THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Wild Off-Road Mustang Coming? Doug on the Next Lamborghini, and Car Week Recap!

Episode Date: August 23, 2024

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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Felipe. And we're not together. We're in different places, but we're still going to podcast. And there's a lot of news to cover, and we're going to start covering it. Go for it. All right.

First news story. The Volkswagen ID Buzz. Yep. Of course. This is it. Please. Go ahead. No, please, please.

This is an electric van. I love this news story because I think this is one of the most absurd things that's ever happen. This is an electric van that makes everybody happy. Kenan, do you agree that you're happy when you look at it? Yeah, even me. I think it's, I think it's really cute. I'm really excited for it. Do you know what's not going to make you happy, Kenan? I'm guessing the price, Doug. Pricing has been announced. Kenan, I want you to take a guess at what Volkswagen, now keep in mind, this is an electric van with like 36 horsepower. It may be 200. I don't know. But it's, it's an electric van. Like, it's not a Ferrari. It's going to be expensive. I was going to guess

is going to be like almost 70 grand. Like I was thinking it was like $16.9 right around there. The basis model will start at just about $60,000 plus destination. What's more shocking to me is the range. It has a 91 kilowatt hour battery, which is large. Yeah. That's like if the biggest competitor that people are comparing it to as a Kia EV-9 because it also has seven seats.

It's a newer EV. What's the rain? 231 miles. Isn't isn't the base model? just the ID4 drive train? It's rear wheel drive, right? I mean, there's an old drive. And to be fair to them,

it has 234 miles. It's an all wheel drive one that has 231. Okay, but still, that's not a huge number. Now, the big mistake that Volkswagen made in my mind with this, by the way, the reason I think this is such an interesting news story is because we collectively have been waiting for this car for years. Volkswagen invited me to be like one of the very first people to help, like be there to launch the car when it was first done.

That was 17 years ago. That was in, that was March of 22. Okay, so it's been two and a half years since they first showed it off. And there had been rumblings of it before, remember? There's always been talked. Volkswagen's going to come back with the bus and they did all these concept cars. This was years in the making. Okay.

So two and a half years go by. It's out in Europe. I was in Europe this summer. But only the 5C version is. The U.S. version is longer. Well, so this is the big mistake they made. They decided the U.S. market only. wanted the long version.

The drawback being that it doesn't have enough power to motivate the long version, and the short version is way cooler looking. It's like the difference between Felipeo and an ant. Felipe is the cooler looking. Thank you. That's so kind. They didn't sell the short version. Well, now we see the problem.

By not selling the short version in the U.S., you have a bad range, presumably because it's so heavy and the cost of the immense. If they could have gotten this into the 40s with a 250 mile or thing, then we're talking. So the cost is high. That's about 5 grand more than where the Kia EB-9 starts. So it is high. And every other minivan is, what, $40,000? That's where the Siena Odyssey, et cetera, start.

There are no other electric minivans. So who really knows? Yeah, but this isn't, this, Filippo, this is 60. The base model is what? So you said, 62. The base model is 62 with destination. The first edition, which is only available the first year and has some, like, interior changes. It's 67.

and I think to get the multicolored design, you have to be up a trim which is 65 or something of that. It's not cheap. It has 280 horsepower, which is exactly the same as the Odyssey. Wow. But it probably weighs more.

The range is the big problem. Like that just not enough range, frankly. The ID4 starts at 39-735. But the big difference with the ID4 is you can walk into a Volkswagen dealer and as long as you have a pulse, you can negotiate the 39-735 down to $12,000. More or less.

Yep. You will be able to on these two. It's so cool. And now it's no one's going to buy it. And it doesn't have great performance because it's 280 horsepower in this giant van. And it's way bigger than people wanted. They thought people are going to use this as a practical van that is such BS.

Boomers are going to buy this to look cool. That's what's what's buying. Heydays. I expect that we'll see. a lot in Orange County here in San Diego people that want to have a surfboard on top and think that it looks cool and they'll willing to spend 60 but then once the 10 just like the original

will have lots of them around no we won't some in Southern California and none anywhere else who's buying this especially at the size not doing the small one in the US was such a big mistake because now we end up with we buy small vans huh who buys small vans like when it was the last time a Dodge Caravan was purchased What are you talking about?

My friends and I all have Kia Rondos. I don't understand the problem. Right. Right. There's a Kia Rondo reference. Goodbye, everybody. I've done my name. Nobody else sell small vans for a reason.

I don't begrudged their decision. Just I begrudged them waiting two and a half years. And it's still not on sale. I think the mistake you make with regards to the size, Filippo, is I think that you and Volkswagen make the mistake that people are thinking that people are going to buy this like a minivan. I think that people aren't going to cross shop this with a C&.

I think people are going to cross-stop this with memories of their youth. Like, I'm dead serious. True. Like, that's how people are going to think about it. And so they're not going to be like, do I get a Sienna or this weird-looking Volkswagen that somehow costs $75,000? Instead, they're going to be like, oh, man, I'm a boomer with a lot of cash. And I miss having a bus like I used to in the old days. I'm going to now get this.

And they're going to sell them in Monterey to people who, like, used to be hippies and now have homes worth $25 million. And their basis is $60. Right. Because everybody else that also wants a quick. minivan and as a boomer will refuse to buy an EV. So like who's who's going to buy it? The thing that really shocks me is like every single Volkswagen commercial over the last however long has focused on the ID bus coming out. They had that Super Bowl commercial where it was in like a shipping container. That was eight months ago. Yeah. I don't know for sure what's been going on but just based

on the communication that I've had with Volkswagen it's it's really been a slog. Like why? I just don't you don't even need to like federalize any drive trains like it's yeah i don't know i mean it is it could be production capacity a lot of these automakers have production capacity problems where is it built it's a great question i don't know the answer that handover germany so it also won't be eligible for the tax credit real seven five hundred dollars it's not eligible for the tax credit well if it's built in germany it won't be well i'm going to give you a little hint within about six months of it coming out Volkswagen dealers will be offering the tax credit through the dealership.

Just as a discount. Okay, let's move on to the next story, which is almost as sad as the high pricing of this vehicle. And that is the Temerario. Actually, I thought the next story was infinity, but we'll talk about the John Tamarian. Yes, the John Tamarino or Tamarino,

as Felipe will like to say. No, no, he'll say. Tamarario. Tamarario. So, yes. That's the closest Doug has gone to. As we predicted, as they announced, the new Lamborghini Tamario was revealed

at the quail this year. And it's pretty much exactly like what we were expecting. 789 horsepower from a 4-liter twin turbocharged V8 with three electric motors, one between the engine and the drivetrain, and then two small ones up front, and that's the combined total output is 789 horsepower and 338 foot pounds of torque. And it does rev to 10,000 RPM, which is really insane for a turbocharged engine. So, like, engineering-wise pretty crazy.

Hang on, hang on. The combined output is like 907 horsepower. You're talking just like gas engine is 7. Oh, sorry. Yes. Combined horsepower, is substantially more. That's nine.

Claiming is 907 horsepower and 590 foot pounds of torque. What does the Ruelto have? A thousand and I just reviewed it. Did you watch my video? Of course. But that's an increasingly, that's an increasingly small gap. It is an increasingly small gap.

The Rolto has been 12, my friend. Yeah. But, you know, the, the other thing, that's increasingly small is the design risk that Lamborghini is taking with each of their cars, because looks a lot like a Huracom. It's a face-lifted Huracom. Did you see it in person? In person, it looks a lot like a facelifted Huracom.

The rear is kind of crazy and that it has these ridiculous cutouts and you see nothing but tire from behind, which is crazy. But other than that, it legitimately just looks like a Hurricon. Huracon face lift with a hybrid power train. Does it look good? Kenon. Sorry? Does it look good?

It's fine. I mean, obviously it looks very subjective to each individual person. I think it looks fine. It just doesn't look. It's not very striking. The cool thing. Two cool things about this car that I think really need to be discussed. Number one, they named it after John Tamerian, which I think is a nod.

It's like a real nod to the man. He's with our podcast guest last week, and now he's got a Lamborghini named after him. And number two, it's pronounced Temerario, right, Felipe? Yeah. Temerario. Timerati. That's like Ferrari. No, it's a Spanish word because all Lamborghini names. But it means reckless.

Don't forget. Ferrari is in it. It's a Ferrari and Temerar. Erari is part of it. There are R's in both. An A's and eyes, I guess. The entire word, the entire sounds irari is in both Ferrari and Temerari. Oh, that's weird.

Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Sure. That's weird. What if Chevy named a car, the, Fordston. Man, you are off the rails. Outrageous.

I'm not wrong. But I don't know. I'm excited to see it. We'll see him around. I have like constantly. Already we're seeing Rivalto's kind of everywhere. There were tons and tons and tons of them. I have yet to see Ruelto.

So speak for yourself. I've seen two already in San Diego. You wouldn't know it if it ran you over anyway. You've seen Rvolto? San Diego already? Yeah, two of them. Yeah. There was one at Cars and Coffee.

It was Matt Black and there was an orange one that was driving around too. They're around. And they definitely are around a car week, so all them is everywhere. And look, I'm sure the car will be great. I think starting price is around $280,000, $290,000. Of course, none of them will be that. They'll all be optioned to the moon. The starting price is $360,000.

How much of the Hurricanes? Hurricanes base at the end was like $250, $250. So that's a hundred grand increase? It's not quite apples to oranges, because at the very end, they had the Hurricanes Technica, which was like a, of stripped downy little thing, I think. And so this is like, this is like a real, real deal big guy. But it says Timorario starts at 357, 621 in the U.S.

When will Doug be able to drive it and give us all a review? If they're already announcing pricing, it must be coming out pretty soon. Historically, these Lambos have come out pretty quickly. The Gallardo and the Mercy were the only a year apart. And that was also true of the Eventador and the Huracom. They were, I think, two years apart. But it was pretty tight.

It was like 18 months probably. So we just didn't reflect, though. Temerario soon. Tamarillo soon. Tamirian. So hopefully winter for you, early winter be when you can review it. One hopes. We'll see. But underwhelming in terms of styling.

It won't be overwhelming in terms of performance. When I was the kid, Lamborghini, a new Lamborghini when it came out, was the craziest thing. Like when the Diablo came out, I was three. So I don't remember it.

But then when the Mercilago came out, it was like, yeah. Yeah. And even the Ventador after that was such a huge, like and when the guy are you came out i can't even explain to you how big of a deal that was like that there was going to be this like affordable lambo that looked like that but didn't cost 500 grand and now they're like facelifts of course they're also going to sell 10 times as many of these as they

did garados or any and the hundred times many that they sold diabloes maybe not i mean i'm kind of curious i mean like the performance is crazy but like the v10 of the hurricane was and and also the guy over it was like i was at the dealer with with the bravuelto and and they told me they have orders through like the end of time. People that are buying these don't care about the heritage of a V10. Yeah, especially like the like the like the like not the earliest owners who just want the new is Lamborghini and have a hair and have a history with them, but like the middle owners. They just want the newest Lamborghini.

It's not like it's a turbo four cylinder or anything like a V8, a 900 horsepower and a V8 is still pretty good. I think most people just want speed and power and cool looks and this car still offers it. I don't think it's going to, I think sales are going to be huge. Look at the Euras. The EURIS is heinous. It's an Audi on heinous steroids, and they sell four bazillion of them. Yeah, but people are buying that, it's different.

You're buying that so you can actually put people in the car. Who do you know a Huracom kind of? Like, you personally know them. Who do I know with a Hurricanes? No, I know people who would taste to buy older Lamborghinisies, but I don't know anybody without a Hurricanes. Alex Troy. Great. I don't know Alex Troy.

But then he shot it from a helicopter, didn't he? Yeah, he's in federal prison, but no, I'm kidding. not and I hope he's admonished or whatever the term. Admonished is not the right word. I think he exonerated, but not exonerated. Okay. Give me something else, but what else you got? All right.

What else do I got? We have the end of the Q50. Yeah, so this is a big news story, Kenan. Open your ears. The Infinity Q50 has been canceled. Wow. It's so sad. How do you have gone?

This car was, this car changed our lives as kids. Do you understand that? The Q50 changed nobody's life ever. No, but come on. The G35 came out in 03 and it changed the world. I'm dead serious about this. It was motor train car the year in 03, first off. Yeah, so was the Chevy Lumina in 1998.

No, hey, wait a minute. The previous winners in O2 was the Thunderbird, which I believe was also a very successful popular car. In 01, it was the PT Cruiser. So let's not denigrate the motor train car. Hey, I will never say anything bad about the PT Cruiser. The PT Cruiser was legit when it came out. The point of the Q50 thing, though, is the G35 was a huge deal when it came out in 03.

It was a massive deal. It was finally the first credible competitor to BMW. And it wasn't long after that when BMW came out with a Hain completely altered 3 series that totally changed that whole situation. And life got different. The E90. It was like totally. It wasn't the E46 was this. And the E90 was this.

And the G37 was right there to capitalize. I don't remember the E90 being poorly received when it came up. For its styling. I remember the E60 being that way, but not the United. The E90 was so poorly. But this is what happens with BMW. Every success of BMW, people are like, yeah, that last one was great. Even though everybody hated the previous one.

I was there. I was 18 when the E90 came out. I will never forget how poorly received it was. People hated it. It was the most widely mocked car in the history of the world. And now people are like, oh, yeah, no, it was always. I always liked that car. It was always great.

That is true. Like fine art, the way to make people appreciate. Bimder just needs to kill off the car and then all of a sudden becomes appreciated. We'll see what happens with the beaver face one. You know, that'll see. The point is the Q50 is gone and this is a big deal because that was a huge. I mean, that really was like a massive sales success. It carried infinity through their peak era.

The G35 and G37 were a massive sales success. The Q50 never was a sales success. It was the same car just for the different name. They renamed it and therefore it's a different car. No, but it was a redesign and once they redesigned it never did as well. Do you remember when they sold the Q50s? which was the G37 renamed for a few years. Did you know that, Kenan?

Fun Infinity trivia there. Of course I didn't. Okay, check this out. This is the thing that actually happened. Infinity redesigns the car. They decide to rename the car Q50, but they decide to keep selling the old one also alongside the new one, and they're going to call that Q40.

And they did this for a period of time. Year or two? Longer than you'd think. And then you would see a Q40 around, and you knew that that person got a great, deal or was leasing it or could not get finance anywhere else one of the three let's look at infinity sales figures i've got them pulled up right here uh i don't think we have time for such a sad sad story how many key 50s okay i'm gonna tell you this this is i'm gonna i'm about to blow your mind

right here in 2004 this can't be right also in two 305 in 2005 in infinity sold 207000 cars this can't be true. Last year, they sold 46,000 cars. Why are they... I'm expecting, honestly. Why are they still doing this? What's the point? Why not are they doing this for... It's a matter of time. Are they doing this just to give salespeople like practice and selling infinities before they move on to another brand? It's a great launching pad of automotive salespeople. I'm not exaggerating. How many cars did, did Accuracy sell last year? Oh, good question. Good question. I can't believe.

leave that decline. That's one of the great declines in the history of declines. Accura last year. 145,000. 145,000. Wow. Man, if you're a third of Accura size, that's not a great spot to be. A third of Accura. That's like, whoo. Jaguar sold, oh, wow, rough, rough sales for Jaguar.

Lexus did 320,000. Yeah, but Jagg sold 8,000 cars in the U.S. last year. And by the way, now they have no cars, period. Tenon, are you aware of this? This isn't a new story we have on here, but we got to cover this. Jaguar has announced this is a real thing. Jaguar's announced they're going to take a break for a year. Just like a sabbatical.

Just like, you know, we need to go find ourselves. You know, maybe just take some time off at the beach. Gap year. For a college student after college before we start working, Jaguar, a company that presumably employees 10,000 or 20,000 human beings is going to just be like, we're not going to do revenue this year. We're just not going to make money. The U.S. market, nah.

It's not even the U.S. market. Isn't it globally? It is globally. I think the U.S. market, they still have some 2024, 2025 inventory, but they're not, like, do anything. Are they still going to sell cars to Waymo that can be equipped with an enormous number of cameras and look heinous? The biggest surprise there is that they still sell the I pace at all to anybody. Oh, I mean, it's really one of the great bad cars, I think. Yeah.

It wasn't. I think when it came out was pretty competitive. It was competitive. done. In 2017, they sold 39,000, 40,000 cars, and now they're down to eight over the course of six years. Did they ever have good years? Yeah, 2017 when they sold 40,000 cars. Well, 40,000 is not really all that many. Did they ever have like 100, 200,000 car sale years? Is that ever happened? The table I'm looking at things for our friends, a good car, bad car goes back to 2005 and no. And they never ever at any point had strong sales years. Okay. No. I only want to do one more new story because we need to move on, but I want to do that often.

road Mustang. You had like a picture of some sort of off road Mustang. What's going on there? What is that? That is a rendering, certainly. Ford a few weeks ago had a dealer meeting, as all the manufacturers have, where they go to dealers and say, hey, these are the cars we're thinking of building. And they are apparently considering an off-road Mustang, unclear whether it'll be the card version of a Mustang or just like a separate car like the marquee rally, who knows, and also a four-door Mustang. I made a marquee joke there, but it wouldn't be electric, right? It would be like a must using the must-end name

gas-powered four-door and coming out with a four-door car and maybe an off-road version. That's so cool. You'd buy this, right?

I think it's cool. Does this become played out at some point where manufacturers just do this way to turn the sports cars in the off-roader? No, it just clearly hasn't.

No. So what else do we want to see? What else does it? Lamborghini does it? Ford. What do I want to say off-roated? Yeah. Yeah, what sports cars

do we want to see uproated? I want a mini-cooper convertible Off-road version. You know, a regular Cuber-R minic mini Cooper S, like J.CW. Cooper S. Which of course, existed.

That'd be cool. Was called the paceman. Nobody bought it. No, no, no, no. I don't want the paceman. I want like knobby tires, like lifted body thing. I don't want some heinous. God, Filippo, come on. I want them to off-roadify the new M-5 that we're not talking about for some reason,

despite the fact that we should be talking about the M-5-Twering. But they could off-road-road-5. We already talked about it. It already has happened. Kenon saw it in person, probably. I'm going to tell us about Car Week in a second, but what are we supposed to talk about? We already have made fun of it for being overweight to the end of time. We've already called it a beluga whale, et cetera, et cetera.

Do you want me to do that more? Yeah, please. All right, all right, right, two more. The M5 touring is so big that it might not be able to drive on the road. Give me one more good one. That's all I heard when I was there about it, too. It's all anybody had to say about it. Really?

big, it's so heavy. Oh, it's a shame. It's so heavy. But we'll get more into that because there's a whole thing around it. I don't understand my people think it's so heavy. Isn't it only, what's it like 9200, 9,400? It's not Hummery V. It's not as heavy as a Hummery v, thankfully, but it is notably heavier than

any other car in its class or the class above. Okay, here's a question. What weighs more? The M5 touring or a MBOC S class. My recollection is that the S class weighed less. Yeah, agree. I suspect.

M5. 200 to 300 pounds less. M5 sedan. No, the wagon is 5530. Yep. The Mibok S class is 5200. No way. That's crazy.

Do you know how many screens are in a Mibok S class? There's like 38 screens. You wouldn't even be able to carry them. Right. Right. It's an impressive feat, but BMW found a way to pull it off and make it up here. That is wild. It weighs more than a Mibok S680 or 650.

Is that have a V12 still? I don't know. Who does? It does weigh less than the S-60s... It does have a V-12. Kenneth, this is insane. Credit to BMW, it weighs less than the Mercedes-Benz's S-63 AMG-E performance, which weighs 5,700 pounds.

Yeah, but that's a full-sized sedan. Yeah. And that car has, presumably, has a lot more power. Yeah, has like a thousand-pound fuel torque, some of that. It's got real power. I drove one of those. That was a great car. You know what I was driving around as I was driving around?

you know what I was thinking, I wish I could buy this car. But unfortunately, I don't have the ability to stomach $37,000 in depreciation every week. Okay, but the off-road Mustang. So we don't have any other information about what this. We know nothing else. So these dealer meetings famously, every time I manufacturer does them, people come out and say, oh, we're, like, we're shown this. But no cell phones are allowed.

Nobody has photos. And these are also presumably pretty early renderings of like, this is what it could be. but it would be cool I drove a rally fighter remember those yeah of course the local motor yeah that's the offer of saying

of course it has primarily Honda parts but sure you're not this is going to what version of the Mustang this is going to be what engine is going to be in this is it going to make it awesome and put like a very serious V8 in it

or is it just going to be well right now it's just hard but yeah they would put a V8 in it and they would I'm here for it the floor door is it the interesting part for me I think in the hierarchy of cars it exists like this? I think then, like, I would put,

I think I would put the, the strato at the top as the coolest I know it will be out of production very shortly, but I think that's the coolest. This would, for me personally, probably be seconded if it has a V8. I think that's really cool. Both the strata and the Dakar,

as cool as they are, they kind of were cop-outs. Like, I hate to say it, but like, like, so what? The Scorado has the same ground clearance as a Camry. Like, I wanted to see, what I wanted to see, and I'm not exaggerating here.

I wanted to see a little, real suspension travel. Kenan, Kenan, you know those cars in Iceland? Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. That's what I wanted to see. Philippo, pull up some Iceland cars. That's what I wanted to see, okay?

You want to see them turn the thing into like a bowler wildcat with those ridiculous crazy. Yes, I wanted to be able to take that not just off road, but like I wanted to run over some, some. Go through craters. That people, yeah. Les, look at that. Yeah. If a neighbor like upset you, you could, you could run over his. Wait, can I say something about these?

We have a van going live in the next week or so in Cars and Beds. That is an Icelandified Sprinter, and it looks so good. There's a bird you don't hear every day. I just edited it today. Have you seen this? It's incredible. It's quite something. Anyway, okay.

All right, Mustang off road, let's hope they build it. Kenan and I will buy one, and by that, I mean, we will look at them when they are at Cars and Causes. The Ford World One, I legitimately think is more interesting, right? like sure Chrysler Dodge do it with the Charger Challenger there might be a real market for a four-door version of a Mustang Absolutely also because I think that I totally think there is Ford has no sedans Period so like this would be their only sedan sedan which I think is interesting Yeah no I think especially because we're not really sure what's going to happen with the charger and the charger And the Charger two-door which is no longer called the Challenger so it'll be interesting to see right yeah I'm right yep it'll be interesting to see what happens if they actually do that I think it

could have at least some success, especially if it's not all that hard for them to make. Maybe it, you know, I don't know. I mean, they have to stretch stuff and do stuff and make stuff. It does make me wonder. That's how it goes. Yeah. It does make me wonder if they'll change the mock E name. Like if they're rolling out like more Mustang products,

will they feel the need to change the other existing Mustang products? Who knows? Uh, no, because they've invested a lot in it and everybody's happy. It's time for a new generation. And I'll tell you, the dealers especially are happy. Before we move on, let's take a moment to appreciate Lexus Racing, the sponsor of this podcast episode. Lexus Racing has been built on a foundation of precision, innovation, and an unwavering commitment to excellence, much like Kennan. Last year, these elements came together for Lexus Racing and with their team partners at Vassar Sullivan.

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the famous Lexus V8 engine roaring under the hood. Follow their journey every race weekend. Visit lexas.com slash motorsports to learn more about Lexus racing and get all of the details on upcoming races. I want to talk about a couple things. Kenan, can you start us off at Car Week? Kenan went to Car Week, Monterey Car Week. Kenneth, tell us what happened. I did. And it was amazing. There was a lot of hype around it this year, and my God, did it live up? It was so much fun. It was just incredibly overwhelming. I went with some of our friends, unfortunately, Doug couldn't make it.

But I went with a group of our friends, some of their familiar cars a bit, Sam and Nick were there and Kevin. And it was great. There were so many things. Every year we refine it a little bit more, though. We learn about what we should do and what we shouldn't do. And some events we learned are really, really worth going to. If you can, it's very expensive, but if you can afford it or find a way to do it, quail is amazing.

Did you go to Quail Kenan? I did. Due to a series of circumstances that unfolded, I was able to go, which is very nice. And I had a great time. It's incredible. It's just as, especially for people who like modern classics and like supercars,

like that's the place to go. And it kind of has become what Geneva Motor Shore used to be. I mean, cars are being unveiled there. And like, that's exciting stuff. And everybody is there. Rasha Paghani is there. I saw Christian Von Kovig's like,

talk to stuff. on Winkerman for a little bit. Like, everybody is there. And then also people in the car world are there too. And of course, the food is excellent and all this hobnobbing and stuff, which is fun. But it's a really quality event. And it is ludicrously expensive. And I have found that I will go find anyway I possibly can to go on from now until the end of the time.

Including circumstances unfolding. Yes, there were circumstances that unfold. I think we can leave it at that. He's not going to explain the circumstances. I'm not going to explain the circumstances to you because it was outrageous. but it was a lot of fun. It was an incredible amount of fun. It sounds like I wouldn't have approved.

It sounds like Kenan used his... We wouldn't have approved a whole event in general. I think it's too much hobnobic for you. You would like... I'll tell you one thing to do, though, is that... I just don't believe in using my status to get me into events. And so I don't... No, what you did was sign up for the wrong ticket is what you did.

But anyway, we'll move on that. What did you see at the quail? Well, what was like a two highlights from it? too high some of the quail well i have i think well there were two situations that were great so the one was getting a picture of our friend nick who owns a merciago with stepan winciman now nick i don't know that he knew who stephan winkman was as the CEO of lamburgeney incredibly well-dressed italian CEO as you might expect and so i was like allow me to handle all the talking nick and so i went up to stephan winciman and i said mr winkman it's a pleasure to meet you just wanted to say love your cars i also think that you are I said, you are to Lamborghini, Luca de Montezumel that was to Ferrari, which he loved. He thought that was hilarious. And I said, you're one of the most stylish CEOs in the world, which is very true. Did you tell him that you hated the car he just revealed at that same event?

No. I said, our friend Nick has Marciago, one of your finest creations. And Nick was very excited. I said, I would love to get a picture with you. I took a great picture for Nick looking awkward and Stefan looking perfect. I was hoping you talked about some cars that you saw, but it's okay if you don't. Oh, well, there were a number of cars. were interesting to me.

So I saw, there's a Ferrari 550 that is modified by touring, or touring superleggera. And it's tough to see. I was not a fan in pictures and in person. I wanted to talk more with one of the engineers. And so I did. I talked to one of the development people about the car.

And they ran me through the whole thing. The whole body is carbon fiber. I'm like, wow, that's kind of interesting. So how much weight does it save? And they said, nothing. weighs exactly the same as the original car. Like, okay, so what else did you do to it? And they said, well, we changed the final drive,

we changed some of the gear ratios. I'm like, okay, that sounds cool. And they said, and we really went to town on the engine. We gave it a new intake system. We gave it a new exhaust system, high flow catalytic converters, all this stuff. And I said, oh, great, can I see it? And they were like, no, it's not done yet.

And they would not open the engine base so I can see what it looked like. So it's like the cars let them. And then I asked them, so how many of these cars are you going to make? and they wouldn't give me a number, but they said, but we'll deliver all of them

by the end of 2008. I'm like, okay, great, okay. It's a complete farce, I think. Tennant, question for you. Question for you. Word on the street that you saw an Aspark owl. No, I did not. It eluded me.

I could not capture the owl, which is unfortunate. Maybe I need mice or something like to entice one. But I did not, I was not able to capture the owl. However, people did see the owl or not driving around, sitting around because according to

according to system sleuthing that our friend Colleen did it's not operational so it seems they were willing to they initially they said it was for security purposes and then at Pebble itself they said there was some other excuse they used but it could not move under its own power what a surprise first was in a roundabout in suburban Italy

and now it's a Tebvel it's really quite the glow up for the Asperk Alps it remains a stationary vehicle in our hearts and in our minds You know what I think about with the owl. A real owl is this big thing. But then when you look at the bones, have you ever seen... There are small ones. Have you ever seen the bones of an owl?

Yeah, it's like a space frame. It's like a tubular space frame. Yeah, it's like nothing. A real owl. And I think that's what this is. The Aspark owl pretends to be this thing. But then when you really get into it, it's this thing. You know, it's like, you know what I'm saying?

You kind of understand what you want. I'm taking up what you're putting up. The well-named vehicle, the owl part of it. Oh, very well-named. The ASBARC part of it. Come on. Join some of the great supercars of all time in terms of naming. Diablo, Mura.

Well, they're also named after animals. Owl. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, but no, I did not see one. Unfortunately, it was not at the quail. I was hoping that it would be, but it was not. But there were a number of other cars that were moving.

What else? Kenon, what was your highlight experience at the Monterey? a car week. It's so difficult to narrow it down. I think this sounds very cheesy and it is a little of a cough up, but truly going with your friends who really love cars and driving around in the same car together, like, admittedly all of us wanted to have our own cars there because there is something really cool about having your own car and like in showing up, which is cool, which I did last year.

But being, but also having a car that you can go around in together like, you know, six passenger thing is great. And just like seeing stuff and all freaking out. Like at one point we saw a car like we couldn't tell what it was. he got closer to turn it was an E9 CSL race car just driving on the road. It was like a, oh my God. One of the things that I remember

is that all license plate rules are suspended by the local authorities during the week of. People drive around in any manner of road illegal. Oh, yeah. I mean, crazy roadie illegal cars, cars registered in Europe, cars prototypes that have no form of anything. Oh, not even close. And yeah, absolutely.

that's so true but if i had to pick one thing that i really loved uh elicitor of ours and a friend of mine now eric let us come over like to his place and we all eventually went over to uh the staging for uh the tour de laigants which is where if you're part of the concor you can get additional points for driving a car in this huge tour that they lay out which is kind of arduous for some of these really old cars like it's a commitment to do it but we went for the staging really early in the morning and to see the cars all they're all just parked like you know ready to go and to get up close with them and talk to the owners is incredible. But then we found that you can also just, like, Pebble Beach, the golf course itself

wasn't really like, for the event itself on Sunday, they really are strict about security. But before that, like, it was just a golf course. There are people golfing. And so, like, the tour cuts through part of the golf court. It cuts through, like, the driving part of the golf course. So we went and walked over there and stood there, and that's where we stood to watch everything go by with legitimately maybe 50 people. There was nobody around.

And so, like, if you can get in to do that and then you see everything drive by is the coolest thing. And the coolest car without question that we saw, in my opinion anyway, was the Aston Martin Bulldog. We got to see that drive by. And the front end of it drops down. So instead of some headlights pop up and people think that's cool. He's popped down. Playpo, you don't know what this car is. I do know what this car is, but I'm grabbing a picture right now.

But it popped. We got to see, I got to see it in person pop the lights down. And boy, they're bright. They're really bright. But no, no, Kalipo, no, Kenon, get them out of there. Click on, click on the picture in the lower. left that shows it outside. Yeah, yeah.

No, not that one. That one, that one, the bigger one. You see how hard this is, Philippa? You want you to make fun. The headlights. No, I'll show you the headlights. No, the one that shows it outside. Why can't he just do it?

There, yes. Yes. You see how hard this is, Felipe? You mock me constantly. Imagine the ugliest thing you've ever seen and then triple it. And that, it's... Picture a wet, an extreme wedge. It's a wedge as wedge as they get.

but that was just to see that driving around and like, you know, Sizeta Marota was another one to hear that, like that V-16 was really cool. I mean, to get to see those cars like driving, and in addition to, you know, Ferrari 250 GTO and all that stuff, it was, that's really cool. Yeah. Doing that in like conjunction later on with Historic's, that Laguenessaca is usually two of the best things you can do.

And those, like, cost nothing to do as well. And they were so much fun. Kenon, I'm glad you went and I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'm sorry I couldn't go. I went five years in a row. I think it's one of the most special times to be a car enthusiast. I think that, especially if you're into sports cars and exotic cars and everything,

it is just like a, the whole week is like a citywide celebration of like special cars. And it's hard to even explain to non-car enthusiasts how special it is. Like you go into the parking lot of a motel and you'll see like a Diablo SE 30 park there because that's the only accommodations they could get. You go into the, you go into the, you know, drive down the street and there's a Bugatti Shiro.

I mean, I remember driving down, down Carmel, Ocean Avenue and Carmel one time, and a 250 GTO come in the other direction. Like, yep, it just happens. Anything is on the table. Like, all those cars that you hear about that I only drive this car twice a year, that's one of the two times. I will say it is exhausting because you just anticipate

or in any corner could be any car you've ever dreamed of seeing. Just like being around. You can be singing traffic and McLaren F1 is behind you. Totally. Like, it's just, that's the reality of Carweight. And it is like for anybody, if you have not gone, if it's on your bucket list, find a way to do it. It's also, you don't have to do it crazy expensively either. No, I think that's the big truth that people should understand is that like, truthfully, you can have fun just flying to San Jose, run a car and that's it.

And, like, get accommodations somewhere. And that's it. You don't have to go to any events. You don't have to do anything. You don't have to spend big money in Carmel for dinner. You don't have to go to any spec. You could just walk around and like have probably, if you're in. seeing cool cars probably the time of your life.

Yeah, I think one of the best things is go get a little bit of ice cream, sit on like a wall in Carmel and watch stuff come through. It's just, it's so insane. And it's wonderful. So if you do, if you've planned on doing it, find a way next year go. It's truly one of the great car automotive events of the year. No question. Well, on the subject of old cars, Filippa, I'm sure you've seen in our document here that I've written something called, it's insane that Ben's still rocking it. And you might be thinking, what the hell are you talking about? I was wondering exactly that. Okay. Kennan and I are sitting on my porch last night and I was like, you know what's wild? The guy who invented the car, Carl Benz, right? Yeah, he's so involved, did they?

Everybody agrees in 1886, the Carl Ben's Patton Motor wagon is the first car. That's kind of like universally broadly agree. It's insane that the company is still making car like okay like the example i gave was imagine if right brothers was making seven seven seven seven like that's that's what this is it's crazy what do you think about it that that bends is like the still like not only a car company but like the big like a huge global iconic brand isn't that wild the dude just showed up with bicycle wheels and a tiller and here we are 150 years later That's a really interesting point. I'm curious.

I bet there are other industries where this is true, but I wonder what are they? Like where was the first guy, you know, the 1700s when such and such a thing was invented, what company is still running? Of course, Peugeot is still making pepper grinders.

They've been doing that for a long time. Peugeot is still in business? Okay, but is the guy who made the first pepper grinder? Is his company still in business? Good question. It's an interesting point. Is it not? Well, I will say that the pepper grinder was invented by Peugeot in 1842.

They're still making them today. It's especially crazy when you think about how many car companies failed along the way. But the dude who started the first one, right, whose wife Bertha took it on that trip that everybody knows, you know, to prove that cars could be real. That thing is, that company is still around. And they made my station wagon. And your, it's not like G-Cab. They've made many of your cars. it's not like the first person who invented the computer is around like that company wasn't Apple or it wasn't like that's not around like that's not the same person it was like the Kenback one which is and even then even if it was when was that that that's probably a hundred years after the car or 50 years after the car but Ben's is still kicking it that's a excellent I mean even the Chrysler brothers Chrysler or the Dodge brothers Chrysler Walter P. Chrysler that's over

that is so fair Cadillacs still around Ford still around which were both early they were early but I could not as early because I went on a deep dive of old car companies

a couple of weeks ago I could name you 5,000 old car companies that are not around anymore like there are so many like me and Kenan's favorite is Hispanic Suiza like when we see a Suiza

like we worship at the altar and you know my favorite suiza of course is the 810 slash JP 71 18 cylinder 500 Kew Ken and I believe you

great. Believe correctly. That's what they're all called. But anyway, the watch industry, I know you want to talk about, the watch industry is another one where there are manufacturers

who invented the wristwatch I believe it was very gay. They're around. Invented the wristwatch. Like took a watch, put it on the wrist of someone. That exists. It is notable to Doug's point,

though, the Mercedes isn't just around. Like Cadillac, just around, frankly. But Mercedes is still innovating. They're still like the leader in luxury cars.

They're like the leader. Like, if you want a success story of a business founder to complete, like, still utter domination, it's this one. You just skip that piece of history between 1930 and 1945 because the city's been certainly overlooked. You know, I was at the BMW Museum and I noticed they didn't talk a lot about that era. Did something happen in that period that they should have? Okay. I can't remember what it was. There's a lot still we have to talk about.

I want to talk about the FocusRS. Can we do that? Sure. It's pretty incredible. Okay, I normally don't digress too much into Cars and Bid stuff. I don't want this podcast to seem like an ad. But we, even though it's sponsored by Cars and Bids, we'll get to that. But this FocusRS is, we have a Focus RS on Cars and Bids right now that is absolutely insane.

Okay. Have you seen this, Canon? I have. Okay, so it's gray and you're like, okay. No, it's one of one in a color called magnetic metallic. And the story goes that the car was won at a charity auction by the, the first owner who bought the first one. They claimed it's the first one.

I don't think we could verify that. It's the first one. We were able to verify that it was the first one sold, not necessarily the first one that Ford built. Okay, got it. So the first sold Ford FocusRS, you wanted it to charity auction. And Ford said, hey, you can have this in any color you want.

Now, unfortunately, the person chose gray, which turned out to be a sort of similar color to what they ended up making. But it's still the grade that they made was like a flat gray. So it's different. But this is the coolest thing in the, world. Imagine winning a charity auction having the first car and the only one in this special color. I think this is so insane. I read this thing and I was like, what is this? This is so cool.

Do you remember how much he bought it for? Because it's a wild number. Well, but it's a charity. It was a charity auction. The original owner paid $550,000. But that's a right on. To charity. Yeah, of course. It's a charity auction. But it's still notable. Like it's notable because I think at this point we've kind of discounted the focus arrest is just a hot hatch. But it was a big, big deal in 2016 when it came out. huge deal. It's a special car. It was a huge deal, but also all of those buying the first at a charity auction thing. Of course, the first C8 sold for like a number higher than Kenan can even imagine exists. Kenan only goes to about three million.

He doesn't know about anything higher than that. It is such a cool car to have, though. You know about 50 million. You know about 50 GTOs. I know where they live. Brett? Are you going to come find them? I know where they are.

Everybody knows where they are. They're just such a cool car. I mean, it has 71 miles now. It's so a modified, as you'd expect for the first one sold. But no reserve auction makes it especially exciting. Like, it just, it's just cool to have. I'm into it. It's so cool.

I definitely, if I were ordering the person, would have definitely gone for a crazier color than they were. It is handsome looking. I'll give it that, though. It had to be a color that they were offering already. And I bet it had to be a color, if I had to guess, a color they were offering where the focus rest was being built.

Like, not just any color. the Ford did, but I'm sure there were some restrictions put on it. Kenan and I would have done Mr. Chrome. Yeah. Oh, dude, that would be so cool. You know the one that that would have been it. Purportedly Ford did say about their potential Mustang variance,

that they're not bringing back Mr. Crum. And do you want to know why? I don't know. I assume the paint has some chemicals to make it work. I buddy Justin, who lives in Orange County, he convinced them to build his Ford GT in Mr. Chrome. He got the only one and he paid for them to lock it out. And I don't know if the lockout is still good,

but I actually read a quote from Ford that said that someone did it on the 4GT and made us lock it out and so we're not doing it again. Wow. Now, I don't know if that means again forever, but they did no other 4 GTs in Mr. Chrome. And my understanding is that like that's part of the process. You're talking about the GTD, right? Yeah.

and any other Mustang generally. They were kind of general about it. Well, nobody, I mean, the color is a disaster. It became a whole problem. Impossible to take care of it. It's impossible to take care of. I would take care of it in the sense that I would drive it everywhere and brag. Sounds right.

Okay, listen, we've spent way too much time on these first two things. We have to skip the market report and move on to the Q&A. Do you understand that? Yeah, but keep in mind, folks, the market report, and we did deal, do a little bit of market report. It's brought to you by cars and bits. No, the Q&A is going to be sponsored by cars and bits. Oh. We're going to sponsor the Q&A this week.

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was their conversation about whether or not is a real tank. The comments were a little rye on Mountain. I just want to read the comments of that one. I skipped that one. Okay. Q&A, Q&A. There's some great questions this week,

which is why I wanted to specifically get to the Q&A. first question is from Martini Rossi Hey this is a question for Ken and Doug and Felipe I just want to stop right there Yeah we know that's it That's who this is What do you think? To direct it to who they likes

People might want to know Where Felipe got his giraffe shirt You know that's a question also Also sometimes there's Nick And we don't want Nick to answer these questions We don't want Nick to answer this one What car from a TV show or movie is your favorite I'm my answer is the Jurassic Park

For Explorer and the Jurassic Park ML320 Very boring answers I'm very curious what Felipe's answer is because I bet it's insane. I don't have an answer because I'm not that into movies or TV and I don't have favorites. God. Philippo, Kenan's going to answer. Kenan's going to choose a Ferrari F-355 from something. I want you to pick one.

I don't care what you pick. I don't care if you pick a Dodge Intrepid from season five of the X-Files. I want you to pick one. Kenan, go for it. Felipe will get an answer together. There are so many. I love when cars are period movies and stuff. I mean, the white testeros are from Miami.

Vice is a great example. I think that is one of the most killer-looking cars. The 308 from MagumPI, the DeLorean from Back to the Future. I mean, all of those cars are awesome. Although it was a rep, the 250 from Ferris Bueller's Day Off,

like that. It's like those, I love when a car is kind of an unofficial character in something. And in all of those TV shows and movies, the car was. It was part of the reason why people did so much for all those brands. It's why people went and bought a lot of those cars later on.

But actually, I look for like shows where it like, I love looking at old movies and finding clips of like what car was used in like some 80s movie. There was, and there are just so many cool like car chase scenes and stuff that use car. It's just I love whenever they appear and it's an extra character. Yeah. And those are good answers. Those are some of the more iconic ones of all time.

I mean, yeah, those, every one of those movies. Yeah, Eleanor. Yeah. And all the Ferrari's in it too. The Ferris Bueller answers are really good one because that's not a car. People are like, oh, the Mustang and Bullet. And it's like, yeah, that's a good one. But like the Ferris Bueller one is great.

because that movie was that car. I mean, like, that's one of the great props in the history of movies is that car. You killed the car. Yeah, exactly. Filippo, your answer, please? I will give you three answers that I've come up with while Kenan was giving his answer. On Ferris Bler's Day off, we should have been talking about the Audi 80 that the dad drove, first of all. I thought it was a 5,000 or a 4,000.

I mean, who knows, frankly. I will accept that I'm wrong, but not accepting you blame for it. Oh, it's a 100. Yeah, it's a 5,000. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a 5,000. 80 is the smaller one. Whatever.

From Twister, the RAM. Oh, the RAM from Twister. You just Googled movie cards. No, no, no, I didn't. Absolutely. And then he said something that made me think of the office. And in the office, John Krasinski's character drives a sob 9-2x briefly. And that's just a cool car.

That is true. And the Chrysler Sebring is a perfect match for Michael in that. It is indeed. Those are the three that I can, that have. stuck out to me today. Nonetheless, the answer is the 1992 Ford Explorer from Jurassic Park. Also a good answer. It's a fair answer.

Remember when the T-Rex destroyed it? No, I've never seen the movie. Okay, well, here's what happens. I read the book. I'm familiar. In the book, it's a land cruiser, but in the movie, it's an explorer because Ford wanted a paint. And what happens is the T-Rex destroys the car, but what they don't tell you is that 20 minutes later, the transmission would have exploded and the car would have destroyed itself anyway.

That's how they should have killed those people. you review something that was a prop car from the movie or a recreation of that? Dorian, not a Jurassic Park car. I thought you had a Jurassic Park car too, no? I would murder you to do a Jurassic Park car too. If someone called me and said, I got a Jurassic Park Explorer with the bubble roof, I would say, can I send you Philippo as a sacrifice? Okay.

Totally fair. Next one. Good question. From Never Use Blinkers. Question for Doug Kennan and Felipe. I don't. Yeah. Doug, ask the question.

I'm actually just sad about the order. in here why I was last. What is the wildest out of place car spotting you've ever seen? Okay, I'm going to set this stage. I've got some good ones. I went to Hanoi. That is quite a stage to set. Yeah, well, it's hot there, and there's a lot of motorbikes.

And here's what Hanoi's like. I'm going to be the motorbikes. Okay? Yep. When I was in Hanoi, the nicest car I saw was worth, I don't know, $900. It was mostly just motorbikes. Flip, do you understand? Yep.

One day I walk out of my hotel and parched right next to my hotel in a sea of $900 cars and motorbikes, Mercedes-McClaran SLR. Changed my life. Oh, my God. I was like, this thing doesn't, shouldn't be in Illinois. And it indeed shouldn't because of all the motorbikes. Okay, that's the answer. Do you guys have any lesser answers? No.

I forgot, that's, I mean, that's much better than what I was. going to say admittedly but that was pretty good and F40 on PCH was kind of a shock but it wasn't as new as it was it during car week and I did once come across the Lexus RX abandoned in the jungle that was wild it's like trees completely grown around and it's like

huh what jungle this was like this was in the deep Caribbean and I was like off I was like off way somewhere where like you wouldn't expect any car and it was like Lexus RX that car was stolen from a family

in suburban Chicago and It ended up there. Traffic drugs and then hidden in the jungle. There's probably a body in it. Yeah. Yeah. You definitely win. There's no question about that.

But you got one? No, I don't. I'm really trying to think about... You've traveled crazy places. You've seen crazy things. Yeah, but I can't think of anything that wild or that out of place. Whenever I see an American muscle car in Europe, I freak. I remember years ago I saw a P-30 at Rangeover in a small town by the sea.

And I texted it to Doug at the time. Like, who the, who? Yeah. With Italian plates. Because, like, German plates, whatever. To me, car spotting is all about context. Like, when I see a Euro market car here and I get excited, I'll post it sometimes. People like, there are 5,000 of those every mile in Italy or in Amsterdam.

And it's like, yeah, but, you know, people send me challengers that they saw in Paris. And I think that's cool, right? Yeah. And when I'm, like, Chrysler, seeing any Chrysler in Europe is a pretty big deal. They, except for, like, Cherokees and Grand Cherokees, those were sold in some numbers, but anything other than that is a big deal. Chrysler never really did figure out Europe. And so, like, I was, I saw Concord in Vienna this year.

And that's an exciting. The summer I saw Concord on the River in New York, you know. That's true. That was a crazy out of place sighting. I was walking along the Hudson River and there was the Concord. Chrysler. No, regular. The regular Concord.

Wow. The supersonic one. Not the LXI. Remember those crazy? Chrysler, Terminables, LX and Capitals. I was lowercase. It usually is. It usually is. Okay, those are answers for that.

Okay, next question from JDM Fan 345. Hey, Doug, no canon and Filippe for this time. Thank God. Stay silent. With the amount of followers we have, you must get approached quite often on the street. Tell us about some of the wildest stories of fans that you have met over the last 10 years.

I'll tell you a couple, I got two. One time, I was just sitting at home and I get this email from this guy. He says, hey, I hear you're moving to Philadelphia. You want to hang out with me? You know, I live in Philadelphia. And it was Felipe. And then we got pizza.

One time I met this meat up and this guy's car breaks down. No, and it was Kenneth. No, those are real stories. But what are some of the weirder ones? You guys are always with me. This always happens. Do you ever, I feel like almost every time it goes about the same, people are excited. And we talk about cars for a minute and they take a picture.

And that's kind of, it's some, I would say that one out of. every hundred of those people becomes like a very close friend of mine. But generally speaking, they're not that weird, right? Yeah. I know usually people are very, like, one of the great things I think about you is like, like, I can't imagine what it must be like to be like Tom Cruise, like where you can't literally cannot go anywhere. But you, it's like when people come up to see you, they're really happy and like really

want to talk to you about cars. And, and, you know, it's usually a good conversation. And people are always usually very nice and you're very gracious with your time. So I don't think there's anything I've ever experienced anything weird or like, oh my God. But there are people how kind of, I know what it is. I know what it is. I know what it is. Jerry Seinfeld came up to you and it's like, Doug, we know who you are.

That might be not the weirder one. Like Doug, came up to me and said to me, Doug, I watch all your videos. And it just, I didn't know how to recover from that. And I had a conversation with Seinfeld where he was totally normal and I was incredibly awkward. And the bad, the sad part about such a conversation is that this happens to me all the time. People come up to me all the time. And so I should have known how to respond to like coming up to a celebrity. Like I've seen it play out thousands of times with me, right?

And so like I should have, I should be prepared. And so I'm sitting there with Seinfeld. And he's like, so, tell me about you. Like, what do you like? And I'm like, oh, cars. Your show? Cars? And he's like, yeah, but like, so like what kind of cars?

And I'm like, um, Porsche? Yeah, but if only he had said, isn't the 356A, the greatest core ever? Then he could be like, that would have snapped you out of me. Like, no, never mind. Screw that car. He was wonderful, to be honest.

He really was. He literally did come up to me and say, Doug, I watch all your videos, which was very cute. Your response was all of them? And I said, I said, really, Jerry, you watch the Kia minivan ones? And he laughed.

But that was the last time he laughed. The rest of the time he spent, like, astonished that I'm such a, so inept, speaking, considering it's my career. probably hasn't laughed since he probably hasn't watched for my videos since okay next question from DJ double lunch Doug what's your opinion

of the Toyota BZ4X RC car is being used in the Olympics I think one would look at on the table next to Toyota goat and Toyota beat Felipe can you explain to me and watch you like for the Olympics for some event I don't remember which event they used an RC card

that's modeled after the BZ4X or Super Zaltera who can tell I can't remember what. But there was some small purpose for it. Well, what was the purpose? Nobody knows. Toyota's robot cars are retrievers.

They work hand in hand with human staff to return the javelins, hammers, and shot puts and discases. The guy, the picture was posted. These things look absolutely ridiculous. Can you pull up a picture? There's a picture of one with a... Yeah, that one, with like a red fellow in it, who I assume is the Olympic mascot. I stopped paying attention to the Olympic mascots. They don't look the same to me.

I always thought it was a cool trend, and then they all ended up looking like the same. My opinion is that this is the best version of the BZ4X, which is one that you can't be seen in. You know what's most notable? They're worth about the same as a real BZ4X. Yeah. They have the same range, too.

Nice. Zing, got him. Nice. No, I'm kidding. The BZ4X is a, Car. Okay. Next question.

From Paul Hanrahan, what car's pure existence is its biggest court? I've got an answer for you. Okay. The Peugeot 1007. No way. That was a great idea. No. First of all, no.

Second of all, did the fact that somebody decided, I'm going to pull a photo, decided to make a sliding door to... All right. It's a small subcontract. Oh, yes, the one that goes like this. Here's what happened. This is a great idea. They realized the problem with car parks, as we call them in the UK,

is that the doors bang into the car next to you. So they carry them out with a little hatchback that has sliding doors. It was a great idea. Unfortunately, the public didn't think so. There were a couple of issues. One is that they were power sliding doors and incredibly slow. They were. They were.

They were incredibly slow. Second of the said, the doors were incredibly heavy. And therefore the car was incredibly heavy. And the third is, this is like a great concept car. You know, like, yeah, that's a smart idea. How did anybody approve this being built? Who decided, yeah, the financials work out for us on this one? Listen, Felipe, I'm going to tell you this.

The history is littered with things that were thought, maybe this would be a good idea, maybe it won't. Let's try it. And sometimes it's a great idea. When Carl Ben's, proprietor of one of the great car companies for 150 years, when Carl Benz was coming out with a patent motor wagon, which has tires that are this thick and a tiller and a wood bench, like a park,

you think he knew that was going to take off? Here's to the Dreamers. Yep. Who did no? Chrysler minivan took off. It seemed like a weird idea, but look at it now. To be fair, there was a year when they sold more cars, more 1,000s worldwide than Jaguar did in the U.S.

Well, they should take an year off as it turned out. Well, they actually did, Kenan, they've taken off every year since 2009 when the car was canceled. No, when was that car built, Filippa? 04 to 09. You were so right. That's wild. I was in Barcelona and I saw a bunch of, for some reason, whenever I go to Barcelona, I see them everywhere. I don't know if that was, it seems to me that it wouldn't be great about southern European countries.

Because when I went to Portugal, there was no car that wasn't in this era because 08 was the last year anybody had money to purse. just a new car. Yeah, that's so true. They buy all their cars from Germany when the Germans have already gotten used them up. So every car is from 2003 to 08 when there was a great run-up in the European economy. How is the answer to this question not the Morano cross-cabriolet? I mean, the whole- Because I assume this. No, there are reasons.

The sphere of the question is, like, normal manufacturer because you could already like, this is that a marauder or like. Yeah, no, I, you know. So the Marano-Cross cabriolet is insane to me because, like, it was, it was, it was, was insane just as a thought exercise. No, but no, no. I'm going to disagree with that. Because there were a bunch of SUVs that had, that were convertibles at the time.

Or had like a rerun. Yeah, no, let's bring them. The Jeep Wrangler. Then there was also that, well, there was the Jeep Wrangler. The Jeep Wrangler, the best selling two-door car in America, the Jeep Wrangler. Okay. Because it's one that dominated that market. Prior to that, the Chevroletcher, the defender, the Freelander, the LR2,

Wait, wait, let's go slowly through them. The Chevroly tracker was briefly offered as a two-door convertible, but years before the Marano Cavend. Like I said beforehand. Because it was selling poorly. The Defender stopped being offered in 97. The Marano Cross Cabaret came out 15 years after that. What was your next one that was ridiculous? Filippa Barrier, their students of history.

They've looked back. The Land Rover Freelander slash LR2. The Freelander, they was a convertible two-door version that sold for 30 minutes, and then it was so unpopular. they got rid of it in favor of the four-door model. You know, I have this contention that every single two-door SUV in history has failed. Have we ever discussed this? I mean, except for the Wrangler, the best-selling two-door in America. But even the Wrangler is now 85% four-door.

Even the, even the wrangler, the two-door that SUV that ends the discussion, is actually supplanted by a four-sad-svety. And I think it's kind of a funny thing. Like, every, there is not a single two-door SUV that is not fail. And I bring this up and people are like, but what about the Chevy Blazer? And it's like, I don't see any two-door blitz. I don't, do you, no, I failed. May I throw my suggestion? Yeah.

I think it's the smart cross-cabriolet is one of the weirdest, like the fact that it exists at all from major manufacturing. Granted, it didn't exist in the United States. But like, what? Yeah, that's a great. That's a great one. It was insane from the outset. Yeah, the cross-blade was wild. Oh, the cross-blade, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. That's what I assume you meant. Yes, it is. God, look at that crossblade. Pull up that image. It's so cool. Give us a full of Felipe. I want to see what I missed.

Could have been yours. Kenan, we could be driving around in that right now. We should have split it. It sold. That didn't sell with us. It sold after. But he, that, the winner, he deserved that car. Well, that one, yeah, but we had one list a couple weeks ago.

It was in Utah, and it didn't get to reserve, but they put it together after. So even that one's gone. We don't have any available smart. And here we are cross-blade less. Cross-blade those driving around a Toyota Sequoia. What a downgrade. It's only slightly preferential to walking. Okay.

That's our podcast. Felipe, do you have any parting thoughts to say? Yeah, sell your car on cars and bids. Go to cars and bids.com slash sell car to get started. Is that what it is? Carsandbids.com slash sell car. Sell-dash car. If you want to be specific, yeah.

Sell dash car. Kenon, have you sold any cars on cars and bids? As a matter of fact, two, both no reserve. No reserve. Will with the result on both. Yeah, you should be. You did great. I have also sold many cars on cars and bids, and it was a smooth and wonderful transaction.

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