THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - New Corvette Teased, Maserati Gets Weird, and Chinese Self-Driving Cars Hit the U.S.

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

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and welcome to this car pod. I'm Filippo. I'm Nick, filling in for Kennan. Kenan is away. Kenan's in Europe right now, gallivanting through the old country, and so instead we have Nick wearing an E-39M-5 shirt. Is that a memorial for Kenan?

Yeah, so though his E-39 did fall through, so I think he's in an X-3 in Europe. So look for a very particular handsome fellow driving an X-3. It might be him. Are you going to act like Nick today? Are you going to act like Kenan today? What is the plan? I have no ability to act like others.

By the way, if you want to buy that t-shirt, merge.orgia.com. You have no ability to act like others, and certainly nobody has the ability to act like Canada. All right, let's start with our first news story, which is Corvette News. Corvette is coming out. Chevy's coming out with this ZR1X.

Here's how this went. They came out with the Corvette. Then they came out, that was 20, by the way. That's six years ago. Wow. It's five and a half years. It came out right at COVID. I remember the first one we auctioned.

Like, truly I remember distinctly. So that was five and a half years ago. C8's been out. It's crazy to imagine. Then they came out with X-O-6. Then they came out with E-ray, which was basically a Z-O-6 with a hybrid electric in the front. Then they came out with XR-1, then they came out X X, which was basically a zero-one with the hybrid-electric in the front. Now a Chevy engineer has been quoted as saying that the ZR-1-X isn't the end of the story.

It is merely the next chapter. Everybody on the Internet is interpreting this to mean that there will be a more powerful version. I don't necessarily think that. I think that more likely they're going to be a facelift or something like that. I don't think they're going to be able to beat the horsepower number of the ZR1X, which is, I've forgotten it, but it's 1,250. They will need to refresh the car more extensively than they have. I think we also can guess that they will continue to make mid-engine corvettes.

So now that the story doesn't mean this generation CA Corvette. We're getting rich. I assume they're thinking about C-9. Corvette, and so maybe that's what they made. Like, it's become time. I think, no, I think it was actually, the comment was specific, specific to the C8. Interesting. Maybe not, though.

The interview in Top Gear, he said it is not the end of the story, just a new, the next chapter. So, yeah, maybe it's referring to C9. C5 was from memory 98 to 05 to 7 years. C6 was 06 to 2013, seven years. C7. was 14 to 19 shorter run. But we're getting at the point where the C8 needs to be reimagined for the C9. They just did their mid-cycle refresh.

I assume in the next year or two will start seeing leaks of the next generation Corvette. I can't imagine they're going to just... I'm going to fill in for Canon here on the pedantry. Those first two generations were actually eight years. Because 9805, if you really add up the numbers. Anyway, nicely done. Unlike the Corvettes that you just... mentioned, the demand and the excitement around C8 has been so strong that I wouldn't be surprised

if this generation lasts a little longer. Keep in mind, although you trimmed a C5, C6, and C7, you conveniently left out C4, which lasted from 83 to 96, right? So at the end, which was 14 years, even in Kenanville. And so it's a possibility that this generation, in my opinion, it probably will last a little longer because there's been so much interest in the car and they're still selling well. So, you know, who knows what's still coming, but maybe a manual. I just, I can't see how you keep taking the power further or keep doing a meaningful iteration here other than like special additions and stickers and like appearance packages and stuff, which they are good at. And you have to look at the Dodge playbook and say, all right, well, we'll have the last call, the just kidding edition, the jailbreak edition. I mean, they just got like insane, but it worked every time even if you were playing your customers to be suckers, which.

which a lot of them ended up being. I don't think that's exactly what happened there. Those cars were all really cool, legit. We'll ignore the Durango S or T lawsuit. I mean, and Porsche does this too, right? You have the ST, you've got, they're good at coming up with special edition. So maybe it's just a marketing play.

Filippo, Filippo, pull up that endurance racing edition. Pull up that endurance racing edition. We had this on the site the other day. It didn't sell. Nick's going to tell you why it didn't sell here in a second. Or the C-8R, we were in initially. It was just like neon green. This was a 9-11.

What do you think of this, Nick? Nick, why do you think this car failed to meet reserve? I think it was too subtle of an appearance package for most buyers. Do you know what it included? It included legitimately exterior graphics and some like packages as standard. But they only made 73 for the U.S. market. Can I tell you something? Can I tell you something?

In 25 years, that car is worth double a regular 911. I'm not joking. That's how Porsche people are. Oh, my God. I got an endurance racing edition. That's how Porsche people are. Look at that. If it doubles every seven years, it'll keep up with the S&P 500 index fund and still be a bad investment.

Right. Anyway, ZR1, X, I'm excited to see what might lurk in the Corvette realm. I will say the C8 has been immensely successful, immensely popular. The platform has spawned some truly amazing cars. This really has been the resurgence of the Corvette that we haven't seen since the C2. In our generation, this is like a really, really big thing. And I am curious to see how they continue to iterate, considering, They've already done all-wheel drive.

They've done a 1,200 horsepower. Like, what else do you do? It's hard to come up with new ADIS at that stage. Got to keep doubling, 2,400 horsepower. Let's go there. Maybe they'll do a six-wheel one. If you're listening, shooting brake concept, please, please, give me like a hot hatch. The arrow wagon, if you'll.

That would be sick. This is some Whistling Diesel stuff. You know what on there? That's true. We need a Starado edition. That is what they need to do next. That is a good idea. That would be cool.

That would be cool. I'd buy it. It's so cool that I guarantee Chevy won't. do it. They won't even make a Bronco competitor. The Bronco's out here selling, the Broncos out here selling 200,000 units a year. Chevy's like, man, we're going to stick with the tracks. Okay, give us our next new story.

Trash car. Ah, yes. Nick, did you see this? Just now for the first time. How can you see it through the camo? It's a BMW M2 with camo. But this is actually kind of cool. They're going to make a performance track package for the M2,

which I think is kind of a neat idea. It's going to have like a wing and I bring this up because we're selling cars. We're selling enthusiasts cars. This is the one. Don't you think? Like this is it. Like you get this thing with a manual transmission and it's going to be rare and there's probably, they haven't announced much about it, but it's rare. There's going to be, you know, a big wing. Obviously they've put the fenders under camo so they're going to be flared. Like this is the one. This is going to be cool. And I'm sure people hate it when it comes out, which makes it even more desirable. But isn't that what the M4 CSL was or is still is? Like, is this just a CSL M2?

I don't think it's going to go as far as that. I think it's just like a track package, like maybe a couple extra horsepower, wing, fenders, seats. Like the CSL had some like significant weight lightning and it did. And it was considerably more expensive as a result of that. All those cars are. But this is the purists one. This is like if you just want a regular M2, but you want a little more go fast goodies. Nick, you want to talk about beating the S&P, buy one of these. and then also put a lot of money in the S&P, and the money in the S&P will do better. I think I'd rather just mod a normal M2 and out-of-wing and wheels and carbon fenders. That's not going to gain value.

They'll do it better. No, actually, I do think if you're going to take your M-2 to a track or any BNW, this is probably the one to get. The price will determine whether this is a flop or a smash excess. Also, the M-2 is a great car. They have not announced pricing it. Yeah, the M-2 is a great car, and I think with widened fenders, it would be even greater.

I think with the big wing, I don't know, but it'll be fine. We're not wing men, but. No, Nick is. Are you kidding? That's so true. Pallipo and I are going to rocket bunny and M2 in our garage smoking some cigarettes.

Polipo, when I met Nick, he had a TTRS with a wing, no joke, the size of a picnic table. They come with wings. He had taken it from a GT3RS and he had welded it on top of the existing wing. Yep, down force. With a double wing like a nine.

these escort Cosworth. The understeer is notoriously fixed by giant wings in the back. Famously. I correct. We could buy a stall wheel drive, okay? Oh, baloney. Understood. Okay.

All right, give us our next news story, please. This one's my very favorite news story in the year. It's the most important by far. I want to be very clear about this. I want to be very, very clear about this. Maserati, and my apologies to the folks at Maserati, who I'm sure we've greatly offended over the years. Maserati's name has come out with the MC20. Now, in my mind, this is still a new car, but it came out in 20.

And I haven't seen one. I have seen one. It was crashed during a test drive and at the local, like, high-end body shop. The only time I've ever seen it. Have you seen a Mc20? Outside of a dealership? Probably not. It would be rare.

Like, maybe at Cars and Coffee. So... Maybe. Anyway, they've decided, they've announced that because the MC20 is now five years old somehow, they're going to rename it. They're going to facelift it and rename it the McPura. Oh. The McPura.

Oh. Why? It's a McDonald's promo time, I think. It's like, they need the money, so I'll accept that. What's the most wild about it is there's no bump in horsepower. There's no change to the engine. There's no change to the drive train. The visual changes are almost impossible to identify, even if you had them parked next to each other.

So all they did was roll out this name, which is pretty weak to say the least. Okay. I want to be clear. The actual name is MC Pura or Pura. We will not refer to it as that. We were going to only call it the McPura, or maybe the McPura, depending on your interpretation. Right. For the rest of our podcast's history.

Can I ask you? I know that Maserati has an MC line on some cars. Your Quadri Porte may have been an MC line card. Correct, yes. I don't, I can't think of any other tie to MC. They have, like, why get rid of the number? The number was the only thing that connected it to any heritage, fundamentally. They don't have another line of cars called the McGeebley and the Met Quadra Porte.

They have done, like, an MC sport version of a lot of their cars. And I think that the real MC tie-end was intended to be the MC-12, which came out in 2012. Yeah, they're only good car. 12-cylinder. That's what it was. That's what it was. Yeah. That's what it was.

Yeah. That's 12-cy-old. Yeah. In 2004. Yeah. Close. But now, M-20 seems old. It was in the past, like COVID-19.

Like, Nick had COVID the other week. He was at a Trump, he went to a Trump rally. He had a COVID the other week. And they're calling it COVID-25 now. I mean, you know, why didn't they just update it to the MC-25? It would have made more sense than McPura. COVID-Pura. Do you think they're preparing for their, like, high-performance SUV?

They can just call it the McPura Sangue. They're just, like, really connect it to their real important brands. I think Pura is supposed to be like it's like a pure car, simplified, like more track-oriented, but like it's just so similar to what they had. I think they're wasting a good rebrand. Like, I assume that if they were going to rebrand, they're going to do it for the

Grand Tremesmo and said, oops, since no one can tell this in the previous gen apart, well, at least give it a distinct name. But to do this and then not actually refresh the car, like, what's the point of drawing attention to the car to say, oh, the car hasn't changed, but we all want you to pay attention to it again.

The marketing department wanted to keep their jobs. And so they had to they're all going to lose their jobs. But they need to create a need for that designer for that week. I got a question for you. There's a new letter. What do you think the base, what do you need the base sticker on this is?

288. Yeah, and that's a guess. Thereabouts. A little less, 250. Would you rather have this or a 360 challenge stradale? There would be so many cars you would have to exhaust. I will say, I love the McPura. Like, I think it's a great looking car, truly.

I think that's a looking car. Who doesn't love a nice V-6? Yeah, who does a love a nice V6. Yeah, that's what we say. If you've got to say, I want to spend it on a new car, like you've got to look at an Aston, aroma, whatever they're calling it now. I'm going to be honest, these aren't trading at 250.

Yeah. Even at 200, it's a pretty tough sell. So good luck to you, Mazarily. I mean, what's a Grand Tourism? 170? Some of that? Still thereabouts. I think a Grand Tourism is even more.

Yeah, starts at 175 base. I would. I would pay up for the McPura over the grants worth all day every day. I mean, that's obvious. I mean, the Grand Tourismo is the most overpriced car in the history currently on sale. I mean, there's no doubt. That's a 175 car that is, that's a $48,000 car masquerading as a 175 car. I'm not, I think that's just like accurate.

And honestly, I think that the prices that they're actually transacting at, I'd be curious if they're even cracking 150 on any of these deals. Yeah. I just, unless you're saying there's only a Maserati dealership and no other cars for sale and 100 miles. The only time you'd be cross-shopping the two vehicles is if, like, hey, I have a friends and family discount or my boyfriend is a sales manager at the dealership kind of thing. Yeah, that's exactly right.

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There's a new CX-5. Oh, my God. I saw this new story, and I specifically didn't talk about it because it's 64. What do you got? We got to, there's a new CX-5. It's like four inches longer than the old CX-5. Same power train. They claim they've recalibrated it.

Same power train. Notably, for all the Maza enthusiasts out there, there's now a touch screen in the center, which is the first time Maza has done that. They've been very focused on their little knob and not doing a touch screen, like having the touchscreen really recessed. Now it's like a normal instrument. tier, like normal modern interior, you might be wondering, but Felipe, there's a CX-50, which was already the slightly longer version of the CX-5.

That still exists. Mazda believes that the CX-50 is for rugged and enthusiasts outdoorsy people, and the CX-5 is for urban people who drive over bricks, as shown in this photo. The irony of that is, and we're not going to get into what urban people means, but go to CX-F2. That is, I think, language from their own PR department. Pull up a picture of the CX-50. Pull the picture of the CX-50.

Now you'd think to yourself, okay, the CX50s for the rugged folk. All right, well, let's see, let's take a look at it. Look at that. That's rugged. Look at how rugged. That looks different. That's a car. Different car.

Now pull up the new CX5, pull up the new CX5, right? Nick, I'm going to do a quiz on this later. See if you can tell the part. All right. New CX5. They look about as different as a McPura and a MC20. Look at that. The grill is different.

The grill is distinct. I got to ask you, why does what, I mean, they're pitching one is rugged. Yeah, there's cladding. This reminds me, Doug, of like Mercury Mountaineer versus the Ford Explorer or the Mazda tribute. Like, it's just, it's bad engineering, but they're keeping the same badge on. You know, it's incredible. It's not even the same chassis.

The CX50 is based on the CX30 chassis, and the CX5 is based on a different one. Like, truly, they don't actually share it that much in common. Or at least the old CXI didn't. The Mountaineer was like the luxury one. Like, I don't think there's any distinctions. Now, I will say, with regards to the touchscreen, I do want to make a little statement, a little point here. Many years ago, I reviewed some Mazda, God knows which, and I complained dearly about the knob control. I thought it was the stupidest thing I'd ever seen, and I lambasted

it. And Mazda got mad at me, and they called me up, and they said, look, we're going to, we, we, you have to meet with our engineers and our designers. So I had a lunch in San Diego. They came to San Diego, like six of these people. This was like, these are guys who are all getting paid a lot of money per, to, to take the full day to come down to San Diego is probably thousands of dollars for Mazda. Right. I'll come down. And they give me this explanation. They go through this whole thing.

Here's why we do the little button. Here's why we do the knob. It's less time looking away. The knob is safer. The knob is better. When you're controlling your favorites, it's a better situation. It's better. We've done all the studies.

We've done all the research. We've done these eye tests where we look at the people's eyes when they're driving with the knob versus the touchscreen. And the eye test is better. The knob is better. I'm seriously, I sat with them for six years, six years. And then now they're doing the touchscreen. So anyway. I will say, one.

In fact, but the C65, there is a CX50 hybrid that's built on a Toyota assembly line or built alongside Toyota and uses a Toyota hybrid system. The CX5 in 2027, there'll be a hybrid one that uses an entirely different hybrid power train. But that's not for two years. There's probably a joke somewhere in here about getting rid of the knob and making it four inches longer. But we're moving on from that. Yeah, yeah, no, we wouldn't make that.

Yes. You wouldn't. In honor of the McCura, we won't make that joke. All right. Move on the next one. What do you got? Okay. This is a Waymo.

It's the new generation of Waymo vehicles. They've been spotted in testing still. And it looks so cool. It's based on a Zika van, which is a Chinese EV manufacturer. And it looks legitimately quite cool. Also, the first, like, Chinese brand that I can think of really breaking into the U.S. market, even though it's via fleet sales. Have you mentally accepted that you won't see Jaguar eye paces around? I still see them quite a bit.

Well, you see them as Waymos. Everybody in San Francisco and now in like parts of LA and San Diego sees the only Jaguaripace I see are Waymo. At that rally I was at, the Doug mentioned, we flipped a few over, I think. It does. It looks cool. I'm into it. And I think from a visual standpoint, yes, it's an improvement. I personally would never trust a Waymo.

Really? Have you read in one? No, I would never get in one. It's great. It's taking jobs away from hardworking Americans, one. And two, you're trusting some tech company that like, prides themselves on failing fast and hard to drive a vehicle.

Like I had no way, shape, or form, I would rather walk. I would have requested you to be a little bit more pro Tesla than that because they're also doing some autonomous driving stuff. But Waymo is the most... You're not going to get an autonomous car. That's the stance you're going to take. Waymo is the most serious one. It could be a free taxi and I'll be like, no, thank you.

I'm good. I would not trust you. You should ride in one. Okay, I've ridden in the back of an eyepace. Not the most comfortable vehicle. But Waymo did great. And I'm excited for this because this is like an actual human design space. I will say the front seat swivel in the Zeker, whatever this is called.

And I do wonder how they'll have it configure, like whether you can just sit in the front. But it will be way better use of space as an autonomous car. And you should try one. It's better than you expect. The lack of seat swiveling isn't really my concern. It's the safety here. And I have to think replacing Jaguar with an off-brand Chinese car is not an on-brand Chinese. car for the record. Also, it's Jaguar. So like,

it's all better. Jaguar had the E-type. What did Zeker have? This. Jaguar's off-brand too. Jaguar had the E-type guy. Give you a break. Okay, let me ask you this, Nick. What would it take to get you into an autonomous car? 20 to 30 years of R&D. They've had a, you should legitimately try one. I'm going to call away now. I am both ethically and morally. I'm going to call away now.

I am both ethically and morally opposed to it. Wait, those are the same thing. Do you agree that if the horse was being replaced right now, Nick would be like, I'm not giving up old bluey. Yeah, dude, and I would have a sick stallion too. You'd be like, yeah, that's a nice horse. Like, I get it. You know what you ask if he was coming to this podcast as Kennan?

Yeah, turns out. No, Kenan would never go down any of this road, although he would not also ride an autonomous bike. Yeah. Okay, this is a boring story. I will say one interesting thing. Did you read the article about the Volkswagen bus in the journal? Yeah, that was a great one.

I've not yet. All right, Journal did a big piece. I don't know why this is a new story, greatest news story I ever read. Wall Street Journal did a big piece on the Volkswagen Bus and how it's been a complete and utter flop. Yeah, it has. I think part of it is, I've seen a few. I think it's a coolest car on sale.

Like, I think it's the coolest car on sale. And I can't wait to buy it when they're used and what they're actually worth, which is probably like 40. I think there was a bad product planning decision to only bring the long wheelbase. I think that decision was made in the U.S. with Volkswagen of America, and it was the wrong decision because it ended up forcing the larger one, which is more costly and also looks a little weirder, honestly. And I don't necessarily think that minivan buyers are the buyers for the car. I think it's like people who want to look cool, and you look incredibly cool driving that thing around. Nick, are you thinking about an ID buzz for your family?

I, you know, that's why I like that article. I would absolutely love to put my family in it. I live in Encinitas, which is like a nice coastal surf town where there's still, like, there's like weekly meets for air-cooled buses. Like it is, we are the target demo. And yeah, it's just for 70 for an EV, I'm just like not into it. And now the tax credits are going away. And so buy it before September.

I'm not buying it. This is your shot. But to Doug's point, if it were affordable or even mid-range, I would be so into it. then at 70, you're just kind of like, eh, it's not that cool. A couple of appealing electric cars have come out. I'm not an EV guy. I went on a big rant last podcast about how I really strongly believe the government should continue to EV subsidies to make EVs better and to make us competitive against China. And I really do believe that.

I'm not personally known, but a couple of appealing EVs have come out in the last couple of years, obviously Rivian. But the electric G-Wagon and now the ID buzz are both out. And I really like, like beyond, forget. about the power train like i think they're both just great cars regardless gas electric they're just great yeah and neither of them are selling they are absolute duds and i'm like here for this used situation i know it will be quite appeal apparently it's incredibly hard to sell the g580 with each new technology electric g wagons you should go on auto trader or whatever website you use to look up cars uh electric g wagons are going cheap cheap cheap cheap already they're already like 30 back msrps

for like 800 miles on them yeah and because comes appealing at a certain price. I want to get back to the story, though, because there's two things I want talking about regarding the Zeker. First, like I said before, first like real Chinese insurance in the U.S. There are a couple of Chinese built cars, the S90L Volvo, for example, but there's like the first, like, really truly Chinese brand in the U.S., even though it's not being sold to consumers. The other thing is eyepaces are expensive, and you got to assume they're expensive to maintain. And these, if you convert their Chinese, their cost in China to the U.S. is like 40 grand per van. you assume Waymo got a deal.

It's all new technologies. Like they've updated their sensors, packaging, et cetera. It becomes really interesting to see if they can get, they bring price per unit down massively. That changes their business. Why don't they get tariffs? They may. I don't know.

It's a very good question. I mean, like, does fleet sales give you a loophole? Are they still paying 50%? I assume that they are in due tariffs. Huh. Hey, Filippo, I got a question for you. Also, registration must be hard. Here on Nantucket, they have electric buses that are tiny.

So what's that about? Hope they don't need to buy a new one. I do wonder how regulation works around this, right? This isn't U.S. Street legal. But there's so many exceptions made for, like, autonomous driving permits that presumably... It's at a small scale now, so they can afford to overpay a little bit. But I'm excited to see them here soon. I won't be buying the Zeker or the ID Buzz, but I am in the market for a nice Fisker Ocean, if anyone's got a line.

I got 14 grand. in my pocket. You can buy one tomorrow. I think you'll need about nine. You can buy two. Give us our next new story. All right. Portia.

You're familiar with Portia. You own a Porsche. I do. You guys are the two people here that own one. They've announced another set of price increases. They announced 2026 9-11 prices back in the spring, and they went up pretty dramatically. They've now announced that pretty much across the lineup, there's a two to four percent price increase. It goes into the next month or two.

Porsche was very careful not to say. say that they're tariff-driven, but they are pretty clearly tariff-driven because those are applying to these cars when imported to the U.S. They just kind of got to recoup some of that cost. They're not passing across the full tariff amount, clearly, but they are trying to raise prices a little bit. That means that the cheapest 9-11 is over 130 grand,

but these also apply to non-9-11. How much is it? What is the cheapest 9-11 then? 130, something? Like, 130 and some sense. Jeez. Sorry, I don't remember any much. more. But as someone who works on sales, my initial thought is they're raising a two to four percent

because they can. It could be tariffs. It could be anything. But people will pay. There's a wait list. They're selling. Until they stop selling, keep raising your price. What's especially annoying to me about this whole situation is that eventually the tariffs will come off, whether it's with Trump or deep in the future or post-Trump. But regardless, the automakers aren't going to pull the prices back. Right. Like the increase in price that they're doing now, they're going to keep. Like once they realize the consumers accept the new price, they're going to do it. And if Porsche raises the $9-11 to $135,000, then such-and-such raises the such-and-such, and then the next thing you know, amiatta costs another $3,000, right?

I think you're describing inflation. Yeah. Yeah, but inflation that has been supercharged by the policies of the federal government. I will also know, Porsche is struggling a fair amount with sales in Q2 and in 2025 as a whole, because the Chinese market is weak right now. And they're incredibly reliant on the U.S. for a lot of their sales. And raising prices 2 to 4% is notable for them because it does also impact the McCann, which went up 2.6%.

The Panama, which went up 3.6%. And the Kain, which went up 3.6%. That puts them in a tough position. So people are self-driving Zikers over in China and not 9-11s? The high-end market in China has remained quite active compared to like five years ago, but it has struggled a bit in last year. Interesting, though, Porsche Porsche prices increase. Everybody's increasing prices.

And this is what we all said would happen when they announced tariffs. And everybody's like, they're not going to increase prices. The country importing will pay the tariff, whatever the thing was. It's so stupid. It's obviously going to be passed on to the consumers. And here we are passing on to the consumer. And it's beneficial for Cars and Bids.com, but very non-beneficial for you. And it's very annoying.

I think. To add a little bit in months, there are some manufacturers that have kept really attractive incentives live because they've seen a surge in sales and they're willing to eat into their margin for some amount of time to do that. Also, inflation, part of the June inflation numbers,

was relatively low because spend on cars went down a little bit. It's like an interesting situation. A lot of purchasing was moved up. I think the real impact of the tariffs will be felt in Q3 with some of that fervor and the man that was pulled up. You've got to figure out what to do now. It depends how long it lasts. It'll be felt in Q3 maybe,

but it'll certainly be felt in Q4 and then all the next year. Q3 of 7. I mean, it could get ugly, but I guess we'll find out. I will say. By the way, you know, Nick, Oh, he's done. He bought a massage share last I heard. And I just read it a bathroom.

I think we're stimulating over here. The, we're growing by four inches and replacing the knob over here for the economy. One other piece of Portia News. I believe they just announced that they've built a million McCombes. All right, guys, real talk. Brunt Workwear is back as a sponsor. And while I've not always been a boots guy, I have to say that these boots blew me away.

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That's what this is? For people listening, yes, Rangerover debuted a new emblem, and it's two R's basically if you just sort of did a mirror image of one on top of the other. This is a secondary logo. So they will keep the Rangerover script, but their point is you can't always fit 10 characters across. On the hood, you obviously can. But there are certain points where they need a smaller logo to imprint places.

And Rolls-R already has the double R where they're kind of on top of each other. And so I think some, you know, Ph.D-level nuclear scientist was tasked to come up with another way to put two R's together and came up with this. It's kind of bizarre. You can't unfocus your eyes. It just looks like a box and then a bigger box than another box. Like you can't even see the R's unless you, like, want him, you know? It's sort of like P-P-P-P. It looks luxurious-ish.

Yeah, it looks like a Louis Vuitton or Gucci type print that they would repeat. Certainly, right? It would always be mounted on fluidily rod-iron. Or those little doilies that go underneath your tea. Right. So, Nick, you're, we both rangeover men. You and I have both that rangeovers, full-sized range-rovers. What are our thoughts on this?

What do you think about the logo? I think if you're getting like a manny petty, it would go nice on one of your nails. Oh. Like a latte art. Like they're appealing to the Porsche Pilates mom demographic here with this and saying, it's like fashion. Yeah. Yeah.

You think people will buy these and then throw them on old P38's like yours? Yeah, I could see like the headliner mod or like seats, you know, like people get it embossed. Did the P38 still have the Land Rover logo? Yes. Okay. But now new ones don't, right? I don't know if the new ones do. But mine did, and it was in 06.

It was way after the P38. Remember, they used to put the Land Rover logo in the grill. The grill had these little... Yeah. That was even on the L-405s. They liked that Land Rover logo. It's green. It's not high quality.

Eventually became black. A lot of these stories today were kind of like manufactured jumping the sharks with renaming things like the McPura or coming out with like these pedantic special editions, like 01XX or what have you. The CX5 being indistinguishable from the CX50. So, I mean, it's sort of on. brand, sadly, these automakers are all like, what can we do that's really cheap to invigorate

the product I know, a new name, a new logo? Like, that's basically free. So it seems up that alley. I don't think it's free. I bet they spent millions and millions of dollars on this. We know how old Jack Gors taking the year off. All right, we got another new story. We have one more. One more. There's a drift movie coming out. It looks really cool. Drifter, Seng Kong, announced it on his Instagram, but you've got James Pumfrey from Donut. You've got Rutledge Wood. you've got all these Adam LZ, another YouTuber. Wait a second. Wait a second.

This is a real movie, to be very clear. This is like happening. Stop the presses. Okay. James Pumphrey, Adam LZ and Rutledge. Why aren't I involved in these things? Filippo. This is like when we found that Thomas and James are doing top gear.

Why don't I get a phone call? What would you, what would your response be to that phone call? I would say if you could. do it in San Diego during the during my working hours which are 10 to 1045 Monday through Monday I would be willing yeah I'd be willing to have the conversation okay I'm not saying I'm doing it sang sang is not only an actor but he's the producer of the movie as well he was in several the Fast and the Furious movies so you need to slide into his DMs presumably to get cast but he'd probably into it I would love to see them bring Jesse back from Fast and the Furious One, ideally in a Mark 4 Jetta, but I'm open

to that. Does he do any drifting in that movie? No, but I mean, he could do some front wheel drive drifts. No, he escapes, right? That's right. It's the last we see of him. He's like afraid of the S-2000 guys and he drives off into the desert and then we never see him again. But in all seriousness, most car movies suck because they end up trying to be Michael Bay action films. I love that he's like, we're going to get real car people into this movie. We're going to make it like Fasten the Furious One was. it's about car culture and not about action and love and all these other, like, irrelevant things. How does this flick come out? Nick doesn't want to say love.

She's giving it on any of that crap. When does this flick come out, Nick? I don't know. It was announced this week, though. Eminent. Oh, so it's like, it's like, it's like in plan. We're not talking about like this in theaters tomorrow. No, no, no, no, no.

The movie will be in theaters before the McPura is seen by the naked eye on the street without dealer tags. Without dealer tags. It's exciting to see more, like, movie content though. We've got to move on to our next story, our next segment, which is the talk car segment. The talk car segment this week is brought to you by Kennan.

Canon is touring Europe. How nice. He's sponsored the talk cars segment. That's great. Cannon, he's in Paris right now. I want to start the talk car segment with something near and dear to my heart. Nick,

I think you're well aware of what's going on here. I had a moment the other day. I had a moment. And I, I crossed a threshold. Filippa, will you pull up the photograph, please? There we go. Oh, that's not the one, the next one.

Yeah. I hit 100,000 miles there in my Mercedes-Benz G-500 cabriolet. And then go back to my last year. There it is. I hit 100,000 miles. I was off-road. This was my chance. By the way, I did not set it up this way,

although I mostly drive it off-road, so I guess that makes sense. But I had 100,000 miles. And I've only been in the car twice when that's happened. And what was the other time? I had a range rover that hit 100,000 miles. Wow. The CarMax one? Yeah, and I don't remember when that was or where.

Anyway, this is a big moment, you know. I bought this car with 78,000 miles on it. I look at it. I look at the car, right? I physically lay eyes on the car. And I think to myself, I can't believe I drove this car 22,000 miles. Like, if you came to me with an open checkbook and said, name your price, but you have to drive this car 22,000 miles.

I would say there is no amount of money you can give me. That would make me want to spend 22,000 miles in this shortened G-wagon. And yet here we are. How many years ago did you buy it? It was 2018? No, it was the fall of 19. I had just come back from a trip around the world. I literally went around the world.

And when I got home, I got a dog and a convertible G-wagon. Oh, they go hand in hand. I remember when you bought it and you mentioned the salmon. you're like, yeah, I think I'm going to go buy this. And you showed me a picture of it. And I thought, oh, that's a pretty cool way to spend 35 grand. And then you told me what it was actually going to cost. And I'm just like, this is the most insane.

Like, my brain couldn't process it. And I just moved on. I was like, okay. Like, I don't know. When I bought the car, I didn't know Nick all that well. And I was like only the third or fourth time I met Nick. I, like, showed up in it. And I was like, I just bought this.

And he was like, what? Why? It's an exceptionally good automobile. Yeah, it's been great. It's been great. And it's my family car out of here. We've been using it every day. The whole family rides in it, including the dog.

It's been sand toys and everything. Nick and Filippo, can you share for me, please, a special moment that you've had with the G500 cabriola? Yeah, let me think about that. Let's come back to this next week. I'll think. I will say it. You've never had any special moments with it. Nobody has.

It is special, though, to take a car over 100,000 miles. Like, that, to me, is like a meaningful thing. In the Cayenne, I captured that. I also think just keeping a car with 100,000 miles on the road, it makes me feel so, like, proud of myself. And, like, it's like a mouse. Like, everyone who's in the cars, even if you're, like, a new car guy, like Sam used to be,

you got to, like, take it past into the six digits, at least once to understand what that takes and what that feels like. Yeah, it's pretty deep. It's like getting up there. I'm like realizing like, damn, this is some real miles on this thing. The guy you sold me my career GT sold it to me at 9982 because he was terrified that if he went over 10,000 miles, the value would be just. And I was like, this is so stupid. This guy's an idiot.

And that's, you know, here we are, 100K, dude. Well, yeah, on a Gwagon, 100K is not actually that much to write home about. But a car of that value and the fact that you're off-roading it is actually pretty cool. I think a lot of people now are buying these to flex at Air One or to like... Are they? Right. Are they successful? The only other person I know that has one is one of the Jenners.

Right. There are people who... They've become a little popular with the wrong crowd, but I drive mine off road. In fact, in that photo, you can see the ABS light is on, and that's because the diffs are locked. And when you like the diffs, it disables ABS and turns on the ABS light. And that's how legit I am. I want you just throw there. I know where this is.

You just like, you nailed the 100,000 mile barely on the... off-road, like barely off-road. This is deep, deep, deep. How many times have you got stuck this summer? Frequently, it's not the best. I think I need new tires. I've never gotten it stuck to the point where I needed help, but I've gotten it stuck many times, including yesterday,

to the point where it wouldn't go any further. I had to go forward, and then backward and forward and backward, and finally I got it out. But I think it's a, I don't know if it's a tire thing or what's going on. Does it make you wish you had a Mibok with the recovery mode? Yes. You know what the thing is? though when you have the Sequoia, you don't have to worry about getting stuck.

Like, there's no time where I ever am to worry because I can just, like, go to the Sequoia, and it does everything. That TRD Pro Sequoia could run over Felipe and not even blink. Certainly, that's the biggest concern with these large SUVs, yeah. They actually do. Yeah. Okay, Felipe, give us your talk car segment, please. All right. I have reached out to a dealer about a car they're selling for myself.

Criptic. That's it. You're not going to talk about the... Okay, folks, here's the deal. It's an ACERA I-LX automatic hybrid. Acura is pronounced. Acura, I'm so sorry. Kura, ILX, automatic hybrid.

He found a rare cloth seat and no summer. What a dream. Filippo, tell us the story. What happened? There's a dealership near here that is selling a very high mile 991.1.1 to cabriolet with a man. And it's an incredibly light spec. Truly, probably one of the most weekly specced ones I've seen and one of the highest mile ones I've seen. And the combination of those items mean that it's like, they're asking 40 grand.

Yeah. It's 12. Oh, yeah. It's a first year, highest mile one I've seen, lowest spec I've seen. And therefore, it's the cheapest. Perfect. And I'm considering playing a hoovy and buying the cheapest X in America. That always works out.

Yeah, it works for him always. It has like 120 something thousand miles. It's interesting. It's a cheap way to get into a 991. And that's kind of appealing. So we'll see. I have not committed to going to see it. I have not committed to anything because that's too much commitment at my current stage.

How close is it close? Nick, what are the odds? Nick, what are the odds? What, how much do you, what percent do you give it? So here's the thing. We used to get Filippa a hard time for not taking action. and then he impulse bought that GTI. So now that...

Well, no, wait. I want to be clear. We gave him a hard time for not taking action on really cool stuff that he always used to talk about. And then he impulse bought a practical, affordable hat-back.

Which I love. It's such a good car. Like, it's so Felipe. Like, reach for the stars, and if you miss, you may end up somewhere in your backyard. Like, that's kind of... Okay.

It's such a good car. My wife had said that she loves the GTI. I drove it to L.A. yesterday. To L.A. and back yesterday. And it was wonderful. I got third. 37 and a half months per gallon on that trip. It was, it did everything perfectly, does everything perfectly.

I do like it a lot. But I could trade it in for, or sell it and buy a 991. And if I sell that and, uh, Barth, I'm like 30 of the 40 grand there. Flipo, Nick, I give it 2%. Oh, oh. I don't give it more than 2%. Because he has to sell two cars to get there, that will take too long and the car will be gone. He hasn't even moved on selling the Abarth yet, and it's not even using it.

It's just a travel. First of all, I am using it. Our friends, when their cars break down, as Kennan has and as our producer, Sean has now, borrow it. So that's a purpose for it. They then make fun of me for how not great it is. But they do like it briefly, and they borrow it. And I've been told that I can't sell it until August. Why?

I'm going to make a video about it, and it can't go out until August. So it will be on Cars and Beds in August. I still have that car. I bet you you still have that car. summer. No, not a shot. We'll drive it off a cliff first. This episode is brought to you by Ava. Cars and good credit score go hand in hand. Having good credit can be the difference between being able to afford the car your enthusiast her desires or not, which is where Ava comes in, helping you build credit fast. Ava is a credit building app that makes it super simple to improve your credit

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I have no multiple. We've been on the multiple search for so long. All of them have been, we got one at PPI and it was so rusty. You could literally bend the frame. What happened with the green one that you just sent us a couple of days ago? It's still available, but the closer you look, the worse it gets. And I just, no, it's not nice enough. It needs to be a, it's pretty rough.

You deserve, as your friends, a nice multiple experience. You guys don't understand. Like, Felipe's over here talking, talking big. Like, dude, nobody saved these things. I know, which is a shame. You find it. He's commissioned somebody to go all around. Europe looking for them. They're looking in Spain. They're looking in Poland.

Anywhere. Like, there's no nice multiples. This wasn't a car. People were like, let's preserve this so some American can import it as a joke in three, five years. It is, I want to be clear. An audience of one. It might be a joke to Nick. It is not a joke to me. It's a car that I will buy from naked end. Uh, that's the problem. It's not a joke to you. You think you're, you have too high of expectations. If you're listening to this in, in Italy or Southern Spain or a country where you treat your cars well and maybe therefore it's in good condition, not either of those two. Let us know.

We have a buyer for you. The other problem is it has to be a 2000 to be 25 years old. And that's like I think you see you have 99, 2000. But it's every year we wait, there will be more options available. Then there were the face lift. So you don't have to wait that long. You need a pre-facelift. The facelift is horrible.

But it's more complicated in this. You need a pre-facelift. You need a decent color. Personally, you don't want to get too far into weird languages. Because then you've got to do all that. No, fine. If you're Italian, have one, hit me up.

And I went under 200,000 kilometers. Italian works as a language for the documents when they come. Polish, the car shows up, and there are L's with lines through them. I don't think that flies at the DMV. I think you got a problem, man. Right. We'll go through Montana, and they're a little more lenient, I would say. So it should be fine, but...

I will speak to our Italian friends. If there's a per case of a fia multiple, that I want to sender me a email. Man, ask me, manname you know, I'm sorry. I'm really, I'm putting, pulling out all the stops here. I'm just, I'm speaking to my countrymen in their language to try to get you in multiple. You're meeting them where they are. Okay, speaking of Italians, I want to move on to the market report, market report, market report is brought to you by the wing on the BMW M2 track edition. It's big and you can sit on it.

Let's not test that claim. No, no. Think about the downforce. 6,000 pounds, that's what they all say, of downforce. Like, that means you can, if you're way less than 6,000. pounds, you can sit on the wing. An automotive engineering expert. You could drive a Selena 7 upside down on the backside of the wing.

And you can drive a naturally aspirated Tesla there, too. This is all my engineering takes. Okay. Anyway, I want to talk about, we were talking about Italy a second ago, I want to talk about the Italians. Pull up that 599. Now, as my son would say, do it right now. Nick, you deal with that ever? There's not a lot of patience in either direction.

All right. So what did this sell for 111 or something? Yeah. So this was a 599 Gt B in Blue Turtle of the Frans. But I will say it had a rebuilt Louisiana title. Nick, you don't buy this at a hundred. Yeah, dude, but it's a hundred and a lot. I know.

I know. It's a peeler. Can it get around New Orleans for like a decade to make some video? Nick, you don't buy this car? I'm happy with my Mercia Lago. But I think that is an amazing value prop. Also, you can swap these. So if you think it's perfect other than the transmission, it's pretty straightforward, a couple cold ones.

Machina, actually, who did my Mercilago, is about to sell one of theirs on the site in near future. So a little teaser there. But it's, I actually didn't like this car when it came out because it reminded me too much at the 612 scag and the ugliness there. But I think it's aging wonderfully. I think if you put a valvetronic exhaust on it, it just like... We're getting the mods already. The sound is so ridiculously slap you in the face aggressive. It's so cool.

I'm into it. You know what I was thinking about with the manual swaps? The fact that the purest guys hate them only encourages like me. Like the other day I said they're too sketchy and I don't want any part of them. I actually I'm actually off that. Like I've heard several purest guys. We've talked about it privately and I want to call any amount on the pod. But several purist guys, you've talked to them or I've talked to them.

They've been like, those men. manual swaps or this or that. To me, that's like what a wealth advisor says, don't buy the S&P, you don't buy this. I'm like, all right, let's do it. This is a swap. No, the one guy who we won't name liken the swaps to a fake handbag you give to your wife. And it's like, no, I don't think that's at all what this is.

But regardless of whether you like the F1, which at this point drove pretty decent, my understanding, like Kenan said actually this one drove great. Yeah. It had a new clutch. But regardless of transmission option, you've got an Enzo-derived V12. It looks really cool. That value there is amazing, especially when you consider the deepest-based Porsche you can buy is now 130. So save 20 grand, which is a major on this car, service-wise, or the cost of a swap almost.

That's a great point. The price of a new 992 base, base, base, you get this a built-in major or a swap. That's incredible. You Montana this car with the salvage title and save all the taxes, and you just laugh at those Porsche people. That is, Nick expressing his personal opinion. We would never do that on cars. Yeah, we would never do that. And when it breaks down, you can just take the Zeker into the shop.

That's right. You can have a drive view. By the way, on the subject of off-color cars, cars that aren't perfect, let's say, can you tell us your experience with Ed Bowling? You went over inside Bowling. You were on an Ed Bullion show the other one. Yeah, well, I will be on the pod again next week. Is I think Kennan's still gone? Ken and well, someone's gone.

And we're going to have some videos documenting that whole thing. So I will go into it. Tell us, give us a little teaser. What happened? You went and met the snake's den and met the snake charmer himself. What happened? I am so pumped. No offense to you, Doug.

But like, Ed and Hoovey are probably my two favorite channels in terms of like what they do in terms of the cars that they buy and the adventures they go on is like, that is my dream. Audi TT fans. That makes sense. Listen, whenever I go to see Ed, I say, look, my friends are all big fans of yours. They don't care about me, but they're all big fans of yours. And I got you some sort of gift the last time I was with it. Yeah, you did. You got me a plate. Now you got the real gift of being with Ed. And that's a true gift.

He's incredibly nice, just very generous human being, so easy to talk to. He's a lot like he is in videos. Like there's no on-off switch where he's like hamming it up for camera. Like he's just a easy, outgoing conversational guy. Like we just talked cars. It felt a lot like our Wednesday night dinners where it was just like an effortless. Oh, I'm really into that.

Like we talked about the 599s like we're doing right now. We talked, it was all era like the 2000s era's Italian heavily depreciated cars, which is like I can just talk that all day every day. He gave me a ride in the bay, which was amazing. His tires are a little old and we were in a residential area. So I didn't quite feel the full 1,000 horsepower. But that was a really special bucket list. More important, I got to drive his Diablo SV for about 40 minutes.

And you'll have to wait for the video to hear my take on that. But let's just say I'm seeing Orange over here, you know? Are you going to sell the mercy and get a Diablo? It's much like you do. Whatever car you've driven most recently is the best car you've ever driven, and then the next car. So when I was driving it. I only feel that way among the three cars that I own.

You're in a different little spot here, aren't you? Are you going to sell the mercy and get a Diablo? Philippo, push him on this. If I had the capital to have both, I would have both. Oh, for Christ's sake. I do not. If I had the capital to buy 78 cars, I'd have a warehouse. The Diablo was way more usable than I thought.

And so it negated my main detractor. Anybody has ever said. Yeah. No, I assumed it was going to be too compromised and I wouldn't be able to make that my primary fun car. I could drive that any way I drove the mercy. it would be a little more uncomfortable, a little bit more raw, but not limiting. So that that opens some doors in my head.

I think that the Diablo, the Kuntash is cooler, obviously. Like, I think that's like a kind of an objective statement. The mercy is more livable. But one thing the Diablo does a good job of, it's not that far from being as cool as the Kutosh, but it's not that far from being as livable as the mercy. Like, it's actually the better, like the, if you were hoping, if you were hoping, for a car that could get closer to the coolness and the usability, it actually does that. Instead of being closer to the usability, the kuntosh and the coolness of the mercy, that's what

you wouldn't want. The Diablo actually does the opposite in a kind of an interesting way. At least that's true of kind of the later ones. I drove an SV and felt the same way. The 6-0's, that's true, too. I've never driven in 92, but maybe they're different. The early ones are, I mean, no power steering, no power brakes. It's probably closer to the Kuntash, but I do think the Diablo is the Goldie locks between

the mercy and the Diablo in terms of complex. But not to compromise, modern, but not too modern. It just nails it. If you drove one around, people would still freak out almost as much or as much as the kuntash. But it's like a, you know, it's a rational experiment. Like the windows rolled out. So are you selling the mercy and buying a diablo? Not at the moment.

So when Ed bought, we talked about this a little bit, and I think he's comfortable sharing this. But when he bought the blue Mercia Lago off cars and bids, it was a similar thing where he's like, oh, I don't actually want to buy this car, but for the right purpose. I say, I will. That's how I feel about his Diablo. Like, I don't actually want to buy it, but if it goes for, and it's going to be no reserve, so it could go for a deal. So I will bid on it. And then if I win it, I'll figure out what to do and be very poor for a couple of months until I liquidate one or the other. There's a scoop for you. It's going to be live on cars and bits soon.

Yeah. I think the, we're aiming for end of the month is what I'm told. Wow. Wow. And Nick will be bidding hard, hard and fast. And Nick, bitten some cars. But I do. Ed, thank you. I also got a fortune to go on Vinwiki, which was really fun to tell some car stories. I told the Arnaj story. So if you're not tired of hearing that story, go check it out. But that was a lot of fun too.

Did you tell the money shifting the TTRS and blowing the motor? I never money shifted it. He even Ed was like, oh, you're going to tell the story about money shifting the TTRS? I'm like, I didn't. I wasn't even shifting it. It just started sputtering and died. There's no story to tell. The time that I money shifted in Blue Motor, it wasn't.

Me, same. Same. I didn't overreve it. No, it was. It was something else happened. I really didn't. I really didn't. Something else happened.

I don't know. I don't even know. I don't even know. It was the APR tune on it, remove the knock sensors, and cause the engine to go boom, boom. And they do not like it when I say that on Facebook, but I continue to say it to them

and they continue to play dumb. Okay. We got to move on to the question segment. The question segment is brought to you by Nick's shifting from second to first. I'm accidentally. Can it be brought to you by, I don't know,

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But unfortunately, it's brought to you by the time Nick went for third and got first. And the subsequent issues that came out of that. Yeah. Came out of that with 500 wheel horsepower. Thank you very much. We just leave the block through in a bigger turbo and it was good to go. Six months later. No, it's brought to you by Cars and Bids and the Cars and Bids app, which is like

cars and bids, but an app. I use it every day. You better. I don't. I like all the cars and bidsing. Okay, the questions this week. Now remember, you can ask questions. Go to cars and bids.com, click on the questions tab or click on the community tab,

and there will be a post there requesting questions, and then you can ask. Now, I don't go to only the top questions anymore. So even if it's late in the week, throw up a question or two. I got some late in the week questions this week that are good. Okay. First question from Eric 44. Hey, Doug, what do you think is the poster? for kids growing up in this era.

If you were growing up during this time period, what would your poster car be? Filippo, other than the Accura ZDX? The ZDX, the old ZDX is up there, yeah. No, no, no. I saw one yesterday. Look great. What do you think the poster car, Nick?

What do you think that Rivalto? So actually, Ed had a really good explanation of this, which is basically we as a culture have like, everything is now photographed, there's car spotters everywhere that are Ferrari, a Lamborghini is no longer special. And so the hypercars are now the poster car. So the Konex eggs, the Bugatti's, like it's got to be a million dollar car plus to draw any attention. Otherwise, it's just a Ferrari that you see quote unquote anywhere. And I know that's very Californian of me to say. But like it's the, the bar has become so high that it's, you know, even a Rimachnavera is not

going to draw any attention. Like it's got to be... That's not a bad take, honestly. A utopia, like something like that. It's not about taking. Now, for me, it's an M3 touring, a new one, and a Volvo V60 T8 pulser. But that's me. And that's very relatable, Philippo. Thanks. No, that's a really good point from Ed and repeated from Nick. Thank you.

I think you're right. I think you're exactly right. When I think about it, Ravelto isn't really the poster car. Yeah, all the kids are obsessed with the Koenigs and the Paghanis and stuff. And us old guys don't care about that stuff. Well, you know what the next one will be, right? The McPura will obviously be. Oh, yeah. My other related theory is, so the generation older than Doug and I are super

into Ferraris and Lambos are like below their line. They don't care. Then like our Doug and I's generation is like into Lambos and Ferrari's like, it's still cool but not as cool. I think the next generation will be super into McLaren and be like, you guys were all sleeping on the 570s and the 620 LT and the 570. and the 575 and the 675 and the 720 and the 765 and the 750 and the 740 and they're going to be super into that and we're going to be like yeah we never cared about those cars we still don't care about those cars but i think the next genes especially now that mclaren f1 team is doing well are going to be like super into McLaren and think this was the golden age of McLaren and you guys were all just ignoring them and two into your Lambos. That's an interesting take could be true.

I think that generation is still in the lambos. Hurricanes? Twin turboed hurricanes still still big. Is anyone going to get a poster of the Tamario, Tamario, whatever? How you were saying? It's like kind of a forgettable looking car. It's the Lamborghini John Tamarian. Come on. All right.

Interesting points from Nick there on an interesting question. Next question from W. Storg. What are your thoughts on PPF? That's paint protection film, a little clear film over the paint. Does it add value in the secondhand market? Do you guys have it on your personal cars? I will tell you this. I wanted to get this question because I wanted to make a point.

I had a guy recently, a friend of mine tried to sell a car on the site, didn't sell, and he was upset about the number it was bid to. And I looked at the auction and it had a wrap. And one of the things I've learned in this business is PPF is beneficial, if it's clear, and if it's installed well, and if it's installed recently, it's beneficial. I don't think you get dollar for dollar back, but you get money back. Raps are different. Raps are tough. You show up at the PPF installer, right? And the PVF installers like, we can do clear and you can keep your car silver.

Or you could make your car yellow with a wrap. And a lot of people who are not very sophisticated, I think, say, oh, I want yellow. And then they try to sell the car with the yellow wrap. And you have two problems that come out of that. One is the car, the wrap color you've selected may not be a desirable color to other human beings. And I would argue that most wraps that I see are not desirable colors to other human beings. Nick, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Then you have the issue of everybody is afraid of the paint condition underneath the

rap because the presumption is one of the reasons you may have wrapped the car is that the paint is messed up. And so you bidding basically with the assumption that you may have to do paintwork. Now, we counsel people on cars and bids to take the wraps off before they sell the car. But that's costly and time consuming and not everybody wants to do it. And so a lot of times cars go up and we send them and we say, hey, it's got a wrap. and it does. It has an impact. It doesn't do as well as it should.

And then the person who's selling it is like, why did my rap do well? It's, it's Matt Black. And it's like, yeah, well, not everybody wants that on that car. I will say the person who asked said PPF specifically and not rap. I think they probably know the difference. To me, yes, if I see a car listed with PPF, I'm more interested in for two reasons. One, the paint's probably in good shape underneath because you usually only do that when the car is in good to begin with and you want to preserve it.

It truly does prevent damage. There's tons of things on that. But it's also a signal that the seller is someone to spend five to ten grand getting their car protected that has no aesthetic benefit otherwise and tells me they're the type of person who really took care of their stuff and more meticulous about keeping it up. It does feel like the real benefit of PPF as in is not in the resale value, which may be a little bit but marginal. It's really you're protecting yourself while you own the car because you're not going to get

the same stone trips. it can prevent damage if you run into something slowly. Like, there are ways that it protects your investment. And you can drive it harder. I wouldn't say tail-the-engine just pulls harder when you have PPP. I follow people a little closer, especially like Matt in the GT3RS, who slings rocks. I don't care. I even had my windshield P-PT because a Mercy windshield is allegedly a $10,000 piece of glass.

That's the question. The second part of the question is, do you have it on your own cars? My Ford GT is full P-PF, including your windshield. my career GT is full PPF including the windshield and the Kuntosh the paint work is not good so I didn't bother PPPing it because I mean either it has to be reprinted

like there are chips and it's no big deal but the windshield is PPPF and the Kuntash for the same reason you were just explaining I will say I ran my 4GT into my house a couple weeks ago this didn't make the podcast couple of those couple of times I was trying to find a nice way to say if you run into something slowly I bet your house I should have talked

about this on the pot but it wasn't a big deal I ran into my house with my 4GT and hey folks Haven't we all at one point or another crashed 4GT into a house? No, but you have crashed a G-Wagon cabriolet into my garage door. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah.

So, like, I hit stuff, you know. And anyway, I ran the 4GT into the house, and I was a little bit anxious, although not particularly. And then I looked, we took off that section of PPF, and the PPF had completely protected, even in an impact such as running into a house, it had completely protected the car. I'm dead serious. We re-P-PF the area and it's fine. Like, there's not even an indent in the body work. It's incredible. Stuff's magic.

It is. I will say I have very poorly installed PPF on the GTI. I didn't do it, just like came with some really bad at PPF. And I made a building about it. Elite finish is a detailing shop we go to and Kevin, their manager. He's like the contractors are with other pieces. Oh, all these other installs are crap and this is the way you do it. and like all the other guys said that.

He is right. My career GT was done so poorly, and I had him clean it up, and he did a, they hide all the little seams. Like, you really can't tell it's there unless you look unlike a rap where it's matte black or yellow

or whatever undesirable color it is. Starburst. All right. Next question. Next question. Next question from minivan and meada lover. Would you, Kennan and Felipe? Or at least, let's say, would you Nick and Felipe,

ever consider doing a top gear slash grand tour style video special trip across a state or country. We would love to watch the three of you drive across some beautiful parts of America and the world. We did. We did. We did this.

And people watched sort of, but not enough for us to justify doing it again. Actually, Nick and Kenner were both part of it. We drove out to the desert. I had a Cayenne Turbo for God's sake. Whatever happened at that Cayenne Turbo. He did say beautiful parts of the country and I'm not sure a dry lake bed in the middle of California qualifies. The desert is incredibly beautiful.

It makes you dream like the ocean. Look at this. Go watch our video. That's gorgeous. Listen, I'll play something, folks. If our video here gets 20 million views, we'll do another one of these. I would like to do one in Wyoming, and we all buy muscle trucks. So you can have a typhoon or cyclone.

I'll get an SRT10 RAM. Each person, you know, maybe an SVT lightning, the real ones, not the electric ones. And we can do real American trucks in real America. Look at this shot. Yeah. The cinematography was great. And all the comments were either you ripped off top gear badly or you really upped your production value and there was nothing in between. Anyway, we did do this.

I loved these videos. I thought they were funny. I actually watched them. I thought they were cute. And Nick was in them. And Nick was problematic, honest, I'll tell you. We were out there for two days. We have some stories.

My attention span doesn't fit for two days. That's a big ask for me. minutes. Yes. We've learned. This podcast is a stretch in terms of how much quality interaction you can get with me. All right. Next question.

We got two more, two more questions, two more questions, two more questions, two more questions, maybe three. From, oh, no, no, let's do this. Doug, I got a question. Do you want to split Gohazizze with me in that B5 RS4 that was just in the carousal? Have you seen this? I want it so badly. Have you seen this?

It is a true European market B5R4. No, they're legal now. They're 25 years. It's legal now, dude. B5 R's. cars are legal. People have gone through so many hoops to get these cars legal. There was a company that actually went through the process of getting them federalized. Yep. And jumping through all those governmental hoops. A few of these cars came over legally.

And now they are legal. The earliest ones are 25. And this one is here from France. And they're coming. We've auctioned a few. But they were all converted. Yeah, yeah. This one's in Jersey. So it's right, right across the pond from you, Doug. Let's do this. Look at this car. Okay. A couple of good questions. I forgot. There are some actually legit good ones.

Chesape. From Sturgberger, what vehicle modification do you generally agree with or find appealing and would recommend for most vehicles? What modification do you think people generally do that they shouldn't because of reliability, appearance, or performance reduction? This is, I'll take this for you because I think we're going to see eye to eye here. Please. Big break kit, coilovers, exhaust, downpipe or headers. We recommend race cats. not a full, you know, cat delete.

Yes, wrap, airbags. XD wheels, you think, or some something bad. Yeah, bags and coilovers, actually. Some redundancy, just in case one fails. It's really a reliability mod. BBSLMs. Oh, well, that's classy. Actually, there's a set of E88s for sale that are Mercilago fitment,

and, oh, I want them so badly. What is stopping you? Just the fact that you will be removed from our government? group. They want 10 grand and I would never hear the end of it from the group. So that's two good reasons not too. The answer to the question from a personal perspective and from a cars and bin's perspective, they align is that the mods that actually add value are the ones that improve reliability or usability. And my cars are all modified. But they're modified. Wow. Making news. What's the Mercedes, what's the Mercedes E450 mod?

You see YouTube deleted the tent Also that car has been hit multiple times And so there's a lot of body work On that car On the carfax by the way clean They told me it hit a Marmot when I bought it

But I think it hit like an elk or a moose Anyway None of this is fake Anyway So I do reliability use build my cars are all modified i got a tune on one of my cars i got i got i got forged pistons on another car i got real stuff i think there there are mods that generally help but like they're very model specific there are certain cars where specific ECU tune is accepted as

as like yep everybody does that there's a lot of cars where specific breakup days or break pads or suspension whatever is like fully accepted as long as they're from high quality reinforcements on an E-36, rod-bearing replacement, blah, blah. And those are the ones that I think are value additive. For IMS, RMS and a Porsche. Also, like, specific exhaust on specific cars where, like, it's well-reputed. It's a brand that everybody likes. It's a, the outcome is known.

Things where people can immediately know exactly what the outcome is of adding that mod generally do well. Yeah, we've talked to off-road mods often you can go where they're not helping the reliability or their performance other than an off-road capability, but like a mild lift or like a cayenne off-road build, maybe you don't get dollar-for-dollar back, but you might get more than a normal example. The biggest thing that I see people screw up

that is a plea to you all is if you have two sets of wheels, the stock wheels and an aftermarket set of wheels, and you're including both in the sale, do the pictures with the stock whales. That is what 95% of people would prefer. And then the 5% of people that like the non-ones. Maybe people want aftermarket wheels, but they probably don't want your aftermarket wheel that you selected probably doesn't look. You're trying to reach the whole point of cars a bid.

You can sell a car on Facebook marketplace locally to some guy who comes by and low balls you. The whole point of cards and bids is you're trying to broaden your audience and get more money. And you can't broaden your audience by selling a car with a bad rap or bad wheels. That's the whole point. You're missing the whole point. You get the car back. Like that 3,000 DT is a great example. That is a nice stock-looking.

99 with the big old wing. Like that car is going to bring more money because it's stock, even though there's a big tuner culture for those cars. Yep. And that's, I completely agree with that, Nick. That E46 wagon that you guys had was another example. He sure R&M'd it with the mods. He put it back to stock and got more money for it.

Yeah, it's back to stock as a E46 and three builds touring, which didn't exist. But yes. That's right. He R&M'd that car on a different, a competitor's website for a lot less money. And then he made it better by making it stock. key it and he was like, hey, but I built it out. Well, people don't want. They want it to look a certain way. And I think that's a, it's a broader swath of buyers. You're going to reach that way. Yep. After, after not money shifting my TTRS, sure, sure. I sold it and I sold off $8,000 of aftermarket

parts. I then sold the car for what I listed it as is with all the mods installed. So like it's interesting. It's also what you just described takes a lot longer and requires a lot more effort, but you can really do okay financially. If you're willing to do it, like if you're willing to pull the stuff, off and most people get to that point, they just want it gone and I get it. But I was there when Nick was selling seats to guys in Arizona and like doing the whole thing. And he made money on that stuff. Yeah, it grants a lot of money. Driving to the Arizona border was a little tedious, but otherwise it was worth an hour and a half.

Okay. Two questions, last two questions from Ultratex 66. Doug, how often do you look through your own Wikipedia page? Is it accurate? Philippo, is it? Have you been on there? I have not. What do you find out?

Oh, look, there's me. Nick Kent, Nick is me. My child saw a photo of me without a beard and now that you're a bearded guy too. And she said, oh, you're like a tall baby. And that's what I see when I see that picture. I don't look at this very often, but there's probably some misinformation.

I didn't know this. In 2024, you were named winner of Emery's 40 under 40. Congratulations. Let me thank you so much. I don't know so much. Years ago, years ago, there was a profile written of you in whatever Emory student newspaper was called. And I am quoted because I was interviewed for that article.

You know, there's like a thriving black market for Wikipedia editors. So now it's become so hard to edit pages because people think you're manipulating it for commercial purposes. Right. Basically, you find someone who's a super editor and has a long history and you pay them like a bribe and they will edit what you wanted to say for you. And it'll get accepted versus that. So if you need a guy, just let me know.

and I can get some stuff. I don't really care. Like, I don't have anything that needs to be, you know, changed. I'm looking through it. Like, it's fine. And most of it, there's so many accuracies, but, but, yeah, I mean, that's a little out of date. We've now hosted, just for everybody knows, over 29,000 cars.

Sold $650 million in vehicles, you know. Yeah, but I don't know. I don't really look at it all that much, but, but, like, what's this section about Jay Leno, you know? All right. Last question from Gold, Panana 94. I'm a sentimental guy and driving my own car on a grand tour of Europe is one of my bucket list items. Is this canon? No, it's just some guy, but it's me, honestly. I've always

want to drive one of my cars in Europe. Only Volvo and Porsche still do European delivery. Buying a new Porsche is not practical for me. I don't have any interest in Volvo. I would do BMW, but they don't do it. How hard is it in practice to ship my Biottoe to Europe, do a two-week trip and then ship it back? Okay, here's a deal. This is a thing that I spend an enormous amount of time on. First off, if you're rich, you can fly it and the car will arrive the next day. It's about 15 grand one way. So 30 grand. Is that it? A lot of money, but it's not... Wait, sorry. That feels cheaper than you'd expect. Right. It's a lot of money, but it's not like a private plane flight to Europe, like where the three of us would be $250,000.

Flying a car, cargo is like $15,000. Maybe it's a little more now. I was looking into a few years ago, but regardless, it's not crazy. Okay. So that if you're, if you're, the kind of person asking this, question is probably barking up the tree of maybe doing something like this. So 15 grand, especially because if you put the car on the water, it's probably about 1,500, 2 grand each way. So there's a cost to that. And you lose the car for six weeks to two months. Whenever this question gets asked on travel forums, because there's always people who are like, we're going to spend the summer in Europe and it would be a lot cheaper to just send our own car instead of rent a car, the people on travel forums freak out. That's the stupidest idea. I've ever

heard it's going to be so expensive to send a car it's actually not every car around us more or less has been shipped right like like all i'm obviously some cars are built in north america but you know cars come from overseas my cars my j-wagon right they get on boats it's not that expensive most manufacturers have got the shipping costs the destination charge down to a thousand bucks or fifteen hundred bucks you as a person pay a little more because you're not doing in bulk but it's not substantial no the real issues are it's a logistical challenge because the shippers are not used to dealing with individuals. And there are some things you have to do.

I've heard you have to own the car outright. You have to make sure your insurer is aware of it. There are specialty insurers who will handle this. You want to make copies of your license plates because people in Europe like see you American colorful license plates and sometimes they have a tendency to find their way away from the car. And if you live in a one license plate state, you have to get a front plate made because even though it's technically legal,

you'll get pulled over all the time in Europe. But it's possible and it's not that expensive. if you're willing to put in some legwork, and if you're willing to pick up the car like an emden in northern Germany, which is not like ideal, this is a totally doable thing. And it is a dream of mine. And I tell my wife, whenever our kids are really bad, really hard,

that like someday, post-children, we're going to ship the G-Wagon convertible to Europe and stand the whole summer kidless when they're off at college driving through Europe and the G-Cat. That's like my North Star that I drink. I like it. So it's possible. Now, this person specifically is asking about a two-week trip,

and I think that's probably not a, That's not worth it. Because you'd lose the car for two months on the front end, two months on the back end just for two weeks. And that's assuming that the boat arrives correctly, that all the paperwork is correct, et cetera. But in Europe, you're allowed to drive around in a foreign-plated car for this period of time. It's totally normal. The same is in the U.S., by the way. Yeah, also true in the U.S., and every time I go to Europe, I see at least a couple cars with American license points.

People do it. I tried to, I think the easier move would be to buy a car in Europe hard. That's over 25 years old. So this multiply that I'm into that has all the red flags a used car could possibly have is in Stuttgart. And I tried to get Kennan or Sam to go look at it, drive it while they're there, and then just... It is notably harder. Could registration and insurance are really tough if you're buying the car in that case? I have looked into this.

I only have looked into it in Italy, which is where I'd be interested in doing it. And in Italy, you have to be an Italian citizen or a permanent resident to purchase a car. You can't just, like, be an American on a dream and, like, buy a car willy-dilly. Like, in order to register the car, like, you have to have the documents, which I think is insane, by the way, because that prevents, like, British people who want to have a, like, a holiday home in Italy from buying. They find a way, by the way. There are cars that are, I will also know it's not just being a citizen. As an Italian citizen, you also actually need to be a resident of Italy, which has a bunch of, if you're from the U.S. And a driver, presumably, like the whole thing.

It's more complicated than you might seem. It's actually less complicated to ship over your car. Yep. Surprise. And they're all concerned to do it. Remember. Shibor and Arnaj. Be sweet. Remember, almost every U.S. servicemen does this.

Like when they're stationed in Germany or Spain, they ship their cars. Now, the government takes care of it for them, but like it happens. They do it all the time. It is doable, to be clear, to buy a car there, the register title, but it requires a lot of footwork. It requires some footwork and some enjoyment of, you know, regulations and rules. In countries that are necessarily famously good at doing that. The European equivalent of a Montana LLC. You shoot the car to Germany where this kind of stuff happens and you start there.

And once you're in Europe, you really don't. You're not going to get hassled. You just kind of need to carry you some paperwork. And what else do you need to carry with you, Philippe? At all times when you're driving in Europe. You need a safety vest, obviously. And a warning triangle and flares, maybe? I can't remember if you need flares.

You definitely need a warning triangle. I think it depends on the country, but you need a safety vest and a triangle and flares. And you actually need a safety vest per occupant in the carers. could be in the car. Someone keep on. I will say Volvo's European delivery, which is an incredible deal because you start at 10% below MSRP or something around there, I want to do desperately. Unfortunately, I don't have a plan to buy a new car at any point, but I really want to do the European delivery. You know what you do, Filippo?

Do it with a C-30. That's not a car that's sold by Volvo currently. But yeah, if I were buying a new Volvo, legitimately, I would find a way to do European delivery. It would be fun. You know, I bought a new Volvo like 10 years ago, and I was too busy. And I have a suspicion that's true of a lot of people. And you know, the real problem with Volvo Euro delivery is that trip has to start in Sweden, in mid-Swedon. And so you're like two days on the road before you're not going to Italy from there.

No, no, you're staying there, but in your own car. So you're driving around a country you don't really want to be. I mean, I actually like Scandinavia, but like if I want to do this trip, I want to drive on like the Kuo. Yeah, fair. You're in a country you don't want to be in in a car you don't want to be in, right? It's not like you're a Porsche. You're driving an XE60 and you're driving around Norway. Like, ooh, I'm moose.

You got to assume that most are doing it in the wagons because they're true enthusiasts. The real benefit is that it is actually a good way to get a discount on a Volvo because their pricing is quite appealing for that package. It's like driving all the way across town for 10 cents off your per gallon. You know, it's like, that's a big ask for 10%. Yeah, but if you're going to Europe anyway, the Porsche one is really cool because you, The cool thing about the Porsche one is you can drop off the car not in Stuttgart. So you can pick up the car in Stuttgart and then take a big trip and drop out the car like in Nice or something like that. And also driving your personal Porsche, especially if it's 9-11, Boxter came in around Europe.

It's a little bit cooler than driving your X-E60, which you could also get at the local Avis counter. Yes, although I do think that the coolest part would be driving your own. Like, Nick, imagine shifting gears near mercy on the Autobahn. It would be cool. Yeah. I'm here for that. Okay, that's our pod. Nick, you got any parting thoughts for us? Thank you for tuning in. Nice. Best pod ever.

Or something about up. Goodbye, everyone.