THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Trump Killed the Electric Car, Doug’s Bid History, a Bentley for Dogs?

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

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And welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Filippo. And there's a lot to talk about. Let's start with the news. Ah, EVs. It must be Filippo Strik. Correct.

As part of the big, beautiful bill that passed the Senate and was signed by the president last week, the EV tax credit, which is $7,500. If you qualify, the car qualifies, and there's a used EV tax credit as well, will be phased out more quickly than expected. So it'll be done in September of this year. after that point, there will be no more EB tax credits. So if you want to lease a Model 3, if you want to lease a Ionic 5-Ed, if you want to lease a Mackey, it'll be notably more expensive because the federal government is not subsidizing it by $7,500. There is no EV tax credit at all.

No EV tax credit at all. Now, to be very precise, there are some credits that still apply to autumn manufacturers if they manufactured batteries in the U.S. If they opened plants that build batteries in the U.S., there's some tax credits for them, but there's no consumer-level tax credits. So the idea is at the federal level. I just don't understand how you can justify with we are sitting here knowing that other country, and we're going to get comments like, we don't need those EVs, you guys need to stick to, but like how do you justify what other countries are manufacturing high quality, top level vehicles and making inroads into global foreign markets where our automakers are sometimes number one,

like Ford in Latin America and in parts of Europe. And you see China coming in with these EVs that are so happy. subsidized by the government, how do you justify our government saying, peace out, we're done, we're going to just back off this. It's like a self-owned. The rationale that they would share is probably that if there is demand for these, you don't need to incentivize them, you don't need the federal government to intervene. But clearly a lot of EV adoption in the U.S. has been driven by there being large incentives

by that bringing the price down to competitive levels. Your point, I think is a valid one. I mean, there's incentives for so many things. people are complaining EVs, well, there's no EV incentive. We don't need EVs. If there was an incentive, if there wasn't an incentive, people would buy them. You know, like the government's putting the incentive on, and that's the only thing to make people buy it. Well, the government puts a massive incentive on buying a home, right?

You can deduct your mortgage interest. That's a huge government incentive. Do people take advantage of that? Does that artificially inflate property values? Probably. It's probably also generally good, at least for homeowners. In this case, this would be good for the American people, the American auto industry. It's a very head-in-the-sand approach.

It's a shame to do this because obviously the way that the automakers will respond is by presumably not putting as much R&D into electric cars because the market won't demand them in the short term, but in the long-term, other countries will, realizing that this is obviously the future. I think even the Republicans would probably agree about that. In the long term, the other automakers will then be way ahead. And when it does finally come time for the American brands to come back into the old EV,

world, we're already going to be way behind. I, you know, it's, it's, it's unfortunate. The government incentivizes a lot of stuff in order to get it off the ground before the public is ready. And once the public then gets there, then we already have a built up industry. Anyway, I'm just, I know it's a little bit of a political story, but I'm disappointed by it. I'm not an EV guy.

I've never owned one. I'm not that into them. But, but they serve a massive purpose. I mean, you see how many model 3s and Model Y is getting sold. They're great commuters. They're great point A to point B boring. Easy cars. They're fantastic for that.

And so I guess the question then is, if this de-incentivizes major manufacturers to stop developing these cars, what does that do for companies that only produce? Yeah, we can't foretell the future. There's a lot of analysts, kind of like stock analysts, that do expect that this will help Tesla, Rivian, Lucid. Companies that will have to continue to invest in that to live. There's also a question, though, can those companies survive?

Can they survive? Have you been on Tesla's website? Kenan, go to Tesla's website right now. Have you seen this? Yeah. Tesla's website right now has a massive banner at the top. The biggest, the biggest, like, banner I have ever seen on Tesla's website. It is most of the list.

$500 federal tax credit ending. Come get your car. Yep. Now, some of the really expensive EVs have already not qualified, right? Part of the Inflation Reduction Act that the Biden administration passed limited what price, like, changed the cap for prices. And benefits of the car, you need to be. built in the U.S. with some U.S. componentry. So some of the, especially the higher-end EVs, don't have not been receiving a tax credit. So maybe that means that Rivian, Lucid, are a little bit less

impacted. Yeah. But nonetheless, it's an interesting thing. To be honest, I think we should probably be going in the other direction. I think we should probably be forcing automakers more and more to figure out new, then better technologies so that they can compete on the global scale. You know, America is not the only country anymore, and it's not even the largest market. You laugh, but for a long time, America was like the car market. You know, like if you could succeed in America, you were a global automaker. And now Asia exists and, you know, these other developing markets will start to be invaded essentially by Chinese brands because American brands aren't up to their standards. And that's partially because of decisions like this.

Anyway, that's just my take. It's, I'm not only V-Person myself. I got a V-10, V-12, Kenon. You got a charge port ready to go in your garage. You're ready to make that switch when it happens. Yeah, but I'm, you know, I'm not like jumping out there to buy an EV. They got to come to me with a Mercedes wagon first. There it is.

That's right. All right. Give us our next news story, please. Ah, yes. Oh, more EVs. Speaking of EVs. Filippo, do you want to talk about this? Yeah, I mean, Slay is, I said this when Slate announced their premise, which was

a new car that is under 20 grand. That was driven by a $75,000 tax credit. That's gone. Period. The slate will not be out before then, obviously. That's gone. So that's now a $27,500 truck in the pricing that they announced when they launched as a publicity stunt. Right. That's not an appealing U-Car price. That's not like a cheap vehicle anymore. No, the Maverick starts at 27 and has four doors. And more than 180 miles range and, you know, history behind it, let's say. They're gone. I mean, it's tough. I think that's completely right.

And requires no infrastructure in order to, you know, charge it at home. Or add speakers, you know, things like that. So here's a question. Is Slate, I mean, is it over? Like I noticed they've changed their website to say that it starts in the mid-20s now. Because the $20,000 thing was like their big selling point. Is it over? Like, is it over over?

No, probably. Are people still interested in this? A lot can happen between now and the end of the end of the, 2026 or whenever they said the first ones were going to come out. They hope certainly that people would be interested in them. But man, that pricing does not work in their favor anymore. Yeah. Are you interested? No.

I wasn't interested before, but I'm certainly not interested now that there's something like one. But you went to their event. I know. It didn't sway you? No, I figured it wouldn't. Pellip doesn't get swayed by things like that, although he happily would consume it. So that's it.

That's it for Slate. We all are, are we sitting, all here sitting, predicting their demise? I mean, Felipeo basically just did. It's hard to have a demise when you haven't done anything yet. You know what I mean? They have some pretty serious backers, though. You have to assume they will come to market. I think they'll come to market.

I think there's a chance that it becomes like a cult hit. I think there's a chance that by the time it comes to market, there's other incentives at play that mean that it can be interesting again. You got to assume there will again be – I just want to this rant about killing the EV Tech credit is a mistake, but you got to assume the Democrats get back in the power of such a thing as ever possible again. they'll probably put another EV tag or even a split

a more moderate Congress would probably do it too, recognizing some of the stuff that I was just talking about. I wouldn't be surprised if they push launch if they decide to wait until there is a more supportive climate for that.

I wouldn't be surprised if they change some of their packaging to add options back in that they had planned to be options to try to make that price point more worth it. I will say that if your car is kind of lives and dies by the political winds.

You know, it's not really, you know, the Mustang's been going since 64 and a half. And that's electric. It went through Vietnam. It went through the Gulf. It went through 9-11. Here it go. Yeah, now it's an electric SUV. So, you know, it's great.

It's doing great. So anyway, Slate, this isn't even a news story. Like, this is only a news story in the sense that things have changed for them. Like, there's no news about it. But it is interesting to speculate on what happens. there. Yeah. Especially after all the hoopla and hype,

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All right. What's our next new story, Kenner. What do you have? Oh, I get to keep talking about EVs. What a day for me. I was gone for a week and I get to talk about EVs just the entire day today. That's great. Hang in there.

There's a Ferrari story later on. Just keep going. Rivian finally announced the R1T and R1S the wheel on you was coming, which is the quad motor R1T R1S. Have you heard about this? I have. Do you have how much power this puts out? It's got to be a thousand something, right?

Yeah, it's a 1,025 horsepower, 1198 pound feet of torque from a motor in each wheel. That's insane. 2.5 seconds here at 60 time. It's insane, but it's not surprising anymore. No, everything that comes out that's new in EV. is a thousand horsepower, it feels like. And back in my day, and, you know, Doug recalls the Veyronia,

a thousand horsepower was like, oh my God, and now it's like, yeah. Yeah. But it also, I mean, 2.5 seconds here to 60. I will say, Jason Camisa over at Haggurdy had a phenomenal drag race video with this and a lucid gravity and a McCannie v. Turbo

and a couple other cars. Is this a truck included? No. But just the speed off the line that the R1S that they tested had, just wild to watch. It's limited to 130. and at the quarter mile it should be past 130, so that slows it down, but insane.

Oh, really? Yeah, a couple of other quick things. What did it run the quarter in? I don't remember from the video you have to look, but I think it's a 10.5 second quarter mile. It's running a 10, but it's top speed limit. Yeah, it could be a little faster. Hey, Kenan, you make it such an interesting point.

I remember when I was a kid, it was generally agreed that, like, the super cars of today will be the, like, the normal cars of like 20 years. And that was, that was, you could see happening like the Ferrari 308 like by the time I was a kid the Camry was that fast and it was like okay that will happen and you could imagine it and I was like then the Veyron came out and I was like well that'll never happen again and no no I did it actually did happen again the suit you know 20 years later here we are a pickup truck that you're going to be able to buy on cars and bids for

$47,000 in about 40 years it has more power than a Veyron so where does it go from here or does it go anywhere from here because it's a I mean there's almost some it goes it goes to fish tanks. I'm serious. No, this sounds insane. Plipo's looking at me like my dog does when I'm holding a tree. But here's my thinking. Power is done.

The next frontier is weird quirks. So the gear tunnel like that truck has and fish tanks and any other thing that we can throw in these vehicles to make them stand out. power is no longer going to make vehicles stand out. Acceleration is only going to make things vehicle stand out. An indoor basketball court would make a vehicle stand out. That's not as insane as it's out.

The Chinese are on to us. Their cars are jumping. Their cars can float. You know, I mean, you've got a point. This is a field day for you. Talk about job security. That's right. It is a field day for me.

But I legit think that, like, the cars of the future will no longer be distinguished by power trainer performance. They will be distinguished by what, like, amenities they offer. And yes, that's such a good point. The Chinese have already figured this out. I'm over here like I'm groundbreaking, but no, I'm not. The Chinese, once again, the Chinese beat me to it, probably because I have no tax credit personally.

That's where I was. I had a tax credit to ideate. If they paid, if they gave me, like, money off my taxes to just sit and think, I would have thought of this. A couple of other things on the R1S and R1T quad motor to get back on track. R1T is about 118K, including destination. R1S is 124-ish with destination. It now has tank turn.

It can do the same tank turn that the G-Wagon can do, et cetera, which is exciting. Yes. Apparently off-road capability as good as you'd expect from Rivians, which is incredibly good. Motor in each wheel means that there's a lot of controllability, which is cool. And no driveline in the middle. By the way, tank turn is an example of a fish tank. True. That's a fish tank as a category.

Yeah. It's a fish tank. A fish tank turn, in fact. Nice. Thank you. A couple of other things. It is. It is.

It is a gimmick that, like, is something they can offer. Yep. Rivian has also announced that coming out in September, there'll be a bunch of new customizability on all of their new R1S and RNT, so you can change every single setting of each motor, the suspension, et cetera, which will be interesting. And the last thing I want to mention is something that we talked about a few weeks ago, which is that there's only like two ways to identify the R1S you're seeing as a quad motor and has a thousand whatever horsepower. And that is blue brake calipers and a slightly different badge. That is it. They are missing so many opportunities to make the fact that they have a thousand, 25 horsepower, 1,200-pound fuel-to-torque SUV, and instead they have a slightly different badge that says quad in tiny letters and blue brake calibers. You know, I find this, this is an interesting segue into a topic we should have covered

a while ago, which is in today's world of excess and showmanship and things, and being okay kind of to be showy, where there are so many people overtly wearing brands and building bigger houses and bigger yachts and like this is a thing private planes it's weird to me that several cars have done this recently it's not just trivial the regular wrangler no the ranger 392 is basically impossible to tell apart from a regular wrangler the defender octa is basically impossible to tell apart but but i mean we're talking this ain't a raptor you know like i assumed they would make a raptor with fenders and graphics and wheels and it really didn't this is another example we always talk about how lucid is like this we took tesla with the plaid badge that you can

eBay. It's kind of interesting. Why aren't they do like it's it's cheaper to manufacture of course, but the whole thing has always been you want people to, you know, they look like they spent more and they want to brag to their neighbors. Right. And so many performance brands have done this in the past. I mean, like the cars of modern air where it was largely a body kit, you upgrade stuff, but like you, it is visually instantly definable. It is a weird thing to like let go by the wayside. It just is looking for it. Flip side to that, if you're Swiss and don't want anybody to know, you have the expensive one. Success. You're already good. You're already good.

You don't even have a debadge. Yep. Yeah, well, not many of us are Swiss. Sadly. Thank God. No, I'm kidding. I love the Swiss. For a long time, I hated the Swiss, and then I realized I was just jealous. Yep. Okay, move on to the next news story, which is our most important news story, the Nürberg-Ring crash. Oh, it's this. Let's talk about the Nuremberg.

One is Nürbergring crash. Okay, there was a crash of the Nureberg. Filippo, did you see the video? I did. You're going to play it? Oh my God, okay. The Porsche comes in here and then bam! Gets whacked by this M2.

Yeah. Boom. Bam! Now that is a serious impact. Both drivers were okay, shockingly. That's, first of all, testament to modern cars. I think that's the talking point more than anything. Like, they walked away.

15 years ago, like this, I don't know. I don't know that you would have walked away. Watch this again. Now, I want to stress a couple of hours. I want to stress a couple of things. At the Nureberg ring, you must pass on the left like it's a freeway. That's the rule. And the Porta was doing that.

Something that nobody's talking about about this crash is that the BMW was from the UK. It has British license plates. And so the driver was on the other side of the car. So the Porsche was coming into a blind spot. Now, when you're on the racetrack like this, you should be very aware of where everybody is at any point. However, I have a suspicion that that played a little bit of a role. It's a serious, serious accident. They have these tourist days at the Nureberg ring.

This happened during a tourist day. You're not supposed to go flat out during a tourist day. You're supposed to just kind of go. And so a lot of people are putting some of the blame on the Porsche driver because that was a somewhat risky pass. That would have been a very acceptable pass in a race. But in a tourist day where you're passing just a guy who drove in from the UK, it's a little sketchy. Nonetheless, to me it looks like the BMW probably should have been aware, especially because there's a longer in-car video over the Porsche where the Porsche is on the BMW's tail for turn after turn. and it's really clear that the porch is ready to pass.

And if you know anything about cars as the driver of a W.M2 driving at the Nurebergring would, you know that your car is slower. Nonetheless, crazy stuff. But yes, I think the big story here is what, I mean, the front end of the Porsche came off, like off. There was a fire. Yeah, it ruptured the fuel tank. There was an instant fire. I mean, it was in the air like this.

Like, it was traveling, you know, on a plane, 180 degrees, like you normally would. And then it was 90 degrees to the ground. And then it was 90 degrees to this. the ground. And so like that's, you know, that's wild. That's wild stuff. And then to be okay, I mean, I presume these guys are wearing helmets, but they probably don't have roll cages. These are just cars, you know. And to be fair, like the passenger compartment is impressively intact in both. Modern engineering. Every time I see an accident with a high speed accident with a modern car on a dash cam or whatever, I'm always astonished by the crumple zones. They really do a great job of

keeping the passenger compartment intact. It's really amazing. Especially impressive. because this was real speed. I mean, in that video, the 911 was doing about 200 kilometers an hour. Yeah. Real, real speed. There's not crash testing at that speed. And you know also that.

I mean, these were both relatively light vehicles, which helped them both. The amount of just energy in that crash is crazy. Insane. You're right that there's not crash testing at that speed. And frankly, the automakers are not really incentivized to create a safe car at that speed. I mean, a safe car in theory is safe in all.

But like the automakers don't, if someone's going 130 miles an hour and they die in the car, the automakers like, well, but here we go. So, Kenan, let me ask you this. Does this make you scared to drive the Nureberg ring and or want a GT3RS? Well, GT3S is a wonderful car. I don't know what I would use fun for. It's a little bit too extreme for me. I do want to go to the Nuremberg ring and drive around it.

I'm just genuinely still terrified to do so even as a tourist. Like not just for reasons like this, but I just don't want to be. People's way, which I inevitably will be. I would do the ring taxi thing is still what I think I would do and have some, a professional scare me in an M5. I think that would be great. You would be in people's way, but like if you watch those ring videos and sometimes I get into it, people, people are in people's way.

I mean, there's people who drive, you know, Volkswagen polos and just kind of do it. And nobody's a timing on a tourist day. No, I think everybody has to do it and then you earn the right to have the sticker on something I would ever put on the car, of course. But I think that I think it would be, it would be fun. I'll do it at some stage. Have you done it, though? You've done it, haven't you?

Have you driven the nerve? No, I'm not a big, like, track driving motorsports guy. I would love to do it. It's also not tremendously convenient to the places that I like to vacation in Europe. And when I travel, I usually don't make cars like a component of my vacation. My last vehicle when I was in Europe that I rented was a Mercedes V-220D, which I crashed. So probably not a great start for you then if crashing happened off the track to begin with.

Right, right, right. But I think it would be cool. I think it would definitely be interesting. And Kenan, I think that you should do it and report back. Aren't you going to Europe here in the next couple of weeks? I am. We can talk about it a little bit more. I plan to you in the talk car segment when we get there.

But yes, I am going to Europe very soon. I'll be doing it a lot of driving. We got Kenan's Europe trip coming up, folks. All right, give us our next news story. That's chaos. Ah, yes, the Bentley EXP 15. So this is a concept that Bentley recently released that is, again, underscoring concept. Now, they have an EV that's coming out next year, and this allegedly will have some tie into that car.

But there are a couple of things to note about it. One of them is that this car, one thing I think is it retains this huge, slabby grill and front end. That's an EV, which means it doesn't need a grill. No. But Bentley decided it as a styling thing. They wanted to keep this quote to retain to create a piece. of digital art. That has how they described this front grill.

But the thing is that are weird about this concept and why it's clearly a concept is it only has three seats. Despite being, when they showed pictures of it, they had it next to a 1930 Bentley speed six, which is a massive car. And they had it next to that. And then you look at it and it's like, oh, it seats three people. And there's a spot to put your dog. Wait, what? Which is fit.

That's right. Wait. Yes. Excuse me? You may be excused. So instead of having a fourth seat, being a British car, I'll pull up a picture of it. So instead of having another seat,

so this, you see? Your dog. It's a dog. Look, it's a concept car and their concept car photos. But you have to assume that this portends the direction that Bentley design will go. It seems to. It seems to.

A hot take, a Sean-style hot take right here. I like it. You like it. I'll tell you why I like it. it. I'll tell you I like it. Go to a picture of the current generation Cottonedal GT. Yeah, I mean Go to the new, type in

new Cottonedal G2. He's not going to find the new one. He's going to find the old one good as well. Okay, so that's the new Continental GT, right? Great. All right. Now, go to go find a picture of the 2019 Cottonedal GT. Are you going to make him go through every single six years? Because you got a ways to go. No, no, no, no, no. There's only four generations somehow. 2019 Catinel GT. You got that. pull up okay now go to see a picture of the 2013

continental gc even i can pick up on a pattern here it's going to make a lot more sense in post all right 2013 continental gtgc okay now go to a picture of the 2007 continental gtreece you know they needed a new direction i agree yeah at the end of the day I think this thing the concept car thing

is kind of heinous but like this is they've been iterating this car came out in 2003 we'll like to point out there's one more Consonential you're missing. What? The Flankspur? There's a 1997 consonantal. Well, okay, but you're missing the point I'm making.

I know the point you're making, but I love it. They do iterate occasionally, since they haven't in 20 years. Here's the thing. I agree that you need a new design language. And I actually do like that it has more presence than the content. Those are the same. Yeah. The new one has more presence, which we talk about like Rolls-Royce values kind of holding

because there's such road presence. in their design. This has that. It also looks, I think, like what the Jaguar T's design looks like. It does look like that. And it has Astor Martin Tailights,

and it's weird. It's weird. I don't know. It is interesting. If this is the direction Bentley goes, it is kind of back to the more square, boxy, stately fire your dad look of the Arnage and the original continental. But.

Cars that we love, cars that we love, the Brooklyn's. I mean, this has Brooklyn's vibes. This has Brooklyn's vibes. Yep, especially, you could picture. Yeah, I can see it. So, I don't know. I mean, it's a concept that this might not factor into it at all in the end.

Who knows? There's also a very modern interior in the prototype or in the pictures that they've shown. It looks kind of cool. The dog picture. Yeah, that picture has a very modern interior, like huge screen and cool stuff. I'm going to say, in the world of three-seater British cars, you know, which is this and the T-50. The T-50 can't store a dog.

So there's that. There's another one, which is the Speedtail. And I'll tell you something, they're all illegal in the U.S., including this, because of airbag regulations. Wow. The rear seats need to have an airbag. Like, there's a certain number of inches from the seat that the airbag has to be. And this would not be allowed to the U.S. Not that it will because it's a concept car, but I do think it, as Felipe says, portends, or perhaps the means behooves.

The future of Bentley design. And you know what? I'm ready for a radical change. It's been too iterative. Too iterative. We need something to come in and fire your dad. All right, give us the next news. Is there another one?

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Ferrari has said that they're going to build one more. They build 59. 599 examples for the world, officially, 59. We'll see if that remains true. And they're going to build one more, the 600 of 599. and this one isn't going to a customer directly is going to auction. They're auctioning it off for charity.

All the proceeds are going to one of Ferrari's charities. So this is the easiest way if you want a brand new SP3 Daytona to get it because nobody could get an allocation for that car. It was impossible to come by. And Ferrari said, this is it. That is the unfortunate thing.

It does have to look like this. And for our audio listeners, it is half yellow, half exposed carbon fiber. And it says, in case you didn't know it was a Ferrari, it has Ferrari script on the hood, but it says F-E-R, part of another R, and then cabin, and then on the back it finishes the rest of it, which I think is amazing.

But don't worry, it doesn't end there. It comes with a bunch of accessories. They're giving you all the new car stuff, but it also comes with something. It comes with a carbon handbag. They're calling the Marinello clutch. Oh, wow. I always related that to a sound,

because in a Maranella clutch, you go, as it wears out the clutches, you shift gears. But no, this is a bag. 5-7-5-Marinello clutch. is that. But this, it's just, it's just outrageous. Yeah, if you're an audio listener, he said it's half yellow and half green. I want to point out, the

half of the right and left. It's not like the front and back. The driver, you know, and I think they're making a commentary there because Ferrari's all about the driver and so the driver's side is all bare carbon and aggressive. And the other side paint it. I don't carbon on one side. Bare carbon, yes. I don't hate it.

Yeah, it doesn't, you don't hate it. Is that what people who only think this car is yellow? Yeah. And there are other people who only think it's... I don't see it driving down the road. And then there people

see it from above, and those people get the real show. They go fur... They don't know that it's a fur... I originally don't think it looks that bad. I don't think the SP3 is a particularly attractive automobile, so this doesn't hurt it. Dude, if they made the SP3 of the stick,

I would never even think about the F40 ever again. All my thoughts would be about the SP3. So the... Correct me from wrong, because this is not my world, but a 500 is La Ferrari. sold for something like $7 million at the time, which was five times the original MSRP. Do you expect this to go for five times, whatever the SP3? I think the MSRP to the SP3 is about $2 million.

Is it a $10 million car? I don't know about, I mean, maybe. It's going to be very identifiable. Easiest way to get one, but also it costs five extra. No, I bet you it is $10 million. First off, it's probably a right off. It's a charity auction. It's probably a right off.

I don't know how they do their charity auctions, but you can never really trust results from charity auctions because a lot of the time it's a tax deduction for the person who's buying the good. Because usually what it is is you pay the full value of the good, $2 million, and then you can write off the amount of money. I'm not sure how that'll work and it's Italy and who knows, but that's often

how these things go. Second, the last of these cars is always really special. The final Enzo, which was given to the Pope and then auctioned for tsunami relief victims is still a famous car. Like the last of breed is like still the last. And the SB3 is the greatest part. They've made since the F-50. So it has

some value too. Yeah. I suppose. It is a shame it looks like that, but that's just how it is. But nonetheless, that is the end of the SB3 Daytona. I hope they still make some NA 12-sler stuff. It seems unlikely given that the F-80 is going to be

a turbo-hybrid V6, but nonetheless, SB3 Daytona. Well, I think they will still make 12-cylinder stuff because they actually currently just came out with a new car called the 12 cylindery that has 12-cylind. Well, Yes, but my limited edition, crazy stuff like this. Like, I hope that that continues to be something.

I bet it will. And I think they should. I bet it will. Okay, we need to move on to the talk car segment, which is when we talk about cars. Now, you've been thinking, we've been talking about cars. No, no, we talk about cars differently. Yeah. And this segment is brought to you by Cars and Bids, which is the finest place on the Internet.

Yep. Done. Period. No other qualifiers. And offense. Yeah. I want to talk about Kennan's Europe. road trip. Kenan, tell us about this.

Yes, so I am going to Europe. A friend of mine, Luke is getting married in France. His wife's family is, a soon-to-be-wife's family, is mostly from there. So all my friends and I are getting together and descending upon Europe to go to the wedding. And I am turning it into a very much a grand tour. So I'm flying into Frankfurt, spending a day there, picking up a car, then driving to Paris, spending a couple days there, then down to LaMoge, where the wedding is, then to the south of France. Spending a little time in Monaco. Doug tells me I shouldn't waste my time there, but I've never been to Monaco and I want to see super cars.

Stradman was there. You got to be there. I take it back. I take it back. I mean, I don't think I'll ever go again, but I was, I watched, I made a video. I watched your video, yeah. You watched that car spotting and Monaco video. I watched that video again like a couple weeks ago, God knows why.

And I'm like, oh my God, I used to see. It was so crazy. I will say I did that before there were car spotter kids running around or everywhere. And I'm told that now it's like pretty intense. Like there's just kids with cameras like, everywhere. Any part of that video, there's crazy stuff driving by. It's like a wild video. Watch.

Yeah, I mean, 4-5A was new at that. I mean, it is an un... Yeah, for those of you who can't see, go back and watch it. Like, every part of this video, I was watching this like jaw dropped. I couldn't, I didn't remember that it was quite as insane as it was. Oh, my goodness. It was insane. 177. I mean, that is nuts. Now, granted, I am expecting it to mostly be brand new stuff

because this was new stuff at the time when you did. The Vanquish wasn't on the drove on. You will see some older stuff. You'll see some older stuff, but I am very excited. I also do want to kind of go, oh, 612. I want to go kind of wander around and like, you know, parking garage. I want to go do the Monaco thing. I'm staying not far from there.

I'm staying there for a little, wow. I'm staying there for a little while. Then I'm going on, dropping my friends off there flying back to the United States. And then I continue by myself. I'm going along the Riviera and then up into Italy and staying at Lake Como. And then I'm going through Switzerland, do it to Lichtenstein, because I want that. passport stamp as one of the weird There will not be a passport stamp, if you recognize that, right?

They do stamp it there because it's a tourist thing. They know that's how people go. You have it too? You go to the tourist office and they stand before you're like real. Whatever. It's worth it to me. It is real. I was there.

I walked into the tourist office. There was one group ahead of me and they were riding on motorcycles from Iceland with Iceland plates. That's what I'm hoping. That's the sort of stuff I'm looking to find. And then from there, I'm going to Stuttgart. I'm going to the Mercedes-Benz Museum and the Porsche Museum. I'm staying very close to the Porsche, which I'm very excited about.

And then from there, I'm doing the big thing for me. One week after my friend is married is the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa, and I'm going to spa. I have seats at the base of Erooge. So as a Formula One fan, I'm there for three days. Get this video out of here. It's distract. It'll distract. It's Filippo's distracted already.

And if I'm distracted, every viewer is too. Yes. So you're going to Formula One. Like, you're going to see Vettel or whoever. If he's there, because he's not driving, if he's there in a different, capacity. I'd love to see him. But yes, I'm going to go see Formula One at my favorite race track. The Belgian Grand Prix is my favorite race. Every single year's spot is my favorite circuit. And so to be there as like, it'll be a life-changing thing. I'm staying pretty close to the track too, which is awesome.

I'm there for all three days. And it's unbelievably inexpensive to do this, by the way. If these larger legacy circuits get a big deal from Formula One, the amount they have to kick up to the sport basically is substantially low. than other circuits like the newest ones in the United States that are owned by the sport itself. And so the tickets are not expensive. I think I paid 500 euros for the whole three days. Wow. Whereas like I'm also going to the Mexican Grand Prix in the fall and that was 500 euros for just Sunday or $500 for just Sunday. So it seems like a deal to me if you can get there, of course.

Like the cost is incurred getting there. But nonetheless, it should be quite a trip. I'm gone for a while. So I will not be on the next couple of podcasts, which makes me sad. Wait, you're leaving, this is your last pod? This is my last pod for a couple of weeks. Gone. And then I'll be back in regalia with stories of Europe.

But we're going to lose Kennan. We're going to lose Kennan. I'm sure a crazy nickel fill in. Crazy Nick. You're going to be driving around Europe, going to Monaco. You'd be driving an M5 around Monaco. Damn. Well, it's going to be, it'll be exciting.

I can't wait to go. And it'll be a great job. I haven't been back to Europe in a very long time. So I'm really excited. I'm excited to see some very small European cars for you. Please take some photos. And I'll take some pictures of stuff. stuff for you and I'll send it

and I'll submit it as a question. Please do. Please enjoy Italy especially, which is the best country. I wish it could be longer. I'll last. I'm excited for you to see from the winners. Kenneth, remember two things.

You can go as fast as you want in Italy. However, and there's no exceptions to that. In Germany, it's only when the lines are through the thing. I don't know if you know the symbol, but I know the symbol. In Switzerland, do not even go one mile an hour above this beam. I'm not

screwing through. Your friend will be arrested the next time he even thinks about I plan to set this the speed governor below the speed limit to set the cruise control below there. It will be the smoothest roads you've ever been on. That I am that are empty. I'm excited for like the

you know, Switzerland is a country I wish I spent more time into. I don't have any time to do watch stuff unfortunately but that's how it goes. Well, what a shame. What a damn shame, I'll tell you. Lichtenstein Beckins, you know. Let's just sign back. Yeah. Yeah. You know, hey, when I

was in Lichtenstein, I saw a G-Cab. Oh, I'll keep an eye open for it. And they have the best license plates in all of Europe. So there's some things going for it. Yeah. I actually thought that's a very cute little city. And I think you will enjoy your trip. And I'm very sad that you're going to be leaving us.

But it sounds like it'll be magical. I think it will be. It'll be a fun trip. And I haven't done a trip like this in a very long time. So we found a proper grand tour. I'm excited of his story. Why is not coming with you? I didn't say she wasn't.

Oh. Wow. She has, but, yeah, her M3 CRT doesn't get the best fuel economies. All right. Lefo, you got some topics for us, but they're not very interesting except for the A-Barth. Let's talk about the A-Barth. Yeah, I have a FFF under Barth Cabrily. I've had it for two and a half years.

I've put not very many miles on it. It's been reliable fully. It's never needed anything. It's never gone or anything. And very soon it's going to be on cars and bids. Wow. How are you going to disclose the? the poor way it would treat the car.

Like, what is your plan? I do have a plan, which is, there's going to be a video where I go through every single flaw. I learned of a flaw two weeks ago. Well, that's real. When I was, when I was driving with some friends and they pointed out some flaws with the car that I can't see. You're not going to be able to capture all the flaws. I'm going to try. I'm going to be a 20-minute long video, and it's going to be every single flaw that I can think of.

We have some language we used to disclose cars that are particularly rough. I don't think your car is rough enough to qualify for that. It's a bitterest responsibility. to review the photo gallery. Do the deal with it's part of placing a badge. Yeah. I'm familiar. No, the car's been great.

It has been legitimately flawless in that it's never had a single mechanical issue that astramid in any way. It's gone just oil changes. It has been legitimately reliable. I just am no longer like enjoying the experience so much. I've had two and a half years, driven around a bunch. And I presume you're not enjoying the GTI either. No, I do like the GTI.

The GTI is excellent. I'm on this side of the GTI. There's a part of me, and my wife wants me to do this, which is I should sell it, and we don't have kids, and now is the time to have, like, a sports car. NSX? No, maybe. There's another part of me that's, like, the GTI's great. And my wife has said that she loves that car, and it's her favorite car that we've ever owned. Are you, do you ever get tired of standing in your own way?

Does that, does that ever? No, I'm going to be honest, I don't put that much thought towards this. Do your knees hurt? What's that? I don't put that much thought. towards this. This car's so good. But, Felipe, don't you want for once in your life to do

something raw? Like, Kenan... But no. Kenan just told us he's going on a European road trip in an M5. He's going to Paris, God knows why, and various other good places. And he's going to be

driving around Europe, shifting gears, going 160 miles an hour on the Autobahn until the oil pan destroys itself. And he's going to have a blast. He's going to spa front or chomps. That's how we pronounce it. And you're over here.

Well, I'm not sure. I am. What can I say? I'm going to sell one hatchback and keep another hatchback. Kenon is grabbed life by the horrid. Well, I have a confession to me. So I was supposed to do this in an E39M5. Oh my God, you're not?

You're doing it in an Opel Corsa? I thought, well, that was available. But no, I think I'm going to have to end up. So he's having worked done to the car. It's not going to be quite ready and time. And he's having a child. And he's moving shops, and he's got, like, a lot of stuff going on. And he's had two cars that were borrowed by friends that were destroyed.

By the other friends? By the friends? Yes. And so, like, and I don't want to do that to him because I like him a lot. What's the car? What's the car? So, I don't know. It's either going to be an X3M50I. From where?

From six. No, you need a bad, small hatchback with a steak. No, I want a good, comfortable. No, you don't. You don't. You need a, an oak horse or similar. I'm doing thousands of kilometers. It doesn't matter.

That's what we do every time we go to Italy. You need a European small car. I'm going to nine countries, for Livo. That's like going from, that's like people in the Northeast that say they've been to 17 states because they drove three hours. Doesn't count. You need a small European hatchback with a manual. You just do. I can't believe this isn't happening with a 3-9 and 5.

I was going to surprise my friend Luke and have it there who listens to the podcast. But unfortunately, it just didn't quite work out timing-wise. Kenan, just as I was over here telling Felipe to grab life by the horns, you've... Well, I wanted it to. It was my fault. I should have better coordinated with him. I was like, whether there's servicing stuff like that

or detailing stuff that just didn't quite get done in time. Sounds like he's bailing on you. One, to be honest with you, to drive that car around Europe, especially into Paris or anywhere in Italy makes me nervous. It's a very special car that belongs to someone who is very special to. And so like...

A small European hatchback. I don't... I'm not doing that. I don't want to do a... I don't really agree with Filippo, but I do think that. But it makes sense. I mean, it is a little sketchy to drive a car that you care about that far in places you're unfamiliar with, on roads you're unfamiliar with, in countries that have different rules.

I mean, I truly, I almost always end up having some sort of damage on cars when I go to Europe. How? It doesn't matter. Because I'm not careful. Right. And the thing is, Philippo, I don't want to be careful. Because that's kind of the benefit of it, right? Like if you rent a car and get the insurance and all that, you don't have to think,

oh, I can't fit there. I got to, and then you're next to your seven miles outside the city center walking back in. Exactly. Ultimately, like, if I need to swap this car out in a major city, if something goes wrong, it's easy to from a rental company. If something goes wrong, you need 39M5 and I have to ship it from Monaco to Frankfurt. That sucks. That's not great.

So I've certainly thought about that. Now, it is still my dream to drive my own car in Europe, and that was kind of the point that that threatened was making. He loves letting, you know, friends of his borrow these cars so they can experience what it's like to, you go on the Audubon and E39 and 5. But at the same time, like, it's just a really, really long journey. I do still dream of buying a car in Europe and driving it around, though. Like, buying a 550 Maranella and driving it around for, like, in Italy would be unbelievably cool. And a Euro market one that's less expensive.

So I don't know. We'll see. The dream lives on, but for now I'm going to go experience Europe. Well, regardless, either way, Kennan is grabbing life by the horns more than Filippo. An X3M, what did you say? 50I. Is that even a V? It does indeed.

I didn't realize either. I had one. My review on it's coming up. I had one in the office. That was an X3M50. It's actually a pretty quick car. It's just, it's no end.

It's no E395, you know? No, of course not. I don't expect it. We're all open. Hey, you know what? It happens every time. Every time I go to Europe, I think I want to rent something cool. And then I end up in a V220D and I scrape the driver's side door on a parking curb.

I really assume it was a passenger side because that makes way more sense. But okay. Yeah, yeah. It was the passenger side, actually. Okay. but I've done drivers too. If you're a fan of cool cars, IMSA racing, and this podcast,

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And in fact, currently we have a little game going on with my children where I've offered them a prize if they can find the power mirror switch, which was removed by my dog when he jumped over the center console, and one of his many times that he's jumped over the center console coming off of the sand. The power wooden mirror switch still missing. The top is having trouble going up and down, not because it has an issue, but because the switch for the top

has gotten so much sand inside of it that it won't depress fully. So when you push it to close the top, it can't go down all the way. So you end up having to lift up the... I have sand in places in the car. Here's another one. Every time the top comes back on,

sand is dumped on your head. I don't even know how it's possible that there's still sand. in the top, because, you know, it sits like this. So sand gets in it, and then it goes like this, and then sand like pushes down into your, in your face. It also hasn't rained here in weeks and weeks and weeks. And so the car is dirtier than on the outside than I've ever seen before, ever. What do you think?

Well, like as Tavarish knows, you can never fully get rid of sand. You can hear us. I knew that. But, I mean, so let me ask you, the defender was kind of built for this. It was built to get dirty, built to get. The leather, by the way, that's the other thing. The leather is destroyed. I got like maybe one more summer of leather.

You know what you should have it redone in neoprene or something like that. Can I ask you a question? What is Kevin going to charge me to do this, to get this car? How much you got? I've also driven through tidal ponds. Oh, cool. Tidal ponds is brackish, it's salt water. Yeah.

It must be, the underside of that thing must be getting rusty. Oh, we treated it. We trade. Oh, good. You're good. You're good. I'm glad you're using the vehicle as intended. I am too, to be honest with you.

That was the intent. No, no other convertible G-Wagon has ever been on sand, first of all. Yeah. Or used by children. Do you think it's, you think Kevin's going to charge me a thousand? Kevin's going to charge me $1,000. I think that's light. Yeah.

I mean, he's got to vacuum out the top switch. And he's got to put the top up and, like, put it. He's got a clean inside where it's, I mean, you've got a lot of sand in there. is from last year. In fact, the Sunvisor mirrors are filled in the same thing. I've never understood quite why, but they always have been. It's not always, only since last summer. And so I think that's, I don't need him to fix that. I just, I'm good there. It's so peaceful to me that it's not my vehicle. I don't have to deal with this. This is

not my problem. It actually, it's gotten progressively worse, of course, over the summer, and I don't really care. We'd go to the beach every day and, yeah, sure. You used it. The other night, we drove for some function. We wore nice clothes. and got in the car. And I'm like, oh, my God. It was only when I got in the car with, like, nice pants and like a nice belt and nice shirt that I'm like, this is so terrible. This is like completely unacceptable. That is so funny.

It is always makes a car feel more dirty when you wear nice clothes to be in it. That is such an interesting observation. That's so true. Anyway, I don't know what to do, but I, I, it's rough, you know. Yep. Spent three months on the sand, going to spend a month. from the shop getting clean from being on the sand. And the other thing about it that's interesting is I am at 99,940 miles.

Wow. It's going to happen. I'm going to hit 100,000 miles off road. Wow. Cool. Are you going to line it up with a special place or is it just going to happen? No, and honestly, I probably won't be off road. With the children, we're just surviving.

We're just doing our best. We're just making life work here, you know. I bought it at 78,000 miles. I've driven 22,000 miles. Wow. Okay. We got to talk about. By the way, I want you to see it.

I want you to see it how it is. I want you to see it how it is before it gets clean so you can feel what this would be like. We'll film it. We'll include it in somewhere. This was at one point, a $200,000 car. I think about that every time you send pictures of it. I'm like, man.

Once a lot of time. You think that shot that the carb legality knew that it would someday be on the East Coast driving on sand, getting sand, then the power mirror switch. I'll bet he wouldn't have thought about that. My cause basis is so low in that car that part of the, I don't care.

Part of it is like, well, we'll clean it and a thousand bucks in detail. It's nothing compared to what it's gone up. It's like how Felipe thinks about his house. Okay. Or my GTI. We got to move on to the market report. The market report, the market report. Now the market report is brought to you by cars and bids.

The best website. Yeah. Ever. Period. Yep. We have auctions. We have a community section. It's great.

Yeah, no, no, we don't need it. Kenan, don't cheap in it. It's like those art galleries that only have one painting right in the center. You don't, we don't want to throw a bunch of stuff around the edge, which is the best website ever. All right, Kenan, tell us about the E9. You have the four. Yes. So we recently, I mentioned that we were selling it, we have an E9 BMW 3-liter CSL better known as the Batmobile that was on Cars and Bids.

And it's sold for $381,000, which is. strong money for an E9 Batmobile. Now, our competitors have sold them too, but the nearest one they sold to this was, same year, same spec, had the stripes, had the wing, and all that. And this car sold for substantially more than that. And it makes sense. This car was very nicely restored. I believe it's going to a museum in Canada.

It is. And it was a magnificent car, but I am very proud of the result that we brought on this car for a number of reasons. One is that, like, to have a car like this on cars and bids is tremendously special for us, and it's an honor to have a car that is so historically important on the site. This isn't just some special, like, it's not just a BMWs. This car gave birth to the M Division, which is very cool. Number two is I think the content we made on it was great.

I'm not just saying it because I was in the video. I think the entire team, Sean and producer, Sandin, our editor, and Matthew who filmed with us, all did an incredible job if you haven't watched it yet. Truly incredible. It's in there somewhere. Yeah, there it is. And I'm very proud of the work we did with that. And I think that helped us achieve this result.

But also, the thing I think about the most is, like, we haven't been selling cars from this era for that long. Like, this is a pretty, we're early in our days of this. And this car brought very serious money, a very competitive result that any auction house would be thrilled to have. And I think it underscores how far this company has come in five years in a pretty short period of time. From when we launched it, sitting out on your patio, socially distanced from one another during COVID, to selling a Batmobile on the site. Like, that's a pretty great trajectory. So I'm very thrilled with this result. I'm happy for the next owners

and I hope lots of people get to see it in the museum it's going to. It was a special car and I feel honored to have had it on the site, thrilled to have driven it, and I'm really happy with the result. I mean, incredible social car, incredible video. Sorry, go ahead, Doug. I agree with all that and I echo all that.

And I think I'm just thrilled at the result. I was thrilled to have it. And I think the video was great and I'm very impressed. And what a bidding more at the end. It was so much fun to watch. It was a wild, wild map. It went of almost $200,000 in the last two hours. It was like a wild video.

$50,000 in the last few minutes. Yep. Yeah, truly insane. I was walking through the Midway Airport with my phone. I was on a call, like a work call, and I just had my phone out watching every single bit come in. It was crazy. Man, imagine if you're flying out of Chicago and you're walking through the airport and there's Felipe. Like, if you just freak out, you know, the person sitting next to me on my plane from Chicago to San Diego was watching, like, car reels on his phone.

Like, I would, like, sat down and there was like a 9-11 and some, that he'd flip to the next one and some other car thing. And then a cars and bids one came up. And he was like, wait. Did he realize this? Yeah, yeah. I was like, I said something. Yeah, of course.

We chatted for like half an hour. It's great. Oh, you don't have that chat until the end. Hmm. I then had to do work when we reached 10,000 feet, so we're good. This is, this is one person who's gotten recognized for 10 years on the street talking to you who's now becoming truly famous, coming in, coming into, Coming into the fame, I always knew you deserved.

Right. Wait till the end to have the conversation. The first time I was talking to was very nice. We had a great conversation about cars. They're not always. Sometimes it's awkward, you know. Kennett, I'll tell you. Yeah, most of the time, everybody's been nice to me.

I've only been recognizing the airport a handful. That's one I thought. But there was, the most memorable ones, there was a kid who sat next to me. He was like, you make videos on YouTube. You know Doug. I was like, yes, I do. And he was a very sweet kid. I think that was from Denver back to here or something like that.

But going back to the CSO, I mean, incredible car, incredible result. I mean, $100,000 above the most recent close comp, which is crazy. Over 100,000 views, something like 3,000 watchers, a ton of comments. Also, the level to which the comments were true Batmobile experts were crazy. People got deep on who rebuilt the seats and how that one guy rebuilds them differently than this other guy. There's true knowledge in those 339 comments. That's happening more and more. The cars that are special that we're getting,

we're getting more and more people who really, really know the cars and understand the market and our true market experts. It's great to get their input on stuff like this. One of the values of our community is it's nice to see them resonate with the cars and bring their knowledge to it. On that subject, I want to talk briefly about the F8 because I was pretty impressed. Speaking of $381,000 car sales, we sold an F8 for $391, right? Yep, 391.

Um, hey, would you rather? Yeah, that's, yeah, well, you know. I don't know. I'm, I'm not an old car guy as much. I'd be into the F.A., but that's actually one of the reasons I wanted to bring this up, which is when the F8 came out, I remember the internet and Kenan telling me, there's turbocharged crap. Nobody wants it turboizer.

It's not a real, it's not naturally aspirated. They've ruined the whole car. No, that was the 488 I said that about. They're holding big. Yeah, well, okay, it's the same. I mean, the concept is the same. These things are holding big. Aren't you surprised about that?

I am surprised. I guess it, I mean, I guess it kind of makes sense. I mean, it really, I mean, I know the 296 carries on the torch from the lineage of these cars, but this is it for the non-hybrid, you know, V8 Ferraris. Like, we have eras that we mark off with the V8 Ferraris. And, like, the dual clutch was one when the 458 came along. That was a huge change. I think this marks the end of that sort of lineage

to now we switch to... I mean, now you have the 296 and it's hybrid-intzy-V-6. So this is the end if you want the more... Not analog, but more... How do I say this? Pure, I guess. Ferrari, I have to say, I stand by it. I think it is one of the most usable,

unusable cars have ever driven. It drives like a normal car at low speed and it blows your head off at high speed. But it is... I think that's why... I am kind of surprised at the result, but I'm happy that they're holding strong. it's a special car.

By the week prior, we sold a different F8 spider, also for strong money. That had a little bit more miles, but nevertheless. Yes, those two results are strong. The F8 is still got the mojo. It's not that old. And they're not selling for dramatically less than 2.96s, which is interesting. I think it's a cool car. I think that was a good result also.

And I just wanted to highlight that even though we were told that the Ferrari is crashing down, and the 458 was the last true one and blah, blah, blah, blah. The market doesn't agree. And almost $400,000 for this four-year-old, that's real money. I mean, those cars are still setting a strong market. There are. Surprise. I will give you, I will give you one thing to discuss.

What do you want to discuss? Yeah. Okay. I want to talk about the excursion. We had an excursion live the other day. Yeah. Yep. Which is a wild automobile.

I did. And crazy. Okay. So this was a Ford Exurgent that was converted in 2001 to, to an armored by Becker into like an armored limo built. And it had an insane amount of money put into it. 200 something thousand. I think I added it up close to $300,000 in work in 2001 to make it armored and a limo.

And now it has 19,000 miles and it fails to meet a reserve at $74,000, which by the way is what a regular 7.3 excursion with $18,000 and so forth. I'm not for it. It just like this served such a specific purpose for whoever had it commissioned in 2001. But who's the buyer now? You know, I would also argue that it was a failure because they didn't get shot. They didn't get shot at. They get to use it as far as we know.

Just because you have a Rolex seedwell or that can go down 4,000 feet or whatever, it doesn't mean you use it that way. I mean, it's like they want to know. We have different opinions about this. I'm still looking for my power mirror switch because I'm off road every day. This guy didn't do enough to get shot. He thought he did enough to get shot. If I had a Rolex sea creature or whatever you said, I would go.

Yeah, yeah, that. I would drive, I would die down. He would dwell on the sea. Take my sea critter and I would drive, dive down and get that sea urchin under the water. Yeah. All right. My favorite part, by the way, is that it was then service at Portland, a courtesy Ford in Portland, Oregon, after it got converted.

And I wonder, I wonder what, just. Because it, what was the purpose? Initially, it doesn't look that crazy, but. When you go into service that, you've got to tell them they can't put it on a lip. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it weighs it in. It's such a cool car, like incredibly, incredibly cool car.

People were going crazy over it in the comments and viewing this auction. It's just the value to the person that built it is so significant, but it's a value to anything, anybody else. It's a weird car to sell. It's kind of a famous thing about bulletproof cars. We've actually taken quite a few shots on bulletproof cars on the site. I don't know that we've ever sold one. Bulletproof cars are, yeah, bulletproof car, unlike the fellow who on this one, bulletproof cars are, you don't want to buy one you, right?

Like, it's like a mattress. Like, you don't want to take a risk on something like that. You know what I mean? Like, if you really need a bulletproof car, the last thing you really want is to be like, yeah, I'll buy somebody else's used one that I hope was done right. Look, we sold that Escalade. Was that armor? Yeah, but I think a different level of armoring.

I don't know the various levels. They're level sold. Oh, my goodness. The back of that escalage. Wow. Well, that's what they have to do because of the rear window. I learned this when I reviewed that 300 series Land Cruze and went to that armoring place in northern Virginia. There's a lot to it.

Go to foot of three. Or of the answer. Look at that. You have to do that. There's such an open space there that they basically have to put in like an armored panel in between. Yeah. Crazy. Well, in the windows, like, because the guy we'd have.

who works their camera at that one talking about the window regulars because they want the windows to be able to go up and down in order to do that because the whole poop glass is so thick it's like it's like the engineering it takes to make it look like a normal car

and function like a normal car after you've done this is for companies to do it right is really expensive and hard the use market doesn't really reward them I agree with you for what do you do like this it's not like a it's not like some cool like sema build like it was made for a purpose

for someone who really needed it and now it's just tough to justify someone who wants an armored car does not want to pay crazy money for a 20 23-year-old Ford Excursion. There are cars that retain their value. Seema built. I will also say if you are at a, if you are worried about being shot for some actions you've taken,

there's a good chance you're also willing to invest a lot of money and preventing that from happening. Right. That's right. Willing and able. Now, I do want to know why they had it done in Portland. Do you, Felipe, do you think that's the car you would least be likely to buy on cars and bids that are not? No. No, God, no.

I'm into it. Pull up, it's time for questions. The questions are brought to you by Cars and Bids. The Greatest. The greatest. Done. Not just website. Now, if you want to ask questions, you go to Cars and Bids.com, you click on the community tab.

Kenan makes a post every week. Kenan himself does it. And it says, ask us your questions. And then you can ask us and then we'll answer them. This week is one of my favorite questions we've ever had in my life. Wow. And I'm going to answer them. Okay.

I am Kenan and Philippe. Okay. We begin with the first question from Eric 44. This is going to be a quick one because I've given this a lot of thought over the last 20 years. Philippo, get out of here. First question is you're making back to the future, but the Dolorean is replaced. It's a modern era. The Dolorian is replaced by a quirky modern era car.

What replaces it and what quirk stands in for Goldwing doors? I think the answer is the Fisker karma replaces it. I've always felt that the Dolorean was sort of a like Moribund, stillborn, you know, but weird, like a minimum. Eric, it's perfectly, and it's also built in Europe, which the Delorean was, too, and it's got all these, it's like a perfect modern day Delorean. And then it died, and it only was one model, et cetera. But I don't know the quirk. Perhaps the quirk would be every company that has tried to sell that vehicle has failed. Eco-Tech Ford's a minor fiscler design.

Don't you think that Fisker Carman's the Delorean in the modern era? Yeah, somebody in the comments there said Chevy SSR, which has something to it, something to that, but I think you're right on the parallels working for the Fisker. Made a time machine out of a car? You don't think it would be a time machine? I mean, I guess I can't come up to the other office as well. Cyber truck sounds right there. You know what the other parallels?

It would struggle to reach 88 miles an hour. Yeah. EcoTac 4 is only. Cyber Truck is there, and our producer has like, thrown up his hands multiple times now. He's very excited about it. The cyber truck, though, isn't the same thing. The DeLorean was more abundant.

You need to understand, it was more abundant. But this also has a body of brushed stainless steel. Yeah, but that's not the same thing. That's not the same thing. The cyber truck is more popular. That would have been, like, in the 80s using, like, a 308.

Like, the well-known, or a Kuntosh, like a well-known thing that was already capturing the public. The DeLorean, everyone agrees, was made exciting, because of its existence in the movie. Like, the Fischer Karma would owe its life to the movie if it was in it. And it's moribund.

The Lexus RZ. There you go. No, that's stupid. It's a car you want to draw attention to? Nobody knows it exists. There you go. Oh, RZ is pretty bad. Okay, next question.

This one's for Kennan. And I got two things to say about this question. First off, the question itself. PC racer, hey, guys, at what age would you let your children drive your cars? I'm 25 and my dad lets me drive his 488, but he knows I wouldn't risk doing anything stupid on the road because it would affect my career, which took years to study for.

I think that this person just wants to brag that his dad has a 488. It's not much of a brag, although I think it is. Nonetheless, the question is a good one because I'm curious what your response would be, Kenan. Let's pretend you and Emily had children, and they're running around, little Kenano and Canini. what

when would you let them drive the beloved M5 that they were presumably conceived in? Brought back from the hospital in at least. Oh really? The car see will create well, I mean I would put something down. That's not safe. Well, I think the, I don't know,

it's a good question. I think when if you grow, if you have, I didn't grow up in a car household, My dad wasn't into cars. So it was like the idea of growing up and like if your kids are interested in cars sharing the hobby with them, if they genuinely grow up around it and like respect the cars and stuff like that, I can definitely see it happening. I think that like everybody in my life,

I would imagine my kids would be terrified to drive the car. I'm not terrified of your car. You don't want to. No one wants the responsibility. I have no desire to, but I'm not terrified. I'll drive it. I'll drive it. If I crash it,

I'll give you the 13, 850 that it's worth. The last time Doug drove one of my cars, he drove. it onto a sidewalk, but, you know. Well, I'd rather, yeah. Well, I have a picture of him in the driver's seat on the sidewalk in the car. That's all I, it's all I'd say. But no, I think at some point, like, I can see, like, I could see, like, my kids drive the car.

My dad has driven the car without me and it on a couple of occasions. I took it to get his haircut once when I first got it. I was like, yeah, go take the M5. And he did. Would you let me drive the car? Under what circumstances? Curvy tea. I have a courage of tea.

It costs a million dollars. I know, but it would almost be easier to get another encouraging to the, well, not to your love. The thing about both of us is your service level. Well, no, to replicate the level of servicing. You're going to get killed in the comments again, but you always do so, it's fine.

No, that's fair. No, I know you have all these really expensive cars and all of my friends have really expensive cars, but everybody seems afraid to drive the M5 because of how significant it is in my life. And it's like to replace it is like, I would have to buy one with that level of servicing and most of the parts to do that are no longer available.

So, like, it would be really hard to replace. And so that's why most people are afraid to use it. But I would let my kids drive it, and I would let you drive it. Never. I mean, he's dancing around it, but the answer is never. He won't even let his adult automotive enthusiast friends who are. I will, but they don't want to. Nobody wants to. I used to. I don't need to. Let me drive. I want to drive it. Oh, I want to sit 11.

As long as I can drive the Kuntosh. Once Kennan passes away and it's in probate, then at that point, they will have to drive it. That doesn't matter. What's your answer? or you actually have children. I don't know. I've never really given a thought, but it doesn't seem like my kids

are going to be that interested. But I don't, you know, I don't know. I'm not letting my kids drive. The cars are incredibly valuable. What are we trying to let kids drive cars? Geez. I think you would at some point if they had an express interesting.

Maybe. I don't know. It's definitely not on my mind. But I'm just, I'm trying to get through them. I'm trying to get through each morning. That's my goal with my children right now. And the thing they would learn about you is that you are the worst backseat driver. I have ever experienced in my entire life.

It is so distracting. You go to shift gears and it's like, why, you're shifting there. You should use more rails. Wow, you're revving it too much. You're going too fast. You're not going fast enough. What are you doing?

It's awful. I want to be clear. It's rarely about your speed. It's usually about the engine speed. I usually really get on you about gear shifts, but only because I know that you hate it. It's so late. Filippo notoriously shifts at 40 RPM,

and I don't show him. I don't tell them anything. His driveway is six feet. long and by foot number four, he's in third gear. Okay. Next question. Next question from Open Smacks. It's probably Opens Max, but I'm going to say Open Smacks.

Question for Doug. Of the cars and your cars and bids bid history, which are you most relieved you did not win and which are you most disappointing? Kenneth, pull up my bid history. All right. So go down. In my bid history, what have I been on? 993 turbo, Stradman Supra, a 612, two smart crossblades, that focus STTS,

SST Strop Transit Connect. That was cool. Hummer EVee is definitely the one I'm most relieved that didn't win. Mitsukavut. That 2,500 suburban. I hope you regret not buying that 2,500. Surb. Okay, definitely the one that I'm most relieved I didn't win is the Hummer EV,

although I didn't put in a serious bid. I think the one that I wish that I had won the most is the smart crossblade. I mean, I still think about those cars pretty regularly. Six beds. Yeah, those are so cool. Although I would love a 993 turbo. That one was a little bit too modded for me. But I want a smart crossblade.

Don't we all? Don't we all? Okay. Next question. This is the hardest question we've gotten, Kenon. Me and you. From neon espresso. Now it should be espresso, but it's espresso.

No, no, no, no, no, no. The neon express was if memory serves a trim level of the neon. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what I'll do. Wait a sec. Yeah. It was neon. The espresso was the trim.

Expresso. So we got to give Neon Expresso credit. I thought it was espresso this whole time. This is really gone. Wow. Falifo, that is deep-go-losson. Next question. Next question from Neon-Expresso.

If you had tripleton, this is very hard. If you had to replace all of your cars with brand new ones, meaning cars currently on sale new and 25, what would your choices be? I know my 25 Secoia, 25 E-class station wagon. After that, it gets murky. Kenon, what do you got? After that, it gets murky. I don't know.

I need a second to come back to that. You buy it. Probably M3. Don't you think non-comp M3? Yeah, probably manual M3 would be great. I wish I'd get it in a wagon, but... Well, a V-Bla-V-W-W-W. Actually, that's the correct answer. Yeah, the V-Blackwing is the car I would choose.

Philippo, I don't think anybody's interested in your answers. And mine would be hard. What's still available with the three pedals? Anything? 9-11s. Yeah, I'd get a 9-11. S-T. ST, yeah.

I'd get a, well, that Gordon-Maree Academy car, and anything else? I'd get the electric G-Wagon instead of, there's no convertible. I'd take it to Newport Converbal Engineering. They'll make one for you. There you go. We can still get sand in it. Manual sports cars. Are there still any others that I'm not thinking of that are like in that range?

I guess like a boxer spider maybe, but that's not on sale anymore. It's tough for me. I wouldn't be entirely. thrilled with a lot of porches. It'd be a lot of boring Porsches. What would we replace the Kuntash? That's the thing, I don't know. Not the new

Kuntash, surely. Also, that's a year's old, this one. Right. Yeah, it doesn't count. I don't know, it'd be tough. So I'd get a 9-11 ST, and I'd get the Gordon-Murray Academy, and then I'd be out of cars. Now, this leads us to our next question from the Stig 11. It's a three-word question. Amed-Bet-Kennon. Three-word question. Okay. Enzo?

Or MC-12? Ooh. One's longer, so. Well, now technically two are longer. There are two lengths of the MC12. Apported, a long one and a longer one. But no one's ever seen two MC12 next to each other, so nobody will confirm. Also, longer regardless, right?

I think it would still be the Enzo for me. Really? The Enzo is such a... I've been looking a lot at that car recently, like pictures and stuff. It is crazy. The MC12 is also not particularly usable. You're the only person I know. know who's driven one dog but i mean you know visibility out the rear of that car like it's just

the end so you can kind of use as like a car a little bit i'm going to tell you something and i just want to say it and you take it how you want when i was driving the mc12 i wasn't looking behind me yep i knew that's exactly what you were going to say cal supriese i think it ends up doors go up it says Ferrari on it yeah i will say though the mc12 has a radio oh oh oh that is something Windows and power windows. Which would you choose? Does that change your mind? No.

I think I like the Enzo more. Which would I choose? Man, I would love to have one of those cars. I spent the last 25 years hating how the Enzo looked, and in the last six months I've come around to it. Honestly, it was when you showed that Enzo in Monaco in my video just 30 minutes ago. I think that was it. That was the moment.

No, I'm into the Enzo, but I think, how do you not get an MC12? You'd flex on everybody. It's true, but I mean, it's not like that, although that's a model. it's not like that isn't a flex on everybody. Yeah, that's still pretty good. And I think that for a car, the design that is 22 years old now, that still looks just as cutting edge. Whereas the MC12 of C12 looks funny to me.

You know what you do, Kenan? You take the Enzo and you go to that place that Nick went to in Texas or wherever, and you have it manual swapped. I've thought about that. I haven't won up that. Can you imagine what that would be like? I was thinking about that recently. The MC12 is also a good looking car.

You know what you do with the M.S. large. You know what you do at the MC12, Kenner? You get one, and then you take it to that place where Nick went in Texas or wherever, and you get it manual swapped. Yeah, I was thinking about that recently. All right, I got to do. We have two more questions, two very, very short questions that they're more.

They're both great. Oh, yeah, wait, three more. Three more good ones, because two will go through really quick. Number one, from the Mishka, given your conversation about the manual Kyan, do you think Porsche would be successful if it sold a manual McCann today? Could it capture the population of former WX wagon owners who are now older, richer, and more refined? The answer to that is no. But.

No circumstances at all. But it would be successful in the secondary market 50 years from now. But only for a third of its value. Listen, the manual column is successful, but only at 25 grand being sold to car nerds. Like, that's not a car they ever should have made it on. I don't even think it probably was a success at the time financially. God, no. I can't imagine it was.

Two more from Oliver Kax 9 for Philippo. If you had to buy a car right now on Cars and Bids, what would it be and why? Get out there. Get out there. I will come back to this answer. We discussed this every single week on the Live Now section of our- We do. That's so true.

On the Cars and Bids YouTube channel. Will you both. Give us it. Give us it. I'm scrolling. Don't you think it's that? I want the Earth Romer. I do love the Earth Rower. The Earth Rover is the coolest car we ever had on Cars and Bids.

It's like a truly elite level of that. Get an Earth Romer. It's too big. I think it. We have a Boxer Spider live now, and we also have a C-7 with a stick live now. And we also have a 550 with a stick live right now. Is it not that 300 CSR-T-8 convertible? Seriously. No, no.

It's not. It's not. It's not. It would be... Can I give you four cars that we have live right now that I want? Sure. Like really want. Can I pull them up quickly?

All right. We have a 2016 boxer spider. Yep. It's a good car. It's a good car. It is. Very similar respect to our friends in. Good car.

We also have a... Who is that? it's in New Orleans. It's a, yes. We also have a 550 Marinella, which I also want. I do love the 550. Yep, it is.

We have a really nice E46M3 comp. Really? Yeah, the 2006 one. That's something you would? That's a special car. I agree that it is. It's a special car.

I would want it for that. And then last, but certainly not least, we have a sob 93, 2.0T sport combo with a stick. So, One of those four. So basically, what Felipeo did there was, he promoted three very special cars that he wanted people to see,

and then he told us what he actually wants to get. No, it's not the one I actually most want, although I've considered bidding. Right. That's exactly. You pick, yeah, because if their cars I like, it's probably not really what you want in your heart. The Boxer Spider, the 46M3 have my eye right now. The Boxer Spire, we did agree on was that video. Yeah, it was incredible.

Yeah, lovely car. Last question comes to us from Badger Man. And it's a very good question. If you could change the spec of your car for free, what would you pick? Kenan, start off. Color. Avis Blue with a two-tone full-leather sport interior. What's Avis Blue?

I don't remember what Avis Blue is. Avis was the predecessor to LaMont. It was slightly earlier. Do you like Avis better than LaMau? Yes, I do. It's a little bit rarer. I don't know if there's any... Up, down to the left, there you go.

Far left. This one, yeah, this was a rough carb. I think this was the mall. No, this one was Avis. That is, ignore the awful wheels. But, I mean, Ais, absolutely terrible. There, that's a good one. That looks stock there.

But, yeah, Avis Blue, yeah, and then the two-tone, full leather sport interior to the offered only for the 2000 model year. This was the spec that I wanted. I actually made an offer on a car that was the spec, and I just didn't work out numbers. why and then I found my car was in like nicer condition overall. But still, that's the dream. Blue is the one.

Philippo? And the GTI, it would be really nice to have Keelocentry. Or it has a key fall, but it'd be nice to have the thing. Would you do a spectrum color? Do you change the color of any of your cars? No, I love the wagon color. Moka black is a great, the Zigno color. You wouldn't want red with light wheels for the...

The Fiat's the right color. It's not my favorite of Barth color, but it works. The GTI I would prefer to be in color. That's the whole crux of the question. Yeah, but like it works. The gray is better, but I, white, white wheels. White white wheels is the best of color.

That's also true. But I like the black. I thought she has to her ken and cleans it. The GTI I don't care about color spec. Okay. I'm going to give you a Sean take for me. Oh, good. Oh, my cars are the best spec.

Yeah, no, that's best. Well, yeah, you choose the press colors, but except for. Well, Kuntash technically isn't. It should have a white interior. That would make it the best. Yeah, although the white interiors, the more kuntoshes I see with white interiors, they keep coming up, they are, the white interiors age so badly, and you end up having to do full interior replacements. It just looks like white leather after 40 years just starts to look gross. Like people getting in and out, it's just gross.

It's like truly like, it tracks and it and then the cracks get color, colored, and it yellows and it browns and it's just not an attractive situation. The only one I disagree with is your wagon. and I don't love the interior color. Yeah, I wish I hadn't gotten a white interior. Didn't consider any of that before the whole thing happened. Yeah. What about the Ford? You'd put the base wheels on the Ford GT.

Yeah, but if I, you know what, Kenan? If I would do that, I could. Like, they come up for sale and it's like a $20,000 price difference, but I never have, so I guess I wouldn't, you know? Like, if I'm sitting here like, oh, I like the base wheels. Well, okay, do something about it then. The Ford, it's taken me an enormously long amount of time to come around to the colors on all these cars.

I wanted a heritage 4GT for a long time. I wanted white for a long time. If I had to change the 4GT colors, I'd probably change to white with blue stripes like that one there. However, the market loves blue with white stripes, which is what I have. In fact, it's the second hottest color after heritage in terms of pricing.

So I guess, and I've grown to like it. The career GT, I'm like a deep silver convert. It is the only color I'm interested in, and I think that brown is the best interior. I've wanted yellow for so long, and now I see yellow ones, just a little much. The Kuntash White is just like how it has to be.

The Sequoian Mercedes, I did buy new, and the G-Wagon's got to be silver. I got no regrets. You should regret the white interior. Yeah, I do. But you know what? It's the dog, not the kids, which is a surprise. It's the dog, not the kids. The dog has ruined that interior.

I don't know what I'm going to do. Kevin's going to charge me a bunch of money to fix that, too. Tough. Noodle's worth it. Okay. Do we have any, Kenan, do you have any final parting thoughts? gone for a month. I'm gone for a month and I will miss you all very much. I will miss you. I will certainly be checking in and listening to the podcast when I can.

But nonetheless, I hope to have a wonderful job. I can't wait to, you know, bring stuff back from Europe and tell you stories and it'll be great. Can't wait to see you all again. Listen to the podcast when you can. I got stuff I'm doing. I'm, I'm going to, look, if I'm laying out of Lake Como and you call me and I look at the phone, I'm going to go, oh, put it back down again. What was the last time I called you? I did a long time. It's been an absolute pleasure.

Felipe, you got anything? Any interesting? Not safe travels to Europe. Thank you. Enjoy. Send me photos of Fiat Panda's four by fours. I'll like come on. We'll look for as many as I can.

It'll be easy. I'm jealous that you're gone for a month. That would be nice. All right, everyone. We'll see you. We'll see you later. Who's filling in? Is Nick filling in?

Nick is filling in, and I'm sure you'll have to cut out some lewd stuff that he says. That's Nick. I'd expect nothing was. All right, absolute pleasure. Best podcast we've ever done. Felipe. Goodbye, everybody.

Goodbye. Goodbye.