THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Porsche Kills the 718! China Crushes Tesla! Doug on BMW’s Ugly Redemption Arc!

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

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and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenneth. I'm Filippo. And there's a lot to talk about starting with that, which is apparently some sort of concept car intended to signify the new Nissan GTR. Nissan announced recently that they have people working on the next generation GTR. I don't find this to be a big news story because they haven't announced the car. They haven't told us what it's going to be, et cetera.

But I do find the interesting part to be, why does Nissan have people working on the new GTR considering everything they've told us about their finances generally? Some would say they might have bigger fish to fry at the moment. Yeah, like any of their other cars. There is no bigger fish than Godzilla, I would argue. Oh, it's not a fish. But they, I think so.

He swims. Doesn't he swim? You swim. You're not a fish. Good. That's true. Got him, got him. Didn't Nissan this week announce that they were thinking about selling their headquarters or something?

Yeah, well, they need $700 million. And so what can you do? Do you sell that? Because you got to employ some people to work on a GTR. We knew that the new guy running Nissan is a car enthusiast. I can understand wanting like a halo car. The GTR has helped their brand massively. Hopefully they have like a person, like an intern.

That'd be fine. They could afford an intern. They're not making good cars and not making all the mistakes they made over the last 20 years. Yeah. Yeah. Someone would say existing. You know what they ought to do. Instead of developing a new GTR, they should create a time machine.

And they should go back 20 years and make a lot of different decisions. They don't have enough employees or money for that. Too much manufacturing. Maybe if they sell their headquarters. So anyway, the new GTR, I'm glad to hear it's coming. Presumably it's going to be a plug-in hybrid. I have no doubt. Is it coming?

I mean, yeah, this is more vaporware than, I mean, yeah, I don't know. Who knows? It's so uncertain for them. The great irony is that the new Nissan Pathfinder is a good car. That is the great irony. Yeah. Okay, fine. Let's move on to the next news story, which is Volkswagen.

Yeah, so Volkswagen announced this week that they are going to stop using the ID naming convention for their electric cars. Canada, of course, is familiar with the ID4, the IDV. For the ID buzz, the ID3, two, maybe the one, no, just the three and two in Europe. You lost me there. Where it's the number signified the size-ish. There's supposed to be an ID-7 sedan that never existed. They're going to go to actual names. Lemon, as shown on the screen, will probably not be one of their actual names.

It will probably be wins like their other cars are. But it's yet another story in the big chain of stories of automakers not knowing how to name EVs. And eventually they just end up with their normal naming structure. Just go for just fine. Which is fine. Goodbye, IB Buzz. Did you know that golf referred to the golf stream? Oh, I see.

That's true. I'm not making that up. Interesting. The Passat is a large wind that goes over Europe or something like that. The Tuareg is a wind of something? Yeah, no. It all fell apart. It fell apart.

Like, C.C. isn't a wind. You know what I'm saying? Right. And the beetle wasn't either. So, like, there's a wind in there. But, but. Don't they call it the new beetle? I don't know.

But yeah, that's true. They did. They called it new one the beetle. But Passat or golf referred to the Gulf stream, even though they spelled it differently. I swear to God, that's true. And then Gulf Harlequin was the Gulf Stream, but then it was Harlequin because it had different colors. Are you aware of how the name Tiguan, which is their small SUV came to be? It is the, it is the word tiger and the German word for iguana, which is Leguon, combined together.

Yes. Well done. I'm a Tiguan enthusiast. I'm a Tiguan enthusiast. Who is it? The early stick Tiguan's. I was a big, I was a big fan. Mm.

I just hate the TIG1L, just the only one sold in the U.S. It's real shame. All right. Okay, so Volkswagen is going to name their cars. Had they announced, are they going to rename the current cars? They haven't said. This is like one, a single report where somebody said, we're going to stop doing this. It's unclear for the next generation right now, whatever.

If you could name the ID4, what would you call it? The E. Touse. The E. Touse? But it's a totally different car. Yeah. And that also just rolls right off the tongue. A little joke about there.

I know. I know. I know. Names of wins. Oh, Chiraco, Bora. Mistral's already taken. Chinook, Camzen, those are taken. What else could they do? Haboob. What about Haboob?

That would be a great name for a truck. Okay. For a truck only. All right. Give us the next one. You, Habo. All right. So we've known for a while that the 718 box during and Kamen were leaving, departing

world soon. Yes. They've confirmed that they're going to end production later this year. In October of this year, it will be the end of production for the 718 model line. Unfortunately, their EV replacement was supposed to come out in 2026. It has now delayed at least a year. They've said a year, but let's be honest. Let's be honest.

To 2027. So that will leave a large gap in Porsche's lineup where they will not have any sub-9-11 sports car. Crazy. For at least a year. And it's also unclear how much the demand that'll be for the EV one once it comes out. So there may be other changes. here. So is it,

is there a regulation change that means they absolutely have to stop producing cars? Or could they just, is the tooling worn out and they can't produce anymore? Could they just extend it for I don't know, another year and to cover the gap? I would not be shocked if it's not compliant with Euro

8, wherever the next set of Euro initial regulation are. Although keep in mind that canceling 718 production also freeze up capacity in Zufanhausen so they can make more 9-11s, which probably have higher profit. Because boxters are still made there in that same factory. I mean, I remember taking the factory tour, and there'd be a

box store on the line, and then the 9-11 on the line next. And it was like, wild. Yeah. And also, with tariffs in the U.S., which is a large market for them, where they might still want to make them if they can't sell them in Europe, an $80,000 car becomes a $100,000 car just from the tariffs alone. I think that maybe has meant their price out of that market. Why not? And production, wait and invest in their... Interesting. That's a good point. I will also know... China is paying the tar. I don't know. You don't understand the tariff. The car is made in. It doesn't matter. I was told that China would pay. Right. One quick note, because we're talking about European emissions regulations,

there's about to be a bunch of interesting stuff that results. There was a new story that we didn't include, because I forgot about it until right now, that the Lotus Mira V6 may not be complying with the next round of emissions regulations in Europe, and so they may need to change to a different engine. There's going to be a lot of this where slightly older engines just can't meet European requirements anymore. And so, So your automakers have to adapt, roll out additional different engines. Lotus for Worthworth is talking about a V8. Oh, full from Mercedes there.

But it's going to be interesting. Over the last couple of years, you'll see more and more news stories about, especially for European cars, what engines become available because they only want to invest in engines that work for all of their markets. I'm here for the Amira V8. That ends up trickling down and having an effect in the U.S. market. You know, the entire reason, you know, the Audi R8 is beloved for its beginning of the whole trend of making daytime running lights cool.

But do you know why we have daytime running lights in all of our cars? Do you know why? Canada. Canada mandates it. They require it. And the companies were like, you know what? If Canada's going to mandate it, we'll just do it in the U.S. too. And then it's like, well, if we're going to do it, we might as well make it cool.

And that's why we have. It's because of Canada. That Canada forced daytime running lights on us and probably saved a lot of lives, honestly. Probably. Yeah, same reason why if you're by your opinion. car, it's more likely to have rear or front fog lights, because rear fog lights are mandatory, although usually in the U.S.

state put a reverse slide there. Yeah, it depends. Wow, the Canadians. I didn't know that. Sorry, I know it's an inconvenience for you there, but we're going to do this and save some lives there, so put some day-time thing like in the car, sorry. More to come.

On the topic of this story, pretty wild. I mean, okay, Ken and I were talking about this before the podcast started. There has not been exactly a ton of love for non-special versions of the boxer and came in from 718 generation. It's a four-cylinder.

It's not a flat-6, the base engine. It's been around for coming on a decade now, close to it. They've done what they could with the platform. We all knew it was ending, the Spider-R-S, the KMGG4RS, and we knew it was going to be that. Yeah, but nonetheless, it's still a gas-powered mid-engine car, and based on what I'm seeing with auction results for 981s and 982s, I have a suspicion that the market, if it doesn't appreciate it that much today,

will appreciate it. Because you know what's better than a turbo flat four? You know what's worse than a turbo flat four? An EV. Like at the end of the day, yeah, it's not the flat six that it used to be. Oh, it's a turbo flat four. We thought the world was ending when they came out with a turbo flat four for this car 10 years ago. Well, now they're going to replace it with an EV.

Yeah, I know that. It's crazy and it's crazy that they're having this gap. There won't be an entry-level sports car. Porsche's strays further and further from like, what we know as Porsche, right? There's multiple lines of SUVs and, you know, this car was such an enthusiast hit. I generally do you think that tariffs are having an impact on those because they can't sell them. They won't be able to sell them once they import them.

There was a big article today about how Porsche was already in a little bit of a downturn, primarily because of sales in China. All those sales in the U.S. have been really strong. And now terrorists are turning that into a real crisis. What are you going to do? Well, yeah, no, what are you going to do is right? The tariff thing is a component, and obviously the car is old, like you said, it's still sad. It's sad from an enthusiast's perspective that a gas sports car is replaced by an EV-1. It's even sadder when a gas sports car is not replaced.

I do wonder what will happen to 718 values. They've gone down a fair amount, but they will fly now. And it'll also be interesting to see. They've kind of walked back the whole McCann was going to go away at the end of this year thing. They'll keep telling them a McConnell alongside. Clearly, they're not going to produce these. But it does make you wonder, like, are they going to try to find a way to produce something else? I doubt it.

They're not going to invest in a whole new platform or if they're stopping production. It's over. It's over. This is the end. So you're right. This is it. What you're seeing the end right here?

That spider R.S was the end and they never did do a stick. They never did give us what we wanted. Okay, give us our next news story, which is going to be amazing. Ooh, some sort of electric French car. Chinese car. This is a B. YD, which is a Chinese primarily V manufacturer at this point. Build your dream, if you will.

There's a couple of new stories here. One is that in April, BYD. outsold Tesla in Europe, there's two big news stories related to that. One is EV sales in Europe, up. Tesla sales in Europe, down 50% year-over-year. I want to really underscore that because I know what you're going to say, the other big news story is, but that is the big news story. European EV sales are rising, and Tesla sales are cratering in Europe.

Yeah. So, BYD for the first time, has outsold Tesla across Europe, notable because it's a Chinese manufacturer that's showing really consistently stronger sales and also Tesla has absolutely lost the European market some of that is product age right the model Y just had a refresh but it's kind of a mixed bag the Model 3 had a refresh a year ago but like not a ton of new products

especially smaller products with the European market especially as EVs gain more traction in southern Europe where people like slightly smaller cars Tesla does not have any entrance in the sub regular sedan space. And BYD does? Yeah. These things. What are these things? And others. They have cars across the entire lineup. So partially it's that. And partially it's that Elon Musk's role in the U.S.

government has really impacted his reputation across Europe. Yeah, but the fact that B.YD is so heavily subsidized by the Chinese government doesn't have the, the notoriously, automotively xenophobic Europeans getting a little worried. They're cool with that. They're like, yeah, bring up the Chinese. Hey, weird, strange bedfellows exist for sure. I do think a lot of it is also around price. Fundamentally, the way you expand the European EV market is you've kind of capped out in the richer Scandinavian countries where there's been a huge EV adoption over the last decade.

Where do you go? You go to Italy, Spain, France, wherever. And from somewhere I say, Eastern Europe, there's not the same money. You need lower price products. Tesla doesn't have that. Do you think, and I'm just going to throw this out there, but do you think there's a possibility that the names of the cars are also playing a role. The vehicle shown there is called the dolphin surf.

Okay. And then there's also a car called the sea lion. Okay. Actually, it's called the sea lion seven. I don't know if they were one through six. And then there's also a car called the dolphin. That's different from the surf. And then there's also a car called the seal.

Now, unlike in reality, where the seals and the sea lions look basically the same and only people who are intelligent can tell them apart. In BYD's lineup, the seal is a sedan and the sea lion is an NCAA. Do you think that this is playing a big role in BYD's European success? Yes. Undeniable. Thank you for asking that important question. The Tang and the auto and the Han also doing well.

I don't care about those cars. I only care about the sea lion, the seal, and the Dolphin 7. or wait, whatever it was. I mean, that was a big dolphin six. Regardless, big new story, sales are up, Tesla plummeting, BYD, Upstar Automaker that's entering the European market. Upstar is a positive way to frame that, entering the European market, starting to do better and better and better.

Yeah, that's a huge deal. The fact that Tesla's continuing to see this decline is a huge deal. And you know what I was realizing the other day? It used to be that if you criticized Tesla anywhere, you would get, like, mobbed with crazy people who hated you, that has really changed. A lot of the people who used to mob don't, aren't Tesla shells anymore.

And a lot of the people who mobbed were also obsessed with the stock price, which has been basically flat for like five years. And so a lot of those people have gotten out. And there is not the obsessive, like, cult of Tesla that there once was, interestingly. No. They're still out there, but it's not like it used to be. Okay. B.D.

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All right, here's the deal. Felipe, you know about this. I don't think you know about this, but I'm going to teach you. Do you think I don't know about EV News? Who do you think I am? The president and the Congress, that fellow, his name is Mike Johnson. Somehow they got like this guy that's like very generic. He, they're passing this bill that's going to have tax implications for the U.S.

I haven't really paid that much attention for it. But God, I hope my accountant has. But anyway, one of the implications is that one of the implications is that they're getting rid of the EV tax credit. Have you seen this? Well, Republicans have hated it forever. Yeah. Do you know that they're going to now have a tax on hybrid car owners like me? Will it actually impact Sequoias?

I thought of just plugins. It said it's like $100 for hybrids and $250 for EV. Sequoia, I got two hybrids, dude. I got a E-Class station wagon, too. I got a... It's a mild hybrid. Forty-oval battered doesn't count. That's what I would argue.

I hope that Mike Johnson distinguishes between mild hybrids like mine and libs and Priuses. I'm terrified. Anyway, if this gets rid of the EV tax credit, that's a huge deal. Yeah, I think we've collectively all known this is going to happen or likely to happen, right? There has been a little bit of a pull forward in EV sales, both tariff-related and because there was some sense that these were going to be removed. There is, if you're a car and through this potential hope because the interest you pay on your loan might be tax deductible.

Still getting worked out, but maybe it'll be tax-deductible, and that will surely offset any gain you would have gone. Evie adoption is going to be in a tough spot in the U.S. as a result. I will say. Right. I mean, I would assume that. You have to assume that these EVs are largely being propped up by the tax credit. A lot of them are advertised. Their price are advertised, including the tax credit, like, as if it was just a guarantee. Do the question will be, number one, do people even buy EVs after the, or lease them after the tax credit goes away? Yep. And number two, will America be significantly impacted. And of course, without a big compelling reason to force people to buy these electric cars, automakers stop making them, and then we get more news stories like B.YD

has gone ahead of an American company in foreign markets. Yep. A large part of EV adoption was the tax credit of just $7,500 for cars that met certain requirements during the Biden administration. They really tightened those to be just cars made in the U.S. and with battery equipment made in the U.S. And that did bring some manufacturing here, to be fair, although they were concerned at the time too. Notably, if you leased a car, that this is related to your income. There were phase out above certain income level did not apply if you leased the car. And so that may at least really appealing. It was also true for used EVs.

So certain used EVs were eligible for it up to $4,500 tax credit, which, if we're being honest, has very much propped up the sub-25,000 part of the used DV market, which is, pretty much every model S and model three and every other. And by the way, that is also in this bill, that is also going on. So yeah, I'll have a large impact on adoption. Now, when the Biden era policy shifted to only allowing the tax credit for cars that were made in the U.S., a bunch of manufacturers, Hyundai and Kiev, chief among them, applied really heavy incentives to keep selling those cars because they already committed

to some production numbers and needed to get that through. So maybe people will do that and continue sales, but you're certainly not going to invest and more. You're certainly not going to invest in bringing those manufacturing with those cars for the U.S. Right. That market's dead. And then so China eats our lunch and we see where this is going. We see where this is going. I know how, I know

this song. See how the story ends. I mean, I hate to say it, but like, and I'm not as an enthusiast, EVs aren't exactly my favorite thing, but you see where the world is headed and you see where China is headed with that new story we just did about BYD and you see what's going to happen when America doesn't incentivize people to buy electric cars.

100%. We're doing it to ourselves. Let's talk about the related story here. Okay, next news story. Flipz are related to that, GM announced this week that they're investing $888 in updating a factory that produces V8 engines right outside of Buffalo, New York, shout out to Buffalo, to produce their next generation V8. Shout out to Buffalo. Got family there.

He loves Hot Wings. I love what? Hotwings. He love Buffalo. Oh, sure. Can I ask a question? Do you think the $888 million? I've wondered.

Do you think that was coincidental? I see what you say. Or do you think it was meant to placate the Chinese? I've wondered about the coincidence, the V8, and also the connection in Chinese. I've legitimately thought about whether they have, they tried to make sure that it rounded to 888, like throw in a few extra mil in here. Regardless, we can move on from this, but basically, GM is still investing the next generation V8. And they're investing heavily in producing them because they expect it to be a large part of their infrastructure. It's not their only factor that produces V8.

There's others. The GM owns. Does this story happen without Trump and this, then these changes? No. So Trump, Kenon, Trump saved V8s. Well, all right. What do you mean? Well, all right.

Trump saved V8s. Filippa, are these truck engines? Yeah. That's the thing. I don't know that these are going to be V8s in sports. No, no, no, no, no. This is all for the Silberato, Tahoe, Sierra. We're just fine.

Those engines will find their way into builds that we'll do together with a couple of cold ones over a long weekend. A lot of cold ones. And maybe we'll be the next quarter of the other than I aren't together. We could have been doing a build over a long weekend with cold ones like we usually do. Yeah. Didn't want a shame. A more old day weekend, we could have done it, but alas. But remember, Kenan last year, remember how we put that coyote and that Lotus Europa?

Yeah, I do. Yeah, that thing, it really really sung. The Lotus America is what we called it. All right. Give us our next. Yeah, Europa's through Europa. Speaking of Europa. He's Europa. He is Europis. That's so true.

This is the new Stalantis CEO. They finally announced who the new CEO is. It is a gentleman named Antonio Filosa. He's from Naples. He was previously the head of Sothelantis or sub-brands of it in South America, CEO of Jeep. He's been there for a while. And I'll tell you what, in this picture, he looks thrilled.

Yeah, he looks thrilled. He looks really excited. So they announced that this morning. Their stock is down three and a half percent. Yep, that's all I need to know. They're promoting from within. The stock market doesn't like the fact that someone else from Stalantis is going to be a part of this. He was a part of the last batch of track.

Is this the guy that gave us the Jeep Renegade? That question should be asked every time someone from Stalantis is promoted. No, no, he gave us a Grand Wagonier. He's like him the Jeep Renegade. Only the Grand Wagoner. Is that better? No. No.

I'm partially joking. He became the CEO of Jeep in like 2023. But he was pretty instrumental and gross. Boeing Stalantis in South America and in developing markets, which was a huge, huge market for them now. Yeah. And time will tell. I will say the quotes that articles have pulled out from, like, dealer groups and whatnot

are not glowingly positive. Shocked at that. Do you think, well, but those, but dealer groups are just incredibly upset right now at Stalington's in general. So, I mean. And he's made clear that his focus is like relationship building and relationship building with suppliers with dealers, et cetera. You know, I worked in the business.

Yeah. And technically still do. Although right now I'm sitting in a room with an elephant behind me. You know how you build the best relationships is you make great products that dealers can easily sell? That's without putting an enormous amount of restrictions on them. That's like the primary way you build relationships in the industry. Like the Grand Waggonier plug-in hybrid that they're testing. Oh, my God.

Can you think of a car that doesn't have a market? at more than the grand... Did they learn nothing from the Chrysler-Aspen hybrid? No, I understand. They did not. They didn't make enough. Give us a good one. Come on.

Come on. Good. Something important. So this is the new BMW... Well, yes, this is the new BMW M2CS, and it's very exciting. 523 horsepower, 479 foot pounds of torque, and it's rear wheel drive, which is awesome. There will be no manual transmission with this car, unfortunately, which is... Really?

Not really a surprise. but it is they did make some pretty substantial weight savings whether it's 70 pounds less than the automatic equipped m2 and it's 44 pounds less than the manual equipped m2 which is not easy to trim it was already a relatively lightweight car a percent it's not a huge amount but it is it is still something the power the power number is huge ken it's 97 percent 97 pounds less than the standard the old m2 CS have like 400 and some horse it's a it's a huge leap in power. Yeah, 523 horsepower is a lot. I believe it's 70 more horsepower than the other car. Yeah, the old one had 444, so it's like 80 miles. And that's a significant food, especially for a little car. Right. And again, it underscores your point that, like, I understand that enthusiasts don't particularly love the current M2. But the fact that we have a 523 horsepower real world drive, BMW is like, cool. Like, that's really exciting. And I don't know, I really want to drive this car. And I'm sure it will be excellent to drive. The last M2 CS was.

Brilliant. I'm sure this will also be fantastic. And it's an exciting car from modern BMW. All hail. It's quite an exciting car. It's a shame that it's no stick, though, considering the thing. Yes, it is. And I'm sure every enthusiast like myself will bemoan that. But you know what? The fact that it's amazingly off for manual transmission in any of their cars at all at this stage. Okay, so it says it's going to cost $100,000 and go on sale before the end of the year. Yep. So we'll see it. I'm sure you'll have one on test sometime soon.

Are we into the spoiler? It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. But then again, the last M2CS was also very expensive and really held its value as like a special car. Because the market appreciates it. I agree that it's a lot of money, but it's 520 horsepower. That car is going to be fast. That's going to be zero to 16 in the threes.

That's going to be like a seriously quick car. Also, it's hard to find a European car that is like a real thriller for less than 100 grand new. I mean, that's just the truth. And I'm sure this one will be very tail-happy and probably a handful to drive. So I think it'll be an exciting car. In 40, in 20 years, people are going to be putting sticks into these. What? You think I'm wrong? Well, Ryan, at E3-9 Swartz, get on it.

Start me going to swap in these cars. You already do a stick in the regular one. People are going to do stick swaps. You think they won't? Felipe, me and Kennan, next Memorial Day, Kenon, let's get your garage ready. Get some jack stands. Get some jack stands.

We'll crank the tunes and get to work. Give us our next BMW-related news story. There are three right in a row here. The other one is the M-5. Okay, did you guys read this BS? I did. The BMW, some B, MW executive.

I don't pay attention to the executives. Filippo loves the executive. Announced, you didn't see this news story, Felipe? No. They're shocked by the demand of the M5 wagon here in the States. The wagon is outselling the sedan, and they're considering bringing the M3 wagon to the States, which means that they will. Now, color of be surprised.

Do you know that the Audi RS6 hasn't even offered a sedan? I looked it up in 13 years. 13 years since there was even an RS6 sedan. available. It's wagon only. Even in the rest of the world, it's wagon only. In the U.S.,

it's wagon only. Meanwhile, the AMG E-63, when was last time you saw a sedan of that? That wagon way outsells that sedan too. Did BMW do absolutely no market research before bringing this car to the United States? Of course the wagon was going to succeed. Obviously, the M3 wagon would have succeeded as well.

Completely stupid maneuver not bringing that car. It's just insane to me. They're surprised by this. I wasn't. You know, I think that the automakers sometimes are so default, their default position is so frequently to ignore the enthusiasts because enthusiasts say dumb stuff online, which they do. Yeah.

That sometimes they actually just ignore the enthusiasts too much and don't realize what's right in front of them. This is a bonehead obvious thing to everybody who's paying attention. Mercedes has been milking this for years and then Audi was like, why don't we do this? And now BMW is surprised after, the RS6's been out for five years, hasn't it? Is anybody else surprised? No. Insane. Yeah.

It is, I am happy that maybe this will finally force their hand into bringing the M3 touring to the United States in addition to the M5. I mean, that would be, I would be very curious how that car would sell. They're not going to do it to the next gen. Yeah, that's such a problem. They're not going to do it until the next gen and the next gen is going to be trash. That's the thing. They missed it by that much. When the next gem comes out, Doug.

We figured out that Americans actually like performance wagons. Mercedes's been doing it for 20 years. BMW figured out just at the end when they came out with a 9,000 pound one that plugs in. That's so perfect. It is notable. First of all, no other manufacturer has brought a three-series C-class A-4 RS4 wagon to the U.S. in a while. So it'll be just to see what that market is. Secondly, you are complaining.

Which has sold an A-4 wagon here for many, many years is the all-road. They haven't sold a sporty A-4. base one in a decade. I don't think anybody has ever sold a sporty. Yeah, the S4 Avant in like 2007. Was that the last one? Yeah. They do something here.

By the way, you're complaining preemptively about the new M3. When I think when it comes out, you will say, oh my God, I can't believe enthusiasts ever thought it wouldn't be good. No, I am complaining preemptively before they've announced anything. I have already begun the complaining. And suddenly we understand why BMW ignores enthusiasts. Here at this car pod, we're full. friends on and off camera. One of the best parts of our week, every week, is our group car dinner.

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at Villadeste, which was last weekend, they showed this, which is the BMW Speed Top. It's a V8-powered, swoopy-looking wagon. It looks very Aston-Martin-Zegado-y to me. Now, they have said that not only is as a concept, they're actually going to build it. They're going to produce 70 units of it.

It's going to use their most powerful V-8 that they currently offer, which is a twin turbo V8 they've been making forever. And I think it is tremendously beautiful. Yeah, but they're not actually going to call it the speed top, right? My understanding is that is, well, they'll probably change that, but that's the name for it right now, is the speed top. But, but I mean, they can't, I mean, that name is. I mean, it's not.

Yeah, well, Ferrari called one of their cars the Ferrari, the Ferrari, the Ferrari. So, like, you know, there are dumber names out there, I have to say. Yeah, but again, getting back to your point. So it's another wagon. So somebody there does like wagons and they are doing more of it. It's just, like you said, a little bit too late. And I don't think this is going to come to the United States. But it is, when was the last time you looked at a BMW and thought, wow, that's good looking?

It's been a while. No, I totally. I think the new five is really an attractive car. And you and you alone. I think it's fine. It's not offensive. I don't go, wow. Do you remember a couple of years?

ago when BMW always shows some cool concept car in Lake Como. Always. Do you remember a few years ago? Because they got this Villadesta Concourous. They got the Villadesque. And how did that happen? How did they wrestle it away from from storied Italian brands such as Piaggio? We don't know.

But, but you remember a couple of years ago they showed that Z4 hatchback thing? Oh, yeah. Yes, the BMW Z4. It was the concept touring coop. Looked at a. BMW concept touring coop, 23 was the year they did. I think it was just called the Z4 touring. But yes, this thing.

Very similar to what they're building. Damn, they should just build that. I think they did. Like, that is a new one just a little bit longer. Sam Tailorid design. That should be in current production. Those wheels look so cool. I mean, damn, that's a good looking part.

If that could be in production, they would sell nine of them, and then years later, they'd be worth a lot of money on cars and vids. Bring that to us so that we can profit from it, BMW, and you can lose. Please. Please. Pretty much. But nonetheless, I think that it's a very good looking car, and I was thrilled to see that at Villadesta.

Yeah, we can't, we're not going to call it the speed top, though. I just have to, I have to hope. Well, what can we say? Well, we'll put some, we'll bet some cookies on it, and what can I say if I'm wrong? I'll bet they call it something stupid like that. The wheels also look a little small. I need 23s.

It is cool. Clearly two different sizes, too. Like, that's a, so we'll, we'll see. Nonetheless, it's very exciting. That is the end of our news. That is the end of the news finally. Oh, my God, we have to move on because there's a lot to discuss in the talk cars segment. And most importantly, the talk cars segment is brought to us today by the Mercedes-Benz A-Class.

Oh, you didn't do a drawing for us today? The Mercedes-Benz-A-class, a car that has motivated Europe's grandmothers since 1997. The Mercedes-Benz A-class, head into your local used car lot in suburban Belgium today and buy you. your own with Russ. Okay. Philippo, what do you have to say? All right. So today on the Carson Bids channel, so a couple days ago, if you're listening to this on when this podcast comes out, we released a video where I did my first time driving on track. Yes. And alongside that, there's a mini Cooper S. John Cooper Works for sale on Cars and Bids. That is the car that I drove and almost hit a wall in. Yeah. I've been thinking a lot about my, we talked about this when this happened. We showed a little

teams of it. But I think a lot about my track experience because I rewatched the video, like the final edited video this morning. I want to do two big takeaways. Track driving, fun. What a little too aggressive for a rainy day. Learn some lessons. Yeah, thanks. Re-show that. And I want to do more track driving. Those are my big takeaways. And I do legitimately recommend that everybody does some. If you have a track near you, if you have any kind of local even if it's just go-karting, like, go out and do that because it's just fun, and it teaches you how to do, how to be a better car driver, a better controller of car, better...

It teaches the dynamics of a car. It does, and without a question. It is inexpensive hobby, for sure. You don't have fun. I enjoyed this greatly. I had fun. You only do things if they're efficient or have a purpose. But think about this, though.

track driving is all about efficiency and finding the tightest line and like not waste and not having fun not sliding it around just like fine just smooth control that's what he likes I do think that I'm too cheap

to get really into racing track days are expensive going deep in our world is a very costly endeavor that I'm just a little bit too cheap for like I couldn't spend that much on a hobby for myself but I think getting some of that in my life would be rewarding

yeah which would be saying I will also note this car is being auctioned with proceeds to benefit the American Brain Association, which is great work in kind of sharing stories of and promoting research around brain cancer, which the owner of this car's wife had and has thankfully recovered from. So great cause. We're also donating our buyer's fee to the American Brain Tumor Association. Go watch the video. Go watch me spin and then talk a lot about how that happened, what went wrong, et cetera,

while we're doing some of other lap. People doing that in the comments. Are they eviscerating you for your... No, no, no. I didn't hit a wall. I recovered from it and then talked a bunch with, with Wes, who was instructing me about kind of how to avoid that in the future. There was a great, it was a great camera angle that looks at the front wheel, and you can see right when Felipe makes the correction he needs to for it to not hit the wall. And, I mean, that's like you need to, you need to find your limits before, you know, and know where they are.

And you did. And I watched the video. I thought it was a great video, and I think you did a fantastic job driving on the track. Your first time also to drive on a wet track is. questionable. I didn't fully appreciate the situation I was getting myself into. But I did record for me. I think a lot of that is, I've been replying to a bunch of the comments on the video. I think a lot of that is just paying attention when people talk about track driving and also just driving cars a lot. And driving cars in snow, I think, because I grew up in Wisconsin, taught me a lot about like car dynamics in that way that applied even if a little bit instinctually. But I recommend it. When you were a little boy and you left Italy to go to Wisconsin, were you like, Damn, that's cold.

There were a couple of waypoints in New England first, but I did think a lot about how large vehicles were. My step that, when we first moved to the U.S., had an XJ Cherokee, which is now a small vehicle. But they sold those in Europe. Yeah, but nobody had them. They existed, but nobody in suburban Milan had anything larger than a Fiat Panda. Therefore, I'd never seen a car that large. It was never seen an SUV, never seen an American truck. Speaking of large vehicles, I have a talk cars segment for you, Felipe.

For me personally. I've gotten back into my Sequoia. I think it's cool now. I love it. I want different wheels. We can have that conversation on a later pod. I want to get maybe some black rhinos. But I was looking last night at alternatives, as I often am.

And I look at alternatives to make myself feel better about the decision I made. For sure. And you know what I discovered? Do you know what the fuel? range of a diesel suburban is. The fuel range, so how far it can travel between diesel suburban. I imagine, all right, let me math is out. I imagine, like, max fuel kind of like 25, large tank, because why not? You got a suburban.

Like, you got all the space in the third, behind a third row, and all the space underneath for a gas tank. Seven hundred miles? Yeah, 700. That's a lot of miles. That's a lot of miles. 30, 730 miles of range. Now, the Sequential. range is 250, which is light. That's wild. That's wild. 30 miles of range.

But listen to this. They offer a Tahoe Z-71 diesel. So you can get the off-the-tajo, the full-size SUV with the Z-71, the off-road, the lockers, all that stuff, and the diesel power train, but there's no supercruise. They don't offer super crews on that. Why? They keep as opposed to building that car and they didn't do it. Why?

But the other problem that I have with the diesel suburban in Tahoe is that they, you know that that diesel engine is a six cylinder, it turns out. They didn't make it that Doromax didn't make it like a big old burly thing like I would have wanted. And so my Sequoia's hybrid V6 has like a hundred pound feet more than the diesel, the diesel in the suburban. There's a diesel for efficiency and towing, not for speed. Yeah, well, towing torque. Torque is, torque is what's all about, man. That's what I'm, that's what I'm here for.

I'm here for the torque. Me and Kennan are torque guys. Oh, yeah. That's what, 80, 200 pounds. That's why Kenon got Emily a 335D. That's right. Torch monster, JB-42 on that thing. Pull stumps.

He's like, I know how those, I know how the diesel bros talk for the E-E-90 platform. Pull stumps in your E-90. Anyway, 720,000. miles of rage. Imagine that. So, you know, diesel Suburban's got like 15,000 miles on it. They've only filled up like 11 times. That's impressive. Truly impressive.

I mean, genuinely, like, the fuel sitting there for so long, does it start to go bad like in the time that you have it? That 700 mile range is only under optimal circumstances. Well, of course. But, I mean, suboptimal, it's still over 500. Absolutely. You can get in that car

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Canon, tell us what's wrong with the M5. Yeah, so there are, nothing major. The M5 has been... You know about this already? No. M5 has been incredibly reliable since its most recent service of the E339, which was just great. However, I looked over in the mirror

the other day. Of course it's a bit reliable. Well, yeah, but I mean, major service. That was a minor one. Like the last major one it had was, last something. How expensive was it had there been a full bill not covered by the fact that some of those work before? Well, had it been,

I mean, offense to rhyme, but had I been done right the first time. And it wasn't, it wasn't his fault. Like, then I don't know, it's kind of a moot point.

Like, it would have been already in fact, a minor. So zero is the correct. $3,500 is probably, um, $500, yeah.

Anyway, but yeah. Yeah. So I noticed, I looked over in the mirror there. Then one of the mirrors is starting to delaminate, which is weird. There are these bubbles that are starting to appear in the mirror.

I think there are about four. $400 aside for the glass, if there are any left in the world, which I think there might be. But I'm being really strict about the things that I do to the car, as I've talked about before. My friends recently got me all pitched in to have new windows to input on my car. It's my birthday present, which is very nice. I'm going to schedule that. And do a couple little cosmetic things to the car. I've decided to let the mirror go.

There's also a squeak that I notice is coming. It's like a rotational squeak, which I think is one of the heat shields or dust shields with a brace, but I'm not sure. just letting it go. I'm deciding to live with a couple of things. I'm proud of you. For the first time, my entire ownership with the car, I'm deciding to live with a couple of minor issues.

Proud of you. You know, this is not easy for me. I know it sounds stupid, but it's, I look over in the mirror and that's all I see, those old damn bubbles

that are starting to form. You know, some would argue. What? That those aren't problems? They'll just keep going. You've taken it this far. Are you really going to start letting it fall?

all the crap. Are you looking at the M5 right now? I'm trying to see the bubbles. I'm going to go through the bubbles. Yes, it's the passenger side mirror, top of the passenger side exterior mirror. Now, look, I am good. I will do it at some stage. I'm sure I will. I'm just waiting for it to get a little worse. Okay. All right. So you're going to fix it. Can I make a suggestion? Yes.

You don't need to find new glass. Like, there are cars out there. You could just take the glass from that are in junkyards because... All right. You think it's easy to find any 399 M5? in the junkyard, you're out of your mind. They're very hard to find. You can probably find an E39-528I, which is a 2000-1-4. No, what are you're... Different mirrors. The mirrors are completely different.

The M-5 mirrors are ovular. However... They're aerodynamically shaped. I put on the 528-I mirrors just to screw with people. Oh, my gosh. There's also no visible anything. Yes, it is absolutely there. Oh, I will send a picture that we can overlay and you will see it.

I will take a picture. I need to see this and decide for myself. By the way, I was one of those friends that shipped to... on the window tent. Kind of pricey. All right, let's move on. Thank you very much. I'm very excited for it to go to Kevin.

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Is that? I'm so proud of you. Pretty good. That was well done. It's like we're going to cut that and put that everywhere. We're going to just cut that little clip. That's all we needed for the last three years. All right.

Why don't you get AI to say it? Okay. I want to talk about a few things on the market report. And you all do too. There's a lot to cover the market report, which is not typical. But I want to talk GMC Topkick for a second. Here's something we can't cut into a short because nobody's ever heard of this car. Did you see this, Kenon?

Yep, I did. Did you see this. Topkick. Okay. I want to make a point here. We sold this GMC Topkick, 05 Topkick with only 20,000 miles. It's got a long life left. It's a low-stress diesel engine.

It's like a 38-liter diesel. And there's something like that. Yeah, there it is. And it sold for only $58,000. And I say only because it strikes me that people in the world, this world that we live in, go out. And they try to buy the biggest truck they can to flex and to be cool and to seem cool and to be like the big truck guy.

their world, and they spend often $100,000 on some $2,500, 3,500 GMC Sierra. For 58 grand, you could buy a topkick and you are beating out all of those people. Do you agree with me, Felipe? All of them. Unfortunately, you get mistaken for the dump truck guy that just bear to pick up the trash that they've left, that they've left in their garage. Yeah, that's not a level thing. In the communities, where the, where the bigness of truck is the,

the judgment of your worth. Being mistaken for the dump truck guy is not a bad thing. It's a positive. Pull up the interior. You show up to your friend's house and they just like open up the garage and say, yeah, you can take that and that and that and bring it to the dump for me. Look at the wood. Look at the wood.

Do you see the wood? That's nice. Look at the leather. Filippa. You see this leather? Modifications, by the way, both. Kenon, you telling me that you're not interested in a nice top kick? Go to photo number 47.

There's a bed. This thing's got a bed. Wow, that's so cool. That's pretty cool. I'm changing everything I said. And I also love the Sierra pickup bed from that that's on this is also a modification and looks a little odd to me. But somehow the lines actually work.

Wait, that's a modification. All those heavy duty, it's probably because it's sold as a strip chassis. I think that's how they do it. Yeah, probably. All the guys, like the Ford one and all them, they always have just a regular super duty bed because they don't know what else to do. True. It always looks weird.

But I, still, you're a winner. I want to be clear. I love this. I think it's legit. I don't know that I think $58 grand is like a deal. Catch you. What do you mean? A deal is a strong word.

Philippa, I'm into it. It spends $120,000 for their F350. You have that King Ranch. Well, they want that big screen in the middle. They want 30 cup holders. And this car only has like four. Okay. Well, 58 grand, then you take it to exhibit.

I like it. No, I'm. I'm kidding, but like you could just add stuff. I mean, like, there's a lot of hard play screens you can put in with the savings. And you go around and you are the coolest guy in the world. I can't believe Nick doesn't have one of these. Don't, don't tempt him. Crazy Nick should have one of these, except that it wouldn't fit on a street, probably.

I will say, it does look like it was designed in Microsoft paint. Why don't you have one of these? Yeah. Okay. Well, that's fascinating. You don't think that this is an interesting vehicle? I think it's fascinating. I'm glad it's sold no clue what the market is because,

every other one has been used by a dump truck service. You know what the market is for big flex, Flex, flex tough guy pickups, and this seems like a deal. It does. Okay, go back to other Top Kicks and go to the first one we optioned. No,

the first one was old. I know, but that looks so cool. No, that's too, that's not, that's cartoonish. In the communities where my Sequoia

and where the Top Kik is successful, like Vicksburg, Mississippi, sure. The old one isn't play. This plays. You understand? This is what I'll know. I think frequently about the fact that your video on the Ford F-650,

which is like Ford's equivalent of those, is I think to this day one of your highest best-performing videos, like just a sheer number of views. All of Vicksburg watched that video. Do you understand me? Not only all of Vicksburg, all of every person in the South watched that video. I don't know. At this point.

Philippo and Kenon, you both want to discuss the Porsche Traverse. so let's just get it out of the way. Yeah. 17.3 million views on that video, by the way. Look at this. So for those who are unaware, Porsche did make tractors in the 1950s. It was in addition to, you know,

what would later become their sports car manufacturing. Like Lamborghini, they also made tractors. Of course, Lamborghini happened to start there. This one we had on the site, this was a junior, a 108 junior, and sold for 18750. And I think it just underscores the level of quirkiness we are willing to go to it to sell on cars and bits

Because to be honest with you, and we started this thing, I did not think that we would have tractors on it at some stage. And aren't you glad we do? But I am. And there's also, I believe it's a Goodwood, their Goodwood revival every year. They race Porsche tractors.

They do a tractor sprint, which you would then be eligible with with this thing. Can I ask you a question? Sure. Would we run this if it wasn't a Porsche? Is the fact that it's a Porsche like this? Well, look, I'm not expecting to see John Deere's any time. I'll tell you, nothing runs like a deer.

But I'm not, if we had the Lamborghini tractors on at some point, I'd be here for that. Porsche tractors here for that. We draw the line of four tractors. They made too many. They did make a lot of four charters. Do they still make tractors?

They do. They do. Yes. Do they look like diardoes? No. Now, Whistland probably would make a tractor look like a garado. Here's an idea for you, Cody. Right.

He doesn't watch this. Cody doesn't have time for us. Cody is busy blowing things up. up. Yeah. So wait a way, we sold the Portraitractor. What did it sell for? 18750. And where do we, Filippo, give us an educated take on the market for the Porsche, whatever that was, track. You know, I think the Porsche, the fact that Enthusias are very into Porsche and remain very into Porsche and special old Porsches, uh, 356 is anything that's kind of like vintage Porsche is still really hot. That's reflected here in a literal tractor that was imported from Germany. unclear which side of Germany, selling for 1875.

It feels like the market correct amount, but a rising market. Can you, Filippo, that's really great analysis that I'm sure I have no bearing in reality. Kenan, can you pull up 2004 Porsche? Can you type 2004 Porsche into the search bar? I want to make a point here. That tractor sold for 1875. Oh, I know what you're going to say. Go down.

That cayenne, that first one, that cayenne, click on that first one. That cayenne sold for something less. What was it? 15-something. Yeah, 15301. That car has got a snorkel and orange wheels. Okay. Now, I'm going to be honest with it.

I know it's a six-cylinder, and I know it's a six-cylinder from the Volkswagen Golf. I understand all that. Nonetheless, if I'm interested in a car, and the Kyan buyer paid three grand less, and he doesn't have to get wet when he... But the tractor has a six-speed manual. Okay, tractor wins.

All right. Give us the next market report. Can we talk about the octa-de-field? Fender. Yeah, we got an octa on the site? We have an octa on the site, just octa. That's great. So people don't know that this exists because they vaguely know the Defender 110 V8 exists,

which is a defender with a V8. The Octa is like the M version of Land Rover. The Defender Octa is the only one they've ever made, like the first time they've done a high-performance one. But it has 626 square power. It's 108 more than the regular V8 defender. Wow. It has a very, like, sport performance-tuned air suspension system. And it's a wide body, and it's cool.

I love seeing automakers' kind of first attempt at making something, like, really enthusiast-focused. It's like the, it's like Land Rover's Raptor. They raptorified the defender. You know, you see that. Carbon fiber. You say that, but I always actually was a little disappointed that the actor wasn't more raptorized because they gave it a lot more power, but they didn't, like, like, it would have have been cool to see like real flared fenders and real like off road. It's wider.

Yeah, I know it's a little wider. And it looks like they finally figured out how to put a recovery hook in the front of the defender. God, my biggest complaint about that when I had mine. It looks so cool. The wheels work like stylistically works and 626th power is real power. The regular V8 defender like squats down and propels you forward.

This goes more. Did you drive the V8 defender when I had it? No. It was fast. It had real power. The Defender Octor's sticker is $170,000 United States dollars. By the way, they have not made many. They haven't sold many.

This is the first one I've seen, like, around. And I'm excited that's on cars and bits because we get to see the market. They're probably tariffed like crazy. I would imagine. I'm sure they weren't already here. They will be, yeah. This is, of course, also an addition one. I have no clue of the market is because how hard are they to get?

Nobody knows. Well, we will find out. Have you seen it? It'd be cool. No, except for this one, which is somewhere near us. It's in Diamond Bar. That is pretty cool. I want to talk to you about McCons.

Oh, man. This is my market report topic for the day. I want to talk to you about McCons. Can you pull up, can you type in Macon Turbo, Kenon? Mm-hmm. It hit me the other day that... Macon Turbo. Turbos are selling pretty regularly,

pretty regularly in the $18,000 to $25,000 range. Some have sold for 15 and then obviously newer ones sell for more, but $18,000 to $25,000 will buy you a decent, legitimately decent Macon Turbo. Okay. Now, I don't know how much you guys know about these cars, but this car is pretty serious. It's a dual clutch. It's all-wheel drive. It's 400 horsepower, twin turbo V6, not four-cylinder V6, and it's got 4,6. and it's got 406 pound feet of torque, a little more than 400.

These are pretty cool. Now, everybody in the world is into hot hatches. Like, Felipe's got his little hot hatch. Actually, he's got two of them. One of them is a convertible somehow. It's a hatchback and a convertible. I don't know how I figured all that out. But this is like, if you're a hot hatch guy,

why aren't you interested in one of these? I understand it's an SUV, but we're talking about a spread of inches here, and it steers and handles not that differently from a hatchback. It really doesn't. Two things to say. One, the 500 is not a hatch. It doesn't have a hatch up. It has a normal trunk.

Therefore, it is not a hatchback. It is a something else. It's a small, fast little car, city car. It's a lot of hatch. Number two, it's quick. That car, the way that turbo comes on, it's just old school turbo charging because all the one is very fun.

Hatchback. I think the thing that holds, that's a hatchback. Your A class was a hatch pack. That's correct. And so is a Ferrari 812, technically. But this car, I think the reason is These cars, and just everything Porsche is expensive to take care of.

All of the consumables on this car are really expensive. And these cars are not that reliable, as my understanding. They have some issues. And so, like, you're taking on more of a risk than, like, a GTI in this. Are you? I think you are. Against cars like the Gulf R and the Audi RS3, well, aren't those cars also difficult to own and expensive to own?

I mean, this is expensive as this. All wheel drive, this is practical. It's got 400 horse, twin turbo v6. This is a pretty exciting car. You call it the McCant. That's what you call it. You say that it's not for... You call it the McCant.

I think it's because it just has a reputation of being kind of a car that's driven by like suburban... The turbo doesn't, though. That's the thing. That's the thing. Like, the defender has that reputation, too, but the Octa is the 626 horsepower version. Like, all I'm saying is if I'm looking... And by the way, Kenon, a lot of my criticism of the con comes, it's a new car at 85,000. $20,000, $25,000, at 400 horse, all-wheel drive, and have you driven one?

They are fun. They are- They are fun. They are fast little cars. They actually drive not that different from hot hatches. And I know that's enthusiast, like, sacrilege to say that a crossover could possibly equivalent. But I bet you get on track with a golf R, and this is probably about as fast, if not a little quick.

I mean, I'm looking at a golf R that we sold last week. There was a 2015-98,000 miles. Sold for 15-7-50. There's a 2015-Macont turbo. with 10,000 more miles, so just over 100K, we just sold for 16.5. The Gulfar has 292 horsepower. The McCona has 108 more.

Yeah, and I know the McCond doesn't have a stick, and if you want a manual, I would go to the... Neither does that Gulfar. That golf are. That golf are automatic. Right, that's the thing. There's a lot of these hot hatches don't even have manual transmissions. And so it's like...

I agree with your point. The McCona's turbo is an appealing car given that it is a hot hatch, hatch just more powerful than any other hot hats. When I was on my Kyan thing, Doug told me specifically I can't get a Mekon. Well, he's wrong. We need that. Well, I do think that the, I do think that for a lot of, for a lot of reasons, the Kyan is, is

more appealing for a lot of people. Well, it also costs about the same, to be clear, for the generation kind I like. What are you looking for? I mean, your whole thing was he wanted a car that could drive over dips in the road. The Mekon, I think, I'm talking about the Mekon as a replacement for a hot hatch as a car. You could kind of throw around, but also adds. a little bit more practicality than a typical hot hatch because it has more ground clearance, all-wheel drive, and it's

fast. A cayenne loses the dual clutch and is bigger and taller, and it's more capable, but, you know, it's not going to be as sporty, but you already have that E39M5 with the bubbling passenger mirror. I mean, it's just, yeah, I

didn't want to say anything. I had noticed it. It genuinely just started like eight days ago. I would think that you're a little bit cooler if you show up in a Gulf R than if you show up in a Macon Trebo. I agree with that.

And that still does impact him. But at the same price point... It's compelling. Man, it's compelling. Neither is the pinnacle of reliability. Although both... I haven't heard that many bad things we want to conturb with it. I don't know.

I know someone who had a mumble lemon lod, but... I agree with you that the Gulf R is cooler from an enthusiast perspective, and I am not saying the McCann is cooler, for sure. That's not my point. I'm just saying it's something that Gulf R people ought to consider as an option. Now that they've depreciated to this level,

Macon Turbo legitimately drives like a Porsche. It truly does. It is surprisingly fast. It is fun. The dual clutch, it's quick. And by the way, the other cool secret about the macon is, because they never redesigned it, a 15 macon doesn't really look that different from the macon. They still sell the gas macon to this day. Your neighbors will never know you didn't spend $86,000 for a car.

For better or worse? That's what Felipe is trying to do. He's trying to impress his neighbors. He's bald on a budget. That is a little opposite of my life approach, period. But, okay, I'm looking at, because I'm still on the McCann and the Gulfard that I pulled up in front of me. The golf are the same amount within rounding, accounting, kind of for mileage. Golf R was 40K, new in 2015.

The McCombard turbo was 93.5. There you go. First of all, how, how? There's a downside, which is things will be more expensive. Well, change will be more expensive. Breaks. It all gets a little bit more costly. But you're also getting, what was in 2015, twice as much car for the same price point.

That becomes appealing. I'm with you. And a Porsche. You can tell people, I drive a Porsche. And they're like, ooh, which one? And then you got to. You got to turn the key your left hand. That's confusing.

Turn the key with your left hand, just like Jackie Ix did in 67. All right, let's go to questions. Questions are brought to you by, well, certainly not any mini-Coopers. Okay. Questions. First question. There are some good questions today. There are some good questions today, and there's some bad questions.

Felipe, do not look at the questions. He's cheating. The first question was the top-voted question, and it's from Indy-Can. And the question is, which modern supercar has the perfect DNA to be a shooting-break design success story? It's a good question. If you could turn any modern supercar into a shooty-shooty, what would you do? Any supercar? How are you defining a supercar?

Well, I mean... Any, like, expensive, like expensive, modern, cool situation. I think the... Well, I mean, I don't know, because immediately that makes me think, okay, it has to be front-engined. Got to be front-engined. So I think that it would have to be... Because otherwise. I think it would have...

The Renault R5 turbo did it. That's... Okay. All right, all right, Philippa. I don't know. I mean, the Ferrari do Di Chi Chi Shillinger seems like a good... I mean, that seems like a natural one to do that, too. Any of the Aston-Martins, I think, would look great.

And Zagato has done. on that in the past. Yep. Yeah, I agree with those. What about the Rolls-Royce Rafe? I think they did do one for... Oh, no, that's the one that... That's the one that what's his name has?

That Dario Frankeedy has. Yes. They didn't do it, but some company did it for him. Some company did it for him, yeah. I agree with those. Those are good. Aston's and the Dodici Chilindry, the Dodichie Chilandry.

I was wondering how it would get worse, but I knew it was. would. What about, you don't look cool as a hatch as a Shiron. Oh, well,

it'd be pretty hot back there. Take. Can't put any chocolate in the chunk of that thing. Remember when Portia announced that special witches thing and I wanted to make a Cayman hatchback? Or like a Cayman, like, wagon.

That would work. That would have been cool. The 296 engine placement aside, I think would look good. I think you could do it in some of these mid-engine cars. It would almost be like academic.

it wouldn't be purposeful. Right. But the Dodichi Chilindri is definitely the one. It would look like that Daytona that they did wagonized. Do you know the car I'm talking about? Yes. Well, I don't know if it was called. Because he doesn't know what the bread van is.

Kenner, you got to educate him. When we get off this call, you've got to educate the hell out of him. That looks so bad. That looks terrible. I've saw it in person at Amelia Island. I actually think it looked much better in person. But that curved glass is ridiculous. The 250 GTO bread.

Van Filippo is one of the most famous Feroris of all time. Pull it up, Kenon. I'm familiar, for the record. You are not familiar. Bissarini did this himself. Look at that. Of course I'm familiar. You think I wouldn't be familiar?

You don't know the friend. You think I wouldn't know? I'll teach you about it. Okay. Next question, this is a good one, from Big Ultima Hater 6. Given the recent success of RS3 and E-63 wagons, and the insanely high recent, value of the second generation Cadillac CTS wagon on the used market, why hasn't Cadillac made a

CT5V blackwing wagon? I will tell you my personal opinion, this is not going to be a joking answer, shocking. The AMG and RS6 wagons have been successful, however, they are also based upon standard cars, which in other markets are quite popular. My presumption is that Cadillac cannot justify the creation of a CT5 station wagon, unless there is a base model, which is one of the reasons why they did do a base model CTS non-V wagon back in 2010, and it wasn't successful. And so my presumption is that if you could make money making just a wagon body style for the V,

they would do it because it would be hot, but I bet that they can't justify that, whereas the Euros can because they have the A6 of Hont and they have the five series touring and that sort of thing. That's my guess. Yeah, that seems like a fair assessment, but man, that would be cool. You want to know what card look best as a shooting break? The CT5V Blackwing. No, the CT6V would actually look best, but that's okay. I'm a big wagon guy.

I hate big wagons. I'm a mid-sized wagon. Big wagons and I hate big wagons. I am a mid-sized wagon guy. It's also worth noting for people that might not be as aware. In Europe, which is obviously the home markets for BMW Audi Mercedes, their wagons are all. like base model E-class wagons, five-series wagons, A-6 wagons,

are all the A-6's E-classes five-series that they sell in Germany especially? Like, that is their bread and butter product. They're most important for their net-of-year-bair market. They sell sitting in E-class sedans. But yeah, they sell. It's probably a 50-50 splitter. It's 70-30. Yes, it's a huge portion.

They don't make those wagons for enthusiasts. If the standard model stopped selling, there would be no AMG wagon anymore. No shot. And so that's probably the answer to that, which is sad, because I think that would be incredibly, incredibly, incredibly cool. I think the market would agree. Okay, Philippo, I got one for you for the next question, and you're going to have to just live with it and roll with it, okay?

I'm ready. From Toyota Two Runner. Oh. That's the forerunner they have in Florida. From Toyota Two Runner, how would you rank the generations of the Mercedes S-Class? Do you know the S-class gens, Philippo? I'm pulling them up. One second.

Okay. How far back we're going? Back to the 126. Okay. Which is 79. W 140. W140 is first. And W-220 is last.

Fully agreed. Everything other than that I'm open to a conversation about. Kenan, do you have strong thoughts here? Does it Doug and I battle? Kenan, do you agree with me about the 140 and the 220? You know the ones. The one- I do know the ones. The second-old's a car in the 90s and the 220 was healthy.

Yeah, the 220 is definitely the worst. And the market agrees, as those are $4,000 cars now. I don't think they look bad, to be clear. I actually think the right trim, it's a great-looking automobile. The S-65 looked great. But other than that, you know, I was thinking about that. This should be a topic for us to discuss that a lot of the worst generations we rank often have one model that was actually the best of all of it.

Like the Diablo, We were ranking all the Lampos. The Diablo is, we put it kind of in the middle lower, but the SE 30 maybe is the best one of all, right? And I agree with you. The 220 S-65 is one of the very best S-classes of all time. It is absolute baller status in the coolest way. But the general vehicle was possible.

All right, here's my take. I've written down. Okay. Oh, I get it. A 65 has a more engine problem. I see. You wrote them down? I've wrote them down.

Here's my take. I agree W-140 best. Yeah, Bruno Sacco. Followed by, and I agreed W220-220 last. Yeah. Second, I'm putting the W-221. Yes! It was such an improvement.

It, like, recreated what the S-Class should be. I agree. And to me, when I think S-class, that is still what I think. Yeah. And honestly, it's that one, which has been modified with aftermarket wheels. It's in Florida. That's exactly that car. It's still a card that I think looks modern, still has honestly quite modern equipment.

That's great. I debated for a bunch of fourth. The 221, this is going to be the hottest take of the century, but the 221 is the best-looking S-class. The 140 is also very good-looking and had enormous benefits in its Teutonic production. But the 221, with its ridiculous fenders, was the only time they ever really took a risk, and they did it in a wonderful way, and it worked out. And I think that's a, that's a, it was a beautiful car then. I remember even it, even, even when it came out in 2007 thinking like, wow, this, this thing looks baller, but not excessive.

Like that's how they all are with that purple rear windshield tint. I remember that vividly. Yep. Okay. Pull up an S-600 in a color with the right wheels too, like an S-600 in Moka, espresso. That brown? Oh, that you bid on? I bid on a couple.

All those years ago. Yeah, it's been a while. In the color that my E-Claughts wagon actually is, which is, unfortunately. I can't search by color. I got the try. I'm going to go 223 third. Okay. I think that they've done a nice job with the current generation S-class.

It looks modern. It has everything without it being styled like a seven series, let's say. You said 223. Yeah, I think they've just done generally good job. When I see one, I think this is a good-looking modern luxury sedan. And they've done a good job of integrating luxury and tech. But don't you think that the 222 was, I mean. No, no, no, I put a 22ndnd to second class.

Oh, you're insane. You're out of your mind. That is a great car for Lita. It's a good car. The problem I have with the 223 is that the 222 already did it at all. No, I think that was too subtle of an evolution for me. I think that about the 222 or the 221. I don't think there's enough of a leap.

That's insane. You are nuts. That would be like saying cuddling with a stuffed animal is the same as getting punched in the face. I truly think that the leap from 221 to 222 was not. significant enough. That's true. You've never been in these cars. You're saying that's very clear to you've never been in the cars.

You're out of the discussion. It's now just me and Kenan. I'm on your side with this one. I violently disagree with me on that. So it's 140, 221. I think next I would actually put, and this is,

this is going to be, by the way, what we haven't addressed yet, the big sacrilege here is not putting the 126 in this list yet. Because there are people who are obsessed with the 126, including Hoovie. If Hoovie sees this, and I don't think he watches this pod,

thank God. But if he sees this, he's going to lose it on me for not putting the 126 like at the very top. I just never, the problem I had with the 126, I know it was built well.

I know it was, but it has two big problems. Number one, every version of it was slow. There was never a fast one. And number two, it's, it's, the tech was really not,

like, that was the era when luxury was like, by building a car well, you made a luxury car, it was not particularly advanced. And people are going to get on here and be like, it was the first car with electronics, stability, flectums in the headlight sensor. And that may be true. But, like, ultimately, there was different vents in the climate control for heat and cold.

And so, like, that's not really what I'm looking for in terms of quality of fuel. But then, can you just put it on the list and have it be last for you? No, the 220 is definitely last. but I think I think my list is as follows. 140, 212, 221, 222. Wow. 223, 127, 126, yep, 220.

Boom. Wow. I have the 126 higher because it was seminal. It was seven. And I had the 222 a little lower. Canaan, are you going to do these? Do you not believe in the S class? No, I agree with your analysis on it.

That's how I feel about them. The 26 was special, I mean, we didn't talk about the 116, but I'm okay with that. I might put the 221 above as the first. Because when I think Eskust, that's just what I think of. It was such a, it like redefined the luxury space for like what it could do, what a Mercedes could do. And that's saying a lot from Mercedes. It also saved them from that reputation of the 220, which was quite poor. Yeah.

And so I think it actually, but this Bruno Sac was Bruno Sac was Bruno. I'm changing my order. I think I put it. 126 third. The 220. 21. 21 first. I love that car.

The 221 was also an amazing ability of making a. car look baller like the new seven series without looking ugly like the new seven series it's it's actually kind of hard to do in that segment a phantom can do it because they have they can just make it big and do whatever they want they have all these design heritage cues they can use but mercedes bens has to be both restrained and baller and that is actually hard and the 126 and the 140 are too restrained fine with me like a restrained car but the 221 does an amazing job like you'd if you heard it talked about. You'd think it looks, it went too far, but it didn't. It was really a beautifully designed car. Baller, but not ugly, is a fine

balance. It's especially a fine line in the luxury sedan segment. When you're trying to appeal to both like athletes and people who want to show off, but also executives and people who don't want to show off. That's like a pretty tough group. Yep, agreed. That's a nice and it still looks good for the record. Those wheels. A six hundred with those wheels, if I I did have a six-harm with those wheels, I would probably be willing to sell Philippa to the devil. I bid on this car if memory serves. It's been for sale multiple times, and I'd bet on one of the times.

Because I wanted it. It would seem cheap at that moment. Maybe I didn't bid on this one. I know. I'm pretty confident you did. There you are. That was the time. It was near-ish to me.

By the way, I'm saying 140, 221, 121, 123 to 222. You disagree with the night. You're only putting the 126 so high to placate enthusiasts. That's not your actual belief. but fine. Okay. I'm staying, yeah, it is. I want to talk, and this is, I want to do three more questions,

and they're very, very good questions, and we have to do them, okay? That's why we have three, okay? Well, number one, from T. Barrett, not T. Barrett, but T. Barrett. Is there a floor on Julia Quads? You recently sold one for 28. Seems like a lot of car for the money. That's an interesting question. I didn't realize they were getting into that level.

Did you guys? Yeah, because I tried to convince our producer, Sean, to buy one for a while. Um, we sold one for 27, 250. Sold another one for 28. That's 52,000 miles. That looks like a pretty nice car. Yeah, another one for 28. I think that, I mean, I don't know, I think,

horsepower, right? I mean, yeah, but it's just it's unreliable and there's nowhere to service. The, M3, by the way, is at the same price point. Of 2050 M3 is literally at the same price point. I don't know. These have a lot more. Yeah. F80s are 27.

Aren't they? I don't think so. They should be. I don't. Price F80 is 26 250. Yeah, but this one just sold for 21, 46, 20. Manual ones. Go to an automatic.

Well, I mean, sure. But that's like a good color. This one's an automatic. Yeah, 46. Cheap F80s seem to be in that range. 34. That one that sold for 2026 250, it's like 30. 34.

We're in the same ballpark. Yeah, well, 34. 24. Pretty different to me, but fine. Right. I agree with talking about that one. But I do think. that there's a floor, but I think that floor is

20. I think a floor is lower. That's a cool car for 20. I mean, it's Italian, it's cool, it's cool, it's 500 horse, rear-wheel drive. I know they didn't do sticks, but that's a pretty cool car. Yep, but it'll break. I mean, I wanted one when they were new, and the issue was that, like, they just aren't reliable cars. Today is Reliability Day for Kennan. Well, it's a fact.

I know, but you don't like them a contrary, because you drive around an E3 and 5, which is not the pinnacle reliability. And now, and now, and now you're very concerned about reliability for every other sports car. It's interesting. Who did you become? No, no. Doug's gone for two weeks.

My car has been incredibly liable for the last seven and a half and eight thousand miles. Kenan, Kenan, Kenan. You want that go on the record on this podcast? You've spent like $80,000 over the seven years. Kenan. Over 10, over a decade and a hundred thousand miles. Kenan. Kenan.

Kenan. You know how much money? Dude, I got eight years in the Ford GT and I'm like $16,000 into it. Yeah, but you haven't driven it 100,000 miles. We've driven the wagon 50,000 miles and we're... Yeah, but that's not a performance car. But by the point is not, it's not the Pimmical Reliables. Get the goalpost, Felipe, we have to move them.

Tenet, that is not a reliable car. And also, by the way, the mirrors dealing... Well, it's expensive to... It is expensive to maintain, but it has never... It hasn't stranded me in a long... I mean, that's true. What do you find reliable? Reliable means you can rely upon it.

I can take that car... anywhere in the country. If you're willing to spend 80 grand on maintenance, you can take any car anywhere in the world. Yeah. Well, Julia, 80 grand of maintenance, you buy four of them. You're going to need to. I could take that pantera around the world.

The thing about that is, I could take, if ultimately I got transference or need to go to BMW dealer for service, it could. There aren't that many Alfa. No, that is a real problem. They're in San Diego. They're in that car. It's called K&S.

It's a Kearney Mesa. I thought they called. No, there is an alpha-Omeo deal. It's called K&S. They do Alpha Romeo. This is an insane. conversation. Do I feel bad for that dealer because they do alpha-o-o-mails? Yes, of course. Who doesn't? But they exist. The point is, I think that they would continue to go down about it.

They did make a ton of them. They are, they don't have a great reputation for reliability. I think, and I don't think they sound like good. I think they look awesome and I think they drive pretty well and they're cool, but they're just going to keep going down. You want to know something insane. Go to, Kenon, go to Google and type in K&S Alpha-R-O-Mayo. That's the dealer in San Diego. Go to Google and just type in K and S. Yeah. Yeah. Like ampersand.

Yeah. Yes. Alpha Romeo. Okay. Go to that. Go to K&S Alpha. Okay. Click on their website.

This is incredible. Click on their website. Look on their website. Look, the top car, the main car right there is a Mercedes C class. And a BMW, some kind of BMW. That's an N5. I will note that I look at, I keep an eye out for K&S plate frames around because like it's nice to see what they're selling.

Very, very, very. very, very few alpharet maos and a whole lot of use the other German cars. You've got to admit, that's wild. Dude, when I worked at Porsche, if a Porsche dealer had done that, the C-O would have flown to that dealer that day and murdered the general manager of the dealership right there on the spot for doing that. Yeah. Okay.

Okay, I got two more. This is a good question from Daddy Doug S-R-T-8. That's the high-performance version of Daddy-Dug. Do you think that brands like Toyota and Honda, the reliable brands, will lose some market share as EVs become more prevalent since their main selling point is now reliability. That's the interesting question that I had never considered.

Felipe, answer it for us. I think what Honda and Toyota have secretly done well and why Lexus sells any cars is that they deliver, they're generally reliable and they deliver a great experience when something, when they need to go to a dealer, something that Honda and Kia have done a poor job of, frankly. So I think the question will become less about reliability

because mechanical components won't have problems, but the tech will and like durability, remains a question. If you go into Camry interior, the leather is not delaminated like it is on that, Julia. So durability will remain a question, and can you deliver a good experience when you go to the dealer for something that does go wrong?

Honda and Toyota will still have a differentiation. Yeah, but the general feeling is those cars are reliable and they're more reliable and it's not really a different issue. But people don't know why. They can't point to, oh, wow, the engine is more reliable. They don't know what that means. It just, it's a more reliable car, it's a more durable car,

it lasts forever. It doesn't break. I think the primary thing, when people are thinking about reliability, I think the primary thing that they're thinking about is, does the car not break? Yeah. And a lot of the EV companies have had problems with especially tech, getting cars, like having weird tech issues, and Toyota and Honda are generally

a little more careful. Now, of course, Honda's only EV is built by Chevrolet. And so, we'll see. Well, my point, my, I don't know, I just think that it's an interesting situation. It's an interesting question. A lot of people look at that consumer reports and all that, and then they hear

stories from their friends about reliability, and the game might shift. If that's Toyota and Honda's like big thing, the game might shift. It's an interesting question. Over time, for sure. The last question that I want to ask, from 2003 Buick's century, this is a very good question. If you were the CEO of Nissan, what would be the first thing that you would do to try to save the company? Give up and go home. I mean, not wrong.

What would you do? Hot Hatch? Lincoln competitor? I had maybe considered divesting from Mitsubishi, but the hardest thing is that Nissan hasn't not done this. I mean, the rogue is probably their most updated and most competitive product, and that's the class in the U.S. you have to compete in. I would probably just keep going all in on,

can I get people into rogues and can deliver a decent experience? I think you also have, to ditch fleet sales in a large sense, which is hard because they make you revenue. You can sell cars, but I think you have to just kind of accept that that is hurting your brand reputation heavily, and you instead just need to find ways to sell cars to consumers.

Now... I think it's a little bit more complicated. Yeah, also because a lot of Nissan's trouble right now is because they put way too high of incentives on cars. In terms of fleet sales, I have a suspicion the reason that they sell some... I have a suspicion there are major contracts that are signed between suppliers,

manufacturers and the fleet companies where they can't. Sure. And there's also a lot of hurdles I have to jump through to become the CEO of a publicly traded company. So I think we're in a make-believe world here. Well, some of these, my point is some of these fleet sales aren't, you can't get out of them. You have to just go full steam ahead. I think the person wants a product decision from you.

Yeah, I would legitimately keep investing very heavily on quick rollout of, which is what they're doing, a quick rollout of core competency products, which in the U.S. right now is fuel-efficient and is mid-sized, small SUVs, mid-sized SUVs, and I think lower costs smaller, like small, small SUVs are where I would focus all my time. You know what the problem is? They already have three very competent SUVs in the three big segments, which is the rogue, the Pathfinder, and the Armada are all excellent, truly.

And the kicks, which isn't bad. Yeah. Sure. Jesus. But like, okay, so, but there's not a lot of interest in those vehicles because the brand, the brand reputation is so significantly terrible. Is there anything that can even be done? How did Mazda convince people that they don't suck?

Like, you know, like, what did they do to get people? Did they buy off journalists? I'll take a handout from Nissan if they're interested. I think that Mazda had the benefit of nobody. knew who they were, so it's easy to build from zero than it is to build from a deficit. They had a kind of an average reputation. Listen, my mom strode into the Mazda dealership in October of 2003 and purchased a new tribute. And at the time, Mazda was not the strongest brand, okay?

Zoom Zoom, Zoom, Zoom, and plus, Nissan already gave you your handout. They gave, don't forget, they gave you the Z sushi knife. Yeah. That's pretty good. And you know what? I am going to use it to slice Felipe's face off in exchange. for a W-221 S-600. So all it cost to you is 10 grand.

That's it? No, that sold for 24. That was a good one. That was a $1,000 car. That was a good one. That was a nice $2,21. That's what he wants. This is the end of our podcast.

Kenan, do you have any parting thoughts or beliefs? Well, I think Felipe should be the new CEO of Nissan. It sounds like he would really accelerate there. By the way, my answer that Nissan question is a completely different marketing strategy and adding a little bit more features per dollar to the cars. And my answer is close up and go home. Three different approaches. Go to the Honda.

Go to the Honda merger. Let Honda. Just do it. Just finish it. Our best podcast we've ever done. You are. Okay. Thank you, everyone.

This was a good podcast. I would say it's mine and Kenan's best podcast we've ever done. Thank you, everyone, for participating. Hard to argue that. Well, it was actually, it was Felipe's best. And John the Elephant did an okay job, too. Thank you all. and we'll see you next week and go watch that mini video it's a good video goodbye