THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - THIS CAR POD! New 4Runner Soon? Goodbye R8! $12k Modern Porsches? CyberTruck Market & MORE | EP02

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

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Welcome back to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippo. And today we're going to talk about lots of things, starting with car news. Felipe began. All right, do we want to start with the Toyota forerunner? Toyota has teased the new forerunner on Instagram. Can you explain where is the forerunner in their lineup?

Okay, here's what Toyota did that is very astonishing to me. They've moved the Sequoia into the position where the land cruiser was. Right. They've taken the land cruiser and put it in the $40,000 to $60,000. Which is where the forerunner. Where the forerunner is. Yeah. So where is this going to fall?

So from 40 to 60 you have the Land Cruiser. From 60 to 90 you have the Sequoia. Where will the forerunner be positioned? And the Land Cruises already like the off-row, like the forerner's bit. My assumption was that they were going to turn the forerunner into a Jeep Wrangler and Bronco competitor and make it like an open job, like the original one. Which might be possible still. I don't think so. I think this image kind of shows that that's not going to happen.

It looks like a full-bodied SUV with the tailgate. You need a spare tire to do that and all that. Can I throw out a wild theory? All right, you know how Chevy moved the trailblazer from a trim of the blazer to a standalone model? What if Toyota's doing the opposite with the forerner? It'll be the Toyota Land Cruiser forerner. No, they got too much equity in the name to do. Yeah, I agree.

I hope they don't do that. I don't understand it. I'm really confused by it, and I'm curious to see what they've cooked up because this, to me, does not make any sense. If you're a buyer in the $50,000 off-road SUV segment and you can choose a foreruner Lane Cruiser, you're going to choose a land cruiser. Right. That's the cool. one. Or the GX 550, which is the same exact car. Yeah, which is then in the slightly higher tier. So they have this whole section covered.

It's very strange to me. And now they're teasing it. I was curious, I really thought they would do a Wrangler. Yeah, but they did. Maybe they'll go smaller like Chevy did with the Trailblazer. It may go smaller. So maybe they'll make a, maybe they'll make it a $30 to $50,000. Right. Which would be. That's a, that'd be a fun market to be in. I think it'd be great to have a $30,000. But like, why? You're already getting people paying $60. Exactly. And also the only forerunners I see are TRD off roads. California is true, but they're really slicing this segment thin and I don't understand how they're doing it.

And what they're going to do. It makes no sense to me. Next up is the Fisker situation. Back to Fisker. Okay, this is what happened. I've spent a lot of time reading about this and I love it. Fisker is done. I mean, they're doneer than done.

The stock dropped to nine cents and was delisted on the New York stock. Correct. I don't believe. I know. So they're desperate for cash. So the ocean, they have dropped the starting price to $25,000, which makes it the cheapest electric car on sale, even cheaper than the Nissan Leaf.

The Ocean Extreme, which is the high performance one, with 565 horsepower. They cut the price $24,000. It now starts at $37.5. Now, this is only for 23 models. But are there 24 models? Well, okay, so I read that they've built 10,000 of them, and they've sold 4,700 of them,

which means they've done this, the remaining 5,000. They must have done some multiplication problem that they need, they need, if they can sell X at X average transaction price,

like they can get this much cash to survive. Cover the payroll for this period of time. Yeah, for however long. They're done. That's such a sure. I mean,

there was talks of a manufacturer, Nissan was the theory. Yeah. Investing them or purchasing them. Right. That didn't happen. Right. That has the benefit of the Saudi investment fund.

That it invested another chunk of money in that last week. That's sure doesn't have that. There's just no reason to purchase them. They have no unique IP. They have no brand recognition. They have no support. The ocean is cool. It's cool.

I think it's a cool car too. I actually really enjoy driving it. I just see no reason why any manufacturer would be like, I'm going to buy them. Right. What reason? They don't have their own fact. It's not like you're buying the contract to build it in Austria. Yeah.

Which, by the way, how the heck did they, they don't even produce? Like, they don't have dealers or a factory. How did they? It's like a company. You don't even have that many fixed costs. They have employees. Of course. There was news yesterday.

There was a report in TechCrunch that they had some internally bad internal practices. So they couldn't account for millions of dollars in payments. They could not account for millions of dollars of customer purchases. They didn't know where that payment went. And in some cases for like subscription and other things, they just didn't have payment methods for those anymore. It's a shame because I thought the product was cool. It's just the execution and the business.

It's just been. Okay. Now that it's 25 grand. Are you buying? There's the thing. Even if you bought one cheap, even if these become 10, you just have no support. And it's such an early development car.

I mean, there's no one to figure out. We already know they're glitchy. You're not going to get those things updated. So whatever glitches it has, you're stuck with them. The only thing it would be good for is if you have an office like ours and you need a sound booth eventually. When it bricks itself, you have one. I think they're really cool. The move is obviously to lease them. They're not doing leasing. They're not doing leasing. I don't think they ever did leasing.

They need the cash. I don't think they ever did leasing. They never set it up fully. Yikes. Well, that's the real problem because that's where EVs are selling. Right. Is like incredible lease deals. So like who buys it even a 25 or 35? It's a great deal. They're basically selling it at a used car price for a new car. Which, by the way, I feel bad for everybody that bought one at full price three months ago.

I saw one this morning and I was like, ugh. But hey, at least that little window goes down. It's so cool. They got that. They got that. That they have. I can't take that away from you until it breaks. Okay.

Fisker's done. We all agree, right? Yep. Yep. Next thing, what is that one? I don't know. I was thinking Genesis Magma brand.

Correct. Philippa, would you define magma for us? No. Okay, it's some sort of volcano thing. It's like, isn't magma before it erupts

and lava is after? Or is that one or the other? I do not have my volcanic knowledge. I mean, but Genesis does. And so they've come out with the magma brand. There's going to be the G80, which is inexplicably only going to be sold in the Middle East.

Yep. So forget about that. Yep. It seems cool because it's going to be a high performance. It's like right up Kennon's Yeah, it's high-performance sedan. And a big, nice sedan, and it looks good and all that. But you'd have to go to Riyadh to buy one.

So, I'll cross that off the list, I guess. They're going to send us the GV-60, which is going to come here and have some amount of horsepower. And then there's some sort of coop, which I have no idea what that is. It was so zero. It was one of their concepts from last year. That's a concept car. It looks awesome. It does.

But it will not. Therefore, it will not be made. Yeah, exactly. The GV80 on the far left there, which is their big SUV, was also teased as a. high performance vision. The GV60 magma is going to be an EV6 GT or an I5N. We assume so. They have not announced what power train or really battery specs and motors will be in it.

But yeah, we assume that. And the Ionic 5N has 600 something horsepower. Well, okay, here's an interesting factoid for you. Do you know that the EV6 GT and the I5N, Ionic 5N have different horsepower ratings? They're twin cars with the same platform, just different styling. Yeah. They decided to go different horsepower numbers. Which one is more?

The Ionic 5N, strangely enough, which is weird. because the EV6 is the, you know, cool-looking one. They're both cool-looking one. They are, but the EV-6 is like the performance-looking one, basically. But if it has the Ionic 5-N power train, 601 horsepower, 545, pound-feet of torque, clearly there's some styling upgrades. Maybe there's other, like, handling upgrades, who knows? There must be.

That'd be cool. Weird wheels. The GV-60 is a heinous car, O-E. When you put it in orange. It's worse. It doesn't... We can all agree with this, right? Benefit the car.

but 700 horsepower would What about 6001 I bet if it's any car I could overlook Yeah but I bet it's going to be more than the Ionic 5 Yeah it has to be And the EV6

Because the regular GV60 performance Has more than those And so I bet it's going to be like I can overlook a lot of heinous styling For 700 horsepower I actually love that Could you overlook an XM Have it at 700 horsepower?

Yes But if it had 700 horsepower They would charge even more money Which is just evaporates the second You would agree to it yep Right But unless cool. Can't wait to see them.

Okay, next news story. The Audi R8, where we're done. No more Audi R8. No more Audi R8. I mean, I can't imagine they were selling many over the last couple of years. On the contrary, I read, listen to this. So the TT ended production November of 23. The R8 was going to end in December of 23.

And Audi had so many orders for the last round of them that they extended production next for 90 days and got crazy sales over the last few months of the R8. Interesting. Yeah. But those people, to your point. Those people were only buying because they wanted one of the last one. Great car. It was, yeah, just a phenomenal car.

Such a usable, practical, supercar, relatively reliable, great styling. And, you know, we've had friends who had the previous generation, the first gen, the face-lifted first-gen R8s. And just a wonderful car. Like, it's going to be sad to lose that NAV-10, you know. I would argue, though, that it did what it was supposed to. It did. Oh, absolutely. As did the TT, which came out in 2000.

Like, both of those cars got people to think about Audi as something other than a weird, esoteric brand. The greatest Halo execution of all time. Greatest Halo execution ever. Ever. But it outlived its purpose. Audi has now occupied that space. We all now think of it as even to BMW and Mercedes-Benz. It was a brilliant play at the time. And they've got Lamborghini under the Volkswagen umbrella already,

so you don't really need two. Very similar cars on the same platform. Right. It's over, as far as I'm concerned. It did what it needed to do. I'm sure it will be resurrected as an electric car. It's what it kind of seems like based on the hurricane. Yeah.

But do we care? It won't be as cool as the NAV-10. Yeah. It won't be as cool as that one. Yeah, right, exactly. Doesn't even matter at this point. It's just such a good looking car. It is an excellent car.

And it just, and it gets... And you know what? It looked about as much as like it did when it came out in 08. Yeah. Yeah, they did a really great job with the styling. They innovated, but not too much. It's still hard. Yeah, well, they knew, they looked great from then, and they just made it continue looking.

What is that sound, though, that glorious V10 sign? Yep. It's over. What is the most expensive car in Audi's lineup now? Some A8 version, R-SQ8? R-SQ-8, I would bet. Or some S-8, some S-8, type thing. Of course, S-8's, that's also the biggest discount in Iceland.

I can't believe you're still making that car. So that's the Audi R8. And our next news story, Felipe, do you want to take us through this? McClaren. So the Bahrain Investment Fund, the name of which I'm blinking on. It's like Muda Maya. Yeah, some of that. That's close. Yeah. Had previously bought the McLaren's F1 program and racing program. And now, as of this week, purchased the entirety of McLaren's road car division. Wow. The day, they had previously had like a large majority investment, but now they own all about it. What a purchase. This is a company. This is, company's never been successful.

Well, except on the racetrack. But, right. But like, as a financial, I mean, I mean, they've been bleeding money. The Artura, did that ever come out? It's a great question. I haven't seen, you know, we live in Southern California. We see a lot of New Jersey. I haven't seen an art. Yeah, that's a great point. Where are those? I've seen Amira's like starting already, but not.

They have had so many problems lately. I can't believe Bahrain feels like this is a... Well, McLaren needed the money. Clearly, right? Like, this move... I could use another 100 mil. Give them the full ownership, and presumably there was some cash added here.

Well, yeah, Bahrain paid them a ton of money to buy the brand. But this is... They're taking over this, like, this brand that's just flailing. Do you know at one point McLaren was considering or maybe they did sell off

some of their heritage race cars? Yes. Yes, I had heard that. Hey, if you need the cash. And that F1 is also, I believe. Right? I think the McLaren Technology Center was part of that, too.

Oh, really? I think. I mean, it's a... But the whole situation is... I think you're right, yeah. But it is a bizarre situation. I mean, the thing about McLaren is like, you know, the road cars are fudging, but man, they're killing it in Formula One right now.

They're really performing well. And the last year they brought some upgrades to their cars and just like really, really crushing it. So I don't know. And it is interesting because the cars, I agree, the road cars are a problem. They make too many of them, too many, you can't tell the difference between you, too many special editions, too many. And they don't sell the ones they do make.

And now the 750s is out and new, but it looks like identical to the 720s. So you have to wonder. what these investors are going to do with it. Do they want to focus it? Do they want to make more? I don't think anything changes whatsoever. There's a number of Middle Eastern governments that have just a ton of cash

and have invested heavily. The Saudis have invested heavily and lucid and a lot of other manufacturers. It's just something. It's a good way to put money in. McLaren's the brand value is so strong that you're never going to lose all your money. Like someone somewhere will always have a purpose

for this brand unless of course it's Saab. Which I'm still waiting for that resurrection. The only Saab had made Formula One cars, you know, like won many, many world champions. Is McLaren the manufacturer with the best? They made Jets and won wars. Yeah. I don't know if they actually. Is McLaren the manufacturer that gets the best, like, journalist reviews and has the fewest sales?

Yeah, that's an interesting. Most... Austin's usually get pretty good reviews, too. I was thinking about this thing because I had this Maserati press car, and McLaren's like Maserati. Like, Porsche has this... You want a Porsche. Yes. And they have this aura around the brand that they can make stitching five grand

and people will pay it. Right. It's not that easy from... It's identifiable. Like the differences between like Porsches are pretty, you can tell a turbo from a base 9-11 from a cane. And thus, if you speak the language, you see one, you know. Right.

This is like, everybody thinks like YouTubers and crypto people. Right. I mean, that's it. And that's a very undesirable. If you want to spend that much money on a sports car, it's a very undesirable group to buy into. I feel like in some ways they've kind of become what Lamborghini was. Like the people that buy them, like want to show off and the doors go up.

Yeah. Billionaire doors. And like that's what McClain is. They're just not as cool as Lamborghini's ever. Well, Lamborghini was? Are you implied that they're not. that anymore? Less so. Dude, it's over.

Lamborghini is the connoisseurs brand now. Not, not what you say that, but more so than it once was. Less Ed Hardy jeans are showing up. Yeah, I agree. Although, Uris is, man. It is notable that Stradman owns no McLaren's. And none of the other really big car YouTubers have at least a non-sena.

Lambo has kind of taken over that. Lambos taken over all of that, which is embarrassing for McLaren. Like, you're trying to be showing, you're trying to do that. Lambo is just cooler. It's like, it was moving into that territory that Porsche is in already, that Ferraris in, like, just plain cool. The clearing is struggling to get there. Maybe it's because the British have no

action. Maybe it's because every single one of these cars is the same engine. They have no V-12. That is a cool car. Senna is an extreme car. An ugly speed tail, it is ugly. It is ugly. Speedtail. One of the greatest cars. Also ugly. Okay, we have three more news stories. We're going to go through them very quickly. Then move on to a market report.

Number one, there is a new infinity QX80. Correct. I'll give you some fast facts. Twin Turbo V6 instead of a 5.6 liter V8. It used to be at N.AV8. It has 50 more horsepower as old. Okay. Incredibly. $85 to $115,000. These facts aren't fast enough to make it interesting.

Okay, correct. Next. All right. Defender Octa, high performance defender. So obviously there's a defender V8. There's also this which in theory have a twin turbo V8 and some like a wider track, some off-road stuff. 626 horse they're saying

because there's one, it's already in this range of a version of the range of a sport. Now, here's my theory on this. I think that Land Rover deeply screwed up when they came out with the V8 defender making it a on-road performance car. I have a theory that this poorly named Defender Octa, for octagon's, that's legitimately, is going to be an off-road high-performance build. You can already see it's got these Bronco-Raptor G550, G-63. Yeah, whatever. I mean, that's where they should be. And that would

give them so much credibility if they did that, an off-road high-performance version like those cars. So that's my... Can I give a fun fact about Jaguar Land River? They've re-raned to J-LR and they're splitting off their four sub-brands. Defender, Ranger, Over, Discovery, and Jaguar. So this will be probably the pinnacle defender. Yeah, if you go on the website, it's already split off. Like, you click on Discovery to get to the Discovery

Sport. Not that anyone does that. Yep. If you're looking at least deals. Last one is the updated G-Wagon. The G-Wagon has been updated. It ditches the V8. The base model G-Wagon ditches the V-8 for a turbocharged six-cylinder. The G-63 keeps the turbo V8. And it finally has steering assist for adaptive

cruise control. Finally. The G-Wagon is the last nice car that does not have, it just has adaptive cruise, it does not have auto steer. But for 25, it now finally does so you can finally get one

if you're me. Here's a question. Will you be able to tell that it's the new one? No, no, slightly redesigned bumper. No, that's it. No.

You will not be able to tell. And that's notable. It's a nice vehicle, ergo. Sam will know all about it, but yeah. That's pretty much the only person. Yep. That's the new.

That's the new. We now move on to the market report. Market report. Kenan, please go first. You have a couple of interesting market report items. Yes, a couple of things. So one, F10M5s are coming down. They continue to depreciate.

We sold one recently in the high 20s. Which is remarkable that they're that. They're coming down to that level. Now, admittedly, of course, it was far from perfect. But this one was bid to 20,500. Teens, but 36, 19. 32 for one with 42,000 miles. It was modded, but still.

But still, the point is being bad. The point there, that 195 is wild. I have said for a long time, as of you, that this car is an extreme buy. Like, in the 40s, it was an amazing car. And now it's just continuing to get that way. Granted, these cars do have reliability problems. What a surprise. It's a VMWM product.

But still, I think that this is incredible that they are getting into this price. What do you think about a floor for these things? I don't know. I mean, the E60M-5 is like they're, you can get them and batch it for 10. Dude, there was a time when they were like eight for T, for clapped ones. Which a lot of them became. Yeah. I remember when.

the E39's on average past the E60 in terms of value on their ascendancy. But the E60's climbing and someday this will climb too, but it is not in its climbing phase. It is definitely in its strut. The E60 special V10, the only V-10 file. This was the last manual impact.

Last stick and... But will the auto ones rise? Yeah, dude... I think they'll pull them all upside. For really nice competition models, I think so. That's true to, comps. And the thing about these is... Canon, with respect,

it's either the most attractive or the second most attractive. I think it's my second favorite M5. It's just they are such fantastic looking cars. And it has 560 horsepower. At the end of the day it's a really really really fast car. 20-ish grand. I mean look at that car. It's a nice looking car. It was well-styled. That 5-3s in general is well-style. Still looks modern

and additionally like the technology is good. Yeah, that's good in that car. It feels like a fairly modern car still. And it still does. What's the cheapest stick one we sold? 255. 25 is the cheapest version of $2. That was in 22, but we sold one recently 35, 35, 35. You can see where the market is going. I suspect the stick ones won't drop, won't floor like the They'll have a higher floor for sure. Which was true of the E60s

also. The E66 never got down to the 8 range like the... I wouldn't be surprised of like in the 30s is kind of where the stick ones kind of... Because manually 16-m-fives or 20-something and just much more difficult to own. On the subject of insane German car deals, can you please type in 987 to the search bar there?

You know what I... You disagree on this one? You disagree with me? I mean, gets you a point first. Portia 9-8-7. Go to transmission auto and sort by cheap. Have you paid attention to this? Yep. You have. You don't think these are good deals?

No. No. Kaman and Boxers with automatic transmissions are unbelievably cheap. These are nine to $14,000 cars. Yep. There's a reason. Why don't you have one? Because I, you both have made the point to me repeatedly that I only look for the deal,

not the car I actually want to buy. Prime example of this. You're looking for the deal. Dude, you don't want a tip Kaman. Okay, but for 12 as a daily, like, Look at that For 12 For 12

Just buy the car you want And it's not a five-speed automatic You don't care Aren't they five-speed on it? Eventually there were seven speeds But still This is a point two Yeah this is a point two

My point is These tip early cars have gotten cheap And it makes you start to wonder What you can do with them Portions don't get this cheap in Ninety-six boxers are also 10 grand Just buy one of those Yeah but they had problems

987s are nicer cars And they're modern And they look modern And they feel modern And they're like to have a manual transmission I know, I know. A manual fan mission would be nice, but it's a lot more expensive. I'm saying for $12,000, you want to daily a Porsche. You can daily a Porsche.

You can get probably 25, 30 miles per gallon. You have a pretty practical car. That's a trunk's front and rear. Yeah, you do trunks for fun. That's fair. Just have some fun. For 12 to 15. I mean, that's crazy that they're that low.

You could not sold on this. It'll be a couple months and then there'd be nine. And then you'd be sold. Once it gets into the four years, Flip goes all over. Well, if that happens, one comes up at the end of the street, he's in. Why buy a car you don't want? And I think that's what this is. Because would you rather commute in a model three or a Porsche?

A thousand percent of model three. I'd rather commit to Porsche. And also, I'll commute in an Ionic 6. Okay, let's talk about that. Ionic 6. All right, there was a lease deal that was this month for 239, a month, with zero down. You can get a new...

It was it in a 24-month lease, too. Yeah, some of that. You can get a new... But think about that. You can get a new I'm even better. You can get a new I'm a new... You walk into a Hyundai deal trip. It was theoretically.

just on the east coast. You walk in, you say, I'll give you $0 today, and you walk out with a brand new car that's worth 40-something, a sticker. For $2.39 a month. You're like getting into phone bill territory at that point. Right. Like, that is a cheap car.

You need a car. Go to your local Hyundai dealer. Right. If you just need... And car. Yeah. Car. I'm sure you can get anywhere else. Let me tell you. Yeah. Yeah. Right. They said it was only available on the East Coast. I'll bet you go, yeah. But I've been watching the inventories creep up. on the Ionic 6.

You can get that deal anywhere you want. There are also stories of the dealer not having the base, which is the SC trim and stock and just doing it for an SEL. Same price. They want to get rid of them.

It's going to be true of a bunch of a bunch soon enough. Yeah. But two-third and a month really is like... Two-third and a month with nothing down. You're not even paying to buy the monthly down. Maybe I should consider that as like a beer, honestly. Legitimately.

At that price point, I mean, it's such an easy thing to justify if you need just a car. Right. For purpose. If my wife got a job that required commuting, if she didn't work from home tomorrow, I would go down to it. Why not? Why not? They're nice. They have the tech. They're like, they're safe. Or one of the other really cheap EVVs because there's a lot of cheap Ely steals. And by the way, the ony six has the base trim has the highest range, which is in the 300s.

Oh, that's all you need. It is heinous. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Deeply. There's that. The next thing I want to talk about in terms of deals, Helcats. Pull up Hellcats. Please, Kenna. Have we reached the point we all dreaded where Hellcats run their seventh owner and cheap. Go to lowest price. We've sold them recently. This was recent, a recent development, except for this one, recent development,

they have brought themselves into the 30s. Oh, man. This is 700 horsepower. They brought themselves into the 30s. Here they are. For both charger. Knock it on the 30s. That's dangerous.

And by the way, if you go back and look, if you go back to that page, the, these are, it's a 19 for 38. Yep. The 15 was sold for 39 had only 11,000 miles. And a stick. A high mileage 15. is probably a low to mid-30s car right now for 707 horsepower.

Wow, that is insane. Oh, that's going to be a problem. I don't know if it's going to be a problem. It's always been a problem. It's going to be more of a problem now. Absolutely amazing. These are going to be knocking on the door of the 20s here and not all that long. Hellcats are...

What do you think the floor is? Especially because there is no more. At the end of the day, it's a Chrysler product, so you think to yourself there is no floor. Yeah. However, it has 700 horsepower. And it's like the last. The last of that type of car.

There's a new charger, but it's not really. There will always be a demand for a 700 horsepower engine to put in stuff, too. So no matter what, there always have some value. It's like NAS defenders. But it's great news if you're in the military and just got that first check like we see a lot of people doing San Diego. It's getting even easy. You don't even need it. Go to Penn Fed and boom, you're good.

You don't even need a regular V8 one. You can go pick up a Hellcat. You get a Hellcat. 707 horse for Pye 35. Yep. That's what I'm saying. That's so much performance. The dollar.

And it's a trash car, and it's trash. That's great. But cheap speed. It's cheap speed and getting cheaper. And that's what Chrysler's always been great at with their performance cars. And it's amazing. It's wonderful. And the chargers seem to be the cheap ones, which is great because it's more practical.

Yeah. You can die with more of your friends. I'm not wrong. Kennan, you have another market report information. Yeah. Porsche 996 turbo. So we have long considered the 996 turbo to be quite a buy. This one blew my mind yesterday.

So this was an auto, admittedly. Tip, but 35. Feels right. There was a time when they were really on the ascendancy, and it seems like they have kind of started to settle and come back down. This one for 75 is a big number. But 5,300 miles and a manual transmission, and just very nice in general.

And it's $75,000. I think they have settled into a spot that they're going to stay for a while, it seems. Yes, it's expensive, but like. They're still pricey, though, compared to where they were. Well, of course. It's hard to erase that from your mind that they were all pretty cheap. What was the floor?

It can't have been that much below 35. I bought and sold one in 2012 for like 30. Got it, put a clutch in it, sold it for like 32. Right. But I mean... There was a time. I mean, that was when regular ones were 14. Right.

So I look at this and I'm like, yeah, it's still a little bit expensive. But keeping in perspective where we've just come from with a 996 turbo a year or two ago. And where 993 turbos are. 9-9-7 turbos are. These are actually still a bargain. Because you can get, it looks like you can get a mid-mileage one, 50-60. Yep, exactly. I mean, this one was an X-50 car, but it had

80,000 miles on it, and 495. I mean, that's... That's the car to buy. I agree. That's the one. And keep in mind, the 996 Terbski, specifically, Terbski, didn't have the IMS issue. It had the Metzger engine block, like the GT3, 996,

and so it didn't have the IMS. Had a lot of other problems. No, it actually didn't. I had one, and it was fantastic. It was an amazing car to drive. I still think it's an amazing car to look at. Hard to believe they're 50. Right. The biggest problem it has for a lot of people is the headlights,

but it just doesn't bother me. The turbo looks great. The turbo looks really good, especially from the back. Pull it that real picture. It's just so wide. One left. You get the wide body. Look at that.

And the turbo twists. And the cut us on the bumper. It was a beautiful car. I want one deeply. All of a sudden. Well, good news for you, Felipe. We can find one that's a deal in his neighborhood. He'll have one up.

Exactly. No problem for him. Okay, we have a few things to discuss in the world of cars beyond market and news. Starting with the cyber truck. Yep. Cyber truck. I finally drove one. We all actually drove it.

It was here in the office. Yep. Didn't crest a half a mile an hour, but you're right. We all drove it. I have put my video of the cyber truck up one up yesterday. And wow. It's been very. well received because I was positive about it.

And the Tesla community loves you as long as you're positive about the Tesla's. They don't care about the obvious. So I gave it a five for styling and I've been getting assailed right now because people are like, it's beautiful, it deserves a 10. And it's, is it people who, yeah. Which, it's striking.

It's striking. It's certainly, right. But it certainly isn't beautiful. People are like, well, it turns heads. Well, that's not the same. Right. I could light Canada on fire. That would turn heads.

Yeah, a train wreck turns heads, but that's not what we're looking for. So it's a little bit odd. that people are complaining about that. But generally speaking, I thought it was so cool. Yeah. I was very to hate it and I didn't. The bill quality is astonishingly bad,

but it is a cool looking object. And just the seat of motion is like... You try a car into a fridge. That's what's going to happen. Look at your fridge more carefully. My fridge is very well made. I just... The thing about it, the thing that hit me,

and I mentioned this in the video, but to really underscore it, the thing that hit me is the people who are most... The truck itself did you die. Is that... Pickup truck people are mad about it because they think it's a stupid truck. It doesn't tow. It doesn't haul. It doesn't off-road. Objectively.

I got all these friends with Raptors. I've never seen them do any of those things. Ever. They bought it, the Raptor, because it's cool. And I think they're upset because there is a new game of cool. Right. And it's the cyber truck. Yeah.

Ken, you loved it. I thought it's fascinating for me because it's not you. I think it design-wise, it reminds me a lot of the Kuntage in terms of its reception. And also, like, just how. crazy it looking at it. No, it's very angular. The windshield is one plane just like the Kuntash. We were talking yesterday also. The other thing that it's similar

that the Kuntash about is that it has broken free of the automotive zeitgeist and it's in just general culture, which is also true the Kuntash. The last car we were thinking of that did that was the Veyron. Like, you didn't have to be into cars to know about the Veyron. If you ask a normal person, like if you got all

the way in the world, what car would you buy it? They go, oh, Bugatti Veyron. Yeah. They knew. But now, will this age as well as the Kuntas? Probably not. If you look up to any rando on the street, they would know the Veyron and the Cybertruck. And you drove it. What was the attention like as you drove it?

You can't drive the thing around. You cannot drive the thing around. People absolutely freak out. Equal level as the Kuntosh since you own. No, more, absolutely more than the Kutosh. I do suspect, though, that the cyber trucks were already seeing a lot of them here in Southern California. They're getting delivered.

Pretty much every day you see one. And so I think give it a year or two. I don't necessarily think it's going to be like the C8 Corvette, where now it's just like a normal thing. I think we will always look at it and be like, what is that? Yeah. But it's going to diminish.

People aren't going to be coming up to every one they see because it would be too many. It's certainly like in, for our local cars and coffee, it's not like cool to show up on one anymore. Like that's been. No, yeah. The Hummery, I remember that was a very short-lived thing too.

Yeah. For all those, R1T, but we stole our first R1T for $13,000, you know, at the end of the day. And since the Tesla, it'll look identical for the next 15 years. And then maybe they'll be restout it. You know, I will say, in terms of the looks, I do think the design is pretty crazy and cool and amazing.

It's going to be, I wonder how it's going to age. Are we going to look back at this as that was like the pinnacle of the crypto-ridiculous exuberance? And in 20 years, is it just going to be a total embarrassment to be seen in? Maybe. Probably. Like age two, right? Which at the time was kind of the pinnacle of that era's exuberance pre-recession. It'll be like, it'll be whatever the rad would have now will be called.

Like, they'll show up, oh, dude, a cyber truck. I've seen one of those years. And the thing, of course, because it dents so easily, all of them will be slightly different shapes. But I am like, it is a good point, though. I don't really know. For now, though, it is, maybe it goes through cool, and then it goes to uncool,

and then it goes through ironic cool, and it comes back up again. Who the hell knows? But I wonder if they will do. Hummer H2 comparison is a great one. It's a good one. Like, everyone wanted one of those. And now you see one on its light.

Yikes. Although they sell relatively well on the sighted. Yeah, they do. They do. Okay, so that's that. Kenan, give us your automotive take of the week. Yes, so the E339M5, my beloved M5, is going to go to its trip to the spa with my friend Ryan at E339

source, and we've been building the battle strategy for what needs to be done. What does need to be? So I have owned the car for 80,000 miles now. I'm coming up on the second round of doing things again. Like, it's just like stuff has worn out in 80,000 miles needs to be replaced. And one thing I've noticed is that I think it's having some differential issues. So when I go, no, no, no, no sound. But when it goes around a corner, it's like locking more than it's supposed to.

Like, I can hear both wheels like lose traction. And it's like, okay, that's probably not great. I've replaced the differential once already. With a used one, I didn't rebuild it. Rebuilding is not as expensive as I thought it was. But I think it might have to do that. It needs rear axles. They're original.

And like the boots are all dried out. And it's just like time to do those and wheel bearings. Yep. And then the drive shaft needs a little bit of work too. There's a bearing in that that needs to be replaced. And so, like, it starts to add up. Then I want to replace the AC compressor because it's making some noise and like I should.

And like, so the scope creep has been extreme. Okay. What are we, what is our latest estimate of the cost of these repair? So assuming the differential does not need to be rebuilt, which we're going to test, right now it comes to 8,800 something so far. That's not so bad. But there will be a lot more while you're in there. It's going to be over 10.

This is going to be $18,000. You want to know what one of the most expensive parts of this is, though? I'm replacing underbody plastics that. of like crumbled and fallen away. Those are stupid expensive. May I make a suggestion? Don't? Yeah.

Nope. I'm not going to do that. The car has to be perfect. And so the fender liners are like being replaced. Each of those is like $400. What would it take for you to replace unseeable underbody plastics in one of your cars? What would your net worth have to be? I don't.

What's the lottery currently? If it were under $100 total, all then. There's not one piece of trim on it. That's $100. Not anymore. They're all really. You're going to have a very expensive E-39 M-5 service. When is this going to happen?

I'm trying to figure that out. And I'm also trying to figure out because it's my only car, what I want to drive in the meantime. So I've been looking on Turo and, like, getting some ideas. Tyler Hoover rented a Ferrari, California. I might do that for a weekend. It's like $200 a day. Oh, you mean when the M-5's gone? Yeah.

So it's like, but I also kind of want to add to the cost of the service by renting a Ferrari for 200 a day, though, because I want to try some, I'd love to do like a BMW I 3 for a little bit. It would be kind of fun. Yeah. Because, like, I would love a, I need the problem is like, we live. Like we live relatively all close to one of those. I want to take my car to play tennis with you guys in the morning. And the M5 really hates that.

It's like sub 10 miles of the gallon driving here and there. I'll give you a deal on renting my bar. Oh, wow. As long as you clean it for a little bit first. Oh, well, I would do that regardless. I couldn't exist with that car. Slepo does not believe in cleaning cars and they're always easy. My cars get used.

Yesterday I went to Fiesta Island with my dog and Sean, our producer's dog, which is great. But then Cassie, my dog was very wet. But I was in that car. So the car smells like wet dog. No, it actually doesn't. I have a convertible debt. Well, the amount of money I'm going to pay, it's coming down.

The seat is, the back seat is a little sandy. Yeah, what exactly is a deal on the 500 of bars that smells like wet dog? It does smell like wet dog. Is that 19 a day? With sand in it. It's nine a day. Dog hair in the window seals that I have to get out with. Yeah, no, that's similar that.

The I3 would be fun because it would give you an opportunity to drive a BMW with a carbon tub. Oh. Right. That's true. I'm looking for that. You know, I'm really exploring the limits of grip on the way to tennis in the morning. It is the cheapest carbon tub car, as you know. The Alpha 4.

C, those are like 40-50, Currudeetis, million bucks. The I-3 is $1,100 for a carbon. No, they're more than you think. They are more than you. They're about 15 grand, I think. What? They were like eight.

They've gone up substantially. All the older EVs, FF500E, the bolt even. What is the leaf cost? The leaf had some battery issues, so they're all, they're all 64 miles from new. Seven grand.

Yeah. So I'm looking around San Diego, seeing like what's out there for rent. When is this service happening? I think I'm going to, going to end up doing this in May, I think, is when I'm going to do this. So summer, you know, getting there. You're going to be 15 grand more into the M5.

After all the crap you gave me, we both spent 13 on our cars last year. And by the way, Kenan-175, for those that don't know, has 230,000. $235,000, I think? Yeah, you heard that correctly. But this is what it takes to keep... People want to know what it takes to keep an Ether 9-M-5, like really nice. So you've been in my car. You know how well it drives.

It is incredibly well-capped. People want to know what it takes to keep an Ether 9-5 nice. The answer is spend it $2,400. on plastic underbody panels that you can't see. Can I ask you a question, Kevin? But it looks great when it's on a lift. I know that you have a binder of all your service records. Two.

Total to all of them. No. I don't. I also have a spreadsheet. I have never used the sum function to figure out. Don't. Don't. Throw out a number.

Probably close to 50 into it now. Plus purchase price. I bought, don't forget, I bought the car for 10. 8. So I'm probably getting close to 50. So you got a great cost basis.

And unfortunately now he's, unfortunately now he's $70,000 into the car. Kennend is the best cap. ether and 9 and 5, probably in the world. Except 230,000 miles. But the paint is tough. He needs to repaint it.

That's a crazy thing. That's the thing. I haven't done cosmetic stuff to the cars in 2017. And I really want to, but I want to make sure it's mechanic. Mechanic component first, then cosmetics. And so I've never. I agree with that. I think in the fall, I don't think it's more money into the paint.

But yeah, it does need some paint stuff, but that's a nightmare to do. Buy an Aston Martin or a Ferrari 550. Tell us about your experience with the 550. with the five. Nice transition. Nice. That was a very smooth transition. Yeah,

so I recently drove a Ferrari 550, which is currently on the site. I also had the pleasure of driving a Ferrari 575 Marno, which is coming to the site. Good job on Monday. And so these cars for me,

they're seminal vehicles. Like I have lost it out of them for a long time. My uncle has a manual 575, a factory manual car, and I just adore the cars. Yeah. And so I wanted to get, but I wanted some seat time.

It's been a long time since I've driven a 550. I did when I worked in exotic car dealership, but it's been a while. So I drove them both. My impressions are like engine incredible. So smooth and so refined and like no vibrations enter the cabin. It just like, it just is like a turbine. It just goes.

And you look down and you're like, you're doing, you're going really fast, but it doesn't really interfere. And the 575 was even quieter because the header design is different. The steering, amazing. The 355, they really struggled to get it right with power steering. The 550, 575 nailed it. Like really did a good job with it. Much nicer.

The transmission won the 550, obviously a manual, exceptional. The F1, the 575. 75, way better than I would have thought. Mechanical. Feels good. It was honestly... And by then they... It had gone good. Yeah, F1. They had been using F1 for almost 10 years.

It came out in 97. Not quite. 1998 was the 355 and this was... The 575 came out in 02. But it was a revised system and it was unique to the 612 and 575. It didn't use the same system. It's in the 360. So it was very robust and more serviceable, actually.

But I found it was great. You pull the paddle like to downshift. It blips for you. You don't really have to do it. If you ride the throttle just a little bit, moves it out even more. But you still have to work with it a little bit. But admittedly, at one point I was, like, getting, I was at a stop and getting ready

to go. And I reached for the clutch pedal with my left. It does have a cool mechanical feel to it. I've really kind of come around on these sequential manual transmission, surprisingly, because I hated them at the time. Totally. And I've driven them. And I've, I feeling like it's a lot more fun because it feels a lot more mechanical.

It's more fun than I realized. You feel like put in some work and some thought. Yeah. It's not just like P. You pull it out and you hear it make noise. Then there's a suspension. Very, very. Soft.

The 575 in particular surprised me. Now, it's known because they revised the suspension system for that car. Allegedly they had talked to their customers. They wanted to be even more cushy GT-focused. All their customers are 80. I think they went a little far. When you, in the video, eventually, when you see it, like I do like a quick shuffle with the steering wheel to demonstrate this,

and the car just, like, didn't know what to do. It was like a balloon animal, like all over the place. Now, of course, it's a GT car. I don't agree with this entirely. I love that car dearly. And I have, I'm starting to nurse the theory that it's going to be treated like the Daytona one day. Well, looked at as an icon like the Daytona. Yes.

Now, to be clear, this is specific, like the 575 felt that way. I think if, and I talked to someone, our friend Nick, who had owned one of the coast and daily drove it, he upgraded the shocks in that car. So I think if you give it modern suspension, that will do it. And also, you've got to remember its purpose. It was never intended to be a sports car. And that was back in an era when Ferrari, like now you kind of take for granted that every Ferrari is really fast and good hands. handling and all that. Back then, they really were like a 456 was supposed to be a luxury car. A 550 was supposed to be like a long highway cruiser. Of course, its competition was the Diablo, which is not that.

Yeah, which most people don't realize, but that wasn't the fact of the case. Yeah, Lamborghini went that way with B12. 12th or not seven. The sporty market. But I will say it's an incredibly special car. Both of them are incredibly special. I think that the value is what blows my mind. 550s are becoming very expensive. You remember when there was $70,000-dollar cars. Well, now really, really, really nice, low-mile-age ones are almost $300,000. Yeah.

And $575s aren't. There are substantially less. The manual ones are half a million-dollar cars now, realistic, $450,000. I got into this myself, too. I started looking up Super Americas and all that. I think the car is still undervalued, 550 or $575.

Stick 575s are unusually expensive. $400,000. I don't know that. They only built 243 of them. They only built 199 612s, and those aren't selling for much. Well, the four-seat of the four-seater Ferrari curse. I know. But the car is so beautiful that I've really started to kind of, in my mind, start thinking that it's, I really think it might be a Daytona Sunday.

And I have this thing that the 550 Marinello is rarer than the 300 SL. And people need to keep that in mind. Yes, 550, Marnello. Not counting the barcattle. It's tight. But even when you count, even when you count the two of them, the production, as I mentioned in my 550, the production, numbers are not dissimilar. And I also did say, and I agree that it will be viewed as like the Daytona is now, especially just due to attrition. You've got to imagine those numbers. It's rare. It's beautiful. I think the tip ones will not be as well-valued. No, but conversions are a thing.

Conversions are a thing. I think that the way to get into a 550, at least my view on the market right now, if you want to get into a 550 one, the way to do it, is to buy a euro one. Those sell for substantially less. Even if you lived in California and wanted to carve it and all that stuff, you could and you'd still be way less if that's a value to you. Or you get a five-step. 75, do the suspension thing, make it a little bit more modern, and swap it. Yeah. But even so, like, just doing the suspension and enjoying it with F1, it's a wonderful car. You know, it's something I'm certainly thinking about. It's between that and the 612 for me, because I love the 612. But I think for now I want more of a sports car, and I think that would be a better,

it's just too similar to what the M5 does, you know, comfortable GT cruiser. So I think that right now I'm still focused on Astor Martin, then Boxer Spider, and then. Wow. He's got it all planned out. got a plan. As do I. My other car news is that I have sold my Toyota Land Cruiser, thank God. Goodbye, Land Cruiser. I'm not going to miss it. I'm not going to miss any of these cars. I cannot tell you, I'm also selling tomorrow. I'm selling my wife's car, which I'm going to reveal for the very first time here on the pod. Wow. It's a Volvo XC60. My wife's been driving

around a Volvo XC60 for the last six years. At least you got her to T6. She's got a T6. I never went over 40 miles an hour, I think maybe the time you were. I drove it one time on the highway and boy, it was something. That's gone. The land cruiser's gone. I feel so free. And I posted this thing that I was selling the land cruiser. And every time a YouTuber sells a car, apparently there's this enormous backlash from the audience. I can't believe you're selling this car. This car is who you are as a person. You're ruining your life. This isn't, well, you're ruining everything I loved about you.

I didn't know that because I don't have it sold a lot of cars since I've started my YouTube channel. and but apparently that happens and I watch other YouTubers try to like say like I know my audience is gonna hate me for this but I have to sell it and I'm like I wonder why they say that well now I know

and um well I for one agree the XC 60 is crucial Can I ask you a legitimate question? Yeah How many times have you driven

the XC60? A few. You voted six years five years or a few a few I like that car more than one. It's a nice little car great sizing

the point is I feel incredible and I think my point was going to be that young people tour 22. They're like, oh, you gotta get cars, man, get more cars, this is cool.

And I thought that when I was 22 also. But now, as I'm older and have responsibilities and all, you start to realize that like getting more stuff also means maintaining more stuff and owning this land cruiser and my defender and my A class. And it's just like, eventually you're just like,

this is too much stuff. Well, and it's different when the work goes into owning an exciting car. Right. The Kuntash, like, you put in the work, it's like, I'm excited to use it. I am willing to, really experience. Right. But when it's more normal vehicles, it's just kind of a headache. And it became truly a headache.

I don't think there's any 22-year-olds like, yeah, buy more cars. Get an X-C-60. You gotta have one of those. People are like mad at me for selling this Land Cruiser. I'm like, this is a car. This is traffic. Like, it's a nice car. I like the Land Cruiser, but like, this isn't like, I'm not like ruining my life. You should see the comments on my Instagram. Doug, you're selling everything that you're selling out. You're selling everything that made you cool. I had this part two years, man. It's a 200 series Land Cruiser with 150.

thousand miles. Right. It's like there's thousands of these out there. But it just feels so nice to be free. What are you down to? I'm down to six automobiles. Out of front from 10 after that. 9 or 10. Yeah. I sold four and bought one, which I'm revealing next week, but it's a Toyota Sequoia, Tardee Pro. I've already revealed that on Instagram, I think. But I'll reveal it soon in a video. Wow. And it's nice to trade. So basically I sold a 1998 car, the A class, a 97 car of the Defender, a 2018 car, a 2018 car, car. A. my wife's Volvo and a 2013 car of the Land Cruiser and got a 24 car. Nice. A new thing that I don't have to think about. Thank God. That's what I wanted for my life.

I'm happy for you. Thank you. I'm happy for it now. That said the Sequoia is tasteless and not nice. But as an upside, it does have camo seats. Cammo seats, man. This is the way it works. A better camouflage the child.

Well, luckily we have Kevin. He can beat them black. You know what his problem is. He doesn't. appreciate camouflage. Right, especially on a white or black wheel. With black fender arches.

Kenan, I will teach you about the military later. For now, that Toyota Sequoia has single-handedly been on the front lines of battle, but we'll talk about that later. Philippo's like, what battle? It was in San Antonio. They built it.

It was a hard build. Let's get me know. All right, I want to move on to the question or answer segment. Now, if you want to send us questions that we will answer on the podcast, you go to Carsandabids.com. There's a community tab, and each week we will post a post that says, hey, put your questions here, and we will answer the most upvoted ones. Oh. But we'll skip some of them if they're controversial.

No, I'm kidding. Well, generally, this week I picked all of the most upvoted ones. Starting with a manual frontier guy who asks, when will you do another car spotting video? We got good news for you. Oh. we have started to film a lot more videos for the Cars and Bids YouTube channel with Felipeo, Kenan,

and some other friends of mine, and we just did a car spouting video, we're going to do another one. We're going to do a furthest away license plate channel. Oh, nice. But there's a lot of great content coming, so get ready, because we did do another car spotting video, and there's more to come. And I just did one with Hoovie, which is even better.

Okay. Next question from Risen Legacy. Since this is now the final year, reportedly of the new, of the Nissan GTR, I still think it's the new GTR, of the Nissan GTR, how do you think the R-35 will be perceived in the next 10 years, old, timeless, good value, ugly, underpriced. What a great question. I've been thinking about this question

all week, and I don't have a great answer for it. I think it's going to be good value. I think it will be really nice ones also be iconic to a specific generation that grew up with those first GTR we could get here. It will not be viewed, I don't think, as iconically as the R34. I agree with that. Because that's the one. That's the one. But this one, you can

actually buy and use, and like, if you want to do mods, crazy power, like huge community behind it. So I think it'll be a beloved car. And, of course, the next one, if they do one, will be electric and not as exciting as this one was. I could see values also going way high for the very late production, limited edition models. They made some late production super low volume. Or that light, silvery purple, whatever it's called. I could also see, I could also see historically really early, crazy unmotted low mileage ones being worth.

Because when that car came out, it changed everything. It was cheap. an iconic car. Yeah, it was cheap initially. But nothing changed, and it got more and more and more. Well, because they kept the new one when it first came out, it was like 50 grand. It wasn't, but it was like 70. And it had launch control on. And then every year it was like 76,

78, 84. And now it's like 160. And so, yeah, the used ones have always maintained their original sticker because instead of depreciating they just raised the price on the new ones. I agree that they'll remain iconic for people of our general generation. But there are so many of them. And the entire

thing that had incredible technology. But so does like a model three now. I disagree with both of those points. Wow. I don't think there are that many of them. I think a lot of them have been destroyed or modified. Yeah, but Felipeo, have you been, you see them driving around? No, never.

You wouldn't want to touch one of those cars. Agreed. The only ones that are nice. You're right. Unmodified ones are rare. Unmodified nice ones. Because also people modded them, and sometimes mods, especially in that community, can actually add value. The way that people modded a lot of those, oh.

Cheap speed at the time. Yeah. There's some tough, tough looking R-35s out there. There are some tough. Don't you agree? The entire point was it had incredible technology, which was novel at the time. Yeah, but it's less novel now. My counterpoint to that is that's true of almost every other car that has become valuable and desirable over time, is that it had incredible technology at the time.

When the GTR came out, I will never forget, car and driver or someone, I apparently forgot, did a road test against the 599, which was new. And the 599 cost four times the price. And the GTR was faster in every measurable category. It totally changed what we thought of performance. And it kind of moved the bar forward. It was suddenly like we have to be faster than this. For that reason, it's iconic. But will it retain value that much?

I don't know. The thing that makes a car retained value is, was it an icon of youth? And that car, by doing that? Yeah. And so I think it had production stopped in 2017 when it was just six years old, whatever. I don't remember where year it came out. Came out in 2009.

Yeah. All right. Had a southern 20-fifty, you know, six years old, maybe. But then they kept going. But they kept going. And they kept going.

They've only been selling two a month for the last 10 years. No one is buying that car anymore. I truly wonder. They crossed a price threshold and then people stop buying it. I just kind of think that people don't think about it anymore because it was available for so long. You know what the allegorias?

It's the NSX. The late NSXs, which sure, great ones are. That's a really great thing. Late NSXs were bolted to the showroom floor at Accura dealerships. same deal with new GTRs give it 20 years

we'll be selling on cars and bids we'll be selling GTRs for 250 Mark my words Late black editions 350 Sure 50 but that's not that What's the nice of sound It's not too late

Right but that's not that much No it's not that's right It's not that much Considering that it's been 20 years and all Yeah But I still think they will retain value And they will be kind of a generation Defining car

All right Next question from Alex Hay Will luxury small cars ever become a viable segment, CigNet, et cetera. No. No. And the answer is, and why is that?

Who's buying them? People who live in big cities. So why can't you do it? They just don't want a car. I think, generally I remember on the market for this. People in New York City want a small car they can park, but they want a luxury car.

There's a lot of people like this. Have a driver. I mean, at that point. There's a big difference between, like, I want a $70,000 Mercedes and I can get a driver. But what is your reason? I think that you can't make sense. Small cars luxurious.

I think the way that small cars are being physically tiny, a lot of the benefit of luxury cars, they have an enormous amount of space and size to put in sound deadening. Physically speaking with a small wheelbase, you just can't. You can't make it comfortable. And you don't have room for suspension travel either. That's right.

Yeah. So, yeah, you're really up against it. But EVs mean that you can go with more sound deadening and more weight that you couldn't do before. What about the smallest you could go would be? To make like an actually. to make something that rivals an S class? Oh.

I don't know it's possible. I almost be impossible. That is certainly impossible. Like the Cignet, he brings up the Cigna as an example, but that car is desirable because it's a mean. I will say, you know, Porsche recently came out that new suspension technology where you can drive it over a bumpy road. And the shocks adjust so perfectly, the car just goes like this. I've been hearing about that for years. Wild.

Show me that. If that ended up in a small car, you might. But again, it's suspension. You still have issues with sound ending. Although, sound editing goes away a little bit if it's easy. It's electric. For two reasons. there's no engine and the problem was always

you would add too much weight and then the small engine that would fit in the engine bay wouldn't power enough EV is fixed both of those problems. But the problem with the small EVs, I guess it wouldn't matter as much in the city but then you have no range because it's so small you're going to do with the batteries. There's something to this though. I think the small luxury car would be cool.

I've always felt it would but it's not. The G-Wagon is the small luxury car. Other manufacturers have found ways to appeal to high net worth individuals in cities with just cuteness. The F500 is a great example. Everybody bought one. Bring back the figaro.

People kind of understand that it won't be luxurious, but it's cute and that's okay. That's a good point. So why make that car luxurious? What's the point? That's a great point. Because the mini Cooper... Who's buying it?

A mini cooper initially sold to like enthusiasts and also old wealthy women who wanted something cute. Right. And they could have bought an S class all day long, but they like, I wanted something just to go to the store. Oh, look, it's got British flags on the mirrors. Yeah. I'm glad I got to a better point than my original one.

That's a good point. They should just do that instead. Yeah. Okay. Next from Junovich. to hear your guys' opinions on the cyber truck auction. Last week, we auctioned a cyber truck, and it didn't sell. Yeah.

But... I have a lot of opinions. Okay. In the last day of that auction, so Tesla cybertruck inventory has been rising. They've been delivering them, unlike Hummer, or GMC, which never delivered any Hummer reviews. That meant that prices drop. In the last day of that auction, we heard about a number of people on Instagram

selling the trucks for, like, 160, like offering them for 160, including notable dealers in the Sofail area. At that point, first of all, if you were an early reservation holder, which everybody that wants one is, you've probably got an email saying, hey, you'll get a delivery late Q1 or early Q2. So now, why pay that much over?

And you see the price code. I agree. I am stunned how quickly they have ramped production. It feels more like lightning than Hummerie v. I don't know why it took GM so long to ramp Hummery v. To the point where they still are building them by hand. general like it's yeah there's still something addition ones right two years later two years later

classic jeez hyperdirector ramping up we're seeing them all over the place they claim they've seen them all over the place they claim they've built 2,700 of them already um but i'm sure now this week it's 3,700 they're building these things why why go to the secondary market when you can wait two weeks and plus this was not a beast that's also important to keep in mind um i think honestly i think it got to a market correct number i totally agree we got another one on the site live right now um our competitors have one as well we have another one coming wait i'm sure there will continue and continue.

I don't think this is going to be like an unusual thing to start seeing being resold anymore. And it was so controversial when we listed it. Oh my gosh, they're violating the agreement. I think now the floodgates are open. Nobody cares who's going to sell them. And I think we know what the price is. I don't think our result was left to be brought.

What was MSRP on the original one? The first one we told? Like 100, probably. Like 100, 110? Maybe there's some profit for another couple months. And then after that, I wouldn't be shocked if they settle at like MSRP. Yeah, MSRP. I think that's exactly right.

101. MSRP is 101. So 101 and it got it to 150. Frankly, I would have taken that all day long. Yep. Tend to agree. But then you got to do it. Yeah, if there are lawsuit things, you got to deal with that.

You know, that's the other thing. Okay. So this has become a controversial title. Tesla will ban you. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. If you walked into a Tesla dealer right now, a Tesla store, and you had cash to lease a Model 3,

you ain't banned. Nope. You're un-band. Yep. If you walked in and wanted at least an S or an X, not only are you unbanded, but. But also, isn't it like, They're probably doing it by account.

They'll probably do it by account why I just make another account. I don't think there's ban on anybody. I think that's talk. Like Land Rover, okay, so back in the day when the, like the Rangerover came out in 13, tons of those ship to other countries. And Land Rover created a broker list. And if you were on the broker list, you couldn't buy a new Land Rover anymore.

And so what the people were doing who were shipping them, which was totally legal, but Land Rover didn't want to happen. What the people were doing was they would hire like a school teacher. They would give them all the money. pay the school teacher 10 grand, and the school teacher would buy the Land Rover. Well, now if those people wanted to get a new Land Rover, you know what Land Rover would say? Please. Yeah, come on over.

You go to Discovery Sport? Not only are you not on the broker list anymore, but we are thrilled to give you a great deal as long as you actually take this thing off the lot of this month. Can you pick it up by the end of the quarter? Yeah. New Vehicle Limentary is not what it was two years ago. No, no. It was a lot of talk that they would ban people and they would sue people. I don't think it's realistic.

And I just don't think, like, based on them people who will be a third. flipping them and selling it's just no way they're going to have the even if they hire a great legal firm they're just not going to have the capacity to see that many people right i mean this is already the second one we have listed we got another one come and they got one they're they're on ebay a few of them have sold it like meager and stuff they're not seeing these people it's stupid it's a stupid concept yeah it could brick it or whatever and i do think that kind of scares people i think some people would rather wait for their reservation yeah i don't think they're even going to do that to be honest

plus it shows that there's demand that's what i didn't understand the first place why does tesla care it shows that people want these things 60 grand over sticker And it's not like they're building more. They're not adding supply. They're just moving a car around. Right. Right. Yeah, that's a good point.

Okay, next question from ARAV 2020. Of all the cars you have owned, what is your favorite? What are the cars you replace the ones you recently sold with? What is your wife's crossover? Answer the white's crossover question already. Of all the cars I have owned my favorite, 1983, Lamborghini, Kuntash. What about cars? I'm saying it here.

Wow. What about cars that you've owned and sold? I have never sold a car that I really regretted selling. I have over time regretted some more than others. I wish I didn't. I wish I hadn't sold my Vipers. Is it financial more than like it's like, oh, it's worth more now and I should have kept it? Or is it emotional?

Not really, because I could buy all those cars again and I don't. So I must not miss it that much. That much. Right. Like the Vipers have gone up, but it's not like they're on optanium. Plus, you don't seem like the kind of person who wants to double dip back into an experience you already had. You want something new. Usually by the time I'm selling something, I am ready to move it along. Now, of course, I think you need to qualify.

So you prefer the kuntash over the career GT. Please explain why. It's better. In what we go? It's just so much fun. Yeah. It's just so much fun. The career gtie is better to drive the kuntosh is more of an experience, you would say, probably.

Yeah. And the career gtie, I feel like you have to be in a certain mindset to really enjoy it. The kuntash puts you in that mindset. And that difference is substantial. I can get in the kuntash not happy, like whatever. And by the end of it, I'm, like, grinning ear to ear totally over the moon. It is probably my favorite car that of everyone. Now, admittedly, I'm still in the sort of the honeymoon phase.

I only had it for six months. But the career GT, I only got back from Jimmy about the same. And by the way, the career GT is the number two answer to this question. It's still incredible. Sorry, but it's cost three times. It costs twice as much. And I think the Kuntosh delivers the better. It's so cool.

It is cool. He even liked it. That's really shit. I like both. You do not. I don't care that much about either, but I like the both. I believe I doesn't care about exotic or supercars at all. Next question from punk rock Ford.

Why doesn't the Lexus ISF get any love from the car community? I don't think that it doesn't. I mean, whenever I see one. Comparatively? Comparatively, I mean, it's a little bit more esoteric of a car. It's like the M3 badge, M5 badge are established. The Audi S4, RS4, like those were established cars. The ISF came out at a weird time because that car came out, what, 07 or 08?

right around the recession. Yeah. They didn't sell that many of them, but I don't know. I freak out whenever I assume it's a reliable V8, cool-looking small sedan. And there is a community behind them.

So I certainly have respect to. And I would also argue, if you look at prices, ISS could actually maintain their value way better than any of these other cars. I agree that it doesn't quite get as much love as it should because it's really a cool car and it's a reliable.

But like, what is it 12 automatic E90M 3 sell for? Not 35. No way. Right. The other thing is that it has, auto only. It is auto only, which hurts it. That definitely hurts it. But the reliability agrees were auto only and all

the C60 degrees is probably decrease. Yeah, you're right. CXC3 is a good count. It is a little bit less than I, than it should be considering what it is. But I have always really respected the ISF. I still think it's an incredibly cool car. For a time I have, I actually consider getting one alongside the E39M5. I just, I love those cars. 400 horsepower

rear drive V8 same size. It's like, yep, let's go back and do it. No, no. The M5 is a marginally tiny air V8. Right, yeah, 4. No, I consider it because it's just reliable. And, you know, I wouldn't have to put as much into it as I do the M5. In the same vein, our next question and final question comes from Hamby 86, who asks, as a recent buyer of an LS 460, pull up at the LS 460 from cars and bids, are these the most underrated cars ever? Underrated, I don't know, but deals, yes.

How are they so cheap? That is crazy. They're not expensive. Fundamentally, they are the same. They are the same price or cheaper than LS400s. Is that true? I mean, like, look at that 07. That's got to be the same price as an LS400.

Right. LS400s are not a lot. Yeah, they're like 10. Right. And the LS40 was like 11. 12. I get why the LS 400 is more prized in some way, but it shouldn't be. I will say one thing that's...

They just got better and better and better. Total LS 500 age and then who knows what happened. One thing that's cool about... Well, I disagree with that. That car is the buy. It will be a buy. which surely will be the last generation Lexus LS. That is the buy.

And I, LS is in general, it's one of the coolest things in the world. You get Lexus reliability, but you get full-size sedan depreciation. And so you can buy these things 47,000 miles, 17 grand.

I mean, that car's got 200,000 miles left, and at the end of it, you'll sell it for nine. That 2013 F-sport, that was post-face lift. Yeah. And I was like,

such a good car. The highest mileage one we've sold an L's, for 30, We sold an LS 430, which is also a bargain. All of these Lexus Sonsor 30 is. I never liked how it looked. I would rather get a 460. There it is 628, 628,000 miles of miles.

But that makes the point, which is these cars run forever with basic maintenance. And, yeah, it's, it's an, it's, I don't know if it's underrated, because I actually hear a lot of people talking about this, but nobody seems to want to do it. I mean, like, I think it's the one that sold most recently. 07, Ls 460s, 12 grand. Great photos, 12 grand. Look at this thing. 6B plates, it's been in California, how many miles? That interior...

93,000 miles for 12 grand. That is... That car runs 150,000 more miles with basic maintenance. Without the S-class problems. So that's a question. We always assume that S-class is depreciated based on their presumed unreliability. Clearly, that's not true. Right.

Nobody wants large luxury sedans. Nobody wants big luxury sedans. Or for that matter, big luxury SUVs. Yeah. Although more so, because usually... You know what GL550 you sell for? That's true, but most of them have off-road capability and they keep their value. wagons land cruiser elx for seven but like the on road luxury ones but i think these are incredible

deal cars i always have i recommend them to everybody um i think that the the v8 and the fuel economy probably hurts it a little bit sure but it can't be that much worse than like a centra i guess i think they're incredible this is a great daily you should get one of these yeah and it's a very mean vehicle it is a deeply but i just not giving up the manual thing yes for now if he bought one of these he would never drive his m5 anymore i bet he'd be like, I took the LS today. It's comfortable. Yeah.

I don't have to worry about the engine board. And I don't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I would make fun of him once, and that's it. I'd make fun of them. I'd make fun of them. No, because I would want him to embrace that left out. But I would also, I would also be, in my new phase of wanting to rid myself of stuff, I would also be jealous of his ability to buy something for 12 grand.

Sorry, scroll down, what sold for 8, 450? That one had miles. This was the high mileage one that I noted. But 84, God. All right. I know. Actually, I'd pay the extra $3,000 for $100,000 a few miles. I think you would mock me mercilessly, and that enough is to keep me away from it.

No, that's okay. We've got to commit. We will not mock him. I'll promise you no mocking if you get an L.S. 460. If you get anything else mocking. And not only that, I will specifically unmock you if you get an LS600 HL, which I'm sure we've sold one or two of. That'd be a dream. That was Lexus's version of the V12.

It didn't have a V12, but it was their competitor. It would be a dream. It doesn't appear we've sold any. That just didn't look correctly. Do you just LS 600 without a space? I swear we sold one. One. We got to get more of these.

They didn't make any of them. That was the problem. It does have a TV in the back. That's something. Dang. You that has a child. What movie is they watching? I have no idea.

I could not tell you. Tinkerbell maybe? It may also not be a kid movie. There you go. That, ladies and gentlemen, is our podcast. We have completed all of our things. Is there any other final thoughts? Nope.

Kenan gets a Lexus LS. That'd be a dream. Goodbye, everybody.