THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - New Ferrari! McLaren F1 For Sale! V8s Return!

Episode Date: July 4, 2025

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and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Nick, filling in for Felipeo, who's celebrating his birthday by taking a bath of marinera sauce, one presumes. Jesus, God. Well, this is off to a good start. Nick is joining us today. Yes, Felipe is away.

He's gone. He's on vacation. I don't think he's doing any Italian stereotypical things, not that that is. But Nick is filling in. Now, we know Nick. Nick had the Bentley Arnage, and he got other crazy stuff,

including a Lamborghini Mercilago. and we're going to talk about that in a minute because Nick did a manual swap on his Mercy Algo. He was one of the guinea pigs. One of the first manual swap mercies in the world is Nick's. We're going to cover that soon. But first, the news. Get it started with Ferrari.

Yes, the Ferrari Amalfi. Now, this is a new model that replaces the Roma. And when I say replaces, I mean that in the gentlest of terms, because boy, does it look the same. And there aren't that many differences. So this car still uses V8 power, which is good. 631 horsepower, which is only 19 horsepower more than the Roma. They made a big deal out of.

They lightened the camshafts by 2.9 pounds and things like that. But really, the only major talking point I think of this car is they listen to their customers who are complaining about the capacitive buttons that were in everything. And they brought back an actual physical button for the engine start thing, which Ferrari made a very big deal about. Talk about a niche thing to underline. But we're getting physical buttons back in Ferraris, which I'm a huge proponent of. The other important thing about this car, I think, is the front end has now been restyled to mirror the front end of the Piro-Songway.

The Roma's front end was like a kind of a game-y-mail situation. And this front end, I presume, is going to now be sort of the Ferrari corporate front-end. Sort of looks like the 12-cylindry also. Yeah, at least for maybe the front-engine cars. This is what they're going for. And it still looks very nice. I thought the Roma was a very pretty car, too. and I think that this looks quite nice.

But again, admittedly, it's not that big of a change over the Roma. I think a lot of people will probably confuse the two in showrooms. But nonetheless, it still looks nice. I'm glad that they're continuing this V8-2-seater GT line of Ferraris. I think it's a good one for them to have. And allegedly, it's going to go on sale at the beginning of 2026, and U.S. delivers will start sometime just after that. What do we think about the fact that Ferrari just kind of seems to be naming all their cars after Italian places?

We have the Portofino, then the Roma, now the Amalfi. Yes, yes, we have the four, it started with the 458 Italia. I guess that's where it's the locations. I mean, they named cars like the Fiorano was their track. Yeah, they've done that before, but now they've really just, they're digging deep, like Roma. They're just going for it. They're just going to name cars after Italian things. Now, in years past, this car would have been called the Roma M, based on Ferrari's previous

naming, but I suspect that in order to reach for more customers and get more sales, giving it a new name makes people think it's newer. And so that convention is probably being abandoned. And instead, we have a completely new name. I suppose, yeah. And I'm like you said, it's rare that cars are fully new these days. Like if I view them as facelifts and you know, but manufacturers view them as new. And so I guess that makes sense with the naming.

At least it is something Italian. This is definitely a facelift. This is definitely a deep face. Yeah, exactly. The buttons thing is a big deal, though, because I am not one to complain. about a lack of buttons in cars. I think that too many buttons is an even bigger problem than not enough buttons. However, modern Ferrari models have been off the deep end with buttons.

Like, with touchscreen. They're not touch screens. It's like a capacitive pad, basically. And, like, even the engine starter was, like, a screen that you, like, tapped and held. And it had gotten a little bit difficult to use. Right. Well, again, if Ferrari is a sports car, it's about the experience. And, like, just feeling like you're doing something to start it is part of it. So, like, I'm glad that they actually did.

It's rare also that they make their concessions and listen to their customers, I think, for stuff like this. It's a small detail, but, like, nonetheless, I think it does make a difference of how you interact with the car. I do wonder, is there going to be a decline in values in the screen era Ferrari? You have to assume that if they're doing this for this car, they will then do this for other ones.

In 20 years, are we going to look at the screen era cars, which will only be a few cars, right? It'll be the Roma, the 12th-cylindry, the early Puro-Songway, is presumably they'll facelift that and give it button. again? And are those going to be kind of like the lesser-desired cars, especially if those screens start to break, which one has to assume they might. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's, if I were going to put money on it, I would say, they're going to break. But I do think that there will be a

definition of the screen error cars. I wonder if there'll be like a Porsche design equivalent of like a retrofit to put buttons back on the cars in 20 years. It would be cool if you could, but I bet it would be too involved. But the steering wheels, easy. A couple cold ones. Also, a couple torques bolts. Can you imagine the amount of R&D they did to add those like capacitive screens? And now they're just like, no, give us the button we've used since 2005. But based on what we hear about Ferrari's profit margins, they can do stuff like this. And they just at some point, the screens are cheaper to make. And they seem more futuristic.

But at some point, if the customers are all saying one thing, you got to listen to your customers. Yeah, but even Ferrari. I was going to say, this is exciting news for old people who have golf memberships and are buying cars out of obligation to buy something more special instead, but I don't... Not an exciting car. It is... I don't know. I think it's a lot of fun.

I'm excited at you when you see a Roma because this is the same car. It's so funny. Everybody thinks the base model version of whatever is not exciting, and I find it to be so funny because, like, it's still a Ferrari... Like, this car is 630 horsepower. I have a twin turbo V8. Like, what are you driving over there? It's got more power than your...

A B-12 duck. That's what I'm driving. I mean, like, but everybody says this. Like, you get kids on the internet being like, it's just a boxter. And it's like, what do you got? Oh, I'm driving my dad's Accura. Oh, well, okay, it's just a boxter then, huh? All right, move on.

Acura. All right, moving on, McLaren's. I want to talk about this. Nick, did you see this? I freaked out about this. Nobody else cared. Maybe no one will care here today. Tom Hartley, Jr., who is a noted seller of automobiles.

The only noted seller of automobiles aside from cars and bids, I believe. He has got this McLaren collection, and it's one of every special McLaren in the whole world ever. And they're all finished in this gold, goldish, bronzish color. And apparently it's like the last of each one. And they basically all of them have delivery miles. And it was, they were all owned by some guy who was part of the McLaren Formula One team. I don't get involved in Formula One. I don't understand any of this. But the point is they're all, the guy died. They're all for sale, including the F1. They are all for sale in one collection.

And that's pretty cool. So you have to buy all of them at the same time? You can't just buy one? I'm curious. Like, do you want to call Tom Hartley Jr. I'm curious. Like, I, if you called and said, hey, look, I don't want the saber. Which I'm sure that will be a common question.

My guess is that the first, my guess is that for a while, they'll try to sell the collection as a whole, but maybe they'll take some names. Like, obviously, the interest will be higher in certain cars. like the P1 and the F1. Yeah, one in particular is really interesting. When's the last time an F1 sold publicly? You know, it's interesting that you bring that up. An F1 was available for sale publicly less than a year ago, was it?

It was, it was RM had it like private sale and they didn't do an auction. Now there's this, and I've heard rumors that either one or two more will be coming up for sale soon, which is interesting because it had been quite a lull. There had been a long year period where no McLaren F1s had gone on sale. Do you think it's because they all need service and they like, McLaren can only service so many at a time and they've been waiting to like refresh everything and now the people are willing to sell them maybe it's something to do with that I don't know I mean they're just rare I think that values go to a level where they get out of whack with people's net worths you know what I mean

and I legitimately think that's true like I think people bought these cars when they were two million dollars and and if that became a 30 million dollar asset and your net worth is 60 million you start thinking to yourself this is silly you know that's cool as this car is like My kids don't want this crap and it's time to move this thing on. In this case, the guy died and I think literally the kids don't want this crap and it's time to move this on. Yeah, it's, it'll be an interesting sale. I mean, I would love to see it move as one collection. Tom Hartley just recently did all Bernie Eccleston's Formula One cars and that sold as one collection.

All of them went to one person, which is pretty cool. Did you see the video for this? Tom Hartley knows how to present some stuff. Yeah, he does. He really does. What is this racetrack? There's a racetrack. It's night.

There's the McLaren F1. You got him right there. He's standing there. talking about all the cars. He could have been selling mail order stakes in that video, and I would have been buying. I mean, just great showmanship. Great showmanship. Tom Hartley's legit.

He sells a lot of really legit stuff. In the States, generally speaking, to sell really, really high-end cars, you go to auction. That's like the normal way to do it. In Europe, there are a couple of dealerships that actually sell these things as cars, and auction is a less common format. There's like several very popular, very really ultra-high. And Tom Hartley is one of them. There's a few others.

Okay, give us our next news story, please. Ah, yes. Ah, yes. Look at the Montezamalo, the former chairman at Ferrari. Now, big news with him this week. I'll stop yawning. This is important. He is going to McLaren. He recently joined the board of the McLaren Group Holdings,

which is a parent company that controls McLaren automotive and has the vested interest in the Formula One team and things like that. Basically, they're bringing him on to continue the battle against Ferrari and Lamborghini, specifically with road cars. And this is a big deal because what he did for, if you like Ferrari in the modern era, he's the man you have to thank for it. Not only did he do great things with the Formula One team, which again, he's not specifically involved with here, but all of the road cars like from the early 2000s, late 90s and early 2000s, he's responsible for. So he also refined Ferrari's product line. It was very easy to determine where their cars fell. There are so many different McLarence. Did he give us the Formula One transmission?

No, Formula One gave us the Formula One transmission. buttons. No, that, that, that, those existed. Those predated him because. Did he give us, by the answer to all these questions is yes. Did he give us the heinous 612, 612, skyl, skylia, look. You know. Yes, but he also gave us the 550 Marnello.

He gave a, he completely changed the way Ferrari did things. They were building wedge-shaped cars. He took it into the modern era. He proceeded over Formula 1 while Michael Schumacher was there. Like, he built, he also, like, built the brand. Like he came up with the Ferrari store where you could buy like apparel and stuff. It doesn't sound like a big deal, but how many times you see Ferrari hats and things like that? It's like he gave people ownership in the brand even if he didn't own the car.

What's he been doing the last 10 years? They fired him. Ferrari got rid of him when they axed him and a bunch of others when they changed. They decided to change things around, especially when Formula One, they weren't doing so on Formula One. He was one of the people they let go, which was very sad. And I think he's bitter about this. I thought he retired. Didn't he retire?

No. I don't think so. He retired. He had had like 50 years there, and he was ready to go, and it was, it was time to move on. He is on the older side. He's 77 years old, so joining. All he needs to do is put a manual transmission in a car over there, and he's going to do pretty well as a. Or make them make, you know, not a gazillion models of the, of cars.

I mean, can you name their current product lineup? Yeah, if you just put a seven, six or a five in any order, you're good. No, we can all name the current product lineup. Let me do it for you. Artura. Right. That's it, I think. They still make the GT, I think.

No way. Is there a 750S? I guess there's a 750s? I guess there's a 750s. That's it. They discontinued the 765. He might be thinking of the 675, nobody knows. Although I don't feel this is a very exciting new story, I must admit,

Luca was an enormous force at Ferrari who did bring Ferrari into the modern era and was responsible for a huge transition from Ferrari being a boutique automaker to a more real one. although much has happened since he departed from Froy but it is interesting to see him going to the competition if that's what we call McLaren. Of course, Kenan does not. Kenan does not recognize McLaren as competition. I do not know.

They're doing great in F1. I mean, he's got some wind in the sales there. That's true. We don't. But he, that is, well, that is true. You know, it's the road cars he is focused on. They're not making an SUV that looks loosely like a Mazda CX-5. Well, maybe get ready.

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No, not Doug. Doug's Marvickrer GT guy. But this one owned by Supercar Ron, an internet personality of sorts who's got a pretty impressive collection. It was being driven by his photographer pretty late at night, as you can see in the picture, and got sideswiped by a fuel truck, like a semi-truck, basically.

And the trucker left the accident, as one does when you hit a multimillion-dollar car. And they put out an alert, basically saying, hey, there's a couple dash cams. We didn't get the plates, but like it kind of looks like this truck. Then a few people found, oh, hey, like a quarter mile down the road, there was a truck pulled over, but they didn't have the plates. So they put out like a bulletin basically saying like anyone who has dash cam footage

was in salt like at this time sending your stuff. Turns out they found the truck, the trucker, and got the insurance information. The wheel is blown out. The door, the rear quarter. It's going to need a lot of work. I doubt it's salvaged, especially when you think of the gas monkey car and some cars that have been much worse. But it's not going to buff out, that's for sure. Can I ask a question that I think is on everyone's mind?

Sure. This was in Salt Lake, late at night. Was Stradman involved? Pizza delivery. It was actually, the fuel truck was full of marinera sauce looking for filippo. So they found the guy And Supercar Ron is going to be made whole by J&L trucking ink or something like that.

Oh, yeah. I can't imagine that insurance claim and trying to declare the value of it. I mean, I guess the only thing he is going for it is he bought it fairly recently. So the comp or the value of what he paid shouldn't be that different. Yeah, if he goes after diminished value claim,

I'd be curious to know what the backstory is with this F40. Obviously, it's a non-standard color. It's got a lot of modifications. Was it at salvage car before, is my question? Like I... Probably. Most of the F40s that look like this have not had great histories, to be honest. So I'm kind of curious.

And now this one doesn't, even if it did before, now it doesn't. Well, now it finally fits. It's in its final form now. Surprise they were so public about it. Of course, we all know about a yellow career GT owner here in Southern California who covered up his accident. It's nice that it's nice that they were public about it because I think, you know, transparency with your audience is a big deal. But that's an expensive thing to be public about it. And if they go back and forth on diminished value, it could be a long fight with an insurer. The other good news out of the story

besides them finding the culprit was those wheels have been destroyed. So he now is an opportunity to put stock wheels back on it. I'm not going to comment on that. I consider supercaron a friend after the, he let me drive his Valkyreary, which was amazing. The wheels on this F40, it was more than just like, oh, I'm pissing off purists. It was... Okay, move on to our next news story. Please, God, give us, oh, an accurate TLX. No, this is Mercedes-Benz.

I'm told. Here's the thing. Mercedes-Benz did... Some guy from Mercedes-Benz did an interview this week. Did you see this, Kenan? I did. Some guy from Mercedes-Benz did an interview this week, and they basically said, by some guy, I mean, the chief executive of AMJ,

and he said, look, he said, we heard you, we feel your pain, we understand what you want, we're done with the four cylinder. And he specifically said, we believe the four cylinder is the greatest for warming engine and blah, blah, the technology, tour to force, he used all these terms. But he admitted that they were going to switch back to the V8 because they've heard the market loud and clear. I drove that C63 with the four cylinder. Wasn't good.

No, I mean, I did you drive it when you had it, but I didn't want to. And I think it's because like It's just not appealing like I give The C63 in particular Compared to the M3 is all about V8 it's about the motor And like and so I'm glad they are It's rare that Mercedes Benz admits they've made a mistake

So but it is it I'm glad they're listening to the customers And they're going back to testing V8s Which is exactly what this picture is of here Although it looks like maybe a Kia Stinger I can't tell something along those lines But they are testing V8 We're back maybe Maybe I'm going back to the old

days when they did like v6 then v8 then v10 and remember that and there was this like crazy escalation and we all thought the world was going to end the famed mercedes v10 definitely something i remember you know well you're too young for this but nick and i will lick and i will regale you okay there was a time i'll never forget this mercedes came out with the these the supercharged v8 in the e55 i remember that was a massive shock to the world because it was way more power than anything before and then BMW came out with a V-10. And you really legitimately thought that there was a possibility

that the next one of these cars was going to have a V-12. Like, it was truly on our minds as enthusiasts. And they were putting that V-12 by turbo into a lot of cars, like the CL-65. I saw the other day one on the road, and it's like, I can't imagine how much that guy is spent keeping that road-worthy, but at the same time.

Yeah, that's true. I mean, then BMW comes out with that V-10, and then that same year, Benz comes out with a twin turbo V-12. And it's like, oh, my God. Where is this going to end? And the answer, we didn't know it at a time, but the answer is it was ending right there.

That was the end. Two years ago, we were talking about every car was getting EV'd and smaller displacement. Now we're back to the good old days of make it bigger, make it bigger. How funny, right? Like when this podcast started almost all of our early news stories, do you remember this, Kenan, were about how EVs were taking over. And it was this EV or that EV or whatever.

They were dark days. And here we are. Now, last week, to be clear, Last week we covered Mercedes coming out with that 1,300 horsepower thing. Electric. Well, yeah, and mine, yeah, that thing is still. Yeah. They're still doing it.

They're still doing it. But at least we know that a V8 will exist in the Mercedes-Benz lineup somewhere. Praise the Lord. As it belongs. Hell yeah, brother. As it belongs. Damn right. Mercedes-Benz was always famous for their big engine muscle cars.

And it's going to luxury muscle cars. It's going to take a lot for them to go away from them. Yes, muscle cars that have a, funny European accent, you know, so that's what they have. But lovely. Next news story. All right. What else you got for us?

Speaking of muscle cars. Yeah, and the same news story, but just for Stalantis, much like the V8s are coming back. A spokesperson said SRT is being relaunched, and I have some notes on that, that they're revitalizing the brand. They're super excited, expect more big displacement, high horsepower cars. I'm a little confused because I went on their website. they still sell SRT Durangoes. So I don't know how it's coming back

if it never went away in the first place, but I guess even they forgot about the Durango, it's that unmemorable. But nonetheless, they're also walking back EVs a little bit. They're putting actual gas engines in cars, and they're bringing back the SRT nameplate, presumably to more cars beyond the Durango, which is all good news for enthusiasts.

What a crazy thing. Nobody ever writes books about the auto industry, but I would love to know what's going on inside the head. head offices of these auto makers who have who made all these switches to EV and went all this EV direction and then Trump comes in and then you have the market wants no you know, EVs kind of fall off and then the tariff thing happens. And the last couple of years must be just a whipsaw of insanity in the car. I'm sure they're all throwing each other under the bus. The people that get fired because they got pinned with the blame, just go over to the other automaker, get hired and be like,

oh yeah, that wasn't me. That was the other guy. And like just repeat the same thing over and over. Also, like, it's hard to even not make the mistake. Like, like, coming out with the EV Charger seemed like the right move two years ago, because that's where the market seemed like it was going. And now, how could we have ever predicted that, like, the whole world would kind of upend itself? And now here we are with... This is great news because Dodge-Sach-Stalantus has been struggling. But if there's one thing they can do, they can put a ridiculously large engine in a car that

doesn't have a lot of other benefits or features and do well by it. That's exactly right. They can do that. They can do that. That's right. Well, then they're going to. I'm excited to see what they come up with. My suggestion to them, and I'm not sure where you guys send this,

but my suggestion to them would be bring back the Challenger just exactly as it was. Don't do anything differently. Add a convertible option. I kind of have a question. Do you think they're going to bring back the Viper? If they're building a new facility to build these cars and they're going to continue, if they're like, well, we can build engines now that are really big, why not build another V-10, you know?

You know, the problem with the Vipers, I think they've gotten burned on the Viper. Like, they brought it back a few times. And in every case, it never really was successful despite purported market demand. But it wouldn't surprise me if they bring back the Viper. Another thing is, you know, they did all these last call edition. I mean, that would, like, the last two years has been the last call of the Charger and Challenger. Hellcat. What?

The next edition is going to be called the Just Kidding. Yeah. I mean, like, if they're bringing SRT back, they can't, presumably, they have to have about match the power of the previous cars, right? Like, they can't diminish what. So, last call, well, yeah, just kidding. I got it. Maybe they'll be, that'll be interesting. It'll be interesting.

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Okay, give us our next news story, please. Oh, Bentley. Nick, you're a Bentley, man. Donning my Bentley regalia, including the most ugly back of a shirt you'll ever see for the viewers. He is a union jack across the top of his shoulders for those who are listening on the audio. As an Arnage owner, a Bentley owner myself,

I can't tell the difference between these four logos dating back to 1800s. Okay, well, you know what? I have to say, I studied the logos carefully, and I got to tell you, the newest one has actually some pretty significant differences. The wings. So if you look at the old one, first off, there's a little flutter of wings below the bee in all the previous ones, and they got rid of that. Oh, yeah.

There's no tail on the bird anymore. It's just the wings. Just the wings. The tail is gone. And in addition to that, the wings are not like kind of spread out individually. They're just making a triangle. And you know what I realized looking at this? It looks a lot like the Genesis logo.

It does. If you pull up the Genesis logo, I'm like astonished by actually how similar it is, considering they would never want anybody to mistake the Genesis logo with the Bentley logo. But vice versa, Genesis would love that. They would. Like, it's just a triangle. The wings are in the triangle shape. There's the black badge in the center.

Like, it looks kind of genesis-y if I'm being totally much more so than the previous logo. Right. Now, admittedly, the cars they are on will not look the same. Maybe that Genesis G90 is pretty Bentley looking. Nick has confused a few G9. It's got the mesh grill just like my ironage. I'll pull it up for you. Yeah, yeah, please, because I don't know their lineup.

But yeah, no, it's taking cues from certain. If you look at that car and you might think to yourself, oh, that's a Bentley and it's not a Bentley. It's a Genesis G90. Nick was fooled. Yeah, I mean, it feels on one hand like just a lame exercise to do something new. but I'm surprised I just kept the wings all together. I guess they have this sort of like decanter, crystal glass kind of vibe to them,

but I just make it the big B. It's the flying B. That's like the thing. No, I know, but like the, if you look at the inlays, like, they've kind of now made it like diamond stitched almost. But I just, I don't know. I don't disagree. I like this one the most person.

No, that one is so 70s. What's a bigger change? The Roma to the Amalfi Coast Ferrari or the. for. I mean, they're all like so iterative. But if you compare the original one at the bottom to the new one, it is a pretty substantial difference. Bentley has modernized. They're in the modern age and they're telling you that they're not going to take no crap anymore like they used to. That's what they're saying to. Take that Rolls-Royce. Take that Rolls-Royce. You, Ferdinand Piac. All right, give us our next news,

that's the end of the news. That's the end of the news. The news is over. Nick, did you enjoy the news segment? I learned some stuff. That's great. Yeah, yeah. That's why I'm here to learn stuff. That's great. All right. Well, now it's time to move on to the talk cars segment. The talk cars segment is brought to you by the GMC Sierra EV. Oh, no, wait. This is a Silverado EV. Same thing. Neither them's selling. The Chevy Silverado EV. If you want to go 800 miles between Phillips, the Silverado EV is the truck and it only weighs 9,000 pounds and costs $175,000. Nick, tell us about that, was that a good, do you think I did a good job shilling for the Silverado EV? Yeah, I got nothing to add to that one.

Really sold it. Thank you. Thank you. Nick, tell us about your Lamborghini, Mercy-ilago. It's, you famously predicted amongst our friend group that when I shipped it out, that you would be back from Nantucket before I ever got the car back. As your video shows here, you are not in the office. I know your swapper folks did a great job. It was like under a month, but very nerve-wracking procedure, right?

You're sending a car to a stranger almost 2,000 miles away, hoping they're know what they're doing. The car's gone for a while. Most the reputation that some of these places, not the one that you chose, but some of these places have been sketchy beyond even discussion or belief. I did six months of due diligence and spoke to the guy John at Macanamotorworks, like literally every day, probably have spent hours on the phone with them. And I was still just absolutely terrified the entire time. But I had it back. It's 500 miles under it.

We did a 200 mile drive last weekend for our good friend, Braden's birthday. Funny enough, on this drive, it was a very hot day. We lost three cars on this drive out of 20. We lost two. Two broke down and had to... Okay. One just broke down for an hour. eventually got started again.

And it was a German car. It was a GT3RS that had to be bumped started. GT3RS was bumped started. ZO6 blew a thermostat and spewed coolant everywhere. And then we think the Subi lost a head gasket. So it was a tough drive. Like people were pushing it. And funny enough, Will and his M3 was like, oh, my oil was overheating,

but I figured if everyone else was okay, I was too. And then, like, sure enough, two cars died at the top of that run. So it was an aggressive drive. Let's put it that way. We've gone on aggressive drives before, and the mercy has always performed well. The oil light comes on with some regularity to saying, hey, it's getting a little hot.

But it gets there. We back out of it. You back out. It's never standard to you. And now I can downshift with my hands. I guess the pals are with my hands. With my left foot, I can downshift. Regardless, the swath's been going great.

Like, it is such a relief to get it back, to know that it's performing well. Little things, like, yes, it is way more enjoyable around city, but I took it to floor and decor the other day. I took it to Sprouts, which is a grocery store. Like, I can now pull into parking spots without eager lurching into other cars. Or, like, trying to inch into my garage is no longer quite as terrifying. Same with coming down here for this podcast.

Like, I always worry about stop and go traffic and burning my eager clutch. And I was like, you know what? I don't care. I can modulate the clutch on my own. So it's like opening this whole new world where I'm driving it everywhere all of the time. So in a way, it's actually made it more practical. It's made it more practical, yes. And funny enough, so they gave me the box with all the eager parts,

and I sent it to John. I'm like, oh, this thing is trash. I'm going to throw it away. And he's like, no joke, people will pay $11,000 just for the Eager actuator alone. You could sell the eager parts for $20,000. If someone's in a pinch trying to rebuild their eager, you can't buy the OE parts. Like, these are unobtainium. So are you using this podcast to shill for the fact that you have?

Yeah, yeah. Slide into the DMs. There he is. drop a DM to Nick over on Instagram if you want EGear Part. $10,99, one day special. Nick, you have no regrets, obviously, about doing this. You know, no, absolutely no regrets. However, the community, and I'll use that term loosely,

of people in the Mercy World that do swaps, I've had some other people that offer this conversion, giving their unsolicited feedback, sometimes solicited. There are multiple options out there that I think, are great. I also spoke to royalty in Vegas, and they run like a really quality operation. But like everyone, because it's so new is like nitpicking, like, oh, you don't have the ship paddle covers. And like, so it's still like a little like stressful. One of the things that we have learned and just we discussed, we've never talked about on the podcast is that every single

shop, bad mouth, every single other shop always. I've never had an experience where I went to any shop and said, hey, what do you think of these guys? And they were like, oh, they're great. It's always He's like, oh, he's a hack. I'm the only one who does it right. So, you know, I don't trust any other shop. They're fairly collegial, but I feel like 500 miles under my belt, including some hard driving, really makes me feel good. Obviously, the long-term viability means.

I want to talk about this because this is, I think, a real, you know, I got a Lambo V-12. Yeah, you did. And I'm, I'm curious about this because obviously anybody with these cars is, you know, if they don't have a mercy, if they got a Cuntas or Diablo and a Ventador, They've thought about, like the mercy's been in their heads, and I've thought about mercy. One of the things that's helped me back, I always wanted a stick.

Stick values were way higher. Way higher. What do we think that's going to happen now? I mean, here you are driving around, like, trying to sell your E-gear parts. Like, you don't even care. You're, like, done. You're not even considering the concept of ever going back. Like, I feel that the Ferrari market has been upset completely for cars that have, are swapable.

I wonder what happens to the manual mercy market. Like, here we are. Like, this is happening. You've done 500 miles, half of which have been, like, hard miles. Like, how many miles is it going to take before people think, hey, this is a real option? And if you're a serious driver, do you care that it was installed by Lamborghini or it was installed by someone else as long as it was installed? My theory is, I mean, they'll always command a premium as a factory car, I think, is just being collectible. But I think that they're going to lose value tremendously.

because I think Lamborghini people are less precious about the factory manual converted mercy. The factory manual mercies, yes. Because I think that Lamborghini people tend to be less sensitive to modifications. They tend to drive their cars more than Ferrari owners do. And I think that that's, I mean, the only reason that those cars are worth so much money is because they made so few of them relative to the mercy and the market has thus pumped tons of money. If you're paying $800,000 for an LP640 that was OE manual or a million plus, you're not going to want to drive it because it's so.

so valuable. So I'd rather have a car I could beat on. I hate to say it, but if you got an OE stick LP 640, the time to sell that car is today. Like, ultimately, this is probably market peak. Once the market realizes that this has happened, and I'm not just talking from nowhere here, we've seen it with other cars. Stick 575s. Now, it's not, hasn't been really as true as stick 599s because there's so few factory sticks. But stick 575, stick 430s, those markets went absolute peak crazy and then so many manual conversions showed up that those markets have either flattened or softened in some cases and like you said kennan the Ferrari community is even more obsessive with oh it's a factory oh whenever the stick mercies come up for sale they always have

real miles on them these are cars people want to drive to use to enjoy and i have a suspicion people are just going to want to do the swaps so they can drive the car and originality be damp um i'll tell you this as a guy who's interested who's in this world potentially and interested in cars like this, I probably wouldn't consider a factory stick anymore. I don't really see the point of paying another to $150,000 when I could get a swap done for whatever it costs, $30,000, $40,000. Yeah. I totally agree.

But Nick, I also have to say, having watched Nick drive this car quite a bit recently, I've never seen him happier. Like, he is smiling ear to ear, not to driving the car. It just transforms the experience. I want to tell you something. This is one of my greatest disappointments. I was this close to getting Nick into a Diablo. I'm not exaggerate.

I was just close. He drove one. He sent a text to our group chat. He said, I'm officially searching for Diablo. I'm on the Hunt for Diablo. I was this close to getting me Diablo. I've been begging every person I know who has the money to get a Kuntash or Diablo since I bought my car. Because I'm the only one in San Diego with a car like this.

And I was this close on Nick. I know. I can't imagine it's going to happen now. No, I can't imagine. Because having a manual mercy isn't enough for Doug. wanted a Diablo. I'd have to sell the mercy to get the Diablo, and I couldn't sell the mercy right now.

It's too fun. I want someone in the vintage game. I liked that he's got a manual mercy, but I want someone, like the Kuntosh is not as much of a headache as people think if it's properly sorted. And I, the mercy's cool as hell,

but I think a Diablo would just be so ball. Yeah. Well, I, I, I, the whole swap, I'm so glad it's done. The other thing it makes me think is, is like, I was such an eager, apologetic person for a long time of like, oh, the next generation won't know how to drive a manual,

and, oh, it's actually suited for this. Kind of like your insane argument about the C63 Black Series should be an auto. Like, I was trying to make these, like, crazy. Yeah, distortion loops. But, like, now I'm at the point where I think Egear was a bigger scandal to Vag than diesel gate. Like, it should have never happened. It's so, the car is so well suited for a manual transmission. You got this V12.

It's raw. It's analog. It's over the top. Like, you need to have this, like, like crumb ball in your hands, just click clacking around. Sure, but don't forget at the time when it came out, the demand was everybody, everybody wanted the F-1 style. They needed an auto.

And I got to tell you, Nick, one thing that you got to keep in mind about eager, I assume you haven't driven a revolto, but like, ultimately, an Egear auto is still more exciting than a PDK. And so, like, at the end of the day, I agree with you. Like, obviously, the shifting is more exciting, and the market feels that way, too, greatly, right but but the people wanted autos and and if i had to choose between egear and pdk for a mercy with so much personality and so much fight like i want i want i want to eager that car that car in particular i feel like is just the swap was the way to go so i'm i'm pretty pumped on that what uh

can we talk about sean for a second sean our lovely producer he's over there somewhere he's he's squirming right now you can't see him god knows anyway he's got a tip frog which week which is is our terminology. Better notice the Ferrari 360. Ferrari 360 with an automatic transmission. What do you think he should do? What do you think people should do now that you've done this? Funny enough, on that drive, there was a blue 360 challenge for Dolly.

And this dude was ripping. He drove really aggressively. A week tip? Yeah, the only way they came, yeah. Well, people have done swaps. That's true. That's true. Look at that.

360? Do you think, what, do you think, oh, yeah, there it is. There it is. There's two 360s. You got a red, one and green one there. No, I think it's two frogs. Not sure. Corporate says it's the same picture.

If it were, how to spend your own money, the delta between an OE car and a swap car, the math is a little different. So let's put that out of the equation here and just say, from a driving experience, I will say, Sean did the challenge to Adela TCU tune. That was an absolute gain changer. you got to do that at a minimum. If I were him and or even on the mercies, like if you need a new clutch anyways and your engine's going to come out

and you're going to be dumping the money into it, that's the time to do it. Or a lot of mercies do actually have eager faults, hence why you could sell the actuators for 11 grand. So if you're having any trans issues at all, and it's like, okay, they've got to take the trans out and tinker with it. While you're in there,

you might as well convert it to a manual. Might as well switch to a manual. What is the cost to do it? What is the retail cost to do it? If Kennan wanted to go and swap his mercy right now, what would it cost? So it's very early days, and I think some of the early movers are charging a premium to recoup their R&D. Like Machina spent two plus years figuring theirs out. The kits, I think people are advertising this, and it's safe to share.

I'll give a range and say it's anywhere from 40K on the low end to, I was quoted as high as 100 grand on the high end, that included a valve adjustment. which is like a $30,000 service. So let's say 40 to 70 is probably the range that is an engine out, that is all that, that does not include motor mounts, which you need to do. That's another $900. That does not include a clutch. You can reuse your clutch. It's the same clutch.

But if you want a new clutch, it's about $7,000 just for the physical hardware. Now, and that seems like a lot, obviously. But a tip mercy. A tip mercy is probably in today's market, probably a 175 to $225 car average, right? Or a $580, yeah. or 640, maybe more like 250 to 300. Okay, so 175, 225 for a 580, but, and stick, stick early mercies are coming up.

They sell for what, 350 to 450 probably somewhere in there, depending on miles and that kind of thing? I think you're a little low on all of those estimates, but sure. You think I'm... As an owner. It's 245. It says the owner. At about 50 to each one of those numbers, but yeah, sure, whatever. I can buy a mercy for 175.

Well, yeah, I mean, if it's on Jack Stan, and has a lien against it by a payday loan company, maybe. We sold this 580. What did that sell for? 186 and... Okay. So with fees and shipping, it's 200. With fees and shipping.

Yeah, but 175, sure. And your first service in there and you got a vector in tires, you know? You do, actually. A lot of these have very old tires. Anyway, so regardless, so you're probably in the car. Minimum, you're probably in the car if you wanted to swap one. like 240, something like that. Something.

But it's still a significant, it's significantly cheaper than buying an OE stick. I disagree with you all that I think that the OE manuals will drop in price a ton. I think they'll stop appreciating at the rate they have. If you have a low mile unicorn, it's going to continue to be incredibly desirable. Maybe for the mild up, rougher ones.

A manual SV. Sure. But I think that, yeah, I think for the ones that already are... Even the sub 10,000 mile, like, cream puff examples, I think will be, because those guys aren't buying it to drive it. They're buying it to keep it Christine. Yeah, although I truly have noticed that when Stick Mercy's come up, always Stick Mercy's come up, they always seem to have miles on them. It's very, the one in your picture there, Kenan actually is an exception. That was a low mile cost.

Yeah, 4,500 miles on that one. But typically, when Stick Mercy's come up for sale, they seem to have miles on them. Like 20, 30,000, even 40,000 miles, not uncommon in a Stick Mercy. It'll be interesting. I originally wanted to sell mine on the site to set the first comp for what a swap car would do, but I got it back on my, I just, I can't do it. I want to enjoy it.

I mean, you're in your car. I think you would do okay if you want to do it. I would do okay financially, but then I would have a large hole in my heart, and I'm not sure I want to replace it with a Diablo. The hole in your heart would be filled with a Diablo, dude. You get a Monterey edition. Well, I'm going to go speak to Ed Bowley in here,

hopefully in a couple weeks and see what happens, you know? Okay. He's got two SVs. I think that's one too many. This episode is brought to you by Ava. Cars and good credit score go hand in hand. Having good credit can be the difference between being able to afford the car your enthusiast or not, which is where Ava comes in, helping you build credit fast.

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family. And while he was gone, he let me his garage to do a full paint correction on the M5. So I stripped it, compounded it, polished it, did two coats of ceramic coating. I really went full, Kenon insane on detailing the car. But that takes a lot of time. And you can't move it or drive it while you're doing it. And I was doing it. I didn't take time off. I was doing it in the afternoons and evenings after work. And so Nick lent me his Arnage, because I have always wanted to drive on an Rnage tea. It's one of my favorite Bentley's ever. And so I really want, I was grateful to get the chance to drive it around. But in driving it around, I learned a couple of things about the car. Now, Nick's admittedly is not the nicest example. I think we could say it's, it's a hoopty.

It's pretty nice. You've done a good job making it substantially nicer. I will say that. And your series on my Cars and Biz YouTube channel is fantastic. That said, it is shocking to me that car's competition like not your specifically but they produced that car through o seven and beyond was the phantom the phantom is in a completely different league in terms of how nice it is yeah not even close like the the arnaj is charming the phantom is impressive still 20 years later but the thing that shocked me more than that because i did like driving and i loved looking back at it it's such a good looking car is the amount of hatred from strangers that that car garnered i have never experienced anything like it i came close with the wrx s t i drove around in too

But like in the part of town that like I live in, I drove it around. I think people must have, I don't know if it's that they just look at it and assume generational wealth and they hate that or what. But I have never been and I drove it normally just cruising. I didn't speed. I was very courteous. I let people in. I have never been flipped off, yelled at, scowled at, like had people dive to like walk in front of the car and it's completely unnecessary to do so. More times in it than any other car.

That's so wild. And people just, the abject hatred I felt driving around in it was crazy. And I just, I don't know why because, like, to me, to car enthusiasts, I see things go like, damn, that thing is so cool. It looks like someone's here to fire your dad in Doug's words. But to strangers, at least in this part of town, it was not well received and I could not give the keys back soon enough. And now I'm in my sedate soul for BMW, nobody knows is me. But that's the first time I've ever actually been in any car that I've driven around where people, like, actually hated it. I've had people like be getting pretty excited about a number of other cars.

Like, your mercy, people freak out in a very positive way. It's like, whoa, it's so cool. But even like just normies. But I was stunned. I really was surprised people hated it so much. Doug, I got a story for you that I'm not sure you're aware of. Kenan while he was doing this insane detailing session, he taped every seam and spent literally like seven days.

Seven days, seven nights. He moved the mercy out of the garage so that he didn't get detailing dust on it. being courteous. And, yeah, courteous. To you. He parked it in front of my neighbors who sleep with all their windows open. I parked it at the bottom of your driveway. He parked it near the neighbors who sleep with their windows open.

Two medical doctors that work the morning shift. He cold starts it at midnight. And speaking of getting hatred, the one doctor comes out and just goes, what are you doing? And yells at poor old Kevin. Well, I did. Well, no, the thing was, I realized the car was loud. So I quickly pulled it in the garage.

Now, but then I turned it off, and I forgot that I left the front lift up, which is you're not supposed to do on a mercy for a long period of time. It's not supposed to sit lifted. And I didn't want to scrape the front. I'm just terrified of this car. It's also impossible to see it of it. It's widen. His garage is more narrow than I would thought.

I was very afraid. So I had to start it again to do it twice. On my car, you can just turn it to accessories and do the lift. I don't know if that's true. I tried that. It did not work. You got to have the pressure. You have to have it.

It's a mercy, so you got to have it running. But I felt very bad And evidently I apologize To the... Kenan had a rough week Between all the detailing And all the hate It was a really rough day

I'd had a really long day Where every single thing seemed to go wrong And all I wanted to do Is work on my car And listen to a podcast And I just lost track of time And I felt really bad

But immediately then I left at I set an alarm I left at 930 the following night Yeah And then I apologize to your doctor friend And then he didn't Yeah that's all water into the bridge I am sorry

You didn't get to enjoy it more For what it is It is such a unique and fun driving experience. Funny enough now, because of that drive, our friend Braden is driving it while his STI gets his head gasket repaired. So I'm just passing the keys around. Yeah, yeah. Hey, he's 27 now, all right?

So it's, that's like a rite of passage. It's your latter 20s you drive on Arnaud. The brotherhood of the traveling family. If anyone else would like to borrow it, I'm not putting it on Turo. I actually kind of want to put it on Uber and, but like drive people around for a day just to get reactions, but I don't have that kind of time. Well, I'm sorry that it wasn't everything

you expected, Kenon. I, Nick, Nick has done some interesting things in his life with cars. And the most interesting thing to me, he's not because he's been trying to, but he's owned two cars that I've always wanted own, which were the Yellow Range Rover.

Now, I didn't want a Yellow one, but I was wanted a P-38 and the Arnage T. And both of his experiences have convinced me that I have absolutely no interest in owning either of those cars ever. And part of it's because I was able to get out some of my jollies by actually using his cars. It's not because I hated them. I actually liked, especially the Bentley, I actually liked it. But I realized, and this is one of the reasons I'm off cars. Like, none of these cars are ever

really all that. They never really deliver what you're really hoping they will. They have 40s pretty good. But yeah, I think that. Well, some, I mean, that's kind of my point. I think if you could get to a, I think it's only worth. And I've made this point. I would be on cars again if I could go to that level, but I think it's only worth doing this if it's something really, really, to me anyway, if it's something really, really special. Because going after a P-38, it scratches an itch for, for me, it would scratch an inch for about four hours and then I'd be stuck with a P-308. Yeah, I agree with all that. Like, the, the reward is much higher, but on a $18,000 Bentley or a $7,000 P-38, the risk is a lot lower, right? I can give my keys to a 27-year-old and say,

Have fun. Let me know if anything breaks. I don't care. Versus an F40, you're obviously not having that level. Yeah, that's definitely true. For me, for me, it ended up being, it's just started to become a function of time. I simply don't want to, because I end up spending about the same amount of time on the car, whether it costs a million dollars or $20,000, and I just don't care. The A class and the RS2 had, were big lessons for me. Before we move on to our market report segment, let me tell you about our friends at Car Edge and how they can help you when you're buying a car. Yeah, that's a father-son duo, right? That's exactly right, Nick.

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upsold. It's like showing up to the dealership with insider knowledge. And we're going to pull a car in real time. So what car, oh my God, it's Doug. What car do you think we should pull, Nick? I'm in the market. Let's, uh... You're Ford man? Yeah, let's, I want some American muscle here. Let's do a Mustang. Oh, hell yeah, brother. All right. We'll put in, uh, put an Emily's email address there. All right. All right. Let's see what it pulls up. So you click and get invoice pricing. and gives you all kinds of stuff. So it gives you the MSRP range.

There's the dealer invoice range and the target discount. Nice. It also goes over a bunch of different stuff. Like, it's nice to have some pictures of the car, but it also gives you like breaks it down by trim. You can go browse by each of those, which is really cool. Let's see, what would you get?

Mock E. That sounds like you. Yeah, no, I'm a pass on that, dog. You're a GT fastback kind of guy. Or a dark horse. I get to get a dark horse. I love this. Every time I go in there, the salesperson always loves to use the line.

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No, what are we got? Can you bring, can you give us a sponsor for the market report? Yes, I got a new keychain that is a manual transmission that you can shift with it and everything. Thanks to Sean, tip frog Sean for the nice gift. How ironic. Okay, we don't know where that comes from and they don't pay us. So we actually do not, we do not support them in any way and you shouldn't buy that from them. You should buy things from us if we sell products.

You actually, here, this is your key chain, naturally aspirated, it says. Oh, this is a better key chain. There you go. Actually, Nick has a Cars and Bids plate frame on the Bentley or not. I do. Okay, I want to talk about two things for the market report today. Two things. One of them is Cayenne manuals.

Can you pull up Cayenne manuals? Let me ask you a question, Nick. Do you agree with me that in the back of your mind, there was always an exit strategy with cars where it was like, if whatever happens, I could always buy a cayenne manual. Like, I've always thought to myself, like, if I lose all my money and at least, and I need one car for my entire life everything, at least the Cayenne manual is there to be interesting. And that's how I feel. I have never had that exact thought, but sure.

It's valid. Well, let me tell you something. It's over. It's all over. Manual cayens are now selling for massive money. The secret is out. people are paying real money for these things the last four we've sold they've all been over 25 grand one was over 35 grand there was a time when manual cayens were not expensive cars they had gotten cheap they were all the v6s

nobody wanted them etc etc even if you scroll down through our history you can see some sold in the low 20s some sold even lower than that here i'm looking for in 21 we sold one for 17 like those days are over it's done people want them now they're buying them manual cayans are hot wow well this is a viz It is a V6, and you are responsible for most of these cars existing. I am. Why do Porsche, Porsche people just love the, like, special and the interesting and the exciting and the whatever. But like this 12 that just sold, and the reason I got on this thing, this 12 that just

sold at 105,000 mile Kyan, remember this is a V6, just a white Kyan. If this was an auto, it would be like a $9,000 car. And it sold for 27, which is what turboes. sell for. What is your GTS worth, Nick? Nick's got a GTS for less than this. Yeah, probably. Similar miles and probably 10 grand less than this. Well, maybe, yeah, probably 18.

At least seven less. And you've got a, and you've got a 420 horsepower V8. Yeah. You've got it, you've got a 40% more horsepower of V8 and all more options. I kind of want to swap one of these. Like back to an auto.

Interesting. Interesting. I'm sure you can do that. Anyway, I just wanted to raise the point because it used to be that like mild ones would be deals or low spec ones would be deals. That isn't true anymore. Like the last three, we sold one that was off-road modified for big money, but the three of the other last three we've sold that all have over 100,000 miles, average specs, and they've all sold for real money. Isn't automatic generally considered to be better for off-roading?

It depends who you ask. But nobody's off-roading realistically with a second-gen-gen-kind. The first-gen Kyan was the off-roader. I mean, look at this. This is a small wheel. Dark blue was a standard color. Bayesian is not all that desired. This is, if this was an automatic, this would be a commodity car.

And it's got over 100,000 miles and it sells for 285. Like that's real. You could buy a Kaman S. Yeah. Instead of a base model Kiant. And that's where we are now. Didn't the X-5 of this era also come with a manual? No, only the original X-5 came with a manual.

which was from 2000 to like 2006. The second Gen X-5, they gave it up after that. That'll be my backup plan. But the Kyan, I'm just astonished by this. I know porches are interesting, porches are interesting. But to me, the car is not interesting other than the manual, but I also want one. So I can't complain that people are.

But it's a relatively unique car. Obviously, it's uncommon. But also it's relatively, I mean, okay, if you want a manual SUV, your pool is pretty shallow. There aren't many to pick from, and this of them is the most modern. And they're also relatively reliable cars. I mean, it's got a lot going for it that makes it appealing. Is it more justifiable?

Would I rather have this than a turbo? No, I'd rather have the turbo and give up the manual, I think. But if the conversation starts that I want a manual SUV, well, you know, that's kind of hard to argue with. I'm a Porsche person and I need a family car and I want something. interesting because I have a 993 or, you know, so I get that too. And this is way more interesting than just finding like a cayenne turbo in some unusual color and then going around telling people, oh, it's jet green, it's jet green. Here's what you look at the shift lever.

Like, this is actually interesting. For 28, though, you can get a Pejero Evo. So, you know, pretty easy decision. Yeah, it is an easy decision. I would definitely rather have the cayenne. insane person god uh the other thing i want to talk about kennan you follow the 36m3 sales oh yes i have as a former owner have you seen the recent ones it is astonishing to me the 36m3 has really been on a run recently i mean this is we sold that coop for 27 that convertible which admittedly is a low

mileage purple car but it's a tip convertible we sold for 32 right before that we sold one for 27 and another one before that for 23, the previous tip convertible for over 30, these cars are making a run. And you know, I've spent some time thinking about this. Why? Why now? And especially because E30M3s are falling. Have you been watching that market?

E30M3s are off a cliff. And I think that enthusiasts are finally coming around how cool the E36M3 is, how driveable it is, how fun it is. And I also think there must be some push in the community to be like there's not that many nice ones left. I mean, how many E36 M3's got the ratty modification treatment or impacted a pole at 2 a.m. By a guy who was vaping. Like, there was so much of that.

There was so much of that. And the good ones left are rare. Yeah. And I also have to say, like, yes, the E36's interior build quality is appurant. It's really bad. But the car looks amazing. They are wonderful to drive. They are very reliable cars.

parts availability is still pretty good for most things on this car. Reliability is a component like you mentioned. That's something worth mentioning. Probably we feel that it's the most reliable M engine. Don't you agree? Yeah, because it's not that different to the standard engine. For the U.S. cars, I'm speaking specifically. The Eurocars is a different story.

By the way, that's the other thing that surprised me. I figured that M3 values would rise once the Eurocars became legal, which they now basically all are. They all are. But it's not the Eurocars. that are rising. It's the U.S. cars. I'm sure the Euro cars are more valuable, too, but I'm astonished by this. I am surprised because in my, you know, like you said, my memory, this was one of the cars

that, like, if something happened to you financially, I can always get an E36M3 for 10 grand. Well, those days are over. Yeah, Graham, that's, that was my, that's what those cars cost. That's what these cars cost in my mind. I bought a nice E36 M345 after college for like 12 stick, white, stock, nice car. A couple of dinant parts. Sold it for like 11. That's what they cost in my mind. Well, that's gone.

I mean, 30 is the new entry point for like an okay one. I sold mine. It was the first car I ever sold. Yeah, that one. I sold mine for 12.5 back in like, and I bought that car for $6,500 and did some things to it to make it nice and sold it. But like, yeah. When we started off, I'm scrolling down through, somehow we've managed to already sell 1508,000. M3s. But when we started off, every E36N3 is sold, here are the numbers. 15, 11, 6, 8, 9,500, 11. That's what they were.

And now it's like hard to, like sub 10 is very, very, very uncommon. Well, I think exactly like you outlined, I also notice a lot of these are the later production M3s. But like you outlined, I think it's a finding one in good condition is rare, finding one in a, and also they had the E36 have the best colors. So finding one in a color is significant. I think I just am happy it gets its time in the sun. It's also old enough where it's at that point where people are nostalgicly remembering this car. They remember them in high school and they want to have discretion income.

They want to own one. And you're seeing the appreciation as a classic, as a modern classic, I think. You know what's funny is it's speaking of sub 10 BMWs, it's actually swap places with the E63M6. You can get those. You sold one under 10 the other week. It had like a, busted hood and was not in great shape, but they're consistently going for about 10.

They used to consistently go in the 20s. So you can now, your bargain BMW is no longer the E36. It's the E63. Yeah. I mean, the E63M6 will always be the bargain BMW because it is not a bargain BNW. I want one badly. Okay, we have to move on to questions. Do you understand that?

Questions. Questions, questions. The questions are brought to you by Nick. Nick is our greatest friend and our worst foe. Now, you can ask those questions. If you go to Carsandbids.com and click on the community tab, there will be a post there that says, ask us questions, ask us questions,

and you can ask your questions. And we will answer the best ones, not the most outvoted ones, the best ones. And this week we got some interesting questions. I'm going to start with Eli Meyer. Kenner, you're on there. Stay on there because I want to go back to that. I want to show Eli Meyer's picture.

Eli Meyer says, hey, Doug, not a typical question. Have you seen the B9 Tribeca limousine? It's for sale in Massachusetts for $9,000. I'm going to tell you the story about this car. This is interesting. It just popped up for sale again, and it pops up every so often. And here's the deal. Automakers, globally, but in the United States, are generally their own distributors,

which means that Mercedes-Benz is the distributor. The Mercedes-Benz has a U.S. arm that is the distribution. for Mercedes-Benz Europe. So Mercedes-Benz Europe sends the cars to Mercedes-B-B-U-S-A, is what it's called M-B-USA, and they distribute the car to the dealers. And generally speaking, automakers control that entire supply chain process. There are two exceptions. Toyota does not own their distributorship in the southeastern United States. There's a company called Southeast Toyota that distributes Toyotas and is not part of Toyota, and they are the ones that distribute Toyota products to the U.S. And the fellow who started that's a guy named Jim Moran, and he's richer than God. He's dead, but he's richer than God. This is not where I expected this to go.

The other exception is Subaru. In the Northeast, Subaru does not have their own distribution. Subaru has a company that does their distribution. And the guy who ran the company that does Subaru Northeast distribution had a B9 Tribeca limousine made for himself to go and visit his dealerships back when the B9 Tribeca was a new car. And so he would get in the he would get in the B9 Tribeca limousine. This is all true and be driven around to the dealerships and he'd show up at the dealership's B9 Tribeca limo. Now, obviously the car is 15, 20 years old now. You know, it's not even in production anymore.

So he sold the limo on. And every so often it comes up for sale. And whatever it comes up, it always is in New England because that's where it initially was. And so you have an opportunity to buy into Subaru royalty if you want to buy this B9 Tribeca limo for nine grand. Then there's the story behind that car. Kennedy, you interested? at a deep buy here pay here use car lot in Massachusetts well how almighty have fallen you know

imagine trading that in like what how would you value the trade in I guarantee it was an auto auction and they're like so we have to have this way I'm sure that's not it happens belongs on cars and bids the dealer that has that doesn't know about cars and bids but by God they should that needs to be on cars and bids and they're asking nine grand and I got to tell you that's worth every penny of $6,200. So anyway that's the B9 tried back in the last time it came up, I heard the whole story from someone at Subaru, and this is the, this is, now I've told the story to you.

It's a great story. Next question. From Super M3 GTR 1721. Do you think Toyota in the future will regret making the new land cruiser undesirable or will the land cruiser name and status be fine? I think about this a lot. Yes, next question. They might regret it. Like they have cheapened the land cruiser brand in the United States for a new generation, which is going to allow.

for a long time based on how long Toyota truck generations last. And I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they do regret it, if they ever wanted to try to come out with the land cruiser as a premium product ever again. It is very unusual when you have buyers at a certain price point, and then you kind of drop to a lower price point and say goodbye to those buyers without really a great option for them. So some of us bought Sequoias and... And suffer with those camo fender flares.

Some of us are just trying to make it make do with the 21 land. cruiser and you know, that's that. I feel like it does break my heart too because I thought it, I think it looks nice. Like, I like the idea of it. Then we rode around in that press car you got and it was

just like, it was so disappointing and you're like, I would have actually considered buying one based on how it looks. Then based on how it drives, you're like, nope, I'm out. It's just kind of mediocre and the foreruner's just so much more appealing, although Nick's got a personal story about the foreigner. He can tell us now. I do.

You have a personal story about the new Forerunner, tell us. My friend who had the trans blow? Yeah. She got it early. She's a single lady. Got a lot of attention from the males. It's a good strategy there.

Over Tinder and all the dating apps, just get a new forerunner and go to the dog beach. That's not the story, though. The story is that about two weeks in, the transmission just completely gave out, have to replace the transmission. So she brought it back to the local Toyota dealership and is now presumably in a corolla or whatever.

whatever they gave her. This is still ongoing? I think she got it back now, but it was, I mean, you know, they didn't just have like a new forerunner trans line around. It was a couple weeks. That's interesting. I mean, you told me that and I think about that a lot because it highlights, you know, there's this superstition in the automotive world, don't buy the first model year and all that.

You know, I think of that as superstition and I think it's kind of silly, but then you hear, you hear a lot of anecdotes that seem to back it up. No, that's, I mean, my dad had first year Turing at Bulletswagon Tureg in the U.S. Rough. He replaced it with the first year X-type, Jaguar. Not good. There was one other that he does. And he was like, I'm off this.

Like, there's something to it. Yeah, there is something to it. That 400 thing, I wonder if that's a problem that other people have. But regardless, I do wonder if Toyota one day will wish they had kept the land cruiser as the premium product. If the current Sequoia had been branded as land cruiser, I have a suspicion, it would be more exciting to people. The whole product strategy is so weird with it. It's the Prado here. and like, why are you guys doing this?

This is simple. You're making it unnecessarily complicated and just like do the obvious choice here. That's all. I think they did it because they had the car. They were already selling the Land Cruiser Prado overseas. And rather than develop a U.S. specific model, they just were like, let's call it the Land Cruiser and bring it back to the States.

The problem is they had been doing that with the GX already. And so now they, those two cars are very identical. And meanwhile, we always got the forerunner, which markets that got the Land Cruiser Prado did not get the forerunner. And so those two cars compete. It really doesn't make a lot of sense. They're selling the land cruisers. They seem to be doing fine.

I have a suspicion it's going to hurt four-runner sales, though, and, you know, I don't know. It's not what it once was. I'd be happy to give them $90,000 to buy another land cruiser. But not $120 to buy a Lexus LX. Am I right, Kennan? That's exactly right. Next question. This one's for Kenon, although it's asked to me.

Henry H.H. 490. Would Doug review an F1 car if he ever got the chance to, if he was invited to the Las Vegas Grand Prix or Cirque of the Americas by a team? And Kenan? There are no tracks in San Diego, so no. No, I can't see him ever reviewing a Formula One car. Because for a number of reasons. One, I truly don't believe you would fit.

Two, I don't think the quirks and features are all that interesting to you. I don't think you'd find the... You would like the drink button on the steering wheel, I think. You'd find that to be novel. Yeah. But I can't see... I don't see you doing a Formula One car. I've done a Formula One car.

You would do one? I did one. Well, you did that rolling chassis, but what do you do? Really? No, that's the other thing. Driving it is like, the Richard Hammond video he did many years ago on Top Gear of driving the, it was the Fernando Alonzo's World Championship Renault, like shows how difficult that car is to drive.

Like, they're very difficult cars to drive. I saw the very realistic F1 movie last week. Right. You can be a 53-year-old washed-up vagrant. Vagrant, basically, and not just get in the car and drive with no training or practice, but pass 10, 20 cars a lap. Like, they're pretty easy. It's point in show.

This is a movie spoiler, folks. In the movie, a 53-year-old washed-up vagrant, as Nick said, is going to pass 20 cars. For God's sake. Now you've already seen the film. Well, I think you assume that the good guy wins here and passes people occasionally. If you just, like, was DFL in every race, it wouldn't be a very good movie. But sure, yes, some spoiler right there. DNF?

Ken, am I missing something here? Dead F and last, I think is exactly what he is. That's a Formula One, that's a Formula One technical term. I think I heard from Brunble say that one. It's from sailboat racing, but I presume most sports use this terminology. Right. Okay. Am I correct in my assumption here?

I don't think of Formula One cars on your list. I'm not that, I don't have a lot of personal interest. I would do it because I think people would watch it, but personally I'm not interested. Now, I will say, I was not interested in doing the P1GTR, and then I did the P1GTR, and it changed my life and now I want a P1 GTR. I don't think you would want a Formula 1 car. What about a Formula 1 derived engine

like a V10 from footwork? I do have in my car I have a Porsche that has a Formula 1 engine. Oh really? Tell us more. It's a Career GT and they develop the Power Train for Formula 1 although do you know, you know, the Porsche is now doing all this Career GT stuff. They refuse

to admit that. Yeah, because they're right. They know the facts. No, the fact is the motor was developed for Formula One. But what happened was they were a losing team. Their cars were, the engines were having horrible problems. They got fired. And so they don't want to talk about that.

Right. If it had competed in Formula One, it wouldn't have been it. It would have come DFL, as he said. And. No, it would have DNF. That would have actually would have. I think it would have DNEST. When they did, yeah, maybe.

Because when they did compete, like at the storied Phoenix Grand Prix, which you guys remember, It was testing. It wasn't even a race. No, no, they race. Remember, they were an engine supplier before. The V10 was going to be for the next year, and Footwork was like, look, your engines are so crappy, because they had used them for a few years. Yes. They're like, your engines are so crappy.

You're out. You're out. And Porsche had already developed the engine, which then went unchanged into the career GT. Well, then went to be used in Le Mans, right? And then the rules changed. Then they couldn't use it. And then they're like, what are we going to do with this? Put in the career GT.

and then somehow it made more power than it did in either of the 11 iterations. And that is the great story of the engine. It was a Formula One engine. Then it became a Le Ma engine. And it got the most power in the roadcar. Take that, Nick. Okay, next question. Nick, this is a question for you, even though it's being asked to me.

By Rider 17, if the LM002 was more reliable, would Doug have gotten it over the G-Cath? Nick, what do you think? Probably. I think Doug and I would both, Doug and I both agree in the SUV hierarchy, the Bentley Dominator is number one,

the LMO-O-2 is number two, everything else, maybe B-9 Tribeca limousine number three, everything else, DFL, as we like to say here. So, yes, I do think if the LMO-2 was a little cheaper, a little bit more reliable,

I think it would have, like right now it's just a cult following, very few people know about it and desire it. And it's stupid expensive because it was so, the production values were so small. But, like, I am just champing at the bet to buy one. Well, let me ask you about that, Nick.

By the way, the answer to this question for me is actually no. It's not about the reliability. It's just too in your face. I live in this community. I would be shunned. But no one would be mistaking it for the other G-cab and sticking the wrong key in and taking it home. Like, you would be a man of taste with this car.

But, Nick, you've talked about this before getting one of these. Is this still on the table? So they pop up with some regularity, like way more than an F1 anyways. They always have insane ass to them. And I think that they sit for a long, long time. And then the dealers are just full of bravado that it's worth, I know what I got.

There's always been this thought that these are going to appreciate a lot more than they, than actual transactions show that they have. It's kind of like it's everything wrong with the H1 meets everything wrong with the Kuntash. Like it's, it's not a good driving experience, but by God, is it cool? I can't think about a neater SUV.

Right. I would have thought your appreciation would have grown for it now that you have a Kuntosh. Like, I think that it feels like, you know. You know what? I will say, though, I'm a big fan of getting different experiences, and that's why I have three mid-engine two-seater exotic sports cars. No, but they are very different experiences, the three that I have. And the LM, I think, would have a lot of the Kuntash experience without a lot of the fun.

I would love it if someone in my orbit had one. They're very uncommon. Buddy mine saw one in Austria a couple of weeks and sent me a picture. It had broken down. Surprise. Next question. Next question. Next question.

Next question. Next question. Oh, here's a good one from X-ray 48. Doug, did you have to film the Escalade IQ video outside because it was too heavy for the cars and bids elevator? Kenyon? Yes. I believe that is correct. Because our elevator capacity is 7,000 pounds, I believe.

So our elevator capacity is 7,000 pounds, which means that I have absolutely no columns about taking an 8,200 pound car down it, but that's it. Now, Kenan wouldn't go on, if the listed weight is 7101, Kenner would be like, ah, arro! Yes, like the cyber truck, the, like the Cyber Beast weighs seven or six thousand eight hundred pounds. And I weigh about 200 pounds. So I would get out of the car, send it down, come walk all the way around, get it, pull it off. That's exactly what I would do. It's a capacity rating for a reason. And do you want to test it?

I don't. Yeah. Rules are rules. I don't buy any of those capacity ratings. I think they're all BS. But that escalade at a ton more than the capacity. That's a bit. Even for me.

So yes, and it's not just the escalate. That navigator, it's also a length problem. We have a length problem. The Cybertruck can fit, but if you look way back, the Silverado EV and the, what was the other one, the Hummer SUV EV, and there's a few big pickups and stuff I have to still review outside. And it sucks because when I review the cars, Kennan is sitting right there. And I'm looking up from the review. And I'm just sitting there filming, filming, filming, working, working. And I'll say, Kenon, the Ferrari 456.

And we'll talk about the 456 for about five minutes. That's true. Or you were yell at Felipe for something that he didn't do. Something like that. We were talking about that today. The chaos ensues. He blinds me with the headlights when he comes in to make sure they work. Or something that he did do.

But regardless, there's a lot of complaints to Felipe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he just lets them all roll off his back at this point because he knows none of them matter. Now, you want to know a story about my filming location? We'll end it on this. my outdoor filming location, there is an old couple. My outdoor filming location is near a green,

verdant hillside and a creek. And there is an old couple who walks there. They're the only other people who ever show up. It's just me filming my videos and the old couple. And so I will show up there with these cars, and they don't care at all about cars. And so they know nothing. They have zero interest that we talk about like the birds and the and the deer that we sometimes see or the animals that we sometimes see at the at the location. And they ask about my kids and I ask

about their kids and that's that. And so I'll show up with the McLaren Elva. And they'll just walk up and be like, oh, hey, Doug, nice to see you. How are your kids? And I'm like, this car costs three million. And they'll be like, oh, it's great, great. So how's the creek doing? and that's the old couple at my filming location. And actually, you can see them in the background of some of the shots sometimes. That's true. I recently went there to film stuff for our photo guide

because it is a very peaceful place to go and do that. And there is another person. There's another character. There's a guy who shows up on a Hyundai and then disappears. He walks up and I hypothesized that he goes into the upside down or there's some portal to another world that's near there. There are a few sketchy people in that location as well. And actually, that's one of the reasons I was, one day I showed up and there were three cop cars.

I was short up like 8 a.m. I'm like, oh, oh, it's pretty private. Okay, is that our last question? We have time for one more question. Philippe, this is for Nick. Last question, this is for Nick. Nick from Emiston, 4757, what's the most stressed you've been running cars and bids, not including the start of the business?

Now, Nick, you didn't ever run cars and bids, and you've never been an employee. Tell us what the most stressed you've been at cars and bids was. Today, before the podcast, we placed a lunch order, and it was sandwiches. And they had three sandwiches that all looked really good. No, I know what it was. The most trust you've ever been was Perry's 996 when you were the high bidder for the or the underbetter, what for the B5R is 4 at like 85, which was about 30 grand more than it was worth. Hey, by the way.

This one, right? By the way, the other one is coming back if you're interested. Ooh, I'm a potential better, so don't. But actually, the most stress I've been, we did the big Adventure Challenge series. And I have a limited attention span. We've been going for hours filming. It's kind of exhausting. We get to this thing.

Everyone's talking, chit-chat, and have a great time. And someone whispered in the opposite direction, hey, Nick, follow the camera car. I didn't hear it. allegedly it was said we were all stopped the camera car takes off like there's a fire just bolting it up in the circle

having a meeting a production meeting where one person was telling the rest of us what to do but anyway I even said okay does everyone understand and we all went yes including you yeah I didn't process any of that Sean does a Lamont start gets into the camera car flips me off

goes down a runway street the wrong way I got a little flustered. I might have said some mean things to Sean over the radio about how his directions were too confusing. And then everyone made fun of me because the instructions were to follow the leader and that you had some analogy with the train. Yes, I was like, I can't believe this.

It's so difficult. I have to follow the leader. I said, yeah, that is like the coal tender on a steam hook of complaining that it's so difficult to follow the train. Just stay behind it. But it was even better than that because Nick was like,

I can't believe you're making me lead. And we were like, nobody is making you lead. You're following the camera card. That would be like the coaltender saying, why are they making me lead to the train? That was a really fun two days. But yeah,

that was the most stress I've been at Cars and Beds. That's the only moment that happened off camera. I really wish we had on camera because it's so good. Kenan, do you have a stressful moment? Yeah, a lot of it. That first week was pretty rough. the first several months were a lot of work. Yeah, I did a stint that I worked seven days a week.

It was 10 to 12 hours a day, seven days a week for seven weeks. It was a long time. But in the end. And, well, Felipe, it's, Philippo is like his idea of heaven. He just like, actually, that's how he falls asleep. He works and he, once productivity has been achieved, or his optimal level productivity achieves for the day, he closes his laptop, checks his phone on Slack one more time,

and then puts on charge her and wakes up. And the first thing he does is check his phone. Doesn't say a little of his life. makes his phone. He's now having a peni pasta shower. Happy birthday, Felipe. Penet pasta shower. Nick, always love you. Followed by select. Nick, a pleasure. Thank you for participating, Nick. It's been a pleasure. Here is a Notre Dame Irish golf tea. I'm going to give this to you, Nick, as a thank you. And remember, you can watch our podcast again right here next week at all the places where you watch podcasts, and Felipe will be back, and Nick will be excommunicated.

Best podcast we've ever done. parting thoughts on the Jeff Bezos wedding before we go. Yoie. That's my thought. Okay. None. It was car-free. It was car-free. All right.

Goodbye, everybody. Thank you for watching. Goodbye.