THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Police Crackdown on Montana Supercars? Doug Tries to Buy $1 Million Concept Car!

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

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and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenneth. I'm Philippe. And let's talk news, starting with Montana. A Bugatti from Montana. Bloomberg published an article about this. Mike? About Montana, not Mike himself.

Okay. But his organization. About Montana and all the supercars and all the cars in general that are registered in Montana. And I wanted to highlight a couple of interesting things. Number one, Montana has 2.7 vehicles per driver, which is by a wide margin, the highest This is registered, of course. You see a lot of cars from Montana. They're not actually operated there.

And the other thing the article got into was luxury vehicles registered in Montana by MAKE. In 24, Montana had 10,757 luxury cars. This is Aston Martin Bugatti, Ferrari, Lamborghini, only the top. 10,077. Washington State next door to Montana, two states over, had only 2479 of these cars registered. Montana, the large state, a lot of land. Washington, which, of course, is, much more populace and much more wealthy.

I'll tell you what, the people Montana, they have 2.7 cars per person, they are some serious heavy metal. Lots of air on the shirt. Lots of it. Last year, this, by public record requests, they pulled this. Montana had 31 Paghanis registered.

Washington State had zero. Montana had 131 Bugatti's registered, and Washington State had zero. 131 Bugatti. There's only, you know, there's what, 400 Vey runs and 400 sure runs. There's only 800 of these cars, right? give or take, maybe 900.

Well, EB-1-10s. Montana's got, yeah, then there's a few AB-110s, which are all registered in Montana. It could be a type 57S registered there. You don't know. It's really actually pretty impressive. 920 Rolls-Royce in Montana to 155 in Washington State. Wow.

10 to 9 to 1. We knew this is true because people register their cars in Montana to avoid sales tax and any sort of emissions and inspection. The thrust behind the article was that more and more states are coming out after these people. Well, California is always given as an example of this, but in this particular article, it said that California has managed to claw back like a million dollars in abuse, and that's nothing. That's one of these. That's not even. But it said also that Utah specifically passed a law targeting Montana, and it went into the specifics of the law, but they are quite, uh,

fascinating, quite targeted, um, trying to get these people. Now, it's a little harder in Utah, I imagine, to enforce because Utah's pretty close to Montana. Right. But nonetheless, you're driving around you see a Lamborghini in you're in Salt Lake City. Yeah. In Montana plates. It didn't make the journey. It tracks. Even though we knew this was happening,

because you see Montana plates on new 9-11 turbos, for example. Yeah. Every Ferrari 4-5-8. Yeah. Every McLaren. Every McClare. You don't think about, like, the numbers are staggering. That's so many.

That's got to be half of the we got in the U.S. Our original. Oh. Title Montana, if not more. I think, I think 80 or 90%. I got to be honest. I have a VIN list of every career GT. And I went through and started Carfax team because I was curious.

and it's not even worth car faxing them anymore because I don't know where they are. It's impossible. Every one of them is titled in Montana. Except for mine, they're all titled in Montana. Yeah. And so, like, that, it's insane.

Any career duty that's transacted in the last eight years when the values started to get high, registered in Montana. Now, have any of us done Montana? I did in the past, but I don't have any Montana. I'm as legit as can be.

You don't, you obviously would. Why would I? My car is worth $10 grand. I don't need to. But we know some people. We've heard. some stories. We are familiar with people that have done it.

We're familiar with people who have done it. I'll be honest. If he had a Montana tag in one of his cars, people just think he was a local who's like got away from Montana. Like you actually live there and now you live in. You can do it on a cheap car, but it doesn't make as much sense. I'm not surprised to hear that more states are trying to go after this. The amount of revenue is unbelievable.

The article specifically quotes some DMV administrators. In fact, they interviewed a guy who was the head of the DMV in Iowa. He said, we've called Montana and they're like, we're only going to provide to you what the law says we have to provide. Like Montana likes this. Of course. They make revenue. And it employs a lot of people that run free Montana LLC.com.

But so the states have basically decided they can't go after the Montana. They actually have to go after the individuals within their state. And it gives many examples of states doing precisely that. And Montana is the only state that ever comes up on this is being discussed. It's so funny. Vermont for a while was the state where you would do a cheap imported car. Right. Because you didn't have to go.

You didn't need an address. And they also didn't do a title of the registration. There were a bunch of small benefits. That's gone. Vermont has stopped that. They claim they won't do that anymore, but I've heard of it happening still. But they've tried pretty aptly. Montana has clearly said, no, we want that money.

The one thing I'm always astonished about is whenever this comes up, and you're going to see it in the comments of this too. Whenever this comes up, there's always a lot of people who defend the Montana folks. A lot of car enthusiasts defend, like as if the state laws on sales tax are trying to hamper car enthusiasm. And I find it very funny that a lot of people, especially YouTube and Reddit and Instagram commenters, are willing to stand up for people with million-dollar cars and say, that would be insane. I would never pay $100 grand for sales tax either. I get the argument, I guess, but it's like, it's interesting to me how many people who

have a Dodge Charger will stand up and, like, advocate for a rich guy who could probably afford to pay the taxes but chooses to, to, in most states, evade, not just avoid, but like, it's literally against the law. They're just hoping they don't get caught. Yeah, there's some cognitive dissonance there. Weirdly. Weirdly. Interesting. So anyway, Montana cracked down. We always hear this every few months. I don't know if it ever goes anywhere. There are so many cars. The numbers are staggered.

I see a lot of it for smog, which is another reason why I'm convinced that if they did this, the Leno's law thing, California would just make money. There are so many cars my neighbor. Guys with old land cruisers and guys with old suburbans and stuff that just have Montana plates, still driving in California, but have Montana plates. Not to avoid taxes because those cars are cheap, but there's no smog laws there. Or they buy property in one of the counties in California with no smog. Well, potentially, I mean, that's a little niche there. It is niche to do that.

And you still have to do smog at title transfer if you do that. True. And your stuff gets sent up there. I mean, it's annoying. So anyway, Montana, crack down. Are you afraid? No. Turns out that I just run California plates on my cars.

What if you got something nice? What if you got a viper? You got passing smog. Dare to dream. No, you don't have anything to worry about. I don't have anything to worry about. You no longer have anything to worry about. Some of other people that you might know from the podcast.

Well, well, no. Okay, all right. Move on. It's interesting to hear about this. Always interesting to hear. I'm always curious whether this happens. And I'm also curious to hear all the people complain that we are, that we are anti-car enthusiasts by saying the Montana thing is silly and shouldn't be done.

Ultimately, if you want to change you, if you're annoyed by the tax laws, the way that a democracy works is you elect people to change. change the laws. You're just annoyed that you have to pay. Yeah. Yeah. Aren't we all? Aren't we all? Yep. Oh, a car dealer. Car dealer. Okay, a bunch of car news now that we are in May. Yeah. And I'm going to go through it quickly because I know that Kenan doesn't care at all. All right. A couple of key points. April sales, really, really strong for new cars. We talked last month about how a lot of consumers pulled forward their purchase, wanting to avoid tariff. That kept happening. So we think this was a pre-tariff result?

100%. And every analyst has basically said, we don't actually know anything. Even the Fed chairman, Powell, today, said in the Fed's comments that the data from Q1, from April and Q1, isn't it realistic because it's not actually a true measure

of what purchasing look like, because everybody pulls forward. Right. Purchasing. Bigot purchases. Yeah. Inventory. Yeah.

That is certainly true here, too. There are some exceptions. There's some automakers that just had very weak. April's because they weren't importing cars. Porsche being one of them, to be honest. But a lot of the mainstream manufacturers had really, really strong April sales numbers. Not surprising, we kind of knew that would happen.

And that's why some manufacturers freeze price increases or Ford went to employee pricing to just kind of try to incentivize up. But that all kind of changes now. Today, Ford announced that on three of their models, the Mavericks de Bronco Sport, and the third one I'm linking on, they're going to raise prices by up to two grams.

starting June 1st. Such a shame. Maverick. Right. The moment all these tariffs were announced, I was like, this going to hit Maverick. And Navarre, one of the big selling points of Maverick is its affordability. It's going to be a $1,000 price increase. Is that $2,000? $1,200 on the Maverick.

That's 5% on a base Maverick. Because both in Mexico. And there's other manufacturers that will inevitably start doing that too. Ford is the first to very publicly say it, but everybody else is kind of hinted at that. Plus, if it's $1,200. are now, but they can't, they probably can't continue at a 5% only a 5% increase if they're paying significant tariffs. So there are, so every manufacturer has kind of started to come out with guidance for what's

likely to happen. A bunch of manufacturers, Mercedes-Benz, Volvo, Stalantis, some other said, basically said, we have no idea what's going to happen. We are a public company. Public companies generally give guidance to analysts for what they expect to have happened. They've pulled their guidance. They've just said, we don't know yet. We'll come back to you with more information, which is rare.

incredibly rare that anybody would do that. Well, it's bad, short-sighted policy, and I think that the automakers hope that the government comes up with a similar conclusion. Yeah. And manufacturers are also very clearly trying to adapt both long-term and short-term. Long-term, it is having some of the effect that President Trump and his administration want.

Audi has said publicly that they are looking at building U.S. capacity to build a new EV. That'll be a few years from now, but they're going to invest in that. That's certainly what the Trump administration wants. At the same time, GM has said that they expect about a $5 billion tariff impact to their revenue in 2025. They have also said publicly that they think that they can offset about 30% of tariff costs internally. What that really means is they will cut jobs and they will cut investment. So here's where the tariffs to benefit American workers. Here's where the tariffs come into play.

They're just going to lay off American workers. Volvo cut 125 jobs yesterday in South Carolina. in the U.S. And basically what Salantis and Gem and everybody else has said is, yeah, this is going to impact American jobs, and it's going to impact investment in our future products. What you do is you try to offset the cost for what you had right now, and you extend product life cycles, you stop investing in whatever it's coming next, you stop.

Maybe you invest in factors in the U.S., which is desirable, but it comes as an expense of any expense you can cut right now to make the next couple years. Close to break even. The unintended consequences of policy are unbelievable. policymaking is a lot harder than a lot of people think, a lot of blustery people who kind of say, oh, why don't we just do this or that? And there's a reason that a lot of things are the way they are.

And it's so funny that we're going to end up losing American jobs and already have lost American jobs due to the tariffs, which in theory are designed to protect American jobs, but will not have that effect. And probably will never have that effect. I mean, Audi trying to build a factory to make an EV, what's the timeline on that? You know, GM is saying a $5 billion cut to revenue,

They're not saying that they're going to make these big investments in the U.S. What everybody's thinking is we're just going to wait this out. And there's going to be a couple of tough years probably. And there's probably, they might be a recession as a result of these stupid tariffs. But the country will then realize like this isn't what we want and elect somebody who's not pushing it. There will be tough times in between, right? Rivian and I'm quoting specific companies just to make the point that I'm not saying this. Rivian and others have said that they expect weaker sales because they expect the tariffs will impact

that the economy overall will slow down and that will impact, especially upmarket demand. Not surprising, I think we've been saying that for a long time. There's a lot in question here. I mean, there's both, can we build cars, can we produce them here?

Are there people to buy it, et cetera? Yeah. That makes it tough. I will also say, this is going to mean less interesting cars coming out a few years from now. No automaker is in this time where they have to really do some penny pinching

to survive, invest in something cool. Of course. And it's going to mean higher prices for use cars. Yeah. And this is going to hurt us all. Unless you run a used car auction website. But I don't feel, though, like that benefits me. Like, yeah, it will probably benefit our business.

But, like, I feel like I'm an enthusiast first. I already got my money. To be honest. As the values. I mean that truly. As the, because we saw that huge run up in 2020 and 2021 of used car values. When it started to come back down again, I was happy because it meant that people could get into these cool cars again.

And by the way, we're still selling cars. Yeah. Like, whether the values are up or down, we cars and bids are still selling. in cars. Obviously, the revenue is lower when the values are lower, and so we'll probably make money because of the tariffs. But, like, as a car enthusiast, I, yeah.

You make money until the economy and that's the other thing. That's the other thing. So then we make more money. Great, for a couple months. And then you have layoffs because companies who are getting product from overseas can't continue to sell that product, and so they start laying off workers, people lose their jobs, and they stop buying stuff. And that includes our product.

Suddenly, we're affected even though we're not actually tariff, and then the whole economy starts to slow down. do be new cars five years from now, they're going to be less interesting. Yeah. There's already a bunch of manufacturers that are saying they're not going to sell specific products in the U.S. The Jeep Compass, which nobody here cares about, but is Jeep's newest products has been revealed that we know when it's going to go for sale in Europe and other markets.

They've said it's not going to come to the U.S. They were planning on it. That will be true of a lot of other products where they're just not going to bother. Any niche car, which is a lot of sports cars at this point, why would an automaker put in that investment to sell it here deal with deal with tariffs. Right. It's so every time we get comments, and by the way, we get very few comments that are

against our tariff stance. You know, I got a long rant prepared about tariffs, but I didn't say it. But we are a car industry podcast, and we're the biggest car podcast in the world. And so I think being able to, having these conversations about tariffs is important, but also standing up and advocating for the industry is important at this point. I can't tell you how many messages I've gotten from people at automakers who have thanked me for taking some of us for taking these positions on tariffs. And that's a big deal, and I think that's important.

And we get some negative comments, but the vast majority of comments support our points of view. They're from logical, rational people who understand that this is going to have a big impact on our industry and an industry that we are enthusiasts of. This will. This episode is brought to you by Ava. Cars and good credit score go hand in hand.

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Thanks to Ava, and now go get yourself good credit. Give us our next news story. Let's move on from a cariff's. Ah, Corvettes. It must be Filippo. Sure is. It's Corvettes and screens. It's my, it's the Nexus here.

The 2026 Corvette has a, interior redesign. Famously, the CA Corvette has a row of buttons between the driver's seat and the passenger seat. And there's a handle. That row buttons, which everybody hated for a bunch of reasons,

has gone away. For quirky. For 20... I've got 10 million views with that row of buttons. A lot of views per button. Unfortunately for you, for 2026, they have moved a bunch of the buttons to below the main center screen.

So a bunch of the HVAC controls are like little toggle switches. and they've also added a screen to the left of the gauge cluster. Yeah, I don't see this as much of the story. Well, Corvette people generally tend to like, I like buttons. I want buttons, I don't want screens in my car. Now they've added more screens. Well, I'm curious how the implementation of these climate controls is better to be better.

It is much better than having every single little thing. The button row was weird because it was kind of hard to distinguish between which was driver and which was passenger side. But it was a cool, the kind of distinctive feature of that car. I don't think this is that big of a deal. I'm excited to drive an upcoming 26 Corvette, ideally the ZR1. Yep. Next news story. Ah, the Cadillac Celeste.

Who's talking about this? One of the cues. I am. The Cadillac Celestique is Cadillac's pinnacle model. They cost in the $350,000 range, and it's intended to be very bespoke. They are building 25. The Zer. It is hand-built.

I thought you said 35. No, 25. Oh, damn. It's a 20% decline from the previous number I heard. Rolling it back. They're building 25. There are a bunch of first drive. They're out of a bunch of journalists.

There's first drives out with the SELST. And the reviews are incredibly positive. They're comparing sound isolation to the Rollsore's Specter. It's an EV with more range than the Specter. It looks striking. I actually think it looks great, but it certainly looks striking. They're making 25. They have not yet sold 25.

They do not have pre-orders for 25 cars. Well, wait. So when you say they're making 25, they're making a larger production run. They are making 25. This year. Yeah, maybe they'll make more, but it's going to be handbills. It's going to be incredibly limited production, period. It is going to be limited production, but the goal is for this to be sort of their

Halo car at the top of their lineup. And they're going to make, and hopefully a few hundred or maybe. But they weren't able to line up 25 people to buy them. Would you? Isn't it $300,000? Yeah, $300,000. If you have $300,000. I buy this of a Rolls Choice Specter.

Would you? It's not going to be worth, in two days. It's going to be worth $68,000. This looks very Lamborghini, a spot-up-ish, if you will. Spotish, nice. That's a kind of, kind of, niche. Right, thank you. That's nice. This is kind of a niche. It is an incredibly

niche vehicle. It's another... Rolls-Royce is a very established car and will undoubtedly be more luxurious. And you can truly also do... You do all this bespoke stuff and it's a Rolls-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-A. People know what it is. There's no weird explanation that you have to... It's another failed halo car. We got the R-Aid sitting right there. It's another failed halo car. No, that's what you should do. Dream Halo car. The R-8 was the dream halo car. The Sillus... It's not even out yet, and I think it's incredibly cool.

with you that it's striking. I agree with you that I bet it's amazing, although they won't let me drive it. I'm going to tell that story. But it is a failed Halo car because you will never see one. It's like the LFA. Ultimately, it will never have the desired effect they want it to have on the brand because you will never see one of these cars. Just sitting in a showroom, collecting dust. Aren't they built it though? Not really. They haven't built any of their other concept. They should have so clearly been doing a G-wagon or been doing a CN or something like that. can I tell my Cadillac's story? Of course, please.

Okay, I got two stories about Cadillac. Cadillac is, there are most of the brands I'm in pretty constant contact with, the auto brands. Not Catalan. I can't get anybody in Cali like to talk to me, okay? So, so I've been asking for an Escalate IQ to review for weeks and weeks. And I was going on to town, I was just going to borrow one from a dealer. And finally, they were like, and we got one for you, even though it's been out for six months. Fine.

They do the Celesteik first drives, and I'm not on the list to go to the, this is, I wanted to review this card desperately. and no interest in getting me involved. They get Leno involved, okay? But I think they think Leno's going to, not to knock Leno, but I suspect, Leno's pretty positive towards the American brands. He loves his stuff. I think they realize he's probably going to be a little more.

But like, I'm going to get the most views. Are they worried I'm going to say bad things about the Celesteak? I'm not sure. I already have, I guess. So that's a shame. So I sent a note over to someone at Corporate Cadillac because of the local person, it's harder to get in touch with. And I sent a note to the corporate Cadillac.

And I said, hey, I want to do the Celestique. and they invited me out to Michigan in the fall to do Celesteak and the new ZER 1. And then I said, by the way, well, I got you. I said, I'd love to do a video with the CN. Do you want to pull up the CN? Well, I've got you. So the Cadillac CN was a concept supercar they made back in the day. Yep.

And they made one of them. And it was unveiled at the 2002 Detroit Auto Showman. They were way ahead of R8. They could have just, they could have. killed with this car. Really good. And man, did that turn into their whole design language to the XLR? 7.5-liter North Star V-12. So I said, we've talked about the car on the show before. And so I said to Ken, like I said, hey, well, I got you. The CN had been on display for the last six months or so at the Peterson Museum in LA. And I said, since we're talking,

do you think I could do a video with the CN? And they said, yeah, you could. And I said, by the way, would you be willing to sell the CN to me? And I was kind of hoping they would say yes, because automakers in the past have sold their concept cars to people who were willing to be good stewards of them and, like, show them in events and show them in public. The car is irrelevant to Cadillac today. I mean, their next product portfolio was electric, they're not making a soup. Like, it's not really a thing, right? And I thought, hey, maybe this would be my opportunity. And they specifically said the following.

Unfortunately, the CN is not for sale. You are not even the first person this year to ask about purchasing. But I still hold out hope. So I'm going to go out there in the fall and hopefully do a video on the CN, which I think they claim drives. And I'm going to try to convince them to sell it to me. I'll even tell them, hey, look, I will bring it to events. Like if you want it, if you need it, we can make that happen.

Because Ford did that with the GT90. These concept cars get out, and I think it'd be cool. That's so cool. Actually, looking at it here, the wheelbase is shorter than I thought. It looks like it's so long, but look how small the seat is. It actually looks pretty small. It's a pretty tight little car. It only weighed 3,300 pounds.

Despite that you can't own it, just like the Atal Design Columbus, which is an integral part of a tile design heritage, I am really looking forward to your review. Why are all these companies trying to safeguard these concept cars? Like, what does Cadillac care if they have this anymore? Wouldn't they rather have the cash? What do you think it's worth? I don't know.

That's a great question. I have no idea. I would assume they would ask a million for a million five, probably for it, something like that. But also, like, then if it does work, how do you make that engine run? I mean, it's so bespoke. It would be a real pain, I think. You couldn't use it much. No, no, no.

And people don't really realize how ratty concept cars are. Like, they are not production cars. They are not made to run and drive. They often have fake things where screens and switches and buttons and dials would be. Usually the body is kind of, the paint is really usually bad. It typically only has to last for a year.

It often flakes and peels. But you're sure that you could take it's like one of these Hollywood companies that build these cars? You could make it work, I would say, or like sort of, enough that you could have fun with it. I would consider doing that. Showing up to cars. Man, imagine showing up to cars and coffee.

So I hope that the conversation can continue because I legitimately would be serious about this. I don't think I'd spend a million bucks on it, but it'd be cool. I'll tell you what, you'd rather have that than a Celesteak. Yeah. By the way, you know about Clove? I'm sorry? Cadillax SUV, electrical SUV lineup spells love.

Sure. The lyric, the optic, the vistic. The vistic. And the escalate IQ. Love. Sure. And then if you add Celestique, it's clove. Okay.

Bring us for next few. Oh, yes, the ID Buzz. You got this. Roll today. All right. ID Buzz. all ID buses have been recalled for a crucial safety error. Namely, the third row has two seats.

It is too wide to legally be two seats. That is all factually accurate. Yeah. So what they're doing, the concern is that people will try to ride three across. There's only two seat belts. It's unsafe. And there are federal regulations around that. So what they're doing is they're recovering all of them, and they're going to add some plastic trim pieces in the middle

to make the seat smaller. Yeah. To make the seats smaller. Every single person who has a done will instantly take out. You know, as a person whose vehicle was, suffered the fate of the recall. I, you're not going to. The Sequoia's recall because the tow hitch cover fall off and might fall off.

I feel that recalls are a very important component of the NHTSA, the safety industry in this country. and I hope that this recall is performed and performed admirably. Well, thank God all 75 that they've sold to people. They have actually sold. It's actually interesting because when something like this happens, you can find out how many they've sold. They've got 5,700 that have come into the country.

Some of those are probably stock dealers. Wow, that's way more than I thought. Now, remember the famous Audi TT killing people recall? Yeah, the one with the rear spoiler. You know about this? The original Audi TT for the 2000 model you were in it first came out, it had a nice smooth bottom. and at high speeds it was unstable,

so they recalled them and put in a spoiler. But occasionally, if you're paying attention, you can still see TT driving around without the spoiler that never got the recall. So baseball stitching and smooth bottom. Yep. And if you're in one of those, that's the TT enthusiast.

Don't go too fast. Don't go too fast, but appreciate your beauty. Right. Okay, next news story, please. Ah, yes. So now, the Pagani Zonda, in our lifetimes, they have discontinued production of this car, what, nine, 10,000 times?

Something like that. Well, they're making another one. They're going to do another one-off design of this car. And the only really interesting things to say about it is that it's blue and it has 789 horsepower. That's it. It really is no different to any others other than they're going to continue making it. So, like, I don't understand why. Because rich people are paying $10 million from to do this.

The sad part of it is the Zonda was such a classy car. I know. It was such a classy car. A C12S, like a silver C12 S. Harry MacCath's former car. A nice original C12 Zonda was such a beautiful, classy, like special car. And now, look at that. That car, it was excessively styled, but in the cool way that a supercar is excessively style.

Right. Yes. And then you look at this thing and it's just looks like. It's such a shame. We've lived long enough to see them ruin a car. Like, imagine if Jag had taken all the E-types. and made them bad. The 12-year-olds watching hate this take,

they think this is the coolest thing in the world, and the Wira, too. And I'm a guy who doesn't like giant wings and blue carbon and blue wheels and all this other adornancies. What is happening back here? It's a lot. It's just such a shame.

Pagani is a manufacturer of cars for these types of people. You know, it seems to me like whenever there's a massive raid or drug bust and you look at the list of seized vehicles, they often have a wire up. No, that's exactly right. And there's such a small manufacturer.

And let's be honest, I don't think the Utopia is selling in quantity. So if someone's going to come and give you $10 million to build one of these, sure, you're going to take it. You're going to do it. Some would say that maybe they should have just continued to build these cars. Well, I mean, sure. It's clear if this is what people want, then keep building. This was such a special car. And they're doing this on existing bodies.

And that's the sad thing. Like, it's so sad to me that this car, that this car, that had its run and had its day in the sun and was like this vaunted thing is now becoming this like piece of jewelry for really tasteless. I mean, can you think of a, type in Pagani Waira,

here's a challenge for you, type in Pagani Wira and try to find a spec that is tasteful. It's hard. I don't know that there have, I've never seen one. Just a red launch spec. That one looks nice, actually.

Yeah, actually. But like you look at a lot of what these are when you see them at Car Week and when you see them riding on Montana plates wherever. Yeah. C, BS. And it's like a lot of, I'll go stuff. Keep scrolling.

They're often like pretty rough. That one actually looks nice too. That is a disaster. That is a disaster. That is a disaster. That is a disaster. That is a disaster. Et cetera.

It's just a shame. I think the Zonda's one of the coolest cars in the world. And each one more of these, I think, less of that. Yeah, that's not untrue. It's just, I could not, I couldn't believe that they're doing yet another one, even though I remember when Top Girls on the Air in like 2007 or whatever, or 12 or, But that's the benefit if you're a small volume manufacturer. You can do this and make a lot of money doing it.

And so I would do it if I were them too. And I don't know. Do I want to let the Zonda die? I don't know about that. But like, it just is like kind of an eye roll. I want to go to Horatio and say, hey, man, silver. Silver, regular wheels. He would say that he, and then he would look to his assistant.

He understands English, but his assistant would translate anyway. And then he tells him in Italian. That's his conspiracy theory about a radio. I've seen a video of him with Harry Metcalf of him speaking fluent English. In the car driving. But in a car week, he's like, I don't speak English. He doesn't want to talk to all the 12 girls. It's his thing, yeah.

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Oh, Felipe following the rules. The single greatest part of Felipe's day. Well, no, I mean. Every day. Yes, I was the single greatest part from today is his giraffe shirt that he's wearing, which is a great. It's an honor of Doug. Okay. I want to start off with the Jerry Seinfeld thing.

You saw this? Did you watch this? No. Spike's Car Radio, the finest automotive podcast. We do love. No, Ferris is the best podcast. We also love this. I think.

Is there any better one that I'm missing? The car mom is my favorite. Obviously. Okay. You're not going to help me out here. No. Okay. Because you want me to say it's ours, but it's not.

Smoking tire all the way. Okay. So I'm watching the Spike podcast the other day, and he's got Seinfeld on, and he asked Seinfeld, would you rather have, you're going to love this story. Would you rather have a career GD or 918? And Seinfeld, who's now 71, by the way, says 918. And Spike, who, Spike, who, I am quite. aligned with, to be perfectly honest, with his car interests and often his takes about stuff.

I think he's a pretty reasonable guy. In tennis. In tennis. In tennis. Spite goes, really? Like, he's obviously like, what are you talking about? Like, he's really? And then he says, why?

And without missing a beat, instantly. Spike goes, why? And Jerry goes, it's easier. And Jerry goes on to elaborate that it not only is the 918 easier, but it's also better built and faster due to the hybrid, easier to drive faster due to the hybrid technology. All true. So is the model. And I'm sitting here watching this and I'm thinking,

these are all the reasons that I prefer the career GD. Yeah, it's harder. It's harder. Yeah, of course. It's a manual. It's a tough clutch. It's low. It's a carbon chassis.

You're hearing all the little rocks everywhere you go. It's stiff. Right. It was the best they could build in 2005, 20 years ago. I mean, it was 10 years before the 19. It's not tip. It's not tip. The funny thing, and it's interesting because there was also a thread this week on the

Redless Supercar. car section, somebody who's asking whether they should buy a 918 or a career gt. And my general feeling on this is, if you're asking that question, you should buy a 918. If you, because you're, if you don't understand what makes the Carrera GT, the Carrera GT, it's not for you. Buy the one that's easier. And I, but I was surprised to see Jerry espousing this too. He's such a Porsche guy.

And the Carrera GT is better because it's more difficult, because it's more of, clearly more of a driver's car. Yes, it is not as fast in a straight line. That's kind of why I prefer it. The 918 is a point-and-shoot, rich guy fast car. You know, CareerG-T requires real effort. And I was thinking about this more. And one of the things that hit me about CareerG-T in the last week,

since I watched this is, CareerG-T is not a car for Porsche people. It's not a Porsche for Porsche. Oh, interesting. It is just not a typical Porsche in the way that Porsches are. It is more difficult to own. It is more fragile. It is more expensive to own.

And also, it has a massive engine, the biggest engine Porsche has ever made to this day. It's just, and they were basically all silver or gray. Like, they don't like the fact that there's no special version with stitching and a little air vent slats in blue. And I think that Porsche people, and I, a lot of the guys I know who have career GTs, do not have any other Porsches, none. And a lot of the guys that I know with Porsche collections don't have a CareerGT.

And it has started to kind of hit me that, like, the CareerGT isn't a Porsche for Porsche people. It is more dramatic, louder, more emotional, more temperamental. And with that mindset, it has started to reach me why a guy like Jerry who's so Porsche obsessed to the little detail kind of things maybe wouldn't like a car like the career GT that requires a little bit more sort of Italianness to operate it. So you said the nuance and the nuance to it is because it's fabulous to drive. Yeah.

Is the nuance than it is more for drivers who want character? It's a little more technical. Yeah, it's a little more technical, a little bit more characterful. And as a result, has this reputation for being kind of a sketchy car if you don't know how to handle it. But I think for a guy like a Jerry or a Porsche guy who's kind of used to these cars being a little underpowered and quite controllable, I think a Carrier GT is maybe not necessarily for them. And I think to an extent it is therefore sort of a non-Portia car that happens to be a Porsche. And you have to go add it with more of an exotic car kind of attitude. Which is so interesting because in its contemporaries that I would put in that category,

it's by far the most sedate and normal and easy to use. But compare it to 959, which is such a Porsche supercar, right? It is. It's such a Porsche Supercar. Some of us feel because it's just a 9-11 that looks like it has Elton Titus? It's a puffy 9-11. Yeah, it's a puffy night. It's a marshmallow 9-11.

That's my impression of a 959. I just take you, you just go, so it's a puffy 9-11, and it had all this tech, right? But it was a very 9-11 driveable car, whereas an F-40 was so emotional. That's true. Career GT is the most sedate-looking, but I would argue compared to Enzo and SLR,

it is either the most or up there with the most kind of emotional and crazy and in your face and insane when you actually get behind the wheel. And if you're looking for easier, which a lot of Porsches provide that, they provide this amazing confluence of, livability and performance, the Carrera GT does not provide that like other Porsches do. Very interesting.

All that you're talking about, it just takes me back to that Evo video that Evo did about comparing the analog supercars. And the Carrary GT was very firmly on that list. Second place after the McClain F1. Yes, which you could say British bias all you want. No, I'm willing to concede to the McLaren F1. That's a car that no one will ever, we'll be able to drive it to find out. Right, just had, yeah, that one had 100,000. thousand miles on move on.

But I am willing to concede to the McLaren F1, but it is interesting that all those guys got together and made that determination. And they had the greatest driver's cars in the world there. F40, F50, Mercilago, McLaren F1, Zonda. Zonda. And the Noble M-600 or whatever that. Yeah. British.

British journalists. But no, but that's the point. It's so above all the other Porsches it's in kind of a league of a town. Yeah. And it is, but yes, you're, I think. But it requires more care, more detail. And if you're into the typical Porsche ethos of ease and of usability, like Jerry has become accustomed to with dozens of other Porsches, it doesn't offer that.

Yeah, you say that. The man had 9-17. Like, Jerry's kind of experienced the hard, difficult cars that there are to use. And I understand, like, he's already done it. And, like, these days, more than 9-18, that's what more appeals to him. And I get that. But it's not like he doesn't like analog cars. I mean, he has had many of them.

Perhaps when you're 71, you too will prefer the 9-18. And I wonder if that plays a role. also. Because he just got rid of that 917, right? Isn't that the guy? Yes, he did. You wonder if maybe some of these cars are starting to kind of be on their way out, and the feeling of driving a car like the Career GT is not as desirable anymore, considering that the speed is even more accessible in the 918. Well, maybe one day after your knees have taken all the abuse of playing tennis, that will come for your Career GT and the 918 will be in one. Can you imagine choosing a 918 over CareerGT in any situation? Especially at current market values. No, absolutely not. Okay, Philippo, tell us the truth about life. it's time to sell my fee of 500 of barth cabrile damn time it was it let me ask you a question was it because

i cleaned it and you saw how good it looks at you're like i can't i can't do this i can't ruin this car no i mean that contributed although it i have noticed that my wife has been driving it a lot more since you cleaned it so that's something i've had it for a little bit over two years actually i have to review registration today uh honoring veterans yeah um it's It's fine. We've driven it not that much. They only use it to drive here from my house to cars and coffee sometimes. And it just isn't as good as my other cars.

And it just isn't like an interesting experience. But you said you enjoyed having three cars in case you wanted to buy something else. Oh. I don't know what yet. I don't know what yet. Does the next car does begin with the C and rhyme with Orvette? No. He's never going to do that.

He's never going to do that. He'll get an accurate ILX, A-Speck. As a third car. I want to be older. I would like an older. TV sounds interesting. Oh, wow. An AS 90.

The prices are down. Yeah, they are. Unfortunately, I have driven one, and therefore I have no interest. No one of one. Everybody who has one of those only ever has one in their lives. I just, the Fiat I've used, I'm kind of tired of that experience. It's a great car and sounds great and it's fun. It's not.

This isn't that competent. And it's not nice. I don't, I mean, that's kind of the purpose of. It's a buzz speed. It's cheap speed, yeah. And that's not. It's not even real speed. It's cheap and fun.

For years, it felt so right. Like, I drove the way that car or the way you should drive it, which is to say, aggressively and rudely. Primarily. I know, but I didn't want to say it. But now I think I'm done with that, and it's going to come on cars and bids soon. Wow. I'm probably going to clean it again for me.

Can I'll take a picture. What is it going to sell for? Oh, not a lot. It only had a $50,000. Pull up the 500. We haven't sold a cabriolet in a while. Oh, we're going to take a photo. Yeah, I'm sure that is a big determination.

But my guess is that it'll sell in the $7,000 range. $7,000. And it might be a little less than that. That's actually a pretty damn good number for seven. A pretty damn good car for $7,000. That's the right color, but not a cab. That's a cab. This is your car with how many miles?

95,000. Aren't you going to miss that great shifter? A shifter's so good. The shifter's so good. The shifter is positioning is great. The shifter is the weight of that shift. Okay, my car is not the nicest. For 54,000 miles, it is worn.

They all are a little worn. They were pretty badly built little cars. He very generously let me borrow that for a little while. Yeah, you're both. So it was away at the spa. Getting fixed, yeah. And he, you know, it's, yeah. The shifter is not great.

And the throttle's weird. It's also buzzy and crashy. It's fun, but like, it's a fun at a certain age and a certain time of your life. And the giraffe is moving on. I will be very clear in the auction listing, too, that. I've driven it aggressively for the last two years, and it's gotten oil changes.

Has it? Yeah. You did oil changes? Yeah, that's it. Twice. Every 15, $20.000. Is anything broken? Only the armrest, which is true on all of them.

All the 500s, yeah, I remember that being anything. Nothing else is actively broken. And the... Is it on the precipice of breaking? Maybe. You have some panel work we can be on the other side, but... The problem is you're going to sell this one like that we did with the kind. You're going to sell it to somebody's never heard of us.

And then they're going to be like, this car is messed up. You sold me a lemon. The known flaws section will be... be long, exhaustive. And also vague. Maybe we'll put that caveat. The whole car. Okay, that's interesting.

I'm ready for it to go. What are you thinking about doing this? Soon. Like next week or two? No, the next month. In the next month, this thing's gone. So you're not going to have it here in the fall. I'm so sorry.

Wow. You'll miss out. I got to figure out what I want instead, because having three cars is nice. As a third car, can I make a suggestion for you? Type in land cruiser. No. You know, I've been getting on land cruisers again lately. A hundred years or what?

Look at that. Go up to that. Go up to that. Can you buy this? No. It's got a 60 series front end, but it's an 80 series. Doesn't that mess with your mind? This is Hawaii plates.

Dude, is this in Hawaii? Buy this. No, it's in California. Oh, what a shame. Go back. Keep, go down. There's a couple that, okay, you should buy that dark red hundred series.

That's the greatest Toyota ever produced. I could see you with a Hyundai, Felipe. I do love the Hyundai. What about a nice 70? No. Okay. You know, I never require Montana. I don't Montana things.

I can't register in California. You can't. do South Dakota. I do. I've been weirdly drawn to first-gen Nissan Pathfinders. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to find a nice one. There's some around on on Facebook Marketplace primarily. We saw a very nice one. No, I mean, they're nice. We sold this incredible one. Yeah. Absolutely incredible. That was incredible. But like, imagine that. But you don't want this because you don't want to, no, I want one that has. Have you ever driven this car? No. I've driven other old SUVs.

They're all bad. Okay. So you're making fun of the NAS 90, but like, but like this. These weren't, when I was a kid, we had an Azuzu rodeo until I was 15 years old, which essentially is this car, right? I mean, they're not literally the same. I'm going to promise you the drive. If I blindfolded you and put you with, you would have no, you couldn't tell the difference between a rodeo, a pathfinder, a trooper, a blazer from that era, all those cars were crashy and plastic and slow and loud and cloth seats that was so unfirm. Yeah, right. You want the hard driving experience of a career GT. He wants to do a first-gen path line.

I drive the Fiat to the... When we had the Toyota pickup truck that we sold on cars a bit, we had to hear the office, I had to drive it to the shop or to get smog or some of that. And you're just so calm driving that, because you know you can't go fast. Yeah. Great visibility.

You're not optimizing for speed or handling. You're just cruising. Yeah. And I take the Fiat for Barth from here to my house. Yeah. And I have better cars from when I actually want to drive somewhere. If you want a vintage city, can I make a suggestion? Yeah.

First Gen Q7. Let's move on. Takes you back. Let's move on. I hate that generation. Will you, really? Yeah. Will you have this SUV in a couple months?

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The video went live. I reviewed the telotruck. Pull it up. Pull up the telotruck video. Did you read the comments? I have neither watched the video nor read the comments yet, but I will because I love the idea of the telotruck. Tellotruck. Doug DeMiro, the first thing comes up as a Volvo.

Oh, he does. All right. So telotruck, posted the video, telotruck video. And every one of the comments, you don't have to show them because someone get into the foul language, you know. But every one of the comments said the same thing. which was, I can't believe you're calling this affordable at a $40,000 price point. And I got to say, like, YouTube commenters have, and then then inevitably it becomes Doug is so rich. He's lost the plot.

He doesn't know what affordable is. The average new car is like $52,000 now. For four seats, zero to 60 in four seconds and a six foot bed, this, and fully electric, this is an affordable vehicle. I hate to say it. Like, this is where the market is. You can say that I'm wrong all. you want, but the data is not wrong.

And I would be also curious what the average price of a new pickup truck is, which I bet is well above the $52,000 number. The mini-cuber starts at 30. The mini-cuber starts at 30. Four-cylinder mini-couver. What's a base camry? My dad in 98 bought a mid-trim, Camry, L.E. That was the mid-trim for 19-5.

29. 29 base for a base-base Camry. So, for 40 for this truck, which has, in theory, because it's not in production, and it may never be, but in theory, which has 800 horsepower, some ridiculous number, and four full-size, you know, four doors and a full bed, and it's fast. And it's electric. To get this thing at 40 grand, that is affordable, whether or not you want to admit it in today's market with today's automotive pricing.

This is what we call affordable. By the way, the BZ4X, which is a Toyota's smallest EV. Yeah. MSRP 37. Really. And that's a terrible car that is slower than this with worse range than this, with worse practicality than this, and it's uglier not only than this,

but then every car ever conceived. Yeah. We all agree. And that has a terrible name. You forgot the lowercase B. I forgot to say that. Well, 40 grand. That's affordable.

That's affordable now. This is the world we live in. It's not my fault. It's not my fault. The average new car is over $50,000. The YouTube commenters who are all driving Ford of Crown Victoria's, 997, can't wrap their heads around this.

but if you look for a new car, you understand that this is actually a pretty good number for $40,000. Yep. You'll get a Kia Sorrentos, $48,000 now. Right. You get a Hyundai Santa Fe, it's $52,000 now. You get a Kia telluride. It's $68,000 now.

Yeah. Trustworthy numbers. You know what I saw on the road today? A brand new G90, Genesis G90. You did. Brand new. Brand new place. Which fleet did they buy for?

I was astonished that it looked like it was real. I was hoping it was the M5. The new M5? G90. I haven't seen one of those. Oh, G90, yeah. That's the other G90. Okay, we got to now move on to the market report.

The market report where we talk about the market trends. It's brought to you by the Cars and Bids app. No, it's brought to you by the Cars and Bids sort function. Ooh. Where you can sort truck, manual, years. It's great stuff. These are called filters, but you can sort by where there's newest listed, closest to you, etc.

I don't know what they're called. It's too complicated for me personal. Yeah. Market report. Market report. I want to talk about the Kia EV6. Can you pull up the EV6? Yeah. I mean, wild. This is a key V6. Kenan's sitting over here saying key V6, that sounds boring. Not really. Pull it up. Pull up this one. This little guy. We sold this a couple weeks ago. We sold this a couple weeks ago. All right. Looks like it's in Connecticut. Looks like a Kia EV6. This car sold for $31,000 United States dollars. Do you know how much power this has? Yeah, it's in the subtitle. It's 576 quartz power. This has 575 horsepower. This does 0 to 60 in, I'm not exaggerating, three seconds. 0.2. 3.2?

Faster in CRRGT. Faster in Enzo. This is a $30,000 car. Such is the rate of progress. I understand that electric cars, in general, to enthusiasts or not that desirable, et cetera, but I happen to find the EV6 very good looking. Remember, its design inspiration was, do you remember, launch Estratos. Right.

It's you can tell. $30,000. Yeah. Also, it may be, I don't know for sure, but it may be eligible for the UDV tax credit if you don't. There's a used EV tax credit? There's a damn. In the federally? Yeah.

Yes, isn't it based on your income level? It does phase out based on income at a different level than the new tax credit. This is 575, 0 to 60 and 3.2. This is wild. That is crazy. What, don't I own this? Yeah. Third car.

Car number three, Philippo. Canon, I understand. that you're not an EV guy, but you've got to admit there's an incredible value. I'm not an EV guy only because it doesn't quite work because I'd know where to charge it. That's the only I would have an EV because I'd drive back and forth not very far and it would be kind of nice.

This would be amazing. 575 horse. This isn't, because other EV6s sell, we know they're depreciated whatever, but they're usually the GT line or just a regular EV6. The GTs, the actual GTs, which is roughly equivalent to the Ion 5N, is actually quite a rare car. So I was very curious

when this came up to see what it would sell for. And the answer is 31. Very little. This is affordable. Screw the Tello truck. Right. Get one of these. Sorry, Tullo. I mean, and this one, the crumple zones aren't your knees, so that's good. You know, people

say that, but the smart, you ever see the smart car getting an accident? You see those video? I have. They are pretty safe. Triedent cell, excuse me. I thought they just called it the safety cell. No, they added name for it. Trident cell. That's made up. All right, great deal. Kenon, tell us about the CLS. Yes. So,

I've been looking at 55 chart, you know, the generation of 55 power of Mercedes, E55, the W2, 11, and stuff like that. Those are, you know, kind of 15, gets you one of those, 20 for a good one. We just sold the CLS 55 for $9,700. Now, it did have miles on it, 140,000 miles, but it had good maintenance history, no accidents on the Carfax. Like, it was not heavily modified. Like, it seemed like a pretty nice car. and I think for sub $10,000, not only is that a very serious car

because that has real performance, I think it's also one of the best looking. That silhouette is gorgeous. And I just, I remember when this car came out, I would take pictures of it. I have like bad selfie pictures in period. Absolutely, because I just thought it's like, wow, this is a serious car.

And now, like, they are really, really, really cheap. And I don't think that's necessarily warranted it. I think it's really cool. Here's a fun fact about this car. This was the first 06 model. It came out like January 11 of 05. I agree with you completely. Also worth calling out, this particular power train is reliable.

Very. That's why you're looking at this car. The M113K is an enormously reliable engine, and you can get a lot more power of them than they had factory. They're very robust. And that platform that is shared with the E55, MG is renowned for being very... Drawbacks to this car, I would say, the E55s are more practical because this only had two back seats.

But I'm a single guy. Yeah, for you. Also, though, to me, the other issue is a lot of these were bought by folks who I wouldn't necessarily want to have the same car as. Do you know what I'm saying? Do you kind of understand what I'm saying? Expand a little more for it.

Well, they got, a lot of them got lowered with some mods that I'm not sure about, with some exhaust that I'm not sure about. A lot of these are going state ref, let's just say. I agree generally. But this one seems pretty stock. No, this one looks like a fairly nice one. But again, how many miles are on it?

140. Yeah, which is proof, by the way, that this is a relatively reliable car. I mean, how baller is that for 10 grand? I actually got up behind one of these yesterday. I was in the Courage Dutty on the freeway, and it had an old vanity plate, old California vanity plate that was like the guy's name and then 55. And I wouldn't be shocked if he bought it new. It was like real.

Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. I just think that they're really cool cars. I've always loved them and I'm just astonished. For that money and for that level of performance, 4169 horsepower, right? Or was it more? No, 469.

Yeah, they're cool. And it became the CLS 63 pretty quick, and that motor is not as trustworthy. Yeah, I think that's putting it mildly. But yeah, look at this. It is, yeah, I'm in love with this car. I mean, what a bargain. It is a nice shape.

I actually like the second-gen-gen-cel-s shape more, but this was the bargain and the power train to have. Oh, totally agree. So you're going to buy one? That picture there. That line, that three-course, I mean, that lays a nice-looking car. Such a defined and beautiful.

It was the E-Class, but attractive. And I remember that was the general feeling at the time. Yeah, yeah, totally agree. Unfortunately, I don't love the front end. I've never loved... You know, it's 9-960. You have to kind of be into the weird headlight thing, which I'm fine with. It's a nice-looking car, though.

I haven't thought about this car a long time, and it's a nice-looking car. It really is. It aged a lot better than either of the E-classes in this area. Oh, yeah. The 211 or the 2-12. Well, I love that too. No, I like the 2-11 a lot, too. But, like, it looks like it's of its era, I think, more than this car does. That's fair.

Yeah. That's very fair. Okay, we got to move on to questions. We have questions, and they are from people. Folks, questions this week were the best we've ever had. Wow. And you can ask us questions. You go to Carsandbids.com.

You click on the community tab, and there will be a post there that says, ask us questions, this post. And then if you ask us questions, you can ask them there. Now, I used to pick the highest questions. I now pick the best questions. Wow. Okay. And this, he doesn't take me seriously, which is tough.

Okay, questions. First question is from Eric Muir. With the addition of classic cars onto the Cars and Bids platform, we've added classics. Yep. Sell it all. If you want to sell your American underslung, sell it here. Oh, man, what I would give.

Well, that's the question. What cars are you hoping to have come on to the site? Stutz Bearcat. That's a surprise. That is not. You're going to go with that and just leave it out there? Yeah. Okay.

Philippo. I don't even know what that is. Okay. That's okay. Okay. You know what a bear cat is? Oh, yeah, neither do I. The Stutz Bearcat was like the sports car of its, wasn't it like the supercar of its day? Yeah, it was like, yeah, in its time, it was. Yeah. Where's the one I'm looking for? I mean, those are all bear cat.

Stutz bear cat, too, not as appealing. No, go to, you got to pick a yellow one. Mentally, they're yellow. You got to pick a yellow one. Doug has somehow latched on to that idea. This is the one. No, not, that's not even a Stutz bear cat. This is the one. It is a Stutz Barca. No, that's a later or earlier one.

Go back up! What do you do? Why won't you click on this Stutz Bearcat? Look at these people. That's a Stutz Bearcat. That's what he wants to see on this site. Do you understand? Mm-hmm.

Look at these old folks driving this thing. I mean, yeah. Filippa, what? I'm thinking. What do you want to see on the set? I think of the 20s one. Vintage. I gotta think about this.

I'll take, well. Please, answer against one. I mean, there's so many. I'd love to see an original Ford G. Oh, 60s. Yeah, I'd like to see that. I'd like to see, I mean, it's heavy metal I want to see, right? I love to see some vintage Ferraris and Adino at some point on the site, stuff like that, like real.

That would be cool. Early Cuntosh. Yeah, a periscopio car would be. We like the supercars, so we'd like to see the supercars. You don't have an answer because you focus only on the plastic era. Focus over it only on the plastic era. I focus on the baccalaid era. Only three people got that.

The audience is what I focus. Oh, man. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, there, I mean, there are so many

cool old cars. Like, there are, I don't, I don't, know anything about that. Why don't you go original civic?

It's just barely pre-cut up. It's like 77, wasn't it? The first jet to extend it through, we've hosted one.

There's a lot of great cars. It's not the era that I know the most about it. How about American underslung? How about Suiza? You want to see a suezza on the site? Only to see Kenon freak out. Yeah.

Oh, any Hispanic Suiza. I'd be thrilled. Okay. Except for the EV one it currently exists. Wow. Even then, honestly.

Okay, next question from Germany 21. When I was growing up, I always heard the following things. Toyota and the Japanese are reliable. The Germans and Americans are not. Is that still true? It's a great question. I don't think that is true. I don't think it was necessarily true at the time I...

Oh, no, no, it was. You were too young. The W-123 was always reliable. You're too young and you didn't come to America early enough. Can we talk about this? All right, I have real feelings about this. It is so dependent, rely... The real, all cars need maintenance.

Oh, don't. You sound like me. The reason that I think some cars have a reputation for being especially unreliable in the U.S. where that's not a reputation they have elsewhere is that parts availability and mechanical knowledge differ. A mechanic anywhere in the U.S. can work on your F-150. Just they can. They've been doing it forever. They know they can diagnose it quickly.

They have parts available. I'm going to have a great counterpoint when you are when. So I grew up in Italy. And the Italian, like the Fiat Panda, the Fiat Punda, whatever, everybody just thought, like, they were reliable because you... They were ubiquitous. They were ubiquitous. Parts were everywhere. Everybody knew how to work on them.

It wasn't a problem if something went wrong because you knew exactly what it was. And your brother, your cousin could just fix it in your driveway. Okay. Which is also true of any other car of the U.S. now, right? And your point is that in the States, the European cars, they came from a faraway land. They weren't as ubiquitous, so we don't have that viewpoint. I won't work on my fancy Europe. Volkswagen is a real example of this where, in Germany and most of Europe, Volkswagen is a

Volkswagen is revered, including old, like, Mark 4 golf sold that they were built elsewhere for the European market than for the U.S. market, are revered as incredibly reliable, long-lasting cars. Here they're not, and I think it is driven by what felt familiar. Okay. Can I make a counterpoint? Sure. The Japanese cars. Yeah. The Japanese cars were also, yeah. The Japanese cars also came from a faraway land and got their foot in the door in a time where they were unfamiliar by being dependable and reliable cars. Yes. And specifically, Specifically, as I recall with Le Huss. Jeez.

You don't think I'd get away with that. No. With Akira. Lexus came out with the LS 400 and started stealing some of the market share of these Germans, specifically because these German cars were known to be unreliable and the Japanese were known to be reliable, even though when the LS 400 came out, it probably didn't already have the same familiarity that a Mercedes-as-thused it. I think the problem is this.

The European cars that were sold in the states primarily were more technically complex. Yeah. Because primarily in the states, European cars are seen as luxury vehicles. And we always insisted on luxury features. And that was not true in Europe where a lot of European cars, even the ones that we view as luxury cars, you go to Germany and E-Classes are taxis and rental cars and police cars. And every E-Class taxi has three billion miles on them. I would still argue that the European cars are probably more unreliable for that reason. They still have more technology that is still never quite as fully tested.

The Americans are no longer unreliable, though. No. And also, you can't gloop them all together. There are cars that also, I think, tries to be on the forefront of something. You're going to say Chrysler is still unreliable. Yes. I agree. I wasn't going to say that, but that is true.

Aside from the fact that every Ford vehicle is recalled 17. times within the first six months of ownership. The American cars in general, I do not hear less complaints about anecdotally from people I know with them than I hear about Japanese or Korean more or less. Neither more nor less. It seems to me that the American cars are now, if I was buying a car today, I wouldn't necessarily consider an American car less or more with reliability being a factor. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. I think you're right. I remember the era of growing up here that he doesn't. And like, I mean, man, American cars were bad.

Like, so insult to be bad. I actually wasn't the Jeep Grand Cherokee. 80s, 90s, transmissions were dying. You couldn't get to 100,000 miles. There were trash cars, and it really opened the door for the Japanese. But the Americans started to turn that around in the mid-2000s. The cars were not nice, but you still see 2000s Tahos and all those cars are still running really, really big miles.

Right. And I think the, I think also just production techniques have changed so much. And the demand of the consumer expects much better. stuff does trickle down from some of these high-end manufacturers and like it it just elevates everybody. And now we're at a point where, I mean, yeah, most cars are very nice, even from like less expensive brands and things like that. But yeah, to your point, no, I agree. I don't think American car. That said some European car, I mean, BMW still has rod-bearing problems and still has timing chain guide issues with their modern engines.

Like they still have like as built as of 2021. Get exclusively 518 eyes and you're probably in a good spot. Unfortunately, the U.S. market doesn't want that. I will also say, somehow Toyota and others have gone away with having some kind of large reliability crises, and I haven't not really impacted them. Honda transmissions in the early 2000s didn't really impact their brand reputation overall, despite the fact that every single V6-made automatic transmission failed from 2000 to 2003. Toyota and the rust issues.

And current engine issues on the tundra and non-hybrid sequoia. It's not on the non-hybrided sequoia or the tundra. is a casting flaw that affects a small portion of 22 tundra only. Or Subaru and oil consumption issues, including on their current 2.5 liter engines. There's things where some brands have kind of pushed past that in a way that's honestly impressive. That's an interesting point. You know, Honda, I mean, Honda's lunch those transmissions. There is not a single 99 to 03 accurate TL that's out there right now that isn't on its 11th transmission.

It's like the Ford Focus of its day. Yeah. That's exactly what. The DCT for. You don't see those 9-09-03 TLs anymore, and if you do, it's a Type-S with a manual, although the TL was never offered with any form of manual. Maybe the non-type S is worth.

That gen. The CL was offered with this. Anyway, the point is there. You're missing. I've gone beyond the point, which is that you're right. That has happened, and it is some. I will say, the question is correct.

There was an era when the Japanese were building reliable cars, and the Americans were not, and the European cars in the U.S. were not reliable either. And maybe that's changed a little, but I still wouldn't buy a European car for its reliability. Unless you're buying a W-123 Mercedes. Even then. Okay, next question from D. Brewer.

From D. Brewer. How did you guys meet each other? And what were your first impressions of one another and what cars did you have at the time? What a great question. Kenan, start us off. I will start with the first time I met you, which was when my car broke down

at a car meet when you were driving across the country and you're Asthmart & V.A. Advantage. In 16, I drove cross-country and back in my vantage and I hosted meetups along the way. And I did a meetup in Boise and Billings in Minneapolis, in Chicago, and in Cleveland. Yes, because you're, yes, that's right. That's right. Cleveland just happens to be the largest city that you actually do want to stop in between Chicago and Philadelphia.

And so that's why you ended up there. But I drove up there with my friends in our E-39 M5s and won in his E-60M-5. And my car decided that was the time I wanted to break down. I'd have a flatbed coming and get it. And he was taking pictures of it and thought, I can't believe. this is too perfect. All my friends love this car. Have we shown the picture?

We can certainly place it in here, but you're welcome to show the picture. There's actually... Oh, right. We can put it in. Yes. I'm not going to do that. I'm going to pull it up right here, right now, so we can see that broken down car. Kenyon's car, he comes to this thing. He's so proud of his car, September 23 of 16.

It says nine years ago. And here's Kenan's car. Can you see it on my phone? We'll have to put it up. What was the date again? September 23 of 16. Kennett's car broke down at this meetup, and so that's how I first met. My friend Ryan does these videos.

He's always done these daily vlogs where he talks about, like, his life in general. It's kind of a fascinating. Say he's done over 5,000 days now. And so he did he vlogged this. He vlogged the moment that it broke down. And there it is. The car actually broken down. We did it at abandoned shopping mall.

Yes. And eventually I'm doing an exhaustive of the 60, but there is the tow truck. I came to pick it up. It's so funny. Kenon's beloved car that lets him down one time, and it's, but it's this amazing situation where because it lets him down this one time, we were actually able to.

I was memorable, because then the next time I saw you, it was like, yeah, I was the guy who broke, his car broke down. I was the only person, that's my friend, Luke, I was the only person whose car broke down.

At any one of my car. At any one of the events. Probably thousands of people came to time. God, was that embarrassing. And then they dropped the next day, they dropped it off the wrong location. What, the keys in the ignition? That was extra thrilled about that experience.

but it got me one of my best and closest friends. What about Felipe? How did you meet Felipe? Philippo, the first time I met him was through you. Although Felipe was originally a writer on cars and bids, and I was kind of oversaw his work and was his editor. And that was how we got to know one. We didn't meet in person for the first time for quite some time after until you came to visit in San Diego.

I remember Doug explicitly asking me, he was like, what do you think about Felipe? Do you like filipp? I love Felipe. He's great. And he's like, we're going to hire him. And so, and we've been. We've started working since, and then eventually you moved to San Diego after some, after you convinced everybody that you care about to move to San Diego largely.

Except one or two. Can you tell the story about how we met? Yeah. I was on safaried. He was eating from a high branch. Brian, giraffe, of course. On camera it looks even more like a giraffe. Look at that.

I do agree with that. On camera, it looks more giraffey than it does in real life. Okay. I've known you for 10 and a half years. Wow. I just have to do some mental math there. Wow. You moved to Philly in 2014.

More to 14, yeah. I was in Philly in school, and I emailed Doug. Yeah. And then we got pizza at a place in Head House Square in Philly. Yeah. I remember how long it's been because I started dating my wife right around the same time. And I told her that I was going to get dinner with this random person from the internet. And she was very concerned because we hadn't been dating for long enough for her to like know what was going on.

And at the time, that would have been, like, now it does. I don't email people out of the blue. I don't reach out to people. This is a weird fluke. I am astonished that it happened. At the time in Philly, I had just moved to Philly, and it was a new city. I had not lived there. And so I wanted to meet people.

And so I literally was like, hey, people random. Like, my following wasn't as big as it is now. So I could kind of be like, answer my own emails. And it was like, hey, send me an email. And I'll get, and I had dinner with, like, hundreds of people over my four years in Philly. Like, literally hundreds of people. And a few of those people stopped And one of them is over there

Right, a producer is one of them And I remember telling my wife Like this is the first This is friend number one Like this person is gonna stick And look at you now Started filming videos If you go back to old Doug videos

Hummer era Filippo is in some of the I filmed a lot of them Remember when you drove the R32 Of course But I filmed a ton of them But go to the Kia Specter one That's really the one

What a good video This was actually Philippo's Kia Yeah That was my key Yeah. And he's in, if you go late in the video when we talk about what it's worth. I thought it was early.

Here's a video. Wow, young Felipe. There's young Felipe. There's young Felipe. We were talking about it. And get out of this. And when was this published? When did this video go line?

This was published eight years ago. Made 12 of 16. 10 years ago. I left Philly right around then. I graduated from college. But so many videos filmed. If you ever go back to old Doug videos and the camera work is shoddy. It's Philippo.

It's probably me. Okay. I got two more questions. One is very, very quick. and the other one is a little bit longer. Question from Ezekiel. Do you think the BMW exam will fall into the category of enthusiast cars

no one wants today but are cherished in the future? Ken, I'll let you take this one. Let me do the mental math there. Carry the one, you know. No. That's a Doug thing that he came up with. Absolutely not. Okay, final question from Motor Mouth.

And by the way, we talk about how some cars that are hated in their times become beloved later. Some cars that are hated in their times, stay hated. Yep. 100%. Most, actually. Yeah. And the hard part is figuring out which it will be.

With the XM, it's easy to tell. For Motor Mouth, if you had to rebuild your collection of cars from 2020 and up, what would your garage consist of? I presume this question is aimed at me, but I want you guys to take a shot on it, too. Let's say you had to get three cars. That's so easy. Okay. A new E-Class flag, a new E-Class flag, which is already 20-20.

Which is the only new car, a new-ish car I have. Well, that's easy for me because I only have one car. The third car would be a V Blackwing. Is that still 2020 and not? Yeah. Still for sure. Okay, so you're able to do it. I just recreate my collection.

It's a little better. You're right. You got an E-Wagon from the new era. Right. You got an all terrain. Yeah, I'll sense about that. Yeah, he wants an alter-aid. He claims he doesn't, but he wants it.

We love my S-212, though. Yeah, but you want an S-3-13. For me, it's hard. It's very, very hard. I think I would get... You have a 2024-sequio. Well, the Sequoia and the Sequia and the E-Wagon. I guess the sterato I would probably get

I don't know which one replaces what but I'd probably get a strato 9-11 ST. I'd probably get a 9-11 ST. What's a manual? I mean, what do you get? It gets a GTD to replace the 4-GT. Well, I don't know that the 9-11ST even replaces the career GT.

To me that seems more like the 4GT kind of thing. Like it's a pretty usable high performance. You know, like so's to her. Super usable. with the stiff system. Yeah, well, then maybe they're both forger-tree. I don't know. The answer is the cars I have, you can't replace them.

T-50. I get a T-50. If I'm able to do whatever, I'll take a T-50. What modern supercar has a manual? T-50. No, what modern, reasonable supercar has a manual? T-33. That's for sale in the U.S.

not on a show on display. I think T-50 and T-33. What, are you trying to lead me to something? No, I'm legitimately trying to think about this. Like, what is in the million to million-five price range, that is post-2020 that has a manual. Nothing.

Million bucks, nothing. It's the T-50. I'm serious about this. I would choose. My garage, we've just said it. I would get a T-50, a Starado, and then replacing the G-Cab, it's irreplaceable.

A Jeep Rangler 4-E. You know what I would do? I would go to the damn convertible conversion place. Oh, yeah. I would call up... Newport Beach. No, I would call Stroman.

I get him off his... Because last time I heard he's sailing the world on his yacht. I'd call Stroman and I'd say, I have a job for you. And it'd be like one of those movie scenes where like the retired guy is like on a beach somewhere and he gets a call. And he's like, one last heist. Okay. Yeah, one last heist, exactly. And Strauman would come to me and we'd do it.

That would replace my G-CAP. What a daydream that would. Or what a fever dream? Yeah, that's the word. Two door only, folks. Okay, that's our last question. And the end of this podcast. Next week, the podcast is weird.

It's weird. We've already filmed it. It's weird. But we'll be back to normal the week after that. Felipe, do you have any parting thoughts or anything that you'd like to promote like you usually do? Lettuce. Lettuce. I love lettuce.

And I say that not as a giraffe, but as Folipo. It flies to both. It's incredible. They got a giraffe over here. Oh, boy. Okay. Thank you for another lovely podcast. This was the finest podcast we've ever done.

Ever. Fact. Felipe, you lick those high tree leaves. Goodbye. Please. Goodbye.