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Episode Date: January 10, 2025

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and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippa. And there's a lot to talk about. Let's do the news. Starting with, we are recording this today. Today's Wednesday. It goes up on Friday.

There's a massive fire rolling through the Los Angeles area. And people don't care about disasters unless it's happening in their area. So a lot of people are going to be like, whatever. They're going to skip this. This is a serious. This is a serious thing. It's a huge deal. Also, very tragic.

Very tragic. Like a real thing. Now, I appreciate, by the way, all the text messages I've got. from friends in the East Coast saying, I hope I'm safe, I am safe, we don't live in Los Angeles here. I've tried to make that point, but it's just everybody thinks that LA and San Diego are really close together. They are not.

They are not. But anyway, it's a really, really big deal. Obviously, it's tragedy from human life perspective. There are several fires going right now. The one in Pacific Palisades is a huge, huge, huge deal. I have friends up there. I filmed a ton of my videos in that area. Even if you're not from L.A.,

Pacific Palisades and Malibu are where you hear about the rich people with insane car collections. that's where a lot of them are. From a human life perspective, this is a, you know, dangerous and sad situation. Incredibly. Taking it to a car perspective as this is a car podcast, you know, the big story was this bulldozer moving cars out of the way. That was like a big thing that came out of this.

Because it's quite a scene. It's quite a scene. They got video of it. It was safe to shoot while they were doing it. But the real story that's going to come out of this is the loss of property, both homes. People aren't understanding. Like, no. There are going to be multi, multi-million dollar, very valuable special cars.

lost in this fire. As of this morning, so this was early on, because the fire is still about zero percent contained. It's actually true of the three biggest fires. They're all about zero percent contained when we're filming this. Early this morning, the report was that there were 20,000 dwellings fully destroyed. And those are expensive dwellings. People don't understand.

Like, this is the wealthiest of the wealthy, the highest end of the high end stuff. One day in Malibu five years ago, I was walking down the street and a guy was backing his endzo out of his garage. Yeah, that might be gone. And when fires like this happen, they spread so quickly. It's hard to know that where it's coming and if it's coming for you. And people in this area generally kind of take cover. But a lot of these areas are, I mean, neighborhoods,

these are like neighborhoods that aren't even really in next to canyons or forests or whatever. And some of these houses, particularly the really valuable ones, like are not necessarily people's primary house. They might be somewhere else. Or if you're at work and all of a sudden there's a fire, you can't necessarily get home because of this situation. Right. Cars are blocking areas. With all the traffic.

Totally. I mean, L.A. is known for its traffic. And especially some of these areas, there was kind of one road in, one word out sort of things, or narrow roads to get in and out. And people, you know, there's a ton of traffic. People are blocking. It's not possible. And it's not the first thing in your mind. I mean, to be honest, to be honest, it wouldn't be for me. If there was a fire near me, I'm just going to say this right now, because I always see whenever there's a hurricane and the videos show all the cars, be like, why didn't they get them out? And it's like, you don't get it. Like, hurricanes turn at the last second. It happens all the time. Dammit, you're in an area that has never been damaged before in 100 years.

You think you're safe and then there's one hurricane that comes and damages it. These people in Pacific Palisades never would have thought. I mean, some of these houses are 30, 40, 50 years old. These areas are not areas that are typically under in fire. A mile never winds. Things move quickly. Incredibly quickly. I literally, it wouldn't even be on my mind to try to get the cars out.

You get yourself out of your kids, family. The cars are insured. You don't care about your house. You don't care about your cars. Those are all replaceable. Right. It feels weird on this podcast then also say the next sentence, which is there's some cars that aren't really replaceable. And I wonder

and I wonder the story that's going to come out about some of those. I have a suspicion that we're going to hear that some really, really irreplaceable cars have been destroyed. Which is okay. Ferrari factory is going to start making some more cars. Yeah, you wonder about that. That's the thing that they have done in the past.

And you, it is. And they've announced it. I mean, there were some Enzo's that were completely destroyed that they made. As long as you have the VIN, like it kind of. Or even if you don't. As long as you have the title. I'll hope that thing go up flames too. Yeah, it is, it is a, yeah, it will take a long time to tabulate exactly what the impact of this has been, like from a financial perspective on the world. Like, it's just the property value.

And then what will that property be valuable in the future? And from the car's perspective, like you said, some of that is just gone, especially some of the really old stuff that is, because when we go to Malibu cars and coffee, I mean, we saw real heavy metal. And all those people live around there. Yeah. And, and evacuations are, I mean, this fire, I first heard about at 4 o'clock. By 10 o'clock, I mean, there were many, many, many places gone. And you're thinking about where do I take my kids? How do we get out of here with my kids, my family, my documents, whatever. And it's crazy.

The good news is that so far, there have not been a lot of reports of fatalities. Yeah, not many. As we're filming this, I've only heard of two and none in this fire. I imagine that will change. You have to assume. Who cares about the property, whatever. But it is something. It is interesting, though.

I agree who cares about the property, but it is interesting. This will be the costiest fire ever. I don't have heard anybody say that, but I have zero. out in my mind. When the homes burning down row after row the row are all $20 million property. So then you wonder, you know, do insurers pay out? Do some insurers are probably going to not be able to pay out? Does the state have to backstop some of this? Do they rebuild in this area? What does that mean for the underwriting for some auto insurers? What does it mean for Los Angeles in general? Like, does this city abandon Malibu? I mean, but it's not just Malibu anymore.

Like the fire is at northern part of San Monica, Brentwood, there are, and because of the way and how dry it is, but also small fires breaking out further east, which is insane. I mean, this could happen anywhere, essentially now, Hollywood Hills. Any of those places are scary. Yes. Embers could then be blown into neighborhoods and start smaller fires there. Those are a lot easier to contain. Those are. Agreed. But like, damn. It's crazy. The whole situation is absolutely wild, and I'm very interested. Saddened by the whole thing. It is unbelievable to watch. I have a personal friend who lost his house, a very special house, very special cars. And I'm sure it's just it's a sad situation, I think, for a lot of people. But anyway.

It'll take a long time to recover from it. Long time. If they ever do. Palisades is a cool area. It really is. I'm not a big L.A. guy, but that area is really cool. And I, I, it probably will never be the same. No, certainly not.

Anyway, next news story. Back to more automotive-related news. Nissan Z, which is a car that no one has ever seen. So true. That is so true. I saw one yesterday, and there was a real thought of my mind. Does Doug have a Nissan Z press car? this week. But that's how rare it is

that I see one. Yeah, they're not around, which is odd because they, the Z purportedly outsold the Supra this year. It's reportedly to be clear. It is based on the sales numbers released by Toyota and by Nissan. This is true.

The Nissan Z sold 3,164 units in 2024, which by the way, is up 500 units from up notably from the year prior and Toyota sold 2,600 Supras. Just to put that into perspective, I just did the calculation. That is, the number of Camrys they sell in five days. Yeah.

They're selling cars. It's pretty wild. We have to at some point admit, even as car enthusiasts, it's pretty wild that these automakers have gone to the trouble to develop these cars. Now, to Toyota's credit, Toyota stopped developing sports cars, but they have partnered with other companies, and they continue to make sports cars, and that's probably the only way forward for sports cars. In the future, Nissan used their 370 Z chassis and backup camera and a lot of other things from it.

That's right. And that's how they made it work. That's right. I'm glad for them. To make a successful. And by successful, I mean, number of cameras they sold in five days. You know, I have bad news for you. How many career GDGs do you think they sold compared to cameras?

1270. Yeah. Two days. But the point is, you know, the Supra, you're right. This was a bunch of reused parts from the old Z. This car's built in Austria. Like, at the end of the day, sports cars are just not what, at the high end, they still are. By the way, one related piece of news, a majority of Super Sol sold.

the word manuals. Of course. The way it should be. I mean, I think I learned last week that when you've had that data point that the remaining 29 manual cars, whatever it is, the majority of them are enthusiast cars. You'll buy them. At this stage, the only, the only, I mean, the sports car, of course the majority of superers are sold with manuals.

That's the type of person. That's it. That's all there is anymore. Can I ask you the question? Okay, the Nissan Z in 2023 sold 1,700 units. So they were up 79% year every year. How? Yeah.

It's surprising to me. Are there incentives on scenes? Initially, I heard there were production constraints. So they've obviously gotten the cars out. They also released the New Nismo model. Right. I'm reading here that it says that Porsche sold in the U.S. This is January to September of 24.

They sold 11,9-11. So the 9-11 is radically more popular. I mean, combined these two cars. And this is just the U.S. It's in North America. Tracks. Yeah. It does track.

a lot more 9-11s, but it's crazy. The 9-11 is like, add these two together and you're still at double. Wow. That's wild. Never would have thought. When the Z came out, because I remember when the Z came out, never would have thought that.

What, the new one? No, no, he said the Z not just in general. Yeah, I remember. Thinking back then, it's like that the portion 9-11, to see a Z felt very common, to see a 9-11 felt uncommon. It turns out things, how the tides have changed.

I'm very curious about this. In 2003, which was the year the 350 Z came out, which to me was like the revitalized, like the peak revitalization of that car. They sold 36,000 Zs in the U.S. And last year, last year, the car is brand new. This is probably the first full year it's been on sale. They managed to move 3,100. Wow.

You got to start saying sports cars are especially not expensive sports cars where they're still desirable because it's cool. Like these cars, it's just nobody has the money for an impractical car unless they have a ton of money for an impractical. car. And then they're not considering these. Right. They're buying an idolat. Yeah. How interesting. Crazy. What a... Myattas were sold in 2024. There were 8,000 Miatas.

8,000 Miatas. That's still relatively healthy, but I mean, you know, but that that's so little compared to both worth old 350 Zs in 0.191, Mazda sold 31,000 miadas in the United States. So they're not incredibly far off, but the market's cool on this. No one... Well, now that car's 10 years old. So to Mazda's credit, they do still, they came on 15. the ND. They do still yeah. I'm not wrong. Not wrong. I came out of 14, but yeah.

Mazda does still make the car, and that's really cool. But another way to justify making a sports car in this market segment is to just milk the hell out of. The days of a four-year product cycle, like N.A. was 90 to 96, 97. And then the NB was 98 to 04. Like five, six years they would do product cycles. Those days are gone. The only way to make this happen is if you just, milk every penny out. 2000? The Super 5?

20. I think 20. Sorry, I meant 20, sorry. 19, 20, sorry. 19. I went to the press launch in the spring of 19. Okay, so part came out for a 20-mile year. And that press lunch, by the way, was in West Virginia. I remember the video. Oh, it rained. Getting cozy is one of the best parts of the winter season. So it's good to buy nice clothes to enjoy the winter season as best you can. Whether you're out in the cold or enjoying a cool day

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Brand new Mustang. I was behind one yesterday. Rare. I saw one recently. The Mustang Maki, you're familiar with. It's a small electric crossover. Yes. Which one do you think sold more? I bet it's the Maki.

Wow. How did you ever guess? What were the numbers? All right. There were about 52,000 Mokies sold in 24, which is the best year ever. The Mustang. on the other hand, had the worst year it's ever had. Ever?

Ever is the headline that Motor One went with. I have not independently verified that it's ever, but it's notably not. How many they sell? They sold $44,000. $44,000. Which compared to the Super and the Z is actually still pretty healthy, but the days of crazy Mustang sales are. Do you want to guess what the second worst year was?

It's not last year. Yeah, 2020 had a little bump. The second worst was $700,000, $27,000. In 2005, when that was when the, that was when the, that was when the second worst year. the new Mustang came out, the new retro-looking one in 2005. The new one, yeah. No, no, no, in 2005 was brandy. Not the new edge, sorry.

Right, right. The new edge entered in 2004. O5, the new one came out, and they sold $161,000 in the U.S. that year. And in 2006, probably its first full year, they sold 167,000 Mustangs. Would you say 44? Yeah. But add in the marquee, how much was it?

With the Machia years. 106. They're still doing great with Mustangs. That's exactly. It's, I'm actually, it's, it's, The new Mustang, I think you can all agree is a little bit of a disappointment from a sales standpoint.

They're not, you expect the new generation to have a sales boost that has not really happened. I also find it to be a bit of a disappointment. Yeah, it looks to someone of the S550 before.

I love the new Mustang, but I have also loved the new Mustang for the last couple gens, and I don't see a great benefit. If I'm in the market, I would buy a three-year-old. I'd buy a G2-350, honestly. Same like.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. The maki is a legitimately competitive EV. And so it makes sense to me that those continue, that the Machi EV keeps going up a little bit, and the Mustang has maybe lost the end. Crazy though. It lends credence to my trick that I,

whenever I see someone and they tell me that they have a Mustang, I say to them, oh, a Machi. And if you do this to Mustang owners, they get very angry. But you're not more. No, it's a real Mustang. You can be right. But now I'm going to be like, well, I don't know. The electric one's more popular.

I didn't know. I'm sorry. I assume things are shifting. Soon you're going to have to start saying, what, a GT350? I know it's Machi actually. They should do a Machi GT350. That would be interesting. They were to do the Machi rally, the GT and the rally.

Aren't they going to do that crazy off-roady one? The rally is, I think. I think there was going to be like a one. There was talk of the Mustang brand expanding to an off-roader. There was not just talk. Ford confirmed that. Yeah. But it hasn't happened to be. There's going to be an off-road Mustang, like a rally fight.

And Tesla confirmed the, Roadster in 2016, you know? Any day now, Philippa. Any day now. By the way, you know what I got a lot of flack for? I said that thing about the Mazda 6. That's why. Oh, no.

Sorry, I thought you got 5%. I was like, the Mazda 6. I don't believe anything in automaker says because the Mazda 6. I went to the launch and said they'd have a diesel. And everybody replied, they did make a diesel in Europe. Okay, listen, it was a U.S. press launch and they never made a diesel in the U.S. They committed to it heavily too. Yeah, heavily.

Now, I will say, I went to the Jeep Wrangler, J.L. Press launch in Tucson and. 2018. By the way, that's an old car. And they committed, they said they would have a diesel. And you know what? They did. They did have a hybrid. They did have a hybrid. They're available for lease deals. They have a plug-in hybrid as well. There was a diesel for a while, but it's gone, I think, I assume. I don't think there was ever. Are there? There was, there was. There was, Kenna and I were big fans of it. Oh, a huge fan. There's a diesel. Was it made by that Italian company? It was. Three-liter Eco- Diesel. No, you're thinking of people, here's something nobody knows.

Do you remember the Jeep Liberty and the Grand Cherokee had a diesel? I thought that the Wrangler one. There was a Wrangler Eco Diesel for a little while. I recall that, but I thought it was made by an Italian brand. I can't help you out. This is the kind of thing Europeans do. Americans at baseline just assume that American companies make everything. And so Europeans, whenever, I remember when I worked at Porsche and there was a plane crash,

an Air France plane from South America crashed into the ocean, and they had to go find the wreckage. And one of my German colleagues at Portia was like, you know, a German company is the one that helped them find the wreckage. And it's like, that's a German company. I don't care about that. It really is. It really is something that only is going to attack. You know, a Belgian company was responsible for making those paper clips, actually designing them in the first place.

That is also something that my mother would say. So I feel bad that I've become that. You know, all Felipeos become their mother. Okay, move on in the next news story. We've hashed this out. Oh, yes. Okay. This cannot be a real image. It is.

It looks flat. It was not an attractive car. All right, Honda. What? I don't. Yeah, you're right. Honda came out at, at, at, at, at, uh, consumer electronics show, which happens every year in Las Vegas.

Better known a CES. Well, we call it the consumer electronic show. No human ever has. Anyway, Honda came out with a couple of concept cars. One of them was this. They're both called the zero. There's the zero SUV and the zero sedan. I was just reading the press release.

Saloon, I'm sorry. I was just reading the press release trying to find data. There's no data. It's just like tech. It's about how there's AI and how the technology is Asimaux, which is like the name of the robot and now it's the name of the technology and the cars. But there's no like, it's this long and it's going to be sold in these numbers. and it's got a hybrid.

There's none of that. No, no. It's just a debut design, and they said, this is a car. And it's a combination of a Honda-E and a Pulse Star 3. It looks to me like a regular car wearing a backpack.

But not like the Defender 130, which is a defender wearing a backpack. It's different. It's not a handsome automobile. I don't hate it. It looks like what you'd expect a car in an L-Octrowne. It's very espada-like here.

Yeah. Oh, my God, that's exactly what it looks like. I take it all back. I love it now. No, I actually think I'm into all concept cars. Of course, they never come out looking like this. Remember, my thing about the concept is when they debut the concept, it looks flashy and cool and exciting. And then when it comes out, it's the accurate TLS.

This has really ample room between the tire and the wheel well. So maybe it's realistic. We're off-roading. I will say, it's interesting that these cars are getting, if it ever comes to fruition, are getting revealed to CES. CES is not the L.A. The auto shows are dead. Dead.

The auto shows are dead. I mean, you got to wonder if the auto shows make it other a couple rounds, you know, because it's an annual... Because their local dealer wants to promote the new side. True. You touched on something there. I think, yeah, that would be all. That's what it's for. But the doers can't afford to do the displays they used to.

The manufacturers used to do. It used to be that the, in the major markets, the big auto shows, which were New York, L.A., Detroit, Chicago, Chicago. The automakers would come. And Geneva. And obviously, yeah, Tokyo, Geneva. Frankfurt. Paris, Paris.

The automakers would come and they would debut new cars there. It was such an exciting day. When like you could like, when like the new, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, show press days were happening and you knew that all of the automotive blogs had all of the photos. All the photos of all the cars. It was such a good day.

It was so cool because, because that was like it. Like, like, every car was coming out that day. And it was kind of a, it was kind of a race to see, like, who would win the day. Right. Like, who would be the story coming out of the auto show. And those days have changed. But apparently at CES, there's. enough interest in that physical show

that people are debuting cars there. Also, by the way, one downside of they're not being auto shows, you lose track of what cars are out. For example, there's a VFAS VF9. It is a vehicle that is for sale. I know, I got to send them an email. And like, because it looks weird. It looks kind of perky. Nobody knows because you don't

if you're a smaller manufacturer, you don't get the press coverage. Like, if Jeep releases a new Wrangler, they get press coverage regardless. But the auto shows kind of helped even out some of that. That's an interesting point. You really don't find out like what's on the road. Generally speaking, the first time I know a car is for sale

is when I see it on the road. Or when they send me a press car. Sure. But like for the whole time, it was when it was at the auto show in production form. Right. It was like, okay, that car is the car and driver did a piece on it, Johnny Lieberman our friend, and that's how you know. You wonder how long... But do you wonder how long... Yeah, that's close. You wonder how long CS stays a thing also.

Like, it used to be, you know, I mean, there were a number of events every year. I'd wait for Apple to release their products, and they used to have events where Steve Jobs would go and talk to people. They don't do that anymore. They still do. Well, now they do it. It's all pre-recorded and it's all virtual. I'm like, they just have something and you go and see this. It's not the same way it used to be.

So I do wonder if, like, tech companies see the value and like having. The benefit, though, of CES. Other than having small things for press people. If you want the technology, you want to hold it in your hands. Like, you want to see the Palm Pilot. The big brands, like Apple. We're holding the Palm Pilot. Apple and some others have moved away from being part of it and Mobile World Congress in Madrid, Barcelona.

Which is a big deal. But it's still a big deal for the other brands. It is nonetheless interesting that the automakers see. fit to do this at CES that tells you the direction they're going. This is more of a technology play than an automotive play. I never thought I'd be able to talk about the mobile world of Congress at on the talk. Move on to the next story.

Also, this was at CS last year, if memory serves. Memory doesn't. No. Yeah. This is the Sony Afila. It's the Sony Afila. So it's the word feel and an A on the front and an A on the back. I feel you.

Oh, that's nice. The Sony, I feel, yeah. It is made in partnership with Honda. So it is actually made by Sony Honda mobility. Okay. It will be available in the U.S. They are pretending there's a car that's for sale. In California only.

Sony is making a car? Yeah, but with Honda. So is it going to be branded as a Honda or Sony? It's going to be brand as a Fila. The front says a Fila. It's a Fila one. So this is like how TVs used to have like brands that weren't. Okay.

Can I tell you what is on their website as the main things? Yeah. The tagline is where mobility meets intelligence. they say that it starts from $90,000, which is dramatically overpriced. For this, 90,000 American dollars. And by the way, it only has 300 miles of range and only has 400-something horsepower.

So this is like lucid-air stuff. But way more expensive. Worse. Uglier and slower. For those who can't see, it has a bunch of sensors that are on the roof that look awful. I'm glad you noticed this.

That's the future. Because it says above the fold, there's starting from 8999, EPS met a range up to 300 miles, and then the one in between a second. the sensors, 40 units. 40 sensors. I will say,

40 units. I will say, when I was reviewing those Chinese cars, maybe I told you this on the pod, but when I was reviewing those Chinese cars and they gave me a spec list, like horsepower price was all on it.

But then like the eighth thing in the list was like number of sensors, number of radars, number of, and it was like, this is a thing that we're going to, I got, how many sensors are you got.

I got, you know how people brag about the number of speakers their car has or like the tire size? I think, sensors. This is not necessarily new. I remember topic you're mentioning something that many years ago. They couldn't find the horsepower figure,

but they could see what Bluetooth features it had. I mean, people used to brag about the 7 series. The E38 had more computers on than sent the man to the moon. So maybe people, maybe people brag about this. I mean, otherwise maybe it's because it's an exceptionally boring car. There's nothing else that's interesting about it. There's nothing else interesting about it. It's dramatically overpriced for the market.

What's interesting is why are they even selling it in the U.S.? California only, by the way, because they don't have dealers. they have, they will have like, just like Lucid honestly has. Let me say they'll have like, center of the malls. I'm going to teach you something, Philippa.

Yeah, please. I reviewed a Xiaomi Sue 7. I don't recall. I was here in the office. It was great. It was blue. And greenish blue. And the thing about Xiaomi is that yesterday

they were making phones, no cars, and today they're making cars, end of phones. Right. So why are they making this? Because it's time to branch out, dude. I don't know what they're making it.

It's not like Sony's a lot. I'm going to make a prediction here. I'm going to make a prediction. The automotive industry has been fenced in by regulation for an enormous amount of time. Two big regulations, especially in North America. Dealer networks? Yep. EPA and Jinn compliance.

Neither of those things are here anymore. Especially if you're willing to sell just in some states. So the dealer network thing is gone. And Sony apparently are. The dealer network thing is gone because, yes, a lot of states have allowed the automakers to just sell. sell directly. Yep. The regulation thing is gone because EVs don't have to meet emissions.

So your only requirement is safety. And that's not all that hard. And a lot of that is very formulaic. Are your headlights big enough? Me and Canon can make a, we could meet safety requirements. A long weekend with a couple cold ones is a street metal. It is fundamentally true. It's a pillow.

Yeah. And so my prediction is that we're going to see an explosion of new automakers. Which is kind of cool. And I'm making this prediction slightly late because Tesla is one of the new automakers and it's already been. around for 15 years. So it's, you could say that I'm not really at the forefront of the times with this prediction. But I'm looking at the Chinese market and I'm seeing all these new cars by companies that like didn't exist yesterday and now they make a 5,000 horsepower sedan that

jumps, which by the way should have been one of the news stories. You see that? We're going to get into it later. Okay. And it's also interesting. I wonder if it's a way for somebody like Honda who has partnered with Sony on this to, they don't really have their own EV tech. There's a way for them to maybe experiment a little bit with a brand that's, not tied to Honda explicitly. It's not branded as a Honda. They can do some weirder things.

Right. Like a odd-looking car that's massively overpriced. But maybe this is the future. Why don't the electronic companies come into this? They already making batteries. They're already making screens.

At this point, it's not that much different. The only thing people care about now with cars is batteries and screens. But here's the thing. It's like, okay, so let's say that there's this huge explosion of brands. Like there wasn't the 1920s.

Yeah, dirty. Yes, they, well, yes, there was so many that existed. And then they, they all disappeared eventually. Because they were just, how then do you begin to differentiate between these cars of like,

is it you're bragging about screens and sensors? Or is it like, they all just become the same? I'll tell you, the jumping thing was interesting because the way to differentiate is going to be, this is interesting, people have been asking me for a long time,

are you worried when cars become electric that no one's going to care about your videos anymore because they'll be about the same? I totally think it's the opposite. I think in order to distinguish electric cars from themselves, automakers are going to have to come up with weird stuff.

Electric cars are going to have to have gimmicks. Going viral is how you'll sell cars. We can call it quirks and features, if you will. But I mean that. We had the MG Cyberster in the office with its like butterfly doors. And taillights that are crazy. I mean, in order to differentiate an electric car, you have to do stuff like that. We already saw that Yang-Wang SUV that floats.

And now, released in the last couple of days, is this video about this Yang-Wang sports car that can literally jump. Now, there's not a person in the world who thinks this is a real video. This car cannot jump. But the point of it is is that electric cars, in order, they're all the same. They drive the same. In order to distinguish themselves, stuff like this is going to have to start happening. It's an interesting thing. The big question becomes about discovery.

You choose to buy an accord or a Camry because you know that's at the dealer, you know they have a good reputation. If all these upstart brands, you don't know how Sony's reliability is. You don't. And I will say, every time one fails, like Fist's. I think it reflects poorly on all of them. It does. I think everybody who would have considered a fiscor is like, oh, maybe I won't get a Ribian now.

Maybe I won't get a lucid now because I'm anxious that that brand might also fail. But I think that this could be the future of brands. Why wouldn't it be? It's really interesting. It's like from a car market standpoint. You're seeing consolidation, Nissan Honda merging. And then you also are seeing like weird new upstar brands and innovation. For companies that have money like Sony is also creating our Yang Wang, which we don't

know anything about is create. It's interesting. you're seeing consolidation in traditional spaces. Yeah. And a lot of new brands. Yeah. But Discovery does really become the question. Like, how do you choose to find out about Yang Wing?

Right. Because their video. Yang Wing is a B-YD brand. Mm-hmm. I didn't know that. But. Yes, that is. Build your dreams.

Build your dreams. Build your dreams. But anyway, the point is, the point is, these electric cars are coming. There's nothing, there's fewer barriers to entry than ever were. When I was a kid and when my dad was a kid, it was always said that the big three would be it. Yeah. And given the regulatory environment at the time, that was true. Things have changed.

And you're going to see the Sony's, and if they come out with this, Afila, which is heinous and overpriced, that's how it's going to be. But, like, cars, more cars are coming. The Faraday futures, the Rivians, the Fiskers. You mark my words. You're going to be driving around on a B-Bel. I do wonder who will enter the space, not at the 100K sedan spot. Because that's a weird spot to enter the market. When will there be a 25K?

25. 25 is hard to imagine, although those Chinese cars are affordable. In Europe, the cheap side of the market is a lot. A lot of those cars. Yeah, I agree. And I was surprised in those Chinese cars what they cost, how relatively affordable they are. These days, EVs in America have been seen as largely a luxury purchase, but that will not spend the same forever. Not everybody has entered in this price point, though.

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Okay, give us the next news story here. Do we still have news? Oh, Nissan, so we got to get through news very quickly. Nissan Xtera. Nissan is re-trademarked the Xtera name. I've been saying for 20 years that Nissan screwed this up getting rid of the Xtera. You're right. And I was right. And finally, someone at Nissan has decided to listen. They're way too late. This is how you know a recession is imminent. When Nissan finally jumps back into the off-load game. Oh, you know, we're going to sit this one out and wait and see. They set out for 15 years. Of course, they are in the offro game. Have you heard of the Pathfinder Rock Creek? Pathfinder Rock Creek and the Frontier Pro 4X, Nobody gives any credit to these cars.

What an optimistic podcast. We start with dystopian fire. Then we talk about how sports cars are dead. Then we talk about how EBs are going to take over everything. But at least we got the Xtera. The exterior coming back would be great, but I don't have high hopes. It's hard for me to believe that Nissan, what are they going to do? Do the truck?

I mean, I guess it could be good. But they're 10 years late. Four runners have been eating their lunch forever. Deservedly so, and now Nissan's out of money. What a surprise. Nissan cancels this car two days before the off-road genre takes off and then won't go back into it. It's just, Nissan is bad decision after bad decision after bad decision. And me, a casual observer idiot is sitting here thinking, I would have done this so much better.

And everybody's like, Carlos, go, it is a genius. And I'm like, just because he fit into that tuba case? Well, I will say. All right. That's pretty hard. You ever try to fit for that superiors. Good news for Nissan is up there. Nissan Z sales are up 79% year over here. And they do the Z. They sit out the off-road SUV market. How many four runners are Toyota sell last year. Four billion, all of which went for a sticker with a waiting for sale for literally 14 years. Came out in 12. Coincidentally, the year that Nissan canceled the Xtera. And yeah, it's been going on and on and on for years and years. They're still selling hundreds of millions of them. And Nissan's like, we see all these SUV sales. We see the off-roader genre. We see the popularity.

We're going to do a sports car. Just complete disaster company. Okay. Now there's a short for you, producer. Finally talking about something a show. So this is my story. No, this is not a Chevy cruise. This is allegedly the You know, I'll tell you what it

doesn't look like. It doesn't look like a Ferrari. However, this was spotted around Maranello driving around. This is supposedly Ferrari's test mule for what will be their upcoming EV. Now, their CEO, Benedito Vinya, said that EVs won't be silent. And this car is heard around making

noises of some kind. And again, it's a four-door hatchback-looking thing. I saw the video. This looks like a Prius come to life. Looks like hopefully a Maserati and hopefully not a Ferrari. You know what you should look up? You know what it looks just like? Look up the Maserati Kubang.

Oh, I remember that. You remember that? Yes, which the Q-bang is the sound that makes one of the warranty rights. The Mazurdy, this was an SUV concept Maserati had like way before they came out with the Levanti. Like, K-U-B-A-N-G. K-U-B-A. K-U-B. Bang, as he said.

Bang. Google that. This was a Maserati SUV concept. Honestly, the thing that, the Ferrari thing that was driving around Marinello kind of looks like that. That's just the Gracale. Or the normal one. The earlier concept is one we want. This is what, this is it.

That's it. You're talking about the Levanti. No, this is, looks like the Lanté. Flipo, go back to bed. I agree. It looks more like that that I thought. The Levanti was bigger and wider in SUV. Maybe they did use one of those to hide all.

the technology. Now, Ferrari is not above using mules that have no bearing on. Pull up the 348 Enzo. I know. You know about this? No. This is the all-time coolest thing. Sean, you know about this? Oh, this is great. This is the all-time coolest thing that's ever happened. This was the Enzo test mule.

They took the 348 and it was just And a 355, kind of. And they just slapped it together and they put... And you can see where it's longer. There it is. Clearly the Enzo V-12. Did they sell this in the end? I thought one of the They did. I think they made three. and they did sell one, I believe.

So they drove this around Maranella or a Modin, and they were like, oh, yeah, we got a 348. But everybody knew they were working on a new supercar, but by putting it in a 348, you couldn't. Honestly, it doesn't look bad. It's pretty cool. No, I know it doesn't look bad. It doesn't look bad.

Yeah, but this one, not as exciting as that one. Can you describe the sounds? Like, Doug famously uses monkey sounds in his videos. Yeah, it wasn't the sound. It was no, yeah, or it did a long time ago. But yeah, it wasn't that. It was kind of, I mean, it was an EV engine. any sort of sound.

My only comment on this new story is we really should buy Ferraris now. I'm looking at Porsche. I'm looking at Ferrari. I'm seeing these companies. The future is bleak. And we should buy used Ferraris now because I see what's going to happen to the market. Just like the market for those 2000s cars blew up when that all ended. I know.

This is a Ford Fusion. I mean, I'm not trying. Like, it's just, this isn't a Ferrari. And if Ferrari wants to get into the SUV game and the Ford or hatchback game, that's, that's fine. they'd probably make more money and sell more cars, but like, there is a market of people for whom Ferrari will always be gated in a big engine, beautiful, pin and farina designed, you know, Nicholas Cage era stuff. Yes, Nicholas Cage era, then there was a Nicholas Cage era.

Some of us say the Luca de Montezzozumlo-air. Yeah, okay. But you've got a great point, and that was the first thing I thought when I saw this. I've read some reports that their EV may come by the end of 2025 for the 26 model year from Ferrari. I mean, if they are, if it, if this is the point and this is what it's going to look like, it's terrifying. Again, a fact that there's, I accepted one four-door Ferrari with the Piracongway already. I'd like, I like the Pure Assanglingway. Ferrari is a public company. I mean, they got it, they got to sell cars and make money. But do the, but the, sure, but do their, the customers who

buy their cars who prop up the company want? I would argue that Ferrari would make the same argument that BMW made 20 years ago, which is we need to find new customers. And we don't, yeah, we're going to lose the manual transmission rear wheel drive people, but like BMW has eight SUVs, right, seven good ones and then the XM. And at the end of the day, like, they needed to go and they needed to ditch the ultimate driving machine and go find new people. But that's BMW, a company that builds normal cars. This is Ferrari, a company that builds sports cars. I would argue when I was a kid, BMW was known for building sporty cars. Well, sporty E. These are sports cars. I understand, but what, but they made the transition is my point. I'm not saying they're making the same

I'm saying they were sporty cars and now they're primarily a crossover brand. Ferrari was sports cars and it's a public company. They want to increase sales. That means taking the brand and bastardizing it. And I hate to say it. But we have found out,

we have found out with AMG and with BMWM and frankly with Maserati that you can mess with historic heritage brands and have it not really hurt you all that much. AMG, people made fun of me for my MyBock take that I think they should do a Mibok line of Mercedes. cars.

But they, and they're like, well, that would water down the brand. Well, no, I don't know. They did it with AMG. It didn't water down anything. My book wasn't a historical. They were a brand that made cars in the toys. No, no, but you're missing my point. My point is, I'm getting your point.

My point is you can mess with these brands and still be okay. And as long as Ferrari keeps coming out with the SP3s and the SP4 and 5, whatever the the future ones are, they probably have, they probably have cover to get away with dumb stuff like this. Portia and the Cayenne. Portia and the Cayenne. If you're ready, if you talk about a Ferrari that is going to depreciate. it like a stone. You think that... I want to be clear. They don't care. We don't know that this

is much as to be a mule for the sounds because they needed an EV to do it with so they use the existing EV. But the point is still here and it's still clear. All I'm saying is I agree with everything. And then this is why I think we should all go buy old Ferraris. But like, Porsche, the McCann, dude, I drive the Career GT. I get up next to a Macon. Do you know how often they look

over or give me a thumbs up? It is never occurred. I have never been next to a macon. Two years, 44 miles on that car. I have never been next to Macon. You see a lot of Macon's. All the time. at least one every time I drive the car. And they have never once given me a thumbs up or looked or taking a picture, anything like that. But I think it's going to, it's a, it's going to be a different.

But I could see Ferrari having, you know, offered another car in terms of like the Perosong, I don't, they don't bother me at all. Like, True doesn't bother me. It's that they're going to offer this type of car with an EV and lose the engine, which is the whole point of a Ferrari. But they can't be in the way it looks. That's all the Ferrari has, I'm not done. All Ferrari has to do is look good and sound good. And this card does, I'm not done. This card does neither.

I would argue that in today's world, all a Ferrari has to do is make money and make more money. And I, by the way, obviously, I agree with you. I'm sitting here looking at 550 Marinella's thinking, hmm. But the new era of Ferrari is different than the era of Ferrari that we know and love. This is Ferrari now. Maybe. I think we, I still want to see how Perosung Way sells. I mean, the V12 one is very appealing.

Pretty well. But I think people are buying the V12 one because it's the V12 one and they know that it's people are buying it because it's a Ferrari SUV. And I think at some point, you're going to have to admit to yourself that today's Ferrari customers, much like BMW's customers, when they expanded their lineup to seven good SUVs in the X-A. By the way, they have nine. They have nine SUVs.

I forgot about that X. Oh, I love the I-HX. Greatly still. That the buyer is changing. The person who's buying these cars is simply changing. It's going to be, it's people who want the brand. It's people who want to show off. And Ferrari is more than happy to make a lot of cars at high profit margins.

That cater to them. Can you imagine somebody who lives in London? You can only drive and EV in the center. They have their other Ferraris, but they want to have one for driving around town. That's the most of the Ferrari world. That's what's coming to mind. But really, though, I wouldn't be that defeat us about it yet. This is the future, my man. This is it.

This is the end of these brands are changing as we know them. I'm just going to stay in the past. It's more exciting there. No, it is. And I think, honestly, I think that anybody who stays in the past will be richly rewarded financially. I think that as the new Ferrari comes out, and the brand still remains hot and exciting and all the athletes have them

and all the celebrities have them, people are going to look for the past and say, oh, the Kuntas, the Muras, the 550s, all these brands, right? It's true of all of them. Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche as well, because now the GT3RS has a giant wing and nobody cares how it drives.

But the historical, people are now talking, okay, the rare stuff, the old stuff, the heritage, the history. Yeah, I guess as a kid, I never thought I would ever turn my back on my favorite brand, which is Ferrari. everybody thinks it's BMW. You don't have to turn your back car.

Well, I think I am going to if they just build cars that are completely unappealing, which in my opinion, it is. It's not appealing to me. It's appealing to the people and their shareholders.

I will say, I think they're going to continue. Their brand is very valuable to them and very important. I think they will continue making very special cars that you love, like the SP3

and like the 812. Things like that are the 12th, so it's shirindry. Grazie me too. I think that they will keep making those cars. but the future of the Ferrari brand is clear.

And all these brands. They want to make money. Look what the Earth did. Every other Lamborghini now. They sell it now. It used to be, I would be more okay with this if it meant that the Formula One team

could do better because they have more money to pump in it. But guess what? They don't. They joke. And, you know, the formula of the F1 cost cap, they can't do it.

I will say the last point on this, Italians, really known for their expertise in electronics. I'm sure it'll be a very reliable car, especially from a very reliable brand like Ferrari. Okay, we've got. way too far in the news. Way too far.

Through everything very else very quickly, but we will. Starting with, let's talk about the SLK. Is it live right now? The SLK is live right now. Pull up, there's an SLK

on the site right now that needs to be discussed. It really does. You're thinking yourself, who, you know, okay, why about this guy? Well, because this one doesn't look like an SLK,

it has the body of a Volkswagen Carmen Gia. Yep. Somebody, where is it located? Some sort of cold state. Somebody somewhere, it's in Texas.

Somebody in Texas was like, hey. Right after the cold state. You're good. Yeah, yeah. the trees are leaves are off the trees. Someone's like, hey, here's an idea. And so the idea was to put a Carmen Gia body on an SLK,

and old wheels from an old SEL. And it kind of Mercedes-old. It has a hint of 190, like, or the, like, the 300-s-a-era 1090. Yeah. It has like some. I hate to say it. It looks pretty good. Now, then you get to the interior as well.

That's okay. But isn't that what you want? That is what you want. You want, this is the thing. Everybody always wants a vintage car. Everybody thinks they want a vintage car. They don't want a vintage car. They want a modern car.

They want the look of a vintage car. This is that. This is cool. And it really is quite cool. It is. What a fascinating? Bizarre. Absolutely fascinating.

It honestly looks pretty darn good. If I saw it on the street, I'd be like, huh. Yeah, it has a bit of the 190, the original 190s-s-l look to it, but just a coup version. And honestly, with a little more flare. And like, there's kind of like some cobras. It's a cool little car. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm into it. I'm into it, too. This is the kind of thing I always hope that we get submitted on this site because it's just bizarre. It's just so cool. I featured it. I love it.

It deserved to be. Okay, Felipe, give us your update. Yeah. Unfortunately, we mentioned the loot is this last week, but somebody hit our station wagon. Somebody hit your car. We were parked in front of our house because, you know, my wife was home. And somebody in a plumbers truck hit it. They owned up to it, although they were not insured, so that's interesting.

Guess how much that? I've gotten a quote. To repair. Guess how much it will cost? $7,000. Okay, well, I totally will play. Yes. Hey, did the wheel part of it?

Yeah, is the wheel part of it? It's clearly damaged. It was damaged, but fully, though, did that earlier. Is this module full out of the car? Yes, that module, which is the blind spot sensor, fully fell out. That module alone with programming is $1,500. Oh. If.

God. You're doing tail light, you're doing bumper. This panel need to be replaced, I assume. It does not. Thankfully, it doesn't need to be replaced because that would be impossible. Because replacing it's the one that goes a little bit over. Yeah. But it doesn't need to pull that.

it all needs to be repainted. Yeah. This car is worth $15,000 to $20,000. Man, $15 to $20,000. So we're at. Team 11. No, no. That is the right number.

Not worth $15 to $20 after this. Oh. And a small accident where their truck, which is like a contract, like it's like a work truck, has like some scuffs on the side. That low speed impact, $7,000.

Seven grand. So newer cars, this is a 10-year-old car, Newer cars are so expensive. This car was in an accident, what, 18 months ago? A year. A year and a month prior. So 13 months ago it was hit.

Today it was hit or last week. And that one was like $9.000. Because the headlights are really expensive. A lot of money has gone into this car. Well, I mean, this is a tough 2020. USAA has. For this car. Yeah, it was.

I have to say, so it was $7,000 to repair. It's like, and mostly due to the tail-light, the module. The tail-light isn't that expensive, but everything, yeah, the module and programming. There's probably other electronics center there. Full bumper parking sensors are included. The point I want to make what that is, it's like if it does, if the future is that all cars

we brag about their sensors and stuff, imagine how more expensive they're going to be repaired. This is a car from a long time ago that is crazy expensive. Although they wouldn't have vengeance. You know, I was thinking about it the other day. Someday people are going to be like,

and there were little explosions inside the, under, in the car, and that's how the car moved. People are going to be like, what are you talking? Just like how we think about there are horses. People have horses.

In 100 years, people would be like, combustion? There was a combustion. And that power on fire? Like, there was fire in the car. Weren't cars catching on fire all the time?

People are going to be asthmus. And like, yes, but only until like the 90s. Then we saw that. I mean, I think we're multiple generations removed from that way,

but it will happen. No, no. It's multiple. There's going to be got, not for the average. Okay, people born today will experience gasoline power cards.

Okay, well, that's 20 years. Yeah. So, fine. Fine. You know what I'm saying? You know how time works? One full generation moved.

One full generation. You're right. There was something that's going to say about this. Oh, one of our coworkers who used to be an insurance adjuster told me a story about how when the Audi Q5 and Q7 started doing blind spot monitoring, it was in the mirror. So when somebody hit your mirror, which happens, you have to replace it. And then you have to do a full alignment for that technology to work. So anytime somebody hit your mirror and you have to replace it was many thousands of dollars, because of those sensors.

They've gone better, right? Like, that's like a simply replaceable part, but it's, yikes, indeed. Okay, we got to go on to the market report. As always, if, by the way, you want to buy a heavily damaged merchandise, so I don't have to fix it. Let me know.

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I only want to talk about one market report car, which is the BMW 1M, then we'll move on to questions. We sold the 1M the other day. for 50,500, and it had miles. What was the miles? It had 63,000 miles, and it had been used. Some mods.

And it had some mods. And one of the things that I'm interested in with this car is that it remains tremendously valuable. It does. And the thing that's interesting to me about it is that it remains tremendously valuable despite the fact that the M2 has come out and has obviously better. It's more powerful. It's more fun.

It's, you know, thrown around. And there's an M2CS, and there's an M2 competition. And those cars are excellent. They're better in every way. But this is, this car's an interesting proof. of special wins at the end of the day. Yep. Special wins out over...

Well, better. So I'm actually going, I'm flying to Arizona to review one tomorrow that has about 2,500 miles on a really, really special car. But one of the things, yeah, special wins, I mean, there just aren't that many rare modern production BMWs. That's right. From a collector perspective, it's like,

this is a wonderful car to drive. It was cemented its reputation as being lauded by journalists in its time, so much so that they ended up producing way more than they thought they were going to and built 6,300 of these. Wow. And also available, only available in three colors. It has lore around it. Then gave birth two cars that sure are better.

But then they just produced lots of those because the band was there. Right. But this was a special. And at the time it was revered. It's part of that analog era of the E9XM3, which was an awesome car to drive, the E16m5, which was an awesome car to drive. This follows in that era. And it's the collectible one of them all due to its production numbers. Yeah.

And it's production numbers and also, like you said, the lore, the specialness, et cetera. Because on paper, an M2 or an M2 or a CS or N2, do comps a better car. Sure. But this car, and its continued value holding, is proof that special is a bigger determinant than good. And this annoys me every time someone's like, don't you know, there's such and such car drives like crap, it's like, dude, don't ever drive a 250 GTO.

Right. And you love to make that example. And that is, I mean, yeah, 250 GTO is a, it's an old race car that, there are a lot of cars that are faster than. But there aren't two, they aren't 250 GTO. They aren't more special. Yeah. And this car is proving, proving me wrong.

You know, I love this car when it came out. I tried to get one, and I tried to get a used one for a long time. Then the N2 came out, and I drove M2s, and I was like, you know, the M2's better. I think I'll just pass on the 1M. And I don't know. I mean, the markets still considers this. Meanwhile, pull up what M2s are selling for, which have more power. 30.

Right. Is that true? Can you get them in the 20s already? I don't know. Yes. Look at that. Apparently. They're already in the high 20s with a tip.

I mean, it's an interesting conversation. Like, at the end of the day, special wins. Special wins. I have often thought about getting a 1M. I love that car. I've always thought it was cool. I've often thought about getting a Mark 4. Have you considered a 135 I for literally a quarter of the price?

I like special. Yeah, but that's exactly the problem. I know. That's why I think you don't think in the way that 10 and I think. You think I'm not self-aware. No, I don't think yourself aware about this. Because that's your knee-jerk reaction. I think you think about cost and entry price.

And I think that special thinks about special and special spending. Okay, let's move on to the questions. Remember, you two can submit your questions to us. You go to cars and bids.com. You click the community tab at the top of the page. And there will be a post there and it says, ask your questions. And then we'll answer the most highly upvoted questions. Yes, we will.

Every week. Yep. First question from never used blinkers. What are your thoughts on Resto Mod cars? Well, we just covered that SLK. So, yeah, I think generally they're cool. I think a lot of the time you're, sometimes you're ruining a classic to make a, to make a better car or a modern car. And I'm not necessarily into that.

Car survived a long time. I'm more of a preservationist like restorations. But for the use case. scenario being able to drive something cool that, you know, we'll start every time that will drive admittedly better than the classic. Like, it is really appealing. I love them all.

I don't care if they were classic. I love a Resto Mon. I've seen 300 SLSs get ruined. I'm here for it. I love Resto Mots. I think the concept of an old car on a new car, frame, interior, chassis, power train, electric. I love it. I love it. You hit the nail on the ones I'm most excited about.

I love the EV Restomods for cars that are like luxury cars with EV power trains. because luxury cars were never about the engine. It's not about that experience. It's about quiet. Or the Volkswagen buses or cars like that. Yeah, like where the engine is just kind of there. It wasn't necessary.

Or the 356. Let's be honest. Yeah. Let's sit here and be honest with ourselves. I would be fine ruining a couple 350. They're all ruined in my mind. I mean, I've good news for you about what happened in the last day. What?

Oh, there's a lot of them caught on fire. The fire killed off a lot of baths. I think that were a lot of 350. All right. Next question from in the can. What was the outcome of the 18,000, car challenge giveaway in which card of the winner pick. We're going to have content on this in a little bit.

We're going to have an actual video about the giveaway who won, what happened. But the short answer is Michael in Colorado won, and he chose the C6, which astonished us all. Correctly so. We assumed any winner would take the M5. They didn't. And so now we are going to sell on cars and bids the M5 and the Kyan Turbo. And Kenan told me he's going to take the steering wheel from the M5 and swap it with these screw well.

We've talked about this. We were taking photos. I think I'm going to take it. But nonetheless, I am, yeah, I'm sad that he didn't pick the M5, but this, I mean, I understand if you already, if you want a sports car, that is the only sports car, as you said many times. It is the sports car. But, you know, I get to spend more time with 339M5 around. It's nice. Next question from Dugges 12.

Doug, has there ever been any car that you filmed only to never release the video? If so, what cars and reasons are not filming? No, not really. When I go shoot, I make sure that content goes up. I don't lose a shooting day. There were cars that you intended to shoot but didn't get to, but they were generally more boring. I have been sitting on a Saturn SL for like 16 months, though, Drew. I'm waiting for the right time.

And I'm excited for that video. I'm waiting to slot. It's just like purposely to like anger me because I want to see that. Okay, so these days I shoot two types of videos. I shoot brand new cars that have just come out that are like hot and exciting. And then I shoot cars for the site. Yeah. The Saturn SL, I shot because a guy who was, you know, I shot that actually in the fall of 21,

now that I think about it. I shot it in the fall 20th. Anyway, the guy who was, he was selling a 430 scooteria on the site, and he happened to have a mint Saturn SL also. And I was like, you know, I wouldn't mind shooting the Saturn too. And so I did. And I'm just waiting for the right time. I'm just waiting to like, you know, every day is the right time for a Saturn N-Sel video. No, but the answer is no.

When I shoot, it goes up. There are exceptions probably over the years, but like very few. Very few. Next question from Car Dreamer. Question from Doug. You recently did some renovations of your house, which included your garage. You've mentioned how you have more space for cars now. Can you do an updated tour?

Yeah, I guess it's not that interesting. There's a garage. There's a car. A lot of these YouTuber garage tours, it's like, yeah, you know, here's the sink. And it's like, well. What Doug actually did was we bought Stradman's house. There's the sink. There's the sink.

You know, I have that hose bib in my garage. Do you think I could drink out of that? Well, you told me all the water in your house is filtered. The water's filtered, but like it comes out of a metal hoseb. Is that a problem? Oh, all right. Yeah. Is the fitting made of lead?

I don't think it'll be a problem. Okay. Well, listen, dude, you think I know? I don't know anything. Ken and I both don't think you do. Be an adult and use the sink. Why? Because there's not a sink in the garage.

So far away. It's up a set of stairs. Get some steps in. All right. Next question, and this is a really good one, for Kenan, from Walsh, what's the story behind the Siegel? Someone has gone on to, I guess it's your LinkedIn. My LinkedIn, yeah. And there's a picture of you, your profile picture is you in front of exotic cars, great.

But then the headline picture is a seagull. Kenan, you and I are connecting to the, oh, I take that one. It's flying to the, yeah, so a couple reasons. One, I did take that picture myself. You took a picture of Seagull. Wow. In Pacific Beach. Yeah, I was able to, I was like tracking it and I was able to get a picture, like that perfect picture with my camera. And I took it at the time because my, and I posted it on LinkedIn at the time because my ambition was to move to California. It was flying west and I took it here.

And so that was the reason I posted the Seagull. And I thought it was a great picture. And everybody's like, I didn't want to put like more cars because I didn't know at the time if cars was necessarily the industry I was going to work in. But Seagulls, obviously it became the industry, hence the profile picture. Right. But that's the story behind the Segal on my LinkedIn page. I haven't updated in a long time. That is interesting and that's useful helpful. And it's interesting because the Seagull, like, you haven't updated in a long time because

you did move to California and you did get a real job. You're doing it and you're working. And so you don't have time to update the Seagull. And so that's actually a good thing, I would argue. I think the Siegel will stay probably forever. The Siegel proved itself. Wow. It did.

It was a great picture. Okay, next question from Alec Mets 2011. Why haven't you reviewed a Suzuki yet? Okay, here's the deal. That's a great question. I only review cars. Now, two types of reviews. I may have mentioned this five minutes yet.

I don't know if we're going to make the pot. I do two types of reviews, new cars and cars that are on the site. Okay. And so as a result of that, the cars that go up that are used cars, that are older cars, are on the site. Except for that one set on SL. Except for that one set on itself. And so I don't actually have a lot of choice. I have a list.

I would say a list of 400 older cars that I'm looking to review at any given time. And from there, it just becomes a question of what happens to pop up in Southern California on the site. And so the Lexus SC-C-300, the Cadillac-Catera, the Z-3 Coupe, there's a few of these that have either just gone up or about to go up. And so, because they were here and they're on the site. An X-90 hasn't popped up for whatever reason. But if you have one in Southern California, you want to... If you have an X-90 in SoCal and you want to sell it and it's in good shape, and ideally it's either purple or has the base wheel. Yep.

I'll take the alloy. But the base wheel... You're still right. The base wheel and the X-90 was... objectionable. I mean, it was objectionable. It's like they were making fun of the people who were buying a car. And frankly, the whole car was like that. And if you own one, don't be offended. Just pull up the X-90 base wheel. Go to the side. I think we've sold a few. No, no, no, just type an X-90. Did we not sell one by our friend Myron Vernaz? Yeah, Myron Vernaz sold.

Yeah, with the dog. But that's not the right wheel. No, it's not the right wheel. Get out of this one. Uh, these all have the alloy. Yeah. Alloy stuff. You got to go to the, go to the Google. Go to the Google.com. Suzuki X90. Base wheel. I had to look that up because it was a line I wanted to send to him like X-90 base wheel. No, I don't think this is nearly going to happen. You've got to type in Suzuki, my friend. Well, I actually have for once I have to type in the whole term.

I also think that I also do X-Dash 90. No, no, no, no. It's this. It's this, it's this. It's this wheel. This three-spoke wheel come terrible. Do any actually exist with those wheels still on it? No, no.

Okay, next question. That is bad. But anyway, the answer is I will, at some point, I'll review it. It's the same reason I haven't reviewed a twin turbo through Z-32 yet. Like, ultimately, just hasn't come up on the site in SoCal, but it will, and I'll get there. And my long list of cars slowly gets whittled away. If I do, every month, I probably do eight, nine car reviews, and five of them are new cars. So four every month are older cars.

And so 50 a year. Can I add in a quick plug right now? One of those older cars is a 987 came in that you reviewed that's going live yesterday. Yes. And that's sold by one of our producers. Yes, our producer has a Cayman on the site. And I don't know if I've ever done a 9-87 video. But regardless, those cars have become such deals, I felt like it had to have.

They are. I love that. I drove it for a video on Cars and Beds, and it's such a nice one car. It is so good. I drove that and the N.A Miata back-to-back on separate days. What a day or two days. Both of them are so, are exactly the same. They're radically, radically underpowered and unbelievably amazing to drive.

The Camas is not radically underpowered. I enjoy a car that I can literally floor through several... The S was better. You can still floor the S, but it's just more powerful. Question for Kenan. Next question. Question from Tom Tinker. Tom Tinker.

Question for Kennan. Would you rather take ownership of Hoovie's entire garage, including the Veyron, or let Felipeo choose 10 cars for you to buy and own? That's easy. So easy. Whoopies... You don't get to choose anything from me. I would absolutely choose all of Hoovies cars.

I'm a nice person. I would choose cars. Yeah, but you have bad taste. I would choose all of Hoovie's cars. because I personally, Tyler Hoover is the king of O4 Rich generally. And I like

his tasted cars generally. I like a lot of the cars that he has. It's always been a wonderful academic curiosity because I'm too afraid to own most of the cars he has, including the Veroon, obviously. But yes, maybe the spirit of the question is would you be afraid to take care

of those kind of cars? But like, I would way rather do that than drive the mundane, boring, pointless, just pedestrian stuff that you would pick for me. Can you add more peeve into that? I'm sure I can't. Poor. Just outright poor choices. Next question from Cyrus S.

Who is the best tennis player? Filippo Ken and I play tennis together every morning, every single morning, including this morning. Well, a group of us play together. But yeah, you and Doug is the best. Filippo's second best. And I play, I'm there. For now.

For now. I'm the best. We've all, we all, sleep and I started the, same time basically three years ago and i have taken i initially was just doing it for exercise and then like everything in my life i started taking it very seriously and doug has which he said he said i won't do this because i'll ruin it well you've ruined it so meanwhile someone just show up a lot of fun i still have a lot of fun it is fun next question slowly going down next

next question from talon pat what happened to the monkey noise that you used to play over silly quirks and features in your older videos will you ever bring it back yeah if nick is here nick i got to bring back the monkey noises i used to do it when i edited my own videos and I think Nick doesn't want to take weird liberties like that, but I didn't care all that much when I was doing it. But yeah, okay, we'll do a couple more monkey noises. Okay, last question. Yeah. Last question. Two last questions, actually, two last questions. From BB-914, Doug, how often do you go back through the Doug score chart and update categories like styling value, cool factor based on recent developments in the car market? I want to be very clear

about this. When I launched the Doug score in 2017, I said I would be constantly changing the scores because a car that gets a 10 in features when it's six years old no longer deserves a 10 in features. I still do that all the time. So people are like, oh, my dog score was this. It's like, well, today it is, but like I change them literally every week.

Every single week I'm adjusting the dug score. So it happens all the time. So don't get a vanity plate with your dug score. Although if you want a point in time, you can go to Merch.orgthorbitz.com and buy a couple of shirts that have the current Doug score. The current Doug score that will not be the dug score forever. Final question.

Final question from Chris X. Do you believe there will ever come a time when the 997-911 significantly rises in value like the 964 and 993 have, or did the 996 break the chain? The answer is, no, there will never become that time. Anyway, thanks to everybody. Already specific subsets of the 997 market have proven that they've retained value very differently than 996. I'll amend my response to Chris X. No, except for the GT3RS 4.0.

Anyway, good night, everybody. All except that, that's fine. No, the turbo you feel is the 993 turbo of our generation. value in a way that the 996 turbo has very much not. No. And a lot of other ones have retained value. Like, the 991 is about to appreciate pass the 997 for specific subsides. No.

No, I agree, actually. Certain versions, of course. But that's true of every car. But I think he's, the general question that he's asking is, will it happen? Because even the regular 964 is a 993 say, anybody can predict the GT3s and the RS's and the special cars will go up. Obviously, it's going to happen. Will the regular ones?

No. Is the production number difference? The 996 broke the chain only in the sense that Porsche, when they came out with the 996 in 1997-98, decided to become a real company. Right. Previous to this, Porsche was not a real company.

They were a hobbyist garage. Yep. 100% good. I'm not entirely joking here. And so in 98, they were like, you know, we either have to remain a hobbyist garage and probably be bought by a company. Yeah.

Or we have to, like, start doing this. The options were go bankrupt or sell cars. Go bankrupt or sell cars. And they chose to sell cars. Really, it was buyout or sell cars. And give up to Mercedes or Volkswagen. And they decided to sell cars. And so the reason the 997 will never go up is because the production number difference is just absolutely astronomical.

In addition to the air cold, water cold thing, it's just incredibly different. I feel like regular 993s, a 9-9-34th are down a little bit. They're down from the people. They're down. But they were up compared to, I mean, when I was looking in 10, you could buy one for 30. That's no longer the case. But a 993 cab and a 997s cab are the same price. Yeah. I mean, is that something?

Okay. The 997 is still dropping. Yeah. And I don't think it's ever going to go up. Listen, there was a time when a regular 993 was like a 90 car. I think those prices have come down, but there will never be a time when a base model regular 997. Maybe some late point twos with a stick and nice shape and nice color, blah, blah, blah. But a general car is just, there's too many of them.

I think it's fine. It's a wonderful car to buy an own and like I think it's fine. That's a good point. It is great. It's nice that it remains accessible. I do think they have more potential than some later ones. I can't like then a regular one has more potential to increase than a dot 2997 than like a 991. Dot 2's.

If it ever happens, it'll be a special. 991.1.1.1.1 will last the NA 911s. So who knows? That might have something. That's a GP. K.R. Okay. Thank you everyone for watching. Another absolutely fantastic podcast.

It was my best one ever. Philippe one. No, I'm kidding. Best podcast of all time. Thank you for watching. Good night and good luck. Good day. Actually, good at a five minutes.

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