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Episode Date: April 12, 2024

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Welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippo. And today we're going to talk about cars. We'll start, as always, with the news. Ooh, the news. I want to begin with the discussion of the new Toyota Four Runner, which I have been around.

You've reviewed it. I didn't review it because I didn't drive it. Right. So we're not allowed to drive it yet. But then I drove the Land Cruiser, which I'm not allowed to talk about my driving impressions yet, because this podcast is going up before the Embargo lifts. So I've driven this power train in a...

a car this same size. I just haven't driven literally this car. And you can't talk about driving this power train in the car that the exact same size. Have I driven this power train in any other car that I can talk about? No, because the Tacoma was also under embargo. So needless to say, I have some thoughts

that I will not be sharing. Thank you for the teaser. That really gets everybody going to. All right. This is one of several Toyota SUVs that are off-road focused and all the same size. Yeah. Explain that to me. The forerunner,

launch was the most bizarre thing I've ever been on in my life. The forerunner and the Land Cruiser launch at the same launch, okay? The Forerunner is 194.7 inches long. The Land Cruiser is 193.8 inches long. They have the same engine. They have, they're both off-road focused. They have the same platform. The Four-Runner offers a third row. The Lancruiser doesn't. The Forerunner offers a roll-down back window. The Land-Cruiser doesn't. The four-runner offers off-road trim levels. The Trailhunter and the Pro. The The trail hunter has a snorkel. The land cruiser doesn't. The land cruiser nonetheless is minimum 15 grand more expensive. Wow. I see no. I couldn't be paid to purchase a land cruiser at this point. Some people say they think a land cruiser is better looking.

I disagree. I find the land cruiser to be like overly styled and kind of cartoonish. And I think this looks great. The foreigner does look great, especially in Trail Hunter trim and or Tier D Pro trim. Even the limited, I thought, looked pretty nice. So what's the logic? I have no idea. It is one of the most baffling things that I've ever experienced in my life.

So they just think because people are used to paying more for a land cruiser, they'll pay up for the brand prestige? I think they're hoping that people will pay for the brand name. But I think that anybody who thinks will have trouble doing that. Is the interior the interior the floor? The floor owner has a cooler interior. Like, less nice but cooler? More utilitarian? I'll tell you this.

The land cruiser interior looks very generic. It does not say the words land cruiser anywhere but the floor. The old land cruiser also been in, though, 200 series. But that wasn't, this is a very different truck. It's a very different truck. It's now being pitched. If you're cashing in on the brand, right,

you'd want the brand. Only the floor mat, Saylan Cruiser, and you could take those out and put them in a forerunner. If you really want it to feel. God of imagine. So,

forerner starts at what? What's like the base forerunner? I assume 44. Right now it's about 42, and I assume they'll jack it up a little bit. Link Cruiser starts at... 58, and that's for the base model, which has cloth seats.

What is the, like, Trail Hunter, forerer trim expected to be? be at. I assume low 60s. Right now it's like 59, but I assume they're adding some stuff, it's a new model, it'll be low 60s. So there'll be that overlap there. And if you want a three-row land cruiser, the Lexus GX-550 exists. Yeah, it does exist. And that offers a V6, and the land cruiser doesn't. So there's a better land cruiser, which is the Lexus GX-550. There's a cheaper land cruiser with more seats, which is the forerunner. And then there's a bigger land cruiser,

which is the Sequoia. And it is also not that much different in price. Because the Sequoia starts around 60 and the Land Cruiser starts at 58. So I feel like there was a time when the Land Cruiser was like the flagship model. Right. And people accepted that it was smaller than a Sequoia, but it was the one to get nicer. But now they're all in the same chassis. It's hard. Is it like a 25 year car anymore?

Right. That's a thing. It would be hard to look at the Land Cruiser and say, this is like the pinnacle SUV, so we buy it. Like it's a forerunner with a different body that is worse in my, that is more. expensive in my opinion. And I will not talk about my driving impressions yet. Correct. We're not breaking any embargo here.

Although, can we talk about the forerunner in more detail? Because it just got released yesterday. Two days ago. It looks good. We can all agree. It looks at 12. Wow. The internet. Is there one engine or two? There are two engines. There's a base model

engine and then the one I just referenced is the top. Is it? I force max? Yeah. So the base model has the non-hyber version of that same engine. And then then you can go up to the hybrid one. The internet is, of course, a buzz saying they've killed the foreigners. This looks great.

When I was a kid, they came out with the fourth jet. And I remember that the time, the forums were just new. And the internet was a buzz saying they had killed the forerunner. And every previous forum was the last forerunner. It's that time every time a new car comes up. Enthusiasts are fickle, admittedly, and I am also very fickle.

Like when the new M3 came out, same thing. Then you grow to like it. I haven't. It is a very capable. I read a quote from someone who was arguing against this saying, the BMW tag tagline is the previous generation BMW, whatever it was, was the last generation or whatever it was. It doesn't matter.

Boy, is that true. This looks great. I think it looks great. The new Tacoma looks great. It's very similar for front-end design. Yeah. But it looks like a shrunken-down Sequoia in the good ways. I think it looks better in the Sequoia.

The rear window looks great. Can you get camo cladding like you can on the sequela? No. So did I tell you? So the TR4 run. You're going to have no interest. The Stierty Pro Forerner still has the same camo seats. Oh.

But the cladding is just black. They realized it was. Someone told them like, you know, guys, I think you took this a little too far. Yeah. Like, you're right. You're right. We'll take the plating off. Wait, can we talk about the design a tiny bit more?

Yeah. So the kind of truck area side window, very third gen four runner. Yes, they brought that back. The second gen four runner. They brought the side window. Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah. The roll over side window is a first second gen four runner thing. and that'll be cool.

Drop down rear tailgate window. Yes, this has always been true in forerunners, which is great. And not also, the Land Cruiser does not have that either. It has a pop-up, though. It has a pop-up, but the Land Cruiser no longer has a split tailgate. And then can we talk about the fact that the I-Force Max badge just screams Dura Max to me? I see that, and I'm like, oh, we're looking at a Chevy. Yeah, but, dude, it's an I-Force Max.

Right. Okay, so that's the forerunner. Next up, the new Corvette ZR-1. Which Chevy previewed yesterday. They announced that they're going to do it. They announced no details. Correct. Beyond that.

They say the unthinkable is coming. The unthinkable. I will think about it right now. Yeah. We all can think about it. It's going to be a more powerful Corvette. Right. It's not too unbelievable.

Okay. So the regular C8 has 500 horsepower more or less. The Z-O-6 has 670. People are saying that the ZR1 is going to have 800. Wow, not bad. Yeah. The C701 was broadly considered to be insane and too much power, right? That was like the general takeaway.

He's like a big C7 guy. I don't know what this happened. But I remember when you went to Dubai or whatever to see it. Yeah. And it was wild. Yeah, that's right. I went to Dubai to see the C701. That had 755 horsepower.

So we got to go up. It'll go up to eight something. I wonder if it's going to have some sort of electric assistance. Right, because there's a Corvette E-ray. The E-ray does. the architecture is there, all these exotic cars with the Horspower now do. Put it together. They just have to put the two together.

My hope is that it continues to use the ZO6 as flat plane crank V8. That's what they're saying. And then puts the hybrid, and that kind of gives you everything that you want. It would be kind of unthinkable if they slapped like a supercharger on it because supercharging a flat plane crank V8's not that common. That would be kind of cool. Or if they, you know, turbocharged it supercharged and gave it hybrid power, that would be all. The Volvo move.

Like Volvo? Yeah. That would almost be unthinkable. I have to agree. Then I would agree with the state. Here's a question. What will be bigger? The wing or this table?

Oh, the wing. The wing without question. What will be bigger? The wing or Philippa lying down flat behind the wing? The wing. I'm not that much taller. I think the MC12 wing is bigger than you. Believeable.

But, you know, that's like a clown car. Current GT3RS wing is definitely larger than Philippa. And me. I think it's a long time. How over-styled do you think it will be? I think it'll be fine. I think they've done such a great job. You know, one question that someone wrote in and it didn't, and we're not going to answer, is they wasn't even a question.

They said, talk about corvettes. And I was thinking, which is my favorite corvette? And I think it's the C-8. E-ray? No, just like in general, the C-8 of all the Corvette generations. It's just great. It's a great car. I get that it doesn't have a stick.

I love, there are certain other ones that I've loved over the years. But it is a, it drives fantastically. It's so good. I think they all look pretty good, with the exception of the rear end is a little big because it has to store golf club. Really, that's why. The C701, my recollection of that, again, too powerful for the street and kind of hard to drive on a track. But mid-engine, big is a lot of that problem. They can add more power and have it still be functional.

Yeah, I think that'll help. Plus, you've got to assume it's going to be all-wheel drive just because E-ray is. But who knows? What do you think the MSRP will be for that car? The Z-O-6 apparently starts at 115. and gets up to like the 130s. So you got to, I mean, this is like a 150. Is it really 115?

I'm stunned. Good luck finding. You think it's wild. It kind of feels low for the performance. And that engine's amazing. That's always been the Corvette thing. That's always been the Corvette thing. And they're still selling for pretty good money.

Like they're like 150 well perfectly equipped and everything. So you think that this maybe starts at 150, 160. But with the performance level, it's going to be amazing. What is the C7? 23. C7 ZR1? Yeah. That I don't know.

At C701 apparently was 125. I mean, there's enormous inflation of the prices of these cars. Because that's what the ZO6 now costs. Also, to be realized, if we're going to go mid-engine, people are going to pay up. And boy, have they. Yeah, go big. It was a good move by Chevrolet. To go mid-engine.

It kind of was, yeah. They need a successful. It's been a great move. You remember the vitriol when people found out that, like, it's going to be a mid-engine core. No stick, mid-engine. But I think there was also a lot of excitement, and it has just delivered tremendously well. Although I don't see that many around. What?

Legernerally. Do you have eyes? Do you like, just do you drive like this just like looking at like your hands or something? It's like, they're everywhere. We go out there right now. That's all I does. I agree with you. They're everywhere.

They're everywhere. It used to be a trope in our friend group. I was like, oh, wow, a C8 because you saw them every single. And because the first ones you saw you were so excited. Like when it first came out and then eventually it became a Corvette. You know why? He's not noticing. He's just looking around for C7.

He wants to manifest. C7. This is it cool. I think my favorite corvettes, the C6. ZR1 is my favorite. That is a very cool car. I really love those cars. C7 ZR1 is also very cool.

It's too much. C4 Grandsport, however, is the greatest corvette all time. It's up there. C4 ZR1 is a really cool car. That engine's awesome. Split window is probably the greatest corvette. Yeah, the reality of it's the C2 is. The C1 is probably the most iconic.

The C2 is probably the coolest. And it was designed by a man named Larry. Anyway What do you got for news? All right The EQG That's what they're calling No, that's not what they're calling it

As we've long been calling it Colloquially This is the electrified G wagon Yeah What do you think they're calling it? They're not calling it EQG? No Oh my God

That's what they should call it G500 E Close Kenan What's your good That was going to be like Kind of my vein Yeah

G some number It won't mean anything It is the G580 with EQ technology. No, I'm not making that up. That is what they have announced they're calling it. Is it fully electric? Yeah. We know no other details.

Just they announced the name this week. The G580 with EQ technology. Yep. You're kidding. You're fact checking it, but it is true. The G580 with EQ technology. That is absolutely embarrassing. So they came out with the naming scheme where they added EQ and then the size of the car.

And then SUV or not SUV broadly. And itself is that there's the EQE sedan, the EQS, etc, et cetera, et cetera. And then not the EQG. That's insane. Well, I think they've realized the naming scheme is stupid, and so they're trying to ditch it here. But calling it G580 with EQ technology is wild. One of the most embarrassing things that I have ever seen.

That implies me that they think that it won't be popular because people want like the V8 nature of the G wagon? I think what they've realized is they can't take that they want, they need to start with G. because G-Wagon is the thing. And so they couldn't steal that from it. Equalizer G-wagon. It would be just stupid.

And so that's what they're going to do. But wow, that's just wild. Nonetheless, I am tremendously excited for this. Yeah, it'll be super cool. Yeah. Also, like, why not? This is one of the first really desirable EVs that I've seen. Because the G is a desirable car, but at a 12 miles per gallon or it's, you start to, I don't

care if you can afford it. You just start to become, it's a problem. And. I'll tell you what, though, G-G-G-Wagon owners. don't care about that. They don't care, but like, I think it's also such an in-your-face-a-noying car and then to also be getting 12 miles per gallon with a V8 that makes 600 horsepower. It's just, it's

like, for me personally, I look at them and I just think, this is not how I want to live. As an owner. Think about it, like, with the regular engine, you underpower, the backend squats massively, right? Like, that's what the G-Wagon does when you're accelerating. Yeah, that's... Imagine with electric power. It's going to be...

If it's a 580, it's going to have less power than the 63. But I am curious to see how it's going to go. And I think this will find It will be super cool, though. This will finally make the G a little bit acceptable to own. So that's what you're hoping for, that you can buy one. I'm not going to get one anyway, but I do like it. I'm really, I've been, this is the only electric Mercedes I've been excited for,

aside from the EQS, which I also love. You know that the 993 turbos like tagging that kills bugs fast? An electric version of the G-wagon with that flat window. Now, there's something that will kill bugs fast. And the windshield will break. And the windshield will crack. We are now moving on to the market report. Excellent.

I would like to start by discussing Cybertruck real quick. Yeah, that's it. Of course. We've sold, we've auctioned three now. And we've sold one. We've got another one on the site right now. We've sold one of the three. And bidding, okay, so the first one, bidding ended at 158 off probably a 105 sticker.

Some of that. Same deal on the second one, 145 bidding 105 sticker. The third one sold for 146-5 with no reserve. No reserve, all with the answer, first of all. Well, that proves it because the no reserve one got another $1,500 and they're both in the same place. So what do you guys think? I'm personally, I think that this, I'm surprised to see it's not selling for what I thought it would. Remember, Hummer EVs were 300.

But Hummer has produced, GMC has produced about 12 Hummer EVs. Yeah. They claim to be producing the first thousand. But there was a lot more excitement about the cyber truck. So even though demand was. Yeah, but they produced that. Supply of cyber trucks is also, I mean, there are a lot of them. There are a lot of them.

There are a lot of them. And Hummer EV took more time to get your hands on. Definitely. But demand has got to be way higher for cyber trucks. I think that Tesla scared off some of the early flippers from flipping because of their threats of lawsuits. I haven't heard anything more about that too. Whereas with GM it was like, I mean, okay, I can't buy another Humma. Well, GM said that they would void the warranties if you flipped them. And nobody believed that. And I don't know if it came true, but I think at this

point GM would be thrilled just to have a warranty, a vehicle that has a warranty on it because they've sold so few of them. Early buyers didn't have to sign that. That also came out. That came halfway through the year. But so the cyber trucks at 146 are surprising to me because these Hummery TVs were 300, which is 3x the sticker. Rivians, we were selling for 135, which was double the sticker. This is only like a 20% boost. I have a couple of thoughts. Definitely one of them is what you said, that people were a little afraid, both

sellers and buyers, because buyers were afraid that Tesla was going to brick them. Sellers were afraid that Tesla was going to ban people, which of course is laughable because if, yeah, I mean, the concept that Tesla would ban somebody is just. They were also going to pursue some monetary relief. Yeah, which I think isn't going to happen. I think the other thing is, though, like, the market has just changed so much from when people, in 21, when everybody had cash, people were taking their PPP loans and spent it $140,000 to get a Rivian. Yes. Yeah, that is true.

Now, like the, and especially the people who buy a cyber truck were probably a lot of, like, crypto people, real estate people who did really well in those years, who probably would have spent way over. And now things are not quite where they were. And so they're not. I do wonder about overall demand for these trucks. They're polarizing. And they're not a truck that fits that many use cases. I guess, but I wonder if demand is also a little bit lower than what we have to make off. That may be true, but it is unbelievable to me how many people ask me about this truck?

As like the resident car guy, like in my neighborhood and all that, like, no one wants to talk about anything else. Not because they want to buy one. Maybe, but the fact that people are discussing it as cool, that alone creates demand because there's a lot of people who want to drive around in the coolest thing. I will say I see them very frequently now. I'm seeing two or three of them every day. I will also say it's a different time, like you said. If you want just an electric pickup truck, you have the Ford Lightning,

their R1T, maybe the Hummery V-ish, and the Chevrolet one's coming. And you can lease a Rivian R1T for like $600, $700 a month. It's no longer unattainable. That's so fair. Imagine if this had been the first one. Yeah. They screwed this up.

That's a really good point. The novelty of having an EV truck. I think they screwed up. They needed to get Model 3, Model Y out, and they did. Yeah, but they announced the truck in 19. They announced a roadster and, Well, yeah. If they, that's a great point.

If they had come out with the truck, when they said they would, I think it would probably be a lot more desirable. These days, we've already gotten accustomed to all these electric trucks with Rivian, et cetera. It's just not as exciting as it was, even though it looks insane. That's the primary excitement. The durability, the durability, the off-road capability, we've seen it. We've seen it with Rivian. We've seen it with Lightning. We've seen it with Hummer.

It's not as cool anymore. You're still going to attract everybody that wants the cyber truck specifically because it's a cyber truck? but you're not going to attract people that are cross-shopping it because they want an electric pickup truck. Yeah. It looks cool. Too much availability. Superchargers are open to R1Ts and lightnings, et cetera, now.

It just has changed. That was all sorts of surprise. It looks ugly in pictures and you see it in person. It's like, like, the context is what it was like, Kenan loves the cyber truck, which is surprising. I do, because it reminds me a lot of the Kuntosh, and I really, I mean, I was like, there's a few differences.

I'm looking at the windshield on the Kuntash right now. It's the same plane. Flat. And I think that it's just, I think the Kundash was an inspiration. Oh, yeah, for sure. They said that. They said that.

Really? Does it remind me of it? Less so. Well, I mean, look, it's not a Lamborghini. But, like, the point is in the modern age, I don't think there's been a product that's been so polarizing and people have been so excited about. Yeah. And it's cool to see people excited about a vehicle of some kind.

Now, of course, is it flawed? Oh, yeah. But I think that it's very cool. No, it is incredibly cool. It's fun to see something different, like, that different. And, you know, whether or not it's built, like, garbage or what? It is built better than I was expecting, though. When I saw it, I thought you'd be running around with those panels on there,

and it would be like a kid's arts product. It drives like a car. Yeah, it's like a normal thing. And everybody's talking about it. Easy for some of us anyway to park. Everybody's talking about it. The drawback is the, I am surprised at the market situation. It is also worth pointing out, by the way, we haven't sold a Cyberbeast.

Yeah, there's one option somewhere I don't remember where. And I haven't had the result. Or that had one. Yeah, like Meekum or something, it ran one. I think that that would be more. interesting maybe the real money people would be holding out for the ultimate one would they get the less than ultimate one right but also Tesla emailed all earlier reservation people saying late Q1 or early Q2 to take delivery like that they're

just building the trucks and also given all of that 30k above sticker isn't nothing so they're building these they're gonna get all the orders out no but they're made they're building that they're coming out there 30k above sticker is nothing so they're they're gonna they are doing what other cars right now are selling 30k above sticker yeah Right, that's a good. Right. It's a very, very good.

None. Literally none. Very, very few. Okay. Give us another market report information. Kenan, why don't you give us something? So we had quite the result this week. So as a former Ferrari F-35 owner, this one to me was surprising.

So this car sold as in 1995, same year as mine. Rosa Corsa, all the 95s were six speeds. They're all manual through 1997. The correct red. Thank you, Philippo. But the more common red, some of us would say. Red tan. But what was surprising, this car was TMU, so true mileage, unknown.

This car had accident history. This car needed service work. It had like no service documentation and it still sold for 75. And it had a rebuilt title. It had a rebuilt title. It feels like the floor on the 355 has shifted dramatically. And so it was just wild to see one like to self-like. Because even I would have been vaguely tempted if I thought it was going to be like 50, 55, like,

It's like that, like, you can almost put up with the pain for, you know, for that kind of way because the car wasn't very expensive. But for 75, like I paid 83 for mine in November of 2023 or 22, rather. So. Yeah. The market is changing on these. The market has really fallen in love with the 355, despite its issues, which are well documented, well-known, well-discussed. But become a lot more justifiable as the car increases in value. So, I mean, nice, stick GTSs are 250, 300.

cars and at that point you start to think to yourself I don't really care about a $20,000 engine out right it doesn't matter when I'm not I'm not putting 25 or 30 percent of the value in the car one service to be to be fair to the 355 it is a beautiful gorgeous well it's it's beautiful it sounds amazing it feels exotic it is special comes from a very important era there aren't that many of them relative to the models that came after it's the last the old school there's a lot of positive the 355 in the lineage of the mid-engine Ferraris standard product invention from Ferraris.

I think it's the most beautiful. More beautiful than Dino. More beautiful than 458. It is just gorgeous. Now, I don't think that about the spider. But the cars, I like the spider a lot. I like the spider a lot. But the cars with the...

Yeah, that toupee doesn't do it for you there? It doesn't. No, the cars... Top up. I think that this line, the line on the B.B.C. Pillar, I guess it would be going back down the car is important to the overall look.

But even as a spider, it's a absolutely beautiful car. And those wheels were it. They were... Those speed lines, they made by speed line, those wheels were, yeah. Anybody who swaps wheels on a 355 is that? Yeah, I've seen them with 360 wheels and it's like, yeesh. You don't understand. You don't get it.

They're newer and bigger. Yeah, I mean, what happened was they cracked these, couldn't find a set and were like, 360 wheels are cheap, also left those. But regardless, like, I was just like, I was just stunned. Like, I would have put money that it was going to sell in the 50s, not 75, and so the seller, you know, hats off to him. I agree with you. And actually, this goes back to the point that you made last. week, which was these cars are getting

less attainable. Yeah, I'm happy I own obviously 75 isn't like we were talking about F40s and stuff, but like... To be clear, this was a 40 car when I was not that long. To be clear, I sold mine for 112. You said the market which, by the way, was a strong result at that time. Very, incredibly strong result

because mine had a lot of miles. And then this one brought 125. And this one, which had a substead a genuine fifth of the miles that my car had on it. You know, it was, yeah, I feel I did well and, you know, I think that I sold well. I'm glad I owned it when I did.

But, yeah, I mean, you wonder, you wonder where 355s eventually settle because it's not like, unlike the F40 or something like that. This wasn't that limited in production. They made quite a few of these. So, like, I do kind of wonder, but it's special. But I think finding nice ones with sticks, it's going to become harder and harder. People mod it on. They did dump stuff. Sticks are the most common, to be clear, to over two thirds of the production of 355 are manuals.

Yeah, but what ended up happening was when the dollar in euro, this is. This is something that I've really started to hone in on with air-cooled, and it's true to career duty also. When it became favorable to ship cars, Europeans came over here, and they took all the sticks, and they took all the coops. And the reason that almost every 355 that comes up is a convertible, and a lot more F-1s come up than they should, given the production numbers, are because a lot of those cars swam.

And I have a suspicion that... I love that expression. And I have a suspicion that if you actually were able to pull the registration data, what you would find is that a good chunk of the remaining 355s in the U.S. are convertibles and tips, is my guess, more than they should be. And that's teased out. I mean, look at these. How many of these? This is nine cars. What is it?

Seven of them are convertibles. I mean, that wasn't the, I promise you, 78% of production was not convertibles. You get the point. I think that Europeans stole our cars. In the U.S., I believe it was the most common model. Like, they produced more spiders. I think that's true also. I think the U.S. was already convertible bias, and then the Europeans came and picked off the good ones,

which they also did for air colds and drove up air-cooled prices. Maybe. Although I see a lot of Euro coups and GTS as being imported because the bias. They're starting to come back because things have changed in terms of exchange rates. There was a time, though, when the dollar was tremendously cheap. And there was a, it was advantageous to Europe. I think things are shifting back the other way now, given also that the exchange rate is basically even. Let's go get some U.S. cars, bring them back.

We don't even have to conform them. We just have to pay duty. The problem is duty is now expensive. on 355. They were paying, they were 40 grand cars when they were shipping them over. Europeans just killing it. All right, Philippo, give us your market report. All right. Can we talk about wagons? I was thinking actually the other day. So we've sold a couple, we sold a Panorama Sport Tourismo recently, a Taekon Sport Tourismo, whatever they're calling it, and a bunch of other wagons, a C63, E55 wagons. Yeah.

They sell well, right? Yeah. Is there a single car where the wagon version is not more valuable? Single performance car. single car period in the used market where the wagon is not more valuable I can't think of any that's an interesting like legitimately I'm thinking about this for an equivalent car etc

because like I just randomly typed in a wagon we sell a lot of wagons that that 525 I touring that we had was a full Ether 9-95 drive train swap way more than that car would cost as a sedan not a good example though no but scroll back down are there any wagons

This one, I mean, the 528. Right. Some are the same. A 528 sedan is three grand. Some are equivalent, more or less. Yeah, E40 is a different car. But like, you know, how much of the catalogs is you have to be sedan? You know, it's funny that you bring this up.

I made this point one time to a guy at a meetup who had bought an E-63 sedan. A 2017 330-I X-drive sedan is a $12,000 car. The wagon is 34. I made this point in time to a guy who had bought an E-63 sedan. He said he couldn't justify spending the extra. at the time like four grand new for a wagon. I was thinking myself, mistake, your wagons and we were double

when you go to sell it in eight years, which he was in that situation. He was like, I can't believe my sedan's only worth 14 grand. And I'm like, oh, if it was a wagon, he was 50. Yeah, you make an interesting point. Always get the wagon. Is there an example that disproves this?

I really cannot think of a one. And even if there is an example that disproves it, the point is made. Generally speaking, by the wagon. Everybody that's considering buying a car that is offered as a wagon. Does the all road count as a wagon? Yes, and it is much more valuable

than the regular A6 sedans. Yeah, the A6, all roads from that era are worth four. A6 sedans from that era are worth whatever you can pay the guy at the junkyard to take it away for you. That is accurate. There's really like no exceptions, which is if you're buying a new car, if you're in a position right now, whatever car may be, get the wagon version. Yeah, it will pay you guys. Sometimes the wagon is more expensive, though. Worth it.

Is it also just as an American's perspective? Yes. Because there's such a limited number of wagons here. Yeah, it is a solely U.S. story. Yeah, right. It's limited. But it's such a better car in general. I agree.

There's only two cars I can think of where I think the sedan looks better. Well, who is 60. Of course, you two both own wagons. Correct. Both Mercedes wagons, too. What's the other one? I was the one that was actually coming out of here. I added one in case I missed an obvious one.

This car, the sedan looked, the legacy. The wagon looks better. The 04ish legacy, the sedan looked really nice. All right. I'll back, S-U-S-U-S. On the subject. That was a. interesting car. On the subject of wagons,

Kenan, you wanted to talk about this one, and I loved your take on it. Yep. So as Felipe had alluded to, we sold the, or we, we had this 2001 E39-5-25 by touring with a complete E-39 M5 drive-frame swap. So manual transmissions, V8, limited slip differential.

I think the guy even went as far as to, he put a lot of work into the interior as well, put M-5 gauges, um, M-5 seats, which he had redone and redone and everything, had the Alcantara headline put in. Like, put a lot of detail into this car. And as a result.

And then chose after market wheels. Well, he also supercharged it and modified it extensively. Yeah, he chose to modify it. By the way, it then sold after. It didn't sell at auction. Sold after. We don't publicly reveal what those prices are, but it sold pretty well afterwards. I got to tell you, if, well, my take is that if he had just done it to make it look like

an OEM plus build, the factory wheels, maybe didn't do the supercharger, factory stinger, just made it as close to what BMW would have built. I think it would have brought a ton more. I think he probably would have gotten another 15 or 20 grand if the car had been totally M5 stock, if it really looked like an M5. I agree. Which is funny because he could have taken it to that point

and did. With that said, he did do incredibly well. I mean, this is obviously a lot more money than an E39 M5 sells for, a sedan, a regular sedan. It's of course a lot of money than a 525I touring sells for. Just combining them, it's an enormous amount of work. People wanted it. People think it's cool as hell. And it is cool as hell. It is cool as hell.

And doing it is a lot of work, and it's awesome. and he was richly rewarded for doing the work and keeping it relatively stock because I've seen some of these builds that have gone so far off the deep end that it's like laughable. This is still pretty good, but I totally agree with you.

It looks stock enough. Only wheels didn't have a blower on. Yellow seatbelts I probably could have skipped. I actually love the steering wheel. Really? I love the steering wheel. I love that. Oh, you like that?

That material is all I ever want to put my hands on. For that material only. I wish everything was made out of that. For audio listeners, it's perforated leather He's talking about. It's a stormtrooper. But specifically this perforated leather, I can feel it right now, and it feels great.

Well, you can have it. I'm not putting that in my M5. We'll put it like that. But it's... But nonetheless, yeah, there is clearly a market for these cars. As there should be. And not a lot of people have converted them.

And the people have some of them, some of them have done it poorly. This one did it. Like, doing the seats and doing the LSD, like it's it's well there's more to it than that you have to modify the chassis in order to make it work and little stuff bumpers you and me notice but he wouldn't but like bumper i can say that's also an aftermarket bumper you get my point though yeah in order to do it right you have to yeah no it's an incredible amount of effort so like yeah but i agree if for the people who build it the way that bmw would have so there's one of these that was built in period by a bmw dealer in georgia the state

and the nation state no not the nation state. But done exactly with all B&W components, factory stuff, and it looks factory. That car must be worth an absolute fortune. I hate to say it. I think it would probably be better in silver. Just because white was it...

White was it like the color they were. If I wanted a... Lamont Blue would be... Did they sell was that offered on non-Ms? Look, sweetie. If you're doing all the work, just paint the car. The engine is out of it. I have a different perspective. I think that it would have looked more M5 wagony if it were silver or an M5 color, but it looks so unassuming.

Yeah, no, it looks nice. It looks like a 525 eye with aftermarket wheels and that's it. The problem I have with late 90s and early 2000s performance cars in white is that white was not hot then. White is really hot now. Everybody wants white. They weren't good. No, it's incredibly rare on the E-58. And so it's actually pretty rare. So when you see it, you kind of, that in itself almost feels like a modification because it was just such a rare color.

Like 360s, 996s, none of those cars are white. Like they basically don't exist. And so you always kind of wonder, silver. I also do think that they're like a flatter, less pretty white. Well, they are. They're non-metallic. Yeah, but like even then. Even then, somehow they're flatter.

I think due to age, that's the problem. No, it is. Sun fade. Can we move on to discussing cars, things that are happening in our lives? Sure, please. Start us off. Okay, actually, I want, yeah, I will start us off with the finest Instagram account that any person has ever found in history.

It's such a good one. Esso, Monaco. So Monaco is a country in France. You've got to make them waves. Monaco is a principality. It is not a country, but it basically is. And there is, it's very wealthy. There's a tax haven where only wealthy people live to escape taxes from other countries.

You won't be able to go into any of the posts, unfortunately, if you're not allowed then. Well, I mean, it's not, yeah, it's my. Oh, boom. How about that? Nice. You really know what you're talking about. I know exactly what I'm talking about. Just you wait.

And so in Monaco, you drive around Monaco. and all you see are supercars going seven miles an hour because it is the size of a college campus, the entire country is. And you can't do anything, but they don't want to leave because they're getting their tax benefit. Great. So that's all good. So there's like three gas stations in the whole country because land is so valuable. You wouldn't want to use land to be a gas station. This is one of the gas stations. And they've started an Instagram account where they just take pictures of all the supercars that show up. And it is unbelievable. A rental twingo with a stripe. Well, keep going down. SP3, Daytona. SP3, Pagani.

Curlsingway. Nope. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, it just kind of keeps going. GLS Mybach, F40,

Chiron. R. 300 SL. LP 640, SVJ, Veyron. 918. Murah.

Mura. At some point when you keep scrolling a Batmobile appears. Oh. And it is not, it isn't one of those

like 70s ones. It is like a hardcore, giant wings, ridiculous Batmobile with Egypt license plates. There is nothing.

Nothing that is not seen by the S.O. Monaco. All of the crazy stuff is here. It is my favorite Instagram. They have 20,000 followers. I hadn't heard of this account to our friend. Sam was like, oh, you haven't heard of Eso Monica? And then we followed it. And it's like, it's.

I went looking and they started the account like fifth, like at the start of Instagram and stopped posting for like 12 years. And only six months ago decided like, hey, maybe we should revive this because we keep seeing batmobiles from Egypt. And so they're also open 24 hours a day, seven days a week. That's what they claim. Carrera GT in there, SP1 in there, people just cruising around in, Sterling Moss, SLR, Enzo, no problem at all. Just an unbelievable array of ridiculous vehicles. So cool. Call out my Instagram.

You will not follow this Instagram account? Of course not. The only car I care about is that Renno Twingo with a stripe in the back of that one. Yeah, Landon Norris getting into a mirror and he's like, oh, look at the Renaultu Twingo. The French plate's no surprise. Okay. Kenan, give us something interesting. What is going on in your automotive thoughts?

Well, I, you know, a big Harry Metcalf fan. I'm watching, watch his videos, look forward to it every time. Best YouTube channel. Well, absolutely my favorite. No offense. Not a joke. No, dude, it's my favorite, too. Actually, our new cars in Ben Zuda is I really like, but Harry is. They're really good.

Anyway, so Harry recently reviewed another restomodded Porsche, which got me thinking, the recipe is the same every time. Take a 993 at 964, strip it back to nothing and say, oh, the only thing we kept was this part of the A pillar. And then make it out of carbon. Make the engine. Got to be carbon. Yeah. Go crazy on the engine. Make it very, you know, performance focus. Make it sound very race car.

Quilt the leather in the engine cover. Yes. Uh-huh. The engine bay. Then find some pedantic detail to fix two. Either it's an 11th. You know, this one goes to 11 for the, for the tachometer. Right. Or in this case, they came up the, the designer of the car decided that the oil filter

was orange and that that was garrish. So he made a leather cover for it. It's like, But like every singer has the fuel cap in the center of the front. Yes, to pay homage to the race cars. Or they have like that bubble thing under the engine car. Like it looks kind of weird. Anyway. And then charge 750,000 euros.

Minimum. Because singers are two and a hatwild. This is the greatest point you've ever made. And I don't know why it never hit me. How many of these companies do we need? How many can there be? Because there's Gunther Works. There's Singer obviously.

Singer is the interesting one maybe because their company is so successful to turn into a verb. You sing a ride in the car. Sure. And for all these, that's a true sign of success for companies. But the formula is the same. And I...

Formula is the same. Yeah. So, yeah, I gave you a list. It was like... Emory Motorsports, Theon. I don't even... I've never heard of some of these, honestly. Stratt.

But like, RWB, all these. It's the same basic things. But it's the same thing. It's just like, can we just leave the poor cars alone? No. To me, it's not even about leaving it alone at this point. It's just about like...

Well, how much appetite does the market have for the same thing? And also, like, we get it. you can take an old Porsche and make it cool and charge two and a half million and charge I mean you should have seen when I reviewed the singer and by the way I hate to I'm going to admit this publicly for the first time I don't really like singer I don't really like the cars I don't really find them to be that valuable I think they're modded Porsches if I'm being totally frank with you Kenon back me up on this I don't totally disagree I think that they put a lot of I do appreciate the level of attention but for two and a half million dollars I'm taking it I drove a singer and it was the best $400,000 car I have ever driven. And there was a time when they were that. Yeah. But not anymore. So these are modded Porsches.

And, but I saw the price list. I reviewed that one and I saw the price list. You should see. I mean, it's like, do you want leather on the inside of the eight pillars? $41,000. Why is it? And of course, every number is a round number, which suggests to me they made a month. Why is it $41,000?

It just is. It's a multiple of the actual cost of what it, yeah. A huge multiple. And then rounded. Yeah, and then rounded for, why not? The part costs $1137, multiply that by eight,

and then round up by $10,000. Now, some people argue that these companies are celebrating, you know, the 9-11, the ultimate way possible, taking all the best parts,

putting it on the best car. Well, at the end of the day, it is a modified 9-11. And, like, I personally, I don't like modifications, so I like that,

I would rather, so much rather have a 993 Turbo S for half a million. I agree. Personally, I agree. I could see why someone would want this perfect.

I can understand and you want to be different. There's something that like, 9-11s are largely very similar to one another. And old 9-11s have become passe. Like every watch enthusiast in the bay has an old 9-11. Take it easy. But yeah, that's true. But it's like, in order to distinguish yourself, it's not

you can't just get a 993. Right. You can't even just get a 993 turbo. And so like Singer is here to say You can't even a 993 GT2. It's like that's still not enough. So Singer is here to say, hey, this is even more special. And here's a way to like show yourself as a

connoisseur even more. And I get that and I think there is some market for that and I think it's cool but like it's gone completely off the deep end and I agree an F40. When I see someone that F40 I think to myself that is someone who is like legit who's putting up with a lot who has like a real taste who is a real connoisseur. I see a singer and I think this person

has talked to some wealthy people who are like you heard a singer oh you got to get a singer singer singer singer and it's like get an F40 now by the same token those people generally who can afford one of have the 40 already, or they've owned one in the past. But the point stands that like just how all these companies to me seem to do very, very similar things.

There's a lot of demand. I am prideful of the fact. I am prideful of the fact that the Carrera GT has no deviated stitching, no paint to sample. I mean, there's like a few paint to sample cars. They're also no deviated stitching, no leather air vent slats, no rearview mirror cover in leather. Just wait 40 years. There's special seat belt, and they're all silver, and yet it's the greatest Porsche ever made. Because that is a car that is focused on driving.

And I think a lot of these people focus on $41,000 leather, a pillar cover. It's kind of the antithesis of what you like about Porsche. Yeah, it should be. That's why I like the car. Because it literally, it's a big avenue to all the Porsche people who are out there trying to flex on each other because their air vent slats are a different color and their GT4 at a meet. And then you show up in that and it's like, yeah, this is the real deal. And by the way, I don't know what color my air vent slats are. Boom.

You don't even know what the car looks like from just a small portion of it we've learned. Show dug the entire side of the car. The US 2000 is a well-documented inspiration for the career of GT. You know, I said that, and people in the comments thought I was being serious. Philippa, why don't you give us something? Sure thing.

Later this summer, I'm going to Italy for a few weeks, which will be great. Your homeland. My homeland. I was born there, visiting family. It'll be great. But the thought came to mind of what should I rent while I'm there? Now, obviously, I mean, I will rent the smallest, cheapest car I can buy.

I can find, without a doubt, I already have months ago. What is it? I don't know. Some B segment. Oh, really? But that's like where you live. You didn't get like a true super mini? We'll be driving across all of Italy, as I do every time I go to Italy because it's about six hours.

But I wanted something bigger. You wanted something with an air bag. Okay. Need a rear shoes. But if I were not me, if I were Kennan, for example, what would I want to drive around Italy in? And I have a feeling that our answers will differ because I think that I would want, I still want something quintessentially European and Italian. One of my great sadnesses is that you, as an American, you have to choose between going to Europe or driving a cool car. You can't do both.

In Italy, that's true, but other places it's possible. It's very difficult to rent really cool cars in Europe. In America, I can go on Toro in San Diego and rent any manner of Ferrari, Lamborghini, G-Wagon, and Tesla. It doesn't matter. You want to drive around Lake Como in a cyber truck? It doesn't matter what you want. Picture it. Any L-A-X-Turro, there is literally any car.

Okay? It doesn't completely runs the game. However, you go to Europe and you go on 6th, which is the only one that even offers slightly interesting cars. And they have nothing good anymore. Nothing good anymore. They've completely given all that up. And the best you can do one time I rented a 128-I automatic convertible.

Why would you want that? What was the up? That was it, man. I want, there was a time when I went to Italy and I was offered like a Ford Fiesta and I said, no, I want something Italian. And they gave me a Fiat Panda. And it was wonderful. Is it objectively a worst car? Of course.

But did I feel more Italian? Yes. There's no easy way in Europe or cheap way. This is the other thing. Because in Europe, you can rent these cars, but they're like a grand a day. Whereas I don't. Ferrari, California, on Turro and San Diego is like $85 a day. Yeah.

It would be a little hyperbole. What did it really? What did he pay for that? Two something a day? I think $2.50 a day. Still, you can't do that in Europe at all. But also, I don't want to drive around. Tuscany and Ferrari, California.

I want a small Italian car. Okay. So your dream rental car in Italy is the type of car they rent you and hurts. Correct. So I'm actually content here. Okay. But what would you guys want? Your dream is to just drive around the 500 of bars.

No, I would love like a nice, like the Pedro 508 station wagon looks great. That would be cool. That's a trash car. Of course, but I just need to feel like I'm living in Italy. I would love an old Fiat Panda. I want to feel like I'm living in Italy. So he wants, he wants a car that the passenger mirror has been taken off on the side of a building several scrapes all around it, but there is a government mandated when we lived in

in Italy, the Fia Punta that we owned, didn't have a passenger mirror from the get from the factory. Oh, I have a dream that one day I will take my some car that I own in my retirement, when my kids go off to college, some car that I own, I will ship to Europe and go on a grand tour. And my dream is to do that in my convertible G wagon, which I think could solve every European problem. It would, it is the right car for a lot of. Totally.

It would be so cool. Yeah. And that is like a dream of mine and I bring it up with my wife fairly often. Like this is something I really want to do. And you can fly them too and I want to do that. I have, I share that dream and I have for really long time. As long as I've been in the car. And your car would be?

Oh, you three, nine and five, of course. Heck yeah. God's chariots. And by the way, you don't see those in Europe. No, you would be cool as a half. I've never seen an M5 in Italy. In Switzerland. In Switzerland and Amsterdam, the other parts of me.

If I was driving around Europe in a Fiat, Grand Pood. Last time I was in Europe, they rented me in a, an opal station wagon. Sounds wonderful. Okay. And I saw a dude on an E39M5 with U.S. plates. I'd be like,

well, would be really, California. I have been told if I do that, I have to get replica plates made because they will get stolen. People say that. I've never heard of it happening.

I've known some people who have done this and I've never heard of it happening. I don't want to risk. No, I would do it. Yeah. But, but,

yeah, that, so one of my favorite YouTube channels, M539 Restoration's threat. Yeah. Really cool guy. He does just BMWs. My friend Ryan was over in Germany and

visited him and he gave him Ryan his E39 M5 and Ryan drove around Europe in an E39 M5 on the Autobahn bombing through Bavaria. The old way Americans ever get access to cool cars in Europe is some When I worked for Porsche they gave me a Kyan Turbo for the day and I had a day where I had no meetings but my bosses had meetings and they were like

go get out of our hair and I took it on the Autobahn I got up to 155 miles an hour. So Cayet Turbo limited. No way Porsches aren't limited but I just at 155 you're all set You've always had you've proven everything you need to prove to yourself and other road users. I have a belief about music that when you hear where it was from, where it was written or whatever, it just

sounds right. When I listen to the black keys in Ohio, it feels right. Compared to a background, it just feels right. But driving a German car on the Audubon, which is what they are built to do, the M5 in particular, like... And of course, the great sadness is... The great sadness is when you actually go to Germany,

they all drive 1.9-liter Volkswagen Golf Diesel. I don't find that to be sad. All right, all right. I was talking about this... For a nation that makes people wait in parking lots, So the cars can go as opposed to the people. The Germans are sad. They are the engineers, the pinnacle engineers. Build some of the finest cars in the world.

The finest cars. And they don't get to enjoy them. They are all driving around in Volkswagen Ups with a 0.7. With a 0.7 liter engine. That's every car in Europe in Germany. And it's so sad. And seeing a Porsche, like a boxer in Germany is like, whoa. Man, Gt350 R in Germany.

I think, I was talking about. with yesterday was somebody else. One of the cool things about driving around in Italy, especially, in a rental car is every single Italian drives their car to the max. They, to get to merge on the highway and their 60 horse power, they do. They're going to red line in first, second, third, fourth, and maybe 50. It's the exact opposite how you drive. Which is the exact opposite of highway driving in the U.S. But I wouldn't want a more powerful car in Italy. I don't want to drive around in like a M4 rental. The Italian Autostrada is the greatest highway system on the plane. And I want to work to get there. That's insane. I feel strong about this.

memory that is still burned into my mind from 2013 driving that BMW 128 I in the right lane of the autostrata getting passed by right land because there were getting passed by certainly a smart car no how that night it's 120 getting passed by a gt3r s going what had to have been 160 because the great the great thing that no one really knows is the autostrada is the true auto bond the german auto bond is very special because there are derestricted sections but there are very few de restricted sections and there's a lot of traffic in germany because Germans drive places and have money. They have money. Italians have no money. Don't go anywhere.

Autostrad are toll roads. You have to pay to use them. No one is on them. They are smooth as glass and there is no enforcement. The highest speeds I have seen in Europe, top 20, have all been on the autostrata, not the German road. I have a bald bit and medium trim level, whatever. Well, I have the correct answer to your question is that the Miele Amelia takes place in Italy and driving a car in the Melae Amelia for a road trip. a vintage Ferrari popping and crack away of the discovery. It would be cool. I agree.

It would be cool. Or what Harry Mac kept it when he took the 550 barquetta on the Ferrari equivalent that follows the milamilia. That is the dream. That is cool. I agree. But not for like a trip. That's a trip. That's a trip.

A G-Wagon cabrio and go on a true grand tour. Or may 395. Good choices. Okay. Next up, we'll move on to questions. Now remember, you may submit questions to us. If you go to cars and bids.com, click on the community tab. We have a post that has questions and we will answer the highest upvoted questions or the most liked or the most interesting.

All of those. Honestly, we're answering. Make sure you find the right post for the right week. Find the right post and we will post and answer questions. So we will begin with the first question from Rise and Legacy to Kennan. How's Emily? She's wonderful. Next.

Emily is Kenan's fake wife. Yes. To be clear, there's no Emily in my life. I've been asked this question. a million times in that video. I'm sorry if you're friends with Kenan and your name is Emily. Kenan has been, Kenan was kicked out of his place

by his wife and he's sleeping in the office. Doug loves to perpetuate this narrative and I don't understand why. He just thinks it's like entertaining. He's building like this addition. He's like, one day when you get kicked out, you'll come stay with me and, you know, and then we'll be like, oh, Kenner,

you're looking for a new place yet? I don't know why. He likes the struggle. He wants to see me struggling. No, I just think that, I honestly, I think that someone should be living in the office. We have a shower. We have a kitchen. Makes no sense as it is an office.

It's insane that someone isn't living here. Please, nobody live in our office. All right, I would love, if Felipe would ever get a bed, I would live in the office. There is a bed frame over there. All right, set it up, and I'll move it. Don't worry, manual labor. He won't do it. I won't, yeah, I won't.

Okay, next question, actual question. From prancing mees. Oh. What car modifications could I bring to a cars and coffee that would piss off the most people? I've thought about this at great lengths. Do you have an answer? I do not. Please go ahead.

Kenyon. The answer is a train horn. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Train horn would do that. Yeah. And boy, is it annoying.

But I think the questions more along the lines of like what, like, would make car enthusiasts purists. I think it's, the over, catch-all category is something really poorly done. We were talking at a set. That's so true. Like, to get to the extreme of that, we did a, when you owned a Hummer, we did a hyper-miling challenge, which included putting boxes along the side. Yeah, I bet. You show up to Card to Coffee and that. That just looks bad.

Yeah. It's like, car enthusiasts hate when stuff is, like, spray painting paint. Right. If you did spray painting. Or plastic dip now. Even more than that, I think the one that demonstrates at all was the Carbrose Fieri. Because they took that to Monoran. Just drive around.

That looked cool. No, no. People were not happy. Some people were happy. Some people got it. A lot of people didn't. We're just like, you remember them just driving like down Canada. And I think the point stands that some,

Something poorly done. Any mod that is just really poorly done will just really upset the hell out of people. If Kenan saw a very dirty car at Cars and Coffee, he would be very angry about that. Which is why I don't drive to coffee. If you are there to look at it, why do you think I don't drive there?

Unless it aids in what the car is about. Like, if I see an off-roar that's dirty, that's cool. It's legit. But, you know, my car is not acceptable. Right. There's a subreddit that's awful taste but great execution. that's acceptable. You can have horrible taste. If you do it well.

Carefully, nicely. If I showed up with a Camaro that I literally spray painted the paint, that would be like, what's this? What is this? What did you do to this thing? Do your mod. Why'd you miss this thing up? Do your mods well. Do your mods well.

And clean your car. Especially if it's a dedicated community that will really upset. Okay, here's a great question. From Abra-cadabra P-9-11. How do you think the cyber truck will age when it's 10 plus years old? I saw yesterday A 10-year-old savage. Perhaps you saw this too.

An H-2 because we were driving to the same place. A bright yellow H-2 with yellow wheels and a giant like roof thing and like a spare tire, yellow spare tire carrier. And I was thinking to myself, that's the cyber truck in 20 years. You're 100% right.

Yeah. You're 100% right. I don't disagree. That said, there is surprising demand for the H-2. They sell real till they won't. They're worth money, but not. But I think, yeah, no, you got a point. It is kind of a meme.

And right now, it's cool, as with many things. It's cool now. It will go through a period where it is very much uncool. The coolest stuff doesn't have a peak where it's just the coolest thing in the world. Like, the coolest stuff, you know what I mean? Like, the coolest stuff kind of just stays at this level of cool. And sometimes you don't have the coolest thing, but that thing will eventually lose its allure, which happened with the H-D.

I mean, you can name a hundred cars. The H-2 is the Cybertruck. It was so popular when it came out. Yeah, that's true. People thought it looked insane but was practical enough, had fast windows. It did, actually. That's true. And, like, it was a Tahoe.

Like, it was acceptable. You could drive it around. Yeah. But it looked cool. But then it aged quickly. Yeah. And I think that is a cyber one. Well, also, yeah, also all.

Yeah. Up to that point were military great stuff and then they did the age one up. But that was, like, the first civilian. Yeah. Yeah, it made it cool. And it was the thing to be seen in back then. For about two years. I mean, the celebrity cars, Instagram shut down.

but like if you go on a lot of the celebrity car pages from then, a lot of celebs are driving around on H-2s. And then, oh, wait, it happened. I think that the cyber truck, the thing that, it's so hot now, but that, yeah, that's, once we've familiarized yourselves with the design

and it has started to get old for us, also, there are some concerns about how the stainless steel exoskeleton will age. In addition to, like, the... Why do people say that? Why do people say that? Because it won't be taken care of correctly.

There's like a different maintenance. It's like early mat paint. I don't know anything about, anything, okay? I mean, sorry, can we just make sure we clip that, please? But I'm going to posit something. Send it to me. I'm going to posit something.

Stainless steel. Your refrigerator's made out of it. My refrigerator, it's got to be 15 years old, looks great. Does your refrigerator drive around? Okay. The DeLorean was stainless steel. You see them around? They look great.

Only because the ones you see around have had years of meticulous care. We had... No, you're right. The DeLorean is a car that is known for people taking meticulous care for it. for a long time. The ones you see driving around now, yes. And there certainly wasn't a period where they were selling for three grand and sitting in fields.

I agree that there will be a higher level of care applied to a Delorian competitor to a cyber truck. However, he does, I don't disagree. I have seen some beat Delorians and they still look pretty good. I think, you know that was still. I think this whole cyber truck thing is much to do about nothing. I think it's going to, I think it's going to physically

look good. I just think the design is going to age quite poorly. And people are going to say, well, the Kuntash, what about the Kuntash? That didn't age poorly. They made 1,900 of those for the planet. Cybertruck is going to be one of these things we see anniversaries. Anniversary's aged poorly, yeah. Which is just a straighter version of that.

Straighter. We like them straight. Okay, next question. So we're all in agreement about this, it sounds like. Yeah. Next question. That is correct. Okay, next question.

If the recession from Renat underscore 3UZ underscore lover. Wait, sorry, it's his recession. if the recession started today and Stalantis had to shut down some of their car brands which brand would it be Chrysler which produces nothing there is a single Chrysler model for sale right now right the Pacifica

I mean you got a man they can't be selling that minute they could just rename it the caravan and we'd all be good and by the way I still have badges left over to say that they could just consolidate it all to two brands Dodge and G that's it

the ram brand is stupid I think they should consolidate the Plymouth in Jeep. Oh, nice. Yep. The RAM brand is stupid. The SRT brand, as I think dead. The Chryslert brand was never its own brand. Oh, it was. They tried to make the final Viper. Oh, that's right.

That's right. That was one car. Yeah, it was just one car. But if it had been successful, they would have taken it further. Do you think that Fiat should exist? Launcher should exist? No. Well, launchers just rebadged Chrysers already. Right. But they are relaunching their new, only new car in three decades. in Europe. I'll let him keep Fiat in Europe. In the States, that little Fiat 500E, which by the way, they emailed me and they said, I got a press car coming.

Yeah, I know. I'm excited. All the press, the initial reviews came out yesterday, and I read a couple. Were they good? They're exactly what you expected. They should call that the Dodge Nia. Oh, in the States. Now, that's the idea. Because there's no Fiat 500 like love here. Nobody cares about that. Everybody cares about the...

Oh, yeah, no, you're right. We all have Italian heritage. You know, honestly, I saw a bunch of them today. No, no. Those are a few 500E. I mean that there's... The new one. They don't have like a long hit. The reason they called it that is because it was a retro version of a car that was very popular in Europe in the 50s. Just like the Volkswagen Beetle.

Here nobody has that connection to it. Right. And, you know, the headlights look like neat. It could be neon headlights. Call it the neon. I just solve all of the edge. And by the way, RAM is the stupidest thing ever. No one calls it RAM to this day.

It's still Dodge Ram to everybody. It's deeply insane. What other brand? I feel like we're missing a brand or two. No. Dodge. Alpha. Yeah, but that's not a thing either.

Yeah. They just reveal their new EV, but it's crossover, but it's only for Europe. And so I've solved crisis problems. Now, that leaves them without a luxury brand, but one could argue that they don't have one now and have it ever. Okay, next question from 65 Shelby GT350. If you had to buy an electric car, this is a surprise coming from 65 Shelby G350. If you had to buy an electric car, which one and why? I would get a BMW. I-5 touring or I-5 touring doesn't exist yet. IX. You would get an IX. M60I? No.

Yeah. Do I have to pay for it? No. Just like I can have it. I really like the Audi R SGT E-Tron. I've really, I think it's one of the most beautiful four-door cars currently on sale. They're also very underrated, great performance. Also, you didn't have to pay for it because they're very expensive depreciation is brutal.

But I think they're really cool. That'll probably be what I would get. if I weren't paying I think I'd probably get an R1S like a well-spect R1S if I were paying like an Ionic 5 You wouldn't get an R1S

It's too big You would never do that You would never do that An Ionic 5? I think so like a nice 5-end My answer's right You wouldn't get an IX No I would I do not with the IX

Really? It's so cool As a human with eyes I'm trying to think what I would actually buy I'd buy the cheapest one that has the most range Like I would actually opt a lot more the cheapest one that's most range. Model Y or Model 3 becomes attractive. About now.

I know. Kenan and I drive around R-Setron G.T and an I-5-2. We're cool. Yeah, but I'm more efficient. I don't care about that. I do. And that's our podcast, ladies and gentlemen. Is there any other parting shots?

Does you want to go to another couple questions? No. Okay. Is there any other parting words, thoughts, experiences? Emily's fine. Emily, killing it. She's going to let Kenan back in, but someone can sleep in the office. Congratulations.

Someone can sleep in the office. Bye, everyone.