This Had Oscar Buzz - 124 – Suffragette

Episode Date: December 14, 2020

In 2015, the ongoing efforts to champion stories told by and about women placed large awards expectations on Sarah Gavron’s Suffragette. A fictionalized telling of the women’s suffrage movement in Britain, Suffragette stars Carey Mulligan as Maud, a laundress who begins as a passive outsider and becomes a passioned activist. But once it debuted at the Telluride Film … Continue reading "124 – Suffragette"

Uh-oh, wrong house. No, the right house. I didn't get that! We want to talk to Marilyn Heck. Women should not exercise judgment in political affairs. If we allow women to vote, it will mean the loss of social structure. Vote for women! Vote for women!

Vote for women! I was out? You keep giving it. You work at the laundry? Part time from when I was seven, full time from when I was 12. Mondays and Thursdays if you're interested. You are suffragette, Mrs. Ehrlich. I consider myself more of a soldier.

As Mrs. Panker says, it's deeds, not words, that will get us the vote. Hello and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast featured in the WB's Oh, What a Night promo. Every week on This Had Oscar Buzz, we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had Lofty Academy Award aspirations, but for some reason or another, it all went wrong. The Oscar hopes died, and we are here to perform the autopsy. I am your host, Chris Fyle, and I'm here, as always, with my factory foreman, Joe Reed. Hello.

Hi. Hi. Wait, why do I got to be the factory foreman? He's the bad, he's the worst. I don't know. Maybe we're going to fight this episode. I don't know. We're going to have an argument?

I don't want to get my hand burned with a very heavy-looking iron. Like, that looked... Probably earned it. Listen, I'm good and nice. I guess. you are, I don't know, my political leader giving a speech from a balcony. Yes, I am your political leader who's kept shrouded in secrecy because the reveal is... Or you are my decoy, and I am the, you know, the leader of the movement, and you are dressed like me being taken out the front.

Oh, yes, that would be my role in the movement, yes. I would be the decoy who gets like tackled. We are both Merrill decoys. Yeah, I think that's our lot in life is to be Merrill decoys. I think our lot of life is to get tackled in the name of Merrill Streep. That probably sounds right. That actually sounds fantastic, honestly. Tackle me, queen.

Tackle me, Don Gummer. So here we are. We are talking about suffragette today. We are. men who are not women talking about the subject of women's suffrage. However, I think we're fine. I think we're fine. But also, just to put that out there, also, we're going to get into, like, the way I think

this movie was treated critically unfairly. Well, yes, we'll definitely get into that. It was, it's an interesting, this is an interesting kind of movie for me to talk about. It's sometimes, I feel like sometimes these are the hardest movies to talk about where it's not a bad movie. Yeah, I think there's nothing about this that's embarrassing. It's not a great movie. It's a movie that I think its failings are in its kind of middle of the roadishness. Like it's nothing we haven't seen before in a film.

It's not really filmed incredibly interestingly. it's not really you know there's nothing in it that like is going to knock your socks off or wow you but there's nothing in it that's objectionable or embarrassing or like that kind of thing so it's tough for me sometimes to articulate what it is about a movie like that that is just like eh you know what i mean like there are things about this that are really good i think there are certain parts of kerry Mulligan's performance that are quite good. And I think there are certain scenes that are really affecting and moving. But I think the general, like, taken as a whole, it's just maybe a little flat or something

like that. And this was a movie that had, like, so much pressure put upon it at the time. Did it, though? Because it did. I remember it having that because it was like, this is a movie about, you know, the history of the oppression of women. It's also directed by a woman. Like, it feels like that conversation of honoring female directors has become more prevalent.

But, like, there was still at this time, there were people looking towards what were the female directed movies that we could, like, nominate or recognize. And it got to the point where it was, like, this movie maybe set, that whole conversation set up this movie to, like, not succeed on the way that people wanted to. it too, and I think that's unfair to the movie. My recollection is that this movie had a good deal of, like, very advance buzz. I think this was one of those,

like, oh, it's Carrie Mulligan and Hall and Abottom Carter and Meryl Streep in a movie about women's suffrage, so it has historical import and yada, yada, yada, and it looked really good on paper. And then, like, by the time it got released, it had just, like, gone radio silence. And

and maybe that was a function of those expectations that you're talking about not being met at a festival level and thus by the time it made it to any kind of people that the buzz had really gone away but I just remember this movie being

largely ignored and the time of release sure because it had had the middling reviews most of them written by men out of telluride and it weirdly didn't play Toronto

which to me is a little bit of a mistake. Yeah, especially because Toronto was really good that year in terms of how it helped boost Oscar cases I know. Remember when Brie Larson won Best Actress and actually thanked the Toronto Film Festival from the stage because that was such a good launching pad for that. And I know Spotlight didn't premiere at Toronto, but I remember Spotlight picked up a lot of momentum there.

and yeah i think was one of the runner-up i know i'm pretty sure room was as well one of the people's choice runner-up what was the people's choice winner that year in 2015 it might have been room actually now that now that you mention it i'm gonna look that up while we keep talking about this because because the fact that room ended up getting a best picture and best director nomination I remember feeling like that reflected well on the people's choice. What's the opposite of a curse? Blessing, something like that. But, yeah, I think this is a movie where I think because the buzz had really died down by the time it got released.

And then the nature of it as a sort of middling film made it hard to advocate for it and ride for it during that award season. And it was tough to be like everybody's sleeping on suffragette because you couldn't really latch on to anything great about suffragette. So it was tough to be like, listen, you're all sleeping on this movie. It's not bad. You know what I mean? It maybe doesn't even, like I think Carrie Mulligan's probably the best thing about it and will definitely get into Carrie Mulligan. But I don't know. Maybe my biggest problem is it doesn't serve her all that well, even though she's clearly working her ass off for it.

It's, I think she gives the best performance in the movie, but I think there are at least three other characters who seem like they would make for more interesting central characters, if that makes sense? Sure, sure. Like what, what Mulligan's story to her story is like very similar to, it's a fictional one. You do have real figures in this movie into the narrative and like Helena Bottom Carter is a composite character of real people. And I think those are the ones. Right. That does seem somewhat inconsequential to the narrative. Well, and it's one of those, it feels like it's the weighted average of all of the stories.

Do you know, all of the stories of people at the time where it's just like, this is what women were going through. They had problems at the workplace. Their husbands would throw them out. They could lose their children, all of the things like that, where I think if you, if this was a movie about Merrill Streep's character or Natalie presses character, the woman who steps in front of King George's horse and dies and sort of becomes the symbol of everything by the end. And then you mentioned Helena Bonom's character, Helena Bonham Carter's character is a composite, but even in that compositeness, she seems a little more specific to the movement. And I mean, it's legitimate enough to want to follow

somebody sort of who, you know, represents the masses, because this was a movement of masses. This was, you know, this movement succeeded because of, you know, the numbers of all of these women who came out in England to push for suffrage. Yet, it's tough, it's tough not to look at other sort of corners of this movie and be like, well, maybe that would have been more dynamic or something like that. Maybe something that toiled more in the politics of it. Like if it was, I'm forgetting now Streep's character's name, who was Pankhurst, Mrs. Pankhurst, who maybe that movie is more of like a Lincoln thing where she's, you know, doing, you know, strategum and politics and that kind of thing. Or the Emily Davison character, the Natalie Press character, is more of a, you know, personal story of sacrifice or, you know, something along those lines. None of these, like, these are all, you know, well-worn tropes as well. Well, that's the thing.

Like, all of the narrative choices that this movie and the script makes make absolute sense. But I think the reasons they make sense in some of these tropes and, like, uh, Maude Carrie Mulligan's character begins the movie as an outsider and then gets, uh, wrapped up in the movement herself. Like, all of that makes sense. It just, I don't know if it does it in. a fully like exciting way or a way that makes it feel new like it's applying these tropes to a different kind of narrative we haven't seen right um but like it's again it's still not bad it's just no it's not not great it's missing something to be exciting yeah and i think some Toronto uh I looked it up room did win the people's choice the runners up were angry

Indian goddesses and Spotlight. Yeah. The documentary about the fully iconic Jennifer Hudson song. Not the Best Picture winner. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Spotlight. I thought I was back on Angry Indian Goddesses. I was just like, wait a second. What Jennifer Hudson song is that?

Oh, right. Right. That is also a Jennifer Hudson song. Multiple documentaries about single Jennifer Hudson songs. Yeah, exactly. It was weird that the movie. that one time she sang Weekend in New England also did very well at Toronto that year. So, yes. Yeah, Suffragette.

Can I tell you the most telling thing about the way that Suffragette has sort of faded into almost total obscurity in merely five years? It's a focus feature movie, and you forgot that it was focus features? Well, sort of, Wikipedia lists this movie as being distributed by 20th Century Fox,

and it is absolutely a universal focus movie. So, like, I think it's that kind of just, like, casual, just like, who cares? I mean, maybe they have some international distribution, but I'm pretty sure. But that's not usually how Wikipedia lists these things, right? I don't think they have the UK rights to it. Hold on. I'm on IMDB right now.

Our beloved focus features did not have a great 2015. Their Oscar plays were this and the Danish Girl. Ooh. Well, Danish Girl at least got, like, one. an Oscar, which is... Yeah, it won an Oscar, but, like, I mean... I know, quality-wise. ...won an Oscar for 19 performances.

Okay, yeah, 20th Century Fox was the theatrical distributor in the UK. But usually, I mean, whatever, I guess I'm making the argument for Wikipedia to be more American-focused. Well, Focus did a lot of movies with working title in the UK. Yeah. That's an odd. collaboration. Anyway, yes. It's the way I viewed it

on Netflix where it is streaming right now, it was universal focus, and then there was like a bunch of, it was like Film 4 was involved, and do we pronounce it Pathet? The French it's got a little accent over the E, right? A little, where

their studio logo intro is the little not windmill. What do you call those things? The Pfei logo is the little, like, word bubble. It's the little word bubble with the, uh, the, whatever. Anyway. I don't know what those things are called.

And I don't know how things in French are pronounced. So we're, uh, was I the only one during this whole movie who kept singing Sister Suffragette from Mary Poppins? No. You were there with me, I hope. I was not with you. Well, damn it. I was.

I was singing a landslide which is the trailer I made sure that you had seen the trailer before we discussed because again we talk about the way films are marketed

and I don't know if there was a universe in which the right trailer would have made suffragette this like blockbuster yet this trailer which is like very traditional historical import trailer for the first half and then it cuts to

all due respect to whatever probably Irish woman sang this cover of landslide but like this very extra plaintive and like landslide's not this you know this husky song as it is

but like this extra sort of like lilting and plaintive version of landslide as you get these visuals of like women being hauled off to jail by the cops and, you know, fighting strenuously against their husbands and whatnot. And it's just like, what, who approved this? Do you remember in, what's the movie?

Is it the square where they did that, like, awful ad campaign for the art exhibit? And you're watching them sort of, like, present it to a room. And it's just, like, it's so cringy because it's just like, I mean, that does sound like the square. I think it was the square. That trailer plays like it is trying to be this, like, sentimental grab for, like, maybe it's not, you know, prestige Oscar, but it does, like, have an audience that, like, not necessarily wide audience, but you get what I'm saying, that it's like, it's more like, this is just a people's movie, you know, which makes the whole not playing Toronto thing so bizarre. to me as a strategy because like that's a festival you you aside from award stuff like you take it

so that it can be seen by real people you know and yeah that would probably be the audience that would get motivated behind this movie and get excited for it and then certainly more than tell your ride. It was whiffed yeah tell your ride is like film critics and billionaires

right I was going to say maybe I guess the idea with telluride is that you're going to get like sort of Hillary Clinton style rich white feminist to get behind it, maybe? I don't know. Maybe. Hillary was definitely on the campaign trail at this point, so maybe that's what they were thinking.

God, 2015. Remember when we thought 2015 was just like, oh, God, this year's terrible. I can't get any worse than this. A sentiment, I'm sure, we'll revisit often because 2015 is not hurting for this at Oscar Buzz titles. That's like, sometimes I look at our massive spreadsheet, and there's just years where I'm like, we'll never get to all of the. and 2015 is one of them. And that's because, and I think we see that in these years

where there's a lot of sort of Oscar buzz titles that don't do it. And then the actual Oscars that year, it's a really kind of largely exciting lineup where it's like Mad Max Fury Road. And even the fact that like Room gets a Best Picture nomination felt kind of wild and sort of like against the plan of it all And the fact that Spotlight ended up being so good

and, like, Tom McCarthy all of a sudden is a best director nominee and is winning Best Picture. And I don't know. I thought there was some really sort of, like, cool stuff out there with a lot of, like, there's some, you know, we mentioned the Danish girl. We've talked about Trumbo before being an Oscar nominee. Like, not everything that year that's nominated. It's great.

But I think Fury Road sort of made it a really atypical Oscar. year. And we should also say that like on top of being a really fascinating Oscar year, like, if there was anything I personally was super excited about this movie when it was coming out was like, I love Carrie Mulligan. And I loved her at the time. And it was like, this is going to be her big lead play in a movie that like doesn't feel super small. But this Oscar year is an incredibly crowded and tight best actress field. Yes. Yeah. And we will. for sure to get into that because I think that's the sort of Oscar conversation that is most interesting in relation to this film. But we should probably do the plot description now rather than wait to anyone. You, sir, are tasked with it this week. I am.

We are here to talk about Suffra Jet, directed by Sarah Gavron, written by Abby Morgan. Cast includes Carrie Mulligan, Helena Bonham Carter, Anne-Marie, Duff, Romola Gary, Ben Wishaw, Brendan Gleason. then Natalie Press, Samuel West, and one Miss Merrill Streep. The movie premiered at Telluride and then opened Limited October 23rd of 2015. Am I the only person, before we get into this,

am I the only person who, like, instinctively sneers at Samuel West now after Chesel Beach? Because he plays such a, like, rotten Son of a Gun in the Chesel Beach. Son of a Gun even sounds too folksy for that. Like, he's a monster. Well, I never saw Rockets a Titi Tata on Chesel Beach. Oh, you didn't? Oh, I thought you did. I still haven't seen it.

That was a Toronto movie. I mean, we'll eventually do that movie. Yeah. But, no, we did say, I forget what it was off the top of my head. We did another movie with Samuel West. And I think I looked at the filmography because I was worried he would be a secret, like, third-timer. He was in Hyde Park on Hudson, playing. King George

who is Olivia Coleman Yes Who is not the King George That's referenced in this movie He's the son of that King George British monarchy is a challenge I try to study it whenever I think I'm going to try out for jeopardy

And it always Fades from my memory after I Cram about it But yes Also Since I mentioned it Thinking that Samuel West could be like a third Timers Club. Already in a short time span, Claire Daines has Meryl Streep catching up to her for a

seven timers club. This is the seventh Meryl movie we've done. Meryl only needed one scene to catch up to Claire Daines. That's how good she is. This is almost like, if Meryl wasn't on the poster, we'll get into the whole Meryl. We will. If Meryl wasn't on the poster, it would almost be like an arguing point, like how we still argue about how many movies we've done with Matt Damon in them? Oh, I don't know. I think this is a much more substantial thing than Matt Damon in The Majestic or something like that. It's a cameo, but it's like, it's a featured cameo. It's a cameo, but they leaned into Merrill being in this movie. They sure did. They sure. They made it seem like it was a big deal to the point where the first initial reviews out of Telluride were like, by the way,

Merrill's just a cameo, it's just a cameo. It's just a cameo. It's just a cameo. Yeah. Because people were predicting Merrill and such. They were. I mean, with good reason. She had just come off of a nomination for Into the Woods, where she is not good. Right. I hate saying that about Meryl, but she's not good in that. She's not good in a couple of her nominations, which I think we've talked about. We have. We don't have to belabor that point. Yes. What we do have to do is a 60-second plot description for Sutherjet. Joseph, are you ready? Sure. Let's do this.

Can you handle the seasons of your live? Can. you handle the changing ocean tides. All right. I will see your reflection in the snow-covered hills on the other side of this plot description. All right, Joseph. If you are ready, your 60-second plot description for Suffragette starts now. It's 1912 in London, and the women suffrage movement is in full swing, with civil disobedience giving way to throwing rocks through storefront windows

and women getting arrested and thrown in jail. Carrie Mulligan is Maude Watts, a wife and mother who works in a laundry, and is sexually menaced by her boss. And she ends up getting caught up in the women's movement, sort of by accident and kind of in spite of herself. But she ends up getting incrementally radicalized, the more she sees the righteousness of their cause and the way that the other women are treated. And she's thrown in jail multiple times and interrogated by Brendan Gleeson, who is an inspector who is treating the suffragettes as a kind of terrorist group. Maud's husband throws her out of their house and eventually gives their child up for adoption. He is a monster.

Meryl Streep shows up at the end as real-life Emily and Pankhurst and gives a speech about stepping it up, and the movement progresses towards bombing mailboxes and MPs houses, and Helen, bottom Carter has a weak heart, but is still fighting, and ultimately a woman named Emily Davison steps in front of King George's horse on a racetrack and dies and thousands attend her funeral possession and the newspapers cover it. And over the course of the next 15 years, women eventually get full voting rights in England. Yes, I said 15 more years. But yes, it happened. Time. That post script was sobering. This is one of the movies that I think actually does a good post script. Yes, it's pointed. It's very

pointed. They say how how much longer it would take from the time that was depicted and like the steps that it had to do. It's interesting that they don't, unless correct me if I'm wrong, they don't mention race because we should mention whenever you're talking about the women's suffrage movement

and they depict white women, it was an incredibly racist movement and they would always obstruct any women who were not white from the movement. I cut it for time but I almost ended that description, that plot description with and today we call them white women voters because

that is, yes. But I also, was I the only one during that when they started... I think the movie is better intentioned than other depictions. Yes, I think it is. But at the same time, it still bears repeating. It does. But was I the only one watching the postcript when they listed all the countries and when they granted women the right to vote? And I literally out loud said, really Switzerland? Because it was

1971. That women were able to vote in Switzerland, which, like, what the fuck? I didn't think Switzerland was that fucking backwards. Yeah, a lot. It's a really sobering post script of you get this slow. And it takes its time, too.

It does. It's where you think people are going to be leaving the theater, and it's sobering enough that, like, it would lock you in your seat to watch this very slow scroll of all of the countries and when women got the right to vote. And, like, of course, it's not breaking it down.

into, like, we see a little bit at the beginning of it with the Britain vote. Like, it's certain women over 30, you know, until it was a wide vote. So it's like some of these countries, it makes you wonder, like, what were the stipulations of women who were allowed to vote? I wanted that postscript to be accompanied by a shot of Merrill sort of looking over the tops of her glasses, sort of pointedly at the audience, being like, hmm, like, judgmentally or something. I don't know. Yes, but that is the gist and the plot of suffragette. I don't think I left out too many subplots or anything like that.

Anne-Marie Duff's character, there are certain characters who seem like they're going to be very important to the story and then kind of disappear. Anne-Marie Duff is one of them. Ram Ali-Garie is one of them who plays her husband is an MP and she sort of is caught in the middle of

wanting to use her station to prevent this, but ultimately she's, what is she, does she step away or does she cut out or does her husband sort of cow her into staying on the sidelines? Because we don't see her again until Carrie Mulligan brings her, brings her the woman from the laundry who's being sexually abused and basically sends her to shelter at Romola Gary's house. But I'm not sure why she disappeared. We do hear that Anne-Marie Duff's character had like disagreements with Helena Bonham Carter of her strategy, and that's why she stopped being a part of that angle of the story,

but then she also shows up near the end. So, I don't know. I think maybe... It unfortunately doesn't really serve its cast, because honestly, the one who I do want to see more of, who I think is giving a great performance without much to do is Anne-Marie Duff. I think she's so good. I always love her, genuinely.

Like, she's somebody who... She was in the original British version of Shameless, playing the character. that essentially Emmy Rossum plays in the American version. And her love interest in that was James McAvoy, and they ended up getting married for real in 2006. And they were married for, like, 10 years, like all during the, like, the James McAvoy ascendancy. And they ended up getting divorced in, like, 2016.

And, but I've always really liked her. She's been in stuff like... The Magdalene Sisters, she was in Nowhereboy, I recall. I think she was maybe his mom in Nowhereboy. Isn't that Kristen Scott Thomas? Maybe. Who is she in Nowhereboy then? She's someone.

Julia Lennon. Yeah, that was his mother. Kristen Scott Thomas is his aunt, who he lived with. Chris and Scott Thomas is Paul McCartney in that man. Yes, Kristen Scott Thomas is Sergeant Pepper, the real-life Sergeant Pepper, yes. She's having a rigby. And also, most recently, Anne-Marie Deff was in the first season of his Dark Materials on HBO and was really good.

So, yeah, Justice for, et cetera, et cetera. But yeah, she's really good. I think Natalie Press is really good. That is a character I wish we had more of in this, especially given what happens to her by the end of it. I think Gleason does a really good job trying to play. the line between being such a total bastard and sort of by the end you feel like he respects her for her. He's more of like a systemic evil than like the snarling man in the laundry factory. Like he's still bad. Like he still represents everything. Yeah. But like it's a way more

complicated villain than you might be expecting. He's also just one of my favorite working actors. I also love that they cast, we talked about Ben Washaw in this movie a little bit. when we did our Benwishaw or Donald Gleason quiz when Katie was on. And I was interested to see that he played her sort of like rotten husband in this movie. And you watch this. And like, he's not normally who you would cast as a bad husband in a story like this because he's so slight and wispy as his general nature. but I liked that he was that guy in this movie where it's like, oh, no, it wasn't just that like this big, brutish sort of like, you know, intimidating person. It's just like, no, the betas were also terrible back then as well.

I think that's one of the things the movie could get more credit for is some of its atypical casting that actually feels more revealing to the subject that we're talking about because, like, yeah, we do expect these like brutish men. constantly, like, dominating over these women, whereas you do have Ben Wischaw in this role where he does absolutely horrible, reprehensible things and not in a, like, mustache twirrely kind of way. And he's a weak, he's a weak man who makes weak decisions and that, like, our societies are not just run by brutish men behaving poorly and hating women, but also the, like, soft boys like Ben Weishaw. Well, you see that in the beginning, too, where it seems like Maude is the Carrie Mulligan character, and it seems like

early on that she's encouraged by this hearing that they have with members of parliament, one of whom is David Lloyd-George, who would be Prime Minister not too far after the events of this movie, I don't think. And she's very encouraged by this. I think she's sort of optimistic that he's going to push for a platform that will help advance the women's suffrage cause. And he, like, totally sells them out. And that's a big part of what makes her so disillusioned and, you know, helps to radicalize her.

But I think that's another part of that, too, where it's just like it's these, you know, ineffective male politicians who give lip service but don't, you know, have any intention of following through and won't stick their necks out and that kind of thing. And I think that's pretty effective. I also, and I'm sure you felt this way, too, especially during the scene. where Emilyne Pankhurst, Merrill Streep's character, is giving her speech, how applicable it is to, especially the events of this summer

in terms of a lot of, like, the tutting about the Black Lives Matter movement and why do you have to harm property, and is that really advancing your cause, and that kind of thing? And it's interesting, you almost want to, like, connect the dots for people about just, like,

we agree that what the people who are fighting for women's suffrage in a movie like Suffragett were doing, we agree that ultimately what they were doing was right. It was a righteous cause. A storefront being damaged is not the equal to a person being subjugated, like all this sort of stuff. And you feel like there are people who would watch a movie like suffragette and be like, yes, good, go for it, and then might also sort of cluck their tongues at the tactics of... And not be able to see the... And not connect those dots. Right, right, right, right. And it's interesting to watch a movie that was made, you know, only five years ago, but is, I think, more applicable to what's

going on right now. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I think you kind of mentioned, like, it's not fully shot all that interestingly, like that's where I kind of felt it a little bit more that I'm like, this should maybe be a little bit more rousing than it is or I guess

enervating something, you know? Like it should have more of a pulse, especially in those moments of the movie. And that's maybe where it's like this movie only ever gets 75% of the way to where it needs to go. You compare it to a movie, or at least I did, to a movie like

Peterloo, which Mike Lee directed a couple years ago, which is a movie that doesn't have the star power of Suffragette, and yet really manages to make its characters pop more because it really sort of, as Mike Lee tends to do, sort of really invests in them and gets you in on, you know, the ground level with them. And ultimately, what ends up happening with the massacre, the Peterloo Massacre, and that is incredibly harrowing for the violence and everything like that that happened. But it's also just like a really good movie about sort of investing the audience in a movement or, you know, the beginnings of a movement. And it's really good. It's really good, like very highly recommended. And I think that's a movie that succeeds where a lot of

time suffragette fails. Yeah, that's an interesting comparison. Yeah, I thought of it a few times during this movie, especially when you see the sort of the big rioting scenes, which are not ineffective in suffragette. They're just not as effective as they could be. Yeah. What did you think the best scenes for Mulligan were in terms of, excuse me, what did you think the best scenes were for Carrie Mulligan in terms of acting in this?

I mean, I think about... the contrast between when she goes to the court and it's early in her kind of radicalization and then her interrogation scene with Brendan Gleason. Both of which scenes have gotten, like, accusations of heavy-handedness or preachiness lobbed out them from the reviews that I read. And I think it's silly because those are the two scenes that are, like, contrasting this character and like yes i think it's probably more of a i guess for lack of a better word mainstream or like populist uh kind of writing for like exciting an audience when she's like

we use violence because that's the only language that men understand like that kind of thing where it feels slogany but like it's a i think it's effective but it is also a scene too that like it's building up to like needing that kind of catharsis or release or someone like putting things so plainly. But in terms of her performance, I think you see a huge amount of character arc in just those two scenes that kind of reflect

each other. And I just like watching Carrie Mulligan be really angry, but not yell. Yes, yeah. I also think the scene, and it's, you know, obviously it's the scene that sort of presses down most on the

scale in terms of emotion. But the scene where her son gets taken by the adoptive couple is deeply harrowing. And I think she really shows up for that, that part where she just tells him her name because she knows that she's not going to be able to do anything. And she wants him to be able to find her when he's grown up is really affecting. And I don't know, I thought sometimes, I think sometimes we tend to, to see big emotional, you know, for lack of a better term, like weepy scenes like that as being cynical or easy or whatever. And it's just like, sometimes I got to take a step back and

just be like, calling upon that degree of emotion and being able to harness it in a way that she does is not easy. Is the business of acting, but it's why I could not be an actor like that. Like, it's really impressive. I don't know why. I, like, I still maybe can't. It could just be the movie at large isn't getting fully to the station, but I don't know why I can't put the thing, the pin in it on why I don't think her performance is being served enough to, like, get her best actress recognition anywhere.

But it, I honestly feel like. And she's doing a great job. And maybe partly it's that, like, she never. doesn't show up to a movie. She's always fantastic. I don't know. I think honestly, I think if the rest of the movie around her were better and it was something that was

in the conversation because the film was better, she wouldn't have to be any better than she is to get a nomination because I think her performance is really solid. And I thought that way about Mudbound, which I know did get some nominations but didn't really ever

approach her on a nomination level, which I think is too bad because I think she really is fantastic in that. I thought the same with a movie Like Never Let Me Go, which didn't really get any kind of awards attention even though it was expected to. And I thought she was really fantastic in that.

You're right, she does. She always comes to play. And now this year, I'm really wondering, this is such a weird year. I'm so interested to see what happens with promising young woman. Because she's definitely getting buzz. I know Nate Jones, our former guest,

Jones put her in his predictions when he kicked off the vulture, whatever, charts that they do. And it's a really challenging movie. It is an audacious movie. It's a dark movie. But I really think it goes for something and succeeds in a lot of ways, in many ways. And she's fantastic. but I could see, I could easily see this being a movie that just doesn't sit right with Academy voters and they just, like, they go for other options. She'll definitely need some noise, I think, not because of the performance, but for the movie and how it's potentially going to sit with Academy viewers, because, like, listeners, if you've seen the trailer and you think that it's dark, it's darker.

It's darker. It's darker. It's darker than you think, yeah. But I think it's just one of the more exciting things we've ever seen her do. It feels like a riff on other characters maybe, but in a way that is utilized differently because, like, I mean, we mentioned a bunch of them of her performances, and the one I think it's maybe closest to is wildlife, which, like, truly feels like everyone screwed her over for that movie. It's a wildlife, Chris. It's a wild life. Only bad scene in that movie. She's, again, wonderful in that movie.

That's another one where the buzz never really arrived, but she's fantastic. Promising Young Woman is a hard movie to talk about without going into the details of, and you kind of want people to be able to experience it fresh, but that also means experiencing the full weight of its darkness. If you don't know fully what you're kind of. of getting yourself into but at the same time like I think it's such a tricky tone of a movie that it's like it's not a comedy but it is done with a certain level of wink and wit and I think that's really distilled perfectly in her performance um it's very heightened her performance and the film but in I don't think ways to say that the movie is uh on

some of the, if maybe the movie's not as great as his movies, it's on kind of the stylistic or satirical bent that Jordan Peel's movies are on. That's not a bad comparison actually. Right. Where it's like... This isn't a horror

movie, but like if it was a horror movie, I think, you know, in terms of like the context it's doing, the kind of element of surprise that it delivers. I also think the fact that she's a British actress doing an American accent helps the heightenedness of that character where

she's just a little bit, not fantastical, but just like a little bit bigger than life, or more out of place. My joke to you was that she is Mavis Gare's tethered. I think that's a really good way. to put it, and again, brings up the Jordan Peel thing. It's, yeah, I think the trailer sort of suggests this kind of avenging angel kind of a thing, where she is out to make predatory men pay for, you know, trying to take advantage of women who are drunk at a club, and definitely starts out that way.

And it doesn't, it's not like it reverses course or anything like that, but it goes to a lot more interesting, more complicated, more. It's not like, this isn't like Harley Quinn, you know, rampaging through, you know. You under the process of the movie, you learn and even question her motives for doing this in a way that, like, is constantly revealing her motivation to not be what you expect it to be. And you see her behave in certain ways that you don't know until later that maybe it's not exactly what. you thought you saw. Yeah. Or thought you thought she was doing.

Yeah. I was DMing yesterday with my friend Linda Holmes, who, from Pop Culture Happy Hour, and she had just seen the movie, so we were sort of chatting about it. And she was really struck by the casting of all the men in the movie, who all almost uniformly have played, have played, like, sort of quirky, nice guys on especially television. get Adam Brody and Max Greenfield and Chris Lowell, and then Bo Burnham, who plays a really interesting character, who ends up being a love interest for Carrie Mulligan's character, and she was just like way to weaponize this kind of affable, sort of likable men in ways that

really pulls back the curtain on this idea of the nice guy. And it's, again, really in keeping with... Yeah, talk about a movie that doesn't just set its sights on the bad behavior of macho men in a way that I thought was really smart and thrilling. This movie has its needles out and they are all sharp and they all really puncture really effectively. I'm just really comforted these days in these unprecedented times I am comforted by movies that don't give a shit about subtlety Yeah

This movie really does It does it There's plenty of nuance But it is not subtle In a way that I thought was spectacular Yeah So anyway, so maybe

Fingers crossed Maybe Carrie Mulligan can get that second Oscar nomination Because I remember when She got the nomination in 2009 For an education It was if not a literal debut performance It was essentially a debut performance

Nobody really knew who Carrie Mulligan She had been in Pride and Prejudication It's a big breakthrough. Right. She'd done, like, television and theater. Right. But it was, for a lot of people, it was the first time they had ever heard of Carrie Mulligan. It was a, you know, big spotlight kind of a role.

And she got a best actress nomination. I remember, I think I even clipped this a couple weeks ago when we talked about Sandra Bullock's Oscar speech. And she had that moment where she just sort of says, Carrie, your youth and your talent makes me sick. It's just like, and that was sort of the sense of just like, oh, she's going to be the next big thing, the next big, I don't know whether, you know, not necessarily, you know, the next Kate Blanchett, but like of that thing where it's just like, oh, this is the new sort of great British actress. And she kept getting roles, but never really got that second

Oscar nomination. And... Always in things that are just like just outside of Oscar's taste or like just didn't work out, like, never let me go. Right. Well, one of those roles that I think she was worthy of a nomination, if not an outright win, was another Abby Morgan scripted project. I want to sort of pivot into that for a second, because Abby Morgan wrote this movie. That is a screenwriter who came into prominence all at once with multiple projects, where in 2011 she wrote, shame, which Carrie Mulligan is in. Lady. Probably deserved an Oscar for. The Iron Lady, which Merrill won an Oscar for. And on

television, she did The Hour with Ben Washaw, among other people, which I think she won an Emmy for writing that. I'm pretty sure. So, also, Romola Gary is in The Hour. What are Romla Gary and Ben Washa? So clearly, I mean, these British actors who show up in each other's projects, Like, it's not surprising, but, you know, they're a pack that gets shuffled around, and we see them in a bunch of things. But anyway, so, like, Abby Morgan, all of a sudden, 2011 happens. It's just, like, new big, like, amazing talent, and suffragette felt like it could have been a sort of culmination of that, and it wasn't because the movie sort of. And I don't know if this is necessarily a sparklingly written movie, but it is, it is, it is. It does re-team Carrie Mulligan with Ebby Morgan.

But I think she's, I think, Carrie, for as much as people, sort of, the opinions on shame are kind of all over the map. Yeah, absolutely. And the opinions on her character. She's our supporting actress winner that you can. But I think a lot of people also really don't like her performance in that movie, because it is, it's extra. But, yeah, she's my supporting actress winner that year. She's playing a very particular kind of person that requires her to have these incredible highs, incredible lows of performance.

I think the scene where she sings New York, New York, is a good litmus test for you with that movie, where if that scene works for you on a kind of dripping mascara, grotesque kind of level for you, then the rest of the movie will also probably work for you. And for me, it does. And I think for a lot of people, that's what people are just like, well, I'm out. And it's just like, fair enough, I suppose. but I think she's great and yeah. I love that movie.

I do too. So, I've been working also directed The Invisible Woman in 2013, I should also say, which got an Oscar nomination for, I'm pretty sure, costumes. Yeah. So that is a movie about Charles Dickens that I thought was pretty boring, actually. Yeah, that movie didn't really have an imprint. Directed by and starring Ray Fines, but yeah, anyway. Ray Fines casting himself as great writers always seems to have the same ceiling.

I'm also thinking of All Is True. Oh, God. You're always thinking of All It's True, though, is the thing. I know. The only people who watch their screeners for All Is True is our beloved AARP movies for grown-ups. I was going to say, if not for you and the AARP, Movies for Grownups Awards, I would never have known what all is true is. But Joe, is all true? Okay. All right.

Smart Alec. There we go. There we go. I had to go there. So, before we get into the Oscar year, because I do want to talk about that, we talked about Suffragette as being a film that premiered somewhat curiously at the Telluride Film Festival in 2015. We haven't played alter egos for a little bit.

in this podcast. So I want to do a quick round of alter egos because Telluride doesn't have too many films and they're not all ones where you can play Alter Ego with them. It's usually like 25 movies playing over a weekend. Right, but a lot of them are foreign titles in documentaries and things where I'm not going to be able to find

recognizable character, you know, names to play this game. So this is sort of an abbreviated alter egos. And some of these are, I tried to make these maybe a little bit challenging because of it, but I'm sure you will prove me inadequate in that, for sure. So all of the answers for this are movies that played the 2015. Telluride Film Festival, a reminder how we play this game. I give three names of characters. Chris will then have to determine who the actors who played those characters are,

and then what was the movie that those three actors were in together. all right so are we ready we are very ready all right the very first one your characters are stepmother the sisters and mistress epps wow the sisters someone playing the sisters wow uh stepmother is olivia coleman for flea bag right are you doing tv characters i will say i don't think i have any TV characters on this one. Sometimes they do TV, but not on this one. Okay. Stepmother, the

sisters, and what? Mistress Epps. Mistress Epps. That is familiar to me. Huh. Okay, so what would have been at this telluride?

I don't know if I could work backwards there. Epps is familiar. I don't want to say that. That's like, huh. What are movies with significant stepmother characters? Stepmom. What are stories with significant? Oh, this is Carol.

This is Carol, because stepmother is Cape Blanchett and Cinderella. The Sisters is Rooney Mora and Kubo. And Mistress Epps is Sarah Paulson in 12 Years a Slave? Very good. Very good. I'm very proud of you. Yes, it's Carol. which played the 2015

Telleride Film Festival. Okay, next one is... Carol's a Christmas movie. All of you listeners better be watching it this year. Okay. Sorry, wait one second. I want to... All right, the next one is

Envy Adams, Elizabeth Proctor, and TikTok McLaughlin. Not TikTok McLaughlin. Huh. Say those again? N.V. Adams, Elizabeth Proctor, and Tick-Tock, McLaughlin. Elizabeth Proctor is definitely something I've seen.

Proctor. What's a movie with Proctor? Hmm. And then Elizabeth, what? N.V. Adams. N.V. Adams. Hmm. Okay. So this sounds like multiple. women in a movie. Yes.

It's, hmm, it can't be suffragette. It's not suffragette. Elizabeth Proctor is a character from a great work of literature. Right. Well, a literary, a literary play. Ah, yeah. Oh, so that's the crucible. So that is Joan Allen

What other crucibles were there on film? It's just Joan Allen. Yeah. Joan Allen in a movie in 2015. Oh, boy. Now, Envy Adams, what kind of a character does that sound like to you? I mean, it sounds like an assassin.

It's not the Adams family because I don't know of an envy. It's not the Adams family. Like, what medium do you think a name like NV Adams might come from? An action movie. Well, beyond just like... Or a horror movie. Beyond genre, what medium?

Medium? Yeah. Like, what type of entertainment? Pop. Movies. What's a really heightened, like, medium of entertainment? entertainment? MTV. No. No. Where like you could write a story that's really fantastical or perhaps. Oh, like fantasy? Sure. Or let's say I just give you the answer and it's comic books. Oh, okay. So it's a comic book character, Joan Allen. Oh, it's room.

Yeah. Why? Walk us through. Walk us through. Because, well, N.V. Adams is the Scott Pilgrim character, if that's Brie Larson. It is. Yes, correct. And then what was the third character? TikTok McLaughlin. TikTok McLaughlin has to be Bill Macy. Do you want to take a guess? No idea.

Seabiscuit. No. It is William H. Macy's. No, we're moving on from Seabiscuit. I want to say Golden Glock. Glob nomination, nominated performance in C-Biscuit? For a major precursor.

Yes, all right. C-Biscuit, which I remember defending during our 2003. Or as you would call it, uh, secretary. Secretary. Okay. Okay. Uh, next one is Reed Richards, Brian Italis, and the Grinch. Oh, okay.

So the Grinch is Jim Carrey. Or Benedict Cumberbatch. Um. Which do you think is more likely, a tellerite in 2015. Benedict Cumberbatch. And Benedict Cumberbatch in 2015 would have been there for the imitation game.

It's not the imitation game. That's 2014. Oh, fuck off. What would Benedict Cumberbatch have done in 2015? Smow Grises again. You know at least one of these other two names. Right. You said Reed Richards or something like that? Richards and

Brian E. Talley Talis. Reed Richards is really familiar. I would have thought Briani would

have been the one. Brianie? You said Brianny Talis? Yeah. Oh, why didn't I

catch that? That is, it's either Romola Gary or Sersha or Vanessa Redgrave.

Right. From a tournament. It's It's not Sersha, because I don't think she had anything other than Brooklyn that year, and Brooklyn didn't go to Tell Your Ride. Vanessa Redgrave, maybe, or Romula Gary. Reed Richards is another comic book character, by the way.

Right, that tracks. Hmm. I feel like it's going to be Vanessa Redgrave, but I don't know what she was in with Cumberbatch. Oh, boy, what was Benedict Cumberbatch in that year? Help me out with Reed Richards. All right, Reed Richards is the lead character of a famous quartet in comic books. Oh, okay, so the Fantastic Four. Right.

It's not going to be Miles Teller. Who was the other... Ian Griffo? Right. So it's him and Benedict Cumberbatch. And... Romula Gary or Vanessa Wright Grave. I don't know if I know what this movie is,

because I don't know if I've recognized Ian Griffo in a movie since Fantastic Four, maybe. It's about the writing of a famous song. A famous song. Is it that Amazing Grace movie? It is that amazing grace movie. movie. Why the hell was that?

That wasn't the Amazing Grace of the documentary Amazing Grace that took years to they kept programming it at Tell Your Ride and a re- Oh, maybe I got the titles confused then. You bastard. You're right, because Amazing Grace is from like way earlier. Sorry.

It's like 2005. I totally got the titles confused. You're right. Sorry. It was the Amazing Grace that was the, was it Sidney Pollock? They tried to program that several years worth of Tiff and Telluride

and Aretha kept putting a stop on it And then I think it wasn't right before she died That she actually approved a release of it I think that's true All right, that's my bad I put you through torture for no reason So sorry Writing this down and I will absolutely

Give you your comeuppance when you least expect it In some type of way All right, all right, next one Rochester Bitsy Bloom and Pumba Bitsy Blum-Bitzy Blum is probably from the brother's bloom It's not

But that's a great assumption Well I've never seen that movie I should Pumba is either Well that's got to be Seth Rogan Is it Steve Jobs It is Steve Jobs Walk me through it

Well what else would Seth Rogan have it Tell your ride What were the first two names Rochester Which is Fast Bender in some action movie I will never see like Jonah Hex. It's in the action movie, Jane Eyre, actually.

Oh, great, great. I have seen that movie. And I didn't think you would have seen the movie that Kate Winsett plays Bitsy Bloom, but I did want to just get it out there on the record. Is it romance and cigarettes? No, it's, oh, it's what's the Life of David Gale? Her character in the Life of David Gale is named Bitsy Bloom for Pete's eventual um this had oscar buzz movie whenever we feel like cringing for nine days here's an asterisk i want to put on this though um in looking this up and trying to find a michael fastbender character there is a period of time that spans about two years in his career where he plays four he's in four movies where he plays the title character wow do you want to take a guess um steven jobs Steve Jobs, yes

Frank Frank, I was going to say one of which is a movie that keeps coming up on quizzes Frank, we keep talking about Frank on this podcast Yes, we do It's a good movie Also directed by Lenny Abramson, the director of Room Yes

Okay, what were his other ones? None of the X-Men, not shame, he doesn't play like William's shame in shame He doesn't. Wouldn't it be great if he did? It did. the problem is he was in four billion movies at that time right but again they were all within two years of each other so within two years of frank and uh steve jobs i mean that's a lot of movies one of which is um an adaptation of a great work of literature one of which is a film

a flop by a very, very prolific director. Oh. Yeah, I don't know if I have these. I feel like I should, and they're going to be embarrassing the second you say them. They won't be embarrassing. That's why, it's a tough, it's a tough question.

Okay, who's like the greatest writer ever? Shakespeare. Right. Oh, it was a title character of Shakespeare. Right. It's not Coriolanus. It's not. What Shakespeare adaptations came out?

Is Coriolanus another one where Ray Fines writes himself as, or directs himself as the main character? Yes. Yeah, that's funny. All right. What's like the two most famous Shakespeare plays? Oh, Macbeth, Macbeth, Macbeth. Yes, okay.

All right. That movie's fine. Cotiar is good. The last one, again, flopped by a very prolific director, a very star-studded cast, and it's not necessarily the title of the film is not necessarily a name. Meaning he is the title character, but the title isn't a name, you're saying? Right. His character's name is his job, essentially. The counselor?

The counselor? Okay. Isn't that wild, though, that, like, in that span of time, he played, he was Steve Jobs and Steve Jobs, Macbeth and Macbeth, Frank and the counselor and the counselor. He was famously not the title character of the snowman. He plays a man named Harry Hole, which I do believe is pronounced Hullah, but we're not doing it. We're in America right now. Okay. Next one.

Rochester, Ramsey's. And Thomas Edison. So a different Rochester. Yes. Well, Ramsey's is Joel Edgerton. What was the third name? In what, though? Remind our listeners.

In Exodus Gods and Kings. That's right. Check out our previous episode. Third one is Thomas Edison. Oh, okay. So Edison and a different Rochester. Yes. Who else did a Jane Eyre?

It's not a Jane Eyre. I'm being a full asshole when I put in Rochester. Or like, please focus on the other ones. You do make the thing that I expected it to be. Say that third name again? Thomas Edison. Thomas. Okay, so who's played Thomas Edison in a movie that wasn't 1776?

I don't think he's in 1776. Oh, it's got to be someone from the current war. Right. Who was the current war? Which would have, no, that's not this. Thomas Edison, was that Michael Shannon? No, he was the other one. He was Westinghouse.

Is that Benedict Cumberbatch? It's Benedict Cumberbatch. Joel Edgerton. Is it Black Mass? It is. Black Mass. I'm glad you got it from the other two because Rochester is Johnny Depp in the Libertine. Well.

Yes. All right. Next one. Black Mass. Goodbye. Terrible movie. Do you remember when that was at all of the festivals and everybody was really predicting it for Oscar success? It was at all of the festivals a week before.

it opened. Ugh, brutal. Terrible movie. Okay, next one. Bruce Wayne, Lyndon B. Johnson, and Russell Hammond. Okay.

Russell Hammond is familiar. Bruce Wayne, 2015, so it's Clooney or Christian Bale. It's definitely not Val Kilmer. Oh, no, no, no, no. It's Michael Keaton. It's Spotlight.

It is Spotlight. Walk me through the other ones. The second name you said was... Lyndon B. Johnson? Lyndon B. Johnson, which is Leav Schreiber in the Butler. Correct. And the third name you said was... Russell Hammond.

Russell Hammond, which is a Ruffalo character? Nope. It is a Tucci character. Nope. Okay, it's a slattery character. No, you're running out of male star. of this one. Brian Darcy James. Nope. Oh, it is

God. Damn it. God. Damn it. I always forget. I remember Brian Darcy James in this movie before. I remember Billy Crutup is in this movie. Russell Hammond is almost famous. Correct. Very good. Okay. Remus Lupin, Allegra Geller, and Francis Dollar Hyde. Remus Lupin is Daniel Thulis. David Thulis.

Dollar Hyde is I know that What was the middle name again? Allegra Geller Sure Thuleus in 2015 Hmm

Indeed Thulis in 2015 It's not like an Adamagoyan movie is it It's not an Adamagoyan movie No Allegra green Allegra Green sounds like

Allegra Geller Allegra Geller Allegra Geller is a character from a film directed by a director who you sort of went on a bender with his films

earlier this year Right Okay Allegra Geller is What is that from? Um, it's not from crash. Not from crash.

Nope. Is it from like Cosmopolis? Nope. It is a film that I love. Existence. Yeah. Jennifer Jason Lee. Yeah.

Death to the demoness or the Allegra Geller. Yeah. Uh, and the third one was Dollar Hyde. Francis Dollar Hyde. Francis Dollar Hyde is a, is a famous, um, villain. monster killer from two movies.

McAvoy. No. You're thinking of split? It's not split. I hate those movies. No. He's from a movie where another character is a much more famous serial killer

in fiction. Is Dollar Hyde a Hannibal Lecter character? Yes. Gary Oldman Nope, that's Mason Verger Yes

Think of a different movie From that Francis Dollar Hyde is not in And this isn't from a TV So this isn't the Hannibal television show No, but it's the He best character was also in the Hannibal television show Yeah, so it's got to be

Red Dragon is it Ray Fines No, but that Red Dragon was the same story as told... Tom Noonan. Yes. Oh, it's... If you put Tom Noon in, it's Anomalisa. It is... Well, David Thulis is the main character in Anomalisa, right?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. David Thulis... Jennifer Jason Lee, Tom Noonin are all the voices from Anomalisa. Charlie Kaufman's Anomelisa. Okay, last one. Daisy Buchanan, Miss Havisham, and Yolanda Johnson. Daisy Buchanan is Carrie Mulligan, so it is absolutely suffragette. Right.

What are the other ones? Ms. Havisham is Helena Bonham Carter, and the third one you said, I'm guessing, is Meryl. Yolanda Johnson. Do you remember what that's from? No. That is her character in a prairie home companion. Oh, yeah. Oh, I love that movie.

I do as well. Very good. Good job with alter egos. Thank you. Some of those were very evil. including a movie that was wrong. Yes, fine. I was dumb. I was a dumb, dumb, okay.

Anyway, back to suffragette. Okay, so let's talk about the 2015 Oscars. Now the word, we've enmeshed ourselves in all the big 2015 awards season plays. Best actress that year, I always remember who those

five were, because that was that one image where they, it was the lineup of all five women, and it was like, oh, it's the story of one white woman as she ages throughout her life where it was Cershia in Brooklyn,

Sersha Ronan in Brooklyn, Jennifer Lawrence in Joy, Brie Larson and Room, Kate Blanchett and Carol, and Charlotte Rampling in 45 years. It's a great lineup, though. Honestly,

especially because you and I both think that Jennifer Lawrence is great in joy. Jennifer Lawrence and Joy, I wonder if she or Charlotte Rampling our fifth place. Right, because rambling, it was, it seemed very touch and go. Sorry, go ahead.

Yeah, she was the one that, like, had to be, clearly was the one that, like, had the, like, heavy campaign. It's one of the few nominations IFC ever got. And, like, was one of the critical play favorites. I don't think they have the money is what it is. And it's just not their audience. It's not what they go for. It, um, but like, yeah, it had to, it did the full festival run that year.

It was a, um, a critical favorite, like, I mean, you watch the performance and you totally, um, you totally get why she would be nominated, but like, it's a small movie. It took up until the very last minute of people finally catching up to it. And like, you watch the performance and you see, yes, they're going to vote for that. Um, so it's like, she was one of those. ones that you felt the confidence throughout the year that like that will happen for Oscar even though it's not happening for like sag well if you remember too the chaos of this year was that the golden globes nominated both runy mara and carol and a leash of a candor in the danish girl as leads because they both are like runy mara is the pov main character and Carol, Kate Blanchett is also a lead, but, like, it's a two-lead movie. And I forgot that Kate Winslet got the supporting globe, and honestly, I think that's great.

Oh, for Steve Jobs? Yeah, she's fucking fantastic. I love her in that movie. I absolutely, she should have won the Oscar as well. Well, Rune-Marr should have won the Oscar, but, like, that is a lead role. It's, God damn it. Right. Anyway.

I hate the category fraud conversation, especially now. I do, too, but, like, come on. But, like, yeah, yeah, it's a pretty. agreed to see her for it. So the Globe drama was Brie Larson, Kate Blanchett and Rune-Mara and Carol, Alicia Vikander in the Danish girl, and Sertia in Brooklyn, and then Jennifer

Lawrence wins the comedy, the musical or comedy one for joy, which made everybody so mad and I could... I mean, Melissa McCarthy for Spy was nominated and should have won, like, hands down, but... I mean, Jennifer Lawrence was never not winning that Globe. Of course. That was the thing about people

getting mad about that, right? Because people hated the movie, even though, like, it's an interesting. It's a really interesting movie. It's a messy movie, but I think it's one of her best performances. I agree. I agree. Absolutely.

And then the SAG Awards, this was, it was, they. This is wild. This is like one of the proof of, not proof of concept, but like, if you ever want to see how SAG, like, when they're clearly voting, like early campaigning always helps with SAG, getting screeners to everyone always. helps with SAG. Yes. This lineup is wild. So this one, they had put Vecander and Rooney Mara back into supporting because I think SAG is the one where the movie puts you in the category that they want you in, right?

Mm-hmm. Like you are submitted by the studio and they can control that. So they were both in supporting Vakander wins. Lead was Brie Larson in Room, Kate Blanchett in Carroll, Sersher Ronan in Brooklyn, all three of whom who would go on to Oscar nominations. then they nominated Helen Mirren for Women in Gold, which is hilarious. I can't wait to do an episode on whatever the hell that movie is. Is that Army Hammers also in that movie?

No, Ryan Reynolds. Yeah. That's even better. It's a hymnobo actor opposite Helen Mirren. Simon Curtis, man. Like, yeah, we definitely do have to do an episode on Women in Gold for sure. And then Sarah Silverman in I Smile Back, which was the, comedic actress in a

like real bummer-ass drama that played Sundance, I'm pretty sure. It definitely was at TIF because I think they did like, you know, when they select the actors to give the talkbacks basically. Yeah. I think she was one of them. It was one of those, it's, it felt like somebody

watched Take This Waltz, where Sarah Sullivan, I think, is great playing a supporting character. She's an alcoholic. She's friends with Michelle Wood. Williams, and it's a generally, there's some comedic sort of, like, hints to that, but, like, it's a generally dramatic performance. And somebody saw that, and we're like, we are going to make that into a whole movie. And it's going to be Sarah Silverman going through some shit. And apparently, the, like, the screener campaign for that was, like, very aggressive in terms of, I think that was that one of those where it was, like, the first screener that went out to people or something like that year. Possibly. But, like, she gets that nomination. Grandma was the first screener to go out to... Which did get a Globe nomination for Lily Tomlin, deservedly so. She was great. But, yeah, so absolute chaos at the sags.

And then so the Oscars take one look at that and are just like, well, no. And we'll do Jennifer Lawrence, who we love. And we'll do Charlotte Rampling in 45 years, which is a wonderful nomination. indeed. Helen Miran was nominated twice at that SAG for Women in Gold and for Trumbo, and she didn't get an Oscar nomination for either one of them, which is... Yeah, this is the... Sag loves Helen Miran. This is where it's like... Yeah. Up until the last second, people are predicting her to be nominated for Oscar for Hitchcock because of SAG.

Right. What year was that? 2014? Maybe. Maybe. 13, something. Something. The spread in 2015 is so good, though, that, like, there's a lot of people who really didn't even get close, like, Charlie's Theron and Mad Max, who got a Critics Choice nomination, but was, like, never in play for an Oscar nomination. Now, I'm trying, I want to bring up mine, being self-indulgent as I am, because they want to, obviously, I loved the two leads in Carroll intensely. Yeah, pencil them in right there.

Yeah, for sure. Give me a second. Yeah, it's a really interesting year. This was also the year that, like, supporting actor was absolutely, uh, absolute chaos where Michael Shannon kept showing up for 99 homes, a movie that, like, I'm pretty sure nobody saw. And Idris Elba won the SAG for Beasts of No Nation. And, like, the Netflix pushback was significant that year.

But that was also the SAG Awards that happened right after Oscar so white happened with the all white Oscar nominees. So, like, Idris Elba, who wasn't even nominated for an Oscar, wins the sag. And it's just like, yeah. And he had also won for television for Luther that year as well. And like four of the six acting winners in television were black actors. So it was, felt like a pushback of some sort in that arena. But can be you? one second, I'll find my best. All right, so my best actress for 2015 is this is interesting. So it's kind of almost entirely the Oscar lineup.

It's Camp Blanchet, Brie Larson, Rooney Mara, Charlotte Rampling, and then in a tight race for fifth, I have Nina Hoss in Phoenix over Emily Blunt in Sicario. Yeah. But this year

also... You love Emily Blunt in that movie. And she never showed up anywhere. It killed me not to include Blythe Danner for I'll see you in my dreams, who is so good. And in fact, now in retrospect, I might be on my list. I might put her in over, I guess, Bree Larson, even though I really do think Brie Larson is fantastic in room and it's a very well-deserved Oscar win. I don't think Sersha shows up on either of ours either, and that's just such a great performance. Sersh is in my top 10. Jennifer Lawrence for Joy in my top 10. and Greta Gerwig for Mistress America is in my top ten.

Yep. Taozhou in Mountains Made Depart was that year. She's on my five. She's amazing in that. Lily Tomlin and Grandma, Melissa McCarthy and Spy. Julia Pinoche in Clouds of Sills Maria. Margot Robby in Z for Zachariah. It's a really good year. It's a really good year for actresses. My five would be the two carol actresses, Chautau, Charlotte Rampling,

and wait what did I say it was my fifth uh blive d'nner I closed my tab blive danner yeah blive danner yeah blive danner and

and uh lily tomlin that year that was the big um sam elliott's because it's sam elliott in both of those right yes

Sam elliott shows up to romance your grandma smoking hot um in a bunch of his movie well he's also like crying in grandma too, so everybody thought it would be grandma. Who's your sixth place? Emily Blunt and Sicario. Oh, okay. My sixth place is Charlize.

Yeah, Charlize is probably on my longer list. I think that was one of those things where I was, I think, I was very much planted my flag in Mad Max is a visuals movie and not a performances movie, even with the exception of Nicholas Holt, who I think is probably

my winner that year for supporting actor. But I was like, I think... See, that's like, Charlize in that movie is me planting in my flag, and, like, that's the movie star performance. I mean, I think you're right. I mean, you're definitely, you're not wrong. I think that's a very, like, Sigourney Weaver and Aliens kind of a thing, right? Your action heroine, leading lady kind of a thing.

I wouldn't argue against it, for sure. It's just, it's farther down my list. But, yeah, great year for best actress. Here's a secret. They're all great years for best actress. Yes, yes. you cannot lose. Notedly, neither of us said Maggie Smith,

Lady in the Van, which was Globe nominated. Absolutely. Bafta nominated. Oh, what was the Bafta? Do you have that in front of you? I have all of the tabs open, if you are curious. Charlize was the only, like, outlier at Critics' Choice. Bafta was Brie Larson and Room, Carol, for Kate Blanchett, Sersha for Brooklyn, Alicia V. Kander for the Danish girl and Maggie Smith for Lady in the Band. Lady in the Van is a thoroughly unwell movie.

My goodness gracious, yeah. And then the other... Indy Spirit had an interesting lineup. Three Larson wins. Carol, Kate Blanchett, and Rooney Mora. Bell Pauley for Diary of a Teenage Girl. Great. And Katana Kiki Rodriguez for Transdureen.

Great. That was... I think that was during the era where indie spirits were really dovetailing closely with the Oscars in a way that I didn't love where I was like it's a whole stretch of it I think Indy Spirit this year will finally be interesting again. Well, but

maybe not because I think part of the reason why the indie spirits and the Oscars started sort of becoming closer in terms of overlap is the indie spirits got a little more mainstream but I think the Oscars got a lot more indie so I think that was a big function

of it. That's fair. And I think that could happen this year as well in a big way. I think the Oscars could end up going real indie because what else, you know, what's the option beyond some of these bigger? Well, and I'm still skeptical that they're going to get best picture to Netflix. Well, the thing about indie spirits, which is like, I'm not trying to look down my nose at indie spirits with this, but it is true. Their nominating committee, I think, is one thing, but to actually vote on the indie spirits, you can pay like a hundred bucks or 75 bucks to be like... I know. I always say we should do that. Let's do that next year.

Let's make that a thing. I mean... We could be obnoxious about it. I don't know. Well, but that's the thing. If you're having a large voting body, no matter what, and this is true of Oscar, too. The larger your voting body,

the more likely I think it is to support a more mainstream. Right. No, that's the thing everybody knows. That's statistics. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Yeah. But anyway, I'm really interested, actually,

to see how the indie spirits go. And I do think there'll be really interesting nominees I just think the Oscars may have to sort of go that way as well. But we'll see. It'll be really interesting. I think all awards of this year are going to end up being really interesting to see what they end up going to. And I'm sure... Comedy is going to be unwell.

Okay, wait. So let's lay this out. I tweeted out the other day. I'm like, something, something Robert De Niro in the War with Grandpa. Because, like, there's no comedies. And, like, so many of the comedies, like, the John Stewart movie, have been terrible. Right. Really terrible.

Yeah. What else do we even have? That's actually a really... I mean, there's musicals. The prom's going to, like... The prom's definitely going to get nominated. Like, to the point where it could end up getting, like, Merrill and the teen girl. Everybody be ready to get mad that James Gordon is nominated.

There's, like, no way around it happening, you know, his performance is categorically offensive. I wonder if Gold Derby has predictions on that. Give me a second. I hate, like, defaulting to gold derby because it feels like, you know, cheating, but, uh, golden globe, Golden Globe. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see the John Stewart movie show up just because it's like Steve Carell. All right. So, On the Rocks, which you love and I really like as well. Yes, I love On the Rocks. Borat.

Palm Springs, which I love and you kind of like. I don't. Or you don't like it at all. Okay. I like Kristen Milotti in the movie, but I don't care for the movie. I'm not a Sandberg fan, but I think Andy Sandberg will absolutely be nominated. Here's the thing. I think Andy Sandberg's really funny, generally, and especially in this.

But I think Kristen Miliani is the one I'm writing for in that, for sure. They've got promising young woman categorized as a comedy, which eyebrow raise, but good for that film's chances. It does not mean comedy. No, but you know what? If it helps that movie get nominated, fine. Let Them All Talk, which is starting to get good reviews, the Soda Berg movie for HBO Max, which I am excited about. Is that going to be eligible? I don't understand.

Yes, it will be. It'll be eligible just like On the Rocks is eligible. Like On the Rock's got a... But On the Rocks was in theaters. Where? Here in my hometown. Oh, was it really? Well, anyway.

Yes, it was. I mean, I think it's all... Oscars said that if you premiere on, you know, streaming, but, you know, whatever, they changed that rule for this year. um french exit is uh listed as a possible comedy all right so let's go to actress going anywhere actress in a comedy or a musical we're really given the listeners what they want what they want right now okay michel fifer and french exit carry mulligan promising young women uh streep in the prom ania taylor joy and emma which i think is really cute rsida jones the uh breakthrough actress in the prom too probably uh yes um i can never remember her name but yes i'm telling y'all Well, Nicole Kippman is going to be a Globe nominee for the prom for 10 minutes of movie. Oh, I don't know, because right now it seems like they've got a lot of options. Kristen Miliani in Palm Springs.

Well, supporting. She'll be nominated and supporting. They don't do supporting in musical or comedy. I think there's enough. Yeah, but I think she'll still be nominated. You are. I think watch the prom be the Golden Globe nomination leader. I'm seeing nominations predictions for Millie Bobby Brown in a normal.

Lohombs in actress and comedy. I'm seeing predictions for Rachel McAdams in Eurovision. That would not be a bad nomination. That would be cool. Our darling friend, Matt Jacobs, has predicted Evan Rachel Wood and Cagillionaire, which would be interesting. That's quite possible. Even though I hate Miranda July's movies.

I think you're really going to like that movie. Joe Ellen Pelman is the name of the other actress in the prom, by the way. The younger actress in the prom. We deserve it over Merrill. All right. And now best actor in a musical or comedy because we have to give equal time because we are compelled by the law or something.

Okay. Bill Murray, obviously, on the rocks. Everybody's predicting him in supporting for the Oscars, but they're predicting him in lead for this. That makes sense. Sasha Baron Cohen for Borat. Doy, people love that movie. Apparently, I don't think I will see it.

I don't care. I am to Borat what you are to Andy Samberg, I think. No, you are more hostile towards that. Oh, boy. Here's a trio that you will absolutely. hate. Andy Sandberg for Palm Springs, Dev Patel for personal history of David Copperfield, and Pete Davidson for the King of Staten Island.

Yikes. Dev Patel is innocent in my dislike for that movie. I wouldn't be mad if he won the Globe for that movie. I wouldn't be mad if he did. I think Bill Murray or Sasha Baron Cohen is going to win the Globe. But I think Def Patel as a nominee is a good alternative there. I think he's great. I'm definitely seeing James Corden predicted.

I will be annoyed and pissed if Pete Davidson gets nominated for King of Staten Island. That will be the one that really annoys me. I feel like they're more likely to do something stupid like Robert De Niro in the war with Grandpa than that Judd Apatow movie that doesn't exist for an actor that no one likes. I think, okay, I'm going to dispute that because I don't like Pete Davidson and you don't like Pete Davidson, but clearly there is an apparatus out there that is dedicated to, to promoting and pushing Pete Davidson because he keeps getting good press

and, you know, people keep wanting to, like, support him. Did he do, like, interviews for that movie? Because, like, the Hollywood foreign press is super susceptible to, like, you know, you showed up to a junket. And I don't think he would do that. That's a good point. The other, the name I'm seeing that really, like, made me flip my lid is Keanu Reeves for Bill and Ted Face the Music.

Like, go with Jesus. Like, find, find religion. I don't know. Do something. Go outside. We can't. There's disease outside. Okay, so anyway, Golden Globe comedy, you're right, is going to be loony patuni for sure.

Okay. Anything else we want to say about suffragette because we are getting on in time. Far field. Like we said, it's not, I think it deserves less knives out for it. I was surprised to see the Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes scores for it, which is, like, middling. More middling than anything. But, like, I remember just, like, people trashing the movie.

So maybe it was just, like, a few of the key male critics were doing so. But, like, it deserves, I think, no ire in terms of quality. It's just, like, it's just, you know, it's almost there. Yeah, I agree. The only other note that I have that we touched on a little bit, but, like, honestly, truly, the scene where Merrill Streep as, once again

I keep forgetting her character's name, it is Pankhurst. I want to keep saying Parkinson, but that is not correct. Emmeline Pankhurst. You know one good thing that has gone away with COVID, that we can maybe celebrate that I don't, as far as I know

that it exists this year, the Hollywood Film Awards, also known as you have a publicist. film awards, which Carrie Mulligan did win actress of the year for Hollywood Film Awards were always, like, given out in the summer. Is that?

Movies that aren't even finished yet. Yeah, that's very, I always loop those in with like the Santa Barbara Film Festival and... Exactly. You know, whatever. Okay. But yeah, so the scene where Pankhurst is in

the carriage and we only see like the bottom of her face briefly and like we see her her hand sort of like reach out and whatever and she's very much shrouded and I'm just like oh this is just sort of like Meryl Streep arriving on set for real where it's just like everybody's whispering and like I think I saw her and and it's I mean like it is thoughtful casting too where it's like you cast the actress superstar in this role of like incredible figure well cast role even if putting her on the post is misleading as I'll get out.

But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Do we want to do, well, you're the host of this episode. You ask me if I want to do an IMDB. Joe, would you like to move into the IMDB? See, that's a very promposal way of you asking me.

And I accept your promos. No, the only promposal, I have to do a full musical number about promposals. Once I see the prom, it's over for you, Hoze, in which, by which I mean I will probably not want to talk about it but you will watch it and you will think it is fine because it is fine yeah okay good is is my darling um uh ariana debose how is aryano deba oh she's lovely she had my favorite song in it i'm so that i think is absolutely fine and not catchy i'm so sad for her because this was supposed to be her year because west side story was supposed to come out and she plays anita in west side story and i have loved her ever since so you think

You Think You Can Dance, and she was also in Bring It On on on Broadway, which I loved. And she was also in Hamilton, but, like, she's wonderful. And I love all my So You Think You Can Dance Children, and good for her. And any time that Netflix can give me in the same month, Ariana DeBose and Debbie Allen, I can't be mad at that. So, anyway. All my favorite songs in The Prom were hers. Oh, good.

Oh, that's wonderful. All right. Anyway, yes, I would like to play the IMDB game, to answer your question from a while ago. Cool, would you like to explain to our listeners, young and old, meek and bold, what the IMDB game is? Hey, listeners, every week we end our episodes with the IMDB game. What's the IMDB game, you ask? Well, it's a game where we challenge each other with an actor or actress to try and guess the top four titles that IMD says they are most known for. What if some of those titles are television?

and well, we tell the person up front. And if their voiceover, we do the exact same. We mention that because we are good and fair people. We're also people who like to have, shockingly, to what you might think from our episodes, we do like to have a fair amount of structure in our life. Yeah, pause for laughter, but yes. After two wrong guesses, we get the remaining titles release years as a clue. We love clues.

If that's not enough, it becomes a free-for-all of hints because we love free-for-alls. And that, dear listener, is the IMTV game. Cool. Joseph, would you like to give or guess first? Why don't I give first? Okay. So we talked briefly about Abby Morgan. I mentioned that one of the films that she wrote was the screenplay for the Invisible

Woman, the Ray Fines film The Invisible Woman. Oh, yes. The lead actress in The Invisible Woman is one Felicity Jones. So, Chris, give me that Felicity Jones. The aeronaut herself. Exactly. The woman who does belong in a balloon. Is my, wait, I got to check really quickly and see if my Twitter bio quote is still, I'm a really good astronaut.

Or aeronaut, I said astronaut, that's tough. Wait, all right, checking, checking. I'm a really good aeronaut is my goddamn Twitter bio. Maybe I should change that. Maybe not. No, never. Never. I'm always a very good idea.

You know, it's reaching the cycle where if someone saw that, it might not be funny, but a year from now, it might. It will be funny. Yeah. I would love to see the percentages of people who read my Twitter bio and get that it's a joke about the film The Aeronauts. I have to imagine if somebody is, A, following you on Twitter, be going to your profile, they're going to get the joke. All right.

Okay, Felicity Jones, Rogue One. Yes. Rogue One, which gets better and better in my memory every year, honestly. Like, I really... It's such a mess. You can tell that they redid everything. Oh, I think it's so good. It's good, but it's such a mess.

Oh, I love it. I love it. Like, I enjoy it. On the basis of sex. No. Sorry, RBG. May you rest, but on the basis of sex is not one of her known for. Poor Mimi leader.

Theory of Everything. Correct. Her Oscar nomination. Okay. Um, what could be next? Um, I mean, there's, she's relative, all of these are going to be relatively recent. So, I don't know if a monster, if people remember a monster calls. She was in one of those.

I saw a monster calls and I barely remember a monster calls is the problem. It was just okay. It was. That was a movie with a great trailer. Yes. I thought the movie was like disappointing. Right. Okay, fine.

A monster calls. No, sorry. Did I trick you into saying a monster calls? Because it is not a monster calls. Okay. Not a monster calls. That's two wrong guesses. What are my years?

Your years are 2011 and 2016. 2016 is the same year. Rogue 1, 2011 is further back enough that that tells me it's probably like crazy. Is it like crazy? It's like crazy. Her big kind of breakthrough, indie breakthrough. That movie that was a big deal at that Sundance and I watched it and I was like, what? Yeah, I didn't love it.

I didn't love it. Now it makes me sad because everything with Anton Yeltsin makes me sad. I know. May he rest. May he rest. What a wonderful actor. I know. Okay, 2016, same year as Rogue 1, which is also the same year as Monster Calls.

I'm just going to guess that it's the damn Da Vinci Code movie. Yeah, but what's it called? It's not called the damn Da Vinci Code, even though it should, because, yeah. Another goddamn Da Vinci Code. Two Da Vinci, Two Code. Yeah, it's not that either, because it's the third one, besides. Divin three. Yeah, Divin three code.

It's Inferno, of course. Sure. The poster. Look up the poster for Inferno, and, like, Marvel with me at very, how very much, like. Okay, let me look this up. Neither one of them were ever in a room with each other or their heads don't belong on those bodies. Like, it is an incredibly, um, photoshoppy. This is a direct-to-d-d-d-d-cover, which basically that movie should have been.

I cannot believe that Ron Howard did three of these fucking things. Yes, and it's a better film than Hillbilliology, probably. I mean, I'm still refusing to see it until the very last moment that I'm forced to. I haven't seen it either. I will probably see it before you because I am less constitutionally opposed to it. Yes, very well, though. Good job with Felicity Jones. Awesome. Cool. So for you, Joe, I went back to our initial Twitter tease for this movie, which was the cover of David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust album. Because there's a song on the album called Suffragette City.

Correct. For you, I have one, Mr. David Bowie. Oh. And are they all acting credits? Yes, they are. The Man Who Fell to Earth. The Man Who Fell to Earth, yes. Um, the Prestige?

Yes, the Prestige. Okay. Now it gets hard. Oh, wasn't there one where he played a Van. Empire. Am I wrong? Don't tell me. I mean, I know the movie that you're talking about. I'm not going to tell you what is going on. Oh, Labyrinth, though. Doi Labyrinth. Labyrinth. Yeah. My bel—labyrinth is—I know, like, everybody loves Labyrinth, but, like, Labyrinth truly was, like, one of the very earliest movies that I remember, like, being a fan of. It's not the first movie I ever

saw, but, like, I remember watching that movie for the first time at my cousin's house on a sleepover and being fascinated by so much... It's almost like you're homosexual. I know, it's crazy. Anyway, all right, so I'm three of four on Bowie. Is it... I could be thinking of a totally different person, but is he in the...

I am maybe giving you this so that you can get a perfect score. Is it the hunger? No. It's not the hunger. That is the vampire movie. That movie is hot as hell. And that's him, right?

It is him. It's a Tony Scott movie. Serendon and Deneuve. Right. he's only in the beginning of the movie I think oh okay but no that's not correct if I don't have to give you the year

this is a perfect No you see you are you are too lenient with that I do not get a perfect score He does not go four for four All right fine fine fine fine fine I am the stern dad In this regard And none of them are voices right

No I know it's not a rule I'm just going to throw it out there and you don't have to answer but are any of them cameos as himself I really don't know what you want me to say if you're trying to throw something out

I'm just talking out, I'm thinking out loud I'm thinking out loud You asked me a very direct question after you told me not to answer it I am as they say impossible Okay, is it the film where he plays Andy Warhol, which is, I believe, Basquiat? It is not Basquiat.

Your year is 2001. Okay. Is that the year that he played himself in Zoolander? It is Zoolander. It's Zoolander. Okay, all right. I was on the right track then. Don't give me shit for being on the right trip.

Zoolander. Yeah. I will say, I know everybody hated the Zoolander sequel. I did not see it. I in my memory still really love Zoolander, and I want to stay that way. I think it's really funny. I think it's really funny. I'm sorry, I do.

You can stay there by not seeing the sequel. Remember when we had a couple people show up for Zoolander to do on their IMDB game? Was it Kristen Wig was one of them, I think? I think Kristen Wig. I think Penelope Cruz. Wait, that's insane. No, it was that. It was something that bad.

I think maybe Benedict Cumberbatch. This would have been a while ago, so hopefully they have fallen off since. All right. I'm happy with my performance on that, even if I... Because that's a really... That's a limited set. That's a tough... I can't believe Zoolander's on is known for.

That's wild. All right. Anyway. All right. So, I think that's our episode. I think so. I think so. If you want more This Head Oscar Buzz,

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One. We will be doing Widows next week. I'm very excited. I'm very excited to talk about widows. We will do our best to make it not a three-hour episode. Well, one whole hour is going to be talking about Cynthia Ribeau running, so I don't know. I don't know, man.

Yep. Uh, maybe it'll have to be installments. There's the chapter on, uh, Cynthia's arm, uh, the chapter on the dog. Yes, Brian Tyree Henry with the dog. Uh, yes, yes, yes. Um, a chapter on how Elizabeth Tabicki is tall. Right. A chapter on how fucking amazing Daniel Kaluya is.

A chapter on Daniel, or Colin Farrell's Chicago accent. Yeah. A chapter on Robert Deval playing himself. Right, exactly. I can't wait. Joe, tell our lovely listeners where they can find more of you. Sure. I'm on Twitter at Joe Reed, where Reed is spelled R-E-I-D. I am also on letterboxed under Joe Reed.

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