THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Red Bull Hypercar? Most Affordable Fast Cars, and the Worst Driving Experiences!

Episode Date: July 19, 2024

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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. And today we have a special guest, Colleen Sheehan. Hello. Colleen runs NextGen classics, which is a car dealership specializing in cool cars. And she's a car expert, and she has come to join us on today's podcast to Phil and for Felipe, who is out of town. Hello, Colleen. Hello. Thanks for having me.

How are you doing today? Fantastic. Happy to be here. Are you ready to podcast with us? Absolutely. All right. We are going to begin with the news. Kenan, start us off. Okay, we have an Audi.

Apparently, the news story is the following. Audi is no longer going to have the A4. It's gone. Came out in 1996, just like Kenan did. 30 years ago. That's pretty close to being actively. You're there. And 30 years, and now it's gone, gone, gone.

Cannon has outlived the Audi A4. So anyway, they're going to rename it the A5, and they're going to make a sedan and a station wagon and all sorts of different stuff. Any thoughts on this topic? It is sad to lose the A4. I guess it's not really surprised. I do really wonder if it ends up being more impactful in terms of like sedans that we're going to lose because that segment is just not as popular as it once was,

and presumably that's the reason why they're killing it off. Apparently, Audi is going to, they're only killing it off because Audi is going to take the even numbers and use, them as electric cars and the odd numbers will be gasoline powered cars. And you know what? I agree with this idea because to me even numbers sound more futuristic. There is something too that. Five is like very solid and like you just think of like gasoline.

I guess that works. But it is wild because Audi had the best naming convention I think of them all for the longest time because BMW has really gone off the rails and so has Mercedes-Benz, but Audi had a nice thing now they're going to play with that. Let me ask you this and Colleen, feel free to chime in. When you think futuristic, what is more futuristic? Eight or three? Eight.

I mean, neither really ring futuristic to me, but I see why they're cutting out a bunch of cars because the push for EVs, you know, could definitely have a huge impact on all that in the future. And it makes me kind of sad. I like my gas cars. Well, I have a suspicion that it was kind of duplicative. They had an A5 and an A4. They actually had an A5 sedan before. It was called the Sportback, and then they had the A4. And so it made no real sense, and now it's gone, and they're going to do this instead. And that's what Audi is doing.

This is not a particularly interesting news story. The next news story, however, is interesting. This is a Cadillac escalate. This is a car that will run over your family if it's going too fast. And, Kenan, they're now going to do, go to the interior photo. They've updated the escalade for 25, and they've added even more. screens. Wow.

That's a lot of screen action there. Yeah, it is. I drove the previous escalade, which came out in like 20, 21, 22, and it already had a screen, I swear, that goes from the one side window to the other side window, the entire way across the dashboard. But now they've added a screen also in the center. There's even more screen in this thing, and this is our future. Now, to be clear, I'm...

You think that I am an anti-button person, or an anti-screen person. I'm a pro-button person. For certain functions, I think that buttons are very useful. But I generally think that screens for all the things that cars can do now make a whole lot of sense. I'll believe it or not, I'm actually on your side with this because I get it. But that's a lot of screen to look at. That is a lot of screen. And it's going to age badly.

Yep. But there's so much to control now. This is what I think people don't really understand. This car, this new escalade has so many things to control. Do you know there is a feature in the Cadillac Escalade where the, you know how in most cars the driver and passenger can set their own climate temperature? Yes. In the Cadillac Escalade, the driver and passenger can set their own stereo volume. I swear to God.

How does that work? It doesn't. It doesn't. But the point is there's so much to control. And whenever I say this, people are like, well, there's too many gadgets and cars. But the truth is, that seems to be what the consumers want. Are wanting and paying for. Yes.

I mean, to me, looking at this, this looks futuristic, but it's not appealing to me. I'm an analog person, so I do like my buttons. I like just, you know, even just the old clocks, an actual clock that ticks, you know. Like, I love that kind of stuff. So I look at this, and I'm just like, that is a lot. and I already get confused just trying to figure out the screen and the Tesla, and it's just one screen. Colleen, you and Kenan are stuck in an era that is...

Yes, her newest car is from 05, and my newest car is from 02. So it's like, yeah, we're kind of... We just need, like, our stereos to work. It's fine. You're allowed to do that if you want to, but you have to understand that the rest of the world has embraced the screen as the technology because there's so much to control. You know, I think about this a lot. Like in most cars now, you can control the temperature, the color of the ambient lighting.

Like, you want me to put that on a slider or something? Do you want there to be like sliders in the ceiling? You got to have screens for all these features. And the escalate has now given us even more. Now, everybody hates this. Car enthusiasts are going to comment on this and be like, Doug is wrong. But I think that they don't quite understand that, like,

the market seems to be accepting of these screens. It definitely is. I mean, you know, there's a vast majority of the market. that loves this kind of stuff. But to me, I don't need ambient lighting in my car. I need it to start and run and, you know. Admittedly, I don't think you and I are the customers for the new escalate necessarily. You're not in the Target Escalade demo, I think.

And that's, that's so thus, I don't think they care all that much what you say. Yeah, I think that's true. Okay, our next news story for the moment is that car, which is, that car, which is, some sort of Nissan. Canon and Colleen, do you have any idea what Nissan it is? No. No, absolutely not. Okay. Is it an Ultima? I be frank with you, I don't know either entirely.

But that's part of the thrust. It looks like an Ultima, but the picture is a little dark. That's part of the thrust to the news story. Nissan is bailing on sedans, even the Ultima. They're saying goodbye. They're going to try to push customers into the rogue and the rogue sport and other crossovers. the sedan is coming to an end.

Ken and Colleen. Well, I'm surprised at that. Don't they sell a lot of Ultima's? I thought it was a great seller for them. I'm kind of surprised to hear that they're just like killing. I have a suspicion that a lot of the sales are like fleet sales, which don't make a lot of money. That makes sense.

Yeah. You know, I mean, there's a lot of rental car ultimas out there and they saw a lot of them to, you know, at really steep discounts. And I think this is the end. I think you're literally witnessing the end of the sedan. It breaks my heart as a sedan lover. But, I mean, admittedly, not for these.

I mean, there are other sedans I really like. This is not one of them. But that is kind of, I mean, but I mean, Ford called this years ago when they killed off cars and focused on the un-Scebs. And they called it at the right time. I felt that it was crazy to kill off, like, the focus at the time. They only had the, like, the electric one, but they killed the RS and they killed the ST, which were selling great.

But it makes sense. They saw what, like, was coming, and it is clear that people, want SUVs. I don't know what that's like, although I know I get the utility but like, I don't know. Everything's just gotten so big and I'm going to miss, like, I'm going to miss sedans, I think. You could buy an escalade

with 44 inches of screen. Damn. Yeah, no, I'm good. But I guess it's sad, but what a shock. It's not really a surprise, I guess. It is a little bit of a surprise to me because, like you said, Nissan was like kind of the champion

of sedan. They were like still going with these. Like, Ultimas were everywhere. But even Nissan is realizing, like, the customer taste shift is towards crossovers. We're done. We're done. It's just going to be the accord in the Camry. And even then, those have dropped off so significantly. Yeah.

Well, one wonders if the day is coming for those. I have also often wondered if the day is coming for the five series. Like, when is the seven series going to get cut eventually? The seven series for sure. Seven series got to be coming. But I don't know. I've always been an SUV person. so, I mean...

Oh, so you're not sad about this? No. Not even a little. Not even a little. I like a good SUV for it daily. Pardon? I agree with that. Oh, yes.

I think that... I'm also not all that surprised that other people do, too. You sit up higher. People seem to like that. Of course, your favorite daily is your E-450 ultrain, which is in the back of the shot there, but, you know. That is true, but even that.

That's got more ground clearance than a... I don't know, not much actually. Honda Prilut. Yeah, thanks for torturing that metaphor. Those are my news stories, but Kenan, you have the best news story of all. Please give it to us. Yes, not a whole lot of news this week, but the one that I want to talk about is this. This is the Red Bull RB17.

This is their new hypercar. There are a couple of things that are wild about it to me. One is the weight. It weighs 1,984 pounds, which is ridiculous. It makes 1,000 horsepower from its 4.5 liter natural aspirated V10, and then it has hybrid assist that gives it another 200 horsepower, so 1,200 brake horsepower in total. Now, normally I don't really care about hypercars, to be totally honest with you.

I think they're just kind of superfluous, and they're only going to make 50 of these, so I guess it is. But Lanzante has said that they're going to make it road legal, which is... Wait, so you're telling me it's not road legal? That's correct. It was built for track use of. So Red Bull... It's a 401 manufacturer. And they make drinks as well, energy drinks, in case you own away.

They're going to make a hypercar that you can't... How many of these are they building? 50. They're building 50 of these cars called the RB17. Do we have a reason why it's called that in 2017? No. 17 cylinders, no. No.

Why is it called that? I don't really know the reason why they called that to be honest with you. So this car is not street legal, but then Lanzante has said that they're going to make it street legal. How are they going to do that? I don't know. They just said that they're going to, and they have a knack of doing this with cars that are... Yeah, but they took the McLaren P.1 GTR made street legal, but there was already a street legal version of that car.

Yeah, I don't fully understand. I suspect, I mean, at the very best in the U.S. it would be show or display, and that's just not going to... That's what my assumption would be. They do the show and display packages, which basically you leave the car as is, and then you get to drive it. I think it's like a thousand miles a year,

which people with these cars, you know, that's more than you're going to drive it anyway. So it's a license to take it to cars and coffee and whatever you want. Why is Red Bull manufacturing a car? They're in Formula One in some capacity? Yeah, in some capacity. In case you haven't figured it out

based on the championship wins and stuff that are behind them, yeah, in some capacity, they dabble in the sport. This is the first, like, road-ish-going car that they've ever made that wasn't an out-and-out dedicated competition race car. So that's what's the big deal about it. But the thing to me that's kind of surprising is that, you know, it's 2004.

Any engines are going away, allegedly. Yet here's one I've never heard of a Cosworth V-10 that's N-A. Yes, it has hybrid assist, but like it's yet another one. Like it's another one that was like a hybrid. It's a hybrid, yes, but the engine still is N-A. There's no turbocharger. Are you trying to make the argument that an electric car is naturally aspirated? No, I am not trying to make that argument.

He makes this argument and like feels that this is the case, and he knows it really riles me up. because it's not true. But wait a minute. You're kind of making that argument because it's got an NV-10, but then there's a hybrid component. There's an electric component,

and you're implying that if the whole thing is naturally aspirator, which means that even the electric component is naturally aspirator, isn't it? My point is... The restoration. This is just, yeah. My point is that, like, the engine itself,

the internal combustion engine is naturally aspirated. There are no turbochargers. It's not downsized. revs to 15,000 RPM. It's a very serious natural aspirated engine, and it's new, brand new. I thought that development on stuff like this was long gone, but the T50 has come,

this has come, there are a number of these cars that have come out, and it's just like, I'm kind of like, I'm not that excited about this car, to be honest with you. I think it's very cool, and I'm sure we'll see them at Monterey Car Week and all that stuff. But like, I just think it's wild that this comes into existence in 2024.

I think that's insane. Do you think, what do you think is more exciting? This or the Asperk Owl, if you were to. Oh, this no question. Now, the Asperk Owl, of course, an icon of our time. Are you aware of this guy? Polly, have you ever heard of the Asperk Owl? Neither of we.

Nobody has. There is a car called the Aspark Owl, which is apparently a Japanese electric hypercar. Which we have done more press for than anybody else. We don't think it exists. And the reason for that is because it doesn't exist. And so we make fun of it a lot. I don't believe this exists. Except for potentially this one, which might be a one half-scale size one that exists in a roundabout in Italy.

That's a fact. That looks like CGI. That looks like CGI. I don't know. Same color combo as that one, though. So one wonders? One wonders. But, yeah. We've latched on to the Aspark Owl.

We were clinging to it as this ridiculous thing that does not exist, but they continue to come up with these, like, stats about it. And it's just outrageous. Yeah, I have never seen. Word on the street is they're going to do an Aspark Warbler, but it's going to be like a, like a cheaper version, like an entry level. Warbler was a good choice there. I was going to wait for like the sparrow, but yeah. Thank you. Colleen, have you seen this Red Bull thing? Yeah, I saw, I sadly couldn't make it to Goodwood this year, but I saw all the videos about it. And I am just as confused as you why Red Bull would be making this.

but at the same time, there's some very interesting stuff. The weight, you know, that I mean, everything is carbon fiber. And it has some pretty cool engineering. I like the technology. It doesn't do anything for me, really. But I do like innovative technology. It is also impressive that the weight is so low considering that there is a hybrid component. Usually that really bumps things up.

Do we have any idea on pricing for this thing yet? Reportedly it's going to be $6.5 million, which is a lot for a car that's like only track usable right now. But I guess it's important. I mean, it is historically important that it's Red Bull's first attempts at a car like this. It's designed by Adrian Newey. It's got all the power figures. It's incredibly light. It's incredibly rare.

It's an inherently special car. Kenan, do you not view this as like the McLaren F1 of the modern day? A Formula One racing company is taking, making a road car. No. First, it's really not a road car if it's not road legal. Thank you. It's Red Bull. I mean, you know, Ferrari gets their prices because it's Ferrari. Everyone knows them for their cars.

Red Bull, to start off with a road car at $6.5 million when they've never made a road car. Yeah, but Colleen, they make race cars that win, according to Ken and I personally have no idea. But you see those cars behind it, they've won things. A couple times, I've heard. So isn't that something? No. It's not the same. It's not the same in that like the McLaren F1 then also went out and was very competitive.

Like, it was the fastest car in the world. It had all these other things that get with it. This is not that. And the McLaren F1 was a road car first. It was designed to be a road car. This is a track car. It's not the same. Not an equivalent.

That's only because there's all these boring, regulations. I mean, yeah. What are you going to do about it? If they sell 50 these at six and a half, they're going to make $325 million. And I bet it didn't cost them $325 million to make it. Cosworth was probably like, ooh, business. Cosworth is killing it.

Between T50 and this, they're like, just keep bringing those, keep making those N-A engines. I'm very curious to see if they sell all 50 because there's going to be some people who want it. But to the collectors out there, you know, to put this car in your showroom at $6.5 million for a car without the history and provenance behind it as a brand besides. But they're making races, Colleen. They're winning, right. This is like when Enzo went in one races back in the 50s. And then he made the TDF. Not the same.

Let me ask you this. Would you guys rather have this or an SP3 Daytona? SP3. SP3 dates, no question. Yes, same. All right, let's move on the next topic, which is talking about cars. This is where we all talk about car-related things that have happened in our lives recently. Colleen, we want to talk about your automotive situation.

But first, an interesting thing has happened to Kenan this week. Kenan, by the way, Colleen, do you should know the last two weeks, Kenan led this segment by talking about how he had to spend thousands of dollars on his M5. Kenan, take it away. Okay. Yes. It continues. So, I've rectified some issues with the M5 recently, which is great.

I have my climate control system back, which is lovely. I went up to see you and it died, and that was a miserable experience from that aspect. So the M5 has continued. There is an issue that is on the horizon that is going to be a problem for me. My friend Ryan, who restores these cars, has run into a number of clients recently complained that the cars in California do not pass smog. this is related to the secondary air issues these cars are known for. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the secondary air system and how it works,

it's this pump that takes heat when you turn the car on for the first time when it's cold started, pumps heat down out of the calorie converters, warms them up, gets the car to run more efficiently so it pollutes less on cold starts. It's all it does. It's a pump, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a pump that runs for a minute and 30 seconds. However, the car was designed to run on European gas, not on U.S. gas. And so there's more carbon because of the ethanol that's in our gas over here,

which results in the ports for that system getting clogged up. Then it throws a check engine light because the emission system isn't working. There are two solutions to this problem. One is to pull the heads off, clean them, port them, make the holes larger so that it can breathe more easily. This restores the functionality in the car's mind of the tolerances that it needs for this pump to function efficiently. The other... How much does that cost? To pull the heads off the car and basically doing a top end rebuild,

I've got to figure 10 grand probably, somewhere in that range, probably. That's one solution. Tell us the other solution, Kenan. The other solution, which is what I and many others have done, is to put a tune on the car that just ignores the secondary air system. It still functions as it's designed to, but it no longer reports to the car that there's an issue. And the state of California has cracked down on emissions testing. Now, the car has passed in the time that I've lived here twice, no issues whatsoever. It had a tune both times that it did that. And they said that they were updating their systems the last time it passed without any problems.

However, Ryan's running into clients who are having issues getting their cars to pass now. And mine is due in February. Let me ask you a question. Yeah, Doug, what? Are you, you're driving around with this car that's polluting and killing asthmatics, right? It's not doing no such thing. Tell me the difference between you and Volkswagen. Volkswagen had those defeat devices in,

to fool emissions programming, and they killed a lot of asthmatics, you are the same. Is that correct? No, I would not say that I am the same. I would say, no, it's not, it's not the same because the car isn't actively polluting anymore. The system is no longer operating in BMW's really tight tolerances for it from 20 years ago.

And so, like, you could pass a tailpipe test? Oh, absolutely. I think the car would pass. Now, my friends would argue differently because it really smells when I get on it, but I think you'd be surprised. I bet it would pass a tailpipe test quite easily. Yeah.

The yellow defender that I had, which was an atrocious car that had like a flowmaster, remember that? Of course. Not only did that pass because I have the readings, but it passed by like half the pollution level that the state allowed for a 1997 car. It's actually funny because people complain about California smog. It's actually pretty permissive except that they're very, they're very, careful about tunes and things like that. And it's funny because if they would just hook up the cars to tailpipe tests, they would probably pass smog, but that's not how they do it.

They do it based on they hook it up to the computer. And if the computer says that something is wrong, then they won't pass you. Right. I mean, there are a number of issues. I'm sure you've run into a smog, too. It's deeply annoying. Oh, yeah. And because most of the cars I deal with are 1980 or older.

So, you know, in California, at 75 and older is smog exempt. So that like couple cars in that five year gap, mostly I sell out of California. Sometimes I'll advertise cars and say it's not for sale here because it's too hard to pass smog. But yeah, smog's definitely not easy. Yeah, I mean, there's got to be a value difference between a car

for a car that was sold throughout the 70s of a pre-75 version and a post-75 version, right? Like there must be much more demand for cars that are pre-smog. Yes. And a lot of cars, so, like, I have a Dino right now, and it's a 72. It has smog equipment and, you know, charcoal canister and air rail and very simple smog stuff, but it's smog exempt. So back in the day, people would take the smog stuff out and toss it because there weren't

the regulations, so they didn't need it, and it just reduced power. So nowadays, the smog parts are very valuable because most of them have trash. And so, like, with this car, the smog equipment is in the car, just not hooked up. So it still could get a Class K certification and, like, you know, all the pinot of having it. Bino was sold through, was it 74? Did it go further than that? Yeah, 74. And then they went to the 308 Dinos.

Got it. So there's no Dino that needs to be smocked, like by California. Yeah. Got it. Yeah, the smog thing makes our lives a little bit more challenging in California. Yes. I'm generally a proponent of it, to be clear. Like, I think that a lot of good has been done, especially with how Los Angeles used to be many decades ago.

I agree with you. You made this point to me the other day. I totally agree with that. But this is an incredible frustration for people. It's just like, I don't know what I'm going to do. I truly don't know what to do. Colleen, what is the primary thing that your customers do? Is it Montana?

Is it registered to a. second home, is it, what do people, dealer plates? What do people do? All three of those are kind of what people go by. So people with very large collections will do the dealer plates because then you can take something like the RB17s, stick a dealer plate on it and drive it. Or, I mean. That's clearly the intent of the dealer plate. So that's fine. That's all good. Is that break lights? Yeah, but Montana's a huge thing.

pleads. Is Montana still a thing people are doing? Yeah, but California's cracking down on it a lot. And the crazy thing is I don't think that California cares so much about the smog as they do the tax. That's the thing that annoys me the most because I, for the first time in 10 years, 11 years in my life, I do not have any Montana cars or Montana LLCs. I'm divested from Montana completely right now. But that annoys me a lot because there have been many cars that I've owned where I'd be happy to pay the taxes. but they won't even let me do that because it won't pass smog. And I want to tell them, hey, look, I'm driving this thing 900 miles a year. It's not like I'm out.

It's not like I mean, go to LAX or John Wayne or our airport. You know, in 45 minutes they pollute more than all of us driving an entire year in all of our cars. Yep. And that really annoys the hell out of me. When I lived in Pennsylvania, there was an exemption for if you did less than 2,000 miles a year, you were smog exempt. And that was a pretty neat, neat idea. But so people are doing Montana, you're hearing that they're cracking down on Montana? Yes.

So if you have, you know, a specialty car and you have a Montana plate, the cops have been a little strict on it, which really sucks because a lot of people just want to drive these cars. And the smog laws at one point were actually supposed to kind of carry on. where it, you know, it would like go with time. So 75 it was supposed to like now at this point. It was going to roll as the year. Yeah, I think it was supposed to be like a 20 or 25 year thing for cars, you know, 20 to 25 years old.

And so at this point, it would be like a smog exempt after 1999, you know, and, but they never did that. Which is how most other states are. And, you know, I would even take 30 years, 35 years, you know, like 25 years. There's a lot of 90s cars on the road that aren't classics that probably don't deserve to be smoke exempt. Like people drive around with Camry's with rusted exhausts or whatever. But like even if it was, you know, I can't, I can't register at Kuntash in California. And I think that's real stupid because I'm barely driving the car, you know. It's, it amounts, all these specialty enthusiast cars amount to this much of the actual air pollution.

But it ends up being a huge headache for the people who own them. Yeah. And you, it's annoying. And now it's going to annoy Kenan. Yeah, I don't know what I'm going to do. I mean, technically the right way to do it is to do the whole head thing, but I don't want to do that. So I don't know.

So this is the third week in a row that Kenan is telling us he has to spend thousands of dollars on his M5. Yeah. What Kenan is going to do is he's going to register in South Dakota like all sketchy people do. I mean, you're the one who had a Montana LLC with your cross registered until like three days ago. No, no. It was different Montana LLCs. I was playing a shell game. I was playing a shell game.

You're a truly ridiculous human being. Okay, Colleen, tell us about your current car situation. The last time I talked to you, you had a Delta Integrale that had blown up. Yes, it is still blown up. So, yeah, the, so, interesting. So I bought the launcher, and the car arrived while I was out of town. So my friend took delivery. I told him to drive it like he stole it.

Let me know how it goes. He said it's awesome. He loves it. And then he picked me up from the airport and he goes, so your Delta, it was driving so well and it was so much fun. And I'm like, you're using the word was. And he's like, well, it's doing this thing where basically if you go past 4,000 RPM, it would hit, it would feel like a rev limiter.

It was like violently kind of stopped. And so, well, that's not great. Send it to the mechanic. It's a fuel injection issue. And so he fixed that. And it was good. And so he's sitting there testing the car, letting it idle, and my cam belt snapped, you know. Wait, you never got to even drive this car.

Well, I mean, I did. I actually, I drove it all the way up to, where is it, like, thousand oaks for a car show. And I just had to keep it under 4,000. So you drove it, your only experience was taking it on the 405 for several hours under 4,000 RPM the whole time. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I drove it around. The reason I finally sent it to him was it just, I left the house one day, and it told me we're done here and just shut off on me. Luckily, it was like a block from my house, and so I had to push it home. But, you know, that's car life.

So, yeah, I've never really gotten to experience my little Delta. The cam belt snapped. This is an interference engine, and now the whole, everything's bent. What are you going to do? Rebuild it. You're going to rebuild it with that motor. You're not just going to throw in an LS and call it a day like Kennan would do? That would be blasphemy.

Yes. I would not do that, to be clear. No, I would throw in an LS with a couple of cold ones over a weekend. Yeah, that's another trope that he likes to yours. See, the mine is a 8 valve, and I've thought about getting a 16 valve, but then there's a lot that you have to change. And I would like my car back sooner than later. So I think I'm just going to- Is it being worked on right now?

Yeah. Oh, so there's progress going on. What is all this going to cost? What is a rebuild of a destroyed delta motor going to cost? I have no idea. Oh, good. scared to ask. The mechanics actually down here in this area, so I'm going to stop by there after I leave here and check on my little car, Guido. So you're pulling the Ken and Rolson School of Thought in terms of vehicle maintenance and repairs, which is fix it regardless of cost.

Pretty much, yeah. I fall in love with my cars, and so they are part of the family, and I do whatever I can to keep them on the road. What else are you driving? So my daily is an 05 Chevy Tahoe that has seen some stuff. She is beat up, but I have three dogs that I take everywhere, and so she's perfect for throwing them in the back of the Tahoe and heading out. I have a 1950 Willys pickup truck that I actually just got the water pump in, because I have to change the water pump, so that's going to be my little project for this weekend.

Nice. And I have a bunch of other car. Every single car of mine needs work. Every single one. I don't think that there are any of us who aren't really in that situation. I think all of us have at least one thing that needs to be done in all of our vehicles. For instance, Kenan said that he was going to fix the trunk latch of my Kuntash with you. And it seems like it hasn't.

really happened yet. I'm surprised. It works and it is closed. Thank you very much. It's closed right now. It's currently closed? Yeah. When I started it the other week, I then my opening closed, no problem. It's fine. It's fine. Yeah. I will clean it a little bit more thoroughly and it will make it perfect, but it's fine for now. Colleen, are you going to do the water pump yourself on the Willis? Oh yeah. I've done everything on that car myself so far. The only thing I didn't do was the gauges. Because I got the car not running. I didn't even have a key. I didn't even know if the engine turned over. So, you know, I started out by ripping out the wiring harness and because the old one, it was full of like wire nuts for like house wiring and just, it was terrible. So I started with the wiring harness and kind of just went from there. So now it needs the water pump and then I can drive it. I have the suspension I still have to do. But I tend to procrastinate. And so I should do that before something.

and goes wrong with suspension too. What do you do with this thing? You driving around? Yeah, it's, so I name all my personal cars. So the truck, his name is Bootstrap, and he's got like the great patina, just that like, you know, Army green faded and like all that. And he's so slow and, you know, he's got the granny gear. And it's just, it's so much fun. I love that truck.

When do you drive? Like on a Sunday, quiet Sunday morning, nobody's around. Like, you can't drive that thing around in traffic, I assume. No, I mean, I usually just, it's kind of like whenever I feel like it. Like if I wake up early for the gym and have extra time, I'm like, maybe I could take my truck today. Or, you know, so like that is just whenever the feeling hits. Right.

Are there any other vehicles? You got the Delta, you got that, and the Tahoe. And then I have three BMWs. So I have my 1959 IZeta, and that one, the carburetor needs a rebuild. And, yeah, but I mean, that one's pretty solid. That only needs a little bit of work. I need a new battery, too. So I got that one.

That one's fun because when I first got it, get in the car and sit down, close the funny little door, and then all of a sudden there's smoke. in the car. I'm like, oh, what's going on? And I realized the battery is under the seat and the, whatever you call it, the wire from the seat, the springs, that's the word, we're touching the terminals. And so the whole thing's, and it's so little, it's like filling with smoke real quick. So I just put a piece of wood over the battery. And so now there's just that wood in between the battery and the seat, and it's fine. That's not a common problem that the, seat spring and the battery make contact.

Usually, usually you're not facing that in most passenger vehicles. Yeah, I have some unique problems with my cars. So you have this sort of motley crew of bizarre vehicles. Are you selling anything interesting at the moment at the dealership? Yeah, I got a bunch of fun cars. So I am about to advertise a 1967 Ferrari 330 P4 replica.

I drove out to Utah and actually drove it at the UMC, UMT, UMC racetrack and did a video on it. And so that car is so much fun because, you know, the historical significance of the P4 is just awesome. It's, you know, Ferrari's comeback after Ford beat them in 66. And then so that, that is fun. And then I also am selling a 1966 Lola T70 that I filmed out in Utah. Wow.

Got a 72 Pantera, Adino, a 328, 512 BBI, a bunch of fun cars. Wow. That's fantastic. What motor is in this P4? So it's a 400-I motor. Oh, no way. Yeah. Wow.

You know, our producer, Sean, who's sitting somewhere behind you, had a 400 i with a Chevy v8 swap. So perhaps it was that particular 400 eye, lost its V12, went into a P4. Very possibly. Well, actually, one of the fun things I love to do, I love the histories on cars. I think the story behind them is so fascinating.

And so with this P4, I was curious where the engine came from. And so I found a guy who was obsessed with 400 eyes or 400s, and he actually tracks them because I had the engine number, but not the serial number for that car. So I gave him that engine number. And he was like, oh, yeah, this was a automatic 400-I right-hand drive that was in England, that was in an accident and dismantled in 2000. You're kidding.

How bizarre. Well, it's got a much better life now in a P-4. Yeah, absolutely. That's a pretty good setup. Oh, and it's been converted to carburetled. too. Oh, no way. Which is... The I component of the 400I is gone. I know. Which is weird, too, because the P-4s were injected.

Oh, really? Is that right? Yeah, so the factory cars were the P-4s, and they were injected, and then the privateer cars were the 412P, and they were carbureated. And so technically, as a P-4, it should be injected, not carbureated, but... But it's... Yeah, right, right. It has a Ferrari V-12 in it. That's like the most important thing.

Yeah. How interesting. On that subject, we should move on to our next topic, which is the Market Report. Market Report where we talk about the car market. This segment is brought to you by Cars and Bids, which is our automotive online auction website. Kenan, what should we say about cars and bids? Selling is free. What else is Felipe tell us to say?

Selling is free. We sell a lot of cars, cars and bids. There are cars and there are bids. And on the subject of the market, Colleen, you wanted to talk Dino's. Let's talk Dinos. This is one of the most beautiful Ferrari non-Farararis ever manufactured. How does the Dino market do? So the market overall has been quite interesting to watch in the last few years.

And things have softened recently. So Dinos are one of those cars, like you said, you know, it's the Ferrari not Ferrari because they were never badged as Ferraris. It was for his first. six-cylinder mid-engine. And so when, for the longest time, they were cheap. I mean, they were the least expensive, the baby Ferraris. And back, you know, I started with my career like 12 years ago.

And even nice Dinos were still in like the 200-something range. Yep. And then a few years ago, probably like in the last three or four years, they spiked dramatically. And so the prices have gone nuts, but the market can only absorb so much. And so when prices get so big, the buyer pool gets way smaller. And so I have seen a slight softening or at least leveling of the deano market, but there was a sale recently. So the average sales price of like a Dino coop has been 400,000 for the last year. But there was a sale recently. But there was one that just broke the records like a few days ago that sold for $650,000.

Are the coupes more valuable than the GTS? No, they made slightly less GTS. So those have been a little bit stronger on price. But basically, you know, but not much. It's not a huge difference. But there's still, you know, kind of bottom of the Dino price. Right, right, right. And so this one that sold, you know, the owners of other Dino's, they're like, well, that makes my Dino more expensive, right?

Right, right. As is the usual. Everybody thinks that when the very nicest example of something sells, then suddenly Vericar is the very nicest example or should be valued based upon that. I will say it has been interesting watching the Dino market and watching Dinos creep closer and closer to Daytona's. You know, for so many years the Dino was, like you said, like the baby. Ferrari, the not real Ferrari, whatever. And this really goes with something that I deeply believe, which is that, like, speed is not the deciding factor.

It becomes experience. And the Dino is beautiful. And both the Dino and Daytona are slow by modern standards, but, like, they're both, like, this incredible experience that you can't get in a new car. And so they're desirable. I mean, look at that picture. Look at that chairs and Flares car.

You know, he doesn't know the difference between a normal one and a chairs and Flares car. But I don't think the, I don't think the Flaher's car. He doesn't think the flares are flaring enough. It's like they're very obvious to people who know what they're looking for. Oh yeah, they stick out. Like as soon as you see it, you're like, chairs and players. We had a non-flarees card.

She and I had one of the more, that's a non-flarets card. He had one of the more epic arguments like in public about this when one went by like that. No, it's flat. Look how it comes down like this. The flares on chairs and flares go like almost out, like completely. Go back to the other one. Go back to the other one! Look, look how it comes out.

Look how it comes out here. You see this? Talking about a quarter inch of flare. You know, when I think of Flares, I think of the E30M3 with those box fenders. These aren't stick out into the next lane. Well, okay, this is a much more subtle pretty car, you oaf. I don't do subtle. That's true.

You have a Cunuch. That's fair enough. Those are the most expensive. They made about 150 of the chairs and Flares cars. So those have gone crazy. Every Dino looks the same. And they all look beautiful, and it's fantastic. By the way, the chairs that are being referred to is an even stupider thing.

It's chairs of Daytona seats, right? Yep. Yes, that's correct. This is just seat inserts. It's just the little stripeys in the seat, which is. Stripeys in the seat and a quarter inch of wheel arch makes the car worth zillions more. And Kenan's over here like, yeah, you only want chairs and flares, do you know? No, it's that you don't know the difference.

That's what's interesting. Well, Ian, I'm going to tell you one of the great stories this ever happened. me, it's about Joe Sacki. Do you know Joe personally? Okay, Joe's, he's an interesting guy. And so when I was looking for my kuntash, I called Joe. And, you know, I hang out with like Canon, you know, like me and canon are buds, right? Like my buddy, Felipe, who's got a 500 of Barth.

And Joe Sacki said, I will never forget as long as I live. Joe Sacki said to me, he said, Doug, what you really want is a kuntash downdraft. Because when you talk to people, when you're with your friends, and you say you have a down draft kuntash, then they will be truly impressed. And I wanted to be like, Joe, my friends would be impressed if I told them that I had like a Honda prelude with four-wheel steering.

I do not need a downdraft kuntash to a brother. That has no bearing at all on anything. And to me, the chairs and flares thing is an exact situation like that. You show up at certain events and people like, ooh, you have chairs and flares. But otherwise it's like, wow, you have a dino. And that's all that really mess. No, I agree. I completely agree. And speaking of how you mentioned, the prices are going towards

Daytona levels. One of the reasons I think that's happened is because Dino's, they're pretty light and nimble and a lot easier to drive. Daytonas are one of my favorite cars, but they are heavy, and they didn't all come with power steering. And so back at my showroom, whenever I've had to maneuver a Daytona around, it is a workout. I mean, it is rough. And so a lot of people just find them tough to drive. And, you know, with the new era of cars and 40-whatever-inch screens and buttons for everything you could ever need, people don't want to have to wrestle their car into place. So I think that's kind of affected the market as well. I'm also, frankly, a little bit surprise that Daytona values have never

gone stronger despite that. It's a very rare car. It's very special cards. V125 GtBs are worth millions and millions of dollars and Daytonans have never really quite shot into that territory. True. I mean, they made about 1,300 Daytona's. Now, the Daytona spiders

have gone up the price. Daytona spiders are big money. Daytona spiders are big money. But like, they made 1,300 F40s and you can't buy one of those for less than two and a half these days. That's true. That's very true. Daytona seems undervalued. It's such a special car, and it's got such a history behind it, you know?

Kenan thinks of himself, Daytona. Yeah, that's one of my dreams. Oh, God, I love a Daytona. But it, I also, I do wonder, like, to your point, Doug, it's like, if that car was going to have its time in the sun, like, shouldn't it have really started to take? I mean, the spider's notwithstanding. It's like, I feel like, and I just feel like it should be worth a lot more than it is.

In Colleen's profession, the general feeling is that a car reaches its pinnacle at 50 years. It's like value pinnacle at 50 years of age. And the Daytona's past that point. So will it continue to go up? I don't know. Probably not. The market has spoken on the Daytona. I don't know.

This is all we're going to get. I think the reputation of its difficult, it's heavy controls. I think it probably is what does it. But I don't know. But it's so cool. It's so cool. I love it. You know, and it isn't that hard to add power steering?

I know a lot of people are like, nope, you know, purists cannot mess with the car. But come on, if you want to drive it, if you want a stunning car, front engine, V12, then power steering, and then you got everything. You want, you know. So. On the market report topic, Kenan, you have brought us a BMW story from Cars and Bids last week. Please tell us. Now, I used to make fun of the E30M3 for being a lot of money to go slow. But values had...

Now it's the 356. Now it's the 356. But values had come down pretty substantially, but we had a result this last week that was strong. Now, this car had 41,000 miles on it. It was red, which is the correct color for an E30M3. And it sold... But it had modifications is the thing. It had a pretty decent list of modifications, like, stuff like...

to the suspension and all this other stuff. But it brought $110,000, which feels strong for this particular car. I'm very happy for the owner that there was a dealer that listed it with us. But nonetheless, I thought E30s had had their time in the sun, like the Daytona deserves to. And they had come down a bit in value. But this one kind of surprised me, to be totally honest with it. I've been watching E30M3 values pretty carefully because I've always wanted one. And I saw them shoot up.

And I was like, oh, God, now they're so expensive. And then when they fell, I was like, oh, I don't want this anymore. And so this one was a surprise to me, too. It got real big money for a, it's a good one. It's, like you said, red's the color, low miles. And it's been kept well. And it's like retains the stock look, which is, I think, pretty important for these cars. Yeah, it's very important.

It did well. It did well. There's still a market out there for these things. Even though the car market has softened a little, one of the things that I've really noticed is that, like, nice examples of stuff are still bringing money. There are still people out there. willing to pay up for the right car.

In 20 and 21, there were people out there willing to pay up for any car. And now, but now that's changed, but like, the right car is still getting the money. By the way, go to E30M3. There is one we have on the site right now that is like

the best drive. Look at that one. Oh, yeah, this one is a driver. Look at that paint. Oh, just like, for those who can't see, I can't see the paint is like totally worn off on the hood. The clear coat's completely gone or whatever. It's just like, it's a, it's a tired E30M3. But the cool thing about it is there are not many E30M3s left like this because values

went so high that a lot of people like got their act together, fixed the cars, made them clean, made them nice, which took them out of the hands of like normal people, honestly. When they became 60 to $150,000 cars, they were not attainable anymore. Well, here's one that has some miles and has some clear coat failure. And like if you ever wanted an E30M3 but you couldn't spend 100, you know, buy it, do the work yourself over time. you get one. It's kind of cool, actually. I'm into it. I'm into it, too, and you could either send it to

EAG and have it restored, or you could put an S-54 in it, which would be sick. You could do lots of stuff with this car. It is appealing that these are still out there. Like you said, they're not common, but it's cool. It's cool to have one back-to-back like that, a cherry, perfect one, and then one that... Not so much.

Yeah, but I really like this one. I think this would be a cool driver. I would drive it around and bump into stuff, and Kenan would be like, oh. God, I'd lose my mind. Okay, I'm going to move on to the Q&A. The Q&A, these are questions from our viewers that we are going to answer. Now, remember, you can ask questions yourself. Go to CarsandBids.com, click on the community tab,

and there will be a post that says car pod questions for next week, and we will answer the top questions no matter how stupid they are. No, I'm kidding. Mostly they're actually really good. Sometimes they're insane. We're going to answer them all. Yes, indeed. Now, I would like to start.

We had a viewer send us something recently, which is very important. This is addressed to Doug and the crew. and this is from Chad in Bakersfield. He sent us one of the Lego Kuntoshes, which is so kind of him. I'm so excited they made it. It is a Lego version of essentially my car. It's a round belly white with a wing.

I don't have the patience to build Legos, but we have a cast member, staff member, who's going to do it because he builds all Legos brilliantly and quickly, and I can't wait to see how it's done. And then Kenan will take a perfectly framed picture of the built car next to the real car. Yes, I will. And Chad, if you would please reach,

out to us on Instagram and we'll send you a shirt too. Let us know your size and stuff and we'll send you one. But thank you for, this is just so kind that someone sent this, I think. It is kind. Kenan, when when Nick builds this, can you make sure to get the trunk latch working at least on the logo? It works

as it is. You insufferable but yeah, but thank you very much, Chad. That is very, very kind of you. Thank you to Chad in Bakersfield for sending, that is the Lego that I'm most excited about of any Lego ever.

Although I did the F-40, and that was cool too. Okay, question number the first. From Disco John, what has been the most disappointing no reserve sale? I posted this question, I thought about it. I can't think of any really offhand that I remember that were like, whoa, that went for not a lot of money. Can you, Kenan? No, I really can't either.

I mean, the thing about no reserve auctions is that they always bring more because people are so excited because they know somebody is taking it home. And a lot of people are concerned with us in their cars no reserve because like, oh, what if it sells for a dollar. It's like, well, like we said last week, I'll give you two. I'll give you four. It's like, that's how it works. The market will design. The exception, though, is the exception is if someone is selling trash or if the trash gets found out during the no reserve auction, that has a tendency, that has a question and cause problems.

But I can't think of a time that that's, I mean, I'm sure some no reserve cars have not met seller expectations. But like, you know, I can't think of any that like went way, way, way under or anything. There's nothing. Nothing like really stands out as like, oh my God, I can't believe that's sold for nothing. Most no reserve cars, most people who do no reserve present the car well because they know it's kind of risky. And so they take more time, they take more effort, and the car brings a pretty good result. That's generally what we find. Yeah, I agree.

I can't think of an instance like that. Okay. Next question from Hidbigo. Question for Doug, when you drive between California and Massachusetts, are there particular road slash cities that you like to drive slash visit or ones that you go out of your way to avoid? I drive as fast as I can't. Every summer I drive from California, Massachusetts. I live in Massachusetts in the summer. I drive as fast as humanly possible.

I don't go anywhere outside where I need to. It's very rare that I go even 30 seconds off the freeway at any time. And so the answer to that question is no. Also, I'm driving a Toyota Sequoia with my dog in it, so we're not exactly trying to hit good roads. Last summer, to illustrate how quickly I'm trying to drive, last summer I drove from the West Village of New York City to Oklahoma in one day. I really, really, really do not.

That's a, we go fast. Okay. Next question, D2S8 Daily. This is a good question that we should discuss. Cheap speed is thrown around a lot when discussing U.S. car manufacturers. What is your favorite cheap speed, new or used, from a non-U.S. automaker? Like, what is a, you know what? That's a pretty decent question.

Like, I think the answer, like, okay, as I think about it, there are some AMG cars that are relatively affordable with V8s from like the 2000s that you can buy for not much. You're talking like the C-55 is what you mean? Yeah. Yeah. I feel the F500 A-Barth is like is right there. That is such a fun car. Yeah, but it's not speed. It's cheap.

It's not speed. That's true. So you're talking like what European depreciated fast. Yeah. What big engine European car is like relatively affordable? Like cheap speed, when people say that, they're referring to like Mustang GTs and chargers and that kind of thing. I'm not so much into the new car world. But I can say one of the cars that surprised me that I would put in that kind of category, I had a Lotus Elon.

And when I first got it in, it needed some paint work. It was at the body shop next door. I hadn't driven it. And I was just so kind of like, eh, on the car. It was like, it's not visual. very appealing to me. And then when it got done with the work and I drove it, I fell in love with that car. It was so light, so nimble, so fun. This is like the 60s Alon, not the 90s one. Yeah. What are those sell for? That one I think sold for, God, what do we get in 20? Wow.

Something grand, 25, something like that. That is a lot of car for that money because it's a cool enthusiast car that's like a lot of fun to drive and 2025 grand is you know used be out of territory it was just it was just a blast yeah you're not gonna win most beautiful in show but you can have a lot of fun in that car yeah that's true for 25 grand it's less applicable to euro cars and asian cars for sure um it's really is such an american thing to just throw a lot of power at a car for not that much money. Use M5s also, Kenan. There's some of those. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess

I guess it depends on what you mean for how cheap do you want to go is what I was thinking. I was thinking like sub 10 grand like around there, but for like cheap. Kenan, type in C63 to the cars and bidsies. You see this sale? This most recent one. Whoa, this one for

13. 13. Kenon, that could have been you. No, I don't want an M156. But that's Kenon, that could have been you. No, I I go good with the headbolt problem. No, Kenyon, no, no, no. They do a little bit of resonator.

It's only got 122,000 miles. Kenan, if the headbolt was going to explode, it would have exploded already. Kenan, go to photo 112, the first engine picture. Uh-huh. Just click on mechanical, though. Kenon, that headbolt's not exploding. Look at that. That engine looks tidy.

Yeah, look at that AMG, badge. Oh, boy. You know, the other problem with this car, Doug? How many pedals does it have? How many what? How many pedals does it have? It doesn't. You're missing the point.

The real problem is actually the interior. I don't do automatics. It is a really cool car. I cannot believe that this car sold for 13.3 though. 13 grand. That is cheap speed right there. Yeah. Okay.

Next question from Chris 809. For Doug, have you ever significantly changed your opinion on a car that you have reviewed positively or negatively? Not after I reviewed it, certainly. But there have been cars that I've been very excited to review that I drove and then I was like, wow, that's not that great. And there have definitely been cars that I have been not excited to review that I drove,

and I was really, really excited about them after I drove them. That's happened a bunch recently, actually. The Daytona SP3 was a great example. I was, that car just seemed like another expensive Ferrari. I drove it. It was amazing. One car that I was not that into, the Integra Type R, not the newest one. I love the new one.

The old one, the 90s one. Everybody talks about how great that is. I drove it. It was like, man, it's kind of slow, front wheel drive. those are those are those are that those are kind of two that stand out but there have been a bunch j t t t you drive a lot of cars have you ever had any uh cars that you were excited to drive and then it did not live up to your expectations oh yeah i mean so with with the classics sometimes it's um sometimes it's a matter of just how the cars have been treated and maintained uh

you know, there, oh, I got in a 308 GTS injected and it was the two valve, not the four valve. Oh, yeah. First time I drove one of those, I've driven the carbureated and I've driven the four valve. I hadn't driven just injected at that point. And I get in it and I'm like, I think there's something wrong with it. It has no guts. It is just the gutless wonder. And it was so slow.

But that's just how it is. It was a beautiful car, too. It was blue, you know, it was just stunning. But what else? Oh, I've had cars who they fight back and they just like to cause me problems. And those are always fun. I had a kuntosh one time where I went out to do my video on it and go to the gas station. and I put 30 bucks in it and driving around and then I'm headed back and all of a sudden,

you know, the pedal goes slack and I'm just like, oh, what's going on? And it felt like it ran out of gas, but I just put $30 in the car. And so stop on the side of the road, call up a friend. I'm like, grab the trailer, come get me. And he doesn't show up with the trailer. He shows up with a can of gas because I said it sounds. sounds like, you know, it feels like it's out of gas. Well, he goes over to the passenger side and starts putting gas in it, and I realized,

oh, yeah, they have two gas tanks, and the Y pipe wasn't feeding between the two tanks. So I filled up the tank that just wasn't feeding. So that car upset me. Yeah, but, I mean, that's not a problem with the Kuntosh. I love the Kuntosh. It just, some of these older cars just have an attitude problem. Right. That is definitely, definitely the case. But I'm glad to hear that you love the Kuntash.

We revere it at the Cars and Bids Office. No, I love it. We do. That white one is the finest one ever to exist. No, I'm kidding. I've won the Chuck Spielman Preservation Award, the La Jolla Concord. Kenan, you got any of these cars that you were excited by?

You drove, and then you were like, meh. Or the other way. The other way, the GT350 R, which you and I share in common is one of those cars, was one of the greatest car I've ever driven, full stop. It was just, oh, so satisfying, so amazing. I really love that car. I couldn't live with the stigma of owning one, especially in San Diego,

where you just looked like another military guy. We got a loan from Penn Fed and went up. You want to look like the military guy? I think that's cool. I salute them, but like, no, I'm good. As amazing as that car. And let that V8 sing. I think a car that disofer,

Broni had a boxer, disappoint, 512 BVI, I really disappointed. pointed me. I hated the way that car drove. Oh, really? Yeah, I don't know if it I mean, I'm sure it was the example I drove, but like the bite point for the clutch kept moving on me, which was really annoying. And so hot. And like, and I just

didn't love it as much as like riding in his contush is much more of an exciting experience to me than driving a boxer. It was at least that one that I experienced. And it was a gorgeous example, but like that car, that caught me down. The 355 let me down to a degree. Like I had built it up as a car that I, because I had wanted one for my whole life for two decades and got it and it's like it was a little slow the steering kind of sucks but it but it's still a wonderful experience I just went into it with the wrong attitude but Pauline now he wants a 348 TB not you get I don't want a tuberculosis I don't want a 348 tuberculosis

I want to say that is a bad choice for a 348 TB early car Jeep Grand Cherokee wheels that's what he wants oh you know I thought of one uh so people are probably going to hate me for this but when I drove the 488 pista I was just like okay you know it's it's nice but it has no soul and it just didn't excite me so for me going fast is not my only goal if I want to go fast I go to the racetrack you know but if I'm driving a car around I want something that has a personality to it. And the 488, the Pista is an amazing car. And I'm not saying it's a bad car, but like, it just didn't do it for me. It just bored me, you know? I kind of agree. Forty-eight was the first Ferrari I ever experienced where it kind of felt

normal to use. Like it didn't, it, like, I drove home and I was like, you can daily drive this. Like, I wouldn't think twice about it. It would be fine. A 458 doesn't feel that way. I think If 4-5-8s has a little, little of this, it has a little joie de vivre, but not, there's something about the, yeah, I don't know if it's because it's turbocharged or exactly what it is, but it's really refined and nice,

but it's just like, I think it's a great car. I think it's totally reasonable. I love the pizza. I think it's amazing. It's fast. The steering is so sharp. But like, at the end of the day,

I got a lot of cool cars. I would never, like, it's not even in my top 40 of cars that I would buy. Like, you know, like, I agree with you, Colleen. Like, I'm not looking to go fast. I'm looking to, like, have an experience and that car doesn't necessarily it delivers the fast experience but like you can do

that in a Tesla for $28,000 and use Model 3 performance. Exactly. Yeah. That's a good one. And honestly, I think that applies to a lot of modern cars, which brings us to our next question. I'm going to do two more, two more questions. Two more. All right. One is what is the best car that you've driven? What is the best car that you've driven that you didn't like? I interpret this question to be what is the car that is generally agreed to be great that you drove and you were like, I don't really get it. I am asking this question because I have three that I personally really want to say, I want to trash these cars. You ready? Oh, man. Lexus LFA. Everybody loves it. Hate the car. Number two, 918 Spider. But the best example of this, and I'm going to say it now, and I'm going to go on the record,

the Pagani Waira. Dang. is a car that people love and I'm all good on. Thanks so much. I don't really, I don't need to be a part of that car. The engine does not suit it. The transmission does not suit it. Every single one was heinously specked out by a tasteless person.

And I think a lot of the little switchgear and stuff is gimmicky. I hate it. I hate it when I agree with you, but you're right. I don't agree about the LFA. quite, I actually liked driving the LFA a lot when you're really on in the transmission. Do that, do how it sounds. Oh, yeah. No, no, no.

You're, no, you're talking about the 60M-5. Like, Mike, the SMG is like, you go, whoa, whoa, you pull like that, you just have that huge weight. Nice. The LFA, the only thing, the really annoying thing about the LFA was like when you got to go into reverse and, you know, you got to go into neutral, and, you know, you got to go into the neutral, and, you know, you got to go into the neutral, and, you know, you got to go into the neutral, and you're back up, you back to go into the air, can't pull it. You can't just go into first, you got to go into neutral. That is dumb. The annoying thing about the LFA. The annoying thing about the LFA is the market treats it as a $700,000 car.

That's a really annoying part. That's the annoying thing about the LFA. I agree. Do you agree with me, Kenan, about the 918 also? I like the 918 a lot. I think that of the three in the Holy Trinity is the most usable. The La Ferrari, I don't know, I had experiences with one and it was, that car. That's too scary for me.

It's just like it's, I don't know, I didn't, the, didn't hold up quality-wise. We had stuff that was falling off of it. Like, it just like, yeah, I was kind of annoyed with that. And the P1 is, wait, wait, wait, wait, you're over here complaining the 488 is too sanitized of an experience. The Pista, or the La Ferrari is giving you stuff falling off of it. That's the old school Ferrari experience that you're complaining is missing from the newer cars.

Yeah, that's a fair point, actually. I just don't want to be responsible for that $300,000 battery that's no longer in production. Yeah, that's a problem. Okay, what do you guys have? The car that generally is agreed to be the best. that you've driven and you didn't like? I hated the viper. Wow.

Colleen. This is a very late stage admission from Colleen because Canon wants to buy a viper right now. Which I said and you laughed at me now I understand. Colleen, which viper did you drive that you didn't like? Which, Jen? So I've driven a few. Hitted them all. I hated them all.

There was, so there was a point I was filming. a viper and then there was this Porsche so it was like an RSR clone and it was awesome and I took both cars to the same road same little curvy road and at like 75 miles an hour the front end of the viper felt just loose and like

floaty and the car I was just like you know and then in the RSRR it was like it was on rails and at like 90 miles an hour. Not that I was actually going that fast, but, you know, and. Of course not. In the Mosaic 5 on that road. It was just amazing. And so I'm like, you know, the viper just didn't handle how I liked it.

It just didn't do it for me. Shannon, how do you feel about this? I like the crudeness of it. I like that it's kind of garbage. That's like kind of the appeal. So I think that, like, for the first gen specifically, I agree, like, I mean, you loved your GTS when you had it, but, like, I think that, I like, the first gens are just, they just look awesome. I just think they look really cool. And I don't know, I like that they're crude and difficult to use and kind of a struggle. And I want that for, like, six months. And then I'm over it, I'm sure. But, like, I just, like, I kind of want to check that one off the list. Plus, for me, like, because the M5 is such a nightmare, reliability, would be okay. I would kind of like that in a I do agree in a sense

with Colleen and you that like it is kind of trash but like it's a good six month car. Like I think it'd be fun to cruise around in for a little while and like enjoy the V10 stick like ridiculous experience. It's wide. It's absurd looking. But maybe it's not a car you fall in love with and own

for you know 20 years because it does have some flaws. See my whole thing with it is it's not like I don't like a car that's hard to handle. I love cars that are hard to handle. but it was just that car's handling at speed was insufficient to me. It was just, you know. So that was the thing that really did it for me where I was like,

we're not really friends. Kenon, you got one of these car that is universally liked that you don't like? So the McLaren's 720S when it came out I drove, and I remember thinking like this is amazing in that it rides really well. It's insanely fast, wild styling, great handling. but I was like I would be happy in a 458 like I just didn't it was so it was nice and it delivered a lot of performance

but to me it was just kind of maybe it was that joie de vivre again it was like it didn't have the spice I was looking for despite being an empirically excellent car in every regard but other than that it was great and I just was like I'm good I don't need to drive one ever again it's fine it's wonderful I agree with that on the subject of the piece

I agree with that that's a reasonable point I'm in yeah okay last question question is this. Car loving shark 77 asks, I remember Doug saying in an earlier video that he's doing some construction at his house. Can you tell us more about the project and how is it coming along? That's right. I am doing construction of my house. I'm building a guest house so that when Emily kicks out, Kenan, he can come over and stay with me when he needs to. If he spends an extra 10 grand on the M5 and he's and he has to be sent away, he can come by and stay with me. But I've told him like, we're talking weeks, not months, Kenon. Like, you've got to get back on your feet. You've got to get back on your feet and, like, get something going here. You cannot stay here for indefinitely. You've perpetrated this meme for so long now. It continues to grow.

There is no, Emily. He is building an 80, or he is building a guest house and a garage also to store all the toys. But the garage you can also sleep in. You can have your choice, but I'm telling you, you have a few weeks, and then you have to get back on your feet. You've got to pick yourself up. there's no one named Emily in my life whatsoever. But thank you for the offer.

I will not take you up on it. Emily, Marjorie, Phyllis. Look, the point is, Kenan, we're walking to come by. All right. Only a few more months will be done. And you know what, Kenan, I'll even have some of your favorite bowler shirts hanging in the closet. Thanks, Doug.

Thank you. Okay, that's our final question. our final wrap up of the best podcast we've ever done. Woo! Thank you so much, Colleen. Sheehan for coming. We appreciate it. Check out NextGen classics.

Colleen has a great social media presence. She does car reviews and stuff on YouTube and shows off stuff. And it's wonderful. And I'm sorry I couldn't be there to see you both in person, but I'm thrilled. We did a great pot. Oh, thanks for having me. This is a blast. Yeah.

Thank you for coming. Kenan, also a pleasure, as always. Always a pleasure. Goodbye, everyone.