THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - THIS CAR POD! New Rivians! Fisker in BIG Trouble, RIP Gandini, $10k BRZ Deals, and MORE I EP01

Episode Date: March 22, 2024

On THIS Episode... we discuss the new Rivian lineup unveiling (R2, R3, and R3T), Fisker Automotive production pause and struggles. The death of legendary automotive designer, Marcello Gandini, Lotus Emira deliveries finally happening in the United States, and the wild Range Rover Sport Park City Edition. Additionally, we are discussing how the Subaru BRZ and FRS are now $10k bargains, and more during our market report, and Q&A.     Have a question you want answered on the podcast next week? Ask HERE https://crsnbds.com/PODQUESTIONS     Doug DeMuro & Friends offers weekly expert insight and opinion, on the breaking automotive stories, the car market, and audience Q&A. Welcome to THIS CAR POD!   WEBSITE & MERCH! http://www.dougdemuro.com   FOLLOW CARS & BIDS! YouTube -  @carsandbids Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/carsandbids/ TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@cars_and_bids Twitter - https://twitter.com/carsandbids   FOLLOW ME! Twitter - http://www.twitter.com/dougdemuro Instagram - http://www.instagram.com/dougdemuro Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/ddemuro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello and welcome to this car pod, a car podcast with me and Felipe and Kenan, who you know and love. Every week we're going to start coming to you with this car pod. We're going to talk about automotive news, car market trends, what's going on in the sales buying and selling market. We're going to talk about stuff that is on our minds. And we're going to take questions from viewers. So a lot to cover, and we're going to cover it every week. And it's going to be great. Sure is.

And with that in mind, let's start with the news. What do you get? Let's start with Rivian. They, a week or two ago, released two new models. Yes. Two and a half new models. Yes. She's very exciting.

Right now, their lineup is the R1T and the R1S. But, soon, R2T, excuse me, R2S, R3. Wait, that's not right. R2, R3 and R3X. So there's the R2. Yeah. I mean, it's this. To be fair, not my fault.

The R2 is, is just an R1S that is like scaled down. Yeah. It's not an R1T. There's not an R2T yet. So there's an SUV and it's scaled down. Yeah, $47,000 base price.

Wow. I'm excited. I think the R1S looks great. It's great. But it's too big. It's huge. This is probably the most important car they're going to make. Yeah.

This one, if this sells, it will cement their existence. I think this will be critical to making sure they stay around. This is the X3 X-X-C-60 type of size of car. Yeah. Right. So like that's the best selling market. Yeah.

That's, that's the market. That car is going to be really, really, really make or break for them. Like you said, 330 mile range, that's the leak. That's pretty good. That's pretty solid, yeah, out of the gates. That's the car. However, the internet has gotten far more excited by R3 and R3x.

So the R3 is even smaller. I assume it's XC40 size, X1, you know, that kind of subcompact SUV, I guess we're calling them now. Yeah. And the R3X is a small. slightly sportier version. Right. The only difference based on the photos is wheels. The wheels are a little bigger, pushed out a little more, or at least wider.

They look really cool. They look really cool. They have a Volkswagen golf like hatchback shape. They look absolutely awesome. I like the trend that SUVs are coming back to being more angular looking. I really like that and I think that pulls it off in like a smooth but yet still angular looking

design. And what about this lie that we were sold by electric carmakers that they all had to have this lowy teardrop shape for range. And Rivian shows up with their 330 miles, which is competitive. Right. They can blow away a 488. It's like, nah, never mind. Yeah. And it still goes 300 whatever miles.

You know, it's the American mentality of like muscle cars. Just more power. More power. More battery. More weight. Don't need arrow. It doesn't matter to most people. But the R3 and the R3X, which are further away, apparently. Yeah, 27.

27. So the R2 is like 26. Yeah, so years away from that car being out. Right. And Rivian, we're not so sure about how. No, it's no fiscar, which we'll talk about in a minute. They'll actually get there. But I want to talk about these cars for another second. How small are they actually?

So the Ionic 5 when it came out, everybody thought, oh, this is like a hot hash size car. But it's actually like a Raff 4. Yeah, they're about it. Right. So it's so hard to tell in photos. Right. And for scale, they gave us mountains. Right.

Could be huge. They're smaller than the mountains. We know that. We don't really know. Yeah, it's an interesting thing. I don't know how big they're going to be, but obviously, based on the pricing, you can assume XC60, XC40. Those are competitive prices. Yeah.

If they're real. Obviously, it's two years away. If they're real. Because remember what happened to Rivian last time? Well, and Cybertruck. Another great example. All of them. But Rivian specifically really messed it all up.

Prices are what, 20 grand for an R1S compared to what they launched at? And remember, they tried to shove the new price down to people's throat to it. So we'll see how it actually turns out. One of the things I've learned with these electric cars, they do these massive 10-year ahead-of-time reveals is that they never know what's good. So between cyber truck announcement and cyber truck sale, there was an enormous amount of inflation. And also, EV tax credit changes. I mean that the cyber truck, I don't think is eligible. And the new Model 3, also not eligible.

But it probably was when they announced it. Right, exactly. And I think they accounted for that. And they're pricing. So we'll see what that might be, as might the R3, but we'll find out two years. Well, we have to assume they will. They're probably going to still be built in Illinois. Right, and they're smaller and cheaper, which is the R1S problem.

On the subject of smaller and cheaper electric SUVs, Kenan, move us along to... The car that's going to be 10 grand in about a year. The Fisker Ocean. Okay, so if you... So the news story is that Fisker has... is flirting with bankruptcy and has paused production. Yep.

The question is, in my mind, what if you got one of these? Well, it's... Then you go to your friend who has, like, a Fisker karma. It's like, well, what do you do? That's true. And you know what? Those have maintained their value okay compared to... Dude, they're still like 25.

I think they should be six. There's one close-in-cars in a bit today. But keep in mind that Fisker Karma has an eco-tech four-cylinder, so any GM dealer can service that. Maybe it was not a standalone vehicle. Now, it is built by a reputable manufacturer in Magnusire that's actually building the cars. Right.

But they have had some issues and reliability issues already. You know what's interesting? We had one here in the office and I kind of liked it. It's great. I think it looks. The one we had had a couple glitches. Now, Marquez had Brownlee and the, he kind of tipped all this thing off and that kind of sent things slowing in addition to Rivian already, or I'm sorry, Fisker already being in kind of a difficult place. But we had one in the office. I drove it. I thought it was pretty nice. It legitimately was super cool. There were a couple glitches, but there are glitches. I mean, there's every new VI test test. When the manufacturer goes out of business, that's me means no more over-the-air updates.

That means no fixes. That means no servicing. That's true. And I will need all of those things. Unless someone pops in and... They were talking about our partnership with Nissan to build these vehicles. That was maybe two weeks ago, the thought was that Nissan would step in. Sounds like they're not.

Not going to. Okay. Who's going to buy them? What technology do they have that's valuable? What name recognition they have that's valuable? I think the answer is none. When the Lehman Brothers eventually sold. Right.

They sold for the value of their building. Right. Does they own a building? What's Fiske's bill? No, because they don't even have a factory because they're building a back of steer. They have contracts. They have a car that is honestly pretty good, and I think with a little bit of work. And the pair and the other one that they...

Which got a ton of interest in price. I also have to say... No money. This compared to the Blazer EV, compared to the Honda Prolog. This is a much more desirable car. Yeah. If it wasn't from a brand that I think is questionable, and that was always my thought with it. It's like, this is cool.

It drives well. It looks cool. It has some features that nobody else has. the brand probably will fail. The other piece which was interesting was... It did already, so why not just do it again? Hey, maybe Bob Lutz will buy it again. Maybe we'll go back to...

Maybe we'll remain with the knowledge that Fisker Pete with the BMW Z8. I mean, not a bad place to pick. Right. But, yeah, I don't disagree. Their original model was to not have any dealers and through direct consumer sales. They tried to pivot a couple months ago to having dealers. So you would see outreaches to dealer groups saying, hey, do you want to buy a Fisker franchise? Yeah, interesting.

Clearly, neither of these approaches worked for them. Or maybe one would have worked, but they didn't have time. When something like this happens, it really puts in a perspective just how incredible the Tesla story really is. That's a great point. We all think that Elon is insane. Yeah. But, oh, my. But they exist as a legitimate company.

You see them everywhere. There's only ones. Not only that, but the Model Y outsold the Honda Corp. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. When you think about these guys know what they're doing, and they made some choices that were best.

objectively than Tesla's choices like not producing a factor in California of all like it's hard to produce things here and still I think that the benefit of an incredible time to raise capital when they were growing but who quite the response in the stock market that that Fisker has just not had right they they've not had the access to cheap capital that Tesla did and still does but the fact that even those two things happened that's even beyond to the story because the amazing thing happened almost before all that, which was they convinced people to invest. And then they convinced

people to get all excited, which has been fueling the stock price. And you're seeing, because this is a better product than the original, the Tesla Roadster, and all that crap. But it's it doesn't matter. They show up with a great product, and it's still incredibly hard. We see them around San Diego. Yeah. There's three or four I saw one. I saw a couple of New York City this week. Like, what are those people going to do? Also,

they're all leased. They're all leased. Yeah, nobody's. Which is going to be a problem in itself because when those leases come up, whatever residual Fisker gave him is going to be... That three years from now is a great time to buy Fisker, oh shit, everybody. All right, pull up, what's our next news story here? Marcelo Gandini. The father of the Lamborghini kuntas has died. Marcelo, you're Italian. Would you like to say a few words?

I have very little to say up. I'm from Kenan. Yeah, this is my room. Although, yeah, Marcelo Gandini, his career and just when you look back at the cars that he created, It's unbelievable. It's hard to imagine now one person being responsible for that. You don't really hear as much about that. Like Ferrari is taking all their cars inside.

We don't know. It's a bunch of nameless people. That's what Ferrari. Can you name the BMW designer right now? I don't know who it is right now. Even if you could, you're exactly right. The concept is different. Gandini took a pen and a paper and did this.

Now there's a studio. There are many people. The guy who's the designer is actually overseeing a project manager. He's a project manager. He's overseeing it. He's over seen a few of young people with weird glasses. Like, that's how you design a car now. Well, I'll have, like, air cool 9-11s.

Right. Yeah, but Marcel Gandini, like, it's just, I think of all of his designs, like, I love the Montreal. I love, like, he also did the original BMW 5 series. He did a lot of really great house. I saw one this weekend in New York City. Did she die? Wow, just like, tip a hat. The one design that people probably don't associate with him as much.

But if you look at that, I agree with you, but if you look at that car, you can see the Gandini. It's lines. it's angular. He was told to take his design language, tone it down for the masses, and make a foredoor. And it works. It works.

But without question, of course, the big one that he is on the news, the Kuntush, undoubtedly, as we're staring at one that's over there, which is great. But yeah,

I mean, it is sad when these automotive legends pass away, but additionally, like, it was amazing he's still alive, to be honest. He lived in there.

And you know, who else is still alive is Jujarro, and they were kind of competitors. They sort of butted heads when they were in their 20s and their kind of peak of design. Jujarro ended up designing more desirable cars.

Yes. Well, a larger number of desirable cars. Yeah. The portfolio itself, not a higher percentage. Yeah. But it is, he is a total legend. It also puts into perspective, at least in my opinion, how young the automobile is in reference to a lot of other technology. Like, it's this guy, there's just a legend who built a car that will forever be considered timeless because it's just so insane looking.

It wasn't that long ago. It really wasn't that long. And at the time, it was a totally radical thing. I mean, Cizard Doors. The concept had never been, he created it. It was the first, the Kuntash, the first car that ever had it. First production car. He, because the first actual car was a concept car that he also created.

You're right. The car, the car is young, and Gandini had an amazing role in it, and I truly believe the Kuntash goes down as the craziest-looking production car ever. Without question, because so many years later, it still looks just as insane now, and it elicits it's the same response from people. It's like Kuntosh. It's like driving a cyber truck. Driving that car is like driving a cyber truck.

truck around. It's still so special. And that is the mark of a great great designer. Yep. So thank you, Gendini, for your contributions to the automotive. I'm in awe of all these designers

and so many great Italian designers created so many great cars. When you sit down and draw a car as a kid, you probably drew it looking like a wedge because he did it first. Like, it is hard to imagine like penning something new and original. I just don't have that ability.

And this design language is to this day the only thing that Lamborghini uses to design their cars. The hood and windshield are basically one thing. The sideline that goes sort of the way down the car. I mean, this is, he's still designed. And the mirror didn't have it, which he also created.

The mirror didn't have it. But then this car had it and it came up in the 70s. Think about that. He came with the mirror, which itself was an innovative design. It was beautiful. And then he was like, nah, angles now. And he just like went in a completely different direction. And both of them are exquisite. Like, it really is

impressive. So a true genius. I love this picture that he's just like, you know, yeah, I'm not concerned. I just want to go have lunch now. I'm kind of, yeah, I know I did the concussion. He's definitely gone to an anniversary, but, uh, I know. That's the other thing he's thinking is like, man, they messed this up. Well, I was going to ask, do you think that, Hirashi Pagani really messed with my design. He should have left, let me with the loan.

They gave this to an Argentine. Yeah. Because he's Italian accent. Sorry, that was an Italian accent. Yeah. Do you think that when Lamborghini came out with the new kuntash? he was like okay it's time no don't you remember what happened yeah he

he came out strongly against it he issued a press release this is incredible saying but he hated it and he disavoured it and he's not part of it would be saying they'll just kind of end like okay it's time right okay next news story Gandini

oh amira lotus emiras finally being delivered which is a big deal because they hadn't been this is the amira story I'm going to tell it to you it's a wild story do you know this sorry the first but you go ahead the amuras are built they are sent to the port

the California Air Resources Board would not certify them for sale, which doesn't only mean they can't be sold in California. It means they can't be sold in there's like 15 states that follow California. It's Hawaii and a couple states in the Northeast and Oregon, but, you know. And so they were certified for sale in the other 36 states, and Lotus decided to hold them because what they didn't want was someone to buy the car in New Mexico and then sell it to a California and then it couldn't be registered there. That was a thing.

49 state cars were. Right. Well, now would be, and now would be 36. Right, right. So they waited until they had carb certification. They finally do, and Emiras are being delivered. These cars have been sitting at dealerships, not even in California. Lotus needs the money.

Lotus needs the money. And Lotus dealers, man. Poor them. The good news is they are coming out with a full-size electric sport utility vehicle. That's an EMI, Emia. Electra. Electra. What's a...

This is the E-Mura. Yeah, okay. I thought it was on that had a Y in it somewhere. That's Filippe in a nutshell. Yes. I don't know what the sports car, the desirable one is, but the one that nobody wants, that's the most practical utilitarian vehicle.

What is he talking about with a Y in it? I'm thinking of every lotus. Ilan, Eklat. The Amia, Amaya is the hyper one. Oh, he's thinking of the super car. It's a hyper one. Yeah. Well, that's, yeah, it's still not here.

But this is very exciting. I personally am like really interested in these cars. You know, Harry Metcalfe has been driving his a ton and just raves about how good it is. I think they're really exciting. Although he's British. Yeah. And that accepts the word. the words of British people about British cars.

Right. That's so true. Right. That's not untrue. But still, he's put, I think, something crazy, like almost 10,000 miles on his, and it's been excellent. And I do trust Harry. I do trust, yeah, he's the, yes, I agree. He's the only British person.

This is exciting. I can see it's being a Kevin. I'm really into this car. The thing that blows me away is, like, the four-cylinder and the six-cylinder have no distinguishing exterior, like, differences. Oh, is that true? Yeah. They look the same.

You can't tell. I only drove a six-cylinder. The four-cylinder still wasn't available and may still. still not be... I don't know if it's I loved it. I thought it was great. There's a lot of drama

to the look of the car. I think it, I thought it was excellent. But it's a lot like an avora and I think it's going to have the same trajectory, which is, it's cool,

but... And it will be bought by people who want to be a little different. The Vora was a bit boring. But like, most people were going to buy a Porsche. And I think that's just the reality of the Lotus.

Most they're going to buy a Porsche. Situation. I think, yeah, for a significant number of sports car manufacturers, like the default is the 9-11. So, oh, this is what?

Cayman size. Yes, it's somewhere in between. I mean, that also in this class. A Cambridge, this is a tough sell over a Cayman GTS, given dealer network, and we're not sure is Lotus around. But fortunately, with their Kia EV-9 competitor, they will cement their status as a great brand. Give them credit.

It's an EQE competitor. British manufacturers just make wild decisions. Dude, I have to think about that for a second. It's like 7,000 pounds. Yeah, which, you know, Lotus famously, the recipe was, you know. Yeah, right. Superfi and add lightness. Or throw more battery in there.

Or make it really heavy. Or make a three row 8, 8,000 pound SUV. No, I don't know what it actually weighs, but it's heavy. But it's heavy. It is not smaller than that. It's the same way, just like a... Well, it's the same way, but how many B is 13,000 pounds? 5820.

That's three elises. That is a heavy vehicle. Yeah, but look up what, like, a EQE weighs. EQE is not made by Lotus. Well, obviously. But is it any lighter than as competitors? E-Q-E-S-U-V is 5,300.

Wow. So no. So no. Okay. All right. It's a brave new world for Lotus. For sure. Wow.

All right. Kenan, give us the next great. This. Have you heard of this? I hope you put this in for you. Yes, because it's a $51,000 option, right? This is the Range Rover Sport, Park City edition.

It's just ridiculous. If it was a full size, it would have been the Aspen edition, but it's the sports. So they did the Park City. Nice. Very nice. for your niche rich people that are thinking about where to go on vacation It's so niche right here

Yeah right You need help I can all we decide Can you buy a full size? Good Aspen Can you not? Park City Or Breckenridge

Right The Range Over Sport Park City edition Is very limited There are seven There are seven individual You're making seven Are they individually numbered or now Do you want

If you could get all the six guys Together who bought it You could probably use a Sharpie Do you want one? You have to go to your dealer and say, I want, they're going to say, I'm sorry, there's only seven. We're not getting one.

I don't even know how to get one of seven. The answer is, Land Rover's going to shove it down the throat of their dealers who are going to be like, we don't want this. And the reason they don't want it is. It's going to be what? Like Land Rover Westchester and...

Yeah, probably. Move the dealer in Salt Lake and get one. The reason the Land Rover dealers don't want it is it is $51,000 more than a regular Range Rover sport autobiography. Not just a regular sport. Okay, I'm glad you asked. You get skis.

Ooh, that's a good valuable. Yes. Well, we'll come back to that. Are the skis that are made for your ski preferences? No, they're made by... What's the name of the company that makes them? Oh, I didn't... I looked into this, but the company...

There was nothing in the world that could justify... I would... If Doug and I need different skis. They're $1,500. They're $1,500. So, to be clear, the skis is normally cost $15 for a pair. The size. The length.

Because it matters. I don't know. Maybe it doesn't matter. I've bought new skis in a long long time. They're $1,500 skis, but it's a $51,000. Right. So of the $1,500,000, there's a roof rack. Ooh.

Okay. Which is not shown in the photo. Not shown in the photo. Incredibly. So not an attractive roof rack. Take our word for it. There's a ski carrier. Sure, like a nice bag.

No, I think it must go on the roof. Okay. And my personal favorite. Did you read all this? No. Personal massagers. You like plug it in and like stick it somewhere in your body and it like they don't have massaging seats like it's got that But a pre a pre-a-ski yeah yeah

Okay I'm familiar okay okay you get into your Park City edition right one of seven right and then you turn on the massage you put the ski on the ski rack Yep did you turn on the massage are they in the seats? No they're they're they're so confused They're the first they've moved them you take them with you is this this So it's like once people won massaging seat but bought an 07 super outback. So they put like a seat cover. It has nothing to do with the seats.

It's unrelated to the car. It's like a device that you can buy it on eBay or Amazon. Got it. But they're putting it. They're giving it to you. I think we've gone to like $47,000 of value here. Where are the last four grand? That's the color.

They're all white to match the slopes. Right. Is this the most cynical car car? No, because they've done another one. I can't remember what was. It was like the Miami Beach. It was a similar one of six thing. It was also embarrassing.

How much you think it will be worth extra on cars and beds in five years, 10 years, 20 years? I think that the option package will hold $0. The color of its value. And the rarity won't add to it either. No. The park city is just like, the what? But that people are going to complain on the comments that, oh, they don't have the personal massagers anymore. So that's a attraction.

And the skis. And this is a little problem before. The Volkswagen Jetta K2. Do you remember this car? No, of course not. In the 90s, Volkswagen created a Jeddah called the K2 edition. And there was a Jeddah called the Trek edition. I remember the Trek edition.

They come with a bike. The Trek came with a Trek mountain bike. I didn't know that. The K2 came with K2 skis. Nice. The Lexus coaches came with coach bags. Everyone lost them. Fascinating.

All of that stuff is gone. Yeah. I didn't remember the track edition came with a bike. Yeah? I lived in Wisconsin for a long time and Trek is based right outside of Madison. And you would see a ton of Jetta track edition. They knew that it was like the right demo for Jetta's at that time. Like young active.

There were a grand on Craigslist. The cars. I don't know about the bikes. Maybe the bikes were also a garage list. Man, so somebody's just riding around out there and one of those bikes, probably not realizing. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. How cool. That it should be reunited with a car and therefore double the value of the car. These skis, to be clear, are made of wood and I don't think I would necessarily want to use. They're made of wood. Believe self-memory station. The company that makes these, I really am struggling to remember what it is. They're beautiful.

Like, they're so pretty you wouldn't want to use them. Honestly, which kind of, you know, useless as kind of the design, design brief for this car. What is the story with the mirror in this picture? Right. It's AI. Photoshop poorly. Okay. Those are our news.

We have any other news stories? Has anything come up today? We can talk about Audi's naming conventions. I already did this morning, but we'll talk about it again. Okay. Overseas, yeah. Audi has named their cars with two-digit numbers. 55, 60, and then I don't know, 40 maybe.

There were a bunch, 4555. So, like, Canada doesn't know this, but it used to be that the Audi, it was like the Audi A6 3.0-T, denoted that it had a supercharged six-elder. But you get the point, right? It was like the displacing of the vehicle was somewhere in the name. Yes. Then about five years ago, overseas, they changed it to be a number that I don't think has any relation. It was just meant to be like, if you went to look at an A4, the 55, the 55, 85, A4-35.

Yeah. There was no relation. It's like Cadillac now names their trim packages based on the Newton meters of torque, not for some reason. So you can get that escalate 600, which doesn't have 600. Yes, yeah, Newton meters of torque instead of pound feet. For reasons. Because it's a larger. Yeah, exactly.

But Audi announced this week that they will no longer do that. And instead, they will just use nothing to denote trim levels, except that like, there's going to be a new Q60s, which we can talk about in a minute too. it will be the Q6 E-Tron the bigger battery will be the performance not the bigger motor the bigger battery will be the performance edition

they'll still be probably an SQ6 an RSQ6 but from what I can tell other models just won't have a nomenclature around them at all it's like the A4 will just be

the A4 regardless of what power train or trim you have so that is the end of the news and now on to market trend Can I give my market trend first? Yes.

Here's a fact. Subaru BRZs. Do you know what used early BRZ costs? They got to be in the teens. Low teens. No. 10. Whoa.

Wow. Really? Okay. Interesting. Now is that like high mileage? Okay. Well, I'm not sure. But what on modified potential?

Just type in BRZ. We sold one yesterday for like 11. And I was like, I wonder what these are going for. Wow. 13. Put on lowest price. Put on the lowest price filter. All right, let's take a look.

Lowest price. It's not hard to find them in the 9 to 13 range. Including that one was largely stock. Series Blue was vaguely desirable and 12.5. Yeah? Look at that. That's crazy. Probably as miles, yeah.

Yeah. 150,000. But you get the point. These are reliable engines. Reliable engines. And this car is super desirable. This car is 10 now. That's the year's 10 now.

Right. And also it's 11 years old. That's, I can't. I can't believe you could get that for 13.5. Right. I remember everybody, everybody complained they were slow. Well, for 10.

I mean, it's a fun car to drive, and it's a fun car to throw around. And for that small amount of money, it's hard to go wrong. I mean, I think you'd be challenged to find. You can't get an E36 for that anymore. NAs are probably,

NAMI autos are probably, a little cheaper than that, but not by much. They're also 10 years older. Right. 20 years older. 20 years old. Yeah, but,

Would you rather have this for an NC? It's a convertible. That's cool. But I normally prefer Coup. But this is, this car is... I would rather have a BRC. Super desirable, incredible tuner culture. This car has gotten to a point where it's like very ownable and very buyable.

Wow. Amazing. And you can't imagine at 12 or 13, you'd lose money if you bought one and screwed around for two years. No, no, yeah. Can we talk about a different $10,000 car? Interesting. So I have a FIFA founder to Barth. Okay.

Let's be honest. I frequently consider what other cars I could buy. 10 grand. Because this is Filippo's car price, and that's correct. I don't spend more than a, I spent 11.250 on that car, and that's the most. 10. 11.250 will never go past.

And Farr's are still worth about that, except for some that have gotten real cheap. Cabri Lader kind of Florida 10. But he's got the 500 of Barth market. He's got it. He's got it. He knows it cold. Yeah, of course. See serial number 1-21714 sold for 8,800 the other day.

but something I'm considering as a replacement. Mark 7 GTIs are also ones with accidents and just type of GTI because you'd be surprised We've also broken up. We've also broken them up. We have, but... We'd be surprised how cheap GTIs in general are. Mark 7 is this one.

Yeah, yeah. I would, I mean, 15, there was one for 114 sold after for really just more than that. I bid on one that was 12. In general, these prices are like, that's... The Marks 7th, So that's 2017, basically the same until 2022.

Yeah, and still kind of looks the same. And frankly, kind of looks like a Mark 5. Like to people who don't know much about cars. But like, the difference between a Mark 5 and a great car for $14,000. Absolutely, it's a great car. I will tell you you're a Barth is more fun. I had a Mark 5. Of course.

Yeah. Yeah, I had a Mark 5 GTI. No, I know. And the Barth is more fun. Yeah. But plaid seeds. I know. It's got plaidsts.

See, it's got the golf ball shifter. The barth is the least Felipe car imaginable. And so I think about what I could get. Imagineable, no. No. I can name some right now. I was interested in. And the GTI is like the deepest Felipe car that could exist.

Huh. Wait, sorry. Because it's very, it's very practical and it's like very good. But it's not as much fun as you're a barth. And you don't like have children or a commute. So you should really just have a car that's kind of, that's what the bar is for.

Yeah. It's a mile. That's what the amount is for. Like, it's for people who don't need anything practical, who want something kind of like. And it's more fun than this. This car is more practical. Extra consumer advice, but also think about it for 10 grand. Here's a crazy fact for you on the market trends.

Type an M4. Oh, yeah. You saw this is going, yeah. Jesus. You saw this yesterday? I did. Yeah, this one. We just sold an M4 for $24,000.

Now, it had a lot of miles. It had 105,000 miles. It was a first year and it was an auto. Yeah, automatic. Yeah. You gotta think about buyers for these cars. And the answer is they're people that want to upgrade from a Mustang, or not Camara, but are Mustang Camara people.

Fine. I don't want to be associated with that. Go back one to the results page. This is the really crazy thing. The next day, we sold a new up the last year, or the second of last year, with one owner competition with low miles for 56. There's a pretty wide gap. Probably wide gap.

But it's pretty amazing that early M4s are... That was a vet sheet. I mean, for an automatic one, executive package. This is 32. They're getting into the 20s. It's funny because first it was the E46M3 that became a cheap M3. Well, all. All M cars go through this.

But it's, it's, I don't think of the M4 as that old of a, you know, I see them. 15 doesn't feel a lot long ago, but that was nine years ago. Nine years ago. And so ultimately, these cars are getting to that age. And so this is the new cheap M car. And in 10 more years, we're going to be sitting here being like, man, stick M4 comps are a buy a 30, 35 or 35 or 37 or whatever. What's the cheapest stick we've sold?

Let's see. Lowest. And then filter for manual. No, all right. However you prefer to do it, it's fine. There you go, though. Those are,

load a mid-30. Also, by the way, it points out, once again, buy the manual. Yeah. But unless you can drive. That's not that different and it's, you know. Unless you put 24.

No, no, sorry. If you're buying the view. There are other use cases to it. If you're commuting, you know, Maybe you don't want a manual. If I'm saying, it was 24, and I'm thinking, okay, I'm going to be stuck in a high mileage, older one. Oh, wait a minute.

Here's an opportunity to get into a new car. This isn't, it looks good. It looks really nice. And when you drive it around, nobody knows it's 24-1. They don't know the difference between a 24-1 or 56 one. Right. No idea. I'm worried that.

If you're buying a new M-4, you'll get your money back. Oh, wow, 1199 foundation plate. Yeah, although it's fake. Yeah, they were all big. Deep fake. Yeah. That doesn't work anymore. M4s are cheap

Wow that's an impressive lot of car for the money A lot of performance for the money Yep Kenan you get any market trends for us So BMW Yes there are a couple that I've noticed Have kind of like settled A lot of cars were watching or went through

This crazy period of time And have settled One of them as it was very close to My heart was the E36 M3 Like I mentioned it previously But I will forever think of those as $6,000 cars And some people say $6,000 driving experience

But they have settled, like, into the, like, generally for decent ones with a manual, you're paying over 20 now. And, you know, there was a time when it looked like this front was taking off to a point where it was going to start following the 30 M3. Right. That did not happen. That did not happen. 9-96 is the same. We thought it was going to maybe start going to have its moment. It didn't happen.

But, yeah, these cars, they are a lot. They are a lot of fun. I will say you had one. Yeah. You had me. We both. I had one. Yeah.

And they are also pretty reliable as M cars go. I still think a pretty good buy. But it is wild that you have to spend 20 for like a really nice one. This one was particularly nice. This manual sedan. But like, Yep. M345.

Well done. How does he? Because he heard me say it once. No, I just think that remember when I started here, we, we, I wrote a story about a guy that bought an E345 from us. Your friend out in Pennsylvania. Oh, yes. And that's when I learned three and a half years ago. Here's a crazy thing for you.

When I was in high school, middle school, high school, and I was on the forums, an E30M3 was a 15 car. And if you spent 15, you knew you were going to get 15 and up was a good one. And 15 and lower was a ratty one. And that was the rule in 2002, 2003. Everyone knew that rule. Right. And now we've gone like this. It's a little different.

And now we've got to, yeah. No, I'm talking with the E30. Oh, the E30. Yeah. E30 is a little different. Although E30 values have also really cool down. A lot of stuff has. I'm actually kind of...

It's still a lot of money to go slow, but it's less money than it wants. Not as a owner of cars and bids, but as an enthusiast, I am a little bit happier about the current state of the market. Cars are declining in price like they should have been. Stuff starting to get cheap. Returning to normality. Returning to normality. And stuff is stuff that should have been getting cheap.

991-911 is like the greatest example of this. Yes. It's like getting into prices where you're starting to look at it and you're like, uh, maybe I should be thinking about this. I've been waiting for that car to come down in value the dot ones in particular forever. Because I think that would make such a good daily driver. Click on low.

You'll be surprised. We've sold us some in the 40s. Yeah, we certainly have. So like 42 at that number. I mean, that's a, so you look at that and then you think, well,

it's PDK. I get that it's base in PDK, but like it's a daily. Yeah, but it's a good, it's a good, very good transfer. start thinking yourself, you know, why do I get a 997?

Yeah. So then that starts to depress 997 values, which is probably what has had an effect on the day. They have gone down and so have 996 values. Finally again. This is what, this is the cause. Because 9-1s and 992s were just like staying at sticker for like all of COVID. And now life is very different. Thank God for that.

As a consumer. As a consumer. As someone who really wants a Porsche. Somebody who miles out our business less up. Philippo, give us another market trend. All right. I think it's something good to talk electric again. Model S.

Model S. We sold one yesterday. I find cut in search and fascinating. It's wild. Well, first of all, we have four model S is live, including serial number 1,000. This model S, but 118. This model S with the third row jump seats and a good color. No, that is the, you don't even have to click it.

That'll be. Why did they not buy that? 118 we sold the model S for. That's. Where? Colorado. This would have been a great spec. This is great proof of, So whoever bothers in 2013.

You shouldn't paint wheels black on a car that is not from the black wheels era. This is a great example of that. However, other than that, I mean, it looks pretty nice. 103,000 miles. It is a 60, which is the lowest. A lot of these tests are getting crazy miles. It turns out that Elon wasn't lying to us when he said they could go. Didn't we see one with like 200,000 miles or something?

Yeah, we sold over 200. 150,000 miles on this one. You hear of them with that. real mileage. People have miles. Pretty remarkable. But that model has 60, which the 60 is $100 horsepower. Although, all right, let's compare this.

118. That had 300 horsepower. A 5355. 535. Type in 2013. Let's find out. Right, like. No, no, no, just type in 2013. The year, the number. Just the number. Just the number. Let's see what we could get. Let's do what other stuff that came up in 2013 costs.

Go down. 717 cars we sold from the year. G37S. which was cheaper at the time. That's so wild. The Model S is a bargain compared to that. Kind of is. Also, same horsepower.

Dude, the Model S is a bargain compared to a lot of these. A lot of these. S4 is a better car for sure, but it's double the price. That 335I is, I don't know. I don't know which I'd rather have. Yeah, that's like a one-to-one. That's interesting. For a second, I didn't see it there.

I was hoping he was talking about the M3-3-35-I. That is an M-3-Filippe. Oh, you'll move. Your screen went. You pointed up as you said that. The story here is not just the Model S, though. It is electric cars in general have gotten tremendous. Well, I mean, when Tesla lowers their prices every two months, it's awful.

The cars start to get old. At the end of the day, it is becoming shockingly affordable to buy one of these cars. My best example is Rivian. So we've talked about this before, but can it toss Rivian in there? And then go lowest price. And then go lowest price. R1T's are sub-660 now. It is, and consistently.

Yeah. It isn't like that. That's not a fluke. That one had a ton of miles. is the one that sold for 52. Honestly, impressive miles. Generally speaking, this is no longer a fluke. If you look at the dates on all these,

everyone that is sold for 60 or less has been within the last 90 days. Yep. That's where this market is heading. That tells you where the R1S for 66. And that tells you where the SUV market is. And it's like, this is starting, at 40 something, this starts to get kind of interesting and we're six months from that. Right.

Which is what should happen, by the way. It's good. We sold the R1S for 130 early on. It seems to me like it's happening quicker to EVs. Type in Taek-com. Did you see that Taekon sale? I did. Okay.

Thankfully for me, we're only years away from my buying. That Taekon, that blue one, sold for 75. That's a 22. It had a, I looked, it had a 122 sticker. So that car lost 50 in value in two years and how many miles? In 13,500 miles. That's what you expect from a full-time, from a full-sized Porsche. Panamara values.

That's true. That's also very good. I have the feeling, though, that EVs are doing worse. I wonder, okay, what's, can you find a model three? What's the cheapest is model three we've sold? Oh, dude. They are very inexpensive. I mean, it's becoming kind of throwaway money.

It's not there yet. 15 grand. I mean, that's one-off, but it's not there yet, obviously. But you can see where this is going. If we're selling model S's for 11-8, when this car is that age, they're going to be six or four. Yeah. Man, that's hard to, that's hard to believe. You can't, how do you argue with that point?

No better electric car for that price. I think the concerns, one of the reasons why it starts to happen. And this doesn't really apply to Riving yet because they're not quite old enough. But, like, battery issues, I think is something that's on consumers' minds. Like, it's going to be expensive. But I think some of the benefits are like, the updates come over the air. It's not like the old days where, like, if you want to stop supporting them. At some point, but I mean, they still support the stuff they've rolled out originally.

So, like, you know, I think that there's. And it's still looks very much the same. That's true. Even the facelift, you go on the Tesla forms, be like, this is incredible. The front end looks so. different to a human. To a non-fanatic. They look identical.

Right. To a non-car person. You know what's going to start happening? People can buy these for five. They're not going to place to charge it, so they're just going to plug it in like a toaster. Like the, yeah. Am I wrong? No, you're not. Okay, let's say you're someone looking for a $5,000 use car in five years.

And these are five, or you can get a Versa. And you look at this when you say, okay, well, this is cool. It's relatively reliable. The only problem is I don't know a place to plug it in. I'm going to plug it in like a toaster. How long does that take to charge if you toaster it? A day and a half. I think it's like eight.

No, I think it's longer. I think it's really long. These are big batteries. It's no longer like a leaf. But maybe. Yeah. That's something to consider. That's a bar.

What can you buy new for 20? Nothing. A Mirage. It's not sold anymore, but like a Versa maybe is 20. Right. And this car is three, four years old. I would buy a three-year-old model three over a Versa. Yeah.

Absolutely. All day long. I actually saw Mirage the other day. I was driving around town saw Mirage like G4, whatever, whatever the trim level was. And I was like, man, there's somebody who just didn't look at used car values. Just buy something else. The only way that you end up on one of those is Mitsubishi will finance people who used cars, dealers won't. Maybe.

Even then. Even then. Wow. I mean, no wonder every last Uber I've been in has been. Yeah, Model 3. And you know what? They're nicer. I was just here.

Yeah. It's quiet. It's just quiet. I was just in New York City. We took every manner of taxi and Uber and Uber Black and Uber X. Everything. No bettering on what was available. I wrote everything from an escalade to whatever the Ford Transit Connect with no mismatched tires.

Yeah. And the nicest one of all was the Y. You just better than escalates because Uber's have some propensity to destroy the suspension in their escalades at an unbelievable level. And so you're in an escalade, but you're going around and every time you go over a bum, it's like, That is so consistently true everyone. What is the deal? Why does every Uber Escalade have 300,000 miles? Where did the first 300,000 miles go?

You would think that they would have used those 300,000 miles doing Uber. And so you'd at some point get into one that only has like 8,000 miles. And it would still be nice. It's part of the limo service at that point. Right. The limo service before they flip out to Uber. Wait, do you have taxis? Didn't you have a taxi-related topic?

This brings us to our next segment, which is things. that are happening. Things that are happening. Okay. There's a lot of things that are happening. Yeah. Start us off. Okay. My land over defender went away yesterday. Yeah. The Fender 90. End of an era. I waved goodbye. I rode up.

It was here at the R office. We sent it up in the elevator. He drove it out. I waved goodbye and watched it go around the corner. It did. Oh, yeah. Started beautifully. It didn't even give out clouds of smoke, as has happened years ago before you got that fixed. Yeah. It's in good shape. And I'm not surprised that it's fine. And it's going off to New York. I've had that car seven years. On Friday, it'll be seven years.

Exactly. And now it's gone upstate New York. And that's that. We'll never cheat again. Yeah. Because I don't go to update New York for after. Yeah. Way upstate.

Like Saratoga. Wow. It's gone. Tell us how you're feeling. Fine. In public on the podcast. You know, I got a sale on Instagram. People are like, you're selling your lifeblood.

Every time a YouTuber sells a car, people get incredibly upset. Yeah. You can't buy. You're selling out. you're getting rid of all the stuff that makes you you. This is like the main, every time. Every time. And it doesn't matter what car.

You could have bought it yesterday. When I bought my A class, I announced I was going to be keeping it for like an afternoon. And I did. And the people like, I can't believe you're already selling that. It's like, how hell? But I'm thrilled to be downsizing my amount of cars. In the next, in the 90 day span that started when I sold that A class, I will sell four cars. Land Cruiser is live right now.

It won't be. By the time this podcast, it will be. It will be. close on Monday. And then I'm selling my wife's car and it's just going to be great. It's going to be great. Goodbye, Doug's wife's car. There it is.

Hey, just for consumer advice, can you go to all the photos and just scroll to underbott? All right. So this is my second thing that's happening. There's been some comments about people were very upset that I used this car. How dare you? How dare you? The fact that you go and use this thing. Did whoever clean it get out all the same thing?

It looks a little rusty The comments have been interesting People are commenting in California People are kind of oh my this is the worst thing I've ever seen Anybody in the East Coast Are like this is My truck is so much less rusty than this But I daily

This is not problematic rustic No I think that if you're smart You try to get under here with like undercoding And actually do it right Like I should have On the East Coast This looks bad but it's not Abroad. Oh, no. If you were in the north, this would be like a normal regular. I'm from the Midwest. I've certainly seen worse, but it doesn't mean it's good.

It especially isn't good considering it happened in only two years. Because I bought this car and it was clean. This emphasizes what, yeah, like living next to salt air. I know I get made fun and for saying it's like, I mean, I'm not wrong here. Like this is a lot. Now, granted, you also took this on the beach and, you know, it did get wet, I'm sure. Yeah, when I bought this car, there was never, there was never a thought that I would. sell it. My thought was I was just going to use it until it died, which for a Toyota could be able to be. It did several times, actually, and that's why I'm getting rid of it. Yeah, yeah, the unreliable picture is with a nice suburban behind you. Yeah, look at that nice suburban. Yes, the paragon of reliability that it's supposed to be the land cruiser. Well, you know what's funny? So I also, people have been giving me crap because I spent all this

money at the dealer trying to fix it up before I got rid of it. And people like they're insane for spending this much. And some people said I was insane for spending that much on it. And And then a whole other group of people said, I can't believe you didn't do the other three things that these engines are famous for failing. And it's like, oh my God, this isn't as reliable as everybody says. I don't think. No, it has a prototype of reliability. Everybody just assumes. But in actuality, it's a truck from 11 years ago.

Yeah, that. And it literally has some problems. Radiators fail, starters failed. They're known on this power train. It has as many factory grenades as an E60M5 as it turns out. No, it doesn't. No, I assure you it doesn't. I think it does.

They're just way less expensive. Yeah. deal with. No, I don't think that's true. I agree they're less expensive, but the E60, I think it has more. You know, like for this, for instance, you have to change the battery on this car. I've changed the battery. That's a battery that's at E60M5.

I've changed the battery. You have to tell the car there's a new battery. You have to code the battery to the car. Like, and that's not an unreliability thing, but that sure is annoying. And so, yeah. Now, I would also like it noted that, you know, you make fun of me for how unreliable my M5 is and, oh, it's this money, but the never ends. We spent the same money on maintenance last year. That car and my car.

No, your prior, your prior I spent, yeah, I think that. You put the three years. He puts 13 in every year. Right. No, the three years before that, I don't think I spent anything. Like, it just oil changes and that was it. So, bye, land cruiser. Not sad about that one.

The defender, I'm going to miss a little bit. I know I didn't have to deal with it or take care of it or ship it across the country or any of that or store in the winter. It'll just be nice to be able. I need less going. I know you need less. I need less going on. Actually, I have never liked your land cruiser.

And I don't feel strongly, but it's at all. Well, the lane cruiser, yeah, I couldn't care less about the lane cruiser. I didn't like it. The summer, I still don't like it now. But nonetheless, it will go away to somebody else. My other happening is, I was in New York City. And there was a lot of always a lot of weird car things in New York City. But I saw a postal police vehicle.

As in it is the police that the post service has. I presume. Yeah, it exists. Okay. It was like that time Newman got, or like, Jerry got interrogated, I think, by the post- find that, right, in that like dimly lit room. And eventually they convicted

and Jerry goes, all right, what's the penalty? And Newman's like, it'll be a small fine. Exactly. Okay. Postal police vehicle. Yeah. I want you to guess what it was. Now, as you know,

the federal government has to buy American-made products. Was it a new car? Yeah. Okay, okay. What is, what new American-made, that would be notable enough for me to bring it up here, what new American made car is the postal police driving? Think about it.

Imagine you work for the post office and you're in procurement. The Volkswagen facade. Okay. Okay. Much more esoteric. Kenan, give us the picture. That's too obvious. Wow.

A Subaru Ascent. I don't know what it is. No way. I mean, it is made in Indiana. This is a postal police vehicle. Wow. Subaru Assess. Honestly, that is, that works with the livery and everything.

Do you think that the, yeah, I know it fits right into the little hole in the lights? Do you think that the post office is going to have as many issues with the Ascent as all the people who bought them? Do you think their transmission will fail within the first 1100 miles? They're used to some level of unreliability from their other vehicles. The Grumman LLB. Although I do love that like, this is what I would have pictured. Yeah, I love that the Post. We want a little spice.

You know? A whole spice. Go for the Subaru version. I do wonder if you're the procurement person for the postal police, why branch out? Why not just continue to order explorers? Make life easy. Presumably they do their own mechanic work.

Right. They got to work on a Subaru ascent? I wonder if they had an issue getting explores. Because every police department in America. And every police department in America wants it. And nobody has trouble getting sense. It's hard to suffer from them back, but that's pretty face. Maybe that's reasonable.

Oh, so that is the ascent that blew up. That is the assent with transomiles. It's six transmissions. If I'm wrong here, it's really hard. It's off from the back. The front is the only part that really had a facelift. You say they're on six transmit. How many things do you think the postal police are driving around to?

I think that they're going after mail offenders. They're in high-speed chases. They're jumping curbs. You've been forging stamps. You've been forging stamps. They've got to go out to Brooklyn to talk to a guy about forging stamps. And so they get in the ascent. Would you rather drive?

Island guys, we're going. Unfortunately, to that many people causes the transmission to fail before they even get it. So it's all over. Do you think that as a postal police employee, you prefer it when you get the assent instead of the Explorer? Yes, except for the one out of every three times you take it out and the transmission goes. That's the problem with the postal police assent. By the way, the assent is a great car. They fix the transmission problems.

If you had one of the first three years of assent, you're on your 11th transmission. Maybe it's engine. I think it's bold. There were a lot of issues. They were the earliest sense had a lot of issues. The E60M5 of Super 6thus. The E6tm 5 is a wild, no. There's some WRXs and SDIs.

Well, but it's headgaskets otherwise. Me and Felipe can knock out a head gasket in a weekend with a pack of cold ones. They just see. You wouldn't even know where to point to a head gasket. No, I know exactly where the head gasket is. Right where the engine is. Uh-huh. Cold what?

Not a curiosity. You get some cold bruise do a Subaru head gasket or three. Legacy 2.5 G. G. Nice. Okay, do you have any interesting happenings? Do you have an interesting happening? That's a good question.

I've got to think about this for a second. We've only been preparing for a couple of days. Kevin, please. Yeah, so I'm preparing. So I'm still on the quest for a sports car. Yeah. I've really, like, recently we got a really, really cool BMW into cars and bids. We have an E34M540I.

And people are like, is that real? Yes, they asked myself that they mean that year, and they did? Yes, it was a Euro, E34M5 that the, because they're running out of production, like they wanted to finish off the E-34, they made a V8 powered version of the car with all the Euro M5 cool touches, specifically for the Canadian market for some reason. And they got 32 of them. They're 32.

It's a bizarre story. It's a bizarre story, but they're 32. There's a lot of weird end of late of 34s. Yep. This one, I think, is like, in my opinion, is what the E3 4M5 always should have been. And it got a V8, 6 speed manual transmission, limited slip differential, it got the cool, adjustable suspension, all that stuff. The right wheels.

People don't realize that the E34 world, the M5 had a six-cylinder, but then you could get a V8. Right. Now, the M-5 was the most powerful. Yes, the six-old was like 280 horse, and the M-5 was like 315. That's correct. But still, wouldn't you rather have a V-V-8? And, of course, then they did that with the next M-5. And sold tons of them.

I think that was the last time where there was a discrepancy like that. Like, after that, the M-car was always lived at the time. Right. Well, yeah. At the time, the M-branded in the United States really struggled. 3.34m5s were a hard cell. So was the E28 before. The E30 was a hard sell. The E24. All of those cars were difficult cells.

Then along came the E36M3, which changed everything. And then the E3-9M-5 helped really cement the brand in the United States. Where is this going? Are you going to buy B3-4? I really want that car, but gorgeous.

It's so, the E-30, yeah, it's exactly duplicative. So we want a sports car. We've talked him into an Aston-Martin V-8 Vantage. Yes. Now, I want a manual, of course. impossible to find. They are manual people bought

convertibles and a man but nobody wanted because with the convertibles at the time I think people bought the god awful sports shift transmission

because they wanted to cruise and they wanted to be effortless how awful was it it was not good but listen to this sin against humanity they made the vantage through 15

ashton built 15500 V8 coups 6200 V8 roadsters it's 3 to 1 basically coop to roadster so already you're playing at a disadvantage if you want a roadster

And then I agree with you. I suspect that the roadsters had more of the tips. Yeah, we'll call it hypothetically two-thirds of them are probably tips. Yeah. So realistically, you know, not a lot to choose from. Yeah. And all I want, like, I just want, like, I think that tungsten gray or one of the darker colors looks great in the car. I just don't want it to be black.

I just can't deal with, like, swirls and dirt, and I just can't deal with. What about white? I don't think it looks great in white. There was one that came up locally. One came up locally. It was like on Facebook marketplace. white stick owned by an old guy maintained by an old guy. Ken's like that.

Because everybody I know sent this car to Kenan and he was like nah. And we were all the Kenner. He sent it. Our friend group agreed. However, the interior was blue and everything was blue for 11 minutes. It does not matter. Yes. The color of the car.

You will own it for 11 minutes. Part of the beauty of the car is looking at it. And it's going to real. So then you're going to overpay for one. I'm going to, I, I have learned, like, the 355 was not the color I wanted, as it turned out. That was an accident. But I am only going to buy the color I want. You're going to have the car for 11 minutes.

You should just buy, why don't you want? Buy an car. It was a lot of blue. The entire interior is blue, the steering wheel. I mean, it just wasn't like. Wow, that answers that. I just don't, like, dashboard should be black. Like, the carpets should be black.

Everything was blue. Sorry, I encourage you, T. And it's just like, I just, I just, I was. a mistake too. In that era, and you know, if you got the red interior in the career, the entire steering wheel is red, at least mine is half black. I agree with you. I think if a car has a red interior, that doesn't mean we want

19... I don't want it. General Motors, Old a wheel cutless Sierra, like the seat belt buckles. That's not what I'm looking for. That's so true. But exactly. I just, and I just like, the interior, the exterior is one thing. The interior is really important because that's where you

spend the time when you're using the car. And it was blue. own it for nine minutes. And I have a suspicion that when you go to sell it, you can be like, yeah, this is special. And people be like, ooh. Yeah, or people are going to look at it and go, it might be special, but special for a reason. And like, people love weird.

Look at old Porsches. Old Porsches that are heinous. Yeah, those are old portions. Right. Right. Big money right now because they're special, even though they're. Yeah. Yeah.

But as stated previously, a manual roadster alone makes it special. So, like, I don't need it to be. Hold up that 986 box during that green that we sold. Remember this? Yeah, of course. I'll never forget it. I want it deeply. This was years ago.

Oh, he's a 100 one number five. Oh, man. It's like, it's like, oh, you're talking about the Yes, I am. No, Friday green, I think. It was Wilburne.

No, it was. Oh, no. There's a, there's a, I know what you're looking for. It was a pretty low mile once. If you go to lowest miles, you'll find it eventually. And it was an auto.

Or no, it wasn't. It was a, the reason I keep saying that is there was, there's one, there's a twin to this car. No, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that one. That one. That one. There's a twill.

Yeah, Wimbledo. Yeah. So, dude, this brought 19. This is heinous over heinous. That's the color combination. Hanes metallic over heinous full leather. That's the color combination. I personally, of course, would love to have.

Right. Exactly. If you're the owner of this car, we love it. It is so ugly that it's attractive. And I think people just want special. Because every acid is silver. God. Look at the seat.

Look at the carpet. Go back to any of the carpet shots. The carpet. It looks the full thing. It's faster to get back to it. It's faster to navigate that way. But yeah, the carpet is green. I don't have there with this little storage cubby there.

I didn't know that either. I'm surprised it wasn't green. Yeah. I have spread. I mean, this is a heinously interior car. I can't believe the steering wheel. Look, if I'm going to spend my money and I have to look at my car. I want it the way I want it.

I don't want some. In his defense, he'll spend five hours of week cleaning it and he's got to stare at a lot. Well, and it's also here and other people are subjected to staring at it. So, like, I just, I want what I want. I think white looks good. I also disagree with that completely. I think the dark colors look better on that car, generally. Yeah, I would settle for a silver one, but two silver cars is kind of boring.

But nonetheless, that car is on my list of sports cars that I want. I still, like, think a Z4M roadster would be cool. They're about the same. It was a perfect one for you. If you would, an Aston or a Z4 Roadster, come on. Huh? No question. You want an Aston over there.

Yeah, but the S-54 engine is so special. And we were recently talking about how, like, we've lost something with losing carburation. Like, I think we'll get a carburet. I'm not going to get a carburet car. But one of the beauties of carbureated cars is that they have such wonderful throttle response because they, you know, it's a linkage and like, and they have individual throttle bodies.

Like they have throttles on each of them. Okay. Got it. The E46M3, the S-54 has ITs. Any way that Kenan can get into individual throttle bodies, who will get us. Because it just gives you such control and sharpness and like, and that engine is, probably in my opinion it's the best natural aspirate six cylinder of all time and it's but BMWs debatably their best engine it's the most BMW engine of the mall

I would really like that E416m3 still to similar to the E3905 Z4M is rare cool only offer the manual got lots of cool bits from the CSL I think they're very special cars I would like to have them at some stage get an Aston what were you going to say the last thing I want to talk about is in addition to that E33m 540 I a Dodge Dorengo SB 360 came yesterday. Shelby SP 360. And it is the coolest

card we've ever had. It's got a blower. It's got a blower. Nick and I spent 20 minutes just staring at it. Well, it's also got second row bucket seats. It's got second row.

Does it? Yeah. It does have a third row. Is the third row is a bench? Was this, how many they make? 300? I haven't looked into it.

You know, we hosted this one before. We did, yeah. And it has 10,000 miles. You're going to review it. Yeah. It came down. Thanks for our friends of Curisados.

Literally can't wait to review this. It is. the single coolest car we've had here. It's also the only time in history these two cars have been mentioned in the same sentence together. But also America. Imagine driving on the 5 and you pass this. I point it is that you've red,

white and blue with two cars. Two cards. But yeah. I just wanted to say that it's really cool. That's it. You're cruising around. You're cruising on the 5 passed all these, all these boring, you know,

Tesla's and stuff down, Camp Pendleton, and then you pass this E-34 and an SP 360 Daringo. Which would you rather have? It's like 2004. Like just huge cards. The BMW. Kenan. You need to ask.

Obviously. Have you driven the direct go? Yeah, I drove it in here, but it's just... However, our friends, Nick, who loves crazy SUVs, that's perfect for him. I love German sedate sedans, although we've got some flare with the collar. That one's for me. Our final topic here on this car podcast, we're going to take questions. Now, the questions that we have this week, this is our first podcast.

These questions are coming to us from our previous live shows. and these are questions we didn't get to. But in the future, questions will be on the community tab on Cars and Bids.com. We're going to create a post every week where you can submit your questions. You go into our community tab, you post your question, and then we will answer it. But this week, we have the old live questions, and I will ask four of them or so. Let's do it. Let's do it.

Okay. Derek Butts asks, when are you going to review the Ineos Grenadier? I reviewed, I filmed it yesterday and the review will go up in a couple of days after the podcast, podcast goes up and I liked it. Can we? This is a rare instance for you.

Normally you could ask that question and you go, you got one? I actually thought it was good. I assume you don't like it. No, I think it's, I don't care about it. The market, though,

is not strong on them. No, they're trading for under MSRP already. They are expensive. They are expensive. You'll lose 20 grand. Yeah. They are expensive and they have a very small, which is like you.

Yeah. You are the market. Yeah, they have a very small buyer market. It's people who miss the old school trucks and SUVs and are willing to spend 85 for a new one and don't want to even take the step forward into like a new defender or new G wagon. That's like too far for that. So it's a sliver of people. Which model did you review? The trial master.

Here's a crazy fact for you. Trailmaster? No. Trialmaster? It is called the Trial Master. There are two trains. There's a base model, and then there's the Trial Master and the Fieldmaster. Everyone online calls it the Trailmaster. The person who owned the car said, I said, which trim do you have? He said, it's the Trailmaster.

I said, well, no. It is called the Trial Master. It is named after a high-quality jacket that is also called the... You're looking this up, and you're like, oh, interesting. I'm looking for sure. The Trial Master. The Fuselier is coming. Anyway, it was pretty good.

You know what powers the Grenadier? No, I don't. You don't? Oh, this is up your alley. B-58, six-cylinder from the... B-58's in like the... It's on all the six-cylinder BMWs. And the Toyota Super.

And the Super. I was really impressed with that, though. I thought it was pretty good. There's a lot of complaints online about the driving experience, and I think that they're unfounded. I think that a lot of the people who are complaining, I like, took a long time to think about it. And I think a lot of the people who are complaining are young people who are

young people who don't have the old SUV nostalgia than I have. And then a lot of older people have. They never spent time in their parents Montero or Azuzu Rodeo or rode in a defender in Britain as a kid. And I think that those people are like, the driving is crap. And it's like, well, that's how it was. And that's some people long for that.

Just like how some people long for a manual transmission and a lot of other people are like, I don't know. Harry Metcalf, who also in like his review of it says that my friends involved with the company, even so, like the kindest thing he said about it, basically was that it's not finished. There were things that could be improved, but I liked it more than I. I expect seeing reviews like that, I went in to drive it and thought it was going to be trash.

And it was less, so you set your bar down here and it came here. I wouldn't buy one. Would you buy it over the defender? Absolutely not. Because the tech is better in the self-driving and all that stuff that I look for in a car. But I could understand why someone who really likes the old school SUV and thinks that today's are like too soft, too like daycare drop-off. It's appealing. You see them?

Yeah, they can't drop up. I know. And there's already two in my name. So just that exact purpose. Just super niche. Do you know why they called it the Grenadier? I do not. It was the bar they were in when they decided to build it.

God, that's not a joke. What a deep. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. Next question from Chin Tan. Would you suggest a Bentley Arnage, an $18,000 Bentley Arnage to a recent college graduate as a first car? Kenan, take it away.

I believe you have some. No. Okay, next question. No, unless you're mechanically inclined. I mean, like, the... Even then, the cars are relatively... But parts are very expensive. Like, sure, you could fix it yourself if you know what you're doing.

Parts are very expensive on this car, so I just wouldn't do it. Can I give a different opinion? If you were at a point in your life as a 22-year-old recent college garage, where you're doing okay otherwise, that's the only time you should buy it because the mistake won't impact your life quite as much. That's an interesting point. Later in life, no. I had someone tell me,

He was talking to a kid who was talking about his life and the kid was talking about cars and he was talking about like getting some boring Honda Civic type thing. And the guy told him you need a headache. That's what you need in your life. Like if you're if you're a recent college grad, you got a lot more time on your hands than any of us do. Maybe you got like a good job. You can pay for those parts. You don't need to save a retirement that year. It'd be a fun thing to say 25 years from now when you have kids in a Honda Odyssey.

Be like, hey, I had a Bentley or not. Assuming you have the money to invest in this in the time also. Yeah. Sure. And it will be a mistake. You will regret it. But you'll get interesting stories out of it. There is something to that.

There's something to that. However, it could also be a total nightmare and an absolute disaster and you learn a lesson. Yeah. It depends on how you need to learn. Do this. Now that it can't, I didn't do it. I still wouldn't do it. By the way.

Baller as hell, though, if you did. Can we talk about the first? Oh, could you imagine? No, I can't. Great taste, I have to say. Which Cadillac V car is the best? Easy. He thinks it's easy.

Easy. I'm ready. Can I tell you which is the least good? Yeah, let's do that next. Okay, you think the best is the 5V blackwing stick. Yes. Probably you're right. What about the V wagon?

Yeah. The V wagon is a really, really close second, but you had one. Remember that interior? Akintera. Is that what you call nice? People really hated that interior. I never hated it as much as everybody else. Let me tell you something.

The first CTSB, the first CTSB, that is a bad interior. But that interior was an insult to their customers. That interior was them being like, how much trash can we give these people and they will still buy it? Just keep shoving it down their throats. How bad can we make it? My wife, grand aunt has an early CTS. Not those three regular. It's bad.

And it still has 30,000 miles all these years later. That's so bad. I agree with you, Vee. Blackwing. I agree V-Blackwing. V-Wagon is a very close second. Very close second. V-Black, no. Wagon. V-Wagon. Okay, what is the worst? S-T-S-V.

No! No! That was great! What? Supercharged V-8, 440 horsepower, and they looked cool. It was subtle. Okay, what is the worst? CTSV-V-C-C-S-V-C-C-T-S-C-C-C-S-C-C-C-T-S-C-C-C-C-P looks. I think of its ear. The C-T-S-V might be the ugliest car if it's time. The coop? The Coop. Coupe, especially because the sedan

looked awesome. The wagon looked great. Wagon looked great. Coupe. What the hell? I'm not sure. It looks like a ski jump. It's like the rears like all pinched and like.

It doesn't make sense. Somehow. It's just, yeah, not. Yeah, I would wholeheartedly, we're lying on all about it. Do we like the XLR out of curiosity? Yeah. Yeah. The car is cool.

It was a Corvette for people who couldn't have a Corvette. Get in and out of a. Have you seen one recently? No. An XLR, regular or V? Either. I saw one in Los Angeles. Regular IC.

V, it's been forever. I don't think that they've aged well. No, yeah. But they're cool. But they're cool. But it's cool. It's so different from everything else. It's instantly recognizable as an XLR.

I stand by NIC. Cool. Not performancey enough. No, it was cool. The worst V is probably the V-Cube. An ATSB Auto, but that's still a good car. Those are still good cars. I was going to say, but it is a competent car.

Yeah. I agree with that. It just wasn't like an escalate V is. frankly one of the answer. No, that's in a weird way. Yeah, but that's cool. Yeah. It's gauche, but it's cool.

Okay. Last question. Last question. Last question. From Chris S. Ooh. In Concord, North Carolina. No, it doesn't say that.

I'm just assuming. How long before EVs become a thing for the larger U.S.? I think we're... I think we're there. I mean, I see... I mean, I guess you don't see... I don't know.

We're getting closer and closer. I saw them... I saw them all over... I saw them all over Texas. I see them all over Ohio. I see them everywhere. I guess I think I said this once that like once the range was 500 miles. Yeah.

When the range is over 500 miles. But like, I don't know. I don't think that people should need that range. Exactly. I don't think that that's the case. You're pulling up some stats here. I'm pulling up because he said he sees them all over Texas and Ohio and you decided I need to refute that.

The Model Y was the single best selling car in Washington, California, California, Nevada, Colorado, Virginia, Delaware, and D.C. And Maryland. Those are the coast. Right. Plus Colorado, which is effective. And Nevada. A bunch of coastal people have moved to Colorado.

Nevada, come on. The whole population of Nevada is in Las Vegas. But, you know, which are, they cling to the California border. They're all like, we hate California. Oh, by the way, if we walk 14 steps, we're in California. But you get the point. Like, we're nearing the point now where they're the top selling. car.

They're in the top, either the model three or the model Y is in the top 10 in a lot of states. We need better charging infrastructure still, and especially for non-Tesla. You see that Shell is going to convert a couple hundred, a couple thousand gas stations to EV chargers? I don't, we still got a ways,

and I think manufacturers are discovering this because their EVs are not selling. We're getting closer. You know what my problem is with the EVs? It takes a while that charge them. Yep. There is something, too, that. What's going on there?

It needs to improve more before I think they're everywhere. It is my problem. I've bought this new giant new SUV. Hybrid. And it's a hybrid. And people are like, why don't you get an R1S? And it's because I drive across the country. And I can't imagine doing that drive an electric car.

And people are like, but I did it in an electric car. Well, I do it faster than you. And that's not real. No. It's why our daily driver is not an electric car. We drive 500 miles distances frequently. That's a problem. it's a problem.

So that's the answer to this question is when that happens. I think we're so far away from that. If you're in the suburbs of Columbus, it doesn't matter. You're driving 10 miles. Or me in San Diego, honestly. Like,

I don't drive all that far. An electric car would be a good solution. And that would buy a nice I-5. The moment. You want to replace the M-Fi? The thing is it's always has to be, no. Yeah?

You probably those keys for my dead cold hands. You know why? Because it doesn't have a third pedal. I'm sticking with my M-5 because I love the third pedal. So I'm around here getting like 11 miles of the gallon. We want, Felipe's driving across across Arizona, you know, just chilling. I'm getting 30.

His use case is actually, right. I think it's going to be a long, long time. I think the middle of the country is no, nowhere near accepting. Yeah, I think that. I think that, yeah, plumbing this into their houses. I agree that, yeah, infrastructure-wise for the middle of the country. It's also become politicized,

and I think that's going to stop people from doing it, even though for a lot of people, it does make sense for their use case. I think we're a long... A long way from what? From, like, them being the majority car. Oh, sure. from them being 75%. But the average of a car is 11 years old.

Like, it's going to take a long time. No, the majority even of new cars. Yeah. I mean, Model Y is the most popular, but I guarantee even in those states, gas parked cars probably outside of electric. Yeah, yeah, for sure. No, I think it's an interesting question, but I think it's a long, a long, long way off still. There you go. Those are our questions.

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