THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Nissan is Back! New Skyline, Xterra and Juke! GT3 Convertible Is Here! THIS CAR POD! EP107

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

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Oh, and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippo. I'm Doug. The regular crew is back, and there's a lot to discuss. Let's start with the new GT3 convertible. Philippe, you hear about this? Yeah, the new S-Dash-C.

Correct. Not the SC together, like the old ones. No, that'd be weird. S-D-S-D-S-S-D-S-S-S-D-S-S-K. Okay. They have to say the slash. So, this is essentially a GT-3 convertible. S-C stands for sport cabriolet-e.

it always did. It has the same 4-liter from the GT3, 500 horse, 340 pound feet, something like that. Manual only. Yep. And what do you think? Well, do you know why it's manual only? There's a reason. It's not just for driving involvement. The reason is for

homologation purposes so they could build it on the same platform. The car had to weigh the same as the GT3 touring. Now, it weighs about the same as the G23 touring with PDK if it has a manual and the top record. But what homologation? I mean, for like a mission, if it's There's some, like, yeah.

So in order to keep the N-A engine and not have to redevelop the car, that is the reason it has a manual, thank God. Of course, we're all happy it does. This is a big deal. This is the first time they've done a convertible GT3. They did, on the 991 chassis, they did the Speedster, but it was a limited production car. Presumably this will not be a limited production car.

They have said it will not be. All of the enthusiasts who complained that the Spider-R-S was Tiptronic only. Now we have a manual only. Who is a completely different car? Car four. What do you mean? You know, you. No, no, no.

It's cool, and in Southern California, we'll see a ton of them. But, like, in, like, in, like, the roadmap for Porsche of, like, we want to target this set of enthusiasts. Who, in theory, wants a very track-ready convertible? Well, Andreas Pringer, AP, as you call them, and your Porsche community, says that he always loved convertibles. He had a 993 cabriolet. He likes the idea of being able to listen to the N.A. engine and experience, like, the summer, blah, blah, blah. I don't see Porsche. Ferrari does this.

They have a convertible versions of all of them. their high performance, the Pista and the speciale and the 16M and all the 16thes. Since the 16M on, yeah. And I remember when the 16M came out, I had his very question, and then they sold them all, and now those cars sell for a million bucks. So in a way, it makes sense. Well, you know what I like about this is that it makes people kind of honest with how they're using it. A lot of people buy the Gigi-3 because they are too afraid to go to a track day

because an errant stone chip might devalue their car. This is kind of honest. It's like, you're just cruising around. Those people will still not buy this car, though. they still view themselves as like focused enthusiasts, even though they're just laughable people driving on life. And they don't know how to drive a manual. Yeah, well, that's true.

In a way, that's kind of an interesting component of this car, because typically the convertibles are always the softer cars, they're more traditionally automatics, et cetera. This one is, by necessity, you have to be like a pretty legit enthusiast. To that end, I wonder if they will actually sell fewer of these. The real enthusiasts are going to still buy those coup, which has always been the case with Boxer Cayman, the real enthusiast by the Cayman,

because we need our rigidity, even though they can't tell. and the people who just sort of want the look and all that can't buy this because it has a manual. And so it's kind of, it is going to be kind of a weird. It'll be a weird signal. I don't know what to make if it yet. It might end up being rare and valuable, honestly. It very well may be.

I will say, I watched every review of this car that comes out. And Chris Harris, like, said it up as like, he drove it around Vysock and said, I can't tell dynamically the difference between this and the coup. And admittedly, he was there with Vizak and Porsche, but it's like, I believe that. You know, it's like, I do pretty much believe this. Like, they did a lot of the strengthening was all done in carbon fiber, so again, weight was the big concern here.

But Bobby's stability, the rigidity's gone. This is exactly for you. You have a 9-11 that's valuable. You have $100,000 911. You live in Southern California. You have a manual transmission. You are literally the buyer. I will say we do have pricing on this.

Yeah. And if you compare it to a similarly spec, GG3, because there are some things that come standard on the convertible, it is what, $20,000, $30,000 cheaper than a comparable GT3 coup? Bargain car. It is kind of a bargain.

Why don't you go pick one up then, bargain boy? I mean, it's a bargain at $300, whatever. Isn't it $275 base? Great. You can't participate in that? These are not going to leave the dealers under $400. No, yeah. They'll be flipped for a while, too.

I mean, it's cool. I think it's cool. I think it's cool. I don't have as big a problem with it as I thought. I would initially conceptual, I was like, but then I thought more about the speedstrand. It's like, you know, there's an appeal for people who like. I'm a convertible.

This is what I would buy if I had any interest in a 992. which I have this much. It should be zero. You love the ST though. I was driving my 993 twin turbo yesterday, and I got up next to a 992. GTS, which is like the one. T-hybrid?

Yeah, T-hybrid. With the things in the front. It makes it look like fish gills. And I'm expecting, okay, we had 9-11, you know, and I don't ever like to, the new 9-11 people, I never like to participate in. But I look over ancient woman driving this 992 GTS. Awesome.

And it's like, yeah, good for her, but at the same time, it's like, she didn't care at all about my car. She had no idea why I was even looking at her. And it's like, she maybe couldn't see that far. Well, in Southern California, we were so biased by this, but like, Porsches are often just bought as normal cars for a lot of people here. Like, we just want, like, a fun sports car. But also to, like, be rich.

Yeah, but they're rich, so exactly. So many. Yeah. It's cool. The last point I'll make on this is, like, I'm so glad that it has an N-A-engine and AP was asked many times about this engine if Porsche was going to continue to do this. And he said, he said it will be more challenging going forward, but there's a very good chance we figure out a way to keep NA engines around for the GT3,

which I think in a convertible where you can appreciate the sound of it, it makes a lot of sense to celebrate that engine. I will say, I drove that GTS-T hybrid and it was awesome. So, like, if it comes to a point where the GT3 has to accept turbocharging and hybrids and all that stuff, which you have to assume it will someday, Porsche is the company to make it great. I agree with that wholeheartedly. By the way, worth mentioning for all the fathers listening,

want to carry their kids around. Two seat only. Two seat only, no back seats. Next news story, the big one of the week, Nissan has announced the return of the skyline. Folks, this is a massive deal because Nissan, previous to this, was failing. Oh, wow, Philippa doesn't even... What's the point? And they are no longer failing because they're bringing back the skyline, and specifically they are bringing back the R34 GTR.

Right, and they're very clearly proud of how it is. They're clearly proud of how this one looks. I think we have a rear picture in the next slide. Yeah. Yeah. Well, again, my point stands. In the U.S., it will be coming back as an Infinity Q50. It's what they've said it'll be called here, which makes sense following their limits.

And a couple weeks ago, they said that Infinity would be returning with a, with a sports, with a, like, fun, fun sports sedan, and even suggested it would have a manual transmission. Correct. So we talked about this last weekend. We expected to have the engine and transmission from the Nissan Z-Nismo, which it has a stick now. And that's likely what this will have. If you thought that takeovers were not going to be able to be supplied with cars. The Camaro was gone.

The charger is electric. If you thought takeovers were going to be done in 15 years when all the cars got destroyed, no, no. They're back. There was news literally today of a large car show. I don't remember where. That has banned all VQ engine products. Yeah, which I like, I'm like, great. You know what?

Yeah, I get it. I get it. Well, now they'll have to, you know, keep that. You know what you do with that car show? you show up in an infinity G25. Do you remember that? Yeah, I do. There was a period where they did a G-37,

but they also did a G-25, same car. It was like 2010, probably. Anyway, so this is great news. The skyline's back. Presumably that means a GTR will come back. There has been talking about a G-R being a part of this. They said, I think, we are already working on the G-T-R, which is great. The skyline has historically been the Infinity Gs.

Since the G-C mount-0-3, the Skyline has been sold basically unchanged in the United States as a regular car, the Infinity G-35, then the G-35, then the G-35, then the Q-50. So returning it as a Q-50 is not a big surprise, except the surprise that they are still investing in sedans. But, you know, this is a cool car, a sporty sedan. I was reading this and thinking, they're coming back with a manual transmission. Five years ago, if you had told me infinity was something going to bring me, I never would have guessed it. No. But all these companies, I think we owe a little bit of a debt of gratitude to Porsche, which I hate to say on this.

podcast, because Porsche has made it clear that manual transmissions is kind of a path to getting some credibility with enthusiasts. And Porsche almost dropped it all and instead kind of kept it going. There was that 9-11R and then they came out, the manual GT3s are back and all that. And enthusiasts have flocked to those cars. They are on long waiting list. They sell enormous numbers. They have huge secondary markets. And it has kept Porsche cool. Even if people aren't buying a manual, even if people are just buying them a con, the brand has, in part stayed cool due to the manual. And I have a suspicion that that itself has in part made BMW and now Infinity and a

couple other brands who probably would have just let it go think, hey, and we'd ask them themselves announced that, hey, Porsche's doing this, we're going to do it too for on those manual advantages. No, absolutely. It was all thanks to the 9-11R. That was the car that was the signal that for everything you just discussed. So thank you, Porsche. We're very happy.

if this does come out as a manual stand, that's my kind of car. Imagine that came out as a manual GTR. Like that would be if they came back with a GTR but it had three pedals now. That's the way to enthusiast. And Nissan especially realizes that because the Nismo Z when it came out was auto only

and there was a huge blowback and after a while they changed it. Same with the Supra. And maybe we get a manual skyline again like the R34 that Felipe covets. Are you worried about how it will look? The tail light design is interesting I kind of like that it's like

kind of Ferrari-ish with the Also I'm sorry, Kenan, the Nissan people are going to murder you Are you aware of what the signature GTR? I am familiar with it. 2009 Chevy Impala. Also that.

I'm going to tell you that. I'm going to tell you this. Or 2006 Impala. I'm going to tell you this. And I mean this with all this sincerity in my heart. There's never been an unattractive Nissan skyline.

And so I'm not worried about how it's going to look. They're going to do fine. There's never. been an unattractive GTR, there's never been an unattractive skyline. The Stagia, that's a different conversation. Oh, over for fighting words today. But the sky, well, it's just got a big butt. It's so practical. But the skylines have never not looked good. That's fair. Also, in general, infinity Nissan, infinity sedans look good. Infinity's in general. You know, we were up today. We were doing

something. I can't say yet, I don't think. Secret. And one of the fellows who was there at this company we were at, he said, so what are you driving? And he said, I, I said, I, I said, I, I have an infinity FX-50. And I'm like, yeah, what I hope it was like? Really? Was it copper? No, it wasn't. But when was the last time you were in a car conversation and someone dropped that car? You know what?

I went on a date with a girl a little while ago, and that's what she had. An FX-50 or 37? She had a 50. She had a V-8? She took me out to see it. It was pretty beat, but yes. Was it Emily? It was not Emily.

Emily's still that. This was long ago. This was a long ago. Oh, this was pre-emly. Pre-emily. Pre-emily. P.E. Which I was surprised.

So much so that I asked to walk her to a car so I wanted to see this. I remember when you told them. 100%. You got to ask her to send us a picture so we can verify. I swear you said it was an FF 45, but I'll accept 50. I bet it was a badge job. I bet this girl a badge to her FX 37.

Definitely, that's exactly. That's so many people do. For sure. Okay. The other big Nissan story is that they're also returning with the Extera, which I have been announcing on this podcast that they should have done and made a horrible mistake by not doing.

You know, first I said that the Lincoln Bronco was coming, then I said that the new X-Rera was coming. Do you have a little bit of- You took this victory lap already months ago when they said they were coming out with this? I'm taking it again, baby! What else you got for us? What did they say about power trains? All right, we know that it'll be a V-6 and a V-6 hybrid.

Will it be the power-train. No four-cylinder, Xtero. Oh, wow. They're like sticking the knife in Toyota. Yeah. They're looking at Toyota having trouble selling $80,000, four-cylinder T-RD Pro 4-runners. They're like, you know, we're going to give the people what they want.

By the way, whereas the Q50, I think, will be coming out in 2027. This will be second half of 2028. Second half of 28. That's cut. We're in the first half of 26. Yeah. It's only, you know. So, okay, great.

Two and a half years. Hey, two and a half years. But by all, they showed a few teaser images. And like, it looks like it will be very boxy and rugged looking and angular and kind of cool. One interesting thing I read was that it's going to be on the next generation frontier architecture, which is shared with Miss Sibishi. So the new frontier just came out, but it wasn't ever new. Yeah. Yeah.

The frontier is an interesting story where for a year they used the old body style, but an entirely new power trend. And then the next year they revealed the new body. But even the new body, there was a lot of carryover. The interior was carryover at this point. What's that? This is years ago. It was a few years ago. And by 28, which is now three more years in the future, the frontier will even older.

And by the way, if they do come back with a fully redesigned, new good frontier and a new Xtera, and they got a skyline and a manual GTR. Nissan is doing it again. We're going to turn off the Nissan Deathwalk. Not yet. These cars got to come out. Yeah, they got to come out.

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which would be Mitsubishi's fundamentally re-entry into the U.S. market. So that would be an exciting kind of byproduct. Who said that? That was announced that it may come back to the U.S.? Mitsubishi's CEO has kind of started to tease it. Mitsubishi has a CEO. They still are around.

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that's another example of a car that died just as the market for cars like it were heating up. Yeah. Such cool car. The FJ Cruiser, the Xtera, and this all went away and said Ford, and Ford Raptor and Toyota Fourrunner, have this. Jeep Rangler, it's yours now. Take the wheel.

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Ditch the dinnertime dilemmas with every plate. The last Nissan story is that they are coming out with a new juke. It's better looking than the last one. Love the juke. I love it. I love it. I love it. The last one, by the way.

It was not the one that was sold in the U.S. There was a generation between. There was a cool. Yeah, that's true. There has been a... I'm referring to U.S.D.M. We only talk U.S.D.M. on this pot, unless otherwise specified. Unless it's...

Unless it's true. If we're going to talk WLTP, we'll have that conversation. I think this is like, this, it's funky. It fits in the mold of the juke. Yeah, it does. I have to say, you know, this is one of my big things that car enthusiasts complained about the juke, and that's why we have boring cars. Like, car enthusiasts are like, there are so many boring cars.

And Nissan comes out with the juke, which is cool and fun. And they're like, that's ugly. And then, so then they cancel it and come out with more boring cars. That's why we have the kicks now. But I'm driving around on the other day I saw Corolla Cross, and I'm reminded, boy, that segment is boring. Yep. At least this, at least there's some fun.

Well, I also think now modern cars are so hideous that you can kind of do any shape you want. And I think it works. I think that's like, if I saw that drive another road, I think that is cool and interesting. And like, I don't want it. Imagine seeing it on 14-inch hubcaps and they're all going to be silver instead of this because they're going to be rental cars. That's exactly right. I don't believe it's coming to the U.S. I think it might be Europe only at the last, or Europe and other markets.

Oh, what a long. And also same platform as the leaf. Oh, it's going to be electric? How much WL2P do you think it'll have? Based on the Leaf, not a ton. WLTP for those listening is Europe's like EPA cycle for lesser cars. And it's a lie. It's a little inflated.

No, I'm glad you say that. Okay. Next new story is the new Chevy Corvette Grandsport. This is the biggest. We announced the Grandsport on this podcast a couple of weeks ago. We announced, I mean Chevy announced and then we talked about it. New Grand Sports coming back. They finally announced all the details.

It's going to have this new, 6.7-L-V-8, which is called the LS6. Every Corvette will. Which I did not realize. That motor is also going into the Sting Sting, which is the base car. Yeah. It's 535 horsepower. The current Sting Sting Sting is 495.

By the way, the current Stingray, as normal people call it, are you aware that the current Stingrate has a 2.9 seconds zero to 60 times? And now we're adding 40 more horsepower? That's nice. How is a regular Corvette that now costs $55,000 used? Yeah. A 2.9 seconds zero to 60.

Dude, I'm telling me, mid-engine. Because Tesla has democratized speed in every manufacturing. But this is an actual performance. To me, this is one of the single greatest

comeback stories in the history of the automobile. The C-7, and I know you love it, and I know we sell them on the site, so I'll be charitable. The C-7 is a car had taken the Corvette

ethos and platform in existence to kind of its conclusion. It was great, but like, it was still that group of people. The C-8 has conceded. And it's the hottest car in the market. You realize the C8 has now been out for six years? Six years.

It came out in the spring of 20 right before COVID. Six years the C8 has been on sale. That's crazy. It's gone by that quickly. Wow, yeah, it is proliferate. And it's still the coolest damn thing in the world. And they're still coming out with new variants that are still tremendously exciting. Like, this is a cool car.

The other thing with the Grandsport was that they announced pricing, which I don't have in front of me, do you? I do. I do. The Grand Sport will start at 88.495. 88.5. After delivery. And there's an all-wheel drive version, which is an E-ray Grandsport.

Yep. And then you can also get a track-ready package on the Grandsport. The Track Performance Package, which has Grandsport-specific chassis tuning, quad-exhaust, carbon-bracruing brakes, carbon fiber arrow, which is 109. Effective, the Grandsport's only 15 more than a base. Effectively, the Grandsport is a wide body with some other, like, upgrades. It's kind of cool. our cool little stripes.

You know who bought a C4 Grandsport? Is street speed 717? Really? He's doing like a nationwide road trip and a C4 Grandsport. Does he want to swing by? Say hello? He said, I'm going to bring it by San Diego. You want to review it?

And I was like, now I'm going to wait for one to show up on the site. Probably because I'll buy it. But I'm so jealous of him. It's my favorite corvette of all time. Of all time. Of all time. More than the C2. After the C2.

That's the second favorite. That's what I thought. Uh, new Grand Sport. Filippo, you're a resident Corvette man. You're excited about this or no? Yeah. What do you mean? Eh, no, I have legitimately thought about it.

To me, this is the Corvette to have. Grandsport always is. The ZO6 and ZR1 are awesome, but like, they're not practically faster than a, than this car. Like, on a day-to-day, use the car speed basis, you will never experience the difference. This looks like a Z-O-6. It has the Z-6 body. It has the cool stripes. It's like a limited production cool car, but you're still not in a base Corvette.

You're still in like something special. This is the one that you will end up with an 18. No, I will end up with an X. An X at all wheel drive. Well, a hybrid. A hybrid. Shoots for here. No, no, that's what I'm shooting for.

The hybrid, the story of the C8 that isn't told is that the best C8 that exists is the hybrids, but no one wants any part of them. Right. No respect. Agreed. They don't get enough respect. But they are four-wheel drive. They launch incredibly fast. An E-ray is like as fast as a ZO6, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. about. These are cool. I'm pumped. And it's not that expensive. Dude, the C8 absolute killer. It is a killer. Moving on to something a little bit, this is a completely different end of the automotive spectrum. This is the Rolls-Royce nightingale. Now, a couple of weeks ago... This looks cool. Looks cool. Now, a couple of one of these or just a one-off. Well, this, no, they're going to

try. A hundredies. Thirty of them have coming to the United States. The orders have already been fulfilled, so unfortunately, you can't have one. But this is part of the Rolls-Royce coach-built collection that we talked about a couple of weeks. It's the first one they're rolling out. So it's, you know, based on the specter platform, it's going to have probably at least the same 577 horse per and stuff like that. But the crazy thing to me is it's 18.9 feet long, and just like the new 9-11 GT3 S-S-C, seats two people.

Oh, it's a two-seater. That's 228 inches long. That's longer to suburban. Yeah, it's electric. It's also as long as the Phantom, and it is electric, yes. It's full electric. Yep. I mean, I also...

This is so cool. It is so cool. I also want to make the point, BMW, this is how you integrate a big grill. The grill is three feet wide. Is it really? But it works perfectly. You know, Rolls-Royce is benefiting greatly from electrification because they're able to make these different bodies of cars. They don't have to worry about, oh, this is a completely new model, new power train, we've got to go through.

They do seem like they're just sort of iterating from a design and style perspective off an existing chassis that's going to go great for. Because this is based on the specter, I assume. Correct, yes. And you hit the nail exactly on the head. And I would not be surprised of other luxury manufacturers. Bentley in particular copies this idea. Because it makes a lot of sense.

If you just have a skateboard, put it whatever body you want on it. They're actually seizing on the opportunity that EVs give because you don't need to place an engine and you don't need to route anything. You just have a battery and the motors and the wheels and you're done. Well, let's be honest.

The luxury car experience is not really dependent. Like this true luxury car experience is not dependent on the engine. You won't smoothest, quiet, and power. But actually, the less vibration makes it in the cabin, the better. I'm reading here that Nightingale, the name of the vehicle,

is named for Le Rossignoll, which means the Nightingale in French and was a house on Henry Royce's winter property on the French Riviera. Are you aware of that? In addition, and this is my favorite thing, this is from the press release, there is a lighting treatment inside the car with 10,000 illuminated stars and the dazzling of the lighting, like the rhythm of the lighting,

is inspired by the rhythm of a Nightingale's song. They can't have the star liner, because there's no fixed roof. Because the stars from God. Is this car not have any roof at all? There's no roof that rolls up. I haven't seen a picture with a roof on it. It's a Marquetta.

Do you imagine rolls away with customers? This is cool, though. This is damn cool. Like I said, I really hope that more luxury manufacturers do this. And I'm curious what the other cars that will end up in this Coach Bill collection end up looking like.

You know, this is neat. I was ready to write rolls off about seven years ago, maybe nine. And they keep coming out with products that just are appealing. The Phantom 8 was cool. The Cullinan made it, continued the situation.

He doesn't think there should be a lesser Cullen. It's insane. But then they came out with Spectre, which is great. And now they've got these one-offs that come out with every so often that all seem to look pretty cool. And there was the Boat Tail,

which I'm obsessed. Boatails of me. But this is sort of that. It is very that. This is very Villadeste. You can see it cruising around there. Yeah. But I think there are a lot of random rainstorms there.

Yeah, it would be hard. It'd be hard, but I can see people wanting to do. They do have a parking garage at Villadesse. So you can park this in. I parked in one of the parking garage. There's three parking garage. Can I ask a question? So obviously there's a very long vehicle with nothing.

Yeah. Do you think there's a huge trunk? Like, do you think that they made the trunk go all the way through to the rear of the front? I'll bet not. That'd be large. That'd be a lot of golf clubs. A lot of body. Yeah.

for just two people. Probably no trunk at all. Right. It is handy. Actually, I wonder, like, what's up front? I mean, if it's electric, maybe it is like a boxer. There are two trunks. Probably not, though.

Probably not. That thing is cool. 100 units. We have any idea of cost? No, they haven't really, they've been cagey about it, but everybody's assuming over a million, which would make. Over a million. They're only building 130 of them are coming here. I just put it into AI and they're saying 6 million, which seems alike a lot.

Yeah, well, yeah, I'm never wrong. I'm ready to drop $250 on this car today. That's great. That's what it's going to depreciate to in 10 years. You think, I don't know. I don't know. These cards don't appreciate it. Yeah, what about, have you ever seen a Rolls-Royce-C-M-R-R-R-G-U-E?

Pull that up. You're going to need to spell that one for me there, buddy, Rolls-R-R-C-A-M-A-R-G-U-E. This was the Project Nightingale of its era. Yeah, that's it. You ever see one of these pull-up images? But I also haven't seen it appreciate. Tap on that ready over there.

That one. Yeah, yeah, that one. This car, I'm not joking. This was like a half-million-six-hundred-thousand-dollar car in its era. And now, I mean, if you can find someone to buy yours, you're lucky at like a $9,200-used car value. You got a point. How many of these do they build? Comargue was built for 11 years, and they only made 531.

Demand limited. Massive success. Not only was it hand-built, it was built slowly. Now, this car was designed by an Italian, and it sort of goes against my theory that Italians design all beautiful cars. You know what? But they've designed so many, we can give them the Kamargh. Yeah.

Horrible name, too. My look. Yeah, no, it was not a good situation. But this is cool, and maybe it becomes like the Kamarg. But for now, I think that it is, I think it is just so cool. It's a wheel treatment. Oh, Lord. All right.

Long live, roll, voice. Oh, okay. I want to talk about this. This is a very important news story. Sean's all upset about it. The Chrysler Pacifica off-road version. Apparently they debuted at Seema a few months ago, but they just showed it again at the New York Auto Show. And I've always said that I want, what I want is an off-roader, but that's also can carry a lot of people.

Yeah. Yeah. And here this is. And I was thinking, if they made this, this is exactly what I'm looking for, except that it's a Stalantis product. So what I'm hoping is, this is what I'm hoping, that they take all of the stuff and give it to Toyota. But then it would, would it be reliable? No, they don't want them to take the Pacific apart.

Take all the off-road equipment and everything and bring it over to Toyota. That's my thought of the day on this. Maybe the facelifted Pacifica, which is only facelifted in certain trims will be more reliable. Do you think it's interesting that these automakers are teasing high-performance minivans and teasing off-road minivans, but no one's, or teasing luxury minivans, but no one is really willing

to step up to the plate on these things. They're like going a little down that road, the Sienna Woodland, but no one's really willing to give us the Hellcat van we want. You know what I'm saying? Because there's... No, I'm not surprised.

What's the question? I'm not sure. I'm not surprised. You don't think people would buy it? I think they would have to do a fair amount of engineering to fit a V8 period into a Pacifica. No other manufacturer that sells any of these has a V8.

Well, you know, first of all, it's worth noted. Honda's out of a V8, Toyota's on a V8 anymore. But that's my point. They all tease it. They're teasing it. Nobody's teasing it, but Chrysler. But do you think...

No, no, Toyota T's an off-road Sienna at Cima a couple years ago, like a true build. And several of the brands have teased like performance minivans. Those exist. But yeah, do you think they looked at the R-63 and went while that was a failure? Because they only built 300 of them or whatever and like, okay, we're not going to do that. But the R-63, I want to get a Hellcat Pacifica that is also an off-

rotor. That'd be cool. It sounds like you just go and give me it all right. Whatever. I want it all and I want it now. That's what it feels like a dream on us. All right, move on. Are we done with news, hopefully?

No. Oh, get out of here. We're not doing it. There's a magma GV60. All right. Can we talk about this though? All right. Lucid has a new CEO. Lucid has a new CEO, which has got to be their third CEO in 18 months. The last one was an interim.

We're good. His name is Silvio. Excuse me. Silvio Napoli. He is currently, he is most recently in charge of the Schindler group, which makes elevators. Oh, yes, not lists. No, no, elevators. Different.

Important. They got the CEO from a... Yeah, but he's well known in the industry, in the elevator industry, for really growing and modernizing that brand and making it quite successful. How exciting. What a thrilling career. One of the top elevator crew. I don't want to, I looked into this story a little before.

I don't want to to Toot the Man Soren too much, but he debuted. while working for the Schindler Elevator Group, the elevator that opens in the front and in the back. Previous to this man, Powley or whatever. All the elevators open front, and sometimes these buildings would be like, you know what would be nice,

if it could open the freight side, could open to the back, and all the other elevator companies, it's like the minivans before the 96 Chrysler. They all said, it's not possible. Paoli or whatever his name is. Paixote? He came in and he said,

we can do it. He said, you know what? Give them doors. Give them doors. And you know what else he did? The glass elevator. Before him, all the visitors were enclosed. Did he do the one from Willy Wonka that flies out?

Yeah. Well, the safety thing is. That's a little too fun for the twist. Can I tell you, you're saying that they hired this guy because he has a reputation for right-sizing a business. Can I tell you the actual reason they hired this guy? Because no one in the automotive industry wants this job. And they figured, hey, elevators have,

wheels and pulleys and belts, it's close enough. No, they've been pretty up front that he doesn't have any auto industry experience directly. Yeah, I'm sure they've been up front about that. But he has a strong track record in manufacturing, operational discipline, and capital allocation. So we are going to allocate half our money to the double-dored elevator. Basically, they needed somebody that they think can maybe bring some growth, but also drive profitability. in a way that they are so unprovable. Is this person going to live in California

or you're going to live in Zurich? They live in Zurich for some amount of time until they have a visa that allows them to move to the US. Unlike your bit here, none of that is made up. That is all factually accurate. He also gets two companies,

company cars. And a million dollars in relocation expenses. A million in Relo. And he's going to drive around in this minivan. And with the license plate, elevator. Elevator. No, I mean, I'm excited for Lucid in that they absolutely need somebody

to drive the company. in a way that is in any way sustainable. Part of this is an additional infusion of capital from the Saudis, but they got to at some point make money. Wasn't it Lucid who we were making fun of for releasing those cars, like teasing those new models and saying this is for like

the female... Yes, that is him. Okay. That is them. Well, this is going to go great. All right, I want to move on to the Talk Cars segment. The Talk Car segment today is sponsored by Filippo's 997 Targa. Oh, thank you.

Yeah, Felipe's 997 Targa It talks cars Yeah, all day I sat in four hours of traffic Yesterday afternoon I didn't think great Yeah Is that part of your talk cars?

No I don't want to relive it Bad enough At one point it was on Through Kim Pendleton Where you can't There's no exit But I did have

I was in traffic for so long I stopped at the rest area Yeah Leaving the rest area Took an additional 30 minutes Well why did you stop It's insane Something that you need to use a thug

Sitting there not doing something, you needed a break from that? So you pulled into the rest of the area? You're in traffic for a long time. You can use the restroom at some point. Also, I don't think it was slower than that other traffic, but it was... Philippa? Let me tell you. We don't stop.

We don't stop. If you're going somewhere, you go somewhere. I agree with this wholeheartedly, especially coming back from Los Angeles. You're lucky you got to see Phil Chung last night. I did get some Phil Chung. Shout out Phil Chung. I want to tell a little story here. All right.

I love that. The story? Yeah. Do you know what the story is? No. But you see it in the thing. Yeah. And you're curious.

give me any information. I'll tell you that. All right, I got a story. Buckle up. Last week I was in Washington, D.C., the nation's capital. Indeed. All the buildings are there. They have the Lincoln Memorial, and they have all that other stuff.

Did you see the ballroom? No, it's being erected. But I've been by where the previous part was destroyed. Right. And now they've got a new big thing coming. Yeah. Anyway, I was in Washington, D.C. And my best friend lives there, my best friend, Melissa.

Shout out. Shout out. And in Washington there, she drives a 2013 Kia Sportage. And because it's a Kia, it has been attempted to be stolen several times. And so it no longer has a driver's side door handle, which was ripped off by an attempted thief. The keys all had to be re-keyed then. Then there's one key for the door and one key for the ignition, like a GM car from the 80s. It was true, my Kia Spectre, too.

And this thing, I mean, this thing is rough. Like, it is the roughest, like, it hasn't been washed in years. One time a construction fence fell on it and then scraped down the side. So it looks like one of the X-Men Wolverine, like, you're going to grab down the side of it. I mean, this is the roughest thing you're going to get, okay? Plastic steering wheel, backup camera because it's required by law. I mean, we're on that level, right? This is, like, the most basic, rough car.

I have most of friends with Melissa. Last time I was there, I replaced her tail light bulbs. I get in the car, and it's, there's a minor key oil change, and it says, get your next trial change in September of 25 at 104,000. And I look, and it's March 26, and it's 108,000. And I'm like, oh, God, it's like $49 to change oil in this piece of crap. Anyway, so I'm driving along in their DC there. And I'm at a stoplight, and a guy looks over in one of your station rack, and he's like,

duh. And I was thinking, Melissa and I had often did. joked about you know because I get recognized everywhere all the time and especially at car like with context clues it's very easy to recognize if I'm a car meet it's Doug if I'm walking around you know a neighborhood

maybe maybe that's tough if I'm driving a 2013 Kia Sporting Washington DC you're probably what wait a minute and the guy actually recognized me and and I he was like I bought my station wagon because of you wow

he said it's great and I said I really should be driving one of those right now. And then he drove off. And I thought to myself, what a great experience for this guy. He's going to wonder for the rest of his life why Doug Demer was driving on Kia Sported with no door handle around D.C.,

yeah, like a really bad example of one. Yeah, you'd always joked about, like, driving and not being recognized, something that you'd blend in. There's no car you can blend into. I've been driving that Kia Sportage in Washington, D.C., when I go to visit her, twice two, three times a year,

I go to visit her for six years, and no one has ever recognized me in the car. And I've always joked with her about like, what if someone saw me get out of this thing? It'd be so embarrassing. And then this guy is there. Anyway, the sad part of the story, there's a sad ending.

He found me on Instagram and sent me a DM, and then I sent him a DM and explain. And so now he won't go through the rest of life wondering. He actually has the explanation. With his DM, why were you driving this? He literally was like, someday I'd love to learn why I sleep in the middle of it. trying with Kia Sporting.

Well, I'm glad you responded and didn't torture him because you could have just let him. Right, I could have just been like, I don't know what's talking about it. I don't want to talk about it. Testament to that Kia Sportage is reliability because that car has been through something. Every time I go there, I'm like,

I want to buy you a new car. I want to do that to you. Like, you deserve it. I'm like, ready to do it. And, but every time I'm in it, I'm like, it's not quite bad enough. Even though you put the club on the steering wheel, you know?

You don't have that stole it. You have a Kiyahundate from that. If you have a Kia Hyundai from that area, you have to use that. Especially for the base one that doesn't have the... Right, yeah. It was never actually stolen, though, right? It was never stolen. So she doesn't need the club?

Several groups attempted. And the car was in Chicago before that, and there was a theft attempted there, I think, as well. And now it looks so bad. No one goes anywhere near it. Well, you know, the thing that I'd like her to do, and then I've tried to push her to do is cover up the badges because, like, a soul you know is a Kia. But those little crossovers... The Korean market...

No. She shouldn't do that. like one of the Tudor kids in a Genesis coop, but like literally a piece of black electrical tape over to badges, I think would stop any theft attempts. Because how do you know? You don't know, you're driving around looking for a badge. Don't you want it to get sold?

I would. At some point it transitions to, I actively want this car to be stolen. We would park it and she'd be like, let's put the club on. And I'd be like, well, it's okay. It's okay. It's like when I used to park my Ford Focus at the edge of blocks in Baltimore

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Yes, so I have some big news. So recently I sold my SL-65 on the site, did quite well. And since then, I've had a bunch of my friends reach out and say, you know, congratulations. Everybody's been very nice, including you guys. But I had a couple of friends reach out and say, can you help me sell my car? So I've decided to help my friend Brian. So his, it's sitting behind Doug.

He has a 986 Boxter S, O3 Boxter S, 6-Fee manual. It's live right now. It's not live right now, but it will be very short. When this, sorry, when this podcast is out, it will be live. We're recording this today before it goes. Look at these pictures. Yeah, so our resident photographer, Nick Snapper, took these photos, and my God, are they spectacular? But the car is wonderful, too.

It comes with an unbelievable amount of service documentation. Brian is so particular that his spreadsheet and documentation made me feel embarrassed. I actually went back to my M5 and revised with how I do things to make it a little bit tighter. Okay. So in other words, if you're getting a 986, this is the one. This is kind of the one. Yeah, it's lovely, and you should go check it out on the cars and the bids there. Canon is presenting a vehicle.

Yes, I am doing all the presentation on it. It's going through my account. It's great at presenting a vehicle. His SL, he did an amazing job. His Ferrari did an amazing job. Kenan knows how to present a car for sale on Cars and Bids.com. Are you selling it under your username? Yes, it's going under my username.

I'm handling the whole thing. So if you ask questions, I'm the one who's handling all of that. Pull up that SL. Yeah, the SL 65. Again, Nick Snack. This is how you present a vehicle. Yeah, you have to clean the license plate. Pull up Filippo's Fiat 500.

Hey, Kenan, you want to help me sell it? Click on that and then pop down to the known flaws. Oh, boy, the curb rash is just... Oh, it's a... Well, you know what? You always pick the side that has the most curb rash is the elite image there, Felipe. But, uh, yeah, let's look... He did pick the side that has the least progress.

You don't know if it was worse than that. You know, this list feels like a little short... No, no, it's just very general. Very general. Yeah. The car is bad. You know what? We have a special caveat for really bad cars that, like, really underscores people need to do their deal with them.

I consider adding that myself because the writer didn't. I thought about it. But Canon is boxer-esque. Canon represents cars as well. I'm excited to see how that goes, Kenan, and excited to see what the Kenan Touch does. Me too. And it's a lovely car.

I have a film out about it. Now they do with our friend Sam, we compared it to the 981 Boxer Spider. I've got one more coming out where we're talking about how much it costs to go through this because it has all documents to own those cars. Oh, yeah. That'd be interesting.

Because it has documentation back to the very first owner. It's got all of it. We all agree that that 986 Boxter S is a pretty good bargain in today's world. If you consider it as just a fun, toss it around, kind of really do. They are so much fun. if you have no ego, like I think that car, like, if you're looking to spend that kind of money, like, you know, 20, 30 grand for like a really, really perfect one, it delivers the driving experience

so well. It's just so balanced and fun and good. I love the trans. I love the shifter. I love the weight balance. It's so good. Something for you to think about. Yeah.

Okay. You want to talk about. What do you got? So it should be live right now as you guys are listening, but we have a behind the sit-scenes VIP experience alongside the American Brain Tumers Association. and One Lap of America, Brock Yates, Tyrak, One Lap of America. I will be, it's not an event yet. There's a charity auction with Perseys going to the ABTA,

where I will be at one of the final events of One Lapt of America. Philippo? It's May, and we'll get to do some parade laughs, and we'll get to do dinner. So check it out. Oh, yes, yes, yes. You're doing, because last year we helped someone from Coinbase sell their car, right? Correct.

So last year, I went on track in a mini-com. had a little spin. A little spin. We all recall the spin. And that he sold it on the other site. This year is doing One Lamp of America again in a V70R spaceball. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Wow. That's more you, Carl. I know. And I'm joining for one of the final stages. And then we will actually, so please check out the charity auction and consider bidding. And then we will actually also have a Cars and Coffee alongside Tyrak after the end of One Lop of America. More to come on that. Do we know which one you're going to be at?

I would be a Black Hawk Farms for that race. Which race is it? Where is that? It's in Illinois. Illinois. Right of Chicago. Wow, look at you. You're going to Ryan Lopez?

I haven't decided who I'm inviting. But you agree. Ryan Lopez is an ancestral home. Ryan Lopez. Should we go to Chicago? Hey, y'all. It's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if?

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Ryan Lopez is going with Felipe. Thank you for putting this up. Please do check out the charity auction, obviously, for a great cause. And if you are in the South Bend area, come to our Cars and Coffee. Or in the Midwest in general. South Bend area is anywhere. I'm sure as this gets closer, we will hype it up even more. We're going to hype this up like crazy.

If you're in the Midwest, don't add it to your calendars yet. We will tell you. We will tell you when. Again and again and again. Okay, next up, we got to move on to the Market Report. The Market Report is sponsored to you by Cars and Big. cars and bids. It makes you remember why Facebook Marketplace is terrible. You know, there's something to that.

I got a Facebook Marketplace story for next week. Yeah, you do. Smart. Let it fester a little bit. Okay. Can I mention two events before we dive into actual. Okay, fine. All right, event number one, this very Saturday, tomorrow, when you're listening to this, we will be alongside Avants at the Vance pit stop.

at the Long Beach Grand Prix. If you are signing up, make sure to use code Cars and Bids underscore VIP so that they know that we sent you. I will be there personally. You're going to be in Long Beach? I will be in Long Beach for this event.

Are you bringing the pizza? Sean and Ryan, I have tasked with bringing the pizza. It better be good. Producer Sean and Ryan Lopez will be there, air conditioning and Ryan Lopez. Right, they're very ponsiously, so you're welcome.

And it's not inside the race. Correct. So you can attend this without actually going to the race. Is that the deal? Yep. So check it out. Carlsabits.com slash events, you can learn more, and make sure

you use our code. You're going to meet Ryan Lopez. And Sean. And producer, Sean. And producer Sean. His first name is actually producer. It's really weird. What's a rather than last time? The other thing is tomorrow people in Long Beach. If you're in L.A., you do not have anything better to do then go meet Felipe Sean and Ryan at this

Avant's pit stop. Cars and Bids underscore VIP. You're going to get pizza. Ryan Lopez is going to bring you pizza. He looks so enthused. He will personally feed you a flight. He looks pretty ill. You're right there. Okay.

What's our other event? The other event is at the end of May, we are partnering with the Velocity Invitational, which is a huge car event at Cinema Raceway. We're going to have our first ever live auction. So we're going to be bringing a bunch of cars to Velocity. We'll have cars there. I will be there, as will a bunch of other people from our team.

And you can bid online. You can be there in person, check out the car, and we'll help you bid there. So to be clear, you're not going to have a British auctioneer, do it in person. No. No. Instead, the cars are going to be live right there.

And Felipeo's going to get up and go, You're gonna MC? Have it, have it, have it. I was so with that. The cars will speak for themselves. It includes an alpha-o-tzee that... The cars will speak for themselves. Do you like that?

Philippo is so hard for-in-a-actual. Yeah, we'll have an alpha-a-a-tzee that Doug reviewed, that will also be there, and we'll have a bunch of other really cool cars. This was the coolest thing I've ever driven in my entire life. What we should be auctioning is rides in the TZ-1. It would change people's lives. People go in thinking, oh, I'm need to get a new car for my wife and a crossover rev They'll come out thinking, I need to sell my house for a TZ1.

That's what it's worth. Okay, so you can also bring your own car. Yeah, so we do sell up a couple of spots left for cars to be there in person. So there'll be a link in the description below. If you want to learn more, submit your car for that event. Reach out there. This is Sonoma. Also, come hang out.

If you use code, our code, code this, when you check out for a ticket, you can also get 10% off. So I'm excited to see you there for our first ever, like, large event that includes an auction. Have you ever been to Sonoma? No. This is a great experience. You're going to do some wine tasting? That's right. You should.

You should absolutely take some time on and do that. The week after this event, like I will come back from this event on like Monday. And on Tuesday, I go to Italy for two weeks. I'm going to save my wine drop for that. You know what? Can I make a suggestion? Go to Healdsburg? You don't need to go to Italy.

Am I right? Healdsburg? Shout out. Sean is like, yeah, I love Healdsburg. Spent a week there one night. All right. It's just, Sean's, he keeps interjecting, you know? I know.

I wish you all could see this. He just keeps popping up from behind his computer. It is like a groundhog on the parade. So regard, all that said, I'm incredibly excited about our event there. If you have a really cool special car that you want to present alongside that Alpharmio TZ and a bunch of other really cool cars that we have lined up, let us know. And just we'll hopefully see you there if you're in the Bay Area or if you want to travel. Okay, we got to move on now to the market report.

The market report is brought to you by Kenneth. wastefulness. Canon uses plastic... I know. Do you believe that you... We have glass. Do you believe this? They're left over from the bat.

Felipe uses this glass cup from a company that sponsored us many years ago. Yeah, I reuse, reduced the cycle. I lost my water bottle today. We have glass cups. Yes. The silver one?

Yes. It's an icon of the pod. Where to go? I know. I'll have to get another one. The Mark Report is actually sponsored, by the way, by Cars and Bids, which is this great website.

What else do I say? Cars and Bids.com. Cards and bids. There's an app. It's a really good app. For iPhone only, but Android's coming real soon. I want to talk about Mercedes-Benz-Coop, which are causing me some stress. Which one specifically?

In the history of life, what happens after a Mercedes-Benz-Coop is sold new? Tell me. Depreciates about 80. It depreciates to zero. Okay? What does the C-140 cost? Nothing, right? Well, that seems to not be the case anymore.

Can you pull up the S-65? Are they retaining value? Felipe. This is a 12-year-old S-65. It's sold for $76,000. Wow. It's a low-pilege car, it's nice, et cetera. I'm astonished at this number.

Astoned. In addition, we just sold at AMGGT. Now, this is the thing that's really upsetting to me. AmGGTs, we have talked a lot on this pot, they're getting cheaper. They're going to get cheap. Someday they'll be bargains in the 40s. They're not. They're just not.

This is a pretty standard early AMD. G.T. It's an S. I think all the 16s were S's. It's a low mile car, but otherwise it's a pretty standard early car. First Monty are still selling for 70. We all hoped. We watched them go like this, and we all hoped that someday these would be 36, and it's just not happening all that quickly. I kind of get it. The A&GGT, I was up next to one on the highway the other day. It looks so special and exotic. In a way that for 50 grand, it's kind of a deal. Even this one at 51, how many miles were on this car? This car had 75.

This car was a 76,000 mile Montana title car, and it still pulls over 50. To be fair, that's 30 grand less than a similar 991 coop. Yeah. That's a bargain for V8. It's relatively a bargain. It's relatively a bargain. But I agree it's not as cheap as you think. When I was a child growing up, a Mercedes-Benz coop of any variety,

E&A convertibles too, honestly, SLs, were cars that you knew in six years would be free to purchase. And the world is changing. The ground is shifting beneath our feet. We sold an SL-65 for $60,000. You know what, honestly, we did. You said the market, yeah.

We did. Like, there is interest in these cars in a way that I feel like has Mercedes-Benz Coups haven't had interest in since the low-grill cars of Ralph Lauren's era. I'm serious. I really, really truly think that since like the opera windows and the pagodas.

Such a great example. This era is like there's some interest in the big body S-65s, the Coupes, the V-12s, and even the A&G-G-G-G-T's. It's so interesting because, like, with my car, when I sold it, people were, the thing that people kept mentioning me was like, I totally forgot about the S-L-65. And I think there is more of, there's more interest in that era of cars, and it's, like, kind of, I think, pushing those values up a little bit. There is. But ultimately, like, with the S-65, it's like, that's the same engine, but modern interior,

modern, I mean, it's just a big car. This car should have depreciated more than this. I'm shocked that it's. still pulling this kind of money, there is real interest in these cars. And I think people are seeing what's happening to the 0506 CL-65s, and they're thinking these cars deserve to stay relatively high. But how interesting is that? It is.

The W-220, or whatever the coupe version was, the C-220 or C-221 or whatever was, those cars are really cheap. Really cheap in general, aside from the CL-65. And even those aren't pricey. They're not crazy. But here we are in this world where Mercedes-Benz's coups are suddenly expensive. So how did this happen, Kenan? Because they're great cars.

I think there's a lot of fear around the maintenance with these cars, which is not unjustified. But I think that they also offer something that's really neat. I mean, the 65s in particular, if you just ungodly power. An S-63 of this exact car is a cheap car. Which that is, I just think the V-12s are special. I guess, enthusiasts definitely seek those out. And as for the AMG-G-G-T, it's like that car still looks like a very expensive. What is this?

It was a 200, I just looked. $240,000 sticker. This is a $120. It sold for $1.24 months ago. Half off. To be fair, it took eight years, nine years to get the half off. 10 year old, what's a 10 year old seven series? Like a 19 car.

Even a 10-year-old base S class. We're looking at 15 S classes the other day on this pod. We're like 20 something. I know, because they look good and they are special. The AMGGGT, I think deserves the kind of price stability. I agree. The thing about the AMGGGT was, even as we were talking about,

oh, one day it'll be cheap, one day will be cheap. I'm thinking in my mind, like, 9-11's floor. This has to floor at some point. I think it's truly a very pretty car. It's a big V8. You know what's the only deal? SLS roadsters are still 100. You can buy an SLS roadster for 100.

It's unfortunate. The Roaster doesn't look nearly. No, it doesn't. But I'll tell you what, it drives great. It drives so well. Although, honestly, from a pure driving perspective, I kind of maybe prefer the AMGGT. We sold the Roaster for 83. They're cheap.

I'm telling you, dude. Where were you? Where was I? Where were you? I don't want one, but where was that? He was asleep at the week. Now, another car that is dreaming well, something else I want to talk about Market Report. That's a special car for under $100,000.

Lotus Emira. Yes, it is. And they are 100 all day long. Every SLS Roadster, nice ones low-out. Why don't we talk about this? Why doesn't this come up? Lotus E-M... You could buy a 911 convertible or an SLS Roadster.

Yeah, you could have... The problem is the SLS Roadster is... No, no, I don't want that. The problem with the SLS Roadster is it just doesn't have the special feel. The SLR was bespoke McLaren built. really special thing. The SLS Roadster, the coop is cool, but the Roadster, like, what does it have? It's got the 6-2 that other AMGs have. It's a road. Like, that's, I think, how the market views it. I'm not saying that's how I view it, but that's how the market views it. Do you agree?

Yes, I view them. It's wrong. It's not quite the same engine. And it also has the dual clutch, which is a big jump. It absolutely is. But I agree, like, the doors don't do this. The doors don't do this. And also, when what's left after you remove the doors isn't special enough for the market to value it at the low level of the coups. Cups are 200 plus. You know, same thing with the 300 S.L. That's a great tradition. Although 300 SL roadsters, the difference there is also 100 grand, but it's a 1.9 million to 2 million.

I think there's more of a gap than that, but yeah. Shocked by Amira's. I wanted to bring this up to. Yes. They're just not coming down. Not coming down. This is another car I thought by now we would start seeing depreciating. We're seeing first editions.

That's not a two and a half year old car. First editions came out in 20, there were 24 models. They were selling when they first. started showing up on our site. They were selling for 95, 105, like in that range. The most recent sales of these two that were six, 92-994. Yvores have done this too. They've generally held value better than they should for a company that is perpetually running into bankruptcy, perpetually can't make vehicles, you know. I don't understand why the Amira is holding so well, considering those variables for Fisker

have made those cars worth $6,100. But yeah, it's good. That's a big part. It's really good. I think that's the big. I've never, I really want to drive one. I haven't I'm gonna get a press car coming. They have like some update and there's a four cylinder. I hope you don't have the four cylinder. Well, I don't did the V6 already, so I'm kind of curious. We failed to sell two and one of them was a four cylinder. This is, this car is still bringing money.

Now these are low mileage, they're not that old yet. Check back in three years. It does. Check back in three years, but you gotta assume these are still like, these are valuable cars. It makes some sense, right? Like, what's your comparison point if you want a small coupe? You can get a Kman.

Well, you can't anymore, but you could get a Keman. You have to get a G. This is way more. A T.S 4.0 or a GD4 to have a flat 6 manual. Yeah, well, this is a Toyota Camry V6. Even better. It's unusual, right? Like, yeah, a Cayman.

And I don't think there, I don't think 24 Kamens are selling for 93.5. 24 Kamens with the GTS 4.0 are. Think about that, though. That's the best cable you could get short of the GT4. This has the engine from a Toyota Camry. And is manufactured by a company that may be going out of business next week. Is that still the VTGT4? It uses?

Because that V6 hasn't been in a camera in years. Pull it up. I think it's the same 3-5V-6. It's still a Toyota V6. Oh, Supercharge 35. They still use it in something. They still use it in something that has allowed the Amira to continue going. I remember talking about this when I reviewed it.

You didn't watch my video. I did, but that was years ago. I also watched the video and I've forgotten, so don't feel bad. You were there. Oh, it's in the, it's in the Bolwell Nagari. Pull that up, Ken. Boldwell? B-O-L-W-E-L-N-G-R-E-L-N-Gari

There was, by the way, some talk of the V-SR's going away, and that might be helping. I spelled it wrong. Yep, that's just a bowl. No, but boldwell, bull-well. Bull-well. I can't believe you don't know how to spell this story. Oh, no, is it test time?

No. B-L-N-G-R-N-G-R-. Sorry, sorry, all this thing. How is this spelled? B-O-W. B-O-L-W-E-L-L in the Garry, it pops right up. Oh, yeah, after the pharmacy, health center, and before cars, and, uh. That's not even it!

It's not even it! It's that, it's that. Oh, sure. This thing. So, so there you go. So that's why it's still in production. They have to supply the engine to the bull on the Gari, which I think we all agree is a pretty well-known vehicle. It's built right outside of Melbourne.

And they said the Australian automotive industry was dead. They never saw the Bullwell-Migari. You've never seen a call like this. Now that's a proper motor car there. Can you say Bull-Wall-Nagari in that accent? Bo-Wel-Nagari. There you go. Thank you. I appreciate that.

Pretty good at the Australian accent. That's why they think it's acceptable. Dingo H-O. baby. Are there any other market reports this week? Oh, there's something I noticed. So recently we sold a Hyundai Equest, which a great car. A lot of you'll forget about it. They are good cars.

The big body V8, it's a good car. So this is, to be clear, the Equis was the Hyundai's luxury sedan before Genesis G90. This was a full-size luxury sedan intended to be a competitor like Lexus LS sort of on the low end of the S-class. This is as good of one as you're gonna find. It's not an ultimate, which is the top trim, but it has the big V8, one owner, low mile.

Right, and this one was sold by our friend Chris Carbman. It's a nice car. But I was going through this and I was looking at the service history. Yeah. Because like, you know, I think a Hyundai is going to be pretty reliable. Yeah. Well, here's a service that was done for the suspension. You noticed front right assembly, $3,205, left airstrat, $2,824,

suspension compressor, $2,315, and a suspension valve, $1,065. The total for the suspension service, $10,500. And the car sold for 18 Gs. Look, here's what happened. Hyundai never thought somebody would buy that part. They had three in the world. Wow. Supply on the bag.

I mean, at the end of the day, it's just proves the old adage, an expensive car, may become cheap, but remains when you're repairing it. But I wouldn't even thought that this car would be so. This is S-class level expensive to take care of. Warranty expired just a mere couple years ago. They must have been just outside of that. Yeah, that's so true. 10 year warranty period.

It's a one owner. Yeah. Right. Okay, that is quite interesting. Isn't that wild? Folks, if you're going to buy an equist and you're not, make sure the suspension's already been done. But you should consider it.

You know, ironically, if we have one live right now, buy it, pay all the money. Ironically, that suspension service would cost more than a significant number of them that we've sold. Boy, I still think these cars are deals, though, even knowing that. You could buy wood for nine, do the suspension. You got, that's not going to break again for another 15 years. Or, and you drive around. Coal spring it. Yeah, coil spring it.

I got a coil conversion on my equest. Pull up, pull up the interior one of these. It is a nice, into this. It's a nice place to be. You drive around, you feel like you are the Korean consulate in Nashville, Tennessee. Well, my friend Ryan and I, we used to go to car shows. We'd always want to sit in the act because it's so nice. We referred to as the thinking man's Mercedes.

Yeah. It's like what a lot of people thought of it is. It's quite nice. It's a nice place to be. Okay. The questions this week were absolute fire. I've never seen questions. They were fire.

They were so good. These questions make Ryan Lopez look like his air conditioning is working. Whoa. Remember, you too can ask us questions. You go to Cars and Bids.com. You click on the community tab and there's a post that says, These are questions. Ask us questions.

And then you ask, I want to start with the best question I've ever read on the whole pot, 140 million episodes. From Dodge Calibur SRT4 fanboy, which by the way,

hell yeah. If the original Fast and Furious was made today instead of 2001, who would you cast as the hero and villain cars? Oh, wow. That's a good question.

Okay. I need to think for a moment. The cars, the two big hero cars from that movie were the Dodge Charger and the Supra. Which we have an existence today.

Yeah, so I mean the questions answered. Four cylinder Supra and a Dodge Charger Electric. No problem. The Dodge Chargers one of the... Oh, sure, okay. It was the one that crashes at the thing and blows up. Don't forget with the JETA GLA.

Oh, yeah, there were a lot of cool cars and we could spend a lot of time going through it. And in the, to be clear, the villain car was, that S-2000, like, the group of, like, black, black, uh, Hondas, like, it was Honda Civics and things like that, right? So, heroes, villains. Blurry line. Okay, so.

They used Honda Civics to steal the TVs. Oh, yeah, I guess that was the crew we liked. Right. They were doing the stealing. The S-2000s weren't. The S-2000 was the crew we hated. They don't like. When race wars in the desert.

Okay. Yeah. But you, the Supra still probably takes that place. Mark 5? Yeah, what else is there? Yeah. R35, Skyland.

Really? I mean, it's still for sale until literally last year. R35 GTR. Why didn't they use R34's in that movie? Just because it was not possible probably. It wasn't possible yet. There were some motor X ones, but barely,

because they came out in 2001. I assume they filmed the 99. Okay, so I think the Super was the hero car then. The Supra, to me, is still like the current best JDM's sports car. I think, I can't think of a better one. The Z is still out. The three, the, the, the, the, the Z looks cooler than the Super. Yeah. Yeah, but the Super is the Super is the Super, and everybody's modding those. The culture around that car is like it was then. Sure, I thought that

engine, that BMW Motor, B-Tunable. So, 28. Yep. Okay, the Super's in it. The BRZ has to find a place. That's probably the Jedda. The first Gen BRZ, though. Yeah. Yeah, or now. Looks too friendly. Depends if they're willing to pay for product players. Right, right. You don't think a GTR, R35? R35 GTR should be in the flick, for sure. Maybe is the villain car. Eclipse Sport Cross. Still available.

Still available. Ryan Spilner shows not been in an eclipse. Don't you think that like an M2 or an M4 would make their way in there? At this point, that probably should. Like, back in that era, those weren't common tuner cars, but there's a lot of verbal tunes. His community does that stuff. Yeah. Here's the question, though.

The charger was like. a 30-year-old car when that movie came out. So if you think back, that would be like a mid-90s car now. That would be like the classic. Maybe that's the R-34 skyline. Or like a super, an old trans-eac for an old 3,000 GT. Like that would be your classic if you were making the movie now. Eventually, yeah, eventually the cars that were in the movie, they have become the classic.

Yeah, they're the classic. I'm picturing a Lexus SC-400. No, that wasn't enough. No, it's like the dad's car. As a replacement for that charger with the... That's a car he worked on with his dad. He wants a one UZ. He was working on a one UZ and his dad.

You know what they did? They went out to change the oil. We're done for the year. Air filters. They'll have to touch it for another couple years. Right. SVT Cobra. His dad was an accountant.

We're in a cubicle. That was just something they had to do every year. They didn't bond over it. I need to get up from the desk. Cobra. It was with a real car if you're looking like midnight. What was? SvT Cobra.

Yeah. Yeah, Termi Cobra. Termi Cobra would be the charger, Pry. Because in that era, that was pre-actual Charger and Challenger coming back. Those cars are still too new. We were still in the Dodge Avenger era. Termi Cobra. The Coupe, not the...

It's almost a little too new. Yeah. Yeah. Like an actual S-N-95, Cobra, but it wasn't desirable. Right. Yeah. A W-S-6. A lot of these cars weren't.

A W-S-6 bird. A bird feels like it's just... We have one somewhere. He's driving a W-S-6 bird. Dude, I took that car out. You can see it. You can see a little bit of, we got a WS6 firebird back here. I took that car out.

I've wanted them in my whole life. It's a long one, I assume. I took it out to do a video with, and most, a lot of the cars I do videos with, and I'm like, well, and I take the WS, and so I'm worried. Yeah. Because I've wanted a WS6 my whole life. And that era of GM is known to be trash, right? Yeah, and I take the car out, and the interior is trash.

Of course. And I get in the car, and I start it up, and I'm like, okay. Yeah. And then I drove it around. It was the greatest experience of my car. I want one even more now that I did before I drove it. The Shifter is surprisingly great. The drive line is really good.

The first one I drove one was when I worked at Exotic Cardioship. We had an anniversary one come in. I know this is crazy, but it had 40 miles on it. It was brand new. And I take it for just a little rip because I just had to know. Same thing. I've always seen him growing up in Midwest. See the nostrils?

Unbelievable how nicely that car drives. It drives so much better than it looks. It also drives like the muscle car I was hoping. It would drive. Like the power trains. It's raw. It has a raw feel to it. And yet, the steering's not great, but the clutch and shifter are great.

It's still felt fast. Modern-day car fast. Yeah, totally. That would be the charger from fast-and-true. I'm supportive. I love that. We're in agreement on this. Legit still kind of want one.

I think we've roped fully going in. I have no qualms. Okay. Next question. Oh, by the way, before people ask, at the beginning, he drove around in a lightning and at FIT lightning. He'd have a Ford Maverick Lobo. Yeah, he had a, Maverick Lobo? I mean, what you think?

No. It's the coolest Ford Pets. Yeah, but he would be in a fast truck and the... Yeah, the Ford Matriclago. He'd be in a Raptor. No. You know what he'd be in? He'd be in a Rivian.

Oh, my. Do you think they would talk about the fact that it's much harder to overnight parts from Japan now? Tariffs. Tariffs. We used to be able to overnight parts from Japan. Now we can't. Trump screwed us. Okay.

Here's the next question. From Allen's... Wait. I got to say this. I'm so sorry. If you want to go look at a bunch of the cars from the Fast and Furious movie, Go to the Peterson. Let me tell you something.

If there's something that Felipe can promote, folks, go to the Peterson and tell everyone you meet that Felipe sent you. He'll be so thrilled. I would be. When they'll go, who is Phil? I don't know. Okay. This is a great question from Alam Spreco.

In your opinion, what is the worst car when it comes to being the most maintenance-heavy, but simultaneously not getting any enjoyment of ownership in return? Because a lot of cars, the maintenance-heavy cars, like the Kuntash, we do it because we love them, and they're really enjoyable, and it's worth it. What car is incredibly maintenance heavy, but not enjoyable. Fisker Ocean? Maybe. They're reliable.

Any Fisker product? But I was thinking about it, and I started to think about our friend Nick. And he's got that P-38. Yeah. And that car is bad to own and bad to own. Now, I don't think it's the worst. When I was thinking about it more, the X-JS. Oh.

The Jaguar X-J-S. has got to be number one. It's up there. It's incredibly difficult to own with its big old V-12 and all of its issues. It looks like a beauty. And yet it isn't really

that enjoyable to use. It doesn't drive all that well. You're perpetually worried that you're going to damage it if you press the accelerator. But the P-38 of Nix has got to be up there. So British cars.

I think a lot of British Leyland vehicles of this era. Yeah. Yeah. I thought you were going to say the Chrysler Pacifica. Well, that's actually probably also up there.

Don't you think it's one of those two or something similar. Yeah. It is. I've always wanted to like these cars. You ever driven one? No. Well, yeah, exactly.

I drove this one. Yeah, I remember. You know, I'm, I don't want to say this. Oh, no. Oh, wow. Portia 928s. I think it's another good example. The early ones in particular, not the late ones.

The late, like, GTS is where I got really good. Late 928s are pretty good, pretty balanced, especially the manual. There are a lot of automatics and there are a lot of bad ones. And they are hard to take care of as my understanding. The engines require a lot of work. Like, diagnostic stuff is hard. I just put all that money into my 993. Imagine if I dumped it into a $6,200 used car.

Yeah, I mean, yeah. This is actually, this isn't an S with a stick, but if you pull up. I don't think it's an S, but. Oh, no, it just said, oh, yeah, it was. But there are automatics that are like a lot less desirable. They're rare on our site. Yeah, we don't accept many, although we have accepted. We've hosted some, to be clear.

This is one. Yeah. So, yeah. That's a good one. This is definitely $6,000 car. Yeah. I've always, again, it's another car I've wanted to like, but I just can't bring myself. I do still think about getting a GTS occasionally.

GTS is cool. No, I can't even tell you last on some of it. Although I promised, you know, one came to our cars and coffee with a manual transmission not that long ago. It was a crazy color combo, too. That's a green interior or something horrible. Really? Yeah. Yeah, that's a serious car.

Those cars don't come up for auction very often, but they bring real money when they do. They are great to drive. Seriously great cars to drive. But it took them that long. A car came out in like 77. It took them like 17 years to make one that somebody really wanted. Right. And even then they killed it shortly after this.

Yeah, and then they killed it. They pulled the General Motors. Oh, man. Hit us with another question. You got any better ones? Do you have any? No. You think those are the ones?

Yeah, yeah. I think that pretty clearly. Okay. Next question from... Next question from Joe Silver. Dear Doug, by the way, before we do this question, I actually want to talk about the Fisker Oceans. I was in New York City.

Oh, you must have seen many. I was there in New York City there. They're all taxis. And I rode in one. And the woman, the driving the Fisker Ocean told me the whole story. The company that bought them is leasing them to drivers. Yep. Per week.

Sure. They do for a lot of ride share rental. Yeah. And I can't remember what she said it cost me a thousand bucks every two weeks or something. Well, it also allows them a lot of flexibility. Yeah. She says, like, if I don't want to drive, I just don't rent the car for those two weeks from traveling. But she said it's like a thousand bucks every two weeks and things.

But she said the company. companies already made the money back by far. The cars have not been that expensive to own. They've actually been pretty good. Customers like them. They work as Uber blacks. They work for like black car companies. And she says it's like a nice car and it's pretty fun.

And she showed me that she still has 500 launches left. And I was like, do a launch. Let's go. You think they check when she returns that car? She did tell me that it has horrible seasonality for its range. A lot of EVs get bad in the cold. But she said that one goes. She said she's seen as optimistic as like 380 miles or 400 miles

and when it's nice and down to 165 miles on the coldest days. It's a two-year-old car. EV's like that or the perfect use case for taxis. Yeah, because I was like, even at 165 miles, she basically was like, I don't, in Manhattan mostly. Like you can't drive, no matter, she's like, I can drive 12-hour days and not end up driving anywhere near the rain. My recollection from when we had that very one in the office.

for a while. Yeah. And from reading a lot of forums about it. Keyfobbs are a real problem. Yep. Keyfob often didn't work. And like some like on startup tech. But if you're a taxi, you never turn the car off.

Keep in mind though also that that Fisker sold not only the vehicles but all of the parts and the software stuff to this company. And so I have a suspicion that this company maybe hired some people who maybe were able to work out some of the difficulties of that stuff. That's brilliant. In order to try to keep these things in the road. They still are pretty modern and they look pretty nice and they're pretty new. I mean, New York now has a ton of varied vehicles because of Uber's, I mean, I wrote on a BZ4X, just all sorts of different stuff. And this is probably the best stuff.

Also, good leases. They are really cool. When this car came out, I was so into it and was really hoping it would be successful. It's nice to that actually can be relatively reliable, although I hadn't heard that before. Yeah, but you could still buy one. I don't want one. I did see a dog's head out the California window, like a one California motor. There are two by a cat and I live near each other.

There are two. There are some. Next question from EVs and clutch pedals. This one's for you, Philippo, and I know the answer, but I hope you know the answer. Okay. What are the most and least luxurious luxury car brands? We know the most roles, Bentley, et cetera. What's the least luxurious luxury car brand?

Infinity. Can I tell them the correct answer, please? No, infinity is up there. Lexus is good. I don't know. Have you been in Infinity? The answer is Tesla. You consider Tesla about luxury brand?

Oh, interesting. The greater culture considers Tesla to be electric ramp. Because they started with the Model X. Whether or not you or I do, people think a Tesla, people like brag on social media about their Tesla. And it's like, that's more common than a Honda Accord at this point. Like, they are everywhere. That's a good point. Ryan Lopez is literally an enthusiast.

And it's like being an enthusiast of the 2012 Honda Civet. Those are two. Tesla, they're killing the Model F less than Model X. there's a signature edition. A Model X signature edition is a $160,000 car. They'll sell nine. You know, but like they're clear, like, because they launch with the S and the X,

I think they are a luxury brand. And because they're like futuristic. And so people are like, oh, it's futuristic. But we had, in the office, we had a Model Y, base model, new brand new one that I reviewed that's going to go up, I think next month, maybe the end of this month.

That was the trashiest trash. We all drove it. We all agreed it was the worst car. For a luxury car, It was, the NVH was so bad. Again, it was a base, base, base. I, well, all right, if you're going to take that sense, I'd say Maserati. No, because that's the least luxurious-ish.

Is it? Yeah, they have, like, leather on the dash. The MC-20 is, like, a pretty interesting. The M-C-20 is good, but the Ghibli still-It's pretty nice inside, though. Like, the materials feel decent enough. It's quiet. It's composed. I think more than Tesla, Mazura.

Like, Tesla is the least luxurious luxury car band. It is luxurious in name alone, not in actual practice. Yeah, agreed. I forgot about Tesla because they're not luxury in my mind, but they are. But the market said that. Oh, you had a Tesla? Whoa. And it's like any other car would be better than.

I'll give you a second one. You can get an UberX, it will probably be a Tesla. It's a pretty good chance. Oldsmobile. Oh, how sweet. Actually, no, they were pretty a lot of luxurious. Can I pull up a little of wheels? I'll only have time for one more question which was sad because they were so fire.

We also have some gifts we have to get through. For example, the Torado. I mean, that's a luxury brand. A luxury car Pull up What is, Pull up that Alara

That was a nice allera We didn't have any intrigues Pull up the Sierra Look at this cutlass Sierra We all agree That Oldsmobile was the luxury brand The Midla luxury brand But the luxury brand

Well Buick and Oldsmobile That's why That's why one of them had to go It didn't make sense that they both I will happily give Buick Can I go back to that interior photo You were on And we see

There's a third row Go back to the Keep going This one Yeah Apply break to shift from Park You gotta remind the people It's really nostalgic, isn't it?

You gotta love that level of Every GM products To shift from part But even just looking at that, I know how that feels Oh yeah Oh yeah, you can feel that thing clunk into gear You can feel that thing clunking to gear. You can feel that thing clung You feel like you're breaking it every time

But you know, but it does that alert You also know that the AC was cold Oh, very cold Yeah Every GM product And shocked that as a blue and cherry You're not red like they all that Okay, last question

Last question. From Mac 05. Oh, from Silent Salami. From Silent Salami. Sure. It usually is. When talking about car sales, you often disregard fleet sales. Why are they not important?

A sale is still a sale, right? Fleet sales are profitless is why I disregard them. Almost every automaker, fleet sales are complicated. Automakers have union contracts labor with their factories, and they kind of have to make a certain number of cars per year or else they're paying people not to work, more or less. This isn't entirely hard and fast, but it's sort of how it works. In some cases, in order to make sure the automakers hit those numbers and get the cars sold and get the cars built that they have to build, they have fleet contracts and sell cars to fleets,

and they basically don't make any money from that. And Honda has never made fleet sales. And as a result, Honda has a cord, which is probably more popular than the Toyota Camry or just as popular, has never even been close to the Toyota Camry, which sells in pretty significant numbers to fleets from rental car companies. And that's a decision Toyota goes after. They sell those cars, I don't want to say for practice, but they definitely do not sell them for massive profits. That Oldsmobile Cutlass Sierra, I guarantee, was a fleet sale at one point.

That was a rental car at the Houston airport in 1987 or whatever. 96. I can't believe it left. And so that's why we kind of disregard them. It's like, okay, you sold them many cars, but a lot of people can sell cars to fleets. Rental car companies have significant demand for cars. And so just being able to sell 100,000 units every year, but you sold all of your Dodge Darts to enterprise,

that doesn't really suggest there is consumer demand for a vehicle. The company's not making money, the public is not interested in the cars. It is technically a sale, and on the sale chart it counts. But that's one of the reasons why I always prefer, when possible, to look at actual financials from automakers, rather than Buick just saying, we're selling more cars than ever before. It's like, yeah, I see a lot of them with rental car plates.

You know, we all know that the floor, Florida sticker that says PM, we know it's a rental car. Good old permanent. I will also say we care a lot, especially in this podcast, about consumer sentiment. Like, what are people choosing to spend their money on? How does that reflect how competitive that manufacturer's product is? Fleet sales are wholly unrelated to that. The enterprise is not buying that car because consumers are, wow.

In fact, I would argue the opposite, right? Enterprise cannot buy the desirable cars in that segment because they're already sold. They're selling them. And so they buy the Dodge Dart because or the cobalt at the end because those are available to them. It's quite the opposite. There is a little bit one exception. You may have seen in the news a bunch that Lucid has an agreement with one of the auto self-driving companies. Ravion has another one where they have some commitment.

The reason that's in the news is that that indicates that that company can keep producing cars. They produce so few that committing 30,000 Lucid is like, oh, wow, they need to now build 30,000 lucids. And that's why it's in the news and interesting because they're so low on the production scale. Yeah, I guess so. It's still, that is a worthy news story, but I think it still indicates the same thing. Oh, 100%.

You're not seeing Rivian's sell. Although Rivians are Caltrans cars. I was in D.C. There's Rivians driving around is D.C. City of D.C. Built in America. And also, there's a bunch of, like, AI overlap things where they want to be partnered with the company doing AIS.

Built in America. Okay, that's the end of our podcast today, except we have one more thing to mention. Yes, this arrived. Someone actually reached out to me on the Instagrams and said they were going to send this to us and this is what they sent. This is from Nick.

This is a BMW clock. This is evidently from a dealer at the time and it's supposed to look like a BMW gauge. So imagine you're selling Z8s. And this is also, it's made out of metal and it's like heavy. Oh my God. Yeah, it looks like plastic, like a lot of BMW metals

at the time. But it's actually made of metal. Does it work? And it's cold. It does. I'll put a battery in it later. But it looks. looks like a gauge.

Oh, you see this? Woo! Oh, please. Why are you? Like that? He said it to me. He does this. He takes, he plays with things that aren't toys.

Very weird. But it also, for you, it says not only MPAH on the gauge, but also KPA. Oh, it says KPH for Philippa. For Philippa. Because that's what he's used to as a boy growing up in Italy. In Italy. Definitely not be in bed. Can I know that they say MPH and then KM slash H?

Yeah, Kilmerous Hauer. Okay, I can't continue this. But I'm very excited. Thank you very much. Kenner, do anything else? We do, actually. We have quite a few. These kids...

We have a lot of gifts. Yes, this comes from a viewer named David. David. Shout out David. Send us a box. Where's David located? David, I actually met him at the Texas Hill Country rally. Plano, Texas is named from...

So he sent us a bunch of cars. These two are for you specifically. A douchevo. I don't know why I have a two CV. I don't know why you're not. Let's see what else is in here. He explicitly said every Italian car in here is for Felipe. Dueto.

He gets a duetto. Yeah, he gets a Julia T.I. He gets a... He gets a Julia. T.I. He gets a Mura. He gets a Mira SV. Julia, this is for Sean.

Hey, Doug. Yeah, come on. Maserati, too. But it's Italian, so I'm really sorry. He wanted me to call this up for you specifically, Felipe. Sorry, David. I saw. That's so cool. This one's for God.

And I get all the German cars. He gave all the German cars to me. Ooh, Shammal. Two Shammal. Wait, I want to show. I've gotten you a Shemal before. I've seen the Shemal before. I think you get the Pantera.

That's Italian technically. I'm taking the Lamo. At 40 Com. David, absolute. pleasure. Thank you for gifting our office with this. Well, keep going through them. They're acres of them. Wonderful podcast. Our third best ever, and

maybe best now that I have in Elmo, too. Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye.