THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - New AMG V8! Chevy Saves the Manual, Trouble at Honda, Spyker Returns, and More!

Episode Date: May 8, 2026

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Kennan is gone, but we do have Ryan Lopez over there. Time for the news. All right. Most important news story first. The Honda Odyssey, nothing is happening to it. Yeah, pretty much. That is the news story. Beloved by CPAs and people like Felipe everywhere.

People like Felipe. The news story is... Responsible adults. Responsible adults. The news story is this. Honda apparently spent so much money on their EVs. well, lost so much money on their EVs, like the prologue, to which it was a prologue to, there never became a story,

that they had to, they're delaying the redesigns of a lot of their new core products for multiple years, including the Odyssey, which supposedly might be delayed now until 2030. That car came on in 2017. The current Odyssey came out in 2017. I reviewed it in Rancho Santa Margarita. It was one of my favorite videos. Did you review the vacuum? The whole thing. It was a big deal. And it's not just The Odyssey, it's maybe the new Accord. It's maybe the new Civic.

Correct. The HRV, the MDX, the next generation MDX is 2031. This is a big deal because Honda as a company pretty much relies on these core products to exist. They only basically have six core products as a car and then they have Accura, which has maybe one core product or two. Yeah. And so the EV thing was such a massive loss for them that the Odyssey, these cars, these big competitive cars that Honda relies on to bring them money and sales and profitability are going to just get older and older and older. The Odyssey is highlighted because its chief rival was the Toyota Sienna was redesigned a couple years ago

and went hybrid and went all-wheel drive, neither of which the Odyssey offers. And the Carnival also hybrid. I can't remember if it has a hybrid version is a new product. Everyone I know who has an Odyssey only does. did so because sienas weren't available, which is still true. There's so much demand for the sienna that they're knocking down Toyota dealer doors, and this is sort of like a second choice.

And it's unusual because my entire life, Honda has never been a second choice. It has been a brand that you actively seek out and buy. Nissan is if you can't qualify for a Honda or if you can't afford one, you go buy a Nissan. Well, as these cars get older and older, the current accord has also already been out for a few years. The civic has already been out for a few years. You run a 13-year product life cycle on a minivan. One of your core products. We'll see, right, we'll see what happens to Honda's profitability and numbers as these cars start to get older and older,

and presumably sales continue to decline. By the way, they're not the only ones, right? Like, we'll talk about the McCann in a minute. That's been in one product left cycle forever because they planned on having an EV replacement that is just not going to really come to fruition. The McConaivie exists. The Odyssey 2017 to 2030. The Accord came out in 2023.

It will be at least 2030 before. before there's a redesign. So we're four model years in. These are long life cycles. When I was a kid, four years was in a core generation. That's right. Civic was what?

Civic was even, even, it was all 21? A couple of, uh, Civic was 23 also. But regardless, if we're taking these things to 2030, these cars, this is heavy competition in these segments.

Is it, though? There's four many vans available. No, to your point, they can do nothing and still be a solid second place. Which is why this is going to work and why it has worked already up until this point.

However, compact sedan is already not a particularly profitable segment with Civic. If you can't create an innovative vehicle, you're going to have trouble. Same with the cord. You said it affects HRV, which is one of the really big segments right now. CRV was just redesigned, so they have some space. They have some time, thankfully. But you have to assume that if it pushes out all the other ones,

you're not going to necessarily see some real development on CRV and pilot. That may also push out those. And you're basically talking about an entire generation of cars that Honda will skip, like one life cycle that Honda is going to... They can't be competitive to do that. Also, especially because most of those... of their products, the Accord and Civic aside, are not hybrid, hybrid products. Like the MDX, which came out in 22, will not be redesigned until 2031.

Crazy. So that's an incredibly long lifecycle in an ultra-competitive luxury mid-sized SUV segment without real power train development, without real feature development, with interiors that are dated to the early 2020s. When everybody's gone to screens, by the way, Accura, which will not have the RDX anymore. We'll have a 10-year-old, 8-year-old, 9-year-old. MDX as their other core product. Right.

That's not a great situation to be out. The SUVs would worry me. I think even the sedans, like, that's also a dying segment. Like, I would coast on those and just win based on name and then put everything in SUs. And the CRV is a new competitive product. They have some time.

But they need more. It's pretty new. 2025. But still. You remember there was a hybrid MDX for like an afternoon? Of course. There was briefly a hybrid MDX. There was briefly a hybrid E-C'd only.

Two captains row only. So 6C max. Really? Fun fact. Briefly, but then it went away. But in Honda's defense, it was prior genia. In Honda's defense, and I do want to defend them, it was hard to see this coming because the Lexus RX 400 hybrid came out in 2006.

And who the hell knew? Who the hell knew? It's been 20 years, but we had to wait and see. It just makes me worried, especially in the light of Kia Hyundai, obviously on an immense product offensive. Yep. Trying to get as many really competitive products out as they, can. Toyota is in the middle of a huge hybridization push where pretty much every

together that comes out is hybrid only. Totally. And it's selling well. You had to assume that what the plan was, was that they were going to let Odyssey go until an EV could replace it. They were canceling entirely, by the way, this year. Really? They decided thankfully not to. Thankfully, but that was probably their plan because they didn't develop hybrid versions to these cars, even though other automakers were, even including Mazda, who for years is like, we're not going to do hybrids, we're just going to get better fuel economy on a gas engines. Well, eventually everybody caved. Honda still hasn't. And when do you ever see Honda behind.

It used to be kind of always. In a lot of... But then they cut off. In a lot of segments, like off-road SUVs, but it's rare to see them behind with their core. Those seven cars are so important to Honda. They're so important that they've always done a great job of making sure they are the best products in their segment.

And when they came out, I truly think the new Civic and the New Accord were the best products in the segment. Still great. This was the best product in its segment when it came out. 2017. Pilots very competitive. CRV is very competitive. You just worry about, like, what is coming.

So they've obviously stopped the drive towards the drive towards the. EV. Yeah. Have they, like, will the 2030 product offensive have hybrids, plug-in hybrids? Things that the market has at this moment demand it. But 2030 is four years from now. Nick's man, Trump isn't going to be president anymore. My man.

I think actually the wait and see strategy is not the craziest with all of the turmoil in the market between tariffs, EVs, etc. But it's not a choice. It's not a strategy. It's they don't have any money to invest in products. Maybe. And other brands have. newer products that are going to do.

Honda gets all its buyers for the people that go to the newsstands and buy consumer reports and say, hey, this is super reliable. That's all they care about. They don't need the bells and whistles. They just want to know, is it going to break down. The problem is though, no cars break down anymore. And Honda is those people who you're mentioning are generally older. And I think Honda is going to get into a situation where they are not attracting as many new people

as they are getting old people who are not holding on cars forever or not buying cars as much. And I think that if they don't sit here with something appeals, a sports car, a brand new whatever, you're going to just sort of have attrition. What would stop someone from going and buying a brand new Hyundai with a giant screen? Some of the tech in these cars is like... The Odyssey tech is like pretty insane.

Buddy of mine has a brand new Odyssey. He says there's not a single USBC, it's all USBA. Which is fine except for the fact that USBC ports became the norm in every new car three years ago. Yeah. Obviously, you still have a lot of record for every version. Whatever, but that's just an example. You should play with all the tech in new Honda's.

It's behind. It's old. It's not what it should be. At some point you worry about, is there driver safety stuff as good? Is their safety in general as good if they have a 13-year-old product? Yeah, totally. For a family car. By the way, I want to reiterate the point, Accura, which won't have the RDX,

will have a nine-year-old MDX by that. But Felipe, they'll have an Integra whose life cycle has been expanded by three years and still doesn't sell well as is new. You're... You're forgetting, maybe intentionally... Okay, which is my forget. I forgetting a car. The ADX is going to save Accura.

The audience is watching and thinking, what the hell is the ADX? I was next in ADX yesterday. That's more than I've seen. All right, next news story. On the same topic, Mercedes-Benz is doing V-8s. I don't know if you know much, but AMG, Big V8 company.

Big V8 company. I got one, actually. You should try it out. They do V-8s, although currently, they do is turbo four cylinders in the C-63. You loved it, right? Probably. And then I saw one of those on the road.

I was, what would, what would have to happen for you to grab one of those? Insanely steel. What, what number? $1.99 a month. Really? If it was $1.99, you'd pick one up? Because charge of these were. Because then it's just a hybrid, you know, commuter car at that point.

That's slightly fun. Maybe $2.99. A little, $2.99, it would be a deal. I'll accept that. You'd get one at $2.99? I personally, there was nothing that could have to buy. A, or lease a new high-performance sedan. What do you mean?

Not a black wing? Nothing. Ooh. Find a good high-performance sedan. Yeah, with a VA. Tell me to buy a mediocre one. That's touch. If we're going to get a performance sedan, you want a performance engine in it.

Anyway, part of the definition. AMG is saying they're doing a new V8 this year. There's a lot of reasons why this is a big news story. The fact that they're doing a new V8, apparently it's derived from an existing Mercedes-Benz power train. Well, the thing that's the most interesting about it to me is that for now it's been years since there's been an E-63. and we have the M5 and we have the RF6, which pretty much compete, I don't want to say uncontested by Mercedes-Benz

because there's an E-53, but ultimately... It's uncontested at that performance level, which is crazy because Mercedes-Benz kind of, especially in the States, Mercedes-Benz created that segment with high-performance wagons. And I'm curious if this power train will find its way into an E-class. They've said that they're going to put these first in their SUV products, so the GLS, GLE, maybe.

It's based on the M177 Evo in the new S class And it's going to be a flat plane crank V8 apparently So yeah, GLE, GLS as the starting point And then some of the other cars probably The current AMG twin turbo V8 is a fantastic power train Great to see that they are doing it Yep, they have not committed under any circumstances To doing this power train in a C class

Which I think is what the... That's going to be a... Their six-cylinder offering. So they're saying they're going to do a C-50 53 with a six-cylinder. But that does leave room for AC-63. Especially in the U.S., right? So I think some of their decision-making

and why the 53 models will exist in some markets that will be the top product for missions reasons. But you've got to imagine the U.S. you can get away with it. Wouldn't it be ironic after all this time if Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, who's kind of already implied this, starts making products for the U.S. market

that aren't sold in Europe, starts making like performance products for the U.S. did it with the E-6 market? Yeah, but that was like kind of a rare one-off weird thing. Imagine if there are actual power trains. I mean, America's got the economy, it's got the buyers, like... Totally. And EVs are going to kill it in APAC, right?

Like Zikers of the world and BYDs are taking over. So then America is one of the best markets for internal combustion engines, especially big... The only market. We have the cheapest gas. The only market, because it used to be that there were parts of Europe where you could sell these cars and still make money. There were people in Switzerland. There were people in Germany. but now the government in Europe is kind of making sure that these vehicles no longer exist.

I mean, this is... Chrysler's strategy or Dodge's strategy, right? Like, bring back the V-8s. Bring back the V-8s! I don't. I'll do it. Yeah, I got you. I got you.

We're V-8, guys. How many V-8s you got right now, Nick? Let's see, the Range Rover, the E-55, the SLR, the Kyan. You got five out of six are V-8s. Wow. I've only got two. I only got one. But I do have a V10 and a V12.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we like our big, we like cylinders here on this podcast, folks. We like cylinders. And we hate the environment. Well, there we go. I got 14 miles per gallon on the way here. Not aligning myself with this. Probably the second best of my fleet.

The other day I went to fill up. How do you survive? The other day I went to fill up the gas pump. And it was $7.20 a gallon. $7.000. I have not seen that high. 7.20. Are we at that turning point where you're going to start shopping for gas?

and go to the Costco and wait in line. No, but I will tell you this. I did do one thing, which I think that our users should do as well. I saw the 720 and I said, nope, and I pulled out my company credit card and I used that instead. Because I was coming home from work and I figured, you know what, if the company wanted me to go to work today, I had to get home for God's sake. Luckily, we get two points back. That's something.

All right. Give us our next new story. Boom, manual transmissions. All right. We talked a few weeks ago. I think you were gone about there will be. There will be a next generation Camaro. Hard to believe.

It has been rumored by the folks at GM Insider that it will, based on their sources, it will have a manual transmission. Manual on a new Camaro. Yeah. Again, American market needs very different. Or Jim Authority, I apologize. Jim Authority. That's pretty legit if it's real. I trust their sourcing.

They are indeed the authority. How cool. And then the question for both this and AMG is, all right, so if you've already developed the power train, what else can you stick it in? Yeah. Yeah. The chassis for the Camaro has been, like, they will also be building it alongside a Cadillac, sedan, and some other product. And so maybe there'll be a manual Cadillac sedan, too. By the way, the new Camaro, four-door.

Are we sure about that? We're pretty confident. Hmm, not a Camaro. Well, it's like a Machi, me and a TV. Well, I don't forget, though, the Camaro's got a long history. There was a period of time where there were Camaros that were horrible. And so... But were they ever four-doors?

No, but they were horrible. Yeah. And so what I would say to you is, what I would say to you is if we get a four-door Camaro that's good, wouldn't that be preferable to a two-door Camero that's horrible like we had at some points? And I'm not specifically calling out the third-gen. I'm not calling out the third-gen. But there are people who might, is what I'm saying. There are people who might. I just don't know if a four-door Camero makes any sense. You don't like the Chevy SS? It better be good. You don't like the Chevy SS? You know a Chevy-S-man?

Yeah, I did see one the other day, actually. And they recognized the wagon and we had a nice little chat outside of Carl Strauss. Yeah. Outside of Carl Strauss, you're talking with the Chevy SS guy. Did politics come up, Nick? Why do we think he's with Nick? Why? Can we have it on, Kenan.

Well, I'm just saying. Please come back. Kenan, for God's sake. I'm just saying. Kenner was it, I looked at, we have all over to other's locations. And I looked at Kenan's location today. He's in Florence, Alabama. He's filming two V-10 Lambos.

What the hell is Kenon doing? in Alabama. Filming two V10 Lambos. Kenan doesn't belong in Alabama. He's not correct. Neither do Lambos, and so it makes sense. What the hell are those cars doing in Alabama? I don't know, but one of them is going to be

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Now back to the pod. All right, give us our next news story, please. Ah, yes, this is a Porsche Macon. And Portia announced on an earnings call this week that the gas Porsche McCann production ends this summer. How tragic? and that they will not be replacing it with another gas macon for two years. Heard this one before.

Yeah, we talked about this before, but it's wild. No, but I mean, they're confirming the timeline. July will be the EOP, as the Germans, I guarantee you were saying. An SOP. How much do you think inventory you think they have? Probably some, because it's not that. I mean, it's an old car. Yeah, it's been out forever.

Yeah. My neighbors had one, like, before COVID. It's worse. Yeah. Yeah. And even before that, it was on sale. I think it came on 15, right? That's why 15 is about it.

Talk about a long life cycle. What are sorority girls going to buy when cigarette? Q5s, as they always did. What sororities were you at that girls had McCannes? You know, the north shore of Chicago, right, was a little different. There was a sorority girl when I was in college who had a Freelander SE3. Oh, that's so cool. The yellow convertible one.

And I remember that was the star of the sorority. That was a great story car. My wife watches the podcast, so I got to be careful. But that sounds like marriage material. I wonder what he would have said if his wife didn't watch the podcast. Porsche, tough position to be in. So having the gas macon

and then two years away from the new one going on sale obviously means they will not have a gas macon for a while. Eventually they will sell out, of course, the gas ones. This is another Honda story. I mean, it's another example of the EV strategy has kind of changed things around, and this is the situation that they're stuck with. I'm actually surprised that they're stopping production

when I reviewed McConaV and chat about the Porsche people at the time, They told me point blank that they had the ability to kind of extend this car's production life. They didn't do that. I'm sure they have good reasons, but... I wonder, right? So your first guess would be,

for emissions reasons, they can't use existing power trains. But the base engine in this is the same engine that Volkswagen users in everything. That's in my GTI, basically. They're going to keep making that. They're going to keep making that. I don't know, but it is interesting. Porsche is in this kind of unusual situation

where they're not making all that much money, profitability is down. They had to sell off that Bugatti brand. Tough day. This car is going away. They're obviously going to have to put an enormous amount of money into redeveloping vehicles that they probably didn't think they would have to put money into redeveloping.

It's a kind of a tough transition period. Again, the Honda story, Honda posts their first quarterly loss in decades. That's where Porsche is as well. This whole EV shift has been weird. Can I give you a fun fact? All right. We see a lot of macons. Yeah.

It's better to be really. Every day. They sold 85,000 macons last year. By far. Globally. You know how many Odyssey sold last year? 88,000. Just in the U.S.

I mean, it's the only market market sold, yeah. Yeah. So, the Audit is a much better seller than the McComb. Turns out. I would have thought more than 88,000. They're everywhere. When I worked for Porsche, this is a real statistic. When I worked for Porsche, Porsche Cars North America, I worked for there.

In 2012, I left in 13. We would get, there were years where we would get out sold as a company nationally by the largest Toyota dealership in the United States. Go to Longo. But I will say Macon is 30% of their sales last year. Wow. Yeah. No, it's the best of my car.

It's a big deal. It's tough. This is a big deal. I am curious, and we don't get these numbers, and we probably should do a little bit more research. He should before he comes in the pod. But I am curious how McConae v sells globally. Is it the, and they probably would never say,

but is it the success they were hoping for? Is this mainly a U.S. story that the McCann is going away and Porsche is reaching everything? Or has McConae v. actually been like the, competitive product they were hoping that it would be globally. 22% of Porsche sales were fully electric in 2025, which would have been Tycon and my money. Pretty significant number. However, we also hear that sales in China are way down, et cetera, so the electric cars

must not be doing quite what they were hoping for. Nonetheless, this is another interesting one. On to our next news story, ah, yes, it's Spiker. Here's a photo. I have no idea what this is a photo of. So the gentleman that bought the intellectual property to it a year or two ago. I did do some reading. Spiker.

For those who don't know, this was a supercar company that was, they were Dutch, right? Yeah, Dutch and they built some very beautiful cars. I saw Ed Bolians in person just a week ago and just like, it's still the details, the finishing touches. It is like true coach building level supercar. It was kind of a fancy Audi R8 underneath. Since you only did some of the reading, I should point out, the person that rebodged the intellectual property to Spiker is also the person that found the Spiker originally. So it's not just like a random dude that bought the IP. Victor Mueller.

And then also the spiker enthusiast guy on Instagram who's been literally flying all over the globe servicing and keeping the existing spikers running and serviced, which is pretty cool. Basically, they saw, hey, there's such a cult following for these cars still. We ought to bring it back. And I think the coolest part, because I did read the article, is that they're going to be debuting the new model at the quail this year. A venue in which I have been deemed not cool enough or valid enough to even buy a ticket at. So they are killing it. They are getting into, they're getting the things that even

Doug DeMiro's inner circle can't get into and debuting their new cars. So I'm very happy for them and not at all bitter. Our understanding is that it'll be a twin turbo V8. I thought you did get, and you did get passes. I, I meant to tell you this, but I hit them up for press pass saying that I'm a good friend of yours. So I named dropped a little bit and they said they'll get back to me in a month. I'm going to tell you, just so you know, three or four years ago, I tried to get press passes and they said No. Me, myself. Not even a good friend of mine. Myself.

Well, there's that. Love this. But I thought in the end they offered you the ability to buy tickets. I did eventually get pulled on the wait list, but that's $1,600. Yeah. You guys aren't paying me enough for this. But $1,600, you get to see the new Spike Run deal. And you're an enthusiast.

That brings up the value of the event from about $350 to about $400. Wow. You don't my... It's a lot of... I'm sure you'll get those press passes now. Yeah. The event's worth a quarter of what they charge. Let me go and report on it.

I think this is cool. I think the spikers were cool. I think they're still undervalued. I am sad at what is obviously going to happen, which is that this new spiker is going to be more expensive than I wish it was. Oh, I'm sure. 800 horsepower, V8, supercar, hand-built, bespoke. It's going to be gorgeous, but it's going to be money.

If they can get enough interest to make it. Did they? They haven't confirmed. Oh, no, I thought you were telling them. No, I didn't actually read the whole of it. No, I'm curious. They haven't confirmed. So it also depends on if they get enough interest.

It makes sense. The exposed linkage was sort of the trademark feature of the C-Aid. So it kind of has to, I think. I think a manual. I think it'd be cool. It's going to be a million bucks. It's going to be two million bucks. It's like that D. Tomaso P72 that I fell in love with.

Yeah. And I want one. And then we found out that it's like $4 million. Yep. Like, that's what all these cars aren't. Good things cost money. Yeah, but that didn't used to be true. A spiker back in the day, it's like 300 or less.

And they're so cool. And they're so cool. And they still are like 300. But I guess my point is like everything's a million bucks. Anytime a bespoke special, like you just assume you'll never afford it and you'll never see one. We'll see them. Yeah, at very special events on lawns. Dude, there's like Goompert Apollo is everywhere now.

Goomperts are everywhere. All right. Ford is. So Ford is built a matchbox car. That is what they get drawn. A very high-res mock up here. No, no. That is what they gave journalists.

So Ford is building a new EV. And they've hired children to design it with Play-Doh. They're targeting a pickup show with it. It's Ford Children. That is around $30,000. So they're targeting a pretty low-price electric pickup truck. Yep. There's a bunch of stories out from a bunch of different outlets over the last week

because they have let people behind the scenes a little bit to look at their facilities where they're doing this for designing it. They also gave out this literal sample. It's like small, it's like 3D-printed. It's cool. I don't get this? No. Ford, you don't invite me to this?

Let's be honest, they may have. What are you? It got lost with a bunch of mark four supras at shone at carsabits.com email and this was just a little too far more. Oh my God, I didn't go to this. It was at Long Beach. The reason I'm mentioning this is they, Ford has made a big deal and the stories that came out about it, about the fact that this is a true skunk works project.

So basically, they hired some people from from Apple and from Tesla. and from other automakers to lead up this project. And they have said basically the CEO is not really involved. He's not allowed in the building. He has key card. Jim Farley's key card doesn't allow him access to the building. Do you buy any of this? Remember in Kirby's enthusiasm when he was going to pitch a script

to someone that worked at Disney, you know, and you're like, oh, yeah, the person worked at Apple. He had the Apple store. Right. Like, no, no. They hired his truck. Also, Jim Farley's not allowed. But he doesn't want to go.

But they showed it off to journalists in Long Beach. Well, that's what they're. Hey, can I come to Long. Nope, you're not allowed in Long Beach either, Jim Farley. Farley's like, Detroit's better than that. Their point has been that they're keeping this very separate and very different from how Ford otherwise built a product. They're trying to be a very upstart manufacturer. Ford, I'm going to tell you something because I know you're watching.

If you want to make this different from how you normally make a product, how about we don't have an eight-year development cycle? How about you get this thing to market in 18 months? That's how you do it. That's what Tesla does it. We start starting production, pre-production now, but like factory production now. I have some feedback to. I haven't seen one. We weren't invited.

It needs to be at least three times bigger than that. This is a 132 scale. It's interesting how hard, how much they're leaning into this was built in a different way. We really let engineers loose, but not our normal engineers. They couldn't be trusted. We have to bring people from the outside to bring fresh perspective to, like, build new ideas, to make it an affordable, compelling, easy products. think that one of the biggest problems that the legacy automakers has have with competing against

the other the upstart brands is development cycles and current the way that they've i think the problem that legacy automakers still have is they think the car has to be ready for launch when it launches i honestly think that is one of their biggest mistakes teslas have never been ready for launch when they launch they're riddled with all these things that get corrected later and uh same with fiskers and uh let's just launch the thing i think that's kind of what they're pushing toward right their their goal really was get it up quickly, rethink some assembly line processes. They are, there were a bunch of interviews in these pieces with the folks that are at the actual production line

complaining about like, all right, well, they keep changing these parts. They keep changing these things. At some point, we need to lock it in. But I think that's kind of the point, right? You can kind of keep iterating and keep making it a little better and keep. They got someone from the Apple store, dude, move fast and break things. Move fast and break things. That's not that.

It's actually the Facebook. It doesn't matter. Is it Facebook? Yeah, Mark Zuckerberg. Oh, yeah, like in the early day. Regardless, it is exciting. This should be out on 2027, by the way, the pickup truck. I will say, all the interviews make a big deal about Jim Farley not being allowed at the facilities.

They originally pitched him an SUV, and he said, no, it needs to be a mid-sized pickup truck. That's weird. Yeah. He went to fight against Bezos for those Slate customers, those six people interested. Tullo. Speaking of Zuckerberg, you know what he drives? He used to drive a TSX or T. Oh, no.

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but he also had that cayenne stretched. That was for his what? Zuckerberg himself, that might be Zuckerberg. It could be now, yeah. He drives a Black Wing. Cadillac's coming out with it. He's anxious because we skip the news story. Filippa's sitting there like, oh God.

Oh, God, oh, God. They're coming out with a Formula One edition of the Black Wing. They've come up with several special editions of the Black Wing, and there's now a Formula One edition. And Nick, in the center console, there's an FIA badge. It'd be a good safety car. Yeah. But yeah, only 25 is what I read, which is,

crazy low. Well, they're manual only, and honestly, 25 is like two months of sales. Yeah. Truthfully. The car is wonderful and is finding the right buyers and is selling it sticker, but production is low and sales are slow. You see a lot of the F1 edition, Aston Martin's around, though. Like, Aston really cashed in on that, and I think limiting you at the 25, like Cadillac ought to be making a big... Only because I care about accuracy. They're making 26. Okay. Thank you. As a nod to when they join Formula One. I'm sure two of them are going to Sergio Perez and Bottas over there. That's who they are.

Valerie or Valtari. Adobe some F1 logos. Great. Yeah, it's mostly a Cobra VF1 logos. There have been actually already several Blackwing special editions. And as a person who always kind of thinks about dipping my toe into the Blackwing pool, I'm not not into it. I do wish it was a station wagon. And I know that's stupid car enthusiast, BS.

But I do own a station wagon, which I bought essentially new. And I would think about it. I would have a conversation. wouldn't you? You don't think my wife would drive around a black one. She would if there was a third row. I'll tell you that. There wouldn't be options.

Here's your black weight. There will not be a third row under any circumstance. You know, the third row is over. Did you know that, by the way? My e-wagon is the last to have a third row. I did not know. They don't offer it anymore. Of any cars ever?

It's done. There's no more rear-facing third rows than any cars. No, it's not a safety thing. I think it's safer. If you look at data, there's a reason little kids are rear-facing as long as possible. Yeah. I think it's actually legitimately safer to be sitting rear-facing. That's good.

Including in the third row for a lot of reasons, but one is that your legs are getting hit instead of your head. But regardless, there are actual crash forces are better if you get hit when you're rear-facing. I suppose it's good if you are getting rear-ended like you see it coming too. Yeah, that's good for your psyche. You put your hands out, stop it. Yeah, there's no more. That's it.

E-wagon, 23-mile. My kids will only sit in the third row now that I have one. they love it. It's so cool. I want to go back to this because it's an important story. We all have three-row Mercedes station, I know. I know, this Mercedes podcast.

Oh, wherever we're all doing this. I am disappointed we covered a Porsche story for no reason. I mean the McCann going away? I agree. Come on the McCann. We're certainly not Porsche people. I have two quick stories. Okay.

Because I refuse to not talk about the news. Okay. Rivian, CEO, RJ.C. In an interview that there will be other variants of the R2. So the R2, we know is SUV that's going to come out. He basically hinted at there will be an R2X. Clearly, there could be an R2X, and as well as other variants that they have not yet enough.

I don't understand what is an R2X. It's like the performance version. But the R3X is like an off-roady hatchback. The R3 is like a little hashback, and the R3X, like, the performance off-road version. I haven't seen an R3 that wasn't an R3X. Is there such a thing? Really?

I don't think they ever showed it because R3X looks cooler and we're three years away, but yeah. Well, you get my point. Oh, I see. There's like rendering. regular version. The X will be the performance-e version, which I do think will be like an off-rotory performance version.

That would be cool. I don't know why it's a two-door like a defender. I mean, you know, it's also in the Thunderstorm. Yeah. But there will also maybe be other models, which is kind of interesting. We wondered, right? Other R2s. Because the R1T and R1S exist.

This is just R2. Can I tell you what Nick wants? A three-row R2 rear-facing. No, he wants. It's an R2 that's a pickup truck, like the Hummer H2SUT. Because Nick, I also want that. Nick, when he's driving to Trump rallies, he takes his H2SUT. You have to fly the flag.

And, yeah, and this coming from a guy that goes, Summers and Nantucket is calling someone else a Trump rally attending. You didn't go for the Sequoia direction? Because like the Sequoia is there. I want a Lobo Edition. Like, give me like a lowered, maybe right. Maybe they will. Laying frame. I went suicide doors.

I want big wheels. It's unlikely You're talking about you want like a literal Like low rider Kind of yeah It doesn't have to lay frame I would go with just like tucking tire RJ if you're listening

Crazy neck condition I think that that's unlikely But it's not impossible There will be a performance version Is what's likely There'll be an off road Lightning Maybe that's what this is

This isn't made by risk There'll be an off road version There'll be a performance version And then R3 will come And it's even smaller and it's like the golf country. Yes, it didn't look at the golf country. Yeah.

And then, and that'll be that. Or the Delta and Tigral is what I think. One of my greatest moments in life was actually on Nantucket last summer. A man had a golf country. Were you at a rally? Do you know this story? Yeah. And he was there at the little market in my town,

and he's parked at his golf country, and I walked up to him. And I never walk up to people with cars because then they were like, oh, my God, it's talking to me, we get into a whole thing. And I walk up to him, and I say, cool car. And he didn't recognize me at all. I didn't know who I was. What a dream. And so I was able to have a real conversation with a person about a car without getting into the whole, oh my God.

What a dream. And it was incredible. It was an, and he told me all about the Gulf Country. And I knew a lot of the stuff, but I was cherishing the moment. Yeah. You know. That novelty wears off. Someone that frequently has conversations with people who don't know who I am about cars.

You know, one or two are great. But after that, they're just strangers talking to you. Yeah. Prefer to keep to myself. I see some coming up. I put the AirPods in, you know, but like, oh, hey, Jim, Joe, no, I'm sorry, that expense report, yeah. You know, you're too friendly for that. Jesus.

The real shame. Last story. There are bigger tariffs. All right, time to move on to the top card segment. Wait, wait, wait, wait, okay. Last week, the president announced that he was increasing tariffs on vehicles from Europe from 15% to 25% because the EU in his mind did not sufficiently move quickly enough to actually, like, finish the, like, deal on tariffs. It's been interesting to see the reaction. BMW CEO in the earnings call said basically, I don't think this is real.

I'm not going to adjust my forecasts. I think this is just like a bluff. Audi's leadership team has instead said, oh, no, this is going to really massively impact our ability to release the Q9, the large SUV, which is building in Bratislavia. It's going to really impact our profits for 2026 and our forecasts for 2026. If it happens, we'll be interesting. I really want to take this strategy and apply it to other facets of my life. This deal is taking too long to negotiate, I'm raising my price on you. I bet you really want to.

It might work. You know, the Audi Q9, I've been hearing there's going to be three-row Audi and Porsche SUVs my entire life. The Q7 exists, but yeah. It's like the, it's like the mid-engine Corvette. Like my whole life, there had been rumors. And then one day, it happened. Yeah, the Bronco comes back. The Bronco was forever.

Forever. Yeah, tariff's bad. We'll kill everybody. Let's see if it happens. I'm more of the opinion of the BMW CEO. So it has not officially, it's just a threat of. On Monday, they said yes. Last week when it was announced, it was the next week, we should be this week.

On Monday, they said, yes, this is still for sure 100% happening. It's going to increase to 25%. Have yet to see that happen. Right. And Trump's doing a lot of bluffing right now in general. You're also got to be making the calculus if you're any company CEO is affected by tariffs. You're 18 months into administration. It's only 48 months long.

Trump is trying desperately to make everybody believe he's not a lame duck, but you do wonder what happens at the midterms, especially when you look at his approval ratings, which are unusually low. Yeah. And then he really becomes a lame duck if he loses Congress. And so at that point, the automakers are probably sitting here like, let's just, you think you're going to do, let's just see how this goes.

Let's extend the Odyssey a couple more years. You just see how this plays out. Well, that's built in Ohio by Union Labor. Marysville. Okay, I want to move on to the talk car segment. The truck car segment is, of course, brought to you by Nick's merch. Nick has merch now. It's a little generic.

We're going to work on it. I like it. We're going to work on it. You just don't like it because it's shade at you saying I'd rather drive a land rover than I'd rather push a land rover than drive a land cruiser. Some of us are real men that put up with land rovers. Some of us drive Toyotas. Nick, I have owned in my life.

Oh, here we go. Here we go. I have owned in my life. A lot of Toyota trucks because you need reliability. I've had four land rovers. How many is that for you? I have two right now. How many do you have?

One of them you do have to... What's the fourth? You tell me. You have the L322. You had a Rage Over Classic. Yeah. You had your defender. Uh-huh.

What's the fourth? I had the other defender. A other defender. A D-90 and the... Oh, I forgot about the green one. I had that green one. The one that he claimed he was going to keep forever. Yeah, I remember that.

They made a video recently saying he's never going to say that. I cannot get that car to last. My family, my big SUV family car. I cannot get it to last. I've tried now three different cars that all of which I just wanted to keep for a long time, and all three of them just didn't last for various reasons. The Green Defender was not good enough for my purposes and wouldn't work anymore now because it didn't have a third row.

The Land Cruiser, honestly, the 200 series Land Cruiser's disappointment, and the Sequoia is just like, I'm doing it and I'm going to keep doing it. And every time I sit on this podcast to talk about how I'm going to replace it with an LX700H, I am not going to do that because it is just a lot. not feasible with car seats the way I need to use it. But man, I just cannot get a car to last in that segment of my life. Suburban, here we come. I do want to talk about one card that's lasting in the car segment today.

Can you pull up the picture, please? This is an event. This is a recent event that happened in my life. This is me and producer Sean, and we went to 5761 McFadden Avenue in Huntington Beach, which is where the Carrera GT was designed. Wow. Me and Sean went there. And, you know, a lot of people,

the CareerGUTI is this very complex, technical, precision instrument engineered. And so a lot of people associated with Germans and the Germans are, oh, it's pro-Portiona. I was made in this new factory, high-tech. It was designed in a strip mall in Huntington Beach, in Orange County. And me and Sean happened to be there for other business,

and we went by it. And there's a picture of us in front of the Career GT Design Studio. The story of the CareerGD Design is one of the all-time greats. Samsung, the technology company, had decided they wanted to build a car. And so they got this office and hired a team of designers, and then they decided late in the process that they didn't want to build a car. And so they sold the designers to Porsche. Can't sell people.

No, but they sold the design studio to Porsche. And so the CareerG-T was designed by people who originally were hired by Samsung in California to create a Samsung car. This wasn't like done at the highest levels of Porsche to create this super. It was done by guys who three weeks earlier were designing a car from a company that makes handheld tablets. And there's your CareerG GT story for the day. Me and Sean got to see at IRL. What was there? Like a BP regional office or something?

Some gas company. Yeah. They were probably like, what the hell? Why are these people taking a picture outside? I should secure your risk. Now you know. You don't have any thoughts on this? This is a momentous thing.

Did you have, you've owned that car for a couple of years. Yeah. you've been a big part of your life for decades. Yeah. You ever consider stopping there before? No, it's, it's, I would never go out of my way. And I was like, wait, I think we're going near this. And I was like, wait, I think we're going near this. Like, there is no chance in, in my life that I would have ever even diverted 10 minutes to go and do this. I'm so glad you had that experience, with an edge and a Corolla cross in the background. Yeah, no, it was a little dissim-and. And I think that was something nice.

That's an escalade. And no, no, no, it wasn't an escalate. It was something good. And it may be an odyssey, I think. Nope. It does make you wonder that that whole story you had about the Ford EV and they wouldn't let Jim Farley and maybe it's in a strip mall somewhere. And he doesn't want to go.

I mean, to be clear. It is. They said that they moved to a larger office space because they hired more people. But it's like it shares a wall with the Rubio's, you know? Like, Porsche just didn't have that good of storytelling to be like, oh, it skunk works, whatever. It was just like in a random strip mall. It was like, oh, I got it. There are stories from the design team of designing CareerGT where, like, they'd be hashed out something over lunch at a strip mall sushi restaurant.

Yep. At a one of those wide intersections at Huntington Beach. And they're talking about like CarriGT design. Like, this is real. But a lot of automakers have had California design offices. This, unfortunately, did not rise to that level. No. Porsche didn't use the office really after the Career GT.

And there was obviously a lot of design work that was done in Germany as well. However, in my opinion, the concept car was done here completely. And in my opinion, that was it. Like, the concept car is the Career GT. And then after that, the Germans and these guys kind of collaborated more. But yeah. Do you consider the career Gs here to be a beautiful design? No.

However, design, style, I don't think it's a beautiful style. I think as a concept, as a product of design, I think it is a fantastic one. The way that it all works well, the way that the carbon chassis is part of the trim is really cool. I do not believe it is a well-styled car. No, I think it looks like an El Camino.

I think it looks really nice. Like it's handsome, understated. I like the subtlety of it. I like that it's subtle. Yeah. I think that the big mistake, there are a few mistakes. It looks like a long baxter.

Like in order to make the room for the engine, they had to add space and they just added space like a limo company down the street from this office one of them. That's right. And then also, to me, the biggest flaw was the rear where it should come from the roof and kind of sweep all the way down, the roof line all the way down to the rear bumper. That's what everyone does.

But they started it like lower, this sort of like rear haunch. And it looks like a pickup truck as a result, especially seen from the front quarter angle. It's not really well done. Very poorly. And this opinion is not. I mean, it wasn't successful when it came out. So obviously they should have gotten crazier with the design. I don't think the style had anything.

This angle is its worst angle. And you can see what I'm... Oh, I apologize. And you can see exactly what I'm talking about from here. It makes a 90 degree and basically an L shape. And if you look at any other car, any other supercar, mid-engine car, they designed to avoid that. One of my favorites is the Maserati Marac.

Pull up one of those. Maserati Mara or Bora. Either one. Bora is easier to type. Go to images. I'll show you. This is one of the most bizarre things you're going to see. So the Bora.

No, the Maroc. You have to go to the Marac. The border is like that, but it's harder to tell. Maroc. M-E-R-A-K. Oh, sure, sure. I thought it's wrong as it matters. Okay, so click on this, this picture.

So this car had the same problem, an L-shaped. And you know what they did? They just stuck. The flintrush. These buttresses have no purpose. But they knew that they didn't want to make the car have an L-shaped and look like a Lotus Europa or a pickup truck.

And so it actually completely changes the profile of the car, but if you really look at what they are, They're just total BS. They're just stuck on there after the fact looking stupid. And the career GT probably should have had something like that. But the design of the career GT was very conservative at every level, and that included the humps, which should have been larger. And there's my career GT take of the day.

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Me and Ryan Lopez. I got the E-55 back from Atlanta. The manual swap is done. Ryan showed up at my house. Actually woke me up. I was worried he was going to be late and I overslept. And we drove to Los Angeles for Wagon Fest.

Two people who, the two of them trying to meet a time, a scheduled time. It's amazing. Literally the blind leading the blind. But we, so Wagon Fest is the biggest gathering of station wagons. I'm told in the U.S.

Shout out to Avons and the Peterson. We had everything from a Ferrari, 456, Venice to a ton of like CTSV wagons, a lot of AMG wagons, B5S4. like really RIS4 rather, really cool stuff. And then the Peterson was open to all the attendees and saw the Fest and the Furious exhibit.

Like, it was just really, really fun. And like, Ryan, I've never gotten to spend a lot of time with him. We started out on the wrong foot because he guessed my age incorrectly by about 10 years. And I assume. I was deeply offended. Yeah. Yes. And then I realized, you guess you were 50?

Pushing 50 anyways, yeah. And I was a little taken back. I thought he was coming for my job as a fill-in for the podcast. Yeah, yeah. But it turns out we really like you to them. I love Ryan Lopez. I've been telling people forever because you meet Ryan Lopez and your initial impression is, oh my God, this person's insane.

These guys hired this person. But then you spend time with him and you're like, thank God there's Ryan Lopez in my life. And Ryan was the hero of the day. So drive up to L.A., made great time. I said, check out how fast it can go, you know, when we had a little pull. And then I got a check engine light, misfire, limp mode. and Ryan fixes it with his bare hands, no tools. What was it?

It was a fuel sending issue. Ryan Lopez went in there. He fully diagnosed the fuel system actually, right there on the side of the road. It was a raw muscle. It was a skunk work project. Jim Farley was not invited. Jim Farley was not allowed. Yes.

It was at a strip mall in Huntington Beach. That part's probably true. Yeah, we fixed it and yeah, it'll be live by the time. I don't know. I'll post something about it. But yeah, no, the E-505 is fantastic. We've been joking internally in our chat group here that the third row wagon, which I've discovered, but apparently you guys already have is a game changer.

My daughter, both of my kids now, only when I ride around in the backseat of the wagon. Folks, I'm going to tell you something about Nick. Nick has decided to buy all the cars I own. This is an interesting thing that's happened here. We're going to just air this publicly. Nick has come in. The thing I like about it is, because it was on this podcast that he said, that I'm not going to buy any more BS cars.

And then he hasn't. In the months after that, he's decided to buy all of my cars. And so my presumption is that he's next going to buy a 993 twin turbo. No, he'll buy a 4th. Yeah, he buys like a worse but newer version. He's like what he does. Something a little off. Yeah.

He's nothing I get a 964 turbo. Can you mention? Yeah, good point. I will get the 996 turbo because that's the value play. Tip. Yeah. Non-tip. By the way, if you like Nick, like Ryan,

He has a bunch of videos on the Key Channel, so go check that out. That one with the EarthRomer is my favorite one so far. It's a good video. It was so good, including when Ryan has the reaction to almost scraping the car and like some dicey off-road moments, but it's really good entertainment. The key YouTube channel, go do it. Go see Ryan Lopez in action. He's never going to be here on this podcast. He's sitting over there.

We just talk about him, but you can see him in real life. I listened to the podcast last week and did not watch it. And Ryan was on it last week. You apparently walked off at the very end. Oh, yeah, that's right. You see Ryan saying goodbye to people. He walked off because Felipe wouldn't stop promoting stuff. At the end, I was like, as a joke, I was like, you want to promote anything else?

If it was like, actually two things. First off, oh, my God, jeez, Felipe. I was just promoting Ryan. Okay, I want to move on to the, what else you got? Can I say one thing? Is it going to be a promotion for something? No, no. But first I want to know, you have the word clarity, and I hope you're talking about a Honda.

Do you want to do that truck cars? I do, because I got to know what it is. All right, I got a sad, very sad story for you. Sean knows what it is. I got a very sad story for you. This week, our editor, our video editor, and helper to Sean during the podcast, this is not about a Honda Clarity.

Was hit. He was driving his Kia Tell Your Ride. Oh, no. And he was hit by a car changing lanes, and that car was a Honda Clarity. What? Pull up a picture of a Honda Clarity. I don't feel like that.

And I thought to myself, no, pull it up. This is part of the point. I thought to myself, you know, when you're in an accident, your first response is, stop, pull over, like make sure that nothing else worse happens. Yeah, put this picture right. Yeah, yeah. But if you're in an accident with a Honda clarity, I was thinking that's the one time when you should try to increase the damage because you really want one less.

You're like doing the, you really, like, look at it, right? It's really a bad situation. It was unfortunate from day one. And this was Nick's chance to destroy one. To get one more off the road. First of all, you know that any damage to the side is totaling that car. You got to assume they don't make parts. They broke the mold.

They're just like, we're ashamed. Click on this one. I can't believe that this car ever came out looking like this. I mean, do you remember that cross-tour, though? That was even worse. No, it was not worse than covering the rear wheel arm. Dude, I don't know. For fuel economy or hydrogen economy.

It's funny because Honda has been trying to, like, beat the Prius since the Prius came out, and they've come up with all this crazy stuff. Well, fuel cell, the Mariah also is. And this, well, but the... This wasn't a fuel cell. It was a plug-in hybrid. There were fuel cell clarities, but not 99.9% of them, including the one that hit him, was just a plane. I assumed it was the, I was going to make a joke about if he got thirsty while waiting for the police.

Oh, he could just drink from the thing. Go back to the overhang picture. I mean, this is really one of the bad cars. Pull up a cross tour. No, we're good. We're going to not go down this road. It is worse. It's not, then the covered rear wheel arch.

Look at the rear of the cross tour. It's not a bad looking car. It's also probably the best Honda. Anyway, I felt bad for next to everybody, especially felt bad for the, the Honda clarity person who now has to try to get this thing fixed. And I'm sure all they were thinking was, this is my chance. I can finally get out of this thing. The Hana Cross doors is not worse at all.

In fact, this is what every EV. No, go from the back view. The front view is fine because it's just like a lip-ed-ed-acquered. This is what every EV looks like now. This is what a Model Y looks like today. There is no difference between this and a Q5 sport back. Or an E-Tron sport. No disagree.

There's four is actually worse. There's one in my very progressive neighborhood that I walk by all of the time. and I think I can't believe I have to live with this person. It is funny because he complains and people complain, but that is what all EVs now look like. I do want to say one thing. I'm going to Italy for a couple weeks in June, which I'm really excited about.

We're going all around. We're going south for the first time in years. It's going to be exciting. There are no good, like, rental cars in Europe have gotten worse because all of them now are cars that I would like as a daily driver, I guess, like a hybrid or an EV or small SUV. Right. I purposely rent like the like small.

They're a hatchback because I want a manual transmission. I refuse to drive in Italy without a manual transmission. I have refused cars and made them give me a manual transmission car. Right. Because I am who I am. Right. But there's so few. And they're not great anymore.

And you see that every car was that. Turro doesn't exist in Italy. No. It doesn't exist in France. It's in France. And there's good stuff on Turro and France. Like legit good stuff, but they're not in Italy. You can rent a Miata, but it's like 5X the price of everything else.

And that's not worth it. Sixth doesn't have anything cool? at insane prices. Malpensa Avis, last time I was there, they offered me a Julia, which I'm sure was a one-liter automatic 38-hous power. I don't do such things. I turned it down and took a C-max instead. Good car.

They're both bad. I mean, the Julia's good, but the one that they would have given me, which would have had hub caps. I will have an Opel Astra or equivalents or something. Oh, what a shame. Last time I had a Peugeot 208, which has a small steering wheel. Yeah.

It was great. Can I make this question? You should go for Volkswagen up or similar. Too small. Also, they don't make the up anymore. Too small in what way? They don't make the up anymore. Too small in what way.

I've gotten used to some amount of comfort for the... Oh, my God. We do a thousand miles. Wow! These luxury... We literally do a thousand miles in a week. You're watching lifestyle creep. I went up to the polo class.

This is bad. Bad behavior. I said Astro earlier, but... Quite disappointed. But if anybody knows of, like, better options, let me know. We don't. Yeah, I know. I don't mean you.

I think you should buy that. something that we want to buy anyways. I've considered that. I've considered that, but it's not, we've learned that it's not, that it is doable, haven't we? I don't know. I don't know. We looked into this for you. In Italy, to purchase a car, you need to be in Italian.

You need to have it. You need to have a time. But you can buy one, there's like some paperwork you can do to drive a car there if you're not. Yeah, get it on it. We looked into this. Oh, wow. We're not doing it again. We're not doing it again.

I got to ask about, you know what, this is the thing about these cars, these, these bad European cars that Americans idolize. It'd be like Europeans idolizing a Ford Taurus. And I got interviewed, you know, my old A-class, my old A-class got hit on the street six months ago and totaled. Thank God. And it's at Copart now. The buyer of your old A-class, but the prior owner then bought your A-2? Well, it's a little complicated because, and that's part of the story.

The A-class that I imported was so bad that I sold it, I hated it. I sold to a guy in Texas who hated it. He sold it to a guy in Texas who hated it. And then he sold it to a guy in California. and that car had four owners in a year because everybody got into it thinking this will be cool and then it turned out to be utter ass

and finally it got hit and got destroyed and so it's at Copart and Matt Hardagree called me who works for the Autopian and he said hey your old A class at Copart we're doing an article do you want to say anything about it and I said right I said quote me that card got what it deserved

and that's the problem with the Evan team like we do that so it's like oh it's so cool Then the car comes here, and one month into the multiply, you were like, you know. Yeah. I love the move, though. I suspect Tony Airlines might be ready to move on by the time I ship him his replacement hubcap. Really? Did he say that?

No, I just suspect. Because you've had the experience. It's implied by the length of his ownership. The fact that he has one at all. Now, if we got a Velcates, it'd be different because I think that would give me some luxury. It is more comfortable for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I should look into that. I could buy a car in Italy. Do it. I won't, obviously, but I could. What you're hoping is that some viewers like, hey, I'll give you a car for a month. No, I don't want any kind of responsibility.

So I actually will just rent the car from whichever rental car company was cheapest when I booked it months ago. If you don't want any kind of responsibility, you should do what I do and get the full insurance. I've never been in any kind of motor vehicle altercation. Yeah, but if you get the full insurance, you will be. That's the thing. I would prefer to avoid that.

No, no. This is one of the things I do. Listen, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, wealthy to the point where I can just do whatever I want. But I have enough money now where I can do stuff like buy the full insurance. And when I do that, I just treat it like a bumper car. I'm dead serious. You see a clarity?

You just... I now, whenever I go to Europe now, I get full insurance and I... If it scrapes on something, it scrapes on something. But they sold me the insurance. Naturally, by virtue of who I am, I just will not scrape it on something. That's how I felt for a long time, too. Yeah. And then this last time I was in Italy and I had this van and I had full insurance and I was in parking a tight spot.

And there was for some reason a giant, a row of giant cement pillars next to the parking spots, all of which had paint transfer. And I just, and then you'd think that you'd try to get out of there and park somewhere else. No, I went and then we were in the spot. That poor B-series Mercedes. Oh, I can't do that to a car. Well, enjoy Italy. Thank you. I will.

I'm excited. There will be a couple weeks that I'm not on this podcast. I know. Oh, my God. And I'm sad about that. Who's going to be instead? Ryan Lopez and I are going to arm wrestle. What time is this podcast?

You could do this podcast early evening. It's true. And then you could update us on the rental car thing. Excellent plan. Not a shot. What about, do they not have little manual SUVs anymore? There's a chance that that's what I get. I could get a renegade with a manual.

That exists, but that would be a bad decision because it's a bad product. Yeah, right. I agree. And so last year, the first car that I got was an Opel Grand Lamp. which is like a mid-sized SUV. Yeah. It had a manual and a diesel, and it had a little bit of an oil leak issue.

So you gave it back? I gave it back and I got a picture of the way. I would never have done that. I would have just bought some oil. You know what your problem is? I also really didn't want the Opel Grandland. We showed up at an Airbnb, and the guy legitimately yelled at me

about why did I bring that bigger car to his town? And I decided that wasn't something I was interested. And then you spoke to him in Italian and tried to explain yourself. The last talk car segment thing I want to discuss is my search for an S-210 E-55. Folks. That's not what you have written down, buddy. Sean S-E-A-N at Cars and Bids.com.

S-E-A-N at Cars and Bids.com. I want a 2000 or 2001 E-55 wagon silver post-Facelift. I don't even care of it as a third row anymore. I don't care. It doesn't matter to me. That's what I want. Thanks to Nick.

One of them came up on Facebook Marketplay. in the Northwest. I know about that car. I declined to purchase it. I'm not going to talk bad about it, but I would say that if you were interested in a car, that you maybe wouldn't want that one either. Yeah.

But nonetheless, I'm still looking. If you have one of these, find it. Additionally, I am looking for a Supra. I want a Mark 4 red, Mark 4 turbo manual. I'm ready to buy today. S-E-A-N at Carsand-Bis.com. Don't send automatics. We know about the automatics.

If the car is listed on the internet, assume that I've seen it. Left-hand drive. Send me, yeah, I want LHD. I want a USBDM Supra Turbo. Are you actually ready to do this? Tomorrow. What about a month from now? Yeah, a month from now, two months from now, tomorrow.

I'm doing it. I'm doing it. Wow. Mark 4 Super Turbo, Renaissance Red, stick, not modified, and... That card may not exist. Not only gets narrower at all. Eventually, I'm going to have to compromise on color. And I know I'm going to have to do this.

that. And mods. I also want to Mons are reversible. A lot of them anyway. You'd accept light mods. Like actually light. I need to pass small. Yeah. And I and that E-55. That's what I'm looking for. S-E-A-N at Cars and Bids.com. Send Sean an email. If you have those things. Sean is paying top dollar. You know what? I'm going to just put it out there. I'm going to create the alias right after this. You can also email Sean with the other spelling

at carsandbids.com. Oh, good. We'll make sure. Forward it to them. Yeah, yeah, of The spilling of Sean at Cars and Bids. Any realistic spelling that I'm going to think about in the next minute. S-H-A-W-N. Yeah, that's only one. S-H-A-U-N. No. I'm excited for you to follow in my footsteps.

Do Shane also. On an E-55 wire. That's true, Nick. I'll be following your first step. Of course, I had two AMG wagons before you were, while you were still money shift on your T-TRS. Back when you're in the money-shift in days.

You had a bad color E-63, automatic. That is true. And then I had a good, Color E-63 automatic. Did you? Yeah, I had a white one when I first moved here. You knew me when I owned this car. You think that's a good color?

Yeah, it was nice. Okay, it's time to move on to the market report. And is the market report brought to you by Cars and Piz? Yeah. The market report is brought to you by Nick's merch line. Yeah. $22.58. Really?

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Carsavits.com. The web app or the mobile. Doug, what you got for us? Okay. I want to talk about Pace cars. Can you pull it up, please? You saw this yesterday? I didn't.

All right. We didn't sell or did sell. I don't know. But we had a couple. Camero Pacecar, folks, my guilty pleasure, like Nick's guilty pleasure is watching Newsmax after his wife goes to bed, my guilty pleasure. I don't even know what that is.

St. Diego Company, he's local. Yeah, exactly. And local to North Carolina. I don't. I don't. My guilty pleasure is Pace Cars. I love the indie Pace Car versions of all the cars. To be clear, not, these were not cars that were literally paid cars.

The actual Pace Car needs to be preserved somewhere, right? Yeah. That fellow has a museum to him, the fellow, Roger, what's his name? You know, the Penske. He's got all the... Every time he won indie, he's got the Pace car and the real car.

I don't want any part of that. I want the BS version, the replica. This was... Somebody, first off, bid to $9 to $9,100. This is... $90,000 miles. This is cool.

That's the other thing. Some dude got the pleasure of driving this $60,000. How cool it would be to drive around a pace car for $60,000 miles! Yeah. I want a fourth-gen, Camero Firebird.

It would be so cool! Anyway, what I'm a point is, Pace cars are cool, even if you don't think they are, and they are cheap. They are. Because they're always the worst version of that GM product.

No, it's a Z28. There were a lot of GM products. With an automatic. Very questionable. You're missing the point. Click on the seats. Let's just look at the rest of the paper. Go back to the interior, I do see.

Go to the interior. Oh, wow. I forgot about that. Yeah, all right. Point taken. I'd mess with that. I'd grant you that. Wait, go to the backseat

The rest of them We apparently struggle to sell Pace cards Yeah, no, it's hard It's hard to pay a premium For a car that looks like that Everyone struggles to sell Pace Cars Because they're very limited

And they have this sort of special Pazazazze around them But ultimately they are not that desirable And they're always really easy to find Because they're kind of always for sale Because they were saved And really and they're well preserved They're all well preserved

Yeah, like if they made 500 All 500 are still exist And are like socked away They're not valuable. And yes, they were 90s cars mostly. They're not only GM. So here's an interesting factoid. It's mostly.

Back in the day, the Indy 500 pace car, there used to be like a fight between who would actually put with it. Chrysler, would it be Ford, would it be GM? And at some point that ended, and now GM has paced for decades and it's stupid. But there used to be a fight. John Mellencamp's wife drove an Oldsmobile bravada as an indie pace car in like 2002. Needless to say, they didn't make a pace car edition of that. Stabilitrack.

Stabilitrata. Pretty cool, actually. Look at those seats. Yeah. $9,100. Now, it didn't sell, but that's what it was worth. Yeah. O2, you said?

The final gen bravada. I prefer the up to 2000. No, no, no, no, no one else does. No, no, not, like, as a car, but. Pull up bravadas. No. Nick, you know this car? Oh, yeah.

We have actually hosted, I have it one time. We had a jimmy of a guy. We did, I reviewed a really clean one. You reviewed a, I do remember. Prior to that point. You reviewed both of those. I reviewed both of those cars. Seriously.

I love this bravada. Yeah. Not a good car, but I love that. The next gen was the one you want. The next gen was like the Trailblazer gen. But I'll tell you something. A 4.3V6, which is an engine I made fun of constantly when I was growing up, because it had 190 horse out of 4.3 liters.

Over time, when your mindset shifts and reliability and longevity and durability become your interest, the 4.3 liter V6, you start to really get into. Yep. Sounds like a Toyota owner. Dude, that pays car for $9,100 bucks. And the fact that somebody got to drive it 60,000 miles, that dude was just daily in a V8 Camaro Pace car. Filippo, that Grandsport, it looks so good.

I want that car so bad. I like like my 90s GM. Yep, who doesn't? Like deep-down. Sold for 23. Oh, it could have been you. But that is... 23.

The AMG GTCoupe was also on my list of like, man, every week, though, to get more attractive. I was not interested in that grand sport. I think it was in Florida. By the way, I think we have another grand sport that's live by the time you walk. Is it a nice coop? The blue... It is... So cool.

I think I've got an equivalently nice coop to this. This car is so... Legitimate question, is that the only car to pull up black wheels well? If you think it pulled it off well, maybe. I do. It is part of the look. Project 8. Yeah.

Maybe. So the car would ever consider it. Project 8 could have any wheels when I'd still think it's cool. I'll run all tandy bears on it and I'm still into it. Well, that's cool on anything. Yeah, totally. Pace cars are the bargain of the... century.

Can I talk about C-6s? Of course. Philippa wants to talk about Corvettes. I just want to say but all right. The other day, we sold this, which must be the single nicest C-606 left. It's in a color,

has 8,500 miles. Super late year. Like California owned pretty much on a mile. The only modification was something minor. Yep. Sure, right, like LED light bulbs and fog lights to that. And they pulled a fuse.

60 grand. Yeah. That is both a lot for a C-6. Yeah. But such a bargain for a 7-liter V8, the nicest one of these. Yeah, I mean, you can, it depends what you're looking for. Like, I presume this is going to go to someone who's also, you're going to use it primarily as a show car, like this owner must do. That's a deal.

Yeah, but there are better C-6-Z-0-6 deals. No, no, no, but the fact that the highest echelon, obviously there's also like no-mile cars. It's a 30-60 car. But, like, that feels like a bargain for the top core. Here's a question for you. For this same money, you could get a C8. Yeah, I'd rather have a C6. Z06.

I'd rather have a C8. Can I, fine, I'll talk about C8. CX are getting down to the, like, have retained their value but are dropping. Yeah. I did notice. All right, this ZO6 convertible. Yeah, I'd rather have a C2. 130.

It's a lot of money. Yeah. Do you know what sticker was on this? Zero6 convertible 3LZ, a lot of options. I mean, $195. Yeah, something high. 182. It's up there.

So. C6, C8s in general, we've said, they're holding their valley pretty well, because they have not dropped past high 50s. Yeah. On like a 70 sticker for a big. But the expensive ones are falling. But the expensive ones are 50 grand off.

The 06, I think especially, because 0-1 came out pretty quick after. Yeah. My buddy Brett, like, made an offer at a dealer on a new Z-O-6 was of like 10-under-thinking that they would be like, uh-uh, no, no, on the spot, we're like, yep, nope, let's do it.

Let's do the paperwork. He was like, oh, my God. Brett, by the way, ended up with an M-Coop. An M-Coop. Yeah. But he still talks about how he wants a ZO6, don't we all. They're amazing cars, but it's still big money. I mean, I think that the story, the really desirable story with the C8 is value.

And so at 180, it's a tough car. It starts to get to be a tough car at that point. It's interesting how much the top end. Buy a base C8. If you want to retain value, buy a base C8. It turns out to be the answer. Yeah. For once, being cheap pays off.

Hell yeah. And honestly, a base C8 is such a thrill. It's plenty. That it's, like, totally fine. I thought that's the same way the C5. The base is plenty fun. We'd all prefer the ZO6. Especially for 11.

For the majority of drivers, it has more power than you're going to know what to do with. Absolutely. On that subject, I want to talk about the Caprice. Did you see this Caprice? No. We sold the Caprice PV for more money than I was expecting. Wow, 16. But this is the dream Caprice PPP.

You know about this car? Not this one. I know Caprizes in general. This car was Australian built and it was only sold to government fleets. So you had to be, or fleets in general. Yep. And, but this is a good one because a lot of them were converted into marked police cars and then used and then, you know, run over curbs. This was a detective model.

This is the one. Yeah. So it doesn't have holes in it for light bars and things like that. Still has hubcaps. Didn't have many miles on it. And you know what I realized that is that a Caprice PPV is kind of a backdoor way into owning like a Corvette or a Camero sedan. It's a 6Liter V8 with 400 horsepower. That's a C6.

Yep. And. I mean, yeah. And but for 16 grand and it's four doors, it's not nice. Like the interior was government fleet. Understatement. But it's 16 grand. And it's still a big old V8.

Like, and this one wasn't really used much. 60,000 miles is a 15-year-old car. I should say, it is not actually the V8 from the C-6 Corvette. It's a different motor. It's a different motor entirely has a notably less power. But it is a cool car. What do you mean notably less power? 350.

350. 350. What did the M384 pound fee? I thought a base C6 had 400. Yeah, 360 to 400. The Julia Quadrifoglio had 505 horse when the M3 had 425. 436. Oh, this is a late.

It is a late one. Late one. I mean, all of that is true, but you can get an S-55 that meets all of that criteria. It's way nicer inside for half the price. A grand buys you a nice S-55. Yeah, but Nick, that's the point I'm making. And you don't have a fleet sale interior. You have more power.

You got to ask. It checks all the boxes. For four grand less. Do you not buy this? Look at that. It doesn't even have headlights. Someone control X them and forgot the control V. But like, that's the thing.

Like the Caprice is going to be relatively affordable to own. Do you understand kind of where I'm headed with this? TCL? TCL is what I'm saying. Yeah, I know that this doesn't matter to... Guy money shifts at TT rebuilds the motor, doesn't care. You got four grand left over for maintenance. What's a kind of...

That's all you'll need. That's all you'll need. Also, the gray looks... Two grand for headlights right there. The gray looks good. Yeah, it's a nice thing car. This is a backdoor way into owning a nice G8 or a nice C6 Corvette or a CTSV without making a big splash. There's one other market report we got to talk about, which is...

Oh, mine. Wow. SLS. You guys have a very nice one that has not sold yet. And I think that's the nicest one. These cars still blow my mind because it came after the SLR and is arguably better in a lot of ways. They are much more affordable. The roadsters in particular are like a significant discount over the fixed roof.

They're such a bargain. But the roadsters aren't. But all of the, they're just such a cool car. And I think it blows people away in terms of like how special it is. I mean, to buy that for 83 or to buy a coop for mid-100s. Specialness for 83 is high. People are buying base 9-11s that. have nothing interesting about them for that.

An AMGGGT is faster than this car, more agile than this car. This is a beautiful car. Yeah, look at this. Feel special. AMGGGT is beautiful and feel special. You're going to win your small town. They're going to win your small town concor in this. And in AMGGGGT, they're going to think you're another dead.

I totally disagree. I think 99.99% of people seeing those two cars driving down the road will think they are exactly the same. I will think that's less is cooler. And the AMGGGT is faster and cheaper. The coop is a different story. If you go back to the coop that we're selling right now. With the doors. That is cool.

Like the doors. A lot of cars have doors that open like that, like up. Yeah. No cars have true goal wings, except for this and the goal wing, yeah. And look at that. I mean, maybe the photos are just really good, but, and funny enough, this guy said that he bought it and just liked his Porsche better, basically. But look at that.

I would have that over a Porsche of the same price point every day of the week without thinking twice. It is not a car for Porsche people. It is actually a surprisingly precise driving experience. Yeah. But it isn't, it isn't, it's definitely. more of a V8 muscle car. You can't get your stitching.

You can't get it. It's like it's not, it doesn't have like the Porsche, it's like a muscle car vibe. It's more of a muscle car vibe and it's more of like a, you know, kind of super car, maybe even a bit more of a look at me.

Which for 83 for cab is, I get your point, right? This doesn't have the doors. The doors has double. But it looks better than MGGGGT. I think the MGGGT looks great. This looks more classic. Maybe you.

I think that the long hood. The long hood. The LNGGT has a long hood too. There's longer. Let's get a tape measure. Let's get a bolt. You see an SLS, you're like, an SLS. When I see an SLS, I do say that, yeah.

Not for a Cabo. Roadstrom, I'm like, yeah. AMGGGG is better than everyone. I don't know. I'm a Rodester fan personally. I do love, to be clear, I've been talking about how great the AMGGT is constantly, because it is.

Exceptional. This one is really cool. Did you see this? We got this foredoor on the site right now, but it has, like, not annoying wheels. So many of the four doors, the wheels are like 50s, and they're just like in your face, like, I'm going to, yeah,

I like these wheels, but it's a lot. This car is like the subtle, and all the other subtle foredoors are 43s or 53s, and this is a 63, but with the subtle wheels. I feel like it looks like Felipe spec. This is the kind of car that a person of your interest level in things wouldn't want. What is that supposed to me? Like, you know, like a showy fella who wants to maybe loudly and proudly talk about

some of his political affiliations. Maybe he wouldn't want one of these. But a nice Swiss gentleman who wants to be under the radar but still enjoys 600 horsepower. I'm definitely not a nice Swiss gentleman. Have we ever auction a convertible in G-G-T? They exist, right? Yeah. Tons.

Many? Look? That's a pretty long car. Esloss is better looking. It looks very similar. Also cheap. That's the thing. These are a lot cheaper than SLS.

And they're fast-er and new-er. And I don't necessarily see a huge benefit to the SLS. I actually asked for it in Matt and Nick and I. This is a great motor. Anybody who says that they want any motor more than the twin-turbo-AMG-V-8 has never driven a twin-turb. I agree with that. We have to move on to the questions.

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Go to cars and bids.com. Click on the community tab. And then there's a space that says podcast questions and ask it. Folks, I was getting questions up until like five minutes ago. If you're sitting here watching this thinking, oh, it's too late, it is not. too late. Ask us questions. And if you have a good red manual super turbo or a W-2-10-S-210-E-55 wagon, send it to Sean, S-E-A-N at Cars and Bids.com. Or S-H-A-W at, who cares or S-H-A-W-N. We're even going to do Shane. S-H-A-N-E, Shane at Cars and Bids.

Pull up that ranger. Yeah, flatbed ranger. Stakeside. I want that. That is so cool. You don't know what I'd do with it, but man, you need it. That is worth every penny of $600 This is like the A class though. Like yeah, I totally agree. Like we go to the interior. No, I would start a landscape in business. I remember this interior, I can tell you everything. I live, I've been in so many of these and I just know, like six weeks into it, you're

like, well, back in the plastic. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, the Ford Explorer is the exact same dash. Yeah, totally. And a lot of Ford's honestly, a lot of Ford trucks. Ben seat in the front, nice. Then you got a long throat.

Front bench, but with a manual. Yeah. Don't put your foot there. One time, I was on a small plane and, uh, I was on a small plane and, uh, I was a, They sat me in the front and I had no leg room. And I was sitting there like this. And my knee over, like it was an hour of flight and my knee over time, like started to like move into a control. And I just barely tapped at the power.

I was like, don't touch that. I was like, oh my God. I could barely contort into the space. That could be you sitting right next to me, arm around each other in our Ranger Stakeside. That would be cool. Ranger danger, baby. Oh, wow, Felipe was going through the cars. Okay.

Yep. Um, first question from JB86. First question, the Porsche Museum had a first-gen, has a first-gen-convertible prototype. You ever seen a picture of this? Mm-hmm. Pull it up. Yeah, the one that looks like kind of a speedster. Uh, yeah.

I'm a bigger fan of the Newport Convertible Engineering version, but, uh, had Porsche, yeah, that's so cool. Had Porsche made this? I don't know. Uh-oh, we're in AI mode. We're an AI mode. If Porsche made this wood, Doug, of Bonner. The thing I think is cool, pull up that picture. The thing I think is cool that people don't realize, because the pictures that they've shown are from the side.

It does look like this because it was a design study. They were trying to design two different rear ends. Exactly. And so they put them both on the car. So the real one, this is a rendering, but the real one looks like that. But they only ever show side photos because they don't want anybody to see it. It's super cool. So would Doug have bought that to the G convertible?

No. Next question. Would you have bought it? For sure. You'd buy a two-door cayenne convertible? I would buy any Cayenne convertible. Convertible SUVs are Pinnacle. One day you'll learn this.

Wait a sec. One day you should get one. Wait a second. You can talk about it. You'd buy any Kyan convertible. So if one were to come up on cars and bids, would you buy it? Trust me, I've seen it. I've heard of it.

I would have bought it had I acted on Facebook marketplace quicker. Yeah, you should have. I still think that is a very cool car. You should have regrets. And I kind of want to put wood paneling on my L-405, just to, paid tribute to it. Next question from Seb H9. Hello, Doug.

Are there any more ideas in the pipeline for concept car reviews? And if so, can we get small spoilers? Maybe the Cadetal Mirage. I did actually, so I reviewed a concept car six months ago in Detroit. It was a Cadillac, well, the Cadillac Voyage was the 80s concept car. So I reviewed this Cadillac Voyage up in Detroit. And I learned something on this shoot, which is concept cars, though they look like cars, they are not.

Cars. They are display pieces. And I've always known this, but this really drove at home when the guy was like, listen, he's like, we can only drive around the GM campus. We can't go on the street. And we can't go more than 12 miles an hour. And you really don't want to take any bumps. So if you get to a bump, you got to go really, really, really, really slow. And one time I got it to a bump and I went really, really slow.

And he said, that was too fast. And so concept cars are rather difficult vehicles to view. However, this is a spoiler. Last week at the Peterson Museum, I reviewed a movie car, which honestly is basically a concept car. Pull up the Jaguar that I reviewed. Do you know what it is? I don't know what it's called now. XKR from Die Another Day. Love this car.

This is one of my all-time favorite movie cars. I've got this die cast somewhere. And there it is right there. That's literally the car, Peterson Museum. Just like your grandpappy's jag. Yep. Except the gun. Here's an interest that has a gun.

It's also one of their main difference from your grandpappy's jag. it's on a Ford Explorer chassis and it has four-wheel drive. Really? And a Windsor 302. Wow. They went through a lot of effort. Anyway, the video's coming

and it's going to be quite a video. Let me just tell you. You reviewed a couple of other things. Yeah, but this was the highlight. How cool. They made eight, and a couple of them were on Explorer chassis including this one,

and it's quite something. That is way more than I expected. Driving this around L.A., I assume this was just a body kid on a jag. No, it's real, because it had to, like, slide around and, like, really do stuff. I guess, yeah. And I guess in order to modify it to get the speeds they wanted or the capabilities they wanted, it had to, I think four-wheel drive was essential. Because if you ever driven on ice, rear-wheel drive is, like, very, is difficult to control anyway.

And so once they were doing that. Did it look weird in person? I mean, it looks fairly normal. The only way you can tell the rear offset is wrong. The rear wheel is out further than it should. But the other way you can tell is the moment you start. it. It goes, you know how to drag, you start up,

you know, it's like this. This car, it goes like this. So I drove around L.A., no exhaust, no muffler, with a big old Ford V8 and, medium-sized Ford V8. I was anxious about the police, so I didn't drive it for long, but it was an unbelievable experience. Also, when they gave me the keys,

which was a set of house keys, they said, they said, it's only got a three-gallon tank. So don't go far. And I said, all right. And then I started it, and it made that noise. And I was thinking, well, that was about a half a gallon. Right there. Were you worried the police would have concerns about the gun on the back?

Yeah, we were concerned about the gun. But I was especially concerned about the exhaust note attracting attention. To the gun, yeah. To the gun. People are like, what is that? Oh, it's a car driving around with a gun. Yeah. We have some problems.

Yeah. But I got it right back to the museum. Shout out to the Peterson. Unbelievable experience. Anyway, I always wanted this movie car, and I don't anymore. Understandable. Every time I'm around a concept car or movie car that I've always wanted, I come away thinking I don't want to even see this.

What about the Jurassic Park ML320? You were there, right? I was there, but I wonder if it... We wanted that. I wonder if it would drive, you know what I mean? What motor does that have? What other stuff did they do to that? It certainly had some visibility impairment.

This is our favorite movie car. No, I'm familiar. This is Jurassic Park 2, which actually is set partially in San Diego. The T-Rex gets loose here in San Diego and kills all sorts of stuff. We're pretty close to the zoo. Was it at the zoo?

No, the T-Rex, what happened was they were bringing the dinosaur into the port of San Diego. You never seen the movie? No. It's one of the great scenes. You remember this? The dinosaur, they lose contact with the ship. Sure.

What happened? They're not... The dinosaurs on the ship. They've got the T-Rex. He's sedated inside the ship. They're like, oh, the ship, it's coming. It's coming. They see it on the radar screen, and then they look up, and the ship is coming full speed into the port because it didn't slow down because the T-Rex eat everybody on board.

And then the ship crashes into the port, and then the T-Rex gets loose and starts terrorizing San Diego. And the ML320 by then was no longer part of the movie, but it was a great couple of scenes that it was in. Oh, I'm going to re-watch that. It's a good film. Next question from Foy Runa. Dude, Doug, are there any car YouTubers, this is for all of us, especially you, car YouTubers that you haven't met but would like to meet. I would love to be a fly on the wall for a Doug DeMiro and Scottie Kilmer conversation.

Sam. I've got no interest to me in Scottie Kilmer. Obviously, my number one that I would like to meet is Whistling. Yeah. Who do you want to meet? I want to have a competition between me, Rich Rebuilds, and Sam Crack on who can do the most half-ass job at repairing a broken car. You and Rich Rebuilds and Sam crack.

But they're like good at this. Yeah. But like in a joking way. Rich Rebuilds is the all-time greatest automotive YouTuber. I'm just saying. I agree. You agree, right? Yeah.

He just did an Audi essay that I just like, I wanted to slow down time and just savor it. There is absolutely the funniest person in the entire history of you. So good. So good. Wish I could be on that level, but I have to provide helpful advice. Sean tells me I can't say things like that. Not that I'm anywhere near as funny as Rich Rebuilds, the greatest automotive YouTuber. So that's what you want to do.

Yeah. I think that would be great. I think it would be cool if you all started with roughly the same car and the same tools and whatever. and you were given like six hours, and you had whatever comes out of it is what comes out of it. It would be like car track, only the first person to escape Sam's farm wins. And no one would win. It would be a never-ending project and we would all just live on Sam's property the rest of our lives.

And then Sam would kill them all and eat them. But we would have the most shameless product integrations known to mankind to shove it full of ass. Is that what Sam does? Sam, I admire Sam greatly. But let's just say Timo has approached both of. us for some heavy promo content. Sam and I are the only two people in automotive YouTube saying yes. Me because I got nothing to lose. Sam, I'm not sure why. He's got to be he's probably got to pay for all this stuff. I want to talk about Felipeo and his car YouTubers.

I got nothing for you. Come on. There's nobody. I watch not that much car YouTube. I'm sorry everybody. I have introduced you to so many wonderful people in our business over the years. They're delightful. You got nobody? I mean, I've been a lot of delightful people. You did have dinner with the folks from Throttle House and didn't invite me. Still angry about that. No, I had dinner with the straight pipes and didn't invite you. Both happened.

I had breakfast with the folks from the Throttle House. Right. Brat House also came to the office, so I have met, met them. Okay. I don't care. They're great people. You didn't care to me, these wonderful people? They're delightful people. So from a friendship perspective, I care.

From a celebrity perspective, I don't care. A couple days ago, the Throttle House guys call me James. They only speak to me through James. I'm Thomas doesn't, Thomas and I. Thomas, that is the smartest thing you've ever done. You need an intermediary. James is our intermediary. I'm so jealous of Thomas.

He's like our differential. We need an office, James. We do need an office, James. James text me. By the way, James only, here's another weird thing. James only speaks me through voice texts. Oh, that's the worst. Anyone doing that, please stop.

We're all begging you. PSA. So he texts me and he says, hey, we're doing a video. I'm maybe blowing this. They probably shouldn't talk about this first. Yeah, I think you probably just shouldn't talk about this. They says, we're doing a video on the

best car at each, the best two-car garage at each price point. And we've asked other car YouTubers to give their responses at various price points. And we want to ask you to do the highest price point, the million dollar price point. You have to pick a two-car garage. And I said, well, does it have to be a daily driver? And he said, whatever you can think of. And so I decided that I wanted to include a daily driver because he said, whatever you can dream. And in my dreams, my family's still there. So I did an overtrail and a kuntash. But I'm curious what you think for a million bucks your dream two-car garage would be. Hey, y'all, it's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair.

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More price point are we putting on that? The problem is, and they specifically said this, but the problem is... Yeah, the X-Tand world. They said that you have to have... The price point has to be very... verifiable. Okay.

That makes a trickier. Yeah. So I thought going the dominator route. Yeah. LMO2 for 400, then I got 600 left to play with, and I would get the nicest Diablo I could buy with six tricks. Wow. Probably an SIEC thing.

Driving your children around it, Nick? The LMO2. The LMO. That's fair. Not frequently, though. This is going to be a frequently broken down garage. Yeah. Two landless.

Okay. Thank you, Nick, for that. I appreciate it. I'm not even going to ask yours. Thank you for not. Appreciate it. The best gift you ever gave us meeting automotive YouTube. is you will occasionally invite them over

and then invite all of your friends over and then ask them horribly uncomfortable and deeply personal questions like confronting Hoofie about his marriages in front of his fiancee at the time which was one of the best dinners ever and I don't think whoopi's ever forgiven you for that. You know what?

They got married, I think in part thanks to me. Do you? Or despite you? I don't know. Definitely despite. For pushing them in that direction. Is that your recollection of that? Yeah.

That's not what happened. I remember Hoovie leaving, like just bolting for the door. No, shout out to Hoovian and April, who we love. It was great. And yeah, there have been some interesting ones over the years. Next question from Cavalieri. Dear Doug, please, tell us, what do you think people are using household-style outlets for in cars?

Blenders, hair dryers? No. We use it for charging laptops. Yeah, pretty much it. If you're on a long road trip, like I have worked. And so you tether your phone and you plug in your laptop and you can get stuff done while you're a passenger. It's very useful.

You can get converters from the like cigarette style outlet. But it's really nice if you don't need that. Yeah. And you just plug it in. And you also are pulling more power than the cigarette adapter does. Right. For anything real. Yeah.

It's amazing. There's a reason that every minivan company has put in vacuum. Sometimes you want to just vacuum out your car. I don't know. Life's easier. The household outlets, there are so many benefits for it. It is a big power drop. It is another one.

Like, my camera equipment is not necessarily plug into a bowl to USBs. I have the brick that plugs into an outlet. Boom, just plugging in while I'm driving to a shoot. It's very useful. Also, sometimes probably a blender. Your dryer requires which power, I suspect, but. Sometimes you plug in a blend. You ever blend while you drive?

No. Not while you drive. You got to be, unlike the Fiat 500L, you can't normally make espresso in your car. Right. He has never had a car with a power outlet. Of course not. Of course not. I haven't even had one with USBC.

You were looking down upon that earlier, but let me tell you what, that's a badge of pride in my household. Does the Sequoia have a power outlet? Yeah, in the trunk. Nice. I prefer the power outlets be in the passenger area. My E-class station wagon has a U.S. power outlet. Yes, it's only a two-prong. But it does.

That's okay. That needs to be grounded. Well, you can't plug in the laptop, though. It depends on which adapter you have. It's okay. Oh, I never thought about doing an adapter. We'll talk about it separately. It's all good.

But yeah, the E-Class in the second row has a two-prong. Wow. Yeah. It's really nice. It's really nice. I'm not at that level of fancy. Our three-row station wagons don't have that. Yeah.

Don't need them. It'd be nice, actually. You know, by the way, I think my E-class station wagons faster than yours. That is something we can test. It's got it. Barona? Well, let's see. Barona's too short.

Well, actually, you know, Barona would probably be the one for me, because you won't get a good launch. Right. Also manual. That will hurt his time. Yeah, I think, yeah, let's do brawl. Well, I don't think there's a quarter mile anywhere nearby. E55, zero to 60 wagon 4.4 to 4.5 seconds. You've got to be in the same ballpark.

Yeah, 2023 E450 wagon, 0 to 60, 4.4 seconds. Yeah, I can add a lot of power to mine really easily. And he's a stick, and it's him. Undoubtedly, mine's faster. Right. So, AMG yourself. Oh. It's hard to be faster.

Can I make a request? Yeah. Can we just be done? No, we got two more questions. Two more. We got time today. Two more. It's tons of time.

Longest pot ever. From just Josh and yeah. Doug, what's with that empty spot in your garage on the wall of Colorado plates? Don't tell them. Make them figure it out. Folks. Make it figure it out. My entire life has been devoted to finding a Colorado denim license plate from every county.

Pull a picture of a color. You have to. Because what if they, what if they, they find it right here, Felipe. This could be the moment. I'm trying to find one from every county. My entire life, I grew up as a boy in Colorado. This was on the road, all the cars.

Any one of these, click on that one. And I want to find one from every county, and I'm missing two counties. I've been searching, I swear to God, I've been, for 20 years, I've been looking for one of these lives. I'm missing two counties. Rio Blanco, which starts with Y1V,

Rio Blanco's way up there in the northwest, that one there. And mineral, which is down here. Creed and 20 years I would sell Nick to finish this run

I'm surprised you're stopping there you should I sell you too I think you would consider it having had the displeasure of liquidating some of your previous holdings I can tell you people that collect license plates are a very special breed

and I think there's only room in your life for one of them and that is you and therefore I want nothing to do with the rest the community. Nick, I'll give anybody who can turn up for me a mineral denim or a Rio Blanco denim, I'll give you $1,000 each. That includes you. Plus the value

of the plate. Now, I want to tell you something. Rio Blanco, there's 500 of them. And they're pairs, so there's a thousand plates. There's a ton out there. This could be a way for you to make some extra cash. How many collectors have them all? There's only one or two guys. Wow. Who have a full set. And mineral

is a story. It's like very difficult. So mineral's going to be hard. I don't think you'll find that one. But Rio Blanco's findable, Nick. Why have you not found her? There's an old lady we know of who has one, and she's unwilling. She's not ready to let them go yet. There's a thousand of them. There's a thousand of them.

There's a lot of them. The last year they were made was December 3199, so it spent 25 years. And, you know, people didn't save this kind of stuff. They don't realize how special. It's in somebody's barn. Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. The mineral, maybe not.

That's a different situation. But the Rio Blanco is. I'm off for a thousand bucks, but this is a good opportunity. Plus the value of the plate. I assume that they're valuable. Yeah, so $1,06. That's what I'm for. Philippa, this could be a chance for you to really,

and you could say I did something. If you, I'll tell you this, if you go to Meeker. Yeah. Is it a nice town Meeker? It's a sort of a high, high plains town. It's really a mountain community in a sense, but it's not in the mountains. Oh, this looks beautiful.

Well, that's, yeah, it's fine. It's nice. Meeker's nice. and if you go there, I'll pay your airfare. It's fine. Newtown slogan. It's fine. I don't know what this is.

Oh, I see a B7. Missouri license play. Yeah, nice B7 there. L'O FJ 40. Filippa, there's great cars in Meeker. By Felipe's standards, those are pretty decent. This is like a beautiful town. It's a beautiful town.

So, look, I'll pay your airfare and your travel to go to Meeker and find one. Every once in a while, we just see people with, like, the old California plates still rolling. rocking them, you know, like, you could probably just go there with a Phillips head screwdriver, drive around enough. No, we, there's only like, there's like two or three pairs still on the road. We know that. Doug has considered. Find some junkyards. I carfaxed him at all at one point. You get, they all had that, they started at Y1V like zero one hundred and I carfax through zero 500 one day. Man, miss having that unlimited carfax. It was a great day. It was great. It was great. Uh, Felipe, if I'll pay your airfare and your travel to meeker. The thousand bucks

no longer applies, but I'll pay your airfare and travel. Producer Sean, a little, a little trip. Oh, this is a great. This is a great. This is. It's a great video. The next key video. It's such a niche audience. My buddy who finished his run with a mineral, which is the hardest by far, he found the person and offered him $500. And they were like, are you like a crazy person? Are you a scammer?

And he was like, no, I will give you $500. I will meet you in the town. And he drove six hours with $500 and he gave him the $500 and he got his play. But they didn't have two. Wow. There you go. That's the story of the empty holes. Do you have anything to add to that?

Nothing that will make you more interest Will you send Felipe out to Meeker to get me? Sean's going to, this is going to work. That would actually be an interesting documentary on license plate collectors. Don't think it would. I don't think there's much interesting there. Also, the collectors aren't in Meeker.

They only go there to buy plates. I want to be clear. Just in general. My interest in license plates, I want to be clear, is limited to the following thing. Colorado license plates from 1992 to 1999. Nothing else. And all right, this has gone on far too long.

Agreed. Nick, absolute pleasure. Thank you for coming. Thanks for having me. Loved everything about it. Felipe, you want to promo anything while we finish up? Cars and Bids.com. Oh, boy.

Ryan's already standing. All right. Thank you all for watching. Be on the lookout for a lot more information about Velocity Invitational, where we'll have 15 incredible cars there, a really cool event at Sonoma Raceways with our first ever, like, live auction situation. I'm excited, okay?

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