it on. I will say that was the final point on this. It was interesting to drive, because the one I drove has like 23,000, 24,000 miles, something like that. It was interesting to drive a transmission that I'm used to with that low of myelgionic compared to mine.

Starting point is 00:37:32 Mine's worn in like a nice baseball glove, but that thing was crisp and perfect. Like it was like, that's how it would have driven. That is probably one benefit of the Z8s over a lot of the M5s. They're probably just generally nicer. Like the stuff hasn't, whatever breaks on the M5s at 100,000 miles, very few Cs have gotten. they're special so people took really good care of them or just didn't use them that much to be honest which means you have seals and things you have to deal with but generally generally speaking it lived up or tail lights do you want to tell about the tail lights the tail lights allegedly and i haven't

Starting point is 00:38:02 confirmed this but you claim there's no allegedly go on the z8 forums dude you're not spending time on the z8 forums i will cross-reference the part on real oem and take a look and make sure for sure that it is as expensive as you say but allegedly each tailite each individual neon tail light because they used neon for some reason is 10 grand. No, no, no, no. It's 10 grand for the payer. Oh, no. Never mind.

Starting point is 00:38:24 I just said that's not something. That's what it costs now. Well, the difference, there's two big differences, Felipe. Number one is these fail because the intent was that they would use neon. LEDs hadn't really, we weren't sure where we were going after halogen. BMW decided to pioneer neon lights with this car. Obviously, LEDs became the thing instead. Everything else went with LAD.

Starting point is 00:38:51 It's the only car that ever had neon. They fail pretty regularly. I'm on the Z8 forums right now, and it says 49-19 with tax for one taillight. That is not included install. So it's 10 grand for a pair plus install. You're buying $2,000 a dollar car. It's fine. I'm not looking to spend $10,000 on taillights.

Starting point is 00:39:10 Well, don't have the fair then. Felipe just thinks stuff should be expensive. You know, back in my day, you pay more. you get more. I will say, to be fair, remember when the Z8 came out, BMW was like, we're going to have a 100 years

Starting point is 00:39:24 supply of parts or whatever. That was their thing. I could tell you from experience face of the engine, that is a lie. They just lied. Total lie. All right.

Starting point is 00:39:32 They just wanted to prop up a resale. That's the question. When do we reach the point where an equivalent mileage M5 is the same as the Z8? Because like a really low mile, 10,000 mile M5 at this point is 150, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:39:47 They never come up for sale at that low miles. Like a 5,000 mile Etherneton 5, 5,000 miles, EA? That's probably close. That's not that dumb of a question. It's not as dumb as it seems on its face. That's where I thrive. I think it is probably close and probably the person who wants them wants both. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:07 But I don't know. That's an interesting point. We'll have to see us. All right. Can you still evolve? I want to talk about Felipe, the last talk cars that we're able to talk about. We'll do two. We got to talk.

Starting point is 00:40:16 You can tell us about your. your 10,000 mile GTI experience. Go ahead. Yeah, I've had the GTI that I bought on cars and bids about five months ago. We've driven that 10,000 miles. Bought it with just about 13,000 miles. Wow. We crossed 23,000 lives last weekend.

Starting point is 00:40:31 It's impressive. It's a lot of miles on that car. It's been wonderful. There was a squeak that was happening that was driving me insane. And then I tightened the headlight and the squeak went away. How this occurred? I have no idea, but it did. But now we're good.

Starting point is 00:40:46 The squeak was the headlight, moving just a tiny bit and rubbing against the bumper. God. And I don't know, whatever. I tighten it in my mother-in-law's driveway and it's good now. Okay. Sounds good. But I am considering, I've had it for 10,000 miles.

Starting point is 00:41:00 New used car prices, because my car's only two years old, are up. So here's the thing. I've been looking around and I've been offered to sell the car for a amount that makes me money. Bought the car for 21 grand. The used car market is really hot right now, especially for just like off a brand. brand new cars because of tariffs. Values have gotten up for those cars specifically. And I could make money.

Starting point is 00:41:24 I could sell it for like 24, 25 grand. He's out already. That's four grand more than I paid. 20. All in, I'm at 24 and I'm driven at 10,000 miles. And I could sell it for 24. And 10,0003 miles is real. Yeah, but it's a vehicle that currently provides utility.

Starting point is 00:41:42 You'd have to replace it unless we want to replace it. I would replace it, but I could replace it with something fun, like a 997 or a 911. or a C7 or some of that. Or you, I don't know, could have just bought that car in the first place and I have to go through this. But instead I drove 10,000 miles for free. Have you sold your Fiat or not? No, I really need to, but. God.

Starting point is 00:41:59 Having got around. There's nobody who does, who is less of a thing doer. This is so, you're trying to get rid of the car you just bought because you can get out of it. Not by, you can't like make a bunch of money. You can get out of it without losing it. 10,000 miles. I doubled the miles and I spent nothing. That's not bad.

Starting point is 00:42:15 Can I tell you something? You bought your home. home like two and a half years ago, right? I bet you could sell that for what you paid. I actually saw it for more and man, do I think about it. You get out of it for two and a half years, pay nothing. It's pretty good. That's pretty good.

Starting point is 00:42:28 I got two and a half years of living out of that house. Didn't pay a thing. Now, I would be thrilled if that were the case, if we were a crazy car and you had the experience and it cost you nothing, like my F-355 did. But instead, you got to drive around a GTI with a stereo that didn't work and a headlight that squeaked. The Boulder fix and the car is excellent.

Starting point is 00:42:46 But like, shouldn't I have an actual fun sports car? Yes, you should have been. You should have been first. But I did it. And now we're driven 10,000 miles. We begged you the first time to do it. Oh, you were so talking. I wasn't ready.

Starting point is 00:42:58 I went on this long rant in some group text threat about people and like where they want to go with cars and where they end up with cars. And you're such a great example. Like the reason some of these cars are special like a 9-11 or a Corvette is because like a lot of the guys who talk about getting them end up on a GTI. and that's what happened here. And now you're still told me. I can fix my errors. Well, fine. They do it.

Starting point is 00:43:21 I'll let you get out of the GTI. I'll let you get out of the Abarth if you go out and get a 997. Do it. Or a 991 cab or a C7 or maybe a boxer. Whatever. You know what? You know where that ends up? You know where that ends up, Kenon?

Starting point is 00:43:35 A Miata. No, no, no. That obviously ends up with an ND1 Miata for 12 grand. Yeah, right. It's exactly, I'm going to get a 997. How many, how many, do you have any idea how much? how many people have come to me over the years. I'm going to get an AMG wagon.

Starting point is 00:43:48 Two months later, I fall up. Well, what did you end up getting on GLE base? I got at least a GLE base. Okay, we got to move on. I'm surprised that there's not more supportive of this. There should be more supportive of maybe getting a cool car. I'm supportive, but you were maybe going to get a 997 or a C7 when we launched this podcast and you ended up with the GTI.

Starting point is 00:44:08 Now you're selling GLA to go back. We can't take it anymore. You guys have convinced me. I'm just going to keep the GTI. I was told I couldn't talk about. I buy a car until I bought a car. Felipe, getting a 997 or a C7 is not like changing the world. Like you can go get one.

Starting point is 00:44:23 Like they're pretty easy to buy and own. Like it's not like you're buying a Diablo and you have to do like PPI's crossed globally. Like just buy one and sell it then later. It's just fine. It's normal. Maybe I should. I would have if I got more support. But so it goes.

Starting point is 00:44:38 What do you want? What? Get it. Get it. Oh, we beg you. I do. 997 in North Carolina. I beg you to buy.

Starting point is 00:44:45 I should have bought it in retrospect. You had two manual C-7s on the site. I beg you to buy. We had two nice in the Southwest manual C-7. You know what? But now I can get out of my GTI for more than I am all in for us. Because for him, for you, the thought of ownership, the exercise is what you enjoy, and then you enjoy the money part of it.

Starting point is 00:45:07 It's the actual ownership you don't care for. Yeah, I will say the federal government thinks that each mile I drive is worth 73 cents. Gas is probably 20 cents of that. I've made money. Every mile I've driven is 73 cents. He cares for the ownership only in as much as he thinks about the cost and cost basis. Like he doesn't, I think that he enjoys drive. Listen, Filippo, I know Filippo since he was a child.

Starting point is 00:45:38 He's had every sports car, right? He had a Miatta. He had this. What else did you have Filippo before? You have the 500 bar. He's never really actually liked any of them. He had a manual X-5. And what he enjoys is like thinking about it, getting it, getting out of it, the whole financial aspect.

Starting point is 00:45:54 That's fine. But, but Felipe, we cannot be tantalized any further on this podcast. Me, Kenan, the border division of the California Highway Patrol. We cannot continue. Thank you very much. Yes. Yes. Nice day.

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Starting point is 00:48:19 Check out the link below to learn more. Potentially buy tickets if you're in the area and have a cool car. More if it would have come, but I wanted to release it early here on the podcast. The coolest thing about this is that it is for the first time since Felipe was a small boy, he is returning to his homeland. I'm so excited about that part specifically. I spent so long in Wisconsin. I haven't been to Wisconsin. Eight years since my sister's wedding.

Starting point is 00:48:43 It's time. Nine years since his wedding. So when you see Felipeo at this race, when you see Felipe at this race, go up to him and say, hey man, go Packers. Like, Felipe's a big. He's actually got a steak. He's got a, he bought an ownership steak.

Starting point is 00:48:56 As every good Wisconsin, I does, for the record. We're going to eat cheese curds. Can we go back to your childhood home? I will absolutely not go back to the home where I lived. I'm not planning on Madison on this trip, although I would love to. We'll see. Same.

Starting point is 00:49:10 Cheese curds, yes. Cheese curds. Are you able to pull up a street view of the home or do people we know still live there? We're not going to do that. No, nobody I know lives there, but it seems like a bridge too far. Okay, there's a lot to discuss in the market report segment today. And Ken and I both want to discuss the same thing, although I want to take it a little bit further, which is last week we sold. We keep talking about this, but I want to hammer the point because I want to keep seeing them on the site.

Starting point is 00:49:35 Good swaps bring all the money. And last week, we had some amazing swaps, both of which I want to. wanted to buy, neither of which I bought. That is an E34-5 series. BMW did an E-34 M5 touring, which that looks like it is. However, this was still in the day when M was supposed to be like the sporty lightweight performance brand. And so the M5 actually had a six-cylinder, but the regular five series offered a V8. And they didn't make the M-5 the real flagship until Kenan's car. This car solves all of that. It takes the drive train from the E-39 M-5, the very next M-5, and the manual transmission, puts it in this car,

Starting point is 00:50:12 and they didn't rice it out, they didn't make it look stupid, it looks great. This interior is so cool. The interior is so cool. Go to the next photo with the seats. Yeah, look at that. Everything about this car oozed cool.

Starting point is 00:50:25 This thing came in, I saw the reserve number, I thought to myself, that is going to sell for way more. It is just too damn cool. And it did, what did it sell for, like 35? 37, 750.

Starting point is 00:50:36 I mean, that's serious money for... I think it's a bargain, honestly, even at 37, 750. You can't do it for less, and it's hard to find a good E-34 touring donor anymore. Those cars are gone. Yeah, that's true. That's true. That's fair.

Starting point is 00:50:49 Especially with a cool interior like that, and they did it right. They just left on throwing stars. They didn't over-modify it. It is cool as hell. That car is really special. And it takes the best two things about the five series. The E-34 was the best-looking five series, and the E-39 had the best power train, and it puts them together in one great car.

Starting point is 00:51:10 Yep. That's cool. But the obvious other one was this E46M3 touring. Yes. Now, this car was interesting in that. So the E46M, not only doesn't have an E46 M3 drivetrain, engine, transmission, differential, all that. It also has the bodywork for an M3. Now, unlike the E34, which was left pretty much as it was, this one actually had, the E46M3 got wider fenders in the front and the rear. And this car had those done, and all the bodywork took forever. The owner was told me it took a year, a year to get this done, including this rear part here,

Starting point is 00:51:45 which the door is flared accordingly with the arch, like for the gas cap. I mean, real effort was put into this. In addition to the full interior, which he was telling me is impossible to get, like, the black carpeting to get is really hard. Most of these had tan interiors. Like, to find it is unbelievably difficult. He walked me through all. I never thought about that.

Starting point is 00:52:03 Yeah, the wagons, they were all like dark blue over tan. Like every, every 23. Exactly. So to find precisely. So to find that stuff really, really difficult. The interior is done by the same person who did Doug's RS2 interior, so it's done very nicely. I mean, it's a really nice car, and yet again, also sold for serious money, 66 grand. In fact, I want to say one thing here.

Starting point is 00:52:24 This car was on the other auction site, and it was being sold by a friend of a friend. I didn't know the owner of the car, but I knew somebody, we had a mutual. And I said, you know, it didn't sell. It didn't bring much money, and it didn't do well. And it had been modified. Obviously, the car is modified, but it had been low or not. I said, you know what he really ought to do is make it look like a stock car, like an M3 that would have come out of the factory. And he did that. He made those changes, put on OE wheels, did a couple other things, took off some other modded parts.

Starting point is 00:52:51 It took a couple months. And he made it look like that. And it was a really, really great decision. I actually think it would have probably gotten a little more if he had gone to the lower with the smaller wheel and raised the ride height a little like, you're selling this car at this point to a real BMW enthusiast who wants it to be basically OE. I wonder in my life if I will regret not buying this car. I'll bet you won't, and I'll tell you why. He said he's going to do more of them and he will sell them on the site. So they're coming. So your chance is not over yet, my friend. It is so cool.

Starting point is 00:53:20 And the thing about the car that made that one particularly so cool is like that's the era that everybody wanted, but they only, in this gen, they only did a coupon of convertible M3, which for people who have any needs of practicality, you were screwed. And the E46 is like the most beloved M3, right? The E36s were cool, but they were smaller and less powerful. The later cars were also cool but less reliable, et cetera. They finally got four doors. If you wanted a four-door variant, you can't get an E-46, but here's your window.

Starting point is 00:53:45 Anyway, the point of this whole segment was good swaps bring money. And these two cars are another great examples of, like, well-done, really good swaps. Now, I do want to talk about the Tesla Galaxy. Pull that up. Did you see this come across, Ken? That was so cool. It was so cool. Just do Galaxy.

Starting point is 00:54:05 Yeah, this was very interesting. This sadly did not sell, which I was so disappointed about. This is a Ford Galaxy. It is a 1964 Ford Galaxy, but it's on it. It's a Tesla drive train, right? I mean, it's got Tesla wheels. From a Model 3 performance. And so maybe there's not a lot of people who were interested in this.

Starting point is 00:54:24 We were just talking about how EVs and performance cars and enthusiasts don't really mix. But I thought it was cool as hell. Like the idea of it is cool as hell. And in Galaxy, it's not like you're losing like some really cool power train, you know. Well, that's the thing. I have long felt that for cars where the engine is not the major part of the experience. Like F-355, you want to hear the engine. It's like the career GT, you want to hear the engine.

Starting point is 00:54:48 It's about the LFA. It's all about the engine. And cars where it really wasn't about that, EVs make a lot of sense. If you just want to drive around in a car that looks really cool, but you don't want to deal with the old car problems of dealing with carburetors and, like, fuel inefficiency and stuff like that. Or you live in, like, a city that, you know, is really strict on emissions, like, in city centers. things, boom. I mean, that's a great solution.

Starting point is 00:55:08 You get the analog feel and look with not a whole lot of the drawbacks. It's like the next stage of rest of modding. Yeah. So into it. Truly so into it. Yeah. I agree. I think it's cool.

Starting point is 00:55:19 Good swaps. I love a good swap. I love a really well smartly designed build. Made over a weekend with a couple of cold ones. That's right. We have to move on to the questions, folks. We have to move on to the questions. The questions are very important.

Starting point is 00:55:32 The questions are brought to us by the border division of the California Highway Patrol. Can you pull up that picture? There you go. There it is. Questions. Look at that. The questions. Now remember, you can ask us a question.

Starting point is 00:55:47 You go to cars and bids.com. You click on the community tab. Okay. And we have a little post there that says, ask us a question. Ask us a question. This week we got maybe more than we've ever gotten before. I don't know if that's true,

Starting point is 00:56:00 but there were 250 comments in that thing. Folks, I appreciate it. I appreciate your comments. We're going to do some good questions. There were some good ones. And we'll start with a question from Rider 17. I've seen a reel recently about the Corvette ZR1X, and people were arguing whether it was a supercar or not.

Starting point is 00:56:18 My question is, what is can the criteria for a car to be considered a supercar? Is it more than just performance with EVs having high performance 0 to 60? This is like an age-old argument that I'm not sure we're going to settle right here, but I've always felt that there was an exotic rarity component to it in addition to performance and value. And it's not just how many they made. There's like something else beyond that. There's a certain X factor,

Starting point is 00:56:40 which of course doesn't help to define it. But like it is like there is like something, something to it. There's something intangible that you can't say. I will tell you, to me the ZR1X is kind of in probably in that territory when you consider how rare it's going to be, how much it costs,

Starting point is 00:56:55 how rare, how the market will treat it. I also like shy away from the supercar definition anyway. In my mind, a supercar kind of has to be mid-in. engine, which would eliminate a lot of really special cars. I think the term exotic car is what I always use. And to me, the ZR1X is an exotic car.

Starting point is 00:57:11 And I felt exotic was true of every ZR1. Like the C6, ZR1 to me, was an exotic, the C7Z1, et cetera. That's like how I feel. I don't feel like the C-O-6. I think it can't be just the high-performance version of a sports car. Like, I think the entire model lineup needs either to be a supercar or not. No, no, no, no. I can give you 5,000 examples.

Starting point is 00:57:33 Give me one. Gt3. You're telling me a 996 GT1 isn't a supercar? Correct. There, nice. There you go. Correct. You told me a CLK GTR isn't a supercar?

Starting point is 00:57:45 When you remove everything that makes a CLK, a CLK, except for like the window. Well, that's what the 996? Headlights, tail lights? No, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the ZR1X is less changed than that. Well, okay, what about a GT2RS? What about a supercar? Oh, come. on. They made a hundred of them and they cost

Starting point is 00:58:03 a half million dollars. That's crazy. Rarity is not enough. I actually kind of agree with you in the case the 9-11. Well, I knew you would agree with that. So you're not going to take the 996 G2. That's not a super. That's just a sport car. It's an exotic car. It'll take a car. The turbo

Starting point is 00:58:19 hybrid NSX is a supercar, but the 996 G2. I didn't say that. Oh, wow. Okay. See, there's this problem. It's hard to answer this question. There's a lot of not really sure about. I totally disagree that the top model can't be. I think it absolutely can be if it solves certain things.

Starting point is 00:58:37 To me, a CLKDTM is an exotic. A CLK GTR is an exotic, obviously. Exotic, I'm with you. You're with me on zero one being an exotic? Yeah. All right, well, there we go. I don't know. It feels too homegrown for me.

Starting point is 00:58:52 Kevin's anti-America. That is what it is. That's absolutely not true. 4GT. Get out of here. Well, the 4GT is a supercar. Yeah, 4GT is. a legitimate supercar. It's like that court justice that, like,

Starting point is 00:59:04 I know it when I see it, and that's how I feel about supercars. You don't think, but the Ford GT has just a V8 that's, like, modified and based on. But it's like a standalone model that is so special. And that's why I'm going for the can't be top of the lineup. Like, there's something about it being purpose built. That's an aluminum extruded chassis.

Starting point is 00:59:23 It's a very, it's a very serious. Macintosh stereo. Yeah. It's crazy to me that purpose built. You, okay, CLK GTR doesn't count. Wow. Well, hey, you know. No, the CLKJTRS had it can count.

Starting point is 00:59:34 It can count because it's not really a CLK. But then people get in talking about a hypercar. Hennessy Venom doesn't count. I'm sorry, what version of the Hennessy Venom is. He's going to say. It's a lotus is what he's going to say. A lotus. The Lotus is a little.

Starting point is 00:59:45 No, it doesn't count. What do you mean? By the way, we hope that SSC getting rolled over, which is the best thing that could have happened to it. All right. Next question. The answer is we don't know when we can't agree on ourselves, Ryder. And that's why you can't agree on either, and neither will your friends.

Starting point is 01:00:00 And you can't talk. Talk about it until you're blue in the face, or you can move on to the next question from Connor T-72. Many car model nameplates have been around for decades. Which new nameplate from the last 10 years do you think will be in use in the 2080s? What a great and interesting thought exercise. It's hard to know because it's hard to know where the market will go, but the 1980s aren't that far away. There are definitely cars that were around 50 years ago, maybe even some that were around 75 years ago. Like the suburban, the Corvette.

Starting point is 01:00:25 Like there will be cars in the 2080s when we're dead that are still around. Do you realize that? True. What are... I don't know. It's going to be the big of Mustang, the Corvette, the stuff that resonates. But those have been around for a while already, so it's not... These are like other new nameplates.

Starting point is 01:00:43 I could imagine something like Model 3 existing for a long time. The A class. Yeah, probably. I'm trying to think of just what new nameplates exist. Because a lot of manufacturers have changed a lot of their naming or have gone back in the last decade and resurrected. last two decades, especially to older names. Yeah, which I like.

Starting point is 01:01:03 Ford, for example, went like through a bunch of different things before ending back up at Taurus. Miata. Right, the 500. 500. It's exactly what I'm thinking of. Miata is a good guess. Of course, it's not called a meada at other markets. You won't let me get away with anything.

Starting point is 01:01:18 It's not brand new. It's hard to know. It depends a lot on what happens to the market. But there will definitely be car nameplates that continue. Like, some of these car brands are almost more valuable than their manufacturers from a named that perspective. Etron. Yeah, E-Tron.

Starting point is 01:01:31 Obviously, a well-known nameplate that like a very, very high-quality. Mercedes-E-Q. EQS-E. Just with U-S-V. Yeah, right, G580. You want a nameplate that'll be around in the 2080s, G-580 with EQ technology. Stronger than Time. That'll be with the 20-80 edition.

Starting point is 01:01:55 Okay, it's an interesting question. You can give us your thoughts if you will. want. Next question from Florida, Mante, Manti, Mante. Anytime the RS2 comes up on the pod, you can see there's some pain behind those eyes. By pain, I mean contempt. Is there a story there? Kenan, why don't you tell the story of the RS2? I owned this car. It's a 1994 Audi RS2 Avant. I own this car. Look at this car. Very special. Looks amazing. Very slow and had some locomotages.

Starting point is 01:02:26 It is not that slow. not fast. Here's what happened. I brought my first son home from the hospital in this car. There you go. It's there. Doug has decided that he didn't like his experience with the RS2, primarily because he had the wrong expectations. Just like he had the wrong expectations with the Ferrari 360 that he owned. He

Starting point is 01:02:42 wanted it to be something. It was never going to be. And therefore, he's disappointed. That's astute. I think that's correct. And by the way, I don't blame myself necessarily for that. Like, it's the way you go into it. I did have the wrong expectation. I think you're exactly right. However, the car didn't deliver on

Starting point is 01:02:58 what I was hoping it would be. Ultimately, I think one of the problems with, I will tell you this, the RS2 and the A class were unbelievably informative of my automotive life. And in a way that my friends are really regretful about because I don't buy cars anymore. And I had always wanted an A class

Starting point is 01:03:18 and I had always wanted an RS2. I bought both of them. They were both disappointments. They both cost me a lot of money. I think the RS2 I probably broke even. But I realized like it's just, it isn't worth it unless you're going big for a car that is really, really, really special.

Starting point is 01:03:31 The RS2 is beautiful. It has a very special part in Porsche's history and an Audi's history, but ultimately was an early 90s car with a lot of plastic and a lot of stuff that didn't work all that well or didn't work right ever. The door locks, the windows. When I sold this car, I was incredibly disclosureary of all of its flaws.

Starting point is 01:03:49 And everybody's like, this car is so flawed. I've watched other RS2s come up where people did not disclose, and I could tell from having owned one that it had a lot of the flaws mine had. these cars had problems. They weren't well built, and they're just plasticy early 90s cars that happen to have a history. And if you want the driving experience and enjoyment, it's not there. I enjoyed looking at the car.

Starting point is 01:04:09 There is maybe not a car I have ever owned, truly, including the Kuntosh, where when I parked it, I turned around and looked at it more than the RS2. Yeah. It just, I loved the cup wheels. I loved the color. I had always idolized the car. But the actual act of driving it. And one of the things that I've discovered, I go away for the summer. here on the East Coast.

Starting point is 01:04:28 And when I come back to California in the fall, one of the things I've discovered is if I haven't thought about the car or if I haven't missed the car, it's gone. It's just, it's gone. Like within a few months, and I think I sold this in like October, November. Let me ask you a question. Another blue car you know. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:47 Have we thought about the Ford GT outside of this podcast? Never selling that car. I love that. Wait, wait, I want to amend that because everybody's like, I'm never selling. I will sell that car one day, but I have no plans to sell any time. I will tell you, Kenan, if you find me in F40, I will get that. Which is our next question, our next question here, from Just Eraser. Doug, this is your F40, branded title, spun out and head of fence, and hi, Miles, it's waiting for you.

Starting point is 01:05:11 Can you pull up this F40? It's at specialty car collection, your friends in Los Angeles. You know them? I do. John from specialty car collection. Yeah, John, Kenon's done a video there. texting me about this car. So let me tell you the story.

Starting point is 01:05:23 This F40, they got two. You want the cheaper one. Keep going. No, that's not. it's not the 90 no keep going scroll scroll there you go there it is they're asking what now two two for this car it's not listed okay so here's the deal this car was on gas monkey garage kennan you remember this car oh i remember it very well some time ago in texas this car was driving in an event and it spun out it not only hit a fence as is posted in this question but it also had a building

Starting point is 01:05:54 and many other things. I've seen pictures of it directly post-accident. It wasn't pretty. It's not as bad as he might think. It wasn't pretty. Gas Monkey Garage got a hold of the car, Richard Rawlings, when that was going on. And they restored the car, but they also made it, like, cooler. Like, they made it black.

Starting point is 01:06:11 It was black with wheels and lowered and big turbos and all this stuff. Pull up a picture of the gas monkey. Oh, yeah. At some point, after that, the car was brought back to stock, because now these have become so valuable. When Gas Monkey owned the car, it was maybe a half-million-dollar car. That's what they had. Somebody brought it back to stock.

Starting point is 01:06:33 So I did actually send a note over to the folks who have this F-40 because it's a cheapy as F-40s go with a mere $2.2 million ask. The drawback with this car for me is that it is actually not a low-mile car. It has 11,000 miles. In the F-40 community, there are cars in Europe that have approaching 100,000 miles, and so this car is not particularly low, or not. not particularly high, rather, which so it's pretty valuable still. But most importantly, it's a U.S. car, which is the real drawback of this car.

Starting point is 01:07:00 The U.S. cars bring a lot more money. And so this is a cheap U.S. car. It's probably the cheapest U.S.F.40. But if it were a euro, it would be under two, and then we'd be having a conversation. Nonetheless, it's out of my wheelhouse. Kenan, what do you think? Yeah, I mean, it would be, it is a driver. I mean, all of the work was documented.

Starting point is 01:07:18 You can watch it. Like, I've watched the series, like, it was repaired many times. I mean, the frame was bent. they had to like completely do that they had to cut parts of it out well parts of it in i mean it's been under the knife and then you know who knows who set it back to being red and like correct and so like there are there's this will forever be the cheapest i suspect u s 40 yeah um but nonetheless uh i mean i would love for you to have an f40 you're not going to do it and that's fine and i think that's okay the kuntosh is plenty the couragey t is amazing the f40 will be the one that

Starting point is 01:07:51 got away wow philippa are you sad about about that? Not at all. They truly don't care. Speaking of... And you cursed him. That's what it was. You cursed him.

Starting point is 01:08:00 You bought him a Ferrari to say, congratulations, you're going to get an F40 bomb this F40 mom. And guess what? He never did it. He decided not to. It's your fault. You're your fault. Listen, it's a complicated story that one day we should devote a whole podcast to.

Starting point is 01:08:13 But yes, I believe that Felipe played a role in it with his curse. I believe that. I agree with you get in. Some things are just not meant to happen. And I didn't do it in part because, of the curse, there is a hex. Speaking of, next question from Kshirves, Doug, do you let

Starting point is 01:08:29 other people drive your special cars, Kuntash, KourerG-T, etc. Apparently, the Throttle House guys want to review a career J-T, I wonder if Doug would let them review it. A couple of months ago, we had, was it Hammond, Richard Hammond wanted to come and drive the career G-T and I said, no. Well, I mean, probably

Starting point is 01:08:45 good. He has a reputation for, you know, having issues with driving cars. I used to let everybody drive my cars. all the time, but the cars have gotten so valuable that I don't, I don't, I think it's best they don't. And it's not because I'm selfish or want to gatekeep them or whatever. You know, it's, it would, if something happened, it would be a really bad day for everyone involved. Like, very few of, I don't hang out with other people who have finances like this level.

Starting point is 01:09:11 I don't think that anybody I know could afford to replace any of these cars. Obviously, they're insured, but that brings up a whole thing. You know, this Kuntash is very special, this particular one. The Career Jutee with all the work that's been done on it, do you find another one? and I think it would get bad. The E450. Mostly what I hear from people is that they don't want the E450. Mostly what I hear from people is that they don't want to drive my special cars.

Starting point is 01:09:33 Is that true? 100% accurate. I've driven, I mean, Kenan has driven some of yours. I've driven your... I've never driven a car of his. The defender. That's it. You never drove the Ford GT?

Starting point is 01:09:46 No, absolutely not. I've driven them before. But I don't need to drive. I will say, I have driven Doug's cars, not all of them. And it's purely, and the G-C cab, and it's purely in the situation of this car needs to move from here to here for some purpose. And it's not for driving enjoyment.

Starting point is 01:10:00 It is truly for transit. And that's fine. I don't mind. Like, great. I don't have any interest in driving any of your cars or somebody else's car in general in any aggressive fashion. I feel a little bad about it

Starting point is 01:10:10 because I want people to experience the 4GT and I want people to experience the Kuntash. Most of the time when I take them out, though, we're like going on a drive, and most people are driving something that special they want to drive on the drive, But I want people to experience those cars. I want people to experience the Career GT as well.

Starting point is 01:10:26 I truly think that if everyone drove that car in our group, they would all come away thinking it's the greatest car they've driven. However, I think that the risk to everybody is just so significant that it would. It would impact the trajectory of the rest of everybody. Yeah, it would. In a not great way. Now, Sean drove the Kuntash. You never drove the Kuntash still?

Starting point is 01:10:47 I never drove the Kuntash because the day you were going to go photograph it, I was feeling ill and woozy. and I had vertigo, and so, like, that's not the car you want to drive when you're not feeling good. You've started up the car. You've driven it. I move the car.

Starting point is 01:10:57 Yeah, I have the caretaker for the car while Doug is away on the East Coast, and so I run it through a warm-up sequence every three weeks, and I take, I take, to look after the car, I check it for leaks, check it's oil level.

Starting point is 01:11:08 I do all the things, you know, around the car. I would, it's the only car of yours I would like to drive, the all the other, like, the career GT I don't want to deal with. The Ford GT is, I've driven them before, and it's a wonderful car, but I'm fine with that.

Starting point is 01:11:21 I don't want to drive the, I've driven the all-terrain. I take that. I've driven the all-train. And that is a very good car. And I have no interest in the square. I feel bad about it because it was always used to be a thing of mine. I would always let my friend drive my truck. But I don't, the other thing is like it's because it would just, it's not going to be a pleasant experience anyway.

Starting point is 01:11:38 Because it's yours and I'd be overly careful. If something happened too, there's another aspect of it, which is like we'd have to make videos. Like if one of my cars got damaged, that would there, you couldn't not make a content about that. know these cars are out there. So then you'd have to be like, Kenan crashed my whatever, and that would suck too. And it's just nobody wants to go down this road.

Starting point is 01:11:57 Nope. Always think of the content. Thank you. But yes, I agree with that. I don't want that reputation. And I certainly am not going to crash the Kuntosh. I'm going to do two more,

Starting point is 01:12:08 very quick questions. Two more questions. Number one, from Calibur, O-R-P. From Calibur-O-R-P. Wait, three more very quick questions. And the last one's for Kenon. This one's for Sean. Your producer, Sean, has some interesting cars.

Starting point is 01:12:20 Those who follow up on Instagram know. Yeah. Is Sean open to making videos of his cars on the Cars and Bids channel, off-roading the G, taking the 360 the track, using the Alpha as a grocery getter? Let me tell you about Sean. Sean is our producer, okay? He doesn't touch the equipment. Like, that's for the people who are like the camera folks.

Starting point is 01:12:41 Competent, yeah. He doesn't appear on screen, right? Somehow he's figured out a way to make a living in this industry without, without doing any technical stuff with the equipment or with actually being talent. I don't know how. So he's out there somewhere doing this. It makes no sense to me.

Starting point is 01:13:00 But Sean, so Sean is like, he's like, ephemeral. He's like around somewhere. Right. No, we love,

Starting point is 01:13:07 we love Sean. He has stated that he has no interest in being on camera, and he just wants to enjoy his cars and park them crookedly at these times. The craziest thing about Sean is that he does the stuff that would be good content, but he does it contentless.

Starting point is 01:13:20 He drove his 360 from San Diego to Monterey, took it on Laguna Seca and drove it home. And there's no, he just did it. It wasn't for content. He just did it because he wanted to. He took his G-Wagon out to the desert without a support vehicle just to do it and drive off-road. And just so we don't know. Sean is a mystery. He's a mystery.

Starting point is 01:13:39 One time he race a Toyota Previa in his alpha and blew the engine. You know, that happened to Sean. That is true. He was racing in Mexico, as you guys know. a Toyota Previa, and as he was losing, the motor in his alpha glue. No, it was on the, it was on the, it was like a Sika, you know, down the corkscrew. He got on that straight after that, he powered out of the corner and just popped out of the corner and just pop with the head. To be clear, he was racing a mid-engined super cool in a lot of ways.

Starting point is 01:14:08 Next question from Costa Phil H-Zero. Doug, will you buy the successor to the F-40, allegedly built by Ferrari in collaboration with Lewis Hamilton? If it has a manual transmission doesn't cost 10 million, would you sell any of your cars to do it? Yeah, in the right circumstances, I would love that. Like, if Ferrari actually created a car that had a manual transmission, was limited production, was not a hybrid, and was really cool, and for whatever reason I was asked to buy it, like, I don't think I would be on that list. I would probably seriously consider that. I would consider an SP3 if it was affordable, like truly. My understanding is there are 5 to 7 million.

Starting point is 01:14:46 I would consider an SP3 at a much lower number. but they're not affordable. As somebody who saw an SP3 the other day, don't. We did see an SB3 driving on the PCH the other day. And it was not. It's cool as hell. It's so cool. You know, oh my gosh, Felipe, it's a V12, any V12, non-hybrid.

Starting point is 01:15:04 I like cars. It looks like a concept car. It looks, whether or not it looks nice, it certainly looks striking, which is, to me, one of the classifications for wanting a special car. I don't necessarily need it to be beautiful. I want it to be striking. And it is, it has three. three very special things.

Starting point is 01:15:20 Super low production. The V12 from the LaFerrari without the hybrid BS. That's a huge deal. And it's a convertible, which the La Ferrari essentially wasn't. I mean, they made a pairtas, but they're even more expensive. And it's kind of the dream. Like, it kind of is like what you'd want. Technically, because the engine is the same family that has been used since the Enzo.

Starting point is 01:15:42 You could say that it has an Enzo engine if you prefer to say that compared to the La Ferraris. Think about that. Like that is, after all these years, probably the best car to use that engine is that one. Final question, this one is for Canon. This is a three-part question, including one for Philippo and one for Doug, but I'm only going to ask the Canon one to disrupt controversy. Canon, you've talked a lot about different cars you're looking at getting. Have you settled on your second vehicle, and when are you going to purchase it? I have not.

Starting point is 01:16:10 It's just everything I'm looking for I can't find. It's just like, or it's like, I don't know, first in Vipers are really a spike in VIII. value recently, like 50 is like what they've gone up to from 35 where they were like over the winter. You bought. Yeah, for only. Yeah. If only you bought. Right.

Starting point is 01:16:25 Right. Big words coming from you. I bought a car. Okay. You bought a car you didn't want. I do want it. I'm into it. It's a great car.

Starting point is 01:16:34 I haven't, no, I haven't come to. The trouble is like all the cars I want like really want are about $100,000. I just don't want to spend $100,000 on a car. I know it sounds absurd. But it's true. Like the, the Boxer Spider is. in that range of Ferrari 575 or C12 was in that range. It's like they're

Starting point is 01:16:50 just a lot of cars that are really expensive. It's not the right time. Do you want to let your do you want to let yourself waste away having never had You say that I owned my dream car when I was 27. For an afternoon. Don't you want to do

Starting point is 01:17:05 more? Don't you want to do more? I do want to do more. It's just like I just I don't know. It's like I admittedly I've sunk too much financially into the M5 and that is on wise as that has taken a lot of my car budget allocation. Oh, I've been very good on spending this year.

Starting point is 01:17:20 But I don't know. It's like the, I don't know because the cars I want are so much more, like really are passionate about her so much more expensive. And so it's hard to like scratch that edge for, sure, it's for me to be completely honest. You could be driving. If you hadn't spent so much on the M5, you could be driving any Vora IPS right now.

Starting point is 01:17:39 Wow. If only. Filippo's like, what is the Avora IPS? Although I would take you know. I'm familiar with the Vora? That answer? I'd tell you all, a war is pretty good. Even a normal one is nice.

Starting point is 01:17:50 It was the automatic. That's what they called the automatic. I don't think we have. I don't think we have. I don't think we have. Not a lot of interest. Okay, so the answer is Kenan's not buying a car. Felipe's only buying a car if he can sell his car for what he paid for it.

Starting point is 01:18:08 And I'm not buying it. What kind of podcast is this? We need a Nick on here. He buys a car every afternoon. That's true. So true. Okay. Do we have anything else?

Starting point is 01:18:16 This is the greatest podcast we've ever done. Do you guys have any of the other? It really is. The greatest one we ever done. I agree with that. It was very enjoyable. We miss you a lot. Can't wait to see you.

Starting point is 01:18:24 You know who I miss is the border division of the California Highway Patrol. Well, luckily for you. There they are. Men and women will work for them. Always watching. Always watching. All right. Goodbye, everyone.

Starting point is 01:18:37 Goodbye.

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