THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Nissan Sent WHAT to Doug? BMW's Biggest Mistake! Every Mustang Ranked!

Episode Date: May 16, 2025

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And welcome to a very special episode of this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Filippo. And today, I'm not here. I'm here, right? But I'm not, okay, so here's the deal. I'm out this week. I'm unavailable.

So we're recording this episode early. And so we're not going to have our usual segments where we have the news and all this stuff because we can't talk. So instead we're going to do, we're just going to do questions. Oh. This is going to be an entire episode of questions. Good questions? They're good questions.

What these questions are is questions from previous week. that I had on my list and we just didn't have time for. So now we're gonna just do them all. Wow, okay. But before that happens, I wanna share with you a little surprise. Oh, man. About a month ago, two months, I don't know. I get an email from Nissan.

Oh. And they say, hey, we have a gift for you. And they describe the gift in the email. And I don't, do you know what this is? I know from other, the internet, what they're giving out. I don't accept, generally I don't care to receive gifts from the automakers. Although I do have Toyota Mirai cocktail napkins.

What? That's pretty good. You should question whether I reviewed the Mirai accurately because they bribed me with paper cocktail. They're not reusable. Do they just have an outline of a Marai? It just says the word Mirai in their script. The new one. The newest one.

It doesn't have a picture of the Mirai. It says Mirai in the Mirai script. Okay. And honestly, ironically, like the water leaking out of the exhaust plan. They weren't actually even. a gift. I stole them from what must have been a brunch or something, because I didn't attend a dinner on that. Anyway, the point is, I don't take gifts from the automakers. Yeah. But Nissan sends me this letter, and I simply can't say no because they sent me, thank you for being part of our

story. We appreciate your interest in the Nissan Z-Z Nismo precision sushi knife. Yeah. What? And I'm like, they sent me this. And I was like, I can't say no to this. This is the single stupidest thing I've ever heard of in my life. I must accept it. And so what I have in here is, by the way, this is a personal gift to me, okay? Nissan Z-Nismo. So it's a shooshy knife with the Z logo. Well, I mean, because you've been so generous

because we're talking about Nissan's great successes on the podcast recently. I actually have been pretty generous to the Z, which I think is a pretty good car. Wow, this is quite, by the way, this is under embargo until March 21. So I hope that God. It looks very sharp. I mean, it says warning. This knife is sharp. Actually, there's a quick safety.

Before you handle it, there's a quick safety notice in here. This knife is extremely sharp. Please handle it with care and store it responsibly. Nissan is not liable for any injuries resulting from its use. By use, misuse, or abuse. Don't abuse my knife. Listen, put that card back in here. This is OE.

I have this OE in box. Oh, yeah, I've taken it out of the. I've unboxed it. In 75 years, when you have a Nissan Z-Nismo, you're going to, if you have the sushi knife, it goes along with the car. This is your F-50 shoes moment. You have the most desirable. If you have the sushi knife that goes along with the car, notice the Z logo. If you have the sushi knife that goes along with the car, your Z will be worth at least $75 more.

Are they giving this to Z owners? No. No, no, they're only giving it to. A esteem journalist. I don't want to say VIPs. I don't want to say it. But I think Nissan said it,

if you know what I mean. Yep. ZIPs in their case, but that is quite, that is quite something. Can I ask you? Are they pretending that there's a tie to this besides Japan?

I'm not sure. Is it like metal that's also used in wood from the construction? There's a chef involved. And they go to, they point to his Instagram page. It's like a collab between them and some chef whose name is Hiroyuki Terada. Sure,

but I don't, I can't. Oh, there's only 240 of the, whoa, tribute to the original 240 Z. Oh, I don't get out of here. Thieves. Dang. Okay, 240. 240.

One of 240 Nissan sushi knife situation. I think it's, wow. Oh, wow. Look at this. It's got all the Z logos on it, 1969, 83, 902, 2009, and the new one. And the PR person that put this together must have been so happy with them. themselves. Well, as they should. That's a nice sounding box. This is a Z and Hiro Yuki

Tirata. The box sounds nice. And I bet you this is made of the same wood that's in their cars. Plastic wood. Filippo recognizes quality when he hears it. Anyway, look, the point is, I just wanted to tell everybody that I'm a recipient of this gift because I wanted people to know how Nissan views me. As a ZIP. What an outrageous thing to send you. It's insane. And again, I turned out a lot of these gifts, but I, you can't turn that down. I agree. So from now on, you should suspect any of my Z reviews because they've bribed me with this sushi knife. The next time they release

an update to the Nissan Z, you'll review it'll never have to worry because it's never going to be another Zee. Maybe then it'll be chopsticks, maybe it'll be an actual samurai sword. It'll just keep getting more intense. The knife's limited to 240 units just like the cost. Demand limited,

based on sales projection. That's the sales projection for like second half of the year. Okay. New South was so happy with you for like a minute. All right. We're going to do questions. This is Question Day for everybody.

Woo! All right. Let's dive in. Let's dive in. Okay. I'm going to choose these at random. There's 22. We're not going to even get to all of these.

Whoa. Now, by the way, keep in mind, if you want to ask us questions, you can. You go to Cars and Bids.com. You click on the community tab, and there's a poster that says, ask us questions for the next pod, and we'll get to them. This pod is unusual because it's off schedule. But after this, we're going to go back to our normal question routine. Okay. Are you ready?

Yes. Prepared. Okay. Is this a test or just questions? No, no. I feel pressure. Okay. And yeah, there's a few rankings that I'll interspers throughout.

Here's a good one. First question from a user whose name I'm not going to say on air. For everyone, this is a good one. If you had to pick a brand new car that was not sold in the U.S., which one would you get? Now, we constantly get asked. What car do you want to pour? Easy. So easy.

So easy. at 25, but if you had to pick a new one, you're both saying so easy, so easy and I know you're thinking of different cars. So, it could not be more. Different cars. Okay. Can I guess? Yeah, of course.

It's not the same. You were thinking of the Mitsuoka Buddy. No. Oh, come on. Yes, you are. No, I wish I had, but no. You're thinking of the buddy. I do not want a raft for that looks like a K-5 blaser.

That's all you need to know about it. Isn't that what we all want? Can I ask you a question? Have you okay? Is there a functional? Buddy is, you know. Is there a functional difference between the Mitsuoka Buddy and the Bronco Sport? Yes, the Mitsuoka Buddy is based on a better car.

But you get my point. The Bronco Sport is a Ford Escape that looks like a Bronco. The Mitsuoka Buddy is a Ravre that looks like a Blazer. Chevy wouldn't do it so Toyota did. I oversimplified. It looks like a K-5 Blazer with a Cadillac SRX. Yeah, the rear is. The rear is.

A very SRX. The whole thing is, but it's, yeah, particularly unfortunate. That is not the answer I had in mind. You know, this car gets uglier every time we talk about it. It really does. You know, we have talked about before. I actually very much agree with this. It really does look worse.

I use the same picture, too. For some reason, I always think it's just the front end. Anyway, what's your answer? Car you could import. I want you to guess. Jimney. No. Jimney's a good guess.

The Honda E. No. Also, no longer sold. But I would like a Peugeot 508 station wagon, please. That's on sale? Yeah. Is it EUG? Yes.

507 and Wagon. 508. Come on, man. Get with the correct century. Pujo 507, 508 wagon. Is this electric? There are plug-in hybrid ones, yes. Okay, and you want this.

I do. I presume that the top version of it is a hundred and forty-five horse car. That's all you need. 145 horse, and you know what? There's a shifter guide that at 600 RPM, it pops on and makes Filippa shift into a second. A small steering wheel. Is that one of those ones that the students are?

I think all the little is. Okay. It's like the opposite of skip shift. It makes you shift. It makes you shift into second really early. I think there's a one of the, this is a great looking station wagon. There's a lot of great looking station wagons on the market in Europe right now.

This is a tremendously bland. Pull up a front. I mean, it's a good looking car. It's a boring. It's a, it's a, it's a car.

It's a car. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Filippo is over here. Kenan and I also have a European station wagon. Kenan, do you want to say it or me?

You go ahead. The new M3 wagon. One of the great mistakes of product planning is that BMW didn't sell this car here in the unit. Too much power. Too much power. Oh my God. Do they sell this with a stick? No, because it's comps only.

That's too bad. But still, new M3 wagon. Five-O-A-Wagon sold the stick. Oh, that is so cool. Five-O-Wage. I would rather have this with a tip than a five-o-weight wagon with front-wheel drive, a plug-in hybrid system on 131 horsepower. respectfully disagree. From a 1.6-liter two-cylinder.

He disrespectfully. That's what you were going to say. No, Gordon-Marie T-33 is the answer. That's sold here. No, it isn't. They're going to do it show or display. That means it's not sold. Oh, my God, I drove around in an SP3.

I drove around Bell Gardens in an SP3. I almost got knife to death, but I did survive it. I'm glad that you said it. I'm glad you said the 33. I don't know why I might be in that. Yeah, why about the 50? Which is a choice. Because I think the 33 is prettier and like more easy to use and like.

Oh sure. Yeah. Famously a car that's going to be easy to. Well, it is. The 30, the 50 is you have to sit in the middle. Go up. What's happened? Oh my God.

Go down. Oh my God. Okay. What's happening there? Is that there's a luggage compartment in there? Yeah. And it opens up like this. Do you agree with me that luggage is?

Well, that's clearly. Yeah, that's not a real image. No, I mean, it doesn't have handles. Well, yes. It would be difficult to care. No, you just carry on with no handles. Gordon Murray is all about saving weight. Exactly. You work on your buy.

You don't even need the luggage because you're all about saving weight when you travel. Yeah, the T50, the T50, but I don't, it's not as pretty as this car. I think the T33 is better looking. Boy, I tell you something, if this car came out tomorrow from an unknown hypercar company that was claiming to build a car, I wouldn't give it a second look. But because it's, Gordon-Bority, we have. It has that spectacular, naturally aspirated beef-all- Which is made by Cosworth.

Why don't you just get a beef-fax? RS4. Because they doesn't have a V12 in it. So you think yeah, but it's got something, something for Cosworth Yeah, causeworth is not enough. It must have 12 cylinders, individual throttle bodies. I got ITBs in my Kintosh. Well, all right.

Actually, I think the Courageeat team might have ITs. Maybe not, but my car certainly. All right, good choices all. Okay, that was a good question and we've all made good choices. I believe that Kenan and I won. This isn't a game show, but I think we could say that Yeah.

Okay. Next question. Philippo has got a dry erase board. I can erase it. We don't have paper in this office? Well, I don't want to waste it. You don't waste paper. Okay.

All right. The question is as follows, and this is a good one. This is our first rank. There's going to be a few today. Okay. Rank every generation of Range Rover. We didn't even need paper for this. Yeah, we don't.

You're right now. Well, let's just say my lot. Range River Classic, the P38, the L322, whatever the one after the one after the L-405. Right. And the current one. which is the something or other, but you can just say new.

Okay. You're going to put the... Hmm. The P38's last. It just is. Yeah. I mean, the P38 is probably my favorite Rangerover, to be perfectly honest,

but it is so raucously badly built that you can't put it at us anything other than last. I don't disagree with that. Even the original is... It looks better than every other Range Rover. It has a wonderful seating position. I don't know about that. It has a smooth power.

rain, it's last. I don't think it looks better than every other range or. I think in this color with these wheels, it does not, but I think a very nice, a black O2 is probably one of the best-looking SUVs ever,

if not the single best-looking SUV of all time. A black, a black O2, take a, yeah, that one, but that one, that one. First of all, the E-53X-5 exists. So, and what did they base the whole E-53X-5 ethos on? That is true. But it looks better.

Actually, they worked with them specifically. The E-53-5 looks better. No, it's a, I don't. curvy thing. And it's got those lumps on the... Okay, and the headlights isn't the front is the best look. This is a very classic... This is the best thing ever.

It is the worst Range Rover. Yeah. Oh, look at that. Yeah. If you were driving that in 1999, you might as well... You could buy or sell people like a pen. Which, by the way, you didn't use

because you had assistance following you everywhere, writing down everything you said. That's right. Yes. Take a note. By the way, one of the highlights of the movie, The Parent Trap. Yeah. Okay, so P38's last.

We agree on that. Do you agree on that? Oh my God, you're not going to. What are you going to say is last? He's going to put the new one last because it's kind of. No, no, no, no. The new one's not first in my list, by the way. Okay.

What's first on your list? You, if you don't say... The L-405. But you would... Oh, my God. I can't. I'm done. We're done.

Good out, everybody. Thanks for coming to the podcast. I don't know if I believe that yet. I got to think about that a little more. I got to think about that a little more. Okay. I am putting it... I am putting it.

I don't think the P3 is second false. I'm putting the classic last. What? Oh my God! What? I was going to put it first. I'm going to put... Okay, well, that's all insane.

I take it back. I'm going to put... You know what the hard part about this is? None were great. I'm going to put the... Right. You know, normally it is picking between a lot of great cars. This time, it's like picking between a lot of bad cards?

It's pretty easy to rank from the bottom up, but I don't like any of my options at the top. I'm putting... That's hard. It's hard. It's hard. But I'll tell you what the answer is. The L. 4 or 5... It kind of made range over a successful brand again.

The 405 is second to last. Wow. Respectfully. No. It had the timing chain issue. It went to six cylinders. They never quite had the king of the road feel that the first two, three generations had. You get in an L405, it feels more like a car.

A P38 or an L322, you get in that thing. You feel like you own the people around you and they are your subdux. And I did love your L322. And when I see a nice L322, I still legitimately get accepted. I wish we could separate 0.3 to 05. No, you can't, though. That's the issue. That's the issue.

I have a new take. Okay. Oh, wow. You're saying that the P-3 is last because of its unreliability. Well, they all will be that way. It's not, you don't understand. You don't understand. The P-38, all of them are unreliable.

The P-38, if you look at it, if you look at it, the air suspension fails, the electronics fail, the heater core fails. There is not a single Land Rover shop in the entire country that doesn't. have seven of these sitting in the back, unclaimed because there was a repair bill that was more than $1,200. It's only because the classics all rusted away. All right, look at that.

Coil spring conversion. The other ones aren't old enough. Cold spring conversion. Coal spring conversion, coil spring conversion. This one's out of motor swap. All right. Put a new motor in some springs, you know. What do you do?

I'm going to revise mine to not put P30 a back. I don't think I can put the iconicness. For Christ. I'm going to put a second to last instead. After what? I'm putting. What's last? What's last?

What do you put below? What do you put first? I don't even know, like, what's the put. The new one is theory. The new one is a great car, but it doesn't improve on the Ranger in any notable way. And it's not dissimilarate or different from or better than any of the other luxury SUVs that are for sale right. I'm going to totally disagree. It is still the gold standard.

So you're going to put the... Still the gold standard. So by your logic, the 4 or 5 should be the best. I do think the 4 or 5 legitimately innovated in the space. Oh, my God. Because it was a mass broad. bought our appeal. The first three have exotic car. Okay, look, we got to finish this because this is.

I'm going to tell you what the answer is. All right. L322. First, God, I don't want to say 322 first. Yeah, but you're going to. You're going to. You're going to. Then classic and then new and then there you go. That's actually a pretty good ranking. You're saying L322. L322, Rangover Classic, New Rangerover, 405.

You know what? That's mine. Incredibly. I'll get behind it. Wow. You agree with mine? I think that. Wow. I would put P-38 where you have classic. My second? I love the P-38.

I love the P-38, too, but I'm a human being. And I put the 405 at the bottom. I have places to go. The 4-5 was a great car. Yeah. So what's first for you? But the P-38, like the classic, is an icon. What's first for you, the 322?

I think the 322. I want to be very clear here. We both have ranked the L-322 first. This does not count the O3-0-5 models. Those are utter. Do not buy one of those. Unless it's for sell cars. No.

And if this, if this rant makes people never sell one again on cars and bids? Thank God. Yeah, when I think of a Ranger, that is still what I think. The 06 to 12s are really great cars. Okay. Next question. How do we get away with

this? This is the first time we've done a ranking, and Instagram will agree. Well, I don't know about that. I don't think that's true. But Instagram generally prefers, I've looked at the comments, and I've generally seen, the Instagram prefers the raddiest as the first. No, they would be P38 are too ratty to be ready.

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Where is the floor on the previous gen AMGGGGT? Boy, that's a good question. Fill up our sales. Not low enough. No, they are, they are less than you would think. Hit lowest price. No, there's so much less than you to think. These cars are selling

routinely in the low 60s now. I think they're going to keep going down. They are exotic looking. This car has 14,000 miles and sold for $63,000. This is a bona fide exotic car. So with 28,000 miles, you got to assume like it. And that was six months ago. How many miles of this?

These cars are in the 50s. This one had 38,000 miles and sold for 625. Solar beam. These cars are in, I'm telling you, these cars are in the 50s. They're such good looking cars. So the question is, where's the floor? I think it would go down a little bit more, but I mean, it's a pretty great value as it stands.

Why do we think there is a floor? What's a 17-9-11 cost? Double that. Yeah, way more. Yeah. Double 120? No, but in the high... No, but they're like mid-80s. Yeah.

I mean, that's not an exaggeration. It's wild. This is a wild thing that's happened. By the way, the four-door GC-63 is the greatest four-door car I've ever driven in my entire life. Wow. I'm going to say it. Okay, all right.

What do you got? What do you think's better? Lucid air? Yeah. No. Did you see 53 is a special car? I think there is a floor because there is a floor to that level of combustion engine performance. I guess.

I mean... But the VA, at some point that becomes much more desirable. I think these cars make it into the 30s. I think 30s is where my head went. I think, yeah, for a tired one with some bad mods. I don't think more than... I think you're wrong. I think when they're just 15 years old, they're going to be generally in the 30s.

I don't know. That shape for 30, like that seems kind of... I don't know. 30. but like 37, 33 to 37 for like an okay one. So it's going to be between this and a Gen 1 Viper. No, keep in mind. Yeah.

That's what a DB9 costs. Yeah. And that's a gorgeous bar of the 8. Yeah, but the DB9 is cheap because it is unreliable. I've done more research. It turns out that has a lot of problems. I think there's a presumption that these will be unreliable as they age. No, no, I did highly disagree.

But I think people, German cars depreciate because of that presumption. Whether or not you think it will. I don't think, yeah. But this engine is. in everything. I mean, this engine's notoriously reliable. It might be, but my point is that they end up with a reputation for potentially having issues. Do you understand what I understand that? I want to do research if these actually do or not. But I don't think that matters. My point is, used Mercedes AIMG cars always lose value because people think they're underlying. I get your point,

that applies to most Ford or normal AMG cars. This is a very serious looking sports car. No, but he's right. Vantages, DB9. Vantages are reliable. SL 63's? don't, like once they're 10, 20 years old, are in the below 30s. But that, again, it's more, why is that different? But I think because, like, if you're talking about public perception, most people will look at those cars and just think it's kind of an old cell. This doesn't look old, nor does it look like an SL. Give it a time.

It looks more like a super car. Give it time. It'll look old. And keep in mind, the SL was renamed to be this in the next generation. I think you're exactly right. Maybe it'll go lower than 30s. I'm saying 20s. No. Floor?

To the floor. What's an SL 55 cost? $8,800? $800. Truly. What's an SL 55 cost? How is this any different? The only difference is 14 years.

Pull up lowest price. I bet you can get one for 8,800. 10, 450, same thing. I don't think it's just that. These were focused, this era of Mercedes-Benz AMG was focused on speed, not handling performance. The much more modern MGT is a better handling, better driving car.

And that will keep it appealing to enthusiasts out of certain price. Well, this is more related to the, in most people's eyes, I think the SLS than this was the SLR, for instance. Like, this is more related, looks more like a supercar, like in a lot of people's minds. So, I don't know. 20s, 30s and apparently like 100 grand. No, no, I think it's going to be like somewhere in the 40s, I think it's probably worth.

But I mean, still, I mean, so you lose 10 grand on one if you bought one of that one or this. I mean, like. Yeah, no, either way, even if it gets into the 30s, you're talking to years, they'll be, they're pretty good buys now. Yeah, it's a solid. But they did lose value quicker than I expected and they are still going down. And I'm pretty impressed with it. I'm shocked at the value prop here. And I think especially a good value prop is this GT-63-4-door, and I want one.

I want one bad. I saw one today. I was in the career-G-T-I-Sle-Wing today. He's coming towards me. You did? Yeah, G-G-G-G-G-T-4-O, and I'm looking at him like, oh, and he didn't even see the career-dry. I will say...

Which is a perfect example of why I don't really like those cars. It's the stigma of the people who drive. But the way they drive is... These cars are so athletic. It's amazing how they drive. Truly amazing. I will also say none of what we said applies to the GT-53-4-door or the Gt or the Gt Those are going to the zero.

Sixth and there's a little bit more eventually. Going to zero. Okay, next question. This is another beautiful question. Do it like Trump. Say a beautiful question. Another beautiful question.

All right. From Haseel. Haseel. What do you think? This is a great one for us, Kenna. What do you think is the least desirable car worth over a million dollars? Oh, man.

There are so many. I can give you a lot. There are a lot of cars. I cannot believe over a million dollars. New Kuntash is really. deeply up there. On that list. Firmly.

But there's a lot. There are a lot. Can you name stuff? Yeah. I mean, Pagani Waira, New Kuntash, Lamborghini Sian, Lamborghini.

Most Konigs eggs. Eventador, FKP 57, or whatever it was called. Lamborghini, Chentonario, Lamborghini of Reventone, Lamborghini, and all of those super low production,

stupid Lamborghinis. Yeah, most Conig's things. only because they're incredibly unreliable. I'm sure there's some BS Jerry Seinfeld 356. That's a million. That is actually a great. Any air cooled that a normal person couldn't tell apart from another air cooled

if that's over a million dollars is number one on this list. If it looks like a bathtub and it's over a million dollars, that it's number one of the slip. We know it so badly, we know it so little that it doesn't belong. Well, I mean, when it makes 43 horsepower, I can't really be bothered with that. McLaren's Saber. Yeah. You don't even know.

I do it actually. It's frightening. I mean, and to be clear, a lot of people will think these cars are just, it's just, it's hard to justify, it's hard to describe how much a million dollars is. It's a million dollars. And especially because that car is $1.3 million dollars, and that's better than all of them. Yeah. So like, new Ford G.

Wow. Well, those are a million dollars. No, they're not. I love when we make fun. No, but I mean, there's a lot of this stuff that is like crazy, crazy. These supercars that were made just to make rich people feel special, to me do not have significant. And back when we were young, like, when Enzo traded hand for 1.2, it was like, wow. I mean, because there were only a handful of cars in that realm that weren't like super vintage Ferraris or like whatever.

But like, remember when Akuta sold for over a million? Do you remember that? Yeah, I mean, there's one that's like. The rumors were paying big money for that stuff at the time. I got to be honest with you, I find those cars to be more desirable. Yeah, I totally would rather have those cars. But, yeah, there are so many cars that are over a million now, and I just don't think that it's not a million.

So many cars over a million that were just made to be really rich guy, rich guy jewel cars. Like, they're not, like, the cars that were over a million before were because the market felt they were worth a million. And the cars that are over a million now, Lamborghini comes out with a rebodied event that are calls it at a Kuntash, prices it at 2.8. And then the only thing,

people who buy them are rich guys who never drive them who think because they got a call to buy one that they're special. And the market has shown that that's not a lot of interest in those cars. They're dropping like flies on the used market. Right. At one point in the past, that was true. If you got that call to Vianenza, you were special. That's right. That's exactly right. There was a time when if you got a call to buy one of these cars. And now, as Ed Bolian told me, he said, people come to me and say, I got an allocation for this. And Ed told me, he said, the thing I asked the people is, did you do anything to deserve this allocation? And he said, if the answer is no, you probably don't want the allocation.

Because that car is going to depreciate like crazy, which we're already finding. It's a very fair point. So that's the nuance there. I realize that these cars are all crazy and stuff, but like that's the... Can you spec in SF90 to over a million? No, you can probably get close. I saw 80 was the highest size. But there's now that SF90 high performance one.

Well, there's... Yes. So probably. Maybe. Oh, there's nothing. Yep. Add that to the list. Yeah.

Truly. Okay. Next question. And so the answer is there's a lot of them. And we kind of, I've gotten to the point where I really only respect a million-dollar cars. If they weren't a million bucks originally and the market has kind of taken them there, there are some exceptions to that, like the Bugatti-Veyron, the Bugatti-Zond. Probably wasn't a million originally, but it's been a long time in a million.

No, it was nowhere near a million. Yeah. There are some others, too, if I really thought about it. I actually really do like the Reventone. I said, I mentioned it only because I was going off. But you get my point. Like, I think a lot of the newer crop of cars that don't, really, for me, a million bucks better buy you, the greatest driving car of all time, or the

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NMLS 182334, or www. nmls consumer access.org. Okay, next question. There's some, God, there's some great ones. From BBB-914, question for everyone. When you think of a Ferrari, a Porsche 9-11, or a Lamborghini, what do you think of? Okay, so. Easy.

A Ferrari. What do you think of when you think of a Ferrari? It's just the prototype one I grew up with. 355. It's the F-355. What do you think of? A Ferrari. I'm trying to think of it right now.

I'm trying to think two. To me, it's like, I don't know if I think of an exact car, but it is definitely a red mid-engine, red-tan mid-engine. It's either a 45-8 or a 4-8-8, I think. Something like that. A Ferrari. When I think, oh, it's a Ferrari, that's what it is. When someone says to me, hey, I have a Jeep, I know they're talking about a Wrangler.

When someone says to me, I have a Ferrari, if someone does say that, my presumption would be there in a 4-58 or 488. It's not a Mondiop. But it's like, well, that is mid-engine red. Somebody says they have a Ferrari. A-G-T-4. A Ferrari. Like, to me.

An F-4-30 for some reason. Yeah, maybe F-430. Age-wise. Yeah, same. Okay. What about a portion of 9-11? 930. Oh, damn.

Legit. They were a bunch of my hometown. I remember seeing them all the time. I think of a silver 991. What do you think of? I was going to say a pretty base 997. Pretty base 997. A portion 9-11 to me is a silver 9-11.

There was like an era, which was 997 era, when in like every movie, the rich guy, rich-ish guy, drove a 997 coop. Yeah. And that's just where my head goes. I guess. But to me, when someone says I have a 9-11. they probably have a base 991 I think that's fair I don't disagree

but when you think of 997 I love it I think 997 What about a Lamborghini? A Lamborghini Thinking too much I think today you'd think Huracani I think Guyardoi Yeah I think Guyardoe Huracconi

Some entry level The first one that comes up Really? Good for you Black memes Your brain is great You have all these wonderful visions I'm telling you I'm thinking about a Hurricanes Like that's a Lamborghini

to me. That's kind of a proto-typical. Somebody comes up to me, I own a Lamborghini. They got a hurricane. And when someone says a Lamborghini, like if someone is telling me a story and they're not into cars and they say, I saw this Lamborghini, my assumption is they saw a hurricane.

That's true. I hear that. I'm just saying from my own perspective. And if you saw a Ferrari, I think you're right that like a 4-5-8 is, or like California. It could be a California. Something red.

But in that context, I would think of a California, but still when I think of a Ferrari, I think of a 4-50- You know what someone said, oh, I saw a Ferrari, what was it? Probably a 9-11. It was a McLaren.

That's what they saw. Or it was an alpha male 4C. What's the one that starts with M? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Oh, Maserati? It's a Ghibli.

100% of time people with it. Which, by the way, no floor on those. Okay. Here's a good question from Frank AP. Rank the decades of cars from the 80s to the 2020s. No. Oh, that's pretty easy. Okay.

We agree that number one is 2000 to 2010. The 2000s. That was peak. That was our. It gets, and I hate to be one of those people, but the worst is now. The worst is the 2020. Have you seen 1980s cars? The worst is the 2020.

I don't agree with that. Everything's tip of plush, 280 GTO. I don't think super cars. Obviously, my brain never goes to supercars. And average cars in the 80s. I didn't even consider it from here. Yeah. Nope.

Sorry. Didn't ever my mind. In that case, actually, well, that does change things. Do we think of it? But it's a good point. It's a good point. I do agree with 2000. No,

I think it's a, I think he's right that you should rank them all. Okay. I still think we have a pretty good point. There are a lot of really good normal cross between 2000 and 2002. No, 2000 for sure.

I think for sure. Agreed. Honda was killing it at the time. Yeah. 2000s was great, man. Everybody had an NA four cylinder and a V6 in their midsize. Yeah. You figure out it was a plug-in hybrid or,

names kind of made sense. Like, man, we sound like, we sound like the Lodd That's tough. Okay, but that was a good error for cars. Just look behind me and see the two cars behind me that hail from that era.

Yeah, I don't know. You wouldn't go to me for that shot. Okay, okay. So, then it gets harder. Yeah. Then it gets harder. I think I have to put 80s last. Okay.

I just think that the average car in the 80s, even sports guard in the 80s just were not. There was some garbage at the top of the 80s. When it was that weird transition coming out of the 70s and. out of fuel crisis into and carburetrial versions of that but like

really early tech they've aged poorly I will also note knowing cards and bits data 80s is by far the rarest type of car we sell because there's

aren't that many great enthusiast cars from the era in the US the Germans were not large yet you were not

I wrote that article about how 80s cars are bad and everybody hated it because everybody just thinks of exactly

you denied at the F40 and you've made a point that no good cars were made in the 1980s no good cars

came out the 80s. I really believe that, except for the very end. However, a lot of good cars did come out of the end. The E30, the F40, the Kuntash Anniversario. 959. 959. Yeah, the 959.

Speaking of 959, there's a fellow in my neighborhood who parks a... 9591 in his driveway, and it's a four-car garage. And I figure if he's parking a 991 in his driveway, he's got a 959 probably. That's my assumption. Aren't they like... They've depreciated again. There's like 60,000 other cars? I mean, it's still something I have outside.

You're talking about the 9-9-1. 95-9-7, depreciated. Okay. The next, this is really hard, but I think that the, I'm not going to put 80s last. I'll probably put the tens next, then the 90s. Yep. Then the now. So you are going to put 80s last.

No, then the 80s, then the now. Wow. You think that 80s cars are better than today's cars? No, well, I'm not, by the standard of today, I'm not judging these by the standard of today. Should I be? Yes, of course. What's the... What's... What's... What? Well, it's...

To me, it's more about, like, how good were they at the... I mean, if you want me to judge it up by the standard of today, then the SP3 is better than the F40. Then the... Then the Cali T is better than the F40. We have to judge things by the... Breaking... Let's cut that clip. Cali T's better than Daytona. Okay, it can be...

Taking into account the... What happened in the time? I mean, I think. I stick by that. I think mine is right. 2000s and then 10. Tens were good stuff. We were starting to get a little hybrid. We were starting to get a little automatic. But 90s, there were a lot of very rounded designs and not much power and bad quality.

A lot of cars got plasticy and bad. But I would say from the beginning of the 90s to the end of the night, you gained a lot of power. Like, everything got a lot better. Build quality got better. Design got better. Like everything, the 90s were a really special time. And that transitioned into what we love in the early 2000. Let me say, when I think 90s, I think about it, I think about it.

I think about Akira's. with cloth seats and 15-inch alloys and, wait, this is going to drive the point home. Those long transmission levers that made a T at the top that you pushed the button in and then shifted into gear. But I also think about the Ford Explorer. That was bad, too. But it created the modern era of cars. Cars got transmission problems. They rolled over with tire issues and they recalled four billion of them in cash for clunkers and destroyed them because nobody wanted me.

That was a lot of terms that did not make sense in UNFN. They recall them. They recalls. They recalls. They recalls. Just as bad. The government said, bring it on back.

As bad as the cars you've just spoken about were. There were some amazing cars that balanced it out. You're talking about the F50. Specifically, you're talking about the F1. EB110. The 97 Accord. 993. 9 and 3 Turbo S.

Like, I mean, there were really, I mean, it was. E339 and 5. E339 and 5, 1998, when it came out in Europe. Still, I prefer the tens. Because the tens gave us the 918 spider, which is an amazing automobile. Yes, you love it so much. Now, the tens gave us,

the tens, the tens got us technology and goodness and reliability. And still had some, some analog in there. So my ranking is 2000s, 90s, 80s now. What's yours?

It's not far off that. It's not far off that. But your is 90s after, after, after. I think 90s after 2000s and then the 10s, just because such a high concentration. Are you doing 80s?

are better than the modern house or 80? Wait, before you say anything, let me remind you about the Hyundai Kona. You plug that thing in, dude. It's not even a car. Back in the 80s, you know what cars did? They go, and now you know what cars do? They go,

so you've never been a round of a Dodge Rion, I take it. I think I agree with him. With who? Him. Him. Oh, 80s. All right, well, you guys are not going to agree with anything that I'm about to say.

Okay, well, no, we're in agreement with the first and last here. Philippo's going to put it in reverse chronological order. What are you going to agree with us except you have 80s last instead of second to last? You're not going to put 20 next. The issue with the contrary. Current era is that we are very much in a

transitionary era. I think cars are transitioning. Like, yeah, a lot of transitions in those years. Yeah, I think they all were. Every era is like that. We're always changing. It's never the same. I mean, even when the car came out,

it changed every decade. A 1918 What I mean by that is. Underslung. Okay. It's very different from a 1928 Packard. What is going on? Which is different from a 19,

Like 1938 chord, which is different from... You don't know what I'm talking about. But the point is... Think about the underslung. Which is obviously I know a lot of them. Yeah, American undersling are great ones. The 80s were an era of transition from... After the fuel crisis into figuring out how to make cars that were relatively fuel-efficient,

rank and decent. The car. The 90s were becoming the modern era. S-CVs were becoming big. Larger cars. Japanese really took hold. And the Europeans really took hold. It really took hold.

The 2000s were the pinnacle. 2020s are a transitionary era into electric and trying to figure out what is the right? The cars. We understand your justification. You're trying to avoid the hate in the comments. No, I don't want to put 20s now. No, I don't.

He does. Deeply. Rank the cars. 90s. Second. So you're over here saying we're different from you. Yeah. You got the exact same ranking.

No, no. We differ on 20s. So 20s. 10s, 20s. 20s, oh, 80s. We're more aligned. I will say, here's, here's the interesting thing about these rankings, okay? I'm going to hold them up. Can you see me? Can you see it? Can you read it? Here's the interesting thing about these rankings. All of us put the 80s and the 20s last. So now and the oldest that we were given. And we all put the 2000s first. To me, the 2000s were kind of the

pinnacle of the combustion engine era. And it was before tech took over too much and just so many great cars came out of that era. It was the last era of, that we could really get away with some of the stuff that happened. I think it was the maybe the first time that the technology had risen to the point where the cars were really

fast, amazing to drive, reliable, and they have longevity. Yeah. It was the, and the design was great, the sizing was nice. It was like, and you weren't quite to the tech thing yet where you had big screens that are going to become outdated.

problematic and all that. It was quite a period. A little bits of it, but it was enough to put off with because the cars were so amazing. It's also pretty amazing how, you know, if you compare an 80s car to a 2000s car, so 20 years,

the performance difference is unbelievable. Yeah. If you compare a good 2000s car to a modern car, performance difference isn't that significant. I mean, that's notably different. Well, but in what way? I mean, yeah, a plat is faster on career GT, but you're starting to get into a level that is unusable, right?

And it really isn't, isn't, therefore it's not really effective. Like, whereas a car you bought in the 2000s that was a good car feels fast even by today's standard. I agree. And that's also, yeah, and that's why the values on those cars have gone up so dramatically. People have realized that that is like... You're once again talking about supercars.

No, not necessarily supercarly. Think about when SRT launched and they had all those 6-1 hemies with 425 horsepower. That was a legitimately, those were legitimately fast cars that still feel fast. I get into a Grand Cherokee SR8, or a Magnum SRT, 8, which I've never driven, but I get into one now. I think it's fast. A B7 R S4, I think is a fast car. Those were good. Those cars had modern performance, which you can't say about the 80s.

C5-ZO-6 is a good example. Even normal cars, a Honda cordon 05 had 240 horsepower. That was enough. V-6. Yeah. Yeah. I think the 2000s, especially early 2000s, were the traditional car perfected. And then at that point, after that, you have to figure out, okay, how do I actually make this fuel efficient?

How do I... The traditional car perfected. And do you know what all this perfecting was done over all these years? Let me have the remark. All this perfecting was done over all these years. And you know where they got the very top, the pinnacle of perfecting? Oh, God. I will say...

Paghani Zonda. 05. Thank you. 05 was kind of the end of the 2000. No, I think it went into 0607. I will say 0809 was starting to begin the hybrids, the transition to automatics, cost cutting was huge at that point. Four cylinder was starting to replace V6s, which

was sad for us. We like a good three later. There were no good GM product from after 06. The recession took hold and that killed some stuff. Pre-re recession took hold and killed some stuff. Well, 07, 08, 09. 06, 05, laziness. I agree with you. I think that the 2000s,

the sweet spot is about 02 to 07 for really the good stuff. The Tahoe hybrid was not part of the good stuff. No, but 20 MPG City. Gosh. Which actually at the time, I looked this up the other day. At the time, the Honda pilot got 18 city.

So the Tahoe Hybrid, that was actually pretty real. We are off the rails. Hit us with the next question. Tony Sopranos Suburban asks, If you could storotify other sports cars from the modern era, which would you choose? That's a good question. You know, the 959 did it first. Yeah.

It did. It did. For Dakar. If you could storotify other sports cars to the modern era, what should you do? 9-11 is a good example, but they did it. R8. It did it. The R8 steratoed would be.

cool. They kind of did that. It's called the Starato. I'm thinking of the R-A-Stick. First-Gen Lifted. First-gen. Right. I'm sorry. The question was modern cars. So cars that are currently in production? Can I make a statement here? Sure. Mustang.

Remember there was talk that we're going to do this? There was. And when I thought about it, you know what I thought of? The rally fighter. The local owners rally fighter. Yeah, yeah. Which is a lifted Mustang but with civic tail lights. Yep. Trust and decision not out of space. It's not that it was a decision.

I missed it. You don't know how hard this is. Go back to sleep. I'm going to be honest. I did it once and I did that moment learn how hard it is. I'll take the apology. But yes, the rally. So this is when they said off-road Mustang, this is what I thought they were going to make.

And instead what they made was nothing. The Mustang Mackey rally. Come on. Yeah, that is, unfortunately, what's happened. That would be cool. An off-road Mustang, I think, would be cool. Yeah. Because, like, let's be honest, every Mustang guy has a truck or wants a truck.

You know what I'm trying? I know. Give them what they want. 296 rally car would be pretty cool yeah ferrari's are too fragile yeah they don't forget they did the 308 rally car in the 1980s that would be really yeah it would be really cool yeah do you know about that no

uh it's got all sorts of Italian graphics on it you'll love it hopefully again missed it oh look at that oh that is cool look at that full opposite well pretty close anyway pretty cool nice anyway

296 with those graphics yeah Ferraris are too fragile yeah they are styling It doesn't work for off-road. New NSX. New NSX. New NSX. New Supra.

TRD Pro. Yes. Tardee Pro Suf. That works, oddly. I don't know. All, to be honest, is the answer. I mean, any car that is done to is cooler. There should be a off-road version of every new sports car.

Hey, Stradman, if you're listening, go put some tank treads on the Super you guys have. You think Stradman's going to do this for us? I think there's a chance. Felipe, this, I think, is something that we have to do for ourselves. Maybe Stratan will beat us to it. What about the Challenger? Nah. No.

Too big. What about the Z? Too heavy. Yeah. The answer is all of them. I would buy any and all. And by buy, I mean, think about buying and then not buy it. Like I did with the Starobo.

Although I got close. You got close. I was talking to you got close. I remember walking around on Nantzget, talking to the dealer. Okay. Wow. Jeez. Flex.

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I don't think in our lifetime. I don't think ever. No, I mean, like, gone isn't like truly there none left on the planet or like currently in production? He's looking at me. He knows he said something insane. I didn't say a little insane. Ever.

Like 2,000 years you're going to come back. Ever was not the other church. I'm going to come back. I don't see that happening fully in the reasonable future. You mean in your lifetime, which in your opinion is ever. Or the subsequent ones. I'm sorry. Or the subsequent one?

Just clarify that to me again. So, like, you mean there are none in production anymore, like manufacturing? Just make TV. No, no, no, not production. I think he's saying how long would it take for the... The way I'm reading it, how long would it take for them to be a thing in the past? Like, like ice cars are just something that you read about in history books. Now, let me ask you a question.

Do you think horse and buggy is still around? Are you going to sit here and be like, well, there are some people in the Thomas country. Absolutely. Okay. So basically your point is horse and buggy never went away. I think that there will always be people that share it and always, meaning in modern civilization until that all collapses. There will be people that want to keep some small number of special cars running. Legitimately.

And like with synthetic fuels and stuff like that, I think it will potentially be possible. Much sooner than that. Yeah. There's a long, long, long, long, long tail to that. Yeah. Agreed. In production, 20 years. But I think our, I don't disagree.

Our entire lifetimes will be able to hear an internal combustion engine. We'll probably own them. I won't. Yeah. Well, you won't. Nope. You won't go, really? You won't own your Fiat Panda 4x4?

Nope. Ev swap it. Cocky imagine. I think that it's going to take an enormous amount of time. I genuinely think it will be. generations. I think it's going to take an enormous amount of time for them to be gone, gone. One of the things that I think about when I think about this is New Jersey's license plates.

And I think you'd agree. All right. Here's my analogy. 1959 New Jersey comes out with a license plate. They've never replaced it. And you could keep transferring it. So in theory, you could have had this license plate since 1959 and always had it on your car forever. You could, to this day, the 1959 New Jersey license plate is still.

valid, okay? But what happened was, as the new ones come out, 85% of plates are gone within a couple years. But you drive around New Jersey and you will still see a few of the old 1959 straw license plates, which are still available, which are still around on some cars. That's still valid. So I think that's going to be the same with ice car. Yeah. Yeah. You like that? You think any teens are driving around with the little red square? Yeah, absolutely. You'd see blue plates with the red square. And those came out like early 80s. Wow. Okay. In New Jersey, if you're a teenager, you have to put a little red square on the side of the

foot. So, yeah, before, I mean, and even after that, they'll be relegated to museums and stuff like that. But I think that people, I agree that it's going to be a lot longer than people think. I think that it's going to, in our lifetimes, there will still be ice cars driving on the road. Sure. People love cars. And ultimately, like, I still think that there's something to a gasoline engine that is exciting. At what point will.

Whether it's in a one-cylinder car from the late 1800s or now, But also, it's just hard to replace them. And they're still being made in massive numbers. Massive. At what point will they be less than 1% of, like, vehicles miles, way in the future? And don't forget also, there are markets that depend on it. Like, Africa is a continent depends on diesel, like internal combustion.

The concept that in a lot of these emerging markets that EVs are going to take over tomorrow is like laughable. This is like an American and European luxury thing to even discuss it. Absolutely. Okay. Next question. from 172 pilot. He has two questions,

but I'm only going to answer the second one because it's gooder. What cars would you guys like to see heritage editions of like the stronger than the 1980s G-Y? Ooh, NSX. Right.

What would that be? Okay, they take, they make a new car and they make it a manual and a V-6. Oh, so it's just a different car entirely. Not unlike the strong-in-the-80s, which is a, which is a paint color and a little script.

Here's what they do. You call it the 1990s, You make the new NSX, but without the hybrid stuff and with a V6. So you want an entirely different car? No, the current NSX, the existing exon. With a different power train. No, same power train. Just pull off the hybrid stuff.

So a different power train? No, no, no, no. I think of hybrid power trains as like a blanket. You can take the blanket off and you still have the person sleeping underneath. Do you understand what I'm saying? You have tortured so many metaphors today. And you hook that person up to a manual transmission. A different power chain.

And you got yourself an NSX 1990s reboot edition. Akira, if you're listening to me, for God's sake, this is an opportunity. I think that's a good product planning suggestion, but not in the spirit of the question. Okay.

Okay, fine. What do you have then? I think it would be cool for some manufacturers to do. Like the 80s and 90s cars, and we see this in the Japanese cars that we get submitted and in the European ones has a cool fabrics and like weird, funky designs. Like they used, like the field multipla had color fabric everywhere, had weird seat designs.

I think you could like make a regular normal car like a new Grand Highlander, but like make a little funky. Okay. Or the Jeddah John Bon Jovi Edition. Okay. Something like just like vaguely reminiscent. Those are Felipe. That's a Felipe idea. Like take a car and just make, it's like slightly different seat pattern.

Which is literally what the heritage edition is. Here's what I'm telling you. No, but they did the old wheels and they did the old paint colors. They did the orange turn signals. They made it look like an old car. That's the point. Because the old car is an icon, whereas an old Grand Highlander is not an icon. However, I got an idea.

Okay. New Ford GT, old Ford GT edition. You take the new Ford GT. Is there a hybrid power train in that, like a blanket? Do you have to remove that? No. You're good. You put a manual transmission in there.

Oh, sure. Easy. Well, you'd have a packaging issue because there's no room between the scenes, but you know what you do? you get rid of the passenger seat. Wow. Make it an SP1. Rich dude wants to be alone. You know, I'm really struggling with this because, like, I was thinking, again, in my terms

along exotic cars. First, kind of did this with the 70th anniversary cars. They did a bunch of different weird, cool, like, callbacks to their old heritage, like, with just, like, appearances. But that's not really what we're looking at here. We want something that's even more. The Wrangler could do it. The Wrangler does it.

The Wrangler. They do it. They do, like, Willis version. But they can go further. They could change the headlights to look more like... Jeep does it. They do colors. They do, like, old graphics and stuff like that.

I don't really stump them. We don't have to think more on this one. I do think the stronger than the 1980s G-Wagon is one of the best executions I've seen. You could make an argument. The other icon of car from that era was the 9-11, and you could, you could, like, do like a fake impact bumper and like old fuchs's and like a, and like a whale tail that looked like that. But I think Porsche is one of those companies, Porsche does do some heritage stuff, but I think

they're one of those companies that is more, like Ferrari, like Ferrari, like we've always been setting design trends. We're going to keep doing that instead of like go back to the old days. I do it. Yeah. I don't know. I'm going too far. I'm stuck in my mind because like the rental R5 turbo thing, the electric is coming out.

That's a good. That's one of my. Good example. I love that. Here's one. Just wish you had a gas engine. Here's one. Ket it.

Hyundai Ionic 5 Excel edition. Okay. Yeah. They make it look like the Hyundai Xcel from 1986. I guess in this case, the G-Wagon, Strong in the 80s, does look like old G-Wagon? Yeah. But that's by happenstance. No, no, pull up an Ionic 5. Pull up a Hyundai XL hatchback.

Pull up a Hyundai XL hatchback. Take in Hyundai Excel hatchback. You can type in Pony if you want. That's what it was called in some markets. A hatchback. I don't want to see any sedans. No, we certainly don't. And I really would prefer not to see alloys. Some of this cars have alloys. That's not. Yeah, give me, give me that. That's the Hyundai XL. That, the

Ionic 5 doesn't look that different from this car, okay? Wow, that is a rough one. Yeah, there's no nice one, even in new. You do an Ionic 5 with these wheels, with some faded paint, with cloth seats, right? With an old time seatbelt chime. You know what I'm saying?

Or the seatbelt attracts for no reason. Yeah. There is something to having base models and like having steel wheels. Yeah. There's something to that. Oh, and call it the Excel edition? Call it the Excel. I think the automakers want to make money, though,

and I think more base models is not there. It's not really in the car. No, but, I mean, Mercedes is doing it, right? I mean, the strong of the 1980s has steel wheels and kind of looks very, Basie, but they're charging a ludicrous amount of money for it. Truthfully, this really only works for cars where we are nostalgic about the old versions. Yeah. And we're not nostalgic about that many old versions.

No. In a way that you could bring it into the modern era. Right. They haven't not. And also, the reason it works with the Mercedes is, like you said, it's a continued lineage. So you can go back to points along it. So there aren't that many cars that have been, the lineage has been in production for. I mean, and think about somewhere they've tried it and hasn't worked.

The T-Bird. Yikes, right? I have a soft spot for it, but yeah, I agree. But it doesn't, the new Kuntash. New Kuntash is probably the best example of that, yeah. It doesn't always work. Yeah. Mercedes did it well.

Okay, two or three more questions. Okay, next question from Liberty, Liberty, but it's spelled without any vowels. Oh. What is one car manufacturer that makes regular-ish cars that you most want to see make a Halo car? Some examples of this happening was, like the 4GT, the first-gen,

right. This is a great question because one of my favorite types of cars is normal cars companies that make supercars. The 4GT and the 4GT are both these, and I think that these are the best. Porsche makes McCanns, dude. Don't look at me like that. He's looking at me. Porsche has a strong history of making some of the best sports cars. Okay, fine. But these days, they make 40 times more four-cylinder SUVs at least for 799. I'm not giving you the career GT as a halo. I mean, it was a halo car, but it's not a regular car company. The point, though, is a good one, which is that Porsche, unlike Ferrari, Porsche, like, knows how to build a car that needs to last for 200,000 miles.

Ford, I will give you. Ford, I will give you. The Ford GTCs are good. The career GTs, to an extent, is a good example. It's not quite in keeping it the question, but it's clearly not like Lamborghini Ferrari, right? Like, Porsche is more of a... So the question is, who do you want to do it? I'll tell you the answer.

Honda. Yeah. They make the greatest manual transmissions. They grievous the fantastic NSX, the original... The NSX. Well, okay. Yeah. Give me that back.

I was going to say, Toyota. Because they make, they've taken a turn for Sportier lately, and Sportier and Offroadingy. And I think it would be cool to see what they come up with if they were tasked with a Halo Car. I am curious. We did see a Halo car from them once, and it wasn't all that great. I know you hate the LFA.

I know you hate the LFA. Love it. But they've taken very much a turn towards Sportier again. And off-road Sportier. And I think an off-road Halo car would be cool to. If the LFA had had a dual clutch, then how would you review that, Revere that car.

If the LFA had a stick, it'd be cool. And if it looked good. So if the LFA made two big changes, it's complete design and it's complete power train. I think it looks cool. I think it would then be a good car. Now, maybe then they could have sold them.

The correct answer for this is actually Cadillac. They have a Halo car. The Escalade IQ. No, their halo car is called the... Celestique. Celestique. Nobody knows. Okay.

That's an IQ. It's not real. And it's obviously insane. It's electric. It's electric. Nobody wants it. What we want to see Cadillac build... It looks cool. We want to see Cadillac build the C-end.

Yeah. Which I tried to buy. Yeah. And until they do that, we can't take them seriously as an automaker. By the way, Lincoln is also, should also do that. Can I ask a question? Okay, a halo car, we all assume, needs to be a sports car. It does.

What is Mercedes-Benz's a halo car right now? G-Wagon. Right. That's about, that's my point. The project one is technically. Nah. G-Wagon is clearly their hilly car. So they need to be a sports car.

They will tell you, it's a big. How about BMW? By the way, I actually legitimately think that Cadillac and Lincoln are good answers here. At the end of the day, Cadillac outsells Lincoln 3 to 1, and both are outsold by Lexus, Mercedes, Bens, M.MW, et cetera. If only those brands, would Lincoln is trying to lean into this luxury thing, but I think what they're forgetting is that, like, a lot of interest comes to a car company because young people and enthusiasts are excited. That's how the navigator got off the ground in the first place 25 years ago. And what I want to shake these brands, Cadillac and include it and be like, guys, get young people first. And Cadillac figured that out to an extent with the V line.

Like they really went hard with V, and it has paid off. Like Cadillac has it. When I was a kid, it's hard to explain how elderly and uncool Cadillac was. The STS. The standard of the world, give me a break. The standard of the world in retirement communities all the way from Des Moines to Indianapolis. And that is totally different now. It's still not quite on the level of the Germans, but it is way further.

And Lincoln, as wonderful as Lincoln, new Lincoln's are, and they are wonderful. They still haven't got a cool image that I think would be successful. And we all know that Ford makes some pretty cool sports cars. You know what you do? You'll make a Mustang Lincoln. Or a Bronco. Better known as the Cougar. Better known as the Cougar.

Or a Bronco. Or a Bronco. Like I already, I know they ever had that before. I would love to see BMW do a supercar. But they just, they refuse to. I think one of the reasons. You know, I think about this a lot. And I think one of the reasons BMW refused to make a supercar is because they've tried several times and failed every time they've tried.

Right. Well, try better. I think the other point is like, do they need that halo car? Their space cars are already revered, generally. If UM3 comes out, everybody's excited. No, I agree, but they're the only German manufacturer that doesn't do it. It's also weird that they don't try to do it because that... They tell me they can't figure it out?

That space is really lucrative. It is. Like, BMW could have gone the Porsche route, had a Porsche-type car, and now be making GT3s that cost 350 grand and are laughably embarrassing to look at. They could be doing that, and they never really... No, they just stayed with their little boxy sedans. Which was fine. It works.

But like I, and that's what I love them for. And instead they make the XM. Which, by the way. But the M1, they could have built upon that DNA and done some. They just, they never. It was a failure. Yeah. And don't forget.

BMWM. Well, yeah, they trusted Lamborghini. That was a mistake. Yeah. Everybody who has ever trusted Lamborghini has regretted it except for the Mimran brothers. Uh, okay. But obviously WM has the custom car. That's a ex.

Right. Yes. Hey, it's the only one they built. The BFW Series XM. Such trash. Okay. One and a half more questions. Okay.

Next question from Larry the car guy. Hey Doug, what is the best U.S. state for car spotting that isn't California? Florida. Montana, obviously. Yeah. Has the most registered cars. Crazy up there. If you were an alien that came to America, you'd be like, I got to go see this Montana place.

There's so many cool cars. Miami is pretty good. Yeah, Florida. Florida's good. You're never going to see anything old or like, like, like iconic. It's mostly newer stuff. Connecticut in the summer or northern New York,

like Westchester, Rye, that whole area, north of New York, even Bedford. Like those areas are pretty nice in the summer. Southwestern Connecticut, New Canaan. There's some really crazy stuff that goes through there. If you just drive on the back roads, you'll eventually see some serious cars. But all year long, you can see them right here in California.

But all year long, if you're in the Orange County Coast, any day of the week, you might see a Sharon, a Koenigigig or an F40, as we have done. Never seen an N50 though. Not yet. Okay, this is the last question, and it's going to really rankle Filippo. Oh, no. From Eden O7, rank all generations of the Mustang.

I've been thinking about this one. Man, this is what you end with? This is like ending with the uphill marathon. Okay. Let's go through the generations. I'm going to make this easy for you. I'm going to go through the generation. There have been seven.

Yeah, okay. The first generation, apparently, was all the way through 1974. So it includes, like, when they got big in the late 60s and early 70s, like, you know what I'm talking about, like this car? Yep. Okay. That's included in the first gen. So the second gen was the, the second gen was the Mustang 2. Okay.

So are you writing these down? Yeah. The second gen was the Mustang 2. You know the Mustang 2? I do. Then the Fox Body. Yep. Then the SN-95, which I'm just going to tell you right now, the controversy will begin when we talk about the SN-95.

Yeah, because are we splitting that with the new edge, or is that all less of that? Yes, we are. It's one generation. So it's going to be, it's going to be, okay. Then the fifth gen, which came out in 05. What was the first gen called? I can't remember. It was called S-197.

It was called S-5-50. Then the 6-50, right, right. Then the 6-50. And then the new body. What is the new body called? S-650 somehow. All right. I'll start.

First-gen. Yeah, it's an icon. First gen's first. It transformed American cars. It was one of the greatest names ever given no car. is without question. I think that's true. Now, the commenters are going to argue with us

because they argued with C2 being the first Corvette, even though we unanimously agreed on it instantly. I think the commenters in a lot of cases are a little bit too young, specifically on Instagram, are a little bit too young to really understand the impact the C2 Corvette had on automotive design globally

and on the Mustang had on the car. The Mustang, the first-gen. You ask any person that our age, hey, what do you wish your first car was? The Mustang that their elderly neighbor. Like, everybody wants that early... That's right. Like, what do you dream up...

Pre-whatever we're calling first-gen? Early first-gen. Even the later ones, though, became very... It's funny. It evolved into an also very cool car. Yeah. Then after that, I'm going to say S-550. Okay.

That's reasonable. That was an amazing car. It's a really good car. The 5-0 is great. The GT 350, 3-50 are some of the best American cars I've ever driven. You are? Okay.

I'm going to say, I'm going to say second, the fifth gen, the S-197, the O5. It's hard to explain. It's hard to explain what impact the O5 Mustang had. I was a kid then. I was 17 in O5. And the Mustang had languished. Like, I grew up not really caring that much about Mustangs

because it had been a crappy car for my entire life, honestly. And then the O5 came out. They went to the retro styling. They put a big V6 in. They put a great V8 in. It was obviously the S-5-5, and 650 have built upon that as better cars. But the S-197 changed the Mustangs look forever.

It went back to the retro. And the next two gens have basically kept that look, just modernizing it. And it just improved the quality. It improved the desirability. The car totally changed. And Felipe has taken my statement here and has put the S-197 next on his list. I would put it next as well. I will put the S-5-50 third on my list.

And then have we all agreed on the Fox Body after it? Nope. I want to talk about the new edge for a second. I knew this is coming. Okay, here we go. The new edge gave us the Termi Cobra, which if I was ranking the Mustangs would be top three. Yep.

The Turmie Cobra, if I was ranking individual Mustangs, would be top three. Yep. Let's go back to what you said literally a moment ago. The Mustang had languished until the S-197 came out. It had languished. We didn't care about it at all. Oh, right.

What Mustang was that? The New Edge. Well, but to his point, it's like the Diablo that will replace that. If you were talking SE 30, it would be in the top. If it had been better as a generation, it wouldn't have languished to the point that redesigning it would have been the second best most thing. That's a good point.

But the Termi Cobra, I think at least once a week about buying a Termi Cobra. And I don't think anymore about buying any cars. No, who doesn't? And occasionally I'll see a Tirmie Cobra and be like, God, if I had one of those. If only I had one, no, you never see them, especially in California. Termi Cobra and it had the Cobra R. Yeah. Oh, love.

Love the cobra. It had the cool mock one, the blue mock one. I'm familiar. It had the bad cobra that they lied about the power. Power. So there's some fun going on. It had the original 94 to 98 body cobra, which was cool with the Silver 5 spokes. So really just like SVT.

Who doesn't? Yeah, the base cars were pretty bad. You're putting S95 fourth. I am absolutely not doing. No, no, I'm not doing that. I'm just having a conversation. It's like when Joe Rogner, I'm just asking questions. Cannon, what do you put forth?

By the way, last is Mustang, too. We all agree last month. Absolutely. I'm going to put the S-N-95 seconds last. By the way, not putting the new body on is starting to get a little sketchy here. I'm going to put the S-560 second last. Oh, my God. S-6-60, sorry, S-6-70.

The NAM is a great car. It's really not better than an S-5-50 in any way, and it looks worse, and it's not better. It's vast. The Dark Horse has, like, 900 horsepower. The market agrees with me and the fact that it's incredibly undesirable. It's not that it's undesirable.

I have a long rant about this that I've never told on the pod, but I just think Coops, two-door cars in general have just kind of lost appeal. And I don't think the Mustang is, Camaro's gone. I mean, everybody's like,

oh, the Mustang is selling slowly. Yeah, the Camaro's selling even slower. Zero. Like, it isn't, it's not the fault of the Mustang that the market has changed what it wants. And I think it's still a really good car. It's definitely not

as good as the previous. I guess I say, you've ever been in a Foxbody? No, I've not. Dude, I've been on a Fox body. Do you know what it is? Big cheap power. Big cheap power. I had been in a Fox body. My father-in-law has a career. Really? And you think you'd rather have that. Your father-in-law had a convertible

fox body? He still has. 5-0? He does now? Uh-huh. No way. Why don't know this? It was a stick. It's a stick. It's a stick-converbal. It's a stick-5-0? Later early. I'm trying to There's a lot of modifications. No way.

Yeah. Wow. So he starts out of cagity, caggity, caggity. At the moment, it's the time of some issues. The S550 is so good that it makes the follow-up being so disappointing. It pushes the follow-up down, even though it's not a bad car. Pushes it down to the Mustang, too. Above the Mustang, too.

But I'm saying the, for a C-F-P-P-E. You think the new edge is worse than the new body. Come on, Philippo. As a car, yes, but in the broader scheme- No, a race. I'm not going to let you get away. Switch the new body in the SN-95. Nope.

You don't like the SN-95. I'm the only S-N-95 defender sitting there. I like the newest Mustang less. Oh, that's insane. All things consider. The worst take I've ever heard in my entire life. So I got first-gen, I got 05, I got S-550. My list is looking great so far.

What's nice? Now, the internet wants me to say Fox Body next. Yeah. And I'm gonna. Great. And then what? And then the new car. And after all that about the cobra,

you're putting it's second to last. It's indefensible. That car is indefensible. I love it. And by the way, by the way, something else I want to say about the new edge. 94 to 98 was the beginning of the SN 95. It wasn't edgy. No.

The new edge came out 99. Barely edgy in retrospect. The new edge was edgy. It did get the tail lights in particular. If the new edge had come out initially, I think we'd be having different conversations here. I think the 94 to 98 sullied the SN95 so greatly. That is a nice looking car.

You know what? Raise it on my list. All right. Are you got to agree to me then? Yeah. You could agree that at 650 second last? No. Well?

No. You want to put a Fox Body? I can't do that to the Fox Body. It just meant so much to so many people. It did. And still does. Bruce Springsteen wouldn't exist without the Fox Body Mustang. I don't think it's a great car, but it's iconic.

You simply listened to Bruce Springsteen in your Fox Body. body in 1987. I mean, it's just what you did. There wasn't a discussion about it. It's just how it went. Look at those foxes. That 92 red one is...

Man. Okay. Okay, that's my list. So my list is first gen 197, 550, 550, 550, Mustang. All right, Kenan, finish it off. Kenan, finish it up.

All right, I think I'm going to put... After the S-192, I'm going to put... 297. That's 10-7. I'm going to put the, it's hard because I like a lot of versions of the SN-95 more than I do the Fox body. So I think I am. S-A-95, fourth.

Then the Fox. You had the balls to do what I wanted to do. And then the new one, you guys are nuts. I know. The new one is so good. And I just wish there was some place that the problem is these ones are so good in the middle. It's really a difficult. This was a lot harder than the Rangerover thing, which was.

Wow. Okay. Because these are actually good cars. Some of them are good cars. Not all. I will say the S650 is not a bad car. I just disappointed by the lack of improvement. The worst Mustang ever was the 94 to 98 six-cylinder.

Oh, yeah. Sit up in 95. Pull up an SN-95. According to Kennan, the fourth to last. No, in totality. To be honest, most of these are new edges. We don't even really sell. Go to lowest price because that's where it would be.

That's where it will be. Nope. Even these. I actually didn't mind the GTs. We've never hosted a V6. No, we have not. Well, there you go. I love that.

I love seeing old listings. The 1995 Ford Mustang GT from 2020, we referred to as really nice. Yeah, we were a little. Look at that, look at that 94 GT. To be honest, though, for the money in the upper right there. Yep. $6,200 for a one-owner manual V8 convertible or six-spoke. I wrote this one.

You can have more fun than this for $6,200? No. I don't think you can. Tough interior though. Then again, they put it in the paint house Esperante. Okay, that's our pod for this week. Thank you for the questions. We'll be back to normal pod next week, doing our normal segments.

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