THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Why Do All EVs Look the Same? CLK-GTR Review Explained! New Ferrari V-12 Coming!

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

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And welcome to this car pie. I'm Kenan. I'm Filippo. Let's start with the news. First news story is this thing. Do you know what is this? It looks like a Renault R5. I imagine you're going to say it has 9 million horsepower and it's electric.

It's electric. It's a Renault R5 turbo 3E. So a couple years ago, Renault said we're going to rebuild the R5, which was a hot hatch, what was regular hatch in the 80s. And then the R5 turbo was a hot hash and turbos. Okay. Legend. A legend, truly.

They said we're going to do this. And then nobody believed them because it was. is that like an auto show it's a concept card. And then they built the R5, which is like a retro-inspired EV. And they have finally given details on what the Turbo 3E is,

which is this wild version that they will produce 1,980 units of. Are they actually going to build it? Yes. It's going to look like this, and they're going to build this? Yes, although they've said

that it's going to be very customizable. The interior will be very customizable. It's fully electric? How much power? It is 540-something horsepower. Rear wheel drive, not all-wheel drive. Wow. Like the OJ?

Legitably notable. It has two motors, one in each wheel. And it's fully rear wheel drive. And it's so cool. Does it do the shifting like the Ionic 5N? I don't know. If it does, this is the first desirable electric car. It's desirable, period.

Look at it. It's cool as hell. It's a 540 horsepower. It weighs 3,200 pounds, which for an EV with 250 miles of range. And two motors. And that's really light. Yeah. And it's like a true wild-looking hot hatch.

Yeah. Like, it looks cool. It looks pretty, it looks pretty, crew to the OG. Yeah, it really does. Under 3.5 seconds, zero to 60. Well, yeah. They're quoting 168 mile an hour top speed. Unfortunately, what it will not do

compared to the OG is try to kill you. I drove a Cleo v6. It's a rear-wheel drive 540-4-hour car. But the physics issue at the OG was that it had the motor back there. To be clear, not a Cleo v6, but it's the same idea.

The CLEOV6 was just the newer version of the R5 turbo, but it's the same... 20 years later, but yeah, yeah. It still was was killing. Anyway, this thing is really, really cool, and I love it. I love the wheel. I love it so much. They're going to build almost 2,000 of them.

Unfortunately, not for the U.S. We'll never see one in the U.S. We'll never see one in Europe because we go to places that are desirable, not rich. And therefore, we'll never see one. But only the French will have them. No, it's very cool. I think it is very cool. It's sad that it can't come to the U.S., although it would be able to bypass the EPA's 21-year exemption.

So it could come to the U.S. tomorrow, but unfortunately, Nitz is still going to screw us. There are two things that stop the cars from coming in. The EPA has 21 years and NHTSA has 25. 25 is the screwer on this car. But the EPA, it's a interesting distinction to make in this specific case. In 25 years, we'll see this car in the U.S. I have no doubt. I have some doubts, but yeah, nonetheless.

That is the coolest EV that has ever existed. Do you agree? If it does the shifty thing like the Ionic 5 and, yeah, it's wider than I would, but it's just cool. I love that it's rear, that it's really, drive. Yes. They're clearly trying to go for something, and the styling looks incredible.

There's some mod to turn these lights yellow, like they're usually out of yellow fox. Oh, so cool. So cool. The interior photos, by the way, which we don't have up. Interior photo. I want to see an interior photo. It's the R5 Turbo 3E. R5 Turbo 3E.

I don't know why you missed it, but it's okay. I don't know. I think the E is actually pretty important. Is that it? No. I've seen a different photo. Type the E. instead of a period.

I don't know how that happened. It's just like, that is? That might be, yeah, there's different versions floating around. That's the concept card. That's the concept. This is it? Yeah. It says production.

But there's also a really cool seats. Wow. Look at that. There is a giant parking break in the middle, in an emergency break in the middle. So you can pull it, go for a drift. It's so cool. I love that they're being so playful with it.

And actually that is the coolest EV yet to exist. Okay, back to our news. Next news story is. Mark Rober I love Mark Rober Mark Rober is a YouTuber He makes videos on the internet Much like myself

And as if you have a young child You might discover He creates like engineering kits That are really aimed at kids From like 5 to 15 So he's like an engineering YouTuber He makes a lot of cool engineering videos And he just did this video

This has been a big deal this week Where he compared a Tesla Which has radar sensors Tesla's automated driving works solely off of cameras. Everybody else uses LiDAR in addition to cameras. And he compared it to a car that has LiDAR.

And he did a bunch of different tests with it to see, you know, whether Tesla's system wasn't safe enough. And he basically had like a kid. Would the car stop if it saw a kid run into the road? And the answer for the Tesla was yes. But then when you added rain to the experience and a kid was running into the road,

it was just too much going on and the Tesla ran into the kid, etc. Yeah. I think actually the Tesla, and that one didn't run into the kid, but with fog and ran to the kid there, ran to the kid with fog. But the best one was this, where he actually created a fake road on a sheet ahead of the car. Wiley coyote style to see if the Tesla would run into the road. The cars with Lidar Civis as an object and don't hit it, but the Tesla did run into the road,

smashed right into this giant, this giant screen. Great consumer advice. Who hasn't run a show Wiley Coyote experience in their vet? I certainly have it. I know to stop. But it is fascinating to see the difference between the approaches for a time. And to just see it all tested and actually. The truth be told, the real world application of this video, I think, is minimal.

I don't know. Kids run out of the street in heavy fog. There are certainly situations where it's probably happened. The point of it is Elon Musk has made a, and Tesla's engineers have made a really big point. They used to use LIDAR in some of their earlier Model S systems. They got rid of that. And I have said repeatedly, cameras are good enough. What this demonstrates is that in edge, certainly,

in edge cases where there's a fake wall road, but also in situations where... That is an edge case. In situations where visibility is low, so snow, rain, fog, other related events, LIDAR still has a really substantial benefit because cameras can only see really what less than you as a human can see. Yeah.

And so their visibility is not improved in those settings. It was interesting. It is. Given how Tesla sells this product, full self-driving, you see some limitations in edge cases. I will say in concurrence, with Tesla, honestly, it probably is good enough in

most situations. Sure. There's a big difference. Virtually, is it good enough for normal and does it match what they claim the benefits of the cameras versus LiDAR are? Answer to that second question, no. Is it good enough for normal driving? Sure. Unless you're trusting it to also drive in the rain

or fog. I will say he also did give Tesla a big benefit in this test. He allowed the cars to be running on autopilot when he did the test. Did you notice that? Whereas the LiDAR car presumably was not running on any sort of thing. It was just using the LiDar sensors. Now, I do wonder if it was running under full self-driving if that would change things at all, but probably it's still camera-based and probably wouldn't have had an effect. Regardless, it doesn't work all that well in these edge cases. The edge cases are really edgy in this situation.

And certainly, I mean, Mark River tried to make a good television, good YouTube. Yeah, and so you need to run over a child. A fake child, but a child. There is ample evidence that Tesla is not great at identifying things in rain because the rain does mess a camera. And you've also seen a lot of cases, or at least a few cases of them hitting stationary objects, fire vehicles, things that are reflective, which makes sense because the camera can't process information. But don't those Waymos, those F-PACE, Waymos, something's hit that stuff? Eye-pace.

Almost never, because LIDAR just shows that it's an object. You can determine is this something that shouldn't hit way more effectively. Now, LiDAR is way more expensive. Right. And so there's downsides. Part of the problem is it's heinous. The LIDAR sensors in a Waymo and any full autonomous car are heinous. Even on the X-90.

Even on the X-90, it looks like a lot of it. a taxi symbol, a taxi sign. Hey, X-90, taxi. There are... On the front, it does. Pull up in the X-90. I'm aware. I'm aware.

There are in-betweens and there have long been in-between. Tesla's gone all in on cameras. And you can see some of those... Click on this. This is their press photo. Look at that. It has a damn taxi light on the... It does.

You want to hail an EX-90. You go ahead and do that. Which, by the way, here's the counterpoint against what I'm saying. Those exist. Not in use by any Volvo system currently. Yeah, I know. Although I did name EX-90 car. of the year, despite it the fact, because they promised me it would exist.

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When the tariffs go into effect, BMW is going to price-protect the cars for one month. So these BMWs, which will be tariffed at the new rate of God knows what, 25% in theory, but it changes with the wins. These BMWs are going to become incredibly more expensive for BMW to make, and for one month, BMW is going to price-protected. Now, after that, they basically, they didn't outright say it. They said, we will reevaluate, but the implication is they will not.

And so that's going to change the pricing of these vehicles quickly. The OEMs will have to change pricing. And whether they change just pricing on impact of vehicles or whether they change pricing on their entire model line to make the savings equivalent for them, it's going to be inevitable. You can't eat 25% increase in the cost. There's just no way they got 25% of cost in this car.

So you have to pass some of it along to the consumer, which every economist agrees will happen. It's interesting they're doing this. Clearly, they think that they're either going to be very short-lived. Or they think that there's some benefit once they go into effect to waiting a month and trying to get additional sales that month. It's one of the two. It's an interesting situation.

I presume all of this car's competitors are not built in Canada or Mexico. I wouldn't, I, oh, who knows? Some components are. But are Caymans, like, are European cars also targeted at the moment? No. No. But there are other tariffs that impact Europe. Yeah.

And so I would not be shocked that that changes. This whole thing is a complete disaster. And it's going to be a real disaster for the auto industry. And I understand Trump's idea of trying to get. manufacturing jobs back to the U.S., that's not going to happen by April 1. I mean, the concept of it is so silly, and if these tariffs go into effect, this is going to be incredibly damaging. You know, it's funny because President Trump ran on, one of the things he ran on was the

previous guy increased the prices of stuff. Yeah. He's about to. There's inflation. Yeah. There's no way around it. Yikes. Unless, except for cases where the manufacturer is willing to eat that entire cost.

They just can't for a long. There's no point doing it for long. They're not selling cars for practice. Also, like, you know the other part. They probably have a month of inventory in the U.S. Yeah. They're not going to eat the price. They're not going to eat a single.

No, but I presume it's going to be based on when the car came over and maybe they'll base it on. Who knows how they're going to even do what they just, what they said. Or how President Trump's going to do it. The whole thing's insane. And it'll be interesting to see how these cars are affected and Tacomas and everything else. Credit to BMW, they got a positive news story out of it. They got a positive news story. A brief positive news story out of it.

To be clear, no automaker has said exactly what new pricing would be. automakers don't know what's going to happen and I think a lot of these automakers are still thinking it isn't going to happen and I'm increasingly thinking it might okay next news story please ah yes some sort of electric vehicle

in China again must be Filippo story this is a good story is a BYD are you familiar oh yes of course it goes your dreams I build my dreams they announced on the Lexus LX configure it goddamn right

they announced this week that they've had a break through in a combination of battery technology and like charger technology basically, where they're rolling out two vehicles that are actively for sale right now or will be shortly in China that will be able to do one megawatt charging, so 1,000 kilowatt charging. Wow. Right now the fastest, basically what that means is that they'll be able to charge something like 250 miles of range in five minutes. Think about that. Yeah.

If you can charge 250 in five minutes, that's it. That's on par with that. There are no more boundaries to EVs at that point, except like we don't like how they sound. We don't like how they look, whatever, which are reasonable. But it's done. There are no more boundaries for the user experience. Yeah, there are a lot of boundaries in terms of infrastructure to support charging that can do that. To that point, BYD is rolling out for the first time ever their own charging network in China.

Wow. Because they recognize that there aren't trailers that can do. A lot of people, whenever the charging electric cars come up, a lot of misinformed people like, the grid, the grid. But in this case, what about the grid? I can't get a megawatt at my house. No. So, like, is this even beneficial? There's a reason that BYD is building a charging network.

Right. Because presumably they can put them places where the... But every time I go to one of these EV launches, the automakers always say to me that 92% of consumers do 92% of their charging at home. So like, the charging networks appreciate it. If you could do it in five minutes, maybe you wouldn't necessarily charge at home, right? That's the point. That's exactly right.

Then it would eliminate that fear that people have of like, I want to do 500 miles and I can't do a road road road road road road. Well, it's like, well, it's like, well, it's like... Even honestly, 10, I would be amazing. But fundamentally, you stop at a gas. Pumping isn't a full five minutes unless you're in a kuntash, but it's close. Yesterday, I had the... In California. Yesterday, it took me 20 minutes to get five gallons, and so much fuel got onto the ground.

Misguided California BS policy. For those that don't know, in California, gas nozzles need to have a little tube thing that needs to be engaged to prevent emissions. There is a seal on the fuel nozzle that goes into the car to make sure that fuel and fuel vapors don't go everywhere. Which is totally reasonable and scientifically makes brilliant sense. But like so many bad California policies, they don't think about the 5% of people for whom this screws. And it screws all vintage car owners. And so when you try to stick the fuel nozzle into the car, well, I don't know, 2%. Regardless, I guarantee that I got more fuel on the ground at the filling station by my house yesterday than all of the fuel mazzles in San Diego County saved yesterday.

There's nothing that I can do. And dude, I tried every different, every different, every different, combination of possibility. It just doesn't work for old cars. Probably isn't advisable, but isn't there some sort of attachment people like vintage car owners have to like... It would be nice if there was. I could fill a gas can and then put it in the car, but like,

I'm just trying to fill up my damn car. And yes, some vapors will go out because I have a vintage car, but instead, I'm telling you a quart of fuel, a quart of gas. Let me tell you. Having been behind your car, when it's running, there's a lot of vapor coming out of the back of that car. Anyway, just trash policy.

But anyway, but BYD will save us all. That is a really notable charging speed improvement. With some battery tech improvement, but fundamentally more like charging technology and like how they do motors for charging. May I ask you the obvious question? Yeah. Do we believe them? Good question. Yeah.

Remember they told us they made that electric car that jumps? Yeah. Like that deep AI, deep fake. YD to their credit is one of the most well-known EV brand, legitimately. The market believes them. their stock went up notably. I do think that there is... Tesla lies all the time,

and their stock always goes up. It's a great situation. I think that the... Remember, Theranos? Is this that? I believe this is actually accurate. I would be way more skeptical. I would be way more skeptical if they said they had some, like,

large battery technology development change. That's not what this was. It was a bunch of incremental improvements to existing, like, how you charge an EV. Well... And so I do believe them, and it's exciting. That is a... There are any cars that you've reviewed.

The new Tycon is one of them. that are on 800-volt infrastructure. Yeah, they can charge quickly. In 20, 30 minutes, you charge. There have been cars that are in like the 100 mile per five-minute range charging. This is not that big a leap, but it is a milestone for sure. If it's doable, it goes back to what I've said on so many of these podcasts, which is the Chinese continue to run with a huge advantage

because they have these massive incentives to make EVs in China, and we in the States remain behind. If B.YD breaks through at five-minute charging and we're still in the dark ages with our mock-ease, this is another example of why the U.S. government should be subsidizing electric vehicles, as much as I hate, as much as in some parts of me, the capitalist in me sometimes hates to say it, we want to win. And if they're charging EVs in five minutes, they are winning.

$35,000 car, I can charge it five minutes and it has a taxi thing in the roof. Okay, next two story, please. Oh, how lovely. A fellow on a modded 360 with South Dakota plates. Seems about right. What's the news story here? Shockly, this one isn't actually.

It's totally. It's me, once again. In the last year, 40% of new Ferrari buyers. So buyers new to the first time owning a new Ferrari are under 40. Yeah. I mean, a year ago, that was 30%. Yeah. This is notable.

It's hugely notable. And it goes back to some of the stuff we've been talking about with Ferrari's changes and how they're making and selling cars. You know, I made this big deal about how Ferrari's screwing themselves over because they're making all these SF90s and selling to people who aren't going to be able to get the newer, the exotic cars. I didn't care. They're just trying to sell cars.

And they're getting new buyers who are young, which is rare. Think about it. The people that buy expensive cars aren't generally that young. Yeah. I once said, I built my cars for young men, yet only old men can afford them. But the thing is, Ferrari has changed their strategy entirely. It used to be you had to get on a five-year waiting list to get one. They are completely going away from that.

They want to sell cars to people. And this thing also says only 80% of sales are to existing customers, which means that basically a quarter of Ferraris are going to new buyers. A couple of years ago, new buyers really didn't have access. to new Ferraris. And that is totally changing. They always had access to California. To be clear,

but pre-California, they did it. I think they're selling a lot of it's clear based on their sales numbers from last year that said that they were selling a lot of hybrids. That's the 296. Well, and they're selling the... And the SF-90. Because I think new buyers can walk into a dealer

and get an SF-90 tomorrow. I'm sure they are, there are ones sitting around that they are desperate to get rid of. It is interesting. I have said so many times, Ferrari's changing the strategy. This isn't good for them. In the end, I think they change the strategy

in a way that it will still be good for them. They are reaching new buyers. It isn't going to be the Ferrari that we knew before where you had to get on a list and there was, there was value in that, but instead they have new people coming in who they're selling cars to. There is a real concern that you guys have voiced before that, will there still be as many children that were passionate about Ferrari? Here's a 10-year-old, 12-year-old, I don't know, driving a 360 or in a 360. Sitting in a three-section. Sitting in a three-section. Manual one, though. Will that happen? Will there be kids that want to sit in an

an S-F-90s the same degree. Maybe and maybe not, but they'll see more around. It's less about the kids and more about, does the brand get devalued if they're just selling cars to anybody who walks in the door? Well, also, to be clear, like, I think a lot of kids who fell in love with four, I fell in love with, I think it's often been the poster cars. Sure. Which means that, like, so, like, in this case, like,

maybe this kid's dream Ferrari is a Daytona SP3, because that was the hottest, craziest Ferrari at the time. For a lot of people was the F-40 or the F-50. not many people had a Mondiol on their wall, but they sold those to people eventually. The FAD, I'm sure, will be equally appealing. Yeah, I'm not even going to touch that one. But, like, I think that...

No, I think it will have appeal. It will be different. As long as they continue to be, like, effective in Formula One, I think for the diehard enthusiasts, that's, like, kind of what matters. But... I really think, though, the bigger question is, is less about whether the young people are into it and more about whether the brand cheapens itself

by selling more and more and more cars. It used to be that getting a Ferrari was spats, You were on a list for years, and it was hard. Now we could, anybody with any rich person can get a Ferrari. Right. That definitely makes it less appealing. With the exception of the really special stuff is still going to be incredibly hard to get. So I think they have that going for them.

Whereas like, you know, McLaren, you kind of get any of them. If you wanted a Nelva, thank God, take it off of him. Artura. Any of them. So, like, I think. And so the question there is what happens to the brand? And I think it remains to be seen, but I think Ferrari is taking the risk that it's not like they're tripling their volume overnight. Like they're still going relatively small

and they're just going to try to continue to sell cars to people and make more money. It's a public company. It's what they got to do. And they're reaching younger consumers. Younger people. It's more people. Good for them as long as they can retain them. Today's show is brought to you by Brunt. Boots are just like cars.

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because recently Ferrari filed a patent for a new type of engine. Now, what's interesting about it is that the pistons themselves aren't circular. They're ovals. That is interesting. This is not the first time a manufacturer has done this. Honda did this as well. They also did with motorcycle engines. And the reason that it's so interesting is that basically it makes the engine substantially more compact.

The engines, the pistons can be mounted. Right. The cylinders can be much closer together. Right. So you can end up with a very high efficiency engine. So why didn't anybody do this before? Well, the piston rings are hard to manage. And there are a couple of other engineering reasons why it is very difficult.

But what's interesting about, what's really interesting to me about this diagram is that it's a 12-cylinder engine. Not a six, not an eight. There are 12 pistons. But if they're trying to make it smaller, do you think they're maybe making room for hybrid componentry? I think it's room for hybrid componentry, and I suspect it's also room to be mid-engined. I suspect this engine is going to go in the back of something,

maybe a new testeroza. But what's really notable about this, to me, in addition to how crazy the design is, and they're, like, pushing the envelope of engineering, this will be the first new V-12 they've developed since 2002, which was the F-140 V-20V-12. They then use that in all subsequent V-12. Various variations of it happening.

The 575 and 612, which used the same engine, which was the previous one. That was already, yeah. The F-140 has been in production for, you know, a really long time. 25 years. And so if they're really pursuing a new 12-cylinder engine and it's going to have this cutting-edge technology, assuming they can make it work is Ferrari, who knows? They might file this patent and they can't make the engine work and look a bit of it. It's interesting, though, because the F-80 is using a six-cylinder.

So they're making it, they're creating a 12-cylinder still, but they're not putting it in the flagship car. Might be in the Icona series and not. in the... Yikes. Yeah. That's interesting. Which that speaks volumes, I think, to us in the United. That's interesting.

So, yes, they are making more cars for younger people. Or it's still in an 812 successor. But even then... Even then. You'd be surprised that they don't... If they're making a V12... They're putting an R&D into a 12-cellar engine. And not putting it in the big car.

Engine size and performance aren't directly like... Yeah, but having a V12... In my world, they are. If you're going for pure... You want the fastest car. you don't probably put a V-12 car is incredibly valuable. Not where Ferrari is right now.

They're going after performance. The 12 engines are a core competency engine for that manufacturer. In the same way that flat-sixes are for Porsche, V-8s are for Ford, Mustang. V-12s are for Ferrari. Plus the Super Ferraris have always had V-12s, with a few exceptions. Okay. But nonetheless, really exciting news, can't wait to see how this develops. They certainly never had V-6s.

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We did. I'm going to tell you a story. It's a great story. Look at this picture. This is a picture I took on Sunday. Filippo and I drove out to the desert because God, we're free people. We can do whatever the hell we want. Yep.

We drove out to the desert. And so we're driving along in Palm Springs and Palm Desert there. And I tell Felipe, I say, Felipe, there's this street in Palm Desert called El Paso. It's where all the nice cars are. I say a couple years ago, I was here and I saw a new Ford GT, which is a car you don't really see on the road. I say, we got to go down El Paso. He says, all right, fine, let's go down El Paso. So I turned, I was in a new 9-11.

God knows why. Sounds like a dream. It does. We were in a new 9-11 driving through the desert. Anyway, so we started driving. Like, we're on the street for a block after I had just built it up as this street full of crazy cars. And we see this law for a right. So obviously I freak out as a seasoned former car spotter.

Right. I'm like, oh my God, it's a lot of Ferrari. And Filippo's sitting there like, like, yeah, you know, cars are cars. You know, I don't know. No, I agreed. I saw about a quartermaster. So I you turn and I go back to it. as fast as I possibly can, and then I have to do another

sharp U-turn. I do this crazy sharp you turn in the new 9-11, and then an alarm goes off in the 9-11. It goes, whew, weo, weo, and then the hazard lights go on. Like, I'm trying to steal the car, because I had just done the sharp turn. We think it was because, like, it thought it had been in an accident or something. But the turn idea wasn't insane. Like, it's what you would do on a track. Exactly.

Known as one of the best, most balanced sports cars of all the time. You did a hard turn, and it thought it got an accident and a lot. So anyway, so regardless of this, now, the alarm is going off, wee, weo, and the hazard lights are on, and I'm chasing this lot of Ferrari down the road like a, like I'm a cop trying to pull him over, and my Porsche will ask for the siren. Anyway, so eventually he parks, and actually the very next, the very next turn in, he parks. So go to the next, are all the pictures in here?

No, just the one. Oh, we don't have all the pictures? They're beautiful photos. They actually weren't. But the fella got out of the car. It was an old guy, and he got out of the car, and I don't really talk to the people. I don't, I don't really hear. did have a red 9-11 chasing the alarm going off.

But the guy pulled over and he tried to go into an art gallery that was closed and he left the car sitting there and it was very exciting. It was. And then somebody opened the fuel filler. You never see a La Ferrari on the street. I haven't seen a La Ferrari on the street. Actually, you and me saw one in Malibu three years ago, probably. I guess it was, yeah. An apparelta.

This is incredible. And I was very excited by the whole thing. And I'm still kind of trying to figure out who was driving. It was from Chicago and I have a buddy up there. and I was like, do you know this guy and he didn't? We got to do some digging. Got to do some digging. It was quite a moment.

For him. For you, it was just another day. He didn't care. And you know what? I was disappointed by the general reaction. People are, oh, it's a lot of Ferrari. Yeah, it's not an FFIT. Like, if you had seen an FFRIE, people are freaking out.

It's still a Ferrari super car. What was the last time you saw a Ferrari supercar? A couple weeks ago? Yeah, a couple weeks ago. Amelian Island? Driving down the street. You're next to a Prius? You see $5 million rolling down the street?

What was the dude doing? It was a Sunday in March. He was out having some fun. I'm glad he drives it. Listen, in Palm Springs, this is the time. We should go car spotting in Palm Springs one day because in the spring, all these people are about to have to go back to the hellish cold places they're from.

Okay? Right. So they all have to go back to Alberta and Minnesota and Manitoba and Illinois. And so they're getting the last little bit of enjoyment out of Palm Springs. They're playing the last rounds of golf. They're playing their last rounds of golf again. They're playing their last rounds of golf again. They're trying to convince their wife.

to let them play out of yet another round of golf, and they're driving their lot of Ferraris. Man, how special. It was special. It is, yes. It is. Again, not my favorite of the Ferrari supercars, but to see one just like driving.

In fact, your least favorite, I presume. Oh, don't make a few of us. Oh, no, not yet. Not yet. It's not yet my least favorite. No, yeah, but it's just special. Someone actually using this car as a car. It's so crazy to see now.

I mean, there have become such investments. I never assumed that I'll see any of these. cars at any point. Yeah, exactly. It's totally insane. And the battery works. It's astonishing. It's not at a dealer.

How did that replace for 260 grand is amazing. That's why they had a prominent dealership thrown on the banana in the back. I'm glad the dealer did that for them. Montana plates like they all are. Yep. Okay. Next talk cars story is from Felipe. Philippe, you're going to talk about earthwind and fire, whatever the colors were

on that car? No, but I do want to talk about electric vehicles. Electric vehicles. Great. All right. Have you noticed that there are, for most, of like the higher-end electric vehicles. The Model S is, the Model X, the Cyber Truck, the R1S, the R1T,

I'm going to run out. All those, right? Help me out here. They all have an incredibly high-performance version. Yeah. Yes. The plaid is incredibly fast. The Lucid Air Sapphire is a $250,000 for electric motor vehicle.

The R1S has a three motor and a four-motor version. You can't tell any of them apart from the base version of that car. Yeah. It's absolutely. Visually. Visually. Whereas an M3. Right.

3 you can tell. An M5, you can tell. An R5 turbo, man, can you tell? Yes. And that is to me when we were driving back from the desert. Pull up, you know, I want to argue with you a little here. What is? Go back to the site.

Okay, sure. You can see a platform. Type in Model 3 performance. Model 3 performance. Are you going to go for the plate frame that says all-wheel drive? Folks, look at the vast distinction. It's a sea of differentiation. Click on this blue one.

Which, by the way, has real. horsepower and faster. This car, compared to a regular Model 3, this car has... I think the wheels are maybe different, but you can get performance wheels on a base? Well, um... Yeah.

You know, uh... But like, like, why doesn't... I agree completely. Why doesn't... Certainly Tesla, but I get that because they want to produce a few as panels possible, but why doesn't Rivian try to differentiate their highest-powered R-1S, which is like a G-63... It's a better performance.

Rivian sells a G-63, but they don't tell anybody about it. Or the Sapphire. Saffire admittedly has wider track, but that's it. The Sapphire has a few differences because the tires are so big and all that. And even the regular air is so cool that they don't need to distinguish that. But the Rivians are really the best example. Type in R1S, and it's like wild. I totally agree.

You can't tell. You have no idea whether you're looking at the large battery, the quad motor, all-wheel drive. Quad-motor. Or the dual-motor new one. It kind of doesn't know. It is a story out of as old as time from automaker playbooks. If you want people to get the cool version, you put more power in it, but also you make it look cooler so that when they're driving around,

everybody knows how rich they are and how cool their car is. This is the basis one. You can't tell. You can't tell. Which is good if you're buying the base one, I guess, but very bad if you're spending Azure 30 grand. It's hard to convince people to spend more because even the base R1S has more power than whatever car they were coming out of.

So what's the point of going for the crazy one if people don't even know? Right. You need to different, Rivian, take her advice. differentiate the models, make them look different. They're going to come out with a quad motor one big. I do assume, though, that the reason is, like you said, they're going for some production. Do you want to sell cars or do you not want to sell cars?

Well, they're selling either way. Do you want to sell your highest profit margin, which presumably are the most expensive ones? They are selling either way, but you do want to try to get people to go into your highest margin cars. Assuming their highest margin. Yeah, well, they must be. And, like, this is just the easiest thing in the world. Have they really done the research and found that making a few new panels and different wheels

is not worth, I mean, charging an extra 25. If I was getting a Rivian, I would get a base model, and I would just, I would tell people it's a quad motor. Even on cars where you can't tell that he's a hat over them. Like your stick on the super. Is it, does a Mercedes CL66 look that, excuse me, CL65 look that different from a 55? Wow, rare models.

No, I don't think so. You saw a V12 Mercedes yesterday. I knew it entirely. Wheels change. Wheels change at the least, and there's some, like, treatment. It's not even body panels. It's just some treatment. Around the car.

And the EV manufacturers need to do the same thing if they want to sell those. I agree. I think it's crazy. I think it's crazy. Okay, next, I think that's a various point. I think it's wild and I think it's really surprising. I'll call me up. I want to take a moment to tell you about another podcast you should absolutely check out.

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Talk Cars segment. I already hear that Lexus Racing was about a year ago, the sponsor of the podcast. Well, yeah, we're not actually sponsored by Lexus. I don't think. To my, no, I don't pay attention to a lot of that stuff. Except for what he does that, right, of course. Okay, close a session.

I bought a year ago, I bought a Sequoia. In the last year, I've been talking about how I'm off cars. I now have behind me the new Lexus LX overtrail. They sent it to me for the week, I think, just to screw with me. Yeah, not because it's a new model or anything. Well, there was that component of it. I suppose. Now I want one desperately. I now wonder if

I made a mistake with the Sequoia. I've been pricing the difference between the two. It's pretty significant, actually. It has everything that the Sequoia lacks style class. Why can't you just admit you're always on cars? You're never off cars. You say you're off cars, but

that you just lie. It's like the Italian government generally. You just lock it. No, no, no. Look, look. Here's the deal. Here's the deal. I'm not on cars. However, I drive around in the overtrails LX, and I think to myself, I really wish I had this vehicle. And I'll tell you, there's a... How much it better can it be?

Okay, it solves every problem I have the Sequoia. Except the fact that it's eight inches shorter, which is... That is one of the biggest problems that it solves. The Sequoia is simply too big. Remember when you had the Sequoia, we spent a long time in front of your house, moving the seats around to figure out, could it fit six people and a stroller? And the answer was barely. But it does. And that's hard, actually.

Not a lot of cars can hear that. Eight inches? Remove that. It was actually six people in two strollers and it was able to do it. remove eight inches and you can't. Yeah, but the problem is, the problem with the sequoia is, with those extra eight inches,

I actually don't take it anywhere because it is simply too large. It is too large to drive around. So that would be one problem at solve. It's also always in four-wheel drive. I hate that the Sequoia is in two-wheel drive until you put it in four-wheel drive because it's like,

how much is it raining that I should put it in four? Is this enough? That's stupid. There's no other SUV like that. There is no other SUV like that. That explanation for why matters to you is also insane. I hate the game cluster situation in the Sequoia. It's not configurable enough.

It doesn't show me music. They don't even have music on there. I hate... He has to get a bowl and put his phone in it, and that's how he listens to me. The ride quality is so much better in this. Even though it's still boff, that's body on frame. It's an industry term. I just...

It's still body on frame. That is the nicest riding body on frame vehicle I've ever driven. It's still about 20 times worse than an X-7, but it's the nicest riding body-on-frame vehicle I've ever driven. Yeah, that's another thing. It's liftable with air suspension. which my Sequoia is not, so I could get even extra ground clearance out of it. It has triple lockers, which the Sequoia does not. It has front rear and center lockers, the overtrail only.

Fine. And crucially, it has how much extra horsepower? 20. 20 extra horsepower on the same fork. The power train is identical for all intents. So, now. Why don't you just buy one? Because it's 50 grand more.

That's a lot of money. Okay. And second... Sorry, the Sequoia Tierty Pro isn't a cheap vehicle. Well, it was 83 grand, and I felt that was too much. This is 50 grand more? This is 116. And my sequoia is not worth 83 anymore.

That's worth 73 probably. So it would be a 50 grand swapsing math, but okay. Well, that's how it works. Wow. It's a 50 grand swapski. Now, they offer it in this color called Desert. And I know what you're thinking. No, it's Earth.

I'm sorry. That bed almost worked. Did I make a mistake here? This didn't exist when I bought my squad. I feel, I want this car. For the record, the LX-600, which is the same except for the hybrid, did exist. It did, but it was too expensive. And then I was so worried when the GX-550 came out.

Hey, it had a press car. That you would like, because it was like a month after you bought the Sequoia. I was so worried about that. I didn't think I had to be worried a year later about an LX-700-H. I mean, fair. You go through the stage all the time. Whether it's this car or you'll... The off-road G-LS, which was literally a month ago.

You really wanted an offer. There was only one day. And you know what the difference with that was? We found out the off-road package from the GLS doesn't have what I need. And the moment I realized that, I never thought about it. How deep did you go? before you realized. Deeper than I wish,

but it's a whole thing with Mercedes-Benzhen. Does the Sequoia not just do enough? Why can't you just be satisfied with that? I understand it. The Sequoia looks stupid. Yeah, it does, but... To be fair.

It's too late. Have you seen the F4 LX? Yes, it is. Here's the thing. Here's the thing about this. The thing that may kill the LX, though. The thing that may kill the LX is the self-driving.

So the Sequoia... I'm going to frame... How do I frame this in a way that's consumer-friendly? Okay. The Sequoia's self-driving allows you to not necessarily... necessarily be looking forward.

I always do, of course. It is less restrictive in what it allows the driver. On a closed circuit with a professional driver, he's not looking for it. So, for example, the Sequoia has the greatest self-driving tech in the whole industry, and the reason for that is because you only need to rest skin on the steering wheel. And if you're doing that, it will drive for you. You don't have to be looking forward. This car, I think you have to be looking forward.

If you're wearing sunglasses, if you have highly reflective sunglasses, it's helpful. Just so disturbed by the. phrase rest skin. Is that an industry term? Well, because in theory it has to be a hand. But what do we have gloves on? Well, you know, I think it's capacitive. So capacitive gloves would work.

But anyway, the LX, I think, requires you to be looking forward. I bet it does. I think this is a rational thing to say. If I want self-driving, I don't want to also have to be looking forward. The whole point of self-driving. I agree. We're in a weird period of time. So you drive in that thing.

selfly and then it says look forward and it's like aren't you driving that would be like asking your passenger to be hey man no you can't you can't change the way you got to keep looking you got to keep looking ahead and your passenger's like well but aren't you driving that's a fair point we're not we're in a weird period of time where there's claims about the efficacy of self-driving but the systems aren't there yet and so and the legislation certainly isn't there yet so you're required to be right monitored and the sequoia is So just before that. The Sequoia's just before it all.

So the Sequoia's got the perfect self-driving system. And the LX, I don't know yet. I haven't tested it yet, but I'm going to test it right after this. You're not going to do this. Because it's too much money. And I'm off car. 50 grand is a big. I'm off cars.

I'm off cars. I'm not too much. I just, this is all more. It's just, it's every time. And if it's not this, it says, oh, do I need the 4D tree? Yeah, absolutely need the 4D2. Yeah, do I need the couragey team more? Absolutely, absolutely the greatest.

No interest in no interest in changing out those. Except for like once a month. And then once a month he says us, then he drives whatever it is. And he says it's the great thing remains. He's going to drive the Sequoia for the first time in like five months soon, and then he'll love it again. Well, you know, I would, but it's too big. Kenan, tell us about the F1 race situation.

Yes, I'm so excited. So this summer I'm going to France from my friend, low voice, Luke, his voice is crazy. Low, you both have met him. He's getting married in LaMage, France. I'm getting married in France. He sounds like this. His voice is actually this. Hey, Kenon, what's up?

His voice is actually that low. I'm told that Luke is a listener. He's joined us today. Nice to see out there. Luke or in your language. Nice to see you out there. Yeah, yeah. Great to see you too.

Okay, so he's getting married in France. Is that even a legal wedding? Yes. They're getting married to the U.S. first and then they're having another ceremony there. My goodness. Anyway, we're basically, all of us, all of our friends are like descending on France to go to this. Setting on France.

Yes. Happened in 1944. Oh. It's like next year. Anyway, yes, the whole band of brothers is getting together to celebrate Luke's wedding, which is very exciting. But everybody has turned this into a trip, and I started looking around the day so it was going to happen. And I happen to discover that Spall Francahomm, my favorite race, Formula One race of the year, is the following weekend. So I looked into buying tickets, and I bought him.

I'm sitting at the base of Urooge in one of the grandstands there so I can see that in Radio. Do you think we'll have a cute park there? Nice. Despite no one will understand that reference. I do, though. Q50? Q50. Despite the fact that it's called Frank Archam and it's, and the corner is called O'Rouge,

it's actually in Belgium, where I think they speak German. And if they don't, they at least have the German flag on their flag. Well, Belgium exists just so that England and Germany can work out there with their differences. So you're going to the F1 race. Have you been to an F1 race before? Yes, this will be my third. I went to, I went to Austin, I went to the Circuit of America several years ago, and then I went with our friend Sam to his bachelor party in Montreal.

In Montreal. But this is the first European F1 race. This is like taking the Kuntash back to Santagata. This is the one. This is like for me, this is my, it's my favorite race of the year. Really? And it has been for the... So I got flayed a little bit last time.

I apologized to the fans of Braun Racing, but I forgot they were the first team to win, like as a rookie team, like won. Yeah, complained. I phillade. I apologize about that. I did forget about Braun. But I've watched Formula One for, since 2008. I've been a fan of the long.

So you saw that, Braun, that was 09, that was 09, that Bron won. I forgot, yes. But yes, I was disappointed. You were disappointed. Look, I have never seen Farrow win a championship my entire life. That's something to think about.

I'll be 18 years. So wait, why is it your favorite race? What about the Belgian Grand Prix? It's incredibly fast. It's incredibly challenging. And the conditions change. One. Some tracks are faster than others.

This one is particularly fast. Abu Dhabi, they got speed bumps. It's a slow track. No, but Austria, the curbs are kind of speed bumps. But it is, it's known for its speed. it's known for its constantly changing conditions because it's so big, it rains there a lot.

And rain is one of the great, is the great equalizer that's known. It means that other teams can kind of get in the mix. And this year already, the first Formula One race was last week in Australia, which I also realize is not where Formula One always starts the races, but it has been for a very long time. But it was chaos. It was rain, and it was insane. It rains in Australia?

Yes, there were five rookies, I think, on the circuit this year, and four of them have crashed out. But not only them, like experienced drivers crash out, too, It was just a melee. So you're hoping for rain. You always hope for rain with Formula One. Even if I'm sitting there drenched, but sitting there at spa,

watching rain would be crazy. I hope it's not as much rain as well as a couple years ago when they had to like cancel or something. That would be unfortunate. But just to be there, like, it's so cool. So if you're going to spa or if you're one of our three Belgian listeners who also, who we didn't offend already,

which I presume you're already turning on. But if you're there, Kenan will be there. Go find him and talk to him about M5s. I'm going to be driving a, very special car that I don't want to talk about just yet that I'm driving to the wedding. Is it a Lincoln Continental?

In Europe, that would be wild. Is it a Lexus LX 700H over trail in Earth? You know, when I think Europe, that's the vehicle in Europe. Let me tell you something. When I was in Europe last year, a year ago, I saw a Lexus GX with California plates. Wow. Somebody took a Lexus SUV to Europe.

Amazing. Okay. Kenan, I'm proud of you. I'm excited for you. Actually, you were part of the impetus for this. You said, Kenon, if you don't go. do this. He was like, I might go to Monaco instead.

I'm like, if, not the race, but just to go to Monaco. I was like, if you go to Monaco to see rich Russians driving supercars around at seven miles an hour instead of a Formula One race, I will personally kill you. I'm going to do them both. I'm going to, I will still do that. I mean, you say that, yeah, we freak out about, you freak out about like car shows about seeing an F-40 driven around, like, you said the ice. When I made that proclamation, though, it was one or the other.

And I was, if you do them both, that's great. That'd be cool. You know, and I think I can do Stuttgart as well and see the Portia Museum and the Mercedes-Benz Museum and then go up. And in Monaco, you might see a CLGG. Okay, you never know. You know how Mercedes Goalwings or Portia 959s will typically always be valuable and continue to go up in value?

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Tell us your thoughts. Did you watch the video? No, I watched that. Of course you did. Not yet. I've been busy. It's an amazing video. It came out yesterday.

I know that about a million people, literally a million ads filming, have seen it. I am not one of those. I'm sorry, I'm busy. You'll watch, though. I got the bravada coming up. And that's one for you.

I will legitimately watch a video. You'll watch the Lex LX overtrail video. I phoned me. I found me I had one on Earth. Anyway, I did the CLK GTR video. It was really popular. Very interesting car, very interesting video. Huge response, just like the Aston Valkyrie,

which finished ninth at Sebring. And I find it to be... It's an important thing, an AV-12 car finish ninth of Cibre and it's going to Lamont. It's very important. You didn't want to talk about it, but we're talking about it. The CLK GTR video went up. It was huge.

And I'm glad that everybody loved it so much. It was a very special thing. I've now reviewed an enormous portion of like the craziest cars. And this was definitely one on my bucket list of cars I really, really wanted to review. Huge shout out to Faster LLC. Faster is the YouTube channel who

had the car and lent it to me. It's a big risk to lend an idiot, a car. We only drove it for a little bit. I didn't push it. I don't care. People are like, oh, you didn't drive it hard. Yeah, you do it. You get in a $10 million car and drive it out. I'm all sell. Watch your video. But it was amazing. Also, to just show it off,

because I think most people have no idea how anything works in this car. It's cool to be up close with it. If the Valkyrie is a 10 on the create, which one, which got ninth at the two rings, you know. If it's a 10 in craziness, where is the C-Locat? Less. The Valkyrie is the craziest thing I've ever, I've ever. Where does it?

How does it compare it to Asthmaelma on Lagonda? The Vaganda, that was so cool, man. Yeah. But. You're talking about the Tahrath? No, no, not the Tahrath. I would have said it's rough. Liganda. I know.

Liganda, 80s, Liganda, and the Vector W8 are still. the greatest videos, but CLKJ and McLarenF1. Sometimes, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to confess something. Sometimes late at night when I got nothing else to do, I'll put on one of my old videos. It's a car that's insane enough. I get it. And I think to myself, God, this guy is annoying. Okay.

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Kenan, I'm going to kick us off. Can you go to S65 AMG, please? Yeah. We sold one yesterday. There's a 2015 S65 AMG. No way, man. Twin Turbo V12 with 621 horsepower and more torque than like five of the cars in the office come on. 738.

Yeah. What's the mileage on this beast? Go down? And it's in Oklahoma. But it's an incredibly highly equipped car. Scroll down to equipment. It has literally any equipment you might possibly want. Oh, the rear seat package.

Right. And then the executive version package, because the regular rearcy package, not executive enough. Not executive enough. So the executive package has a power calf rest. Correct, important.

Philippo doesn't even have calves. He's that poor. I only have full-grown cows. I was hoping you'd make the couch. Is it a license plate V12 AMG? In Oklahoma, that's available. Yeah.

So it's the only one. Here's a 2015-9-65-M-G for 30-3-000. Go back to that picture. In a field. He took the picture. This is so Oklahoma. You literally went to a cow pastor. There's a literal cow.

It might be a calf. We don't know. It needed the support. It's fascinating me how cheap these are because a 2015 E-63 AMG wagon, which is probably the most expensive, like, other AMG in there, is a same money. Same money. Or you get a V-12 with all the equipment in the world. But a hundred thousand mile E-63 wagon is that price, too.

You're right. You're right. The interior doesn't seem that. These interiors don't wear. You know, it's interesting. Mercedes had that horrible spate of bad quality cars from like 99 to 2009. Since then, no one talks about it, but since then, Mercedes-Benz interiors have become the gold standard again. It is amazing how little they show where.

This is a 10-year-old car with 100,000 miles. And even in the front, it's amazing to me how little Mercedes-Benz interior can wear. The pattern helps a lot. The pattern helps, but like this, this. It looks good. Dude, you get into 100,000-mile Chevy Tahoe. You've got seven holes in the seats and foam is coming out to a lot. level where you're worried that your dog is going to find it and eat it.

I do totally get that. So I'm not, I'm used to E663 sedans and S63 AMG sedans being valueless after a while. But this is a V12 and it's worth less than a much less unique, much less rare wagon. It is funny. The V12s should be have more repriments. Even though they're very special, they don't hold their value. But it should. With the exception of like the G65, the G65.

A couple of the V12s and like the Pagani's, well, some of the cars with this motor. All right. My point being, like, the Black Series, some of the cars this motor do hold their value, but it is interesting, given those exist, that you can buy the same motor for not much money. And people are going to say, well, it's unreliable. Well, it's probably unreliable in the SL-655 Black Series, too. I mean, it's the same engine. I wouldn't say that the engine...

But those are 350 grand. I would say the engine's unreliable. I mean, this one, I've seen, I mean, this engine's been in production for a really long time. And they get miles. They get miles. Yeah, and yeah, clearly, good smiles. I think that other components on the car might become questionable. Well, shout out to the...

Shout out to the owner for selling it just before 100K, $998. I got to let go. It's a rule, clearly. The panoramic roof is broken. Panoramic roof. Go to the flaws. There's not, otherwise not that insane. Yeah, a couple of accidents.

Needs tires. And they got inspected. Two miners on the carfax, not a big deal. I mean, but like, this is not unique. If you go back out to the results, we've had other S-65s in the same price point. Yeah. Legitimate. Yeah.

This is what they're worth. How many miles around now? How many miles around that one? 90,000. 90,000 in North Carolina. And I find that to be. be insane. So there is a floor. You know which one I really wanted? I begged the guys to take this. We thought the reserve was too high and it was. It didn't sell. This blue color is the coolest thing

in the world. Don't you think? An S-65 is cool. But they're all black. They're all black, silver, white. Having one that's actually a special color, going past someone at 200 miles an hour in blue, that's like, I got a lot of money and I don't care. This is like Nick Roshan should have bought this car. Yeah, yeah. He's afraid of it, though. Right. I agree. Those are surprisingly cheap. This is a 221, but your point is about 222s and you're right. Canon, you got a market report for us? Yes. We've sold a number of very interesting manual transmission cars recently.

We sold a big V-12 V-Vansion 6-speed, which was rare and very special. But this one, this is incredibly unusual. So this is an, as I always forget the chassis of this, it's F-13. F-13, I think is the convertible. Thank you. I knew it was, yeah, I knew. It's okay, some of those no BMWs. He waked.

He wicked. He winked. Oh, he winked. Well, that you know, the credibility is gone with the wink. It's just odd. But anyway, most people, including you, did not realize that these are available with a 6B amount of remit information. Only for the North American market, though. I really thought they didn't offer these mistakes.

I mean, I knew by the time, it was years ago we had the conversation, but I was astonished. Yes, they are exceedingly rare. And the fact that this one is a color with a 6B. And it's a convertible. I know people want coups and the sedan was also the M6 Grand Coupe sedan was also available to stick. I know people want the sedan or the coop, but like in SoCal we want a convertible. you will never find another M6 convertible with a stake. Ever.

Boy did the people who bid on this car and knew that. And it sold for 42, which most of these cars now are probably, I guess, selling into, yeah. That's a 10. No, what's a tip? Look it up. What's an M6 at F, yeah, 12, 13. So let's see. I mean.

We sell a lot of the V10s. We sell an awful lot of V10. Oh, this was also a manual, but it was a coup. We don't sell that many non. Turns out. Here's a grand coup that sold for only 22. And that's the most desirable buy-stance. So here's a, here's one that convertible for 20.

So there worth 20. So there worth $20. So the stick doubles the value of the car. There's one for 25. Yeah. So, yeah, doubles the value. What was the mileage on the blue one? It's 51,000.

So, like, not low necessarily. But it's just, this is, I won't, everybody tells me it's like, oh, the DCT is so much. But, I mean, it's true. BMW designed this car to work with the DCT. No question. But the fact that these exists, everybody knew it would help hold this value. And boy, is that evident. And what a cool car you end up with.

You get to row your own and, like, crazy rear-old. And this is a car. that I think a lot of people truly would not think they exist. I think that by the time these M-cars came out like these, it was gone. But there were M-6s, there were M-5s, F-10M-5s. They did it. And they come up very occasionally on cars and they bring the money. And they bring the money.

Admitted, this is because I knew it existed every time I see when I still walk fine and look in the window, go, huh? And it's never. Yeah. But if I looked at it and saw a stick. To be clear, I actually like the automatics. Yeah, yeah. It fits the car, but this is cooler. But this is, yeah, exceptionally cool.

Okay. We got to move on to questions, questions, questions. Now, questions are sponsored by Kennan. And Kenan, personally, he wrote us a check. Thank you so much. No problem. Kenan is going to make a personal appearance in public this weekend at the San Diego Cars and Coffee at Elite Finish.

I want to say more like the location of the time. I don't have time. We've got to move on to questions. But Kenan will be there. I will say hi to him. You chat about his M5. Yes, I don't bite. My M5 will be there too.

Okay. First question. From Joey 12. Joey 12. Doug, you said your cars are no longer at the cars Bid's headquarters. They're at your new garage at your house. Can we get a video of the new garage? No. I don't do personal. Yeah. I don't need people coming by. Let me tell you, I've watched enough Stradman content to know you don't want to film anything at your house. Because

Stradman says people come by every single day. That's a lot. Go by Kennan's house. No. It's great stuff over there. There's great stuff over there. Okay. Next question. Question for everyone. What is a car that Apple Absolutely, this is from Kennan's sidepiece, by the way. Sorry, Emily. Question for everyone, what is a car that absolutely deserves the hate, and what are some cars that are under-hated, that should be hated more? Most McCleons?

The Pontiac Aztec should not be hated. Should not be hated. I should not be hated. I think the car become beloved in a weird way. I do appreciate that it has. Thank you, The Autopian, for helping do that. Well, and Bradwood, for honest. Yeah.

And Doug, with that review. And Doug. What are other cars? People hate the PT Cruiser. Do we think that's over or underhated? It's simultaneously underhated and overhaded. Yeah, it's ironic. If you hate it, I don't agree with that you're hating it too much.

If you're ambivalent about it, you might not hate it enough. What about Tesla? Everybody likes to hate Tesla these days. What do we think about that? It's an interesting thing. Since things have changed politically and Elon Musk has become a little more involved, I've seen a lot of, I bought this car before Elon is going crazy sticker. Everybody has one of those bumper stickers in California now.

They, they knew. I've seen hundreds of those bumper stickers. Nick put one on his bent one. He did. Yeah, well, that's, that's Nicky. You know what car I think is overhated? Two of them are right here in the office. A Prius.

The O4 Prius, I think is overhated. It was a tremendous car. Why does any but we hate that car? It is a tremendous car. It was great in so many ways. I think that people love it. I'll tell you why. It was because it was thrust upon us as this is like,

every celebrity in Hollywood had one to virtue signal that they could. You must buy this car? No, of course not. Every celebrity had one to virtue signal. and went and doing it but then they went and drove around on their bentley's instead that car was taken it was shoved down by who how why everybody no i agree hollywood made a thing of it right it was just seems a weak like little car and it just and it was and people hated it and like it was an easy car enthusiasm was going to die out exactly it was the signal of things to come however 20 years later we know that's not true car enthusiasm is flourishing and that car is such an amazing practical car that you can get for six grand as long as you can keep the catalytic converter in it Right, you might want to lock that one up. If you live in San Francisco, good luck to you.

I disagree with literally everything you've said about the Prius. Except for the fact that it, regardless of how much you hate it, you hate it too much. I don't hate it personally. I love it. It was a great car for the people. One of the things that annoys me about car enthusiasts is that they hate on cars that they're not even intended for. You know, I talk to my parents in a Lexis RX. Car enthusiasts hate that car.

Fine, but my parents aren't cars. It's not who it's for, and it's actually a great car for a lot of people. And that's true of the Prius, plus you can camp in them. What's the second car? The juke. Oh, the juke. The Nissan juke was hated so greatly. In fact, it was hated, this is one time where people screwed.

And this has happened a few times where people have been so hateful that they screwed over themselves. Yeah. They hated the juke. The juke's the stupidest, ugliest, idiotic, stupid, hideous, ridiculous car. And then you know what Nissan did after that? They came out with boring trash because they were so put off by the fact that everybody hated their cool design. They were like, fine, we're going to give you the kicks. Pull up a picture of the kicks.

No, don't. There's all. Look, trash. They did. Boring, bad trash. They overcorrected. They overcorrected, but it is a heinous car that looks like a bug that needs to be squashed. It's hideous.

The second part of what you said is true, about how it looks. Offensively bad. It's not hideous as a result. It's offensive. The interior is. And it's built like absolute garbage. It is a terrible car. Well, Kenan is not coming out.

I'm a hater. I've hated it since it came out. I hate it now. I'll hate it forever. But this is what happened. People hate on cars like the Aztec, like the Jukewer, an automaker takes a risk, and then the automaker says, okay, fine, everybody hates our risk, we're going to go back to making square box boring crap. And then they do. And that's how you end up with the Nissan kicks.

And by the way, drive around, there's rogues everywhere, there's kicks everywhere. You ruined us. You ruined our lives. Nah, they made the R35 at the same time. They could have gone down a different path. They also had infinity to draw from infinity. And they made great-looking cars throughout that period of time. Do something more like that.

Don't just because it was cheap. Cheap cars should be weird. They're not trying to make cheap cars beautiful. There is no such thing as a beautiful cheap car. There's never happened. No such thing is a beautiful cheap car. There's so many beautiful cheap car. There's so many beautiful cheap cars.

Name two, the Fiat Panda. That is one. But it's not beautiful. Any of the Ford's from the Aston Martin looking like appear. But those cars, the few, I mean those cars are more expensive. The juke is an entry-level little subcompact thing that was trying to mobilize like 23-year-olds in their first job. And they wanted it to be cool and quirky and cute, like the cube, honestly. And then people complain and complain.

And so what Nissan ends up doing is giving us the centra and the kicks and the rogue sport. The rogue sport is one of the great bad things foisted upon human beings. But a pretty good looking car. It is terrible. But it's a pretty good looking car. It is horrible. But it's a pretty good looking car. You get my point.

Cars, you want to know, overhated cars? Anything that was trying to be cool and weird that people hated into oblivion and then we got replaced with boring stuff. Those cars are overhated. The Fiat multiple redesign. Fiat multiple. The Theop Multiplepla is the best example of all time. Quirky, people say they don't like it, though they buy it. And then you have...

And then you get the redesign, which screwed up everything about the original that we love, that platypus mofa. Yep, yep. Okay, next up, some great questions this week. We're going to do a few more, maybe three more. From AB 6002, hey, Doug, any update on the V8 signet? You want to tell the story? Yes, so we talked about it recently.

You explored it with Nick that the Astin-Martin v. There was a signet that was produced by Asin Martin for one cost. and they used an Astor Martin V8 V-8 Vantage. Was it full? Just the engine. Just the engine. Unbelievable, they built one car for us. Built one.

It's how they came up for sale. Tell the story about what happened. You have said if this car ever came up for sale, you would purchase it. I would want it. And I do want him. And you do want it. Well, somebody. So do other people.

It transacted instantly. Gone. Which is a surprise. Sold in 30 seconds, apparently, for full ask, which was about $600,000 United States dollars. Which, yeah, it's a lot for a single. And to be honest. I think it's cool as hell.

I think it might honestly be worth $600. I'm in a position right now where I'm not necessarily trying to spend that on another car. I've got a lot of expensive cars. Plus, the real problem would have, and I'm off cars, except, of course, for one of those in Earth. Oh, my God. Not in caviar? If that one wasn't finished in caviar or perhaps nori, we don't know. That wasn't finished in norri, obviously.

I would just keep it. Also, for your use as a normal signet probably would cover it. The problem also was that importing it, I think, for some. Someone who's off cars, going through that process would have been really annoying. Really agitating. Next question from Nick Whitney Zero. Doug, as you love the cross-country drive, would you ever do a cannonball run? No.

I abide by the laws. There was a time when I thought that would be cool, but it is long past. Can I answer a question that's in here that you're not going to answer? Which question is? There's a question from Minnesota Joe, which is why does the cars and bids app rain money when I shake my phone? Why does the cars and bids app rain money when I shake my phone? Did you know those? No!

It does this. It's great. It's the best. Folks, the Cars and Bids app is so cool that if you shake your phone, it rains money. Do it. Oh, it's raining money. It's raining money. Also, if you shake your phone a bunch, it will eventually try to send a bugger phone. Why does it do this? Because we have a sense of humor? Yeah. You know what? I bet this is the kind of thing people are going to complain about and then we're going to take it out and nobody has ever been going to be a rogue sport. It works. It does work. It's fun. It sometimes it pops up when you don't expect it, which is extra phone. In that like you shook your phone but didn't think. I bought it. And it's so fun, and I love it. I don't usually shake my phone. I've never experienced this in my life. I can't wait to try it. The Cars and Bids app to download it.

You go to... No, I'm sorry, we have to move on. Shout out to our designer and mobile engineer, Brian and Z, respectively, who did a great job. Shut out individual people. I want to shout out to my mom. No, let's do one more question or perhaps, too. Oh, from Pala Ghee. Doug, you don't review the new Tesla Model Y Juniper because you don't like Elon anymore? Dude, is this even out?

Not in the U.S. yet. I haven't reviewed it because it's not available. It cars being sold in China, and the dude's like, why aren't you reviewing it? You hate Elon? Jay Leno, I think may have got one. I don't know, like to review. I think there's a couple of loaners floating around barely.

They're not out of the patient. Jay gets all the good stuff. No, I'll do it. I'll do it. By the way, Tesla has massively lowered existing model Y prices or increased percent of the other. Did you see that? I went on the Waddle Y configuring the other day to compare it against that Audi Q6 that I have right now.

And the prices are wild. The old model Y, you can buy, it's like 20 grand less than the new model Y. They want to clear out all inventory before the new one coming. I will say. Which is in the next month and a half, by the way. The dealer, the non-dealer situation, allowing them to kind of mess with prices, like real time, is a pretty good situation. At the same time, it makes it so public when you do so. And frustrating for people who paid more five months ago.

Or yesterday. Okay. I want to do maybe either two more questions or, one more slow one. Too fast, one slow. AB 6002. Question for Doug and Cannon. Is modern Ferrari's biggest competition coming from within its own legacy? Many enthusiasts seem to prefer Ferrari models from the last two decades. Do you think modern Ferraris will ever be able to capture the magic of their predecessors? My answer to this question is no. I think if you look at the people who are buying new Ferraris,

they don't even know what the old Ferraris are. I drive around my career GT all the time, and people in new Porsches don't even notice it. And I think that happened. Like if you asked a 98% of new Ferrari owners to name the supercar, They couldn't. Like, I don't, I think that there are some people who are, who could afford new Ferraris who are buying old ones. Certainly there are some, but I think the vast majority that is not the case. And certainly there's the young enthusiasts who are buying them and do know about the older cars.

But, no, I totally agree with that. I think it's coming from McLaren and other manufacturers, in Porsche probably, and other manufacturers more so than from within the back catalog. And just buying more crypto. Sure. Okay. Right. Last question. This one's for me and Felipe from Big Skier Guy. What version of the GMT-800 would you buy? And there's a correct answer to this, Flipa. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. We're aligned. We're aligned. Would you buy if you had to purchase a brand new one off the lot? The GMT 800, for those of you don't know, was the General Motors truck and SUV platform from 99 to 05, 06. 06. Oh, 6. GMT 800. Largely bad vehicles that run forever.

No, great vehicles that also run for it. No, but I mean, they had bad interiors. They had giant panel gaps, but they are tremendously durable mofiles. Like, there's not a single one of these that isn't on the road with 9604,000 miles. I suspect I know what the answer is to them. You sure do. The answer is, okay, what are you going to say? Let's say it on what?

Three, two, one. Quadrant stair. Yep, there is. That's it. That's it right there. There's a lot of great GMT 800 vehicles. You know what I was going to say? A Z71 suburban, I would also accept.

Z71 Burr is up there. And I loved it. You know one that you're not ever going to think of? The anteater front suburban that was only sold in Mexico, Kenon, pull it up. God type in Mexico GMT 800 suburban. I bet it shows up. I saw one on the street here in San Diego like three years ago.

It took a picture of it. It was incredible for me. So they offered these, did you know about this? From that gen Silvarado. Right. So the Silverado in the U.S. was facelifted to have this front end. That is my picture. I took that picture.

The Silverado was facelifted in the U.S. It's too grainy, though. Pull it to a different one. The Silverado was facelpped in U.S. in, like, 2004 to have this front end. But for God knows what reason, because it's GM, no, it's none of these. It's only a couple. It's this one. For some reason, they didn't facelift the suburban in the U.S.

But in Mexico and apparently like America, because that looks like Costa Rica. They did. Oh, it's so much worse. It's worse. But it would be so cool. I would flex on you so hard at my head. A quadrister with the four-wheel steering, 2,500, 8.1 liter V8 would be great.

That's the answer. The regular suburban Z-71. That's the second answer. Also looks so good. Or Tahoe. Honestly, a good. That's a good Tahoe also work. God, look at that car.

I know. I know. Dude, when I was a kid, that was a cool thing in the world. But the Anteater, go back to the Anteater. I want to see it again. Or the cat eye, they call it. I closed out of it. You closed this beautiful vehicle.

Look at this. Thank you for watching this week's podcast. It's certainly our best never except for the day. There are GMT 800 fans who are sitting here going, I didn't even know they made that. Yeah, they did. And if I had one, I would flex on Felipe. I would show up in the office.

I'd honk the horn. I would flash the elite, the non, the halogen running lights. Unfortunately, you would be too ugly for you to look at so you wouldn't drive it. It's not an attractive car. I actually think the pickups were pretty attractive. It was worth on the pickups, for sure.

They looked at this and they said, you know, this works on the pickups. It doesn't really work on the SUV. Let's give it to Costa Rica. The regular Gently 100 is such a beautiful classic automobile. Although I prefer the previous gen, which was the GMT 400. Good, Jen. You're wrong.

This was definitely a better vehicle in every way. Okay, that's the answer to our questions. All of our questions. All of them. All of them. The most important ones. Ken, any parting thoughts? This is our 50-second podcast.

This is our 52nd podcast. We've been podcasting for a year, and you want to know something? This was our best episode yet. Goodbye, everyone. I got to talk about EVs. I thought to talk about me, please.