THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Ugliest Car Ever? Doug DeMuro's Road Rage Strategy, and the Tesla Future Classic!

Episode Date: September 27, 2024

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And welcome to this car pod. I'm Felipeo. I'm Nick. Because Kennan isn't here today. Very sad. But we have Nick instead. He's got some car updates for us and some other things. And we got a lot of car to talk about.

So let's go. Should we get started with the Porosangue? Nick, tell us about this. All right. So Man Sari, and that's actually how it's pronounced. Is Man, the pause I think is optional. Then sorry. Man Sari has the new Ferrari.

A S-U-B should be, sorry, so I get it. And I've actually, I've been digging deep into this because as a car enthusiast, I've spent a lot of time wondering who's buying this stuff. Doug's losing it, which is great. He won't not say, me, I'm sorry.

Okay, the genesis of this is the Instagram worst spec. You know, there's all these people like, oh, your speck is so great, oh, nice speck. But there's an Instagram called Worst Speck that looks at the worst specs. Yeah, I love this account.

It's one of the great Instagram. And he, he, He refers to Mansuri, the company that makes horrible body kits, only as Mansari. No, Okla, that is how Mr. Mansari himself pronounces it. You're kidding. I'm dead serious. That is how they pronounce it in Amsterdam or wherever they're from. Well, he should be saying, man, sorry for this one.

This is the ugliest thing I have seen in my life. Do you agree? It's... What is your deep dive in the map? The deep dive is, that's the point. it is supposed to be an ostentatious display of wealth so the uglier and more obnoxious

they make it the more distinct it is and therefore when you were in Monaco trying to flex on everyone that else has a purse on way there's no mistaking that you paid $400,000 extra for the ugly version you don't see a lot of in Monaco you see in the Middle East wherever you're seeing them that's the point if it were subtle no one would know that you spent

double the car's value on the malls they're incredibly expensive I will good news though it has like five more horsepower. Oh, a little tune. A little tune. It's exhaust, I think, yeah.

It's just the flex on your buddies. So the Matt Armstrong, the YouTuber, just reed belt Marcus Rashford's wraith, and I'm messing up all the names there. But he detailed the parts,

and it was like, a badge is $1,300. A man, sorry, that. The hood would be $14,000. Like, everything is exorbitantly expensive, but that is the point. Is the company just kind of making fun of their custom?

Like, do you understand what I'm saying? Like, if the point is to be over the top ostentatious and ridiculous. Like, at some point are you just making fun of... It's a good question. People? Yes. Like, do they exist to make fun of their customers? What does Mr. Mancery drive himself? That answer is a question. They didn't expose that, but he's got a long, flowing white beard, and he kind of looks like a

wizard, but he's a character. He was, had a lot of curse words in the most recent Matt video, but I will say... So, wait, he's like European... So this is the Mansori version of the Ferrari. You know what this looks like is the juke r. Remember the juke r? The juke r was tasteful. The juke was tasteful. It's got a lot of events.

I would like to go to a photo of the rear because we don't have it here. Porosangwee mansuri R. Sorry, he's spelled it right. Only one R despite the pronunciation. Oh man, this is just aggressively bad. So the whole point is to be even showier than like whatever,

like an event that we thought if in your community, eventadors are common, you get a manservoirs are common, you get a manservidivier. sorry of Ventador, the Pugnator. And it's not that he's trolling his customers. His customers are looking for this. So he's found in need, and they're filling that need. And I will say the craftmanship actually appears to be well in terms of like the

fit and finish. Like, it doesn't look great. I agree with that. It always seems like it's not like a cheap, like, body kit that's falling off at 350 Z. And it's the interior. They re-apulster every inch of the inside. Really? They go all out, but it is hundreds of thousands of dollars that you spend on top of the

purchase price of the couple. You agree that it makes it uglier. I would never do this in a million. I wouldn't buy the Purisong way to begin with, but... And if Nick wouldn't do it in a million years. Imagine it's mansari all over the seat belts. Go back up, go back up. Man sorry all over the...

Look at that lit man sorry on the seat. You saw what they're calling this, right? The Pugnator. The what? The Pugnator. Yikes. Yikes. What other mansorries?

What other mansorries are there? Go back up there. Oh, man. They got a whole... Wait, wait, wait. I want to see the Vespa. Oh, man. 9-11 Carrera facelift.

You want to see the Vespa? Some of these aren't so bad. Ooh, the Black Marlin. The Golden Age of Cars, aka the 90s. And you had Wings West Civics, right? The idea, again, was to be like a transformer and look as different and wild as possible. Right.

That's the design ethos. It's not for us, but for the right type of version. They may have made the XM look good. The XM looks about the same. Chopster. That looks like a cayenne. That is a cayenne. Do you want that shopster? Their website has had some troubles here and there.

Yikes on a stick. Well, that is man sorry. And man, are we sorry? We had to look at that. How many times you want to make the joke? You got to come up with something more creative. I love it. The dude named his company like what we think.

You know, it would be like, we'll have to think of something. Yeah, all right. We'll put some thought to it. Okay. Next news story, there is a ketchup situation. Philippa, tell us. Yeah, Volkswagen, for some reason, is giving you bottles of ketchup when you buy specific cars. Okay, which cars and why?

The why we will never understand. No, it has something to do with they serve this ketchup in their factory or something? It's something made near their factory. To be honest, this is your news story. All I know is that there's a press photo with a JETA GLI with a tomato stem and a bottle of ketchup. That's all I know. This ketchup is served in their factories to their factory workers and a private. Apparently we are supposed to know that, and so now they're serving it with cars.

You could actually get it for free through their parts catalog for a bet. That's what it is. No way. So you didn't have to buy a car. It's back. Now you can get it for free through their parts catalog again. And not to make this political, but you have the shrinkflation movement. It used to be you buy a jetto.

You could a pair of K2 skis or a Trek mountain bike. A good old catch-up. I mean, come on. Are you just going to do the 90s? Is this going to be a 90s podcast? That was the Jetta 3. The Trek edition was a great addition. Somehow it's what they all are.

It's unclear to me. It was a great addition. It was green. True story about that. My friend's dad owned a VW dealer. And for Christmas, he took some of the skis away from one of the vehicles, wrapped it and put it under the tree, and that's what he got for Christmas. You know, speaking of 90s Volkswagen, Schu, should we talk Harlequin for a second?

Pull up a picture of a golf harlequin. Love those. You know how they made them. Yeah, of course. Different panels from different cars, right? They reassembled it. That's exactly right. The Gulf Harlequin was made.

Volkswagen for a while sold this, this multicolored car. There were four colors. The color of the car is the color of the yellow. It's the base color that can't really be changed. And so they would make it, they made a hundred of each in their factory. And then when the car was built, they unscrewed the panels. I mean, it was way easier than trying to paint each panel, obviously, right? They unscrewed the panels and they all had a thing.

And each car had a thing, like every yellow car had a blue door, like they all had a place they were supposed to go. Here's a story for you. In the 1996, Atlanta Olympics, the golf harlequin was like the car. It was like drove around the athletes. There were like dozens of them. And at the end of the Olympics, the golf harlequin went to the local Volkswagen dealership in Atlanta. And I knew the people who worked there. And they told me that after that they had four or five of them left on their lot like a year later.

Nobody wanted this multicolored golf. And so one night. They swapped him back? They took it back. Because it was the only way to sell this track. Was there no special badging or anything to say like Harlequin? There was the injection. You think you need a badge?

I'm sure you get a little fish wire, you could take it off. The interior had this multicoled pattern, which was only on the harlequins. They had a polo harlequin in Europe, too. I think it's the coolest thing in the world. But at the time, you could see that maybe you wouldn't want to spend like 25 grand on a... Yeah. You know, the biggest highlight here is they sold the golf in great colors. Now it's all silver.

The golf was not offered in these colors. Only the harlequin was offered. I think one of these colors was on the golf, but the rest of them were all unique to the harlequin. Huh? It was like Chagal, blue. I don't remember the color now. Do we have it in Ginster yellow. Ginster yellow base.

Okay, that's your golf carto green, tornado red, shagal blue. Well done. Anyway, back to the ketchup. Volkswagen does weird things and now they're offering ketchup. And unfortunately, you cannot get a Jeddah with a tomato stem on it. Wait, is that what the new Jeddah Jedi looks like? The post-face left? Who knew?

Yeah. I was just thinking the other day, like what manufacturers are not selling cars anymore. And Volkswagen came in mind. I was like, no, they still have. They still have it. But they don't sell the Gulf here anymore, right? It's just the GTI and the Gulf R. Correct.

right. Things are changing. Yeah. The whole new world. It's not the 90s anymore. Do you know that in Europe, Volkswagen sells a convertible SUV called the T-Roc cabriola? And they have for years. Yeah. It's front-wheel drive only though, right? I believe. I don't know. That sounds like a good car for you to import. Give us...

Here's our next news story. The new RAM heavy duty has been released, and it has an absolutely ridiculous grill. There are lines everywhere. Now, it's hard to see the resolution of our camera, but there are lines. line, line, line, line, line, line, line, line, line. It looks like a baline whale. It looks like it's going to be a lot of fun to clean, but it's a truck. Who's cleaning trucks?

We're going to try to find new photos. You don't think anybody's cleaning. I mean, not to the obsessive Kennan and Felipe with the Fiat 500R. Thank you for watching our video. You know, I will say also, the interesting thing about these trucks with the grills. There you go. You can kind of see it a little bit better. Look at all those lines.

There's up, there's vertical lines. There's horizontal lines. There's normal lines. Those vehicles kill people. Do we agree? Oh yeah, 100%. Okay. There's no pedestrian regulations for vehicles like this. They can have grills. I mean, this grill's got to be four, five feet high. Yep. It will murder children. It'll be very tragic. Wow. You get the cyber truck, also known for some... Comparatively lower. Harder. Doesn't deform, but... Compared to one, three, it's fine. What, why are we talking about this? Because it's a face-lifted. I think it... Real design has jumped the shark. This is yet another manufacturer trying to... I remember.

years ago, I did a review on the Super Duty, and the Ford badge was the size of a license plate. And that was crazy. And now, I mean, my Toyota badge on my Sequoia is the size of Felipe. I'm not exactly. He could lie down. Right. Right. That ram badge might as well be the size of a child. Right. It's kind of disappointing. But that's the world we're living in now. But it's a lot of plastic, which is interesting. Give me another news story. Give me a robot. Oh, yes. This is an interesting one. Go ahead. Inios is pausing production of the Granadier and Quartermaster, which is their pickup truck. for, they say about a year due to some part delays.

Now, it is legitimately apparently driven by part supply. I heard they don't know how long, but months. They're pulling a Jaguar? So they do say that it's solely due to like some key part. They haven't said which one from a supplier that's not available. But you've got to assume they're kind of happy about this. Well, okay, so I don't think it has anything to do with a part. Ineos.

Ineos dealers are loaded with Ineoses. NEOSI, NEI. I think they're cool, but they are not hard to find. They are not hard to buy. They are very oversold right now, overproduced and at dealers. And so I have a suspicion. They're happy. Whenever an automaker says, there's a parts delay, we're pausing production, you don't

pause production. You got to sell in order to continue to make, I mean, to generate revenue. They are certainly content with their not being additional inventory at their dealer lots. One wonders what the real story is. I'll put it that way. I could be a little bit of both. I don't think it's any... If you tell your supplier, stop producing the part.

Well, yeah, then there's a shortage of the part. Listen, I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this. If you're in a position where your car is doing incredibly well, you find a way. You get a part. You get the part. You don't pause production for six months. You find another supplier.

Or you have your supplier assigned content. I mean, the suppliers generally can't get out of this kind of stuff. This is an interesting situation. Can I note there are a lot of Vinio Scranton. They're around. Which is stunning. They're ever... I'm surprised by how much.

adoption there had been in wealthy coastal neighborhoods on nantucket this summer which is a big four-wheel drive culture they were i don't know i saw 30 of them it's like the day here in san diego yeah i got three neighbors who have them literally within a few blocks in my house it's like the thing you know what you'll never see a quartermaster do you know how much the picture costs well it's subject to the chicken tax it is you know how much it costs well 25% more than it should correct it's 95 grand If it's been reserved for the base pickup grenadier. The chicken tax screwsy. It always has.

That's the problem. They need to pull a Ford Transit Connect. And assemble it here. Well, take the seats in and then take them out. It's a pickup thing, though. It only works like that with Vans. They do have lease specials. I've been seeing Facebook ads for it.

And that's like an investment hypothesis I have for like a family offices. Figure out who's pushing the best lease deals on Facebook and then short those stuff. It's a great point. It was the Canary in the coal mine for the future of Ineos. Unfortunately, it is every car right now. If you're running the Johnson and Johnson Family Office, here is a great idea for you. What do you think the Johnson and Johnson's called? Because I doubt it's Johnson and Johnson.

No, they got some name. Big Johnson. Toyota and Lexus are not in short, in long supply. Except for? Oh, the BZ4X, which is the worst car on sale. Can we just say that? As a podcast. Can we take a position as a podcast?

I will ponder. We'll come back next week and I will answer. Is the Soltero worse? Do you think? The BZFORX is ugly. And worse name. Yeah, agreed. So it's slightly worse.

I will put some real thought over the next week. Worst car on sale. Yeah. You're thinking about the Volkswagen Atlas crossback or whatever it's called. Those are cheap though. It's not. The Q4 ETRON. And honestly, so does Infinity Q60 or 50,

whichever one is still for sale. dude yesterday. I asked him and Sam to name all the current infinities that he's not have to line up and they both send products that don't exist anymore. No. Oh yeah, Felipe still nonetheless, I would like credit for getting them all correct. It's not all of them.

Okay, so anyway, Ennio's pausing production, no surprise. They are oversupplied. Whether or not they say it's the supplier, there's been talked, maybe it's for car because of the seats. That could be true, but other manufacturers aren't having that issue. I suspect it's an issue of oversupply. Yeah. Regardless, even if it is part-related, they're probably pretty content. There are cars that are early adopter cars, and this is one of them.

I think the early people get it. They're excited. They pay sticker. They pay over. It's hard after that to find the segment. And once I started seeing how many of these are showing up at the INEOS dealers, I was really surprised. They have production.

Because, in India's a legitimate company, I'm not surprised they had the supply chain, part issue aside, mostly figured out to get cars to lots, but it maybe hurt them, too. Yeah. And I think they may be over, over-sized, over-decided, how many people would actually want to buy. Look, they named it after a pub at England. The whole thing is a little weird. I think the whole thing's a little silly. I think they're cool, though.

It's very British to do all of the above. Correct. And I am impressed by how much it looks like a defender. Yeah, it looks cool as hell. It's so cool. You see them around. It legitimately looks cool as hell. And I will say, regardless of the current oversupply situation, they have kind of proven to land over,

hey, there were people who were interested in this. Like, if Land Rover had done it and done it on their terms, I bet it would have been a successful car. And instead, they left it to somebody else. And they've done okay. I don't think the power train works. I think a lot of the tech is wonky. But, like, they've shown, hey, there actually are people, rich people with real money willing to buy this car. And maybe Land Rover should have given that a thought before making the defender like a suburban transport vehicle.

And if you want to learn more about it, Doug does have a full review on his YouTube channel. Full review. We're going to move on to the next topic. The G.R. Corolla. It's now available with an automatic transmission. You can get, I believe, an 8-speed automatic now. How much do you think it is cheaper or more expensive than the regular Girocola to do so? I'm going to go with no-cost option. No cost option. That's what it should be.

Instead, it's two grand more. So you could buy a Girokoroa with a manual, or you could spend two grand, which is 5% of the sale of the MSRP to get amount of that. It's not, it's going to resell worse. Oh, so much worse. So, so the question is, so you're paying more, you're going to lose more, period. I mean, there's no question about that. And it's just a torque converter.

Yeah. But here's my question. They have some BS name for it. Right, I'm sure. But my question is, are they going to sell any? Is anyone going to purchase? Well, so keep in mind that people put man, automatics in first-gen vipers, because they were boomers who really wanted an automatic. It was an aftermarket officer, but you see them pop up sometimes.

Really? Maybe. Yeah, I was going to say people that, you know, either had a disability or had a legitimate need to not drive a carola. I agree. I think that those people will do it. So that's the small portion of my... Is anyone else going to do it?

No, none. People who don't want to sit in traffic, I guess, in a manual. Why buy a jerk roller? Well, you want to have some fun, but you got a long commute. Do you think they're going to get buyers that just want an all-wheel drive corolla? Like, hash-back? It's the only Corolla hashback available with all-wheel drive. That's interesting.

I was behind a FIA-Focus ST today that was going very slowly. And I was thinking to myself, is this person just want a stick focus or a white focus and it was like at the dealer and the seats look cool so they did it, you know? Maybe you get a good deal on it. You probably will. So that'll apply to the Felipe and I category deal seekers. I would never buy the automatic version of this car. Ever. What if it was really cheap?

No. Half off. No. Half off. Half off and free oil changes for life. You would do it? And you get a Toyota B and lion? I do wonder if the market is like, like you,

and your wife have a Ford focus as an automatic, despite that being the worst transmission known to man. It just was. It is. Yeah, it's bad. Would you, if you want a jerk roller, but you want your significant other who can't drive a manual, maybe you would buy the automatic jerk wheels.

Yeah, again, like it should only be like, my significant customers in the U.S. Why is this so rough? Why, what is going, why did this cost $48,000? You don't tell her it's the G.R. You did you get you a parola. It's a basic car, no frills, just like you asked.

It's just gray. had that idea. Yeah. I was going to get my wife a Grand Cherokee S-R-T. Do you remember this? I was going to pull the badges. This was a legitimate idea that I had and I kind of took it to some conclusion, but I didn't do that. But I really, really, really thought about it. It would be a little loud. She might think that she would notice the noise. I really don't. She's around my loud cars all the time. She's probably like normalized noise. Like, I think it would be fine. But my wife now notices things that I don't expect, but that I would ever notice. For example, there's a Honda Prolog parking in front of my house

because that's what's getting picked up. I had not noticed that the badge of the different Honda spelling on the... You didn't notice? That's like the only cool thing about the exterior. I was busy admiring the color and the blazerness. And she hates it, apparently.

She came in and said, I can't believe this looks like that. I hate that. I think it's cool. It's futuristic. But maybe your wife would notice the color. Or she'd noticed like the giant breaks. The color, but not the...

I think we'd get away with that. Yeah. I am surprised at how many TRD edition Camrys that I see around. And you're like, it's just a body kit. So the person wanted an automatic practical car that also looked like a little sporty.

So if you are like, I want a Corolla, but I want a sporty looking one, but I also don't, I'm not a car enthusiast. The base Corolla hatchback is like sporty looking. And they offer a sport one that isn't the GR. Also, you know what I realized about those Camry TRDs? I was in New York City where the Avalon is like the main car for the Ubers.

And like, I saw like 12 Avalon TRDs and it hit me. Those guys showed up at the dealer. There wasn't a restaurant. regular Avalon, so they're like, all right, it'll take the TRD. And I bet that's a lot of the camera TRIV buyers. Probably. Yeah, there's one I know in particular that I'm like, I know this person and they're not a TRD buyer.

I think that's just what was available. I will say I found five more buyers. I think there's five people in Vermont who bought an STI when it was new because they wanted an all-wheel drive hot hat. Yeah, those were all stick up. Yeah, but now they're ready for auto. They will buy this. And we found all 10 buyers.

Right. Good job. Okay. Moving on to the talk cars. segment where we are going to talk about cars. And I want to start with a topic that I think is really important, which is road rage. It hit me the other day.

Have you heard this theory of mine yet? It hit me the other day. I was watching YouTube videos with road rage as I do. Reddit.com slash road cam. No, no. On YouTube, it now recommends me road rage videos, all sorts of things like that. My YouTube is road rage compilations. and weird things that happen in Major League Baseball games.

That's like it. Like the guy hitting a bird? Yeah, stuff like that. I watch it. Could actually happen in either video. Something for the audience to think about. Here's my road rage contention. A lot of people out there seem to enjoy getting in road rage.

And so my view is if you're going to get in road rage, you should engage with a driver of a first-generation Nissan Leaf. Because those cars initially, 12 years ago, only had 64 miles of range. And these days, they're probably down to about 30 miles of range. And so my thinking is, engage in a road rage incident with them, they can't chase you. So if you're out of the road and you're thinking, I'm mad and I really want to rage at somebody, seek out a Nissan Leaf, first generation.

It's a brilliant idea. They're also statistically less likely to be gun owners, I would imagine. Which, having lived in Arizona a while, that is calculus you do before you road rage on someone. Sure is. What's the calculus? You see an NRA bumper sticker or pickup, you don't mess with them on the same level you would a leaf owner. It's true for so many reasons.

But if you, they're the same argument could be made about IMEA of owners. Yeah, well, if you can find one. They're so pathetic that you don't want to. That's true. No offense. You have to say, hey. You've had about a year decades, two decades. But at first-gen leave, and you've got to assume if they're driving, they've already, so let's say the 64 miles range in 2012.

Well, now they're down to like 35. You can tell, by the way, if you ever want to buy a Nissan Leaf, those ways you know, it doesn't matter. They're now down to 35 miles of range, right? Yeah. But if they're driving, they've probably at least used three or four miles of range already. If they're on the highway, they're at one mile regardless of how long they've been on the highway. And if they do try to chase you, at the very least, you can take solace and knowing they won't have air conditioning for it. Because if they turn on their air conditioning, they lose like 10 more miles of range.

And so that's a little road rage tip for you. And they'll look like a frog. Yeah, it's weird looking car. Okay, Nick, that is an excellent takeaway for our entire audience. Thank you. Thank you. It's going to be hard to some people to find the first genital. You're also assuming someone's doing calculated premeditated road rage, which...

Look, are you just want to do road rage sometimes? I think just rage. I do have this fantasy that if I won the lottery and had infinite money, like I would rear-end people if they weren't quick enough at the lights and like kind of just nudge them off, not to harm them, but just to like penalize them for being too slow when I'm trying to get somewhere. You are like one step away from owning. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like a resvani.

It would be a great car. Or the Terra, whatever, right? The Gurkha. It's not up yet. It's not up yet. Okay. Okay. Nick, update us about your Maserati quattro porte.

All right. So the QP5 is, I've gotten it. It's been a whirlwind already. But we have all seen it. Outside of one spot, it looks great. Yes. I pulled the paint, removing paint protection film. But I've done some good things, too.

I've changed the oil, so on. Pressure washed it. Pressure wash the engine. Had a little issues there, but the big issue was the title. So the guy sends me the title, and this was after a lot of back and forth. With a very sketchy person. With a person where we called off the deal twice, I canceled shipping. It was like a whole thing.

And the title finally arrives, and it's missing a signature. So no, I told him to, do you have possession of the car that's 9th of the law? No, I said, look, the title's missing a signature. The guy's sketchy. Just sign it. Nick, of course. Doug Simer does not actually advocate for I was a good Samaritan and I

sent it back to him because I didn't want to be accused of title fraud. But he already has the full payment for the vehicle. So in theory, he could have taken that title and said, hey, some guy in California stole my car, here's the title, here's the proof of ownership. And it would, I don't know if it would work or not, but he could truck. He also sent

you the title before he sent you the car. So you could have done the same thing. Potentially. You're already shown that you're a lot of this deal took over a month was we were both running those hypotheticals assuming the other guy was going to scam each other and we just came to stalemate so many times. The guy thought Nick was going to scare him because Nick's the type of guy who's buying a used quattro porte. The problem is that Nick's buying the car from the type of guy who's selling a used quattroporte. And you know, earlier in the transaction when I sent proof of funds, he's like, I got more money than you. Like it kept being like this weird contest. And then what did you send him? What photo did you send him? No,

we talked about this last. We talked about it. So, so anyways, the story continues. news that he said, all right, I will have the title signed, but I want extra money for the inconvenience. Even though the guy himself wasn't the one, he didn't sign the title correctly. He asked for more money from Nick for the inconvenience of him having to sign the title correctly. Didn't you previously send him more money to overnight? Are you a title that he then just pocketed? I sent him $30 for overniting. He showed me a picture of the $5 postage. He pocketed the $25. And it took, it took like weeks. He somehow got lost, and it took a week to go from Texas to Montana.

To wear Nick? California, I think you said? Yeah, yeah, of course. But anyway, so I... Which county, though? I decided not to explain to him how I was the one being inconvenienced. I drove the car without it being registered for a week. And thankfully, the title actually did arrive back.

We are bros now. We're exchanging photos. What's he sending you photos of? His Audi RS7, and I'm not sure why. He likes the car. What's a NRS 7? The only one that I know of. The first one.

What color is it? Latest one. Nardo Gray. Is he looking to sell? Would you recommend him as a seller? I was so weird because we talked badly upon him on the last podcast before the title had been received. And I'm like, oh my gosh, if he listens, I have a feeling he's going to keep this title. At least now we can say the transaction is done and the sketchiest man in the world has sold the second sketchiest man in the world, a quadru-porte officially.

We're both all right people. There's a very fine people on both sides. Very. Yes, thank you. That's exactly what I was looking for. I'm glad that you got it done, Nick, and I'm so excited to see the Quadra Porte start to appear on the channel.

When of the videos start to go live? Soon. I've got about three half-filmed here. It is currently having the wheels redone in silver, which I know will make you very happy. Very happy. They were factory black, but it wasn't a good one. Oh, they were factory black?

Yeah. Oh, well, it looked bad. Because I think blue wheels on a black car with black wheels on a blue car look stupid. It's like wearing a blue shirt and black paint. It doesn't match. But it was end of the run, and Maserati was trying to find a way

to make the product no one wanted a little more exciting. Black wheels were really in. At the time. What they should have tried was selling it for $17,000 or $13,000 or whatever you paid. Oh, it is worth every penny. I love this car for $14,000. I'm sure you do.

It's been reliable. Yeah. He's owned it for a week. My son had a birthday party the day. He drove his whole family to the party in it. His wife, kids. We made it. We made it roundtrap. They all show up in a Maserati quattroporte with fictitious license plates. Because at the time the title hadn't come in yet. So you're doing great, Nick.

Apparently, pretty soon we are all going to be going to the desert in cars that are cheap, and the quattroporte is one of them, and there will be others, and it's going to be a video series. We'll have more on that on the YouTube.com. It's going to be quite an exciting series. Give us a talk cars, please. Yeah, I want to talk about a kind of a preference thing. So went live today. on cars and beds, so we're filming this a little bit early. Yes. There are two very green cars.

Yes. That just went live on cars and beds. One is an MGGTR coop in green hell Magno. Yeah. YouTube, don't demonetize that. That's what Mercedes called it. Yeah. And a Huracon Evo in Verdei Mantis.

Before you got here, he was like, would either of you drive, ever drive a car in these colors? And I was like, I wouldn't get one of these two cars that wasn't in these colors. A hurricane, cool car, but this is just such a, I can. That's what they are. I can't. That's what they are. I just can't. Do you agree?

It's like the man, sorry. That's the point. That's the point. To be obnoxious. I actually love this green. The Green Hel Magnet was a great call. I wouldn't get a GTR and anything but Green Hell Magnet. That's the color.

It's such a color. It's so color. Yeah, but that's the point. Blue on your Ford GT looks wonderful. This guy has seven cars. And so when he wants to go crazy, he drives this. When he wants to daily, he's got an escalate. Were either of these the press color?

This was. Yeah. Because I think of, so think of the Verde Ethica with Mercilogos. There's a lot of cars where, like, the green is iconic. So I think this being the press color, yes. On the Huracan, I don't know. Hurricane, but you've got to have it in some loud color. Yeah.

Like, people who get black, I don't get it. It totally hides the lines. What are the colors of Huracons are sold? That looks cool. That Aroncio Argos looks really cool. Rosopira I'm into. You know, I really like lizard green on the GT3 RS is. You're trying to put, there's certain cars where it works.

I want my cars to all be silver, brown, or... You're trying to put a classy glassy glassy glassy glassy. into a non-classy car. The Hurricanes isn't classy and never will be. It's an in-your-face crazy thing. So you get it in-your-face crazy color. When I was looking for Lotus Alises back 10 years ago, I will never forget how many were silver and gray,

and it was like, you guys don't get the point of a Lotus Elite. No, I want my Lotus Leafs be gray. No! I wanted Krypton Green, which was this, but I couldn't afford it. Yeah, and honestly, shopping for my QP-5, I said I will not buy a silver, black, or white. It has to be a color. I honestly don't care beyond that, but it has to be a color.

I don't want a gray scale. Have you seen the Bentley? There was a Bentley in here, which is purple on purple. And I'm not saying it's like some purple on the interior. The carpets, the whole thing. It's a Bentley press car that I have, and they call the color Damson. Damn, son. That's what I said.

Damn son, you got a purple petlin. So I'm alone. You are alone. If you get a car like this, that's what you want. You're crazy. I'm not the market for a car like this. Later on, I'm going to. to sell you a automatic GR Corolla and lizard green.

Real good deal. I would only buy it right. I'm going to throw in transmission fluid flushes. That's enough for pulling. He knows you're an incredibly cheap. That's like all the fluids. A little cooling. You don't have to change it.

It's fluid. By the way, speaking of this, you know what the genesis, the end-up genesis of that Sequoia oil change thing was? Remember I said on the podcast, I have to drive cross-country and get my oil change? You know what happened? I took it to the dealership in Hyannis, Massachusetts, and they said the oil change is actually not until 10,000 miles. The 5,000 miles service, I swear to God.

He said, it's going to take us an hour. But he said, we rotate your tires, we check your floor mat positioning, and we check your fluids. And I said, sir, can I have my keys back? And I left, and I drove the car 35.00 miles. I will say, you told me this, and then I looked it up. It does say that if you're driving in more difficult conditions, such as maybe on the beach every single day,

or exclusively on 3,000 miles at a time. Yeah. You should probably... I'm going to get the old change to 8,500 miles to compensate for that. What are you at right now? 8,500. I'm going to take it to Mossy.

I was worried you were at 8,000 and it would take you a year to get the last 500 miles. I'm also a little bit of an orphan with the Sequoia because I bought it from Toyota Long Beach. Shout out to my guys. I actually did the whole transaction over text message when I was sitting Washington Square Park in Manhattan.

I swear to God, including the wire. And so I bought it at Long Beach, Toyota. And so they don't accept me at the other Toyota dealers. The first thing they say is, did you buy it here? And I'm like, no. And they're like, well, sir. They don't need to ask you that. They haven't sold a TRD Pro Sequoia in years.

I would have bought it here if you had one. Anyway, so the Sequoia is going to get its soil change. It's getting cleaned right now. Wow. It was rough. It was so rough. You should have seen how much sand was in this thing. I bet.

I mean, it was so bad. And like, shells and crab pieces. And it was just. A lot of the Trump. was shells. Shels was a lot of the trunk. I meant to take him back to the beach, but I forgot, to be honest. Can I mention one tall car slash news topic before we move on? Are you familiar with the Civic, the Honda Civic? Yes. There are many trim levels. There's a regular one, there's a hybrid one, and there's a Civic S.I. Yeah, it's also a Civic

type part, but we don't talk about that one. Which do you think is most powerful? Can I go with Decompressed National Natural Gas? Do they still make that one? Still offer that? No. They haven't. It's like 2007. You would assume the SI is the most powerful. That's a fair assumption. Yeah.

Okay. So the hybrid has 200 horse. The SI has 200 horse. But the hybrid has something like 40 more pound feet of torque than the SI. The hybrid's torque is 2302 and the SS's torque is 192. Wow. 40. 40 more pound feet in the hybrid.

The hybrid is more powerful and it has a faster zero to 60 time than the SI. Do they still offer the hybrid with three pads? No. Nick and I are three ped guys. What can I say? Right. So the SI makes sense. I'm sure it's lighter.

It's three pedals for an idea. No, you don't. Oh, no, that's true. Four automatics. That was true before, too. When was the last time you had a manual car? Oh, that's so true. Yeah.

The R8. R.8 was the most recent. Right. Years. Me and you, at least. So if you want the fastest Honda Civic, get the hybrid. Get the hybrid. If you pull up in a Civic SI next to another Civic,

don't drag race them because they're fast. Well, what if it's a type R? If you're in the type R? No, no, no. The type R is the fastest. The Integra type S is the fastest. But the hybrid gets you the best fuel economy, the best zero-s-time, and the most torque. Someone to consider.

It's crazy. Then you could go road rage against a leaf and outrun them with your range. I think you can do that in a CNG. Yeah, you could do that in any car. That's another benefit, actually. I think you can do that on like a moped if you try hard enough. The new Civic Hybrid 50 miles per gallon combined, 49 combined. And I think you get a hatch.

Is there any drawback to this car? No. Okay. We've said that the Toyota BZ4X is the worst car on sale. The Civic Hybrid is the best. Yeah. Faster than the Civic S.I. 50 miles per gallon.

What else do you need? Microbot agrees. Okay. Felipe, give us our next topic, please. Oh, the market report. It's time for the market report. When we talk about the car market. And who's it brought to you by?

Brought to you by cars and bids. The finest car marketplace in the world. selling and buying cars has never been easier than on Carsandbids.com. Free listings for sellers. I really wish you had said that part into the mic, but it's fine. Okay, all right. We got some market report topics. One topic I want to talk about, Model S signature.

Can you pull up a Model S signature? Yeah, please. That one. Pull that one up. Know that one. For the folks stuck in the 90s, what's the signature edition? Okay. The Tesla Model S comes out.

It is obviously one of the most important cars of our lifetime. I mean, you can't say anything. At the time, we didn't know that though, right? Like it was just another startup BS car, right? They made the first thousand of them were the signature model, which was red with these gray wheels. They were signed by Elon Musk. Is that true?

And they were all, I don't remember if that's true. So this is like the foundation series. But it was like the very beginning. Well, sort of except the foundation series turns out to now be the first model year of slavery longer. Tom Claire. But yeah, this is like legitimately the first. first thousand vins. I have a theory that these are going to be valuable cars. I mean,

there's already a $53,000 in 2022. For a super low mile one. But I really think, when you think about Tesla and the impact it's had and will continue to obviously have on the car market, this is like where it started. The roadster is where it started, but that's kind of a compromised car that doesn't really fit in with any of the ethos of any car they made later. This was like the very beginning. 2012, the very first cars, I have a suspicion that in 20 years, we look back and say, I mean, the door handles be broken and the screen, et cetera, et cetera. We look back and say this was the beginning.

This is a special car. Next thing you're going to talk about is the same thing for Nissan Leaf. No, those cars had no impact. The Volt and the Leaf. The first-gen Leaf had an impact. It had a very small impact. 64 miles of rain.

I couldn't get from one end to the Dallas metro area to the other. I don't disagree with you. I mean, like the signature is things that help it, limited, defined by the VIN, which I think does help for like collectability. limited production and they were truly special cars.

They had their own color, their own wheels. Like, it was a thing to identify them. Yeah. I don't disagree with you. And like, we saw roadster values go up a lot in the last few years. Yep. Those are different, different body cell. I think it hurts it that the model S still is the same car.

Yeah, I don't think this happens anytime soon. But I agree with you. I think it'll be important. But I think as we look back and as other model S's sort of are just normal cars, we're going to say, where did Tesla begin? I think, and when you look at the beginning of some really important cars, some of them have really become like valuable commodities like the original Ford Explorer.

You can get one of the, I mean, those are six, seven grand now. No, but really. I truly think this. I think you're right. About this car. Like someday well-preserved model S signatures are going to be valuable cars.

The beginning of the generation in 2012 and the end of the generation in 2050 will both, like the very end and very beginning will both be desirable. That's so true. This is a good point. Yeah.

Good insight. I also think it looks really cool. Like I'm not a big model S guy. I think it's kind of a boring looking car. But specifically the signature, this red, colors cool, the wheels are cool. It actually had kind of like a special effect to it. And it really was the beginning of a whole new world that has not stopped since then. Do you remember seeing them

out for the first time? I remember when I was walking around, I lived in Atlanta when this car came out and I remember walking down the street in a nice neighborhood and there was one in a drive and I was like, what? Somebody bought one of these stupid cars, a stupid Tesla, like what an idiot. And it was a signature like this. And I still remember that. That was in 2012. It was the first really of like the real. We have actual range. It's a normal car. It doesn't look like a leaf.

Yeah, the leaf came out for the 10 model year. This came out for the 12 model year. Around like 11, 12. But like this was, this Tesla obviously is the company that changed the EV space forever. You of course remember. This doesn't have three rows, but the Model S early, you could have the rear facing. Yeah, they offered it for a long time. I don't think this had it.

And no longer. The Model S signature. Such a cool looking car. Okay, Nick, give us a market take, please. All right, another car. I am interested in, although it would continue my shameful record of automatics, is a CLK

63 black series. We just sold one. Just sold an amazing one. Okay, I would only want it in silver, contrary to our previous discussion. Silver on this car works. They offered them in black, white, red, there are reds around, but silver was like perfect. It really

showcases the fenders and the wide box what makes it not a $8,000 CLK base. Correct. Yeah. It's a gorgeous. car. And during COVID, I remember sitting around our car group and we all said, oh, we missed the mark. They're now going for 110, 120. They're going up. They're gone. And I'm not just this one. This one actually was a good result. They're all now selling in like 80 you can maybe buy to like 100 buys. Maybe an extremely low mile one, but they've come down. And I just think that's such a buy for the buying. It is such a special car. They only made it for what? One or two model years. They're really rare. They look really, really, really cool. 700 global. So it's like a real thing.

And it's not 700 global of some trim level. It like actually had distinctive stuff. It's a very special car. And at Car Week this year, you know what car got the most attention? CLK GTR. Okay. Well, that's... It's slightly different.

It's a little more modified. But I'm just saying like there is like a... The heritage of this car, the specialness. It's not like this... You're still right. Vaporware car. Yeah, same car. Completely...

It's actually the different generation. Let's flip back and forth. But the point being is... Sorry, which one is this is? I can't tell. This is a newer one. The headlights are conjoined instead of separate A jokes. It's not an Aspark owl.

It's not some like vaporware car. For 91, this is cool. Believe it or not, I actually wrote on my list separate from you that the CLK GTR is kind of a deal. Yeah, it is. When you think about the production level and when you think about how cool it is, and also not to toot our own site's horn, this is the one to get. And I really, really was interested in. I was kind of hoping it wouldn't make reserves so I could pop on in.

But it did. but this car had miles, but not so many that it was crazy, but it had 46,000 miles so you could use it. And it wasn't stupidly modified. A weird number of these were stupidly modified, which is, it didn't make sense. Nobody's modding Mercedes, but that happened. And a lot of the wheels get changed,

and these are beautiful wheels. The perfect wheels. People change the wheels. It makes no sense. This looks like a touring car, and those look like touring car wheels. Like, it's so cool. It is such a cool car.

It is an automatic, and it did have basically the same interior as a regular CLK from that era. That's the only things that have stopped me from doing it. I reviewed one, And like, you can get the tail out by just thinking. Yeah. It was crazy.

It's so much fun. The V8s in these cars, just, it's a muscle car. It totally is. It sounds amazing. It's got tons of torque. Like, it is not your grandpoppy's Mercedes. And, by the way, something a lot of people don't know. This was the only CLK 63 coop.

They didn't do a regular CLK 63 coup. They only did a regular CLK 63 convertible. So it's not like there's the same engine in a lesser, I mean, the convertible, I guess you can make that argument. But, like, they did a CLK-55 coop on the previous engine, but it was a, but it was a way less power because it was never supercharged. 500 and 400500 whereas the other, the 55 was 365 was 362 because they didn't know

for the supercharged into this car. This is at 91, at the very least you won't lose money on it. Yep. It's so cool. Why don't you have one? Maybe after the QP5 this would be a good consideration. I've been trying to talk him into a Diablo. I'm watching two of them

very closely. He bit on that one last week on this podcast. That's right. I've since been out bed, but We're watching that one. Speaking of 63 Mercedes, I have a topic that I think you will be interested in. We want to talk about our most of the car. We're most excited about being live on the site right now. And my answer is the Terodyne Gerka.

Ooh, a road rage car. This car is a ridiculous vehicle. It's based on the Super Duty Ford F-Series. And it's just absolutely massive absurd thing, Ford F550. And it has stuff like road flares. Look at it. Aren't you excited to have this? Oh, and the crazy part about this, Terodyne Gerka?

Oh, sorry, all of it isn't the crazy part? No, believe it or not, you know what the craziest thing is? The mileage. But don't look, don't look, don't look. I was just about to note that because that is wild. Okay, this thing, I mean, you've already seen, but this thing, it's absurd. Yeah. But it's been driven 44,000 miles.

Somebody, like, daily to Teradine Gurkha. And what year is it? 17. It's only a 20. It's a 20. It's a, oh, that's a, that's right. See, that's some serious mileage in. not a lot of time. Someone drove this thing like

it was a daily driver just around. That's wild. It's got a Georgia truck plate like a, like a, like they only put those plates on like semis and stuff. But it is that. The Terradine... Never let... But the thing I was going to say to you about 63 amg's, the very next car live is something

that I think you would appreciate. What is it? It is this. ML63. This is the only car I have ever seen with a wide body kit that looks good. And honestly, I kind of think this looks better than factory. I'm kind of what's insane Look at this

This isn't so bad I don't know I have no idea Top car I've not heard of them Does this not look too terrible Weirdly looks It looks nice right It looks decent for sure

It's kind of a tasteful wide buddy kid I don't hate it And I was thinking when I was looking I was like this is a Nick This is some Nick stuff I adore the ML 63 For the same reason we talked about that The motor itself sounds and looks amazing

You got 500 plus horsepower in a family SUV, and you can buy these, I don't know about the wide-body version, but the non-wide-body versions. Everyone's afraid of the head stud issue, but they're pretty affordable power. This one does not have the original AMGV8. This is a twin-turbo V8, so it doesn't have the headbolt thing. It's the next-gen model. So it's got even more power, and I had this motor in an E-63, and it's perfectly reliable.

But I think that this screams you. It's also in Portland, Oregon. Maybe a cayenne replacement for your family car. That's pretty cheap shipping. You want to buy my 9-58? Yeah, kind of. All right, all right. For a desert challenge, this is a great opportunity for us.

All you have to do. This would be like selling, getting your wife into the SartT-8 cheap. Yes. Oh, yeah, it's just a quaint little Mercedes SUV. That's so true. It's just what it looks like. The fenders, yeah, because they want to be sporty. Okay, we're going to move on now to questions, questions, questions.

Now remember, you too can ask us questions. Go to cars and bids.com, click on the communities tab, And then we have a post that says questions for the next week's podcast, and you can ask your questions there. And we will answer the top-upvoted questions no matter how stupid. Great. What are they this week? Okay. Top question.

Hey, Doug. Have you ever considered doing a video with Whistland Diesel or any other YouTubers? What a dream. I've done a million videos with a million different YouTubers. I've done a ton of collabs. I've done with Donut. I've done with Hoovee. We had a collab season where I went all over the place and did all sorts of clubs.

You've done with Nick of Knicks of Knicks Carblog? However, I have. have never collabed with whistling. And that is one of my life great regrets, you know? We could fix it. It's like how astronauts are like, yeah, but I never made it to the moon. Like, that's me about whistling. Opportunity might still strike.

Whistling is my hero. And a lot of people don't feel this way. Like a lot of car enthusiasts don't like Whistling diesel because he blows up cars, but that's why I like him. I mean, I would say. Like if I were to put like a top reason why I like him, it's that he blows up car. Sure.

You know, the dude launched a helicopter in a building. Right. And that's rare. That's rare. That's good content.

And I, who review cars and I'm very careful with them, I've always wanted to blow up them. Right? Like, how cool would it be for the

Damson Bentley to just be blown up? But I can't do that. And so I idolize Whistling. And so I have done videos with other

YouTubers, but never the pinnacle. Never the pinnacle. Well, if he's listening, I think you got a great idea with the Nissan Leaf Road Rage experiment. It's a good durability test concept. Remember when you got us that Whistling Diesel gift? Yeah, yeah. It's over here somewhere.

Yeah, he'd already sold out of the Ferrari, so that was the G-Wagon that had been destroyed. Nick, Whistling Diesel at one point destroyed a G-Wagon, and he sold parts of it to finance his channel and his existence. And Nick bought me as a present part of it, and it's the greatest present I've ever been given. I know you'd like it and it was a little spendy for what it is, but... What was it? It's like 300 bucks. No way, are you serious? Maybe it was 200, but it was like more than the usual impulse number that I am comfortable

like. Like your Maserati popped collar shirt that's 100 bucks? Damn. Yeah, that was also uncomfortable. Nick is not above spending money for a gag gift. And I like that. Nope. So anyway, that's the answer to that question.

Whistlin, if you're out there, please. I actually have his number. I texted him once or twice. I don't think he cares about me. Like he gets so many more views and he blows up stuff that I think he's like that guy. Right. I don't need to watch a review with the car was original. Right.

He's like, I don't care about how it looks. I care about how it looks when I push it down my hill. Right. Right. When I live on fire on a cornfield. I feel it, dude. Different. Okay.

Next question. Also from Core to Rann. Same person who asked the first question. Wow. Lots of uploaded questions. Maybe if it's like 20 accounts of himself. What are, when you should do that, by the way. What are the group?

thoughts on the new Scout EV that will finally be released on September 24th. Was that released today? I thought it was October. I haven't seen a thing about it. We're recording this on September 24th. I'm familiar, of course, with the Scout EV. It's made the wave so much that none of us are aware that it's launched. But I will say that...

October 24th is the reveal day. October 24th, that's what I thought. It seems like it might be cool, but honestly, it says Volkswagen is seeking 10% of the U.S. truck market by 2030. Did you hear that? Because Volkswagen owns a scout brand now. Well, I'm familiar with them owning the scobrand. That's an ambitious goal for a company that has never, as a brand, come anywhere close to that.

No, like zero. Or maybe they're counting Atlas and stuff. Well, they have an Amarok Cabriolet in Europe, right? T-Rourke. It's a totally different note. I feel like I should show you the T-Roc cabriolet actually looks at. He doesn't know what the Amarok is. He doesn't know what either of them are.

They sell in Mexico. It's a cool Volkswagen pickup. I want one of those. They sell the T-Rack in Mexico, too, I think. I love the press photo for this. Look at this woman. She's got a pavit a shawl because she can't, because her hair's getting blown around.

It's a reminder that your hair could get blown around unless, of course, you don't want. So it's an Eos Tiguan, basically. That's exactly what it is. But it's much smaller. It's smaller. It's an Eos. It's a Tos. It's a Tos.

It's not related. It's actually not related to the Touse. I'm really sorry, but it's not actually related to Touse Eos. Eos. The Tos. The Tauce are related to an SUV that they sell in China Not to the T-Roc. It's just like alphabet soup.

That's how they're naming their cars now. They're all wins. The T-Roc famously win. Oh, they used to do that, but they're all gone. Golf was my favorite win. Okay, the answer to the question is, I am excited for the scout. I imagine Volkswagen will screw it up. Don't you think?

They usually screw things up. Blake, how hard can it be? How hard could it be to bring back to the bus? And yet they gave us the long wheelbase one five years after they first announced it. Are they on sale? No, they're not on sale. And it costs $75,000.

They screwed it up. They screwed up the bus. But this is a different brand. Doesn't count. They're gonna screw this up too. It's what they do. The thing that Volkswagen does best is other brands. Scoda, great brand now.

Seat, not, but closer to be great. Maybe that's all they can accomplish. The, um, I'm excited for the scout, but I don't have high hopes. It's like the Jeep Recon. Right. Move on. They're flush with all that tomato sauce money now. Catch up.

ketchup. You say ketchup, I say tomato sauce. God, you're so problematic. Okay, next question from CJ Jeep Rollover. As a Jeep lover, I am very weary of roller. If I should just buy a scout in 26, two scout questions. Or wait for another electric Jeep hybrid. Also, why hasn't BMW even tried to make an off-road or truck or SUV?

I'm actually going to skip the first question because I don't know anything about the scout yet. Nobody else does. And also, you should just go to your local Jeep dealership and say, I'll pay you $100 a month if you let me take your Wrangler 4x8, and they will. Yeah, I got 100 a month. What do you got? And they'll be like, well? And the answer will be literally any of our products.

They'll be like, well, sir, do you want to get into the Jeep? Do you want to own the dealership for a hundred a month? I think that buys you the store. The last time I rented a car, I rented like a midsize or something. They offered me a Wrangler 4xie, and then I heard them offer Wrangler 4 by you to every other person that came in, which is a bad sign. Okay, the other part of this question, though, is interesting. Why hasn't BMW even tried to make an off-roader truck or SUV?

Okay. Don't pretend they haven't. They never did. They did. No. I'm so sorry. No, no, no. The original X-5 had a crawler gear.

First gear was a crawler game. Yeah, but the point was the... Crawler gear. He's asking about the G-Wagon. Does your Sequoia have a crawler gear? It's an auto. The G-Wagon, and it does have a low range, so yeah. The G-Wagon is very successful and popular.

The Lexus LX is an off-roader type thing. Thanks for nothing successful or popular, because we all know. There are periods where it was. Other luxury brands have made off-roader SUVs. Name another. Lamborghini Lambergeny Lambeeramu. Hey. Yep.

Trans-Siberia Cayenne. Trans-Siberia Cayenne. Huracan Starado. How about that? Off-road of SUVs are so popular. We're making sports cars into them. Raptor, by the way. Any luxury?

That's like 90 grand. I don't know. A Raptor R is like $200,000. The Ineus Grenadier? Ineos Grin. Benadier. Yeah. How about every Land Rover? Defender, that new defender, the ACTA. Have you familiar to the Discovery Sport? You know, Defenders still selling like crazy. The DeSupply is like two.

Anyway, the point of the question is, why hasn't BMW competed in this segment? And I think it's a great question, and I totally agree. And you know what the thing of it is that makes it such a topical question? The XM was intended to be that. The XM was trying to rival the GWagon. They were like, okay, Mercedes has this SUV at the top of their product range that's actually less practical than the less. Like, the GWagon is smaller than a GLS, but more expensive, and yet they sell every one of them. So BMW was like, why can't we do that?

And they came out with the XM. They're thinking Mercedes has this off-road thing locked down. What does BMW do well? This performance thing. And boy, is that failed. I think they saw the G-Wagon and realized no single human has ever taken one off-road. Right.

And like, oh, people don't care about that. Yeah. But they misunderstood the image. They misunderstood. A huge component of the G-Wagon is the fact that it looks like it's tough. Yeah. And the X-M looks like you got talked into something. That's such a great point.

It really, really, really does. I mean, like, look at this. And that one's black, black. Like, that's okay. That's the best color combo. Yeah. And it's also just bad. Like, the performance isn't that great.

I've seen one. I've never seen one on plates. And, including that one, I should do the plates. Now, here's a good XM. There's the XM that you want. Anyway, it's a great question. And I think that realistically, if automakers want to have a flagship SUV, the whole thing about an SUV is it has to, you want it to have capability. Land Rover has made a ton of money selling people capability they'll never use,

and so is the G-Wagon, and so is the Raptor, and so is Jeep, honestly, the only successful Chrysler brand, et cetera, et cetera. And like, the M.W. should. I think that they wanted to do the products correctly. They did an off-road, they wanted it to be good off-road. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. They misunderstood.

They should make it look brawny-toy-T-R-D-Pro, right? I mean, every TRD Pro ever made has sold its sticker, except the original sequo. And no camera T-R-D has ever gone off-road. so. I just, it just, there's such a market right now. There's such an image thing, off-roaders. People are spending $300,000 on off-road sprinters, et cetera, et cetera. You could take this all the way down. BMW should have done it. And it's, it's, I think it's a mist that they didn't and they did this instead. What a stupid car. You know what I just realized? A friend of mine was mentioning offhand, they were, they were behind a BMW badges. It only had them on the window. And it's just in this moment that it clicked. This is it. They were

behind an XM. And that's the biggest surprise of all of this, but somebody in the wild was behind an XM. Random person. And I'll say to bring it all together, the XM, I think, followed the Mansari brief. It does. Which is make it ostentatious, even if it's ugly. It's so does. People will know you spent $200,000 on the car that's worth about half that. And now it's worth $70,000.

That was the brief, and they nailed the assignment. Yeah, they so did. It was like, because they wanted to compete with the G-Wagget and the, like, crazy money, like, just rich, look at me. And boy, did they. And boy, do people look at them. Yikes. needless to say, whistling taking apart of BMWXN, but he should.

He should. Someone's cheaper. But then people would love him for it. Part of his brand is based on hate. Okay, that's our podcast. The greatest podcast we've ever done. Nick, any parting thoughts? Man am I sorry.

All right, goodbye, everyone.