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And welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippa. And there's a lot to talk about today. Let's start with the news. Aston Martin Valhalla. Volcan Valcari. There's a lot of Aston Martins.

There are a lot of usmen. Not like sold just in the lab. But they've reannounced. They've re announced. Don't I say that because the Aston Martin Valhalla had been previously announced as a concept car back in 2019. It was going to. have a V6 hybrid.

Then in 21, they re-showed it and said production would start in 23. You don't find this to be exciting. I mean, it still doesn't exist yet. Yeah, I know. Because in 21, they said to be here in 23. Well, now it's 24. They say, it'll be here in 26. Maybe every two years, they're going to say it's going to be here two years from now.

Asim Martin, trying to keep the brand exciting. Just keep teasing. I will tell you this. And this is something that I want you to be impressed by. Car is a thousand 64 horsepower, just like the new ZR1, same figure, a thousand sixty four is the same engine yes no the thousand six force power and get this this is where you're going to be blown your mind is being blown dry weight 3650 so curb weight probably 38 390 it's a light it's a light weight that's a joke that's almost too tight enough

a thousand of them are going to be made but you know right now it hasn't being made it is going to it's a plug in hybrid it's a plug in hybrid based on mercedes amg uh uh But I agree with Canon in the sense that I'm a little reluctant to get really into the details because we've been lied to before. Right. I mean, yes, it's another halo car for Aston Martin, but wasn't the Valkyrie also that? And that's... This is like sliding below the Valkyrie. The Valkyrie is a halo car on a level that, like, Philippa will never attain as a person.

You know what I mean? Like, that's a four and a half million dollars. I'll attain this. You will, like, as a person, you will attain it. You won't have one of these. You will just, like, get to this level of humanity. So hold on. That's four and a half millions.

Any price figures on what this is going to be? The last time they showed it, which was in 21, they said over a million. Now they're talking. No, I'm sorry, that was in 19. They said it over a million. Then in 21, they said around 800. So you got a figure one and a half. Well, I'm glad that they really are, you solely make a $4 million car.

And if you're not that rich, if you only have, if you don't have three commas in your net worth, you have two, then you can get this. Well, that's, that's how it works. I know, but that's, It's just, I just don't care about like these ultra-high. I also have really grown a little tired of. Just weary. The another hypercar, another supercar, particularly for Master Martin, which is a brand.

When Ferrari announces an F80, I look at it. That's something you have to focus on. Yes, it is. When Aston Martin announces yet another. That's identical to one that down five years ago. You're talking about the original Val. The Valour? No, no, the original Valca.

The original one. Why do we pick the letter to be? My family, I'll name all our pets starting with the letter T. And they've chosen a letter B. They've chosen B. It doesn't work as well with a car company because Ford found this out and they tried to do with F and with the E with the SUVs. They had to explore, escape. It was hard expedition, excursion.

Its marketing makes it challenging. Like, it's hard for consumers to distinguish. And as a consumer, I got to be honest, I, it's Valhalla, Vulcan victory. I don't know. There's one called the Victor. Is there really? The Valor. The Valor.

factory yeah i don't know i don't know the point is this car is going to be a plug-in hybrid twin turbo v8 thousand 64 horsepower it'll be cool it'll be like the sf 90 and the uh revelto what's the chance of the aspirin goes bankrupt before this car yeah i know everybody's all excited like oh this is cool

it's like good chance i will never forget i to this day i was at the mazda 6 launch a car is not even on sale anymore is i know i was at the new mazda 6 launch they'll be on sale like this 2017 and they were like, we're going to have a diesel in six months. I remember. And you know what? I'm still waiting.

So I don't trust anything that any automaker ever tells me at any time ever until it is driving down the street in front of me. I don't, I don't totally disagree. So I don't know. But yeah, to your point, it's one to shine off of the really special cars because when there are a lot of something that are really special, it's no longer really special. Right. And I think that I'm sure it will be amazing. But all of them are amazing. There's so many tools for rich guys to go fast.

I know. That's how you make money, but you got to actually release a car and sell it. The problem is you don't necessarily make money that way if you don't have something behind it. The F40 sells sold and sells now because it's like got this historical panache. Just creating another 1,000 horsepower electric car or plug-in hybrid, it doesn't. And McLaren has discovered this. These cars aren't incredibly easy to sell necessarily. Just because they make a $2 million car doesn't mean it sells out.

Doesn't mean there's a ton of people who want to buy. And especially with an Aston Martin brand name, you've got to kind of wonder. There should have a V12 too, you know? Do what Ferrari is not doing. Put a V12 in it. And three pedals. Imagine if this had a V12 and three pedals. Oh my God.

People would be lining up to buy it. And by lining up, I mean, they would sell out. It would be still hard, but it wouldn't be as hard as this. Which will be to sell. Speaking of cars that won't sell, skip on to that open top Mercedes. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get to all these stories.

Tell me about this. So this is the AMG. the Mercedes AMG pure speed. So in addition to trying to copy Ferrari by building a car with no roof because this is the true barcetta, they also gave it a stupid name. They did.

But this car, so it's an SL-63 underneath. But what they've done is they've tried to tie into their Formula One heritage and put this bar. Now, on Formula One, it's called the Halo. The idea is that it's a piece of the structure of the car if you flip it over, it will protect the driver. And it is saved. No.

It is genuinely saved lives. It's a really important thing in a Formula One car. It's a very distinctive piece. Not particularly attractive. Not attractive. But when you look at an F1 car, it's one of the first things you see. Now, in a Formula One car, it's necessary.

Now, you'll notice that in the picture of this, and for those of you can't see, it's pretty close to the head rest. Your head is like about here, meaning that I don't think that does a whole lot in the way of safety necessarily. Well, it probably is. It probably will hold the way to the car, is my guess.

But I don't think it's quite as effective as it is in a Formula One car. But nonetheless, regardless, regardless, The things about, so, but basically underneath, it's an SL-63. It's same four-liter twin-turbove V8, 517. Yeah, it's probably the same monitor as the one at the Valhalla. So the regular SL-63 is $188,000.

And the E-performance hybrid is $200 plus. And there's no... This ain't going to be around there. No, they, there's speculation Mercedes-Benz hasn't come up with an official price for you. They say around $300,000. Around $300,000 for windshield list. Here's my problem with this vehicle. And by the way, I actually kind of like how it,

looks. I think it looks pretty cool. Here's my problem with this vehicle. We have learned from McLaren Elva, from Ferrari SP1 and SP2, and from what was the other, Austin Martin did it, it had two like teardrops seats. I can't remember what it's called. That these cars don't sell. Like I met a lot of tasteless rich guys

and I filmed their cars and even they wouldn't want, didn't buy the McLaren Elva. They were like, no, we're going to buy all the other ones. We don't want Elva. So why does Mercedes-Benz think that a windshieldless car is the way to go? I think because they can't sell S-Ls anyway. Right. So they're like, eh, you don't do something different. They did it once before.

Oh, yes, they did. They had another expensive performance car. They should sell. Yes, yes, yes, they did. Pull it up, we want to see it. It's the Sterling Moss. When Mercedes was trying to sell the SLR and for some reason it committed to a production of 3,500 units, which was about 3,300 units too many, they decided

damn they decided to come up with a windshieldless version called the Sterling Moss named after famous windshieldless race car driver Sterling Moss He's an incredibly legitimate human being man didn't have a windshield though And so they came out with this It looks better than an asshole It looks so much better and honestly when I see them And I which I don't see pictures of them

I'm like you know that's actually pretty cool It's so cool I've never seen one in person Oh really? Love to There's the Prince of My Monaco's car collection has won it. There's a museum. Oh, thank you for that.

Yeah. Oh, well, okay, next time I'm there. They also have the bubble top LS 600L. But this, you know, not really the same. The SLR was a super car at its time. This is just an awesome. Now, they're only going to build 250 D is allegedly. Oh, 250.

That's probably a number that'll get it done. One hopes. If they're 300 Gs, that's probably a number that'll get it done. Probably. What do you think is going to be a harder sell? The Aston Martin, whatever we just talked about, or the AMG, speed shift. Well, on this, I'll tell you what, they give you helmets that have an intercom No, wait, wait, there's helmets. Yes, their helmets. They're like aerodynamically designed to, like,

fit in the car. Well, food, stop. If you got helmets, you don't need the bar to be structural. The helmet will support your weight. Second, yep, yep, you just learn something. Let me think about that. Let me think about that one. Second, if you can talk to your passenger, then like, that's great, man. You don't need a motorcycle. You can just get a speed track. It's pure speed. I'm not going to call it. is capital, S is capital. There will be no situation under which that I refer to the car by that name. What do you get to call this then?

I like speed shift, which is what they call the transmission. You're going to call this to speed shift, buddy. Do they still call that? Yep. I don't know. Okay, well, that's going to be a poor car that will sell well.

But I got to say, I think it's cooler than I wish that I thought it was. Yeah. Because it's obviously a cynical attempt to sell some sales. At least the front end looks better than actual. This is going to be sold in the United States. States? I'm totally sure it was going.

Also, it does have a windshield. Sort of. Well, all the windshield was cars. The elbow that doesn't, right? It uses air. No, it's optional. I believe in the alpha. Well, right.

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Let's talk about a four-runner. Supercars that are never going to sell. New Four-runner pricing has been announced, and boy, are people angry. The new forerner is going to start at some crazy amount of money. That number is lower than what they originally said. Well, 4770s without destination, and destination charges these days are like seven.

So 42 or 4199, whatever is. It's like 42 and change. But that's a base model four-cy-sylinder, bassy, bassy-based. That's what the current one starts at, but the current one bases with a V6. That's been around for three decades. It makes $200. We like our 4-liter, 200 horse. That's all we need.

It might be before 400 fans complain. I'm sure it's 240 or something. No, it's a big number. It's like $3 million. What is... It's rare that a car increases cost by like $45 or whatever the starting Mastropius. Okay, well, the higher trims are a lot more expensive. Well, sure.

Now, I did it... I did a... I did a dollar by dollar comparison. And some of the higher trims are like three to six grand more expensive. Do they also have adapter cruise control and less wind noise? This is the thing. This is the thing. Number one, people are up in arms because it's more expensive.

Are people upset by those? I will thrill that it's. It is more expensive. The base, you can't give a base to base. No, but you can get into a for the same price. You can get into a 2024 forer that's been the same for literally 14 years. 14 years. Still has halogen running lights, the last car.

And doesn't have adaptive cruise to stop if memory serves. Yeah, it has a five speed automatic. probably. Oh, you should see a four. I don't know. The backup camera. Right. The backup camera is like there's that they pay a guy to just tell you.

Like a low wage. It's cheaper than that. It's the same cost. I know that it's a smaller engine. I know it's a base trim, base trim. But still, that's notable that it didn't increase more. The higher trims did increase, like three to six to five to eight grand. It's much more expensive.

However, there's a couple points I like to make. Number one, people are complaining about this also at Tacoma. Tricor has lost their minds. I was there. And by I was there, I mean, I ran a business where people were selling these cars. When these cars were selling for that and Toyota wasn't making the money, right? The TRD pros forerunners were priced at like 55 and people were flipping them for 65. They're still like 35.

Toyota was sitting there thinking, why are we not making this money? And it's hard to fault Toyota for going after money that the market said was there. How the drawback is that flipper market has died. And so in a world where these cars were selling for 65 pretty regularly, they aren't anymore. And now Toyota's trying to go into that price point. It was bad timing. But people are complaining about these prices, MSRPs. In the past, the MSRP was too cheap based on how the market viewed the value of the car.

Also, the current forerunner, sure, there's a TRD Pro. Yep. It doesn't have nearly the level of offered equipment that the new foreruner has. It's probably about the same. Is it? They got traffic control. They got multi-terrain select. They're doing more. They haven't really invested in the 401.

It's a much better vehicle. I haven't driven it, but I've been in it and been around it. It is a modernized version of the car. That doesn't, however necessarily... A couple grand more doesn't seem insane to. But that doesn't necessarily allow you to charge a lot more, just modernizing the car. It is expected as table stakes that you modernize the cars every few years. That's fair. Usually, even a redesign, they don't upgrade up the price by three or five grand.

My contention, though, is the market already showed that it was willing to pay the price. I think it's still a lot. Four or not so hard to get. Well, Grand Highlanders are hard to get. Tierty Pro and Tiergy Off Road, which are the top... 2D Pro is in the top term. It is. It is. Which is what the top trims are here.

Yeah. It's still relatively hard to get. I think it's more of a production constrained than a cost situation. But the point remains that if they're production constrained, why not the price up because people are going to still buy them and they'd rather make the additional. And I don't blame Toyota. And I think it's totally reasonable if that's what the market wants. And people complain all the time about markups.

But if people pay them, then that's what the market wants. Like that's how supply and demand works. Right. This is, I went into Econ 101. This one named Bev. caught it. Her name was Bev. Kennan, I will pay you, let's see if I

make it. I will pay you $10. If you could name all of the SUVs in Tokyo's 2025. Oh, wow. Oh my God. Can you? Yeah, of course. Okay, Kenan, go for it. I don't think you can.

10 crisp dollars. It's a shockingly crisp. Really. Really? What do you got? What do you got? Give us a couple. I recommend starting from smallest going to large or its cheapest, go to most expensive.

I will tell you, one cut in front of me today that I would have forgotten. It must have. There's no way I can do this. You think you can name half? No. I don't even know how many more I can name outside of the forerunner. You know, you got, you know mine.

Yeah, Sequoia. Six, I will give you this. Okay. Six. Apparently, one, six. Damn, good luck. All right. So, Forerunner, Sequoia.

Yeah, I'm kind of. All right. I don't know. Okay, wait, wait, hang on. Hang on. I'm going to do it. I'm not. I'm not.

No, I'm going to do it. No, I'm going to do it. Come on. I mean, I can do the safety with you. Give me Ferrari's lineup. It'd be the same thing. Can you name all of them? I bet you'll forget some.

I think I can. Okay, go. All right. I'm going to try to start. The Corolla Cross. Yep. The Raffor. Yeah.

I'm going to call the Rangfor prime at the same thing. Yeah, I agree. They don't, but I agree. The crown signet. Oh, this might happen. The Highlander, the Grand Highlander, the forerner, the Lane Cruiser, the Sequoia. I do feel like I'm missing one.

Let's see No, that's all them They don't tell the CHR anymore That's all the ones that I can think of Well, that's riveting Yeah, that's all them Congratulations Wait a minute, go through them one more time

Oh no, you did, you did You said Highlander and Grand Highlander Yeah, yeah, you got them all Congratulations Thank you. You have 10 dollars from me? No Yeah, he's over here talking Oh wait, you know what you forgot?

The regular crown, Which has the ground clearance Of course year tool, dude That's a great point. Well done. I would have done it too, but I'm surprised you got Crownsignia. I will say this pricing kind of when the forerunner was announced at the same time as they were doing first drive to the lane cruiser. We were all kind of like, how are they splitting this to have a lane cruiser and a GX and an LX 600 and now LX 700?

Yep. The pricing kind of makes it work. Yeah. It's cheap enough. Well, no, it's price like Land Cruiser. I don't understand. How much is a land cruiser? Land cruisers are like mid-50s.

Well, they start 15 grand less. Yeah, but to equal. equivalize. You'd pay about mid-50. It does make a sense. I'm kind of assuming that in like 2027, they'll announce a smaller off-road FD FDFROD FACCruiser, if you will. I'm going to tell you this. When we drive around, we will know. The real off-roaders bought a forerunner and the guys who like to drive around and look cool, bought a Land Cruiser. Because ultimately the forerunner has more stuff, beefier, better priced, but it doesn't have the name.

Right. The name guys. What if they buy a GX-5-0? I guess that's okay. They should have this equation. to you're any problem. I'm kind of curious. One last point on the pricing. For the first model year of the new one, I wonder what it compares like adjusted for inflation price model year

of like the first model year of the old one. Like how much does inflation pay it into like the price of this car? It doesn't seem that crazy to me. Did you know that in 2010, the forerunner SR5 sport utility, which is the base base trail? Start at 30.

Start at 30. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, it feels like it's kind of 20. No, that's only an increase of 30% since 2010. That's probably about what it's probably about keeps up with inflation. Yeah. So I think it's probably, I mean, I was just thinking.

And it's obviously a much better truck. I mean, this is on leagues better than $2.0. Cheapest car. Cheapest new car in America is 18 grand. Like, things have kind of changed, you know. It's like, I don't think it's that crazy. That is equivalent to 48. Oh, damn.

We're getting a deal. Go buy a foreruner. It's a bargain. Cars in general have beat inflation. Like, they're cheaper than inflation. Especially given what they offer. Yeah. Anytime I drive for a video at 80's car, I'm like,

I can't believe people paid the equivalent of like 100 grand for this trash. Yep. It's like amazing. 6M3 GT is a very cool car. But like not for what it costs when it was new. You get into a new M3 or M4. It's like this is incredible to drive. That was like, people that plastic.

People bought that thing for that money. And it was incredible. It was incredible at the time. That's how bad other cars were. Before we were, when will you drive it for it on? Spring, March, I think they said. Cool. I can't wait.

I truly can't wait. I think it's so cool. Cool. Moving on, I already made my opinion. Okay, yeah. All right, Ionic 5N is shown here because it's the only cool card that Hyundai makes. That's not true.

Yep, but close. You can now buy a Hyundai on Amazon. Amazon.com. Amazon.com. Jeff Bezos's website. They announced a partnership like a year ago where you gave you to buy it. It's finally live.

Wait a second. And select markets. Was it Hyundai you could buy it Costco also? Costco does have a bunch of manufacturer programs, but you can't buy them through Costco. Okay, so now you can go on Amazon. You can see all the inventory and then you can like legitimately

start your purchase. You still have to go through a dealer. And as far as I can tell, it's only sort of available in our area because I tried and just get sent to the dealer website. Yeah. Okay. So Ionic 5 and there it is. Okay, I'm interested at Hyundai of Tomecula and then you click on begin purchase. In theory, you can get full pricing information and financing information on Amazon. I have not seen that to be true and I've seen people talking online about how it just It's right here. It gives you to then a dealership to actually complete the purchase. But it's interesting. They got rules about all this stuff.

You can also get $2,300 in Amazon gift cards. If you're pretty solid for a limited time. You can't buy it. You can't not buy a car to dealership. Right. They got rules. So that's why I've checked it back in and, oh, here, buy my new one day. The question is like, I'm glad they're doing this that I like innovation and how people buy cars.

Right. Clearly, we run cars in beds, which is innovation, how people buy cars, use cars. But like, I, given these sales to go to a dealership. Yeah. It's the concept. The legacy automakers are seeing what Tesla has, Ruby and Russ that have done, which is they got a kiosk at the mall and you order a car

and then a little robot delivers it, ish. And they want to do that, but they've got all these dealer agreements and there's all these laws and stuff. They can't really do it. But here you go, 337 a month for a venue. Great.

Can you begin purchase? Yeah, I can click on begin purchase. And then I've sent you to a dealer. Probably the dealer will call me for the next decade. Correct. So that's going to be a hard for. But it is nice that you can see a crowd. dealers a little bit more easily.

Obviously, Cars.com, or Groves, whatever, you can see that, but it's nice of it in one place and where you do all your shopping at this. Do you think eventually it'll be available on Prime and that will then it'll be so fast. That'll, yeah,

that'll revolutionize the shipping industry, which is notoriously slow. I bet that they have thought about this a lot. Yeah, that would be amazing. That would be amazing. If I could go on Amazon and order, like, have it show up tomorrow.

Or like book service. Oh, well, that would be incredible. Like, like, I got my G-Wagon. and I want to get Amazon to come service it. I'd be afraid of that. I think my main takeaway is that this is not that notable. It's not that notable.

But unless it does more, the concept of it is cool that you can shop on Amazon. But like, if you have to go through the dealer, if you have to do the whole process anyway, then it's just, it's an aggregator like auto trade or credit. And like financing three or seven a month for that venue,

that's so dependent on your actual credit score. Right. You're not going to get the real info for a while. So we're being lied to. More info is always good. being lied to about though is oh yes no go to the next one i want to talk about the next one no no the previous one there no the westing yeah i thought it was a great segue to the model q no this is not a lie you know how they know that because it's down to the thousands of a second yes that's right

the mustang gtd is laid down a time on the nerberg ring so it's 557 point 685 Doug did not know what the mccd was no i knew what it was i knew what it was i just like what is it kind it's a track focused version of the musing it's supposed to be their halo car so it's a 300,000 dollar 325,000 dollar mustang this is 815 horsepower but it is a multimatic suspension system which is incredible they had it at the quail and i got to really look at it it's it's beautiful like front engine no it didn't they move the engine what for the gc no wow i imagine this great i don't know what it is man you're a corvette guy now that we move the engine shouldn't they so anyway did it is 657 675 sub 7 minute nerber ring

that time, that beats the CareerGG. T. That's Leapone. Any thoughts about that? Same time as the 918, not an accomplishing. Yeah. Beated the CuritGGT, barely on caution. The CareerGT is the greatest cover built, though. The Curruget is.

Let's take a quick look. Ask Walter Rourle. So look, so here are the list on Wikipedia, anyway, of the top times that have been laid down by production cars. So the AMG Project 1 takes the cake at 629, which is so ridiculous.

That is 10 seconds faster than this GT2RS with the performance kit on a damp track. Wow. I mean, that's like in a completely different league of automobile. Right. But the Mustang is, I guess it's in the top 10 technically. It's down here below the 918. Same time, basically. Yeah, because a lot of these cars are actually the same car with different drivers in different conditions.

If you scroll up, like GT3 appears a couple times. G2Rs here appears twice. I guess one's a 9 and 2, one's a 991. But the point is low that, yeah, it's. It's radical SRA. It appears twice. Now, Ford has said that they're not done yet. They think they can do better and they can shave off more time.

But it is remarkable that the Nureberg Green is a gigantic racetrack with a lot of conditions. It can be raining in one part and dry and sunny in the other. Yeah. It's huge. There are towns within it. Within it. Did you know that? I did know that, but it's like barely.

Like, you go over bridges. Like there's like towns in the Nureberg ring. Can you buy a house there? Yeah. You can't, but like a person could. What do that mean? They don't let your time over to the Nuremberg.

And the citizens. Filippa calls it the Nuremberg ring. But it, yeah, but nonetheless, it is impressive that a Mustang is included amongst, to be honest with you, a lot of Porsche's Americans. It's the fastest American car. Fastest American car of all time. How much faster is it than the Ford GT,

the one that they do, that Multimatic also does. Ford GT. Oh, it's not on here. But my 4GT did a 752. It took a minute off. Holy crap. What is the next American commas list?

Oh, man. Some sort of Viper. ACR. Viper did 701 in 17. And apparently that testing ended in tire failure resulting in a crash. Third attempt, testing ended by tire failure resulting in a crash. So in other words, the viper can do a 701, but only two laps. Then the tires fail and you die. Hey, man.

It's all needs to do. Lay down on time. Yeah, that's true. Now, I will say, I respect the Mustang GCD greatly, having just found out about it today. But I do not respect any car that loses to the Eventedor SVJ, which weighs more than a what does that mean? What does that mean about all of your cars? All of them are slower.

And in fact, the SVJ has the fourth best lap time ever. All of a production car. You don't say the Kuntosh couldn't really throw it down, period. Dude, aren't you blown away that the SVJ, it's faster than a 9-11 GT2RS, it's faster than a radical SR8 LM, whatever the hell that is. It's faster than a AMGGGT black shirt.

The SVJ, you understand the SVJ is the big boy. I know, and we kind of look, I don't want to say look down on it, but like when I see when I'm like, you think of that car as a, as a, yeah, heavy, big, fat is what you're saying.

That's the beluga whale of super cars. Yeah. I'm not, that thing weighs like. Amazing engine, amazing era. great all-wheel drive system. And it was on, it was on Trafalar. When they did the Hummer EV, they benchmarked the SVJ for weight.

They were like, if we just got to get it around there. Unfortunately for them, they were twice as heavy, but. Yeah. It's probably true. They tried. It wasn't a full Roe Cage in Trafei Arr. So we don't accept that as a real time. Well, no, we do.

It's like, the roll cage probably even added even more weight. Right. But nonetheless impressive. Good for four. Let me ask you a question. Go back to the lap time list. And this is a serious question. I just want you to think about it.

You don't have to answer. Okay. AMG Mercedes driver clearly is Morrow Engel. Engel. He got he did the lap time in the Mg. He's good on the damn trash. Lamborghini's driver's Marco. You think they, you think they, you think they, you know, do you think that Maro

thinks he's faster because he doesn't have that extra letter? Oh, wow. Maybe. Maybe. You think they fight? You think they fight? They fight about this? No, they leave it on the track.

All right. What's our last news story? There's some sort of Tesla thing. Yeah. Didn't look at that interesting. We're going to talk about this for 10 seconds. Apparently, according to a report from Douchebunk, Tesla will have a new one.

Deutsche. No, I'm going to say it weirdly on purpose. Deutsche Bank. Tesla will be revealing in Q1, a sub-30,000 with tax credit, 375, if there is not a tax rate anymore, EV. It will apparently be based on an existing platform, and we will believe it when we see it. Can I tell you something about Tesla and affordable vehicles?

I've been hearing my whole. whole life that Tesla was about to release a, like when they came out in Model 3, there was going to be a $35,000. Correct. Never happened. When they came on a cyber truck, there was going to be a $60,000.

What they do is they announced the vehicle, they announced the price point. This is Tesla's strategy. They announce the vehicle, they announced the price point. They come out with more expensive ones, and then quietly, they cancel two years into production. The base one saying they couldn't make it work.

This has happened multiple times. Yep. So I don't buy anything. Also, they haven't come out with a refresh model Y yet. Although I will come out of soon, Jupiter or whatever they're calling it. Ooh, Jupiter. I don't know, that might not be right. Venus.

remember. If it was asking, they should they really be coming out with the product lines when they, well, the cars are intended to be timeless. So like the model S came out in 12 and it hasn't changed. People are going to write it and be like, yes,

it's hard. There was one faceless and 16. Right. Listen, if my wife thinks it looks the same, then it looks the same. You know what I mean? Like you and me know it changed because they put a grill on it or they took the grill

off. It took the grill off. Whatever. That doesn't count. Yeah. Right. When a new, when a new class.

It doesn't know that there's an updated model. No. No. Hold on. Yes, same. It was nicknamed the Highlands, which wasn't actually a thing. We saw it. It was a wonderful car.

Yeah. But he can't tell it. No, no, no. He can't tell apart. I can't tell them. Especially the rears. Yeah, especially the rear of the tailors. Yeah, especially the rear of the tail is a little different.

What can you tell? I actually, what about the car is off? Huh? What if the cars doesn't have on? Is it on? It doesn't need to be on. Oh, I say. I'm all right.

I can tell. Regardless, I have a lot of, I'm holding my breath for this one because the Yeah. So, sir, came out in what year? They announced that it was. 19. They announced the roadster in the fall of 19 five years ago. That was the LA Auto Show.

We were coming home from the LA Auto show. They announced it. Five... The Valhalla will be out before the Roadster. And the Valhalla and the Tesla Roadster are on a race to see which... The funny thing is, by the time those cars come out, they're not interested anymore. When the Roadster, I did this video about this the other day. When the Roadster came

out, it was announced. It was a thousand horsepower. Like, whoa. So, two seconds here or 60s. Right. Now, a lot of stuff has a thousand horse power. We had a Corvette in the office that some guys brought down on a truck. That had a thousand horsepower. Right. The Tesla Roadster was like a space age future car with a thousand horsepower.

Dudes are just bringing cars to us on trucks with a thousand horsepower now. Something to think about for you. He doesn't think about a thousand horsepower. His max is $394. I'm not right. That's right. Between four and 500 is all the more you need on the road. Well, unfortunately, your never doesn't have any of that number.

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We cannot talk about the Ferrari Cadillac thing. We'll do it next week. Other segments, Volkswagen sent us a cease and desist letter. Felipe doesn't want to talk about it. We're not going to talk about it. We'll talk about it next week. We got legal things going on here. We'll talk about it next week.

The season to assist was about some van. We'll talk about it next week. It had nothing to do with anything bad. Yeah, correct. Like, I insulted the Atlas Cross Sport on the pod last week. No season. Did you really? I forgot about it, just like I do about the Atlas.

It's called the Crossport, okay? It is. All right. You're thinking of the Sport Cross. That's Alexis. We'll talk about the van next week. We had a van on the site. We'll talk about the van.

We'll talk about the van. Next week. They have a Trojan body kit. They told us to take it down. apparently we're not allowed to discuss it. We will next week. Okay, next to, I want to talk about consumer reports. This is a news story, but we're going to talk about it like we're talking about cars.

Consumer reports came out with their ratings of reliability, which in my opinion, I very dull and I don't care. I used to read every car review that Consumer Reports did from like 2004 to probably 2012. Dull and boring, you repeat yourself. We'll move on. Kel Suprise. Yeah. Can you pull up the list?

Consumer Reports comes out with this list. It's unbelievable. They say that the Rivian is the least reliable brand. Before we get into this, can I talk, can I say something about consumer reports? Yeah, they're going to Connecticut. So they're actually based in Yonkers, New York, but they do have a test track in Connecticut in a town called East Haddam where I once lived. Okay, that's not.

Anyway, so they announced this, and Rivian is the lowest of all the reliable cars. Go down to the very bottom, there's Rivian. They're hanging out with Cadillac. Dude, I'll tell you something. Where's RAM? Why are there only 22 brands? I want RAM. Ram would be so far it's off the list.

Agreed. Actually, you'll note the no FCA brand, except for Jeep is on the list at all. They don't do FCA. Consumer Reports decided years ago to just stop doing the FCA. Do you think of it when they're renamed to Stalantis and not FCAA? Anyway, here's my issue with this. Yeah. I love Consumer Reports generally.

But a few years ago, maybe 10 now, they started to really include technology and a complaint about the in-car technology. And that meant that for a long time, Lexus was dinged pretty badly and went down. Because it was bad. Right. So it's changed a little bit from like, will my car break down to is the infotainment easy to use? Right. So consumer reports used to set up surveys to owners of the cars.

And after two or three years, they'd get data. I agree with you. A lot of people, consumer reports-se type people, probably don't understand or like Rivian's technology. It might be bad. A lot of the Rivian screens have some issues. The type of people who buy Rivians are. happy to be guinea pigs and have their car break a little bit just to be like the furrowed the coolest yeah yeah and like their big complaint might be about the tech or like the street

freezing or whatever which is a problem but that's very different than my car breaks like that's stranded me it has failed to transport me which is the primary function of a vehicle which is why i like i think about these a little bit differently than i once did once i added that because it does it like i as a consumer care less about because like technology reliability that i'm looking at Subaru and i'm like are those transmissions problematic no Subaru's got it all figured out for this Starlink. No, the assent's good now. There was a couple years of ascent where you were driving on the freeway and it would stop and then catch on fire simultaneously. And if you were still in the car after the fire started, then little men would come out of the cargo area and beat you to death. That was, it was only a two year problem. Also, it was only a two year problem. A questionless, I mean, like, Land Rover's not on here. They don't have, they don't, there's not a lot of brands. I find the whole thing to be questionable. Audi. There's truth of this. And, This is also where I would look for like, will my mother-in-law have a problem with her car?

Right. And you wouldn't get your mother-in-law into a rivian. I'll tell you that right now. She and her husband said something about looking at land rovers. What is your mother-in-law drive at the moment? Super outback. Super outback. And she's number one.

She's talking about land rovers. Okay. We're not allowed to. Kenan, give us your topic, which is about Maserati and I love it. Yes. The great God exercise. Maserati, as we know. Noted bad company.

Yes. make some can we just go to their website I don't even know what they sell anymore. The Gracala, the Levanti

and I saw Gracoli the other day on the road. That is just like a Yves. The Levanti is canceled. Quadraporte is canceled. Levante is canceled. Levante is canceled.

In an age where SUV's reign supreme. Is this there? This is it. You can go to models in the top of us? Well, MC20. Oh, it's there.

In an age where SUVs reign supreme, Maserati is somehow. Oh, they sell the Pibli. But only leftovers. They're not selling it anymore. It's not new.

Quartreportte is saying. They're not, there's not a new one. In an age where SUVs are everything, Maserati somehow managed to, like, miss on an SUV and they had to cancel it. Name an SUV that's been canceled. Like, it's insane. Right.

The MC20s. Oh, okay. The trailer is the converto. Don't do that. You got to do it. So, G2, Stradale. So anyway, they have three cars. So the question, your question is,

my question is, the brand is fledgling. Well, they're really struggling here. We'll say. I think their brand equity is low. So my question is, it's a fact, not an opinion. What would you do to fix Maserati? There's only one real option.

Bankruptcy and receivership. I would just close it down. Close it. Not going to lie. Like, if you're Philandons, which owns Matherati, you have this and not for a male, which sells a car?

The one that's also a Dodge. It's also the Gricale. But Maserad has stronger brand. equity is in how fair male in no you're wrong there is is mazorati has a real future it's just not being managed particularly well what i would do i would really start to think about what i would want to do about all these brands i would you got to consolidate i would i would have an everyman brand like chevalier i would have maybe alpha be the luxury brand and maybe mazorati be a higher tier sports car brand and that's it just those three yeah

and no more chrysler or dodge or rome whatever you want combine those into one brand it probably can't be called Dodge because it has some difficult name recognition. Then again, you can't come out on the Chrysler Ram. They probably had these conversations. But the point is, that's what they split off RAM from Dodge for God knows what. That was really a bad idea. The good news is they're all sold at the

same dealership, so it never mattered to anybody and nobody took the time to learn it. But Maserati, what would you make? The MC20 has not had the response. Off-road SUV. Absolutely. For their luxury performance brand? Yes. I think G-Wagon. You ever heard of the G-Wagon? Do you know about the

It's square and boxy and they're sold out for 77 years. I think that I think no, there's something to that. I think I in my opinion, I think that Maserati should kind of do this is a watch analogy that you might not get. Oh boy. It's might be like the tutor to Rolex. Rolex has a subsidiary brand that was called Tudor. And they for a long time were they were referred to as the poor man's Rolex. Everybody wants to Rolex.

But Tudor now has may start making more toolie watches and enthusiasts like myself. actually want to own. And they have been tremendously successful. And you can't get a Rolex in the same way that you can't, it's not easy to get a Ferrari, even if you have the money. You have to be on a list and you have to do all this stuff. I think they should build stuff that like people would actually want to buy and that Ferrari refuses to build. So my opinion, like if they want to do a, they want to stay sporty and build a sports car, fine.

Give it a manual transmission. Make it mid-engine. Make it something really interesting. The problem is that the brand, the main brand equity is with non-enthusiest. Like that's not untrue. I think you go to a person on the street like, oh, what a cool luxury car sports car.

Rebuilding this brand with enthusiasts would take Hercules an effort. Well, they've lost. They're clearly trying. The MC20 was a clear trident. It's a wonderful car. It is.

But they don't, they don't sell it when they do. It's for, you know, two thirds of MSRP with 10 miles on it. Yeah, resale's been tough. But I think that enthusiasts are not the answer. I agree. The Maserati brand is flashy

among regular people. and enthusiasts have long ago kind of started to view it as a joke. Yeah. And not kind of started. Like when the Grick-Call-A came out and almost everyone I see is a rental car. It was tough. Yeah. It was surprisingly good.

It is too expensive. Yeah. I agree with you, Doug, that it's not an enthusiast. I agree that it's not an enthusiast brand. They don't have no enthusiasm. So they got to just go for like luxury. But there's no brand that's doing that successfully. Mercedes maybe, but they're struggling.

No brand that's doing luxury? You know about Alexis? You know about Acura? Acura is killing it right now. It's like she. Rolls Royce exists. Different level. Like,

Jaguar is not doing well. Well, no, but Mercedes. Genes is a whole other thing right now. I'm not to call my already startup brand, but like, Jaguar is not doing well. Genesis is not doing well. Who else has tried to go? What about Mercedes-Benz, BMW and Audi?

And Lexus. So is that where you would put this? Because you kind of implied that Alfa Romeo would be in that category. I know, but what could you do? You have to put it there. You can't actually make Maserati. an expensive brand. The cars don't sell the people

who have a lot of money. To be fair, Hyundai and Kia have existed by having very similar shared product lines. Yeah. So you could have an Alfa Romeo and a Mazurati brand that I don't think there's I don't think there's enough day like there.

I don't think there's enough day like there. That they're Italian, they're both Italian. They neither of them have great niches. Alpharmio could go enthusiast. I don't, yeah, I could go enthusiast. Maybe that's the plan. Maybe you do, maybe you do it. Maybe you're going to alpha into the enthusiast brand.

You give them a car like the MC20 and you send the Grecolle and stuff to Maserati. The Grecolle is too sporty. You think to go more comfort. Right. That would go to alpha. And you you do like a three row for Maserati and you do like luxury vehicles for Maserati and maybe that's where you'd go with it. Can you throw that on this list of vehicles? What is at the bottom?

G2G2GELO. The Fulgore? That's the electric Grand Turismo. Thank you. So that's the thing. They claim to have 28 models, but they actually have three. They just lied. The old trick. That's interesting. Alpha would suit the enthusiast brand better. I would argue, though, that just having talked this through, you can't actually do this.

10.9. Presumly the only Ghibli that they have their sale. You can buy it on our site for literally 10% of that. The problem is, now that we've talked this through, I really don't think there's room for Alpha Maserati. I think you make Maserati sort of an enthusiast luxury brand like a BMW and go that direction and keep Chrysler as the Everyman brand or Dodge. and that's it.

That's all you do. That's it. I think Alpha has more cred than... That's wrong on levels that it's actually physically difficult for me to explain to you. I do see more Ghibli than I do, Julius. To geeky car enthusiasts who like Brown Diesel Station wagons, yes, that's true. To regular people, you walk down the road and you're like Maserati, people like, damn, Maserati. I think you could keep it.

I do not. I do not. I do this thing. I read about Genesis. Fewer brands is better. Dude, look what Ford did. When I was a kid, Ford had Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Jaguar, Landon, Landon, and And Rover.

Aston Martin. Volvo. Yep. You're missing a few. I probably am, right? And you know what they turned it down to? Ford and Lincoln. That's it.

And they really should have trimmed it further. Oh, he doesn't like Lincoln. I love Lincoln. I'm legitimately saddened when I think about how poorly Lincoln sell. I think that their SUV lineup is fantastic. Yeah, I wish they had put more investment in a Lincoln brand. They could legitimately compete if they tried. Like GM has been trying with Cadillac for a long time.

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Can I start this, please? Yeah. Can we talk about the Sapphire? Yeah. What's the deal? We got a Sapphire on this site. This is a Lucid Air Sapphire. Which there has not been any public auction results that I've seen for a lucid air sapphire.

Yeah. I have been defending this car to no end internally among coworkers. It's cool. And people don't get just how cool it is. And I find that frustrating. You know what though? Farrah made a point. I was on his pot yesterday.

Yeah. What does that come out? I don't know. He made a good point, though, about this. and all the other ones, the super fast one and the non-super fast one, when you're driving them, they're the same.

But you would know that you have a 1,234 horsepower. You would know, but like, okay, oh, you don't, so you drive the 850 horsepower one and you're like way behind. I know, but it's just, it's cool. Like, like, his point was like a V6 charger. It's cool, but it's cool. His point was like a V6 charger versus a Hellcat.

Like, you drive those around. It's different at all, like everywhere. You can feel it. can hear it. That's not... Isn't the Sapphire kind of different? Isn't there... Do you drive it?

Like, the suspension setup is... It is. Way more advanced. The Sapphire is a tremendously exceptional car, but I thought that about the... Regular one. The Dream Edition that I drove also.

Well, who said, sorry, did you dream edition or Dream Edition? Could we discover last week that there's about a 150 horsepower difference? I had a gold one. I had a gold one. They were both... I went up to their...

To their facility in the bay. I drove a gold one around. Yeah. That's what I remember. Performance? No. Was it a thousand and one? horse driver was in 907.

It was gold. Does that help? You're proving his point. It doesn't make a difference. Truly, though, it is pretty much. Like, these are all amazing cars. And yes, the Sapphire is the coolest of cool. And it has better suspension and like, sportier's up.

It drives better. It's just cool, though. I want people to recognize and know that it's cool. Now, unfortunately, everybody walking by the street would think that you have a $700 a month lease special. But you will know that you have a thousand three to 34 horse car. I agree that it's totally cool. It is an amazing car.

It was awesome to drive. I think that about basically all lucids. I think they are bargains. I'm not sure what happens to the company long term. Yeah. But they are incredibly good. Nice. The gravity is not the best looking.

Yes, you can't. Anti-gravity over here. Nice. Kenan, think about it. There's a, your M-5 has, you think it's powerful. Multiply that horse however by three. Bring that, elongate your M-5's hood. And then add 52 more.

Right. The difference is when I drive my car, I know it's special. That's the difference. I don't need to... That's an interesting point. This car has the same level of visual distinction from a regular as a M5. Yeah. Like wheels and probably more suspension of rates.

I just say the M5, when you see an M5 and a 540 driving on the road, for instance, like, you can tell. The whole stance is different. You can sort of tell this. I will say in terms of car, in electric cars that like an enthusiast would look at and say, wow, this is one on. I would say wow. That's the thing. Like the M5, it was louder than the 540. It had, you know, dueling. exhaust.

It was ITBs. And ITBs, yeah, the throttle response. It's not even to get into that. It was a different experience to drive in, though. And it also had a hot,

it wasn't just the power. It was the handling was better. Well, yeah, that's true on this too. Yeah. But the difference is this is electric. And it's just like,

it's already fast as hell as it is. And so like, it really, performance is not. Well, it is cool. It is interesting. And it will be interesting

to see what it brings. We have noted. MSRPEs G50. Okay, pull up C8 Corvettes, because this is, I've started nurses too. I want to talk about some cheapies, cars that have gotten cheap. There was a long time where cars weren't cheap.

They're back. Go down. We've been selling C8 Corvettes, not the Z-O-6, but regular C-8 Corvettes in the low 50s. I mean, we had one that are in the high 40s. These cars are getting affordable. And, you know, it's interesting. They make a ton of them. You see them everywhere.

They're not as special as they were when they came out. But for like two solid years, these RET sticker or above. They were 80s. And also, the performance level that this car offers at this number is free. If you're a cheaper, modern mid-engine car. Like, this is not just a Corvette. Like, yeah, Alpha Romeo 4C. Barely cheaper.

Yeah, I know. Like, this is an insane amount of performance. BMWI3. Oh, interesting. I would call that re-arranged. Calm down. Is this ended in the rear? I don't know.

No one knows. It's re-aranging. Man, that's impressive. This person put on 60,000 miles on in four years. The reality is that price are going down because people have driven them a lot in last years. And they're getting older. I mean, this is now a four, five-year-old car. C-8, honestly, is due for a refresh, which is hard to believe.

Like, it's getting there. That's a good point. It's already getting there. When we still think of it as the new Corvette, that's how I always tell people about it. Still looks great. But damn, it is a total bargain. It is, yeah, when you think about the performance level. 500 horse with dual clutch.

It is fast. It looks. Some people love how it looks. Some people don't. It's certainly striking. It looks modern. It looks like an exotic sports car. It looks like an exotic sports car in a way that Corvette didn't sense the C2, right?

I mean, it's cool. And these things get in the 50s, 60s, 60, to 40s. These are going to follow Corvette. They're depreciating less than regular Corvettes, but they're going to get there. Are they? Yeah, they are. You'll be able to pick one up for 26. Yeah, he won't.

No, he'll be like, you know, in three years he'd be 22. Right, exactly. I'll wait. What do you spent? On the subject of cheap cars, because that's a great one. Look up FocusRs, please. You know about this? I've been watching it.

Why aren't you, why are you by them? I've thought about it. You see this, Kenon? Yeah, I have. We've seen this for $20 grand. We said this is for 20 grand. That is so cool for 20 G. For a nice and blue one especially.

To me, a 20 grand focus, performance focus is an ST, which is probably now a $9,000 car. Like this is, this was like the king car. When this came out, it was like they're bringing the RS to America.

This is so cool. It's so amazing. It was so fast. It looks so cool. And by the way, this isn't even some crappy, horribly modded off color, stupid one.

This is the one. That is the one. This is it. If I wanted one and I do, I would get this. Almost 100. thousand miles. They're getting driven for sure. But go back. It wasn't an outlier sale. No, no, they're all around this. That means the head gasket's been replaced. 20,000, 22,000. These are both

one-owner cars. The nicest ones are the 30s. The nicest ones are in the low 30s, but you can get for low 20s. It's a buy you a focus arrest. This is a fast, fun, like, exactly. Do we even need the SDI anymore? We got this. I've always thought these. I'd buy the ground for sure. For sure. Why did you get one of these? Drive around for 20 G's in that? Nah, I can't. I would think you're cool. He would hate it. He would hate it. He would hate it. He would hated just like you'd like me in an s class too so and a kyanterbski both also very cool but no i have always thought and they're incredible to drive even the st also it's so much fun to drive i cannot believe that they're finally finally getting like those are 20 c8 corvettes are 50 and new body s classes almost are 16 5 for 40 grand you could buy a focus dress and a new body s class at a new body s class 40 g's

will put you in a that's a two-car solution for 40,000 you I can't think of anything about it. That's a good one. I really do. Like, you know, when they killed this car off, I was so sad because like you said,

finally, we got an RS and they were selling. They sold well. People loved them and enthusiasts, but were beloved by journalists and enthusiasts alike. And they sold them. And then Ford was like, nah.

Well, they decided not to bring the focus at all or this yes at all to the US, which is why they killed it. Yep. But it's just such a shame. I wish that had kept going because we finally they can't. The next one was even better looking. I know.

I love the digital. I wish they hadn't, but nonetheless. Yeah. Also, by the way, it's okay because you can still get one of it and they're really enjoyable cars. This one, this one down here, 30,000 mile one owner car sold for 25. Five. Three years ago, I sold a base Ford Focus Hashback with a stick with 110,000 miles for six grand.

How long till we get to these? Those won't go down to that level. But these, but WRXSTIs do indicate where these will go, which means they'll go into the mid-teens to low T, low like 12 to 12 grand. And you're right. STs are 10. That's the bargainous car. If you're watching this right now and you don't already have a focus S-T, go.

Honestly, I agree with that. Everybody's like, what should I get for 10 grand? It's fun. And my answer is often like, honestly, 10 grand, if that's all your budget is, you should really be focused on just trying to find a normal, rational, reliable car. Disagree. Go back. I want an ST.

I want a 5 to 10. Oh, my God. Well, that's not the real. No. No, there you go. ZX-4. Believe that. This is a $9,500.

car. This is, this is an amazing car. Also, that's post-face-lust. I would have spent background. No accidents. Also, 103,000 miles. I love driving Focus STs. The steering is so quick. Would you rather have a Mark 7GTI or a FocusSED? They did a same price. Focus. Unquestionable. They were stick only. They had the cool wheels.

And it just felt like some European thing we weren't supposed to get. Proven by the fact that they gave it to us for a few years, then they pulled it right back. Yeah, exactly. My friend Stephen had one and it was so much fun. They were also a lot more powerful than the Mark 17. Didn't these have 252? I think that's right.

I think it's right. Yeah. That's a big... Yeah. The GTI had 200 or 220. Who knows? Who knows? Not 250.

Agreed. Agreed. And I was referred to with. I loved my base. Also, you floored it in this thing and it went straight even though I'm telling you, this was fast. That engine was so potent. It was like, it felt like a V6. The R.S.

The ST. Yeah. I can't. Oh, man. What a Fiesta STs? The same price. Yeah. It's very annoying.

I would actually make the. argument, though, that the Fiesta is just as fun. Get one of these. Fiestas are more. I just told you to buy the focus. No. Okay. The Fiesta S.C. is known to be a better driver's car. It's more fun.

But the Focused SST, you can actually drive places. And it's much faster. And it's legitimately much for practical. I was generally drove 50,000 miles in a regular focus hatback. And it was comfortable. It was great on the highway. It's interesting to see. At the same price level.

I don't know which one I would pick. Incredibly fiasas are cheap. But I would more expensive. And for now on, anyone who comes to me saying they got 10 grand to buy car what should I get the answer will 100% of the time be focus ST you know how Miata is always the answer no no I'm keeping with my answer which is if you got 20 10 Gen Volvo V60 and if you got 20 V60 yeah they're like 8 to 12 why does he do this to it because he's just and but if you have 2025 and Ford Focus RS you're not this is a manual

hot hatch Volvo V6 is like a car I want more space I want more space for those who can't say Felipe was wearing a Scandinavian Christmas party sweater I'm wearing a sweater. We got to get on to the questions. We got to get on to the questions. He's wearing a sweater. It's 84 degrees today. It just feels Christmasy.

And so he's got to pronounce it. We got to get on the questions. The questions are brought to you by Kennet. Kenneth. He does things. I do. If you want to ask a question, go to cars and biz. com, click on the community tab.

And then there's a post there that says, ask questions. And then you ask your question and we'll answer the question, no matter how brilliant the question is. Oh, thank you. Nice. First question from Sam, Panamara. If Kim Jong-un made you his successor,

which single car model would you force every North Korean citizen to drive? This was the highest-uploaded question. I haven't often thought about what I would force my impoverished population to drive. Obviously, Acura. But I think that's a question, how many, what car can you import many, many, many of? Well, that's a thing. So here's what you got to think to yourself. What deal could you strike?

You know what? Like, if I went to Akira, I was like, hey, look. No, that needs to answer clear. Nissan Central. Yeah, it's going to be Nissan. All these centros. Why? Because they're not, I'm not desperate for sales.

I'm talking about how could they, they scratch my back ice cream. Like if I went to a cure and said, hey, I'll give you some. You get an SSX for yourself. Maybe you give me a 10, 12 NSXs. Or if I went to Stalantis and said, hey, look, I'll buy Dodge Hornets. I'll do it. No one else will, but I will. I'll buy 100,000 of them for my impoverished people.

But you got to make me a night vision, four, five, six a state. You go to go to, you obviously go to Alpha. get the tonale, which is the same car. And then you say that all your conditions drive alphas. And then you get an 8C for yourself. Yeah, at 8C, if I was a, if I was a despot, an 8C is not a hard buy. It's like, they're like 200 and they're pretty available. They're like around.

I want a Night Vision 456. Venice. Yeah, Venice. Let's be clear. I want plebeian crap or or sedan. A Ford or. Which, by the way, was also called the Venice. Did you know that?

So there was. It was the 456 Venice. They come out with this one-off car and the 456 Venice and the 456 Venice estate. Creative. It's an interesting question because you'd want something that people could work on and be as reliable. You don't actually want to give them a tonality because they'll break down and then what's the point? You want to seem like a benevolent. Well, no, just you don't want to deal with it, you know?

I don't want anything that I couldn't get something from the automaker. So you're saying you want Toyotas. I don't want. What can Toyota give me? Well, if you got a L-T-1, that's not enough. Some people would say the LFA, but you're not into that. I don't want no LFA. Maybe they put a manual transmission in it and make it attractive.

I would take an LFA. Not possible. Of course, 100,000 cards would they sell in a week? Yeah, but I'm doing a one-off order here. I'll keep the factories running for a week. I think I buy up every Focus ST around.

For your populace? Yeah, why not. Okay, that's insane. Maybe the guy was buying all the Broncos on the site and stuff. Yeah. We thought shipping them maybe. Yeah. We didn't look into it, though.

Okay. Next question from Verity. What happened to Alanis? We had Alanis King. She worked. She worked with us. She made videos with us. We did a complete rehash of our content.

And we don't do the same videos we used to. And we kind of brought it all physically in studio. Alanis lives out of the state. And she worked with us for a couple of months. And we liked her. And it was a reasonably good situation. But we changed what we do. And that changed.

And so, Atlanta, I mean, in a world of content creators, there's kind of always a going and coming. We had Zach Clapman do some content for us, too. I don't know if that's going to continue. There were other people, weren't there? Yeah. And now it's gone. But we love Alanis.

I still love Alanis. I follow her on everything, and I think she does great content. I seriously, will truly mean that. But instead, we have Felipe now. Yikes. Next question, what is the worst car that currently costs over $100,000 from BW Smith? We just looked on the Maserati website. I'd already answer it.

So is it more or less overpriced than an SL 555 AMG? No, dude. No, that Ghibli was 1903. That Ghibli was 190s. faith. What could they put in a Ghibli to make it worth a hundred nine? Good point. What could they put? $109,000. $1,000.

I have no disagreement. I mean, that's the, yeah. That's the answer. Next question from JDM fan 345. If you were all given the money to equivalent to your car collection, would you buy back all of your cars today or buy different cars? I buy the exact same cars except for white 4GT. Yep.

Well, my, my car collection is worth. conservatively. Yeah, but you're the only one of us who answers that you would buy different cars. If both of your cars were gone today, you buy completely different cars. I sometimes daydream about a tree falling on the car. Because then it would force him to make a decision.

I specifically avoid parking your trees. It would allow me to make a decision. It would force him for once in his life to make a decision. I can't justify the transaction costs. Remember when we went up to Rancho Santa Fe? That was eye-opening for me. We had an hour to pick cars. And at minute 56, me and you,

had three of the four picked and we were upset that we had made some many choices. And he's sitting there like, I see him by my choices, by the way. I had a great X550E. I had a 997.2 and I had some other card. But it was great. We both had a GT3s. He had a Bentley. I know.

I had a 997 GT3. I had a Bentley. And he's over here like, so anyway, the point is Filippo doesn't know how to make choices, but he would buy different cars. It's more that I don't want. I can't justify changing cars. but I would choose different cars

if given the opportunity. Sorry, if given the requirement. You know, you can sell it and another individual will give you money. And therefore,

you get to deal with a bunch of, there's a bunch of work. No. And I like all of my cars. It's not. You guys, we run an auction website. I would just want a different experience

if I were buying something again. Yeah. So get a different experience. You get a different experience. And then you say nah, because you just, I like my courage. Paralysis.

No, no, I like my experience. I just don't want to deal with the changing, but if something else happens, and I have no choice, if I have to go out and buy a car anyways, I may as well buy something new. This is the problem with Felito. You have learned it and heard it right here.

I said by this. Problem with Felito. And by the way, Kenan and I both answered yes unequivocally. I wouldn't even consider it. If all them burned tomorrow, I would start to search for a new Kuntash, courage,

I would have had about, I would have three days of morning first, but then I would, of course, there'd be days of morning. A year's, there'd be a morning curry that ends on the car's birthday. Oh, that's a long time for me because it just happened. Now it is, but if it happened in the spring, it'd only be a six-month morning period where you took the bus.

Oh, that would be awful. Okay. Wait, can I ask a question? Okay, we're talking about your sports cards. You have a couple of daily drivers. Yeah, I would still get an altering. But would you, when you were waiting for your defender, you bought a car for a year? Yeah.

Would you do the same thing of like, I want to find the right Sequoia? I want to find the right alter. No, the right sequoia. We already know what it is. It's pretty easy to find. You could negotiate me a deal by getting zero off. Yeah. Yeah.

And you wouldn't be on a look out for specific spec. You would just buy the suit. No, I'd get this another white one. Well, what if there was one for sale? There is. They're more common now because there's a couple more model years that have happened. Free, 450, all train, same deal. I might look for a new one, but probably not.

I want to order my new one through my buddy Amir at Mercedes Benzotumacula. Shout out to Amir. Okay, but I'm not ready yet. Alec Metz, 2011, given the opportunity to drive it, would you fly overseas to review the Gordon Murray T. 50? No. next question that just doesn't

Doug hates that car Kenned it's bad at me about all right yeah it's yell at me I'll take it you know in the 1990s McLaren introduced a car

called the F1 and you probably looked at him and like oh yawn it doesn't say Ferrari on it and you would have turned down that opportunity to and you'd look like a

complete numpty and here we are it's the designer of the F1 has built another car with one of the most most exciting natural

aspirated engine currently for sale nah now for him admittedly Doug does not like to travel he wouldn't go to Los Angeles to review this I don't think no you'd go to LA for

a T50 you wouldn't go like you go to Phoenix I'd go to Phoenix if Kenon came with me oh please I'll go but he's not allowed to come to the car review he's only like keeping me company in the hotel drive

never mind God look my thing about the T50 is I just there's so many modern hypercars. Yeah, but this one has a manual and it's an NAV-12. It's what we want.

The Al-Qaeda's got an NV12. Yeah, and it's a tip. This is a six-speed manual. I got the Kuntage's a manual, this one. Like, I don't, what's new? It's different. It looked, Gordon-Roy made it. That's the point.

The point is that it takes that analogness to its final conclusion. I just, they're touting it like it's the greatest thing in the world. It's a little weird-looking, to be honest. It is a weird-looking. To be honest, it's also a little, like, clear enough one derivative like oh you like that one here's this one look it looks the same it it has a family back there are concessions that had to be made at the time of the a point it's like what's his company yeah but let's you say enzo ferrari was driven because he

named all those cars let me tell you something there's nobody named ram all right sometimes you just name a company because because that's what you're trying to you know accomplish not you're not name it after yourself i mean there wasn't getting dodged prisler right yeah you miss is the point okay I don't know I just haven't got it and then there's a dot in the name I know that's silly but like it really is a car that it seems like they have come out with to try to appeal to these geeky car people that's you you are a geeky car person but that's us that's what we do this is you will drive it one day and then just like all these other chris you've been moan driving and you drive it's like it's the greatest thing I've ever done

the P1 lonsante you thought oh it's so stupid I have to get in a race couple of it you came back would not shut up about it it will be the same thing with the T50 you'll mark I'll put this day on my calendar too. You can't. But you couldn't get one if you wanted to. What do they cost? I think they started it. I want to say it was like, I want to say it was like two and a half as well,

this is another problem. 2.8 million dollars. Why would I spend 2.8 on a car from an, from a new brand that's like a derivative. Because the car it's derivative of is 20. Yeah, but I could get an F50 for 2.8. I could, I could call up Assad. I could call up Assad today. He's in Moscow.

He's a little bit. been melted to the ground. It doesn't exist. No, you cannot get an F-50 for 2.8. That's outrageous and ridiculous. They sell low-threat. Is that 2.8? I didn't think so.

It's a couple hundred thousand dollars up. My point is... And then you got to put on all these options that are like... Well, it starts there. Well, you have to get the majeal seats because the majority seats over the coin. They look like... And then you got the stitching on the steering wheel. Shut.

No. So just get in the car. Silver. That's not true. That's not true. I have four options. Most of them were silver. Get in that car and shift your own gears and listen to the V12 that sits behind you.

I just can't get into it. I just, I, this is going to be a controversial opinion that people are going to hate me for, but I just don't think it's cool. I just don't, like, when I think about what a cool car is,

it doesn't hit me that the GMA T.50, the Gordon Murray Academy T.50 is cool. It doesn't feel cool. It's so cool. It feels like trying. Having heard it, go around the racetrack, it's insane.

Well, maybe I need to. get in it. They keep telling me that I can't. They're like, we'll get you in a T-33. I guess they're trying to sell those. Like, we can't get you a T-50. But I could get a T-50 to drive. There's a few people. Yeah, I think at some point you will. I look forward to the day that that happens

and you tell me that I was right. And it was- Maybe you're right. I'll take it. I take it all that. I am into the T-50. Vaguely. I don't know. I just know, be true to who yourself. You hate it. And that's okay. You're wrong. I'm just so disappointed so often by these modern cars. I understand, but this has a manual.

Is that the only thing we're looking for? Would I be into the 765LT if it had a manual transmission? It rests at 18,000, I think. It's an insane car. You get my point, though. You get my point. This is like, we talk, bemoan the analog driving experience in those cars. Okay. That's it. Question for you then. Mr. T.50. Suddenly you got three-mall. What do you buy it? A 50. Okay, what do you buy it after the F-50? Really nice. 40. What do you buy it after that? For 3 mil,

you get G2T, you get a VE, get a Shee, GTV, GTV. 275. Oh, you get a Kuntai for a lot less than three. Well, I'm not saying you have to spend every penny of it. What the hell? Oh, that's what I was doing. Sinking cars that are worth in around three. Oh, three cats.

Well, it's free. The F50 would be all. Yeah, okay, F50. But after that, you get an F40. Then after that you get three bills just keeps happening. It's really a situation for it. We're on your list. That's what I'm saying.

How far down is a T50? It ain't. Would you, for three, for cars that are worth around that, it's probably in the top 10. You're right that it's not like in the top three or five. Interesting. But it's up there. What else is three million?

Like 28, GTO? No, no. I can't. I don't fit. What like Pagani is $3 million. So what, what Coet is $3 million? I tried. I don't know anything about Connix.

I wouldn't even. No, but what are you competing against? The Utopia, which is also a stick. That's, that's true. Why aren't you talking about Utopia? Like you're talking about T.5.0. Gordon Murray Academy. Why are you talking about Utopia?

Utopia is a stick. It's also 3MIL. Why are we talking about Utopia? You got some Pagani anti-bias here. You're just into Gordon-Marie. No, that's the problem. They're both sticks. Because the Utopia looks exactly like the car.

So what? They both are cool? It is. The Gordon-Marey is not a fan on the back. It's not a natural aspirated V-12. Oh, for God's sake. Where's those goalpost? So I can't see them.

They've been moved so far. I don't like turbo lag. And you know what the T-50 doesn't have? Turbo lag. Give me a break. It's the 16,000. You think it doesn't have lag? If you're at the 2000 market, you think it's the 16? You think it just does that? It does. It revs incredibly fast. You haven't read engine any of the, the range of the brain. I draw a Valky. It's fast, but 12,000 RPM takes some time to get to. And by the way, they figured out turbo like. They solved that. They solved that. They sold that in the XJ 220. You think that Pagani has clocked those turbos to the point where there's not no lag. Why don't you think they have? Pagani makes great call. the fire extinguisher would go off on the car on an accident when it was sitting at quail. I mean, and it was the best car I've ever driven in my life. It was the best car ever came up 25 years ago, 30 years ago. That just proves this.

Utopia should be better. This was not intended to be a 10-minute question yet here we are. Well, you're infuriating. You know nothing. All right, that's the end. We have to stop here because we've got way, way over. There's probably ads all over this podcast, which I apologize for. And I apologize for Ken and two or maybe for myself.

I don't know. I apologize for yourself. I think people agree with that. Let's get the car. Let's get the car. Someone give us a T5, T.50, Gordon-Mary Academy, and we'll see if I'm right over if you're right. Yes, please send us on. All right. Let's do that. Let's drive the car and then we'll report back.

All right around. We can all look all free going in. That's true. It's that they're in board. It's one of them in three-seater. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Like the new key telluride. Would you be into the speed tail if?

It had a manual? He's not wrong. It's ugly. It doesn't look like a salamander. The teleride steering was still on the left. Right. In the T. Dot 5 O. Gordon Murray Academy, it's on the middle. I know, but I'd appeal to the other category of our listeners.

Can I tell you something? The McLaren's Speedtail? You can charge on a charging pad. I know. It looks like a salamander. Can you charge the Gordon-Marie Academy team? Does it need it? Because it's an NAV-12.

Fair point. I would accept a plug-in hybrid if it meant that I could have a charging pad. Thank you all for watching. Sorry about that Volkswagen van situation. We'll talk about it next week. We'll talk about it in a few months. next week and uh absolute pleasure mercedes pure speed go pick one up our best podcast yeah our best podcast ever gordon murray academy goodbye