THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - The Enthusiast Car Market is Cooling? Are Manual Swaps a Good Idea? Porsche Ditches Gasoline! and MORE!

Episode Date: July 12, 2024

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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan and I'm Felipe. No, this is Sam. Sam is taking over for Felipe who is out of town. Sam is here and his sole qualification is that he is our personal friend. And I will pretend to be Felipeo today. I've been to Italy. Felipe's Italian.

I can pronounce Mozarel. I got this. Okay, great. You're going to fill in for Felipe. You can say the kind of things that. Felipe would say. So we'll do my best. I didn't wear my giraffe shirt though, but

the people will have to be okay. You can do the same thing. All right, let's start with the news. Kenan lead us off with the first news story is the Porsche 718. Yes, so they have announced that internal combustion is going away. That was the big deal.

This has been something they've been talking about for quite some time, and we've kind of known it was coming, but it also seemed kind of nebulous. Because a lot of the times, you know, like Ferrari, for instance, with the V12, it's like, oh, this is the last one, and the next one's naturally aspirated, and Porsche kept seem to push it down the road.

They've also put a lot of money into sustainable fuels. It's something they're really passionate about, but they have made it clear that it is going away. So we're not getting the combustion engine 17 is going away, and purportedly the next generation will be electric. So this is Portia now is doing this with two of their models because they did the same thing with the McCahn. It's a pretty big leap because most other automakers have not done this.

They've, like, created an electric version of a car, but this is like a beloved combust, the first maybe beloved combustion engine car that is like truly going away. It's surprising giving what's happening in like the EV market that they're still doing this because they mentioned this a long time ago

and EVs were hot and everyone was investing in them and all that. And then like things have kind of died down on that front. Sure. They're sticking with it. But you forget, this is the most stubborn company in the world.

The 9-11 engine was behind the car and they're like, we would make it work anyway and they still make the car. So this is a very stark But also, I mean, they couldn't just reverse course that quickly. You know, they had already kind of made the decision they made and that was that. I guess so.

I wonder if they're implementing like interesting things like the ionic 5N, how they have all that. Well, that should be the future. That should be the way all electric cars go with that shifting, which I still don't really understand from an engineering perspective how that works, but it's magic. And that's how it should be. Yeah, true. It has to be.

And so, I don't know. We'll see. I guess it's sad. You know, I mean, it's a big leap. It's a huge deal, but I don't know. I mean, the four-cylinder. Right. Are you going to miss that clattering thing?

Yeah, but we are going to miss the other versions of it. There was a GTS 4.0. It had a manual transit. It was one of the last manual cars that was still on sale. Like, this is not a nothing thing. Getting rid of a true sports car and going electric with it is a pretty big change. And it really is like the very first of these. Now, especially now that we know that Charger and Challenger are going to have some gas version,

engine, something. This is kind of the beginning of a different phase of our lives. It will be interesting to watch what like Gt4 RS and Spider RS values now do is they are definitively the end of the line and like a hot water water water water. What do they do with the next gen of those cars? Are they just going to be like more powerful electric motors? Like is that something? Does anybody care about that?

I mean, the Model S Plaid has 10 million horsepower and they sell used for 46. So does anybody is that something that people are going to be into? It's an interesting point because 9-11 and Boxter came and hold their value better than any car on the market, I think. Yeah. And so what happens when you throw EV at that? Like, does it maintain? I don't know. It'll be very interesting.

This will be a really big change in the world. It's, I think this is the biggest EV, like, move aside from the original crop of EVs that came. Like, every other EV has been additive to a lineup. The Mach-E was, like, a different, you know, it's not like they got rid of the Mustang. This is like a big, big, big change. If any company can execute on it properly, though, it's Porsche. So it'll be cool to see. Maybe, but the Tycon is not, the Tycon has not been popular,

and it is not holding value. And so it'll be interesting to see how it goes. Yeah. We'll see how it plays out. Moving on to the next story. Yeah, what's our next one? Oh, there's a hybrid Mazda CX50. Moving on.

Sam? Philippo's not here to discuss that, and I have nothing to say about. 40 miles per gallon. Philippo would be all over this. much of shame that he's not here. Okay, next news story. Right, he's yelling at his screen right now that he wants to talk more about it. Oh, I'm on the next one. Too bad.

Okay, this is actually a legitimately interesting news story. Ford has come out with a fully electric car only sold to be sold in Europe called the Capri. They have revived their Capri name, which is used in the U.S. and globally. But this is only going to be sold in Europe for an electric crossover. Something I didn't realize while I was researching the Capri store is that they already sell an electric SUV in Europe called the Explorer. And both of these are based on Volkswagen. So it's like the Volkswagen ID7 is also sold as the Ford Explorer in Europe.

Did they not do a Mocky in Europe? What's that? They don't do a Mock E in Europe? You know, I didn't see anyone that was there, but I also didn't see any explorers. So that's the current situation. Now, there's a lot of people up in arms about how Ford could do this to the Capri name. But of course, as you might imagine, I don't care. well, all five Capri enthusiasts

are very upset about that. Right. They also took the Mustang name and put it on and, you know, I mean, right, this is a bigger deal than that. Right, exactly. This is a bigger deal than that because there is no Capri. So the Capri is this now. The Mustang, like, there's still the Mustang, right? And now there's the Machia also. This is just the only Capri.

Canon, I mean, Kenan, imagine if they took the M5, your beloved M5 and they made it an electric crossover with some sort of sloping, heinous roof situation. Well, I mean, that would be bad. But it also had It had to have gone away and then come back as the M5 something different. It's not an apples-apples comparison.

Sam, remember when Mitsubishi took your beloved eclipse and turned that into a cross of her? I will never forget. One of the hardest days of my life and the corolla, right? There is a corolla SUV, yes, but there's still a corolla sedan. So don't you worry. Thank God. Thank God. I saw a Maki parking meter made on the way here, and I was thinking about a Mustang.

Imagine that nameplate being used as municipal vehicles now. I will never forget when I was in Copenhagen, a Ford Mach E taxi took me to the airport. And I was thinking, if you had told me 10 years ago that when I was in Denmark, I would be driven to the airport in an electric Ford Mustang. It's no sense. And yet that's exactly what happened.

Okay, Kenan, give us our next. I don't have anything else to say about the Capri. Give us our next new story. Yes. So more in my vein. So we have to talk about the Ferrari F-355. So Ian Callum has decided that he can fix it. So 355.

Mechanically. So he is coming out with this unique Ferrari 355 thing. Now he's done this with the Vanquish as well, one of his designs, which is interesting because he didn't design this car. But he's done this before where he's taken like the faults that happened to exist with that car, gone back and refreshed it and worked on. Now, what's interesting about this is really went to, yeah. So really went to town with this.

So full carbon bodywork, which reduces weight substantially. But they also went to work on the engine. So they played around with the heads, and they ported them to get more power to the engine. It raises power from 380 to 220 brake horsepower, which is a lot in a very small car. Then they also played with some reliability things. But with all the stuff they played with, engine still comes out of the car. They didn't do like a timing chain system for it. It's still belts.

You still take the motor out of the car, which is good. Yeah. The real problem is it's heinous. And the thing that you should not mess is a lot you can play with with the 355 to make it more reliable but there's one thing that you shouldn't mess with especially as a design and that's the design and they have played with it.

Especially the wheels. Yeah, some of the best wheels ever fitted any Ferrari in my mind. We only have one picture of it here but like if you look at it from the back they put on they put on these like rocker panel things and there are these strikes in the rear fender and it just doesn't really make an enormous amount of sense. No.

Is this like 288 GTO kind of stuff going on there? Slats on the rear quarter panel, they're supposed to be like 288 GTO. I don't know. There's a modified 355 that comes to our cars and coffee, and this is what it looks like. They tried to modernize it. So they made like added LEDs and things like that. But like the design was not the car's problem. There were many, many other things that were.

It was the only problem. The most important part. Right. And that, and modernizing a car, it doesn't make sense. It's a 30-year-old car. Like, the charm of it is that it's not modern. Like, that's kind of the beauty of it. And in fact, in fact, that's what Singer does.

They take 90s Porsches and try to make them look like 60s Porsches. These guys have took a 90s Ferrari and pride to make it look like a new version of that same Ferrari. Honestly, it looks like a tuner car and it still has probably the same reliability issues with an extra 40 horsepower. It's probably not better. So, meaning of say. Trying to figure out what they did with the door handle here too. Because famously, the car has the door handle underneath in the air. and take your reach in. And this looks like they played with something.

That's the 348 door handle, isn't it? That's kind of what it looks. It doesn't look as buttony as the 348's door handle. But regardless, they didn't get rid of the lock. That still stays very prominently of the door. I could have fixed that, put it somewhere else. Nope. Even for, Callum was like, no, it looks good. We're going to leave that there. Which is funny because it actually looked better. The 355 door handle is a pretty cool idea. It's in the side strikes. You can't see it. Yeah, it is. Of course, if you have a spider, like some of us, former owners, you just reach in and pop it, you know, just reaching the door and just like get to the,

top of it. Much easier, you have to like lean down. But it, yeah, regardless, it's, it's cool to see companies revisit cars, but when they mess with the design, you ruin what was so good about it to begin with. And I think half of the appeal of the 355 is the way it looks. The other half, honestly, is the way it sounds. Right. Everything else, like, doesn't really matter that much. Not everybody screws this up. I mean, the singer cars, although I'm not a big fan of them, they do look really cool. And they, they, they, there's a beauty in the way that they make the car appear. This, it really just looks like an aftermarket tuner that, like, you and I would kind of

laugh at if we saw it on the street. Even the vanquish that he did, though, I feel like that was more subtle, right? It was, but I still think the, I still think he messed with the design and really shouldn't have. It was so good to begin with it. Again, a lot of things you can fix with the vanquish that are not design related to make it better. And even its designer had to play around with it.

So, I don't know. Is this something they're going to sell, like someone's going to sell? Or is this like a one of one or what's the deal here? My understanding is they're going to sell them, but I mean, how many you think they're going to sell? I don't really think the market is super hot. They're going to cut up coops to do this. Coups are expensive. I know.

It's a shame. Yeah, it is a shame. So I don't know. If you want one, the voluto, evoluto, whatever the heck it's called, it's just, please don't. Just do the service on yours and like, don't enable this. It's definitely not a positive change. All right. Next news story is Fisker Ocean.

So we've seen to bring, we've, we've, we've, we've, Kind of like the fisker pockets. We bring it up almost every time, but they have issued a recall for all oceans they have made. Evidently there's something related to a water pump, which I believe is for cooling for the batteries. And they've recalled all of them. Now, that's pretty amazing considering how do they have the money to do. Who's doing this work? The company kind of doesn't exist.

Where is the service being done? Like, a lot of questions around it. So also, you bought one of these. You lost a lot of money on it. The company's gone under, and now you have a recall for something that's going to fail. That's tough. What an absolute disaster. It goes from just...

You got a $14,000 car that needs a recall that no one will do. Right. What do you do? Like, if you have an ocean, I just don't know what you do at this point. Well, you just kind of hope for the best, don't you? We have one live on the site right now. Did you know that? I saw that with good wheels.

We have one live on the site right now in North Hampton, New Hampshire, but it's the extreme. Wheels aren't. And it's got something like 6 million horsepower unless the water pump fails. Right. In which case it will have no powers. It sits dead on the side of the road. What does happen with these cars? Like this company is going. I don't know. No bringing it back. Although he's come back four times. So maybe they can. Just keeps getting back up.

I mean, people ask the same questions about the carmas. And then they kind of stuck around. So we'll say, I guess. There's like, there'll be people who pop up and supply parts, just like there is for all these other orphan brands. You can get day-woo parts. Any day the week. You can get day-woo parts. You can get. at Fisker parts. Maybe, maybe not. I mean, who knows? Someone might try to resurrect this company, buy them out of bankruptcy.

They might have something of value, but my guess is that they don't. People have to stop enabling this guy, so everyone just keeps bailing them out. The great story of this was, I sent you that length where he, once the company got this huge valuation, he bought a home in Malibu or something, barred against the valuation, his assets in the company and bought a home in Malibu. Now the company has no valuation when he's desperately trying to unload the home. It's a great, it's a success story of American proportions. Right.

It's the circle of life. Right. And with his wife, when you have a sketchy company. That is exactly it. So scary. Barrow against phantom equity. Okay, let's move on to our next segment,

which is talking about cars. Do we have a picture? Ken, and pull up the next picture. Picture of you. Sam, I saw this Cadillac Escalade EV randomly on the street the other day, which is surprising because it's not out. And in fact, when I saw it,

I thought to myself, What the hell is that thing? I had forgotten they were even going to produce the car, but they did. And boy, is it dull. Yeah, it's pretty ugly, too. I'm surprised. You ever see a real escalade? You're like, damn, that person is like, you know, doing stuff.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, the escalade from the time it came out, still today has this boss presence to it. And this does not have a boss presence to it. No, this looks like an escalate asking for permission. But we'll ride in them as Uber's. It'll be fantastic. There's a rear photo, too. We include that.

It's just, it's like, it has nothing compared to the presence of the legitimate escalate. Are these the CT5V tail lights, but, uh, turned upside down? That's one of the problems.

They've, they've tried to implement like, like these design elements. The design element that the regular escalate has that it does so well with is like, aggressive brutalism. And this, they're just like, oh, it's an EV. And they tried to do the range river thing with the floating roof,

but then they added this inexplicable panel of body color to break it up. Yeah, that doesn't make sense. What is that doing there? So then now you have a floating panel. But you saw this on Nantucket. Yeah, I did randomly. And I don't know what the deal is with that. And because I haven't seen one in real life anywhere else.

I don't, I was, I'm not a, I'm not completely into this vehicle. No. Do you know when it comes on sale? No, but they just announced pricing, and they said it starts at 130,000 United States dollars. Oh, that's bold. And then there's some picture on their website of like a really nice one, and it says, estimated as shown, $175,000. So you can get a new Rivian. 175 version of this trash.

You pay 120 grand for a new Rivian, 1100 ors power, 11 pound feet of torque. Or you can have this. Right. A regular escalate, by the way, starts at 84. Jeez. So you can pay $170,000. for an apology. Right.

That's kind of tough. Don't you think it looks like an escalate asking for permission. It looks like an escalate being, um, I don't mean to bother you, but if you could just please move out of the web, I'm trying to get through. That's what it looks like. It's a timid. It's a timid younger brother. The escalate comes out of the way.

Torp. Yeah, not a fan. The escalate says. Yeah, it's totally what the escalate says. Is this a Rivian right here? Abs. That totally looks like a reflection definitely looks like it. Anyway.

All right. On the subject of electric vehicles, Sam, please tell us about your Rivian experience. Sam has a Rivian and it isn't blue, which it should be, but he has one. And Sam, how is it going? Yeah. You may have noticed I mentioned it twice already, like a good EV enthusiast. But I have to say I absolutely love the truck. I daily drove an R8 for two years when I could and it was a blast to do.

And then I bought my Boxster Spider to replace it. And I said, I'm going to daily drive this. And then like three or four days later, I realized that was not happening. And so I drove a borrowed Jeep Wrangler for a year as my daily driver and finally decided it was time to get something comfortable. And I was cross-shopping all kinds of things. used Kyan turbos, model three, which was short-lived. But I ended up deciding on getting a Rivian R1T, and I could not love it more. It's comfortable.

It's got great self-driving tech. How many miles are you driven this thing already? I got a little over 4,000 miles already. Wow. Which is pretty aggressive. I got it in, what, March? So that's pretty good mileage. And I take it regularly about two and a half hours away where I have a business, and I can do

that whole trip there and back on one charge with getting home with like 50 miles left. And it's just near a snowboard store and Big Bear. Yeah, my snowboard store up in Big Bear. That's why I need a truck, you know. But I couldn't love it more. I never thought I would have an EV. And I can't really see going back to a non-EV for my daily driver, which is a crazy. Really? Is that true?

Yeah. I haven't been to a gas station except for in my. fun car for four months and it's lovely. I get home, I plug it in, I have a charger in my garage, I come out the next morning, car's ready to go, full charge, 340 miles I get. And you ever charge at those Tesla superchargers and upset people? I right when that happened, I pulled into a Tesla supercharger and because of where the charger is on the truck in the front left versus the Tesla's in the back right, I think it is, or maybe the back left. I had to pull into the charger next to the Tesla charger to use the charger next to it. And these people were pulling up to this empty spot

where I was using the charger from. And everyone was pissed. And you know, don't just do the sign says Tesla only. It's like, hey man, if the technology works, I'm going to use it. But this is not your fault. This is just poorly designed. The whole thing wasn't really ready for all this. Exactly. But I really, haven't had to public charge, much less than I expected. Yeah, and nobody does. I mean, when I go to these automaker press launches for EVs, they tell me that, like, 92% of customers do 92% of their charging at home or some crazy statistic like that.

So it's not surprising that you haven't. But so you're just driving around an electric car, and you're never going back to gasoline. Yeah, and it's so fast. I mean, 650 horsepower. I could dust Canon's M5, finally, because no car I've ever had could. And it's amazing. And then the software is incredible, which obviously based on Volkswagen's recent investment,

they value that software pretty heavily too. But like had an update the other day came out and now I have blind spot cameras all a sudden. Oh. It's like little things like that. Where do those appear? Are they in the center screen or in the gauge cluster? They're in the gauge cluster.

So when you indicate it comes up on the side. It's great though. I just love it. And yeah, I read a survey that I don't know. know how they collect this data, but that Rivian has some of the highest, like, customer satisfaction and would go back for another. And I could see sort of just getting the most recent R1T. And, you know, I lease the Rivian, which I think is the way to go. Because when you add up those lease payments, they do not add up to a fraction of the depreciation of that truck. But it's amazing. It's something.

You know, you could have bought a used one on cars and bids. I could have bought it used one. And it could been green. They're going for like 50. We sold one her 48 like 10 days ago. Did you? Yes, we sold a green one, which you should have bought with the power tonneau cover for 48,000 US. Wow. Well, mine was an 86 sticker, which is an amazing amount of money to spend on a pickup truck. But I got a previous year and all kinds of incentives on them when they were looking to hit quarterly numbers or something. So I'm pretty happy with my deal on it, but I can't imagine paying 90. And then, it being worth 48 the next year. Here's a crazy stat. I'm looking right now, we haven't sold one for over $64,000 in four and a half months. Wow. And that is that, by the way, that includes 15 different trucks.

Wow. And it was red. So indeed, as you suggest, the values will drop. You should probably lease this thing or buy it used. And these are all quad motors. I have a dual motor. So, yeah, I got a dual motor performance. But.

Yeah, but you're still, you're still. you're still not, you know. Yeah, it's probably a 40 truck now. I'm glad that you're having a good time with your personal vehicle. I'm thrilled with that for you, sort of. And on the other hand, is run into more issues. Yeah. What a disaster.

I want to introduce this story because I don't think you'll do it right. Last week, Kenan told us that he's going to spend 13,000 United States dollars. It was 12,000 something you extrapolate it to 13. Right. We're rounding up by $120. You're right. I'm completely out of control here. After you spent 13 grand last year and 12,000 this year,

I'm the crazy one for saying 13. My bad. You're going to be spending 25,000 on the car in 12 months, not 26,000. So fine. Including what's happened this week, he's at 15. There we go. So this week, what happened, Kenan? I heard there were some issues, shall we say.

Yes, there are two that have cropped up since we last talk. Now, admittedly, you filleted me on the last podcast, and it's been rattling around in my head. What did people say, by the way, I didn't check the comments on that. What you would expect? People are like, Kennedy should get rid of this thing. But then there are other people like, no, Kenning should keep this thing. He's put so much money into it. He should get his money out of it.

He should use a sunken cost fallacy. I know, which normally I don't believe in. But I do with the M5. But so, yeah, so I had two things that cropped up. So I drove the car to Orange County and back last weekend. And as I was leaving my neighborhood, I noticed that the H-FAC panel was pulsating at me, which it doesn't normally do. And then as I was going, there's no air coming out of the vents. But all of a sudden, I heard from the bowels of the car, I heard the blower motors start to come on.

And I noticed that the temperature of the air coming out of it was hot. Now, of course, I pulled, yes, this is a hot day. Southern California in July, headed to Orange County and back on the highway. And so I had, so I pulled over in my neighborhood. turn the car off, the motor's still running, like the blower motor still running, meaning that the car was going to die if I were to park it anywhere and leave it that way. But I really had to get to where it was going, so I did, went up there, and then I, like, disconnected the battery and had to, like, put it back together, like,

very, very. Look, I think we need different friends. All of our friends have to disconnect their batteries when they arrive place. I was going to ask you, in that Rivian, how many times do you had to disconnect your battery when you arrive somewhere because the blower motor won't turn off and it'll kill the car. Is that fair? It's a brand new M5 when this car is almost over 20 years old. So what it ended up being, I thought it was the final stage in it, which those of you know your E39,

it's a heat sink for the climate control system. They fail once every like 10 years. Turns out it wasn't that. It was actually the panel that controls the age fact. My friend Ryan, who's in E39M5 restoration expert, says he's seeing this with greater frequency. There's like a capacitor that fries on that, and then this is exactly what happens. The car defaults to maximum heat at your feet. Evidently, it's a safety thing, so if this happened to you in the wintertime, you wouldn't freeze to death.

I guess, I don't know, but it makes it very hot in Southern California in July. But I ordered a new one. That's showing up today. It's $200 for that. And you can install that? Easy-pezy. It's five connectors. I'll have it in, I'll have air conditioning, and it'll be fine.

Back to normal. That solves that problem. And then what happened? And then. I was driving the car, just cruising on the highway. I was coming back with my friend Ryan. We got dinner talking about E-39s. And the traction control light comes on.

Now, Ryan is a prankster. So I assumed that when I wasn't looking, he reached over and pressed the button or something so that I would chirp the tires when I pulled away from somewhere. No, I pressed the button. I'm like, did you play with something? And he said, no, no, I didn't touch anything.

I was like, well, great. He's like, well, don't worry. We'll pull the codes when we get back. So that's exactly what we did. and it threw a code for the pre-charge pump for the traction control system, which is indicative of the ABS module failure. Very common on E39's. Also, there's a component in there that just wasn't up to the task.

It's a very small thing. How much. So that's a, it's $200 to rectify that. And that's it. Conveniently, everything's $200. Are you sure about these numbers? I'm positive. I'm positive.

You send it to Module Masters in Colorado. They're great. It comes back. It does take them two days. They don't do core exchanges. either. They have to do it with your original one for some reason. I don't know why they do it that way, but that's how they do it. But they're great. This is a known thing. Ryan does this all the time. It's very common with E39. It's like the ABS module sits right over the header. I want to see the receipts. I'll, I will bring them when I have, well, I'll bring the one part I'm doing myself. I'll bring it. Does this push you into the $13,000? It does not. Thank you very much. So it's still. Also, Doug, you've assigned blame to Nick and I for letting this happen. to Kenyon. You were here when these numbers were being thrown around and they were insane then and they're insane now. I was really busy before I left and I didn't focus on stuff like this.

And now I got, I'm just sitting around and I can't tell me to spend another 12 grand on his car. I'm like, Kenan, I've been thinking it's hard to explain how much I've been thinking about it. I certainly think about it many times a day. Like the fact that Kenan is is putting all his money into this car. It's like literally or massively on my mind. People in that. comments please convince kenan not to do this well he wants a boxer spider and he can afford one if he gets rid of his m5 okay speaking of the boxer spider sam tell it sam has a boxer spider and he wants to get rid of it and i see here on our little document that you want to buy a car to convert to manual this is a new one i haven't heard before see you know when when dug goes away bad decisions happen

and we're all enabling each other without him to shut us down and this is one of those because our insane friend Nick won't stop sending me listings for things. A lot of Bentley Continental GTC's coming through. He's projecting that upon me. But yeah, I think it's time to part ways with my beloved Boxter Spider. I have had such an amazing experience with it, but I've done it. I've had it about 18 months. Wow. And I've done like 14,000 miles. It's not the longest of ever the car. But you have this whole thing about having more experiences. and that, you know, when you break it down and you want to spend 18 months with every car, you don't have that many cars that you can cycle through before life gets complicated and you can't do it like that.

So as much as I am obsessed with the Boxer Spider and driving home from dinner last night, I had like the most amazing experience rolling through the gears. It was just incredible. But I do think it's time. It's going to be listing on cars and bids. No reserve. Could be yours. But it's really gotten me thinking about.

what I'm gonna replace it with. And after driving our friend Nick's Mercilago a little bit, I really like the EG gear experience. I think it's kind of fun and the single clutch like you know thing about it. Yeah. And so all the cars I'm considering replacing it with are autos. They're all tips that I could convert. So R8b10, Gallardo, F430, or 575. Well, there are people do and gyardo conversions? Yeah, there's this guy in like Alabama who does R8s and gyardo's like in his garage and he's like the guy. So it's, I think it's 20, 25 grand for a R8 Gallardo swap. I think it's 40 for a Ferrari swap. Is that what it is? Something around

those lines. Yeah, depending on which model it is. I'm going to tell you right now, this is great podcast fodder, but Sam's never doing any of this guy. Sam, I think, I was thinking about Sam the other day as a person. Sam is like a conservative is the wrong word because he's taken some risks in his life, which is great. But he's like not a, you're not going to be a guy who's driving a Gallardo. It's just not going to occur. And then even if you were, you're never going to send it to Alabama for a $25,000 stick swaps. That does sound like a stretch. But I do, I have become obsessed with the 575 and the 430, but you guys just sold a 550 for a number that would be cheaper than a 575 and swapping it, which has to be like all kinds of reset. There are 550s out there like

that, not just from us. This one sold for 128, which was a great number for the car, but it was a 50,000-mount card. You got to kind of buy either a euro 550 or a high mileage 550 to do it. That would be a really cool car to have. We were talking yesterday, a euro 550 in a bad color combo. Yeah, that's probably a hundred car, right? Nothing's 100. Is that car still there? Is that car still there in the garage? It is sitting over there. You can barely see it from here. But yes, it is still here. Sam can get in it before the new owner takes it home. Well, interestingly enough, Sam came here over the weekend with his wife and had her sit in the car and took a look at, take a look at what are you thinking about? I was like, can you picture this?

She was like the dashboard's hideous. It's a light gray color, which looks kind of like plastic. It's grown on me. I have to tell you, I never hated the color combo like you guys. I drove that car and I was like, I could live with this color combo if it drives like this. I think it looks like that. And that's the thing. Like the bad color combo high mileage by a.

drive it. That's a good way. And to be clear, like, yeah, I agree with you. It ended up growing on me as well. But I understand your wife's reaction to, because we all had the same one except for dog evidently. But how cool is that car? So cool. It's amazing. But again, a 5-7, I mean,

the other thing with a manual conversion is it doesn't just happen. Like, it takes time and a lot of money and it's an annoyance and stuff can go wrong. And, I mean, look at, like, Tyler Hoover had to go back multiple times for, like, tuning on his grant. It was a 599. But so, like, it's not so, easy. It's not just, I always swapped it.

You don't think we could bang it out on the weekend? A couple of cold ones. I don't know about that. But my point is like it's easy. People like to throw around that all just swap it. I don't really think they understand like what's entailed necessarily and how long Ferrari service takes in general and how long that can take. I know. I'm so not ready for Ferrari maintenance. You burn through cars really fast.

That's you might get tired halfway through that process. I haven't driven the car. I just don't see this occurring. That is a great point of, Kenon. And I especially don't see Sam going and getting it swapped. And plus now there's people worried about swaps. They have your car for a long time. They have it completely apart. Who knows what's going to happen?

We know about EAG and the whole thing. And that's kind of scared people about swaps in general. I'm personally terrified. And Ferraris are the ultimate. I'm all right, Kenan. Gosh, exactly. Just get it from the factory that way. And they also hold their value better.

There's a clear differentiator there. But Ferraris are the ultimate while you're in their cars. And you're going to run into a lot of other stuff. and that bill is not just going to be for the transmission swaps. I know it's like get to the clutch. Well, you're looking at it. Might as well do that too. Got to do stuff.

Differentials got a noise. It's just like it. Ferrari's compound and they are just so expensive. The problem is I got this boxter spider and I made such a big deal about finding a CPU car. Like I don't want to worry about anything, you know. On the R8, I was worried about the AC compressor and the struts and all this stuff. Right. I don't want to worry about anything.

I have not remotely used my CPO warranty. Yeah, but Porsche is so different from Ferrari. I'm tenderized to it and I'm going to jump to this and it'll be a disaster. You are designed to be used though and Ferraris just aren't. Ferraris are designed to be art. Every time a Ferrari comes into our to our office and it's 20 years old, you can just tell like leather wears that like they weren't thinking about stuff the way that Porsche thinks about stuff.

It's just not how they, it's just not how they build the cars. That's a shame. That said this one's very nice given its mileage. I mean, I think that 550 is nice. The 456 is rougher, which is listed now. Yes. And it's disclosed as being rough. Like it's very clear what's going on with that car.

Also a good driver, honestly, because I drove it and drove well. But it's a rougher car. But I'm not looking for like a low mileage one. Like I do think a driver is the move because at least things have been fixed as they've broken. I still think like you should really consider the F430 personally. Like I think that it just suits you. I know, but the 575 are such values. Yeah, it just seems so cool.

I do love the 430 though. And ultimately that's probably what makes the most sense because it's on the scale of Ferrari. It seems fairly reliable. It's viable. It holds value. It's fun to drive. It looks like a Ferrari. And there's a ton of them around and the issues are known and none of them are that huge.

That's like the one. And being Sam, that's what you'll get except actually you'll get a Porsche. Okay. Next up, we're moving on to the market report. Market report. Brought to you by Cars and Bids. This is our podcast and we are sponsoring it. Cards and Bids provides auctions.

Sam, what does Cars and Bids do? People connecting people. Just like Facebook. No, we sell cars, you know, from the modern era. Okay, listing is free. What does Philippe always make us say every time? Free to list. Yes, he's just yelling at the screen.

He's pulling out his hair. And there will be a no reserve boxter spider on there in the next few weeks. That's right. Buy Sam's car in the next few weeks. A couple of things. A lot of conversations. We actually have a lot to discuss the market report. and all of it, a lot of it has to do with cars coming down in value.

Yes. I mentioned the AMG wagons. We've no-sailed our last two, 213 body-style AMG wagon. Yeah, this one here. So bid to 65, bid to 85, bid to 61. God, remember those cars during COVID when those 21s? Was it 21 that was the last V8 before they came back? Yeah, 21 was the last V8.

No, no, it was just, yeah, yeah. Then they came out with the final edition at the very end. but yeah that was like a one really really hot during they weren't appreciating owners are still clinging to that these cars are slowing slowing slowing slowing coming down kennan um kenneth just looking at e400 sir kennin you wrote on our pod doc one of your notice notice is exotic cars with miles seem to be coming down that z8 that you mentioned is a really really really good yeah this is a perfect example and the 550 too to be honest with you see this sale you see the z8 sale you could be driving that oh i've been looking titanium silver with a red interior this car had miles on it 60 000 miles which for a z8 is not nothing. There are tons of them with 5,000 miles. But it's sold for one.

Drive frame can handle it with only $12,000 a year in maintenance and repairs. That's right. I can speak to that exactly. But nonetheless, 135 for a Z8. I mean, these cars haven't, I mean, they, when I think ZA, I think you're paying 185, at least for one of us. Yeah, it doesn't seem to be the case as much anymore. They seem to definitely be coming down. I feel like early on in cars and bids, you guys sold like a driver. black one and we were like stunned that it was so cheap and it was like 170 grand we so yeah this black one 55 we sold um maybe it was five and that car had real miles that car is 67000 miles for 155 yeah well now a car with what less miles is at 135 that market has slowed down the world is changing

finally cars are losing value again and it's cars that are like really that are quite interesting and desirable hopefully not the boxer spider well it's good the ironically the boxer's fighter is a car that's staying pretty strong yeah but it's a unique car but nonetheless I think it's good for enthusiasts it's it's kind of nice to know that we can like afford to buy these cars potentially one day it's still expensive of course but like it's nice to know they just haven't continued to go stratospheric uh with their values which is good it's but it's for drivers have you guys discussed the l 405 yeah we talked about I was actually gonna bring it up today because we sold an L405 for like 14 did you see that yeah and it was here and I was like wow I

I think it was 17.5. Kenan doesn't know what an L405 is, but that one sold for full. And it's the TD6, which is the reliable one, right? I mean, it's not a V8, but yeah. 175. That's like what these are going for now. Life is crazy.

We can buy affordable cars again. Basically for Kenan's service, you could have an L405. Penn and or Sam. What would it take? What dollar value would you buy a Z8? at? Like currently? And 135 gets me pretty compelling. I mean, that's still a lot of it's a very special car. Yeah, but you didn't do it. Like, what would it take for you to buy a Z8?

I think at 100 I would definitely buy it, but I don't see them getting that cheap. I don't see them getting that low. I mean, I think 120, I think it's very fair. I could see him getting to that for a really high amount, like 76,000 miles. I mean, I saw one at Amelia Island this last year. It was, or it was two years ago, Topaz Blue, really nice, 155. 5,000 miles. Guy drove it, he's driven it to all 50 states, including Hawaii. That is so cool. Drove it down from, I think it was South Carolina or maybe it was North Carolina for Mealy Island. Just drives it. Bought it in La Jolla, drove it all the way back across the country. So like there are ones out there with a lot of miles on them and you wonder what those are worth.

That's got to be near a hundred right if it's 135 for a think so. Yeah, but there's, there's there's a there's a floor. I mean, I don't know about four GTs don't see it. It doesn't matter what mileage you have. Like there's there's not a two hundred thousand dollar for G. I bet there's a similar thing with Z8s. At some point, you are reminding yourself that you're buying Heinrich Fisker's finest creation, you know, there's a dollar value to that. Right, exactly. His biggest commercial success, even though it wasn't really a commercial success. Even though it was deemed a failure at its time to a commercial, but nonetheless. And you know what? That's going to happen to the ocean. Mark my words, those oceans that are $14,000, someday they'll be worth $17,000.

You wait. Just you wait. Okay, on the subject of cars that are selling for, there's a lot of cars that are coming down in value, but there are a couple of cars that are not. Kenan, I want to talk about that replica Kuntash. I totally forgot about it. You put it on your list. Please bring it on with that.

Oh, I have to, I don't know what I have to type in to find out. Type in Fiera because we sold it as a Fierro because that's how it's title. So this was fascinating. So this, we sold this past week on Cars and Bids. So it was a, like Doug said, a Kuntosh based on a Fioro and a really convincing one. Now, it is, to Doug's point, it looks like it's supposed to be a low body,

but also like they wanted to make it a round-belly? I don't know. They chose some- No, no, no. There are all the low-bodies around-belly. It's a 5,000 QV. It's a down-draft. They made a down-draft replica, but it's clearly supposed to be a low-body car,

and that didn't exist. But it is an amazing replica, and if Sam saw this on the street, he'd be like, I saw a kuntosh. Yeah, would make my day. Yeah, very convincing. But it sold for, $70.

Real money. 68. I mean, real money for like a, I mean, it's a really good rep. And the best part is, okay,

so the wheels, everybody cheeps out on the wheels because Kuntash wheels are incredibly expensive, obviously. These are replica wheels. They're not Kuntash wheels, but they look,

I mean, I wouldn't be able to tell. And then the interior, go to the interior. Like, they actually made the trash interior like correct. Even the seats,

which are hard to do. The only exception is the gated manual. You see the gated manual and you see one G6 on the VIN plate and otherwise you got yourself a Kuntash. It's all pretty amazing. It is a, it's a remarkable replica.

Shows how simple that interior is that some guy can recreate it perfectly. Yeah, that looks like the Kuntosh. Yeah. It's really amazing. I'm really astonished by how nice it looks. So I just bought that. No, of course. You should have save a fortune.

But, but nonetheless, like, it was just like a surprise. We didn't know, like, nobody knew what. it was going to bring. Like, how do you value that? But it is kind of wild that, like, I guess, and I guess, I mean, which engine was this in this car again? 5.7V.A. Yeah, it's a lot.

L.S. Hats off to our reserve team, actually, for knowing the value of this car and getting it sold at auction. I was thrilled. There have been a few replicas, Diablo's, Kuntoshes, that are bringing, like, real money. They are, but this was the best one I've seen lately. There was a good Kuntash replica on bringing trailer ages ago, but this, this one was really, really, really nice. And I truly think it would fool almost anyone,

especially people who haven't spent time around Kuntash's before. Where was it located? It was North Carolina. Man, that was fooling everybody. Yeah, that's right. Everybody in North Carolina was fooled. Except he'd pull up at a car show, and once every five years there'd be a real Kuntas, Derek, turn around.

Turn around and leave. I don't get out of there. I don't need anybody to compare this thing against my. The other thing I want to talk about is we have a crossblade live. Kenan, why don't you pull it up and let's just get it out there in the open? You've made some serious attempts at crossblades. This is our fifth crossblade we've tried to sell? I think that's right.

Fourth. It's our fourth crossblade. We own the market in crossblades. The other guy's never selling them. We sold one without a title for the Peterson Museum, and it sold for 37 grand bill of sale. And I thought it would sell for seven, but it sold for 37. So then I was like, all right, well, I want to get in on this.

sensing blood in the water. And so I bid like crazy on the next two, and I lost him both. To the same guy, right? No, the guy who was second highest bidder on the second one ended up buying the third one. So I felt like he deserved it.

So I backed off, you know, let him take it. You know, this one's in St. George, Utah, and I am about to drive from San Diego to Park City right through St. George, Utah. Maybe I should pick it up on the way. What's this guy in St. George doing with this thing? I mean, what is his experience like, you know? Where is he taking us?

He's being very hot. The St. George one is a high mileage car. So the previous two were 950 miles and 2,500 miles. And of course, the car has no doors, windshield, roof. What do you mean no windshield? Yeah, I drove it. It has no windshield. It has a reflector, but that doesn't unfortunately function like you or I would think of a windshield.

I was once in Capri, Italy. And a guy pulled up with one of these wearing all white linen. He was a restaurant owner and he walked right in. And I was like, that is the coolest thing I've ever seen. How perfect. I thought it was a concept car before I saw it like that. It looks like a concept car. This one is number 40.

Now, there was a purported 2,000 unit production run. But I don't believe they sold that many because it doesn't have. Such a finite area that they were sold in along the Coutizur. That's it. Yeah, that's right. That's the only place I've ever seen, too. It's the only place I've ever seen. Well, except for this one in St. George, Utah.

What a throw out. Schedule registered with South Dakota plates. I want this car so much, but I'm not going to do it. You learned from the A class that maybe you're not. I'm just done. I just have no interest in purchasing any more cars. But I did want to call attention to the fact that I love it, that I know it's there, that I miss it, and that I wish that I could have it.

Yes. It's got time. You two can go and bid on the smart cross blade. What's it at? Right now. 5,500 miles is high mileage. I take all of this back if it's going, if the bidding is low, I'm buying that thing. But it'll get where it needs to go because they always do.

Probably 55. Okay. In this time now for our question and answer segment. Questions, questions, questions. And answers. Nice. Thanks. Now, as always, if you want to ask your own questions, you click on the community.

tab at Cars and Bids and we will have a post that says here's where you ask your questions for next week's podcast and then you type in your question and that will be live right now last week we forgot to make the post but people still asked a bunch of questions and so we're going to handle some of them and i will start with impulse zero who asks Doug stock delorean review please yeah i would like to review a stock delorian i haven't yet i reviewed a back to the future time machine delorean but i have not done a stock one and someday I have no doubt I will. Next question from Sonic Automotive. Most underpowered sports car, question mark.

All time? Yeah, maybe the Hyundai Scoot. Any Miata? Oh, no, I disagree. Perfect. Canon, pull up a picture of the Hyundai Scoop. Okay. Damn, you ever heard of this car?

Never. Wow, that's how they supposed. Scoop. Yeah, it's S. Coup. In some markets, they called it the S-Coop, and in the U.S. they called it the scoop. Love that. How much power are we talking?

Wait, you know what, actually? Pull up the Mercury Capri on the subject of the Capri, actually. The Capri XR2. Sam, you remember this car? Of course. The XR2? Yeah. You don't know this car?

Looks like a sob. What was it? XR2 like that? Yeah. A bunch of marine engines. And the little. known XR 2. Sam, you know this car?

Of course, a staple. Sam, this car is built in Australia, and you briefly lived in Australia. You got to know the history of industry. All the great Australian cars, the HSV Maloo. Anyway, those are my answers. Kenan said N.A. Miata. Sam, give us the most underpowered sports car. 914.

914. What was that, like 12 horse? That is actually the correct answer. I've got more. 356, although people might ask that. Oh, that's it. Even better, yes. That is a good one.

That's it. The most overrated underpowered. Yes, we've really hated on the 356 and the last couple podcasts, but that's, that would be great. He's lost the whole bathtub community on the pod. If Sonic Automotive asked most overrated sports car, it'd be the same exact answer. So perfect. There you go. I'll take that as the correct answer.

That's why they hate us over at Spike's Car Radio. These guys are trash on the 356. Jerry Seinfeld is getting upset. All right. Next question from Dr. Grover. Which car would be amazing, if not for a specific weakness that is its downfall? Is there one car that stands above the rest for having the biggest Achilles heel? You know, the obvious answer is the E60M5.

That may be the answer. Yeah. F355. F3.55. Yeah, those are both good ones. I'm trying to think. Those are, I mean, that's kind of. of that's kind of it.

The Alpha 4C with its tip. Yeah. I think the 355 is very high. I mean, realistically, if that car were reliable, they would be worth multiples, I think,

of what they are. I mean, and like, GTS is already showing that at $300,000. I mean, like, at a certain point,

people stopped caring about the maintenance, but like they would all be worth a lot more, but, you know, yeah, they are just awful to live with.

Right. That's true. Plus, it was Enzo's last car. not even close to being accurate, but okay. Let's look at the month as almost third car, fourth car. Let's do the thought experiment together, okay? About the evoked cat.

The 348, when did Enzo die? Enzo died when? 1988. All right. The 348 came out when? 1989. Okay. So Enzo was around.

Like, let's be honest. Enzo was around for the 348. It's not like, it's not like they came in. He died and then they were like, let's do this. He was around. He was there when the 348 was. was there, right? Then the 355 came out and all it was with a 348 with swapped body panels like a Volkswagen Golf Harlequin edition, right. Am I wrong? This is all correct. Yeah, you're right. Other than the

completely different engine, completely different transmission, completely different interior. The engine was different. The engine was different. But otherwise, it was a 348 with Volkswagen golf harlequin swapped body panels. Like, you can take the 348 body panels, put on 355. If you want like half your car to be a 355 and half your car to be a 348, you could do that. And the 355 went all the way till 99. It's Enzo's last car. It's the last car of Enzo DNA is what you're saying. Like he breathed on it in some way and just some chassis rails made it through and like a windshield. But it's Enzo's last car. That is a stretch even by your standards. It's the end of an era. That's for sure. But you're nuts. What is the bigger stretch? That or the fact that the Model S plat is naturally asked?

That one's worse. That is without question. It's substantially worse. It's not turbo-tru. charge. Is it forced induction? Nope. You can't tell me it is. It's no, whatever. I can't get into it. I'm not pushing my buttons. You're right. There's no induction. It is naturally aspirated by wind. Thank you. Thank you for answering me. Anyway, 355 E60M5. Those are the answers to this question. We can't think of anything better. No, I mean, there are probably a number of, like, launches and, like, really unreliable. I'm also the fact that the launch of strato's is old. No, once it becomes old, it's like, well, it's unreliable because it's old. Like, that just becomes the, like, you know, I don't know.

But I think like from the modern era, which is what I'm thinking of, those are like the ones that instantly. Imagine a reliable E60M5 would be the coolest thing. Aren't all M cars unreligable? Oh, that's going to make people. Aren't all M cars unreliable, he asks. Yes, except for the E36M3, which was underpower. The only way that DMW can make a reliable performance engine, is if the car doesn't have enough power.

Right. Of course, mine's traveled 237,000 miles. I have put money into it, but it is still around. It's like, it's, I find a Ferrari 237,000 miles on it. I mean, those performances just don't last. You've not even going to dignify that. Okay, next question comes from X, Andre 3,000. I sometimes hear people talk about not getting too far down the hole of fixing things

when they're selling a car and instead recommending selling a car as is. What are some things that are worth fixing a repair? before selling a car to maximize value. That's a great question. I have been preparing my car for sale. So my car is a CPO car, so I figured that nothing mechanical is a concern of anyone. But I replaced the wear items.

So I have brand new PS4S is on it, brand new brake pads. And other than that, car doesn't need much. I wouldn't do tires. I don't think they'll go dollar for dollar getting dollar dollar back on tires. I would never do tires.

And also the buyer might prefer a different type of tire. And the PS4S is, though, they're the best. I mean, for that car, best tires on the market and they were pretty cooked. Yeah. I wouldn't read tires. You're not going to get two grand back or whatever those tires cost.

I wouldn't do tires. Well, don't listen to me. I would do wheel chips and like things like that. Like if you can get like the wheel refinisher guy, do PDR, paintless debt removal. Those kind of things are fairly inexpensive and actually go a long way and making a car look more presentable. There's a lot of stuff that I see that cars come up on the site with.

that I'm like for very cheaply you could have just made it look a lot better with doing like minor things trying to sell a car with how it's center caps in the wheels that's like a 20,000 dollar value deduction right there black wheels yeah I would yeah I fully agree with that I also think to your point having a car nicely detailed makes a really big difference like it just shows that's been cared for and like you've done that and ultimately you know if like if you know you're coming up on like an oil change just do it like it's just like just those little things just just the little things. Like truly, if there are really big, if there are things that the car needs, be honest about them. Like, it just establishes a level, a layer of trust between the people who are bidding on your car and, and, and yourself.

Because people can't see the car in person and things like that. So like, and ultimately, older cars, people know there are things. Like, of course, I could probably spend another 20 grand away on five fix, making it really perfect if I wanted to. But like, you know, I understand at some point you have to stop, although I have trouble with that. He does not understand. I would also say that fixing, tasteless modifications is probably good. And the problem with people who do tasteless modifications is that they don't think that those modifications are tasteless. But like minor stuff,

like you deplasty dip the badges black or you put on some heinous aftermarket wheel but you still have the stockies. Like go to the trouble of like trying to get the cartley's back. If you put on some stripe, right? You like did some vinyl wrap strike. Pull that off. I would pull off any vinyl wrap on.

Instagram stickers. Take them off. Like just stickers of any kind. Get rid of them. Like it really detracts value. And it's annoying because we have to ask people to do that during the process. But like truly just like if you can look to your point, return the car to a stock as possible. The more stock the car is, the more money it generally brings.

There are some cars where mods add back. People think no, my mods, that's true. But my mods are the bad. I think all mods are bad. So, you know, it's just like they're whenever someone is buying a car, they are thinking to themselves, I am going to have to spend on top of the purchase price, X amount to make this car not look like this anymore. And it starts to add up to the point where in some cases,

some people say I'm just going to buy a different one. And so my E46M3 that I bought and sold on the site, it had some mods that I could reverse myself. And it was a fun process. And I added a massive amount of value to that car by replacing all the blacked out emblems and grills and all that. I had the seats redone on the inside, which I do think that was.

a pretty big value ad. When I bought the car, the red leather was torn and gross and I had just the two front seats redone and that interior looked incredible. Yeah, it did. It did. You did add a lot of value to your car. Unfortunately, you learned what Kenan knows every day, which is that owning a aging BMWm car is tremendously expensive. And so even in spite of all this, you lost money. Kenan told me about the big three. He didn't tell me about the fourth. Right. Well, cats are not something that normally is. It just means to go. Like, they just don't go. You got unlucky there. And back to the sunk cost thing. I spent seven grand on the cats and I listed it on the site. Yep, because you knew it was time to get the F out. It was only going to happen again.

Kenon for me to think about. Okay, next question from Jackie B-13. I put this in. Sam's going to know exactly why I put this question in. What I don't even want to discuss it. I'm just going to say it. What model offers trims or sub-models that are most different from each other? For example, I just got a new Bronco. Cool. You did? Yeah, it's a Bronco Sport. The answer, of course, is the Mercedes-Benz CLK, which has the finest great walk of any automobile in history. I was in Europe and I saw CLK-170s last month. And that's like a 1.7-liter two-cylinder with 36 horsepower. And you can walk that all the way to the CLK GTR Roadster, of which they are nine and they cost $20 million. And they have the same taillights.

Am I right, Kenyon? I don't think technically you are. I think that they change the dimensions on like everything. including the tail lights. Wasn't it the grill and the headlights and grill. Maybe the tail lights the same. Door handles. Tail lights, headlights, grill and door handles.

Pull up a picture. Now. Yeah, CLK GTR. Even aside from that, just the DTM. I mean, that's a massive jump. And that literally is the same car. And the black series and then the regular AMG. Like there's on top of the regular AMG, there's like 25 versions above that.

Those are CLK tail lights. Now pull up a, pull up a CLK from that air. Right. That's the. What generation is that? I hated the first-gen-C-l-k, so I can't speak to its generationalness. Yeah. Oh, I spelled completely wrong.

But yeah, that. Well, that, there. A good example. All those base wheels. Look at that. Yeah, I'm actually kind of into those. Those are alloys that look like steelies. It was a great way that they...

Oh, those aren't the bases. Those were on E-classes, too. Those are great wheels. Okay. Look, the point is that's the answer to the question. That's the answer. Okay. I have two more questions, two more questions,

and they're both really, really, really, good. Okay. Number one, from the Siva, 1988. Why don't you create a feature that automatically removes the reserve if the bids have passed the reserve amount? Do you want to know how I can tell that Siva 1988 isn't in the auction? I'm going to tell you the answer to this because people ask this question to me sometimes. Here's the deal. When you announce that your reserve is met, you're doing yourself a disservice because people are out there trying to get a car and like snag a deal. And when you tell people that you've met the number that I thought it was worth, they instantly say to themselves, oh my gosh, I'm bidding too much. I shouldn't do it. We have people

every single day on cars and bids sellers saying to the audience, yep, this car's selling, reserve is met. Don't do that. People keep going if they want to. The moment you announce that the reserve is met, you are telling people in their minds that they are paying too much for the car, even if it's not true, even if you set your reserve at some unrealistically to low dollar amount just to make sure it gets there, whatever, sometimes people will do that. The moment you say it's met, people are anxious. They're like, oh, no, I'm paying too much for this. I'm paying too much for this. And that is why you don't want to announce when the reserve has been met. Exactly. And I will never do it. How do you feel about the opposite when sellers say the

reserve has not been met and it's like the final time of the auction? Yeah, maybe that makes more sense to what you to try to incite bids. But I just wouldn't. Or the opposite. Don't say anything about it. Just don't even bring it into the conversation. Just let the chips fall where they may and let people bid on the car. Everybody thinks it's like mekem where it's like this excitement.

It's like, well, no, those people are filled by alcohol and stuff like that. Like really good. I'm not going to name the exact auction house names, but at a lot of these auction houses, the lamp is putting in half the bids. That's another. That's another story. We don't, we don't. I'm not,

there's no lamp selling cars but exactly but yeah to that point like yeah with reserves just keep it to yourself

like really true or have the guts to go no reserve which then people get really excited about and that really brings the money because people know is they're going home with it

and they tend to feel less worried about like overpaying they just know that they can have it and that possibility is there and the next bid might do it and that really I'm a believer in it sold both my cars that way

for what well, you're about to do that. You've done it. All of us do it. Admittedly, when I told my wife that I'm selling it no reserve and whatever it bids to, I'm selling it for her. She was a little concerned about that. Everybody's concerned.

Everybody's concerned. And I get it. There still have people I haven't been able to convince to do it, but they're wrong. Generally. I think that people shouldn't sell no reserve if they, there are circumstances in which I sell no reserve. And the biggest is if people are not able to present the car well. But if you're presenting it well with amazing photos and you can be a great seller and you have no, nothing to hide.

Sell it with no reserve. Right. Ultimately, worst case, the dealer who offered you whatever is going to be on the site. Yeah, that's the thing. Dealers will buy the cars wholesale on the site if the worst case happen. And some people are like, what if it sells for a dollar? And I'm like, I'll give you two. I'll give you five right now.

Right. Right. Okay. Okay, final question. Dear Douglas, two questions. I'm only going to answer, address one of them. I'm asking your thoughts on the B7 Audi RS4. Why have you not reviewed one yet? How does it compare to its competitors of its day? Sam, go ahead. Well, so many of our friends have it B7 RS4s and begged you to do reviews, but you're waiting for the sprint blue. Yes, that's why. But how does it compare to its competitors of its day? Well, according to Kennan, you sit on it instead of in it.

Yes, the seating position is very high, I feel, in that car. It's like the M3. lower into it and like it just doesn't go down and up. That's why you feel like you're riding kind of high in that car. I always felt that way. But it's a wonderful car. For 2007 Audi RS4 ground clearance. No, it's not ground clearance. It's the seat position. It's it's how high the seat sits. You feel like you're sitting higher and the E9 XM3 you feel like you're sitting lower. 3.7 inches in your car uh 3.7 seems low to be perfectly honest. It's really. In your car, it's four inches, four inches.

So it's actually lower. Ken is the one sitting on top there. It's the way the cabin feels, not the actual height of the car. And your car is much higher off the ground than an RS4. You're basically sitting on your sunroof while you're driving it. How do you do that? How do you drive from the sunroof? Do you reach your hands in?

And what happens if the sunroof breaks, which it will? It did once already. I fixed that, though. I won't do it again, according to you. But I don't know. I think the reason part of it is like, The driving dynamics of like the Unitedxm3 are sharper than the RS4 was. The RS4 is kind of, I mean, it was all-wheel drive, which certainly added weight,

but the engine position is also very far forward as a lot of outies are. So I think, I don't know, I think that's, I think compared to its rivals, that was one of the things. And the C-63 came out with just a giant motor. But auto. And R-S-4 was manual on it? And it's the only one of the three that's all-wheel drive. So if you live somewhere where the weather is inclement, the RS-4 is the car.

They're all really cool. I love RS4s. I've long considered getting one alongside the M5, but they're just a little bit too similar for my winter uses when I lived in Ohio. But nonetheless, a wonderful car. And that engine, oh, my God, that engine's just lovely. Yeah, that's the same motor I had in my R8.

Miltech exhaust and you're there. So good. Cool car and power chain. I have always wanted to review one, but I'm holding out for a cab. Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye, everyone. Thank you for watching our podcast.

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