THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - New Bugatti News! Nissan GT-R is FINALLY Dead, Bidding Wars, and Bad Reputations!

Episode Date: June 28, 2024

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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippo. And today we're going to CarPod. Starting with some news. All right, let's do it. The biggest news story this week is the new Bugatti. Bugatti.

I don't like any of that. Blugato. Tell us about it, please. It's called the Tour Beyond. Because Bugatti's French, right? Which unfortunately will be said wrong. You know how people on Instagram say Gallardo? Or like, poor saying, this is the Tour billion.

The tour billion. Actually, that doesn't sound so bad. Anyway, it is a facelifted Shiron. Just kidding. It's completely redesigned, but somehow they managed to make it look just like a facelifted Shiron.

And it has the windshield wafer in the middle because it's a Lamar car. It really does look like a Shiron. Here are the specs. Yeah, it does. You know, when they have Veyron to Shiron, it was like, whoa. And now they did this and it's like,

oh, yeah. Okay. It looks cooler, though. Like, the back wheel is more muscular. It looks, it's a longator. It looks cooler. It's more exciting. In fact, go to the next picture.

It also has doors the size of God. Those doors do not fit on that body. If you close those doors, it would damage the whole car coming down. I think the angle is weird of this in some way. You agree with me, though, that it looks like a fake picture. Yeah, and it might be. It looks like some Photoshop that some kid enlarged doors that were up. Yeah.

There's no way they're that big. If you opened those doors in this space, the person on the third floor would be like, why are you coming in here? If you opened those doors and it was breezy at all, it would take take off like a ship. The car is gone. They'd be saying tour billion 10 miles away. Okay, go back to the actual car.

Despite the fact that we're making fun of it, it has some really cool things. It does. No, I'm so sorry. The door extends over. It's like a Ford GT door, but it opens up. Oh, the whole silver thing is the door? No, look. You can see the cut line in the roof.

Oh, it's that. That's why it's so big. It's like the whole thing. That wasn't true of the Verona. on, right? Well, they have normal opening doors. They do not have the crazy little gall-wingy things. Well, it does now. Which, by the way, the Kuntash started. Okay. That's please. Though we are making fun of it, it has some pretty interesting things.

It is a naturally aspirated V. It's a plug-in hybrid, so it's got an electric motor. But everybody was worried Bugatti is going to go fully electric. They are not. It is a naturally aspirated V-16. Oh, like the Cadillacs with the front ends, the size of a city block. Yeah, I'm familiar with 16-cylinder engines. That's wild. But this is a V. Not a W. A V.

I prefer a V-16. Naturally aspirated V-16 that in its, on its own, it makes a thousand horsepower without a turbo. Which is what the shoe-roen makes about, right? But it has turbos. There's turbos everywhere. You take apart a shoe-owned engine bay, which Kenan and I have done on a long weekend with a couple of cold ones. I believe it was Memorial Day 21. That's right.

I don't know. Had a couple too many cold ones. I can't remember. And, well, there are so many turbochargers we lost count. But this car is a naturally aspirated V-16, 8.3 liters. Okay. Reds to 90-flug-in hybrid. 9,500 RPM.

Plus, there's an electric component for a total of 1,800 horsepower. We're just making up horsepower numbers. Well, this one's 1,800. How much do you got? 302. Oh. That's a powerful car. Zero to 16 in two seconds, stop speed of 276 miles an hour,

which is an interesting figure because it means that, it's behind the Aspark Owls, top speed record-setting top-speed run of 276.2. Nonetheless, those are legitimately insane figures. Although it has doors that could swallow Kennan Hole. The Asperk is 272.6. Oh, thanks. So the... Thank God.

It looks like a bug with big wings. The doors are insane, but I will say, we were joking about the Shiron facelift. If you go to the next picture, it actually looks a lot different here. The Shiron's taillight is very, very different from this. Yeah, this looks like a McClare. But if you're looking at, it kind of does. But if you're looking at like individual things to distinguish a car, it's not ideal. I think it will look actually different in person.

We're seeing just a few others. It probably will. I mean, if you go back to the front, it definitely looks like pulled out and like stretchier and different and cooler. You'll be able to tell. If I'm wrong, they're making 500 and they're all already sold. That's, they're definitely not already sold. Did they say that? That's what I heard.

Let me tell you something. In the Bugatti world, there's a lot of selling going on. Yeah. You know, it doesn't matter whether you're, whether you've got to use car lot trying to sell a Hyundai accent at 19.9% interest or a Bugatti. It's the car business, you know? Pushing these things out. But it's not like the full Shiron replacement, right? It's like just a special edition.

No, this is it. This is the new Shiron. Wow. This is it. You're seeing it. Exciting. This is the pinnacle of Kevin, 24. Have you ever seen a Shiron?

Have you ever seen a Varon? I've seen a Varon because there's that gold one that goes to, to Kevin's bro. That's the one you have as a reference point. That's tough. I saw a shiron. No, no. It was there last week or two weeks ago. Yeah.

I thought that he sold it. I know. You guys all lied to me and then it showed up. That's the magazine car. Kevin lied to all of us because he was... But anyway. Sorry, Kevin, but it's true. That's the magazine car.

That's the press photo car, we think. We believe. Yeah, I've seen it unwrapped and it's that it's a beautiful speck. It's a blue and white. It's now wrapped gold because it's like an accident injury lawyer. But, all right, what else do you have to? say about the Bugatti. I don't know, but it's got a lot of power, dude. And you'll never see one, but

Kenan and I will, and it's going to be cool. We'll see them at Monterey Carwick. They will bring, they'll bring several of the press fleet, and there'll be a couple customers that'll have them to, and that's probably the only person. I still think that the shiron is probably the cool. If I had, like, infinite money, the first thing I would do is buy a shiron, just flex on him.

I'd pull up in front of his house and rev and stuff. It doesn't really sound, I know, right, but they do sound like thunder. That would, right, he'd think it's raining, and he'd come outside, and you know what? It would be. How much did this? You're on like four bills.

Three to a half or something ridiculous. Do they even bother to give a price on this? No, we don't have a price. I don't think we have a production number. Like, Jazz, if you have to ask. And the thing about production numbers on cars like this is, you know, the Veyron, they gave a production number, and that turned out to be an estimate, let's just say. Yeah. Right.

Okay. That's the new Bugatti. Next news story, on a much darker note, the Volvo S60 is dead. Are you sad about this? No, because the V60 so exists. Is that true? Yeah. The S60, they build it in South Carolina, they're killing it in the U.S.

They're going to keep making it overseas. They had removed the S60 or the V60 and V-60 from the UK, fun fact, but they brought them back. They were strong demand. Was there? Yeah. The S-60 is a great car, but it also came out in 2016. Sedans are dead, and here's another one. Sorry, it came out of 2018.

Here's a contention. This is the most beautiful sedan we've killed. The prior generation of S-XXE was made more beautiful. No. Yeah, you're right. I don't believe that either. Yeah, this is a beautiful sedan. Prior Jen was nice looking.

But this is the most beautiful sedan we've killed. Another casualty of the sedans. And of a car that's been around for seven years. Yeah, it was either redesign or kill, and they killed. And, you know, that is an interesting thing, because this is a segment where 10 years ago, you couldn't have a luxury brand and not be in the segment. Now Volvo's out. You start to wonder what other cars companies are going to start to look at other segments and say,

you know, I'm not really sure. I still wonder why BMW continues to redesign. design the seven series. Yeah. And A8. You got to assume A. It's going to die at some point. There's just no way they can continue that.

I would imagine. I haven't given like a thorough redesign. No, it had a redesign a couple years ago. A thorough. A thorough. A thorough redesign. Can we go back to the Bougat for a second?

Because I actually looked this up and have answers. What do you get? Production is starting 2026. 250 cars will be delivered. You got to understand something about Bugati. Two 50 cars. But then what they do is they're going to say, okay, well, this is, that's just maybe 2026.

We don't know. I don't know. They're going to deliver two, the end well i doubt mass production 256 cars um the starting price is 3.6 million euros so it's just 4 the same as the dollar 3.8 3.9 well that's going to be

an expensive car okay give us a big surprise give us some more stuff all right go to go to the next one all right jeep i've had an investor presentation yeah hold the slide from they have a whole lot of new cars coming out i assume this is illegally taken right i don't know it's been making the browns we did not like

have a mole in inside the Jeep investor relations president. We'll get a lovely email from FCA later. But okay, continue. The important ones, besides the Waggoner S that we talked about a couple weeks ago, and the recon, which I'm not sure will be sold in the U.S., there will, in theory, be a new renegade in just about two years that will be a sub-25,000 EV, which is interesting, if that's true, right?

Like a small SUV for under 25K is really, really notable. And besides that, a lot of refreshes and a new compass. Okay, so... They are trying, they have a bunch of stats about how they like have 17 new model lines and things like that. It's not, I mean, like. Okay, so they're going to do a, they're going to do a Wrangler and a Gladiator facelift pretty soon. Correct. And a Waggonier and Grand Wagonier and Grand Cherokee and Grand Cherokee L.

Those are all getting it facelifted and then these are all going to be brand new. Waggoner S. Recon definitely come to the U.S. because this must be a U.S. I was thinking of the Avenger. I apologize. Yeah, the Avengers is not, but it's not on here. And then the new compass and the new Renegate, there'll be a new Renegane. Well, that was. That's a new mainstream utility vehicle.

That'll keep the Jeep service department's pretty busy. Have you seen incentives on new Wranglers and Grand Cherkies? No, what are they? They're strong. It makes a Wrangler for a kind of appealing. A silver Grand Cherokee L with a black roof, most attractive SUV on sale. It's really a shame that the Grand Cherokee non-El looks as bad as it does. I love how the non-L looks.

I think the Grand Cherokee is still... It looks too short. The Grand Cherokee is still a tremendously appealing product, and I still wish that I could have bought one instead of my sequoia, but I didn't need to get places. You've also, right, you've heard the 4x E oral stories. I've heard general, I mean, you hear about grand reggae, go on the forums, dude.

It's bad. I've heard, I mean, lemon lost up, but I really do want a wrangler 4xie. And like, yeah, they're not expensive anymore. Yeah, that kind of looks like a facelifted wrangler already, doesn't it? Um, what are you used 4 by use cost? Oh, I don't even, you don't even need to go use, man. Just go to the deal with that's the long time.

That's how you'll get your deal. Yeah, well, this is interesting. I mean, Jeep and Chrysler in general have kind of fallen behind. They just had to cancel, like, their biggest, most selling product ever, the Challenger and the Charger. Well, of course, there's a new challenger, but, yeah. But, you know, there's a lot of question about how that's going to be offered and receive. They won't be able to do what they used to do.

Chrysler sells a product. The Jeep Grand Cherokee. Chrysler itself sells a product. But you do start to think with Stalantis, not FCI, I forgot, but you do start to think like they basically said that it's they have the jeep grand Cherokee the challenger and charger the Wrangler and the Ram and then a bunch of ancillary stuff that probably breaks even yeah and now they'll have factory workers employed now they'll have new ancillary stuff yeah i don't know it's a tough time to be a jeep dealer it wasn't that

long ago it was an easy time to be a Jeep dealer but the products are getting old and there's a lot of insiders you remember when the wrangler came out the breeders on the it was hot it was so hot when it came out raggonyer was hot for a weekend And it was Memorial Day. Yeah. It was the fourth. And only in Auburn Hills. No, you see those in Texas everywhere.

But a new renegade sub 25K would be really, really notable. Yeah. I know a lot of 27-year-old women that own a renegade. They will buy it for sub-25K. If it's good, the problem is that the old renegade get this terrible reputation. The compass has this terrible reputation for reliability and quality. They're all young women, but I don't know why. I don't know that people do buy them.

The sheer number of these things that are sitting on lots is kind of... scary. Jeep overproduces. Also, the compass came out in 2012. Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it'll be interesting to see how they execute this lineup for sure. I know there was a second generation compass, but was there really? Well, the first gen came out like 06. I was driving them at Enterprise in 08 and they were bad then. It'll be just going to see whether any of this comes through fruition and what? It all will come to fruition and let's see how it actually goes. The answer is they're going to overproduce these. Everybody's going to be excited and then they're not going to be excited when they come and there's going to be huge incentives on all of them.

The recon could be cool. Like an off-road-road-looking small. Yeah, that would be interesting. They make good cars. It's just, they're just too much production. And I legitimately do want to bring it before by you. Okay, give us the next new story, which is bizarre. The new X3 has come out.

I kind of like how it looks. Do you really? Yeah, I like the exterior. I think generally the market will like the exterior. It's very new and very... So blocky. It's a very fresh design. But it's like a fresh design.

It definitely looks newer than the old one, which I think is going to sell them. You're going to be like, I have the new X3. The last couple X3s have looked somewhat similar. Yeah. Okay, but the crazy thing is the interior. Pull it up. Oh, man. This is what you're, the brand that made your favorite call.

I have not been interested in that brand in a while. Although there are some new cars they make, but this is, this is an example of what people like me hate about. Maybe they're just trying to rub it in your face. I think they are. I think they've become more brazen with it. I mean, I will say, I think that people overjudge new things, and I generally like new things.

However, the detailing around the vents on the side to make this like parenthesis of the dashboard is odd. There are the parentheses are open staplers. It also, to me, looks like what, like, do you remember over the last, I don't know, eight years,

cheap car manufacturers have tried really hard to make their interiors, like, cool. And they do it by putting cloth on the dashboard. Yeah, yeah. And this picture, that's what that looks like. Yeah, they couldn't afford nice plastic so they put cloth. Yeah, it's not.

ideal is it it might be cool in person it's kind of interesting but i think it'll be functional and it'll work and this looks like a giant charging pad and the crystal i drive connector and you know what they're going to sell a billion if you're coming from a second generation preas they'll feel natural and tenant's going to look at and be like ugh and the people who are driving them you know what they'll think about kennens m5 they will never notice it nothing exactly but and there comes up like it doesn't matter what i think i'm not the customer for this car I don't really care. It's over.

It would be a greatly special. As a kid say, I'll take you to Gaplebees. As I once said to a Tesla Model X platter owner who tried to give me gulf about my M5, it's like, I drive an icon, you drive a toaster. That's the difference. But you know what?

This actually looks like a toaster. His dog's a Gaplebees, I bet. That was entirely for you, Doug. I'm going to say that all summer. All right, that's the new X3. got a bizarre interior they're going to sell a million of them and now we're looking at a green Nissan Gt for those of you who can't see at home we're looking at a green Nissan Gtr with gold wheels why because the R35 is coming to an end the gtrak

the EGR scheme is they're selling them in the gtr overall is coming to an end in the US yeah the R35 yeah but it will move on the phrasing matters because it implies just because there's not an R36 there might be there might be you know what the thing about Nissan is with sports cars is they stop and start based on like whims and demand, like the Z they did that. And you got to imagine they'll have done that over the years. They'll probably do an electric sports car of some kind. They will call it a GTR and upset everybody.

You know, there was a lot of talk and a lot of rumors, and it almost happened that this was in Infinity. Really? Back in the day. Because Infinity was like, in 07 or 06 when this came out, Infinity was in its best years. They were selling the G35, G37, Rear-wheel drive cars that were sporty. Which was the skyline in Japanese markets, wasn't it?

Yeah, and that was a Nissan that was rebadged as Infinity. And there was a lot of talk. like, hey, let's just make this in infinity because at the price point, it makes sense. And they didn't because it was the Nissan GTR. Like, that's what it was. Right. But it was a good call. Could have happened.

But, yeah. But, this car has just been around forever. Forever. Whatever. Exactly like this. I mean, this looks like a modded one that you would see just out and about with a thousand horsepower. It is crazy that it's dying.

I think back when I was a kid, I don't know if you remember this. It came out. I remember. And all these magazine stories about how it was like the fastest thing you could find. Like, it was faster than any Ferrari. It was at the time, you know. And, like, I remember somebody did a $599 comparison, one of the magazines, and it was, it was, it was, the GTR was way faster.

And it was like, it was like the Teslas of today, right? Like, at that time, it was way cheaper and way faster. Do you remember when it came out? Do you remember the year? 07, December of 07. I remember it on Top Gear when they were talking about it, and they were like, you know, all of a sudden, why do you need a Ferrari? Very different cars, obviously.

But, yeah, and the value proposition, because when they came out at the time, They were really affordable. Over time, that ratcheted up, obviously. But this has been the GTR of the modern era. And honestly, when I think GTR, this is usually the first car I think of. Yeah. You know, the R-34 is obviously more of an icon. And so the R-32 is a great car.

But, you know, in the U.S., we didn't get those cars. This was the GTR. We've had this for 17 years. Is that right? Wow. That's long in the dude. I remember, I still remember thinking, it's so funny that it's ending because I remember when it came out,

It was such a huge deal. But it was automatic and really expensive. And I remember everybody wanted the R34. Well, it was expensive for what we all thought of Nissan as. You're right. It was very cheap at the time relative to the exotic cars that it turned out to be playing against. But everybody wanted an R34. And then they came out with a $75,000 automatic R35.

And they didn't even call it the skyline. And it was like a big deal. Here it is. Goodbye, green on gold Dut.R. Yeah, what a horrible combination they go out on. This is some special edition of the 9,000th special edition. have made on this body. Many.

Yeah. I am surprised. They've all been great. I should say, to eulogize this car, it was very special for a very long time. When I see them on the road, I still look at him and I still fear them. Legit. I look at them and I'm like, that thing. You feared them.

It doesn't matter what I'm driving. Think that thing could probably beat me. Also, probably whatever one you feel on the street is putting out a thousand-something horseback. Yeah. It'll take you to gavel these, dude. That's great. Goodbye. I introduced Doug to this phrase five years after it was popular.

I forgot about it. I forgot about that great phrase. Well, I'm glad the GTR. fully, but really, you know, has brought it back into our... You're welcome. I am the founder of youth things here. Yeah. I connect those to the youth. All right. We're now going to move on to our next segment, which is talking about cars. And the two of you have much more interesting things than I do.

Kenan has the most interesting thing of all. Yes. So, as many people know, I've been looking for a new car. And I recently, one came up on the site. I actually was the one who edited the listing. and Doug said that I should bid on it because it might go for a reasonable amount of money. It was a BMW Z4M Coop, finished an inner loger up blue. I will happily bring it up.

And it was in, critically, it was in Hawaii, which for most people means that they don't want to buy the car. They don't want to deal with the hassle of sending it back to the continent to the United States. Despite the fact that it's actually not that difficult. People think that shipping a car back from Hawaii is really hard,

but there's this company called Natson that ships every car from Hawaii, and they do it fairly cheap, especially because we're in SoCal. And so it's the first stop. Yep. And it's about the same money as bringing in a car from the middle of the country. Yes, exactly. And it's a state.

Although a lot of people aren't aware of this. Hawaii is a U.S. state. And so you just show up the DMV with the title and you're all set. Now, he made the point that this car is going to go for a deal and I should bid on it. And I decided I would listen to Doug. Can I ask you an important question before you go there? Yes. Every other car you considered is a convertible.

Yes, which is what I want. and top experience. Which is what I want. This isn't. Yes. Now there's a reason for this. So because it was going to go for a deal, I really want the Z4M experience. And I'm just getting tired of waiting for one.

But he was like, you should get this one. I'll do a video on it when you go to sell it eventually. But it had a reserve. So I had to talk to sell or the reserve. So I emailed the seller. And I said I would guarantee him his reserve, whether it got bid there or not, if he agreed to remove it, if he was comfortable with that. Because we have a rule of cars and bids.

Employees cannot bid on cars with reserves because we have inside. information. He did agree to remove the reserve, as you can clearly see. And it got bid much higher than I was hoping. I was in here. You can't see ICE was bidding up to here. 27-5. I was going to go to- You went pretty high. I didn't realize that. I thought you were only in it for like 24-20- 28 was where I was going to cut off. And I felt that that was over-market based on what we've sold-in-for. This one has some miles on it and did have some damage on the Carfax. And it was in Hawaii. But in the end, it went to Brinkman 1024 for 29 grand. And he originally dropped out at some point, I think with this bid, because he said in a comment, which I can go to here,

he said that he was worried that he was bidding against the cars and bidden employee. Then he realized that that just, quote, that just doesn't matter. And he's right, because I knew what the market was on this car and I wasn't going to pay more than he wanted. But he got his dream car. So I'm happy for him. It's a cool car. Because it was a single hump dash, right? It was a non... Yeah, so this is kind of the one that a lot of people want. Interlagos blue, which is the best color on this car.

And it has this interior, which I can't remember the interior name. Oh, yes, right, lights the peng. And it has no navigation. Because the navigation systems on these cars were pretty dated and that screen would break. Yeah. So this is the one you want. This is kind of the one you want. Now, I wanted a full leather roadster with navigation.

So it actually had none of the things that I wanted. But if we were going to go for a deal, the big thing I wanted. Not the Hawaii thing would mean that it was going to be a great deal. Because I've seen Hawaii cars on the site before, so far way under market because people are clueless. I can't believe I'm the one saying this. If it's a deal on a car, you don't want it. It's not a deal.

I wanted to scratch the itch. The it's for the car that's not the car you said. When, when they sell the car you want, because they made a convertible version of the Z4M. What I want, they made, they made nine. I think nine or 15. This is none of the things you want. This is none of the things you want.

Except for the only thing that you want here is a Z4. That's it. Z4M. Okay, fine. But they made other Z4Ms of convertibles. Yeah, that's true. But at the same time, it was going to go for a deal. Look, I just want to have, I'm going to have the car for six to nine months, and it's going to scratch an it.

And I'm getting tired of looking for sports cars. And so, like, I really, I thought if it were going to go for a deal, I would do it. And if not, then I wouldn't. And it didn't. So I didn't buy it. Tell the people you want to buy now. Now that you can't get your 9-6-powered coop. Well, again, the car list of, I did it.

a video on this that you can go back and watch on the Cars and Bids YouTube channel that goes around down the list of cars for $45,000. I would like, to his point, I should own lots of sports cars. You should have a variety of experiences, so I kind of want to own them all at some point or another. But the car I really want. I can't believe you pressured him to bid on this car. Well, I thought

it was, I think he made the right call bidding until it became not a deal. This is what I want. I really want an RT10. I really want a first generation side pipe three-spoke Dodge Viper. Yeah, that's cool. It's cool. And it's a convertible. And it doesn't have navigation.

Not only is it a convertible, but the roof that you have is garbage. And it is a true roadster, really. But I really want this. Do you know what this one sold for? 30. I know. It was that? Yeah, 295.

Now, this one had miles on it. Some miles on, but I think it had an accent. Well, it was green. I mean, the problem is it was green. Like, I think people aren't really interested in the green. Which I am into. You like the green? I want the red.

Yeah. I want a red, like, very early on, I think we sold a red three spokes. Yeah, like this. That's what I want. That would have been the car. Front plate from Wisconsin. Wow. Yeah.

Guys killing it. Yep. In the Midwest driving a viper. Is that a lot of... I think it is, yeah. I think it is. The best license plate ever issued. Because you can move it between your cars.

That's cool. That is nice. Like a dealer plate. The reason I want this is like I've always loved these cars. My dad's best friend in Ohio, like he had a Dodge Viper. Still has it. And I drove it and I love the way it drives. It drives like a Miata with a gigantic engine.

And it's really raw and kind of difficult to use. And that's what I want. I want a car that's an experience and requires you to want to drive it. Totally. I'd like to own this car. Again, for like six to nine months. They're also relatively reliable. They're relatively affordable.

It's an icon. I can't believe they do photograph this with the roof on. I know. It's the nicest day in the history of Wisconsin. You don't know that. It might be 12 degrees. Yeah. It's looking pretty nice out here in the cornfields.

But yeah, I just, they don't, they don't come up as often. as I would like, but I am genuinely looking for one. Like, I think that they're, I think it's... Are we committed to a Viper only? Yeah, that's the one I've kind of settled on it for now. That's like the itch I want to scratch. Stick, bandage convertible comes up. No, it's not going to.

They're so rare, but I would like the V10 club. I would like a V10 manual convertible. Then we'll both have V10 manual convertibles and we'll do a drive. Yes, I will be really... Well, and we'll both be very careful. If neither of us have traction control. If I could just combine my cars. I have 10 cylinders. Right. I want to have 18.

9.1 car. Yeah. 18 cylinders. I'm super supportive of Viper for you and I think they are still bargains and they are definitely bargains to own. I had a 97 and it was never, it gave me some issues but it was cheap to fix. And to be clear, I understand it's a crude car with a truly awful

interior and I know that like, but I just kind of want it for whatever reason. It's a totally different experience from anything that you've had. And that's the problem I had ultimate with the Z-4. Like, I did want you to get it if it was a deal, but like another stick BMA in the S-54. It's not like, I want to have different experiences, and that's not really branching out.

Right. To be clear, I still want one. I think that the Z4M is such a special underrated car. I really do want one. But, you know, look at that. Look at that. You ever see it as three-spoken? No, I'm super supportive of the Viper. Imagine that role in the Rupert of the Z4M coop.

Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. But you're not supportive of the Z4M in general. But you haven't experienced the pure induction noise of an S-54. I accept the Z-4M. It's a couple of it. coop part that just felt because you said that you learned some things though i did learn some things yeah so like i said as a rule for cars and bids we have to talk to sell right to no reserve by doing

that it excites the audience because now everybody knows the car is going to sell and you end up losing out so i'm i'm looking for one that maybe isn't on cars and business as great as our side is no reserve no reserve they would yeah which i'm we've always been a believer in i've sold both of my cars no reserve you sold all of your cars with no reserve and they always get more excitement people are afraid to do it and I understand why, but this, it worked out for the seller of the Z4M, I'll tell you that. His reserve was substantially lower than what it's old for and, you know, then it went to a good home. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's the drawback of buying on the site. The benefit of buying on the site is you get to see a zillion pictures, have the car better by the comments, have a car

fact. Absolutely. Oh, trust me. I understand. The green viper had an inspection. Trust me. I know there are benefits to using our product. However, yeah, in this case, I was like, man, it really, if you're, the thing, the great thing, about the sites to me, the auction sites, is that like if you just want something fun for the summer, there's an incredible, if you're specifically looking for an individual car, you have to look everywhere. Like if you really want to, you've got to be on the forums, you've got to be on auditor trader, you've got to be on the auction sites, you've got to be at all the places. It's a lot of work. And it's a little, it's harder. There's no question. Because we just listed

that, that three spoke RT10 that you just showed, but it was green, oh, you know, et cetera. Like, there's going to be some thing. And so to find like the exact car, that's, not a guarantee anywhere, let alone on the sites, but anywhere else. And then when one does come up on one of the sites like ours, then you've got to go, heart. Yes, exactly. And Brinkman was, whatever his name was. It's better if you have no specific car you're looking for, but you're just like,

I'm interested in these five. And if one of them comes up, that's what, like, the right way to play it. Which is, of course, exactly what I'm not going to do. What you're not going to do. Because you were. You were like, oh, maybe this, maybe that. But as it turns out, pretty much all the cars I like, they never come up. Like a manual Aston Vantage roadster,

incredibly rare a car, as it turns out. This was full leather and a roadster. This was full leather, period, is an incredibly rare option. It makes a tremendous difference. Kenon, you're going to own the car for nine months. I know, but it makes such a difference to the usability. My friend Jeff will agree with me. Emily won't have her baby before you want to sell the car.

I'm getting a viper. So we're on Team Viper. I'm on Team Viper hardcore. I think it's going to be, it's going to give you the most different experience. It's the most iconic car, and it's affordable to buy and own because you make your sending back when you sell it. They're not depreciating. And to running costs or jrater.

To be clear, I want to get to Boxer Spider, but I think you're right about owning a variety of sports cars and having a more nuanced opinion based on having used it and owned with it. I lived with it for a while. Considered a spider R.S. You know what you should get? Right. A viper. Just like him. You'd be a viper boys.

No, it's too badly made. Get a C-7. That's what you really want. Yeah, no. I mean, there has no airbags. Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't buy an RG10. What about a GTS?

97 like I had the blue white you drove that car I liked that car I enjoyed it at the time it's a irony of this I don't I want another one now I hated it though for more about like others it it wasn't because of how it was it was like because I had to deal with it and there was a lot remember the time that the battery died on the ramp for my parking garage and it was blocking the whole ramp and there were like 20 so bad it's so bad I love the winter driving video that car. It's one of my favorite videos you've ever done. I took that out. Felipe was a letter-belting that. I took that out with a buddy in the winter in Philly. Okay.

That's your talk cars. And I'm so pumped for you to get a viper and I can't wait for it to happen. Right. You told me I have to do it before you get back from your East Coast vacation. I'm going to be gone for three months and I need you to have a viper when I come home so that we can rip on here. Yep. And I've got to make sure I shift high enough so it doesn't go into fourth. It has a skip shift. All right. To next on our talking cars segment, Felipe, what do you have? All right. Car's and beds. launched four years, like two weeks ago.

Four years. On June 8th, 2020. Four years ago. The first car, your E663 wagon, sold on June 15th. Yeah. Of 2020. I want to ask, what are your guys' favorite memories from those first four years? Crazy to think that it was four years.

Kenan was the first employee, technically, of cars and bids. Yep. Now, the first official employee. I moved from Ohio. move from Ohio. There was so many memories to go back because it was a crazy period of time for so many reasons. One, I left my job in Ohio working at Exotic Card dealership to come out here and do this, which I had voiced to you a year before that I wanted to live in San Diego and work for an auction company,

and he was already thinking about it. And like, the whole story is more complicated than that. But Kenan put the idea in my mind. Maybe it was all Kennan. No, it was Melissa, actually, your best friend. No. She was present for it anyway. Yeah.

But I had shipped my car, all of my clothes. My start date, I think, is March 16th, November reserves, 2020. And as I was getting ready to move out here, the whole world went nuts. And we had COVID to contend with. And we had to delay and delay. But when we started working remotely and then eventually I bought another car to drive out here, it was so much around those. By the way, where were you in March of 2020? Where were you when we launched this thing?

I had offered my help and I started writing. listings we were waiting for yeah i started writing listings right after you launch and now you're the acting see you i remember the first listing from right team i remember the first listing i wrote well i it was an alpha 164 that we did not run we wrote a few we wrote a few listings we didn't run in the early days because the cars were too rough yep there were some tough times but yeah so you you started all the year almost you started you know we launched the thing in june but you started in march to help us launch. Yep. And so many stories about that too. So that was right at COVID. So we pushed the launch. We pushed the launch for a number of reasons. Yeah, but it ended up working in our favor because then

our wonderful development team got more time to really stress test the website and break it more and make a better product at the end of the day. And thank goodness they did because when we launched it, when your video went live and we were all sitting on your porch socially distanced because none of us wanted to get COVID. It was nuts. that first week was, I mean, it was just every day was, you know, I think I started my day at like six, which for me is very early and I'd work till like 11 p.m. every day or 1 a.m. and I'd do it again for weeks. The start of a startup kind of usually goes one of two ways. Either nothing happens or that happens. And you hope for that to happen. But the result of that is that it was,

I mean, I've told many people I'll never start another business as long as I live. And it was that, It wasn't just that week, but it was the first six months that really make me feel that way. Yep. I was stressed. Everybody was stressed, but you and Blake, the co-founder, were obviously the most stressed as you had real skin in the game. But we all worked really hard, and then the next,

but that first week was just getting through cars that were submitted to us because we were running a promotion at the time, and we got a lot of cars submitted. And it was, I was manually running auto checks and then updating a spreadsheet, which became... I forgot about that. And I had, I would do it. that until we had them all in so you could look at them the next thing to decide if we wanted to have the car on the site and we had what 700 submitted in the first week or something

which is what we want we ran a promo that first week do you remember this we ran a promo where we offered a thousand dollars to the first 50 people to sell a car with us or auction a car with us and five hundred dollars to the second 50 people and um it was a brilliant it was a great decision it cost 75 000 dollars and changed our lives forever yeah and It did. Then that, there we go. It did. But I remember we swam in the pool that Friday after like the first week of like Cassson was like,

I was crazy. And you were just like internally losing it. You were freaking out. Yeah, it was wild. But then the next week cars actually started to sell. And your car was the first one that sold. That's right. That was the thing I remember most is when we got to the first bidding war,

which I don't think was for my car. It was for my buddy Perry's car, which came, was the second car to sell. Yes. And we were sitting there and like bids were coming in in real time. time. And that was like a... We were like, oh, my God.

We would just stop to watch the first... Because it was three cars went live on the first day. It was this, Perry's 996, and then also a six-wheeled defender. Yeah. And, yeah, just watching the bids come in and then seeing it, we were all just like, when it would sell, we'd all just like collectively like scream like, yes, it works! And we were just like... But then, you know, time went on and like we eventually cars started bringing like real money.

I was right about an E39 M5. set a reserve of 20 and you're like you're insane and never sell for that wow boy did it yeah that e3 9-9m5 was a big one that that that was an early one that was like a really really important one where we had kind of gotten taken a big number on a pretty nice car and i didn't know if it was going to make it and then there was like a big bidding war that got it there and that was that was a really big deal god speed too i i still remember one of one of my favorite memories it was that one yeah oh yeah one of them sell again yeah we sold i think maybe three times one of my favorite memories i still i still remember uh i

filmed a video with the Alpha Romeo RZ. I remember it. And it was at this incredible location that a guy had that he had kept his car collection. And I remember each day I would check the site every five minutes to see where bidding was and what was saying. I was so scared. I'm not as obsessive about it anymore. But, and I remember we had an SL-65 that day.

And that, at the time, was like a huge car for us. And I remember it didn't sell. and I remember thinking to myself, are we ever going to be able to sell? It was like a 38 reserve. And I remember, are we ever going to be able to sell cars for 38 grand? Yeah.

I remember those days too. I remember, you know, again, everybody knows I love very nice cars, and I was just dreaming of the days when we would get them, because we ran a lot of stuff

that we probably wouldn't accept today because we just needed cars on the site for a lot of it. I mean, still some really cool stuff, but, you know, just to have a Ferrari on the site,

it was a dream. And now we've kind of become the place to sell V. 12 Lamborghinis, which is insane. There's a lot of cool stuff now. I mean, if you go to the main page now, if you just scroll through, I mean, the feature especially, yeah, if you scroll through, but the feature especially, like, I would have never thought in those, in the first 18 months that we would ever have any cars like

these ever to come out. And it's been a slow burn. Like, we're getting there and getting there and getting there and proving ourselves and proving ourselves. But like, we've kind of, we've kind of done that. Yep. And some of these cars are all, and even that. I mean, that's insane.

bug like to get weird stuff like that like it's so cool to be able to see this variety by an r34 vs i mean that it's a serious group of cars even and even just the regular going through there's just like there's so much stuff are not even we don't even feed like it's it's tycon turn car it's so cool and uh i can't believe what it's turned into i thought very honestly i thought that it would fail the first week or two yep very honestly you told everybody not to like i had told everybody i had very low expectations i really thought it was going to fail you know before we launched, obviously bring a trailers out there and they're killing it. And other people had tried and failed miserably. And since we've launched, many other people have tried and all of them

have failed miserably. And it's hard. And so I thought we would fail. But we didn't. There are kind of three takeaways I had from it. Like one is that I actually really loved those first early weeks because I was working so hard all the time. And it was like a real input into a company and then you came on and then we were right and it was like and everybody was just doing it because we had to you just you just had to make it work and i loved that feeling and and our co-founder blake said to me like enjoy these moments because it's what you guys are experiencing is so rare yeah that a startup works yeah you know it's going to work yeah and i also just fervently believed it's going to happen the other thing was that was by the i that was tougher on me i know it was tougher on you i i i just

believed because i was going to do everything i could possibly and he also once very complicated said to me, I don't fail at things. Well, I mean, that was kind of my ethos. And, you know, because the YouTube channel, you know, this has happened for me twice. The YouTube channel was the same kind of thing for me, right? Like, I launched the YouTube channel, and that took off and became the biggest.

And we get two billion views now and five million subscribers like, and then doing this, okay, it happened again, a second successful time. That's one of the reasons I don't want to try it third time. I probably won't work. You can only catch lightning in that bottle many times. That's right. Yeah. And so it's hard to imagine.

But that was a tough period. And whenever I think about starting another business, that's what I think about. Yeah. That like six months were, and it was just hard. And I would get a call every day that was either amazing news or terrible news. Yeah. And I just, I'm not in a life position now that was very different from where you were then, and where you are now, but mostly where you were then as a 25 year.

Like, this is fun. Now I'm like, I'm no interest in any of this crap anymore. It was the right time of my life. I'm glad to be in the company now where we are now because now we're a more mature company and this is where I feel like I belong. But starting again, would anything? It's scrappy. Yeah. It's just too hard. But yeah, the other things where it's like I really enjoyed that. It's been very rewarding to work with so many talented, really smart people behind the scenes at Carson Bits. Like they're just such a great group of people to work. And also like, I also take away your capacity for work blew me away. Because not only

were you doing all of this and doing intake and like all this stuff, but also making videos. And then like, we'd be working, like, I gotta make a video, and he would walk to the garage, like, over the door, and he'd start making a Sunday video. People don't realize. And you know, it's funny because I've told all of my, people don't realize some of the difficulties of trying to manage both of the businesses. For a long time, I was doing that. Now we've got some more people in place who are professionals who are working more on this, and the content, frankly. But people don't realize, like, this is when I tell my friends, because I've told all my friends on YouTube, you need to start something other than YouTube. eventually YouTube will slow down as it has for all of us and they're like how could I do that because it's so much hard work people don't realize how hard work like you can't start another business on the side it's just not a thing and but we did and and it worked and um people also don't realize how hard it

is I think to run a two-second marketplace I know um well if I had known that it's the real thing might not have done sold two t-shirts at a time right that's exactly I mean these other guys my other YouTube friends are selling merch and... No, I meant literally a combination of two T-shirts to match your style. That would have been the Doug Brand. Two quick shout-outs

before I think we'd probably have to move on. One is to Blake, the other co-founder. Good work, Blake. And the second is, if you go back to that E-663, correct me if I'm wrong, but our very own Nick, our editor, Nick. No, you know who shot those photos is Robert Grubbs,

the single most gifted car photographer in the entire world. I apologize for being mistaken. Shout out to Robert Grubbs, who takes photos. now press photos for automakers. Nick and his wife shot a different carterers? They shot the IKEA Stinger.

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Felipe's got a great one. Yeah. I have a question for you, Kenan. And actually, everybody. Why don't we all own a second-gen or a Ranger Sport? Totally. And not an early trash Rangeover Sport.

No, no, second-gen. The one that just went out of production. All right. We sold a second-gen turbo today for no money. 18. Pull that off. To be fair, it has a gazillion mile. How many?

A lot of them have high miles. They were driven. But okay, we sold the hybrid recently. 9-2A. Nice. I don't think if you first down to it, you'll get anything. But if you do 2011 plus, because they came on 21. Sure.

You'll find the second gen. They are cheap. Yeah. For like a car that looks modern, because frankly, it didn't change until this year. No, it still looks. And like, they're known for being reliable. It does. And it's just such a bargain.

We sold the hybrid recently for, who knows? We sell diesel all the time for like the high team's low 20. Okay, but I think your other point is actually more interesting because I hadn't considered it, which is the range of sports. We just sold this range sport the other day because I hadn't been paying attention to this. Okay, I'm not talking about that body, the L320, which is cheap and also old, but go down. This one got bid to 13. Whoa. So if you click on, if you put 2013 as the model, as a true, 2014 is the base model year and then sort by cheapest.

It is shocking what they're going for, and I kind of agree that we should be getting it. 12 650s. Now, to be fair, the photos of that one made it look like a disco sport, which is a mistake. But they're just 20 grand. I mean, these are, these are, and that's a supercharged. The last one that sold for 21, only a couple months ago. There's a redesign now, but up until last year they were the same. Like, you look like you're driving a brand new range.

Yeah, you do. And you get the luxury, you get that seating position. Yeah. For 20 grand. They're unreliable. Yeah. Which is where the Kyan's come in. The Kyan's are not unreliable.

We get those Kyan submitted to us with big miles. all the time like why don't we they must be alive i bought that wagon three or two no i got to sell it and buy a cayenne dude i want a i want a nine two make who was here last week because kennin was on vacation with emily has a cayenne yeah and like he's got it's got a nine two a gtts yes it's a rare time that nick was right and bought the right car i don't know he bought a mercy at the right time too i think but yeah but your point stands like yeah they can put a lot of miles on them and they are 16 grand for i know that's a v6 one but still maybe i should there aren't that many 2016 cars that have a 16 grand.

I know. And this luxurious and relatively reliable. On this point, we're talking about 15,000 for either of these. Maybe the ranges are a little higher. Type in, go into the search bar and type in RSX. Are you aware of this? I see your note in our plan here. We sold an 03 RSX for 15250.

You know what I call that? Cayenne Turbo money. Yeah. And by the way, not 03 Cayenne Turbo money. No, no. That money, that guys you like a 13. Cayenne Turbo. That's wild. That's nuts. Now this was an exceptional RSX but I have to say I would have been surprised at our ed. Go back to the

general page for RSX. Because it's that blue one. There's some but just in general they sell for 12, 1310 they floored like there's a lot of interest in RSXs. The type s were cool but it's still a front wheel drive 20 year old. And only two hundred hoard it's like a civic yeah it doesn't have an enormous amount of power but there's a lot of interest in these cars still. It's also a car that's out of production that a lot of people kind of forgotten about. Meanwhile for the same money this one went for 22 for the same money, 24d over there, for the same money, you can go pick up a Kyan turbo with a 500

horse, twin turbo V8, a Burmester sound system, and carbon ceramic brakes. And an actually nice and chair. It's an outrageous statement. I was reading this thing, and I was like, I can't believe this is. And that RSX that we sold for 15 was not an outlier. This one sold for 18. That's what they cost, a lower Lerl-tably low miles. That's what a nice type-ass cost.

But also, how do you justify, let's say that a tree landed on my E-Class wagon, I would go buy a Kyan. Kyan turbo. No, I'd go buy base Kaya because it's too Boucher. Maybe. What was I about to say?

But how do you justify buying a new Kiont? Yeah, they lose value quick. I mean, you justify buying a new one because it has all the latest stuff and you get rid of it after a few years and get another new one. Like, man, that's a deal.

Not everybody is as interested in like depreciations. No, I know. That's just a wild depreciation and a wild deal. I was talking to Tinnik, because my wagon had like an 80K sticker, which is insane. for his kaii image, which is the same year, had like a 98 sticker or something of that.

And they're both worth 18 grand. Yeah. No, it's I totally agree. It is crazy. Luxury card appreciation, always crazy. Luxury car appreciation always crazy. The thing about that makes the Kyan especially interesting, two things. Number one, Porsche sports cars do not depreciate like that.

A 2013-9-11 turbo is still like a hundred. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas the Kyan turbo is 14. And the other thing that makes it appealing is they're pretty reliable. Based on what you hear. And also, it's worth pointing out, the cayenne turbo had, the cayenne has Tiptronic, does not have PDK. So I think PDK is a very reliable transmission, but there are people who are anxious about an early stage dual clutch.

However, they seem to get good miles. Like, they don't seem to be problematic, but people are worried. The Cayenne Turbos doesn't have that problem. Tipronic by then, which was called Tipronic S, had been really well developed. And they do not fail. So you have a power train that seems to work and a transit seems to work. And other than that, get a couple warning lights. hell. We don't care. Are all their

power trains relatively reliable? The V6 is not unreliable. Yeah, apparently they all seem to be reliable. There was a diesel, there was the hybrid, which is pretty good. Yeah. The hybrid was also supposed to be reliable and also cheap. Yeah. And I love hybrids. This one I don't like as much. The point to GTS when they went to a V6. They eventually switched back

to a VA. That's a six-year-old car. 33. Yeah. But look that's a 20 grand, 2013, GTS. These are Barcats. These are Parkins. I want one. Totally agree. I want to give you, before we move on to questions, which are great this week, I want to give you one more crazy thing, which is type in Elon up there. Yeah. You're going to love this one.

And I saw the sale. Lotus Elon's from the 90s are front wheel drive cars. Have you seen the other sales? It wasn't. No, it wasn't all right. They cost 13 grand. Now, their front wheel drive and then after Lotus was done with it, Kia made a version. And also, they use the same steering wheel from the Saturn SL.

But other than those things, if you brought this to cars and coffee, people would be like, what is. this car and you spent 13. And they will think that it was the Saturn SC convertible. Yeah, probably. It's also front wheel drive and it can't be that good to drive. But like, I still want to review one of these. This is a kind of a cool car. And for 13, it's like kind of interesting. I've always thought they're cool. It looks like a toy. There's somebody at my high school that had one. Really? You're kidding. Yeah. And we used to see it parked around town everywhere. It was yellow. This is where he had the box of detailing supplies to use to clean it right before he, to clean it. It is exactly right.

Didn't put it on the carpet. Didn't think to do that. Like me? It's exactly like you. But yeah, I just wonder if, I mean, I'm, they don't seem like they can be that complicated of cars. I wonder how unreliable there. But it's a lotus, lots of trouble usually serious. No, it's probably bad.

I don't know. I'm just saying for 13, like, it's a pretty exotic car. It's a pretty exotic. It's a pretty exotic. It's a pretty exotic. It's so wengey. Look at it. And plus, when do you see, you have seen one?

And also, go back to the main page of the sales. No, I've never seen one. That's true. that one has range rover wheels so take that those wheels are from a so big on that from a p38

so what's up they're probably what 17 inch wheels and they look huge I think these things are cool it really fit with I love it in yellow it worked the Kielan it worked better as a key

this is a nice one yeah this one was a one you've never driven one right no I would always wanted to they are front wheel drive but they look exotic I agree okay I want to take questions because we have questions, questions, questions, questions, questions.

Yep. And this week's questions, because we've pre-recorded this podcast, have come to us from last week. But if you want to ask us questions in the future, we are going to take them in real time going forward. Go to Cars and Bids.com, click on communities. There will be a post, and you ask the questions in the post, and we will answer the most upvoted ones. No matter how lewd. No, that's not true. But generally, I've been putting on all of the questions.

I have no shame. First question from Lexus Luthor, what not so great cars have benefited the most. by being featured in a TV show or movie. You know what the answer is? 91 Ford Explorer and 98 Mercedes M Class in the Jurassic Park movies. Average trash cars, but they looked so cool on screen. Can I give you what didn't? What?

All right. You haven't seen the Barbie movie yet despite it coming out. No, but I'm going to hear in the next year. There are so many GM product placement. A Chevy Blazer, the new EV, featured prominently. Of course, the movie came out a year before the car was a little of the same. they didn't think that at the time. You know what the answer to this question is is the DeLorean.

Yeah. The DeLorean would be an automotive footnote forgotten by everybody because it was unreliable, underpowered, and the brand dead brand. They'd be like the Brickland, honestly, is kind of, I think, what it would be. Yeah, yeah, that's right, which no one thinks about her talks about, but there was a movie. I have two other ones. Supera. Mark 4, Super.

Oh, great one. I wouldn't say that that was not so great car. I mean, nobody bought it new, so. Oh, no. They didn't, they only sold 36, 250 GTOs. So the transporter movies, the first transporter, he drives in a seven series, second I think of A8, right? Yeah. The other eight 38, it made that helped.

That's a good one. Yeah. Great movie car, like, great car movies. Yeah. I don't know how much those cars been. Well, I think actually the James Bond point, I think Aston Martin General is a brand. The Audi S8 and Ronet. Oh, yeah, that's a great one.

If Aston Martin didn't have James Bond, when would it have gone out of production? Right. That should be the question. Because in the books, he drove a Bentley. And so, but they switched it to Aston Martin And in the later movies he drives a bunch of four cause infusions. And he drove a Toyota 2000 GT in the very first one, I believe.

Not the first one, but... I think it was the first James Bond. Wasn't Dr. No the first one? Anyway, the point is there wasn't O2GT. They did stray from Aston a little bit, but that is the answer. Good cars. Dude, this question, the subtext of this question is

when would Aston Martin have gone out of production if it wasn't for James Bond? This one's a little bit more stretched, but I actually also feel that the Ferrari 308 being in Magnum Pia was a huge deal for Ferrari. Everybody still remembers that car from that show. And the Testerosa that was then in Magna Piae. Because actually, you know, the Testerosa was the flagship car of the time.

And they sold tons of them. In Miami. And they were white too. They were using those haunches to do some stuff. But nonetheless, the lewd questions. But kind of we'll just go there on a thing. Nonetheless, I think those cars were also important for Ferrari's image,

really important because that was the time when they switched to mass production for cars around then. So I think that was also important. But the Aston Martin is, I think, Astoran James Bond. That's the best answer. Although Delorian, I don't disagree with. I'm surprised how many we were able to think of quickly. But that's the best answer.

Delorian and Aston are definitely the two. Yeah. Okay. Next question from DRT Hokie. Can you list the top five most competitive auctions to date? So the auctions with the most bids placed during the last minute of the auction extended the clock. I asked fully put a pull this up to the data.

I looked a little bit differently for a bunch of... All right. What do you got? What do you got? I looked at what auctions have the longest overtime. longest overtime. And also what auctions had the most bids in the final hour. Okay.

All right. What's the longest overtime? I'll tell you the time you tell me the car. I have 51 minutes. Oh my God. I will also say that auction in the last hour had 108 minutes. That is somebody who went up at minimum increments. There was an SL and there was a range row.

I don't remember. What is it? It is a Kuntash LP 400 S. No, what? Oh, the white Kuntash. I'm sure there's a space. Yeah. That one.

Yeah. Had so much overtime. Yeah. Wow. This one had 51 minutes over time. I remember before this car sold that it was sitting at a much lower number. It went at one hour before the auction ended. It was at 277,000. Oh, man. Oh, my God.

It was $400,000 up in the last hour. Yeah. Well, with 108 bids. A hundred eight bids. Man, look at this bidding, though. 470, what went up by the minimum increment. then slapped five grand on it, went up by the internet,

slap another five, yeah, that's great. That is how you do it, and that guy knows especially. Okay, that's interesting. Next highest overtime. There was actually,

the next two cars are both Lane Cruiser VX Limited. One had 35 minutes over time, one had 31. You're kidding. These must be reset because they're 100 series. From July of last year

and from February of last year. Yeah. How weird? I did, you have to go back, fairways. July of 23. Last year.

Here. No, that's... Yeah, yeah, yeah, that one. This one? Why? No idea. Wait, this is based on amount of overtime. Yeah.

Bids kept on coming, small $200 bids. These people $250 bid themselves up for 35 minutes. They just gone up by two grand. They could have saved themselves 30 minutes and still paid the save. If memory serves, they also kept waiting until they're there yet. Oh, man. But I'll give you guys one other fun facts. That one's great.

here's here's the card with the second most bids in the final average that's tied this is a tie a spiker c8 had 75 bids in the last hour wow went from 245 000 to 3703000 was it yeah this one i remember that car that was a really tied with that is a 2002 bmw 330 c i coop that had 75 bids and the 75 bids brought the car from 5,733 to 14,700 which literally was spiker and then people bidding the absolute minimum on an E-46 convertible. That told us, I kind of remember the car that our minimum bid increments were way too low. Because that average bid was $120. The fact that we were letting that happen early on.

So what's the, what's the minimum increment now? It's like 250 until 25 and then it's 500. Wow. So Spike. Pull up that E-46. It's a 325. I don't know. I don't go back and find it. It's still $100 up till $15,000.

You can find it. E-46, 325 C. There's not going to be that many. They're 3.30, yeah. No, you've got to type in the whole thing because there's... Yeah. There's probably not... Oh, there's 602.

You said it's a convertible. I don't have the date for those ones. I mean, I can find it, but... That's hilarious. People going up by $100 a piece. I mean, imagine who has the time? And then to be like, I want it. Well, did you?

Are there any winners? I really wanted it, though. I want to know what car had the most change in that time. Oh, in the last hour. One car went up. 229,000. And it wasn't the Cuntosh. That went up by 203,000. That LP, that Mercy, that Orange Mercy? No, what was it? That Orange Mercy went up by $200,001. Oh. The 1996 Toyota Mega Cruiser. At 59

59 bits in the final hour, went from 81K to 310. I still remember every minute of watching that auction. Yep, I saw this car recently in person. So one of the all-time grades. Yep. Okay, next question, next question from Ind Can. Hey guys, in your opinion, what led to the downfall of Mitsubishi in the North American market to end up where they are now? How did they go from producing cars like the Evo, the Galant VR4, the 3000 GT, etc? to their current lineup. Well, there's an easy answer.

Nobody bought those cars. I don't think that's true. In that era, when I was a kid, Mitsubishi came out of the car called the Montero sport. I remember it not fondly. That was unbelievably popular. They were everywhere. Can we talk? Would I hear a second? The Montero. Legitimately a pretty car.

Okay. The Montaro Sport was a hideous. It was fine. It was just a A car. It was a car. It was a car. It looks so bad. You know, I think... I love the Montero itself, but the Montero sport was just rough.

I think about this question... No, that's the one that silver seats. It was this one. Yeah. So how do you think that's an unattractive car? It's just... It's just... I'll just look like...

That was the 90s. With like a little bit of age and like they all were kind of beat... It was bad. I think... The answer to this question, I think about it sometimes. is that they just didn't quite put the investment in for the next few generations of cars. And in the car world, if you don't do that, you quickly fall behind. The car world is very, very, very, very competitive.

And, you know, they didn't make a great transition to crossovers. They had these body-on-frame SUVs, including that Montero Sport. Do you remember the Mitsubishi endeavor? Yeah, there was the endeavor. They tried. That was like an attempt at that. And, like, pretty quickly they fell behind. They didn't really put a lot of investment into the U.S. market. And Mitsubishi is still fairly popular in other markets overseas.

They're popular in South Asia. They're popular in Australia. In those markets, they'd be stunned to hear that Mitsubishi in the U.S. is not popular. But they didn't invest. North America was always sort of a, you know, not sure kind of thing. You know, they didn't sell cars in Canada until the 90s. It wasn't even a thing. Wow.

I didn't know that. It was just like, it's, you know. They just stopped being competitive. Like other brands advanced. They slowed down. And they probably put money to the wrong places, the eclipse and cars like that, as the market was kind of going away. Well, they made it a wrong-wheel drive for something.

Yeah. I do agree, though. They had a blueprint for some pretty amazing cars. They were building great stuff, and then they just kind of lost their way. Yeah, I mean, I think there were some transitions that happened in the 2000s, and I think they weren't really well placed for them, and I think that they made some bad decisions then that put them behind, and they just keep falling behind now.

Now they have a terrible reputation. And then I think they also had, like, a dealer. By that point, they had, like, a dealer issue where there weren't that many Mitsubishi dealers. The ones that exist weren't great. Yeah. There was a Mitsubishi dealer in L.A. that had a banner out in front of their shop for like years where Mitsubishi was misspelled. I would drive by it on the five.

God, he's joking. It may still be there. Last time I drove by, it was probably two years ago, and it was still there. I took a picture at some point. How do you misspell it? It's like Mitsubishi. It's like M-I-S-H-I or something. It's something like that.

Mitsubishi. Or Mitsui-B-B-S-E-S-H-I. That's what it was. M-I-T-S-U-I-S-H-I. Sounds like a way a grandfather would misspment. You got the new Mitsubishi? Can I point out this person does not live in the U.S. Oh, wow.

You know why? Because they said RVR. Yeah. Well, we know my neighbor has an outline or sport. Every time I see it, I think. RVR. Okay, I do. Okay, next question from Shotgun Sam 9-11.

If you could combine a classic car with a modern drive train, what combination would make you say, take my money? Good question. I know the answer already, but you can think about it. I need a second. C2. Yeah. What drive train?

C8, C7, I don't care. L.S. 3 even just... Yeah. C2 Corbett. One of the most beautiful car. I mean, the answer, he's going to eventually say 300 SL. He's going to think about it for a while. That was the first car that came to mine. But the answer is C2 Corvette.

He, the seller said a Superbird with the Hellcat Drive Train. That would be pretty... Pretty cool. Effing cool. Yeah. Love a Superbird. That would be probably my number. two or an old charger but i think c2 what is yours doesn't exist there's not a single old car that

makes him excited are there a number because i'm trying to think of a an old cool car that had a terrible engine f 355 take that back the engine is one of the key parts of the back that's what they say when the when the timing belt snaps they say take it take it back around i don't Or if you just do your services on that car. I don't know. I was thinking, for some reason, like, Citrin SM with a cool power train would be nice and make it, like, reliable. Actually, an EV swap in a Citrin SM would be very cool.

It kind of fits with the persona of that car. Really does, and that would be such a cool car. An Audi quadro that was actually fast would be cool. We had a really, there's a company that does... A Lincoln Continental suicide door car. Yeah. With, like, a good V8. Or even the Eco Boost v6, that would be cool.

Yeah, that would be cool. There is a company that takes old, like, truly modern Mustang running gear and very nice modern interior, but they have the body of the old car, which I think is great in general, like a fastback. What about a Rolls Silver Cloud with a W12, Bentley W12? That would be pretty sick. Yeah, that would be really cool. Or honestly, EV swap also. I've long considered that of some old Rollsports than EVs because EVs just fits.

Bentley W12. Bentley W12 on the finest power. train's ever made. Finest gasoline engine of all time? Yeah, I don't know. Any of those sound awesome to me. There's more than I realized when I put the question in. I keep going.

Yeah, there are plenty of them. You don't have a single one. Got nothing for him. You don't like any old cars. There's no old car that I'm like lusting after, just, but I choose not to do. What about an original mini? With a civic SI power train. I think that's some.

Oh man, that would be a firecracker. I think that's some of the fun of the old cars that I like are very, character full some of the character full cars part of the joy is how bad the engine is yeah I think that there's something to that okay but I disagree with your but I actually don't don't disagree with

like a 97 superbird with the Hellcat that's cool what you guys have said would all be cool but I don't care about those cards very much they're not a car I want someone did a grand wagon air helcat swab oh that's right the red one I don't need a Hellcat in there though a 57 V8 would be able to do it enough man Hellcat would be

flex on him a 3-6 pentoster would be enough there are no it wouldn't there are two more questions I want to do are a little running over more important questions two more one is from uGA guys zero zero number one what cars do you think have an undeserved bad reputation and why spent a lot of time thinking about this never came up with one yep i've got got four gttt what's a bad reputation because the under liability yeah is the jama clixon thing okay this is not a good answer but just before this we were talking about the krester 200s that has a bad reputation.

Not a bad car. 295 horsepower of V6? I know, that's why I ran it. We ran the Chrysler 200S, like early in the days of cars and bids. Someone submitted a V6 Chrysler 200S. And back then, Chrysler only had one V6. They put it in everything and it had to be powerful enough for the biggest cars and the smallest. Well, this was the smallest car that got it.

I thought it looks great. It made no sense for having it was way overpowered. And so I, like, that's a cool car. I want to run it on cars and bids. So I ran it and people lost it. Why are you listed a Chrysler 200? That probably set us back. It was a rough day.

This car probably set us back like six months. But it looks great. It's fairly confident I protested this one. It was in process. You did it. 300 horsepower and all-wheel drive. You know what that is? An EV.

That's an EVO. 300 horsepower drive. That's an STI. You know what? This isn't either of those cars. Basically it is. It basically is. You get this out on some dirt and let me tell you something.

Come here, Evo. Mazda Speed 6 wasn't even close to some power And by the way, Evo wasn't either. 270, this is at $2.95. Vroom, vroom. I'm glad you put in that much passion into your argument. I'm glad you put in that much passion of your argument considering it didn't sell for $8,200.

It was a waste of time. What a bargain. Let's find another one and get it on the site. Tremendous waste of time with a huge mistake. This is a 300 most of these. This car's probably doing zero to 60 and five something. Unfortunately, they're all broken down in different ways. Yeah, exactly.

I regret running the 200 S, but only because the people were not ready for it. People were not ready for it. And I also think you kind of had to be paying attention a little bit. You kind of had to be paying attention a little bit to understand that this really wasn't over. There was way more power than ever went into any other mid-sized sedan. And it made no sense at the time. And it was quickly canceled. Yeah.

I thought it was cool. 200S? They should have called it the M-200 because that's what it was. Another car I can think of that belongs on that list. Done with this. Another car I can see it on that list. Although I don't necessarily want to own a BMW, U-65. 760. No. Those cars, so the E-65 has the reputation for being unbelievably unreliable,

but it really more applies to the V8, not to the V12. The reputation is just that it's bad, because the tech is terrible and it's heinous-looking. Yeah, but it's, I don't think it's as bad. Nothing redeeming, except for the fact that you can buy them for three grand. Okay, we have one more question. We're going to sneak in here on time. The question is this from KJ. Pantano. Doug, what is your preferred choice of cold one for knocking out an easy weekend task with some friends. I actually don't drink alcohol of any kind. And so when I say that I'm going to knock out the job over the weekend with a cold one with Kennan, first off, I don't, I'm not going to be doing that job. Okay. He's afraid of really work on the cars much. He's afraid of manual labor.

Kenan and I did do some Career GT body work. We were not drinking. No, the cold one he's referring to is this water bottle. I will have a beer because I do. Can I make a request if we go back in time and you just Amsterdam water and leave the people wondering whether you're just like are worried to say anything alcohol related on camera. No, no. We're going to tell the people the truth, which is that I only drink water. I don't drink coffee. I don't drink tea.

Any soda, any alcohol, just water. And so that aspect of the assertion that we're going to knock it out on the weekend with some cold ones is as is as big of a lie as the fact that we will actually knock it out on the weekend with some cold ones. I actually would. Every part of that is a lot. Every part of it is a lie. the water will be cold

the water will be cold and we'll look at it and go boy that'd be cool if we could swap a manual in there but we wouldn't do it then we go get some cookies or something we get cookies okay that's our podcast for today it was the best one we ever recorded best one ever Kenna doesn't agree

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