THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - The New Corvette! Porsche Saves the Manual, Four Seat Lamborghini!

Episode Date: March 27, 2026

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until you do. I'll be watching you. You the police? And sting. Okay. Key is big news. The other big news of the week, almost as big as key,

but not as big as key, is... The Fila is dead. So what happened to that PR person we were talking about last week? Yeah, you gotta assume that they're also dead. No, no, no.

Obviously not. But I assume that they may know a longer job. We got wet. We talked last week about this being likely. So Honda has stopped pretty much all of their EV initiatives. Sony Honda Mobility is no more.

Sony Honda Mobility announced that they're going to, they've decided to discontinue the development and launch of its first model, and its second model, collectively. And all models. The models. It comes, following discussions between its parent companies, the Sony Group Corporation and Honda MotorCope. Okay.

They are throwing Honda massively under the bus in this entire statement for good reason. Well, Honda's the one who makes cars, so without Honda, they can't make cars. Okay, I'm going to, I want to posit something. question for you, Felipe. Yeah. And you can take this one too. They got the fellow in the office, the White House, the there, the Trump fellow. Yeah, the President of the United States, yeah.

President of the United States, the Trump gay. And things could be better, right? You can't get to an airport, you got Iran, you got the oil crisis forming. All lies. I get to airports all the time. Pretty good. Let's just say there's a possibility that the Libs get their act together and find it a decent candidate, which is admittedly, we'll see.

But let's say that happens, and the Trump fella's gone. Yeah. Do you think that these companies that are turning their, and even right now, gas prices are shooting up, do you think that these companies that are turning their backs on EVs, may it's either soon with the Iran situation or sort of soon with maybe a new presidential administration, do you think they might regret not developing EVs further? Yeah. I think they will.

I mean, to be clear, Sony, Hottomabom. there were some concerns about their future regardless, had they produced the FILA 1 or the FILO 2 or the other models. I'm not sure that was ever viable. But I think that stopping that development will be really problematic. I think it will also, I mean, Honda's doing this. Every American automaker is also kind of taking the same path, and I think that we will see them regret that in the near future.

Now, do you think that Sony will regret that they can't be in the car business? Yeah. They'll keep making screens, to make technology. I want to legitimately read this because it's quite the pressure. I'm going to read just one line. Well, it was written by someone who's... Yeah, please illegitimately read that to us.

However, as a result of Honda's reassessment of his automobile electrification strategy announced on March 12th, Sony Honda Mobility will no longer be able to utilize certain technologies and assets that were originally planned to be provided by Honda. It does not have a viable path forward. Well, yeah.

No one's surprised. A feel is done. To be fair, it didn't have... have a viable path forward with Honda's technology. We've been laughing about Afila since they announced pricing, since they announced models. Like, if you, I'm going to tell you something, if you want to be successful as an EV automaker, this ain't it. No.

It was very technology heavy. This ain't it. It ain't happening. This is not the car. Okay. The good news is that Sony Honda Mobility will continue discussions with Sony and Honda regarding future business. It is so itchy because, like, Apple for a long time had considered making a car, but decided no. Yeah.

Which I think was kind of, it was. and they had invested a lot of R&G and decided to do it. Sony decides to go out and do this and fails miserably at it before it even starts, before it even becomes something. It is not easy to develop a car.

I think a lot of tech companies look at it. Oh, it's a Skaper platform. That fellow from South Africa did it, though. That fellow from South Africa did do it. He started with a lotus. But also the guy from Florida who we talked to on this very podcast that day that it was hot.

Arjester. Okay, yeah. He did it. What about that? And the Saudis are doing it today with Lucy. It is. Sort of. It's interesting to see the Japanese automakers

kind of not really innovate in this space in a meaningful way. It's interesting. It is interesting. The Japanese are like, we don't need EVs. Yeah, meanwhile, Nissan really excelling. Honda now has had multiple quarters of quite poor results. Yesterday.

I came to an intersection. I came to a stop sign and a fellow in an RIA got there after me, but he discontinued. Slammed his brakes to get to the stop sign, floored it through the intersectioning, he turned without his turn signal. I was like, you know what? guy's got an aria, I'm gonna let him do his thing.

You know what I mean? Discontinued though, so he's... That's kind of what's my thinking. It's like if you're at the point in your life where you got an aria, you got... You know what? You drive it like that, sir. You need that. I'm giving you that.

I do wonder, there are a lot of one-year only EVs. The feel I never made it to one year, but there are a lot. And you kind of wonder if people become desirable later in life. They will not ever become desirable, but you do wonder about support. Like, there are definitely people who bought some of these EVs assuming that, like, especially retired people who are assuming this would probably maybe their last car. Yep. That, like, it was, they were sold reliability, and their mild juice case has gone down and all that.

And so they ended up getting themselves into stuff like BZ4X, although that technically hasn't been canceled yet. It's a BZ now. Right, or a prologger, which is ZDX. Indeed, canceled. And problematic, because it's not a Honda product, really? Yeah. So poor dealers are going to have to support a two-year product. Yeah, right, forever.

With GM architecture, and that's, try explaining that to some old person who bought one. You actually have to take this down the street to John Smith, Chevy. I'm like, what? I bought a Honda because it was reliable. Yeah. That's going to be a weird situation. Anyway, good luck to that. No surprise about a Fila, literally zero.

I would have called this the day that it was first announced. In fact, you first told me about it on this very podcast. We could go back and watch the clip, but I have a suspicion I wasn't particularly supportive. No, it talked to you, though, or something. Dude, if it looks like that. It did. It could, it could, it could, it could, it could whisper you sweet nothings. They ran a lot of ads that tried to connect Sony cameras to the, it was.

You know, it just doesn't. I have a Sony camera. Now that I think about it, I have a Sony camera. Oh, so you're a fan of Sony Hot and Bull. I feel bad now for this company. All of the cameras that's being filming right now, all of those are Sony cameras. Oh my God, this company, we love. We love the cameras.

Stick to the cameras. We don't realize how integrated they are into our lives. It's like when Circuit City tried to make a cartelorship. Right. As high school musical taught us, you should stick to the stuff, you know. Okay, let's move on in the next new story, which is the new Corbett, Surely this must be an exciting moment for Felipe the resident Corvette. Yeah, it is.

We talked a few weeks ago. There was a spy shot on like a pullout on Angelus Crest or something like that of a grandspore. And indeed, the grand sport is coming. They announced it at Sebring. More details will come between the time you're watching this and the time we're filming. Like, theoretically more details are being announced tomorrow. Yesterday. Yesterday for you.

You know more than we do. How does it feel to live in the future? And therefore, we don't have much to say. No, but we do know that it has little red stripes on one corner like other Grand Sports have. We do know also that they have continued to tamp down rumors of a manual transmission. They have said very clearly that there is not a manual coming. There were rumors of it because a supplier had made a manual that could theoretically fit with the engine, but the chief engineer for Corvats had made very clear that is not coming.

For them. Now, the Tremack did make the... is supposedly making a transmission for swaps that's coming in two years. Yeah. It'll be an interesting swap because of the center console design. Yeah.

How do you make that work? Okay, I will say. It's quite an interesting quote. So Tony Roma is the Corvette engineer. It's a chief Corvette engineer, right? And his quote says, Tremax showed something at Seema last year that I wish they wouldn't have shown.

It's not real. So it's rare for an automaker to throw their larger, one of the larger suppliers under the bus. Maybe it doesn't actually exist. Maybe it's not production ready. I think that Chevy is probably perpetually a little bit disappointed by the persistent rumor that there's going to be manual transmission in this car, possibly because a manual transmission would really be

an really strong asset to this car. This is a fantastic car, one of the best sports cars on the market. It'd be cool if it had three pedals. I couldn't agree with you more. Mid-engine, V8, manual. I mean, that is... Especially because GM is so committed to manuals and other performance cars. Camero had one right up until the end.

The Blackwing's got one, both four and five. And their take rates must have been pretty deep. decent on those, I would think. Like, people really... Apparently, late C7 manual take rate was absolutely low. Well, do you mean abysmal? I know.

I said it right. It's not wrong. English is his second language, I don't forget. E too well. Excuse me. So very low and that's part of the... Sure, but the market, I mean, the demand for it's there. Like, I would also argue,

this is an argument that I would provide to Tony Roma and one of his restaurants. I would say, look. I would say, look, I would say, I totally agree that the C7 demand for manuals was low. Yeah. But the C8 is reaching a totally different kind of buyer. It's a, I presume it's a younger buyer. There is more youth interest in this car than I've ever seen before.

It is much more a performance car buyer who actually probably wants to exploit the capabilities of the vehicle as opposed to some of the C7 owners, so we know. They would argue as faster shifting. Totally. But who want to enjoy, et cetera. I mean, you look at Porsche, you see what's going on there. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if.

Two manual models. Yeah, but GT3 is it's like all anybody wants. It's a distinction between whether the car is successful in the used market or not. I mean, the real enthusiasts are going out from. They're selling for 20, 30% more on the secondary market. Not that I'm saying that would happen to C8, but there's certainly demand, especially for C8 relative to C7. I totally understand C7 take rate was low. I think that was more of the boomer gene short kind of buyer.

I think the C8 buyers are a little bit different. Well, it doesn't have to be offered with every model. Like a manual ZO6, like I think we can all get behind that that would be a pretty incredible car. I would even be into a manual grand sport, presuming the grand sport is like a little bit. Grandsport is like other ZO6s, which is, or other previous corvettes, which is that it has some of the ZO6 upgrades, not the power train. That would be a pretty cool car. By the way, there's Taka for the first time there being two Grandsport models.

There are rumors that there'll be a Grandsport X, which is the ERA, rebranded as a Grandsport X. Hey, anything they can do to justify the investment in ERA. Pull up the C4 Grandsport. I want to talk about this for a cycle. You never loved the C4 Grandsport. The C4 Grandsport is my all-time favorite Corvette. We sold in a grand...

Yeah, but a grand... It's not a... Yeah. He's not a giant Corvette enthusiast. He's not a... He's a Maserati Grand. This is my all-time favorite Corvette. I love this car. More than the C-4-0-1?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Really? C-4 Grandsport is the coolest-looking Corvette of all time. It came at the very final model year of C-4. It just bawled out. But... But... Oh. 35-5.

I love the C-4 Grandsport. And it's still, to this day, occasionally think about picking And you know, we got this WS6 bird in the office. Makes me want one of these even more. I want to get into some late 90s early 2000s America. Let's go. Doug is ready for his jean shorts era. Can I?

Pull up the interior. This was not a jean shorts car. This is for connoisseurs. It's for real adults. Look at this red interior. You had this interior back in 96. You were somebody. Can you go back to the photo with the 355?

Can we just agree that anybody that's actually buying a 355 should just buy a C4 Grantsport? Yeah, especially because it's a roofie lift for Yofi. No. Right. Okay. Right, move on to the next news story, please. Somewhere between that first warm weekend and realizing short season is right around the corner, eating well stops feeling optional.

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Okay. Rodent Track is reporting. Rodentrack, famous magazine, or possibly they're not a magazine anymore. They're reporting that the fellow who runs the Lamborghini there, Stefan Winkelman. Yes. Or Stefan, if you want to call it. Best just CEO in the world. He, he's, they, Rodentrak was talking to him at the 12 hours of Sebring, and he said that they're continuing to work on EVs, they're not sure, blah, blah, blah, but what we're missing is a grand touring car, a two-door two plus two.

Now, this surprises me because Ferrari has had this in their lineup for decades, and it has never been successful, ever. It's always been the car that they make you buy if you want to get a nicer car. It's one of them. You got to get a Roma and you got to get that. They've added more to the lineup. But back in the day, it was the one. Like, if you bought a 612, they would have a conversation with you about some high performance, something else. Yes, and everybody loves to say that was the car that old man Ferrari loved himself, the 2 plus 2 is like that was it. Enzo, the last shot of Enzo driving a car, he's in a 412, or is it a Pujo. Anyway, the point is, a point is that Lambo says they're missing this.

Aren't you astonished to hear this? Yeah, because a two-door 2 plus 2. Right. What I feel it, like, you know, covers the 2 plus 2 thing for them is the Uruz. Like that is like that and they sell Because that's what the market wants That's what the market wants Who's looking for two door two plus twos anymore?

Who right now? Is there anyone out there in the world? You know, whenever we say these hypotheticals And people get in the comments like actually I'm looking for a $13,000 two-wheeled pickup truck I bet you no one's gonna get in these comments And be like yeah I want a $380,000 two-door four seat Lamborghini That's every 9-11

Yeah, basically. Yeah, because those people are cross shopping with Lamborghinisies. Is Lamborghini going to hop in at the $90,000 price point? A new 9-11, 125. Okay. Are they going to hop in at the 125 price point? No, it's a 400-something,000. They also said in that same interview that they ruled out a sedan and a small SUV.

Well, that makes, you know, well, you remember the sedan of the Estoke? Oh, of course. Pull it up. Pull it up. I still have, to this day, I have a Hot Wheels level. My kids play it all the time. It's incredible. You know this car?

The Stokee, yeah. Yeah. This could have happened, and then Felipeo screwed it all. Oh, I went into their headquarters. and said, do not build it. You did, but I think that is so cool. Yeah. That was just before Eventador's like all that time.

At the front end. Honestly, the Lambo design, like so many of these cars, the design language translates so much better to a Ford or a sedan than it did to an SUV. The Earth has still, after 10 years, never been attractive. This car looked cool. Look at that flare that comes out of the rear door for the vat. Lambo did it right, though, by not making this car.

They probably got close. I mean, this looks pretty production. Yeah, I agree. In the end, they were like, They were right not to. I mean, it wouldn't have been... It was the wrong time. It was the recession.

And then a couple of years after, go by after the recession, the market starts changing for SUVs, and then they think about it. I look really the recession. That looks so far ahead of its time. I feel like it was 08. I think you're correct, but like that is... That's far ahead of its time. I mean, yeah, because these headlights kind of ended up on the Hurricon, which was much later

than 08, but very interesting. Very interesting. Nonetheless, I agree. This is a wild thing that they feel this is what they're missing. I kind of get it. They have a small two-seat two-door card. They have a larger one. They have the larger one that are a welto.

What can you add? You already have an SUV. Well, you add something that's maybe a little bit of a road SUV. It wouldn't be a two plus two. No one's buying that. Name a car that's where that's successful anymore. Mercedes, okay, but 125 grand. Or 250 for a turbo, right?

You're not that far off. But that's the hurricane or whatever it's called now, the John Tamari. Yeah. If they're thinking about it's interesting. If they're thinking about a 2 plus 2 as a Ferrari California competitor, that's a different conversation. I would retain that. What's the Ferrari California call now? It's not the Portofino.

The Roma. The Roma spider. And then there's the, uh, the, um, uh, a Malfi. Amalfi, that's what it's called now. They keep moving to the different coasts. I mean, if they're talking about that, that's interesting. It's a different market from the angled Lamborghini design. That's true.

Yeah. Into the Roma, which is like a relaxed kind of old guy in Newport Beach kind of car. Interested to see. Hey, pull up the Lamborghini Portofino, if you will. I'm so sorry, what? The Lamborghini Portofino. I got a trivia question for you on this one. The Lamborghini, if it's not, Portofino.

Pull up the picture of this. Wow. Take a click on that. The Chrysler Lamborghini and Portofino. Filippo, what car do you see in that? I see a lot of Dodge and Trepon. Dodge and Trepon. You know, Chrysler and Lamborghini were best pals at this era, one lone the other, who knows who.

And this is a Lambo concept car. Wow. They took the Lambo concept and they made in Dodge and Trepo. It had dual scissor doors? It had dual scissor doors. Yeah. That's nuts. Can you imagine?

That must have worked terribly. How does that make sense? It does make sense for Ingress and Ingress to a degree. Both those completely get out of the way. That Konigse guy drove was like that. Oh, no, it had one giant one. But imagine having to close this. What do you go like...

Well, it's insane especially because they must hinge on each other. So does that mean you have to close them at the same time? No, you close the back. Oh, that's a good point. It doesn't make any sense. Or they latch on each other. It obviously doesn't. Maybe they latch on the bottom somehow, which probably isn't allowed.

Not structurally. So good, but yeah. Wow, that is cool. That was the Lamborghini Portofino, which became the Dodge Intrepid. Think about that. Boy, will I? Nothing else to think about. Next news story, please.

Ah, yes, on the topic of manual transmissions. Porsche, as we know, saw lots of manual transmission. Recently, a patent had come out. Now, this isn't a new patent. This was actually submitted in 2024, but this is the first time that we're hearing about it. Do you remember the Konex Egg ESS transmission where you'd have an automatic and a manual at the same time?

Yeah, I remember they talked about it. Is that real? That's real. Now, Porsche also believes that you can do this, and they file the patent for this. So the idea is that you have a lever that you can select automatic mode like anything else, or you can put it into manual mode and have a traditional H pattern. Now, it's not actually connected to the transmission. This is a totally separate unit that would be shift by wire,

which I'm sure Porsche Pyrrhus will be very upset about, which I kind of understand. But nonetheless, they're looking at this, you have to imagine because they're thinking, for EVs, that could be something that they're going to offer. I'm going to give you some bad news here. This is an EV transmission. I agree with that. That was my analysis of that. However, I think it would be kind of cool

still will shift gears in an EV. Totally. Because if there's anything that the Ionic 5N proved to you and I, it's that shifting, that way feels pretty organic and really cool. And even if we're forced to have EVs one day, if we can still row our own and they build the parameters

where it can feel like I'm in engaging, I think that's pretty cool technology. Totally. So I'm really curious to see if this comes to fruition. I mean, just because it's a patent, does not, they're going to make it, but I suspect we're going to see

this in Porsche EVs in the future. It makes sense in EVs. Porsche has already hinted a few times that the Hyundai end shifting thing is something that they're interested in, they're looking into, etc. This has been talked about.

It would make sense for Porsche, for whom people love the physical act of shifting so much, not just the pedals and the sounds, the physical thing, to be the ones who develop a manual for that purpose. I agree. And, of course, with the EV came in and Boxter,

It's like this seems like a very natural thing to integrate into that and will upset us a lot less. So we'll see. Maybe. It depends on how well it's done. Apparently they would use electric motors and springs to give the shifter feedback and how to their face of the engine. If any company can be trusted to judge that correctly, it is Porsche.

Porsche and Honda make the best shifters in the business. Totally. Although I do wonder about the early integrations of this, I suspect, will be interesting and maybe look back with SMT and its weird quirks. I wouldn't be surprised if this is looked back on someday as like, Huh, that was a weird. Maybe, but maybe it will be the beginning of something that flourishes into something else. Who knows?

But we'll find out. I just love that, unlike GM, Corvette understands they need to be offering manual transmissions in their sports cars. Yeah, there you go. They're looking at a manual automatic. I know. I've always loved this idea, conceptually. Yeah. I think about a...

Do you remember the MR2 with the SMT? I don't. What car was it that had a pattern but no clutch? That was a sob? There was a sob, but there's also some Citrus. that also had that same concept. Yeah, don't forget the Ferrari Vallejo. Oh, yeah, that's right.

The Vallejoirs, of course, had. Porsche did that also. Porsche had Sportomatic. Didn't that not have a clutch? I don't think that had a clutch. It didn't have a clutch, but was it a pattern? No, I think it was a pattern. There were a few, yeah.

Yeah, that works even more. The Ferrari Valleo, the F40 Vleo, the F40 built for the Ignelli family, just one of them. That's the F40 we want. That's right. The only automatic L'AF40. What is the car is? Probably worth 5X, what a man. Gianni Agnelli's personal car

In the later years He's taking all his mistresses in it Yeah, just imagine watching him Try to get into that car Toward the end would have been really rough And then he puts it and you know He just shifts to buy it to sell It's very impressive

It's a lot of technology of him Yeah But nonetheless, very cool Yeah On the next news story This is a big one folks The Nissan Z has been given A minor facelift in Felipe

And so can we talk about it It is a minor facelift, but it is a facelift. And also, crucially, there's a new paint color, which is unreal green. Oh, it is unreal. No one's going to buy it. That's why it's unreal. Unreal. I don't know.

I don't speak English again. But much, much more importantly, the Nismo Z will have a manual transmission. The Nismo Z is finally getting a manual, which it should have had from day one. It's too little too late, though, because... Is it? Yes. Yeah, dude. No one's buying this car.

This is the end of the Z. Do you have any epilogue you want to give to the Z? A eulogy, perhaps, or maybe an un-U-Ru, as you say? No, no, no, no, eulogy. I've never really felt that strong about the car. But I am excited to the Nismo, which by all accounts, drives quite well, will have a manual and be a little more. In 2003, when I was a 15-year-old, and the Z came out, changed the world.

Yeah. It was the coolest car on the planet. And the G-35 was the coolest other car on the planet. And this is, like, kind of a whimper. and you wonder if maybe Nissan should have put some money towards succeeding instead. Well, you know, a couple years ago, it was kind of exciting that they did anything with it.

I know that they reused the same 370 Z chassis and a lot of the same components to make Z, no number this time, a little bit more up here. And it looks great, it's a good-looking car. Don't see many of them. Maybe we'll see like two or three of these. Yeah. I'm sad because I believe that it is a wonderful car.

You've driven it. I mean, it's a very... competent car. Yeah. And it is just such a shame that it was too little too late with this thing. I mean, it's so cool. I suspect it will in the end make money. Ultimately, they were using the platform of the old car and a lot of the technology

the old car. Back at camera of the old car. But that trick can only be used for so long. And it does kind of show where we are with sports car. I mean, that's pretty clear that, right? Like you do one mid-cycle facelift. You let it run for another decade. The fact that they didn't even bother with a convertible also kind of gives you an idea of how they feel the success is gone.

and all the previous, many of the previous ease of at convertibles. But good news, new wheels. New wheels. You can get unreal green, as Filippo calls it. I don't know if you've noticed them. It's very hard to see in the picture, but the tires actually say Nissan on them. You can't really see it. Really?

If it says Nissan. How about that for you? I don't know if that's something that they're actually parting with or that's just Photoshop. I imagine that is just Photoshop. There's also a tan interior color. So green tan. That is the color color.

You know, many years ago, I was at the Porsche Museum there. And there's a Porsche with Porsche crests in the tires. Oh. And it also has the top. It's a zipper. Ooh. It's called the Pan America. You want to look it up?

No. Not really, but sure. Panamericana. I'm sorry, Panamericana. Okay. Now, you're thinking to myself, there's no way this car has Porsche crest and the tires and the top is a zipper. That's what you're thinking, right?

Right. Huh? Oh, this thing, yeah. Wow. There's the tires. Zoom on in. You can see the Porsche crest in my back. Man, what a car.

All right. And then you go to this, go to the, you can see the roof. You can see the zipper. That purple is one giant zipper and you can unzip it and drive it around. Yeah, I saw this one there at the museum. Are you sad that it didn't make it? I thought to myself, boy, this company's had some terrible ideas over the years. It's probably really late.

It's a wonder that this company still exists in any capacity. Look at it from the rear three quarters. That's the ugliest thing ever seen in my life. No, I've looked like it got hit. It's somewhere between a 9-9-9-3. Probably it got hit because it lost traction due to the fact that the fact that the the tires are Porsche crests. Also, those are some wide tires.

Well, it has no body. It has no body. Of course they look like. But the top is very light. Yeah, yeah. But right up until your zipper gets some stuff in it and then you can never use it. Exactly. Like a YJ.

You have to take it to the zipper guy. He's a zipper guy. Wow. All right. I don't know why that came up, but I owe the tires. Love port. Yeah, sure. Good reason if any.

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is coming to America and was just revealed, which is the VLE. We've now gotten confirmation that there'll be a M-Boc VLE, or the M-Bach V-L-L-S, actually. Wow. It'll be larger than the VLE, obviously, you know, VL E, VOS. Maybe it'll be a VLC someday. VOG.

But it will be, all we know is that it will be a purpose-built VAP shuttle, and we think that it will have a lot of screens. Well, that, and we can move on to the next new story. It's very compelling. Wow. How exciting. A purpose-built VIP shuttle. So you don't have to build one yourself.

A lot of people have converted the metris into, like, a Mybok metric. You reviewed one. Yeah. Now Mybach will make a large van themselves. Their own van, which looks better and it's going to be better. A my bike van.

This is going to be, it's $200,000 is the number that's being bandied about. Yeah, pretty big, but it's a purpose-built VIP shuttle, and most importantly, I can't wait to review one

because that video is going to blow up. Sean, that month, Sean's going to be like, yeah, we hit the numbers, yeah. And also about two years after it comes out, you can buy for $55,000. Yeah, but can you imagine.

Imagine Filippo all this stuff. There's going to be a fish tank in this thing. There's better be. There's better be. There's better be. And it'll have a hundred miles range. Do you think they would ever do an AMG version of it and give us the R-63 back in our lives? Wow.

Wow. I bet they could. They will make a VL-L-A-M-S with EQ technology AMG. Perfect. Some combination of those words. Right, only 75 characters for the name. You don't think this is pure electric? Of course it is.

They'll still call it with EQ technology, won't they? No, no. It's Mibok-Boc. It's VLS with EQ technology. No, no, because the electric, pure electrics, the don't share body platform. I'm wondering if it isn't going to, is the van fully electric? Do we know these vans?

Like the ID buzz? The VLE has been revealed as fully electric. The VLS is technically different models. We don't know. Man, you know what I hope they have? I hope they have cobblestone flooring. I bet they will. That's, that was, there was a, I believe it was a Cadillac

that had that at one point. Yeah, famously. It was a rare option. Only ones come to market with it. Be nice to see that here in the van. Next news story, please. All right. Jerry McGovern.

Jerry McGovern. He formerly of Jaguar. And Jaguar Land Rover, this is... Sure. You are not giving enough... He designed the defender. He designed the new Rangervers. He's done it all.

He designed the new defender. Jerry McGovern did a lot of stuff. And he's just announced... that he's leaving Jaguar Landover. We reported about six months ago that he had been fired. And then like two weeks later, they were like, oh, no, he wasn't fired.

No, no, no, you're wrong. Oh, sorry. Well, now he's finally decided he's retiring. He's 70 years old. He's going to move on to his own. He's starting his own consultants. What all car designers do when they retire from car designing, they're going to do a consultancy

where they do a little bit of work designing the finishing touches of breadmakers. For a lot of money. For a lot of money. Works out. And Jerry McGobert, and he's designed some of the all-time great vehicles, including, and this is what it says on his Wikipedia, he was the lead designer

of the critically acclaimed Land Rover Freelander. That was a good-looking car. Folks, we're losing this great mind to designing breadmakers. This is, this is, if we sold a Freelander, we have, of course. How lovely. It's a good-looking car. Gary McGovern, that orange reflector, same as my Ford G-T. I remember when these came out, and they were great-looking cars.

I love Freelander. You know, that's true. They were actually good looking. For the era of that you'd be, it was popular. It's funny how they all disappeared. That's not Asian weather. Well, they all disappeared because they were notoriously unreliable. Horrible cars.

Absolutely horrible cars. In fact, if you bought this one, I'm sorry. I had a friend in Italy whose mom had a Freeland when they came out. They were rich, obviously. I remember in Philly, there was one in a consulate with a time console plates and it was a manual diesel. That's right. Those days were. By the way, there are a couple of other pieces of Jaguar News out this week.

Oh, yeah. Ian Callum, who was a design director from 1999 to 2019, and a famous person, revealed that they had designs for a new XF, a new XJ, a redesigned F-type, and a redesigned F-Pace that were ready. I don't know if they were ready from an engineering perspective. But they were ready and they were going to move forward. And then at the end, they scrapped them all for the type zero-zero-zero concept.

Now, I want to be deferential to Ian Callum because the man designed one of the all-time great vehicles ever, the Volvo C70. Which, Jen. The good one. Yeah. I mean, like, yeah, he does not quite a few good cars. V. Advantage.

Yeah, I was like it was Peter Horbord. No, it's both of them. Regardless. Ian Callum did the DB7, too, which we have to give the man his credit. That is the finest $18,000 car you can purchase. Are they that much? But, no, he did the F-type, which I think actually was a true contribution to modern car design, and a bunch of other beautiful cars.

Yeah. Those cars wouldn't have sold. So, like, it's great that they came up with, everybody's so upset with Jaguar for going in this new direction. They were failing. A new XF wasn't going to be it. If they had come out with a new XF, it wouldn't have been like the savior of the company. It wouldn't be sitting here being like, Jaguar is good now.

They redesigned the XF. Yep. Good looking car, though. Yeah, it was good looking. They sold six of them. You know what was also a good looking car? The E-Pace, but nobody's ever seen one. No, the E-Pace was not a good-looking car.

You don't like the E-Pest? Stubby little thing. Ian Callum didn't touch that, I promise you. Regardless, Jaguar. Jaguar, we'll see how that all shakes down. Again, been more than a year. We're still waiting for their new product on slot to come. I have a suspicion of me waiting for a long time.

In the meanwhile, Land Rover dealerships are still rocking. They still have good products, such as the Discovery Sport. And the Evoke. Sorry, the Valar. The Valar and the Evoke have been forgotten about. Land Rover has forgotten that they produce them, but I'm here to tell you that they do. there is still a new evoke right you can fill out yeah okay next news story please uh Mercedes-Benz for those of you truly notice we're not actually a Porsche podcast we're a Mercedes-Benz podcast owner owner

we love Mercedes-Benz they have announced that you remember this came out last year they announced that they were doing a concept AMG GT track sport not track leisure track sport yeah all right so now they have announced that they're going to do a black series a new black series we haven't had one since 2021. So we're kind of due, and then they're going to do a homologation version of that for GT racing specifically,

which is really cool. Now, they've been talking about this for a while. We still don't have a lot of details on this. You should have read the press release. It was unbelievable, very difficult to read.

Yeah, I had it pulled up. It was complicated. What was the 2021 black series? The AMGGGGT black series. It was a number growing lock. Yeah. Yes, that is a serious car. It's a very serious car.

That is a no-joke car. It looks modified from the factory. It's insane. Pull it up. That was a really desirable, cool, special car. We see a mechanic. Yeah, really? Huge wing. Yeah. You don't remember this? It's set the Nureberg ring production time. It may still stand

That thing. Oh, that was called the black series. I thought it was called There were various versions of that AMGGGT, but the top top top top top top top top top top top top Toppy was the black series. And it is wild one of the craziest wings ever put on our roadcar Until actually until the new GT3RS to be honest with this. Look at that wing. It's crazy But anyway, a new black series is coming and I do think it's cool that they're going to home all get it and go G2 3 racing with it. Now, they're testing the car currently. They've tested at the Nordchlefer, they've tested at Portaumount, a couple of the European tracks.

So they're getting closer. Development is certainly getting there. It's going to have a V8 engine, which is lovely to hear. But we do have a ways to go on this. They said the GT through will be allegedly ready for the 2007 racing season, so we're close. So some stay in the space. We'll certainly

see more. It gives a little credibility to the car. The previous Black Series had serious credit because of the Nurberg ring time. It was a cool car. But going racing gives credibility to the car. Obviously, Mercedes-Benz for 20 years now has been looking at the 9-11 thinking, how do we get in on that?

And they've been trying and trying and trying. And it's never really been successful. But this is one way to do it, is to go racing and then create a car based on the racing car. Obviously, Porsche does that with their GT3 and GT3RSG massive success financially and weightless and reputational. All homologation cars are cool. But you take for racing, they're all cool.

G.R. Yaris. Yeah, yes, that is a very... GER, y'rs. Yep. But this I'm excited about, I love seeing another Black series come to the lineage. So we'll see where this develops, but in the meantime, it's coming. And they gave us some colors, too. Now, I actually, by the way, the new AMGGT is essentially an SL coupe.

It's not the most desirable car. It's not as cool as the previous gen. However, I think it looks better. And I do think that a GT version of the current AMGGGGG probably will look really cool. These spy shots give a preview of it, and they look pretty cool in the spy shots. They do. Hopefully they don't offer this color scheme. Maybe they should.

You know what? Someone is going to recreate this. In Miami, they're going to drive around looking like this. Totally. But, all right. Next news story. So Rolls Royce has also announced something new. So they are introducing their coach build collection.

Now, I don't know if you remember the sweet tail and the boat tail. Do you remember those? Absolutely. I think about them all the time. So they are now offering something along those lines. They're being a little bit cagey about what it is, but they said they wanted to bring their clients closer and bring them behind the scenes, to be close to the engineers and experience. I love this. They said extreme weather.

conditions in their cars. Exactly what every Rolls-Royce owner wants. Makes no sense. The press release on this is one of the crazier ones I've read. But they said they said that we welcome into the attiliates of master craftspeople from adjacent worlds within super luxury whose dedication to perfection mirrors that. Rolls-Royce. Quite a quote.

Con. Bay-I-P-R the worst combination that has ever existed in corporate world. I couldn't agree with you. It was just hard to read. But nonetheless, I do think. it is cool they're offering more a tillier program now hoping what this means is they're going to do a lot more it's everything they said is going to be based on the electric like that's the which makes sense for they've said that they will be fully homologated and road legal throughout

the world and so started with e v makes that so much easier exactly but to do i love the idea of going back and doing coach building like traditional one-off i mean that's give me a dario frankeety oh dario's got yeah dario no says car driver, he's got a Rolls-Royce wraith with a shooting brick. Yes. And let's do that. I'll take a Spector shooting break and I'll pay up to 125,000.

Oh, 10x that and you're maybe in the ballpark. I don't even think. I can't only imagine what these things are going to cost. I don't think Dario paid one to five. They've said that the Cudge Bill collection will only be offered to clients with a deep affinity for Rolls-Royce design. In other words, very rich and probably. In other words,

anyone they can who's willing to do it and has the money. Yeah, exactly. That's a translation of that if you needed to hear. Yeah, deep, deep pockets. But nonetheless, very cool. And Rolls Royce as a brand makes a lot of sense to do this with. By the way, they also said that there'll be people that participate will be able to join the engineers at top secret test facilities.

What top secret test facilities do you think Rolls Royce has? Top secret. Yeah, top secret. What are they developing there, a new ash tray? Right. Top secret. They're developing a new knurling technique. God, what a press release.

Rolls-Roy is really trying to get people into the whole thing. Yeah. The British have that mystique, though. All right, is that our last news story? That is the end of the news. There is. Say it. All right, after almost six years of...

Six years. Touching every single auction that comes on Carson Bayside. I touched them all. You've wrote many Dougs takes. You edited many, many Doug's takes. The Doug's take is going away. We're getting rid of the Doug's take this week. By the time you watch this, it won't be gone, but it's going to be gone.

Starting. Monday. Hallelujah. We've been writing these dugs takes forever. So when the Dugs Take first came out in the auctions, I wrote a little blurb. Yeah, pull up, pull up the Daytona. I wrote a little blurb about every car that went live. And usually it was like, this car is cool.

Hold on me find your first car because I'll find the very first auction that we did. And it was always like, oh, we got something going on. There it is. New 63. First auction. There's my first Dug's take. They started out pretty tame. They started out so cold.

Often they were just a sentence or two. They were cheeky. They were funny. But as we've grown and we're now. selling like 50 cars a day. It's kind of the point where it's not feasible to write anything meaningful. How many E3-9M-5s we sold? How many E-46m3s we sold? Where you talk about the S-54-6-cylinder and their tumbling prowess. I could say something different about every E3N. We'll move. And he says some of us, I have, and he takes it all out. But ultimately, it just

is not value additive anymore. Our community tells us they don't really read it anymore. They've become too generic because it's not really easy to add that much value. And so we're taking the Dugs takes out. Also, the comments, the community has grown so much that the comments provide what the Dugs take was intended to provide in the first place, which is like sort of this kind of personal, interesting tidbit. But the commenters know more about the individual cars than me. And so the Dugstakes going away. Will it appear on any like really special cars? No, but I've decided I'm going to comment more because I want to still make sure that I see all the cars. I still want to look at all the auctions. It's very important to me with 35,000 auction, something

like that. Yeah, just about 36,000 pets. So, you know, it's still important to me. So I'm still going to be there and I'm going to try to comment more and like really be a part of it. But I'm certainly not. It just got silly that I'm every 100 series land cruiser, I'm talking about the combination of luxury and reliability and off-road capability. It's just not even believable. It's like silly. Fundamentally it's become a blocker to sellers, right? Like, you do an incredibly good job of touching everything on listing quickly. But it takes off an extra day. I'm traveling. It takes. And so the cars are going to be able to go through the process about probably about a day quicker on average since I don't have to,

we don't have to wait for Doug anymore. And you get time back every single day to make better content, to make more content. I actually bet in the end I won't get time back because I'm still going to just be perusing the listings to try to leave a little comment on the ones that I find the most interesting. But I think even that will be more appropriate for the purpose that Doug's take originally had.

Like I'm actually saying something about the cars that are interesting, saying interesting things about the cars that are interesting rather than dropping on every car. Like, oh, it's finished in this cool color. car fax. It's offered with the thrill of no reserve. That's right. That's right. It just got too generic. And I don't think anybody's going to mourn the loss of this. But we wanted to tell you about it. Nope. I've been doing this for six years and for five of those have been begging to get rid of the Doug's take. I'm glad that it's, I'm glad that you will have some more freedom and you will still

be involved with the cars. You're not going anywhere. So that's right. It's exciting. Now, we have a big talk cars segment to do. But first I want to tell you the taught cars segment is brought to you by the mega track. I'm sorry. I'm familiar, but I'm sorry. Can it pull up the mega track, please? No, no, trust me, we've never seen one of the... I figured.

Okay, just take that. Have you ever heard of this? No. All right, the mega track. This is part of my... Was like CK? No, no, space. Mega is actually the brand.

The mega track. Pull up this picture. Yep. There's some picture. Oh, here. Pull up this picture. Pull up the one. Yes, this.

The Mega Track was an off-road supercar that I believe was French, and they made maybe 10-12, and it's huge. To be fair, why is that car's there because I think it's another mega. But it's like the small mega.

But it's lifted. So that's nice. That's even worse than like the big mini. It had suspension set. I pull back out. There's other great photos. The Mega Track. Look at this.

This photo here, The mega track is actually in the background. You don't realize it, but it's huge. What powered this thing? I don't remember. This one here, on plates from Vienna in Austria. Oh, there, that picture. That one is seen in Monaco sometimes, but that picture, you can see how big it is.

Next to an F40. It's like laughable. It's like truly embarrassing. It was supposed to be an off-road supercar. Of course, it wasn't successful at any. including selling, the mega track. How did you, where did this come from? He must have had some time to do some reading recently.

There it is in Monaghan. The talk car segment today, there's the Mega Track next to a Yukon Denali. And look how big it looks. Hold on that is very funny. These cars are both in Vienna. Look at this thing. Were those Audi or Porsche Taylor? Were those from a 960 or from an Audi A4?

The Mega Track was developed ground up by the finest connoisseurs. No, I mean my question. manufacturing well. That could go either way. The corporation of mega. This picture also, I think, really illustrates what the mega track was capable of. Wow. Do you have problems handling your supercar?

Do you accidentally enough up on road? Well, this one's the one for you. Exactly. You don't have to worry about it getting scratched or whatever because it can go anywhere and do anything. This was the sterato before the strato, although it was actually two storadoes. Size while. I mean, he's another one in normal traffic? I mean, look at that.

It's so ridiculously absurd. ridiculously absurd. Yeah, that one on Vienna plates is apparently seen around Monaco here and there. Someone's driving around. It's a 400 horsepower of Mercedes V12. Must have been terrible. Shout out to Schmey, who filmed that car in 20 a lot.

Yeah, shout out to Scheme. But he's filmed it going by. Someone's got to do a quirks and features. We've got to get a mega track video. There's a 959 next to. Let's get you to Austria. Let's get there. Those were the two off-road super.

That, by the way, the 143 scale portion. Still giant. Can't believe someone made a 143-scale mega-trai. 143 scale megatrack wouldn't fit on this table. They're funny. It's so much bigger than the phantom. It's so hard to understand the scale. Ridiculous, stupid.

The idiot car ever made you know, I love it. I love it so much. The Mega Track. I had no idea. I'm going to go read about this. You can do a deep dive. The company was called Axiom, but their line of vehicles was called Mega. And then the track.

And then the track. There were others. There was also. like the mega whatever and the mega, it wasn't just the actually a mega track. Wow. Yeah. Well,

thank you for that. That's a tough car segment. That's a great target. They're currently the leader in quadricycles in France. Oh, wow. Oh, they went from that. Which, A.K. the cars that teenagers can drive.

Yeah. You know what you do? You take your megatrack to the quadricycle dealership for service. Right. Quadracecle, quadricycle, quadricycle. Mega track. You pull up next to the shop, they're not big enough. The shop's not even big enough to fit the mega track.

I want you. I want you guys to know that they currently offer a mega product still, the Axiom brand. It is like a lifted... I want the track. In this picture, that's what that's the Lotus Europa. It's parked next to it. They're actually next to it. I want to talk about the scoutie evo.

I want to talk about Slate. You don't remember Slate? Of course. What are you going to say about this? Because I see what's right in the dock and I don't. I got a Slate story for you. It's a Slate story, but it's a Slate Slate Story. Nice.

I... Do you remember a couple of... A couple of months ago, they did that video where the CEO was like answered questions. One of the questions is, when can Doug DeMere review? Do you remember what her answer was? Whenever. Whenever he wants. So for the last two months, I've been working with the slate people trying to make sure out a day to review

it. And we've set on a date and then they bailed and pushed the date and we set a date. We bailed and pushed the date. Set a date. It's happened three or four times. And the most recent was, how about June or July? This is supposed to happen in February. Wow.

In addition to that, that woman is no longer the CEO. She's the president. She's the founder, no longer CEO, I hired a CEO. She's the president. And, of course, the price of these trucks has increased significantly, which is one of the problems when you kind of make your announcement around the pricing based on the incentives, which could go away. And so I wonder, whenever he wants to review it has now been push, push, push, push, like, how are we doing? How are we doing over there? I think the answer is not well.

I personally am hoping they do another Wes Anderson-style thing with she answers a bunch of questions because I really enjoyed that. But I really, I do want, everybody wants to see your review of this thing. So Juniors, when I say that means it's going to be fall. Yeah, the fall. The fall. The fall. Maybe winter. Well, that's the thing. It's like, what are we doing here?

Like, she said whenever we want. And then we were scheduling it. We had March 6 on the books. Jay Leno did it a month ago. Where's Doug? They're not afraid of Jay. I don't think they're afraid of Jay. Like, Jay drives the car.

He's like, ah, whatever. Tell me about the car. The CEO goes on Jay's video, talks about the car. That's right. Doug doesn't do any of that. Doug actually pokes into the things, and you watch Doug's prelude video, and you start thinking, maybe we don't give him any of these. Maybe we're a little nervous about what he's going to say. But that makes me nervous about the state of this company, and they obviously are probably also nervous because of the EV incentive no longer makes their product as compelling as it once was.

I mean, we talked about when they first announced it, producer Sean and I went up to Orange County to their launch party. That's right. And we talked about it that week, and we were a little skeptical that it would be an appealing proposition at the price they stated, which was, 20,000 with tax credit, some of that. So high 20s without. They've since said that they'll be in the mid-20s. Yeah. Or so they've lowered it a little bit, but no tax credit anymore.

It's not a compelling proposition at that price point. It's like the range is too low, the power's too low, the equipment's too low. That's right. Two-door. It's small. It's a niche segment. The Maverick exists. The Maverick exists for 30 with a four-door.

I could just go get a Volkswagen Severo. But I'm glad you went to the launch. You don't even say anything about that. I'm glad I went to the launch party because, Kenan also went to that launch party with Emily and afterwards was a lovely evening in Los Angeles for the two of them. We did not go to that, but yeah,

but Felipeo did get a tattoo while he was there because they were offering that tattoo booth. Do you remember the tattoo booth? I did not get a tattoo booth. Oh, that's unfortunate. I'm not a tattoo guy. But you could have commemorated when you got to see the slate. Anyway, I'm a little bit nervous. I did get some ice cream.

That's nice. A little bit nervous about the slate situation. As we all are. A little bit nervous. Yeah. Speaking of Slate and Amazon, who is a majority or minority partner. The other day, I'm driving around there, and I see an Amazon delivery truck with a Montana license plate on it. Huh. Now, we're not in Montana. Oh, no. We're in Southern California.

Interesting. Now, it was a Montana temporary license plate. Here's a theory. I'm going to give a theory. I'm not saying they're doing this, but here's what I would do. I thought it was Amazon trying to limit my tax liability. You set up a business in Montana. You buy the trucks from the Montana business. Which LLC creation business if they're using? I think they got their own. They're calling LLC. You buy the trucks in your Montana business.

And then after they've been titled in Montana no sales tax, you flip them to another state where you happen to sell the car for $1. And in that state, that's the price you paid. because your Montana business sold it to your California business for a dollar. That's just what I might do if I was trying to limit my tax liability, and I was a giant company. But it was interesting to me because California last week was cracking down on a dentist in Fremont for doing Montana on his eventador,

and here I'm driving this Amazon truck with a Montana plate, and I'm like, you know, that's interesting, and it's a temporary plate, so they're waiting for title. So the moment they get Montana title, what would you do if you were a large company trying to limit your tax line? I would be stunned if they purchase the trucks. They just lease them. They would lease them from themselves.

I mean, fundamentally, they would have a financier that is probably themselves own them. That makes it interesting. I remember most Amazon trucks have the digital California license plates. I don't want to speak to what's going on. It's interesting. Some people are asking questions. That's all I'm saying. It's a merely an observation.

The other interesting thing, the California license plates have finally switched to the new format. The end of the nine series has been reached. It started in 1980. They've switched. I got the very first one. The photo that you see... Never arrived. The photo that you see...

No, I have it. It's in my house. The photo that you see right now is me with the very first one. How did I pull it off? You'll never know. Did actually ever arrive? Yeah.

Wow. It was on the 4GT. It was registered to the 4GT for a little while. Right. I never put it on. I got the first one. So California has made us after... After 46 long years

in the same license plate format that Switch has been made. This is a massive news story, people. So up until now it's been number, three letters, three numbers. Yeah. And now it's what? Just flip the opposite.

It's really not interesting. But this is a big deal. Three letters, three numbers, one number. I'm only mentioning this news story because I got the first one. I'm not mentioning it for any other person. It's a big deal, period. Are you jealous that I have the first?

No, but I'm really sad that I never saw a 9 Y plate. Or 9. Z plate, rather. I actually haven't seen a 9 Y plate. You will see 9 Y's. I think like they skipped 9 Z. Do you... That's so sad to me. I wanted to see 9 Z.

Do you... Well, hey, if you were looking for three plates, you'd finally, you'll never see a 3Z either. Let me tell you something. Or a 1Z. Let me tell you something. Isn't 1C a truck plate? No.

Let me tell you something. As the person who got the very first one, I'm proud of the new format. Love it. Obviously, it all kind of started with me. Yeah. I consider myself the founder of the format, really. It's hard as a founder.

I wouldn't feel the California DMV They were going through It's like oh my God Somebody took it This guy I got the first one It was a random chase All right

I happen to walk into the Triple A office Down by my house In San Eucidro Modesto And there they were The previous guy got the last one And I got the first one

It was pure chance Are they starting with A-0-0-0-A-A-A-A-A? No, they're not. No, the first one is 0-0-0-0-A-1. We've been shown on the screen for the last 15 minutes. It's the second one. I meant to bring it in today, but I forgot, but it's at my house. No, the first number is going to be like the last number.

The last number is going to be like the first number was. Do you understand that? No. The last number is going to be like the first number was like the age identifier, basically. Right. So what play are they starting? Zero is going to be first. 0-0-0-0-0-0-1.

0-0-1. 0-1. I don't know. skipping some. No, they didn't skip. They gave me the first one. And by the way, it's zero, zero, zero, because California starts each series with zero zero, as some states do.

Are you happy about this? I think I got to go get a vanity plate and then return to a regular plate to get a new one. Maybe. I need to buy a card, maybe. So you're going to, the great irony of this is you can't put this on any card because then it looks like you just got it, which you disavow. At this point, California probably won't let me have this plate anymore. It's just going to be in my garage.

It's just going to go up on my garage. wall as a souvenir of the time that I started it all. Well, I'll say a couple of things. One, I didn't care at all about license plates until you came into it. And that's all I look at. It is helpful. Especially in California where they stay with the car. I agree.

Because you can tell who's a little sketch and who's not. But I feel that it is notable. I feel this is like a California thing to see the plate switch over. Like when you moved here is like to know what sequence they went to. And now we've all gotten to see them switch, like do the big switch that we've been waiting for. Yeah, big day for Felipe. So that's a big name. My 9-1-11 is WXP, 9 WXP.

Yeah, Philippa. That's really time to get it. What are you going to do about the wheels? Well, I'm selling my BBSs. I have a buyer for them. I have a buyer for them. He actually reached out by email like early on. What are you going to do about the wheels in the car?

They're gray painted. So my BBSs are sold. Yeah. I have to ship them out, but they're sold. My wheels, that were the OE wheels, were refinished by the prior owner, and he never put them back on the car. He refinished him in break dust. Unfortunately, there are a little...

That's exactly what? He just got him really brake dusty, and then he pp. And he didn't think about the center caps. The center cap aren't like that they're... So in this light, it's maybe acceptable. In other lights, it's not. At some point, I will refinish them. Now, here's the great...

He's not gonna. A, you're not going to. Never will. The time to do that was, oh, I don't know, when the car was on another set of wheels. That was the time. We didn't know how bad... You couldn't tell in the box how bad they were.

No, but you couldn't put those center caps in. I was getting a lot of pressure to change out the BBS. I now regret it and honestly wish the car was still on the BBS. No, I like the OE Wheels. So bad. Ryan's. Don't give us to Ryan. They're like just slightly gray.

They're a little gray. It's like it really messes with it. I will get them. Get them read on. The issue is that I don't want to go without the car. I drive the car every day and I want to keep driving the car every day. Do you drive? Yeah, definitely.

But you know what? Here's, some days I don't. Your pickup truck is on the way from Arizona. It's getting shut there. When that gets here, send the 9-11. and get the wheels fixed. At some point, you have to drive around

a carbureated, you have to sleep in the bed you have made and drive around a carburetick to buy new wheels for the pickup truck because there's 16 and a half when is the pickup from coming here?

It should be getting picked up today tomorrow. It's coming here this week. Yeah, maybe early next year. We're just finding this out now it's Wednesday when we're filming this. I have it as an item on here

for that reason. I think it was supposed to be here I've been here and it's going to be here this week for three weeks now. I paid for a shipper yesterday. It's coming. Damn.

So this is like real, real. Yep. I believe it was going to be a carbureated man like you. What do you have to say? I will be honest here. I need to get a titled. It does not need to pass a mog, which is great. And I do need to get new wheels and tires quickly because I can't really drive it that much.

I mean, you just mired in wheel and tire problems. It's incredible. Well, what's the wheel and tire is from this? Does it bolt up to other Ford wheels? I mean, let's throw on some of the Pope's fusion wheels. The Pope apparently had a manual fusion. Who did? I wish I did.

I almost bought one on Craigslist years ago. You and the Pope. I know. Probably ex-Pope. It was in Madison. You know what? Dude, it was ex-Pope. It could have been ex-Pope.

Man, you, oh, that's crazy. Dude, Pope John Paul. What Gen Ford Fusion? Because multiple gens had a manual. I think it was the 2010 that pre-re-re-designed, but like the good facelift. Yeah. That was the one of, I was not joking. Dude, you were bought an ex-Pope.

Pope, Pope, Pope, Pope, Pope, Pope, Pope, Pope, sold for like $2 million. This could have been you. Imagine the Ford Fusion, the worst car. You missed out. Love the Una. Or maybe the Vatican would want it back. Put it in the museum. There you go.

The truck is coming, though. Finding new wheels will not be a problem. It's a family process. So there are many of them. It's a family process. The family's got to be consulted on which wheels. How is that? All right.

I got so many questions. I'm just going to let you have that. Yeah, thanks. Appreciate that. They got a, hey, family, what does everybody? So we're going to take a family vote on which set of... Today's family meeting. $112 used wheels and tires we're getting.

If we're going to go down to Sandy C. Family, it's you and your wife are the ones that have this thing. All that matters is her. I don't think she cares about this. She's family. Yeah, of course she is. But I don't think she cares about the wheel. Other people.

Are they round? That would be her question. That would be an important component. I will say you can really screw up the wheels on that truck if you get the wrong ones. I agree. But you will undoubtedly do that. I want to be clear, it's also not on the OE wheels. It's on some, you know.

Oh, it's on some aftermarket. Yeah, from like the 90s. Get the 97. Can you pull up an Explorer, please? I will absolutely not get the, I know your wheels, not. I'm trying to say 97. No, no, no, on Cars and Bids, because that's, we're trying to push that website on people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's Cars and Bids.com. Cars and Bids.com. There's an app, I think. Yeah, it is. Just for your life. Go down, go down. The wheels I like, I like a lot of wheels, but the ones I want you to get, click on that Explorer.

Oh, yeah. Click on the red one. I don't want to see the white one. I want the red one. Yes. Oh, yeah. I liked these because they had sort of this, like, teardroppy, raindroppy situation.

They are cool. Are you a five-lug? Probably not. I honestly don't know. I don't know. Look at these things still on firestones. Wow. This is a nostalgia play.

You can drive around on your explorer and get killed. Don't look at the original tires. Jeez. Oh, my God. That looks like a map. That's really bad. Oh, Lord. Are those original tires?

How many miles do you just have on it? This one has. Yeah. When did we foist this on some unsuspect thing? 2000 miles TMIu, though. With a salvage tile? This is an unusual one. 10 G's.

How did this one not get cash for clunkered? Seriously. Don't you wonder? 2,000 miles, like, might be real. I mean, it looks pretty clean. That's how the seats look to O.E. Yeah, so that's a good... Filippo, grab those wheels.

Okay, Canon has much more to talk about... I don't know why we've been talking about... We've said you're talking about California license plates and Felipe's... Well, that's how it works. You guys talk and I listened. But we'll... Tell us about the SL-65. Yeah.

So I recently sold, as people know, my SL-65 on the cars and the bids, and it brought $60,000. Big money from it. It's all because of that fourth picture where you're cleaning off the... Well, that does have something to do with it. That is how I care from my car. Yeah. meticulously. But this car sold well.

The bidding more... It was bid up pretty quickly, if you look at, like, the actual bid history. And for the longest time, it was sitting at 45, and then it went to 47. But in the end, there were a couple more bids, and it ended up at 60. And the car's going to Dallas. One of the cool things... It's the air, isn't it? By the time this airs, it'll probably be about there.

Went on a truck, yesy. Went on a truck on Tuesday of this week. It was a cool story. The buyer was talking to me about it. So he wanted an SL-65, and his buddy has an SLR and an SL-65 in addition to a bunch of other cars. And it was a black on black and red car. And so he wanted to buy that, and his friend watched the video I did with Nick on the S-Liver's S-S-L-L-S-L-65. I can't say the SL-65, I have to keep them both.

They're both too good. Wow. And so then he ended up bidding on this car and he won it, and now it's in doubt. Look at this. It feels right. Look at this picture. Who took this picture? This is a Nick Stafford, Stafford Media.

That is real photographer. That's a great photo. This makes me want the car. And I already drove the car and had it around. I was a little disappointed in your video. You didn't give it the full, you didn't go full throttle in the car. What was I? You did like the...

When something interesting happened. Probably. But this car, the thing is, like, yes, I'm very happy to sell it. I'm happy it goes to good home. I'm happy to get a very good result on it. I will miss that engine. It is just one of the all-time great engines. And I will sing that thing praises until the end.

Canon's SL-65 has departed us. Yes, and the hunt is on for a viper. Kenan is legitimately looking for a viper. There are three people I am talking to, all with first-generation vipers, all red in various years, all three spoke, all side pipe. And so we'll see. I'm working together on a couple of, yes, there's an order.

I'm not in a rush, so I'm going to find the right one. But I am definitely on the hunt. Look, everybody has given me a lot of guff about this. It's like, oh, this car, the Mercedes is so much better on that viper. It's like, well, yeah, you're missing the point. Missing the point. We're experienced men. I want to experience it.

I want to be clear. I am likely not going to have the viper for more than six to, nine months. But I just, I have to have it. Like, I just, there's an itch that I have to scratch. I want to follow in Doug's footsteps. Yep. Get a manual V10. You'll be really good at putting the top on and off. So there's a fun fact about first genes. They came with a tonal cover on the first gen vipers across the dash. There are a bunch of little snaps. That is for a tonal cover that goes over the whole thing. So if you want to just cover the interior, you can't. Wow. So I'm going to get, and there's a zipper. So you can zip out just the driver's section. So is there

no roof at all? Okay. There is, of course, a roof, but it's a paid. That's a fun fact. But yeah, a lot of people, have you ever noticed that? Yeah. Yeah. So I figured you would have, but like, yeah, that's so. I kind of remember at the Peterson, maybe I even, I don't remember. They have that, they have like the fourth one made or something. Yes. You know what I was I was at my kids school there the other day?

You know, over there. Over there, over there, buy the thing. And I was walking up to pick up one of the kids there from the school. Yeah. And there was a school district van and it was an econo line. And on the side of it, it said Triton v10. And I'm thinking

to myself, how bizarre is it? That the people driving V-10s are Hurricane Gallardo R8 owners, LFA, Career GT, muscle guys and vipers, and then a school employee. The V-10

knows no bounds. Everybody has to experience it, whether it's in the truck. I, of course, have driven a U-Haul. My friend Talon has one. And how he's not a car person at all. He's had it in his high-time. He said a condo line? Yes.

He said at one point he put 27 friends in and drove down to the V-Tro, I'm sure it was very safe. But, like, yeah, because I hadn't seen this truck forever. And then he pulled up to this volunteer thing we were doing, and it said V-10 on. In today, it's so ridiculous. Young kids growing up today who become car enthusiasts are going to look back at those V-10 vans, like we look back at like those old Cadillac V-8s that were eight liters and made no power and be like, back in the grandpa's days, they were putting V-10 fans. It's so weird.

We lived through a great period of automotive history. We really did. But I am, again, just thrilled with the result. Thank you again for reviewing it. And I was very happy to represent this one. The car made it easy because it was a very good car. Do you think he's going to end up with a Viper? Yeah.

Are you pumped for this? Yeah. I think I would like for you to drive it. I would love to. Well, you'll be part of my friends drive my Vipers. Oh, I will this time? Yes. It wasn't this time.

And you can be too because you're not going to review it because you've already done a first-gen-Viper. I would do it again, especially if you got a ketchup and mustard. I should have bought that one. I have some mistake. It was sitting right there. But I had to, I want the three spokes. That car was so unruly.

I want the side pipe. It is. They are. They're so unruly. It's laughable. You know, another thing I did recently, I went to Texas through the Porto Hill Country rally, which I'll talk about it a little bit in a second. But what I maybe realized is how much I love classic cars.

I really love them. And the Viper is this unusual blend of classic and modern because it has like fuel injection. You can be diagnosed and they're pretty reliable and no carbs, nothing like that. But it's so raw and visceral. and it is about just driving. Nothing else, just driving, and admitted to the driving situations you get into a little scary with that car.

But that's what it is about one thing, and I just respect that, and I love that, and I want to experience it. And it is a very different experience from E39 and 5, which the SL-65 also was, but maybe not in the right way. Like, it was more relaxed, more easy, more serene,

like not, but the Viper is going to be like, you already have some of that stuff in E-39. Like, the Viper is going to be so, like, just, you've got to connect with, You've got to handle that car. The M5 is good at, like, it does a bunch of things, and it's just like taking the slider and stretching on one of those. In the SL's case, it was performance and luxury.

And the Vipers case, it's going to be rawness. Yeah, it ain't performance. Rawness. It's still pretty, I mean, it's a lot of power in a lightweight car. Groundhog over here. Sean, producer, Sean. Yeah. Sean at Cars and Bins.com.

He hadn't liked the Viper. No, but Sean has what we call hot takes. In some friend circles, we know him as hot take Sean. And he is often wrong. So we're going to find that. I know he hates the viper. The thing about the viper you once said that a great car should be loved

and hated in equal measures by people. That's how you make a truly awesome car. And the viper is that. Some people love it. And the people love it, really love it. And people hate it, really hate it. It is, it is, it is, I was sitting in a light the other day next to Harley

and I was watching the, I was watching the whole thing shake. And I was thinking myself, German and Japanese bike enthusiasts, who see this, laugh at how unrefined it is. Meanwhile, that's exactly what attracted that fella to that bike. Yeah. Is the rumble. And that's the viper.

Like, Sean's over here. His bad-colored G-Wagon is behind us. He's shooting from his high, holier-than-now German car, European car brand. She's got three European cars. Since I've known him, he's had five European cars. Guys, just one of these coastal elites. Meanwhile, you, man of the people with your rumbly thing. Born and bred in the Midwest.

baby. So like I, yes, I've also only owned European cars. Okay. And I want to own an, but I want to own an American car. Like I, and I just think that it is, I just think they are as cool as it comes. I just think they're the best. So, tell us about the Porsche rally. I'm going to pull up a picture of the Viper so we can just stare at one way.

Yeah, leave that up while you talk. Yeah, yeah, perfect. That's a great one too. That's a great. Actually, this rear three, look at that. That's a cool car. It's a cool car. Anyway, I went to, you'll never.

I went to Texas with some friends of mine from New Orleans to go drive in the Porsche Hill Country rally. Now, this is a rally that takes place every year just outside of San Antonio in the Hill Country. And it's focus. Some rallies can go to and it's kind of a car show. Like, this was not that. We showed up and there were 374 cars, a lot of them at this hotel. But the thing was, they're all Portion Bar cars. So, 1989 and Ford Porsche.

So that's 9-11, 914, 356. 1989 and older. 1989 and older, correct. What I realized when I got there is that it is a classic car event, and it is focused on driving. By the time we get up in the morning at like 7.30, the parking lot would be almost completely empty. Wow.

All those cars were out just driving. They gave us these great routes to drive. You could drive at your own pace. You chose when you left. There was no organization around. They didn't dictate when you had to drive. Yeah. And so it was just a bunch of people out there driving these old Porsches.

And what I realized is like, those cars can really take it. Like, it is a classic car. I was in a 1973 9-11E, which just made the most glorious sound. You know the beginning to Lamont when Steve McQueen is driving his 9-11? Does anybody know? People will know what I'm talking about. That's what it felt like. It was just bruh and visceral.

And I'm losing my mind. The video's coming out about this soon. But it was just like we really use those cars, 450 miles in less than two days. Not strong. And people drove from all over the country. A group of guys drove up from Monterey, Mexico, with a bunch of cars.

People came from California. Drove to... Yeah, Paul Kramer drove with a group. They only did 100 miles on highway. Everything else was back road. Got there, drove some trouble. And drove back again. Do you...

Are you a Porsche man now? Like, Spike? So, here's the thing. I realize that it's coming for me. Like... Oh, my God. It is coming for me. Oh, my God.

However... Take mine. However, I am going... I would... What I realize is most these people, they just liked cars. It just happened. to be Porsches. They actually were exactly what we liked. They weren't obsessed over the little

deviators. They were driving the things and they were driving them well and as they were intended to be and using them. People were fixing stuff in the parking lots. It was just, that was real automotive enthusiasm. I think that is the future of car events to go and use them the way they're supposed to be used. That was the most pure automotive event I have ever been to. And I absolutely loved it and I plan to go back next year. But I know that I'm going to end up with a Porsche at some point. In the meantime, Felipe and I, I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm not trying to be a jerk. to you. I really am not. But Felipe and I prefer the rare shades vent where we look at the

cars are parked on plinths and we look at very similar identical Porsches that just happen to be slightly different versions of gray and brown and we talk about how cool that brown is compared to a different brown. That's what people and I like to go to. You're a Keseekees guy. There were a couple of cars

there that were like so nice they weren't driven on their other cars that they could just go cane, which I thought was really cool. So I have to say, and I'm very grateful to everybody. came up and said, hello, a lot of people were surprised. I was there, like, what are you doing here? Well, I'm becoming a Porsche person. And I'm grateful to my friends who brought their cars, let me drive,

and the New Orleans crew was great. And we just had a great time. So I highly encourage people to get out there, go to driving events. They are the most fun. I agree with that. And on the subject of driving events, I want to move on to the market report.

We have two very short things to cover before we have to move on to questions, which are going to be short today. I'm sorry. The market report is brought to you by the Suzuki Across. The Suzuki Across. Yeah, pull up the Suzuki. We don't. We sold one.

I don't. No, no, no. The Suzuki Cross, Filippo, do you want to tell it? No. Tell the audience. I'd rather not engage. The Suzuki Cross is a, it's a, it's a four-wheeler. Pull up this picture, actually, of it, I think, is the best one.

That's the last one I like. The Suzuki Cross, that's a four-wheeler. It's a very... And that it has four-wheels? It's a very competent, capable, off-road vehicle, and you have never seen this body design before. No. This is brand-new. car, Suzuki across, totally distinct from any other automobile.

And you can tell that it's a Suzuki and not something like a Toyota because the center caps have the Suzuki logo on. That's right. And ignore the fact that the plug-in hybrid badge is the same as you might see on some Toyotas that would Toyota copied that from the Suzuki. Man, you've had, oh my God. Did you get shot? What is that?

Go to the, pull up the Daytona. Oh, yes. So this is another thing we have to talk about. So a couple of, I can't spell today. A couple of weeks ago, after Moda, I went and drove this. Are you aware of this? Are you aware of this? Yes.

Daytona. What an unbelievable car. Now, I started working with cars and bids six years ago yesterday. Happy six years. Thank you. And I have, since we started, I have dreamt one day that we would have a car like this on the side. And here it is. A Ferrari Daytona.

You've had two intoshes. Well, yeah, but I'm more of a... Better than every guy. I'm a Ferrari guy. Daytona's on site. It is absolutely beautiful, breathtaking. What was it like to drive there? So special.

Surprisingly agile. Once you set the chassis unicorn and then you go, I mean, a fully independent suspension in the 1970. And this engine, the Colombo V-12, is one of the most magnificent things. As I'm sure you know. Of course. Yep, the Tipo. Yeah, anyway.

Well, forget it. I'm not going to waste my time. But just to hear the carburetors, like, it just makes such a wonderful noise. And the power is good. The steering, everybody said, when you're not moving, if you have to do a dry turn, like no motion, very heavy. But once you are moving,

I thought every engagement point with the car was wonderful. It really is a special automobile. And it just felt solid. It felt like I could have driven that car back from Seattle to California, like genuinely. That would have been. So beautiful. Maybe someday.

Every time I see a Daytona, which is pretty much only at car events, I'm astonished by just how special it is. It is a very cool car, very special vintage Ferrari. It is the link between vintage Ferrari and more modern Ferrari. It was this design that sort of took them out of the, you know, taller grills and wirewheels era and kind of move them into the more swept back cars that we kind of more, even to this day, more than know is the Ferrari design.

It was the last Ferrari had Bronis after that. And they offered mags at the time. Yep. It was get them. It was literally the link between that way. It was literally. But from a design perspective, too, it was clearly Ferrari going more model. And then after this, for 30 years, they were mid-engine.

And then they brought the 550 back, which this car was in, there was a car in driver magazine, where they, like, at the issue, where they compared. This and the 550 Marnello. And there's a lot of similarities. If you really look at it on paper, there's a lot of... But one last thing I'll say in this, because I know I'm talking a lot today, but the stiffness of the drive train is unbelievable.

Like, because it's a torque tube, so it's secured at the front and the rear, and the transmission's at the back, the trans axle. Yeah. It just, when you get on it, the whole thing is tight. And so you get on it and it goes like this, it just rocks back, and then you monster off down the road.

Sean, we've got to get a Daytona in the office. It's pretty special. Who wouldn't want that? I will say go watch Kevin's video on the Cars and Beds YouTube channel. Yes, thank you for my new movie. Sean, if you want me to get a Daytona, you've got to get one here so I can drive it.

Bit on this one. Bit on this one. But there it is. We went and we drove the car, and it was just the coolest thing. I had the greatest time. And it was a chance for me to meet a hero of mine. I've jumped of that car since I was a kid.

And it was far exceeded my expectations. And whoever ends up with this car is very lucky indeed. Daytonas have not been appreciated the way that they deserve to be. And I hope that that that change. because it is just look at the thing. Yeah. Okay, unfortunately, there's no other time for more market report stuff

that we wanted to talk about Exteros. We wanted to talk about 987, 360, we had a good 360, pull up the 360 result. We got to move on to questions. We're not going to talk about the 360 results. Pull it up. It's just gonna sit here. It's just gonna sit here and you're gonna look at.

It's a high mile car too. Questions, of course, are brought to you by cars and bids. Cars and Bids is the leading authority on cars and on bidding. If you want a bid or if you want cars, you go to Cars and Bids. Dot com there. We have an app too, Felipeo? We do.

Yeah, we have an iOS app. And if you've been asking about an Android app, stay tuned. Stay tuned. That's soon. My God, he's telegraphing. There's a future here. It's like minutes ago, I got an email

inviting me to join our Android testing. It's like when Stefan Winkleman said they might do a 2 plus 2. Oh, oh, this is that level of, oh, my God. Much more certain and much sooner. I hope this gets covered in all of the industry publications. Anyway, from a OMG 4. Fas. First question. Oh, and remember, you can ask questions. Go to cars and bids.com, click on the community tab. The next pod is with Sean. We don't, there's not going to be a

questions thing for it. After that, you can ask questions. First question is from ONG Fazz, release the Saturn files. I want to talk about this because people have been asking me about it. You want to tell the story? No. All right, here's the story. Go back to the fall of 22. Is that what it was? Yeah, it's been a lot. Summer of 22. The fella sold his 430 scooteria on cars and viz. I remember the car. You reviewed it. Really nice guy.

He lived up in, you know, somewhere. And he was great. And he said, hey, listen, he said, since you're up here, he said, I also, as a nostalgia thing for my childhood, I bought a 1992 Saturn. And it's pristine. Do you want to review it? And I was like, yeah, sure. So I did the scoot, sold the scoot on the site, whatever.

Then I did the Saturn. Same day. And the Saturn video has never. found a date to go live. I, by the way, legitimately love the Saturn. I sell. We've auctioned a Saturn S.L. We actually had the Saturn video on the calendar over last summer, but I pulled it off for something else.

Yeah, I love, this is not the car. I love the Saturn I sell. The curved rear glass. Anyway, any whom, that's the formal way to say any who. Will it will ever be shown to the public? I don't know. What do you think? Like, my thinking is, Sean wants us to put it up at some point, probably to stop all the good, annoying comments. Plus, to see 2022 Doug, it's been a while. Been a while. No beer and you don't have a beer. Just give me a shot. Your hair was longer or shorter? The, yeah, no, it will be interesting. I will put it up at some point. The problem is basically this.

We now have, we ever since then, more or less, we've switched to this new format where on Tuesdays, I put up video reviews with brand new cars. and on Thursdays they put up video reviews with cars that we're selling on cars and bids. And the Saturn is neither. And so it's been hard to find a spot for it. You know, I get emails from the automakers almost every day. Like, hey, you filmed this car three months ago. Why is the video gone up yet? It's like, okay, we've got to put that up.

Or, hey, this car's got to go live because the seller needs it to be sold. So that video's got to go up. And they all have a higher priority than the Saturn. But it's out there. Can I... Okay, Mr. Beast. One of the top creators on YouTube and Amazon. Jimmy.

Jimmy. Has a thing where he, like, pre-recorded video. for like Jimmy five years from now, 10 years from now, whatever. And also for once after he dies. Oh, wow. Have you considered just kind of saving that for that fateful, unfortunately? I haven't. If it comes up, you get it.

April the 1st falls on a Tuesday, or on a Thursday, I think. So, release it then. Maybe I'll release it for the five-year anniversary of filming it next year, which is probably September. That's what you should do. That's who. Sean has popped up the gopher. The thing is, I want to.

put it up. What? What, Sean. We should sell us shirt. We should sell us shirt. Check out. Between Sean and Felipe, the Cars and Bins promotion. Birch.org.org.org.org.org.com. I want to, I'm going to put it up at some point. I got to find a slot for it. It initially was like, ah, it's been a year. There had been videos that waited a year. And then there was that video that waited a lot longer.

And I got to find a place to put it. But it's been hard. Only fans? They're going big into non-Vat creators. Next question from row 76. Tell us about the mega track. Oh, you're in luck. No, I'm kidding. But man, pretty cool, right?

Roe 76. When are we getting Ryan on the pod? Ryan, I'd love to have him on the pod. Normally he sits and watches the pod, but we haven't been keeping his interest today. He's just gone out of that. I don't need to do any of these jerks. Someday, Ryan will go on the pot. I think pretty soon, actually, Ryan's planning to be on the pot.

I would love to have Ryan on the pod for a lot of reasons, mainly to kind of get inside his head, get inside his psyche and see what's all going on in there. Let's see if we can get an explanation. And he golfs. I mean, he's an interesting fella. He golfs, you can talk about it to him. I don't know.

You don't talk about it to all. Golf is interesting. That's definitely what our audience wants to hear. More golf. Felipe, you want to have Ryan on the pot or no? Of course. Kenner? Yeah, I like Ryan.

All right. I get to be in videos with Ryan. I'm lucky. That's true. You're around Ryan more than all of us. Ryan, by the way, you can find them most Mondays on the Cars and Mids YouTube channel. Check out the Cars and Mids YouTube channel or channel. Key, go to Key, you see Ryan Lopez 24-7.

Right now, well, depending on your little shit, the next two hours, you'll see a video with Ryan on the Key Channel. You can even ask him about his hair in the comments. Okay, next question. Next question. Dear Doug from One Cheap, 987, Dear Doug, you've mentioned several times you hated work, for an OEM and you pity everyone who works for an OEM. If you're forced to pick an OEM right now, who would you choose for?

I do not pity people who work at OEMs. I think people who work at OEMs, OEM being car companies, headquarter car companies. I do not. I've definitely never said that I pity people who work for OEMs, ever. I promise I've never said that. The OEM that I worked for, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I definitely have some pity there, which was Porsche. It wasn't my best job, let's put it that way. Let's just say if I had to walk behind Felipe cleaning up all of his slop, that might also be a better job than the one I had. I don't know. We're off the rails at the state. It's all over.

Felipe, have you ever thought about working for a car company? No, not really. I'm a startup guy through and through. And even the startup car company, go for Luzon. Even the startup car companies are a hundred times larger than I want my company to be. Go work for telos. dude.

Tello small. Tello small. Just like the truck. Just like the truck. Does the telotruck drive. If you were forced to pick an OEM to work for right now, who'd you choose? Buick. Next question.

You and Mary Bark and hang out. Buick. Next question. This is a very interesting question. From Ricky Marquez. Will the manual Panama go up in value in the future? This question makes an interesting presumption that there is a manual panamaa. Was there?

Okay, so here's an interesting thing that a lot of people don't know. When the Panamara first came out in 2010, Porsche made manual transmission, rear-wheel-drive panamaras, both the V6 and the S. There are manual Panama S, never sold in the United States.

This question asks, there's only 146 of the made, will they go up in value? One time I was in Stuttgart at a business meeting when I worked for Porsche, the job that was similar to cleaning up Felipe's slop. And I remember right at the factory there in Zuffinhausen, which is also a suit guard. No one knows why they're called both, but they are. You, there's a car, there's a

Porsche dealer right there at the factory. And one time I remember after the meeting ended, I was waiting for a ride back to the hotel or whatever, and I walked into the dealer, and there's a Panamara ass sitting there on the showroom. Wow. I looked inside, and it was a stick. And I was like, I knew it existed, but I was like, oh my God, this is so crazy. They killed it real quick. Yeah. But it claims only 146 made, probably most of which for V6s. I think the S is probably the rare one. How cool.

What a cool thing. Do you think it'll go up in value? I don't know. 928's never one up in value. You know, Kyan's in. But Kyan certainly have. Yeah, but it's still not over a sticker. Like that one green one, but other than that.

Also, there's only, I think, in the U.S. Yeah. I may know Kyan. That's true, but also, I imagine if someone, one day, if Nick is still being crazy, many, and what's that? You said 2010, so we got to wait until 2035. It's not that far off. Yeah, it's already 16 years old.

It's nine years away. They're legal in Canada. You could bring a manual Panama to Canada today. If you can find one. Nick could figure out a way. Godspeed. If you can find one. Surely it was whoever wanted the cheapest Panama.

Maybe. I mean, there were probably people who bought S's. They looked cool because like the Career GT, the Panamara had the shifter up high. So it was like a high mount shifter. Yeah, see if you can pull one up. Manual Panama. See if you can pull up an image from the interior.

They're out there. Wow. Right hand drive and left hand drive. That does not surprise me. There you go. Look at that. They're out there. They exist.

Wow. Good shift to position. They exist. You want one of these? Kind of, yeah. I do. You know, the sad thing, the truth is, the dual clutch was such a good trans for that car. Swappable, though. Probably not.

Why not? Because it's a dual clutch. We know you've got to swap entire transmission. Okay, yeah. Buy an $8,400 automatic Panama, spend $43,000 swapping the last remaining manual transmission. That's cool. I did not know somehow You didn't know they existed

I think vaguely it was somewhere by mind but no You know the other one? Didn't the Alfred Julia Quadrifolia come on the manual in? Did it? Yeah, I believe in Italy, correct? Really? Damn, I'd be a cool car too Those are a lot newer.

Those are a lot newer But they are only Was it the Quadrifior? Was it? Yeah, yeah, it was the Quadraud? I was the Quad, yeah That's cool Next question, we'll do two more very, very quick Two more from Lawrence.

Hi, Doug. Why do you no longer include exhaust sound clips in the reviews of performance cars like Kennan's AMG V12 powered SL-65. Kenner, do you want to explain why I didn't do an exhaust clip in that video? Well, that particular car, it's pretty quiet. It's kind of the

refined car. Doesn't it not rev? No, it does. The reason, the answer to your, I still do them, to be clear, when I can. Like, I just did the Viper and we did it. But to answer your question, like, almost all new cars do not let you rev in park. Like, 2,000 RPM is the max. You can rev. Almost all.

In fact, the CA, being a Corvette has a special mode where you can't rev it in park, but if you pull both paddles at once, you can revet and park. It's like, you have to confirm that you want to be annoying. But like almost all of the new cars that I review do not do that. The older ones do, and so I do it when it's appropriate. Like I didn't do it for the X-5, but like for the Viper we did it. I did it for the Aston Vanquish, which is coming up. There's a few, the firebird we have coming up in our office. But that's, that's like the big problem. You go to rev like the new RS6 of Vaughn and it revs to 2000.

Like, there are electronic controls. Are there ways? Is it like neutral or drive? You try neutral. It doesn't work either. It's the same thing. Cars stop and will not let you rev. It's just like...

I'm fine with that. Maybe for sound, there's all these rules in Europe, maybe for emissions, maybe for just general annoyance, maybe to protect the engine from cold revving. Like you start it and want to show your buddies. But a lot of new cars don't do it from a lot of different brands. I'd love to know more on the reason. But all those sound plausible. Yeah.

Final question from Jolly Swagman. Final question. Dear Doug and team members, thank you for referring. Thank you. You all call Southern California home these days and you're all plugged into the local car enthusiast scene, but you've all lived in various places across the U.S. How would you compare car culture in some of the other cities where you've lived?

Yeah, I'm happy to answer. Madison, Wisconsin had way more manual hatchbacks, way more my scene as a result. Okay. Yep. Okay. Okay. What about Baltimore?

How was the car culture there? Great. Okay. No, I don't know. The reality is that before cars and bids, cars were always a part of my life, but going to, like, car events really... Okay, but you're driving around Baltimore.

Like, what do you see in? Oh, great, great cars that I love. I love quirky, weird things. There was a... In my neighborhood, there was a... There was some old American EV that I'm blanking on. That was just parked on the street there. S10 EV.

No. No, I'm fully. There was something that was really interesting. It was there. You see cool cars everywhere. Did you ever... My folks are in New Hampshire, a lot of manual station. We're talking about Baltimore car culture.

You agree if Nick was on the... the pod, we'd have to cut out. We had to cut out. Every part of. Every single word. Yep, that would hit the cutting room floor pretty hard. And what about your previous place? In Cleveland, yeah, I found the thing about Cleveland is galvanizing is the weather.

So when it's nice, we can all use our cars. Galvanizing all come out. Unfortunate word. Yeah. That context is ironic, actually. Yeah, it is, yeah. But it really is. And so, like, I actually found there was a, I found a great group of car people.

There is, when I live there, a surprising number of exotics make their way in from the coast. They end up in the Midwest. And there's also a very, very strong pre-war scene there. It's a surprisingly, and, of course, muscle cars. And, like, there's a pretty diverse actual group of car enthusiasts there. And they're all, we're all very tight. When the weather's nice, we drive and we're out there going and use them. Yeah.

Yeah. A very good scene. Still friends with a lot of people in the Cleveland car scene out there. So shout out to the land, as it were. All rust. Worst car scene in the world, Philadelphia. You agree? In America.

No, wasn't there a Varon in Center City for a while? You agree, though. Worst cars in America. One time I was, it's, it's, I was walking up pine and an elephant drove by me. Sure you were. No, it was. I have a picture. From, like, 2015 of this happening.

Worst cars seen in America, Philadelphia. I don't agree with that. It's a city where the people don't have, it's not like New York where, like, to have a car, you've got to be, like, rich and quirky, so there are some weird cars around. Philly's the opposite. Street parking is horrible.

The culture generally is, like, things get damaged. Like, that's just, like, general Philly culture. Like, it's not a place for cars. People did not get into cars. It's not a driving city. There are no good, Philly culture are the worst in America. Now, I'm not saying outside, Philly. I'm not coming for you, Wayne.

That's where Felipe lived for two years when he was in his suburban family phase. Of course, he left that family. Right. They don't know that, but yeah. Oh, man. You're close there, everybody. Worst car culture in America. I don't agree with that.

What do you think is worse car? There's a lot of cities that don't really have any kind of... That was Philly. No, Philly had... Every car in Philly had like 14 of those residential parking permits on the back and was a Toyota Corolla. We like different things. It wasn't even cool. It was Toyota Corolla.

It was 9-year-old Toyota Corolla. There were also some cars. One time there was a manual 360 driving around. There was a Skyline, GTR. There was a hover. There was a VA advantage. I'm so sick of you. There was an S-cargo.

There was a Viper. I think that's it, though, right? That was all of them. Defender. We had an RDX. Yep. I own an Accura, people. Don't ever forget that.

Okay, that's the end. Kenan, give us some parting thoughts. Well, I don't know. I'm very happy the SL65. I found a new home. Go check out my YouTube channel. I have one more video coming out on that car talking about the auction and walking through that.

We never did the drag race. We never did a little bit of news. I have a little bit of news, but that's going to wait. Here's a teaser you're going to have to wait. But we never did do the drag race because Nick and I were scared, but I'm kind of happy we didn't. So it's fine. Plus, then Nick doesn't have to be truly embarrassed in my car.

There is that. Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye. Bye.