THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - The New McLaren W1 Supercar is Boring? Porsche MINIVAN! and Doug’s JDM Car Secret!

Episode Date: October 11, 2024

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And welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Felipe. And this is Mike the Audi robot. And today we have a lot to cover. Let's start with the McLaren W-1. McLaren has announced their newest supercar, which follows up on their many previous supercars.

They're trying to say that this is a successor to the F-1, the P-1, the W-1. They're trying to think that we forgot about the Speedtail, the Sabre, the SENA, all the other. All the ones we're forgetting also. The elva. Oh yeah, the elva. Yes, I totally forgot. McLaren keeps coming out with multi-million dollar cars.

McLaren wishes you'd forget about the L. But only two. Their buyers did. So did the market. Only two are letter followed by number. Yeah, so W1, the worst sounding letter. They've come out with it, they wanted to call it W. Well, outside of the excellence in name selection is what's notable about this car.

What sort of powers are making? Okay. This car has 1,250. horsepower and only weighs 3,084 pounds. Now, it's a new twin turbo V8. It is notable that it has that much power and that much weight because it weighs a lot less than like a Ravuelto, and it has a lot more power than a Ravuelto.

It's a quite impressive power to wait situation. You're not interested in this car. What are we say all new V8? They claim it's a new. I'll never forget years ago when I was younger. Chevy came out with a Tahoe, new Tahoe, and it had a brand new 5.3-liter V8, brand new six later v.8, which happened to be the exact displacement of the previous engines.

And we're not going to verify. They just said they were new. So yeah, McLaren could be the same situation. McClaren says they're only going to build 399 of these and that they claim they're all sold out, which I find it tremendously hard to believe. Yeah. They have verbal promises. They have verbal commitments and events. People signed a card at a quail and Goodwood Festival. No, I mean, there's certainly a market for whatever is the hyper car. And that's an incredible power to weight ratio. That's incredible power, especially for a hybrid supercar thing. Right.

But it's yet another in this line of McLarence. You're uninterested in this car because there's too many. Yes. Now, the F1 when it came out was crazy because they'd never built a road car before. Crazy. And it was the fastest car on the world. And it was the fastest car on the wall. The P1 came out, again, a company that hadn't built many road cars.

They come up with this insanely powerful successor to the I car. And at the time, the P1 was like the halo above the 650s and the 570s and the MP412C. Like it did have that place. Absolutely. Okay. So important that it was put in the Holy Trinity with the other two from the Ferrari and Porsche. And then. And then this comes out and it's like, well, we've already seen a speed tail.

We've already seen a Sabre. Right. And the speed tail is like the spiritual successor to the F1 because I had the center seating position and all that. And it was top speed focus. I name them all because one thing that I find interesting. is like Porsche hasn't had a Halo car hypercar since 19, 10 years ago. Ferrari hasn't since La Ferrari 10 years ago. McLaren seems to always have a car in this.

Like it seems like if you want to buy a $2 million McLaren, which by the way is the sticker price of this vehicle somehow, if you want to buy a $2 million McLaren, there's always one available to you. It's always there. Well, McLaren needs money. Desperately, always. But their buyers must be getting fatigue. Like you have to imagine.

There's also a fatigue that sets into the market, and this has been proven by what has happened to the values of these cars. There's a fatigue that sets into the market when you come out with so many special cars that the values just are simply not there when the cars go for resale. A 918 spider right now is trading for double its original MSRP. Corruget is trading for 3x MSRP. Enzo's or 4x, 5X MSRP. Well, that's because they were always scarce.

McLaren's there's always special. And P1, even though it was the rarest of the 918-La Ferrari, it is. the cheapest by far because a lot of people are like, eh, another special McLaren. How much do you think the McLaren was helped by the Holy Trinity existing? Like, had they come out with the P1 without there being a La Ferrari and a 9-18? Would anybody have cared? Like, was it only because it was part of a question.

Never thought about that before. Because there was no Holy Trinity for Speedtail. I think that people would have, if McLaren had, I mean, they marketed it as the successor of the F-1. This is our supercar. Well, this is the successor to the F1 as well. Right. No, that's an interesting point.

The competition hadn't been there where people have just not cared. Because for the speed tail, there was no competition and people kind of didn't care. And the Elva, I mean, there was competition, actually. There were windowless cars from Aston Martin and Ferrari, and none of them found buyers. Ariel Adam. Anyway, look, I think this is

incredibly cool. Enormous power, enormous cost, very rare. It's going to be super amazing. We're going to assume it's really cool. But they unquestionably have cheapen the brand with all these Halo cars over the last few years. To be fair, it looks different than the 720s 570s

etc. From the side profile I don't think it's all that From the front Just kind of It's really different Yeah no it has some different The interior is

Going doors not Butterfly I think the market is generally fatigued By the two plus million dollar Hypercars the Utopia It's just like People Purportedly buy them

But I swear they only buy them To flip them to try to make money On the next one At least this one's not vaporware This will actually exist It's from a real manufacturer Purportedly anyway Yeah and they won't

Probably won't go bankrupt between now and delivering it. Purportedly, anyway. Especially if they keep doing as well as they're doing with the... I think we have one more photo of it. Oh. Oh. An interior picture. Kenan, anything you want to say about the interior?

Well, I mean, it looks like someone had explosive diarrhea. Interior, honestly. I can't believe you said it. All right, pull that picture back up. That picture, it appears there's some spray there. It's a very odd interior design. It is an odd interior design and color choice. Yep.

Yes. Okay. Moving on to our next news story. Oh, yes. My favorite news story of the week. Mark Zuckerberg posted on Instagram, I think it was Instagram. Facebook, maybe who knows? Or Facebook.

Facebook probably on that property. Same. That his wife wanted a cayenne but also a minivan, and so they had West Coast Customs create them a cayenne minivan. And I think we've discovered why there is no cayenne minivan by this. I like Zuckerberg. Even when everyone else hated him and thought he was a robot, I liked him. He has, it came out this week, he has a Kanalex CT5V Blackwing.

Yep. And he paired this with like a GT3 touring or something. But this is not a knock on Zuckerberg. I truly think he's cool. But this is a heinous thing. It's so cool. It's so cool. It's a limo length.

We talk frequent, for people that aren't watching that are listening, it's a Cayon Turbo GT coop that has been extended and appears to have a sliding door. Yeah, that's all you do. We frequently say that we're sad than more people aren't commissioning weird cars like the Solomon Brunei used to like coach builders used to produce. Here we are.

Somebody did and it's hideous but it's cool. Quite bad. And I think that Zuckerberg and his wife will quickly discover why Portrait hasn't built a car like this. The whole point of the cayenne, especially the turbo coupe GT, is that the dynamics

are almost completely related to the sizing and chassis development and they did not develop the chassis with a 58 inch stretch to create a huge. giant sliding door, which by the way has no visible door handle. I'm sure that will be reliable. I'm sure it's going to work just fine.

It's just cool. Yes, sure, there are issues. Although the shop that did it famously of Pint My Ride fame in the reserves, we should ask if there's an aquarium inside of it. I hear you like fish as a screen. It's just cool. I love that people do weird things like this. And you have more money than God.

Did you go do it? Yeah, but like, you know what I mean? spend it on this. Like, yeah, but, but, but it's, it's heinous. It does. You know what would have been cooler? Taken a Pacifica and TRDing it or, or taking a CNN, TRDing it or taking a Sien and TRED in it, that would have been a minivan.

Instead, taking a Kyan and turning it into a minivan, it's heinous, it will not drive like a Kyan. You guys are thinking about this all wrong. It's 14 feet too long for a parking space. It's probably not that long. Well, look, A normal Kyan... Look, is that how big the normal door?

A normal Kyan's door, the wheel arch would start in the middle of the door. So this, I'm no joke. It's three feet longer. Okay, but does a suburban drive like a Kyan? That's the problem that I have here. We have the worst of all worlds.

We turn the Kyan into a minivan, so now we drive it to a minivan. We took the Kyan and destroyed the design, so now it's ugly. And it probably doesn't drive all that well because it's three feet longer than a regular Kyan. Nobody that has a Kyan Turbo GT has driven it hard.

They just won't go fast. straight line. People don't hustle them. Well, I guess we have Newmark, when you and your wife don't like this car anymore, get a Pacifica, put a Hellcat motor in it. And sell this one on cars and bits, and it will get to its full value, which is less than the value of a stock

Cayenne Turbo GT. I think that's unquestionably true. I would pay money for that. You would not. It doesn't fit anyway. You're crazy. I think it's so I love that they did this. Also, why do it on the GT? Yeah. I think it was cool when people did this back in a day, really rich people commission the automakers to do it.

Going to West Coast Customs and say, extent, I mean, you could do, it's a limo. It's essentially, what's the difference being this in a town car? You interested in a limo? I do like one. You want a six-store Cadillac? Yes. We sell them sometimes.

I would love one. Okay. Especially love a Lincoln Continental Coach store, but extended. You're an insane person. I think that's legitimately cool. I love that they're spending their money in Wildways. I would also spend money in Wildways, but I put a Hellcat Motor in Pacific. Wouldn't you rather do that?

You would be driving around in a... Intel Design, Columbus. on the South on Columbus. You know, that's a good point. And that's way uglier than this. You know what? Zuckerberg's a genius. Next to this story.

Oh, okay. We're talking about the cyber truck. We're talking about the set of a cyber truck. There was a new story last week that Geico was apparently canceling insurance policies on cyber trucks. They have since put out statements say that they aren't necessarily doing that in all cases, but there are reports of people receiving letters saying, hey, your policy won't be renewed. Which is interesting.

You could buy a cyber truck and your insurance company could say this hunk of stainless steel is too dangerous, we don't have data on it, and we can't trust you to drive it. This is like buying a home in the flood zone. It is like, it's exactly like that. And at some point, I wonder whether like this will become more common, where there's vehicles where they just either don't have enough information or just they're so outrageous and dangerous to society as the cyber truck kind of is that people won't want to insure them anymore.

Why are they not, are they not trying to insure it? I mean, they didn't even admit that they were doing this, but is it because of the danger to the cost of the truck or to hitting people? I bet it's a little bit of bull. I imagine that repairs are incredibly costly and that they can't underwrite them correctly. And I also imagine there's some liability component, given that it chops people's hands off. I think it's probably a combination of they just don't, they can't underwrite them property. Have you noticed they got the wheel covers back?

I'm sorry? The wheel covers, when the Cybertruck first came out, you know those crazy looking wheel covers they first had? Sure. They had to recall them all because they were rubbing on the fender. That's right. I'm sorry about that. Well, they're back. They're uglier, but they're back.

so you can get wheel covers on it now. They're cool. And if I got a cyber truck, I'd insure it right with GEICO. The reason I wanted to bring it up is that it's an interesting situation where like federal regulations are sufficiently lax, I guess,

such to allow a vehicle like this. But should there be some requirement that insured do insure anything that is sellable as a new car in the U.S., is it reasonable for insured to say, no, we can't underwrite them properly? My insurer won't underwrite my cars. I had to go to a specialty.

Right. So I don't think there should be any insurance requirement. I don't think you can mandate a private company to ensure it. Haneous. Is this a press photo? Or is this a picture you just found? I think this is just a found on the internet, right? I don't think if it's a part of them, they'd want just a guy with glasses

walking to the pastry shop. I just don't think of him. Look at him, though. He's turning around thinking, what is this thing? Boy, the excitement of that thing died off quick, huh? Yeah. See them all over and saying, and values are. Flummet.

The plummeted. The plummeted will continue to font. All right. Give us the next one. VinFest. I saw one of these today. Yeah. Oh. You can see them around?

I see them around fairly often, at least once a week. Guess how many are currently for sale through VinFast in the U.S.? They claimed when they came out that they were going to sell some number, many, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. How many do you think are currently for sale in the U.S.? I don't know. How many? What is the point? Guess the number. 500.

1,700. Around 200. Well, but what's the problem with that? Tesla for years had zero cars for sale, and you would order one, and then it would be done. But that wasn't their model, though, right? They, in theory, have dealers and inventory. Well, they're trying to ramp production. No, that's difficult.

They've got to come all the way from Vietnam. You ever been to Vietnam? I did. It's a long flight. You're in the plane. They serve you a breakfast. Later, they serve you a lunch. Get a hot towel.

Later, they serve you a dinner. That's a long plane ride. Yeah. Many meals. They're probably on the boat. They want it to sell so many. And clearly they, maybe they don't have supply, but more crucially, they don't have demand

to like bother it. Didn't you tell me that this is leasing for $199 with zero down? I would believe that. I don't know. Didn't you tell me that? Let me tell you something, folks. This car had terrible reviews when it first came out. Then Vinfest sent me an updated one.

Yeah. That was fine. You guys were in it. You drove it. Yeah. Hard to find some of those buttons, but it was fine. It was like fine. It was a boring normal car just like the Nissan rogue has been since it came out in 2008, right?

Yeah. Fine. It's $1.99 a month with zero debt. That's like a cell phone bill. Apparently nobody, maybe inventory is so low because they've all been flying off the deal with but I have my dad. I got a buddy in Georgia who told me he's never seen one and I told him I see him all the time. He said, what?

So you're crazy? I do see someone this morning at a shopping center. Wow. I'm serious. I said yesterday too. May have been the same one. They were both black. This is a chance.

They're not selling the tens of thousands they expect. I would get one of these. if I was looking for a bargain-priced electric car. I'm dead serious. Would you? It drove fine. I don't know. If you could lease one,

it's not cheaper than other equivalent leases. You can lease up any of the... Not with zero down, usually. Typically those leases are like three, four grand. Leasehacker.com. Go check it out later. All right. Go on.

It's for some of us spend time. So you're claiming there's not a lot of Vinfest inventory, and I'm saying it's because they are... I disagree about demand. Huge demand for this. I will say they are the perfect intersection of they have no supply and they have no demand. Therefore, it's a market clearing event.

We're good. It's no Fisker Ocean. I'll tell you that. You know what's sad? This company seems a lot better capitalized than Fisker. But the car is boring. The Fisker Ocean was really cool. But the company was a disaster.

If only Vinfast had made the Fisker Ocean, that would have been a hit. Well, hey, if they want to, I bet they can buy the rights to it very cheaply. They're subsidiar. By the way, under investigation for requiring customers to pay for their own recall. Which apparently you can't do. If you recall the vehicle, you as an manufacturer must pay, apparently. It's nice to talk about it. Fisker again. They don't have money. No. They can't pay for the recall. What's going to happen?

Whatever money is left that they're going to pay for the any creditor is screwed because if there's recalls to do, I think any creditor is just already written all that off. This show is sponsored by Better Help. It's back to school time and even if you aren't headed back to school, what is something you'd love to learn? It's always important to make time to learn things about yourself. For instance, I would like to learn how to detail my cars as well as Kennan. Therapy can help you reconnect with your sense of wonder and your curiosity within. Mental health and therapy are tremendously important to me. I have family members in the mental health space and I truly believe in therapy and in its ability to create successful outcomes and improve lives. I really

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Ooh, some sort of Rolls-Royce. So, yeah, so the Rolls-Royce ghost has had a facelift. So this is the second-generation ghost now. This is called the Series 2. Trace 2. And it boys... Wasn't there already? There must have been because the series, the ghost.

Oh, this is the series two of the second generation. Got it, got it. So what was the first? There was a redesign. No, I know, but what was the pre-series one? But what was the original one called? Just the ghost. That was the ghost.

But wasn't there a face-off of the first? There was a ghost. then it's then a series two ghost. Then there was a redesign ghost, then there was a series two redesign ghosts. Oh, that's confusing. This is why having chassis designations is, yeah.

This is an F, whatever. It kind of does that a chassis. It does, yeah. It does. But basically, no mechanical changes. Still has the same twin turbo charge, 563 horsepower V-12. Fantastic motor.

Amazing engine. Glad that they still make it. Really the biggest change is slimmer headlights, slimmer headlights. They continue to use a lot of the same infotainment stuff. But the thing to me that they've introduced is this duality twill interior.

Oh, wow. Or this material. Now, you can get it in three different colors. It's made of bamboo. You can get it in three different colors. You get it in black, lilac, or chocolate. And when you do that, is that chocolate? This would be chocolate, yeah.

And when you do that, you can get something that's called the placed perforation pattern, which is this pattern, which is supposed to look like the overlapping RR logo is like kind of what they want here. Is that what that's supposed to be? Allegedly. It's heinous. And the better part is that it's available in 51 different colors. Not 50, 51. It looks like a, for people that aren't seen the photo, look it up first of all,

but also it looks like a chain leg fence with something holding the links together. Or some cheap knockoff Gucci bag. It just, it looks really bad. You guys make fun, but let me tell you something. They came out with the Starlight headliner. Remember that? Change the whole world. Now everybody who's in every custom shop in the world is putting a starlight headliner and everything.

This is Rolls Royce's next innovation, my friend. Well, they innovated on the stars. They added it here to the infotainment system, so it has a time-lapse celestial photography is what the standard here. And they had that badge that went down. That was an innovation that everybody thinks is cool. And they had those weighted center caps. Also important.

You're making fun of them. This is the future. Rolls-Royce innovates. Can I ask you a question? How many other companies have implemented a Spirit of Exorcist style emblem or weighted center caps? Weighted center caps were on that damson. that I had, believe it or not.

They copied rolls after all these years. Volkswagen is admitting that BMW won. Wow. Finally. Can I answer your question? Yeah. Does the steering wheel have to be the same color as the upholstery? I think the steering wheel is the worst part of this particular picture.

It is as blue as the exterior of the car, which I'll notice also as blue in this one. And it's also blue on the infotainment screen. Oh, wow. Good. Good attention to detail. I will say the ghost, second generation ghost, is such a nice car. car and I love it and I want one and I want a fan of mate too and if I had a fan of mate I would just drive around on it and never talk to Felipe again I would just sit there in silence and he'd come up

and be like oh I'd be like no you wouldn't be able to hear me right too much sound bad day yeah exactly I'd have my wolf floor mats right but and you'd have your will floor mats let me ask you a question to both of you yeah if you were being chauffeur driven in a rolls with the wool floor mats dead serious question would you take off your shoes absolutely I don't believe in doing it on planes because that's revolting and people do that, but I would do it in this car. Yeah? Would you take off your socks? Well, obviously, you don't get the enjoyment of it through socks.

I'm not sure. I should also know, we live in Southern California, and as I am right now, flip-flops exist. Yes, I'm wearing shoes with socks, but yeah. I don't know. Okay, next up, time for our next segment, the Talk Cars segment where we Talk Cars. There's a lot to cover starting with this. Show us the picture, please. So here's a story for you.

I get an email there, text the other day from this guy that I filmed years ago. I filmed as McLaren, Mercedes SLR, and a tank. Okay. I remember the tank. He lives in Nashville, outside Nashville. He's Tennessee. You don't say. I haven't taught.

Right. Get an SLR and a tank. It's nuts on the California. So anyway, he sends me a message. He says, hey, Doug, I think we have. similar taste. And he's got, you believe this? He's got a white Kuntash,

round belly, a career GT, a blue-white Ford G-T, and he's got a Diablo S.E-30, which is the, if I were to add a fourth car that isn't an F-40, it would be a Diablo S-E-30. We've talked about it a lot.

I don't know if I talk about it on the pod, but I think about it all the time. And I'm like, what are the odds that some other dude has literally the same ridiculous three cars that I do? Are you worried that he just went a little bit nicer

because this looks like a triple white cuntash? It's a triple white. way, down draft, so that car is nicer. It's a million bucks. The graffiti's black. Yeah, he's got a, he didn't get a heritage for it. He's a little, he's got a little bit nicer. He's got a little on you.

Do you think he's so long to think? I didn't ask. He sent me another angle. Yeah, yeah. He's got a TRX too, so we have some differences, no doubt. But isn't that crazy? What are the chances that some, I'm like astonished by this. This is wild.

They're my cars. This guy stole my car. Actually, I love him. I think he's great. But he did steal my cars. Or maybe I stole his. Also, I guess the real question is... When am I getting the SE30?

Yeah. I'm not. And then you'd have to get a purple into one-up hemp. That would take back. That's the problem. I only want a purple SD30 and the values are too high. And honestly, I don't want any more cars. But I have a G-cab instead.

That's where we differ. Yeah, he has a rim. You have a G-cab. It's a different approach. I was just astonished. Somebody sends me a text message and they're like, oh, yeah, I got these cars. They're the same ones you have. What are the chances?

That is wild. I never get people who have my stupid cars. Plus, they're kind of weird to have a four. Gertjccia, Kuntash and I'm a weird group, frankly. I'd love to know his thought process. I know yours on why you have those, but I'd be curious. We should have them on. We should have them on the pie. I'd be curious. Okay.

Okay, next topic for talking cars. Yes. So I'm back, which means that I'm playing with M5 again and... Playing with, or... Driving and using it. It's been wonderful, but there is one thing it's going to go back to Ryan Ford this week. Now, admittedly, this

was something... Plipo! I didn't know about this until now. So there was something... This was something we tried to rectify. So on the last service, one of the items I had replaced was the AC compressor because it was making noise. Only when the AC is only. Turn the AC on. You know, it would work fine.

Sometimes fans. No, it's a whirring metal sound, a warm bearing sound. And so I was like, replace the AC compressor. It said, no problem. The dash is going to come off, isn't it? No. No, it is.

So you have, so the AC compressor, we replaced it. Noise is still there. So we replaced all the belts and bearings and stuff on the, sure. Noise is still there. You just threw money at this. How much money did you spend? Ryan said, I can't figure it out right now if you need the car bike, so I got the car back.

He had another client come in. Same problem. So these new AC units that he's been using, AC compressors all have this issue. It's a manufacturing defect. So Ryan dug into it and found out that it was this little bang inside the inside of them that he'd be replaced. It's like, it's very cheap to replace and then put it in, boom, go on.

You have like take out everything you did? No, not everything. It's not an engine. rebuilt. What is the cost? He said it's going to be, I think it was like 50 bucks to fix. 50 bucks to take the dash part and get to the AC compressor? That's not where the AC compressor lives. It's on the front of the engine.

Filippo and I have done a few AC compressors in our day. We know how to do an AC compressor. You wouldn't have known an AC compressor if I threw it at your head. Should we fix his this weekend? Yeah, let's just do it. No, you stay away from my car. I have fixed vehicles. No,

not to my standards, you wouldn't. So I... Filippo's a real shade tree. Yeah, he is. He literally uses the shade of a tree. Precision. Anyway, yeah, so not very expensive. It's a minor thing, and that will go away, and my ACO work in perfect silence, which I'm looking forward to.

I am proud of that. I am anxious about the fact that it's going up to Ryan again, where it seems to be a black hole of money spending. You have to promise me that this is the last repair you'll do to the M5 for the next three years. Oh, God. Three, no. What will you give me? Three months? end of the year absolutely easy year great lovely it's October 9

Kenan's not going to work on his car again for 80 days Speaking of cheap repairs I have a great story to tell you about the Sequoia I took the Sequoia into the dealership Sure for the second key new Toyotas are not delivered with two keys anymore They're delivered with one key and a promise And the promise is that someday Toyota will call you and tell you that your key is Are they having like, it's, it's, it's, they've played in supply chain, but I have discovered the real reason that they're doing it. I go into the dealership and the woman shows me an invoice with two cents on the invoice.

And I'm like, what is this? And she said, that is the amount that Toyota pays us to program the new key, two cents. And so, I got the call, I'm skipping ahead, but I got the call that the key was ready. And so what I think has happening is they don't program both keys when the car is delivered new at PDI. Instead, they deliver the car at the key, then you go back in. The second key is delivered and programmed at the cost of two cents. They're very generous to the dealers. And then you get your second key. Toyota has figured out a way to save a little cash here, perhaps. Is that also how they get you to go to the dealership at all? That's what I was like to do service. I wonder about that.

I wonder about that. They have Toyota care. You don't have to pay anything, right? You already have free service. So I don't think it's really related. And I'll tell you this. And I've like, I've enjoyed the car as much as one can enjoy that car. But it is very annoying to have a car with, you know, it's the most expensive tariffure to sells. So right off the bat, you're like kind of annoyed you're not getting two keys, right? Yeah. To not have a second key driving that car the way across the country, it was not, not my favorite situation. Is there an app where you can turn on? I do have an app. Can you turn it on? And it tells me when the doors are open. Oh, but I think I can turn on. Let's find out. Pull it up.

But anyway, so I got the second key and the two cents to the Toyota dealer, and they programmed it for me and everything went well. Mossy Toyota and Pacific Beach, shout out to my man Gavin. Okay, speaking of Sequoia. And his family. Friends. All right, pull up this picture. I got a picture I sent in here.

I saw this this weekend. Did I send this to you? Oh, yeah, you did. Just decided to everybody. Look at that. That is a Sequoia TRD Pro that is green camo wrap, and it has every off-road accessory that has ever existed. It looks good.

The green wrap works. I could do without the mud splatter wrap portion. And they should have wrapped the front bumper. No, I kind of get that. I quite sure. It didn't. But, well, it shouldn't be glossy either way. But I saw this thing and I was like, wow, this could be me. Like, I could be this? Yes, you too could have your car so aggressively prepared to go drop your kid off at school.

Because that's what this thing is. No, no, no, that into my kid's school drop off line. I cannot take my kid to school. God, does this truck continues to get more embarrassed? every time you talk about it. I literally can't do it. Think about how helpful it would have been to have the spare tire on the rear. Yeah. It would have been so easy to pull off and replace.

That's such a good point. Then again, jacking it probably would have been hard because this dude added like 2,200 pounds of offward and also steel bumpers. Those poor third row passengers. They have no visibility. You know what else is interesting? He added a LED light bar, but it came with one.

And it's bright. Well, you need both. It lights at the world. Anyway, regardless, I saw this thing. I think it's a cool thing ever seen. Who was moding Sequio? But it makes sense. Does it?

Does it? Does it? Does it? Does it? That's like a $50,000 car. This is like an $85,000 car that a dude was like, all right, I'm going to take the bumpers off and wrap green. I think it's so cool.

People spend hundreds of thousands of dollars modifying old land cruisers. But this guy's going to go into the desert and beat this thing up. And at the right quarter to do that. I bet I bet I saw this guy on the way to the desert. He was at sort of a shopping mall. But I bet you that he had to get supplies to go to the desert. He was getting supplies. And I bet you right now he's probably on top.

I bet he's, I honestly. bet he's in the Himmelah. He's on top of Everest. He's on Everest. He drove there. You know what got in there was a roof tent. Yeah, I'm sure. He slept it. Everybody else is camping at whatever it's called base camp. He's sleeping in it.

You have often said so many people spend... He's AP higher than there. He's AP higher than them. People do spend lots of money on old trucks to go do so, and people laud the old stuff. And you said, what? My Sequoia is infinitely more capable than those old trucks. Why not just do that? Well, this guy is taking your advice and taking it a step further. The only drawback, though, is if the

trail is why. If the trail's narrow, unfortunately, no. You're just going to have to use the inside of the tires as you just go along the outside. No, no, like if there's mountains on both or like a steep drop-off, you're just kind of... Find a better trail. Find a different trail. I will say, this goes with my theory that the Sequoia is the

land cruiser of the new generation. Yeah. I don't... Your theory is both insane and correct. The new land cruiser is not a land cruiser. The 300 LX is 120 grand and has leather everywhere. The Sequoia is the land cruiser. The Sequoia TRD Pro. 300 LX.

300 series. I understood. I understood. The Sequoia is the land cruiser of the new generation. It is the same thing. Top of Toyota's lineup, the most off-road capable. Boom. Can you spec a land cruiser to be more expensive than the most expensive of the Sequoia?

No. They start at like 50. But they go to like 80. Which is insane because, boy, has a $50,000 vehicle with an $80,000 sticker price never more existed than the new land cruiser. Before we move on, let's. take a moment to appreciate Lexis Racing, the sponsor of this podcast episode. Lexus Racing has been built on a foundation of precision, innovation, and an unwavering commitment to excellence,

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Yeah. The other day I was hanging out with a producer, Sean, and he pointed out, I could just keep the Fiat and add a car. Right. Like, I could get my dream C7 Corvette or 997, 9-11, which are the same price now. And keep my Fiat. Right. I was like a little like one of that. It's like $10,000, if that. It's like six. I've seen the car. Six is generous. But he's got new tires on it. It's a $6,500. Yeah, yeah. New tires? They're new. They're new. I'm not Nick. Nick told us, Nick told us, were you here for this?

But he used to go to a used tire place in Phoenix and they would let for 50 bucks they would let you pick out a tire. You were not here for this. For 50 bucks they'd let you pick out a tire. Any tire on the lot was 50 bucks. Brand, tread, it didn't matter. 50 bucks for you pick it.

Now you have an emergency. None of them had tried. They would put a knife in there and get more tread out. All right, fine. Call it seven grand for my car. Fine. But regardless, it's not that expensive. And it's nice.

And my wife really enjoys driving around in the fiat. It's fun, sporty, small, good for San Diego. So I could add a car. We've never owned between the two of us, three cars, and that feels excessive, given that my wife and I both generally work from home. Right. I don't really need to commute in very often.

How many cars is too many cars per person? You, of course, own 17. I know, I only own six. Sixth total. I feel this way very strongly that there's a number that is too many. Is it one and a half per person? I don't know, but. People have given me an enormous amount of criticism on social media for this because I paired down my collection for nine to six and I like didn't want to get more.

People are like, how could you? You're not a real enthusiast if you're not buying cars. And these people are all 16. We're having different cars. They don't understand. What I need is somebody to help me justify having more cars than driving adults. Oh, you want the justification to get more. I want justification to get less.

For at least more cars than there are driving adults. For a while you had two cars, there's only one of you. That's the higher car per person ratio. You want someone to tell you that it's okay to continue adding. I think that there is a headache factor that eventually at it. You drove your Mercedes all the way up to Escondito for God knows what reason. I get to get a headlight. Are you at some point tired of maintaining like four, five, eight cars?

They're both generally to maintain. The Fiat I just decided don't maintain. That's easy. But he always buys crap cars that require a enormous amount of effort. When he had that X-5, he wouldn't like let people drive it because it was so challenging. But I fix a lot of things on it. I sent you a lot of DIYs on how to fix things. But Felipeo, you want something fun and you really want it.

Just do it. In addition? Yeah. It's only three cards. He lives on a tight cul-de-sac and he doesn't have any garage space. I live a couple of cars. One of our cars parks. We can park a car.

I could park a Corvette in my garage and park the Fiat in my very short driveway, legally, and the wagon in the street as it all of this is. Well, there you go. It's doable. What's the problem? I just, it feels like a little bit excessive. No, it doesn't. Three.

justification. I don't think it's excessive at all. I think it only is excessive when it becomes onerous on your time. And I felt that nine was onerous. Got down to six. We're talking about a different ratio here. We are, but at the same time, I'm much more amenable to this sort of thing than you are,

and even I hit a limit. And so eventually at some point, you will hit a limit, and I don't know if it's three or four or five or two. You could not convince you to own four cars or two people. Well, when I first met you, the cheapest person I've ever met in my life, you could barely be convinced on one car. Yeah, I paid a dollar for it. It was like a tough, tough internal conversation.

I think that eventually it catches up to you the annoyance of owning a bunch of cars. The question is, you need to figure out what that number is. So if it's three, that might be three. Might be three. So maybe you can get away with three and you're happy. Right. Do the only one way to find out. Do it.

That's true. That's how I found out. Eventually you hit the number and you scale to the right number. And that maybe that's... At most, I sell the Fiat, which I was going to sell. And also, it's not like my cars where the M5... The M5 entered a sports car would not be hard to give up. It was the sports car that I chose was difficult to take care.

You want a core vet. You want a core vet. You want a corvette. Right. So I chose that and the most unreliable Ferrari in modern times. But you want a corvette, which is just you could fix it with a sledgehammer. I mean, it's not like a big deal. That would be his strategy.

Yeah. Well, yeah, that's true. But you can, you know what I mean? It's not going to be that difficult to take care. Can I give you a suggestion of a performance car that you should buy? Yeah. Hyundai scoop. Oh, an escoup.

Well, in Europe it was called the Skupe. In North America, it was called the scoop. Spelled the same, pronounced different. I swear to you. I was there. Their ads, which they didn't, surely didn't run. Said scoop. Yes.

It was pronounced scoop here. As coupe, I only found out about Top Gear. I'd never heard that before in my life when that thing. Here it was called scoop. It was like a coop, but it was scoop. It was like sporty coop scoop. I am not exaggerating at all. In the U.S., it was marketed as the scoop.

I'm dead serious. I was there. I was alive. You were not. A boy in Italy. What was the first in K-A-Forte Coupe call? It was a K-O-U-P. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Was that? This was years earlier. The S-Cube-A called here the Scoop was like the early 90s. No, I'm familiar. And then the Tiburon came out. Okay, those are our talk cars. I will buy an additional car. You will buy an additional car.

The next like three years. It doesn't have been 18 months of you talking about it. I'm sure it'll happen any day now. I'm no better, but yeah. Well, that's true. Okay. Next up is time. for the market report segment where we discuss the market.

Kenan, tell us about BMW and E30M3 market. Yes. So recently we had an E30M3 that was live on cars and biz. And people and I had talked about this on a little segment we do on the cars and bids YouTube channel. We talk about cars that we're excited for for the week. What was interesting about this one was that it was no reserve, presented really well, has miles. It was a driver condition M3 with no reserve. So we got a real market depiction of what this thing, a driver condition M3 is worth.

and the market decided 50 grand is that number. Now, I used to say that the E30M3 was a lot of money to go slow, and values have come down substantially, but there are always driver-conditioned cars. The really expensive stuff were always the eight-mile cars that was sold by Enthusi's Automotive Group. This one, 50 grand is now the number for driver-conditioned U-30M-3. You know, Ken is one in 95,

and he's always grown up in a world of, maybe 96, and he's always grown up in a world of fast BMWs. Right. Yeah. I have to tell you, you've made fun of the E30M-3 for so long, you convinced me that it was a lot of money to go slow. Recently, I started to think, I kind of wanted an E30 or three.

Yeah. Have you driven one? You just said how you're done. No, I'm not, nobody's buying anything, right? Maybe he should get one. I have driven one. I have. It is kind of slow.

It's slow. But it's very, it's the sensation. It's the analog experience and like, balance. This beautiful analog experience. Balance. I'm not. Precision. Joking.

I think it's like an amazing car to drive. It is. Get one of those. You should have got this. No, he needs torque in his life. He needs a free. 50 grand. 50 grand is also much more than I would ever spend.

But it's not spending because when you sell it, you get a bet. No. Still, no. I can't. It's actually like a liability issue for me of like the potential to lose money is higher than more money you spend. Yeah. But in E30M3, I mean, these cars are solid.

Well, we did. I remember a few years ago we sold one that didn't run. I mean, not have an engine. I can't remember the situation for like 40 something. So you're right. I thought that was like 30. I thought that went for like 26 or something. It was very early on.

Keep going down. There you go. Is that one? For 50 cents. Okay, well, the market has changed. The market has changed. Yeah. But I think it's nice to...

Good thing you didn't buy that, right. But I'm always excited when no reserve cars come up, because the market speaks for what it's worth, the highest bit takes it home. What were the flaws on this one? Aside from the fact that it's in Rhode Island? Uh, it had an accident if memory serves. Yeah. You don't want a long time ago.

And then just like normal cosmetic stuff, it seems. Wow. This was actually a pretty cool car. But at 106K, you're starting to think rebuild, I assume. Yeah, and S-14s are very expensive to rebuild. But nonetheless, like, it's nice to know what these are. Dude, I love these cars.

I hate to say it. Because I know you think it's a lot of my name is slow. That doesn't mean I don't love it. I still love it. I enjoy driving the one that I drive, and it was a mint example. But like, nonetheless, you know, it's... How's the market for the Italian M3?

The 320 IS? Yeah. We sold one once. We did. No, I thought we sold another one recently. We did. I can't know. We sold one and it was for $45,000.

So remains strong. Yeah, it's hard to know. I mean, they're very rare. They're uncommon cars. They may have had the same power or more than the M3. Because the M3, you know, when BMW M launched, not everybody knows this, but when BMW launched it wasn't intended to be the Halo high performance cars in the market. It was supposed to be like a precision handling car.

And the early M cars, the E30M3, the E20M5, and the E34M5, they didn't even have the biggest engines in the lineup. There were V8 models that these were all six cylinders or four cylinders, the M3, that were, like, it was supposed to be sportier, but like with a precision to it, not just like a knockout hammer blow of performance. And then that changed. The market decided it wanted something different, and BMW made that. Yeah, I mean, kind of sort of, the S38

and, I mean, there were, there were, the engines were still, there was a lot of R&D and cool stuff behind all the engines. No, no, there were special power trains, but it wasn't intended to be like later what became the, the, critical, high performance, you know, you could still get a 540 with a bigger engine and a V8

where the M5 had a six cylinder, but then M changed a little bit. I want that E30M3M Whoever bought that, can you sell out to me for a five grand less than you pay? Five grand back. Just look at it. You don't think that's cool? Of course I do.

50 grand, that's pretty cool. You'd rather have an early viper than this? Oh, yeah, I'm still on the early viper. But you drive around an original M car. M-Kennon has a... Yeah, M-Kennon has double the cylinder count that E30M-3 has. I know, but you have a box fan. I mean, you show up a cars and coffee with this.

You're like, whoa, E-30M-3. Yeah, but people still go like that with the M-5, so I don't know. And they would... It is a wonderful. car. It's just the E30M3. I'm not going to buy one any time. I think for 50 it's a pretty cool. It's a buy, to be honest. I watch these values go higher

and higher thinking to myself, 100 grand stupid for that car. If they're back at 50 for a driver car, I'm starting to think, you know, that's actually pretty reasonable. Yeah, I agree with that. I think it's a fair number for a very cool car. Yeah, I think so. Philippo, you wanted to talk about JDM cars. Yeah, just type in JddM. JdM cars, as more

and more have come into the U.S. That's been like a surge. And that means that prices, especially for like pedestrian ones, yeah, are just becoming like just straight up affordable. We sold that Largo-Atec Highway Star, which is a Nissan minivan, which was tuned by auto-a-tech. But a tip. But sure, like these are just like a regular small van for $4,000. We also sold like a different Honda Life, whatever, which is an even smaller van for $3,000.

Like, these are just cool, cheap cars. And also you're, I'm starting to see them everywhere. Yeah. I'm in California. Where they can't legally be registered. Yeah. JDM cars are starting to become really, really, really common. And I agree.

They're like cheap. Honestly, I know this is going to sound ridiculous, but if I was looking for a used car, I would at least consider this as an alternative to like a civic or a... I still... Look at that. Click on that.

It's me for the right buyer because they are 25-year-old cars. Toyota Pro Gray. NC-2-5. It has a GS-300 front-end that's been squished. Look at the whole thing's been squished. Look at that interior photo. Click on that. That is so.

supple. Wow, that is... What did this car sell for five? That is supple. That's supple for $5,900. That is supple. I could take Kenan and that

and he would be a happy guy. Yeah, that looks very comfortable. Weird phrasing. Yeah, I know. The way he said, and supple, just all of it together. There's a lot of much.

But those, I mean, look at the seats. They are opulent looking. And like, is that, is that wood turn signal? Yeah. Look at that.

Look at that. Yeah, it is. For 5,900 bucks? Right. And you're driving around a Fiat 500 barth, you can have this. go back to that GVM page. Let's see what we get for the price of. I know that in Japan, these are incredibly cheap cars. Sanders are different markets are different. Like, these are just

very cheap. So there's still profit to be made by importers, but barely. Because these, like, see, I wonder about that. I want this. How does, I saw this come through. I was like, this is cool. And that's sold for nine. And I was like, why don't I buy this? But the only problem with these cars. By the way, what we're looking at is a Legum VR4, which is a five-fee manual, twin turbo v6, galant. Wow. Yeah. Well, in all-wheel drive. This, this was an Evo. But in a Galant, with a wagon. And it costs 11 grand.

The problem with these cars is, and by the way, EVOs are cheap too. The problem with these cars is that they're right-hand drive. I think ultimately, if they were all left-hand drive, the market would value them

completely different. I think right-hand drive matters. The fact that they're all 25-year-old cars, like there are... A 25-year-old galant, regular galant, is a $500 car. I know.

There's still like a premium for anything's cool, but... We're getting into like a modern era of cars. Yeah, we are. 25 is 2000. Like, these are not. like you're importing a vintage Japanese car with chrome bumpers and the little mirror on the fender or your carved S cargo, which had carburetors.

Like that's something you might want to do with. This is like a modern car with like a touchscreen in some cases, not this one. And I assume a 276 horsepower v. Like these are cool. And you're right that a lot of these have shown up. And I agree with you. I'm surprised there's even still profit left to bring them over. It's got to be tight.

What ends up happening in Japan is that these cars age out. Like in Japan, there's very strict safety. inspections and eventually the cars just age out of being able to be registered there. And so they all swim to other countries. It's often New Zealand or Australia because they're right-hand drive. I was in Malta and half the cars the road in Malta are ex-Japanese. And they come here because it's cool. Yeah. And so people buy them. Can it include? I meant them. I don't think so. One market report subject I want to discuss, I was sitting on the front porch of a house I was renting in Atlanta. And a Ferrari 458 drove by. And it was a Ferrari,

beautiful car. You ever see a 4-5-8? Rarely. Okay, well, it's beautiful. I'm, like, familiar with a car, but it's rare that I see one. And a lot of them have been heinously modded, but this one was just perfect, and I thought to myself, what does that cost? And the answer is, a lot. Do you know that 458s are still tremendously expensive? They're 200 minimum.

Yeah, they're 200 minimum. $250 gets you a 458. High mileage ones crack into the high ones, but they're still very expensive cars. Sticker on this car is probably $240, 10 years ago, and it's still selling for 212. That is, it still looks incredible and modern.

Absolutely a beautiful. In a way that like the 360430 don't. They're beautiful. Well, the 430 is beautiful. They don't look the same level of modern. This is, no, still very similar. Ferrari essentially still carries this design onto the modern. Right, exactly.

Pinn and Freeman did a great job. And then Ferrari is like, we do our own design now. And they took it over and they're like, we just do a 450 angle. I never really thought about it. That is one of the great hilarities. Pinifery designs the 458 perfectly. I think it's the most beautiful Ferrari in...

Since the 355. And then Ferrari just all they do is like revised the design until 296 like yesterday. And this came out in 10. But I am surprised at what these are still going for. There's a component of it is that they're NAV8 cars and that's like the last of the last. And a component of it is that their new Ferraris have gotten so expensive that it hasn't put a lot of downward pressure on used ones. Because 360s and 430s are also still big money. They're not really getting like Porsche's, you know, the 991s, but pressure on the 997s, the 996s.

And that hasn't really happened in the Ferrari. world because new ones just keep getting more and more expensive. I mean, $296, probably a 400 car at this point. Yeah, with options and stuff. Yeah, my uncle paid $414 or something. $414.4. So, I mean, this is a pretty cool car for $200, but it's still big money for a 12-year-old. God, that is such a cool looking car. Yeah, it was really cool. But yeah, no, it is a lot of money. But yeah, I mean, for all the reasons that you touched on, and atop all of that, they are awesome to drive. Yeah. They're just, they offer such a great driving experience. And I The engine really is the thing that makes them so special.

Because you drive this and then a 48 after you clatter into the rev limiter immediately because it doesn't rev nearly as high. It's amazing to me that the 430 was then after. Like the difference in modernity between this car of 430 is massive. Yeah. This car was a totally new generation. And it was a new generation, but it feels like there's a missing car that should be between them, like linking them.

That said, of course, yeah, there are some limitations. It's, for instance, you can connect your phone by a Bluetooth to the car. Can't stream music on it. If you want to do that, you have to, you have to plug into the car and download it to the hard drive on the car, which I had to do with this one. Yeah. But that happened in 2012. Nonetheless, yeah, it is surprising that they are so expensive, but it does make sense for all the reasons the outlined. And that's just a lovely car.

I mean, this, this, that, that, that $215 grand for a 23,000-mile car, this was that one that Ferris sold. It was no reserve. I think that helped. But it's still, they're still pretty. big money, but they are just such cool cars. And when I see one, to this day, I still want one. Can I have two questions later to this? Do you think it's 2% better than a 4-5-6, as the numbering would have done? And then the second question is, at what point do SF-90 values and 458 values right now, you can decide between a two-year-old SF-90 or a new 296. I got to be honest.

I got to be honest, I would take the 296. It looks better. It drives the same. And you don't have to drive around the stigma of being a guy who lost a half million. on us of 19. That is a yikes car. Okay, time now for the questions segment of our podcast. Questions, questions, questions. They come from our audience.

If you want to ask a question, go to cars and bids.com, click on the community tab, and there will be a post there that says, questions, ask your questions here, and you can post your question for us.

And we will answer the highest upvoted questions. This week, the number one highest uploaded question was from Sam Gilman. Sam writes. Hey, Doug. My name is Sam.

I am also a YouTuber for a living with almost 2 million subscribers. I don't do automotive content. I am a musician. And he then mentions his channel and band name is First 211. We're wondering if you would be willing to do a collaboration. I want to explain why it is hard for us to do. I'm going to explain why it is hard for us to do collaborations. We have a studio here where we have a lot of cars and a lot of equipment.

Including a Subaru Crosstrak. There's a cross track in it right now. And we film a lot of content here. Today, just today, we will shoot one, two, three, four, five, six videos today. Legit. And so whenever we're,

and yesterday we shot, I don't know, many. Some of us have jobs and I don't feel like it. And so, yeah, that's most of my life. And so the result of that is that it's difficult for us to go somewhere.

I looked this band up and first 211 is in Erie, Pennsylvania. That's a difficult trip. You lose two, three days going anywhere to collab with somebody. And so the result of that is that it's been difficult for us to do anything other than kind of the content

that we do in studio. People who are willing to come to San Diego, we're a lot more willing to do collapse. That's why Hoovey comes and visits us every few years. Right. He wants to leave Kansas. He loves leaving Kansas and coming to see us. So we collab with Hovie because he's willing to come to the building. And it's a little bit harder when people are further away. And that's the answer to a general answer to the question, why we don't like haven't done collabs. I would obviously love to go to Tennessee and collab with Whistlin. Right. It hasn't been in the cards yet. Although Dave, Whistlin replied to some of our real stories.

Luslin and I have been sending messages back and forth. It'd be like if I, it'd be like if Kenan was texting with, who's a big watch person? Ben Clymer from Houdinke. Okay. I was more thinking. A email back and forth than Buddy 39M5s. I was more thinking of the inventor of the timepiece. By the way, cool cars, folks from First 11.

Yeah, they have, they said they have a 9-11 GT3 touring, a query, and an Elantra and a Kia Sportage. That's sort of the filippo of the band, I guess. Hey, snort is in the name. The next question. from Evan Z-24. Hello, guys. What is the nicest car you have seen

smoked in, and does it bother you when you see nice cars ruined by cigarettes? It's rare, honestly, now. Evan Z-24 is writing to us from the smoker, the smoking belt of the country, which is, of course,

the... Southeast, I don't know, where if you still smoke. Nobody smokes California anymore, most places. I don't see cars ruined by smoke like I used to. It used to be a common problem.

It would be a real problem. Yeah. That's true. I will say the problem now, that I run into is cars that are ruined by air freshener scent. That's worse. Almost worse sometimes. You can't get that out.

People think you can't. I'm in every tour I get in. I was in a tour the other day and it was great. I run on an X-7 in the southeast. I was in Atlanta and Chattanooga during Hurricane Helene. I was storm chasing in an X-7. And everything about the experience was great except, you know, the air freshener smell was in the car. And that's like a thing.

Every Uber you get into, et cetera, et cetera. At some point, I would rather smell whatever the, they're trying to cover up. Right. And the air fresher. Right. It is, I hate the smell cigarette smoke. It's frustrating when you see that ruined.

And it is still a question that you probably should ask if you're buying a car. Like, test it out yourself. You think so? You get in a car and smell before you buy it. Did you smell your 500 before you bought it? Yeah, but we test drove it. And for the wagon, we asked the person pretty explicitly. Like, is there any?

But he was in Maine. He wasn't going to be a smoker. Right. You don't smoke any. So you, so you, you, do you, I don't smoke. I think there's a value to run away from. If a moose comes at you, lobster seat.

Let me ask you a question. Did you see a great video? There was a short of film that thing in Colorado where a moose just runs straight into the side of a Sierra 1500? No, why? Really?

What happens? It must be destroyed. It was like a light hit. Okay. Because you hit a moose through the car. It was a great video. I'll sound like later. Let me ask you this.

Do you ever smoke in your M5? Of course not. You never have the, you never want to get out of stick? That's what they call it. his community. Cigar people call cigar sticks, and that's the kind of thing Kedern would do. Don't you agree? I don't mind a cigar every now and again, but not in the M5, obviously. I mean, I barely drink water in the car.

What do you drink water in the car? I mean, I have, I can't feel I'm going to say this. I have Altoids. I love Altoids. I like to just fresh out. I don't like to open the container in the car because the dust every time you do that gets everywhere. Very irritating. You got to take it to Ryan. That's probably why the AC failed. They got Altoid dust. So you usually have it, before I get in the car, I'll have it outside. You have an altoid. You close the thing, then you get in.

What if the dust is on your fingers? That doesn't occur. It's the act of opening. It goes, pff. He doesn't do the driving gloves anymore. You used to wear driving gloves. Yeah, steering little, I decided to need to be replaced. I'm like, there's no point wearing the gloves.

I'm going to replace it anyway. But the rest of the buttons. They're fine. You know, I've made fun of them for years for that, but every time I drive my courage routine, my hands are sweaty because it scares me to drive the car. and every time a minute I think maybe Kenan's not such an idiot after all. I'm still an idiot, but

not as much of one. Okay, next question is from Alec Metz, 2011. Have you guys ever seen this video Kenan made 11 years ago? I love it. It's perfectly canon. It's too long to show right now, but we're going to put it in the description or pin it or something. Or go to the comments. And it's a video that Kenan made for E-39

sorts, which is his buddy Ryan's like BMW BMW shot. And it is a fantastic video. We just learned watching this altogether, before filming the podcast that he did this for an economics class. Yeah, it was like an assignment. It did. It has some great definitions of opportunity cost.

Yeah, he defined opportunity cost as defined by encyclopedia.com. Let me ask you this question, Kenan. I was surprised for one thing about the video. For the last, I don't know, since I've known you five years, you've been talking about how the Ethernet and 5 is like a great. It's a godly, no car. God's chariot. Ever be better than an Ethernet 5.

That's accurate. And you bring up the Ethernet 5 on the podcast. sometimes, rarely. Today. But in that video, you have decided there's a different God's chariot, and it is a E39-525I. That's not what I said. This requires me to ask the question.

Could the M-5 ever be supplanted? The 525I, which apparently at this time in your life, was God's chariot, as defined by investopedia, could the M-5 ever be beaten by something else? No, and I'll tell you why. In the video, what I said was, the point of the video was it was encouraging people to go out and drive and use their cars. Like that was, the point was, your car should be an enjoyable thing if your car enthusiasts should be an escape from your daily life. Just you and your little metal shelf is what I say.

I saw that. And at the time, that was the car that I had and it was that for me because every car I have picked has that has been the design brief behind it. I pick it because I want something that's enjoyable to me. And so the M5 for me is the most enjoyable car I've driven. I just love that car. And ultimately it was the best version of the E39. And so, which I still think is the best five series. But you understand my point.

In the video you have this love of this 525 eye with a 184 horsepower, 2.5 liters cylinder, right? That's, I'm surprised you're that. Yes, that is correct. Eventually, you get the M5 and then the love of transfers. What I'm saying is, is there a car out there beckoned? you that you don't even know. Does the Kama-C-C-5 Blackwing

beckon both you and Mark Zuckerberg like a cayenne limo in the night? Is there a possibility that the M-5 may someday be beaten? No. Okay. What do you think about the video all these years later?

It's obviously very difficult for me to watch it. I thought it was pretty good, to be honest. Yeah, I mean, I still think I'm a pretty good writer when I write stuff like that. But I did a whole series of video. For those who don't know, E339 source before we came a real business for Ryan, we made videos on just like how to repair the cars ourselves because they were great write-ups about them, but there weren't and great stuff on forums, but there weren't videos at the time.

So Ryan thought they did it to do that. And I would occasionally make entertaining stuff to go along with that. And at that time, we'd started going to like a BMW event called Timmyfest. And that's what actually, right before we started to meet like the current group of friends we still have to this day. Because right around then we all started, we all still had like 525s and 528s. And then we all like got in fives. leveled up to M5. And now we all still have M5s.

We're all still really close friends. And so that view actually, like, it makes me very fond of that period of time. It's a great shot through the sunroof. Which honestly, it gets me a shot. Ether and Iensworth is one of the rare businesses that went from YouTube to brick and mortar. Actually, it's really the dream for all YouTubers to be honest. Okay, next question from Big Ultima Hater 6. If you guys weren't working in car-related jobs, what would you be doing for a living?

Philippa, what is your answer to this? Yeah, before I joined cars and bids, my prior jobs were all in the education data space. I worked with school districts on education finance. Education data. Worked with school districts on like accountability report cards, stuff like that. So that's where I would still be. What do you think is duller? The McLaren supercar series or Felipe's previous life in education data and finance. It's a tough race to the bottom. What do you think he was doing every day? Like, oh, could you imagine? I was primarily working with school districts and also writing a lot of ETL. A lot of what? You lost me there. It fell asleep.

transform load. It's how you, it's like, the Breeding lot of move data around and I think he's found something more boring than the 19th Super McLaren in a row. So that's what you'd be doing still.

Yes, I might go back to it. We hope never. Kenan, what would you be doing? I probably, I mean, I would probably be one of my other passions that I would have pursued, either it's watches or something. You'd be selling watches?

You'd be selling chel. No, no, I'm working for one of the men. Manufacturers would be probably one of my things I've imagined or one of the companies at markets I mean ubleau? You mean a group or I hate Ublo? I don't know anything. You'll be watching. Brand I can think of.

So Rolex is the first one that comes to your mind? Timex. I don't know. Timex. It's getting further away from it. Yeah, I'd probably pursue one of my other passions. But yeah, working in like for the watch industry. Or for the cello industry.

Or working with in the music industry. No, no, no, no. Not the music industry. Just the makers of cellos. You work in the music days? of them. You work in the music bits? Like, did he?

Yeah, because he and I have so much. That's like, what was he driving? Got to be something cool, I would imagine. I can only have. You don't think he had like an MDX, like an A-Speck, probably? I don't think so. I don't know what I'd be doing. What would I be doing?

Filippa. Not in the automotive space? You'd be tough to imagine. It's hard to envision. Yeah, I've never not working. I think I could see a reality where you are still doing some, like, like office excelie job as you did a portion. But I was looking at automotive that.

I always have loved real estate even more than cars. Yeah, I would maybe be in real estate. All right. Loan originator. Yeah, but you do like, you're a great writer though. I could see you still working in a journalistic capacity for something. I write descriptions for home.

I would love. Come see this beautiful. Oh, maybe it would be quirks of features of house. Like those great tours you did many years ago. I love this. That's where you would have found your niche. Next time I'd like to sell a house. Can you write the description?

Yeah. If you pay me the realtor commission. At the moment, that's very negotiable. Next question, we're going to two more questions. Next question from shirts, too. Challenge for Canon. Do a German Trump impression. Oh, my goodness.

You know, I need to think on that. Can you do each individually first? Do a German impression, do a Trump impression, and just combine them. I can do the two arguing, maybe. Let's try it. Don't understand in your country. You have to have guns. you just, everything, everywhere.

There's so many guns. Your flags, everyone don't understand. Look, we like guns in this country. You're not going to tell us. We won the war. You can't go over here to tell us. That's true. That's correct.

It was a dark period in our time. But we have a very safe country. You have all these problems. There are no problems here. Combine. Combine them. There's no way to do it. The problem with combining them is that there is a vast difference between Trump,

who's sort of the stereotypical American, at least to Europeans. Yeah. And the stereotypical journey. who is the stereotypical European to Americans. Yeah. Right. Yeah, exactly.

It's very difficult. It would be hard to do. You can't really, it's like you can't just mix and match them. It's not the impression's work because then guess what? It's not a good impression about what you do. I mean, yeah, yeah. You could do Trump talking about German things. Right, right, right.

It might work, but it doesn't really make. Can you talk about Octoberfest, please? Trump talking about Octoberfest. They like beer. They like beer over there. I say, wow, there's somebody of a tits of beers. They didn't know that. A lot of beers.

But, you know, one thing that goes with beer, America. That's what goes great with beer. Not this German crap. They're so good every time. Okay. Last question is from Excuse M3. So it's like, excuse me, but excuse M3. I like it. Very great.

This is to Doug Kennan and Filippo. Thanks. That's the crew. What is your opinion of enthusiast cars with rebuilt titles that are repaired properly? Do they have a place on cars and bids? Would any of you consider buying a sought-after car for cheaper due to having a bad title? So second question there is, do they have a place on cars and bids? Yeah.

I've always felt that cars and bids should be like very democratized in terms of what it sells. Sometimes Kenning gets mad at me for selling bad E-39 M5. I'm like, look, you don't get it. He really does. He gets so mad at me. And I'm like, look, look, look, but people might be wanting a track car. People might be wanting, like, then don't get an M5. Yeah, no, but they want an M5 because they're a fan of the platform or they love the S-62

or whatever it is. It's a big tent, man, big ten. My point is, like, there is a place for those cars in all situations, and I don't like to be hoity-twitty about it, because my view is you never know what somebody wants to do. Maybe they want to drive one of the desert and run over a television. I don't know. And so what I'm thinking is... What I'm thinking is,

is that there's always a place for those kinds of cars. Personally, would I buy one? Not unless there was a specific reason to, and a good example is that M3 wagon thing that we sold. Oh, yeah. Like, I would never really buy one

or that GLK that's live right now. That's one. Yeah. That's okay. I don't think it's outshadowed. It had been hit, I think. But I wouldn't want to... But this car would be...

was a rebuilt title, but what they did was they rebuilt it into obviously a much better car than it it ever was, because real thought went into it. And this is kind of the only way to get one of these. Most people are not taking regular nice ones and turning them into it. I think that I agree with you. And fundamentally the reason for that is it's salvage titled or rebuilt title depending on the state because the insurance company thought that it wasn't worth enough to merit fixing. Right. Generally it means that it was damaged just way more than you can fix. But the exception that I would personally consider is there are older cars that I value. but that the market doesn't really value, where repairs aren't actually that expensive,

take like a nice sob 900. It's not worth anything. It's worth $1,000. Yeah, I mean, a parking lot of dent would probably total that car. So, like, there are cases where I would consider it, but it's not usually for newer cars. Like, the savings don't attract me enough. Yeah, I mean, I would always worry a little bit about safety. Even with a car like this, like what was put back properly and all that.

This one was maintained, was repaired a tremendous professional way, but you're still kind of wondering, And so that would always be my concern. But I would do it if the perfect car came up, which we've sold a few cars like this that were rebuilt and sort of reborn as a better car. And that's when I would consider. If you really think about it, a lot of classic cars fundamentally salvaged rebuilt cars.

Think about how many like... By being a classic. Just by being 1920, whatever. Think about how many incredibly high value Ferraris or whatnot. Really have been rebuilt a lot of time. A lot of GTOs got smashed at their time. Oh, I mean, that's... And like, truly true.

of those cars have basically no real parts like that. At the same time, there's a serial number. They were two chas if you cut out the bent tube and you welded it in a extra. But no, there's a good point. I would consist. It would be a hard pitch personally, but would you ever get one rebuilt car? I would, it would have to be something really, really special.

Generally, I would avoid it pretty much like everybody else's because I just want the peace of mind. And also, I don't want the story when I go to sell it, ultimately. Yeah. Right. That's true. Although if you can buy it for enough of a bargain, then this is, The story just kind of you benefited from it.

The next day of benefits. Yeah, but, you know. The real key is title washing it. Am I right? Okay. Shout out to the state of Florida. All right. Thank you, everyone, for watching.

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