This Had Oscar Buzz - 121 – About Time (with Katey Rich)

Episode Date: November 23, 2020

Richard Curtis arrived in the early 90s with his Oscar-nominated screenplay for Four Weddings and A Funeral and immediately cemented a heartwarming brand of romantic British fare. In the 2000s, he leaped to the director’s chair as well, with a streak that ended in this week’s surprise box office bomb: 2013′s About Time. Once again, deputy editor of … Continue reading "121 – About Time (with Katey Rich)"

Uh-oh, wrong house. No, the right house. I didn't get that! We want to talk to Mel and Heck. I'm from Canada water. I'm from Canada water. This is going to sound strange, but there's this family's secret that the men in the family can travel in time. This is such a weird joke.

It's not a joke. If it's true, which it isn't, although it is, but if it was, which is not, which it is, how would I actually... You go into a dark place, clench your fists, think of the moment you're going to, and you'll find yourself there. Happy New Year! It's going to be a complicated year. It's going to be a complicated life. for me it was always going to be all about love I'm Tim I'm Mary

it's my mother's name I remind you of your mother obviously I should have thought these through more Could you give me one second Hello and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast The only podcast that is incredibly interested in the security of our shit Every week on This Had Oscar Buzz

We'll be talking about a different movie That Once Upon a time had lofty Academy Award aspirations but for some reason or another, it all went wrong. The Oscar hopes died, and we are here to perform the autopsy. I'm your host, Joe Reed. I'm here, as always, with my quirky, irrepressible Richard Curtis-style sister, Chris Fyle. Hello, Chris. Hello.

Am I the me that you went back in time and stopped me from drinking and having a shitty boyfriend? You'll never know. Or am I the me that is the weirdest character description I've ever heard where, like, he says, she's a mom now a bad one and it's supposed to be charming it's so much like if you watch all the other

Richard Curtis movies though he's always got like a sister who's just like the weirdest one and like that's sort of like that's the vibe there I'm sure his real life sister is a fucking trip

like that's my most like fervently held belief about Richard Curtis is that he has like a wild and wacky family which is interesting the actors that Donald Gleason kisses in New Year's.

I swear to God, it was the friend from Fleabag. I didn't get to look it up in time. You know, why is that actress? Why wasn't she the weird sister? Oh, my God. You must be right. Chris, why don't you talk to our listeners about their responsibilities still in our upcoming listeners choice?

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after you guys are listening to this the top four vote getters vote getters not a word the top four movies that have the most votes will be our Twitter poll and then that is the final showdown for what the listener's choice will be I say vote getters I decide

I declare that vote getters is a good enough term for me it's already shaking up to be pretty interesting oh yeah like the submissions list is truly wild and like no movies we have like 120 movies have been called out right now but like nothing is in enough of a commanding lead that like your vote matters basically like you are a citizen of georgia right now essentially in our particular poll your vote matters get out there and vote once and we'll all be fine um Chris we needed

a guest for this episode. Not only we needed a guest for this episode, we needed a guest to compel us to talk about this movie for this episode. We have a tradition to uphold. We do. A Thanksgiving tradition like no other is having one of our very favorite guests on this podcast. She is the co-host of both the Fighting in the War Room podcast and the Little Goldman podcast. Vanity Fair Zone, Katie Rich. Welcome back, Katie. Hello. And you know, this year, the Masters are happening in November. So many Thanksgiving traditions, unlike any other happening this year. That's true. They're happening as we record this. The Masters are happening right now. Yeah. My hometown is right next to Augusta, which is where I was born. So the Masters have a special place.

My heart, even though I know nothing about golf. So I shouldn't have taken us down this word. You were on last Thanksgiving to talk about, remind our listeners, what was your last appearance here. It was Pan, right? That's the last one I did. It was the glorious. Glorious Pan. It's hard because that feels like it was a really long time ago, which I'm sure is a problem we've all had. We're like last November. Right. Right.

Wasn't that several decades ago? Yeah. Oh, that's the other thing. It's like all the things that we could do. And it was just like, and we were mere weeks away from like, you know, the bug making it into, onto American shores and whatnot. Anyway, so we knew we wanted to have you back, obviously. We were one of our faves.

And we, as with last time, we were just like, what do you want to do? And you settled on a film that you know and I know we deeply disagree on. This is setting up a battle. Like I knew I was going to just be touching a nerve the minute we picked it. I appreciate that willingness to combat. Obviously, 2020 is a contentious year just in general. So, yeah, we saw this movie, I don't think together, but, like, in, like, we were at the same screening, but we weren't, like, sitting together. At this point, we didn't really know each other for very long.

We knew each other at this point, but, like. We had met, so we had met the previous year at the Lincoln premiere at New York Film Festival. Yeah, New York Film Festival's, like, really important for our friendship. I know. I know. And then, yes, this was 2013. So this had been the New York Film Festival a year after. Yes.

This was the year that I, like, did. all the local film festivals like super right like I still hadn't gone to TIF yet I've still never as of currently now I've never been to Sundance but that was the year that like I worked with Tribeca Film Festival so I had the like A plus plus pass can go to anything and I just sort of like and my writing responsibilities were like write one post a day about like whatever you watch so I just watched

every odd thing at Tribeca and it was super fun and then at New York Film Festival that was another one where I was just like I have all this time on my hands I'm just going to see everything. And, like, everything was at New York Film Festival this year. So I want to, I sort of jotted it down. Yeah, I didn't know if you were going to make a game out of the New York Film Festival line. No.

If I had more time, maybe, but, like, no, I just sort of worked out. So, like, but just like this, we talk about, like, New York Film Festival sort of not quite in as prestigious terms as, like, Telluride, Venice, you know, Toronto, obviously can or whatever. But, like, opening night was Captain Phillips, which. which like A plus plus closing night was her. And the centerpiece was really the only kind of like dud of the major ones, which was the secret life of Walter Middy, which we've done an episode. I've had to say previous, which I have still never seen.

I don't know how I knew to skip it then, but I did. Yeah, it was. Seeing that movie is the same as not seen. I saw the trailer. I forget so many times that Charlie McLean is in that movie and then remember again. But so other movies at this festival, all is lost. which I saw there. Blue is the warmest color.

Is all lost? This is, this is the way, wait, wait, pause for a second. Yes. The most infamous audience Q&A of all time at the New York Film Festival press screening for this. Yes. Where someone popped up and asked Robert Redford at the end of, or maybe Jason, whatever. No, asked Robert Redford. No, they weren't fucking around.

Yeah. Is all lost. Is all lost after like, and that's, that was the punchline. That was like the chaser. The shot was this like rambling eight minute long preface about the environment and film and whether we can affect change and yada yada and that it was leading all up to is all lost and the collective like groan snort like chuckle that like went around and like so these Q&As happen after the screening and also there's another screening happening later and in the middle of those

screenings people have to like figure out whether they're going to get lunch and like maybe like file a story or get some work done or whatever so everybody's already a little antsy at these Q&As. And it's only press. Like this isn't like random people off the street like college students who can come in and ask a question. It is a press screening. Oh yes. What? Who lost their credentials for this?

Oh, the New York media course. That's the thing is like New York Film Festival press badges go to like people who are film critics and working in film and whatever. And also though, like everybody who's been grandfathered in throughout the decades or whatever, although I don't think this person was particularly old. I think this was like sort of like a young, like with something to prove kind of a person. I would love for this person to come forward at some point. Because the New York Film Festival press screenings are always during the day.

There's like they screen once for press at like 10 a.m. and 2 p.m. every day. So like you need to have a lot of time on your hands to really cover the New York Film Festival. Because if you've got a day job, it's not an option. It's not an option. And that's why it goes on also for like eight years because it just was just like because the major films they have to screen on the weekend so that people will be able to come see them. And so it goes across like four different weekends. or whatever. Isn't everyone so glad they tuned in

for like New York Film Festival? You know what? Honestly, they know what they signed up for at this point. Y'all, I hope this is the shit that y'all enjoy. So, all is lost. Process nerds out there.

For real. Blue is the warmest color. The immigrant, the James Gray movie, The Immigrant. Inside Lewin Davis, which Katie, you and I were also at that premiere screening where like that agitated, drunkard or whatever, had to get, like, hauled off. Physically dragged out of the lobby

at the end of the movie. Oh, wow. That was a good near-con festival. And then when we left Lincoln Center, this is like fancy schmance, Lincoln Center, whatever, and we left in the front. And this person had like pants around the ankles in front of like Alice Tully Hall. It was a whole goddamn thing. Le Weekend was at that festival, Roger Michelle's Le Weekend, which I didn't see there.

I saw at Chicago Film Festival, which I also went to that year because I was experiencing my experience that year. Nebraska, which was ultimately a best picture nominee, only lovers left to love. the Jim Jarmish Vampire movie, which is so good. Stranger by the Lake, which is amazing. They had an out-of-competition screening for 12 years of slave because it was just like, it's apparently not enough eventual best picture nominees in this. Like, we have to also get 12-year-slave.

Also, one thing I found out as I was researching this, the short film of Whiplash screened at this New York Film Festival a few months before the feature film would premiere at Sundance. Yeah, because the feature opened, like, what, the next year? In January of the next year, because it was Sundance. Sundance movie. Yeah. Was this when New York was still doing secret screenings that weren't so secret? Yes, because this was the year that they did.

No, flight wasn't secret screening. Flight was the same year as Lincoln, which was the secret screening. This was, I think, the year that it was my, this was the year that my theory was that it was supposed to be Wolf of Wall Street and it wasn't ready in time. That's my own personal theory. And they waited and they waited. And I think they ultimately screamed while we're young. young and that was just like and everybody was sort of like deflated because it had no wait

no because they screened while we're young after it had screened at tiff so that was the next year i honestly don't remember what the 2013 secret screening was it might have been nothing yeah they might not have done one um because they did hugo and then they did lincoln that yeah those were the two that sort of like set the expectation was just like they're gonna have secret screenings um i'll have to try and remember what that was but anyway so katy and i saw Richard Curtis is about time, which is the one we're talking about, as you know, because you clicked on your podcast app. You know what you said before.

Yeah, exactly. And I remember, I don't even think we talked about it much after, but I remember afterwards hearing you, it might even just been like hearing you talk to somebody else about how much you hated it. And I was just like, oh, I really loved it. And I'm just like, you know, I'm not like still emotional after the screening. Like, I've been able to like compose myself. But like, I've never been able to watch this movie.

without, like, full-on, like, tears coming out of my face crying. Like, it's so, it's, like, clockwork every single time. I was started it again last night, two nights ago, watching it. And literally the first opening bars of the Ben Fold song that opens the movie, I immediately start, like, and then I had to text our friend and former guest, Bobby Finger, who is the person who, only person I know who loves this movie more than I do. And I was just like, Bobby, I just started watching about time. And he just texts me back and he says,

Perfect movie. I was just like, thank you. Okay, so you mentioned the Benfold's The Luckiest, which opens and closes the movie. But it's just like a piano score at the beginning of the movie. And I was already losing my mind because I couldn't tell if it was the luckiest or if it was an original score ripping off Benfold. Well, he recorded a version of the song, especially for this movie.

Like, he had sort of, like, rearranged that song for Richard Curtis to do for this movie. We don't know what movie that song was originally written for, right? No. What? Amy Heckerling's Loser, starring Jason Davis. Get out of here. That's wild. I think I know that because I had that song off of Napster, so it was labeled as being

from the loser soundtrack. Who's the college? Who's the college professor, Minasovari is dating in that movie that, like... I've never seen it. I think it's Greg Kinier. I think it's Greg Kinier. I think it is Greg Kinier. That makes sense for the era for being Greg Kinnear.

Boy, that is a very era-specific. Also, if you watch that, like, everybody's kind of in that movie, too. But it's, like, that middle level where it's, like, Jimmy Simpson, Tom Sadowski, like, that whole, like, are all, like, his friends who all hate him. And yet he's, like, it's a weird thing. That's such a movie that, like, doesn't quite get the difference between high school and college. It's high school where you're friends with people who hate you. Like, in college, you sort of figure that shit out. And you, like, manage to, like, gravitate to people you actually.

enjoy. Right. Exactly. You're no longer compelled to be around the same like handful of people. So you generally don't hang around with people who like loathe the sight of you quite as much. Yeah. But so a lot of the, there's like three songs in this movie that Richard Curtis sort of uses as both song and score because it's that one. It's, um, there's gold in them hills. Now I'm not going to remember the name of the artist, but whatever. And, well, there's the Nick Cave song that comes on, like, later, later, later in the movie. And then there's that How Long Will I Love You song that, that the guys in the subway place. Right. Let's not also forget the iconic, all the things she said by tattooed is in this movie. No, like the actual needle drops in this movie are also kind of, like, like, it's like, it's very soundtrack forward for sure. It's tattoo and then, oh, and Mr. Brightside. And Mr. Brightside.

And then, like, there's Amy Winehouse eventually in the film. And, like, there's a lot of, there's, it's the best film that knows exactly how to use Nellie and Kelly Rowland's dilemma. So, like, I already, like, also, um, points for that. But there's also an original, when you're trying to set period specific to the mid-aughts, like, I'm always going to get bumped up an extra star for that. Yeah. There is original score by Nick Laird Klaus, who Klaus'hows close from the Dream Academy. So, like, it's all very, like, you always get the sense that. when Richard Curtis is making a movie,

that he's sort of trending towards all of his own personal passions, which I really do love. But so, wait, so very briefly, before we, like, really delve into it when we get on the other side of the plot, like, what's, I don't want to be like, what's your problem with this movie? But, like, what's the, like, top line beef with this film?

Well, so first of all, I remember at this New York Fun Festival screening, walking out of it and standing in the lobby of the Walter Reed Theater and seeing Kate Urbland, who is now an editor, Indy Wire, walking out with tears streaming out her face and being like, oh, no, I'm going to be, I'm going to be the one. But you're not fully, like, this was a film that got, like, decidedly middling reviews. Like, some people, like, some people didn't, most people didn't care. I think my, like, I don't hate this movie, but I, it is so up my alley in so many ways that

I want better for it. And the main thing that I get hung up on is that this main character is super horny and he kind of never stops using all of this power he has to get girls or manipulate the women. his life who never know what's going on. And I find that distressing and hard to get over. It's like an original sin of the movie that I never get past as it goes on. I don't entirely disagree. I do disagree with the idea that he never stops doing that because I think a big part of the movie is by the like, as the movie goes on, he and Rachel McAdams's character, like their life sort of becomes this thing that he no longer wants to change.

And that's sort of like the thing by the end. end of it is that he doesn't even go back to even like go and re-experience the days because his father's advice to him is like eventually you go and you live your day once with all the stresses of the world and then you go back and live it again knowing into like basically to smell the roses entirely and then like by the end of the movie he's like I just live each day as if this was that second day so like I think I think that's a that's a good place to end on but that marriage he has and Rachel McAdams is built on a lie And it's not, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. And her character.

That boring marriage he has with Rachel McAdams. Like, there's, the love story in this movie is boring as how. No, I disagree. I disagree. I think they're so charming. I think the charm, like, their chemistry, I think is incredibly good. I'm so won over by like their vibe with each other. And I think it so fits in with the vibe of his family. Like I, like, this is more of a I love my mom and dad movie. I love my sister and my mom, my family movie than necessarily I love my wife. Or like, it all sort of like blends in together. It's an I love my family movie more so than I love this woman movie. And that is by far the strings of it. I got to say, Chris, though, that montage at the very end where he just lets her sleep in over and over again. Like, mm-hmm, that is the marriage you want. That is speaking your language.

You first saw this movie before you had kids and now you have two kids, two gorgeous angel, children, does what, did the experience of watching it change any given how much of the movie is about, not, it's not about, but like there's a lot of the back end of this movie that's them with their kids and them sort of like dealing with, you know, all that kind of stuff. And obviously the big plot crux happens when he realizes that he can't go back earlier than when his kids were born because of wackily convoluted sci-fi thing that doesn't matter. And Richard Curtis would probably agree with you. If you said that, like, I don't know, did it change for you?

Yeah, no, I think, like, there are parts of it, you know, the, I mean, again, this is making my 60-second pause description easier, where he goes back and, like, there's a different child, like, that, like, hits, like, a dire to the heart in a way that I don't think I noticed before I had kids. And, yeah, like, I think I, and also the parent stuff. Like, I feel like I think about my own parents differently than I did before I had kids. Not that we all don't think about our parents more as they get older. But, yeah, I definitely gave it more leeway. And because I think the back half of is when it gets stronger, even though I'm still kind of annoyed by it by the time I get there. I think the better version of this movie doesn't have a love story in it because it can really be the movie that, like, Joe is responding to. And it, like, removes a lot of those problems.

And, like, for me, like, I'm very much on both of your guys aside, I will be Swiss here. How I will have my own opinion is that, like, I got to a certain point with this movie watching it today where I was like, oh, okay, cool, we're wrapping up. This was a nice movie. And then I look at the timestamp, and there's still an hour and 20 minutes left in it. You texting me and had, you texting me the most accusatory,

there's 30 minutes left in this movie. And I was like, okay, first of all, rude, but second of all, the last 30 minutes are where it grabs and, like, yanks your heart out of your chats. Because the last 30 minutes are with all the Bill Nye's stuff. But Bill Nye hasn't been in the movie for a good 45 minutes. So you're like, oh, okay, this is what the movie's about again.

Oh, it's so much about that, though. But they have, like, four different meat cutes in this romance that, like, as Katie mentioned, are entirely engineered by him in a way that is creepy. And then, like, once they're actually together, just, like, the relationship process stuff couldn't have bored me more. It definitely takes away a lot of obstacles, like, a lot of plot obstacles, and in a way that, like, isn't even about the time. travel stuff, we're just like, they just ultimately end up together and get married and have kids. And it's like, boom, boom. I am fragile at this stage in November of 2020. And I deeply, deeply needed, again, to watch this movie and watch these two gorgeous people who have

wonderful chemistry together fall in love without obstacles. And like, that was fine. That was fine with me um wait so before we do get too far into it katie you're right um we're seeping out plot we're leaking plot everywhere so um you i've got to get my little phone and get my little timer and i have not prepared like i think the last couple times i've like somewhat prepared for this when i didn't this time so i can keep time i can i got it on my quick time that's all right i got it so katie rich 60 seconds to sum up the plot of about time and no fair going back and buying yourself more seconds to remind this. Oh my goodness. What would I do with these powers? Because if you do, then Chris will not be the person we remember. And what if he's

improved? How could you improve? Look at that face. You couldn't. All right. So 60 seconds. Are you ready to go? I'm ready. All right. Start. Okay. Donald Gle's in his Tim. He lives with his family in this fancy mansion in Cornwall, even though they say that they are not rich. After disaster's New Year's party, he finds up from his father, Bill Nye, that he and all the men and his family have the ability to travel through time. He tries it out first by trying to get with Margar Robbie, who is his sister's friend. It doesn't work out. He eventually meets Rachel McAdams through this very nice evening. And then he goes back in time to try to help his roommate, Tom Holland, who's great. But by doing that, he doesn't meet Rachel McAdams

anymore. So he has to contrive all these ways to meet her by using information that he learned from her in the previous timeline that she doesn't know about. And eventually she falls for him, even though he has a little information he shouldn't have. They get together. They get married. Their wedding is a big, rainy disaster, but it's very fun. They have kids. At some point, Bill Nye reenters the picture because you find out that he's getting sick. And then Donald Gleason finds out he can't time travel back to help his sister, who's kind of a disaster, because it would change his children, so he realizes that he can't do that. And then they decided to have a third kid after

Bill Nye has died, so he can't time travel back to see his dad anymore. He has to say goodbye to to his dad. But he learns that he wants to live every day as if he's time traveled back through it and ignore all the bad stuff. And it ends in a happy way appreciating your life. And that's time. Perfectly timed. Cannot believe you did that without breaking a while. Again, we talked about the movie for like 15 minutes before we had to start. We did.

It's true. So to Chris, your point about how, and I think you both sort of like that there's a lot of movie before like what the end game of this movie is sort of like kicks in. There's the Margot Robbie sort of section of the movie, which I, it, I spent half of. her screen time before I realized, I don't know why I got that she was a cousin. So I was really upset. Oh, because she's just like there at the house. Like, well, this is like, so like they're a long time. They're all staying out in this mansion. And like, and I like that it brings back to you. It was like, my dad just always has time to hang out and do all these things every day. And then like, eventually that's the whole point of it. That's a nice twist. But like, it's all kind of preposterous

the way that they live their lives. But I should say that between this and the Rebecca remake and Ammonite, I have learned what Cornwall is, which is something that never. ever clicked for me. I always knew what Cornwall is because I'm a big Tori Amos fan and at some point in her life, she married a British guy and just moved to Cornwall and like recorded all her albums by the sea and Cornwall. So the really, the only thing I knew about Cornwall is that it was near the water, like near the, but it's like super far away. Like that's the part that never, it's like five hours from London, which is a lot. Yeah. But yeah, like it's the whole like set up of them being in their like their giant mansion, even though Bill Nye is like,

I don't know anyone who's happy who's rich. It's like, dude. Have you seen your house? They really do sort of like very much file away in the matter that like a lot of time travel movies do where they're like, all time travel movies take a scene to be like these are the things we are going to care about time travel in this movie and these are the things that we are not. And this movie is just like it's not going to be about getting rich and it's not going to be about doing this or that. It's mostly going to be about just like loving your dad. And that's going to be like you can't kill Hitler. Right. Even if you get rich, it doesn't really matter.

I feel like the time travel rules of it are okay. Like, I think they do a decent enough job with it. They change the time travel rules, though, towards the end of the movie. Because he takes his sister back with him. We didn't know that you could take people with you. That's the thing that happens that is new at that moment. That's how you time travel, Ocean's 11 rob a banking. And there's a whole part.

There's a part early on where he's like, I think the first time he's contriving to meet Rachel McAdams and his sister is there, like, helping him. And, like, it's unclear she, like, knows what's happened or like she's just like, hey, we're going to come here and help you creep on this woman. Like, it's her level of knowledge of it. And again, the thing that I can never get over in it is that there's all these female characters who are super hot like Marga Robbie or like supposed to be emotionally important. And none of them are clued in to what is going on around them.

That's incredibly significant. And I can't get over that part. I agree with that. My big agreement with you, I think, is that like I wish Rachel McAdams' character had more agency in this film. And like, she really can't because of. the plot machinations, like, because of the central, uh, the time travel thing. Like, unless she can time travel also, she's not, she's never going to be able to know as much,

and have as much agency as, as him. But I do the, speaking of the Margot Robbie thing, and I thought this was the thing I thought of watching it this time specifically. I like that that section of the film ends with the lesson of, you can't time travel somebody who doesn't love you into loving you. Like that sort of. And that's like, you would think that would be like a real basic lesson, but like it's a lesson that like a lot of movie characters need like would do well to learn, not the time travel thing, but like persistence is not a virtue necessarily. Like persistence and and even with the like the time travel that he ends up doing with Rachel McAdams feels more about putting himself in the right place at the right time so that like this opportunity to be with her doesn't pass. by him by chance, so that he doesn't meet her too late.

Do you know what I mean? The first time he really time travels with her is so he can meet her before this guy she's dating. And like, whatever, it's still manipulation. It's still machinations. You're both not wrong. But, like, I don't know. I think, and partially it's because Richard Curtis

seems like to come by all of his sweetness so honestly. Like, he never seems like a cynical writer to me. And I think that's his biggest virtue is that, like, he always seems to be just like oh like you really just do like you're this gaga over like young people in love and like that's great he also is smart to uh set his movie off on the right foot by casting donald gleason the world's most charming man like he's so cute so so so cute and like the only if he doesn't come off creepy to you in this movie and what he is doing it is because don't know i don't know How do I, what's the comparison for like a Mr. Rogers of romance? Like, he's just how much like, I mean, he played the Winnie the Pooh guy in that one, in that one film, the other, the non-Ewen McGregor, uh, Winnie the Pooh movie. Oh, the, um, the Peter Rabbit one. No, Margot Robbie.

Also Peter Rabbit, but yeah. Goodbye Christopher Robin. But, yeah. Well, isn't, no, who is it who's in the Peter Rabbit animated one where Rose Byrne plays Beatrix Potter? I think it's him. and he plays Mr. McGregor. Yeah, it's him. And there's, yeah, the movie sucks.

The one I'm talking about... But they are great. The one I was talking about, though, is Goodbye Christopher Robin, which is also... Oh, right. We're talking about Winnie the Pooh and Peter to the Rapids. Right, right. Still, both rabbit forward properties.

So he's not dancing hot because of course is creepy, but he comes across his stunted in this way. Sure. Like, where the first thing he does with his powers is he goes back to New Year's party and kisses this girl, who is in fact, boo from Fleabag. Hey, we figured out. Well spotted, Chris.

and he's like great and then he kind of uses that to try to get with Margar Robbie and he uses that to try to get with Rachel McAdams and then he just like he keeps making these dumb social mistakes

like when he sees Margar Robbie again at the ballet or whatever it is and like just trips all over himself and it's like sort of charming but also in a way that's just like

don't you know how to talk to a person and like that combined like I just don't think it treats any of its female characters that well so that it counterbalances that like especially Vanessa Kirby's character

which what a delightful surprise to me to realize that was Vanessa Kirby. This was the first time I watched this movie knowing who Vanessa Kirby was. Yeah, I definitely know. And she's so funny. And she's so funny. And she's just want to see her movie.

She should be the one allowed to time travel. Oh my God. She would get in so much trouble. But like they call her a prostitute like multiple times. And like just the shamedness of that I don't love. And there's just so little. And I think love actually has some of this problem too. But love actually has enough characters that kind of balance the weight of it.

But it doesn't, it's not fair to them. And I don't think Richard Curtis is cynical, but he's just super male. And it can't get past that worldview, including this don't know what's in character just being like this bumbling idiot who's super charming. But like, learn to read a room. Even like Lindsay Duncan, her most standalone moment is her saying, I can't live without your father, which like Lindsay Duncan rules. I like that moment of itself. But like the mom doesn't really have anything. no she really doesn't other than her life is defined by her husband yeah i'm gonna like very

slightly correct you though because i think the the wording in that line matters and the wording of that line is i'm so thoroughly uninterested in the life without your father which i think changes it enough where it's just like it's it's a great line it's more it becomes more about her than it is about him i also feel like i think he writes that family really wonderfully for as quirky as kit cat is and whatever and what a disaster he is like he writes families like that really well. And in this one specifically. And like, I don't, this, we talked about two weeks ago, Chris, when we did our Solaris episode about like what comes first the chicken or the egg when it comes to Jeremy Davies. Like, do you write a squirrelly character and then cast Jeremy Davies? Or do you

cast Jeremy Davies and thus your character is squirrelly? That's my same thing with Bill Nye and Lindsay Duncan. I was going to say, do you write the cardigan first? Or just like, do you write the like bone-dry humor first or do you like or does that come from because like it's such perfect casting the way that they are both that same level of just like absolute dryness but also endearing and you like it's this very British thing I'm sure and whatever stiff up or lip yada but like keep calm and you know have a bonfire at the beach or whatever um but they're so perfect and she's like Lindsay Duncan is so perfect in this. And this was the same

fall that she was in The Weekend, the aforementioned The Weekend, which I'm going to keep mentioning until people watch it because it's great. Was this the same year as Birdman? No. Birdman's the next year. Birdman's in the next year. Yes, Birdman, which like takes Lindsay Duncan and does her so wrong

and makes her the Gorgon movie critic who ruins everything or whatever. But like, but like, in that movie, in the weekend, it's her and Jim Broadman. And again, it's just like she's and that's a movie that's more like about her obviously um but it's just this like absolutely it's not icy like there's a difference between her dryness and being like icy or closed off like she's a person like she's a person you feel like you know but she's just like

absolutely uh you could see why rachel macadams would be intimidated by her and yet like once she gets to know her like absolutely loves her i wanted to talk about about Richard Curtis sort of like as a entity. He, I believe his only Oscar nomination, Chris, correct me if I'm wrong, is Four Weddings in a Funeral, Screenplay for Four Weddings and a Funeral. Four Weddings and a Funeral, which I didn't remember as being only nominated for Best Picture and Best Original screenplay, but that is wild to me. Yep, yep.

It was, it was kind of a surprise nominee that year. And the thing about Richard Curtis that I think is so interesting is, I think if you asked somebody without looking at IMDB, how many films he's directed, they would probably name like five or six movies. And really, it's, yeah, it's this, it's Love Actually, and it's Pirate Radio. And everything else is stuff where he's written the screenplay and other people have directed. but he's one of those writers where and Aaron Sorkin is sort of like this, although like Aaron Sorkin's movie is also got directed by people, well, in like Fincher's case where it's just like Fincher really like wrestles for control of that movie as well of social network. But like I'm thinking of like a few good man, American president, which to me are Aaron Sorkin movies, even though they're both directed by Rob Reiner. I think Richard Curtis is the same way. We're like, you don't think of four weddings in a funeral as a Mike Newell movie.

you think of it as a Richard Curtis movie. You don't think of Notting Hill as a Roger Michelle movie. You think of that as a Richard Curtis movie. And he's, I think it's almost like David Mamet-ish, although David Mamet also has like the whole like stage aspect to his career, whatever. But like he's the signature guy on his stuff and he's managed to make this really strong brand out of quirky dialogue forward. really well-cast British comedies. I completely forgot he has a writing credit on Mamma Mia, here we go again.

Yeah, that's story credit. Here's the thing, though. Richard Curtis, though, a lot of his writing credits, and probably, to like your point, Joe, it's maybe a little bit outsized that we think of things as Richard Curtis entities because he's a co-writer on a lot of these movies or, like, did a script polish, on it or you know

I had totally forgot that he Bridget Jones and War Horse. Warhorse. That's the thing. I was just like I was I did not realize that he had a script credit on Warhorse. But yeah, like he adapted the first two Bridget Jones movies and also I had no idea until I was

looking up stuff for this episode that he essentially made his career side by side with Rowan Atkinson in doing Blackadder and then Mr. Bean. and that, like, Mr. Bean was sort of his, like, entry into everything else. He also did that Don French show, The Vicar of Dibley, which is not a show I watched, but I know the title of because the title is so unique sounding. It is such a 30 Rock joke of a British series.

Oh, absolutely. Well, that's the other thing. It's just like he's created this kind of archetype that, like, the Michael Sheen character in 30 Rock sort of. feeds into, right? Where it's just like this, and that Hugh Grant kind of created, too, with four weddings, but like them together, this sort of stammering and floppy-haired and adorable. And Donald Gleason, like, fully fits into that archetype in this film. But, like, where do you two come out on the Richard Curtis thing in terms of, like,

how do you feel about his stuff? I haven't seen Pirate Radio. I should see Pirate Radio because I probably would like it. This is the first, like, Richard Curtis property thing that I would actually ascribe to Richard Curtis that I watched that I didn't care for. Because, like, to your point of what the Richard Curtis brand is, it's just, like, it's charming, it's emotionally satisfying, even if people are crazy, like, love actually. Yeah. So, like, it's hard not to be satisfied by it. He has, like, a very, he knows what, like, is going to stir people's emotions.

He knows what's, like, cozy to watch. This one just didn't work for me. Yeah, I feel like... All right, Switzerland, with you being like, I'm going to be totally in the middle of you. And now, 40 minutes in, you hate this movie. Okay, all right. I don't hate the movie. When it works, it works.

And, like, you're right that, like, the family stuff really works. It's just, like... And it's true of love, actually, too. when love actually works, it works, but like it almost like sledgehammers you into submission by the end of it. There are full plots of Love Actually that I hate and I still love that movie. Like there's no, the mathematics of it don't work out, but like it's fine. Well, but also with Love actually like it all, it doesn't add up together.

Like it all is separate enough that it doesn't compound whatever. I'm not good at math. And I like if I had seen Love actually when I was 30 instead of 22 or whatever the math is, like maybe I wouldn't have like, maybe I would have seen through it more the way I did with about time. but, like, I'm here for love, actually. I haven't seen For Weddington and a funeral since I was, like, a kid. Oh, it was one of those, like, grown-up movies that I wasn't old enough for when it came out and, like, like, absorbed in other ways. Watch that movie and then be as over-the-top in love with Kristen Scott Thomas as you've ever been in your whole life.

Like, she's going to say, she's so good. I'm, like, never not over-top in love with Christopher Thomas. Well, like, get ready to, like, go into overdrive because it's truly something. She's, like, the secret sauce of that movie that makes it work to me. 100%. Simon Callow as well, I think, but yes. She's fantastic in that movie Wait, where was I going to go with this?

Richard Curse. Oh, Pirate Radio. You know what movie ends exactly like Dunkirk does? Pirate Radio. I was fully not prepared for that. Like, there's a point in pirate radio where you're just like... With Harry Stiles reading a newspaper on a train? Yeah.

You wouldn't think so. But yeah, no, but there was a point in pirate radio where I'm like, are they going to kill all of them? Like, are they all going to drown and see? And then just, you know, happy ending, of course, because it's a Richard Curtis thing. But, and that is a movie, boy, if you feel like about time was all about the needle drops, like, pirate radio as its name would sort of, like, write itself a permission slip for, is just like every three seconds, it's another, like, classic rock song from, like,

my dad's bin of records that he sold at a garage sale and never got over. And it was a whole thing. It's not a bad movie. but you get why that one was like the first the sort of like Richard Curtis failure because I think like even in Britain like in Britain his movies were like blockbusters that's the other thing as I wrote this down as I was looking this up too

where like four weddings in a funeral became the top grossing film in Britain in history and then Notting Hill surpassed it like the next time out so like clearly like for a time at least they were all sort of super gaga for it Richard Curtis really knew what he was doing yeah so back to Donald Gleason for a second

who I think we all agree is like rumpled perfection in this film and like has become for me this I've told you both about how like my fantasy is to at some point write a Richard Curtis style rom-com where it's Donald Gleason and James McAvoy falling in love and I part of that

I'm here for that. Part of that is just sort of just like fan fiction come to life and yet like I'm on it. What's the height difference between them though? I feel like I worry it would be very large. James McAvoy does seem like he would be short, right? Emotionally speaking, Donald Gleason is not tall. He is actually tall. But emotionally speaking, like he is a good six inches taller than me and I still want to pat him on the head.

Oh, I don't know about that. I feel like he has emotional height. I turned the corner at Toronto last time we were in Toronto. and James McAvoy and his lady companion were walking about half a block ahead of me. So he didn't seem to especially short then. So I'll give him that. All right. I'll allow this rom-com.

But the thing with Donald Gleeson is to me, like, he's, there's this archetype of this sort of pale, wispy, sort of like, rumpled-haired, British. guy who's like sort of having a moment in this current decade. And I think like I think about him and Ben Washaw a lot because I feel like my like crushes on them are both very similar. Ben Wichaw is too tiny to be in a rom-com with Donald Lisa. I'm just going to lay that. They're both very, they're too similar that you really need to have some contrast. So the last time, Katie, that you were on this podcast, I made a game out of, um, what did it

start with. It was Charlie Hunnam and Garrett Headland about the similarities between them and the interchangeability. Right. It got to... It was a whole thing. Sam Worthington. I'm going back to basics here. One of the finest moments of this podcast. I'm going back to basics. I'm just, it's just now, Donald Gleeson and Ben Washaw are like the archetype. And I'm going to read you guys. You're going to take turns. And I'm going to give you the names of their characters and the short description of them in the movie, and then you tell me if I'm talking about a Donal-Gleason character or a Ben-Wishaw character, okay? Okay.

All right. Who would like to go first? Katie, you're our guest. You should go first. All right, I'll go first. Okay. So, again, Donald Gleeson or Ben-Wishaw, starting off as Constantine Levin, a chaste landowner in Anna Karenina.

Oh, that's definitely Donald Gleason. That's definitely Donald Gleason. Although Ben-Wishaw could have done it. Oh, like, hence my point. This is the point, yeah. But Donald Gleason's so good in that movie. Okay. Oh, so good.

Chris, as Henrik, a romantic interest in the Danish girl. That would be Washa. That has Ben Washa. All right. Katie. As Andrew, an ill-fated fur trapper in The Revenant. Oh, that's Donald Gleason. That is Donald Gleason.

I don't think Ben Wichh could have survived. Well, Donald Gleeson didn't survive that movie either. Spoiler alert. Well, I didn't remember that part. Yeah, I think doesn't like Tom Hardy, like, go out into the woods and kill him because he'd figure it out or something? I literally don't remember if anyone survived the revenant now. Yeah, well, I don't think so. All right.

Chris, as Thomas McGregor, an uptight Londoner, terrorized by a bunny in Peter Rabbit. And that would be Mr. Donaldson. That's Donald Lisa, and we talked about that. Okay, Katie, as John, a lovelorn man with a limp in the lobster. Oh, that's Ben Wachaw. That's Ben Wachaw. Chris, you guys are killing this. Chris, as Phil, one of the other plane crash survivors in Unbroken?

That would be Donald Gleason. That is Donald Gleason. Katie. As Herman Melville in the heart of the sea. Ooh. Oh, that I don't know. Did you see this movie? No, I did not.

I'm going to guess Ben Wichaw. That is, good guessing. That is Ben Wichaw. All right. Chris, as a long surviving polio sufferer in Breathe. That would be. That's Andrew Garfield. That is Andrew Garfield because now we're playing Dono Gleason or Ben Whishaw or Andrew Garfield.

Very well done, Chris. All right. Katie. I saw that movie. You're the one person who saw that movie. I did red carpet interviews for that movie. Wow. All right.

Okay. As Katie, as Lord Sebastian Flight, a wealthy aristocrat in Brideshead Revisited. Oh. Is that been Wishaw? That has been Wishaw. All right. Chris, as Rodney, a townie who befriends the trio of Halsham students after they leave the school and never let me go.

That is Andrew Garfield. No, Andrew Garfield is one of the students. It's Donald Gleason. You were wrong first, Chris. First strike goes to Chris. All right. Damn it. Hot clone couple, Donal Gleason.

And Andrea Reisborough, absolutely. All right. Katie. As Francis Weston, accused of committing adultery with Anne Boleyn in The Other Billin Girl. Oh, shit. I do not know. I'm going to guess. I'm going to guess Donald Gleason.

It's Andrew Garfield. Everybody is in the Other Boleyn Girl. That's the thing about like... I saw that movie, but I didn't know who Andrew Garfield was. Yeah. All right. Chris, as Monty Schaefer, a CIA handler in American Maid. Oh, that's Donald Gleason.

It is Donald Gleason. Very good. Katie, as John, an aspiring songwriter who ends up performing in a weird band in Frank. Oh, that's Donald Gleason. That is Donald Gleason. Chris, as Sidney, a feckless little wannabe gangster in layer cake. Matthew Vaughan's Learcake. That's Ben Wischaw.

Very good. Wow. That would have been really early for him. Katie, as R, a romance-inclined zombie in warm bodies. Ooh. I know Nicholas Holtz in warm bodies. I'm going to guess Andrew Garfield. Nope. It's a Nicholas Holt because now it's Donald Gleeson or Ben Wichaud or Andrew Garfield or Nicholas Holtz. Chris. Nicholas Holt, my darling boy. I know. God, we love him. As a spirit who aids Helen Mirren's Prospera in The Tempest. This is for Chris.

That has Ben Wischaw. That has Ben Wischaw. He's a scary, scary ghost. Katie, as Anton, a traveling theater performer in the imaginarium of Dr. Parnassas. Woof. I think that's Andrew Garfield. It is Andrew Garfield. All right. Chris, as the enigmatic Nicola Tesla in the current war. That is Nicholas Holt.

He's so good in that part. He is. He's the best part of that whole movie. That's who the movie should be about. All right. I know. Katie, as Sonny, the husband of a suffragette in Suffragette. L-O-L-L.

I have no idea. Nicholas Holt. Ben Wishaw. Oh. All right. Chris, as J.D. Salinger in the biopic Rebel in the Rye. Oh, shit. Ben Wischaw?

This is a twist. That's Nicholas Holt. Nicholas Holt. Yeah, no, no twist. I knew that as a thing that existed, but I did not see that. Katie, as Arthur Rimbo in I'm Not There. Oh. That's Ben Whishaw.

It is Ben Whishaw. Very good. Yes. Chris, as Arthur Kipps, a young lawyer in a haunted house in the woman in black. That's Daniel Radcliffe. That's Daniel Radcliffe. We ended up Daniel Rathcliffe or Ben Wischaw or Andrew Garfield or Nicholas Holt or Daniel Radcliffe. You guys both did amazingly.

Katie, I'm ashamed at how well we did. I know. Actually, no, I'm not. I knew I wasn't going to be able to pull the wool over your eyes like the last time. But you guys did very well. Our beefy American hunks were not so good on. I know. That also is perfect. That you're like, yes, exactly. Pale British rumplehairs. Yes. Yes, please. I think we can dub this game indistinguishable white men. The name of the game. There's so many of them. It's true, though. God, I love them, though.

Wait, before we get off a... No, go ahead. Before we get off a Don't know, please send it. Any of you guys watch Run the HBO series? I did. I watched it all the way through. And it truly has a... midpoint twist in the series that kills the show. Literally. Absolutely true. The first episodes of it were so exactly what I have wanted for Dono Gleason because it's like sexy and he's like handsome and weird and you're like, oh my God, like did I manifest this in my brain?

And then the show just falls apart so thoroughly. It's so Amtrak focused, which is like speaking to me. Like only Joe Biden loves Amtrak more than me at this point. So like I like I loved all of that. it was very Amtrak-specific, and I loved it. And the chemistry between the two of them was fantastic. But Chris is absolutely right. That reaches that point where it's just like,

why would you make this show when you were doing so well with that show? Like, what the fuck? Why is it all of a sudden about what? Give me before sunrise. So, the first three episodes of that show, pretend that that is all it is. And because of the stuff, like, the place where they bring those two characters at the end point, I'm like, if you would have had this beginning build to this end just from them as like a romantic like dromedy on a train like this would have been great like you could have gotten

there without all this like all of a sudden it turned into fargo for three episodes and i was just like what the fuck is going on here it's so i love febe waller bridge as much as anybody but like the show didn't need her to show up as like like you know a marge gunderson type with an american accent yeah i was i was really disappointed by it but you're right like that's what you want for Donald Gleason. Like, that's the kind of role. Also, he usually plays these like man children. In about time,

he plays as young as 21 when he was like 30 at the time, 30-ish. And in run, he's like nearing 40 and it's like, and he's allowed to be somebody who is nearly 40 rather than I am perpetually 30 years old. And it was even more sexy than

Oh, yeah. Although how was General Hux? Like, spiritually, he was said. Okay, I was about to pivot to General Hux for sure. General Hux is spiritually 12 years old. On the, like, in the cast rankings for the new Star Wars movies, how high up does Holt, or this Holtz, now I'm doing it, how high up does Donald Gleason go in terms of, like, the best performances in those films, like, the best cast member of those films?

I think it's really high. He's like top three easy for me. This is where I confess I never saw the third one. You're fine. There's actually, I pretend it didn't have. I don't remember even what he does in that movie. Okay.

So I was just like, I don't really remember what he did in the second one that well either. It's more of the same, but it's so good. It's just so like. I think he's wonderful in those movies. And like his whole relationship with Adam Driver, like you just want really a whole spin-off about them like jockeying for

attention from the big boss. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's what I want. I want to talk about Bill Nye a little bit because he's sort of the closest that this movie came to Oscar Buzz. And he had, I think he came even closer with Love Actually. And I think a lot of people would maybe look back and feel like that might have been like a really cool Oscar nomination. That was 2003. Tim Robbins won for Mystic River for what I think is a really bad performance.

I'm trying to remember off the top of my head the other nominees. Benicio del Toro for 21 grams. Ken Watanabe for The Last Samurai, which I love Ken Watanabe, but like the Last Samurai is a bad movie. And Alec Baldwin for the Cooler, which like I feel like the critics were really, really behind that. And like, that's fine. As before we knew we were going to give Alec Baldwin, like, eight Emmys.

Jaiman Hansu for In America was like the big surprise. Yeah. Jaiman Hansu gets the surprise nomination. Peter Sarsgaard was snubbed for Shattered Glass. But like Bill Nye was sort of up in that conversation too for at least a little while because his character in love actually is like the showiest, I think. Like it's basically him and Emma Thompson, right? Emma Thompson was flawless.

He was kind of the discovery of that movie, even though there was the rocker movie before that's still crazy that I think was like the first yeah right um but like only people in britain really saw that movie like that wasn't really across even though it was a golden globe nominee and whatnot but like yeah yeah yeah yeah he was this discovery at like however old he was the discovery of that movie yeah yeah he's so fun he's so like it's amazing to me because to me it's always just like oh i love bill nigh and whatever he does But, like, he really does manage to play an interesting cross-section of characters. If I feel like my, like, three favorite Bill Nye performances are about time, love actually, and then pride, which, of course, Chris and I can't get through a Bill Nye episode without talking about Pride.

Have you just done a Pride episode? No, we should. I don't know if it ever really had real Oscar buzz, but, like, we'll cheat for that one because it's so wonderful. I mean, listeners, if listeners want it, they can vote for it. That's true, listeners. But it's three very different characters, I think, when you talk about. about those three roles, even though, like, the general vibe is just like, oh, don't you just love Bill Nye? But like, but it's just like he's got a lot of range within, I think, having a sort of core vibe that he keeps in everything that he does.

Even when he is covered in CGI as a squid man. Stop bringing up Bill Nye in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Chris, so we have our little Scatterigories games, which we've talked about a little bit. But, like, every single time there is an excuse to bring up Bill Nye in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, Chris will find a way. And I am, like, got to get those points, baby. Biologically unable to retain any information about those movies past the first one, even though I loved that first one so much. Yeah, I don't remember. Like, Penelby Cruz gets in them eventually.

And Harvey R. Javier Baird M. In separate movies. Were they in the same ones? No. Like, you would think, but no, they are not. God, think of how long their family spent to and fro parts of the Caribbean movies. That would be actually...

Their nanny had to be there so much. Forget about this conversation by the time you're on this podcast next time, Katie, because that's absolutely the next game where I'm just going to give you names of actors and you're going to tell me whether they were or were not in parts of the Caribbean movies. And you're just not going to know. It's just going to be like... Okay, because the fifth one, which I didn't see, but they were like, okay, we can't get Kira Knightley and...

Orlando Bloom in these movies anymore. We have to have a new love story. Wasn't it like... Jackson Ratbone or someone? But wasn't it the girl from Skins who was in the maze runner movies? Yeah, wasn't it? Who was in the Wuthering Heights movie that was so good? Maybe.

Wasn't it Wuthering Heights? I could be totally wrong about her being in pirates, but like it could... No, I think you're right. Kayla Scaladario. If I told you that like Kara Delavine was like a water sprite in that film, like you wouldn't know that I'm lying. but like um wait chris can i do a mini game and not have you guess who the boy was who they recast uh randomly with if i just tell you it's somebody like that it's somebody yeah i have never seen them in a movie before i think i might know it what do you think my guess is brenton thwaites yes yes i was going to give you other movies he's been in but like it's a gods of egypt and the giver like none of that he's in oculus which is actually a really good movie although not because of him,

but it's him and What's Her Face who plays Nebula in the Avengers movies. Oh, Karen Gillen. Karen Gillen. And, like, she's really good. Oh, Mike Flanagan. Oh, yeah. He of Doctor Sleep.

Yeah, it's, it's, uh, he did that before he did, um, Gerald's game and Hush, which were the two Netflix movies that I really, really loved. Um, yeah. Oculus. Worth seeing not necessarily a Brenton Thwait's joint,

but like, uh, he is, he is a main character. One is going to see things for printed plates. One other Bill Nye question, has any, have either of you guys ever seen Gideon's daughter, which won him and Emily Blunt? No, but I absolutely remember that he. You remember that? It was like right after Devil Wear's Prada, I think, for Emily Blunt.

So it was just like, oh, here she is for this thing I've never heard of before. Also, he was in an HBO TV movie called The Girl in the Cafe that Richard Curtis wrote that won an Emmy for Kelly McDonald. It was him and Kelly McDonald, who are like, they both like work for. the UN or have something to do with like a G8 summit and it's sort of like The hell does the cafe come in? Because they're like, they're like, that's where they like,

U.N. No, they're like literally like on a break from like, uh, summit meetings and they like, solving world problems and essentially, yes. That's essentially yes, but also like I think falling in love or like one of those like lost in translation type things where it's just like maybe they don't like love each other but like there's a vibe there. I don't know.

I've never seen it. So lost in translation meets Nicole Kidman. recommends the interpreter. Yes. Yes. Who doesn't want that log line in their lives, for sure? It's so weird that Gideon's daughter is still the only Golden Globe, Emily Bunn has. Like the queen of the Golden Globes.

No, she's, I thought, oh, no, she's been nominated for a bunch. She's been nominated a bunch of times. That's because, like, the Golden Globes famously, like, loved her way, way better than, obviously, the Oscars ever did. But, yeah, I guess that would be, because that was the same year she was nominated for Devil Wars Prada, I'm pretty sure, was Gideon's daughter. Yeah. It was. Because the Golden Globes do. the double nominees.

They do. Chris, we've talked about this particular year at the AARP movies for Grownups Awards a lot. Hell. So I want to like steer this to Katie because Katie hasn't tread this ground as much as we have. Because we've literally talked about this when we talked about enough said. We did an episode on Enough Said and Julia Louie Dreyf is nominated.

We did an episode on the way, way back, which won at least it won best comedy. at this. But About Time is nominated for two AARP Movies for Grownups Awards. So Katie it was nominated for best screenplay, screenwriter Richard Curtis. Do you want to take a guess

as to the 2013 movies, one of which was the Best Picture nominee that year that you and I saw together at a screening? Oh. Oh boy. And we walked out and I think, yes, it's American Hustle. Good memory. Very good.

That we both walked out and we were just like, what the fuck was that? I remember because that was right after I started at Vanity Fair, like the week of or something like that. And I was like hustling to get to that screening room like in the rain. It was. I remember it raining. Yeah. That's a solid movie for Rotterdam's nominee. One of them was an aforementioned New York Film Festival screening that we were at the same one at Alice Tully Hall.

We just told a whole story about it. Was it? Was it lost? No. We just told a story about somebody. getting escorted out. Inside Lewin Davis? Movies are grown-ups nominee.

That's weird. One of them was, I just mentioned it, was this had Oscar Buzz movie with a female writer-director. Oh, enough said. But the winner was an Oscar nominee for screenplay that year,

I'm pretty sure, was the third in a trilogy. Quality choice. Oh, before midnight? Before midnight. Oh, what a great choice. Yep. That's a good lineup.

It's a very good lineup. It's a good, like, this was a year where, like, there were a lot of really good options in the awards conversation. And this is why, yeah, this is why we get so mad about Tom Hanks getting left out for Captain Phillips because there were like 10 really strong contenders for Best Actor that year. And he shouldn't have been left off. Like, there are people who got nominated Christian Bale in American Hustle who shouldn't have been nominated. But, like, it was a really strong year. I mean, we talked about Castaway a couple weeks ago. on Little Gold Men, which I assume anyone listening to this has listened to that cross-offer episode because it was so fun.

But, yeah, ever since I've been stewing over Captain Phillips anew, like, I can't, I'm never going to get over it. I went back and watched that scene, which if you've seen Captain Phillips, you know what scene I'm talking about. I watch it again, and I still just really can't wrap my brain around what Tom Hanks does in that scene. It is like, I don't know. I don't respond to movies very often where I, like, start crying. before I realize what's happening to me. But that movie is one of the scenes where you're like, oh, God. And that's what's happening to him in that scene, too.

I know. Because it's Tom Hanks and what you've been through. Yeah. Like, I guess the Matthew McConaughey win really his age poorly. Like, we all know that Jared Lutto win has aged poorly. And I think Matthew McConaughey's reputation is more intact. And he was like on such a run going up to this. Yeah.

But like when you go back and look at that, it's a bummer. Everything, everything would be better if he had just been nominating. nominated and won for Magic Mike. Like, nothing would be worse. As we voted on our Magic Mike episode. Christoph Valtz already would still have the Oscar for Inglorious Bastards. He didn't need the second one. We really didn't need to give Christop Valtz a second Academy Award.

So, like, nothing bad and all this good would have happened. And then Leo would have won. I think Leo would have won for Wolf of Wall Street. And then it leaves, we've, I've done this game before. We're like, then it leaves this, like, void in 2015. that I can never quite find a great storyline for who wins instead. So I always default to Matt Damon winning for The Martian, which is like fine. I think, unfortunately, okay, because it was Leo, Matt Damon, Brian Cranston,

ugh, Eddie Redmayne, oh, who am I forgetting? Michael Fastbender, who would have been my vote for Steve Jobs? That would have been my vote, too. but I think, unfortunately, what you have done instead of Christoph Valtz having two Oscars, Eddie Redmayne probably has two Oscars. Oh, I don't think Eddie Redmayne would have won for the Danish girl. I don't think he would have.

But I think Leo might have won twice. That was the next year. You think Eddie Redmayne was going to win two in a row? Maybe. I think it's more likely that Leo wins two or that like the Brian Cranston train starts a run in and no one can get away from it. And I don't know, man.

Everyone's dead on the tracks from Trump. You guys, you know what we're doing with this speculative Oscar theorizing? What are we doing? We are traveling time. We are changing. We are changing history. We are. I thought you were saying we're going to have a spin-off podcast, just a speculative Oscar history.

I don't know how you could have a beginning, middle, and end of a podcast like that. It would just be, okay, Joe and I are going to record for a solid 24 hours and we'll chunk that out into the, I want to put a pin in AARP and go back to Bill Nye's nomination. But, like, you mentioned the time travel. And I want to sort of, because, like, A, like, Richard Curtis has said in interviews, he did an interview with our aforementioned good friend Bobby Finger for Vulture, which was, like, fantastic at the time, made me cry. He talked about how just, like, I didn't really make a time travel.

Like, I made a time travel movie, but, like, the time travel was not really important to me. And, like, you can tell. And, like, it's not really important to me either. but like there are portions of this that fully like they do really jump the track and the one was the moment where Chris you texted me and you were just like I didn't realize that sperm was going to be a whole like important plot point in this movie yeah like they have to note how sperm functions in this time travel that like the randomness of one particular sperm finding an egg makes a unique child and that's why you can't time travel before you've had a child or else like even think about that while I was doing the concept of this movie. And the movie made me think about that. It's not a bad notion exactly. But like, so if that comes into play when he goes back, he wants to make sure that his sister doesn't have this life of sort of going for the wrong men.

And then ultimately she ends up in a car crash and her life is sort of in shambles. And again, I think that is an underrated moment of Donald Gleason's character learning that you can't manipulate your way out of everything and that at some point you have to sort of play it as at least. is essentially. But he goes back, he fiddles with time, brings Kit Kat back, which again, as Chris has said, was not established up until that point in that movie. But they change things, and then he goes back and then his daughter is now his son. Now, two things. One of them is, when they return from going back in time and they're in the cupboard again, all of a sudden, Kit Kat's in love with doofy his friend. Oh, God. His friend who, like, he doesn't like any of his friends. His friends are all terrible. And he, like, is just one of the terrible friends. Right. But so all of a sudden, when they get back into the cupboard, she's like, Jay. And he's like, wow, really?

And, like, all of a sudden now emotionally, she's feeling this thing because, like, she's now in love with Jay because the version of her that is in this timeline has fallen in love with Jay. So A, my question is, wouldn't that have also happened to Tim that all of a sudden he would be like, I have a son. I love my son. Like, A, B, I get why that doesn't happen for the movie because, like, as a viewer, we would not accept that and like that and like that's fine. My question is when he finds out that that happened and that was a big no-no and his dad's like, yeah, you can't do that.

Then they go back again and like reset things. But like you can't get like that random sperm to like go back and like even going back wouldn't have fixed that problem. That doesn't make any sense either. Like the chaos element all of a sudden like you can't. That doesn't work that way. So, like, it does fall apart. Eventually, not that I care, but it does. While he's going back to see his dad, like, across lots of time, not like that day he's going to go back and see his dad, but, like, he's reliving years of his own life, keeping in mind that, like, there are very specific rules about sperm in this time travel plot, yet he doesn't age irregularly, even though he's reliving several years.

but also he has to like remember years worth of daily life that he has to completely it does seem like it would be a lot to keep track of for breakfast it does but I think that's part the reason why at one point his dad's just like I just use it to read a lot and it's just like you would have to almost do that it was just like I only go back in time to go in my little study and just read all the books and like I guess I would do that for like yeah because like I don't have time to read but like I guess that's the only thing the only way I'd ever be able to do that It's like, when do I read books as I go my end of my little nook and go back in time. I like this last excuse for us being like, I literally need to be a time traveler to be able to make me.

I don't know how anybody else reads books. Do you know these people who like tweet this thing about like, these are the 10 books I've read this month? And I'm like, motherfucker. I have no idea. I don't understand. They don't watch movies and they probably, they probably say have Twitter. No, it's not just that they don't watch movies is they don't watch TV. They can't watch TV as much.

It's just like they don't watch that much TV. and I still don't read. It's recording podcast, guys. That's what student is in. Ask a question about Kit Kat and her boyfriend. Please. I didn't realize that that boyfriend was like around until all of a sudden he shows up at the party. And he's like, I need to stop you from meeting this guy.

And I'm like, oh, what? He's been the thing that's causing this problem. Because he's like in the background of a bunch of scenes. But like they have this house where there's always people like around at the party. You're like, okay, you're just there. And I was really thrown by him supposed to be like a full crumb of her life. It's absolutely not a problem until it needs to be where the story is going at that moment. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, he listened to Mr. Brightside. That's where it all went wrong. He was coming out of his cage and not doing just fine. Yeah. My God, I'm going to kill you. All right, Bill Nye, AARP, supporting actor nominee. We have talked about this before because Steve Correll for the way way back was also nominated, which like, whatever.

John Goodman's nominated for Inside Lewin Davis. Katie, I want you to guess the winner and also who the fifth nominee is. So the winner in this is from an ensemble film that was an adaptation of a stage play with... August O'Sage County? Yeah, but who from August O'Sage County? Oh, boy. Supporting actor we're talking about it. They didn't make it Sam Shepard, did they? No, but it's like it's...

Cumberbatch? No. You have to be over 50 to be nominated. Chris Cooper. Chris Cooper. he's one of the better performances in the movie But you don't watch that movie I gotta nominate Chris Cooper

I'm struggling to remember what he does in that movie Exactly exactly So the fifth nominee In this one is Some wild shit It's some wild shit Definitely TV star Who was in a movie for probably the first time

In decades Was the dad to the main character Who was the actor-director who was the actor-director of the movie. Oh, my God. I got stuck on Brian Cranston, but I don't think it's Brian Cranston. No, TV star from long before

Brian Cranston. Okay, so old school TV star in a movie with someone who was the writer director of the movie. Righter director star. Righter director star of the movie. Did that movie get any Oscar Buzz at all?

Yes. It did at Sundance, for sure. Oh. Oh my God. And it got supporting actress buzz for an actress who was also getting a weird kind of buzz for a voice performance that same year. Oh, I was thinking of Grandma and Lily Tomlin, but it's not that.

Not Grandma. No, it was like... Oh, God. I'm really twisted up. Oh, like, we can't nominate somebody who's just a voice. Like, it wasn't even an animated movie. It was like... Oh.

Oh, oh, so that was her. Right. That was Scarlet Joe... Okay, hang on, hang on. Okay. So Scarlet Johansson is in the movie that this AARP person is nominated for. Yes. And she got a little bit of supporting actress buzz for this movie as well.

Is it Don John? It is. Who's the dad and Don John? I have no clue. 80s sitcom star where in the opening credits of the sitcom, he is vacuuming the curtains of a rich lady's house. Oh. Is it like Mr. Belvedere? No.

A rich lady who he would eventually fall in love with. Oh, is it Tony Danza? It's Tony Danza. Oh, my God. Our friend, Tony Danza. I hated Don John. I feel like Tony Danza was okay in it. Yeah, he was fine.

I think Scarlett Johansson was great in it. But you really twisted my brain in nuts, like getting Scarlett Johansson and her backwards to Don John. Anyway. I saw that at Sundance, though. Oh, also nominated in supporting actress was not Scarlet Johansson, but Julianne Moore from Don John. Yep.

I don't remember her being in that at all. She and Jessica Corn Levin. She teaches him humanity by sleeping with him. I mean, all blessings upon Julianne Moore, I think, as we all know, but like the early 2010s, like, she has, like, still Alice in the middle and then, like, a lot. Well, this was, like, the last movie, essentially before she did Still Alice. So it was really just like, oh, we should, like, be, like, happy that you got this lead role in something instead. Yeah, but then she goes on to make free help. I knew you were going to mention freehound.

I mean, I got a lot of grudges against freeheld. Katie, we need to do a free held episode. The lasting legacy of free held is... Do you want to spoil it before we do our free held episode in a year? No, no, no, no. I'm just going to say that the lasting legacy of free held is that the part, the Vanity Fair party for Freeheld at Tiff is where Katie introduced me to Brie Larson. And there's a photo of us on Getty.

And we got a Getty image that credits Brie Larson, uh, film, uh, film, film writer Joe Reed and guest. Which is the opposite of how it was. I was the guest. Trust me. Oh, boy. I'm so glad that moment was immortalized, though. All right. Do we want to, like, have any stray thoughts about about time before we shuffle on into the end. We should definitely talk about Rachel McAdams a little bit.

We should. I don't think we've done a Rachel McAdams movie. Have we? Please hold. She's had a lot of this had Oscar Buzz movies. She has. You know what's strange, though. And I guess I didn't even realize this until I was doing my research for this episode. She's made four movies since being Oscar nominated, and one of them is Dr. Strange.

Four movies. And one of them is Game Night, which is a classic. And another one of them is Eurovision. It sure is. And then she has a baby. I feel like she's like a relatively new mom. Like she got her Oscar nomination for spotlight and then was like, peace. well I also think like leading up to spotlight and maybe even leading up to this movie and maybe this movie was sort of like the beginning of where like the ship started to turn around but like there was a while there where it was just thankless movie after thankless movie and or like thankless role like she it seemed like there was like an entire three year span where like the time traveler's wife was happening and it just like never showed up and then all of a sudden it did like arrive but like not really.

and I don't know it was just like there was just like there would seem like there was a wilderness for her career for like a while she was she had like the bad luck to be like in Aloha and Southpaw like that's yes that's the thing is she was just like taking these all right now I'm going to go into and the second season of true detective which she's good in but again it's the second season of true detective

and that should have been a good idea like none of these are bad choices so all right so Have you guys not done a morning glory episode? I was going to say this is our third Rachel McAdams. Morning Glory and one other one, Chris, if you can think of it. Oh, okay. I mean, we could do a ton more because we could do Aloha. It was with one of the stars of Morning Glory.

Oh, duh. Family Stone. Diane Keaton. Diane Keaton and... Family Stone is from her glory. Like 2004-2015-5. You can't ask for a better run than that. So Rachel McAdams, starting with...

with like mean girls when like mean girls launched her essentially and then uh wedding crashers kind of like leveled her up to like she's the female lead of a big money making movie right same with notebook too yeah so she's in the neilberger movie the lucky ones which i was like i had oscar buzz for that movie if nobody else did because it was like it was his follow-up to the illusionist which was like a surprise oscar nominee and it's about you know soldiers uh around the Iraq war. That was when like those movies couldn't get arrested and this movie barely got released and whatever. It's her and Tim Robbins and Michael Pena and it's fine. But it again, barely got a release, as did the time traveler's wife. She's in state of play, the Kevin

McDonald remake of the British miniseries state of play. And she's good in it, but like nothing came of that, right? That's Russell Crow. That was a movie that was originally like a Thanksgiving movie that got pushed to April. It was like the next spring, yeah. Then one of the other sort of pits she falls into is the Sherlock Holmes movies, where good luck trying to get any oxygen in those movies with Robert Downey Jr. and Jude Law sort of like hamming it up like crazy in those. Is she not even in the second one?

She's in the credits for the second one. I don't know how much she's in it. She could be like the Elizabeth Hurley and Spidey Shaggmy of that movie. But who knows? Morning Glory, as we said. also another thankless role the female lead in Midnight in Paris which is a big Oscar success

but she's the worst she's not her fault but like her character is the worst part of that movie like yeah to the wonder which is another movie that takes forever to the walls thank you takes forever to show up and like when it does nobody cares

passion which is Brian DePaul's passion which is wild as fucked but like that movie is nuts I watched it for the first time this year Rachel McAdams is like, I don't know if she should try to be a camp performer, but she's trying. She tries. She goes for it. And then Nunei Rapaz maybe tries and does not.

Yeah. There was that triptych of movies that was like Brian De Palma's passion, Neil Jordan's Chloe, and Adore Robin Wright, Naomi Watts. Thank you. That movie. Those three movies happened within like two or three years of each other and we're all just like, let's take two female stars, either make them like overtly romantic and sexual with each other or like sort of like implied or whatever and see what happens. And like nothing, nothing became of it. She's in that movie The Vow, the romantic drama The Vow with Channing Tatum, which I only I only remember for. Channing Tatum's butt, but, you know. Yeah. I remember liking it. It's fine. I think that had, did that

have something to do with um, uh, Nicholas Sparks? Is that a Nicholas Sparks thing at all? No, it's not. I don't think so. I think it just has those vibes. I think it definitely had those vibes. Um, sorry, now I got to go back. About time in 2013. A Most

Wanted Man, the Anton Corbyn movie, A Most Wanted Man, which is a good movie, but again, nobody really saw it. Um, It came after Philip Seymour Hoffman died, so it's like, he's the whole story, but, like, Rachel McAdams is the worst part of that movie, unfortunately. As KB mentioned, Aloha and Southpah in the same year, that was also the same year that she got her Oscar nomination finally for Spotlight. So, like, truly what a 2015 it was for Rachel McAdams. And then I think then, like, it starts to rebound.

Like, Dr. Strange is a thoroughly thankless role in whatever, but she's in a movie that makes a ton of money. So good for her. And then, like, she's great in disobedience. She's great in game night in, like, a perfect role for her that, like, gets attention and she's wonderful in. I think she's really funny in Eurovision. Like, I definitely think things are looking up, which is the perfect time for Sherlock Holmes 3 to come out with her.

It's kind of good for her to have aged out of, like, ingenuey things, because, like, she's in mean girls when she's, like, 26. Yes. So she was old already to be in a high school movie, and it just put her in a weird spot. I think about that a lot of, like, imagine being. Rachel McAdams in Mean Girls with Lindsay Lohan, who is super young, making that movie. And Amanda Safrit, Amanda Saffre, it's like 15 in that movie. But not even just like Lindsay Lohan being young, but like Lindsay Lohan being young and like going through all the Lindsay Lohan stuff that she was going through at the time.

And just like, I can't imagine just like there's got to be something where Rachel McAdams is just like, what, what's happening here? Like it all turned out well for her. But just like, I just imagine like you would have to have a lot of. patience to put up with whatever circus was sort of revolving around Lindsay Lohan at that time. And Rachel McAdams always has that like Canadian head on her shoulders

thing. Yes. She dated Michael Sheen for a long time. She sure did. She's a good look for her. Like, she's always seemed like someone you could like level with if you ever, like, you had a conversation with her. I just imagine the idea of like Lindsay Lohan coming up to Rachel McAdams on a set of mean girls and like bitching

to her about Hillary Duff and like whatever. And it's just like Rachel McAns being like, I I don't care, hon. Like, whatever. Like, I don't, I can't. I can't be bothered. Yeah, but, like, there's that whole story about how she and Ryan Gosling didn't really like each other while they were filming the notebook and then they got together after

the fact. That is still kind of a relationship. You know how everybody's, like, Gaga for Brad Pitt and Jennifer Anniston getting back together? They're sort of my version of that. Yeah. My version of that was Reese Witherspoon and Ryan Philippe, and now, like, there's bad things about Ryan Philippe, so I guess I don't want that anymore.

Oh, yeah. Whatever. What else about time? I'm still thinking about other celebrity breakups than taking person. We haven't mentioned the Tom Hollander's character as the discontented playwright who shows up, which I adore Tom Hollander, of course. Again, stealth Anna Karenina reunion of Donald Gleason and Tom Hollander, who maybe don't share a scene in Anna Karenina, but they're both fantastic in that. No way. Not Tom Hollander.

Maybe Tom Hollander is. No, it's Tom Hollander. Is it? I mentioned him in the, no, I mentioned him in the recap and called up Tom Holland, which is something. I very much agree the difference between the two, but I can never quite remember which one is the er and which one isn't. Anyway, I know who Tom Hollander is. I may be confusing him with Matthew McFagin's character in Anna Carinina, but now I want to look up and make sure that Tom Hollander. They're both in it.

They're both in it. Okay, that was what I wanted to make. They're both in Pride and Prejudice. Both in Pride and Prejudice. Tom Hollander's been in most. He'll just show all of a sudden, like, you don't realize how many things you've seen him in and all of a sudden, It will just be a drunk in something. Anna Karenin is one of those movies that lists the cast on IMDB

in the order that they appeared on the screen, which should be... It is not showing up in his IMDB, so I guess maybe he... Hopefully he was filming something else. I think I was putting his character, him in the place of Matthew McFadgeon's character, who is also fantastic in that. We can credit him for being amazing in Hannah,

which is one of my favorite performances in anything. We could also mention that Tom Hollander's play, which is apparently supposed to be a masterpiece. even though it looks like a piece of dog shit legal thing on the stage. I think that's a funny joke though because like the line that gets everyone to clap is like the title of the play or something. This is a guilty man or whatever. British theater audiences which are notoriously unresponsive. They give a standing ovation before the end of the play.

But the stars of Tom Hollander's play are Richard Griffiths and Richard E. Grant. God bless it. So between them and Richard Curtis, like is there a. a British Richard who got left out because like that's I mean I like it's kind of same with Tom Holland and Tom Hollander I know the difference between Richard Griffiths and Richard

Grant but like if I see the name on a list I'll be like okay which one is that going to be like well Richard Harris was dead at this point so I guess he couldn't That's true and Richard Burton was dead at this point too Right right But yeah see when I realized that was a two of them Richard Lawson is British Yeah that's true yeah secretly British

No when I realized that was a two of them on stage I was like oh this is I don't know if it's supposed to be a good joke but I think it's a good joke. Up until this point, too, I'm pretty sure that Rowan Atkinson had been in all of Richard Curtis's movies. So it's kind of surprising that he wasn't one of the two of them in that scene, even though he would have, like, as he always does, sort of, like, stick out like a sore thumb. Yeah.

But, like, is Richard E. Grant, has he been in something else from Richard Curtis? Like, how did he wind up in that for? I mean, I feel like England's a small place, right? Like, I'm sure they all just sort of like, and Richard E. Grant's been around forever. and as has Richard Griffith. This was Richard Griffith's last... Because Richard E. Grant has to have done something that Curtis touched. I can look that up on IMD Bill.

You guys talk about how this was Richard Griffith's last film credit. Oh, wow. Man he did not realize that. I mean, he's good in this funny side plot. Because, like, Tom Hollander could do whatever he wants, but his character is, like, gruff and mean and a... way that doesn't develop at any point. Like, it's kind of a punchline.

You're like, why are you so hostile from the very beginning? Like, it's funny, but it's like sort of a side show. But I guess if you're going to do that, you may as well get Richard E. Grant and Richard Griffiths on stage together. Yeah, this is the only film credit that the two, Richard E. Grant and Richard Curtis have together. That's odd. Maybe he was just like at a show at the old Vic or whatever this was at the time.

That's the thing. It's just like, you got a dressing room. They had a set and they had these costumes. They were in some terrible law drama. on sage. It's like England's small and like they're all basically in London in that country. So like honestly, just like, yeah. This is why Cornwall has been fascinating me because it's like really the fuck out there.

Didn't know that. Yeah. The other thing about Richard Curtis's IMDB as I look at it is just like the only thing that's upcoming for him is he's got a screenplay credit on one of apparently the 8 billion Little Mermaid adaptations that are out there. And I don't know whether I don't know what one this is. is, but he's got a Little Mermaid screenplay adaptation

that is announced. So that's essentially been like someone mentioned it at some point. But like otherwise, nothing. And like... Did you guys see yesterday? Oh, right yesterday. No.

I never did. I hear some terrible things about it. I hear like, I don't know. I feel like there was a round of terrible things and like a bunch of people who've watched it on planes have been kinder to it. So like maybe that's the spirit in which like maybe when we're all in vulnerable pandemic place yesterday is finally ready for us.

That's another movie. It's so funny when, like, you think, like, he makes this movie about time, where it's like, there's time travel, but he doesn't really, like, care about the particulars of it. And it's just like, then he goes and writes another movie that is also about just, like, fucking with the fabric of time in a way that, like, doesn't seem like it would hold up. I don't know. Maybe it does.

That's Danny Boyle directed that, right? Danny Boyle, Richard Curtis, like, teaming up, you would think, like, I would be so into that and yet like I was just not interested I don't know I heard what like the big final twist of that movie is and it made me just like drop all expression from my face and body do I I kind of want to know what this is Katie do you care oh no I anybody listening who doesn't want to know the the end of yesterday just like fast forward like five minutes let me look it up on the Wikipedia because if it's what I remember

what I think it is, it's so stupid. Yeah, I think it is that he goes and finds John Lennon, who's still alive. Oh, God, no, John Lennon's still alive is the twist. But doesn't it end with like a Harry Potter punchline, basically? Oh, it does. Instead of him writing all of the songs for the Beatles, he's going to go and write Harry Potter, which honestly at this point we would like that. I was going to say that's the happy ending.

Oh, yeah, cut out J.K. Rowling from the history books. That's true. I don't know what I would do if I could change time. But if I could somehow just get a billion dollars, I would disavow all public speaking ever in my life. No one can have a public opinion about things. I agree. Yes. Not a bad idea.

All right. Um, wrapping up about time, I just want to say we've sort of picked this movie apart for good and bad. I just want to affirm that I love this movie and it makes me cry. That's all. It's just, I love it so much. We affirm your tears, dear. Yeah. I think we're all finding what makes us cry these days and all of us need to feel our emotions.

This movie, I don't even have the pandemic excuse because, like, it was happening long before. Oh my God, the part at the end, I'm just going to say, where Donald Gleason says my dad and his voice breaks, it's just too much for me, and I can't. Okay. Yeah, and when they try and travel back and go, like, play on the beach together when they're kids, like, who among us? It's, it's just, it's so much. It's so much. I love it so much. I love you, Richard Curtis.

Okay. Do we want to play the IMDB game? Yeah. Chris, would you like to read the rules of the IMDB game? Totally, since was it last week, I just overrode you and read them for you. Steam rolled on over. I was fine with it. That was fine.

Listen, every week, regardless who does our copy, we end our episodes with the IMDB game, where we challenge each other with an actor or actress to try to guess the top four titles that IMDB says they are most known for. If any of these titles are television or voiceover work, we'll mention that up front. After two wrong guesses, we get the remaining titles release years as a clue. That's not enough. We all go back in time and re-correct our answers so that we can get a perfect score. Excellent.

Or it just becomes a free-for-all of hints if we can't travel time because that's not part of our genetic DNA. Right. Again, we don't want to go back and have one of us be a different person. I'm not a man, so I can't time travel. Exactly. Right. Listen, gender is a social construct. this movie would have been a lot better if it realized that. Okay, Katie, would you like to give first, guess first, or watch the two of us duke it out first?

I'm going to give first because I have mine in mind and hopefully you guys haven't done it before. And would you like to give to me or to Chris? Oh, I don't care. Do you guys have a preference? Joe, do you have a preference for what you want to do? Why don't you give to Chris, Chris gives to me, and I will. will give to you. How about that? All right. All right, Chris, inspired by Vanessa Kirby, possible future best actress, nominee this year, not for about time. I'm giving you Claire

Foy. And one of them is television. And that is the crown. Yes. Then first man. I forgot to pull up her MDB before I started saying. I'm pretty sure you're right. I checked it before I picked her and then I closed the tab. Yes, first man. Okay. Um, unsane. Yes. Wow. Good pull. Is that Soderberg?

It's Soderberg shooting on iPhones that, uh, have been like, dropped out in the rain. Yeah. Yeah. Someone smashed the camera and the frame. Uh, okay. So I have three out of four for Claire Foy. Yeah. No wrong guesses.

I maybe don't remember another thing. You've maybe now run out of Claire Foy movies. Uh, I mean, they're all going to be semi-recent. Yeah The hell was she in She's definitely in a costume Wasn't she a lesbian in a movie I

I like that as a way to try to figure something out though Okay Claire Foy I have to at least like throw some things out there, but I legitimately stumped on anything else that she's been in. It's hard. There's not a lot of choices. Before the crown.

I feel like there was something. There was. Actually, more than I realize. But not that much. Interesting. She's done a lot of British television, which is not the answer. Yeah. I'm going to see, I think there is something that's at the very like back recesses of my brain.

that I know exists that is American from an American filmmaker. She was in an enterprise that I think you would be surprised that you have totally forgotten that they tried to make a go of. And it's in fact not an American filmmaker, but an American studio project. Okay, yeah, but it's a franchise. It's from like a TV show or a book. A franchise. Is it originated with a book? Book.

It's not like the Lincoln lawyer. No. Oh, no, no, no. I know what it is. It's a girl caught in the spider's web. Very close. The girl in the spider's web. That is really impressive.

I definitely forgot that movie. Because she still has her first man hair in that movie. And it's supposed to be edgy. And it's like, no, it's still pretty not. What a thankless role. Did you know? that Claire Foy and Matt Smith, her co-star from the Crown, are in a movie that screened in London in June

called Lungs from the Director of Pride that is a... How do I know about this? Apocalyptic seemingly... Dramidy? The logline for this movie is, the ice caps are melting, there's overpopulation, political unrest, everything's going to hell in a handcart,

why on earth would someone bring a baby into this world? love. Why on earth would somebody be watching this movie right now? But it's Matthew Orkus, the director of pride, so I'm willing to give it a shot. Oh, no, isn't that, wasn't this, maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't that like National Theater Live or filmed theater?

Oh, it very well could be. That makes sense. Because I know that Claire Foy did, like, a two-person show. It was a live, it was an old Vic thing. There we go. They broadcast in June. There we go. All right. good job chris nice all right give me what you got uh okay so joseph yes for you i have the one the only co-star of donald gleason mr oscar isaac oscar isaac have we never done oscar isaac before okay

I don't believe we have. All right. Well, he's in a lot of different stuff. Okay. Well, the film that he co-starred with Donald Gleason is Ex Machina, so I'm going to start with that. Ex Machina, correct. Cannot believe that is the, well, I don't like to spoil that. The dance moves.

The dance moves. Yes. Well, that movie. Okay. Inside Lewin Davis. Inside Lewin Davis. Okay. It's not that terrible

movie that I saw at Tiff a couple years ago where he You know the big ensemble movie From the guy who does This Is Us Have you guys not done an episode on that one? No, what is it called life? Life itself, life itself? Life itself. Listen, once again, we have not done an episode on that.

If listeners won it, they can vote for it. And that's on there? Is that one of them? No. Okay. So that's one wrong guess. All right. You have two right guesses so far.

Okay. It's not going to be W.E. It's not going to be drive. And nothing is... Unfortunately, we can't talk about on this podcast. A movie where Abby Cornish follows like Oscar Isaac or someone else and is like, why won't you have sex with me? Is that movie nominated for something?

Costumes. Yeah. Wow. Though not the song, the Madonna song. Masterpiece. Was it that Elton John beat her at the Globes and was like gloating about it because he thought the song was so bad? No, Madonna won the globe.

And he was so angry about it. Right. That's how I know that Andrea Rysboro is pronounced Andrea. Or is that just how Madonna pronounces her name? Like that's, I... Which means that's how it's pronounced. If Madonna says... That's how Madonna says.

Okay. All right. Oscar Isaac. So not television, so not that show me a hero that I loved. I should watch that. Yeah. Okay. All right.

Oscar Isaac. Oscar Isaac. Most violent year. Yes. Okay. Wow. One more? A movie we could do.

And he's great in that. One more, yes. One more. Okay. All right. Oscar Isaac What has he been in real recently? I guess he does some of paper on something.

Oh, is it annihilation? It is not annihilation. Dang. What movie did you guess, Joe? Annihilation. What was that? Annihilation. Annihilation.

Jennifer Jason Lee. Annihilation. Annihilation. Your year is 2015. Okay. Big Rachel McAdams year, as mentioned. Most famous for being a big year for Rachel McAdams, yes. Wait, he's not in Southpaw, is he?

He's not in Southpaw, but it is a movie that we've mentioned on this very episode. It is indeed. Oh, God. Okay. You are going to be pissed off. Is it one of the Rachel McAdams movies that we talked about? No. But it is a movie also featuring someone who is in About Time.

Okay. 2015. The Revenant? No, he's not in The Revenant. No, but you're barking up the right tree. Oh, God. Oh, God. What kind of tree would I be barking up that the Revenant is barking up?

You might be barking up a tree from a long time ago. And not of this earth. Perhaps far, far away. Oh, God. 2015. Joe. Joe, far, far away. A long time ago.

Oh, my God. Fucking Star Wars. Jesus Christ. Which Star Wars? Absolutely. Force Awakens. The good one. Oh, the Last Jedi is a good one.

No, Force Awakens is better than Last Jedi. That's my controversial opinion. everybody else can eat it. I'm with you, Joe. Podcasts canceled. I totally, absolutely all the time, forget that he's in those movies. That's such a bummer because he's... It is such a bummer.

He's great in those movies. But, like, I absolutely... I remember Adam Driver and Donald Gleason, essentially, and, like, and the whole thing where, like, boys on the internet hate Daisy Ridley for stupid reasons. Like, that's basically what I remember about those movies. BB8. We were all in love with BB8 in 2015. Didn't we love BBA?

Fish nuns! I just loved that that movie was a reunion for us. Oscar Isaac and Donald Gleason and Oscar Isaac and Adam Driver. Yeah. He's just bringing him all back. It's true. It's very true. Okay.

Outer space. Joe, what are you at for Katie? You're giving me so many sound drops. I'm going to have to throw in here now. Okay, that's fine. I love it. The sound drive champion. Okay, so I went into the Richard Curtis filmography.

Of course, we are about to enter the Christmas season. If we're not already in it, I am literally. seconds away from putting up my Christmas decorations just because, like, I need something right now. And Thanksgiving is not going to cut it. November 1st is wrapped in red season. November 1st is these are special time season. I literally-

Did we also see that video of like a haunted house door opening to reveal Mariah Carey in a closet full of snow? Being like, it's time. I, my mom and I were trying to make the case to my dad that we should just put up the Christmas decorations. And he's sort of like, unsure, unsold on it. And eventually the both of us were just like, no one's going to see him but us. Like, who cares at this point?

Just like, give yourself a gift. No one's entering this house for the next several months. So why don't we just like enjoy ourselves? Anyway, Christmas classic, Love Actually, of the many stars of Love Actually. One whose character displeases me, but in a storyline that I really enjoy. Unfaithful husband of Emma Thompson, Alan Rickman. So, Katie, give me the known for for Alan Rickman. No television, no voiceover.

Okay. The trick is how many Harry Potter's? I am assuming it's not all Harry Potter. It's not. I wouldn't have done it if it was all Harry Potter's, yeah. Deathly Hallows Part 2. Correct. Okay.

Well, that's his big death scene. It's the only Harry Potter one. That's the clue I will give you. It's the only Harry Potter. Deathly Hallows Part. two, I'm very impressed that of eight movies, you picked the right one, very good. I mean, that's the one where he has, like, the big, like, moment where he reveals that he's been the good guy all along.

He's probably highest build in that movie of all of the Harry Potter. God, can you imagine what I mess the billing of the Harry Potter movies is? Yeah, right. Sense and sensibility. No, incorrect, strike one. Yikes. Love actually? No, strike two.

All right. So now you're going to get years. Your years are 1988, 1991, and 2007. 88 is die hard. 88 is die hard, very good. Alan Rickman, the king of Christmas.

Yes, exactly. Really? Wow. 1991. Oh, Katie, you're breaking my heart. 1991 is a film that Chris and I both love. Where he's the villain and the he won a BAFTA for it. Did he really win a BAFTA good he deserved it?

Yeah, girl, he won a BAFTA for it. That's a great call. I think it's a great call. This is a property that has been done and a lot. It's been sort of done and redone and redone again. It's not what you do but nothing. No, less literary. This is the definitive version of this movie.

It's had a million versions, even in the past, like, five years. But it is literary, or is not? I'm sure there's some literary version of this, but, like, it's more legend. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, it's Robin Hood. Yeah, it's Robin Hood. It's Robin Hood, Prince of Thee. Alan Rickman, King of Christmas, one of his lines in that movie is, and cancel Christmas. That's right.

Wow. I do not know you guys were hardcore Prince of These fans. I love this movie. Hell yeah. I love this movie. We, in my band, in my band, in high school, I was being very clear. I was about to be very interested in the rest of that sentence. Oh, my God, I would love it.

I would play the French horn, which is not in any cool bands. But we would play the Robin Hood Prince of Thieves theme song, which was super hard, but very fun to play. The score for that movie, I can never remember who does the score for that movie. It's maybe Michael Kamen. James Horner? Um, it's so good. And there's just like an entire like opening credit set to it. And do yourselves a favor, everybody listening. If like go watch Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves or failing that just listen to the score. It's so good. Okay. That's that's a strong movie from my childhood. Okay, 2007. This is almost certainly a movie I had seen. This is like in the peak of Potter era. Yes. Um, I mean, you another hand, probably. It was a Oscar nominee for best actor. and a Golden Globe

winner for I believe best actor and Best Picture Musical or Comedy I'm pretty sure. I'll double check you on that. This was of course, it's 2007. Hairspring wasn't the Golden Globe winner that year? No, unfortunately. This was of course the lost...

You're not far off, Katie. It's the lost Golden Globes where it wasn't there wasn't a ceremony because of the writer's strike. So it's tougher to remember... The no country year, the Juneau year. No, Joe, you're right. It did win, right. It did win, right? actor and picture.

From a director who I love, but who at this point in his career had started making really kind of samey big blockbusters, but this one. This is his last good movie. This is kind of his last good movie. Boy, Sammy Big Blas is the best actor nominee. And when I say it won the Golden Globe for Best Picture. No, I didn't say comedy. It's more of a musical. Yeah, yeah, okay.

And you guessed hairspray. Yeah. Not hairspray. I saw a lot of movies that came out in 2007, and none of this is getting me to where I'm supposed to be. Is it an adaptation of a Broadway show? It is. By a very well-respected Broadway composer.

Who does not get adapted for the big screen. This, I think, was the second. Oh, it's not Sondheim? Yes, it is. Maybe. Oh, Sweenie Todd. Sweeney Todd. Judge Turpin and Sweeney Todd.

Yeah, he's good in Sweeney Todd. He does Johanna and well, I'd say. I feel like all of the Harry Potter actors, whose IMDBs used to be exclusively just for Harry Potter movies, it's all settled down. It's receding now, which is really interesting. Because, like, I looked up, I wanted to do Martin Freeman,

but Martin Freeman's known for is still three Hobbit movies and whatever the Marvel movie he's in. Black Panther, I think, maybe or something. But anyway, so it's just like, I don't understand it. Like, obviously, like, the Harry Potter movies still have a resonance that the Hobbit movies do not. And yet, poor Martin Freeman can't buy a break and all of his, I mean, I'm sure it's better for his career that, like, he's remembered for three movies that made a ton of money. But, like, yeah, I'm sure he can buy a break. Yeah, but I want him to be remembered for his character work, God damn it.

He's stealthfully good in Black Panther, too, which, like, you're supposed to say because he's, like, one of two white guys. And he doesn't really matter that much in Black Panther. he's pretty good in it. I'm surprised, actually, that he wasn't an end game at all. Because, like, literally everybody's an end game. And, like, it would have been pretty easy to just, like, you need a functionary for something. Just, like, haul out Martin Freeman for something. That'd be an interesting listicle that I would read is, like, the characters who got left out of end game, obviously, this should have been written a year and a half ago. But, you know. I'm sure it exists. Like, like, anybody that they leave out, they just say that they died in Infinity War. Sure, but I just mean like... But then they all come back. But like, what are the reasons why... Oh, people are at the funeral.

Yeah. Like, why doesn't... Why isn't Lupita Nyango's character there at the end? We know why. Yeah, because there's multiple people at the funeral where you're like, who? Oh, of course. Who would have absolutely no reason? Michelle Pfeiffer's character doesn't give a fuck about Tony Stark.

Like, come on. Don't you imagine Martin Freeman was like, okay, I'll be an end game. You can bump up my salary to whatever... Chris Pratt's making, and they were like, absolutely not good I. But then, if he was, then he could have been one of the people who had a politician's had superimposed on his for that Avengers Endgame video that was released on Election Week that broke my brain. It's so upsetting. I didn't think it was going to be so funny. By the time Sean Connery shows up next to Ruth Bader Ginsburg, my brain flew out my ears.

It was so funny. I was giant. By the time this airs, this might be old news, but, like, that Saturday did feel like the day where, like, all comedy rules were gone and everything was funny. Everything was on board. Everything was optional. Nothing could go wrong. Also, Alex Trebek died the next day, and I'm like, he would have been a perfect fit for that video. Like, in Alex Trebek?

We know your next quarantine project. I'm surprised we didn't kill Alex Trebek in an episode, like we killed Sean Conner. I know. we're so, we've got to be so careful, but all the people we talk about who end up. We can't talk about people anymore. Well, that's all we do. All the people we've discussed here, they're all in danger. I really hope Bill Nye is doing well

because. I know. I guess Alan Rickman's impervious to our machinations. Alan Rickman died the morning of Oscar nominations. That's also a listical because like also Heath Ledger also died the morning of Oscar nominations. It's a pretty short

and Philip Seymour Hoffman died on Super Bowl Sunday. So like there's clearly like, I don't know. I don't know if I'd call it a trend, but I don't like it one bit. Okay. Katie Rich, we cannot thank you enough for coming back our Thanksgiving tradition. Yeah. We plan on keeping it for all the years that we're still doing this podcast.

Thank you so much. I like making an annual thing, so I'm not just constantly being like, hey, guys, when am I coming on? No, you've got a standing date now. I'm still waiting for you to start the Patreon so I can do the exceptions episode on Australia. Oh, your life. Locked and loaded for that one, for sure, for sure. Yeah. God, I love that. Did you see that, like, Boslerma was talking about, like, re-editing it as a Hulu series?

Yeah, doing the Snyder cut of Australia. Bring it. Bring it on. I'd rather that than the Snyder cut that we're getting, like, for sure. All right. Oh, boy. Yeah. Chris, one more time about our listeners' choice submissions.

Guys, once again, you have a week to submit your picks for our listeners' choice episode. the top four vote achievers, getters, if we did decide that that is a word, top four movies based on the tally will be the Twitter poll that you can vote on, that you will see in early December. We will definitely let you know about it. But tweet at us at hat underscore Oscar underscore buzz or email us at had oscarbuzz at gmail.com. Thank you, Chris. And that is our episode.

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