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Episode Date: July 17, 2026

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I'm Philippo. And there's a lot to cover today. Let's start with the news. And let's start with Lucid. That's tough. Lucid had some news this week. Philippa, you want to take us through what happened here? Yeah.

So Lucid has had some struggles of late, let's say. Yeah. We talked last week about how the gravity is being advertised as 0% financing because there's 0% interest. They, there was some, reports yesterday on Tuesday that they had engaged a firm to help it called Alex Partners that does like bankruptcy protection and restructuring things now Lucid's statement unequivocally is that they are not going bankrupt they're also not going private and the goal of engaging Alex partners is to just help

them restructure they brought in a new CEO they fired a bunch of staff they've restructured a bunch of things and they want help doing that to try to help make them profitable and by profitable I mean losing marginally less money every single month. The market obviously has taken this as they're going bankrupt. Well, I want to be clear. Alex Partners is not a company that helps with bankruptcies and restructuring. It's also potentially an advisor that could just help streamline and improve your business operations. It was a signal.

Well, it wasn't just as – and it's not unusual for a company to hire an outside company to help them improve. a lot of companies we love have done that including some of Felipe's favorites um but there was a a report or a leak got out that maybe one of the things they were considering and part of their improving their business operations was chapter 11 they just have strenuously denied this the stock market um obviously word of this gets out and people start sniffing around and it has a pretty negative effect on your stock price and just sort of the general feelings around your company with which the stock price is highly correlated. Anyway, Lucid denied it like crazy.

And for all we know, their denials could be completely accurate. I bet they are. They also might not be. Obviously, we know Lucid's been having trouble. They have an enormous amount of unsold inventory. Philippo told us something a couple weeks ago we were talking about Lucid that they, what was it, that they weren't, they had slowed down production because they had so many They have some supply chain issue with the gravity.

That means that they're not producing cars. They had pause production. They'd also cut a shift. The supply chain issue is that so many of them are sitting unsold that they no longer need a supply chain. They have all the supply. They don't need the chains. Anyway, they don't know if they've said that this isn't. The bankruptcy is not in their immediate future.

And that could very well be true. But certainly they're not in great shape. And the stock, you know, if a report came out that General Motors was seeking bankruptcy, I don't think the stock market would believe it. The response to this lucid thing clearly proves investors jitters are ready about the future and current state of this company. Yeah. To be clear, lucid stock, if you zoom out, not doing great since launch. It's like there was a spike when they launched and then the way of my public and then just slowly the climb. There's a lot of forces at play here, for Lucid specifically. I think that they're in a uniquely difficult market position.

They've kind of positioned themselves in this high-end luxury market. There were some pretty significant subsidies that were benefiting them initially when they launched that have gone away. So they're already expensive products have become even more expensive. There's been a general turnaway in consumer sentiment from EVs. Do they sell globally, Felipe? I think in theory, but the U.S. is their biggest market. The U.S. is the biggest market, which is kind of produced in the U.S. Well, they're assembled in the...

They build them here, which can't be cheap. They've already started... The market has just generally started rejecting these. And those are... A lot of that stuff is things that they couldn't necessarily control, except for maybe the price point. The real issue that they could have controlled, I think, was there is a perception that the cars are challenging to own.

There's a lot of talk about software issues and glitches and other problems like that. And I think that at that price point, that helps to keep people. away. I think that a lower-priced vehicle, maybe that looked a little bit differently, would have had a little bit more success. Yeah, I mean, they launched with a large sedan, followed by a large SUV. They do have... Minivan. Minivan, that's right. Be very clear about it. They... Sure. They do have smaller models coming up, but this is like a tough part of the segment to compete in, especially if you know, volume. And thankfully, they have the Cosmos and the, whatever the other one is called. I just don't look.

live in the world of coming up. To me, it's like the R2 is on sale. Like, we got one live. Like, the R2 is on sale today. The model Y has been on sale for 10 years. I don't live in the world of coming up. Philippa, I'm going to ask you as an automotive industry expert and owner of several mediocre cars, what, you think they're going bankrupt? I think that they are exploring all possible options. They're actually saving, by the way, is that the consulting firm had not recommended that they filed for bankruptcy. I think they still have a chance to split off some things, maybe sell some technology, get acquired or continue creating models in some much more limited fashion.

I have a feeling they will need to sell a lot of assets. They do have a lot of debt, which will be a struggle. To what extent do you think the Saudi backing has an effect on people not purchasing the cars? Minimal. Really? I mean, you don't think there's a lot of California liberals who are trying to save the environment, which is probably their prime market, who look at the fact that, okay, who saved the environment, oh, wait, the Saudis are backing this company.

If that were the thought process, I think especially in California, Tesla would not have continued to have sales success, which they have with the Model Y and the Model 3. Well, maybe. I mean, it's a different market segment. I feel like people who buy Teslas are making a decision based on, you know, price point and affordability, whereas people who buy Lucids are, it's an expensive car that they sort of see as a prestige object and, you know, do they see it like that with the, with, I don't think it matters. I think it just, the product is a good product. The air and the gravity are both excellent products that are just not compelling to consumers

that are looking for that for a high-end luxury product. You know what I would do if I were lucid and if I wanted to succeed? Gas power. Go after upscale nurturers and trend-setting achievers and active explorers. My God. I'm sorry, can you say, yeah. I was going to say to Filippa's point, I've seen a lot of, I bought this court before I knew Elon was crazy stickers.

haven't seen any. I bought this for a car before I realized the Saudis had backed its stickers. Because that identifies you as an idiot. Elon being crazy, Elon being crazy, you could have make the argument. Oh, I didn't know. I did buy it before. But the Saudis have always been becking lucid. So you couldn't make that argument except to say that you were just not doing your research. And I think that everybody who buys those cars knows that. To your point, if we see when we should be like, man, that guy backs the Saudis. We know, I don't think. I don't think there's a lot of other things that's circling. The golf thing is interesting. Yeah. Don't anything, Polipo?

The Gulf is interesting. The Saudis have kind of demonstrated with LiveGolf that they may not be willing to keep throwing good money after bad after certain people. We all thought, because the Saudis had come up with this idea for a building that was a mile long. I think it was supposed to be 100 miles long, and it was a mile long. And we all thought that they just had endless money, that it was like Sultan of Brunei, 1996. And now we're learning maybe they have a limit. It's also been a tough year.

You know, it's easy to feel bad for this. for the Saudi government regime. Okay. Next new strike, okay. Let's move on there. Interesting take. Speaking of companies that are massively struggling,

Volkswagen has said that they are going to need to be cutting up to 100,000 jobs, closing four factories and cutting half of their cross-brand model lineup. I don't mean just a Volkswagen brand. Volkswagen Auto Group owns a lot of brands or owns large stakes in a lot of brands. and has partnerships that also mean models across Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, Scoda, Seat, Volkswagen, there's a bunch of other... Who got it? When we look back on the auto industry in 30 years, we're going to look back on these years as being some of the most pivotal years

in the automotive industry, where, you know, EVs were becoming a thing, and China and globalization was becoming a thing, and then certain markets shifted away from EVs, and then there was, like, this is, it's crazy the kind of shakeup that's happening right now, and tariffs became a situation. Vox, it's hard to overstate just how big of a deal it is for Volkswagen to be laying off people and shutting down factories. Isn't Volkswagen's thing

that they've never laid off anybody or something like that? They are historically quite proud of their, especially in Europe, union relations and kind of the commitments that they've made and the commitments they've been able to hold to. They're going to be in a really tough spot,

right? So their Chinese market's not going as well as they want to. That's going to be, that's a huge driver of their struggles. A lot of their new development, including EVs, hasn't been as successful as they want.

They haven't actually launched most of the EVs that they plan for the U.S. in the U.S. and their U.S. sales are also just kind of made. And in Europe, there's so much competition from the Chinese and other manufacturers that mean that they're struggling there too. And so they have to make really, really, really comprehensive cuts to remain at all solvent after a certain point.

I mean, they have a lot of assets. They have a lot of, like their balance sheets may be okay, but they need to take action now. They would argue that they needed to take action a few years ago, but they were really stopped by the German government and the unions. And that's really pretty much to go through that. And then there was that whole thing where they were, They were killing people with the emissions. That was a struggle.

That was a tough point. But I want to talk because this isn't just about the automotive industry, but also practical information for enthusiasts, about the models that, per some reports, they will be cutting or will no longer survive this. The Jeddah and the Volkswagen Taos will be dead. The Jeddah is still on sale? Yeah, they just had a big refresh for the third time. Big.

Yeah. The Taos also just had a re-refresh. but that that's not going to these are not, this is not a poll star situation where they won't be for sale in 2027.

This is a, there will not be a next generation. There will not be another refresh. This is the end of the line. Yeah. There will not be a next generation Tycom. I mean, what a shot.

Yeah. You know what, wait, before you finish, I'm going to tell you what else there's need to be a next generation up. There's not going to be a next generation ID Buzz.

The FWareg will not return globally. The Volkswagen, what is it called now, the C.C. which is now called the RDII. That's dead. That's already dead. That will not come back.

The Passat will not be manufactured in any capacity in any market. By the way, these are not ones that were named. There's the T-Roc. Is there a convertible T-R-R-R-Sell? The T-Roc sells well. The T-R-Row sells well. Not compared to T-Row-sells well.

I would not be shocked. It sounds like what you're saying is they're having trouble selling, they're having trouble profitizing small cars. That's part of it, but it's not just small cars, right? The Q, I think it's a lot of like a trim variant that they will not. Oh, yeah, we can go beyond Vox's.

Yes, the Q4 definitely will not return if it still isn't exist. The ones that they've said are the Q5 sportback and the Q6 sportback. So the sportback varies. Oh. Obviously, the A1 sport back, the Q2, the Fabia. Let's go to Fabia, which is actually a really notable small car nameplate in Europe. The Q2 is going away? I know, tragic. Cannon.

Filippe-Fo, Kenan, pull up a picture of a Q2. One really interesting one is they have, this report at least, says that they will, even though we've been talking a lot about Porsche's decision, to figure out how to put an internal combustion engine in the 718, they've said that per this report, there will not be a gas-powered 7-18 coming. So we've had a lot of back and forth. Originally, they said it was going to be the only,

and then they delayed the launch so they could have a gas-powered version. They've now, per this report, at least, decided not to do that, that it's not worth investing. I'm going to tell you something. Portia dealers who have just been asked a year or two ago to build a brand-new facility, after building a brand new facility a few years ago that looks like a football helmet

are going to be livid if they cancel the Tycon and the 718 and they're throwing Evie McCanns down their throats and Evie Kyanns down their throats. If I was a portion dealer, I would literally be on a plane to Stucart right now to start throwing some people, knocking some heads around. You know what I'm saying, Kenon.

I do know what you're saying. If they don't do a gas 718, I don't, apparently their plan is to at least for this report from Bill, which is a German newspaper, that is the current plan, is to not have a gas 718. The electric 1718, not on the axed list. So that might still happen. So the car nobody wants from the beginning is the car they're going to go with?

That's a good decision. Yep. Boy. And we're going to lose the Q2, which has been a fantastic partner for our Mexican listeners. You know, I had a rental car T-Rock four years ago, and it was great. As most Volkswagen products kind of are, they're just good. But they're in a really tough position because they, the unions so far in Germany have absolutely rejected the plan to close four factories and cut 100,000 employees. I would imagine.

It's got down to 50,000 employees from kind of some recent statements. But they're in a tough position where they will need to have real cost savings. They will not be able to keep throwing money at things. The good news for enthusiasts is that there's no planned cuts to Lamborghini. They already killed the EV, and that was probably the only thing they could. Yeah. Hey, Felipe. Are they going to keep making the Teramont?

I'm sorry? The Volkswagen Teramont. Are they going to keep making that? That's the Atlas, so yes. Just got redesigned for 27, by the way. This one, Doug's favorite things is to try to get Felipe. Oh, I have to look that one. He had to Google it.

He had to Google it. He doesn't know anything. I don't know that one. It's going to be interesting. Some of them are obvious. The Q5 Sportback. Okay, sure. But also,

How expensive is that place? The Jeddah. Apparently, the Volkswagen Tiguan was named by combining the German word for tiger, which is something like tiger, with the German word for iguana, which is like Legwan or something. Tiguan. Do you think that there's some regrets now that Volkswagen is cutting all these jobs, do you think that there's some regrets that the car was named so stupidly?

I think they should have kept naming them after Wins. Wins. It's always thought. Yes. Yeah, I think that was actually there in it, too. They ran out. Yeah. They really ran out.

Just like their sales. Lamborghini will run on a bulls. All right. No, they keep the story. Bulls are born every day. The type of wind doesn't change that much. Famous ones are not. Well, you wait.

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See the website for more details. I want to move on to talk about Porsche because, you know, what's folks going on? And it's you, of course. Yeah, of course. We have first half of the year Porsche results. And they're really, really interesting. Overall volume was in a tough spot because it turns out. Macon availability is limited because they're not making that many macons and nobody wants an EV.

Panamara has a new design. Tycon sales are half what they were in 2025, 2025. But one bright spot, 9-11 sales. So far through 2026, about 8,500, that's up from 5,400 the year before. Yeah, but wasn't the car, the car was like ending its life cycle last year. It was the dot one to the dot two. It's not a big trend. Yeah, but it was this time because they switched to,

hybrid. There was a period where they didn't have any. I'll tell you this. They should be so, they should be thrilled that they have the 9-11 and that they continue to convince to erroneously convince people that in some limited production car that they're still paying all the money for. Because boy, do they not gotten much else. Have they sold any Kian EVs? Did they sell any? They don't break out EVs versus not EVs, so I can't answer that. That's good for them. Overall sales in the first half of the year are down 15% year every year, because everything else is not selling.

Obviously, there's no 718 anymore, which was 3,700 sales the first half of last year. You know what? You know what it feels like? 4, 9-11, strong. You know what it feels like for Porsche? It feels like 1992.

Oh, yeah, that's tough. They were circling the drain. Luckily, we got, what, 12 more years before the cayon comes out? What do you mean, luckily? The cayenne changed the world. I know. And it has a low range.

Maybe 12 years from now, the new product that will change their trajectory will come out again. Yeah. Yeah. Next story, please. Oh, Nissan. This is the Nissan Ultima. The Nissan Ultima is dead after this year, which leaves a single sedan in Nissan's lineup, the Centra. The Center got bigger.

Is anything sacred? I mean, the Ultima is so old. We were all surprised when it stayed around for 2026. Is anything sacred? The Ultima is an incredibly popular car. You see them everywhere. It's unbelievable. The rental fleets will just buy Centros instead.

It works out. First, they cancel the fourth generation Pathfinder hybrid after just one model year, 2014. And then they cancel the Ultima. How could they do this to us? I was on the Pathfinder Hybrid launch. I gave my time for that car. Yeah, it was in Nashville.

Of course it was. That's where they're based. Great. The Ultima being dead is a little bit surprised as there's not a replacement. Their view is we made the Centra bigger. Therefore, it can play in this segment that we think is dying. Unfortunately, enterprise will be left to Shedman Albu's. Let me tell you something.

When I was, I'm going to tell you guys a story. I was 14 years old. We always talk about the mid-2000s being this like seminal point in car enthusiast history. It was an incredibly important point in Nissan's history, too. I was 14 years old when the 2002 Ultima came out. Filippo pull up or Kenan pull up a picture of a 2002 Ultima. The best car. The best car.

The 2002 Ultima saved Nissan as a company. Look at that. Yep. There it is. Now that's a 2.5 SL. That was a rare trim. But the V6 was really the hot rod of the whole situation. It was fast and efficient.

And this car saved Nissan. That's a V6. That's a 35 SC. That was the right car. It saved Nissan. And here we are, all these years later, saying goodbye to this car, as if just tossing aside in the wind? Yeah, pretty much. There are some...

Nissan's product lineup is getting a little bit interesting. They'll have... They also killed the Rogue hybrid or Plug-in Hybrid, but that's because that was an Outlander. The actual Rogue E power, which is... It doesn't really matter. You don't care, Kenan. It's coming out next year. They also have some, the Xterra is coming out of the next year or two.

There's some other things entering, but the lineup is kind of sparse for a few years and very, very light on sedans and cheap cars. I can't believe this. Now, the rogue, they have the rogue and the misnamed rogue sport, which should have its own name, which would convince consumers that it's its own product, which it is. Yeah. The Versa, by the other, but they also died after this year. Just throwing out there. The Versa's dead. Kenan, what do we have left in this world?

If the typhon is gone. Right. How am I going to identify very risky drivers with the big Ultima energy? They're going to drive central. No, I mean, those people drive used Ultimus. Those are still still driving 08 Ultimas with a long-term signal. With the CVT that somehow hasn't blown up. But it's gone out.

It's gone on. Can you name any of the Nissan lineup? Currently? Yeah. I have it up. I didn't need it, but I have it up. What, there are five cars they make right? There are.

I can name them all. There are seven SUVs and three cars on. their website. Three of these are dead. I can name them all. You ready? Yeah. All right.

Go ahead. Rogue? Yep. Rogue sport. No, the rogue sport is no more. Sorry. Rogue plug-in hybrid, which is a different car. Yes.

Pathfinder. Yep. Armada. Armada, yep. Oh, yeah, yeah. Whatever. However you say it. Frontier.

Yep. Ultima Versa, Leaf. Oh, Leaf is an SUV according to them. Yep, Leif is S&SUV? ARIA. Is ARIA still on there? No, Aria's dead. I'm sorry. I know it's dead, but sometimes they leave it on the website. I mean, I'm sitting here.

You're missing two SUVs. They're two of their strong-selling SUV models. Two of their, uh... And you've named many that don't exist, like the Rogue Sport. Okay, hit me. What are they? The Kicks, which is their small SUV. Oh, yeah, of course. And the Murano, obviously.

Marano's dead too. It exists. But it also has the Nissan Z. Oh, yeah, so did the consumers. All right, move on to the next news strike, please. Oh, man, this is a disturbing group. This is a huge news story. The Grand Tour is back.

We have Thomas James and the Train Fellow. And when is it premiering, Philippo? September 4th. September 4th, Labor Day. Mark your calendars. Instead of having a cookout with your friends, and your neighbors, put on the Grand Tour. Here's what you do.

You take a bed sheet. You hang it from your roof. You get a projector. And then when you're having your cookout, you project the Grand Tour, right, so that everyone in your neighborhood can see it. Do you agree with that, Felipe? That's an idea.

Can I tell you some of the things that they've announced will be episodes? Please. Yeah, I'm very curious. All right. Apparently from Amazon's press release, things that you will see on the Grand Tour, crossing the Angolan Desert and track cars.

Oh, that sounds good! Exploring Malaysia's vibrant car culture. Heading to California to test cutting edge performance cars. Zinger. That sounds more. Even less. And then challenging fighter pilots and even an entire nation's legal system. That sounds good.

That sounds good. I don't understand what that means. No, I don't either, but I'm curious to see what it. I mean, look, I'm very happy to give them a shot, of course. We love them. I'm very just curious to see how this trio works together. I'm excited about it. I'm into it personally.

I will definitely give it a shot. I know there's a lot of angst on the internet right now about this. And it is impossible to follow up the other trio, if we're honest. It will not be the same thing. Can you pull up the proton perdana? This is going to be relevant. We're going to talk about Malaysia. Yeah, pull up the proton per dana.

P-E-R-D-A-R-D-A-Proton-A. Now, exploring Malaysia's car culture, folks, you don't even have to watch the grand tour, although you should. Is the first generation, is this just a regal? It's a Honda Accord. Wait, go to a different picture. No, it depends on the year. I'll tell you that much.

There you go. Zoom in on that. Zoom in on that. Folks, this is the proton perdana. Now, I don't know if you are aware of this, but it's a Honda Accord. Hmm. Isn't? Wait, it doesn't depend on the year.

It turns out there was a heavy facelift, and it stayed as a Honda Accord, but they just changed the look of it a lot. But it's still a Honda Accord. Look at that. That is just like a 2012 Honda Accord. This is Malaysia's car culture right here, folks. Some regal tilts. But you see in the doors, it's a Honda Accord. Yeah.

I see a lot of regal. I see a lot of regal. But I do see the door and the character line. Malaysia's car culture involves this company proton taking old Japanese designs and making them into, like, selling them as new cars. Now, I can't wait for the train guy to tell us about this. He's going to do a much better job explaining it than I did. Fliper, are you going to watch?

Of course. I'm very excited. I will watch. I will also say, James Anglesman texted me the other day and said, Oh wow,

you got a text with him? You consistently make sense on the pod. And so I appreciate that, James. Thank you. You got his number? How'd you get his number?

He Instagram DM me, to be fair. But so, close enough. You can, you know. I got his number, okay?

No, I don't have train guy's number. Francois. Francois. But it's got, it's in Britain, so it's got a lot of digits. I think single-handedly started a Honda Fit or Honda Jazz craze.

And I don't know if it was his doing or if you followed the craze, but the Honda Jazz in the UK is like a hot commodity right now. Really? Yeah, as it should be. It's a good car. It's a, yeah. All four generations. Well, hey, I've been Kevin got one.

Yeah, the first one. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. We should get jazz badges for him, don't you think? We should. We should. We should. Well, here's an interesting factoid for you.

Are you aware that the Honda Fit Jazz was called the Honda Life in China. I was not. Thank you for sharing that. I mean, you're just full of obscure facts today. Should we move forward? Maybe. No, wait, go back a little bit.

We've got to give them a little bit more time. These are our personal friend. I'm quite hopeful and excited that there will be more teasers coming out. Kenan, are you watching this? Yeah, I am absolutely going to give it a try and say how it goes. Like I said, I'm not a, I really hope they don't try to mimic what the other three had done. I really hope they do their own thing.

I'm very curious how these three worked together in terms of... I know these two work together in terms of chemistry, but I'm not sure how Francois... Are you skeptical about that? I'm a little skeptical about the train guy. You're still skeptical about the train guy. Yeah, I mean, I follow him and his enthusiasm for trains is fascinating. But I am, like, curious about how that's going to translate on a TV.

He can't have a camera, like, here looking down on this. That's his thing, like, looking distorted. Like, I just don't know exactly how he's going to interact. What? What are you for him? What happened to Chris Harris? That's a great question. He was involved in some show.

What was it? Top Gear may have heard of it. Well, I don't know. Let me tell you my experience with Top Gear and Grand Tour. I watched the first Top Gear was, the one that was with Clarkson and James May and the other of the short fellow Hammond. And it was wonderful. And then they went on Amazon and I kind of lost touch with which one was called. To me, Top Gear is those guys.

So when they went on Amazon, I still referred to that as Top Gear. But then there was a different Top Gear that went on in the UK with Joey from Friends and Chris Harris. Is this about correct? Yeah, pretty much. It's accurate adjacent, yeah. That's pretty good. Okay. So Chris Harris was on Top Gear after the guys left Top Gear.

Yeah. And did that end? It did. Not only did he stopped doing that, but the whole show ended. The show ended. Top Gear is dead. We should bring that back. Why don't we bring that back to three others?

There have been other spinoffs that I think have come back and forth. But we're funny. Well, Top Gear did in fairness. It went away from the program. Top Gear US. It'll be interesting. I think you can't compare it to what it was. I also didn't necessarily love all the Grand Tour episodes.

I don't know that I've seen all of them because I don't, whatever. It'll be interesting to see what it comes out as. I think people have to go in with an open mind. But hopefully we see more, but teasers, trailer, whatever, to give us a sense of what it will feel like. People are fickle. Like, it's a hard. It is a hard, so I think, for a lot of people. But I am absolutely willing to give it a chance.

Just like I gave Topka USA, shout out to producer Sean, who made that back in the day. I gave that a chance. I did stop watching eventually. But I will still give this a shot. I want to see them do well. I'll tell you this. I think we're going to give them a run for our money because we're going to run over Nick's Ford Focus,

and we got a buddy Kevin who's got a Honda Fit, Jazz, City Life, and we're going to run over that too. That's too tall. It's very tall. It's not that tall. It's not too tall. It's like quite an incline. Also, you can't kill a fit.

It's not allowed. It's too space efficient. It's not fair. All right. You've got it. Let's talk about the to-do list item that survives every to-do list. You know the one. Make a doctor's appointment. It's been on there since, honestly, I don't even remember.

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The Fiat CEO has said that they want to go after younger people with the Topolino. In Europe, there are countries where you can have a car. Didn't happen. Next segment. They might come out with an Abarth thing. They said it would be really cool to have an Abarth Topolino. Would you buy that? Absolutely not, but maybe somebody would.

Maybe instead of 20 miles of range, it'll get 14 miles of range. But it'll be faster. Instead of not getting to 60, maybe it'll, Still not get to 60. This is cute. I think there are communities in the U.S. where it will legitimately sell. Not as I'm not saying to do well, it will sell.

Cornado. Yeah. In Europe, there's this whole market of small cars that don't require a full license to drive, which is where this plays. But apparently they've mostly been getting mid-40s people to buy that. It'll be interesting point.

It's an interesting point that you mention that. If we were in Europe, would you be driving one of those three-wheel Fiat 500s? No, he'd be on a bicycle, obviously. Pull up, Kenon, pull up the three-wheel Fiat 500. You know what I'm talking about? Of course. There's a company that converts V8500 to three wheels and removes the 500 E's as memory serves to three wheels and four wheels, really, but three.

Are you aware of this? Are you aware of this? I like the one. It's frack. It's a, it's a German thing only. Apparently in Germany, like three wheels is like a different driver's license qualification. Some Germans are going to write it and give us the precise reason that this is done down to the letter of the law. days in which you can drive it per year.

But there's some company that does this in Germany and to exploit some loophole. And if Felipe was a German boy instead of an Italian boy, look at that happy German kid. Zoom in on that. Zoom in on that happy German kid. So happy my son today. We'll learn how to drive in a car with the wheels are in the wrong place.

But he saves so much money. It's wonderful. There you go. Now we're getting the Topolino. All right, give us our next news story, which is a big one. A big one. Oh, yes. Are you rich? Do you want to go fast? So there's a new McLaren.

There's so many cars that are in that category. But McLaren is the king of it. And this is the latest in that edition. So this is the 788 H.S. This is going to be a limited production car that are making 200 of them, 100 cruised, 100 convertibles. It makes 777 horsepower. The torque is the same. It's predecessor. But HS stands for high sport. Wait, what is its predecessor? Is it predecessor the 750S or the 765 LP?

750s. So it's going on 720S, then 765L2, then 750s. But they're not replacing, right? They're just like the high, like the 750S exists, well, just a high performance version? Well, they're saying this is the end of the line. This is the end of the line for the 720s-based platform, which has been around since 2011, I think,

which is kind of hard to, I think that's right. But the 720s. Not quite that long, but it's been around that long. It's like 2015, I think. Yeah, 2017, something like that. But 2017, it was a solid of Amelia Island. But, yes, this, I mean, so it's, it's another McLaren. Like, to me, it looks like yet another McLaren.

I am, I don't know if I'm sad that the 720s platform is going away. I think it is actually one of their better platforms. But life progresses. Life progresses. You know, I was the same recipe as always. Here's the 720S thought for you. I was having dinner with my friend Lucas the other night. And we, the following thought hit us.

You know how the Ferraris, there are always people who like perfectly preserved. So there's like seven mile Ferraris and like, thousand-mile Ferraris, and they're, like, pretty readily available because there's, like, preservation people for Ferraris. It doesn't matter the model. Doesn't matter the year. You can always find, like, a low mileage, everything. There is no one doing that with McClarence. Like, like, there is no guy who in his, in his collection, you know, all plugged into tenders in their car covers, has, like, a 720s. Like, every 720s is out there getting wrapped and tuned and bad wheels, and, like, all of them are in that situation. And it's going to be, like,

first gen in 10 years can be like first gen gyardo's where you literally cannot find a nice one because they do not anymore exist it does not exist no one saved them they were all bought by bitcoin guys who wanted to go fast they were all tuned they the interiors are ripped up the the paint is bad the headlights the panels are misfit that's the future of every mcclaren when it becomes such an interesting point i'd never really consider that but you're absolutely correct you will not see nice. Now, you still can see nice ones now, 720s, but I think they're going to start hitting next owners, next

owners over these next few years, and there won't be a single nice one in existence. So maybe one person, please tuck one away for posterity. But yeah, it's all right. Well, I think, but I think the high performance, more limited to show, like those are... No, no,

the LTs and stuff is a different story. But I mean, like, the 570s, the 720s, all the regular performance for Claren's, are all just going to get beat up, driven hard, tuned. That is so interesting because with all Ferraris, like you could find,

I drove a 1900 mile 308 that we sold on the site. All Ferrari models, there's an example of that. Oh, yeah, and when you think about collections, the hushed room with Ferraris plugged into tenders and, you know, soft lighting.

That guy does not have any McLarence. That guy does not want any McLarence. He has not ever thought, I mean, an F1, of course, or P1. But he ain't getting in a 720 a lot. No, or 788 HHS, prog. Are these for sale?

They are for sale. But like I said, they're only going to be 200 of them, so I'm sorry, Philippo, you're probably not going to be able to get one. I know you're a rich guy who likes to go fast. I think that 200 units actually represents a pretty significant production run. When you're thinking about the end of the line for the 720s, I think you will be able to get one, Felipe, if you would like to get one. I'm good.

It's, well, like 500, $500,000, some of them. They didn't announce pricing. Their speculation. It'll be in and around that price figure, yeah. Great. Give us the final news story, the most important of all. Okay. This one is for you, Doug.

This is not the last news story, I don't think. This is an important one. So, Lamborg, the chief marketing officer at Goodwood was this past week, and he said that they're going to continue to make strato versions. They want to continue to make crazy additions of their cars. Now, he cited actually something very practical. He says, quote, we have customers that live in the country. We have customers who use their cars to hook up a trolley with the horses.

So they need a car to do that with. And that's his argument. An attempt at a rational argument. which maybe is a very Italian, what you want someone from Lamborghini to do? I don't know, man. It's crazy. But they did specifically mention something, Doug,

that you had talked about. You said they should do a strato version of the Uris. They should do a specific off-road version, and they said, that's what the car is. It already exists. At its core, it is built to do that. So, unfortunately, you're not going to be able to get that. But I am here for them doing more, like, crazy, weird.

I think this lift should be higher. I think they should do more crazy. It's fun that they did. Isn't it great, the irony, Volkswagen Group, because canceling the Jetta and dis-shuttering factories, but they're going to do off-road versions of a $600,000 sports car. Great optics there. Because people need to hook up their trolleys.

Right. Yeah. Filippo, you ever hook up a trolley? I don't even know what that means in the context of a Hurricanes Starado. I don't either. The whole statement was ridiculous. But I don't know. I'm here for these cars.

I do think that it's one of the most compelling versions of the Hurricanes. So if they make those with the John Tamarian, I'll be happy about that, too. Storado was not a strong seller. I'm surprised they're going to do more, but I'm thrilled they are. It's just kind of going to be a different car with the John Tamarian because it's such a heavy car, and it's such a big car that it probably won't quite feel as nimble, and it's going to be so expensive.

The Hurricanes Sturado, the Hurricanes Sturado, was a pretty cool market segment. It was a V-10 still. It was relatively affordable compared to everything that has come later. It was kind of a cool little thing. It was kind of lithe, dynamic, athletic. All right, give us our actual final news story. Speaking of V-10. Final news story.

Folks, this is the biggest and most important news story of the week, and I'm going to tell you why. Lexus brought itself Al-Faida Goodwood, and we all discovered that it doesn't make sound, and the reason it doesn't make soundflap, but it is because it is... Electric, this is a discovery. No, they have announced it already,

but we all thought they were lying, and then they actually showed it to us, and we said, oh, my God, they're telling the truth. Here's my problem with this, and I'm going to explain my thoughts, and Kenon, you can agree with them. The previous LFA is agreed by everyone to be an utterly mediocre automobile, with the exception of its power train and engine note.

Those were the only distinguishing and fantastic characteristics it had. It was this level of car with this level of power train and engine note. And so for the new one, what they've decided to do is remove the only positive thing about the previous car. Do you, am I wrong in thinking this? It's, okay, so it's not the only car in this platform. There's also the GR GT, which is V8 power. Isn't that V8? Doesn't that have a V8?

Yes, that does. So I think what they're trying to do is that they really want the GR brand to be the sporty brand in Toyota umbrella. It is indeed a standalone brand in Toyota's eyes, even though the only GRs are the Rav 4 and the Corolla in the U.S. Okay, you still haven't given me any reason why the LFA did. No, no, I don't have a reason. But I think what they're trying to do is like have,

like they want to differentiate the Lexus. offering and just making it more luxurious doesn't make sense to them they want the grgt to be the sporty v8 track car and they wanted the lfay to be like technology from the lexas lc which offered a v8 and a hybrid yes no you think they canceled the hybrid because it was purchased by 11 total human beings over a 10 year span i think all they're hoping to sell is like 12 EVs hey if they're hoping to sell 12 they'll sell them the same way they sold the lfas which was to lexas dealers as a as a as a carrot that if they sold if they bought an LFA they would give them more RX allocations yeah however if they want to sell to actual enthusiasts we want a V10 kennan tell the look into the camera and tell

the world what we want V10 manual yes that's what well yeah with a better transmission that would have been nice that was the worst part of the LFA in addition to its price tag with the transfer no if the LFA had PDK it wouldn't it wouldn't suck but unfortunately it does and now they're a million dollars so and this will be an EVV because they really do want Lexus to be like the, what they call it the vanguard of the electrification for Toyota. The vanguard of electrification. The problem is enthusiasts don't want.

That is not me making it up, by the way. That is literally a quote from their PR team. Enthusiasts don't want electrification. Like, ultimately, we learn this about the new NSX, which we've all been waiting for for the market to realize it's such a great car, and it's been 10 years now, and the market still hasn't realized it because people don't want that. People don't want it.

Felipe, tell the market what, tell the world what enthusiasts want from their supercars. I don't, here's the issue that they run into. I don't think enthusiasts care about a Lexus sports car. And so why try? What do you mean the LFAs are selling for like a million five? What are you talking about? If they had made this a V10, if they had made this a V10, and the funny thing is Lexus is like, Lexus is like the only brand who can because their emissions and carbon situation is so beautifully green. They're like greener than Philippo when he's listening to NPR and composting.

I'm serious. They're like, it's like a situation. Lexus has surprisingly few EVs. They have two new EVs, the ES, and then the three row, which is called something. They have the BZ4XRZ. I don't know that they still do. I don't think they can read it. But most importantly, they have an enormous number of hybrid cars and they sell.

Their lineup is probably vast majority of sales. The RZ did get a refresh. I apologize. Thank you. Yeah, remember it got more range and it doesn't look as bad anymore. Yeah. There's also the whatever the three row,

the TZ, that's what's called. Well, that's not. No, it's not, but it's soon. Aren't we upset about this? You guys are not as outrage as me. Don't give a. Well, because I, well, he doesn't.

I don't care either now. I don't care either now. This was like this chance. The GRGT will exist. If you want a twin turbo VA, if you want a 9-11 GZ3, which is what they're building has. You have that.

I want an NAV-V-10. Like my career in GT, like the original LFA, like the Ford E350, that's what I want. I mean, that's great. Thank you for adding the Ford 3E350. That's what I was pushing you towards. I want a church van. It's a good way to get. You know, you want a V10.

Just go to your local U-Haul. You got one. Available to you at. Has anybody ever straight piped or like put a great exhaust on one of those on one of those big old V-10? I also love one of the first. like the Quigley 4-wheel drive conversion and some other mods. They're cool.

That is our final news story for the day. Thank God. Thank God. That was quite a slog to get through. A lot of bad things in there, honestly. We have to move on to the talk cars segment, which of course is brought to you by bad decisions from Lexus. Not to mention from every other manufacturer.

No, other manufacturers are doing great. Let's go through them all. Okay, Acura. Well, no, not so great. Audi. Oh, they're ditching the Q2. Aston Martin. It's going to be a tough list here. Aston Martin's doing wonderful things.

Although they need a G-wagon competitor. Okay, the talk car segment is brought to you by Aston Martin's G-Wacking competitor. Filippo, you wrote on our list dash cams. Yeah, all right. Kenan, I want your take. Dogg, you can chime in if you want. Okay. All right. A friend of Cars in Bed, Steve, recently got rear-ended, but he has it all on DashCamp. which has been really helpful in his like insurance argument.

He like sees a C63 coming up behind him and hitting his R8, very clearly. I don't have any dash cams in my vehicles. I used to. But then the one time I needed it to work, it didn't work, obviously. Because you bought the cheapest one you could. Because I bought the cheapest one I could. That's a filippo problem.

You undoubtedly bought some crappy. Yeah, 100%. I am debating adding dash cams at the very least to the 9-11, front and rear. Is it worth it? And is it worth, like, the effort of routing the cords and, like, pulling down the headliner and, like, people plug it into, like, the rearview mirror power to have it be always powered? Is it worth that work? Yes. Did you do it yourself?

Yes, Ryan Schultz and I did. I've had mine in my M5 almost since I got it. And to be honest, it has, I haven't needed it for anything, really. Like, I haven't been touched. I've never been in an accident of any kind. I will say it is also helpful if you see someone else in an accident. you can submit that to the police as well to help them. So it is useful for people around you.

There's also another benefit. There's also another benefit. If you have a dash cam, Nick Rochon will not ride in your car anymore because he's afraid of being caught on camera saying some of his usual stuff. Right? Crazy Nick. And so it's one more thing.

That's smart. He's so afraid of saying it on camera that he says it right here on the podcast with three cameras pointed directly at him. That just hits the cutting of the floor. What's the problem? Was that wrong? Was that racist?

Should I not have said that? Let me choose another politically incorrect point to make up for that one. That's even worse than the first thing is. Okay, I won't say that thing about women. Let's just talk about gays. That's Nick Roshan. That's that, buddy. But no, I think it is useful, especially the car of your price level now.

I think it is worth doing. I would invest in a good one. Yeah, it turns out mediocre ones or mediocre. Yeah, I bought a good one. You will never do this. You haven't even ungrade your wheels or untinted your windows. You don't have any in your car except for the Sequoia where it came from the factory. O'ee, baby.

But you don't have it in your other cars. I don't drive much. My problem is why split my driving around between nine cars, and I'm not putting it in nine cars, and so that's kind of the end of the situation right there. And I don't want to put it in my wife's car because I don't think it would be helpful. Some things you want to accept the liability of. It's better if there's no.

video evidence. Somebody should make a really good battery power one. It's like recharge the battery and then it doesn't need to be plugged into anything. Yeah, no,

Felipe, they do. You know what it's called? Your cell phone. You could, there are mounts, I guess. What do you get? Well, that's just

impractical, because like then you're recording the whole time. Those file sizes would be huge. Like, there are reasons that these cameras exist. Well, you delete it if nothing happened.

Yeah. So every time you get out of you go, oh good, don't think happened. That's just tedious. He's talking right now talking about recharging the batteries every time. What's the difference?

Well, here, I'll tell you. Just do it right. If you're going to do it, do it right. I don't want to pull down the headline. In the entire time I've known him. I don't want somebody to pull down the headliner. In the entire time I've known in Kenon, Felipe has never done something right.

He has always looked for a second rate. I'm not, I'm not, like, he's always looked for a second rate, like quicker, cheaper solution. Always, without exception. Always. Well, I love mine. To be honest with your. most of what I've done with is capture wild things I see on the road with it and send it to our friend group,

or I capture when I tore the front bumper off M5. But like, yeah, I think that it is useful to have. I'm sorry to Steve that that happened to him. But yeah, it can be useful in those situations. Philippo, if you had to drive a modern Buick, which one would it be? Not new, not a new Buick, but a modern. Regal Touret. Yep, that's the right answer.

Fair. Fair. Okay, move on to our next talk car segment. Kenan, before we go any further, I'm curious, how's business going there? You launched your business. I launched my business about a month ago now. Are we allowed to talk about this? Sean's going to yell at me later.

Kenan, tell us about your business. I don't care. So the way I can answer to this, really, is that I have been sent a ton of cars. So I've been working with clients. So one thing I didn't do is I didn't say I wanted to work in California specifically. And so people have sent me their cars from all over. Today, a Ferrari test. To me.

Like, not even pictures of their car. No, no, no, no. They're physical cars. The actual automobile. Whoa. So someone sent me a Testarosa that arrived this morning from Johnson City. Shout out of Dylan. Very excited to bring that.

Johnson City, Tennessee. Johnson City, Tennessee. Those people that know the U.S. knew already. Yeah, I mean, there aren't that many of it. It's not Johnson City, Illinois. Well, there might be more. There's a Johnson City in Texas. Well, yeah.

This one further. It came from further away. If you listen to country music, it's all with Tennessee. So that car came, I got, so what it means, so that car came on, I have an E46M3 with 28,000 miles, I can see over the shoulder. I have a, I have a, it's sold on cars in its previously. I have a Miata's coming with like 5,800 miles. You remember this car, the red one? Yes, of course.

Yeah. I love that car. You reviewed it was here. Yes, and that car is coming back again. Where did it go? It was from New Mexico. It went all the way to exotic tomecula. And that's where that's coming down.

To a Corvette, oddly enough. Kenan, you got any Buicks? I don't have any BuX. I do have a manual DB9 that's coming. So I've been driving a lot of really cool cars recently. And I also right now have a continental GTCV8 that's live, which I had a point I wanted to bring to you about this car. I drove around on this thing recently.

The W12 is awesome, but it is scary to own. But the way the V8 delivers power is impressive. It reminds me a lot of the W12. If the V8 didn't exist, if the V8 didn't exist, we would just be, the V8, if the W12 didn't exist, the V8 would be beloved in that car. But once you've been in the W12, you're like, this is God. But then you fact it back in what it's actually like to own. No, I, that's probably true.

And the V8, isn't the V8 the same V8 and various other Volkswagen products? The beauty of that car is it's the RS7 underneath, in essence. So I took pictures underneath it and it's like Audi everywhere. It's incredible. So from the reliability perspective, it's better. But like, as you can see with the car behind Filippo, I like to own the thing. You know what I'm saying? I hear you, but like, it is interesting.

Well, there wasn't a V8 Kuntas you could buy instead. Thank God. I drove a flying spur, W12, W12 flying spur to Laguna Beach with my wife, the final edition, final edition, final edition. I remember it. I never take the press cars on personal trips. I think I have a whole thing about it, but that one I did because I just love, and I knew I would never own one myself. Anyway, the point is, I agree with you, the V8 is great. It does build power well.

It feels good. It's got a lot of torque. But the W12 is God. It's, God. I don't disagree, but I was just, I was, like, really, I was impressed with that car. Now, admittedly, it's the GTC, so the scuttle shake, like, actually bothered me quite a bit. Really? It was really pronounced in that car.

If the road isn't perfectly smooth, there's no road in San Diego is, some of the worst roads around. It does vibrate quite a bit. However, like, cruising around, top down on a GTCV8, and, like, the engine sounds good, and, like, I really enjoyed the experience in that car. But so far, the highlight of the ones that have come is, like, the Testeros I'm so excited about. I'm taking it up for service tomorrow, and then it's going to get a little bit of reconditioning. Delete finish and then it'll come back down here And it'll be on the site soon. It also has 98,000 miles.

Applaus for the owner. It comes with service documentation. I've never seen anything like it. And it was owned by like the Testarosa man on Ferrari chat for 23 years. So it's like the one. But nonetheless like it is so I'm just like I just have to say like I am so positively overwhelmed and just humbled by the response. I had some email glitches.

So I'm catching up with some people on some things. And there have been some headaches and stuff. But like I'm just having the greatest time driving these really cool cars. and, like, finding them new homes. That's awesome. Having those cars, like, delivered to you, you get to see them, and experience them,

present them and, like, touch them, and that's so special. Yeah, I have seven to be clear that it arrives. It's like, we're busy over here. Any Hyundai scoops? You know, someone submitted one, I said, you know,

sounds like a great car to just send this to Philippo. Yeah, send it to me personally. Send it to Felipe personally. Or Sean at Chon at Carsandbids.com, you know. Any Fiat Fremonts? Not yet. I don't know what that is. It's the Dodge Journey.

And in Italy, I saw Fremont and I just felt so sad for that person. That's tough. It is not the Dodge Journey. Oh, really? It is the Fiat Fremont. God. Sorry, it's very similar to the car sold here as the dog journey.

Very similar. A couple of small differences, the badges. The badges. Are you going to go with a start telling me that the launch of Voyager is the Chrysler town and country? Pacifica. Yeah. A picture of the launch of Voyager, please. No, don't, don't, don't, don't.

Oh, no, we got, we have to. Pull up a picture of the launch of Voyager. I'd like to see what that car looks like. I just want to see it right now. Oh, that is so aggressively. Which is also so sad because the European minivans were great. Folks, this is the company that brought us the Delta Integrale. This is what they've become.

They're giving us high-quality vans. You've never seen that van marketed as anything else. That van certainly wasn't sold as a Volkswagen. Let me tell you. Well, I'll tell you what. You show this thing a rally stage, and you'll see what that launch you badge can do for you. Credit to them, it was their most consumer-friendly product. No other car in the launcher lineup, I think, had even folding seats, much less Stoan-go folding seats.

What motor did that have in a launch? In this case, it had 2.8-liter multi-jet diesel. The VM-Motory diesels. Oh, it's a four-cylinder turbo diesel. Wow. I think they're all the VM-Motory ones. 150 horsepower. Oh, that must be an absolute trash.

It's as everything else in Europe. 10 seconds zero to 60. It works. I guess I'm, I don't know. God. I think we fell far from the Delta Negri. Listen, I got an announcement. Sean, we'll perk up.

Put down your words with friends, Sean, and perk up. I'm making a lot of automotive moves. Yeah. And I think one of my big three will be affected. Whoa. Okay, let's move on to the next segment. Whoa. Give us one more line about it, one more sentence.

Um, I will be doing something. Or not, I don't know. Well, thank you for that. You're welcome. Appreciate it. I don't have any taught cars to add, and I don't want to. Sean gets mad at me when I reveal too much. Yeah. He wants it to be.

of videos so we can make more money. We're already making money on this podcast. Let's make more money. Sean comes to me and says, he says, we make already, we make money. But how can we make money on top of money? That's what Sean says when he calls me. To be fair, every morning, I call Sean 6 a.m. And just say, how are you going to make us more money today? And so it's only fair that he relays that. How are we making money today? More money. More money. The more is important. I remember when I worked at Porsche, there was a guy who had been appointed to a high up position on the operations floor and he was totally out of his element. And he had no idea what was going on. And he used to walk out from his office every day and go to the guy who did all the shipping

because the cars would be invoiced when they would get shipped from the port to the dealer. That's when we would make money as Porsche. And he would walk out to that guy and say, hey, how are we doing today? Every single day, sometimes multiple times a day. And of course, it was always about the same, you know, like every day. There was no like surprises. I remember... Cars are already sitting at port. And that's kind of how I imagine your conversations go with Sean. The only of the exotic car dealership I worked out,

we're walking there to do. Guys, what are we selling? What are we selling? What are we selling? Anyway, one of the big three may be affected. All right, let's move on to the market report, which, of course, is brought to you by Cars and Bids. Cars and Bids is the leader in automotive selling and buying.

Yep. All right, can I start by talking about an E-663? AMG wagon. Look at that 996 turbo. Click on that 996 turbo. Is that already sold by the time this airs? By the time this airs it will be sold, it's currently at $146,000.

You missed your chance. Yep. If you're watching this right now, you missed your chance for the best 996 turbo in history. A bright color and an X50 and a low miles. You missed your chance. This is big money. I wouldn't be shocked if it goes up a little bit

from where we're at. There's been bids kind of consistently over the course of the auction, including the last day or so with we're filming this. Kenan, you look at these pictures. You want a 996 turbo? No.

Really? I do want one, but we've had in our friend group, everybody's selling their turbos. This person is in our friend group, Edison. He's getting rid of it. You're going to get rid of yours. I'm only getting rid of mine because I've bought a better car the Mark 4 Super turbo. Yeah, better. Strong word.

Better is a really strong word. Does a lot that word. It's a lot of lifting. It just depends on how you use the car. And the way I use my car, the super is better. But the turbo, well, what do you mean? I take my kids and my dog, my super turbo, driving experience is fourth on my list of priorities for that car. And the super probably drives like the 993 turbo, but more importantly, it's more reliable, cheaper to own, and it looks 10 times cooler.

And I know that that might not be agreed by everybody. The super turbo is, in my opinion, in the opinion, I think of the general car enthusiast, a Mark 4 super turbo is cooler looking than a 9-9-9-3. three twin turbo. You're going to have that car. I noticed this sacrily on Renlist, but it's true in real. You're getting your accounts banned. I think once you experience, yeah, it's, I think you're going to be bored of that car in six months tops, but I don't understand. But I use it to take my kids and my dog around. Yeah, yeah, no, no. I think you think, I think that your problem is that you think that every car has to be like the best driving experience. But there are some, like my Sequoia, I'm obsessed with it. It does this enormous amount of

of things. And it's not the best driving experience, but it is the best at delivering other things that I need it for. Do you think if you're buying a fun sports car to transport your kids and the driving experience should be good, seeing as they won't be in the car all of the time. They will.

I only use the car when I'm taking it. We prize looking cool differently, but regards, I want to talk about that. I prize enjoying it myself as opposed to what I have three cars or maybe less than three or maybe more than three. I don't know. Who knows? That I already do that with.

This has a different purpose. Kenan, I'm going to educate you someday. Oh, someday. About automotive purposes. I have one car that does it all, some would say. But let's get to the E-63 because you want to talk about it. This is really cool. This is a six-speed manual swap.

The first one that I've seen come to market, obviously, your friend Nick Rochon, has a different six-speed manual swapped. $216. $21,000. Pretty face-lose. $61,000. Clearly the market really, really, really loved the idea of a manual-swapped wagon. and also probably some of the other mods here

that were generally quite high quality desirable. Kenon, you want one car that does it all. Here you go. This is one car that does it all, including have a shift knob from a, what is it? That's okay. Yeah, that's okay. That is tough that that's the only one available, but.

Yeah, but it is so cool. I was, obviously we knew it would do well, right? Like, it's a manual, all wagons do well in cars and bids, all sporty wagons do all in cars and bids. All manual wagons do well in cars and bids, and they've built, it's going to do well. But I am a little bit surprised by how much, this went for.

It exceeded certainly my expectations. Bodes well for a friend Nick in the future. But also, I wonder if we'll see more and more of these, right? It's doable. It's a proven concept. There are multiple shops that are swapping Mercedes

the M113. It'll be interesting to see whether this becomes more of a trend now that there's some proof. Curious about longevity. You know what I'd like to see? Personally. You know what I'd like to see is a 65 motor swapped into that car?

Yeah. I don't, does the, The No V12 was ever offered in the E class. No. No. And so I don't think, like, I'm not convinced it fit. You think a manual was offered in the E-63 way? No, no, but that doesn't change the sizing of the engine bay.

You could change the sizing of the engine bay. Haven't you seen? Dude, the Renault Clio V6, they took the engine out of the engine bay. All right? This weekend. That's the level of work product that you can do, okay? Nothing is impossible, Filippo. Yes, but the point of those cars that you have three rows and you can't put the

third row in the front. I'm in front of the driver if you move the engine to the back. It doesn't really work. That's a great idea. Here's, okay, now you're talking. Third row in the front and then make the engine, the hood cover, clear

like SoFi Stadium. Oh, I was imagining no hood cover so that people could sit. No, no. I am excited by, I'm thrilled by the result, and it's going to be interesting to see what else keeps happening. We've sold over our history cars and bits. A bunch of really cool wagon built.

A B7R is 4 of On Build. an E-61 M5 build. I actually think we have an E-161-5 build live right now. At F-31... M-3 built wherever the... We also sold an F-31 with a Maserati engine swap. There's certainly interest in these. That did so well.

Does F-31, which was an M-3 build, a mano swap? Clearly, there's a lot of demand for cool performance wagons. It'll be addressing to see whether we kind of keep seeing that more and more and more. A lot of wagons live. A lot of wagons live. What do you want to say about the... this LC 500. Yeah, we just sold an LC 500 for with 5,000 miles for about 17 grand over MSRP.

Wait, I'm looking at, I'm looking at the, this Grand Cherokee sold for eight grand. Pull up this grand Cherokee. I didn't buy this. For eight grand grand, this is, this is the worst moment of my life. Philippo, Felipe, save me, please. Oh, one owner. Felipe, this was the nicest grand Cherokee in history. What are you doing? I thought about it. I thought it would sell for more. I want this car. In Woodland Hills. In Arizona title, it's probably been in a whole

This is beautiful. Wow. Look at the interior. It's like horrible in the best way. Oh. Oh, it's so well for. Philippo.

Philippo. Like toes. Don't they, big toes. You know what the... You also missed out. You also missed out buying a LCF00 in you. You know what the problem with this car is? My childhood and Philippe's childhood very different in terms of cars.

No, I wrote in the back, the back cargo area of that around the Cape as a kid. I have fond memories of doing so. What do you mean? Weren't you in Italy? You got all these cross stories about how you were in Italy and you were in America. You got to pick a lane. Were you in Italy or were you in America?

Both. Incredibly, these did not disappear on a certain year. They were still around. Oh, yeah. No, they did. They absolutely did. I was here when they disappeared. That L.C. 500.

Can you go back to it? Yeah, of course. Oh, we're already leaving the Jeep. We are. A good 4-liter Jeep. There is nothing like a good 4-Lead Jeep. This car, which was a middle in a great color, good build, 5,000 miles, had a one-year-old. had a 110 sticker.

So it's actually 20 grand more than sticker, which surely LC500s were going for under sticker at some point or another. They weren't that desirable brand new. Are they not for sale anymore? No. What? 2026 is the last year. 2025, excuse me, the last year.

Really? I thought there was some in production for a little longer. You know, the LC500 thing feels like the Heritage Land Cruiser. Like I'm sitting here today knowing that this is a car that's going to increase in value. And I remember I felt that way. with the Heritage Land Cruiser. I know this car will increase in value. I don't really have a place for it in my life.

I don't really want to park money in it. But I'm sitting here like literally in my mind, I can tell that this will be a desired enthusiast car for many years to come. Yeah, I really want one. Maybe I should buy one. It is surprising to see it still. It is still for sale.

I'm sorry, I was wrong. 26 is the last year. Thank you. Okay. Still for sale. Pretty limited numbers is my understanding. One of the great interiors. It's rare that a car currently for sale,

or even just recently out of sale sells for over MSRP when you can be pretty confident that Lexus dealers are not charging ADM on a product that's been out for seven years. Okay, here's a question. NAV8, that interior, those look.

Yeah, it's really cool. Here's a question. Would you rather have that LC-500 or that Grand Cherokee and a flatbed tow truck? Let me do the math quickly. carry the one on the to-truck saying cheap dude i'm talking hydraulics the whole thing i'll see although a toad truck could could help you especially closed oh i could be helpful on occasion what happened with shons g i didn't

follow it where did that go sold for 45 uh shans j yes producer shans g has gone on to a new home 45 he sold this in somebody what did he what was he in this for we allowed to disclose this kind of stuff Did he make money? Did he lose money? My understanding is that he is, the amount all in and the sale prices are very close to each other. So he did, like, okay on this car? Well, I mean, the G market has fallen a little bit compared to when he first bought it. I think that this color did residents, people.

Do we factor in his absolutely ridiculous trip to Oregon in order to purchase it where he... I don't know. Sean's a mental accounting is suspect at best, so probably not. Oh, he points to fly. So we're good. We're not have to count for those. I was surprised you could get a flight that fast with points to be honest. He has a lot of points.

My understanding, by the way, is that it's going to get some work done before going to the new owners, which is exciting. Is it going to be 4x squared converted, Sean? It's going to nothing but G's to get some rust taking care of. Okay. Up in Colorado. That's great. I think that's lovely, Sean. I think it'll be, it's great that you've moved on from this car.

you never were able to really sink your teeth into it. And for those people who don't know, Sean has moved on to a 2000 Buick century with the 3,100. He couldn't even splurge for the 3,800? The 3,800 was not offered in that century. It was only offered in the Regal. He couldn't splurge? Surely the price difference is $10.

He, he, we're 25 years out. I'm just going to tell you something. This is a true fact, and it is a fact. there is no one currently driving one of those 3,100 centuries who bought it. They were all handed down by a grandparent or a cousin or their dad's dealership had one. You know, like the dad's a salesman and one came in on tray. Like no one went searching for one in Baltimore. Have we ever sold one?

Pull up Buick Century. I think we have. I think we have. My wife growing up had a Buick Park Avenue that was indeed gifted by a grandparent. and then she subsequently gifted it to a friend who's then subsequently gifted it to a different friend. That's what happens with these cars. That's what happens with these cars.

This is exactly the century I'm talking about. Nice 3100. Yep. Yep. Yep. Felipe, you look at this. So Park Ave over the saber, you know. Felipe, when you look at this,

do you have a little bit of nostalgia from this period when you were both simultaneously in the United States and Italy? I moved to the U.S. in 2002. Okay. But this car was sold through like 06. I have nostalgia for this. Yeah. Let me ask you a question.

You came to the U.S. in 2002 as like a 12-year-old. Were you, or 10-year-old or 7-year-old, when you came to the U.S. and saw that this country had these cars, were you like, oh, my God, we've made a terrible mistake? No, as a kid, and still in Italy, where we knew people in the U.S., I had photos of like an XJ Cherokee that one of them owned because it was like the coolest, biggest car I could have fathom. The coolest, biggest car.

I thought, and then he showed up and there were hummers. Time to move on to the questions. The questions are interesting this week. Usually I prepare the questions so everybody can prepare ahead of time. However, I've been derelict. I actually wanted to take this podcast off, and I pitched that to Sean, and he told me I couldn't. So we're going to wing it today. Let's wing it.

Sean, or Kenan, you got questions? What's that? We can just solicit questions from the firm. No, I'm going to do them, but I'm not going to tell you what's what. So go back to the, no, no, don't look at it. the questions. Go back to the main page. This is going to be a new experience for all of us. All right, there's the main page. We got that 996 turbo. It looks pretty cool. So from Cavalieri, this is the first question. Hi, team, could you explain how cash for clunkers change the automotive

landscape and market? This is a hot topic among Midwestern, like, low budget. It really is. Yeah, it is, yep. Because they think that it, like, destroyed everything and there are no more cheap used cars. And there is some truth to. that. Four hundred thousand Ford Explorers were destroyed, which obviously it hurt those of us who wanted to do a Jurassic Park bill. Yeah. But I think that the damage of cash for clunkers is done. I mean, those cars were all like early 90s cars. At this point, probably most of them would not be on the road anymore anyway. But it did take off, admittedly, it did take off the road a lot of reliable easy to work on simple, mechanically simple, used cars. And that was the goal of the program.

The program was, it came out during the recession, and I worked at a dealership when this program came out. And I'll tell you, there's a lot of differing opinions about this. But if you worked at a dealer when this program came out, this was a lifeline. There were no cars selling. And this program created an opportunity for automakers and dealerships and factory workers to, get a little bit of a new pipeline of cars selling because basically the program was you traded in your old inefficient car and they gave you way more than it was worth in order to buy a new efficient car. And a lot of, you know, know-it-all enthusiasts are like, this ruined the car industry, but actually at the time it was quite beneficial. But it definitely did ruin the ability to have

some of these cheap kind of older cars that could have been worked on. And so I do think it had some effect on the enthusiast market. Now, people look at the list of cars traded in on the cash for clunkers, and they say, well, people trade out in land cruisers. This was terrible. I mean, like a few. We're not talking about massive numbers of any of that stuff. But there was definitely an effect on, you know, those cars. But again, I mean, a lot of the cars traded in were late 80s, early 90s stuff that at this point are coming up on 35, 40 years old. You know, a lot of these cars would probably no longer really be on the market today anyway or on the road today anyway

and they're quite inefficient and it did we wouldn't have any 2009 2010 cars for sale today if it were for the program it's a mixed bag obviously right but like the intent was not a bad one there are a lot of no car enthusiasts who say that it was horrible and there were no

benefits there were benefits there were also drawbacks and that's the truth of any program like this and they knew that at the time they knew at the time they were taking off the road now also it should be pointed out a lot of the cars traded into cash for clunkers. People see the raw numbers and don't understand. A lot of the cars traded in cash for clunkers were literal clunkers. So the rule, I think, was that the car had to be running when you brought it to the dealership. And if it was

running, then you got your money. And you should have, again, I worked at dealers. We're to a Saturn dealership. A lot of our cars qualified for the rebate. You should have seen what people were bringing in as running. I mean, these are cars that were literally on their last legs puffing out, Cylinderhead's ride. The last mile it did was to the dealership. It wasn't just like really pristine examples like a lot of enthusiasts try to claim it was. I was and trust me, I know, I was literally there. I remember at the end of Cash for Clunkers when they came to round up the cars, all of us at the dealership did a destruction derby with the crappy Cash for Clunkers cars in the dealer's back lot because

some of them were so utterly terrible. They had to have been registered and insured for the year prior. They must be drivable. They had to have under a certain fuel economy. There was a requirement, I think it was 18 months per gallon or worse. There are cars that likely would not be running now, period. Now, obviously, some of them... Most of them.

Some of them would have been, it did remove a lot of cars that then were the cheap, could have been the cheap cars at that point, but it also introduced a whole lot of new supply that would have been really hard. and to some extent may have saved dealerships and the automotive industry in the U.S. But the U.S. is not the only place this has happened. Also, no one talks about this because car enthusiasts claim not to care about this, but it did actually serve a significant effect also at bringing more efficient cars on the road.

Ultimately, millions of cars were traded in on millions of V8, you know, inefficient cars. Now, enthusiasts may not care about this, but you got to remember this was an Obama administration program, and that was one of their goals, in addition to various other goals, like stimulating the economy, and that was one of their goals, and I think that they would argue that they achieved that goal as well, whether or not the enthusiasts are supportive of it. I think it's important to maintain perspective on all issues and sort of look at nuance and all the different sides of things,

unless, of course, we're talking about the electric LFA, which is just bad. Or the luce. We didn't have to talk about the luce yet on this podcast this week. I didn't get to talk about the manual. I have an opinion on this. Oh, yes, please. For clarity, we talked last week about the Diorgioz manual that's manual. What's your opinion?

It better be the same as our opinions. My opinion is I have absolutely no problem with it whatsoever. I think that it is, which I think is reasonable, which I still haven't listened to the last week's podcast. I'm a little busy. But yeah, I think, I hope that they take that tech. The reason they did it that way with it being a dual clutching kind of shift by wires that they then apply that to other models, a manual 296 would be, oh, imagine.

Yeah, I know there's more to it. But that's why they did it, I suspect, and didn't develop a manual transmission that could. Plus, also, like, everybody, the overriding opinion I heard everybody says, why did they just take the 599 transmission? It's like, the 599 made 612 horsepower. This thing makes almost 1,000.

It's a big jump. It's like, it's, it wouldn't work. Totally agree with everything you said. That was our opinion last week on the podcast. We said that. I said that. Philippa said that. Nick said that, and then he made two racist jokes.

So that was kind of how it was. Good. So thank you for doing without the racist. Yeah, I omit the racism. Yeah. But I, you know, I am very into this. I'll never get to drive on, and I'm sure they'll talk to me. I'm sure that will happen. But as long as it feels good, there's the, I say I underscore all these opinions as long as it does feel like Emmanuel.

If it feels synthetic or anything like that, then... Yep. Okay. Next question from Brat Machine Sam, rank all Lexus GX generations. Folks, there's only one Lexus GX generation. There are three Lexus GX generations. Not in my mind. There's only one, and it's the original. Pull up a nice 2009 GX470.

Pull it up! That one's modified. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of... Could just a wait one? This one, sorry. Sure. Yeah, modified white. I never liked this generation GX.

Really? I've never liked any generation GX, to be fair. From the perspective, first off, they all had manuals, and that was the coolest part. They were all manual transmission. Yeah, yeah. You know, obviously. Go to an interior photo.

Look at that manual. It does look like a manual. It's like a little bit up into the left. It looks like you're in first year with parts. Keep going. Keep going through those. Show the transmission selector a little closer for people who can't see. Every GX from this era looks like it has a manual transmission.

If you are walking by, it was like it's parked in first. Yep. Why did they do that? It's bizarre. It's absolutely bizarre. But if you... I'm into it. If you look at it, look at that.

Tell me that doesn't look. It's just like a minute. Totally. First off, so, so they were all manuals, that was beneficial. But also the two UZ. Ultimately, Felipe, I don't care what you say because this was the most reliable power train ever put in any automobile in the history of Toyota.

And it is, therefore, it is the GX. The other ones are simply AGX. I've never loved any GX. Sorry, so that's fine. That's insane. I mean, I don't, what is love to you? Like, I think, these are ugly and they're obviously inefficient and they don't have good tech.

But they're in, but they're robust to you. But they're robust. Well, this is an incredibly good used car. They're robust. They're incredibly capable. They are unbelievably reliable.

They're relatively luxurious. They're practical. Like, what are you trying to get out of your car that you don't love about this car? Well, I'd like it to have not the issue that you laid out at the beginning there. You don't want it to be ugly? Felipe,

I got a deal for you. You go pick up a fourth-gen four-run. same power train, and you got an attractive car. I agree with that. That's the issue. The Fortune 4-400 is an attractive GX. The early ones were better looking, and then it kind of got worse. And then the new one, I'm not a big, I'm not actually that.

It's very controversial to say, but I don't really love the new GF. Yeah, Sam. I also don't love the new Langecruiser accordingly. Next question from Ian Greer. Dear Doug, love the pod. Doug and Group love the pod. I hear you guys reference the mid-2000s as the peak of modern cars. Yes.

Next question. No, and I agree. I'm curious why I don't hear any love for the 04, 05, 06 GTO and the G8, GT, and GXP. Absolutely. We don't bring them up enough, I think, because Pontiac died right after that and we're thinking about modern brands when we're talking about this stuff. But those were part of it. Those cars were absolutely part of it. In this era in 2004, the mid-2000s, when all the cars were cool, Pontiac revived the GTO. And then the next year, they gave it an even bigger engine with even more power, and it's incredible. I mean, the GTO actually, actually came back. And the G8 was incredibly cool. There was V8 power. It was a serious car. It absolutely deserves that. Look great.

Thank goodness Australia for giving us both the cars. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not going to a car. Thank you, Australia, for giving us those cars and the Mercury Capri. Yeah. Equally notable.

From 2008 E60 EKB. Dear Doug and friends, if you lived in Europe, up, what would you want to be your daily? Let's say we're in Milan for just for the sake of argument, because that makes sense for all of us. For various reasons. It does. Let's say we're in Milan.

I would love that. Kenan, what are you daily? That's so hard. Does it have to be a brand new car, or does it have to be anything? No. What do you want a daily? A Hupmobile? You're there.

I already do that. Let me see. Let's say, what would I want? It would certainly be a station, like a small to mid-sized station wagon, Pissure of 308. I think it's a good looking car. The DS station wagons also look good. Fiat at the moment, let's be honest,

doesn't have any super compelling products, but I would also have a Fiat 4x4 of any generation, except for the newest one. Sorry, Panda 4x4, not the newest one, but everyone prior. Yeah. And I think my sporty car would be a Fiat Panda 100. Wow, you've got the, this all figured out.

Yep. And honestly, none of them are that appealing. Yep. It all fits perfectly. I am who I am. I'm just being true to it. Really?

Kenan, give us the truth here. I'm really trying to think. I personally, in that city, I would love the Microlino. Isn't that the new electric, like, BMW IZeta-looking thing? Yeah, yeah.

You would drive that daily. You'd drive around on a new IZetta-looking micro- In Milan, I'm going like eight feet to get places. No, Milan is a big city. No, no, no, no, no. This isn't like you're in, you're in, Filippo's better. That's a perfect thing.

You're in Milan. That way, I can use to cut around. But you also got to go to the outskirts. You're, you're in Monza. If I'm a Monza. I don't, I don't, well, I mean, M3 touring would be the one I would. I don't do automatic, though.

You're not daling that. You're not daling that in Europe for, I want a real answer. You're in Europe today. You've got to go buy a car. What do you buy? Station wagon hybrid manual. I believe it exists.

I understand you have. I've answered the question properly. Kennett, you have your current budget and you're... I'm trying to advocate here for a friend. I guess that would be expensive. What do you got? What are you getting? You're in Europe.

I don't know. I'm just trying to think of things that I would want that we didn't get. And most of them are like French cars. What about Apollo GTI? Or a polo, whatever the sport do you want is called? Up exclamation mark would be fun too. It's small. You're not a small car guy.

No, but I feel like Europe. I went to Europe. I had a big SUV, which was fast and powerful and very fun. and boy, was it perfect for the Autobahn? You were wrong about that. But I realized that Italian cities and other cities, yeah, a smaller car is definitely better. Actually, the new French electric...

What's the Renault of the electric? The Renault four or five both exist. Yeah, I love that thing. I think that thing is so cool. The Renault five is cool. And I'm going to imagine, there's been a lot of restrictive on emissions and stuff to drive in town.

So then you would need something like that. Okay, but I think that is the coolest thing out there right now. Yeah, yeah, the Renault five is incredibly cool. Agreed. That's part of it. A T-Rock convertible E-39M-5 Yeah, I can't really

I already do it You can't there It's gonna get smashed to bits there You also can't pay for gas No It's actually only like nine, ten year $10 a liter Sorry a gallon

It's actually not that much more than it is here But it's still fixed for a lot of my car That gets 11 miles to the gallon Is that we get? Philippo with three children What would I get? Like an XC90 Isn't that what people have in Europe?

There are a lot of There's a lot of like MPVs type things. They're just practical family vehicles. There really aren't that many. There's like the Mercedes vans. What else? Oh, you want luxury? Oh, well, that's...

No, no. What other viny vans? Minivans are dead in Europe. They don't exist anymore. Many vans are dead, but like MPVs that have the three rows of seats are still around. You think I'd have like a citron, whatever the new big citron is? You should have the Hyundai, whatever the wild-looking thing is. I'm not going to get a Hyundai just because I live in Milan.

The starry. Yeah, but... I'm in Milan now. I want to fit in. You know what I would get? Launcha Voyager. 150 horsepower four-cylinder, baby. You want to fit in and then launch a Voyager?

Good look. Look at this. It's like a futuristic-looking minivan. Right. It looks like death-pung-sland. You think I don't know. Is that even for sale in Europe? Yeah.

I saw in Asia. I saw I'm in Australia. No, it's good. It's going to Europe. Okay. Okay. Final question. Final question from El Farah O-3.

Dear Doug, Philippa, I want you to weigh on this, but it's you're done. You mentioned a previous episode you may move towards having an off-road vehicle such as a Jeep in the future and you wanted to know what contributed to your decision to want a Jeep over a Bronco. Is there a large difference in reliability or does reliability influence your decision at all? I'm going to get a Jeep. I have to sell my convertible G-wagon

and I'm going to get a Jeep to replace it. And I'm going to get a Wrangler, 392. Felipe, tell the people why I'm getting the Jeep over the fort. The V8 offered? Boom, there it is. Folks, this was a great podcast. I really appreciate it. Thank you.

That's a good reason of that. You know, there's actually two reasons. There's a V8 offered and the Bronco Raptor, although it is a cool car, is the most socially unhinged. You see these things driving around? Like, I think it's cool as hell, but I would never in a gazelle. billion years drive such a vehicle. And especially when you factor in the Jeep, the Bronco Rappter looks like that and doesn't have a V8, the Jeep Wrangler 392, I dare Kenan to tell apart a Rangler 392 from a

regular Wrangler. I can't. And it does have a V8. Well, A, the sound is instantly recognized. And also that exhaust tip thing they do with the low. I know what I'm looking for, the 392. Don't mess with me. But what are you going to look at every Jeep?

Like, it's like one person. I notice them. I do notice them. someone when I see them. It's not often, but I do notice it. There's a new trim, which is where I'm going to get, it's like a super base level trim and the only way you can tell, the exhaust and then also there's a $3.92

badge on the top of the hood because there's a little hood bulge and it's a $3.902 on the top of it. Other than that, the newest ones are like untellable. And that is the primary reason that I looked at the Bronco Raptors and I'm sitting in this thing and I'm like, this is so over the top absurd. I cannot participate

in this situation. No, having that parked in a charming New England fishing And ultimately, the Jeep has more power and a V8. Like, that's the problem solver right there. Am I wrong? Do people think I'm wrong? If you think I'm wrong, write to us at Sean at Cars and Bids.com. That's S-E-A-N at Cars and Bids.

Dot com. And put in the subject line, bad-colored G-Wagg. He has too many emails that say that all right. Felipe, you have any final thoughts for the podcast? Yeah. The Buick-Riviera has been on my mind. Oh, yeah? The final 90s, Buk-River, yeah.

We were talking about Buech, 3,800s. Pull it up. Pull it up. You got to, like, specify in 1995, 1984. Have you ever been in one? No, I've never been in one. Horrible. There it is.

There's one in your name, to include these. The fuel economy was not bad enough. Yeah, I know, but they should have made an exception. They should have made a carve-out. Cars must have this level of fuel economy or be a Buick-Riviera. It's very, very,

concept car. That is the concept. Well, I know that one is. I'm just saying in general. It looks like, it does look like. Yeah. I mean, that, that's hard to believe that a committee went, yes, that's what we're. This was at a different time. This was at a time when like a big, this was at a time when like a big two-door car was still like a thing. And everyone had them, honestly. Oh my God, what happened here? Everyone had them. Ford had multiple. They had the Thunderbird and the Mercury Cougar, which were both like these big Lincoln had one called the Mark 8.

It was not uncommon to have like big luxury coups and convertibles. There was the old cutlass at the time, and there were a bunch of different ones. To be fair. And it was supercharged, had 240 horsepower, 280 pound feet of torque. Well, they were offered as supercharged. Almost none of them are supercharged. And either way, it was stunted by a trash four-speed automatic transmission. Do you know that they made $90,000 just about?

They sold $41,000 the first year. I'm telling you, at that. time remember they made a camry coop they made a Honda cork coop like cars in that era like a two-door car four-seater two-door was like pretty common like there was a Chevy cavalier like everything was like there was a four-door and a two-door version it was not that weird true and look good and it all went away kenn it all went away that it did well it's a shame that's a shame anyway speaking of going away goodbye goodbye everyone goodbye goodbye goodbye goodbye