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and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippo. And today we're going to talk about cars. Woo! Now, I am on vacation when we are filming this episode, so we are not going to do the news. We've pre-recorded this, and we're just going to get into automotive thing. Okay.

Let's go. Let's get started with Kennan's most recent thoughts. Yeah, so, you know, I've been considering getting another car, as I've talked about many different cars. and I realized as I started doing some research for a video I'm going to do talking about five cars like in that price range maybe I should just get a 9-11 like I could get a 997 Carrera S for 45

Can I list the cars that you're considering otherwise? They're all insane but yeah they're very Car's that I've heard Ken and talked about recently Vantage VIPERA and Avora So all cars have 40 grand range Yeah exactly 40 to 45 very widely varied in that In those three alone I'm looking for a different

You either want a V10 power to American car that doesn't have a window, doesn't have windows or really a roof. Yes. Or you want a V8 Vantage. Yes. Or you want a V-A V8 Vantage. Yes. Or you want a V8 Vantage. And a 9-9-96 turbo. All cars that you're... And you know what? They were all different experiences. And it was worth having all of them for a brief period. Right. And I think what you want to do is probably just something. Just one of them. Yeah. Just Like, just like, well, that's the thing. At this point, I'm, like, kind of just waiting for one of them to show up, to be honest. Do you have, well, Cars have a bit search alert set up for each of these?

Absolutely. I thought you only had Boxer's better. No, I have them, I have them. I have them set up. What do you mean waiting for one of them to come up? Plus, I have no offense. I also just look and intake and see what's coming, and I wait for it to arrive on the site. And so, but, no, I have, like, all, I have, like, I have alert set up, like, everywhere.

Like, I'm just waiting for the car to show up. There's a nice Kman-S on the site in California right now. What are your, your Porsche, no, 11? I think. You only want a 9-11. You don't want to screw with that mid-engine crap or targa. No, because the thing is, like, my goal, I mean, the objective is to still get to a Boxster Spider. Like, that's the car I really want.

I just don't want to spend $100,000 right now. And so getting a Cayman is just, like, too similar. Too similar. Well, so then just buy a Cayman. Buy a Camden, then you're not a hundred grand. Yeah, but the spiders, like, the spiders is much more special, and it's a much different experience. I'm looking for something, I want, this is an interim, period. The Boxer Spider is where we're going.

You know they're going to go on with a portion. So you decide in the meantime, I should have a Porsche. Well, the 9-11 is a little different. Here's a different suggestion. Right now on the site, which admittedly it will be long sold when this airs. But right now on the site, pull it up. There's a 996 turbo cab with a six-speed manual in 113,000 miles. This is going to sell for the right money for you.

It really will. And it's in Northern California. Interesting. Yeah. You're not buying it. Stick, turbo. The turbos didn't have the reliability. That's got a reserve, though.

I can't bet on it. Tell the guy to pull the reserve if you want to throw some cash in. This is a car. I owned one of these and I loved it. Loved it. Look at those wheels. Yeah, look at those wheels. Look at that wide body. Yeah.

Yeah. Looks well presented. I think that's the thing like I'm looking for is, again, the base is the M5, which is good at all things. And honestly, if I just have that, I'm pretty happy with it. This would be the perfect compliment to the M5. And back in 03, if you had a, oh, back in 03, if you had a garage that had these two cars in it, you would be the king. King, yeah. The absolute king.

Now, I will say, if you scroll down to the known flaws for this card, those two and a number. It does have some misting from the passenger side differential flame. Oh. Why do we record things like this? Because it was noted on a service thing when it was in for service and so we have to. That's why. I mean, I don't, to be honest with it, it's like, yeah, that's quite a way to describe it.

But I know what that means, but yeah, that was definitely noted on the service. Passengers side front window automatic drop does not function from inside handle. What handle does it function from? probably did. Oh, it's also probably something because on the convertibles, the window drops to seal with the top.

I assume like the auto down. Yeah, yeah, all right. It functions from the outside handle but I guarantee that it was something the seller reported until we had to. You can take care of all this stuff for about four grand, including tires, which is probably half that in its own.

Yeah, and it's a pretty good car. It'll make a big difference to how it drives. This is, that's not about... It's difficult for you to live with a black car because I'm so OCD about my paint. Doesn't want the white vantage I found him. doesn't want this. Well, the white venture, I admit, was a mistake, despite the fact that had a blue steering wheel.

You know, a viper ended on the site just 17 days ago for 42 Gs. Convertible Viper. That wasn't a first gen. Yeah, but it was an SART 10. He would have had 9,000 horsepower. Except for the 5th gen, all Vipers are 40. That's not actually true, but it's not that far. The pictures are 150.

Yeah. Well, you know. It's not, you're not that wrong. What were you considering? Sorry, what Porsche's came to mind for you? You said a 997S. Well, I was kind of thinking like, what was the, The best, like, nine, well, with the 9-11, I feel like a coop is the right choice.

Like, a cab is going to be kind of floppy. Like, it's just, but maybe I'm wrong. It's a 9-11 compared to your floppy 355. It's going to be great. Yeah, well, exactly. I already went through this and it was a floppy. Don't buy a few body, but otherwise you're good. Yeah, the 355 is like having two bricks attached with a plan.

I had, I had five 997 tabriolets when I worked at Porsche's company cars. He just kept crashing them. I crashed one of them. How long did you work there for? Well, we traded every six months. And so I had a, well, no, I had, I'm sorry, I had four 997 cabs in a Panama GTS. And they were great. The, the 9-11s were great.

The Panama was great. I also had a two-liter jetta. All of them were great. Something for you to consider. Two-liter jetta. They're not floppy. Then thinking about it all. Well, okay, maybe, yeah, I just don't.

The problem, like I said, is I've lost my North Star. So, and this is a weird interim period. And I think you should have them all. Kenon, yeah, yeah. Over the next six years, you should buy all these cars, Montana them. So you don't, and then just flip them, get in and out of them. Despite that you disavowed it. Yeah.

Yeah. I dissed out it for the viewers. But for you. No, I make an exception for Kenner. You get my point, though. I think you should buy out of the car is relatively cheap. Try to keep your cost out of it. Here's the issue.

Kenon will invest money in it. You just will. Kenon will try to make the car perfect. The car will be made perfect. There's a lesson there that he will learn, which is don't do that. And I needed to learn that lesson. In the early lesson, it worked out for him. Yeah, I've been rewarded for my lesson.

Yeah, but he knows he got lucky. Not really on your E36, though. No, not on the E36, but that was too far gone. Like, that car was, I did everything I could. But nonetheless, I guess the reason it is so varied is because I know where I'm going, but I have time to get there. And so, like, in the meantime, it would be fun to have something that's not going to break down and costing a ton of money and stuff like that.

But I can still, like, have a differing experience to the M5, and on the weekends grab the keys to something different. And all the cars you're thinking about, I think I'll do that. And I drove the V-A advantage yesterday for a video that's coming out shortly, and, oh, man, it's just lovely. What a great car. On the subject of fun rear-wheel drive cars, can we discuss one of my favorite topics? Please, sure.

Takeovers! Oh, great. Well, I don't want to get into takeovers themselves, but I do want to talk about, we see all- Describe what they are. Okay, takeovers are- For people like your dad. At night, in areas that people who complain about takeovers don't go to, some people will, like, slide their cars around the intersection.

The cars are often stolen. and they usually run into people and hurt them severely, and then eventually someone fires shots and the whole crowd disperses. Is this an accurate assessment of what a takeover is? That's what I understand for instance again. Now, given Doug's normal accuracy, that's perfect. That's about what it is. Now, the thing I wanted to mention here is when I was a kid,

cheap rear-wheel drive cars that people talked about were the AE86 Corolla that was in the 80s and the 240SX. And presumably the CrownVic. Yeah, but they didn't have that much power. And they were all autos. Now it's become interesting. to me, what I've started to realize is G35s, G30s,

350 Zs, 370s, and Genesis Coops. Yeah, Genesis Coops. Sheep Rear Wheel Drive cars. This is like the new generation of the, you can slide them around, you can get them, you can buy them cheap, they're pretty reliable, you can beat on them. Like, this is the car for this crowd now, the cheap rear wheel drive, like, slide it

around and be an irresponsible teen. That's like what that is. You're right. Yeah, you're spot on. What are these things cost? Like eight, prior. six. I mean, for like established titled one. Yeah, and that's what they want, right?

They just want like something they can like screw I don't care. That's like the thing. To be fair, even Nice Jones's coupes are presumably 12th. And I know that G's

have always kind of had this rep, but like they are really sliding into this rep more. They're getting really cheap. Nice. They're getting, they're getting damaged. But like,

it was a cheap rear wheel drive car. And now it's a really cheap rear wheel drive car. Yeah. And this is the official car of the takeover. Can you, so up till I think,

five years ago in like a nice suburban neighborhood. You'd see a G35. Like it would be like a round. Yeah. Some nice older couple would own it. Yeah. Is that still true? Well,

that's what happens. That's the great transfer is the 240SXs when I was a kid were owned by like women who thought they were like were divorced and thought they were kind of sporty and like bought it. That was like, you know, eventually she gets old and it sells on Craigslist to a kid who's been drifting in it and it's got it's on its fourth motor. Right. That's what's happening. That's a great point. Yeah. walk around my neighborhood, there are still

G37. And a G37 still looks acceptable. It looks acceptable today. Give it three more years. You know, you get to that point. And those people are starting to unload them. And the transfer is now happening. The early ones are already Yeah, G35s are done. Done. Kind of, yeah.

The G37, which was like 07, I think. Oh, 9. That's still okay. Yeah. I don't disagree with anything you said. Incredible. The Genesis Coupe, like that was a cool, desirable car that, like a normal person would buy when it came out. Now it is for takeovers and plasticity.

So we're seeing the change of the guard. Right. And this is the new guard. What is next? And I got to tell you, 240SXs were pretty uncommon when I was a kid. Gs are everywhere. Like this generation actually has access to a wider range of cheap rear-wheel drive, reliable, powerful cars than any previous gen, which is probably why there are so many takeover. What do you think of the next?

I mean, challengers. Challenger. Chargers. Yeah. There's still a little bit more expensive. if you want to get a nice, like a V8 one with, that's like cool. Still more chance. It's more than a $6,000 G35.

I have said this and I will say it again because I want to, you know, we're going to note this underscore this. M4 have kind of become that. I think that every M4 you see a takeover on Instagram. I think it is. I see more M4 as being like, you know, white line certified on Team Nohese, just like splitting traffic in. Right, but like it's only a matter of time before they crash that,

salvage titled. and then the problem is that all of those cars the m4s the m3s etc are always going to be more expensive to own to buy and to maintain whereas you can get into a g and for like probably four grand with a salvage title and like badly mismatch panels you can you can go to a couple takeovers run over a couple people and then abandon it and you're kind of like i feel like we should say we don't condone no takeovers for insane but this is the car of this activity right so if you want to participate in something that we don't condone well i don't think you need us to tell you what car to buy i think you I don't think you're listening for two seconds. True, good point.

Okay, Philippo, can you give us something interesting? Yeah, can we talk about Maserati Grand Tourism? Maserati Grand Tourism. You don't think that they're beautiful. Canon does. The general populace thinks they're. Most people, I will concede that the general feeling is that they're attractive. They're cheap.

We know that. I know, but for a higher mileage ones, we're in the high teens. I think we've sold ones in the low 20s, but you can find them in high teens. I remember this one. Open up that 18251. This one sold for 18250. It's a great sounding V8. It's a great sounding V8.

It looks exotic, much more so than a 996, 9-11, which doesn't look exotic. Is this the cheapest way you can convince non-car enthusiasts that you're rich? Is it the cheapest way? Truly. If you are a car enthusiast and you want people that aren't. are enthusiasts to think that you're Belli Arnage No, good no,

Belly Arnage is just And also, I don't think 15. But I think that non-enthusband will think that you're rich But it's like a different kind of rich. Yeah, I don't,

I think that a non-car enthusiast with a Bentley or Nage versus a grand Turismo would probably actually think the Grand Turismo person is rich. And also it's a very different in life like, if not rich are younger and rich. I still get, like,

old and rich. I still get people text me who don't know anything about cars but know me, be like, hey, I saw Maserati today. Yeah. And I'm like, no. I'm sorry.

I think you might be right To convince non-car people that you're rich And like sporty Yeah the previous Maserati Coupe What are Ghibli's? Ghibli is not a bad option Gibles is almost there Yeah I mean we're 16

Yeah Ghibli But like a grand tourism is like Ghibli is like I'm a realtor A grand tourism is like I'm a successful realtor without kids I'm a successful orthodontist I agree

Right You definitely It still looks way newer than 15 years old Yeah that's true A Tudor car in general provides more of appearance of wealth and coolness. You were saying the previous coup, the grants or a coup. It's not an attractive car. 15.

Yeah, but like nobody thinks that you're, like, we've sold them for a lot less than 15. The reality is that somebody thinks that's poop, nobody thinks that you're rich. Yeah. I don't, you know,

I don't know what people think necessarily because I drove that one around. And it was unbelievable the amount of attention it got. Yeah, but like people like, 10 on 10 looked and took pictures. What? The Grand Turismo, though, pictures?

Yes. The Mazzarity Coop? Yes. Why? Why? This neighborhood. I don't know. The Grand Tourismo, though, definitely has more presence than this.

I agree. I think this is a better looking car. Wow. Most people don't agree with that, but I do. No, I agree with no single human with eyes. The Grand Treesma. But the Grand Tourismo definitely has more presence. It's bigger, it's longer.

It has more, like, bulbous angles. Yeah. When I was in college, there was one parked outside of the business school every day. And I could, like, it, like, fit in there. Damn. I was in college at art business school. Someone had a Maserati Coup parked there every day. The previous one.

But, like, it's like clearly a poser that, you know. Right. But like, it looked fittingly there. Pull up that in church. You could come across as rich. It's leather. Look at that. It looks nice.

It does look nice. I mean, of course, I'm sure all the plastics have turned to goo. Also, they're not known for being reliable, but they're not that unreliable. We get them with miles. How unreliable could they be? I don't think they're that unreliable. Extract the key. Extract the key.

You have the variator issue, I think, at some point. But these were made all the way through, like, yesterday. Right. So, I mean. Some would say they're being made. They're still being made. The brand new one looks exactly the same for 250 grand. Kenan, you should get this if it had a stick.

If it had a stick. Yep, that's the thing. I don't want to give up the manual. Yeah. It's got on a one. Imagine if that kit existed, this was a six speed would be so cool. It'd be cool if you could get it for 18. Yeah.

But you wouldn't be. With a manual transmission, that would be a really cool car. Rowing your own. You wouldn't be able to get it for 18. No. I totally did. It's a good car. They're fun to drive.

They're just. You still think they're pretty. Interesting. I don't think they're attractive. But they sound great. Everybody else things are attractive. Everybody else thinks so. And it's a Maserati from like a...

It also drives better than you to see the thing. It's tight. It's a tight car. It handles surprisingly well considering how bulbously... Maybe I should buy a Maserati. There's still a lot of Ferrari development underneath. Like, don't forget. Like, they don't mess around.

It sounds like that. And it does. Yep. Yeah, no, they're cheap. And is that the cheapest way you can look rich... Yeah. I think it is. To a not car.

To a non-car enthusiast. What about one of those 90s? rolls as you can get for eight. Actually. I've been thinking about that. Like, I think it's a different image of wealth. But that, those 90s roles that you can get for eight are pretty

cheap. I think this is an easier way for eight grand. I don't think that makes you look rich the same way. This looks dated. I don't know. I think the kind of person thinks a grand tourism buyers rich thinks of buyers. This car also has a certain

stance on the road that's like, it stands out from other cars. Like, it doesn't look like it. I don't think it sounds the right message. I don't think it's right message. No, you're wrong. It doesn't send the right message to you, but to the type of person you're talking about... Plus, this is half the price of the Grants case.

That's a fair point, but I think that it's half the rich feel. To the type of person you're talking about who doesn't understand what actually... This car has just as much... This looks a little bit too 2004 rich. No. The Grants'Rizzo looks... Yeah, you're right, a little more, but it's still rich, rich, and people just think these people are rich. You drive around on a quadru-porte people think you're rich, even though this one cost $9,100 U.S.

Yeah. And it had the ZF. It was quite the deal. Truly. Kenan, what else you got for us here? Well, so you and I recently shared a great experience of taking the Courage ET on a serious drive,

a mountain road drive. And I got to experience that car. Yeah, it was beautiful. I mean, it was freezing, but it was beautiful. And currently you have the top on this car. Rare.

You seem to, well, you're going to leave it there for a while. Because when we put it on out of necessity, because it was legitimately 37 degrees. Right. We were like freezing. We put it on.

It's like, this is amazing. You said it drove a lot better. I said it sounded a lot better because you could hear the engine. It was amazing. Carbon fiber roof panels. But as I was thinking about it, the drive there, pretty normal.

The drive back, pretty normal. The drive I've experienced around town, pretty normal. The Kuntosh at the same speed just around town is wild. At 40 miles an hour, you can have the full Italian car experience. Whereas in the Curry GT, it had to be pushed on a mountain road and those with the top on, in a very specific set of circumstances to really, enjoy it. The cars are also 20 years apart.

Well, this applies, it doesn't matter. Like, it really doesn't matter. Like, the experience of the Italian car, like an Italian exotic car at lower speed is greater to me, I think, than pushing a German car. I think German cars are better to drive. An FAA. A bad.

Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it. German cars are better to drive. Italian cars are better to experience. The Kuntash, it doesn't matter what you're doing or where you're going. You're in an unbelievable life situation. It's a ridiculous thing to drive around. That's right. It makes me happy every time. Your point in one of the level of it?

A 959 isn't that. Which would probably be the closest like German. A Merciago and that. Mercier is like an experience. It's like, oh my God. That's a good point. Then that car it's like. Now, the benefit is, the flip side benefit is that

German cars are more usable in regular situations. Absolutely. And that's one of the things about Porsches that has always hit me. I'm not a Porsche guy. I don't consider myself a Porsche guy. I've owned 5-9-11. And worked for the company.

Porsche's in my entire life. Sorry, I leased five different 9-11. Well, I had company cars when I worked for Porsche, but I don't consider myself Porsche guy. I've only had two. Do you consider the Mercedes 500E a Porsche? I do not. And by the way, I've had like 11 Mercedes.

But I remember when I had those company car 9-11s, I always, and I got out of them, I was always trying to replicate the experience that a Porsche gave you, and I had a Lotus E lease, and I had the 4GT, and I had a Cadillac CTSV. And no car quite can do the whole gamut of everything quite like a Porsche. I agree. But that sort of goes to the point. It doesn't give you an experience. A 9-11 doesn't give you an experience when you're just commuting it.

And I think that's where people get the realization that it's so good, it's boring. That's often what I hear people level at Porsche. It's like, it's just so good. But I think that the Porsche is probably the best generalist of them all as far as sports cars go. But Italian cars specialize

and they do it really well in a completely different way. That's totally true. And when I get out of the Kuntash having driven, I drive it twice a week, give or take, right? When I get out of it, I'm like, all right, I'm good for a while. I don't need to get back in this. Meanwhile, right now, I'm like, all I want to do is get back in. Career GTs are such a fun car to use and to drive when I'm able to really use it.

Kuntash, you've had the experience, and it tires you out, and it's ridiculous and it's insane. Exactly. Do you think that that's still true in newest cars? So, Lamborghini fundamentally, Volkswagen Group product. I drove the STO, and I drove an F8 relatively recently, and the ETH, and the ETHERRELT, and the ETH F-8 I felt like I described it as the most usable, unusable car that I've ever driven, because it's just so much power and it's kind of

insane. The STO I got out of it, and it was like the Kuntosh, and I was like, I'm good, I'm done. I think that's probably true of the insane ones like the STO and SVJ. I think the regular -ish ones, I mean, there's no way a Portafino gives you the experience of Kuntas. You know what I mean? Right. I think

that is going more towards the world of Porsche for sure. But I think the general point you're making is exactly right. And that's why it's good to have both. And I was last night I was thinking a lot about F40 and whether I should have just done that, et cetera. I continue to think, like, this is the right... It's the right mix for you. It's the right setup.

Like, I'd rather have both experiences. And the... Having just the old Italian car really compromises what you can do. I've driven that car 3,200 miles, and there is no way that ever would have happened in an F40. I just think it's funny, though, that, like, you're still rationalizing. It's still sticking with you. But you know what would have happened? If I bought the F40, I would be thinking, I wonder if I should have gotten that career, DT.

And I would have the same... That's the other direction. The paint is always shinier on the other car. Yeah, I think that's true. But I think your point is exactly right. I don't agree. Which is why you should have both. And you have a German car right now.

Oh, so perhaps. Well, I own an Italian car. It almost killed me. There's something to do that. I would like to briefly talk about, speaking of buying cars, I do not want to buy any cars. I will not be buying any cars. I have no interest in buying any cars. How much money do you want to?

Huh? Do we want to put a while? I did this before I won the moral high ground. You bought two cars when you said that you won't. I will not buy any cars. However, I kind of want, if I was going to do it, the car I want to get is a 99 or a C43 AMG wagon. Can you pull this up? No one knows what this is.

Or a 2001 E55 wagon. Oh, which I think we've sold an E55 wagon. We sold a 99. I don't like the C43. Oh, look at this. I just, that's what I want. Look at that. Oh, I want that so much.

I'm not buying any cars. I am done with cars. but if I wasn't done with cars But if all of these fell into your lap You know how you loved your RS2 Right, wait right You did it

No I didn't love the RS2 You would like this more I don't know this car solves some issues the RS2 had Oh yeah for example You don't have to worry about Shifting your own gear Well the real issue was the RS2 was Did you really want a third Mercedes-Benz

Okay can I tell you to see you're sitting here This car which obviously we all agree is beautiful Flaired Rockers Beautiful car I did this car This car straight swap for the E55 motor from the same area I know.

Straight swap. Yep. The guys can do it in a day. Yeah, absolutely. So it has 302 horsepower in C-43 configuration. You put it in the 55 motor, you get 362 horsepower. In this little guy, that's pretty cool. That is pretty cool.

It's a lot of power. Modified. And it's a fantastic motor. Heart transplant. It is the greatest motor of all time. I'm more supportive of your E-55 wagon. All right. Pull up an 01-E-55 way.

Unfortunately, you've got to wait another two years. So these are legal in 99 form, but there were. was a facelift in 2000 that made them a lot more desirable, which is what I would want to get. And so that's the 99. Don't click on it. Don't even look at it. I don't want it to be seen. Click on that one.

What was the facelift? This one, here. Oh, a ton of stuff. The 99s are not what I'm looking for. Look at that. Now, the problem I have of this car is it's not attractive. It is really, but it's really long. It's a better car.

It's a better car. We can all agree that the back is way too long. But I think that that makes it charming. And like, it looks like a hurt. Why does a hearse have a 5.4-liter V8? He already has established he likes ugly Mercedes. The G-Cab is not, the G-Cab is not exactly good looking. But wouldn't you love a V8 powered hearse?

And you don't understand how good this motor is. This is the only car I've ever owned where I never worried. I started it every time. It always ran. It was incredibly, incredibly powerful. You got an E-55 sedan. I had an E-55 sedan, yes, a long time, which was sold in the U.S. This was not sold in the U.S., which is why...

I love that generation of 85-inch. The 210s? Yeah. Two-10s are great. It was just the best motor. It was a good era of Mercedes, too. think about how good that motor was and I had my car a CD player and I had only one CD and I just

all I listen to is that CD. Jimmy World. It was an Augustana album and and to this day I, when I hear those songs I associated it with driving around in my E55. It was so good. Can't Love Can't Hurt was the CD. Okay. Wait, what would it?

I'm not doing it. I'm giving this to you. You want a split C? You do it. Yeah. Yes. Yes. If you do this, you got to get a silver face list. How much is an E50? I mean, we've got to wait two more years. No, you've got to wait. It's not even that long. The facelift was in 2000. Oh, it was in 2000?

Why did you need a thousand one? You don't. 2000 works. So 2000, or a 1 or 02. Those were the years of it. One more year. It's not even really that one more a year because they probably started making them in late 99. It goes on the date of production, which by month.

So theoretically, we might even be able to slide one of these in in like six months. I don't want to do any of the work. I would legitimately consider it. Great. Okay. Felipe, I'm surprised you would legitimately consider it. Okay.

Okay. It is now time to move on from the automotive topics and on to the market report. Market report. Things that are happening in the car market. Kenan give us something interesting. Yes. So very recently on Cars and Bids, we sold a Mini Cooper,

John Cooper Works GP2, which is a very special car. Take me through the GPs. I did the new one. So there's GP. He's typing out. John Cooper worse. It was sold yesterday. It's a lot.

I want all of them to show you, to make my point here. Oh, sure, sure. Okay, so the first gen was 06. And they were they made 2,000 GPs. Then the second gen is 13, and then the newest one is 21. Yeah. And there's only been three. That's right.

That's right. I've only been three. And the one I'm talking about specifically is the second generation car, the GP2, as it's known. I think for $25,000-dollar, that might be one of the most exciting cars that you can buy. Like, that to me, I drove that car. That's the most fun car I've driven at least a year.

It was, you can rinse that little car on a tight background, which I did. I drove it to Rancho Santa Fe to drive on the roads that we like. And it was, I was nailing apex.

Me, old Kenan, was nailing these apexes in the corners of it. I was like, woo, I was like losing my mind about how good it was. And it's front wheel drive. And it doesn't feel that way. The differential is very trick in this car.

Belightly balanced. Brilliant chassis. For all the crap that, you know, when Minnie came out, everybody loved Minnie. And now enthusiasts give Minnie so much crap because the cars have gotten big. But these are still an absolute treat. It was a dollar. The drawback is. Yeah, only 500 for the U.S. market.

The drawback is. It's a hot hatch. So you get the practicality and the performance. Well, no, actually. No, you get the practicality. You do get a hatchback. You can put stuff in it as long as it's not, you know, so long that it interferes with the chassis brace. that's buying.

It's such a cool car. So they only sold 500 of these in the States? That's correct. Yeah, it was limited production of 500 of the US. And I think two thousand total or something. The first one, they sold 2000. I think that's 21. Because the 21, you know, was individually numbered on the fender.

Yeah, these are individually numbered. Three thousand. These are individually numbered, I believe, on the roof. What? What? The one I reviewed had a number. On the outside of the roof? Yeah.

The one I did a video on hold on was this one. And it had the numbers on the outside of the roof. roof. Let me see if I can find the picture. There it is. Zero, eight, one. So, because I think they built $2,000 for the world, 500 for the U.S. Where is the... Where is this on the car? This is, like, above the

door when you get in on the driver's side. Go back to the... This is pretty clearly America-themed. Yeah, so they must have numbered it for America. Yeah. Because, again, 500 for the... Do you think that the, like, Italian market ones, the three that they sold...

Had an Italian-fine-chicular. Yeah. Interesting. That would be kind of cool. That would be kind of cool. But nobody... I agree with you. These cars are super fun for the money, they're super fun. You also probably don't lose much in them. Minis have some reliability questions

that people wonder about. They do have some stuff, yeah, that you have to know a really good BMW mechanic, basically. Why don't you get one of these? I could, I guess, but I kind of really

would prefer a convertible if I can. You don't own a... Have you ever owned a frontal drive car? No. Well, here's the first. Here's the first. Manual. These do not come up often.

No, they don't. They're pretty rare. I see one in the Loyal. They sold 500, pines regularly. There's one at the university that's parked down. Like, man, that's, that is a really cool car. They're cool. What do you think about the fender having the

numbers on the newer ones? Go back to the new, have you seen this? I prefer camo on my fender. So does Doug. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, these are a little bit. The car is numbered on the fence. You know how like a Ferrari has a plaque? I think that overstiled.

This is overstiled. However, it's radically overstiled, but it still drives just as well as what you're talking about. It's Balances being deeply overstyled and also being very cool. It's so cool. I don't know how they managed it. Minis have kind of lost the plot, but this one hasn't. This one is still fun and is crazy. Totally.

Absolutely. The ride on this is really rough. What was it like on? You know, every review I read said, oh, the ride is so bone shattering. And it's like, well, that was 10 years ago. Cars are a lot stiffer now than they once were. And I found like, yeah, it's firm.

It's a sports car. But it wasn't like terrible. And Zandier Grove does not have nice roads. So I found that even over rough surfing, as it was livable. I mean, my grandmother would complain, but,

you know, it's so my Emily, but it is a little bit, it's a little bit, it's a little bit. Emily wouldn't want to ride on it. And you know what? It wouldn't have room

for Emily's dog, Milton. Because there's no seats in the day. Well, no, so there's plenty of room for the dog. Yeah,

but the dog sliding around running into that bar for the chassis. Oh, that would be in the corner as a roll in the corners that dogs are all over the dog, yeah.

Right. Poor Milton. Poor Milton. We don't want to do that. Milton. We'll sit up front. seat. There's only 500 of these. Only if there's a cover over the

seat. Okay. On these market report subject, a couple of things that I'd like to discuss. Number one is the Toyota Land Cruiser 100 series. We've touched on Land Cruiser a little bit recently, but something hit me the other day. The 100 series Land Cruiser, which was made from 98 to

2007, is just the best... He came close to deep embarrassment there. Is the best land cruiser by and it is the one now having owned I owned an 80 series and I owned a 200 series. You never owned 100 series? No, but the 100 is the one that I would buy. The chips have fallen, the dust is settled, the land cruiser, as we know it is out of production.

There's a new one, but it's different. Now that it's all said and done. Now that it's all said and done, this is the one to buy. I don't disagree. The power train is the most reliable. They were made an unbelievably high number so you can find them pretty affordably. They still look great. They still look good.

They go for a zillion miles. The 80 series has become. both too expensive and they're too old and ratty. The 200 series, frankly, is too expensive to own, and it's quite large. This is the one. I want 100% agree with you. The chips have fallen. The 100 series is the Land Cruiser by. I am proclaiming it here on the pod today.

All right. There were three facelifts. Yes. Which do you want? You want the first one. Sorry, the first facelifts or the first version? No, you want the very original. 98-0-3.

The first two model years, they offered a rear locker in addition to a center locker. All 100 series have a center locker. All. But for those two years, you could get a rear locker. Now, if you don't care about that, and you don't have to, the one you want is the final facelift, 0607. It added a little power. It looked a little better and more modern. People remove the height adjustment from them.

Yeah, the automatic height control suspension. Yes. Is the LX470 equivalent good? Yeah, fine. Just get an LX. It doesn't really matter. Alex is much less attractive somehow. I've always felt.

Really? The Land Cruiser having, like, the line down the side. I don't disagree. But honestly, they're both great. The 4.7 is a fantastic. These are my favorite tailouts. This is the original one. Yeah.

This is the one to get. I find these tail lights to be the best Languator tailets. Go back to the auction. That's of any car? No, of the Lanker. Of the 100th of the 100th. Click on that photo. Can I tell you one thing you never noticed about the 100?

That now you'll never be able to stop. Not see. This trim line just stops. It makes no sense. It's just bad. And seen from directly on the side, it's fine. Seen from directly in the back, it's fine. When you look at it for the same with your life.

That's a great point. Why didn't they do something with this? Literally anything. Is it because this line's supposed to come down through the tailout and end here? I'm sure they would claim that. In the front, they made the bumper that line up. That worked. That was fine.

In the back, the bumper is for some reason lower. Oh, that's frustrating. Thanks, Doug. Appreciate it. Oh, yeah, that's even more annoying, actually. Yeah. So it's like they added tram. Oh, so they needed to, because they needed to stabilize the belt one.

It's a buy-in-law and save yourself to the hassle. Alex doesn't have it, but it is all one tone, which I never like. Doesn't matter. Any hundred series. These are the best tail lights. It's objective. Actually, those might be the best headlights, too. No, the facelift.

The LEDs are the ones. You want the 06-07. Can you find an 07, please? Yeah, I'm assuming that over the most expensive. Let's see. Yeah, that 06 is probably... Oh, here we go, 07. I hate these tailouts.

No, they look great. If you had one of these in period, you were blown out of control. You were way richer. You were way richer for sure. Because if you knew, you knew. You saw the LEDs and you knew. This guy's not driving a nine-year-old one. He bought it yesterday. He bought it yesterday.

And he paid full price. and he saw the 200 in the magazines and he said, nah, I don't want that. I'm not going into that. My friend Lee had one of these in high school. Lee was rocking it. Did your friend Joe would still have a 100 series? Yeah, he does.

It's a point, point two, which is this is point three. Right, right, right. Maybe I'll text on about buying it. Joe. What's wrong with you? Anyway, that's what I'm saying. As a former, I've had two land cruisers and I strongly believe the 100 series is the one.

It is the best combination of off-road capable reliable, luxurious, findable. And there are a trillion. There's a trillion of them. It is the one to get. And I think that the 200, while wonderful,

has some flaws. Now, do you keep in mind they're 20-year-old cars, fundamentally. They're 20-year-old cars, but 80-series are 40-year-old cars. It's true for all things. Don't buy it expecting new

Land Cruiser levels of luxury or level. It gives you what I think people want with a land-cruiser, which is like a very reliable, relatively simple. The 4-7 is better than the 5-7. Not from a part. power perspective, but from reliability

what people want. And it's simpler. And they also just, you pull up anywhere and now people just know. You're all good. No, most people that I don't think you're even Exactly. With the people, like they recognize you as legitimate. Here's this, here's a hundred series story for you, but I'm giving away the ending because we're talking about it. A couple of years ago, I filmed

a Bugatti EB-110. And the fellow who owned the EB-110 had a hanger at the Santa Monica Airport for all of his vehicles. And his collection was all of them. It was, I showed up, he had an Enzo at 9-5-9. a career GT, both 4 GTs, the whole, X-Day 220,

every supercar that we've ever dreamed of, F-40 F-50, all of it. What do you daily drive? I said to him, a 2001 Toyota Land-Razer. Wow. Wow. I still remember that. It is, yeah. And when we finished filming, he drove off

in his 2001 Toyota Land Cruiser. If you know, you know. If you know, you know. And that's what just what, he had all these cars to screw around it on the weekend, and on a daily basis, he didn't want any headaches. He just wanted his own hand cruiser. He bought since it was now. Can I raise an interesting point?

Does everybody just just buy a first-gen- Sequoia? Yeah, that's the real story here. Can you pull up with Sequoia? I mean, like, it's a different chassis, different parts, different components. We sold it. Oh, we sold 30 trillion.

30. 30. I love it. I love it. Yeah, these are, these, go to lowest price because that's where the first gens are. That they're all. Yeah.

So these Sequoia. Open up that, that nice burgundy red one, bottom right. Yeah, that's a nice one. And it's the same deal with Squoia, by the way. They were sold also through 07. And the last. last ones are the best ones. Just buy this. Equally reliable fundamental.

The same four-seven. Some other components that weren't as sturdy, maybe. The Land Cruiser was theoretically engineered for the 25-year life, et cetera, et cetera. The Land Cruiser was built in the United States. The Sequoia was built in the United States. And it was, the Sequoia was based on the truck, whereas the Lancruiser wasn't. But they shared a lot of componentry, including the power train.

The sequoias are absolute bargains. They're not as capable off-road. I don't think they have the same level of, like, different. But the rear window goes down. Look at that. Look how at home. It looks there. This photo shoot makes me want a first jessicoi i don't want one even and i've never said that before i've never thought that before but they're nice cars take great photos of your cars yeah they're they're nice cars and just like the land cruiser i would prefer the first gen sequoia to the second gen which

became blobby and used the five seven which i think isn't quite the same also excellent tailings and you still see them everywhere and they all have 200,000 miles on they do all of them if you can find a nice first gen sequoia of four-wheel drive you got a pretty nice car maybe better also the interior is was no worse no the interior was basically the same It was the truck interior, but the lane cruises interior wasn't, like, awesome at that time. So you had the truck interior, which meant that you had a column shifter and some cheaper plastic and all that. But you also paid probably half price for us, a quick. First pickup truck I ever drove with a t-100, Jen.

Oh. You ever drive a T-100? No. But you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, of course. Okay. The other market report topic I wanted to cover is the Tesla Model X. We have talked on this pod about how Tesla's have gotten cheap, but we've never brought up the Model X.

Kenyon, if you go to lowest price. Go to lowest price. It's not just that they're cheap. Look at this. The last seven that have sold, eight, have all, the cheapest eight that have sold have all been in the last 60 days.

These are not only cheap. A P90D for 30. Yes. That is performance and... Wait, go back one. Go back to the thing. 100,000 miles. Here's a P90D for 26.

Yeah, but that had a wrap. Doesn't count. You want to go zero to 60 and two? Doesn't count. Go to that white one. Here's a P90D for 27. Yeah, I know, but this D perspective is.

better. It's got ludicrous. Open that up. Can I? For us, please. All right. Scroll down. So do electric

road or all the drive. P90 means that's 600 something. 530 and 700. 1,712 pound feet. 250 miles of range. The reason I bring this up, because we've already talked

about a Tesla's are cheap and this is a little bit duplicative, but the reason I bring it up is seven seats. They're all. So here's your opportunity. Don't you say you need seven seats? I could never drive a Model X.

That's why they're cheap because. You don't like the Falcon doors? No, that's the problem. The falcons doors are legitimately the biggest problem. I pull up at daycare and moms are unloading their kids and I'm so embarrassed on their behalf. Yeah, that is embarrassed. I'm embarrassed that my child goes to the same daycare as the kids whose family has the doors that go up.

But nonetheless, you have doors that go up. These are seven seats. Yeah, but I don't drive it to daycare. You're driving around in a sequoia that's worth three times a much of their model X. I know, I know. But the door is ridiculous. The reason I bring this up is, yeah, seven seats. The Model 3 and the Model S are also appealing, but here is also a cheaper Tesla, but now familyable, and you can get the ones that do zero to 60 in no time.

Go back again to the results. Three seconds, surely. And again, my point here is all of the ones that have recently sold in the last 90 days, those are the cheapest ones. So they're becoming cheaper and cheaper and cheaper as we go. It's impressive. It's amazing. 27. A 2020 long range plus.

37. Wild. 2020 for 37. That's 100. I mean, what's the new model X? 90? 70 maybe? Yeah.

I think that's probably right. That's wild. 17 for 28. These are reasonably viable, affordable cars. If you had a family and wanted a Model X and wanted a flex, you can just go get this one. Wild. Yeah.

But then you had the doors. Right. No, I mean, there are drawbacks to it as well. You know? Doors. Okay. Next up, we are going to take questions. Questions

Questions? Sorry, I'm still thinking about the Model X. They can't sell them new. Huh? Sales of Model X's and Model X's and Model S's plummeted. Now? New cars. Because they're expensive.

They're expensive and like they haven't been changed since 2012. Yep. That's 2017, actually. And this is a great example of the problem. Right. I could go and buy on Cars and Bids a 2017 for 28 grand. Looks the same. Largely is the same.

Largely is the same. And Tesla has spent a lot of time convincing us that, like, these cars can be over the year updated. So you can make it feel new. And the tech hasn't really changed. And they're not unreliable because they're electric. So, like, why would I spend 90 on a new one? Well, because you don't want to have turn signals. The new ones don't have turn signals?

They've been the steering wheel. They switch to that. Oh, yeah. I think so. Not just the plan. Who really does? A bunch of people are going to watch this and get back. I think that the model less had the facelift that removed that I think went to that steering wheel design.

but I'm not 100% sure. The three definitely did. The three did. I think the model has had an update. But that's exactly it. And you know with electric cars, there is an interesting, you have an interesting thought here, which is we know they're

not unreliable because, as they age, because the electric technology. So there's less of a point to getting a new one, right? Yeah, it seems that way. Then again, it doesn't seem like the benefit is there. Like, what are you actually getting for a new one, other than the odometer says zero?

Unless the tech is better or the design is new But in the case of the X, neither is true Because they've given you over the year updates That kind of keep things together And the design is the same And also for hardware updates You can take it to Tesla And generally they'll fit new stuff to it right?

So like... Do they have them? They had a bunch of early like computer ECU MCU But they would update it right? They would on a warranty, yeah Totally.

We've had some that have had new computers Like updated new computers and stuff And so Yeah I'm sure that there's some battery discharge issue with, they haven't had an issue. Like, the range will go down over time a little bit.

You start to realize the drawback of not redesigning your cars. It's been the same it's been the same forever. And Tesla's argument is we're a small company, we can't redesign five model lines at the same time. Well, this is, you reap what you sow. This is the reality of the situation. Thank you. This is the reality in this situation.

Wow. You reap what you sow. Yes, yes, I know, I know phrases. Does that mean that now you finally know what it means that there's a time to read with that I do not know which is which. But I know that Tesla is reaping and sewing because the Model X has looked the same since it came out. When we did that video of me or you running away from the Model X. Looks identical.

It looks identical. Only the wheels have changed. And you can change wheels in two seconds. You and me could literally knock that out on a weekend. In an hour. In 20 minutes. We could do it in an hour. Okay.

Now, now we are going to move on to questions. Now, remember, the questions can be asked on Cars and Bids.com on the communities tab. This week we're taking old questions because we pre-recorded this because I am on vacation. However, in the future, we will have a document. We will take questions each week and talk about it on that week's pot. So these questions are a little older, but they are good. Starting with Dita says, if you could repeal any car regulation like the 25-year import rule, what would it be? I got one.

Okay. Which is, I think, one of the dumber regulations. Yeah? The U.S. is incredibly slow to adopt new lighting technology. Yeah, the headlight one. The headlight one. Europe gets these like matrix LED headlights that like turn off certain parts depending on oncoming traffic. What harm did that do?

Yes, yes, I've seen that. I'm driving an E-class in Italy in 19. And I got my brights on on an Italian mountain road late at night. Yeah, I got the brights on. A car's coming towards me and what does it do? Have you seen these operators? Yeah, there's wild. It darkens just the part where the car is.

The rest of the brights stay on. It's incredible. And I'm like, I'm like, this is sorcery. Right? Yeah. And you can't have those in the U.S. They're not allowed.

Why? Obviously, I think people were supposed to talk about the 25-year rule and we can. You kind of can like understand the initial rationale there. Yep. But the LED light technology, why? It's wild.

Why? What's the benefit to not allowing it? It's wild. I just don't get it. They were slow to adopt the reg. That's what happened. And the automakers are a lot being like crazy to get them to adopt the reg.

The most recent thing I heard was that it was going to be part of some other big thing, but I don't know if it ended up becoming law, that they were allowed to, regularly, they were allowed to make these changes. But I agree. The headlight stuff is wild. It literally darkens just the part. It seems so much safer for everybody. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. The answer, though, is the 25-year rule. Yeah, that's the big one. I thought you would do 25, or I thought you would do chicken tax. I don't, the chicken tax, I hate to say this. We're going to get into some politics here. The chicken tax has really created a lot of jobs. I think that...

Can you describe it for the people? The chicken tax... Okay, so it's the 1960s. The U.S. and Germany are in some trade war. And the... Germany, the Volkswagen, is importing Volkswagen buses as pickup trucks. That was a very popular configuration of the bus until the United States government issued a 25% tariff on... No, first, the Germans issued a 25% tariff.

on chickens that the United States was important. That's why it's called chicken tax. Which is why it's called the chicken tax. The U.S. government retaliated by instituting a 25% tariff on pickup trucks or vans with no rear seating. And like open cargo vehicles, basically. And that tariff, which was created in the 60s, just to annoy the German government and to diminish Volkswagen's market share of pickup trucks still exist today. And the result of that is that all pickup trucks essentially have to be built, that are sold in the U.S., essentially have to be built in a NAFTA. country, Canada and United States, Mexico.

And they all are. Do you remember the Transit Connect foreground? There have been a few workarounds. The Mercedes-Benz Sprinter, to this day, is brought as a platform and as a body, and they are assembled in South Carolina. As one, they're joined there, so they're technically built in the United States, which avoids the regulation.

The Ford Transit Connect was assembled in Turkey with seats, which got them around the regulation. When the truck made it to the United, the van made it to the United States, they removed and destroyed the seats. It's completely wasteful, but it avoided the attacks. Eventually, the United States government told Ford to stop doing that. And Ford now builds that in Missouri, which gives, it's another great example of the chicken tax has created a lot of jobs.

Can we talk about the most recent example of this? Yeah, one of those grenadier. They have an SUV called a granite deer. Yes. They also have a pickup truck that I think it's a grenadier pickup truck. I don't know the name. Costs 15% more or 20% more because of that reason. So that means that the only way that inios can offer the pickup truck in the U.S. is by charging 95 grand for it. What other automakers have done is just build their trucks in the U.S. And so although the chicken tax was protectionist and stupid and outdated, the Nissan Titan was built in the United States, the Toyota Tundra was built in the United States,

the Tacoma is built in Mexico, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Like you can go all down the line of these trucks and vans. That's why people still drive around and basically knew 40-150s. Yeah. Does that have anything to do with it? Oh, because the transit, the transit is built in Missouri. I know, but for years of one. that nobody would want to come at the market.

That's exactly right. The answer to that was a 25-year import rule. Although, you know, it's becoming less important. So few cars in the last 20 years have not been sold in the U.S. That's true. Throughout the 90s, the automakers had this thing that the U.S. doesn't buy performance cars, so we're not going to sell the best stuff in the States. And there were a lot of 90s cars we didn't get as a result of that.

But now, I mean, what would you even import that's post that's not 25 yet? M5 touring, new M3 touring. Yes, yep. A lot of that. A lot of cars that aren't good, but that I think are cool. Yeah. But that's not a reason. Right.

I feel like that the E60M5 changed that trajectory. When it was offered here only in the U.S. with the manual, was kind of the like, oh, wait. That was the beginning. The U.S. market wants these. The late 90s and early 2000s in general, when we started buying WRXs, after years of them saying they will never do it. When we started buying EVOs, when we started buying GTRs, the Japanese, that ended. They brought everything here after that.

The Germans and Europe. Europeans figured it out at some point, too. M3s, et cetera. Right. Yeah, it is annoying. But, yeah, that's a very good point. A lot more global cars than they used to be. Stick Panama was a thing in Europe briefly.

I mean, I don't know. Manual, Julia Quadrifoli, I believe it was the Italian market got that as a manual. Ship over a manual and swap it. Okay. You go right ahead. Doug and I'll do in our garage. Sure, that's very easy for you to figure that one out. I'll have a minute.

Why can't we? Right. I think the 25-year rule as unfortunate as it is has actually kind of, now it doesn't really matter. Becoming more negligible, although I would love an E-161. Once we get beyond the E-61 in terms of 25th, then we're... And that is 2031, so that is seven years from now. Once that happens, the M3 touring annoys me, but there's so few cars like that now.

Is it the automakers heaven? This is my opportunity to talk about the first tradition Ford Focus. That's the first, like, really big global car. No. All right, though. Thought I'd ask. That car changed everything. It didn't change everything, but boy, it didn't have an effect that no one has talked about yet.

You know, the car I would bring in, although that is 25. We should bring in a car. No, I don't think so. Of course. What do you think people drove around in Italy in 2000? Street cars. Well, regular cars. Right.

The street cows is a convertible. Next question from Hector MG-24. Do you think that weird cars like DeWos or Sang-Yongs, to name a few, will become popular in the future for their oddities? No. No. No. No. And you know, actually, the only reason I included this question, because the answer is a pretty clear no, is that it is weird to me that, like, the weird rare stuff, there's zero interest on the use market as they become zero.

I mean, we were talking to the different podcasts about some of the weird JDM cars that were brought in because there's some demand. But like, the, the same young rodeous would look weird and just ugly and bad. That car, the other ones are just boring. like the other sang yang models don't look weird enough to be interesting but fine but even if you go and look at those were weird pull up a sing young rexton

it's how he spells this actually that's the let's see what you said same young rexton I think Google will help him but yeah oh okay the corando was a wrangler effect yeah it was close

the first gen recital yeah I don't want to see this new crap go to like 2000 99 rexton. That's what we liked. Oh, yeah. It's not beautiful, but it's not that similar from other cars. The Corando was really the one to get. It was like a Jeep Wrangler,

except for some reason it had a massive headlight thing going around, wrapping around the front. That's how they solved the problem that Toyota Carlin. Boy, it was not better. It looks like it has like a mustache, and it's going very quickly through the wind, and it's like blowing on its face. It does.

That is exactly what. That is exactly what it looks like. It looks like Noodle when he's like... Yeah. ...aired and collie just running through the fields. This is a British plate. Can you imagine owning this in Britain? You would have made in front of so greatly.

What else? Instead of buying a defender, yeah. A defender. They were selling jeeps there. Like, you could have bought any number of cars that weren't trash. The back half looks like a Pajaro Eva or Pajara. Look at this rexton. Oh, they made a convertible Rexton?

The Corando. You know what? I changed... Crando. Crando. I changed my mind. The answer to this question, yes. I think the Corando will become popular.

I think that buyers will look at this car. I'll say, I could have a Jeep Wrangler, but instead I'm going to import a Korean vehicle that was never exported and parts are unavailable. I think yes. And every angle, they just look stranger and stranger. This was the bad Wrexton. Yeah.

The Wrexton that they imported a few of them as electric cars. What is actually called? The Rexon is... Sorry, that is... I thought that was the Rexton. That was the Rexton. Dude, it's too hard to figure it out. No, no.

Action, that's it. Oh, Action, Acton, Acton. Oh, that's a terrible. Any one of those. Action. Look at the front end of that. There was a company that wanted to turn these into EVs and imported like 50 shells to the U.S.

with no motor rental. You're kidding. So there's somewhere. You want a shell? Yeah. You got a shell the Sets-Young-Sang-Yong Action? Let us know. Trash car.

All these were trash. Of course the Rodeus was the most trash. Since we're talking Sengong, we rarely get the chance to do it. Let's talk Rodeus. Bring up the Rodeus. Please search for Rodeus. It's our O-O-Rodias. It's R-O-D-I-U-S.

One of the ugliest cars. You know, instead of the Tal Design Columbus, I should just admit I'm never, it's never going to happen. Pull up this image. This image is life-changing. That is true. All right. Kenan, can you describe it the first time you were seeing this for our listeners?

It looks like someone's first attempt at making an SUV. Like, someone has described, like, the criteria. Like, I want to fit people in it, but I got to fit cargo in it, too. And I want it to be tall in the back. I can fit tall things. But it's got to be long. and I also want it to be kind of narrow so I can touch my passenger's shoulder or something.

Oh, in that subject, I've always felt... And then they did this. If there was ever a car that was designed over the phone, it was this one. Yeah. You know what I'm realizing for the first time? The GLECoupe took inspiration from the car. No, from the Action.

No, no. The Action started. Remove the window. But that is a GLE 53. But that's all this was was an Action with a... Yeah, you're right. Good point. They're both thrash.

An Action with a fact. utter trash cars can I import one of these I think they came out in 98 I want to import a rodeoist but I don't want to do any of the work if someone calls me out and says That's the thing

That's why the answer is no I want a rodeous This person has changed my life And is and is convinced me That I want a rodeoise God these were bad Well that'll be short-lived But yeah that is an awful

Sorry I love that somebody from curbside Classic wrote an article But the Rodeus and the field Multipeus and the field multipla Which are the two cars that I would cross shop against. Yeah. Yeah, you would cross

up. The heinous car. Ugliest skin deep. Totally disagree. The cars are completely terrible in all. Oh, look at that. They're next to each other. Where is this? In Austria? In Austria, Austrians are driving a multipla and a rodeoist. Yeah, but second gen multiple. Yeah, second gen multiple is not as cool, not as special.

Plus, they made that Chinese electric one. We're not interested. Right. Okay. Next question from biddist. Someone who bids, a bidist. most. Next question. Number one, Doug, when will you review the recently refreshed and now in its final model year, Alpha Julia Quadrifoglio? At some point, I suppose. Number two question is more interesting. With both of the Quadrofolio models being discontinued for the NA market this year. Did you know that? I guess I'm not surprised. I think I did read that. Do you think their tentative return circa 26 as EVs will succeed, underwhelm or fail? Certainly underwhelm.

And likely fail. Underwhelming implies that we have some expectation that we will not be met. The expectation is low, and I think they will whelm. When the quadrufoil originally came out, it blew people away because it had a hundred more horsepower than the M3, and it was really well designed. Although they didn't want to admit it,

Ferrari had a lot to do with how that car was put together, and it was, it way exceeded everybody's expectations. Going into the next one, though, I agree with you wholeheartedly. No expectations. The big problem was they never really did much for it. I mean, apparently they facelifted it, but like... But, I mean... The M3 caught up and surpassed it,

because that's what happens when you let a design sit for 10 years. A lot of life. Or antagonize the Germans. They engineer their way out of that one. That's exactly right. The Italians can't show up the Germans. So they screwed them over. But I thought that the Stelvio quad was one of the greatest driving SUVs I ever drove.

When I drove it, which was seven years ago. But it was amazing at the time. You also like the Levanté, whatever the... That car drives great. It is bad. It's way too expensive. the trophyo, but that car drives great.

Are you talking about the Levanti or the baby one? I am thinking about the Levanti. The Levanti Trofeo drives me. I remember your review of it, yeah. If that was $36,000 instead of like $180,000, dude, it is. No, trofeos are still expensive. But yeah, the Stelvio Quadrifolia was a great car

one of my friends had when we did a long road trip to Columbus and that thing. It was wonderful. It was a great car. Something to consider for when Kenan becomes with Emily a father. Yeah. Instead of a pie in turbo. No, I want to actually get where we're going.

Emily would be like, I don't know what this is. Kenan, can we just drive them up three? What I want a normal car? She'd say, Kenny. Oh. Kenny, can we just get a... Next question, please. Wait, so the answer to the question is we think that it's going to fail.

We think it will be likely underwhelmed and definitely will fail. Nobody's buying them currently. Why would you start buying them? And I just don't have a compelling answer for why you'd go to the Alphrabead dealers. Right. My problem with Alpha is that they've repeatedly tried to succeed and come back in the United States, and they've always failed. But not with like a good lineup.

You think that the one, five, what was it? Nine? No, that was the... No, it was the 156. The 156 was not a fantastic... I can't believe I forgot that, but it's a different era now. When I was a kid, you saw those on the road. You saw the 164 on the road. One six four, yeah.

My bad. I mean, geez. Let's pick that all that. No editing that out. You think that the 164 was not a high quality of... No, I think it was an... incredible automobile. I would love to buy one. I should look for one of those on the site.

We've sold a couple, but rarely. I consider bidding on one. S? Yeah, we sold an S. Just type in one six. Okay. There you go, yeah. Oh, we've sold a bunch. Oh, I remember you bid on this one. I bid on that one, yeah.

This is a nice one. That's the one you wanted. For proof, I want to go see. I think of it on now. But I put it in a low bid. You've texted me about it. There is $8,300. I saw you. This is the one to have. Stick with the blusa, with that it's a quadrfolio.

Two-tone. I'm going to tell everybody here. If you live within like five miles of me and are selling a once-things-war, let me know. If you live in the greater San Diego. This one is in North Carolina. Yeah, I know. Look what else is in the garage. He's got an M.

Some sort of M with the DeLorean plate from back to the future. Yeah. Okay. Our final question here, our final question here, our final question here comes from Skill 0605. And the question is, why does Kennan seem like more of a Florida guy than a California guy? He just is.

That's so true. He's from Ohio, and all Ohio people are Florida people. I think that's completely untrue. That's very much untrue. I mean, what about me seems Florida that I like... You had a magazine on your desk about horse property in Florida. That's because my relatives, yeah, my relatives live there. I don't like Florida.

I think that's where the question answer saw the magazine and was like, oh, Kenyon's Florida. No, not at all. I don't know that he's California necessarily. I'm from the Midwest. Like, I'm a Midwesterner. Which kind of implies. Florida, so be careful. It deeply in Florida.

He's not California. He's not like, he's like a slow move. Like, Kenan's not a California person in his heart, but he's not a Florida. He's not like sleazy. He's the least sleazy person I remember. That's exactly what Florida implies. I'm trying to like deceive people. It's a nice area of Florida.

No, I go there to see. Some like, like deeply unbuttoned floral shirts. You see me wearing a deeply unbuttoned floral shirt? No, but I could. No. That's, that's not. Canada is kind of like Illinois. Like he's more, he's like an upgrade from Ohio. It's an upgrade from Ohio, but it's still not, and it's not Indiana.

We're like, you know. Downgrade. Yeah. Or Kansas like Hooby. But he's not like the coasts. But if it has to be a coast, it's good Florida. No, no, no. No, I object that.

I think the Carolina seemed a little probably more likely. No, you're not southern. You're not bro-y enough. Maybe. maybe Connecticut. No, he's not proper. Rhode Island? Rhode Island?

No, because he doesn't get in fistfights with his neighbors over parking on the public state for their house. Can't you picture it? That is, no, I can't. That is all that people do in Rhode Island. Currently in Rhode Island, there are, there's people getting fist fights with their neighbors. That's all it is.

It's not a kind of fee up multiple and erodeus getting, you know, going fist to fist to. In Vienna, those people respect each other. And so the answer to the question is, I don't agree with that, but I also don't know what canaan is. You know what he is? He's Canadian. No. Yes. No. Yes. He is an Ontario guy. That's what Canon is. Oh, Ontario. I hadn't thought about Ontario. That is the Ohio of Canada. This is the end of this podcast. We're devolving. You had a question you didn't have to think about.

Oh, we'll get to it on another pod. Sorry for whoever question that was. Goodbye, everyone. Thanks for watching and or listening.