THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Slate Price Revealed, Koenigsegg Jesko Records, Honda Element Returns, and More! THIS CAR POD! EP117

Episode Date: June 26, 2026

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Wayfair, every style, every home. And welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippo. This is a big one, folks. No one is local. Canon, I guess, is. I don't know.

But Felipe appears to be in some sort of Porsche enthusiast studio. You know it. It's who we are now. Between the, you got like an Eames chair, a 964, and one of those speaker things. This person has a watch collection that would, that would, you know what, am I right, Kenon? This person is wearing a Morant's T-shirt, like they just love, like, whatever studio you're sitting in is currently, is currently touching his man bun while discussing deviated stitching options with his Porsche enthusiast friends. There are a couple of Porsches in this garage.

Tasteful. That's unfortunate. All right. We got a lot to cover today. Let's start with our news stories. Go ahead, Kenyon. What's you got? Oh, it's late.

It's notable because pricing has been revealed for the slate vehicles. Do you want to guess what the starting price is? It's like 25, right? Yeah, 25 grand without destination. We don't know the destination pricing yet. Is what the pickup truck is, just as a quick reminder of specs. These have like 200-ish miles range. They start out as a pickup truck.

It's somewhere, it's like a little bit longer than a GTI or Volkswagen Golf in length. It's a pretty small truck. And as a base price, rear will drive 200-ish miles of electric range, EV only, crank windows, no stereo, etc. I'm just going to tell you right now this isn't going to sell. So that's the issue, right? So they also have other body cells. And the way, the entire thing is that it's very customizable. So if you want a color, if you don't want it to be raw metal, you need to get a wrap.

The wrap starts at $500 plus install. Yeah. You can also add in like speaker grills and different dash panels and the stereo. The Maverick starts at 27. It's gone up a little bit. It's like 29 something with destination. A 26 Maverick starts at 27-145 without destination. And that's apples to apples because we don't have destination on this slate thing.

Mavericks 27. Maverick has four doors. It paint. It's paint. They paint the Maverick right there for you. Yeah. It has a stereo. They do the painting right there for you. Yeah. And the nation has kind of turned on EVs in general.

And obviously, now people are going to watch this, the internet people. No way, this is so good. Cheap truck, little truck, this is what everybody wants. Nah. Also, you can add a square back SUV and a fast. back SUV. The square back? The square back is

$5,000 additional dollars, so you're a 30 predestination. The fastback is 32 predestination. You're just not competitive. Does that come with Steve? Does that come with a seat? It comes with a three-seat bench.

What other stuff does a base slate not have? It only has two airbags? No, no, no. Adding the SUV adds two airbags. What other stuff does a base slate not have? It doesn't have a stereo, doesn't have a key fob as far as I can tell. It doesn't have a center armrest. It doesn't have a door, like a padded armrest.

There's a lot of things that you can add and you can customize. It doesn't have like an infotainment screen. There's a spot for your phone. It's very, very, very bare bones. And they, if you read, like, their, like, engineering interviews, and the few folks have driven it and talk to their teams, the Atopian included. And if you read their reviews, their engineers are very proud of the fact that this is a very simple truck. Like, the frame is not, like,

like a single cast. It's a bunch of welds together. Every kind of component is really, really simple. Do you remember, do you remember how the Tata Nano was going to change India? Of course. For $7,000. This was 20 years ago.

Tata came out with this little car called the Nano that it was like seven grand new. And it was going to change India. And what happened was no one bought it. Now, I also remember some modular cars where you could customize them. Kenan, Remember the Z1? Oh, of course. Yeah, the idea was that if you could do it until you change every panel on the car yourself, in essence,

and totally changed the car of the car. And guess what? No one did that. No one ever did it. I think the only people I know that actually documented it, like, wheelie dealers did it. And it was supposed to be fast. Took them like a week. It took them like multiple days with like trained mechanics in a shop.

The smart car was the same way initially, believe it or not. And, oh, Filippo's gone. You know, it's fine. The smart car was the same way, initially. And that didn't work either. No one really ever bothered to change the color, and for the second generation, the color-changing situation was gone.

Kenan, look, given that you're not the slate truck consumer, tell us what your thoughts are on simple vehicles. Well, I do like a simple vehicle, despite being someone who owns only complex vehicles. But I do think that, like, I liked the idea of it when it came out, And it made sense in that context. But we all knew they just weren't going to hit their targets.

So what I think they need to do is release another Wes Anderson-style Q&A session with the CEO. Because that really, really got us what we needed to go with it last time. She's out. She's out of it. So I wonder why. That's tough. But I don't know. I mean, like, I just, why would you get this?

Like, it just doesn't make sense economically. I don't think there's a lot of demand for it in the U.S. I mean, I guess we order on Amazon blind. It shows up the next day. That's nice. But I don't know. Right. You know what problem I have also is, ultimately, EVs are for rich people.

Like, the infrastructure required and the lifestyle situation required to have an EV right now makes them kind of a rich person car. It's just sort of the reality. You've got to have a house. You got to have a charger. Like, yes, you can charge in public. There are a lot of people who do it with Model 3s. But in general, it's easier if you have more money to have an EV, which is why most EVs have been shooting for high-end segments. And this truck has tended to appeal to people who are like at the kind of lower end entry level of pickup segment.

But it's like $25 grand for the truck. But then you also have to figure out your charge situation. And you can't be driving more than 200 miles between charges, which is not a significant distance. Or 100 when it gets cold. It's just it'll be interesting. And I know there's going to be a thousand people replying to this and being like, this is what the people want. We'll see. I have a suspicion.

We'll see. Yeah, I sort of feel the same way about it. I'm excited to see it. I'm very excited for you to review it, but nonetheless, it just seems like a tough sell in a lot of regards. Felipe, we kept going. I'm glad you did. Well, Felipe was there.

He's seen her. He was at the launch event. He got a tattoo. Felipe, I know that you're hanging out with your Porsche enthusiasts right now discussing 997.2 wheel options. Oh, the Carrera classics. But can you tell us? You agree that slight thing's going to fail, yeah?

I think their hope is that there's like a cuteness, novelty, personalization. That doesn't last. I agree. They maybe get a few reservations, a few sales, but it's not competitive. I think they're going to have a great first model year when you have a lot of pent-up demand interested in this little cool, interesting, new, exciting truck. I think they're going to have one great first model year, like a lot of cars that primarily sell based on their sort of wow, interesting factor.

And then, like the Santa Cruz, honestly, And then after that, you're going to be struck trying to find people who are going to be hard to find. I'm not even sure it'll be that successful first year. The Fiat 500E that you reviewed is a new generation. It's a low range electric. It makes weird noises. It plays like Oat to Joy or something. Yeah, yeah.

Something like that. That's cute. That's funky. It's not a practical fit in the market. It's not competitive. And that's going to be true for the slate, too. Right. You would rather have a Maverick, Philippo?

Yeah, 100%. And people have asked me, and I've heavily recommended a Maverick. Would you rather have a used Durhamax heavy duty? I think that that's a different clientele. You know, I actually, it's interesting that you say that because I actually think a big competitor to this truck will actually be used pickup trucks. Yeah, but not a used Dura Max. But I do think that there are going to be a lot of people who are comparing this,

because ultimately it's a price conscious clientele. There are going to be a lot of people who are, and now there are a lot more mid-size and small trucks in the U.S. market between Ranger and Colorado and Canyon and Maverick and Santa Cruz. And there can be a lot of people who are comparing it to all of those trucks as a used product. And you tell me how this is better than a three-year-old frontier. The only way that I think it could have some success is if they lean really heavily into the commercial market. If you're a florist and you can make this really tailored to your brand and it's cheap enough maybe, great, but that's such a niche. Every florist I know.

has a Maverick or a Ford Transit Connect Connect. They all have a Ford Transit Connect. Connect, yeah. All right, move on to our next news story. We got a first new story. Car vehicle fails. Startup vehicle fails.

Oh, speaking of startup vehicles that failed. Did you see this, Felipe? Of course. The Honda element is coming back in 2029. Make it a convertible. Make it a convertible. It wasn't a convertible originally.

I know, but everybody wants convertibles now. The Bronco wasn't a convertible originally and look at us now. Had a top that came off. Yeah, but now it just, And in the past, you had like, you and four of your closest friends, like, over a couple of cold ones had to pull the thing off. And now, look at us. The element will be so much better if it's a convertible.

Please, please. There was a lack of convertible SUVs on the market today. You know why, Doug? Because the market has spoken it. And then it's spoken again and then it has spoken again. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. And then it's spoken again. Excuse me.

Do you know how many sales, wranglers they sold left here? Are you crazy? They could be a range 160. I don't think the element is going to be priced like that. They sold 167,000 Jeep Wranglers last year. People were buying that. Ford sold 146,000 full-sized Broncos last year. That's 320,000 sales of convertible SUVs last year.

And Toyota sits here and they're like, oh, the forerner, the back window goes down. Which we all love. Regardless, the Honda element. is going to come back. My understanding is that it's going to be a relatively boxy vehicle, and it's going to be Broncosport size and a Broncos sport competitor. So like a more utilitarian, cutesy, square, HRV, CRV. It is interesting that you have an understanding.

Do you have an understanding about the roof situation? No. And by the way, we're not going to talk about the ability to hose it down because every Honda element fan knows that that is a recipe for disaster. No, no, you just hose it. down. So some mold then's up in the car. Who cares? There was a lot of debate

in that element for him. If mold ends up in the car, Kenan, you know what you do? You hose down the mole. Just keep hosing. It works. It's no problem. More water pressure. I'm actually very excited about this. I love

the original Honda element. I thought they were really cool cars back then. So it makes sense to bring it back now. I think it fits a lot of needs. And maybe this one, you can't actually hose it down. Maybe they'll actually go the distance. I think the element never should have gone out of production. And I understand sort of why it did. But I think that if they had committed to it a little bit more, it actually probably could have been. The boxy thing had kind of died. There was that sion and all that. But I think that like a little bit of an alteration and it could

have been like an outback sport, Impreza Outback sport. What is that called the Cross Trek competitor? Like I really, I think it could have like lived in that space. Yeah. They would have like that. I do have an important question, which is, with all respect to our friends at Honda, are you ready to be disappointed? Oh, wow, you think it's going to be bad. No, the passport's not a bad vehicle, but you're going to have these ambitions for what it is. Yeah, you're so right. They won't commit to, like, make, they like, take an idea and then water down the idea

to the point where it's really a disappointment. It's going to be, like, a squared off HRV, is my guess. with some climbing. Yeah. Yeah. You're probably right. Yeah. You're right.

I'm not doing this. Competitive. In the previous one I do a sunroofs, if they do a convertible, Filippa will buy it. Absolutely not. If they do a convertible, I will have a conversation about buying it. I'll tell you what, Honda, I'll make you this promise. If you do a convertible element, it will be our lead news story on the pod the week you announce it. You'll get, you'll reach a massive audience.

Yep This is my promise to you It is a massive audience though To be fair Was this car built in Ohio The element? I don't know the answer to that I don't know the answer

I feel like it was But I might very well I'm likely wrong with it Was it okay East liberties Yeah Shout out All right

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It is instead that Lucid is cutting an additional 18% of their U.S. workforce, saving about $1,158 million annually annualized. They've also lost their chief operating officer, Mark Winterhoff. Effectively, immediately, they're not replacing him. And how much is that saying? How much of the 158 mil is saved by now? Winterhoff. It's not zero.

They had about 9,000 employees as of the last year. They did 12% layoff in February, an additional 18% now. They really are trying to stop burning quite as much cash as they have been. They weren't able to sell very many gravities to a supplier issue. They weren't able to build very many. They now will have a big. That's why they couldn't sell them. It didn't help.

Layoffs are sad, and I always feel sad when there are layoffs, because I know how that affects people and it's real. Lucid's product strategy has been interesting, to put it mildly. And I think that we were just talking in our group tech story the other day about how insane it is in the day of SUVs that all these automakers decided that they would launch sedans as their first EV. Porsche made the mistake. Lucid made the mistake. Various others did, too. But then to follow up the sedan with a minivan. I'm into it. I love the gravity.

The problem is, I've heard some issues. The problem is you're a contrarian. And most people, when faced with a $125,000 minivan or a Rivian, they're not choosing the minivan. The secret is that it's not $125,000. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. The transaction price is 41-7. And by the way, that's why all the layoffs are happening.

Yeah. A couple of other pieces of news from it. So they are still working on their mid-size crossover that should be reversed. field soon. I think that one's for the urban moms or whatever they call it. It better not look like the gravity. Lucid, lucid, make it boxy. They will absolutely not make it boxy. The Kia tell your ride should tell you everything you need to know. The funny thing is, I've been doing this make it boxy tangent for years. And some automakers have sort of come up with a high and mighty attitude about it. Like, we're not going to go down the G-Wagon road. We're going to make the XM.

We're going to make the gravity. Well, when you don't make it boxy, you are rewarded with bad sales. So that's your choice, I guess. If you want to do minivans and jelly bean sedans, it's what you're doing. Yep. Also, by the way, very sad news for anybody, expecting their gravity. They eliminated their second shift of production at their Arizona facility. No one is expecting a gravity. You can go to any lucid retailer at your local shopping mall and order one, and it'll be there tomorrow.

It's currently sitting in a field in a bad neighborhood in your town. Yes. About a month ago, they suspended all guidance for the year because they weren't sure how many cars they'll sell because they have elevated inventory. So I got some guidance. You know, the moment I saw that picture of that gravity, I was like, oh, my God, they're going to lay off 30% of their workforce, including Winterhoff. It's all gone. Yeah, it's tough. They did have a new CEO earlier this year, Sylvanopoly, and now.

They may make some turnaround changes or they may fail to. Can I make a suggestion? Gas-engined boxy FGVs. I'm a little frustrated by Lucid's failures here because by all accounts, they have the most advanced, impressive motor technology. Their motors are notably lighter than every other. I mean EVV manufacturer,

I think they have great packaging. I think they have great interior design and some other component. They truly have done beautiful. Beautiful job building cars. Yeah. Unfortunately, they've made poor product playing decisions and have had a lot of reliability issues that make it tough to recommend. Here's a theory I'm going to posit for you, Felipe.

The lucid gravity is the Lincoln town car of our generation. Isn't the lucid air of the Lincoln town car of our generation? No, the lucid air would be the MC. Yes, I'm sorry, the air. The air is the town car. The gravity is the MKT. You're right. I've never seen a young air driver.

Yeah, and also it just looks like that. American build. It's like a big old man. I kind of want one. And it has 500 miles of range, which no other EV has still. The other day, someone asked me if they should get a lucid air. And I said, look, they're amazing. And the used ones are cheap. And they're incredible. But they're going to be, it's going to probably cause some problems. You're going to have some issues. Yeah. Okay, Toyota should make a convertible forerunner. Next news story, please. All right. This is, I keep out of how the stories. I apologize. But this is my very favorite story.

week. Oh, boy. Truly. Sean wasn't here to call his dumb stories this week. I know. It's the best. I have so much freedom. I can't even see the picture, but it looks like a manufacturing situation, which makes nervous.

You will love this story, too. All right. So we've talked in the past about how both Toyota and Nissan are shipping cars that are made in America to be sold now in Japan. I saw this story. The Tundra, the Highlander, the Murano, among others. Part of this is driven by the agreement that the Japanese and the U.S. government came to related to tariffs, opened the door for more imports from the, more experts

from the U.S. to Japan. But automakers that are doing this are running into an issue, which is that the quality standards that they build vehicles to for the U.S. market are a little below the quality standards that the Japanese market is used to. This has a little more nuance to it, though. It's like paint finishes have less, are a little bit different. Like, not because the quality is different because the workers are bad. It's because, like, the actual, design and creation of the car has a different focus than Japan. The notice on Moranos when they're sold in Japan say this vehicle is manufactured specifications intended for overseas markets and vehicle, the SUV, the Marana may have dust

particles in the paint, traces of sealant residue, or misaligned or uneven panel in gaps. But they don't affect the vehicle's functionality, which may be true. Well, we all accept that. We've all come to expect that from Nissan. It's just that the Japanese haven't yet, but they will. Tundra, or, excuse me, Toyota and the Tundra Highlander, also said that they may notice thin paint, color variations, polishing marks, and debt. Have they told the Japanese that their Tundra engines could explode?

I think they've kept that one a secret. I'm going to tell you a story, Filippo, that's going to rock your world. And I want to cover this in greater detail when we get on to, when I get back. But this is a real story. The Tundra, the engines are exploding left and right. It's a real problem with the Turbo V6, okay? Yeah. Exploding engines, exploding engines.

They're recalling them. and they're putting in new motors on some of them. But my understanding is those new motors also explode. Everything's exploding. But the hybrids aren't affected. And I finally discovered why the hybrids aren't affected. Are you aware of why? I'm going to, no.

Same power train. Same power train. So how could it not be affected? Actinson cycle. The answer is hybrids aren't affected by the recall because the recall is government mandated. And when the gas motor blows, the cars could stop, driving and become dangerous and a hazard. However, when the gas motor blows in the hybrid, and it does with the same frequency as the gas-powered cars, the hybrid power train is sufficient

to drive you to a safe place. This is what Toyota has convinced their regulator. It's the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. It's enough to drive you to a safe place, and so the hybrid doesn't need a safety recall because technically it isn't a safety issue. Now, I own one of these cars, And I'm going to tell you something. If my gas engine blows, the safety issue will be to Toyota and their employees. From me. Doug is not a threat to violence. I want to be very clear.

No, not at all. I'm not going to go to Plano. I'm not going to do anything like that. But I will tell caution people not to buy one of these vehicles, which I am now. I thought that they had a lower incidence rate. Is that not true? Oh, yeah, yeah. Lower is it.

That's unfortunate. Yeah. suburban. What I find unfortunate it is a manufacturing not standing behind its product. My car is $85,000. The hybrid turn turbo V6 are the most expensive ones in their lineup. And these are customers that will never buy a Toyota.

I get so much crap for not buying a Tahoe already. I don't have a V8. I'm driving around in this six cylinder, and I sit here and I say, this six cylinder is so great. And it is. It's an amazing power train. Right up until it blows, and I have to use the hybrid engine to safely get off the road. Oh, what a

Discovered. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's bad. That's rough. It looks that way, and the engine could blow up. That's a tough existence for you. I waved to another TRD Pro Secoi owner yesterday.

Was it a salute or was it an actual just, where'd you pull the gun out of the gun safety? I wave, but unfortunately, he was, he was, he was busy doing Trump pro-Trump chance while he was driving and see me. It's tough. He was making America great again.

right there on the road anyway he was doing that then his engine blue but fortunately he had the ability with his hyper power train to safely steer off the road my goodness yeah anyway we're going to talk about this a lot more on many more podcasts

and my greatest hope is that it happens to me when I'm in San Diego in which case I will be relentless in my fury toward Toyota do you agree Felipe him imagine if it happens to you not in San Diego I think it's more likely considering when the car is in San Diego, it doesn't move until it goes back to the East Coast.

If that happens to me when I'm in the middle of the country, the wrath that I will create for Toyota cannot even be explained with rational work. I'm excited for Friday at 7.30 a.m. Pacific time, 30 minutes after this podcast goes live for you to get the email from Toyota corporate saying. I think that Toyota is probably embarrassed. Like, I'm going to reach out to their PR people for comment on this once. Again, I want to cover this in greater detail than that. the eight minutes to vote a journey.

I want to devote 30 minutes to it. But like, the PR people know that this is indefensible, so I am curious what they would say. Yeah. You're getting a recall notice tomorrow. A small portion of vehicles and blah, blah, blah. Silly. Doug is getting a one-off recall.

It'll be a handwritten one just for him. Well, fine, do that. But let's, the recall the power trains, are they working any better? I'm not convinced. You know what I want? I want them to recall my Sequoia hybrid and put in the 2UZ 4.7-L8 from the Tundra and GX470.

God, that would be such a slow vehicle. Fine. Fine. We're not trying to go fast here, Felipe. We're trying to be reliable. Good point. All right, let's move on to the pinnacle reliability. Wait, wait, before we move on, Toyota should make a convertible forerunner.

All right, next. Sorry, I dropped the gun there. Two pieces of news on the Maserari front. I'm keeping this under a minute. All of their lineup has been refreshed with a new. corporate face. The Grand Turismo has a little bit more power than it did before, like, like, 40, and I know what?

There's going to be a new great calling in 27. And, and the seller of the CEO said in meetings with Italian lawmakers this week, that they are an active conversation with two partners to work with Maserati. Take that, as you will. You could take that to mean, even though Maserati's PR team has denied this, that they're looking at acquisition. They could be looking at, like, platform sharing, et cetera. but there's a Stalantis, which owns about half the brands in the world,

so I don't know what they'd be doing there. So Maserati will have some news soon. Well, great. Toyota should make a convertible forerunner. Give us our next slide, please. What's this? Yes, the Cunning Seg Yesco. Now, Doug, you live life a quarter mile at a time, if I recall.

You love your quarter mile thing. So I want to share some stats with you. That's right. So the YESCO recently set a very interesting. record. It was the first production car to break 186 miles an hour in the quarter mile. That means it does the quarter mile in 8.3 seconds. Now, Doug, you've done a lot of quarter miles. Let that number sink in for a moment about how fast that is. No, I mean, I've never been in a car that does a quarter that fast. I used to do a lot of quarter mile drag racing. It's hard to imagine.

Right. Yeah. I mean, the plaid pride does that close to that. And I've never done a full quarter and it's it's probably insane. Right. So to be specific, it surpassed 300 kilometers an hour. So the actual speed was clocked out was 189.76 miles an hour. Trap speeds 190 miles an hour in a quarter. In the quarter. Yeah, that's crazy.

But my favorite part about this story, like that's one thing and very admirable. But there's footage of this that they recorded. And, you know, Doug, you've been there on the line, set in the corner, you know, you're focused, you're holding the steering all nice and tight, you know, pointing it straight. this guy sets the quarter mile the driver's he set the quarter mile holding a phone he did it one-handed recording with a phone

which is mind-blowing to me he was doing 190 miles an hour one-handed is not an official conigig's like this quarter mile time this is what they have published quarter mile at 8.54 seconds and it was verified it's also incredibly impressive given that it's real-wheel drive

it's not electric it's not hybrid even that's wild Yeah, it's an insane figure. Is that true? I don't know anything about this car. Yeah, but it is all, everything I said there is accurate as this of the things that I said this podcast. I will say that there's zero to 60 time, which is 2.35 seconds, according to those.

It's not the fastest zero to 60, but it must just like the first go. 60 miles per hour must be the slowest in that quarter mile. There's a launch problem because it's not four-wheel drive and it's not hybrid. But then it seems to catch up okay. What does the ZR1X do in the quarter? Nine something? Nines? That's so slow.

No, 8.675 at 160. What does the thing do again, Kenan? So they claim that it took 8.54s, but they were clocked out in the quarter. It's interesting because the trap speed tells you why the Konigsig is so much faster. The ZR1X hits 160 at 8.675, but the Konig was going 190, which tells you just how quickly it is accelerating still as it is accelerating. It is getting so, so much faster. So it's got this incredible high-speed thing that just happens incredibly fast.

That's pretty wild. Yeah, that must... By the 0-1-X, the most impressive supercar, it's not that expensive for the performance it puts out. It's faster... Jason Kibis, our friend of Haggerty, did a drag race with the new Temerario, a couple of other cars. The 0-1X blows by all of those cars.

in the quarter mile and 360 and a half puts on power for the same price. Would you consider one if there was a Storado version? A 0-1X Dorado, that'd be weird. You wouldn't consider one for Canon? I'll consider anything, but I'm not going to buy it, so that's how that goes. I really want an E-ray slash Grand Sport X. Would you get an E-Rae Storado? I does not change my...

I would, actually, yeah. I would get an E-Rer Estrada. Yeah. There we go. There we go. I think that they would call it. What E-ray? Oh, my goodness.

What is the Chevrolet off-road? 4-A-T, AT4. That's GMs. That's GM-Z-71. Trailbought. High country. E-ray Trail boss. An E-ray Trail boss, I would 100% consider.

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So recently at Goodwood, Konig'sa said another record, not as zero to 61, but they did it with a Lego car. So they had a version of the Seder spear built completely out of Legos. And it set a new record going up Goodwood Hill for a Lego vehicle, which is 69 miles an hour. Nice. Wait, wait, wait. What? They drove a Lego car. What is the Seder Sphere?

What the hell is that? That's another Koenig creation. But the whole point with this is Konigsig picked up with Lego because they're releasing another Lego kit like in their supercar thing. And to promote that, they wanted to do something special. So they built a life-size model of this thing completely out of Lego, 327,000 pieces. And it weighs 4,000 pounds. It has an engine.

The engine's not out of Lego. The engine, okay, not completely out of Lego, but mostly out of Lego. But it, nonetheless, like, it did it. It was obviously a publicity stunt, but I think it's really cool when they do stuff like this. They're driving a Lego car. Yeah. At Goodwood. At Goodwood.

What do you mean all you need to do? It's made out of little blocks. That stick together really well. They're well engineered. It's all. friction. They must be. I'm looking at the picture of the car.

What do you think bolting something down is? You're just creating a lot of friction. Here's my problem with this. A very different way. Yeah, what you're insane. I'm not fundamentally wrong. No, you are fundamentally wrong. Here's the problem I have.

I'm looking at a picture of the car. There's brakes. There's wheels. There's tires. I think they just took a Koenig-like base plate to use Lego terminology and just kind of created the body out of Legos. Is the interior Lego? is the interior Lego?

I think it is. My understanding that it's Lego. Also, there are a bunch of other electric, like there's like other mechanical features. Ghost mode works. So there are other electric

mode lifting it up. Wait, I got a picture of the interior. Oh my God, it's mostly Lego. Can I, I would like to say my favorite fact about this, which is it is heavier than the actual car. Yep.

It weighs 4,000 pounds. It's very heavy. What did it weigh, Kenna? 4,000 pounds is what they claim. way, which is a lot. Almost exactly as much as a slate. And it's built the same way. Modularly, exactly.

You know, it's interesting, because one other interesting thing that I was thinking of this week is that Toyota should make a convertible forerunner. Yeah. Next, we have any more restored? We have one more. Yes, we have one more.

So this is a Morgan. So Pinn and Farina, a design house that we all love, largely has been making industrial products. They make, you know, Coke dispensers, like this sort of thing. Well, recently they paired up with Morgan to release this.

They're calling it the midsummer coop. It's going to be powered by the B-58, the great BMW 6-cellar, and it's going to use the 8-speed ZF transmission. But I think it looks absolutely spectacular. Yeah. Of course, Morgan, you know, a brand not known for

advancing their design much, just kind of keeping their 1930s look. I think this actually looks wonderful and I think it's kind of proof. It's like a beautiful modernization of a Morgan, and it kind of looks like a Bugatti Adelante. There is a little bit of Alante, yeah. This is something that I think you should consider, Filippo. Well, unfortunately, Filippo won't be able to consider it because I'm only building nine of them.

So it might be a bit tough. He can conceptualize it. We'll get him a model maybe. Can I have the Lego version? We'll see. Maybe that'll weigh 4,000 pounds as well. Did you start a Lego version? I said version.

I think he said it with a W because he's trying to be like a Porsche guy. He's trying to be like German. He's sitting in that office and it's rubbing off on him. But they don't have Ws in German. It's all V's. No, it's the V and W are switched.

Felipe. Oh, that's right. That's one of this. Felipe, are you becoming a Porsche person by just sitting in a room? Well, you know, but he didn't say Winterhoff. That's what I was expecting him to say.

Oh, yeah. He held back, though. I could tell he was thinking it. But nonetheless, I think this is really cool. Of course, it would be very unlikely to ever see one, but it is proof, I really would love to say Pinnon and Fringer go back and do more cars. I know we had talked

about, like, with the Luce, it's like, oh, Pinn and Farina have been designing it, and you specifically Doug said that, like, they're not who they used to be. I don't know. I think if they still can exercise taste like this, it would be like, I'd like to say... Okay, I'm going to clarify that comment, because I was being very diplomatic, because I think it was in a commisa video,

and I, we got our pod, we can be a little bit more outgoing. Pininferina was purchased by the Indians, Mahindra. And I think that Ferrari decided that they did not want their vehicles. This is my theory slash slash I've heard from people that it's true.

Ferrari did not want their vehicles designed by, I mean, Pinnonfriene is Italian. When it is no longer Italian, Ferrari was thinking, let's just bring design in house because we are Italian. And I think that's what happened. Not that it's lost its luster, not that it's not the same, whatever.

I think it was more that there was a new owner, and Ferrari didn't see that as a credible situation for them. Now, this is a beautiful car. Do you know there's a convertible? Kenan? Yes, yes, I do know there's a convertible. I think they made 50 of those. They made 50 convertibles.

Why are they only doing nine coupes? I don't know. Maybe that's all the tooling can handle. They couldn't get enough trees to build the rest of the car. I don't know. You know what's a mistake? You know what's a mistake? The convertible is called the midwinter.

The coups should have been called the midwinter, as Philippe would say. That's Philippa. Well, Felipe wouldn't even pay attention to it because it's not a Porsche and he's sitting in this room. No, but it has, that's true. It has a German heart, but not a Porsche one. That's true. Felipe's over here.

I met Andreas Pruniger once. That's what he's telling it. AP is what we call. AP, I call him AP. Me and I, I know him. All right, we have one last new story. How do we have one more? My God.

Producer Sean added from a literal train. He's on train. Why? This is very scary. There is currently a trend. in China. So there's a bunch of cars that have driver monitoring systems

that are making sure that there's somebody actually paying attention in order to do that. They have figured out that if you attach a bobblehead of a face right in front of the camera,

it is especially true in Teslas, but not only Tesla's, you can trick the camera into thinking that you are paying attention and you are driving and you don't actually need

to be driving or maybe even in the driver's seat for it to operate. And that's all we're going to say about that. Period. Huh. But then you also have to drive around with a bobblehead

strapped to the roof of your car. I mean, it's a ridiculous looking thing. Well, I think it doesn't, it just like, it looks like the perspective makes it look like you're in the seat even if you're not. For Tesla's full-self driving, makes you think that you're awake and in the seat. It's questionable.

Don't do that, people. Just don't do that. Okay, that's great, Philippa. I really appreciate that lovely good. Good reporting for your information. Time now for the Talk Cars segment, And in this segment, the thing that we do is we talk about cars. I have nothing to say about cars except that Toyota should make a convertible forerunner.

But Felipeo has just returned. He was gone for, I think, a month. I was gone for two weeks. Yeah, but Philippo, it was a month. If you go back and look at the podcast, it's been a month where you haven't been here. In three full podcasts. And I think it's been a month. Very much.

I missed you all. I got a lot of comments on my posts that apparently I ignore text messages, which. You do. You absolutely do. I don't think it's true. You did not reply to a number of text messages I sent you while you were away. If you, if you text me directly, I'm with you, Kenon. Nick didn't, listen, I know you don't watch the pod, but Nick called you out for that.

And I think it's because he doesn't understand time zones. You got to, Nick has never traveled before. You got to remember that. He's never been anywhere. That explains it. Yeah. And so he didn't understand, I think, I'm being sort of serious. He didn't understand, I think, that, like, there's a time zone issue.

He's like, I don't know, people won't reply to me. I just sent him to me. I just sent him to him. you're jerky. What's going on? Here's what happens. We have a text thread. I don't think this is a secret. That is quite active. But it's quite active late in the evening Pacific time, which is the middle of the night.

And honestly, if you miss it, you're dumb. I love you all. But I also enjoy sleep. I enjoy spending time with my family. I enjoy not being on my phone and vacation. I spent a lot of time on my phone on Slack and an email. and then text messages, and it's nice to disconnect. But it's great to be back and talking to you guys.

So now that you're reconnected, so what did you rent? You rented some Pujo that didn't look all that. Yeah, I rented a Pesger 2.8, 3-cylinder, 1-liter, turbocharged, small steering wheel, really small steering wheel. Also, the lightest steering. I've rented a 208 before. It's a very common rental car in the, like, subcompact class. I had a 1.4-4-filner last time.

Let me ask you a question. One, the steer is so, I want to finish this. The series is so light. When I got home and drove our Mercedes, I legitimately thought for the first 20 minutes that, like, my power steering was broken because it was so heavy. And the steering has unusually heavy steering, I will say. The patient just has such light steering that it was a surprise. Do you, why didn't you rent something cool, like a Chevy Captiva?

Thankfully, I was not given a Chevy Captiva. I've previously been given an Opel Grand Tour, which is a larger Chevy Captiva, literally. and I demanded that they switch it up. I went on a lot of very tight roads, and so small cars all that can do. In Abruzzo, which is like an area east of Rome by a couple hours in the mountains, some of the best roads I've ever been on,

some of the tightest roads I've ever been on. The 208 felt large. I was thinking about this a lot. If I had a Miata, which I could have rented from a different company for four or five bucks the price, the miata would have been almost too big. You know what my, you know what?

It's almost too powerful. I find a little weird. You're rich, like very rich. No, I'm not, though. You could have rented a Miata. It would have been so much more money. I can't do that. How much more we talked?

My rental car for two weeks was $507. A miata would have been $2,200. That's not worth it. That's not worth it. Yeah, $2,200 for two weeks, like $100 a day. Well, okay. When my comparison point is $500, I'm not spending an extra $1,700, $7,000. Miata, you know? Yeah, no, I mean, that's, that's, that's who you are at your core.

I am. I wouldn't, I'm not sure I would have spent an extra $700 of meata. Extra seven, yes. Xer 70, sure. On the saving money versus fund scale, you're always going to err on the side of saving money. So, I had a phenomenal vacation of the left. Yeah, was it great? It was so nice. I really disconnected from you all. Thank you. What did you? I'm glad that you did. You needed to. I did. Did I eat anything cool? Yeah, like nachos. No, no nachos. A lot of food. Italy, the land of other food.

Lada nachos. Pizza is kind of a nacho if you, like, don't think about it too much. You know? Cheese. Bread. It's just sort of cooked in a slightly different way than nachos. Different ingredients. Not that.

Different order. Felipe, you ran into the Mele amelia. I did. I was driving around. I was with some family. We were coming back from something. And we ran across a bunch of children on the side of the road. We didn't run into them.

We saw a lot of children at each intersection on the side of the road. And I wondered out loud, what do we think is happening? And my wife very kind of looks it up. And the Milamia is about to pass through like 10 minutes later. And so I rushed my family back to what we were saying. They didn't want to be a part of this. And then my wife and I went back out and hung out at a like lakeside little bar cafe to watch a lot of cool cars go by. Can I ask you a question?

You must have been very flummoxed by all the cars. Oh, I don't know anything about any of them. But except with the Lexus LFA. The Lexus LFA I knew about some of the support vehicles, because a lot of the people running it have support vehicles. We were outside those like little cafe and the owner's son and daughter very clearly were out there on the street. And I was like hanging out with my wife between cars going by because they're spread out by that point, right?

Like they start off altogether, but then they, some drive faster than another, some break down, some stop for a cigarette and a espresso, you know, things happen. That one alpha hits that on the river. You saw that kind of. Yeah. Yeah. And the kids were getting so excited about specific cars.

And so I was like looking to them to be like, what is coming? Is it going to be cool? And then I realized that the only cars that they cared about were anything new and loosely exotic. It's like any new 9-11, really excited. Well, they live there that's called out of Italy. Right.

It made me really. realize how spoiled we are. We see top-tier supercars, hypercars, sports cars, the rarest, the coolest variance every week in San Diego. When we live out in Southern California, you see them. When you're part of the car community

in Southern California, you really see them. But these kids don't see a basin on the level of it, ever. It's rural Italy. Occasionally, a tourist drives through in a Ferrari, California with German plates. That's it. That's the best you can hope for. Dude, you especially... into it. I would argue that you especially are spoiled sitting in that Porsche room with your,

you probably have a man bag. There's a 991 G2-3RS and a 9664 turbo like here. Man. So yeah. We're a little spoiled. But it was a refreshing reminder of what they'll get excited, what like still excites kids, which is, turns out that new sports cars still do. And some of the old stuff, like people were, all the drivers were so sweet and were like waving and honking as they went by people. Did you talk to them, the kids in Italian? Of course. Did you say, hi, my name is Filippo?

I would like to sit at this cafe. No, because it turns out when you go to a cafe to order things, you just kind of go up there. You don't need the conversation and you order. You don't need to say, my name is Filippa. I want to order food from your cafe. You just go and you chit-chat and you order food in the cafe. I'm glad that you had at least one automotive experience,

Felipe, and it appears you're having another within this, in this Portial world that you're in. It was so good. I love Italy. Everybody should go to Italy, and I now have a few additional regions that I had not been to since I was a kid to recommend. Italy is the greatest country. It is the greatest country. Yeah.

But I mean to let it. Uh-huh. It just is. Yep. Yep. Where would you put Greenland on your list? Middle-low-ish. No, it's a trick question.

It's not a country. Okay. Laundra. That's right. It's the territory of Denmark. In fact, they just use regular Denmark license plates, but, and this is the key, they start with GR. Oh, and that means Greenland. Kenan, Kenan, Kenan, Kenan, get you.

We got to. I'll tell you some things. We got to move on from that. Yes, so a couple of things. So one is the, so I have a car live right now. I'm very excited. The first Kenan R car officially is live since I launched. which I'm very excited about.

I was gone. Yes, it did. Thanks, Felipe. I really appreciate that. Did you know what's going to happen, Felipe? Yeah, Kenan and I are personally friends. Yeah, we live like a block apart from one of ZDC. He stunned me on the podcast, but he told everybody.

That's because you live on the other coast. It's hard to communicate. And then later in the podcast, he found me a Toyota Super. Anyway, speaking of Toyota sports cars, the Amira. Yeah, so the, well, no. Not this one. No, because this one is not. This one has the four cylinder.

There only been one four cylinder offering cars and men's before, but this has the AMG M139 turbocharged four cylinder, which I think is, I was reflecting upon this the other day when I was looking at the stats, I never thought that I would see the day when a four cylinder from a manufacturer would make more power than my E339M5's 5-liter V8. But here we are.

And like, I personally love the Amira. Is that true? Yeah, 400 horsepower. Yeah, because you got like 395, 394. That's right, it's got me. By a little bit, half the cylinder count, more power. Unbelievable. But nonetheless, like, it's finished.

This one, I think Hethel Yellow is the right color for this car. It looks so good. And this is a really nice example, 4,000 miles. You know, it's got all the great stuff with it. But it's so cool. I worked with Frank Harrington from the photographer's garage on this one, who took amazing pictures of this car, as he always does. And yes, this is the very first one.

I'm really excited being offered with no reserve. go check it out when you can. Wait, sorry. Can I say that about this? We talked about the, we know that the six-cylinder manuals going away. And then they're replacing the six-cylinder and the four-cylinder with their French-Chinese built. Yep. Yeah.

So the end, there was a brief period where you can get an AMG four-cylinder in the mirror. Correct. Yeah. And when I talked to the owner of this, called the first words out of his mouth where it's still, it's the AMG-4-cellar. They wanted to make sure I knew that, which I fully, fully did. But nonetheless, we're really, really low. Yeah, great power train in a lot of really cool cars. And just, I just can't believe that kind of power can be made with a four-cylinder car, but it can.

And the mirror is, you know, I think one of the coolest cars is dim. But, okay, now there is something else I wanted to mention in addition to this. So a friend of mine who has a Ferrari 575 sent this to me, but there's a guy, there's a YouTube video that just came out recently, of a guy who did a full U.S. tour, went to all 48 and two U.S. States, in a Ferrari 575. He added, I think it's 14,000 miles to his car doing this drive, which is unbelievable. As Ferraris right now, it becomes super valuable cars.

Like, they're just on fire and not in the normal way. Their values are just skyrocketing. It's so cool to see one go out and actually, you know, use this car and, like, go drive it around. He did a video talking about, like, his experiences. I mean, I don't think he saw a bison like you did with your Aston Martin, Doug. But nonetheless, this guy, like, took it to, he took it, like, to small towns, like drove it around, had great conversations. And it was just like a reminder to me that even if your car is something really special,

like go out and use it and have experiences and share it with people, and that's when you drive the most pleasure out of it. That's pretty cool. Which is especially right in the Ferrari community. It's just like a lot of Ferrari, you know, covered up and protected and stuff. But I mean, this guy just went out and did it. Yeah. Which I think is so, so, so cool.

Kenning, if you had a Ferrari 575M. Marinello, what state would you most want to be driving it in? That's tough to say I mostly would just want to drive it here at home and use it as often as I possibly could Yeah, but this guy did a road trip Yeah, he did I think

I mean Colorado has a lot of lovely roads that are suited to it wide open Wide open but then you have nice beautiful mountain twisty roads There's a lot of great places to use it and just spectacular looking out that windshield seeing that beautiful long hood And then mountains in the I mean that would just be amazing

That's some roads I think in Arizona is really straight ones to like, you know, exercise the V-12 a little bit. But to that point, oh, no, he did see a bison. Look at that. But to that point, like he, like, I was, because I was curious about reliability, right? You're going to drive it that far.

That's a lot of, that's, I mean, that's a major that it needs before and after. Yeah, he must have serviced it during this trip. A little bit. So he needed, he blew through a set of tires, completely wore them out, not surprised, Pirelli's. And then he had a clogged AC line. that I'm packing up on it. But pretty minor stuff.

Like the car just like otherwise did it. And he must have also serviced. He must have done, I mean, 40,000 miles. He must have done an oil change, you know, and stuff like that. 14,000.

But yeah, beforehand, like I would imagine. And probably during, I think he did do maybe an oil change. But nonetheless, like the guy just went on and used the car. And I just think that is like so,

so cool. And yes, I know, like, obviously, I'm sure I picked up a lot of rock chips and need some cosmetic reconditioning though. But who cares? Like, I mean,

you're not going to go to your grave having, And he's going to have cool stories to shell and he like lived. And so I think it's just a cool reminder and I thought it was a really, really cool video. Philippo, the next time you debate whether you want to get a Miata or a Pujo 2-8 with a three-cylinder, keep in mind that you two could live, although I understand you don't wish to. Okay, we got to move on from the talk car segment and move on to the incredibly important market report. There is a lot of reporting that we have to do about the market.

The market report is brought to you by the convertible Toyota forerunner, which will be coming out. my guess is probably sometime in the next year in order for Toyota to distract us from the fact that they're not recalling hybrid power trains due to a small technicality. It existed. Don't forget. Yeah, so where is it again?

Jesus. Does Kenneth, are you aware it existed? No, I wasn't aware. Yeah, the original forerunner had a removable top. The original. It was really like a Tacoma with a removable top on the back in seats, but yeah. Exactly what it was.

Or pick up, I guess. Market report, we got to start with the E92. This was one of the greatest things ever happened. Kenon Pulp's E92. By the way, speaking of Ohio, this is where the E92 is going. Excellent. We sold this E92M3. It came in, and the fellow who bought it, he had owned it from new.

And I don't think he was really paying that much attention to the market because he was like, oh, my God. He wasn't like thinking he'd get big money. And I was like, this is a one-owner competition, final model, your 17,000 mile manual transmission, individual frozen silver. Like, this is the E92

to end all E92s. Sold for 97,500 United States dollars, which is over 100 grand with the fee. I did a video on it. I had a lot of fun in that car. I've been a long time-time

driven in E-92 M3, and I had a lot of fun in that car. I forgot how special it is to have a V8 in a car like that. Yeah. Incredible. It's, yeah, it's just a number,

like, this was, you're absolutely right. this is the car. Short of like a limerock with a manual and very low mileage, like this is it. But yeah,

I mean, the S65, it's so funny because they're so different compared to like my car. Everybody asked me if why didn't you get an M3. It's just revs. That engine just goes and goes and goes and goes.

You know what's interesting? I've always looked at the torque figure and looked at the torque peak at numbers and thought, well, an engine, it just doesn't have torque. And so it's a V8, but it doesn't behave like a V8.

I didn't feel that way when I drove it this time. For some reason, I'm not sure exactly why, but it felt like it was a little torqueier low than I remembered, maybe because I had remembered it being like an S-2000, and it was just better than my expectation. But I just really loved that car and that power train. It's a really nice situation. I don't blame me.

It's actually a more true, I would say, power, like for BMWs. Yes, it's V8, but BMW engines are about revs. Like the M-engines are high-revy, natural aspirates, like the best ones, I feel like that. And this, but, yeah, I mean, it is, I'm so glad this car got the appreciation I feel like it deserves. It's like, it's the one. It's just the one. Have you ever considered, Kenan, replacing your E-39M-5 for an E-90 M3 sedan? Yeah, LCI.

I have on occasion considered that, but I like torque. My motor's got torque. Your motor does have torque, but, man, that E-90. What a great player. So good. Great interior, great design. So, you know, Filippo. Never mind, you're not going to consider one of these ever.

No. But in those wheels, the competition wheels. Oh, one of the nice BMWs. wheels. Yeah, Filippo's not ready for it, but like a real adult who wants to get into a real sports car might be ready for it. I do love the E90. I think the E9.

The sedan looks better than the coupe. I think the coupe looks great, but I think the sedan looks really good. I think the convertible, as much as I prefer convertibles in every car, looked a little ungainly, which is unfortunate because they tried really hard to make it look coop-like, and I think convertibles are great, and I think that convertible in particular is a bargain. but it's a little weird looking, a little. Regardless, I'm not surprised to see a nice, but not perfect in that it has 17,000 miles. That's not incredibly low by closer standards.

The thing that hit me about this car. That's not that surprising. I agree with you. The thing that hit me about this car is that we are seeing in the exotic market a big rise in the, you know, the pre-hybrid, pre-automatic phase. All those cars are shooting to the moon. It's not just those. This car is proof of that. Like E-92 and 3 at $100,000 is something we all could have predicted,

but now is the day that it's happening. It's fine. Another car that I thought was interesting that sold this week for much more money than I was expecting was this Audi RS5. Pull up that RS5 there, Kenan. For a brief period, Audi made the RS5 with a big old V8. And the perfect one listed on our site, which is a low mileage with the V8 in this gorgeous blue color, C-Pang blue.

and it sold for $52,000, a lot more than I was expecting. And it's, again, I think the market is just really coalescing around these V8, these experiences. Yeah. I'm a little surprised by this one, because you can still replicate a V8 automatic experience. And so it's a little surprising to see what a Mustang? Sure. Or an MGGT, which is all $50,000 for a car that should be higher. premium in some way.

Yeah, this is an NAPA. Yeah, it's an NAA. The other thing to keep in mind is like this car had some mods on it, but a lot of these cars have a lot of mods on them these days. And also, in the final one with low-mage colors. Yeah, this has a good mods. I don't know. I continue to be interested in this

whole world. We called it years ago on this podcast and a lot of other videos, that this sort of mid-2000s or mid-2010 era where cars had N-AV-8s and big N-A engines before the before the hybrids, before too much complication, is going to be looked at as the 60s of our generation.

And boy, is that happening right before our eyes. I hope you all got in. You heard it here, yeah, and I still think there's probably room to get in, like, buy the cars that you love, like at the end of the day. If you can do it, buy them, because they might not get a second chance. Yeah, I mean, I definitely would not pay, buy a career of duty today. No, I mean, yeah, well, even my beloved 355, it's like, the gold 550 is like stuff, stuff like that has moved.

there are still bargains out there. This is a good example of that. So I think like these cars are really just really special. So you got to buy the good stuff while you can. Toyota's still not making a convertible forerunner, folks. This is the next best thing. Can I ask instead of the courage you team, would you buy? We have a Ferrari 330 P4 recreation.

Yeah, this thing is so cool. And it's so wild. Would you buy that instead? No, but I would not buy the couragey team. If the Ferrari V-12 to gain in 553 manual, it looks, I mean, correct. It's a little too unusable and excessive for me. I actually don't mind the really good Ferrari replicas. I just wouldn't want, that one's just a little too, like, crazy for me.

You know what I mean? I got the cool. I have a piece of grass. With the bubble windshield and look over those fenders. It's amazing, but I got the Kuntash. I wouldn't mind like a 250 short wheelbase replica. I would be interested in that. or a something like that.

Come up a G. Did you a 250 TR rep? I know that's kind of a, uh, a, let's on the edge. It's also pretty focused because there's no, there's no roof on that thing and all that, you know. That's right. But we live here. When you need a roof? You do.

I live here. Um, okay. We got any more market reports to talk about? I, I'm, I'm content to move on to question. We got to move on a question because even though we didn't, let me tell you what happened, folks. We put up a questions post this. week and it was Ryan Lopez who did it and he didn't turn the questions on he didn't turn on comments in fact he turned off comments and I discovered I came up with a thing about Ryan Lopez that

I think's going to be we got to we got to use from now on his slogan is almost Ryan Lopez almost yeah the marketing pitch the Madman pitch that is exactly what we would do I will defend Mr. Ryan Lopez because I think he did that while driving across the country in a model T and so that's got to mess with your brain in some ways. I used to do these posts and I once missed one by like an hour and I was apoplectically cross with myself.

Yeah, but Kenan, there were expectations for you. But for Ryan Lopez, remember, Ryan Lopez. Almost. Okay, so I want to move on to the questions. Somebody put up a privateer post and the questions were actually amazing. They were incredible questions. So we got good stuff.

And the first question is the best question from EVs and clutch pedals. Below are the 10 best-selling passenger vehicles in the USA last year. If you had to daily drive one for a year, what would it be? I'm going to read them to you. So that's the question. Think about it as I read you the cards. For a year.

Camry, CRV, Equinox, F-150, Model Y, RAM, Rav 4, Sierra Silverado, Tacoma. For me, it's undoubtedly the Tacoma. So I'm going to question on my mind. What about you guys? I like sedan, so it's probably going to end up being the Camry for me. The taco actually was the first, my gut was the first thing I thought I would use. But I've never had a truck. I don't know for you.

Wouldn't be a question for me? In fact, I wish they made a convertible one. I would have, what are you, the Cota sport? I would have an F-150 over the taco. By the way, the convertible Dakota didn't have to get a sport. You could get a standard regular without a convertible. Nobody did. You'd get an F-150?

Over, over a taco. I think I would go for a CRB hybrid. Okay. Or for 2026, the, Raff 4 GR hybrid. Yeah, that's a very exciting car. Kenan, what's your answer here? You would do Camry?

I don't know. I think I think I would do the camera. I love sedans and like the Camry is just... What are we in Toyota podcast? This is the same company that won't recall their hybrids. I didn't say a Toyota. You said the Toyota. What do you mean?

You just said the GR RAV four. You just said that. But I said the CRB hybrid first. I can't even remember what he just got. I like how the new RAV four looks. This is the level of effort that Filippe puts in a new. Yeah, he's here in Porsche land, but his mind is still in an answer. That's right.

That's all I got to answer a question about non-Portias. Ugh. Okay, next question. That's all I love. Next question, this is a good one. From Tall Guy Small Car, question for Doug. It's actually a question for all of us. You recently claimed the Lotus of Spree V8 is a cheap alternative to your Kuntash

that still gives a similar type of excitement and feel. I think that's true. You agree with that, Kenan, right? I agree with that, yep, still. Here's the question. What are some similar cheap alternatives to your other cars that offer a similar feel? your career GT or your 4GT actually the 4GT is that alternative

for the CareerGT in a way yeah I think another alternative I think an alternative for the Kuntosh another alternative for the Kuntosh as a Gallardo actually I think a manual Gallardo has a similar amount not the same but some gravitas

some craziness some wedge shape for a lot less money I think that that's another possibility Career GT is so defined by the precision of the car and the immense specialness of the power train that I honestly think

it's difficult to replicate cheaper. Like, yes, a Boxster Spider is also a mid-engine Porsche that has similar looks and is quick, but it doesn't, it's not even close to delivering what I think makes the Carrera GT

the Carrera GT, whereas I think a spree actually gets pretty close to doing what the Kuntash does, if I'm honest. And I don't really see a great career GT alternative. The 4GT is sort of,

but I'm astonished every time I drive. them back to back, you can tell why the 4GT was so much cheaper. Like, if I didn't love the 4GT and if I drove the Couragogyt a lot more, I would defo sell that 4GT. Like, it's just not on the same level. But I think it's hard to get on the same level. R.A is not a bad 4GT alternative for this question.

Yeah, it's a similar idea. Like CR1 or C7-Z6. Different, different, but like replacing. Similar idea. Like a supercar from a regular manufacturer is still a special car, still very fat, That's very cool. I think that's true. Viper, fifth gen?

Yeah. A good fifth gen Viper. Although a good fifth gen Viper is not that much cheaper than a 4GT. For a 4GT is still a fifth the price. A regular 5th gen, but like an ACR is like a half-core for a 4GT. That's too much. Forty is not that tracky. Yeah, that's true.

Those are, those are, I think an R-Aid is probably the best 4GT alternative. To me it's the same idea. It's a mid-engine. It was supposed to be a halo car. Pretty serviceable, pretty usable, pretty drivable, a lot of fun. I think that's like the answer to that. Courage of tea, I just can't come up with something really that captures like the essence of how I feel

when I drive that car. You got anything, Kenneth? No, I've been trying to think, because even from the Porsche world, like, Boxer Spider was the first thing I thought of, but, I mean, now it's, it's really hard. 9-11 ST, but it's not the same. A good thing of 4.0 kind of starts going down the road,

but that's a million bucks. I don't think it answers the question in the spirit of the question. That's a pretty good. It's less than half the cause. The question is being asked. I get it. I get it. Yeah.

Boxer Spider is the answer, though. For people that will never experience what you're describing, like, like, that comparison falls apart when you get to the specialness of the Kerr GT engine and power train and like the feel of being in that car with that shifter, wood, and up there, nobody's going to get to experience that. So if you don't know better. Yeah, I guess. Hell, if you don't know better, the CRV hybrid is actually the right.

No, we know that. Toyota should make a convertible forerunner. Right, on to the next question. From A.A. RAV 2020, Dear Doug, with another child on the way, do you think you'll use the Sequoia year-round now? Absolutely not. I wouldn't be quite dead driving that car. Even though I love it.

My wife and I have three-row station wagons. We're good. We're good. Felipe's got one, too. If we need to borrow one. Yeah, you got it. I have a more spacious third row we've tested and decided. What about the S-2-10?

That's a big butt. It's a big butt. It's a long, yes, voluptuous. Big butt. I love this next question. The next question, Dear Doug, with your growing family, a lot of growing family questions, don't you think it's time to get really serious about acquiring the Ital Design Columbus? You think toting kids around on a supra is cool?

Who could beat a two-story van? It's more of a split-level van, I would argue. That's a Polipo, no. He was from the... Filippo grew up in Wisconsin. He lived in a split level for God's sake. Never lived in a little level, but yeah. Yeah, but you had a walkout basement, I bet.

I bet you had one of those two. In Connecticut, we did. In Connecticut, damn, Felipe. The answer is, I tried to buy the Italis Line Columbus years ago. I got in serious emails with them, and they were like, we're not selling this. It's part of our heritage. And I'm thinking, isn't this part of your heritage that you maybe don't want to have any more? Like, really bad.

So Mercedes has, we talked to months ago about the VLS. Yeah. They're like a fancy van. First drives are out. People are vaguely into it. There's like a luxury version. The Telethers in Columbus would be like the ultimate family van for sure. Yeah.

So you should reach out again. What their suggestion was was they were said, hey, look, instead of selling you the one we have, we can make you, we can create one together. And I'm like, I'm not going to spend a million dollars creating a heinous van. you already did that. I now want to buy it for like $65,000, if I think is what it's worth. We might be at a price mismatch.

I would spend $200. I just have to wait for... Tel Design, folks, reach out. I got to wait for a tal design to get into dire financial straits, which you have to assume is not far off. It's shocking they're not already there. Yeah, I can't believe they want to hold on.

And then I swoop in as their savior in two ways. I give them cash, and I free up space and they can downgrade to a smaller office because that car takes up so much room. But you say that it's a van. I picture it more being like a Winnebago is the size I'm picturing. No, it's humongous.

It doesn't be 12 in the middle. Okay, next question from Barrett the Control 7, and this is a great question. Bear at the Control 7. Dear Doug, what's the best idea an automaker pumped loads of money into only to abandon it later? GM OnStar, right, Felipe? OnStar's still a thing. Oh, yeah. People using it, I bet.

I bet they're using it like crazy. I bet they're pushing the button. When you, it only, every manufacturer now, to be fair, they led the way. Every manufacturer has like an emergency response system now where in theory you can call it for like support. But it's really a you got into an accident, we'll call them. But remember, OnStar was supposed to be a savior. And I remember, I sold GM cars. And I remember people would come in and say that, but the Toyota has navigation.

And we'd say, you don't need navigation. We have OnStar. Yeah, answer's not a bad one. I really thought you were going to say quadristeer when you said GM. I don't think that much money went into quadraster. Quadrude steer is now on every luxury car. Every luxury car. Once again, general orders paved the way, and the Euro trash was well behind them.

Was the question just, was it just one manufacturer, like what they did? The car that comes to mind that never became a car to me was Apple pursuing doing a car themselves. They pumped millions and millions of dollars in that and never went anywhere. And then Johnny went and gave us the luce. Which is maybe why Apple didn't do it. That that's the smarter decision than a brand putting a ton of money into a car that then is, and everyone knows it's going to be a total flop, but they sort of get to this point. But yes, it's a lot of money and it went nowhere.

I think that the Fisker, Oshitz, California mode. Wasn't that much money independently, but there's a lot of windows with motors. I don't think that was the, I don't think that was a big part of that. the financial. It was the embezzlement. All of their marketing. I mean, there's been a lot of dumb marketing things that were really big components of cars that nobody ended up caring about that much.

Envoy XUV. Stuff like that. Yeah. But I think OnStar is a really, is a really, um, OnStar is a good answer. It was like, it was like the heart of their marketing for like 20 years that they have this. Run and Flats also sort of come to mind.

Run. In the 2000s did run flat tires that had a lot of trade-offs, but wouldn't go flat. They still do, by the way, off that. But for a while, Toyota on the Sartagnan Honda on the Odyssey also had run flats that everybody had issues with. There was a lot of investment in how can we make these tires be safer, not have punctures, not. And nobody really bought it. Like, I mean, people bought it, but nobody bought it like mentally. If they could have avoided buying it, they would have.

Every single Odyssey buyer would have avoided it. And now every Odyssey is on rims from that. era. The ones that haven't launched their transmissions are on rims so that people can avoid the run flat tires. Okay, that's a good question. Next question from Barrett the Control 7 again. You're Doug, when you went to GM to review the Cadillac Voyage, did you ask the people from GM what happened to the Cadillac 16 concept car from 2003? I reviewed the Cadillac Voyage concept car there at GM. They have all the concept cars. It's just that not all of them run. That was why I had to choose the voyage. I would have chosen a bunch of other ones, but a lot of the other concept cars just, just either never ran or only ran like with a remote control and a small battery or something,

or they just don't. They're not operant. And so I think that I could have done a lot of concept cars if I was willing not to drive it. But graciously, they actually let me drive this thing, which was part of the fun of the review. That's why I chose the. That was one of the reasons why I chose the voyage. Next question from D underscore 4BES. Dear Doug, as you mentioned recently, you're not keeping any of your cars forever.

You've historically been the leading voice of no reserve and have sold all your cars, no reserve on cars and bids. Will you sell the career GT no reserve when the time comes to depart with it? Heck, yeah. Yep. But I have a suspicion that the world will be different when it's time to sell the career GT. You know what I mean?

Will cars and bids still be around? Will Felipe? Man, do they're deep philosophical questions? You never know. Like, we're talking 20, 25 years. Like by then, maybe online car auctions have gone away and all cars are sold via chip implanted in your brain. Actually, that's Filippo's dream,

because then he can just imagine, that's what he does. He imagines what the car is like, doesn't have to own it, and he gets that philosophical and the sort of experience out of his system. That's interesting. Yeah. Hopefully we don't have a need for cars. Oh, hopefully not even have a need for a car. An hour and a half into this week's podcast.

And that'll be like some slightly antipar. In 25 years, we as a society will no longer need cars. And how many years? 25 was the number. Is that where you're getting rid of the Curricy T? Well, I don't, I don't think it's going to be, like, I don't think it'll keep it forever. But I have a suspicion that's going to stick around for a while. Don't you think?

I don't know, man. Yeah. Right now your Curitia 2 is worth what? 2 million-ish. I don't know what values are at. But like it becomes the 3, 4, 5. Can you still drive it? Can you still decide to own it? I don't know. Yeah, that'll be hard. I mean, it'll depend a lot of my financial situation.

As the poorest career GT owner, at some point I'll have to make a decision as to whether I'd rather have the money liquid. Okay, final question, final question, final question, final question, final question. From underscore Nick, dear Doug, now that you're back on cars, would you take another run at the Gilmore Girls Jeep? It's just down the road in Connecticut. Folks, I've talked about this on this podcast. One of my great heartbreaks in life is that the people who owned the Jeep from Gilmore Girls will not sell it to me. I made them a nice offer.

I made them another nice offer. I then went to their house with weaponry. Oh, my God. No, they never have sold it to me. Filippa, what do you think? I was thinking about this the other day because I'm getting out of this G-wagon and I got to get a Jeep or something.

And that car is just sitting. It's sitting probably. 120 miles from me. What do I view? When was the last time you reached out to the fine people of Gilmore Girl's Jeep? All right. It's last message to them was in April of 21. Maybe it's worth a little.

It's been five years. It's worth a little. The situation has changed. COVID happened. Well, COVID was happening then. Still happened. I do want the Jeep. still, Felipe, do you think I should pursue that?

Absolutely not under any circumstances. Should you? But I suspect you should at least email. I'm going to have 10 cars here in just a second. And you haven't seen some number of them. You've forgotten what it's like to have that many, I feel like you. You specifically said you didn't want to pare down and get rid of cars and have a simple life.

And I did. For a long time, you know, it's funny. The people on the internet complain about the stuggo said he was off cars, not even by his car. So remember, I was off cars for three years. And I did. I was really committed to that. And I did pair way, way, way down.

And we got down to six, I think, at one point. And now we're back up to 10. What are you typing, Flee? Are you looking up to Gilmore? Can you, no. Can you remind us of the 10 cars? Can you list them? Can you keep track of all of them?

Okay. You do it. Are they all public? I've been gone for a couple weeks. They're all public, except the 10th one I haven't bought yet and haven't really committed to yet. So I'm counting that in my mind because I think I'll have them all at the same. time. I have a

Grar GT. You have a 4GT. You got the Kuntash. Yeah. You got the 9-11 turbo. Yeah. You got the G cabrilele still. Yeah.

You have the Supra. You have the 210. You have the 213. You have the sequoia. Yeah. And then a mystery 10th car that I'm going to get in pretty soon. That's 10.

That's a problem. Jesus. Yeah, it's a problem. But you got like six, dude. So come up. You got like at least six. Four. You know, Kenan keeps it simple. I always have.

I always have. Although now I have customer cars that are coming, which is a whole other thing. Yeah. He's got in 19 and 5 and he keeps it simple. Simple. I think that's a good note to end on. That's the end of our podcast today. Kenan, do you have any final parting thoughts for us? Well, I'm just very happy that Felipe was back, although not back. He's back, but not here. I was home. I saw you in person, Kenneth. We did have dinner the other night. It was lovely. I'm thrilled to these. I'm in some Porsche studio ready to wax poetic about the difference between the 964 speedster and the nine.

Just so people know, if anybody is here, I've been in New England, we have a great event. Saturday, tomorrow, if you're listening to this, when it comes out, at the large. All the spots for cars are taken, but we have still space for spectators, so come on by. Hey, what kind of car? Come say how to me and tell me that you, you, you what cars you got? You got anything really good? Honestly, yes, it's absolutely wild. I don't have it in front of me, but it's a wild, wild, wild list of cars.

Do you have... Anderson is no joke. It's a great facility and, like, great people there, but also, like, this event. You know, what we have... We have a blue TdF scuteria, which is exciting, but we also have a Project 8. Oh, my God, is that first? And a Project 7 and another Project 8. What color is the Project 8, and is it Cat or Cat or Cat Delete?

I will tell you on Saturday. I'm dead serious. I want you to talk to that person. I'm not screwing with you. I'm interested. Also, do you have a Hyundai Scoop? I haven't looked. I'll be honest. This is the one time that I did not make the like breakout of who goes with what you want. Okay, well control F on the list for scoop. It's S-C-O-U-P-E. I'm looking. I'm looking. It's not scoop like an ice cream. Now, by the way, British viewers are going to be watching and saying it's S-Coupé. No, no. That's what they marketed as in Europe.

In the States, it was called the scoop. Spelled the same. I swear to God. Are there any? I don't see any on this sheet. Another bad event from Cars and... All right, I hope to see a lot of you have that event, though. Glarz Anderson, go see, Felipe. If you have the Project 8 and you're going, for God's sake, I want to buy it if it's bright blue and it has a cat on the side.

And then... Is Cat-Dolete 11 cars? If it's Cat-Delete Low Wing, like, why not just get a regular X-E, dude? Uh, Goodbye. Pleasure. Goodbye.