THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - The Ferrari Luce Nightmare!

Episode Date: May 29, 2026

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And this is a very important episode of our podcast. We recorded this episode a week ago because I am out of town. So we recorded the whole thing. We were going to post it. And then disaster struck. Actual disaster. This is bad. Real disaster.

The Ferrari luce is announced. And we're sitting here. We have to comment on this. We have the biggest car pot. We have to comment our opinion and tell people how we feel about this thing. So Ferrari, Lucce, Felipe, why don't you start us off with just the basic facts, and then we'll get into what we think. Yeah, so Ferrari on Monday, yesterday was for filming this, revealed the Lucche after months of, like, teasing the interior and teasing other things. It is a five-seater, four-door, electric vehicle.

Yeah. We'll get to some pictures in a minute. It has something like a thousand and fifty horsepower from four motors, one in each wheel. The rear ones produce 800 something of that. We expected to have just shy of 300 miles range in the US cycle, a little bit over that in the WLTP European cycle. It was developed and design and collaboration between Ferrari's Design Studio and Johnny Ive

and his design for Love From. And Johnny Ive, of course, famous for his Apple work. All right, I have a lot of thoughts about this. The biggest of which is this is an absolute abomination and the single worst decision that I don't want to say that any automaker has made in my lifetime, but we're getting there. We're getting really, really, really close. Let's start with Ferrari and just what this is for Ferrari.

Ferrari says they want to bring on, they want to kind of go in a different direction. And I've been thinking about this, and I wonder if the different direction they want to go in is that they want to, for the first time in their history, have nobody interested in one of their products. I wonder if that's where they're headed with this one. I don't find it to be particularly ugly. A lot of people are saying it's ugly. I think it'd be fine. I think if it was released as a pole star or a Honda, we'd be like, oh, yeah, this is a car, whatever.

I think releasing it as a four-door electric Ferrari that looks so generic and so non-ferrari and so not desirable, right? Like, it looks practical and aerodynamic, but, like, this isn't how we think of Ferrari. It's just a total, it's absolutely insane. And I want to be clear here about a couple things. I think it's insane. I'm sure you guys do. Everyone does. All comments I have seen all over social media everywhere have been unbelievably negative.

I have not yet seen a single positive comment anywhere from anyone on any subject. But this isn't just the usual internet car enthusiast losers who are going off. Luca de Montezemelow, who is Ferrari's CEO. before was quoted on the record today as saying, if I said what I think it would damage Ferrari, we risk the destruction of a myth. I hope they remove the prancing horse from that car. This isn't just a guy. This is the most important guy in Ferrari's modern history who blew up the brand and created

Ferrari basically what it is today. Ferrari stock price today dropped. Ferrari's still resting on the steam in the momentum that Lucas set in motion. Well, to a degree. I think Ferrari, Ferrari IPOed in a post-Luca era and have greatly expanded things since then in a way that some purists don't love, but that has been very successful financially for Ferrari. And so Luca kind of started them on this trajectory, and I think they've done an amazing job of continuing on this trajectory since then. But this is, this changes things. Ferrari's stock price today was down almost 5% on the announcement, which I think is proof that it's not just a bunch of internet people who don't like it.

This is real. Like, these are real people responding in real time watching this and saying this is a complete disaster. Unbelievably negative. I have a lot of, like, kind of annoying rich guy friends who aren't actually into cars but sort of like pretend to be. And all of them are laughing. These are the kind of people who would normally buy something like this, who like bought, you know, cayenne turbos and other EVAQSs. And they're sitting here like, who would touch this car?

You know who likes this car is Mustang Mock E buyers? It's the same exact concept. Let's take iconic name and just put it on absolute crap, and let's see what happens. Okay, Mustang Maki is a relatively compelling when it came out EV product. Here's what I think Ferrari is struggling with. They realize that they have to, in some markets, Europe being one of them, frankly, if they want to have any amount of sales growth, they need to offer an EV. That's kind of non-negotiable for some of the world markets where they compete.

It's not true in the U.S., but it's true in some markets that they need to offer something. For a bunch of regulatory reasons. For every other manufacturer, I think it makes sense, yes. For Ferrari? I think to have growth to be able to sell in certain markets, I do think they will need to have an electric vehicle in their lineup. Yeah, I think that that's a acceptably fair point, especially Asia. I think that they saw the failure of some other cars, the Pina Fierierreta being one of them, a bunch of others where these are like high-powered sports cars that have not done well

in the market. And they thought, we need to go in a different direction. It feels like they chose the wrong different direction, but I get what led them. I think that there's, you can see where their head was. You can see what they're thinking. A practical four-door car is much more popular in China, where sports cars have not been particularly popular, even Porsches. And so there's some sense to that.

hey, we need to go in a different direction, so we're going to hire this totally different design team, basically, to, like, take us in this different direction. And this is going to be a new Ferrari. And so you kind of understand where they're going in that sense, but it is obviously one of the stupidest, most indescribably idiotic decisions. I mean, any one of these things taken individually would be insane. The car has basically the numbers of, like, a nice pull star, right? Like, 0-6-25. I know. It's not competitive.

The Lucidair Sapphire Sapphire is 1.8.8.1.8 seconds. Like that, that's a, that Ferrari is the fastest, whatever. If Ferrari is going to come out with this car and charge, what, 3x, what Lucidara's charge, lucid charges for that Sapphire. And then it's going to look like this and not even be faster. Right. That's the thing, really. I think Ferrari, despite what everybody wishes, which is I think everybody wishes that Ferrari was a more sentimental brand that looked back and tried to just keep going. That's not how they present themselves. Yes, but in the... I agree. That's not what they want to be. Sure. But in the design of this car, there's a lot of looking back, the round tail lights, a lot of the interior features, a lot of what Johnny I have took from Ferrari is looking back. Sure.

Philippo's point, though, is a great one. Ferrari has actually, not only have they don't view themselves as being sentimental, they've actually been successful by being not sentimental. Every time they've come out with a new product that has not been sentimental, an SUV, a four-seater convertible in 2008, which was a big deal. They have actually, all they've done is get more sales and sell more cars. And so they're sitting here watching this. I bet you there are people in Ferrari HQ sitting there watching this and saying, this will blow over.

It's another California launch. This is just another California. These people don't know yet. And I think what who doesn't know is Ferrari. We have watched brand after brand attempt these things and not succeed particularly well and walk back EV strategies, not just in the states, but globally because demand hasn't been there, but particularly demand hasn't been there at this point. price point in this segment. The Batista and the Rimacnavera are good examples, but Lamborghini bailed

out of the whole thing because they listen to their customers. And I think it's interesting. Ferrari has always been intentionally arrogant about listening to their customers. They've always kind of, we're not going to listen to our customers. We know what's best. And I think that works right up until it doesn't. And this will not work. This is a, not just an abomination as a, it's just, it's embarrassing. It's completely embarrassing to do this to the Ferrari brand. A couple of things that are interesting, legitimately. Five-seater, first five-seater Ferrari. Why they felt they need to do that?

I don't really know, but regardless. Because Asia, I think because cars with four doors and five seats. Four doors, yeah, but four seats, I think is fine for the Asian market, too. I don't know. How they got specs to be that unimpressive? It's hard to know. I want to know what it weighs. Is if it's super light, then that becomes much more interesting.

It's not. I want to know that number. I have a few other things that I've been thinking about. As do I, but Kikuga, go ahead. Johnny Ive is famous in the design world, maybe one of the most famous living designers. And I don't want to say that he's got an ego. I don't know him.

I haven't seen a lot of interviews with him. But obviously, he has this respect. So he goes into this, and probably people are willing to, you know, first off, what is his legacy look like after this? Obviously, there's a tarnishment here, and there will be when this car is the flop that it will become. But you also have to wonder, like, are people just, did people just say yes because Johnny I've said it to be true, and he did the iPhone or he knows what he's doing, and we want to go in a different direction. And so here's, here's this man who he must know better than us, you know, like, and just people rubber stamped it because they just assumed that a different direction meant something like this. I'm curious about that.

Well, so I do want to say about that. The shape itself per Ferrari's own press releases was designed by Ferrari before Brayette. bringing in Johnny Ive. All he did from their description was basically like put the finishing touches on it, do some of the like stylistic elements around the shape. Well, he's gonna go, I mean, regardless of that, he will go down as being associated with this forever. Oh, totally.

I mean, this will be part of his legacy. I was also interested in some of my colleagues who went to the event. Pay close attention over the next week to these videos. There are going to be people who tell you, things in order to keep a relationship as opposed to the truth. And we are going to tell you the truth here. This thing sucks. This spring, denim gets a softer, lighter update.

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I'll tell you what it looks like. It looks like ass. It is much lower than a pura sangway. I don't remember the exact number. It's longer. It's also lower. I do wonder what it looks like relative to other cars. It's interesting.

There's a creator named Cleo Abram that doesn't do car content, but got to interview Johnny Ive and Flavio Manzoni, who's the head of design for Ferrari. And she asked really the right questions that you want to ask, like, what would Enzo Ferrari think of this? What would Steve Jobs think of this? And they had a really hard time answering those questions.

Yeah, I think I would too. Okay, I do want to think about a couple of interesting things. By all accounts, from people that were there in person, so take everything that I'm about to say with the grain of salt that Doug added. The interior is stunningly beautiful and, like, well executed, great materials, truly beautiful, purportedly. We predicted on this podcast a couple of months ago that they showed the interior first because the car was going to be so disappointing

that they wanted to get some positive. I agree, the interior looks cool. We predicted that. We even put out a short. The one thing that I do think is actually interesting. So apparently the motors are designed by Ferrari, which is kind of interesting. That's somewhat rare in the EV world.

The batteries are made to be able to swap out for future battery cell types, which is kind of interesting. The sound thing is actually truly interesting. So you can change the sound that you're getting from it. But the sound is captured from the vibration in the axles. It's not like a false sound that's generated for this like everybody else does. Like BMW does, that's Hans Zimmer. Can you change the sound to make the car not stuck?

Is that possible? I can't speak to that. But it is kind of interesting to use the sound waves from like the vibration, the axles that are then amplified. That's somewhat interesting. I will say, in the- Just not going to be enough, Felipe. No, God, no. For sure.

Is this going to be the first time Mancari improves a Ferrari? I don't think it's that... I don't like how it looks, by the way. I do think that it looks like the next-gen I pace. Like, when I look at it, I think I see a next-gen eye pace. And that's another sadness for me. Like, this is a derivative car. Ferrari's entire history has been, like,

with a few exceptions in the 60s and 70s, has been like being the leaders in design. We're going to go out there and we're going to just make the most beautiful cars that are the most desirable and everyone else is going to follow us, especially in the last 20 years. And that's been true. And to show up with this derivative design that looks like it could be a Mercedes, a Polestar, a Jaguar, like anything, that's just like totally crazy. You know what hit me the other day.

It hit me as I was thinking about this. Everybody always accuses me of being a Porsche guy, you know, if Ferrari's going to do this. Like, my kids are going to grow up in an era where Porsche is the enthusiast brand. Ferrari has been, has handed this to Porsche. When I was a kid, Ferrari was the enthusiast brand. And me and Sean fell in love with Ferrari. And I know every Ferrari, and I am most obsessed with Ferrari of any brand. And why is my child going to, like, grow up in that same way?

Porsche's making cars with manual transmissions and, like, real, naturally aspirated engines, and Ferrari's making this. Like, this is what, for $600,000. Like, what? Competitive specs really. I find it kind of addressing. I want to see one in person to really draw judgment. The Doug review of this car is going to be amazing.

Yeah, I mean, obviously they won't lend me a car, so I'm going to have to borrow it from somebody. I'd be surprised. Obviously, the people that I borrow Ferraris from are going to be forced to buy one. And I think that that's a reality of this car. Ferrari's going to point to some sales and say, hey, we're selling them. But that's only because there are people who are hoping for allocations of other cars who are going to get stuck with them. One thing I do find very interesting is, Faroy has made it incredibly clear that they want this car to be a car that creates new buyers for them. And so I assume what they are hoping for is people who are not just trying to play the allocation game and get allocated an SP4 or an SP5 or an SP6 or whatever those cars come.

They're trying to find actual new customers buying this car. And I can't imagine there's a market for this car outside of people who are forced to buy it. I'm not as pessimistic on it as you and literally every other person is. That's $600,000 you're not as pessimistic? There's a lot of rich people who like tech. I think it looks kind of interesting. They're all going to get laughed at. Those rich people only like this stuff in as much as it is cool.

They only buy these cars in as much as. as it makes them feel cool to be driving it and be looked at as cool by other people. No one will think that about this. If someone I know who's in my rich guy's sphere buys this car, the rest of us will all be laughing at him behind his back. And to me, I would laugh at him to his face. This is an absolute abomination.

I get your point about it being looking like a lot of other EV that being a little derivative of that. I don't fully agree. I think there's a lot of pretty unique elements from an asylum perspective, I think that there's a chance that in real life, in some markets,

this does come out and looks futuristic and can bring new people to the brand. I'm not as pessimistic about it as I think you or most other people, especially in the US are.

I don't think there's a car for us. There's not a car for the US market. I mean, it will come here by all accounts, but I don't think it was developed with those in mind. I think that's reflected here. It's not a car for any market. That's probably true.

By the way, can I throw out the headlight appears to be in the lower section of the bodywork. It doesn't matter. The details do not matter. The overarching big picture is Ferrari has been an object of desirability that seems untouchable and amazingly cool to the point of frustration, honestly, for the last 25 years.

Other automakers bang their heads against the wall saying this hurricane is just as good. Why can't we keep resale? Why can't we have a long waiting list like Ferrari does? Why can't we, you know, get people into an MC20, right? Like, even though for a, it's the same. It looks the same. It looks even better.

The performance numbers are the same. Aston Martin has been killing themselves for 25 years, trying to make cars as desirable as Ferrari. Their numbers are similar. No one wants the cars because Ferrari has this mystique, which in my mind has taken a massive hit if this car does come to market, which it seems like they're serious. For better work.

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They didn't need to do this for any regulatory reason. Yeah, I mean, Ferrari is probably worried about falling behind on a global level in terms of its brand. But it does absolutely astonish me when we are looking at other automakers. The fact that Lamborghini was going to do this and then bailed. because of consumer interest. And we've seen Pinn and Farina, and we've seen RIMAC, and we've seen other companies, including Ferrari's own SF90s, which are trading at half of sticker.

You know, that's another thing that hasn't been discussed here, but this is a different era of Ferrari in a lot of ways, and we're already starting to kind of go down that path, where Ferrari is no longer the brand than it once was, making one less car than the market demands, because, you know, you're seeing resale values tank. You're seeing 12 cylinders on the market right now selling for under MSRP, cars that have 75 miles on it.

And this ain't the Ferrari of your. And I think that they're worried that their brand won't be as accepted globally. A four-door car, an electric car is going to get them into some of these markets. But it certainly is not going to carry them any favor in any place where Ferrari is an established and desirable brand. And I don't think this car will serve to make them more desirable in those emerging markets that don't know the Ferrari brand that well either. So I think it's a flop on basically every level. I do think, I don't disagree, to be clear, and then I'm taking a somewhat contrary in view here.

Since Ferrari went public, they had a huge run-up 2022 to 2025, more or less in their stock price. It has been coming down for the last year plus. And the last year, it's down 32%. Yes, it's down again today, today's Tuesday, by about 5%. But in the last five days, it's about flat. Which I'm going to interpret as, the market has kind of realized that Ferrari is in a precarious position

where maybe they're not worth as much as we once thought. I do hope that the Lucey is a little bit of a wake-up call for Ferrari and does reactions a little bit of a wake-up call that they actually do need to go after enthusiasts if they want to retain any of their brand credibility. I don't think that that will do it. I don't think that Froy will truly get a wake-up call until the sales numbers come in.

And because I truly... To be fair, they're down. I truly, they will. I truly think that Ferrari is sitting there, Ferrari, who has always been arrogant about their customers' demands, from the day that Enzo Ferrari told Ferrucio Lamborghini to go build tractors, Ferrari has always been arrogant about this. I think that they're sitting there thinking,

the market is reacting like this, but they don't know, and it's a bunch of internet people, and none of these people are real anyway. And when this car comes out, people are going to see how great it is, and they're going to buy it. I think Ferrari truly is sitting there right now, believing that. I don't think that they're sitting there thinking, like, shaking or nervous about the reaction. I think they're reminded of California and of Puro-Songway, and they're saying we've weathered this stuff before, and we're a Ferrari, and we'll weather it again. And I think that this particular car, I think when we look back,

this car will not have been the beginning of the end. I think that came earlier. But this car certainly was probably the biggest block in terms of pushing them kind of down the road of becoming a brand that is not as revered as it was when we were all growing. This is the first full departure, right? Every other car has had some connective tissue to what made Ferrari Ferrari. Even if they were looking forward, weren't looking in their past, right?

The Peresongway has a V-12. The California has a gray V8. There's something about this departure. The design, the style of all those cars was unmistakably Ferrari. And honestly, people have been complaining about the departure of Pinaferrana since it happened. I don't entirely agree.

I think that Ferrari has always been sort of a futuristic leader-type brand, and they've taken the company in a completely futuristic direction that has been kind of cool and interesting. And until now, and now forever we will have, we will associate, you know, they went to the Apple iPhone guy and got an Apple iPhone car, and this is not the Ferrari that we ever wanted. And it's, and they're sitting, I truly believe they're sitting there right now in Italy saying, these people, that's the whole point. We didn't want the enthusiasts. We want a new group. And I think that they're not going to, as a result, they're going to lose a lot of enthusiasts and they're not going to get the new people. I think that's a fair thing.

But don't worry, they have thousands of deeply considered details that unite to create a singular driving experience. So, we're good. We're going to have to rent one of these on Toronto. There's nobody in the world who's going to lend me one of these. We're going to have to write one of these on Toronto. Unfortunately, that won't be possible because no one on the planet will ever buy this trash. What if it is the greatest?

What if it is the greatest driving experience at all time? Doesn't matter. We get in this car and it's like, you know, it's interesting. I am curious about that how it drives. Like, it's funny because that has not been something that Ferrari has talked that much about. They've talked about the details, the design and the force power. As a 296. I remember when the Kyan came out, one of Porsche's fallbacks was, okay, say what you will,

but this makes the X5 drive like a truck. That was a direct quote from the people at Porsche. And when people drove the original Kyan, they had that opinion, and it really did start to sway public opinion on it. I don't think that's going to happen here. Because we've seen the Pinn and Frina Batista and the Rimacnevera and other high-powered EVs, and we've already had that experience. There's no way that they can make this car drive in a way that makes up for all the other BS. It's not possible.

I am into this big bet, like fundamentally. I think it's cool, but I don't think that it's a good business decision in any way, shape, or form. Yeah, I think I am into it also. They did a poor job of it. If they've done a good job of it, I would be super important. Totally. I think Ferrari, an EV Ferrari, if we're being honest about the future of cars, this is a direction they probably do have to go. There's a lot of different things you could say about timing and all that, but I think this is probably a future reality.

Doing it at this time with this car that looks like this, with these numbers at this price point is just laughable. The Honda Prelude is off the hook. We have a new worst automotive decision of the last 10 years in our, in our world here. With that, should we return to the regular podcast? Let's go back to it. Goodbye, everybody. Goodbye.

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You're watching this, we recorded this weeks ago. Nothing that we say on this podcast we still believe. That's, yeah. No, but because we record it weeks ago, unfortunately, we have to skip our most sumptuous segment, the news. Sumptuous. That's an interesting. The adjective for that one, okay.

And so we're going to move directly, because the news has happened, but we can't report on it because we don't know the news this week. Right. So, we're going to instead move on to the talk cars segment right away. And there's a lot of talk cars. I have saved a lot of talk cars for this example. exact podcast to talk through a lot of different car things since we don't have to discuss. Start us off. Start us off strong. Okay. I will start us off strong. You know what? Let's just start with the most

important thing in the day, which is kind of news to an extent. Sean and I received an email the other day. A couple of weeks ago on our podcast, I made a big thing about how I was still looking for two Colorado license plates to complete my set of one from every county in Colorado. One of these denim license plates. They were blue. They were only made from 1992 to 1999. And I've been looking for 25 years. I've been trying to complete this. This is not an exaggeration. I've been trying to

for 25 years. And I'm down to two counties. And I jokingly said, I didn't think anybody out there, I said I'd give a thousand bucks to anybody who can get me one of the remaining two counties. And I gave him Sean's email. Sure. That's S-E-A-N

at www.com. So we got email from a guy. Do you want to pull it up? We got an email from a guy named Curtis in Salt Lake City and he said, Dear Doug, dear Sean, I have a plate Doug's looking for you. My wife was a dental hygiene student at Colorado Northwestern Community College, 1998 to 2000 in Rangely, Colorado, just one of the small towns there. We registered our 1995, Subaru Legacy sedan in Rio Blanco County while we were in school. We moved back. I kept the plate and he asked if I wanted it to have it. 25 years I've been looking for this. That is so nice.

That is so generous. I gave him a thousand bucks. You should you show him? You're good. I'm glad you're a man of your work. But, look, Felipe, aren't. Now, the last county left is mineral. We're not going to find that by the same way, unfortunately.

We may. No, we won't. But Curtis came through for us, unbelievable. Are you thrilled? I'm thrilled. I didn't realize you've been looking for 25 years. Some people turn 13 and have hobbies. I don't know what those hobbies are, but they have hobbies.

Doug turned 13 and starts looking for license plates. I'll tell you what happened. I'm going to make it very clear. When I was a kid, when I was 11 years old, Colorado stopped producing license plates that showed what county the car was from. When I was 11 years old, I consider it to be the worst moment of my life. Okay, is January 1, 2000. Right.

The dawn of the millennium and they ruined everything. So because there were no more counties on the license plates, I made it my life's goal to get all of the counties. And they had green plates and they had blue plates. And the green ones that were standard, they were easier to find. These cost $50 extra. So what Curtis didn't tell us here is that he actually spent $50 extra to have this plate. Wow.

Back in that era. And so, yeah, that was what I, as a child, that's all I wanted. I wanted to capture the license plates of my youth. See, Kenan wants the cars from when he was a kid that are the most... I only want the license plates. That's where we differ. I'm not even caught... Like, I grew up in Colorado.

I haven't even been to Colorado in like seven years. I'm not interested in Colorado at all. But you have been to every county. I've been to every county in Colorado, including beautiful Rio Blanco County, which is in the northwest part of the state where they find dinosaur fossils. That's very cool.

And they have denim license or had... And have a white river. Uh, yeah, there you go. Rio Blanco. Can't believe it. Truly changed my life. Curtis, thank you so much. If you're out there and you find the mineral,

$1,000 for you. Okay. You're going to look? No. I've got flight for you. You'll never find it, so don't want to be honest with you, I have never once my whole life cared about license plates. Until you came into my life and now that's all I see when I look at car.

Ohio, by the way, still does, puts counties on the license plates. And in fact, is one of my hero states because they were going away from the whole county thing. They switched from the county name being rich. written on the license plate to little numbers that you had to memorize. And they since went back to writing the county name. They've actually gone forward in, I think all license plates in all places should have. But it looks terrible. The way they do it is like it looks bad.

It looks like it's just like it looks like someone used a label maker and printed out. It looks really horrible. The Ohio plates in general look bad now because they're all flat now. Also, to be clear with the small county numbers, like it did say on there. But like, you really had to know. But hey, you know, I saw, I knew Summit County. I think it was 55. I can't remember where it was.

So that's the problem. That's the problem. It's been a long time. I don't live there anymore. Speaking of license plates. Yeah. Yesterday, this week past again, I was up, like,

by Big Bear-ish. Yeah. And so I was on the 15 a lot. There's a lot of new cars up there and on highways. I spent the entire time looking for a new format, California. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Still have not seen one. No, they only issued 250 of them in some northern California county as like a test.

It's surely they're running out of nine Ys. They're going to end up going to 9 Z and do the whole. whole thing. Sorry. You're not going to see the new format. They're going to do 90s. Although I have, yeah, although I have the first new format, don't forget. I haven't seen it.

Have you seen it? Have I seen the first new format? I thought it had didn't come in. No, I possess it. I've had it for years. It's literally I have a picture of it, me holding it. Sean has posted on this podcast. I can't believe we start off with the most boring subject of all.

Your decision. I want to move on to the best talk cars the whole time. This is generally, a general talk car. Yeah. The Toyota Sienna pulling out the site. Have you seen this video? I have not. As if having a cyber truck at this point wasn't even more embarrassing, wasn't incredibly

embarrassing. I want to take you through the levels of embarrassment of this video. See 70, it parked behind it. Pause here. Pause here. So we start with this, the stuck cyber truck. Obviously embarrassing since this vehicle was touted as it can do anything and go anywhere and do anything.

In addition, the cyber truck in general has kind of gotten embarrassed. We all agree. Like you see him around, you're like, oh, well, that was last year's fashion accessory. Okay, so we start there. We're at the beginning of embarrassment. Then the camera moves, right? And we see it's being pulled by something, right? And there's something that it's being pulled by is go back to the start before.

Is a Sienna? Now pause here, pause here, pause here. Go back a little bit, actually. The next embarrassing layer is that it's being pulled by a Sienna. And this Sienna is so weak that it doesn't even have a tow hitch. They've got this strap hooked up somewhere to like a child safety test. I think it's to the left. The cyber truck is such a pathetic vehicle

that it's getting pulled out not only by a minivan, but a minivan without even the capability of towing. Hey, it's a hybrid, okay? Okay, and then you see, it's some... I don't want to be sexist on this podcast, but you assumed it was going to be some burly dude who's like, I rescue people. Like Matt's off-road recovery, you see on YouTube.

But no, it's a woman. It's like she's just... And then also, to me, the most amazing... The embarrassing thing is they've all decided to go to the kind of beach where people go with... In a C-70. You think that's a C-7? Yeah, 100%. With a blue top?

Yeah, it's a C-70. It's an aftermarket blue top. You think I would be wrong about what kind of Volvo is part in the background of the shot? The point is, if the cyber truck wasn't already an embarrassment, boy, this video really drives it home, doesn't it? They end up in that. There's so many layers to the video. It's really hard to pull them all apart, but I'm glad that you've given the play-by-play here. It's so bad.

Well, also, he ran over. Like, I don't know where the guy was going. They weren't even capable of steering into those things. Right. That is so... A Toyota Cyanna. A Toyota and four, five bystanders. A Toyota Ciena.

And it's still kind of not out all the way at the end there. That is Cybertruck ownership in 2027. I look at him now and I'm like, and now that I've seen this video, I'm like, oh. Yikes. Like, it doesn't, it can't tow. It's a four-cylinder hybrid. Yeah. They're pulling out a cyber truck.

Remember Elon Musk said it would be, it would save us from the apocalypse. Hey, is that an all-wheel drive, Sienna? Go, go for you. Yeah, I know. I know that you specifically have a way to know. Yeah, that's a, well, it's not a platinum. I don't know, actually. I think it is an all-wheel drive.

Doug and I have discovered a lot of extensive research that the platinum Sienna has two different wheel design. Yeah, the bigger wheel is for the two-wheel drive. But you cannot tell which is which. I can tell instantly. This is the small wheel, but it isn't a platinum. regardless, it's probably a four-wheel drive. But like, does it matter? I mean, this is the most embarrassing thing

I've ever seen in my entire life. Yeah, that's tough. I wonder how quick... Do you think the guy sold this time? Is this Carmel? It has to be. I think this is the beach at Carmel. Yeah, I think this is the beach and Carmel.

Right at the end of Panorama Drive, yeah. That's even more embarrassing. Imagine driving one of these around picturesque, serene, quiet Carmel. I have someone yelled with him go back to the bay. So true We can see both the wheels articulating and everything

What did you think when you saw this video for the first time? It was just now. Really? I don't figure out how they got in that situation at all. Well, they got in this situation because they thought the cyber truck

could off road. And it does have like all-terrain tires, does it not? Honestly, they're so dug out here if they just took the air down, they would have gotten out. But they don't know that because they have a cyber truck and they have no capacity

for understanding how to operate it in any situatingable manner. Yeah. That's so true. Cybertruck getting pulled out by a CNN. Ken, what are your thoughts when you see a cyber truck these days on the road? You know, I just kind of ignore it. Like, I don't give people the satisfaction.

If you have one at this point, like, it just says a lot, you know. I do kind of get annoyed when passenger of mine go, look, it's a dumpster on wheels. It's like, yeah, we've already heard that. All the tropes are played out. It's just nothing. The tropes are even boring. The car is obviously boring. The tropes are even boring.

And it feels bad to say that because it's like, it's like, okay, you're really kicking. We know. We get it. It's an unspoken thing at this stage. Right. The fact that that article I read that said that 20% of cyber new cyber trucks were sold to one of Elon's own companies is just kind of. That and this picture just kind of sum up everything. Also 40% year over your drop.

40% drop. It's 25. It's 24. I mean, Ford has the ability to just cancel. the lightning and absorb those costs. Tesla put actual company behind this ridiculous vehicle. They're canceling their SUV, they're canceling their

sedan, but at least they got the dumpster on wheels, am I right? Okay, we have to move on to our next Talk Cars story. Filippa, why don't you give it to us? Yeah, all right, we have an event coming up that I will personally be at, and I would

like for you all to come to. Okay, where is it? All right, this event's going to be at the Lars Anderson Museum, right outside Boston. Oh, awesome. Great, great folks there. We're gonna be on the East Coast. We're gonna have something like 400 cars there,

which is gonna be our largest ever event, at the largest end of the meetup. If you go to the events page, we'll have a link in the bio too. You can get a ticket to free ticket, but we need to kind of track that you're gonna be there to know how many cool cars we'll have. Tell Jeff to go.

So you don't have to register? You do have to register. There'll be a link. Oh, got it, but it's free. But it's free to go. What kind of cars are registering? Who's there? Who's coming?

I'll be there. It's a month away. There must be some people registering already. Who's coming? There's all kinds of people. We're recording this two part in advance van. I can't tell you the best cars. Anybody with an Accura ADX coming? I hope that they come with their other car.

Whatever it is. Whatever it may be. I hope they bring a different one. Lars is interesting because you can park like up top of those little parking lot down below. They can get a lot of cars there. And I will be selecting the cards that are in the premiere. Oh, God. Never mind. Don't go to this. Oh, man. It's going to be.

If you got a base automatic C-7, show up. He's going to park. 14 of them in a row. We got every color, guys. First of all, they call it Stingray. No, it's going to be all Porteous. It's going to be indistinguishable from any other automotive event. It's going to be all 9-9-7.

Brookline and Massachusetts in general has some cars that I'm into. If you have a manual C-70 first-gen, which exists. Hey, y'all. It's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder, what if? Like, what if it doesn't hold up? That sofa was four days old. You should have ordered from Wayfair. With Wayfair, there's no what-if.

Just style you love and quality you can trust. Visit wayfair.ca. Wayfair, every style, every home. Come me off. Yeah, I'll select that. Yeah. So, Jeff, don't bring the 575. Luke, leave the M5 at home.

You're talking about a coupé. Yeah, of course. There'll be legitimately a lot of really, really cool cars. Make sure you register. This is June 27. If you're not going to it, who even are you? Right. You should go.

Lars Anderson is such a great person. I wish I could. I would absolutely. What are you doing June 27? I'm, I got things. I don't need to go. Go see the cars. We'll have a lot of people

about cars. I'm like a dead serious to ask you a question. Dead serious. Yeah. What car would you dream would show up? Like you're sitting there doing the pointing, you know? Because that's like his dream already.

To be able to control, just move cars and control. Exactly. The only way it can get better is if that he, just let me do it. That is the only way. That is the only way. That is it.

Say it to someone. Yeah. I would love a TZ3. A TZ3. The Viper version? Yeah. That's not, you're not into those. Admit to how are you not into this?

Admit that what you want to show up. It's an Asuna Sunriner. I see. Yeah. If you have an Asuna Sunruder with, there's actually an Asuna Sunruder, not a geotracker, I will accept it. Can you pull up an Asuna sunriner for us? I want to leave a Asu and the U has two dots over it, okay? We call it an umlaut.

Oomlaut. Okay, but I don't think you need it. It is a geotracker. Excuse me. Excuse me. It is a geo-tracker. This is an Asuna Sunr Runner. GT. I can't believe that you would say, that you would denigrate the Asuna Sunr Runner. Sean's sitting over here like, where is this going? I'm wondering the same. How are we only 15 minutes in and we're on the Asuna Sunrunner?

How did it take us this long to get here? Kenan, are you wondering what the hell this is? I know what the tracker is. That's what this is. I'm dead serious. Okay, I'm going to tell this is a short story of the Asuna Thune. Boys at a short story. Have you heard the Asuna brand? Not until today? There were a few Asunas. Were there?

Yeah. Okay. Here's what happened. Canada generally prefers smaller cars in the U.S. In general, Canada is a little bit more towards the European side of like littler cars. And so General Motors sensed that, and they decided that they would create a brand for Canada, only small cars, but they would call it Asuna and give it sort of a European flair, even though it was actually American cars re-badged from Japanese because this started life as a Suzuki.

And they tried to trick the Canadians. And the Canadians are savvy people. Alex Trebek. You can't fool that Alex Trebek have a Suzuna Sunfire? No, he didn't. Asuna Sunfire? He didn't have an Asuna Sunfire because he knew point blank that this was an embarrassing attempt to trick

him into believing this was some European brand. You got to get up pretty early in the morning to fool me there, bud. Yep. I have an important question for you. What was the Asuna Sunfire? Sunfire? No. Paniac GT. The Zuzu impulse. Pull up the Asuna Sunfire. I don't believe it. That was the Geostorm. The Sunfire. No, the impulse was the... I mean, I wasn't a question. Look at that. Yeah, click on that. Rebed Jizu Zuzu impulse. There's one. These are all just a Zuzu.

Oh yeah, Asuna. There it is. No, there was one that wasn't. With the Oomlaut, baby. What do you think the Asuna S-E or the G-T, depending on... I think that was the Paniac, I don't remember, Lamans. Yes. That little Korean-made Pontiac Lamans? This was a horrible situation, and I'm so sorry that all of you have had to deal with it. Fascinating. Anyway.

So, Felipe, you're going to be at Lars Anderson. Thanks for getting us back on track. We don't have the news. We've got to get deep. We're getting deep today. Come check it out. Come see ahead of myself and a bunch of our team members, as you like to say. And bring your cool car to the Lars Anderson.

So here's what I suggest. First off, he said, come say hi to myself. So when you walk up to the Lars Anderson, walk up to people and say, hi, myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then walk up to the other cars and bids people and say, hi, team member. What's your name? Are you part of the team?

I would love that. How many cars you expect? So nice thing. We have space. We're going to cap it at 400. 400 cars? Yeah, it's going to be our largest ever, like, event that we've seen. So if you're number 401, tough luck.

Too bad. Do you think a Ferrari 400 is going to come? Oh, I hope so. There was a 550, which we sold on cars and bids actually later on. Really? Yeah, there's real stuff that shows up. I think it wasn't a funer when I was in. If you're 4001, I'm so sorry, I will have to kick out the Sunrath Sunrunner for you.

If the As soon as Sunr Runner shows up, you better take it. I hope the entire Assoon a Sunrunner Club, which other isn't one. But I'm sure if there were one, they would show. I think there's two guys in Calgary. The car was federalized. But do you think that Asuna will provide a substantively similar letter? I think that it's been 25 years. I think we've already got that figured out.

That's all passed. Good point. You think any have survived Canada and New England? It's quite a combination. No. There are none of these that have survived anywhere. Yeah. Okay, Lars Anderson, Filippo, thank you so much for promoting something.

I love to hear that. I did it really well today, too. He's going to promote this on every pod for the next month, people. Get ready. Get ready, indeed. Honestly, actually, I've sad news. I'm not on many podcasts in the next month. Because you're going to Italy.

I'm going to Italy. But he's going to still promote the hell out of it. Folks, come to the Lars Anderson Museum just to put him out of his misery. Just to be like, Felipe, I did it. To be clear, don't kill him. Yeah. Okay. I hear he paints houses.

Tell us about the 355 Revoluto. Oh, yes. So recently, we've talked about this car before. Yeah. Now, the 355 Revoluto has been, man, it doesn't even... Revolutionary War. Oh, wow. Oh, 55.

Evoluto, yeah. The 355 Evoluto. The 355 Evoluto. Now, I have two things that, one... What is it? Tell us what it is. So, this is a 355 Restomah that is created by this, I believe it's an English company. Ian Callum re-did the...

Ever since Singer happened, there have been all these companies that have popped up to... Turn the word singer into a verb. Right. They've singer-eised, blah, blah, blah. Blah Blah Blah. They've tried to make RestoMod new but old versions of, now it's like dozens of different cars. In fact, I have an entire list on my phone dedicated to Porsche because there's so many companies that do it pop up every day where they take some air-cooled 9-11, do some vague modifications

to it and charge $750,000 for it, and people pay it. I will say, the more of these that pop up, the more I realize how hard it is to do what Singer does. Yes. To do it well. To do it well. Because my criticism of this, now, I have a couple things say. The only one I had ever seen, and I saw it in person at Car Week, was the blue one. Blue one.

Which is the one they did as the press image. But then I went to Motor Miami this year, and I saw the red one. And I wonder if they're not the same car. Just painted. Okay, but regardless of that, regardless of that, they're singularizing a 355. It sounds like a perfect situation. That car had a lot of problems. You make it reliable.

You know, yes, it did have a lot of problems. You're right. And they solved a couple of them. They didn't. So they solved, like, they changed the wiring harness. I think the engine does come out more easily. But I asked the engineers, it's like, did you guys, you know, the car is no, you know. The engine doesn't have to come out anymore.

So that's the thing. So that's the thing. I asked the engineers, I said, so did you guys consider a chain drive system or something like that? So you don't have to take the engine out. Because other than catching on fire, that is one of the big issues it's known for. And they're like, all we looked into it now is just too expensive. But we read did the design. And I'm like, well, look, in my view, now I've been driven one in fairness.

But in my view, there are two things a 355 has to do. It has to look good and that's to sound good. And they screwed with the way it looks. And I think they did a poor job as best. I actually like how it looks, but I think the regular 355 looks so good. I don't think they've improved it for sure. No, they took the logo off of the hook, which is weird. They don't want to get sued by Ferrari.

But they kept the Ferrari logo. I'm sure Ferrari is still going to, if they haven't already. I don't think it looks bad. I think it looks terrible. Especially from the rear, I think it looks pretty cool. I think that adding the little strakes back there like a like a, like a, F40 is pretty neat. The F40, you mean,

oh, yeah, the 28GTO. Yeah, and like the rear lights, I think is cool. I don't think they've improved on the look of a 355. But I do think the key to rest to sing-orizing a 355 is to change the stuff that was bad. Was bad. Yeah, and the style was not. The style was one of the things that did better than anything else.

You want to sing-or-ize a 35, well, you leave it looking exactly like it is. You just make it reliable. Yeah, because if it could be reliable, which I'll probably keep. Maybe they thought, you know, it can't be real life. I think that's exactly what they thought. They thought, we can't actually make this good. No one can improve it. So you have to provide them with a 355, and then they charge it.

I think it's like half a million dollars to do this, which is a tough sell. Yeah. Go to that interior photo. But it's a carpet body. The interior, so I look. It looks okay. So they put a spot in here for you to put your phone, which is kind of cool. But then there's no, like, I can't zoom in because thanks, Google.

But there's no, there's no wire. So it doesn't like charge or anything. It's just sitting there. So if your battery starts to go down as you're using your mouse, which famously consumes a lot of power, oh, that's tough. So at least there's some Italian flair to it still.

But the other thing is the gauges, you know, they famously are showing 20 miles an hour and, like, still does that. Didn't change that. So it's like they still left some of the stuff. Like, I just... They just wrapped it all in nice looking. I just think they missed the point.

You know, it's ironic because Singer is known for this, but I had an old defender. And there's a... I think that this all got started in the Land Rover community. I will agree with you. I don't disagree. There are all these companies

that are trying to put lipstick on an old defender and it never works and there are these rich guys who can't handle a real old defender who think that if they spend 300 grand it'll make it good and they quickly discover that no, it's just a defender with leather seats. It still ain't good and that's the situation.

Unless you put an LS1 in it and then it's still mediocre but at least reliable. I think those cars still have problems though. I think those guys still have issues. You've got an aftermarket LS1 and it's dealing with all this electronics and it just, it's the same situation. So why is this coming up now? So because it really made the rounds

with a lot of journalists the other week. And it has been everywhere. They clearly put a lot of effort behind this in marketing the car and things. And the top gear review, which I kept from the video of it was amazing because they had a normal one next to it. And looking at them,

it's like, damn, that looks bad. Did everybody say positive things? Mostly, yes, it seemed that way. I think Farrah was the... I still haven't watched Ferris Review on it. I need to, but he also had two because he could drive them back to back. The first guy on Topgar when they did this,

he admitted he'd never driven one, and then it was driving this, and it's like, okay, well, then your input's not valuable. One thing that's interesting about journalists driving cars like this is that, like, of course they like it. It gives them an opportunity to be in something analog. A lot of these people have never spent time in analog cars.

And so it's like, oh, my God, this is analog. It's so cool. Well, that's all cars were at one point. Well, that was the whole point, because I had a long conversation with this engineer, and our friends stood around as I just grilled this guy, because I owned one of these cars, and it's one of my favorite cars.

And at the end, he said, you know, we build this car to be an analog driving experience that you can go out and really enjoy and rev the engine and row through your own gears. And I said, so like the original, he went, exactly. Yeah. You know, I think I would just get an original and service it really well and keep the other. It's safe 700 Gs.

Yeah, exactly. I don't disagree. But I also just don't think Ferraris are akin to the singerized thing. I think the Ferrari market is a lot more about preservation. Like, that's what people value. I think in the end, a lot of people look at this is just a modified 355. Maybe. I think that doing it well with a 550 would be cool.

because that's a soft car and I think that if you could make that car kind of cool I wouldn't mess with much on the exterior I actually like the idea of LED tails in the circles I think that does modernize it a little bit too big the whole point of the car is not

you don't need a modern experience if you improve the driving experience to make it feel more like a modern car that's what I would do with the 550 I just wouldn't screw with the way it looks you know what I would do 550 with some new suspension wow that's that's doable that's all that's it that's doable

That's pretty doable. I think we could make that happen. Okay, I want to move on to our next conversation, which is my 4GT color swap. All right, you texted about this. Where's this coming from? Kenan, what do you think about this idea? So here's my thought. Yeah, 4GT.

Pull up the, we've sold the white one. Pull up that one. About four days ago, I saw 4GT on the street. Yours? No, someone. Some guy is red. Okay. And it hit me that I still prefer the lighter colors.

Specifically, you prefer the white. And personally, I have always, the Career GT, I now firmly believe that silver is the best color for that car, and I have zero regrets. The Kuntash, I think white, which a lot of people agree with. But this car, I've never fallen in love. The 993 Arena Red, this car I've never fallen in love with my dark blue. I can't believe. Blue with white stripes. I just don't like a dark color.

It hides the lines, and the lines are cool. And the dark blue with white stripes cars are now selling for like $100,000 premium over. white. Really? Why? Yeah. Because it's like the shell, like the old colors, like the Shelby colors, the American car racing colors, the Viper GTS, the Shelby Daytonas, the Shelby Covert, you know. And to be honest, it's the Jeremy Clarkson. It's the German Clark.

It was on top. It was one of the press colors. There's a lot of that. There's a lot of that kind of hype. But I'm honestly and truly starting to wonder if I should sell my car for what I think is about a half million, a 45,000 miles, and buy a low mile white car. For the same price.

I honestly, I know it's not as by enthusiasts and collectors and all that, I just like it better. And at some point, isn't that the only thing that really is going to repainted? Yeah, let me repain. The transaction costs will. Transaction costs won't be there for sure.

No. But if you want to go, I mean, restart the clock at 10,000 miles, so I get to go, I mean, the car's been bulletproof reliable. I don't have to do anything to it, but it'd be nice to restart the clock. I guess. Go through those same 10 to 35,000 miles again, or

45,000 miles again. This is like, you know, you live in your house for a long time, and then you look at your neighbor's house. It's like, yeah, I always preferred their color. And then you swap houses with your name. It just seems like an insane move to get rid of it to get the same car just in a different color. I love the car. I still love the car. I still drive it the most. I just have never, I have had that car now for coming up on eight years. And I have never loved the color, ever. Can I have so shocked to ask you a question? I don't see you drive the Ford Dutche that often. You claim to a lot. Well, actually, you know what? He sends a picture of him driving into tennis.

I often drive it to places I wouldn't. So the reason that you don't see it in the office that much is because I can get away with bringing the career GD and the Kuntash for the office. It's a really protected environment. Often, but yeah. Well, if I'm going to pick up the kids or something, I'm 9 and 3, but the 4 GT, I'll drive.

Like, I drive the 4GT, you have to get a tennis at least two days a week. Got it. The grocery store. Like, I'll do the 4GT. Solid 5 miles a week. Got it. You got to have, it makes so much sense.

You have to still have one. I understand what you're saying. Like, it is such a usable supercar. I love the car. I love the car. I do drive it the most. From a mileage number, like number of miles. I take it to Palm Springs when I'm filming a video out there.

We drove it to, well, that's 400, 500 miles round trip. What do you ever do that? Once a year, yes. Twice a year, maybe. All right, yeah. That's real. You know how many 4GT owners are doing that? No, zero.

But I guess I'm wondering whether you would just consider, maybe it's time for a different experience. There is no other car. There is no other car. There is no other car at $500,000 that I prefer. None, not one. It's also like, just, like, we've had this discussion many times, but think about, like, what experience would replace that in the garage that would make sense. It's like there's nothing that is as I call.

There is no other car. Oh, I think it's patently insane to sell a car to get one of the different, same car different color. Well, but there are some nice benefits to it. Resetting the mileage clock's a big deal. If I could sell it for 500 and buy another car for 500 and start again at 10,000 miles, that's a pretty cool trade. But also, yeah, but also it actively will. So your theory is that the values will continue to rise and as you put miles on it won't matter. Is that the idea? Because I would think it would take a hit.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but at this value level, yeah, I think they will continue to rise, but I'm not as, I'm not as obsessive about this car rising. Do you know what I'm saying? I don't think it'll ever be a $5 million car. And so going from $5 to $5.50 versus the other car going from $5 to $5.80. It's not. Right. If you bought one with $10,000 miles, I guess with $10,000, you don't have to carry this much.

If it were like a four-mile car, then you'd probably want to do that. And actually, I can't make that trade. The white cars with really low miles sell for more. But I think a white car with 12,000, 10, 12,000 miles, I would still want no McIntosh. Honestly, I prefer the base wheels, too. I know you do. I was that the David Lee thing, and there was one with the BBSs and one with the basewheels next one. I'm like, got it.

I can't believe you'd ever like the base wheel. The concept car had the base wheels. And the base wheels look more like old school muscle car wheels. This car has the base wheel. They just look more like old school muscle car wheels to me. They're more correct for the car. The Ford GT, which is kind of a brute car, shouldn't have BBSs. It's just wrong.

You know, mentally it's just wrong. Yeah, but that looks right. It does. There's a reason they were popular. Yeah. And on the used market, base wheels sell for two grand. Oh, it's set. And BBSs sell for $25,000.

The market speaks loudly on that one. Okay, but fair enough. I don't know. I have come to appreciate your Ford. I think you've always loved the Ford. You think it'd be crazy to do this? Yes. I think it's insane.

Why? Well, what about, couldn't you wrap the car and change the color? Yeah, but I actually think that financially, it may actually be cheaper to do what I'm talking about, and I would start the mileage clock over. Well, what's a new full-color wrap, and I'd have to wrap the stripes? Can I ask you a real general question? Do you think that it would feel, like, I think for a lot of people, the experiences that you've had in the car, what makes it? Oh, yeah, I don't have any of that.

Okay, I thought not. No, that's one thing. Most car enthusiasts are... Here, yeah, there's so... To be clear. You think those wheels are better. You think that color combination is better. You also think that you're not sentimental about color at all.

I don't think that the, thinking that the color combo is better is actually that contrarian. I think that most people would agree that showing the lines is cooler. I think that the blue white is more valuable for two reasons. Number one, because of the historic American racing color thing, and number two, because it's rarer. But I don't necessarily think that, I think a lot of people would agree with me. Showing off the lines is cool. Red is the most popular color. There were a lot of people who wanted to show off the lines.

lines in red, and it's therefore the cheapest. I do like the white with blue stripes. You would not be able to say that you've had it for eight years. I've had four GT for eight. I've had two four GTs, eight years. I think it's insane because there's transaction. It's like moving down the block to like a slightly different house because you want a 10 square foot larger yard.

Let's blow your mind here. Let's pretend there weren't any transaction costs. Let's just pretend there were none. Not that I'm advocating, doing anything illicit. Well, no, there's still some transaction cars. There's time, there's maintenance you to put it in to get it up to your standards. There's some amount of time and energy and money, even if it's not substantial. There's real value in taking a 45,000 mile odometer, though, and bring it back to 10,000 miles.

Assuming that 10,000 mile car has been maintained the way you would want to be. But it has. These cars have all been maintained well. Yeah. Well, I mean, if someone's out there. In general, my approach is, if it makes you happy, you should do that. I also just don't see, I mean, other than the car, the mileage thing I think is kind of a moot point. I don't see what benefit you personally gain from driving one with lower miles.

Oh, just that it restart. There's stuff that has worn and is wearing. The seats are wearing, et cetera. I get it all back to the beginning. Maybe having noodles sit in it without any car cover on has something to do with that. I don't know with the seats? But I think that there's generally stuff in the car that is worn, that is wearing, that you start a clock on 10,000 mile car again.

You come back with the bill at A-arms again, which I had to lose because my grommets wore off and things like that. Sure, but, you know, rubber components, the time. out over that period of time as well. I don't have Camillo's signature on and I can hunt him down again. I'm sure, well, if you park it anywhere near him, I love Camillo. I don't think it's, I mean, I think it's insane, but if it makes you happy, you should do it. If you have a white blue and you want to trade for a blue white with three or four X

miles, well, I think people would make the, I think if I did the whole thing, I could come out net zero. I think it would take me three months. Yeah. It would be a lot of work. I'd have to list mine, sell it. That's my point. I would probably want to buy a white one first to make sure that I actually had the white one before I sold the blue one.

Because I can't be Ford GTLess. Can't be Ford GTLis. You understand. I obviously, yeah. Oh, we're both four GTLUS over here every day. I think I should do this? Okay, S-E-A-N at Cars and Bids.com. If you got a white blue and you want to trade it for a blue white, let's have a conversation.

My car's perfect. It's a two-owner car. It's perfect. Always been in Southern California. Took one road trip to Utah. I do think it would be sad to lose the color in your garage. All your cars are white or. silver. That's true. Except for the 993.

I got a 993 and another one of my talk cars segments today. Oh my God, is it happening? Yeah, I'm just going to say it. You're going to roll with it. We're finding some of the cars that I had announced I was looking for. We're finding some of the cars. Some of them might also be silver. We don't know.

I've been looking for an E-55 station wagon, a 2000 or 2001 E-55 station wagon. Rami, my God. No, we got that one. Wow. But it's a 99. It's a shame you don't remember this. It's a shame. Rami, my automotive god,

inbound motorsports Rami. We have found one. Wow. We have purchased it. Whoa. It's in Holland. Whoa, you purchased it? It happened?

You know it as the Netherlands. I do. But I know it as a tunnel. Oh, geez. That's a horrible joke. Thank you. We got one of these. This isn't it.

Mine's not a 99. I can't take these rocker panels. This is such a questionable podcast this week. And we're going to install a third row because it doesn't have one, but we bought a third row that's coming in the mail. If Nick Rochon can do it. We found another one of the cars I was looking for. I don't think we should announce that one.

We should announce that one. We found another one of the cars I was looking for. Now, unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to tell all of you about these things until August because I'm personally not going to actually see the cars until then. So we're going to see them before you do. Absolutely, you will. And you can give me your thoughts. Oh, I will.

Ken, I don't like any of my cars. It's not true. 3.55 is cool. I don't get it, but I don't know why you need it in your life. I need a third row. Right, yeah, you don't have any. I need a third row. Are you not worried?

Are you legitimately not worried that without the 4GT, like too many of your cars will be white. If the 4GT becomes white, are you not whether that's too much white. I think that some of the cars that I have purchased in this are not, no, no, obviously, I'm aware. But it's still not that much color. Yeah, it's disappointing.

It's disappointing. I don't like red on the 4G. If only two of your eight cars have a color that's not white or silver, that's not enough. There is something to that. So the 4GT is helping you get to 3A. I agree.

It's nice. It's going to be up to me to get a car. You can't complain, though, about the Kuntash being white. That's not like one of those, like, oh, we didn't get in a color. No, that's the correct color. Kutosh is white white.

That's like a Kuntas. You know what I mean? Like, that's it. That's correct. That's like how it's done. And I am glad in retrospect that the Sequoia is white, Because I was next to a black Tierty Pro Sequoia, and the camo shows way more.

It does. By the way, it's ice cap. That's the color. Anyway, the point is we're finding some cars. Okay. I'm excited for you. And we're going to do a 4GT color. You're going to have three new vehicles, maybe more.

No, I'm not doing the 4GT is my guess. Yeah, I don't actually have. I think that's awesome. But I do sit in my garage and I look at it and I think, Why, if I don't like the color of this car, do I not just, it's worth way more? Why don't I just do the easy thing? That's a reasonable point. You could make it the color that you want.

It's silly to not like the color. I agree with you. You don't agree with that. I think that it is important to buy, as someone who didn't buy the car and the car that he wanted to. Yeah, the 3555 and your M5. And my M5, that's two. Now, yeah, because I wanted a Rosa Corso, and when I bought this car, it looked like Rosacorcausson. so I didn't even think to ask that it's such a common color.

Your point is that I should do it. I think you should have done it originally. It just gotten the right color back then. That's definitely a mistake. The problem I had was I couldn't really afford a 4 to 4GT when I bought it. Or I could barely. So I had to buy a high mileage car and they're just no high-outish cars. There aren't any, yeah.

And at the time, there wasn't really a price delta for the colors, the heritage room with more. But otherwise, there wasn't really a price change for the colors. And over time, the blue has really risen and the yellow was fallen. to the point where I can get away with this now. It'd be like driving a new 4GT again, a new old 4GT. I just feel so ambivalent about this for you. Okay, fine.

Fine. Then let's discuss the other big talk cars segment. Canon, tell us about M5 costs. Yes. So recently I put out a video on my car where I damaged it, unfortunately. Yeah, we crashed into a parking brick. I didn't crash it to... Sounds better.

Well, that's not what happens. I know you're a revisionist for history, but that's not what occurred here. And everybody's actually very nice. The car is repaired. I did that through the video. And actually, I was very humble. I was very grateful that so many people reached out. Thank you for all your sympathies.

And a lot of people said, I was stunned. The number of people text me. It's like, I've done that. I've been in the whatever. However, immediately, of course, that might, as you might recall at the beginning of the year, I set out the goal of yet again, not spending more than $2,000 on my M5. Well, this little incident. But that doesn't count.

Is it okay not to count that? I want to make sure with you guys and the rules you're going to set. Well, we have a different opinion about this. Okay. Okay. If it was me, I would have replaced the minimum number of things. If it was my E55 wagon, I would have replaced just enough probably using zip ties. Yeah.

He would have taken the front end from an E320. We'd have been cheaper. So the question, I think, is how far beyond what you had to do did you do? That's when it starts to count against me. I like that. Yeah, I like that. Well, the bumper was splitting the hat. We can agree that I need to replace.

Need a bumper. So that's $1,000 for that. Fender liners is a different conversation. That's, yeah, but that was the belly pan. I would argue from looking at the photos that the fender liners probably didn't get damaged. Well, the problem was,

the metal on the two barbs on this thing I pulled over where it caught it, it ripped three components at one time in addition to the bumper. So it ripped, it split the tabs off of the brake duct. It ripped the belly pan, which was attached to that, and that also attaches to the fender line

that ripped that off. What could super glue have done for you? Or zip ties. Or zip ties? Not much. Because it ripped off all the mounting points. Let me. Let me rephrase.

What could zip ties have done for me or Felipe? Ask not what you can do for zip ties. Like if I was doing it, keep in mind, I once zip tied a painted front bumper to a body of an Audi A4 that I had. One time I made a throttle cable. Oh, for years. For years. We used a key hook for a throttle cable. We one time my throttle cable snapped and we used a key chain.

Yeah. We drove around for a hole. Well, no. That makes sense. That was that you needed to... I personally would have left it that way. I think Doug considered it. No, he had fixed it properly.

In the end... Well, in the end, I only fixed it properly because I had, like, months where I wasn't with the car, and it was at a mechanic, and I was like, hey, why didn't you just fix this? I would have driven on that keychain forever. Oh, but then, do you remember what also happened? We went to check on the keychain,

holding the throttle cable together. Stretched. And we pulled the hood release and the hood release cable... That was Land Rover on the car ship. That's a quality of it. check on it. So then I had to tell the guy, why don't you fix both these things? So what's the answer? How much of this was discretionary, what was that?

He's going to say zero of that was discretionary. To him, it had to be done. I had to be done. I had to do it. I probably 1,700 out of it was discussed. Of the total. Okay, so you're at 1,700, and then there's more maintenance necessary upcoming. Yes. So I've driven the corner a lot recently, which has been awesome. I mean, it's been, I mean, genuinely, it hasn't given me a single issue. However, I did start to notice there are, like, a couple little things that are starting to creep up.

One is like... Do we think we need to address the little things? Let me rephrase it in a different way. Do we think we need to address the little things? Well, one is a click coming from the front suspension, which I think... So I think that should be addressed. The other... What was the other thing?

Oh, my God. Oh, the exhaust. There's a crack that had formed around one of the welds near the kind of the catalytic converters, and that has since spread around the world, so you can hear it. When I'm, like, when I start the car, it's a lot louder than it once was. I have any... Phil Chong has a exhaust shop welder guy who will take care of that. I take...

No disrespect. No disrespect. Phil, I take my E.39 to one place for service, and that's... I would argue this is part of the problem. No. With the costs. Oh, we've gotten so... No, no. So, that needs to be a welder because I can smell it.

Like, when I come up to a stop, and I'm like, oh, yeah. It's like, oh, that's my car. He's like, oh, that's my car. It's polluting our state. So, exactly. And I don't want to... It's going to be a gross bloomer. Okay, so those are like those things are going to get done.

That's easy. I don't think it's that bad. Really, other than that, it's like, I can't find anything else wrong with that. That's great. So you got like, what, three grand, most, you only have 50% above your budget for the year, five months in. Yeah. You get it well. I don't think it's that bad, but I do think those things should be.

No, it's not that bad. It's not great. You're going to end up another $10,000 a year here. No, no, we're not going to end up another time. I would rather let us get a viper and not have a $10,000 M5 year. I don't think we're going to have a $10,000. I'm five here. Here's what you do.

You get this, you get this Subaru Sambar as a daily. Yeah. It has wood paneling. Like our friend Kevin, daily in the sense that I would drive it once on a day, and that would be my daily. I think it's very cute, but this might be a bit much for me. Okay.

But somebody made the point recently. That's like, Kenan, I think you should get a Macon turbo or this is that as a daily. It's like, I just, I still don't want to do that because I think that while I'm single and, like, and youngish. You should have a four door sedan. I agree. Right. That's exactly the point, though.

My second car that I should buy should be, because I am a little aware of using the M5, like, but I think that having the second car should be a sports car. I should own more sports cars. I still want a viper, and I've found one. But I'm pausing just a little bit, but I have found one that I think is like... Pausing?

Press play. Nice. Well, done. What do you mean? Well, we all want you to get a viper. The whole audience wants you get a viper. That Kuntash Rugg wants you get a viper. We're ready.

It's talking right now. I am going to get one. I just, you'll see. I am going to get one, though. I am hot on the trail of one. I see a note here about an Asthmauna Vinquish. I have to say, car it's going to be after the Vipar already. Was the O2?

You told me they're horrible to own. Yeah, well, I like cars that are bad, though. Yeah, but that car is probably tough. Dude, I'll tell you something, I drove this one, this one. It was so amazing. Yeah, they are unbelievable to drive. That engine, that sonorous V-12, sound that it makes is so good.

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create the best beauty products for all people. Visit lorail.com to learn more. I mean it's a car he wasn't alive when this thing was made. No he took those photos though. He did. You liked it? What about the trans? Would you get us, would you swap it? Well, that's the thing.

It's like I want an S to be clear. I think that because I liked the S a lot more. Yeah, it just screwed up the wheels. There was a big jump in power though. It was a big power jump. It screwed up the wheels. Well, I think if you're going to do it. it, own the one you want, and I want an S.

And I don't think the wheels are. Own the white one. Put a base wheel on? Yeah, put a base wheel on. They just did like DB9 wheels. Go back to the original vanquished wheels meant business. I don't think they're that different. You know, I've just read this thing.

I don't know where I read it. My friend Perry sent to me. That Pierce Brosnan got one of these after die another day. He was given one. Yes. And then he lost it in a garage fire. Correct. But the fire department was able to dig out

The kickplates, and it's out of it was made, you know, for Pierce Brosnan. What that hell? So you retain that, and at the end of the video, he goes, and that's life. Yeah, this would be cool. But I think this is the next go for me. For 3540 is cool as hell. I just think Astin's are such an incredible value. And this is the Aston.

Yeah, this is the one because it's like, this competed with the 575 and I love both of those cars. But honestly, I prefer driving this for a third of product. Even Filippo would like this car. I don't, I've never loved how the vanquish. He doesn't like this. Sorry. Sorry. I wish you liked something, Philippa, other than your 9-11, which I'm glad you like.

I got to tell you guys a story about, I got two stories for you, actually. One is about Freddie. Oh, Freddie Tavar. Ferti Tavarish. We had Hoovie on the pod last week. God, love Hoovie. Love Who. We haven't recorded that pod yet.

I hope it all works. He may not have been on. It's going to be Hoovey and Nick. It's going to be the sane one. It's going to be something to watch. Or it was something to watch. I don't know. I'm just going to have to moderate it.

Jeez. But so anyway, so Hoovie's on the pod. Hoovie's been out here. who he hangs out with us. And I get a text yesterday from Freddie to Varnish, who I'm not going to say he's a chaotic person. I'll let you make that determination. Yeah.

He sends me a text and he says, he says, hey, he says, I'm on a plane to San Diego. You around? And I'm like, Freddie, there was a time when I was 19 where my life worked that way. You could just send me a text and be like, Yo, I'm coming. What's hang?

But like I get kids. I do a lot of kids stuff in the school. We got a lot of videos scheduling to keep here. We got a lot of crew. There's no like, hey, man, let's chill. And I was like, that's not really how it works here. I'm so sorry. I would love to hang, but I just don't have time.

Maybe a little bit more notice. Because I assume he didn't just get on the plane. Right. I assume he had booked the flights some amount of time before. That's an assumption I would not make. If anybody shows up to the airport and buys a ticket from the gate. Freddie. So I said, Fred, I'm so sorry I were missing you. I would love to have you on pot. I said, next time give me more notice. And Freddie goes, how much more notice would you need? Like, he's incredulous that I can't make this happen for him. And I said, Freddie, more notice than I'm on the plane. And he replies, but measured in days, what number would that be? What does your reply? I said, like, give me at least a week. I don't know. Like, that's what people do. Like, if I'm going to see somebody, I don't just call him and say, I'm on the plane. I hope you can.

accommodate McGorham. I'm coming to see you in New York. Are you there? You text beforehand. Have you ever, in any moment since you became an adult, had a situation where you were flying on an airplane to visit someone and you hadn't yet informed them? I don't think his whole purpose was just here to visit you. No, that's, of course. That's true. It was not his whole purpose. I'm sure he has some things to do. I'm sure he has cruises to go on. But that's Freddie Tavar. That's my Tavar. And people who are wondering why we have Hoovie on the pod and not Freddie, who will schedule. us. It's still very difficult. He won't text Sean back. He won't

reply to our emails. I got to text him. It's a disaster. But we kind of narrow it. We get it down. And on the day of the pod, we just sort of roll the dice and hope he walks in at the right time. But Freddie, it's not even that. We can't even get that. Don't you think that he might be in last week's podcast?

Freddy? He might. Show up. Freddie might walk into the Hooby Pod. I have no idea. It's like a beginning of a bad joke Freddie Hoovie and Nick. Freddie Hoovey and Nick. Our market report is brought by Ryan Lopez.

Which is to say, we're going to talk about something completely different. So, I want to talk F90M5. Pull up that. That is tremendously interesting. Yeah, so we recently sold an F90M5 for $29,250. Now, I will say it did have a lot of miles on it and had an accident in its past in modifications. But in my view, this is the floor not enough because this is not an old car. I mean, it's eight years old.

That's the example with high mileage and an accident that's going to hit the floor. Yeah, hit the floor. But, dude, I remember reviewing this when it was a new car at Crevier BMW in Orange County. It's a brand new with a 140 sticker. It was the coolest thing anybody could imagine. The new M5 is here. It was all-wheel drive. It was this amazing.

You could disconnect the all-wheel drive. Remember that? Oh, yeah. Rear-wheel drive. 600 horsepower. I can't believe, like, no car, I think, has made my career feel long to me quite like this. It's like, oh, my God. Like, I've been around long enough to have, like, reviewed and now seen the depreciation on this.

Dude, I know. I mean, when I see, I mean, C-Cars from 2015, that was a long time ago. Yeah. It's, you know, we're getting old, man. But I think unbelievable at these guys are worth that. Unbelievable. Crazy. Especially when you consider it's, what was it?

It was 600, someone crazy. Six hundred horse are, right? Yeah, 600 horse bar. Just an unbelievable, unbelievably fast. 600 is 550 pound feet. A couple of cars that sold for more in the same day. Yeah. A 2015 automatic Chevy SS.

An auto Chevy SS was sold for four grand more. A 2015. So four years older for 12, 13% more. And a tip also. And a tit. And it's selling for, I mean, that tells you how the market, how afraid of these cars the market is. And maybe, maybe rightfully so. I don't really know.

I don't know much about a science. This car. I know. It's a monster. A beast. Yep. And like, people are going to write it. Doug's hype in the market because they're unreliable.

Probably they are unreliable. I don't know. It's $29,000 though. To me, when I see one of these on the road, I'm still like, wow, new M5. It's not even the new M5 anymore. There's a newer M5. I think that's an amazing fine. I think it's an incredible value. I really do. You buy them? No. You can see you a day.

You just had a tip. I did, and I guess what I did. I sold it. You've had more tips this year than I have. You own three. I don't know who you is. I don't own any tips. I don't know who you is. I don't own any tips. What tips I got? Well, you're about to have a fourth.

What? What? Don't reveal anything. Sadie's Ben's, great traditional Mercedes-Benz, unless you're going to manual swap it like crazy Nick, but... I'm not. No, I didn't think you would. But, yeah, unbelievable value here. I just think so cool.

You think about one? Oh, absolutely not, but it is quite a deal. Flip's not an M-5 guy. He never cheered on his life. A lot of the cars in the genre are quite substantial deals. Yeah, they mean the sedan. High-power sedans. Codans and coupes, luxury sedans and sues that are just...

To pull up that M-A-50. Yeah, the M-A-50 we sold. Sean's out here looking for a M-M-2, by that. A-I. If you have a Long Beach Blue M-2 with some miles, maybe it's been hit, maybe it's got some bad wheels on it, no cats. Sean at Cars &Bids.com, S-E-A-N at Cars and Bids.com, that's what he's looking for. He doesn't know it yet, but what he wants to pay, that's what he's looking for.

You agree, right? Yeah. Of course, he's stunking enough with one. I want to know what he ends up with. Well, for the same money as an M-2, you could have this, which surely has a hundred-something-thous-dollar MSRP. Totally. And it's not the athletic. It's not the athlete that the M2 is, but Sean's an appearance guy.

And he would like to ride around in this. Everybody thinks he's rich. Or it looks like a Mustang. And it has every side profile. Looks like a luxury Mustang. That was the best thing about it. Yeah. Has everything.

You can also, if you want to be in the same price point, we sold an S-63. What's the horsepower on this M850? It's serious, I believe. 523, 550 pounds. I'm not trying to be, I'm not trying to make it seem like I'm hype in these cars and I want to kill everybody's financial situation. But how unreliable can it be at six years old? Seriously. BMW just say, hold my beer.

I know, I know, you're right. But, like, really, it's six years old. How many miles? 56,000 miles, you got a man. How back can that car be, truthfully? Are we talking major engine trouble at six years and 56,000 miles? I have a hard time of reason. If it hasn't been tuned, like, I wouldn't think so.

I'd like to think a manufacturer that's been around for over 100 years can make an engine. With all their experience, it's a lot more than 56,000. This isn't like a high performance. You probably was driven pretty relaxed. You know? Right, because it's the end... It's the M850, yeah.

It's not like an M850. It's not like an ultra-high-performance call. That M-2 that Sean wants has been beat on, you know? Yep. Yeah. This car probably has been sort of chilled in. Yeah, I'd like to think so. Occasional hard accelerations.

Can I posit one more for Sean? Yeah. Look at C-43. That's not... Sean has no interest in that. Yeah. For $23,000. Of course it has that to car.

the difference between you and Sean. It's a four seconds year of service. I'm going to tell you to do this for you and Sean. 300. You're a deal shopper. You will change the entire thing you want to buy if it just means you can get a good deal. Yes, but Sean is an alert right now. He needs a car and he sent some wild options to me.

I'll tell you what's happened. Sean is selling his bad color G-wagon. Yeah. And so because he's taken all the photos and taken the cleaned it up and done all that, he can't drive it anymore. Because if he crashes it at this point, it's a problem. Yeah. So his bad-colored G-wagon is sitting in our office, and Sean is now realized he's left with a 360 and an old alpha. And he's like, oh my God, I need a car.

Is that why he showed me like Lexus 430? Or the SC-430? He's borrowed from his parents. He's borrowed a Lexus SC-430 on dinner plates. He owns a Ferrari, a vintage L4Money, and he needs to borrow a Lexus from his parents. That's what's happened. That's how it generally worked. That is motivation.

That's why he's lowball on people on Facebook marketplace, left and right with reckless abandon. He told us he insisted on a four-seat car. He sent us a screenshot. He lowballed the guy on it with a C7. He's no longer, he's like medium balling now. He's getting desperate. He's getting desperate. The longer he drives at a C430, the desperider he'll get.

I want to talk about the F12. Pull that F12. Let's talk about that. Unbelievable result, I think. Truly agreed. So, yeah, so 2014, so first year production, F12, Baragnetta. Ryan Lopez is eating. I'm glad we're here for Ryan Lopez's entertainment.

I look over. Well, Senior just going to hear as he opens, he opens a cold one. What's the problem? I don't understand. I went upstairs. The guy wasn't there. The next day. But yeah, back to Ferrari. So, yeah, so this 14, F12, so F12 Bronia, had a fantastic car. They've been coming up in value recently because I think the new Fries are so damn expensive. Do you worry that we miss the boat? Miss the boat here. I worry more about 599s, but yes. But this car is, but this car is. better. It is, but

it's the dual clutches, like I would still prefer manual conversion. I would prefer the ability of conversion. For sure. But the thing with this car, so it sold for $311,000 with 16,000 miles on end of vinyl wrap, which I was surprised because normally that brings quite a bit less

usually, unless you have like pictures before and all that stuff. I was I was very... But I think this number is strong. The most recent comps that I was looking earlier are in the 230 to 250 range. Just, I really think that it is because the new Do Dotychichilandri, sorry. Beautiful car.

Is, but it is expensive. It's so expensive. The 812 also was very expensive and they still. They still. I think a lot of people who, even like people have been for our customers for years, can't justify spending, what, $600,000, $700,000 on a car after you've optioned it. Especially because this car offers basically the same performance level. If we're being honest, I know the Daudici Chilindery is faster, but like not useably.

We're still talking about 730 horsepower. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot of power. And, you know, with the door clutch. And these are relatively reliable. The interior looks fairly modern. I mean, I don't know.

I think it's a tremendous. Like, for 300 something in Ferrari World, you get what, a 296 if you want newer? Like, that's, you could probably get a 296. The last 296 that we had was failed to be reserved, but was market correct around 350. Yeah. 3.15. 3.11 is, I don't know if that 396 is quite there, but in that range. But this...

I would rather have a V-12. Of course, it's a V-12, yeah. Yeah. This is a secret... Most people wouldn't, to be clear. I mean, the V-12s usually get depreciated like crazy as most people go after the mid-engines. But now, at this point, when all...

This thing is so cool. Yeah. It, I mean, it's still a lot of money. Have we messed up here and not bought F-12s and they were merely 200? I thought we would be able to sit and just watch the values continue to fall. Not the case, it seems. Apparently not.

Maybe not. Maybe one car is not an outlier, or is not a market. But I do watch other Ferraris in the world including the scood and I Sean Stained said finally gave it to him I know you did including the scud and I watched

these values and I'm like wow you see that MC12 sold for $10 million yeah I maybe we just missed it all together the Ferrari I mean obviously an MC12 and an F12 isn't

but like there seems to be a renewed interest in cars as an investment class as a blue chip collectible every hyper super super car seems like it's really hot right now, especially not the newest. A generation old, one of is still a little bit more analog than it is now. Which, like most current thesis, admittedly,

I do start to kind of roll my eyes and be like, God, everything is just getting so expensive and, like, I feel priced out of many cars. I hoped to own one day. Challenge for Dahlia is my favorite example. I really wanted to own one of those days. And now at, you know, $700,000, $800,000, that's not realistically not going to happen. Or even if I wouldn't spend that kind of way on that You spend that on a ton of a tonne. I'd get Sean's from, have most of the same experience. And a kuntosh.

Yeah, and a kuntosh, yeah. And a kuntosh, that's true. Can we talk about the 430 scoot? Can we pull it up? Because it's still going to be live when this podcast was out. 430 scoot. We got a 430 scoot up right now.

Very interested in this. Sean vehicles. Yeah. He's a 430 man. He's just happens to be the SC. He's traveling the 430 spider. What are we doing? Sean's got a 430 spider.

It's just got an acre of burl walnut in the Dash, it's a slightly different. Yeah, it doesn't have sticky plastics. It's got old wood. You know, the SC 430 and the F430 have the same size back seat. That's... Pull up an SC430. You will never see a smaller, pull up that car.

It is tiny. Look at this. This is what the seats folded forward. Give me a break. Keep going. Look at that. You're right. That does seem special.

You're the size of an ant. That is a cavern. I could not get my children back there. And my children are as small as possible for front faces. Literally impossible car to drive. Right, even if you want a moment, you don't. Look at all that wood. Sean is experiencing this right now as we speak.

You remember driving those, like the steering ways felt like it was just like pedic, like steering through peanut butter. Yeah. And the car is so puffy and cloud-like, and there's so much wood. Go to the interior. The amount of this light wood, it's just an unbelievable. It looks nice. I think it looks perfect for the clientele.

And never forget, as much as the tuner kids, the Ryan Lopez is over here are like, oh, the SC-300 with the Taurus. to Jay-Z, the SC-430s are worth more. Boom. V8, baby. Anywho, the 430 scoed is expensive. Very. What's going to be interesting is we don't know how expensive because there has not been a public

regular result. There hasn't been a public result in almost a year. And bidding right now, two weeks ago, is about where the last public result was. That's right. That toes you, it's on the bounce way. Well, we'll see. I don't know. I'm very curious myself.

I drove this car. It was an unbelievable experience. This car is absolutely incredible to drive. It is incredible to use. It is so much more aggressive than a regular F430. Steering precision, exhaust note, speed. It is so immediate, so raw. In a way that, honestly, I think none of the other sporty mid-engine cars are,

not the CS, not the Special. Speciality. None of them. This is the most mechanical and the most raw of all of those cars. And we'll see where it ends up. I felt the Starli is still pretty raw. The CS? Yeah.

I'm not a C. I know you hate that car. I don't hate it. I just think it's crazy what people spend. This car is better than the CS in literally every single way. But they produced more much more than that many. 1,700 of these versus 1288 CSS. CS isn't even that much rarer.

It's just a frog, you know what I'm saying? I like the frog. This car is cool. It is cool. I'm glad I've been telling people for years to buy them. I also told people for years to buy four, five, eight special like coops, because I knew that they were going to go up in value and I was right there too. But I think that it was,

It is just like, I'm so curious to see it ends up. Yeah, oh, that's a garage. All the good Ferraris are definitely not quite as low as they once were. Well, even the, again, even my beloved F-355, this spite of 25,000 miles on, I'll still for 143-D3-D-Rive. It makes, because there was a time when we were kids where, like, a Rattie 308, 3-48, 3-25, they were all pretty much available for 30 to 60 grand, like, ratty ones. Yeah.

Even kind of average ones. It's 308 GTS-S, the 2-Viles. It's still about that. But like, it does make me one. I always thought that that would just happen to the other Ferraris venture, the 360 and 430s. But what has happened instead is there seems to be this tide that has risen that is literally lifted all of the Ferraris. As the really crazy ones have gone up, so too have all the other ones. And it's like maybe the days of a Rattie 60K Ferrari is just never going to happen again.

So I have been thinking about this a lot since January when all those cars sold the Bachman Collection. Because, you know, the big Ferraris, the supercars all went up and vice. And then people bought the limited edition B-12s. Those went up, people are buying the stripped out, you know, limited edition-ish V8s. So what's next? It's like, I mean, yes, all values have risen. I think the manual ones will catch fire yet again. Yeah, I mean, I think that what's next is anything next that's rare, the factory manuals, the...

But then after that, you end up with the normal production stuff. And then, yes, that could go through. I just wonder, do you think that people are going... I'm not just saying this one because I have one live right now, but do you think that people are going to start to look at the lightweight Lamborghinis or, like, different brands? You know what? My garage is full of cars that don't say Ferrari on them. And I don't, I've not bought my cars to invest. I'm cool with it. But I have watched in a little bit of annoyance as the Ferrari brand name continues to be the defining characteristic of what seems to attract buyers to a lot of these cars.

Where Lamborghini, the Kuntash is cooler than any Ferrari that has ever been made, except maybe the F40. F50? Cooler? I don't know. I don't know. But regardless, like, the Kuntash is incredibly cool. I'll take about it. In pop culture, maybe.

If the Kuntash was a Ferrari, it'd be a $10 million car. It's a Lambo. It's five-homing. And I think that that is just sort of a reality that is the truth. And I wished it would change. And the Porsches have changed a little bit. But the Ferraris just seem to be the thing that commands the money. And I will also say one other thing.

As Ferrari becomes a brand that makes more and more and more and more cars, regular production, 599 is a rare car. regular production 550 with 3,000 units 3,000 units is an afternoon of Puro Songway. Rare than a 300 S.O. Rare than 300 S.O. But you know what I mean.

Yeah, I do know what you mean. Like, a regular production modern Ferrari is a rare car by standards of today's Ferrari. And so there hasn't really been a market equivalent of this to see how these cars are going to fare in the used market. I wouldn't be surprised if one day all those cars are really expensive.

Just like back in the day, at 250 p.m. was a normal car. That was a regular production Ferrari. And now it's an expensive, or at some point it was an expensive car. It's still not a, by Ferrari series. You get my point. I think the regular production cars of our youth will become incredibly valuable as Ferrari becomes more commercialized, higher production, more sanitized, electric vehicles designed by the Apple guy.

Like, a 599 suddenly becomes a pretty attractive proposition if you want to get into the old stuff. I have to have a Vipermax, but do you think it's just get a Ferrari after that? Get a Ferrari. Get a 599, dude. I do want to 599. Get a tip 599 and spend a lot of money every time it breaks. Yep. You can't see it. You can't look at those cars.

I do wonder about Landoz. It's like a Gaira Super Lagera. That's the one that in my mind stands. I think it has to at least. I don't. I completely disagree. I'm not saying fly through the moon. I think that I've been sitting here waiting for Lambos to pop for so long and they never have.

Amura at $3 million is like the all-time ceiling for any Lamborghini ever. And that's only $3 million. And it's the father of the Super Lambos. Like it was the first supercar ever. It was Gandini's first real design. It was the first mid-engine production. And it's like, and the Kuntash invented the wedge shape, the first car with Scissor doors. And both of those cars languish at Mura's at 2 million, Kuntash is at 600, and they're

buyable there all day long. That's true, but the appreciation on the Kuntas, because Farah bought his the same time you bought your Ford GT. Still. Still, it's a 600 car whereas a, you know, an Enzo is a 10 million car. Enzo's were 600 and 03. Well, yeah, for an afternoon. They're 1.2 immediately.

All right, I want to move on to the questions. The questions, of course, are sponsored by... Can I suggest a sponsor? Yeah. Cars andBeds. Oh, yeah. Cars and Bids. That one. There's an app. Cars and Bids.

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Oh, they already have one. Forget it. Forget that. All right, I want to move on to questions, and we got a lot of questions because this was supposed to be a more questioning pod. But you know what? We ended up talking about other stuff. Talked so long. I still have great questions.

First question from Daki P. Kenan, you got to answer for it. What happened to your hair on the podcast two weeks ago? I have a lot of hair. My hair is very thick, and it grows very fast, and I wanted to try something different. So I did. And I got a lot of attention, way more than I was expecting it to. It's just hair, for God's sake.

Just hair. I walked in that day. And I said, Kenan, Well, nobody tries anything different. I took one look at him and I said, Kenon, you can't have your hair. Which again, getting style criticism from a man so stylish. I don't care.

It wasn't about me. I just knew the comments would be endless. And literally every comment, people couldn't even get into Felipe's brilliant takes because they were so consumed by the hair. Well, they're welcome. In a way, in a way, it was actually a good thing. You're welcome for all the comments

and the extra engagement on that one, Sean. Next question. This is a real question, and I think a good one, and I want you both to atone. To be clear. Look me in the face when I ask you this question. Okay. From Siberian Motor wagon.

I've been making this point in our group for the last week or so in our group chat, and I've been very vocal about it, and now someone happens to ask the same question. How come the only non-German cars in your friend group are a Ford sports car and a Toyota truck? Hey, now. What happened to the other cars? is why is Kenan, now is

Kenan looking for the most American car they're in but Felipe's got this Mercedes. You know what? I have a 1973 Ford truck. You know what's funny about this Ford truck? Every time I'm at his house, the tires on this truck are 25 years old. Every time I met his house, I'm like, Felipe, you got to get these tires change. He goes, it's not my truck.

It's my wife's truck. It's not my truck. I'm not doing it. I'm not letting her decide on the tires. And now Felipe gets called out for having only German cars. He goes, I got a truck. I got a truck. Third point. Hard to argue that one. It's impossible to argue that.

I am the only person. Let me tell you the answer to this question. Because only I have a full appreciation of the automobile. Exactly. And what do I got? I got a Toyota. I got another non-European car company. You know what I got to say?

I got the Ford GT. I was going to say, if we were in your financial position, we would do different. But to be honest, I would. You buy more European cards. Because you guys, this is the difference. The car I've owned the longest is an American car. I don't own any more, and I have any years, but it's a car I've owned the longer. You guys have these narrow worldviews.

He's got a GTI, an E-station wagon, 9-11, 3 German. You have German everywhere, SL-65 German, M-5 German. You had that Ferrari European. I, the rest of the world is out there. But I will say, my appreciation has expanded tremendously. I've done two films, both on American cars recently. Well, a third was the Lamborghini, but ignore that European car. But I did the Ford Daytona-Cone.

which we sold. Yeah. Absolutely loved that car. Absolutely adored it. And then I did the Ford Mustang Mach 1. That car was cool as hell. I have appreciation for American cars, and so I really want to own.

And I will own one. A lot of people out here saying, first off, have some respect for your own country. Italy? It can be Italy. You don't have an Italian car either. I'll let you out of Italy.

He did have that 500A bar. I did, yeah. So, three months ago. You know what upsets me? Yeah, wait, what is it? You know what upsets me? You're not about you specifically. So, like,

What upsets me about you specifically, America took you in. Yeah. When you were at your lowest, you were a poor child washed up on the shore on a beach in North Carolina. We don't often tell this story. I'm going to tell it today. He washed up on the beach. He was only, he was in a set. He was in a grocery bag from, you'll get there.

You'll find an Italian grocery chance later. I want to see which one you comes up first. Google search. Grocery bag from, from, Euro spin. Oh, wow. Okay.

A discount grocer. Nice. And he washed up going, Mama. And you know who his mama was? America. That's true. And what,

and you pay us? What do you do? I don't afford to focus built in America for years. Six years. I think that this is a legitimate question. And beyond, by the way, this group,

Nick has only a Mercedes station wagon, a Mercedes SLR, his wife has a Kain, that's three Germans, plus he has his Land Rover, which is British, European. Nick has always been, I mean, well, yeah, but his first car was a four. He's Euro, Euro, Euro, our buddy, Sam is a box truck, some variety, and he's Euro as hell. He has a Rivet, and Jeep's in America, normal Illinois. Yeah, but the point is we all had things, okay, and then when we got some money and we got some taste, we all bought European. Sam actively has an American car.

You don't have, and wife has a German car, there's Germans everywhere. You guys are Euro trash. We are. You don't have a little bit of desire to say, hey to America. I do. I'm going to own the most bare-chested American car there is. The difference between going to own and will own is the difference between I'm keeping my GTI and I'm going to sell my GTI. I set a course and I stick to it.

I make this happen. We're all sitting here. Siberian motor wagon is sitting here waiting for you to fly a flag. Well, I will. And when it happens, I will wear an American flag when I have my viper, and you'll see. Interesting. There are a lot of cars in his office.

A lot of cars in the office. There are two American cars in the office. Actually, from my standpoint, I can't sing a single American car. And two is really kind of stretch. Italian, Italian, Japanese, Japanese, Italian. And there's a Chevy Sprint turbo around the corner. I can see it.

I, in all honesty, I am, in all honesty, Oh, there's a Corvette. Generally speaking, the only member of our group who's really interested in all of the countries in the cars. I don't think that's true. At this moment, I happen to own three German cars. I don't understand how that's happened. I need to correct that.

My car list is generally, though. My car list is pretty comprehensive. I've owned every country. Volvo Audi, Volkswagen, Toyota, Ford, BMW, Lotus, Cadillac. You remember a Cadillac? I had two. A.M. General, thank you very much.

I've dodged. fewer cars, but I think you will agree that I... We didn't have that little tax incentive from state of Georgia that you did where you could just cycle cars. Yeah. You could lie on the... forms like everybody else.

You're advising that people. Oh, we can't lie. We don't do that. We don't do that. To be clear. I think that you will, should accept that I also have an equal love of all kinds of cars, even if I don't own them. No, I think once you got a little money, we're buying cool cars, they were all Europe.

All your cars before were BS cars that you didn't care about. You know what? Suddenly it's start, you start to be able to... SCE sport. That car's long gone. Four years. I will, I know, if you look at the list of cars, I have a list on my phone. I have a list on my phone of every car I've ever driven my entire life.

I will drive anything. Yeah. But when it comes to committing to, it's like there are tastes that I like. No, no, no, I just, it was by habit. There were no wagons that were in a second. I just happened to fall into three euro cars. I like what I like. What's wrong with that?

I am the only person who has a whole love of car. If I'm a C7 Corvette, will you stop on this train? Yeah, okay. I will say. We'll bow down to you. I don't know what, like what... Dead serious. I am proud to drive the Ford GT every time I drive it in part because it's American.

That car is designed in America, buy an American, built in America, And then it's important. Hey, so is your career jutee, sort of. Hell yeah. We're going to have Jason Hill, the design of the career jrity, on this podcast. He doesn't know it yet. I haven't told him, but I'm now connected to him on Instagram. Wow.

Oh, I would like to own more sports course, and I'm taking that advice. That's why I'm not buying a Macon and I will own more. I'm sorry. Were you speaking German or just or just speaking? I couldn't hear you. You know? Very funny. Very funny, man.

Making fun of Germany. Can't believe it. Okay. Next question. Next question. Next question. Next question. question. This is a good question. From plausibly,

Hey, fellows, what podcasts are you listening to? Filippo, tell us about your listening. Yeah, I don't listen to that many podcasts, but I listen to some, like, news-related podcasts, and tech-related podcasts. Okay, like what? I'd rather not get into it. Filippo, tell us. I will say, I do love NKBHG's Wave Form podcast as one of my tech ones. Shout out to Marquez-Benz-Barrant. Filippo, tell us... Trying to, like, solicit some favorites here from... Tell us about the podcast.

that you listen to? Mm. No, no. There's a fair amount of NPR, yeah. Yeah. They have some good podcasts.

Philippo, I want... But it's not exclusively MPR. When do you listen to it, I care. When I walk the dog, or when I'm on a really... I always wondered what you're listening to when you walk around. I don't listen to music that often. Doug isn't the top 1% of Spotify listeners

worldwide. I'm not. You're not going to admit here to listening to hardcore left-wing podcasts? You're not going to admit that. I think that's not how I would describe them. This episode is brought to you by Activia. You might already be

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That's good. Oh, my God. All right, let's do three more questions. Three more questions. From J.M. Etheridge. By the way, I don't listen to any podcast. Ken, do you? Yeah, I do.

What do you listen to? MSSP, Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast. Shut up to the dogs. What just happened? Everybody who listens to that, everybody knows. I love Matt and Shane. What do you think this is? Leipo, what do you think this is?

It's Matt. Sheing Gillis, the comedian. He and Matt, they both, the great podcast is on that all the time. I also listen to Smoking Tire. Love Matt Fair. Always have listened to the smoking tar. Still my favorite automotive podcast, no offense to you too.

I'm a little offended. And I listen to a lot of stuff, but Hoodinky Radio. Listen to them, of course, for watch stuff and play a bunch of others too. I listen to none. I listen to music. Yeah, I do know that.

Speaking of, there's a question here, what is the best song to listen to while driving during the day? What is the best song to listen to while driving at night? I'm going to tell you the only song I listen to is called Standing Still by, a band called Budahead. It's the only...

I listened to it on repeat... I haven't heard that one from you yet. Over and over and over and over again. That's the only song I listen to. Night and Day. Is that the summer song? No, it's from like 20 years ago. You can have it if you want.

But like, what is giving you the song of the summer? You got to call me maybe, maybe. We need to call me maybe. No, no, but you always have a song of the summer that you play. I know, we need to call me. It needs to be popy and fun. Virginia don't sound like she used to.

I'm giving you this song. Don't want she used to. Standing still by Buddhahead. You go listen to it. Felipe, you go listen to it. Instead of listening for once, instead of listening to Rachel Maddow. Wow. It's right there on Spotify.

That's this song. Okay. Two more questions. Two more actual questions. Kyle K.P. Are there any car manufacturers that you think will follow in the footsteps of Spirit Airlines within the next five years or less? And that they will go bankrupt.

Or just disappear. and people have to fly around repossessing their planes. Somehow Infinity. I got it was so infinite. Infinity just rolled out the QX-65. I know. There's a bunch of automakers

that are constantly in trouble. Ashton Martin is because of Lotus McLaren Honorable is constantly trouble. The thing is an auto maker with a really strong brand name is never going to go away. So Saab went away

because it didn't have been wrong. Ashton Martin is always, there's always going to be some value in it. I also, The real answer is that there's going to be a lot of... By the way, there are a lot that have been smaller scale. Lordstown Motors was around for a brief moment. There's other ones like that.

Tell me about a real. If you were to place your bets on a real automaker... That I think the next few years will truly go to business. Yeah. And fully collapse. A lot will form joint partnership. But just like the brand is gone. What do you got?

Kenon think on it, too, in the U.S. market. And the U.S. markets are, I think probably half of the manufacturers in China will go bankrupt. Yeah, the U.S. Hit me in the U.S. Who's leaving? Who's leaving? Why can't you immediately answer? I got two right off the bat.

Well, if Lotus actually does the thing they say they're going to do, like they get rid of the V6 and that's not around anymore, that seems pretty like. I think either Alpha or Maserat. Maserati was the other one. They have strong brand names, but no way, Maserati. I don't think that that's the Lantin has the willpower to it. The answer is Mitsubishi and In fact. are both going away.

They are both going away. Yeah, Mitsubishi's probably right. I'm breaking the news right here. Mitsubishi Motors is done in the U.S. Boy, when you go on Mitsubishi.Cars.com, the only car they're offering is the outlander. Yes, that's it. Oh, the Eclipse Cross.

That's been true for a while, and at least there is a new Outlander. And a refresh one coming out of memory serves. Based on the Rogue, right? Correct. Well, this is all going to go great. But then you remember, of course, the Rogue hybrid is based on the Outlander, yeah.

No, I think that. Mitsubishi's a good guess. Mitsubishi in Infinity. They're circling the drain. It depends on how Nissan plans to do it. I think they will want a luxury brand, and so they may keep it alive even though they should. I just don't know.

You know, it's interesting. When all the Japanese brands launched luxury brands in the late 80s and early 90s, they did it because they saw the enormous amount of money that the Germans were making. And it hasn't gone well for any of them. Lexus has been great. Infinity has been pretty much a disaster after year three.

Accura never really took off like I think they were hoping it would. It always sort of lived in this budget space, which was never going to be as profitable. And, you know, Masta tried to do it, too. They had this brand they were going to launch called Amadi. That was the 929 was going to be that. And they never even got it off the ground.

I'm going to add one to that, not to the list of luxury makers, but that might truly be gone in five years. Lucid. Lucid has taken back all the predictions on production this year. They've fully removed their guidance and said, we don't know how many cards we're going to make it. You watched what happened with Live Golf.

Yeah. Do you know about this? Yes. The Saudis came in and tried to bribe. Is that a term we can use? Yeah, I think it's the most correct. I can't go to Jedi anymore, but they tried to bribe all the... Shame.

All the golfers from the PGA tour to come over to their new golf. And it worked because they had zillions of dollars. They were to start their own golf tour. But you saw what happened recently. They have shut down. They're shutting down. They stopped paying the golfers. it's all over.

And so you sit here thinking, oh, the Middle Easterers have all this money. They can bankroll stuff forever. Well, we'll see how long forever lasts, and Lucid may indeed find out. Especially because fundamentally, the Saudi government is having some money troubles by not being able to export their oil currently.

It may have an impact on where they decide to place bets. And I could imagine Lucid losing, like running out of money. We got oil problems. Oh, by the way, VinFast is still around. I did. Yeah, what's VinFest? They were on this huge kick. They were trying to get me every VinFest ever made.

They sent me a blanket one year, which I still use. And by the way, as a result, I am a shill for their company. They make the best cars in the world. Make pretty decent blankets. The blanket's amazing. There's a VN... There's a VINFAS store at the mall here in San Diego. Yeah.

I don't know if you're familiar with this. They have had a VF9 in the showroom for the last two years. Yeah. Not for sale. Not for sale. Well, they get sold and other ones. But so, what's the deal with that? Are they still doing it?

Apparently, the VF7 is coming soon. Okay. Last question. Last question. from Crossy with a K. Hey Doug, the podcast of one of the best parts of my Fridays. How lovely. Sean, you hear that?

That's very kind. But I think it would be even better with more regular outside guests included. Good news last week. These people don't like, Sean, you hear that they don't like Canon and Felipe? I can't blame them. What are some of, or maybe me?

Right, that's fine too. What are some of your most desired guests to have on the pot? Well, Tyler Hoover, obviously. Here's the problem with guests. Two things. Number one, Farah has guests on his pod, and he tells us the pods with guests always do worse than the pods with the crew. Yeah. Because people don't, they see the guest name and they don't want to hear from that guest, so they just don't watch that pod.

Whereas if it's just the guys, they'll tune in. Number two, in order to have the sort of jovial, enjoyable experience that we all have, it has to be someone that we are comfortable with. Right. Or in our case, if Doug wants to tear into us and make fun of us, it wants to be someone who knows, not someone he's not familiar with. Yeah, like Hoovey. Right. Right, whoo, you can ask him. Right, you're going to ask him some tough questions, I'm sure. Yeah.

Yeah. We'll see him square. Didn't we get into, like, his marital status last time? Yeah, I'm sure the taxes will come up. Oh, for sure. For sure. At least you file that an extension that you're smart. So, the answer is, like, if we had whistling on, I feel like I'd be, like,

Camisa was here, and I felt like nervous a little. Like, Camisa is an automotive icon. Yeah. And I was, like, not really sure how to, you know, it's not the same energy. Right. So who do I want on number one, most desired guest, Ryan Lopez. Oh, wow. He could answer for the air conditioning incident. He could answer for the picking the guy up upstairs incident.

He's got a lot of other ones that were. Felipe came in today. He said, Ryan Lopez booked a meeting and he was on an airplane for the meeting. Yep, that happened. And Ryan said, well, did you take the meeting? Ryan said, I couldn't take the meeting. I was on an airplane. I was there.

He and Freddie were probably on the same flight. They just, they wandered on it. They got on the flight, boom. I didn't know if it was going to be on a flight. Didn't have any idea I was going to be on a plane. How do you calculate how long it's going to take? I don't know. I did say yes to the meeting, though.

Ryan Lopez is my number one guest that I want in the pot. And I think we're going to have that soon. It is quite doable. It's pretty doing. He's sitting there. He's right there. He's listening to all of this. Bring his chips right into the studio.

Yep. And we do a pretty good AC, so he'll be. We get good ACM. He'll sleep well. Sleep. Who else? Who do you want, Kenan? Hmm.

Well, I'd love Matt to come down. I'd love Matt Farah. Yeah. He's been on. The very first live we ever did. Yep. Which started this whole thing was with Matt Farah. The problem is it's hard to also.

Actually, you know, Zach Clapman. Zach is so funny. Both of them would be great. Zach Clapman is the funniest guy in the car biz. Yeah. And it makes sense. He does stand-up. Like, he's a comedy writer.

He is so funny and I love him, do. You want Zach Clatman. I would love him. I would love him. Sean make it happen. I think we could also have a fun experience. It wouldn't feel like overbearing or like, oh, what do you say to this person? Do we have to ask them if they want coffee?

Like, you can just like have them and have them like they're one of your friends. Yeah, absolutely. What about you? I want Nick Roshan's wife. I need somebody to explain for that. A special pod with Nick's wife. That would be, you know what? Actually, Nick and his wife.

I actually do second this. I think that would be amazing. That would be amazing. You just play her clips of what Nick has said that we cut and then have her react. Answer for this. Yes, so Nick's wife, I'll say her name. Prepare her. Don't you think it would be amazing to get some real insider like,

Yeah. Okay, so what's the, you know, is this, is this going on even at home? Do you know about all this stuff? She is the most patient woman on the planet. Because Nick is so crazy, I can't imagine. Got to be. Got to be. Yeah, truly insane.

That's a great one. I hadn't considered that. A lot to answer for. We'll send her a note. Maybe she hates us. Maybe she thinks we're bad at. Nick probably goes home and says like, that Felipe made me buy another car.

She taxed it all. I can't believe it. I think she wants to. Don't give Nick ideas. I fairly common she watches and or listens to the podcast. Only what Nick saw it. She's not going to hear this. Okay, we're good.

That's the end. There's a Pinsgauer on the site. By the time you're watching this, long gone. Sorry, someone else spotted. But cars, all the velocity cars. If you go to, browse slash velocity or go to the banner. I'm going to go to the banner and it's cool as hell.

It is very cool. There's a lot of incredible cars that are going to be ending tomorrow when you're listening to this. Tomorrow. So make sure you... So many cars. I'm not sure it comes around to that. Yeah, maybe... Oh, maybe it does.

You might have to go to CarsBids.com again. And by the way, that's a note for you. Go to Cars and Bids.com. Click on it. But truly, there's some absolutely incredible car. If you've ever wanted a Lola T-2112, you've been sitting here waiting. You've been waiting for all these years. By the way, that's Skyline.

Wild. 6,000 miles, Midnight Purple, too. I want to buy this, and then I looked at the midnight purple. It's getting it for real money. If you ever wanted a logo T-12, and I want to buy this,

this is your chance. Now, Nick's going to buy it and be like, but Doug said on the pod. This is my chance. Hold on the pod. This is my chance. This is my head to buy it.

Okay, that's our last thing. Anything else? Any parting thoughts? Safe travels. Safe travels to you. I'll see you at Velocity. Yeah. Our best pod ever.

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