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Episode Date: February 28, 2025

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Oh, and welcome to this car pot. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippo. And it's time for the news, starting with a blurry picture. A blurry picture of an Audi. This is a news story we're doing. The Audi A6 Avant has leaked ahead of its debut. But folks, the sedan model is already out.

The leak is like, we knew what the way. Is this a news story? Okay, two reasons why it's a new story. Okay, I'm very curious. What is that? Nobody knows what Audi models have been revealed and not. Let's be honest. Okay.

First of all, it's a fact. The Q6 is for sale. Nobody knows. Okay. The A6 Avant might come to the U.S. There's a real chance of that, because it is here now. Yeah, I think there is a good chance of it,

considering they currently sell it. And the R.S.X. Avon will obviously be based on the A6Avon. So what we have is a blurry photo of an all-black one that looks a lot like the current one and a lot like the wagon version of the sedan as we expected it. I bet Audi's like, can't believe this thing leaked. That's how Germans would feel about this. Meanwhile, I'm sitting here like, yeah, this is...

We've a truck sound as a perpetrator. They'll punish accordingly. They actually will. But the truth is, this gives us no new information at all. You know what it looks like? It looks like a picture of the current one that someone actually leaked water onto and then like shows it. It's different. It's slightly different, but it looks exactly like we'd expect the new one to look.

When the I-5 came out, you said that you'd buy one. Maybe. A touring. If they came to the U.S. with an I-5 touring, I would buy it. If they come to this with an EVA6 Avant, would you buy it? Listen, I love a lot of outies, and I like things Audi. And I like Audies, and I recently had an Audi. I do not like the A6

as much as I like the E-Class in the 5 series. I'm sorry, it's not as good of a car. The materials inside are not as good. The driver assistance is not as good. The tech is not as good, and it's a harsh rider. It's a harsh ride. We'll find out how it is when it's revealed on Monday. All right, next news story.

Come on again. Give us something. Oh, yes. So just when you thought that the M4 couldn't get uglier, so I like the way the M4 looks personally. But BMW has announced that they're going to make a VR-46 version. This is the limited edition version they're going to do of the M-4. C.S. Now, VR-46 stands for

Valentino Rossi, the famed motorcycle racing. Now, of course, Doug know who do this. Well, it's correct? Oh, well, well-known. Yes. Can you give us one detail on Valentina Rossus? He's one of the most famous Motto-G-P. You know, he's the most famous Moto-GP. Can you define MotoGP? All right, here's

Motor-GP. I'm going to explain it for those who don't know. It's motorcycle racing at a track, and what happens is they race like nine laps, and then they can't do pit stops, so that's the end of the race. I'm not wrong. I was really hoping you would... I'm not wrong. This is true.

I was really hoping you would like lean dramatically in your chair. Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah, knee down. Valentino gets that knee right on the ground. That's how he wins so many races. It's why he has a BMW that looks like a Mustang. 115 Grand Prix won't, by the life. But anyway, his numbers.

So he's done 900 laps in his career. It's amazing. His number was 46 and he's turning 46 this year. He also races for BMW now in the M4GT3. And so they decided they would make a limited edition version of this car for him. Do motorcycle racing skills translate to car racing? Sure. You know, he did a video with Lewis Hamilton where they swapped back.

Like, they both swapped. Like, he gets right of the Formula One car. Lewis got to drive the bike. And it does translate. He was pretty good in a Formula One car. What about Lewis? Lewis was surprisingly good on a bike. I would be, I cannot believe their insurance company.

A lot of that happened. He was actively racing for Mercedes. Lewis was racing from Mercedes. It's like, wow. But they were so far ahead in the points anyway, it didn't matter. He could have just taken a nap for the rest of the rest of the season. But yes, it does translate. This is a special edition version.

Yes, so they're going to only build, you guessed it, 46 of these. And it has some truly horrific graphics. It's wild. The wheels have some of these like lime green Vs on what I'm guessing for Valentina. But only one spoke. But only one spoke. Well, yeah, because you need it to be a V, otherwise it's a lot of Vs. Oh, okay.

Maybe. Okay. Are the giant 46 on the side like a NASCAR? This is a character in the car. The roof is signed in lime green. But tell us the best part. Tell us about what the winner gets. Yes.

Well, real quick, to be clear, there are some, like, actual upgrades they've made to this thing. So I've done some chassis tuning with it. It's got special camber and, like, different springs and roll bars and stuff. So they actually did, like, real stuff for this. But it's some chassis tuning to, not for the regular M4. But the big, right. Just this one. Just this one.

Only 46 phone, too. I'm sure that also be easy parts to get later on in this car's life. But the big thing is that if you buy this car, what the thing is what you do is you get to go to a barbecue at Valentina Rossi's house. Okay, I have a couple of questions about this. First off, question number one, where does this make? man live. I assume Italy. Yes, that's correct. Okay. Can I look at Valenino-Rossi address? Is it all expenses

paid or what's going on there? I believe that's the idea. So it's a two-day thing because you then get to do BMW M-driving experience at the Muzano like racing Okay, can I ask the obvious question? Uh-huh. Is Valentino cooking? And if so, what? And if so, can I request

sausage? What does this cost? You're going to buy one of these? Well, if I get to meet one of my all-time icons, Valentino Rossi, Valentino, Rossi. Just checking this spelling. Supposedly, BMW didn't release it an exact number, but I have the things I read was it'd be about 155 grand.

I thought you're the normal. 155,000 United States for this? For this. Will it be? Isn't the U.S.? I believe so? Already getting allocated here? Because there's only 46.

Right. And honestly, not the most popular racing here. Well, no. The races are so short. You show up late. Also, you know, it's popular with motorcycle fans generally. This is not a motorcycle you might have observed. And in fact, it's a $155,000 car.

In fact, that looks like that. And also, I wonder if people who know him for his racing curve, like motorcycle racing career realized that he drives cars now. None of them do. I don't think you knew that. I think they probably realize that he drives cars. Right. Most people do.

It's the association I make with him is that he, the motorcycle thing. That's what I think of. So it is kind of an unusual being. Like I said, they're going to make 46. We'll see if they can sell 46. But nonetheless, one of the more bizarre Bermere limited editions. 43 will be to employees of BMW

that are begged to purchase them, but yeah. Okay. Give us the next news story, please. Ooh, some sort of ugly Kia. Not ugly. Okay, sorry. Sorry, yeah, not. That is a render of a Kia EV4.

I think that they've shown design, but it's not been seen in person. The wheels are trying. Although, I wanted you all to know that Kia or Hyundai are doing an EV day that sadly is right after the podcast. We'll sadly miss the official news. But here's why this is interesting.

Yeah. You're familiar with the Ionic 5N that has these, like, fake noises as you drive. That's pretty close. It didn't seem fake to me. It seemed as real as the day is long. Right. This will also have that technology. That's interesting because, couple things.

Was it only going to be in a performance model? So all of them will have it. This is from like some leaked news from Kia. All of them will have it. Only the performance trim will have the fake revel. the limiter. The rest will have the noises but not...

Interesting. So all EV-4s are going to have the engine noises. Apparently. Wow. I think what they actually said was that it will be available.

Well, available in the sense that the way it worked in the Ionic 5N was it wasn't standard. You had to go into some sort of menu to turn it on. So which is probably the case here. Yeah. But that's interesting because I still feel

that that's one of the best EV features I have ever been a part of. And if they bring that into regular cars, I mean, this is definitely going into other cars. What's interesting is that the way that they pitch it and some of the news around it It's less about the enthusiasm part because frankly, a BASI EV-4 is not an enthusiast vehicle.

It's to help the transition for people that used to cars. Well, that's fine too. I got to tell you, I thought it was really great, and I thought it really improved engagement and made it more fun, but also, like, did add some familiarity. I'm into it. As long as it doesn't end up looking like this. I think this looks great.

The wheel, I agree with the car looks great. Door handles would be nice because it'd be nice to get in, but the wheels are triangles. and in my world, wheels are circular. Well, I think the tire is still circular. Oh, then how does it mount the wheel the tire up? The tire is triangular and the wheel is circular or vice versa. Magic.

Magic. That's what Kia's really doing now. That's what they misdirection. It's like Trump. Right. They say one thing and they're doing something else. You know what I'm like? Oh. Right.

That's the next news story. Okay. Oh, wow. All right. We're continuing with the South Koreans with Genesis. This is a Genesis GV-90. Okay. Or a version that was shown at Samato Show.

ignore the driver's seat. What's notable about the GV90, which will be their largest SUV. Yeah. Is that they have said that one of the trim levels of it will have suicide doors. So doors like this where the back opens. To be clear for those who can't see,

Filippe was saying ignore the driver's seat. That's because it's facing the wrong direction. So ignore the fact that the driver's seat is facing back. I will ignore that. No problem. Got it. This is probably a South Korea model, so the driver's seat might be facing forward

that this could be the passenger seat. In Korea, what side of the road do you think they drive on? I clearly am wrong about it I assume they're on the left I don't remember I assume they drove on the left side of the road Oh I went to Thailand too It's hard to

Philippo if that If the driver's seat were on the other side There would be a seat here and there isn't No Korean cars drive on the normal Yeah all right on the correct side We would it not be nice if you could Swivel your driver seat around I am curious about actually

The thing that I'm most curious about this Will it have the mobster Italian restaurant Bout style trim leather You agree with me right? Like the leather trim. That's like the last scene of the Sopranos.

Almost certainly, yes. Tony gets into a GV-90 and then the screen goes black. Almost certainly. But the suicide doors, the rear doors that are hinged in the back, only the colon end does that. No, the Lincoln Continental Coach door of the SUVs. Only the colonel in does that. Here's another one. The Ferrari Puro-Songue song-y song-sons.

Does it? Yes. We consider that a hot hatchback. Song-y Puroes does it. Now this is doing it too, copycat. Theoretically. Copycat. Now, these wheels have also been stolen from the GLS Mybach.

No, no. They've been stolen and then rotate it a little. Yeah. To be honest, in all reality, I'm excited for the GV-90 because it's going to be, it must be legit. Like, I bet it's going to be cool. I wonder if this is a GLS rival probably, right? I bet they're doing that and also trying to,

this will probably be the Mybok competitor. I don't really care about a coach door example. It doesn't matter to me, but I am excited for this car. As Genesis rounds out at the SDV line. partially because the other three Genesis SUVs are all fantastic. Except for the one that isn't fantastic. Which one is it?

Which one am I talking about? Come on. Kenan, can you name any of the current Genesis SUVs? Come on. I know. The GV70. Yep. Oh, that's right.

Your uncle has it. Which one do I not like? I assume you don't like the GV60. No, the GV80 coop. Do you know that exists? Yeah. Fair. That's real.

Fair. Also, the other thing I'm excited for is to figure out what this is. Yeah. I assume that's fancy. I assume this is a VIP situation. Duked. Okay. That's just a duct.

Give us... Yeah, just not NACA. Yeah. Okay, Felipe, take us through this one. All right. Here's a man conspicuously wearing a watch. A gentleman named Peter Rowlandson. Yeah, he is the founder, Lucid.

Until yesterday, he was also the CEO of Lucid. Yeah. He has stepped down. Step down. The fact of yesterday. He will still retain some highly paid consultant position. By highly paid, I mean about 120 grand a month to be a consultant for them. But he has stepped down.

Now, Lucid has not produced or sold the number of cars that they planned to. Right. And initially, in my mind, I saw this news and I thought, okay, the board is forcing the CEO out because it's been doing well. Stock, Lucid's stock is down 13% today, 14% today. Well, he is a founder. He was a founder leaving is always a tough thing for the market. Which does make me wonder if the market reaction is a little bit not what the board expected, or if this was actually his choice. He's been around there for a while.

he made the model less. He's been focused on mid-sized or large electric sedans for a long time. What do we think about Lucid's future here? Is this a thing that's going to happen? I mean, don't you feel like it's been in question for a pretty long time now? I feel like that. I feel like it's still in question. Faraday future.

I really want it to be. Nicola Fisker. So what they did say in their press release, and I want to read those verbatim because I find it in the music, what he said was, now that we have successfully launched the Lucid Gravity, I've decided it is finally the right time for me to step aside from my rules of lucid. Doug, yeah.

Were you aware that they launched the lucid gravity? No, they haven't yet, but apparently they're going to say they did. Their current C.O, by the way, will step in as an interim CEO, and then they're going to launch a search. Whatever. The lucid situation is interesting. I'm very curious to see what happens. The cars are excellent. Yeah.

I got a neighbor who's got one's getting bought back after a lot of problems. So there's that. But now they got gravity, and maybe that'll do okay. Last week we established on the pod that it looks like a minivan. What does? The brand is teetering. Do you agree? Talked about the fact that they want to be more of a supplier.

Supplier than a car company, which... It's a tough position for him to be in because it's not... Can I ask a question that I'm just very curious about and I don't quite understand? Is it that hard to make electric cars? Yes, is obviously the answer. But, like, it's a bad question. battery. I think, do you understand what I'm saying? Half of the stuff that you have to develop when you're, like, Mitsubishi built the

eclipse and sold them. These guys don't even have to come up with the engine. Right, exactly. The whole point of electric cars is they're much more simple to build their own. And yet, all these EV companies fail. But that's because Lut's approach was we want to be the leaders in motor technology and battery technology, and they developed everything in-house. But these guys are they capitalized by the Saudis.

And that's why they're still existing. Let's be honest. Despite just losing money, losing money, losing money. They want to double the number of cars. Their 2025 forecast doubles their number of 2024 cars. Well, with the gravity that might be possible, although it seems rather expensive. Yeah. Also, I did get an ad today for a Lucid Air 599 a month lease.

Wow. I wonder if there's regret over at the Lucid Company of leading with a luxury sedan, of leading with cars at $100,000 price point. Yep. The market wants $60,000 SUVs. The market wants the Rivian R2, the market wants the Tesla Model Y, the gravity is going to be too expensive. They're working on a mid-sized SUV. $5.99 a month is actually right there. That's priced right.

Their next project that is already on our way is a mid-side SUV. Probably should have been their first project. But hey, I'm not running the car companies. Nobody ever calls me, even though I'm always right. Are you ready for your next cool car? Sell your enthusiast car on cars and bids. Trading in your car to dealers means you aren't getting the market value for your car, leaving you with less cash for your next fun car. Look at our recent sales of these cool cars compared to trade-in values. This was a trade-in offer and this was the cars-and-bids result.

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One is the V8. The four-cylinder in the C-63-MG. Turbo 6-sounder, EMI. Right. Nope. So they are going to keep some of the other, but they're going to keep the V8 and they're going to keep the V-12. That's the six-liter bi-turbo V-12. And they're going to keep making engines for Pagani, but they've said that they're going to keep the V-12 in select market.

What's that in? It's in all the Pagani's. What? No, no. S680 Mybach. Yeah, S680 Mybach. That's it. It might be it right now.

Is there an S-L-65 still? No. There's no more G-65. No. G-L-S-S-E-E. All right, so they're making a V-12 solely for the S-680. Well, but, you know, they'll come out with some others. Maybe they'll put in the C-Class, too.

Listen, that motor, it's actually pretty impressive because that motor's been around for 20 years. Came out no 6-0-5 for the S-L-C-L-L-S-65. One of the great-ins. It's still going. One of the great-old. engines. And one of the other things is that that means that they're the only manufacturer, the only German manufacturer

who still has a V12 in the web, because BMW got rid of it. Audi doesn't make a W12 anymore, so like they're it. And Bentley is out, right? So that whole Volkswagen group is lost 12 cylinder engines, right? It's just the S580. So you want a V12? X-80. Whatever.

The S580 is a V8. Yes. But, so, yeah, but that isn't that amazing? Well, I mean, it's another example of what we've been talking about day in and day out on this podcast of another automaker that's maybe a little bit KG about committing fully to EVs. So there you go. They said also for the V8, they're working on hybridization.

So I imagine that means the C63. That makes sense. That's a good point. The C63 was so poorly received. And they list, yeah, by you, by everybody. It's going to be a V8. Yeah. Or, sorry, Lisa V6, maybe V8.

You know what they ought to do? Sounds like it's going to be a V8. You know what they ought to do? V12, that C63. Throw that six leader in the C63. This is like when Lucid should have listened to me. Now Mercedes Ben. We have a C-43 in the office I'm looking at.

Can you tell Deeter use the language that he would understand and tell Deeter to put his V-12 in a... Put the V-12 engine back in the car. Put it in the smallest car. Big engine, small car. It's a fantastic thing to drive. It is a fantastic thing to drive. Actually, I imagine the way distribution. You know what's funny, actually?

I'm driven a lot of cars with that engine. I'm not in love with that engine. I hate to say. But it's such a cool. The engine works great in the Maibok. The Waira, it is not for the Wira. No, the Zonda was always more excited because it had that naturally aspirated punch, thomp, like, but it's like you don't want to wait for the wind, which it's ironically named after. Like, that's not the...

The engine is not intended for a supercar. It's intended for high-speed Autobahn cruising. It works great in an S-680. It works great in an S-65 and an SL-65. In a Waira, which is supposed to be a high-performance car, it's an engine where you put your foot down and go high-speed. It's not necessarily you accelerate very quickly. Like it's for... It's not athletic.

It's heavy, and it feels heavy. It's substantial. I love the power train, but it works. I drove it in the SL-65 Black Series also, and it's not the best motor in that car either. It makes sense, because that car is so hardcore in every other regard, and then the engine is, and the transmission is not the fastest shifting. It's a G-T-focused, turbine-like.

It's like a jet engine. It's a jet engine in a commercial aircraft. It just builds and builds and builds, and in a sports car, what you want is a fighter jet. And it's just that's exactly right. Can I connect two stories? Oh, when we just talk about Valentino Rossi. They're going to put the V-12 in its motorbike.

One of Lusid's announcements a year or two ago was that they were going to provide Aston Martin with electric motors. Yeah, Astor Martens has since said they're not going to. But now Aston Martin could buy some V-12s. Well, yeah, and Aston Martin's already, this engine is already in Aston-Martin vehicles. I thought there was no more V-12. Well, they make the V-8. The V-8 isn't the V-8 managed. It's this V-8.

So maybe they'll put a V-12. It's good news for Aston-Rton. That's great. But nonetheless, I'm filled to see V8s and V12 sticking around. Another automaker says no to EVs. Okay, give us our next, not no to EVs. I'm sure Mercedes will make, oh, my God. What the hell is this?

Can you as well, can you, okay, so both of you know what this is based on. So for those of kids, if you're watching, go comment right now with what you think this is based on. This is the ugliest thing I've ever seen in my life. Well, I agree. So, out of Japan. I've seen those headlights on a bus. out of Japan there's this company that has decided to build a supercar based on an Italian supercar that we know and love and that is the Lamborghini Diablo this company is called

I'm not kidding it's value progress value progress and they're making a car called the beast that's what they've named this thing they're based in Fukushima this is the second worst disaster to come from that city and it is absolutely horrific it looks like somebody took a Diablo and put it through a shredder and, like, collided it with, like, a Cadillac of some kind. It is one of the ugliest things I've ever seen. Now, they said that they want to, quote, surprise people. He did. Modifying the Supercarb.

Boy, howdy, did they do that. Surprise. Now, it still uses a 5.7 liter of you told me to a 5-speed transmission. That's the Diablo use. Exactly. They even told us which 5.7, they even told us which version of the Diablo this is based upon. Whichever one they could get. Right. Would you got to imagine was a base real-year-world.

I know they claim there's going to be more, but this is a one-off. First off, no one else is going to buy one, but also they're not making all this body work twice. No, no, no, no one's going to be able to replicate this. Honestly, if they could replicate that twice, that would be very impressive. Value progress, dude, it'd be value progress. For what it's worth, they did say it was a one-off, thankfully. They said it was a one-off? Oh, what a shame. It doesn't share a single body panel of the Diablo.

No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't, though. But this came across my, like, feet, and I tried. truly think of all the vapor of vehicles, this is the ugliest. Can I be my favorite? Pull up a photo of the rear. Oh, yes. The rear of this thing is.

Oh, my God, that's the rear? I'm looking at it right here. That is insane. Progress beast. Things I never thought I would type in. Yeah, the rear. Oh, that is. This is, no, no, pull up this.

This is one of the craziest things I have ever seen in my life. It looks like a jet engine rear-ended a, you remember in cars? Like when the truck is driving along, they have all those modified cars like pull up and the one has the speakers on and like starts to play soft music to slow it down. That's what this thing looks like. You know what this is? This is the first car that has made the Lamborghini Venino not look ugly.

If this was next to a Venino, people would be like the Venino has restraint. Can I actually? Wow. What a tasteful vehicle. I mean, yeah, Mansori would be, must be envious about it. Man Sorry is looking at this going, oh, they got new ideas. Value progress out did us again. Damn, back to the best of the Basterds.

Why start with the Diablo? Yeah, because they had one. Because they have the. That's exactly why. All right, let's move on to the Talk Cars segment. Talk Cars, Talk Cars, we're going to talk about cars. And in this segment, talking about Cars. And by the way, this segment is brought to you by Kennett.

Kenan. He does impressions. First thing I want to talk about is the Cletus McFarland Ultimate Race. Do you guys know Cletus McFarland? I know he has a racetrack. He's a YouTuber. He has a racetrack. He's in North Carolina. I don't watch a lot of Cleetis video.

I assume he was in Florida. I kind of feel like when it comes to, YouTubers in the South, you have to choose between Cletus and Whistlin. And I'm a Whistling, man. Oh, Wisland lives in India. He lives in Tennessee, okay? Don't come and talk to me about my whistling, all right? Forget about Obsessed Garage, but we'll move on.

Anyway, or Ed, honestly. Or Tavarish. I got a text from Tavarish, by the way, the other day. I want a shout out Tavarish. Got a text from Tavarish. He said, hey, man, how you doing? I'm like, what is this? Did you reply?

Yeah, I was like, I'm good, Freddy. What's up? No response. No, he did eventually respond. He was like, just making content. I'm like, is this, are we doing something with this? He's done to check in. I guess he did.

Anyway, Cletus McFarland did a race with Nissan Ultimus, because the Nissan was kind of known for being like the car that the most crazy drivers drive. Like anybody qualifies for one. They're all, they all have bad templates and body panels that are messed up. So he did a race where he had like a hundred Nissan. Whoa.

This was real. You haven't watched this video? No. Also, why? variety of Ultima. Great variety of Ultima. Some are not Ultimas, I have to say. I've watched watching the video,

there's an Alontera or two in there. There's a couple Maximus. But generally speaking, it's Ultimus of all gen. There's even a couple first genes. Somebody had a coupe. Yeah, there's a bunch of coupes. You're right, there's some... Okay.

There's some first gens. Kletes himself drove an 06 Ultima SER, which was the only good Ultima. I'm just going to say it. Yeah. Do you think I'm wrong? Nope. Actually, all the V6 ones are pretty good.

And the first... The second gen was pretty great, objectively, but... Yeah, the second gen... No, the second, the 97-01? No, the 1-0-2. The 0-2. But that's what he had.

He had the S-E-R. Yeah, yeah, that was the best. That one in general was great. Anyway, the point is, Ultima Race. If you haven't watched the video, go watch it. Who wins? I don't know. I don't remember, actually.

I was so enamored with the video. There were several parts of the video I repeated several times, including at one point a fuel leak is developed in one of the vehicles, and they're worried about it. And so rather than try to stop the fuel leak, there's a race going on, They flip the car over so the fuel doesn't continue to leak, and then they just continue racing. I mean, not with that car, but with other ones. That's brilliant.

That's brilliant. That's brilliant. This is grade A content. This is pretty solid. Who was driving these cars? Was it people just random people? People just showed up. I was actually kind of interested in it because some people like really race cared them, like pulled out headlights and stuff.

And other people like just drove it. It looked like they showed up with their Ultima. And all the cars got destroyed. I mean, you can imagine this is like a tiny oval and there's like, 200 Ultima's on the track. Anyway, it was great content. And Whistland, you got company. Right.

Whistlin doesn't have a racetrack. No. Cletus does. Cletus does. Wait, he's in North Carolina. Cletus is in Florida. I'm wrong. He's in Florida.

He was in North Carolina, but he bought a racetrack in Florida, right? Whistland is in Tennessee. Ed is in Georgia. Freddie's in Florida. Yep. You are here. I'm here. Right.

And who he is? Thousands of miles from any of these crazy folk. And who he is. But I like to watch the content. He's in Wichita, which is the South. I really thought you were going to say indent to the U.S. Wichita is the beginning of the South. Because Oklahoma's the South, right?

And Wichita is like just, just up here. Like if Hovey does some bad stuff, he goes and hides in Oklahoma for a couple days. So they don't. So like the heat dies down. You know what I'm saying? There's some advice for you, Hovey. Or anybody in Wichita, honestly. Okay.

Moving on to our next talk cars topic. I'm afraid of what Kennons is, but go ahead. Yes. So this past weekend I went on a Ferrari Owners Club driver. I've been a member since I was 16. You don't want a Ferrari. You don't have to be a member of the owner's club, which I always felt was very weird. Called the Ferrari Owners Club, but you don't have to be an owner to be in the club.

But yes, but I was an owner who had one, and I drove mine in the club as well. Went on a drive out to the desert, which was a lot of fun. We then went to a winery, which was great. And we had about 30 cars that show up, so 30, mostly Ferraris. I think there were like fires of cars that weren't Ferraris, including my M5. But we would stop periodically, and all three times I ended up behind someone different. but the cars were the same. It was a $3.55 and a $5.50.

And I got to say, after all the pain I went through with mine, which you were both present for, that is a really special car, and I still wall on. It just is so beautiful, and it sounds so good, and it's so cool.

I'm glad for you that you can get the vast majority of that experience which is seeing it and hearing it without owning it. I like all the cars that started, all them finished, which is a cheap mistake. in a Ferrari on his club drive.

But it's just... You wrote on this list that you think it's the most... In our doc, you wrote that you think it's the most special exotic car per dollar. I stand by that, yeah. The problem is, it's just so heartbreaking to own. Well, to buy, I didn't say to own. The 360... Well, to buy, I agree with.

Although Pantera's up there, too. You ever look at a Pantera? Pantera's good, but, you know, they mount the... Didn't they mount the... It's in a hard car. Pantara's cool for the money. Yeah, it is. 355, I agree.

but like it's so heartbreaking to own. The 360 is just like it's uglier. It's not as emotional. You have to buy a 360. Like a human being has to buy a 360. Like if you're looking at these cars, you look to 355, you lust after 355, you want the 355, you buy a 360.

I know several rich people, ultra rich people, like ultra, ultra-rich, who couldn't continue owning a 355 because they were too expensive to run. I think, so what I learned from my ownership, experience with mine was that mine was serviced and serviced a lot. And so I bought it, it had the big stuff done, the valve guides, the headers, the ECUs for the cats. Like, it had all that stuff done. The problem was the shop that serviced it didn't do it well. I think

the biggest thing with the 355 was that it became, they had issues, admittedly, went out the factory. It became cheap. They were sorted out by shops that did not know what they were doing. Then they became valuable. And now anyone who wants to use one, it's very difficult. Now, to Kenyon's point, the fellow he sold the car to, who's in, like, South Dakota. Well, I sorted it out with a competent shop that knows the platform really well and has, and he texted me the other day and said, hey, just want to let you know, something like 5,000 miles, haven't had a problem. 5,000 trouble free miles. I think that's all right. Out of true trouble.

How sad is this. How sad is this? Kenan made the car good so someone else could enjoy it. We all accept, you and I accept the reality of this, right? Kevin is, you and I know the reality here. that if he gets another one, he will make it good again and then sell it because... No, no, no.

The reality is like, maybe the car still has some issues, but Kevin's a little more tolerant. I think there's no question about that. Kevin allows the car to have issues and Kenan wouldn't. Like, it's probably still leaks oil, and Kenon would have fixed that. That I would have liked it at the end. But it...

I agree with you. I think Kevin is willing to drive the car and deal with... However, the point still remains. But he's also in South Dakota. I don't think he has much of a choice. I don't know if Ferrari texts are out there. And if it would happen exactly what happened again? In my opinion, the only way to own one of these cars is

I think you want to buy one with low mileage, you want to buy one that's been sitting for a really long time, then you want to take it to your mechanic, have someone who is good, someone who is good who really knows the car, have them do the big service on it, and then you have a shot at it. The problem is I just can't imagine putting $40,000,

which would be a sitting for a while update into this car. Probably like $25, I think is probably whatever. An engine out major is like $15. Well, no. And you've got to do letters, then you got to do Valve guides, then you got to do it. The BELs, then the Loyal's leaking, and then Kevin from South Dakota calls and says the leather top is flapping.

I don't know what. What, I've replaced the top, but that's the tonne on cover. 40. 40 is right. 40's right. Yeah, I think. It's a lot of money to put into just a V8 for a serial production V8 Ferrari. You have a look at that.

Look at it. I, I, Coup, agree. It's beautiful. Well, mine was lovely. But it just, there, there's some, that a car is. Can you get the Barbie one while we talk about this? Yeah, of course. I don't really even know how to describe it.

It's just, it is. so special. And to see it out there is just like... I agree. God, that is a beautiful... Go back to that last. Damn. Yeah, I know. It makes... That almost makes you want the convertible. Now, you know who had the convertible is Barbie. When Kenan bought his car, I got him this.

And it's a Barbie version of a 355 badgeed as the 355 GTS, even though actually it's a spike. And they used the correct script, but not for Ferrari. Just the F-355 NGTSC, correct? Separate trademark. No, no, no. This was an official trade. But this was officially licensed by Ferrari.

I mean, it's very, very well done. And it's even got seatbelts so that Barbie can have a safe rhyme. I think here's it was a manual. Rosa Corsa, too. It's a three pad? Yeah, her own to Corsa. Mine wasn't. Roso Corsa, red over tan, gated.

This is the one you want. Previously owned by Barbie, ladies and gentlemen. But I also think I realized I want a later one. And I won't one in the color I wanted. I wanted Rosa Corsa. And frankly, I bought this car. The dealer I bought it from made it look like Rosa Corset. It showed up.

And it was not. It was a completely. But it was a good color. I have to say, Rosa Barquetta's lovely. So, but I still, I just, I, I, I just like, it's, I've had enough time now, I guess that it may, it's not that I forgot. It's like, I just burn for how incredible that car. You can't.

But the wedge-eer Ferraris are all the best, my favorites. You can't. It's too, this car is too difficult to own. To have, to own one of these and use it like you want to use it, you have to have a budget that is absolutely a massive. It has to be, so there are a couple other things. I think it has to be like a fourth car. Like, this isn't a car you have.

is your second sports car, which is how I had. And I drove, in the nine months I owned the thing, I put 2,500 miles on it. Three months it was the shop, I drove the car a ton. That's the problem. I think that if you actually want to enjoy the car, you can't, you have to have just massive budget. And I'll tell you what the real issue is.

As a guy who has a pretty big budget for cars, I wouldn't have the tolerance to deal with this. Because my whole thing with cars is I want to buy them, drive, them, own them, get out of them for about even money. You can't do that with one of these. He made money, for the record. Kennan made money because he presented it beautifully and did all this work, but he almost didn't make money,

and he's got out by the skin of his teeth, which is great. And I wouldn't guarantee it. And the longer you own this car, the less likely you are to make money because you start doing another major and you start doing headers for the seventh time. And the next thing you know, you're $80,000 million into a car that's worth $46.

And you drove to said, Marco, it's like 20 times. And that's 20 times. It was not 20. No, no, but you would. 12 a year. Okay. But to my other point, though, my friend Ryan and Gary,

who've had a 355 for 20 years now, by the way, in a couple of days. They've had that car for 20. A tip, no less. Yeah, tip spider. Like, the least desirable version of the car, but it's the car I grew up around. I adore it deeply, and it is a really nice one.

They have, the only issues they ever had was when the alternative was nicked by somebody who was servicing the car and did it improperly. The only time that car has ever given the problems. Wait, didn't it break down when they were trying to load in at La Jolla Concours and the transmission wouldn't go into gear? That was another bad service. The latch on the trunk was not done.

I tighten a bolt by hand fixed it. And if you've got to tighten bolts, I don't have to do that in McCamory. It's all bolts. But, I mean, but genuinely, that car has not, that car really has not given them problems in 20 years. How much money have they put into that car? Of ton. I think counting, I think, I think over 20 years, it's about 100 grand is what they put into that car. 100 grand plus a purchase price, which was 105, I think.

So they're $205,000 into a cart with what, 60, 60, 65? That's not a great proposition, to be totally honest. No, but if that, but I mean. Ford GT, and they'd have spent nothing on it. Yeah, but then, but Ryan's scoffing right now listening to this thing. I would never own a Ford. I would rather own a Ford than a tip for the tip of spider. But I will say this, the 550 in front of it also, I was like, oh.

Also, I'm killing car and disgust as being pretty reliable. Although I've started to get a little into 550s and I, the forums say the 575 is the more reliable of the two. But then you have a problem. You have a tip. Tip. Or you have a conversion or you pay up for a stick. There's no, I've thought about this every way. There's no good angle unless you're willing to just deal with tip.

And that's not. I've driven the tip one I drove that we sold on the site was honestly not bad. I was actually quite surprised at how well it shifted and how like it, how well it knew to do down shifts and things. Like it was actually. God, that cool looks so good. It was more the suspension. 575 looks so much better than 550. It's wild to me.

Like I would obviously rather have a 550 because of, but it looks so much better. The five spokes, the tighter corners, just little stuff. I disagree. I like the 550 more. But I like the fangs and I like the fog lights, and this one doesn't have fog. So much Ferrari talk. All right, fine. Give us some Bugatti talk, Felipe.

This past weekend at the Carson coffee that we attend. Kedden was not there. I drove through it with the FOS. A Shiron showed up. Bugatti Shiron. Wow. And everybody flocked to it and stood in the street, blocking the street, till I left.

It was wild. I mean, we see some pretty crazy stuff with great frequent. I've never seen this level of attention. Like obviously a Kuntash. F50, F40. We see those. Right. And this got way more attention

than the F50 does when it shows up. I think because we've seen it a lot. Yeah, but the guy who has the F50 who runs the cars and coffee, he shows up fairly often. And so almost everybody's, like I don't go over to the F50 anymore. I went to the Shihon.

Now, it was being driven by Houston Crosda, which is one of Kenan's idols. Not so. We're going to leave that one alone. It just, I was obviously, It's a special car. Yeah.

At the same time, no, it's a special car. It's a special car. If I had infinite money, the first thing I would do, the first thing I would do, well, first off, I would buy you into slavery. But the second thing I would do is buy a shiron. I would just be like, I'm in, I'm shiron, and I would daily it. And I'd come up to your house, I'd pull up and say, hey, man, I'm hearing my shirone. You'd be like, but me and my wife are coming.

I'd be like, deal, deal. Sit on. One of you got to go in a trunk. We're driving the shiron tonight. It's obviously a special car. Very special car. No, dude, it's the coolest car. I'm just surprised by the differential level of attention it got.

You don't see it. Outside of car week, I can't think of the last time I saw one. Actually, it was the year before. They're incredibly expensive to drive and own and run. Are they? Yeah. I thought the shirov was better than the Veyron. And as much as people like to talk in these circles about how that, you know, I got a shiron,

they're afraid to drive it because they're afraid that it'll get damaged, but they're also afraid to lose value on miles. Because when these things come up with miles, they don't bring sticker anymore. They bring a lot less than still. Really? And a 10% 20% hit on a shiron is $600,000. And that's a lot of fun. The secondary market is that?

The secondary market is, oh, with miles, because you can find them all day long with zero. All day long. If you want a shirone with no miles today, there's five available. Sticker or above? Yeah, sticker a little above. Which is pretty good, actually,

for a car like that. Those BS Lamborghinians, like the new Kuntosh, sell way under sticker because they're stupid. The shirone is not thought of as stupid, but they're findable. And so if you actually want to use yours, you better be mega. go rich because you got to be okay with losing

$600,000 if you put on 5,000 miles. And that's a, that's a tough So you don't see it at all. You don't see him, nobody drives them. When was the last time you saw Xi on the road? I don't know that I ever have. I mean, truly, on the road, I don't know. During Carwick, yeah. My best experience was Carwick, I was going up, I've going up 17 mile. And, you know, like, if you

go from Carmel, you know, you go up and you kind of have to, there's like road to turns, you have to wait. I waited and it was Wira, Rira, Chiron, Shiron, Shire on, Shire on, Shire. It was, it was, which that's car week. Some good cars and some bad Yep, yep, some shirons and some cars. But it is, man, 5,000 miles on a shirons would be incredible. It is an amazing car.

It would be amazing to do. The problem is the people who own those cars, a lot of them really are thinking of it is a very special occasion, very special investment. They take them on drives with other Bugatti's. They take them to car week. That is not a car you just drive around. No. And so it's very uncommon that people do do miles on them. You never see them at cars and coffee.

That makes sense. I found it to be very special. Even to this day when I see one and I see a lot of stuff and I drive. a lot of stuff. When I see a Sheerone, I'm like, wow, that is a wow. They run too. I'm like, oh, holy crap. Maybe even more so, just because of how much harder it is. They're just very special cars. Sheeruner just seems, something about the styling and the known reputation for being drivable makes it seem more pedestrian than it is. It is a little bit pedestrian. You think of it as a Bentley in a way, but like, it just isn't. It's just a tremendously special hypercar.

So got all the attention in the world. I'm telling you, it is the one I would get. If I had, if I had infinite money and just would need like a just a in your face daily. Oh my God, it'd be so cool. I'd get a Shirown and I would never talk to either of you ever again. You would have bought me into slavery. Oh, you don't have talked to me then. I would, yeah, exactly, exactly. Who would I buy you from?

Probably yourself. Probably yourself. I think you would be like, you know what? You're offering enough. I will do it. I will go into slavery. Okay, so next up, it's time for the market report. The market report is brought to you by the Cars and Bids app.

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Okay, let's talk about the market. What are we seeing in the market? I had one that was really surprising to me. Go on the... Oh, no, we're on the website. Go to the... Type an M2. I also had this on my list.

You see... No, no, no, go to this last one. We just sold this M2 Comp 54. How is this happening? The M2 comps are still bringing all the money. You know, this is a six-year-old car. And you know what? You know what really surprised?

This car sold for 50. $54,000 with miles, not zero miles, but not like... But low, yeah, 17-7. A little couple of months, still sold for 54. What was sticker on this? It wasn't that much higher than that. I don't know that we have it. No bill cheap, but yeah, yeah, no, I could...

Go back now, just type in M2 again and then sort by lowest, lowest price. Yep. There, you can buy regular M2s. Admittedly, most of these are autos, but you can buy regular M2s or this AutoZAM for $27,000. That's it. But the comps, the market has really... decided that the cops are like really, really, really desirable cars,

which, by the way, I agree with. Especially unmodified sticks. Although that one had mods. But like relatively unmodified sticks. I'm really surprised by this because what we all talked about was that the 1M was the car and it was always going to retain value and it has and it does. We sold one of those today too.

But the market seems to think that the M2 comp is as good and I agree. I think that one of the drawbacks of the 1M is that the M2 cop exists. It's like a better, tighter, even more impressive car. and it's interesting for me to see that there are these M2 comps that are still pulling, still pulling money after all of the money.

The benefit of the 1M is that it has substantially lower production. It does, but if you're a driver and you want a really good car, this is a really good car. And to be honest, it's better than the 1M to drive. It just is. Well, sure. The 1M is more special, but it is better. But the point is, I think the market is,

one thing I'm very curious about is how the market will view the CS over the years. I agree with that. I wouldn't be surprised if the CS ends up getting valued higher than the 1M, even though it's not a 1M and even though there was a base car. Like we just sold this one for 68. Which is the tip one, not manual. I bet the CS is the market really, really, really falls in love with the CS more than the 1M. Which I never thought.

I always thought the 1M because of its low production numbers would be the dream one. I bet that this one emerges. The market seems to really like nice M2s. The end of a generation is always something special. But the thing about the 1M was they only made this number and it was all the 1Ms, right? There was no CS. There was no comp. There was no long production.

Yeah, but the thing about this one is it got an actual M engine, and it got like all of the, it's a more bona fide M car than the M2. And this particular one was a really special. Sold a 1M today for almost the same as that M2 comp. Yeah, look at that. 52-5-22. But they do, they certainly. And 1M is still bringing more money for sure.

There's no question about it and the market likes it better, et cetera. But I'm surprised how well M2 comps are holding, considering that they're not that rare, that they're not like this car, which was like a really, really unusual, rare car. And I think that I have a suspicion that will hold. Not for regular M2s, and that's the funny thing. There's a gap that I think that will continue to continue to one. And not for TIP M2s.

Not Tis. No, only the man. But the fact that you can get one of those for 29 is also pretty cool. Or a cool car. 40 grand M2 comp with an automatic, which is also notable. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. Man, that's a...

Also, the current M2 is just big. Philippo, give us a market report. Yeah. Can we talk about... Can you just go to... like the website, Kenan. Just like, pull it up. Oh, not the app.

We have some good stuff right now. We have some incredible cars leverna. I know. These will all be done by the time people are watching, but scroll down a little bit to cars ending. STI and up. Like, they're just, every single car is a banger.

Yeah, no, there's a lot of good stuff. That Gold Repeat is crazy, this 992. Like, it's just truly wild. This is probably one of the best lineups I've ever seen, which is especially surprised to me, considering that it's February, G2RS, nice 4C, this M6. The G2R.

Another GT3R. Another G23. Whatever the Honda S-MX lowdown. Yeah, MKNDR, which has a Miata motor in it. We got an S&T-Cobra R, I think that one just ended. IMEAv, ladies and gentlemen. This is an excursion conversion. This is an excursion conversion of a Super Duty.

N-S-X-Type-S, which is a really special car. A real-N-Furikon. R-S-6. Also, C-5R-S6. Also, Saab 9-HU with the Sonsonic transmission, which is a manual without a clutch. Did you know about this? Oh, so this is like Vallejo? It's like Valleo.

It's like Porsche Sportomatic. It's a manual without a clutch. Wow. That must be all. I want to drive. Oh, it must. I want to do it so badly. Is it in Florida?

Where is that? Looks like it. Yep, yep. Jacksonville, Duval Diddy. I don't know that it was sold in the U.S. How bizarre. Yeah, I would love. Whoever buys this, bring it out here.

The guy who's going to buy it is the guy who bought my defender, my yellow defender. He loves a song. Truly every car. The cars we have this week are just one of our best lineups of all time, which is especially impressive considering that it's February, which is usually like winter, doesn't bring out the best cars, but I'm very optimistic for what spring and summer will bring us

if we got nice stuff like this, R6 Avant, another M2 comp stick, which will probably do well. Also, I know what else to come in. I know what else is coming up, and there's some good... You see this? Click on this. We got a Tommy Kera.

You remember these? Yeah. From Gran Turismo? We talked about them in one of our special edition. That's right. I know the kids. It's a little legend, yeah. Dude, Tommy Kera, when I was playing Grand Turismo,

I couldn't understand what this was. And they had a car. They had, they mostly modded other cars like this, but they had a car. I think it was called the ZZ. Pull it up. Okay. I hope you're right.

Oh, good copy, paste. That's brilliant. You're right. Go to images. It was like a, it was like a Renault sports spider thing. Yeah, it is. It was like a Renault sports spider thing. So cool.

The ZZ. Dang, that is good. And yellow, that totally looks like a sport. Yeah. Dang, it's cool. Okay. Let's move on to our final market report, which is Bentley related.

Pull it up, Kenan. We recently sold a Bentley Mulsan on the site, which is one of my all-time favorite of Trey sedans. It is so stately and just impressive. And this one sold with 31,600 miles for 795, which to me, it's still a lot of money, but that feels like a ton of, I can sing this was a really, really,

especially, go back to that page you were just on. It's especially good numbers when you think about, when we first, like two years ago we sold, we had one bid to 112, which was a 17. Here we are. are coming down. Now, I will say, I agree with you that it's good value for the money. However, this car has not depreciated like the

others. Like, an Arnaj is a 20 car. Mulsan, the market actually is like, eh, we're not going to let this fall. Well, I think that's because this hasn't aged. Like, the Arnage looks old, and it looked old in 2010. It looked old in 2003. I remember it. I was there.

I remember thinking they're selling it. But that was the appeal at the time. That was part of the appeal. But now, you know, the secondary market. Aside from the steering wheel, which again is the Which is one of the worst. Ever fit into a luxury car. Dude, I would drive this car all day long. Oh, man.

Yeah, absolutely. Imagine the flexing on Filippo you could do with this. Yep. And this little buzzy 500. Yep. True. Truly two completely different spectrums of the automotive world there. I love these cars.

Picnic tables. Yep. These are so cool. When I was having a bad day, maybe I shouldn't say it, but when I was having a bad day at the exotic car dealership I worked out, I would always go find a Bentley and close the door and I would work in the back of a Mulsan. Because it's just so nice back there.

Let me tell you something. The difference between a Mulsan and a flying space. if those of you want to know at home. 60 grand. The difference is this. The difference is this. When I see a flying spur on the road, I'm like, oh, when I see a Mulsan, I speed up, get the camera,

I'd take a picture. That's the difference between those two cars. As the passenger, I should say. My oral surgeon who did my wisdom teeth, daily driver, was a Mons. You're kidding. What? Yeah.

Ohio, Ohio. Moulsonsworth more than his house. White Mulsan, the color of... No, I actually, I know where he was. It was not worth more in the house. The color of teeth. He got a white one because he wanted to remember what got him there in the first. Super nice guy.

Really into course, but yeah. Okay. Next step, we're going to move on to the questions. Questions, questions, questions. Now, questions are brought to us by these microphones. You can eat them. Now. Audio listeners love that.

Now, you can ask us questions. You go to Carsandbids.com. You click on the community tab, and then there will be a post there. And it says, ask us questions. And then you can ask us questions. questions. Now, one of the things I've noticed that's become annoying about the questions is, the first person to watch the pod, ask like 48 questions, and then their questions get upvoted the highest. So here's what I'm going to start doing, beginning with the next pod,

I'm not going to take the highest upvoted anymore. Don't you think? You should see, one dude asked like seven of today's questions because they were the highest upvoted because he posted at the same time. He was like, what do you think about the galaxies? And it was like, I don't have opinions. The Ford? No, like the interstellar. Get that answer ready because it's, no, I'm kidding. The point is, we're going to start taking questions based on how good they are. So, like, if a question came in that was as bad as this G-Wagon behind me, we wouldn't take that question. We would only want good ones.

This is our producer's G-Wagon, by the way. Newly acquired, very proud of it. Can the wheels be seen on screen? No, sadly. There you go. Yeah, they are atrocity. I really enjoyed that cut away from that camera. No, we found out this is the Walmart brand.

17. Okay, questions. First question. Coming to us today, I don't have the dock up, my God, coming to us today from Wyatt R. This is a legitimate question. I saw that layoffs were happening at cars and bids. Is this a sign that the health of the business is, he wrote, winning. What was he supposed to? Waning, waning, I think. And if so, what is causing cars and bids to struggle? You know, it's interesting. This article from Autopian kind of chalked, we did do some layoffs at cars and bids, which is sad. It's hard. Layoffs are the worst thing in the world. Obviously, for the people who are gone. But also for us, we lose people that we love,

the people have worked with for a long time. It's like a really, really, really difficult thing to do. And it happens when strategy doesn't necessarily align with reality, and those situations occur. And they're difficult, and there are difficult choices that you have to make in business. And personally, I hate it. And I remember when I worked at my YouTube channel,

it was just me. We didn't do any layoffs. But nonetheless, they are sometimes a reality of the situation, and it is legitimately a hard thing to have to do as a person who runs a business. It's not something I want to do ever again. But sometimes it's a reality that we face. When you look at your financial situation and where your business is, it's sometimes inevitable. The question is more, though, what is the reason for it?

Truthfully, I think, like I said before, it was more of a mismatch of strategy and reality than the car market. But the article from the Autopian kind of attributed it to the car market sort of. The car market is not as slow as I was expecting it would be, given how frothy it was in 21-22. The car market is doing okay. Prices are certainly down. But the market is just not, the market is not absolutely in this. This isn't 08. Cars are still selling.

They're still doing okay. Money is still coming in. It was just, in terms of us for layoffs, I think we had just grown a little bit too fast for the size that the business needed to be. But I don't, do you think that the market is struggling and that's a cause of it? It's not how I view it necessarily. The market overall, I think, is still quite healthy,

but it's changed. And the strategies that really worked for us two years ago for growth were once that we invested in and didn't really make sense as the market has changed. So, like, new cars, in 2022, 2022, 23, we're a large chunk of our revenue and volume because you could flip a rivian, you Tesla, whatever.

And now you really can't. When we invested in something that would like work well for that, doesn't really make sense in the current market. It's not the market is cool overall, but it's shifted. And certainly that part of the market has shifted and cooled. And that has... We had to adjust. We had to adjust.

Yeah, no, I think that's a good point. I think that the market has been definitely there have been some changes in the market. And so, you know, we have to adapt to it. But I agree with your point. It's not necessarily the market is bad. Like, looking at this... In aggregate, it's strong. As I look at the car market right now, I think it seems normal to me.

I think it seemed crazy before. And I've seen really tough markets in like in 2009. And this isn't that. I think go to dealers and they tell me it's the worst thing they've ever seen right now, but dealers have a tendency to exaggerate that sort of thing. My sense is that the market is okay. Right. It feels, and based on what I'm seeing car values at, it seems normal.

Like, I've seen cars depreciate again. I'm seeing cars sell for what I would expect they would. Well, it might be bad for dealers who buy. bought inventory at that high price at the time and now are stuck. I mean, but that's busy. Sometimes you have to cut your loss. I also think there's a lot of dealers who, especially this is true of new car dealers, who base their baseline on their best days.

I go to new car dealers and it's just in, oh, we're, things are just so far off. It's like, well, they're far off of what? Well, they're off the all-time high. They're trying to sell a Jaguar F pace. I'm like, those dealers have always had it tough. even in 21. Okay. Next question.

Canon, I'm sorry. We've got a lot. You guys aren't going to be answering? I'm going to take over for me. All right. Next question from Clapped Out E88. What is the best special plate, special license plate that first comes to mind for you guys? You guys mention all sorts of special license plates I've never heard of.

What is the one that comes to mind? Okay. I'm going to take you on a little tour today of some of the great special license plates in our world. I would love that. There are some U.S. states that have better ones than others. And I'm going to tell you right now, straight up, your really good states. You're really good states.

Did you prepare notes for this? I did. Hawaii, Arkansas, you don't have type anything just yet, but we'll get there. Hawaii, Arkansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Oregon. Those are your really good states. North Carolina? The problem with North Carolina is a lot of the plates just use the regular design and then a picture. Interesting. And you can do punctuation in North Carolina, but that's not what the question was.

Okay. I'm going to tell you some. of the ones. Did I mention West Virginia on this that I just gave? West Virginia counts too. I'm going to tell you some of the ones that I want you to look up some of the special ones. First off, one of my all-time favorite license plate, look up the New York Lunar Lander license plate, please. Let's start there. Let's just start with the New York Lunar Lander plate and we'll go on to more beautiful ones. If you are a human listening to this because of the podcast. Yeah, thank you so much for watching. We appreciate it. New York Lunar Lander. When these come up on

on eBay, they sell for $600. I want one. Okay. Now let's move on to Beautiful. Um, Kennan, I'm going to blow your mind with a few of these. Okay. Look up, first off, look up Hawaii's special plates. Nobody knows these exist because nobody's, you don't see cars from Hawaii. Here in San Diego, we see cars from Hawaii a lot. Hawaii is the coolest special plates. This is one of them.

It has some old boat. Some Hawaiian's going to tell me I'm insensitive, but it has some old, but it's incredibly beautiful. There's one with some sort of foul. Oh. And there's a volcano one. They are full picture, full color, absolutely gorgeous. Which is especially nice because Hawaii's regular

plate, which is very boring. It just has a rainbow and it's black and white. Came out in 1991. They did that for 40 years and then this showed up and it's the coolest thing in the world. No, go back, go back to these. Pull up this. Pull up the volcano one. That's beautiful. Look at that. It's cool. Literally never. When you go to Hawaii, if you're on the big island, you see tons of these because that's where the volcanoes are and then go back, this one is really the most beautiful one with the, with the boat. Okay, so Hawaii's got some good ones. Polynesian Voyaging Society. Here's a couple more I want you to look up for all of us. look up the Florida State Parks license plate with the kayak on it.

I generally do not like Florida specialty plates because I find them to be illegible and kind of poorly designed. That is all that one. You're in the kayak. You're in the kayak. Think about that. Gorgeous plate. That's great.

Okay. Now I want you to look up the Oklahoma support educate. We're going to take kind of a darker turn for the next couple. The Oklahoma Support Education license plate. Okay. Now you think, okay, there's going to be like a picture of a schoolhouse. Well, there is. But it's a schoolhouse.

that's looming on the prairie with this dark. This is actually, that's like the graphic, this is like what it actually looks like. And it looks like a schoolhouse that's about to be wiped out by a tornado. Abandon schoolhouse is about to be wiped out by a tornado. It actually might be on fire inside already. It's on fire and there's a tornado coming

and hell is breaking loose in this schoolhouse. But by God, we support education. You're not wrong about anything you feel. Now, on the dark turn, I want you to look up the Rhode Island GASPy Days license plate. That's GASPEE. They'll pull up from this. Yeah.

This is a surprising one. You ever see a, you ever see a full-on inferno on a license plate? Well, folks, you have now. I don't know what the gaspy days are. Obviously, didn't do any research about that. Don't really care. But there is a picture on this license plate of a ship

that is completely on fire. And I'm not talking there's a small fire. This thing, people are dying in front of our very eyes. while these people drive around their license plate. Okay, in 1772, local patriots burned the British revenue shooter, the HMS Gaspi. Now, you could solve the fire. If you had the Montana Rural Fire license plate,

pull up the Montana Rural Fire License plate. Now, this actually, we're taking a little detour, because I think this is one of the worst special license plates ever made. And it's that one, there. This, if only the Gaspi days had, this license plate, which appears to just be a photograph taken outside

of a fire station. And the text from Montana with the like drop-shed. We would have wanted to put this fire out. This fire started the revolutionary war. This fire started the revolution. We should know about this. We wouldn't have wanted to put this one out. But if you needed to, there was a square-body Chevy pickup on this

license plate. How did they come up with this design? They were like, hey, hey, Susan, do you have the digital camera? See, I think it was, I think this was supposed to be the title card for a horrible show from the 70. That is exactly what it looks like. That is exactly what it looks like. That is so true.

It would have been some crappy 70s comedy, and this was like the final thing after the names of the characters have gone across. Now, okay, I think you get one more. On the subject of the dark turn we've taken, I want you to look at the Arkansas Martin Luther King license plate. This one is going to blow your mind.

All license plates, as you know, have holes at the bottom and at the top. Oh, man. This is one of the wildest things. However, click on this. The Arkansas Martin Luther King plate, had they put the holes in the bottom, there would be a hole in Martin Luther King. And so this license plate, and only this license plate, has only two holes on the top. That is an interesting little tidbit for it.

You do see these driving around in Little Rock. Now, speaking of Arkansas, the Arkansas State Parks license plate is probably my very favorite of all. Wow, okay. Yeah. On the West Virginia Turtle. We got to talk West Virginia Turtle, too. This one. Oh, that is a pretty place.

Look at that. For what it's worth, just for people, go into their state website to order it. I imagine some of these are no longer in distribution. This had better still be available. It's got a craftsman slash stone hut on it. It's got big trees. Birds. It's yellow writing for God knows what reason.

That is a gradient from day to night. The R in Arkansas is a leaf for God's sake. Okay, the last one, last one, I swear. Maybe a bird. Last one, West Virginia Turtle license plate. I'm not even going to talk about the Tennessee Silly Fish or the Tennessee's sacks cat. I'm not going to talk about them. I'm just going to talk about the West Virginia turtle

license play. Type in turtle. There we go. Folks, if you live in West Virginia and I'm going to be honest with you, if you're listening to this podcast, you don't. You don't live in West Virginia. But if you do, wait, I want to see the one with numbers on it because I want to see not only how they do it, but how illegible it is.

This is what you do. If you live in West Virginia, you want to run from the cops, you can have this plate. No one can read it. And you have a turtle on your license plate. This is on a screen, and it's a sample one. I still don't know what the second character is. I know that it's... This is both illegible, this is both illegible,

and you get a turtle on your license plate. Is that part of a turtle? Is that TU? That's TU, buddy. TU from four zeros. This is good stuff right here. This is good stuff. This is high quality West Virginia stuff.

West Virginia's got a lot of great license plates. A couple of states do. You know what? Pull up the Tennessee sex cat. He's going to get mad if I'd do anymore, but pull you to know that last week, 101 people from West Virginia wash our pot.

No way. Hey, if you're listening to go order this right now. Allegible, you can run from the cops. You said sax can't? Tennessee's sax cat license plate. The thing I like about this particular one, there is a cat playing the saxophone, and I got to tell you, folks, I've been to Tennessee a bunch of times. I have never seen a cat playing. He's wearing sunglasses, too.

Okay, it's dark. It's bright. It is. Where did they get the cat? Why is it? He's a cat playing the saxophone. I love that plate so much. Okay.

Next question. Thank you for moving on, although I appreciate that. So deeply. you have no idea. Next question from Opens Max. Question for everyone. What are each of your worst automotive hot takes? Mine is that markups are okay, which has been... No, I agree with you.

Which has been hated and debated forever and ever, but I just am a capitalized. I'm pro-manufactured taking that money, but yeah. Yeah, wow, you're anti-dealer taking that money? Wow. He's a manufacturer. I'm just... People, it's so funny, in 08. Oh, I got the best deal. 25 grand off. Meanwhile,

dealer wants to mark up a car a grand. How can they screw us like this? It's like, well, I don't really like weird middlemen arbitrage opportunities. I find that odd. And so, yeah. Okay. That's not necessarily a hot take. No, no, it's not.

You got a better one? Kenan, give us a hot take. No, no. What hot takes do we remember from Kenan? Give us a hot take. Although people are starting to feel more this way now, I never thought that the FADM 3 or the GADM 3 looked bad. Always thought it looked fine.

I had never had any issues with it. I remember when I came out, you liked it, yeah. That was fun. And now people are telling me, you know, it doesn't bother me. me so much. It's like, yep, that's how BMW design language usually works. It's a great car. Comes out, it's initially reviled, and then it becomes like, it ages.

You have a great hot take. What's your hot take? You have some. Well, you do have some, I can name some of yours. Give me. Mazzradi Grand Turismo is ugly. Although, did you see the red one? I don't know if it's live right now. We got a red one coming up, and I looked at it and I'm like, you know,

maybe it's not ugly. After all this time, there is a bright red one. It's not live yet, but it's coming. it is absolutely cool looking. We don't really sell them in colors. Like this? Yeah. But this is like one of these.

The photos are always things. It's not modded, but it's like a later version. It's not modded from the factory. Modded from the factory, yeah. But this was like an 09 red, and it was like, wow, okay. You feel that the prowler looks best with the bumpers. Yeah. Yes.

And the 4GT. I don't disagree with that. 4GT. Yeah, that's what a lot. A lot of people think that the 4GT looks best shaved, I think, Shaved is what we say in the community. In the community. But we're talking about the rear bumper specifically.

So a lot of people think that without that, which I actually am one of those people who think it looks best without it. And so was the designer, he told me. But I just personally think that like the way it was presented is how it is in my mind. And you start to mess with it and you start, like these wheels.

You start messing with it. You mess with it. I get to two more questions. My hot takes are always correct. So they're not. There's one with it removed. Yeah. I think that looks much better.

but you don't have any hot takes? I feel like my hot takes are usually spot on and correct and people accept them right away. He usually agrees with himself. Okay, okay. Two more, quick. Number one, rank from, oh yes, yes. Remember last week we did the Ferrari?

You can't spring this on me again. I was flustered, I take it back, the 348 is not the worst Ferrari. Okay, but my least favorite. This is different. Now rank the V12 Lambos. This is tough. This is just as hard.

IMO. Events or last, for sure. Yes. Kuntosh first. Okay, wow. Damn. I agree with that. It defined the way all of them look.

It defined, them and a lot of other super cards. Like, Kuntash first, I would think, and this is favorite or best? I think what does the question say? It just says rank them. But I think it's both. Favorite should be best. So I think it's Kuntash. Mercy.

Wow. Mura is there. I know. Mura is there. But Mura's catch on fire. That's all they do. They look pretty. They catch fire.

They don't try to catch fire Define segment All right Walk us through your day with that mirror What did you think about the entire day? I drove around in the mirror And then it caught on fire Burned to the ground

No I'm kidding It was totally fine You thought it was going to I did Yeah at every point At every point We have watched one together At Amelia Island catch on fire

That's true I happen to see it two years in a row It's just like I think that if it what Did it catch on fire both ears No different ones Not kidding And it shares its gearbox flow with the engine.

It's just bad- The mercy ahead of the Murat. No, I think I do agree. I think that I'd have to. But it is, I don't know. No, no. Trust your gut. All right, fine.

Kuntash, mercy, Mura, Diablo, Revoelto, aventador. Ooh, wow, barely above the Ventador. I love the Rivalto. Honestly, all those cars are great. They're all great. I mean, you're talking about, like, they're all like, it's tight up there. I'm surprised you're putting Diablo that high. Diablo was third to last

I mean I like to be in the middle But above the world's up My problem with the Diablo has always been That as cool as it is And I've thought about getting one so many times And then I look at it and I'm like The Kuntash is just cooler Like the Diablo drives better

It was more modern but like The Diablo was an iterate The Kuntash was the The Diablo was an iteration on the Right I know it's not although the Kuntash is not the first of you 12 of Lamborghini It is like started

It's what Lamborghini is All designs from Lamborghini Go back to the Kuntas And supercars in general. Like when you think supercar, you think wedge, Kuntash insanity, wide, crazy. And the thing with the Diablo was,

it's the middle child syndrome. It was the Kuntash was crazier looking and just more insane in general. The mercy was much better to drive. And so it's like kind of... And better engineer. And better engineered. And although more similar to the Diablo

in a lot of ways. Than people think. I agree with that. Late Diablo is more lamebo than people realize. But it was in the middle. And that's why it deserves to be in the middle here, I agree. So that's the list.

It's Kuntash, Mercy, Murra, Diablo, Revuelto, and Eventador. Eventador's are cool to be cool to. I like seeing them around, but all tips. LMO, too, would be pretty high on that list if we threw that in.

Oh, here's a good one. This is a great last question from Keel. Keel. Don't look at the question. Don't look at it. You have to be surprised. Say you were the kingpin of a large organized crime ring

and drowning in cash. What car is a car? Would you drive or be driven in to best suit your crime lord aura? Brilliant question, also well written. What versions of German or American cars are we going to pick? You and I once did a Sunday video on this YouTube channel a long time ago. We picked all American or German. They were all were.

Marauder. But if you're a drug campaign, you don't need to look more medicine. No, you want to look men. No, I want to be the friendly drugstore. You want people to respect you, dude. You got, you want respect. Why do you think the president drives around a black Cadillac? You have respect.

Because when he shows up, people know he means business. You have respect. respect. Isn't it an escalate? What is the answer? I don't know. I'm thinking. Isn't it an escalate?

No. Why is it not an escalate? An escalate IQ maybe because then you'd be silent. Okay. No, what would you drive or be driven? And you're a drug lord. You're a kingpin of a crime organization. What do you drive it?

You're driving an escalate. You're driving a black escalate. You just want the surprise. That's all you're getting it. The cars were good in that show. Give me something better. Lincoln Continental Coach Door. Oh, if you're an old drug lord, you're a Midwestern drug lord aging, doesn't have the control he once did over the family.

Continental Coach Door. I like how small we're all thinking when, like, but what about the Bentley Dominator? A 90s SUV from, are you implying something about the Brunei royal family? No, no. Are you trying to say that there are something? You're drowning in money. You can buy it from them. Wow.

Wow. I think it's... I mean, my... My... My... Yeah. Any of the 80s, Big Bytebitt... But I also think the Pullman, the 600 grocer, is like... You're not driving on a classic car.

You're driving down... Because you're getting shot at by rival gangs, dude. Oh, E38 protection. E38 protection. It's a 25... It's just ridiculous. You guys won't take the question seriously. I'm the only one here who's answering the question.

I don't think that escalate is the... I accept your premise that it should be a large, full-size SUV. I'd go to a rangeover before I went to an escort. What was the car that Richard Hammond drove on Top Gear? It was South Africa. Oh, yeah, yeah, that would run over stuff. Yeah, that would be a good. You know what?

You know what? Also, SL-65 Black. Oh. You can't turn. Was that the problem with him? No, that car, it did have a steering wheel, so you could change direction. The thing with it was, it makes so much torque that it has trouble putting the power down. Dude, that SL-65 Black,

looks like a mean car. You show up in an SLC5 black, you're showing up to kill somebody. I'm not trying to be, it's just what you're doing. While you're pulling one up. Oh, wow. The rear is where it looks the most sinister.

Yeah, but only black. But only in black. Click on that one, it has Swiss plates. Although no Swiss plates like make a car instantly not sinister. That's so true. They're a rich banker, not. They're a rich banker.

It's like, okay, I'm afraid of this person. Oh, they're from burn. Well, okay. It's just a tall, lanky guy with a lot of money who wants to look cool. Swiss plates on an SLC5x5 black is like the equivalent of like buying a Harley and like being in a Harley group

but like really you're a pediatrician What about a S-600 with like the spindly wheels? Yeah The $10,000 car not by the way Yeah And that in itself has some like I'm a ghetto also

But this car also when you started it and goes Twah whir It's like That twas sound like it's like You just know it's like You just you just yelled at somebody You told somebody to get in line And then you got in the car

started up and you drove out of there. Hit that button. But hit the button on the start on the shifter. Boom. Yeah, that's a serious. One of these cars, I don't know, but probably it has $599. No. No.

Although kind of. There was a guy in Atlanta who was like kind of a drug lord and he got a $599. And it's 612. Colon. Oh, yeah. A little flashy. Okay. This is the end of our podcast unless Filippo has any final.

Do you have any license plates for us, Filippo? There are a couple. Can I say these are not my favorite license plates, but they're two fun facts. Okay. One is for people that don't know, a current California license plate is designed by Pierce Brosnan. And I feel like people need to know that. It's a spade neuter your pets one.

If I pull up the California Pets plate. You, that's the only one you get. No, no, no, I get one more. Pierce Brosnan did design this. And it is. Just like Momomimea. Not his finest work. It is.

There's a dog, just a cat is a bone. I actually love Pierce Brosnan. I do, too. You know, his son follows me on Instagram. It has an E30M3, a really nice E30M3. Paris is his name. Oh, cool. And then for just the humor of it.

North Carolina, I'd rather be shagging license plate. It does. State dance. Stayed dance. Shagging. Type of shagging. Yeah.

Yeah. You don't see them often. There it is. I lived the North Carolina for three years and saw one once. Okay. Special day. Kenan, do you have any, remember the Gaspi days one? Weren't you surprised?

I was a ship on fire. You didn't think that was coming in a gym? They could have conumerated that event in a lot of ways, but they chose the most hardcore moment of the Gaspi event. Yep. Okay. Kenan, do you have anything for us? Drive faster, get there sooner.

E3 and I am 5. Didn't come up today on the pod, but I'll tell you right now. I didn't say it. I didn't say it. I did say it once. I said it once. Gray shadow line wheels. I said it only once because it was the car that I drove for the FFC thing.

Thank you so much, ladies and gentlemen, for artistic, our finest podcast ever made. Certainly the best one. Goodbye.