This Had Oscar Buzz - 151 – Lucy in the Sky

Episode Date: June 28, 2021

We’ve got another long anticipated episode this week! In 2019, Natalie Portman teamed up with Fargo creator Noah Hawley to bring to the screen a highly fictionalized account of a NASA astronaut who suffered a psychotic break and stalked her lover and co-worker across the country. The more salacious details (namely the urban legend diaper that she … Continue reading "151 – Lucy in the Sky"

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Hello and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast that will trick you into eating Seal Flipper Pie. Every week on This Had Oscar Buzz, we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had Lofty Academy Award aspirations, but for some reason or another, it all went wrong. The Oscar hopes died, and we are here to perform the autopsy. I'm your host, Joe Reed. I'm here as always with my stringy blonde crisis wig, Chris File. Hello, Chris.

I love that I'm a disguise for you. A really shitty disguise. I did chuckle, not to just jump to the very end of the movie, but I did chuckle this time where it's like she ditches her like shitty trench coat and her shitty blonde shake and go and like thinks that she'll just be able to. to like run off like yes there are more than one upset looking white woman running through this parking garage at this very moment oh boy what a mess this movie was so did we see this is this another one that we saw together yes we did and we were none too pleased to do so we were like god we have to go fucking it was late tiff it was like second to last day it was first thing in the morning with like no competition against what else we would see. We were not, we did not have high expectations because other people

had already seen it. Okay, refresh my memory. Have the trailer for this movie come out before the festival started? The trailer came out for this movie at like the beginning of the year. Right. Right. So like... Because I think they timed it with like an episode of Fargo or something.

Anyway, it was out, the trailer was out for a very long time with no release plan. And people were like, Like, that's very strange. We have this full trailer. It looks kind of interesting. But, of course, the whole Fox Michigas, like, we had no idea when this movie was coming.

And I think by the time Toronto came, and then specifically when we saw how it was scheduled in Toronto. I was going to say, you talk all the time about those late in the week TIF premieres where, like, they will hide you until most of the press, who are not psychos like you and me who stay for the whole. thing. Like most of the press leaves by like Monday, Tuesday. I looked this up. It premiered on the following Wednesday. Yep. Yeah. I can't think of another one that premiered that late. Stonewall. Stonewall, I think, was like Thursday, Friday. Oh, see, I wasn't going at that point. Friday.

Like, that's when I saw it. Was a critic screening on Friday, which makes me feel like it premiered Thursday night. Wow. Yeah, it premiered for the public on Wednesday and for the press on Thursday. Yeah. Yeah. So that was a clue, definitely a clue, as to what we were expecting. And we were also, and we also just knew that, like, the variance was high. Like, the chances for it to be bad were kind of high. I think the bloom was a little bit off the Noah Hawley rose at this point. We can, we'll definitely talk about that. But, like, Natalie had sort of defied the expectations already with, Jackie where, like, a lot, like, there was, people were not, definitely not sure that Jackie was going to work. And, like, people who, there were people who saw Jackie and didn't think Jackie worked. It was pretty divisive. But, like, so I think there was a little bit of, like, glimmer of hope. But also, wait, was this the Vox Lux year or the year after Vox Lox? Year after Vox Lox. This was the John F. Donovan year, though.

No, John F. Donovan was at the same tiff. Was it as Vox Lox? Okay. Okay. Yeah, Natalie and Toronto has had a real interesting go of it, truly, like, highs and lows, but... A previous episode anywhere, but here, world premiered there, right? I believe that's, I believe that's right. I want to look up Black Swan really quickly, because I feel like that was definitely, like, a festival movie. I'm not sure what was the, whatever, well, that was a Venice movie, right? Didn't that, like, have a big... No, I'm pretty sure that was a...

Toronto. That was like a Toronto gala. I remember all this crap already, but then when we do an episode on something, it will truly never leave my mind. Yeah, all right, let's see. Black Schwan. Venice premiere, then

Telluride, then Toronto. So, like, it did, like, the whole run. But it was September 1st, 2010 at Venice. Because I feel like it, like, won something at Venice that year maybe or something. I don't know. Black Swan, it won

Mila Coon Hiscata, like, Young Star Prize. That's right. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Best Young Actor or Actress. The Marcello Mostriani Award. Yes.

Yeah. Anyway, Natalie Portman, we love her. It is our sixth Natalie Portman movie. We will be doing a little bit of a quiz in a little bit to commemorate our sixth Natalie Portman film. We're dipping back into the 2019 waters for the first time since Katzisode.

We felt it was necessary. I've been dying to do this episode. To talk about Lucy in the Sky with diapers. I mean, we've called it Lucy in the Sky with diapers for a very good reason. It is based on sort of, like, you know, it's not the true, the terrifying true story, But it is inspired by a NASA astronaut named Lisa Noak, who, among other things, was arrested for stalking somebody, and she had driven for like 32 hours or whatever with a weapon in the car and had like strapped on a pair of adult diaper so that she wouldn't have to stop.

which there is some refuting of that she has apparently since claimed that that has never happened even though it's in the police report right yes and for the five of you who saw the not very good movie Rough Night you have seen it documented in that film

and lampooned in that not good movie right that one I had more fun with the Museum of Sky I will say I had some fun with Lucy in the Sky. But yeah. If you had to guess the line, all that astronaut dick is making you soft, if you had to guess if it was in Rough Night or Lucy in the Sky, I don't think you would have guessed that it was in Lucy in the Sky. The thing that I had forgotten about all that astronaut dick has made you soft is that not only does Academy Award winner Ellen Burstyn, old Murf herself, say that.

line, but it's the ghost of Ellen Burstyn's character who says that line. Like, it is even better than I had remembered. Like, it's, it's literally just like from beyond the grave to go and impart this message about Astronautic to Natalie Portman. That's quite the line. The, we, we, what I'm saying is, we nominated the wrong legendary actress for playing an unhinged grandma in a movie is what I will say we missed that boat we should have done it for Ellen Burstyn in losing the sky um yeah this was worse the second time is what I will say well okay I feel like you can see I kind of feel like this movie is not as bad

as its reputation but also in saying that there's like not much good I can say a it but like the problem yeah the problem is there's not like the good stuff is all sort of like in spite of the actual filmmaking i think the filmmaking is pretty like embarrassing embarrassing and amateurish at times and like no holly doesn't have anything to say the good things are and i also think natalie's performance is not a really good performance like i feel like i feel bad that we keep like choosing the movies where it's just like natalie's not at her best um we did anywhere but here that's true she's great in that And actually, I really do like her in Other Boland Girl.

But I'm thinking about Goia, and I'm thinking about Death and Life of John F. Donovan, and now I'm thinking about this one. This movie, she's kind of doing... In Other Bolein Girl, all that astronaut dick made her be sotted. All that Tudor dick made her besotted. Yeah. Also, Ellen Burstyn's ghost says that in that movie. It's really strange.

Yeah. What was I going to say? It sounds like she's doing her best Holly Hunter impersonation with this accent. And I know sometimes they focus too much on accents, but, like, it's very distracting. And it's very... Natalie doesn't mind if you focus on an accent, I'm sure, because she likes to... She likes to go in on an accent, a dialect. She, uh, it's, it's becoming a calling card for her.

Yeah, this is not a good idea. And it's, uh, we love the high wire act. We feel like we are on it with her. Yeah. Um, sometimes plummeting to, to our death. Um, sometimes, yes. Sometimes flying high in the sky Yeah

With tigers So yeah This movie had the unfortunate timing Of coming out In the same general area As the 20th Century Fox Sail to Disney And so

This What were the other movies That sort of got lost in that shuffle? Well Widows was kind of like The first one where you could tell that after the Disney buyover They weren't going to really put

any effort into the Fox, the 20th Century Fox or the Fox Searchlight movies. This is like, Searchlight was left kind of independent on their own in the previous season. So you have like the favorite still running on the Fox Searchlight people. This is the Fox Searchlight year where Disney is taking over a little bit more. And really the only one of those movies they put an effort behind is Jojo Rabbit. Because they had this and they also had Terrence Malix A Hidden Life, which is really great. But, yeah, like, this one you could tell from when, I mean, not right when that trailer premiered. And I think people knew about the movie when the trailer came out of, like, you know, diaper astronaut that we've called it.

Yes. Yeah, once you knew the story that it was based on, and people were sort of aware, aware of it at the time. Because, like, this movie was in production for a bit, was in the works for a while. It was called Pale Blue Dot. it was being produced by Reese Witherspoon that she, I think, as with most things that Reese Witherspoon produces at some point, somebody decides that she's going to star in it. And whether that's, you know, an actual plan or whether that's something that we all assume that was going to happen at some point.

And then, you know, she's just producing it and probably better for her that she didn't. I don't think, I don't think this is the kind of movie where I'm like, oh, what if like the Reese Witherspoon version of this one could have been more interesting. I think the problems with this are on the page and behind the camera. Yeah, the only version of this movie that could be interesting is the not-know-hawley version of this movie. Right, exactly. That's where the problem is. You really, really needed...

Even if you think she's bad, I still don't think, you know, the failure of this movie is her fault. So many directors that Natalie herself had worked with previously would have been actually amazing. to direct this movie, right? Like, once you got Natalie on board, you could have, like, quietly sort of, like, iced out Noah Hawley and brought in, I mean, literally, any, Darren Aronofsky, Pablo Lorraine,

who are some other... Brady Corbett, even. Honestly, Brady Corbett, yes. Honestly, true. Now I'm going through her sort of filmography. I mean, even someone like Wayne Wang. I'm going to keep bringing up anywhere but here this episode.

Do it. Even someone like Wayne, Wang. has like a good sense of female characters and like finding the nuance of like a central character in an interesting way that this movie never does in its two-hour runtime. Yeah. She could have gotten Zach Brath,

her old Garden State director, to direct Lucy in the Sky. Not Zach Braff's Lucy in the Sky. It would have been better, is what I'll say. She's got a lot of directors who are not. longer alive. That's kind of a bummer. Oh, no. Mike Nichols. Obviously.

Ted Demi. Anthony Mangela. Well, that's a bummer. I really bummed us out here. Who directed her Paris Chitem segment? Oh, that's a good question. I forget. Honestly, get Luke Besson. Wow. Honestly, get Tom Tickver. Wow. Honestly, get Tom Tickfer.

Like, that's... And Luke Bissan. And together. Together again. together um yeah any anything would have word get wankar why her uh her um my blueberry blueberry knight's director anyway yes uh noah holly is somebody who should we wait till after we do the plot description to get into the noah holly of it yeah we can we can we can it's a longer conversation all right um but yeah just to set this up i've been wanting to do i feel like i've been sort of pushing this on you for a little bit we're just like we got to do lucy in the sky um This movie that we both saw together and did not care for.

But it's, it definitely was the kind of movie where people were like, but on paper, because, like, there was a moment where Noah Hawley was kind of a darling. And Natalie's at a really interesting part in her career coming off of the Jackie nomination. And, like, you know, it sounds like it's an interesting story in the potential of it, right? This, like, female astronaut who goes over the edge. like boom into it absolutely and this one it's not like a voxlux thing which i don't want to say too much about fox luxx because we're going to do it at some point we'll actually do an episode on it but like vox lux was the type of thing that it was like oh the second we saw it because we didn't really know what it actually was until we saw it and then it was like no that's

not that's not a thing that's not happening but like this isn't that far a field of something that could or has happened yeah right exactly And he sort of, the approach that they take with this movie is actually really character-focused, right? Like, it doesn't, like, the plot of what happens at the end of the movie, like, things lead up to that. But the movie isn't really about the, you know, the harrowing cross-country journey to go spray bug spray at John Hamm. Like, it's not even, like, you could have seen a version of a movie where, like, there's a frame story. And, like, literally, she's, like, driving down and unhinged, and you're sort of. of like you see the rest of the story in flashback or whatever it's not that most of the story

is a character study about this woman who goes to space and can't handle it coming back and like that's a cool approach if you don't make it embarrassing when you do it and just like and where like your only real contribution is just like sometimes the frame is square because her life is square and sometimes it's moving around and sometimes it's really narrow and sometimes it's like a one-to-one aspect ratio. My favorite thing about the aspect ratio Olympics in this is that, like, you sort of, he sets the rules at the beginning mostly that like it's one to one when she's in her drab little square box life, right? And every time we see her in space or she's sort of like her, she's like emotionally sort of back in that space, we get widescreen. Except for the one establishing shot of the golf course by Mama's house or whatever. And it's just like, why does the golf course get to be in widescreen? like glorious widescreen? Is that like Ellen Burstyn's happy place in this like film? There's a test shot.

Yeah, right, exactly. I was just like, it just felt very amateurish. Well, and then there's like that whole levitation sequence where it's like it equates where it's like they keep moving them around to like it's shifting across the screen where it's like it equates liftoff with him going down on her. Right. That's the worst part of the movie. It's the opposites. It's the opposites of it. He's going down and she's floating up.

all right so yikes we're going to set the stage for this and i'm going to make chris tell the plot of this this bad movie all right we are talking about uh the former film formerly knows pale blue dot 2019's lucy in the sky directed by noah holly written by brian c brown eliot de juseppe and noah holly starring natalie portman john ham zizi beats ellen birsten dan stevens pearl Amanda Dixon, Nick Offerman, Jeffrey Donovan, Jeffrey Donovan's nerd glasses, Coleman Domingo. It premiered on September 11th, 2019 at the Toronto International Film Festival, and then opened limited and stayed limited on October 4th, 2019. Would you, Chris, like me to tee you up for a 60-second plot description? Hey, you know what? Why not? All right, let's do this. What's one of

like countdown phrases. Oh, God. I feel like I couldn't do her voice. Just do your best Holly Hunter. Just do your best Sarah Paulson doing Holly Hunter. Well, if I'm going to do my Holly Hunter, it's going to be out of the head of my mouth. I mean, that's basically kind of what she's doing. It's so weird. No, she's not.

She's just kind of making a very small... She's almost doing her best Hillary Swank. Hillary Swank on three packs of cigarettes. Listeners, chime in with who you think Natalie Portman is modeling her accent and Lucy in the Sky after, because now you have to go and watch Lucy in the Sky, because we told you to.

All right, Chris, one minute. It's currently on the clock. Are you ready for Lucy in the Sky? All signals or go. All right. And begin. All right. We're following Lucy Cola.

She's returning from space. She is a NASA astronaut struggling to adjust. She is married to a very boring Dan Stevens, and she very quickly gets into an affair with a fellow astronaut played by John Hamm, who. He's kind of somewhat of an alcoholic, and then that ends up cooling. And it turns out he is actually starting a relationship with a fellow astronaut named Aaron, played by Zazy Beats. Anyway, all the time, Lucy is kind of slowly starting to show signs of unraveling. She's stopping going to therapy.

She almost drowns in a test mission. Anyway, she gets taken off of the next flight mission, and that's what really sets her off. She's not going to be back in space for another three years. She ends up crossing state lines in a disguise, not a diaper. we don't see it, to stalk her, to stalk John Hammond's AC Beats, and then she kind of assaults him with

bug spray and then gets arrested and then goes and lives on a bee farm. She does. Finds peace, I guess. I guess. Takes her little mask off and goes unencumbered among the bees, and the screen is

as wide as he please. Yeah, good job. Time's up. Okay, so where to begin? to begin with this dumb version of this potentially interesting story. There's a lot of extraneous stuff that doesn't add anything to the movie. So it just feels like it's giving you the same note, the same observation, the same aesthetics over and over for two hours. I feel like if this movie was 90 minutes long and cut a lot of the extraneous stuff in this movie, it would

at least be serviceable. Yeah. I don't think it would be interesting. No. But it wouldn't be such a boring slog, you know? It's a very, it, it's, you feel every minute of the two hours and four minutes that you're watching this film. And so, okay.

Things happen that I like missed in there, like her grandmother dies and that factors into it. But like, there's no levels to it. It's not like, it doesn't feel like it's building to a certain level of psychosis or building to a certain amount of stress or dissociation throughout the movie. It's just like, these things happen. You can't really tell which is as impactful and which isn't. Right.

Your only little roadmap is the dumb little aspect ratio thing. So in your plot description, you made a point of mentioning that Dan Stevens is very boring. And like, yes, true. Except for the fact that I would do. for boring Dan Stevens in this movie. Like, he's so, because it's like, it's a very benign. He's so very decent.

He's like, he's, you know, he's a square. He's, you know, he's, again, not to like, you know, reference the aspect I shows, but he's, you know, he's a square. And here's the other thing is that, like, fucking John Ham's character is just as fucking boring. It's just from this, like, opposite end of it. And he's like, yeah, he's like an astronaut. But he, like, he's like the most typical, like, oh, I'm not.

going to flirt by, like, showing you how to bowl and whatever. He's just, like, constantly carrying around a six-pack, so it's like, you know, pretty much all you know about this character. Yeah. The only time you're given any bit of, like, interest, like, why is he doing that about that character is easily five minutes you can cut out where he's just sitting at home, drinking, watching the challenger explosion, over and over. And rewinding it and watching it again.

And we don't care. Why are we being asked to care? about him, like, watch it. Like, I feel like the Challenger explosion is in there because there's not enough space stuff in this movie. I got like a studio note that there's not enough NASA in the movie or something. Which it really

isn't. Like, it's categorized on IMDB as a science fiction movie. It is not. It's not, it's barely even a space movie. No, well this is somebody made that observation on the internet one day and it kind of blew my mind about like not everything that happens, that not every movie that takes place in space is science

fiction, stuff has happened in space. And I'm just like, oh, yeah, like, we're so conditioned to be like, you know, space, the final frontier and all of this stuff. And it's just like, no, like, gravity isn't science fiction. Apollo 13 is quite literally not science fiction. Right, right. Like, gravity is a fictional story of something that never happened, but it fully is within the realm of everything that we know is possible right now. And it's just like, okay. My John Hamm thing that I think I've mentioned on this podcast before, and it does not make me very popular.

But I'm just going to say it again, I don't think he's ever been good in a movie. So this movie Not even Bridesmaids Bridesmaids is the closest he comes And if I'm going to give you bridesmaids, fine If he's in a small supporting role In a comedy Fine

But like every time they try and put him in a drama It's just It's a flop He's just a flop And it's like in this movie It's like it's true in this It's true in Richard Jule It's true in bad times at the El Royale

It's true in fucking baby driver and the town and I mean, name a movie. Most of the time he's getting cast as an asshole or like basic authoritarian male. Sure, but like other actors have done well in parts of that before. Yeah, he can't be an interesting bureaucrat

the way that like Stanley Tucci is an interesting bureaucrat. But like, we've given him so many chances. Like I like, I, my kingdom for somebody to point me to a movie that he's great in. I will even give you. you like give you know but like oh my god it's so frustrating and because he looks like he does and because he was so great on madman which he was he's great on madman i'm not taking you know any kind of you know i'm not insane i'm not an insane person but like name a move like find me a movie that he's great in you can't do it you can't do it i think he's at least a little

bit more believably cast in this movie like you could imagine an unwell person having an affair with him because, like... Yes, I think this is... Not to put too gross of words on it, but he probably knows what he's doing. That, but that is why he keeps getting cast. He keeps getting cast as people who could plausibly fuck your brains out.

Like, that is John Hamm, right? Like, that sort of... Listen, if we would have our own typecasts, I think we wouldn't do that well. Ben Affleck is making... We would be blessed to be our typecast be a person who will fuck your brains out. Here's the question.

Ben Affleck is sitting down to make the town. Ben Affleck has, after taking a grand total of one movie where he's directing it and not starring in it, and it's too much for Ben Affleck, so he decides he's got a star in the town. And so Ben Affleck then has to find, it has a conundrum, which is, I am the romantic lead of the town in as much as there is Rebecca Hall, who has a romantic storyline with Ben Affleck's character. I need to find somebody who could plausibly draw Rebecca Hall away from me. A Herkulean task, because I am Ben Affleck, and I find my... myself to be wildly irresistible. So who can I bring in? I have to bring in fucking

dick-swinging John Hamm to be like most like handsome person from television to be the only person who could like like turn Rebecca Hall's like eye away. It's like that's that's the brief when John Hamm gets hired and like that's why he keeps getting hired. And like I just make that make that person interesting. Do it once. I really want it to happen. And You're right about bridesmaids. I will give you bridesmaids. But, like, it's a whole different assignment there. And I think...

Well, it's a different assignment because, like, it is a self-aware of, like, that is what his type of thing. Like, he's very funny on Saturday Night Live, and he's very funny on 30 Rock. And I think people like Kristen Wigg and Tina Faye know how to... It's like what Kristen Wigg did with Jamie Dornan and Barb and Star, right? Like, she's just, like, she's smart about that kind of shit. And I think in bridesmaids, they use him absolutely perfectly. And if those are the roles that he keeps getting cast in, do that, Hollywood. Like, keep casting him in that.

Stop putting him in dramas where you need somebody to make this character interesting, because maybe there's deficiencies on the page, and he's not the guy who's going to make up for it. Like, I will die on that hell. No, I think you're on to something here. you could conceivably imagine someone who at least brings some more dimension to this character, because I don't really think he brings any whatsoever. No, none. Absolutely none.

He's going to be... To the point where it's like, why is Zazy Beetz fucking him? I kind of get why Lucy is. Right. Zazey Beetz is way too good for him. You are young and vibrant, hon. Like, you are just an entirely in a different league, this guy. By the way, before we get off of the John Hamm subject, he's going to...

to be next in Top Gun Maverick, where his character's name is, where his character's name is Vice Admiral Cyclone. Get the actual fuck out of here, Top Gun Maverick. You're stupid. I have had several friends ask me, oh, will you be excited for Top Gun? No. No. No. No, I won't be. I'm sorry. I don't like Top Gun. No, I don't. Sorry. I'm probably making somebody mad, but... Whatever. The Top Gun people are fine. They'll be fine. No. The cast on that movie is way, it's like way more than that movie deserves. No, but it's like, it's way better than it deserves. Like, Glenn Powell is great. Like,

Ed Harris is in that movie. Jennifer Connelly, eternally deserves better. Mani Jacinto's in that movie in a small role and it's just like, God bless, like, that gorgeous man and like put him in something better. I know a billion people are going to see this movie and we're going to have egg on our face and whatever, but like, I still think it looks stupid. I just talk about it either. Yeah. Anyway, Zazi Beets... Anyway. This was sort of the time period where people just started casting Zazy Beats and whatever. It was just...

Zazy Beets accursed 2019. Yeah. Because it's this Joker. And what's the other one? Seaberg. That I also think was at Tiff? Seaberg. Oh.

Yeah. No one saw Seaberg. Right. But so she's in Atlanta in... What year is Atlanta? 2016 it premieres and she sort of gets put on the map for that and they

people start sort of casting her in things I remember I was talking to somebody over the weekend because I said I was we were doing this movie and so we got to talk about ZZEBEats and I talked about how I saw Geostorm in 4DX this is the only reason I saw Geostorm in a theater is because my friend Patrick and I wanted to go see it in 4DX

and we did and it was a jostling time like I felt more just like sometimes 4DX Aggressed Sometimes 4DX works I've only seen a few times So like I saw the Meg in 4DX And it was like

We were all on the same page And we were all moving in sync 4DX for Geostorm I just felt I kept getting like jostled To the point where I was like sliding out of my seat I was just like I don't need this

You're just literally just like shaking me loose From the seat like But Zizi Beats My one like positive Takeaway from Geostorm I was like Zizi beats is a star And you know

we will eventually, you know, find the right thing for her. I am not a Deadpool person, and I don't believe you are either. She was in Deadpool, too. No, absolutely not. Like, good for her, get that money. She was in, oh, God, she was in a movie that is now far more cursed than it was before. It might have been direct to Hulu, a movie called Wounds that, uh... Oh, yeah.

That was the Bucn movie that nobody liked. Starring, um, everybody's famous, favorite, uh, cannibal, Army Hammer, and a fully wasted Dakota Johnson. Like, that movie just, like, fully has Dakota Johnson and Zazy Beats and does not know what to do with either one of them. It's actually not that bad of a movie, but, like, it's junk. She's a high-flying bird, the Soderberg movie. Sorry, did you see wounds?

Did you have anything to say about wounds before I moved on? I have nothing to say about wounds. I was going to posit, what would Lucy in the sky be like in 4DX? It would be like you're just constantly being lift up and drop down. You'd get that. A bug spray right to the face, though. Like, you get that full face of bug spray at the end when she... John Hamm goes down on you.

Oh, okay. That's the full 4DX experience. Exactly. And the changing aspect ratio of your seat. Yeah, you can smell the cigarettes on Ellen Burstyn. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah. Stacey Beats, though, she has a movie that's finally coming out that played Sundance a whole year and a half ago.

that I've seen with Winston Duke called Nine Days. Oh. That's a cool movie. I've heard good things about that. Yes. I have heard good things. It's her Winston Duke. I feel like you will like that movie.

Cool. And that's coming out finally. Yes. Nice. In like a month. And she is in a movie that I talked about when I was on the Little Gold Men podcast when we were previewing 2021 that I'm very interested, which is the all-black Western, the harder they fall. where she's cast along with Jonathan Majors, Idris Elba, Delroy Lindo, Regina King, Lekeith Stanfield.

It's just insane cast, cinematography by Sean Bobbitt, and directed by James Samuel. And it seems pretty cool. And I'm looking forward to it. It is a Netflix movie. So, you know, temporary expectations, I suppose. But, like, I'm very, very into what this movie ends up being. Same.

Excited for Zizi Beats for that. Yeah, so she doesn't get a ton to do in this movie, but I like her whenever she's on screen. She plays that last scene with Portman at, like, Natalie's bug sprays John Hamm, and then she, you think for a second, you're worried for Zazy Beats. Because at that point, she's the only good person besides the niece. She's the only sort of good person in the movie. The useless niece. That poor niece. Like, she really gets taken for a ride, literally, in that film.

Serves so little purpose in the movie that I spent most of the movie the first time I watched it wondering Okay, so she's going to be an imaginary friend in somewhere Right, she's Delilah to Natalie Portman's Eve Or was it the other way around? Because there's no other purpose she serves And especially if this is a fictionalized version of someone's life

It's very funny that they go that whole real intricate backstory where she's Natalie's brother's daughter and there's all this stuff about like Natalie's brother is irresponsible and she had to end up raising him even though she was the younger sister and yada yada yada and we never meet him and it never really comes of anything and i yeah i'm always very puzzled that feels like something you would put in there if you were making a tv show and then like well next season we'll bring the brother on and we'll sort of like seed that but like that's not what's happening here and i don't know i mean i guess she can gets to read a poem at the end of the movie and Dan Stevens smiles at it. So it's like

not everybody's life has screwed up by this. Right. Well, she's like, she's got her head on straight during that. She's the only person who's like, she's probably the reason why John Hamm is alive at the end of that movie because she takes the gun out of Natalie's purse and hides it in her own bag. But I think, as I was saying about just to close the loop on Zazi, she plays that scene well where Natalie sort of turns to her and instead of, assaulting her sort of like plays solidarity with her and just like we have to stick together we get we can't you know get taken in by these men who are going to take us for granted and and I think is trying I mean again here's where the psychology of the story sort of feels very

haphazard I think don't think the movie for as much as it focuses so intently on like Natalie's like psyche in this film doesn't really know entirely like what like Like, what is this Zazy Beetz character her? Does she see herself in her? Is she, and it's, and it's, there's a lot of sort of haphazardness about, and obviously we're talking about a woman with a very erratic sort of state of mind by the end of this movie. But that's, it's an odd scene that I think Zazy Beats plays very well. So, good for her.

Yeah, I agree. Good for her. We're sort of working from the bottom up from the cast here. Do we have anything really to say about Coleman Domingo or Nick Offerman or Tignitaro, who shows up at the bowling alley uh for not really though i am always happy to see coleman domingo who's probably like the best performance in this movie with like two scenes being like her nassar director right um Ellen burston is just very weird and is just kind of there to be crass i mean we've seen this kind of performance from Ellen burston it's like sometimes i feel

like sometimes it's basically her performance from wiener dog just without sunglasses I've not seen Wiener Dog, so I will trust you on that, but I'm into that comparison. She's like vulgar granny, right? Again, she's just sort of like, she's sitting on her porch. She's smoking right next to her oxygen tank, so she's like, you know, devil may care or whatever. She's staring at that widescreen golf course for all it's worth. And she's there to kind of, I guess, to show sort of the same. stock that Lucy comes from a little bit in this movie. She's this very sort of tough lady

with kind of high expectations for Lucy. And that's, I guess, the story reason why she's there. And then also so that she dies and sort of sends Natalie off the deep end because that's the last person who she really felt understood her. And her death sends her into a literal Lucy in the sky with diamonds, like music video. It becomes the thank you video. Truly. Where it's like fast streets. It's ray of light behind Natalie Portman.

And she just like floats into that. That was an effect that was in a lot of music videos. Ray of light is the right comparison. But like there's a lot. Like that was a very, very oft used music video trope that I miss the days of music videos. I miss the days of like subway trains moving quickly behind. Somebody or whatever, right? You miss the Zephyr in the sky at night.

I do. Well, I think we all do. I mean, come on. So, all right. Natalie Portman, this is our sixth Natalie Portman movie. Our previous ones were, our very first one was, no, I don't have the thing in front of me. But I think the very first one was Brothers, right? No, anywhere but here, I think came before Brothers.

Yeah, that was very early. It was. Yeah, it was like very early. Hold on. Yeah, our 24th film. Then Brothers, then we didn't have any Natalie for a while, and then we went on another sort of like mini-binge where we covered Goya's Ghosts at long last,

the death and life of John F. Donovan, and the other Berlin Girl, most recently. And now Lucy in the Sky, so that makes six. So if you have been listening to us, you know that when we cover an actor or actress for the sixth time, we make a big old fuss, we throw a dinner in their honor we invite them and all their

closest friends and family we all go to karaoke after it's like a tradition that has like long-standed I think we all remember the year that Merrill Streep sang the thong song at six-timers karaoke it was great but what we also do is I

write a little quiz for Chris here and see how much he knows about these six Natalie Portman films that we have covered on here. Did you miss anything? No, that's what we do here. That's what we do, right? That's what we do. Can we repeat the titles for our listeners and for myself?

Yes. We have. We have anywhere but here. Brothers, Goya's Ghosts, the death and life of John F. Donovan, the other Berlin Girl, and Lucy in the Sky with diapers. Is that only five?

No, that's six. What do you have? Goya, Donovan, brothers, Baleen, anywhere but here, Bilan. Yeah, that's six. That's six. All right. So, we're going to start off pretty simple.

Which of those six films is the longest? Oh, is it Lucy? No, it is Lucy in the sky. It is Lucy in the sky by one minute. It is 124 minutes, losing in the sky. The Death and Life of John F. Donovan is 123 minutes. Oh, I thought it was shorter than that. Never mind.

Which is the shortest of the six? Brothers. Brothers is like 90 minutes, right? 105, but yes, Brothers is the shortest. Very good. Which film features a screenplay by a two-time Academy Award-winning screenwriter? Two-time win. for screenplay.

Is it anywhere but here? No, it's, um, no, it is anywhere but here because Jim Sheridan is brothers, and I don't think he's won twice. No, you're right. It is anywhere but here. It is a screenplay. It was, uh, screenplay was written by Alvin Sargent, who has two Oscars for writing, uh, being, or I'm sorry, uh, ordinary people and Julia, not being Julia, but, uh, just Julia. the good movies

Jane Fonda and Jason Roberts film yes okay next question which film features a screenplay by a two-time

Oscar nominated screenwriter that is brothers no and I'm just going to make sure because you did mention the Jim Sheridan thing and I want to make sure

Maybe he didn't write it otherwise is it other Berlin girl it is the other Berlin girl Who is the screenwriter? Yeah, the screenplay on Brothers is David Benioff. It is not Jim Sheridan. Oh, not a two-time nominee.

Yes. So who wrote The Other Bull and Girl? Who did the adaptation? Tom Stoppard? No, wouldn't that be amazing, though, if it was? But it's a Brit. It is a Brit. Whomst is it?

Who was nominated for adapted screenplay, I want to say twice? No, original screenplay wants an adapted screenplay for the queen and frost nixon is it lee hall no no it's peter morgan it's peter morgan yes oh boy yes okay uh no lee hall was the guy who did uh the cats screenplay when we did our judy dench quiz last week okay which is the only film where natalie portman doesn't co-star with a best actress nominee um brothers no who's the best actress nom i'm mayor winningham's in that movie but she's a supporting nominee. She's a supporting nominee. Yeah. Who's the other actress?

Oh, Carrie Mulligan is in that movie. Obviously not anywhere but here. It's not the death and life of John F. Donovan because Susan Sarindon's in that too. Oh, it's this. It's Lucy in the Sky. No. Oh, Ellen Burstyn. Duh. Okay. It's not the other.

Balin girl. It's not anywhere but here. It is Goya's Ghost. Right, because she's the only woman. Right. She stars opposite herself. Maybe that counts. That's true. Okay. Which are the two films where she stars opposite two

Best Actress nominees? Um, other Berlin Girl. Right. Who? Scarlet Johansen, Chris and Scott Thomas. Correct. and death and life of Jonathan, Sarendon, and Kathy Bates. Very good.

I almost said that was a three-bagger, but I'm not counting Jessica Chesding. Yeah. Unfortunately. Okay. Of which film did Roger Ebert say it was, quote, an extraordinarily beautiful film? Oh, boy. Is it extraordinarily beautiful? I really hope it's not Goya's ghost.

Is it Goya's Ghost? Goya's Ghosts. Oh, Raj, buddy, no. Uh-huh. He called it an extraordinarily beautiful film en route to a fresh reading. Of which film did Richard Roper say was wrong, wrong, wrong every step of the way? Death and Life of John F. Donovan? No.

Lucy in the sky. No. Damn. Goya's ghosts. Goya's ghosts. A trick question. Thank you for that. All right. Which was the lowest rated on Rotten Tomatoes?

Death and Life of John F. Donovan. Correct, at 20%. Which two were tied for the highest rating on Rotten Tomatoes? Ooh. Anywhere but here? Correct. And brothers? Correct.

Very good. which film has a score by Thomas Newman? Anywhere but here? No. Oh. I'm pretty sure De Pla is the score in Berlin. Is it Brothers? It's Brothers.

Yes. Brothers with a score by Thomas Newman. Which film has cinematography by Roger Deacons? Brothers. No. Oh, anywhere but here. Anywhere but here. Yes.

Yeah. Which film was a teen choice award nominee? The other Berlin girl. The other Berlin girl for? Scarlet Johansson. Scarlet Johansson. Yes. Yes.

Which film was released during Scorpio season? So that would be late October. That's not brothers. That's not. This. It's not Goya's Ghosts. Is it anywhere but here? Anywhere but here, November 14th. All right. Which film's tagline is, tell me what the truth is. The Death and Life of John F. Donovan?

No. Brothers? No. The tagline for brothers is, Mommy has sex with Uncle Tommy all the time. This fall Mommy has sex with Uncle Tommy all the time Um, okay, uh, it's not anywhere but here. That doesn't make any sense.

It, is it for some weird reason? Goya's Ghosts? It's Goya's Ghosts. Yeah. It's the Inquisition baby. It's the Inquisition baby. Tell me what the truth is. Um, all right.

Final question. Which film co-stars someone. who won an Emmy Award for Acting for an HBO series in 2018. Somebody won an Emmy Award for Acting in 2018. Yes. And you said it was HBO. Yes.

It's a lot of factors. Is it... Is it the death and life of John F. Donovan, since the cast is so huge? Oh, it's Tandhiway Newton. It is Tandui Newton for the death and life John F. Donovan. You got that a lot quicker than I thought you would. Yeah, she won an Emmy

for Westworld in 2018. She's one of the better performances in that movie. Yeah. Yeah. No, I just didn't know if you would A, remember her being in that, and B, remember that she won an Emmy for Westworld. Good job with the Natalie quiz. You too, such a good job with these quizzes. I'm very happy with you. My brain

is nothing, if not a storage bin, for useless shit. All right, should we do the Noah-Hawley discussion? Mr. Holly. I'd never have watched Fargo. Should I? I mean, I say no.

I thought the first season was fine. I thought the first season was good. It was like one of those shows that like kept getting like initially, now it feels like nobody watches it, but like got so much attention and so much like buzz around it and then you actually talked to a human person and no one likes it. Oh, I've talked to a bunch of people who've liked Fargo. I know people like the Kirst and Dunst stuff. The first season of Fargo hit just as the limited series kick was really ramping up. American Horror Story kind of reformulated the way we thought about miniseries. And we like a, you know, sort of essentially birthed this trend of limited series that could be,

that were different than just like we're adapting a novel in six parts or whatever. Like the miniseries used to be like Angels in America or like The Stand or stuff like that. Anyway, Fargo also sort of was at the right point where like movie stars are doing TV series now. So it was Billy Bob Thornton giving this like great performance as this kind of like psycho. The callbacks to the movie were kind of not a big part of the show. But I think it was one of those things where people kept expecting it to like really like, can. connect to the movie, and it only does a little bit, but in kind of a clever way. It's not a bad season.

Alison Tolman's quite good in it, even though she does play a character who is a police officer whose last name is Salverson, which is just funny. She's going to solve that case. Colin Hanks is in it, Martin Freeman's in it, it's really good. Second season comes around. The cast is also fantastic. It's got like this tenuous connection to the first season and that Patrick Wilson is playing the father of Alison Tolman's character.

This is like a whatever, it takes place several decades earlier. Kirsten Dunst is in it. Jesse Plymins is in it. This was the show where they sort of got together. Patrick Wilson, as they said, Gene Smart is in it playing like, essentially like a leader of an organized crime family. Ted Danson's in it. Cass is fantastic.

The problem that I had with the second season was, very early on, we get to a point where Kirsten Dunst's character and Jesse Plemans' character sort of get embroiled in a, they kill somebody accidentally, and rather than doing the thing that everybody in a movie should do, which is just call the cops, just like, say you killed somebody accidentally, like, whatever. instead, no, the entire storyline is going to be. They fully go. I know what you did last summer. They like, they have to hide the body now and they have to whatever. And it's just like I've seen this so many times. I was so weary of like another like ordinary people become criminals because they have to cover up a thing that they did accidentally. And I was just so tired of it. And so I like quit the season then and there. I'm just like, I love you, Kirsten, but like I can't do it. People really did like that season. The third season, again, like here's the theme. It's a excellent cast. That one is

Ewan McGregor playing twins. Carrie Coon is in it. Who do I love more than Carrie Coon? Very few people. Mary Elizabeth Winstead is in it. David Thuas is in it. I don't remember what the reviews of that season were, but like, still people were watching it and enjoying it.

I watched season four, which was the most recent season to review it. This is the one with Chris Rock and Jesse Buckley and Ben Wishaw, and And it's, it is Noah Hawley deciding that he is going to do a series about the experience of black gangsters in Kansas City in, God, when the hell even does that take place? Like the 1940s, 30s, something, I don't know, maybe 1920s even. I don't know.

who's to say, the olden times. And I don't think Noah Holly's the person I would want to be putting in charge of telling that story. I don't, I didn't think it was good. I just, top to bottom, didn't think it was good. I am also like the lone sort of nonplussed person about Jesse Buckley.

I think she's fine in general. I think she's bad in season four of Fargo. I think Chris Rock is bad in season four of Fargo. it was just poorly conceived and poorly executed and I didn't really like it but by then I was fully off of the Noah Hawley train by that point so it's like I wasn't expecting to like it

in the meantime he had also done that show Legion which was a sort of an X-Files or not X-Files X-Men universe show and Lucy in the Sky is really the only other thing that he did like it's so funny he has such a reputation and he's done like very few things but his name is always sort of in the mix for stuff. And one of the things is...

Yeah, he's doing this new alien TV series is the sort of latest thing. But like Fargo, when it was especially doing really, really well, it was like winning awards, and he was getting a lot of acclaim. And he was on... We've probably talked about this, certainly in private,

the THR roundtable that he was on for Emmy season with the TV showrunners, one of whom was Ava DuVernay. Now, I'm going to very quickly look this up just to see who else was in it because the roundtable, like the makeup of the roundtable

is important for this one. Because it's like, oh, it's a really interesting, actually, wow, it's a real interesting lineup. So it is Ava DuVernay, Ryan Murphy, Genji Cohen, Lisa Joy, David E. Kelly.

So, like, some big heavy hitters in this thing, right? And so one of the prompts is, from the Hollywood Reporter lady, is name your favorite TV character that you didn't have anything to do with, like that, you know, from something that is totally not yours. And I think somebody says Buffy and somebody says, I don't know, like Sipowitz or something like this, right? And already in this Hollywood roundtable, Noah Hawley has been sort of. of like pontificating in a way that like is kind of rubbing some people the wrong way. One of which is at some point he talks about how he doesn't feel like his job as a screenwriter is to preach to the audience about politics. And in the con-

Oh boy. Right, right. And so that's sort of like drew a reaction from some people, one of which, one of them being Ava. Because also this is like summer 2017. So like Trump's just been elected. Like we're all going through this like very fraught. time. And Noah Holly doesn't feel like it's a writer's responsibility to talk politics.

So they go around, they get this prompt about who's your favorite character that you had nothing to do with. And they go around and it gets to Noah Holly and he goes, oh, got to be Omar. All right. A lightning round question for everyone. Who's your favorite character on TV that you have nothing to do with? Current, past. Archie Bunker. Molly Dodd. Buffy. Gotta be Omar Larry Sircy Lannister

The O-A And I think the THR person's Just like from the wire I remember this And he goes gotta be Omar And literally next to him Ava DeVernay goes She goes

Like that shit Like she cannot help it It's the most like to write some Just like And then And then she just goes And she does that very sort of shady thing Where she's just like

Sorry sorry you know what I mean just like and it's so amazing fantastic seek this out you guys it is the shade of all shade i will try to find it and put it on our tumbler it's so good and it's like and it's everything that i wanted somebody to say to noah holly during this which is literally just like just laugh just yeah and it's because also it's such a try hard answer you know from the white showrunner or whatever that like i'm going to show my bona fides and i'm going to be like omar yeah from the wire is the greatest like whatever which again Fantastic show or whatever

But it was like This was clearly like Noah Holly was trying to put on the show And she was having none of it And it was fantastic So I always talk about how Noah Holly Has been deceased since summer of 2017 Because of that

So killed him dead on the spot And so anyway Well I mean The movie he made Certainly killed his movie career dead on the spot Except no What was the project that got announced With him attached

And we're like We're really doing this after Lucy in the sky Oh, I thought that was the alien thing, but maybe not. No, I thought there was another movie. Hold on. Let's check the old I am Googling this. All right. So, yes, so already going, so this was happening like, again, two years before losing the sky.

So by this point, his name attached to something is not really something that's going to. And I should say, Legion was a pretty divisive show, but like some people who liked it, like, really thought it was excellent. And, like, really, really liked it. And so I don't want to, like, take that away from them, whatever. But this is what it was, and he's already no longer attached. He was going to get Star Trek. Oh, right. He was going to get Star Trek.

Everybody at some point was about to get Star Trek. But yes, he's definitely one of those people. So, like, going into Lucy in the sky, I think he's my biggest drawback. Because I'm just like, hey, so remember that thing where Noah Hawley is bad and I don't like his stuff. And unfortunately, for him and for Natalie Portman and for people who saw him, this movie I was proved correct and it's not a good film and it's deeply

pretentious and it's pretentious because it has absolutely nothing to say it doesn't have a thing to say not a thing to say he tried to come out and say that it's this whole thing about mental health and it's like well if you think you've made a sensitive movie about mental health I actually

think that you've objectified her worse than any version of the movie that would have the diaper in it and reduced the intricacies of people who struggle with mental health issues. The only real observation in this film is that somebody who goes to space can come back to Earth and

not be able to experience joy anymore. And it's like, and it's such a, it's an incredibly basic observation, right? It's just like very, and he doesn't do anything with it at all. And like, oh, it'll make you, you know, it'll make you sad and also crazy. And it's just like, well, great congratulations yeah it doesn't go anywhere he doesn't have

anything interesting to say and I think that's the biggest problem the thing that he thinks is interesting to say for two hours is sometimes if you go to space you will come back depressed and aspect ratios will change aspect ratios will change exactly

and like frames it also which is it's such a TV framing device, which is she has these sessions with a psychiatrist, a sort of Massa-appointed psychiatrist, played by Nick Offerman. I'm fine. Right. Thank you, Holly Hunter, as Natalie Portman, as Lucy in the sky. And again, it's just very blunt and straightforward about the themes.

Like, it does not really, like, if you had any chance of, like, missing it, you're not going to. because there's Nick Offerman saying that like sometimes when people come back from space they can't even like walk straight and she's like that's how I felt after John Hamm went down on me and it's a whole goddamn thing well yeah right well I talking about the framing of the story a little bit I remember the thing that you were most pissed about when we left the movie was the end scenes where she's the beekeeper for some reason. But also she's speaking back to, like, Rosetta Stone in her car doing French. And it gets to, I'm sorry, and she turns the tape off. Yes. And I remember that making you so mad.

I mean, it's dumb, right? It's stupid. It's stupid. It's stupid. Also, there's the whole runner where she's, like, growing butterfly cocoons in a bell jar in her home. And then the one day she sees its hat. And it's not a butterfly, but, like, a whole thing of wasps. And, like, first of all, I don't know.

I don't know what you did wrong there, honey. It turned your butterfly into wasps. But also, like, that's part of the thing, in addition to Ellen Burstyn's death that sets her off. And, like, that's one of the things she's sort of, when she's going on her, like, unhinged rant to Zazy Beats at the end, she's just like, sometimes it's supposed to be butterflies and it's instead of wasps. and now I'm like weirdly like quasi-share in this just like I don't know honey it's swash um where's my damn Picasso it's full of wash Lucy in the share with Jackish I wanted it if it was going to be bad I did want it to be more fun bad that's is why everybody keeps bringing up the astronautic line it's because that's the one moment of like

just like campy enjoyment in it and it needed Yeah, it's not the crazy movie that a lot of people wanted. No, I would never, like, have friends over to watch Lucy in the sky. I can't imagine, like, a bigger backhand to Noah Hawley and how, you know, unworthy of Natalie Portman he is in this movie. Is it, it doesn't, he doesn't even have the latitude to, you know, make it be some type of leap where, like, Natalie Portman can go full Portman on it. Right.

I wanted it to be, again, yes. Like, give me Voxlux or fucking nothing, man. Like, at this point, if I'm going to be in a Natalie Portman movie that's like, I'll put bad in scare quotes for Voxlux, because genuinely, my number grade for Voxlux is like an Egyptian hieroglyph or something. It's just like, it's just not a number at all. It's the party hat emoji. It's the emoji blowing the little blower.

That's Voxluck. It's the upside-down smiley face emoji. If you're not going to. give me Jennifer Ely showing up in McQueen. If you're not going to get me Rafi Cassidy being there because of course she's there. Can we talk about speaking of Jennifer Ely because I know that you love her

and this is a full tangent that has nothing to do with it? You never, I can't believe that you haven't just been talking about Jennifer Ely plays a mean lesbian in St. Maude like for the last however long since you've seen St. Okay, except I saw that movie because Jennifer Ely was in it. I was like, Oh, Midnight Madness, Jennifer Ely

don't care about any of the rest of it. That is maybe the exact wrong way to approach that movie is what it is. No, no. The right way is to not know that she's in it at all and then to be surprised that Jennifer Ely's there and then she's playing a mean lesbian who's dying and it's just like, yes. I don't

love that movie the way that some people love it. I mean... I agree. I liked it a lot. I think it I thought it was plenty creepy and I like a movie that will sort of go there in the way that that movie goes there and I'm not going to really spoil it. It's really not that creepy if you watch the trailer, though, because Oh, I didn't. The biggest

stuff, like, for not to spoil it further, but the shoes is right there in the trailer. See, I didn't see the trailer. I guess it was, uh, I, I approached it very, uh, you know, I didn't know hardly anything about it, so that was

good, and I was happy. And again, I avoided that information for a long time, because they only just saw it, but, uh, yeah. Even though the movie is a failure on a creative level because of its writer-director Noah Hawley, it is still worth noting how this movie, I mean,

like we've talked about movies that didn't really get released. Like when we did Prize Winner of Defiance, Ohio, and it played like 60 theaters or something. Right. They had a wide release for this movie, but they did absolutely nothing for it. I'm a little, I mean, maybe not, because she goes to like premieres and stuff like that.

Like Natalie Portman went to Tiff for this, but I don't think she did. any press like searchlight fully just dumped the movie or Disney we should say dumped this movie yeah yeah it made

less than $350,000 at the box office which is with a wider release wide release being like 500 or 600 or I was going to say it wasn't ever just like a big but like yeah it didn't like stay like you know 12 screens or whatever but like it made very very very little money

it didn't by the time and like this was a fall release but like by the time precursor season went around it didn't even get like bullshitty precursor stuff it just was incredibly invisible it got three nominations from the Academy of Science Fiction and Fantasy

which is not a thing we really talk about very much on this podcast the Saturn Awards is that what the Saturn Awards are called they can be two completely different no no it is it's just listed at IMDB as Academy of Science Fiction Fantasy and Horizomps. It is the Saturn.

I wanted to call it a thriller, maybe, but this is not a science fiction movie. No, as we mentioned, it is not. But it was nominated for Best Science Fiction film. It's, this is one of those things where

IMDB does not list what won. The disinterest, the absolute disinterest on IMDB's part. Let me look up the Saturn Awards on Wikipedia. That might help. Doesn't Jewel have a song called Saturn? No, it's Jupiter. It's like they can just award Jules Jupiter.

Wow. Also, okay. Also, oh, these ones are not... Did they just never hand these out because of the pandemic? Oh, shit. This is... Okay, yes. The eligibility period got extended into November of 2020.

They will be held sometime in 2021. nominations were announced this past March. So Lucy in the Sky is still active. It's an active awards case. Everybody drop your, drop your pens. I do think we actually need to rally around this and we need to get a Saturn award for Lucy in the Sky because how? Now we do. Wild. It is nominated in three categories, as I said. This is like, by the way, this is breaking news on a podcast. Like we are, and literally I defy anybody to say they have heard this news before us. Like, you are hearing this for the first time on this had Oscar buzz. We are now a news podcast.

All right. Best science fiction film. It is up against Ad Astra, which, I mean, I'm sorry, losing the sky. Like, we're not going to campaign for you because you shouldn't be an ad astra. Gemini Man. Poor Angley's Gemini Man. Star Wars, the Rise of Skywalker, but you thought you were done with that.

No, it's still there. It's still nominated for things. Tenet, which also should beat losing the sky. And Terminator Dark Fate, which I did not see. So, like, I didn't either. Again, an active case. This is insane to me that the Saturn Awards, I have nominated losing the sky. This movie has been dead for decades.

All right. Best actress in a film, Natalie Portman, is up against. Oh, it's some heavy hitters. Oh, literally almost everybody in this category should beat her. Oh, I'm sorry. The ones, the, like, the gray area cases are Daisy Ridley for Star Wars, the Rise of Skywalker. And Lou Yefay

for Mulan as Mulan. But everybody else should definitely beat her. Rebecca Ferguson as Rose the Hat and Dr. Sleep should beat her. Elizabeth Moss and the Invisible Man should beat her. Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn in Birds of Prey should beat her. Shirley Stheron

and the old guard should beat her. Like it's rough slagher. I'm going to have to throw my weight behind Margo Robbie on that one. I mean, you know I'm I'm an Elizabeth Moss in a invisible stand. This is truly wild because, like, you're throwing

out things that are within, like, a year and a half of each other. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This is crazy. Interestingly, in Best Supporting Actress, our girl, Old Murph, Ellen Burstyn, is nominated for Lucy in the Sky. No, she is not. Yes, she is.

For old dick, astronaut, Old Dick. Yeah. Up against, strangely enough, Zazy Beetz, who was nominated for Joker. God Linda Hamilton for Terminator Dark Fate Oh, all right

There's one fully unhinged one And not because of the performance And it's not Ellen Burstyn in this movie? No, because The most unhinged one in this category is unhinged because of the The fact that it is a Saturn Award nominee at all

Like it's a genre question But anyway, Linda Hamilton and Terminator Dark Fate Journey Smollett and Birds of Prey. She's awesome. Actually, you know what? Mary Elizabeth Winstead is the supporting player and Birds of Prey that I would nominate.

But anyway, I love Journey Smollett. Anna to Armis and Jamie Lee Curtis from Knives Out, which apparently mysteries count as science fiction. We're still giving awards to Knives Out. I'm saying. But the most unhinged one is Amanda Seifred from Mank is nominated for a Saturn award. Why?

What? You know I love that performance and that movie, but what the fuck is Mank doing as a Saturn nominee? for what's basically encompassing two years of movies. It has four nominations. Best Thriller film. Sure.

Is it? Mank is a comedy. It's not a thriller. Then for Oldman, for Seifred, and for the score. It's Fincher. It's, it's...

I think of that it's true. I think it's like, yeah. It's not a shit on the Saturn's. Yeah. It's because it's a David Fincher movie. Also, every category has six nominees. And there's, like, 12 different genres that they recognize

for the best film. Saturn Awards, we should pay more attention to because they're fucking wild for this one. Honestly, what's my... Oh, my God.

Their best fantasy film is like eight films. One of which is Sonic the Hedgehog. Everybody's favorite fantasy. What are... Midsomar is nominated. That was like eight billion years ago. I don't remember Sonic the Hedgehog

being in the ludicrous song. El Camino, a Breaking Bad movie, is nominated. Not real. Not a real movie. and Hobbs and Shaw. The Good Liar is nominated for Best Thriller. The Good Liar is 12 years old.

It's so old. Good God. I love you, Saturn Awards. We are going to pay more attention to you. We're going to make it up to you. So, yeah, so Lucy in the Sky, still an active awards case in three categories of the Saturn Awards. Let's all pay attention for one point this year when they will announce the winners. If we miss it, like, nail us on the Twitter feed and let us know.

No. All right. The other way, we just went through these nominees and these nominees were cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. Absolutely. All right. Alliance of Women Film Journalists also nominated this film. It feels like whenever we're mentioning the Alliance of Women Film Journalists, it's always about something they were not happy about. And in this case, they were not happy about Lucy in the Sky because they gave it the award for, or no, they only nominated it for. I wonder what it lost to. For most egregious age difference between. the leading man Oh, I don't know if we want to know what the difference is. I'm looking it up, but it's probably going to something like off. Oh, they say it in the nomination. John Ham 48 years old, Zazy beats

28 years old. It is a 20 year time gap, or age gap between the two of them. Not enough to win. Okay, interestingly enough, the Alliance for Women Film Journalists don't go purely by math because their winner is a 22 year age gap, and that

that's not as good as... Also a TIF movie. The Public, the Emilio Estevez movie, The Public, where Emilio Estabez and Taylor Schilling have 22 years between them. That one, even though the age gap between Eddie Murphy and Divine Joy Randolph in Dolomite is my name, is 25 years. But also, Dolomite is a good movie. Yeah, I didn't realize she was that much younger than Eddie Murphy. Dolomite is my name is a great movie, though. These other two will definitely lose in the skies.

All right. way, women film journalists did not like that about Lucy in the Sky. So that one, they did lose. So Emilio Estevez has an award that Lucy in the Sky could have won now. So, yeah, that was the only award season attention that this movie got. And very quickly forgotten. Very, very quickly forgotten. So what else is there really to say about this? Again, Reese apparently was going to actually play the Lucy role, but she was. She's dropped out to do season two of Big Little Lies. Was that better?

Marginally so, I would say. For maybe just the first episode of that season, that first episode is decent. Oh, I mean, I rag on that second season. Going from, like, the scene with Reese, where it's, like, in the little outdoor coffee shop. That scene is incredible. And then, like, after that, Merrill just, like, falls off a cliff. The fact that we didn't get Reese throwing an ice cream cup. at Merrill Streep is what made that season go from promising to not good.

No, I like, I rag on Big Little Eye season two, mostly because I loved season one so much, and I really did not feel like a season two was necessary. And when it was a disappointment, I got kind of told you so about it. But there were good things about it. Like, there were. I mean, you know, I think they sort of, they gave into the memeification of Laura Dern's character in that season in a way I found a little irksome where they were just like, oh, like everybody on Twitter is in love with Laura Dern, we're going to give that to

them in space, we're going to give them, I will not not be rich, we're going to give them her like going full breaking dishes on her husband's kind of man cave or whatever. I don't think it added up to much, and it didn't give Reese's character anything interesting to do, and I was very much a Madeline person. for that first season. I thought she was so amazing. The best step that Madeline got to do was she was really the main adversary to Merrill. The problem was Merrill was a bad villain.

Yeah. Yeah, not my favorite Merrill performance, unfortunately. Yeah, it was not a good season. So anyway, Reese decided to do that instead of Lucy in the sky. Probably better. Probably better. I don't think everybody views Big Little Eyes season two as much of a failure as maybe we do. so I think Rees...

HBO probably doesn't because I got people to watch it. Yeah, exactly. Again, I don't think Reese makes Lucy in the sky any better. I think Reese just sort of gets taken down in the way that Natalie gets taken down in this movie. But, all right, here's one I'm going to throw out there. Natalie Portman, Reese Witherspoon, together in a movie. Oh, absolutely.

What's the movie? What's the story? I don't care what the movie is. Are they rival authors, or, like, are they... Lesbians in a period drama? Yes. Anything. They are mothers of two high school boys who want to go to prom in a musical where Hollywood stars come to try and throw them a prom. I don't know.

Just throw it out there. Just throwing it out there. No, but I was thinking, like, moms of, like, what if they were, like, the mom of, like, love Simon and love Simon's boyfriend? Do you know what I mean? Like, one of those kind of things were, like, what's their story? They get a whole story. And it's just like, Barb and Star go to Vista Del Mar, but about, like, we're going to talk about our sons are dating now or something like that. I don't know.

So, uh, another Natalie Portman Stoner comedy, we've had those that are not very good. What's the other, your highness and what? Uh. That one. No, yes, they should absolutely be screen partners in something that is interesting where they both get to do interesting things. The thing is, I would love to see them together, but like Natalie Portman pretty much does Thor movies and star vehicles now. Well, she's only gone back to Thor. Like, she hasn't done a Thor movie before this one in quite a while.

But, like, she made a bunch of interesting movies after Thor The Dark World. Yes, because that's when Jack. happens. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, like, I can't imagine Portman going full Portman opposite Reese, if that makes sense. I mean, that's probably true, and we're probably talking about a television series.

Way more grounded performer than Natalie Portman is. Oh, yeah, like 100%. So Natalie is signed on, according to IMDB, to a Todd Haynes movie. This just got announced. it's part of the can market. So it's like, it's one of those things that it's like, we'll see if it happens. Right.

Please for the love of God. Her and Julianne Moore. Yeah. She's playing an actress who is going to interview the woman that she is playing, who is played by Julianne Moore in a Todd Haynes movie. Hopefully this can, it might be some type of lesbian relationship thing. It's like, it's like American Clouds of Sils Maria. I'm into it.

It would be amazing. Right. So, yeah, we are eternally optimistic. I'm into the idea of her playing Thor and Thor Love and Thunder. Like, she was not going to come back unless it was something interesting because she was done with the MCU. She, like, you know, barely allowed them to use her likeness in Avengers Endgame. She, like, fully had, like, I think was supposed to be in Age of Ultron. And then she was just like, actually, no, I will not be doing that.

and they, like, had this, like, little write-around for her. I'm excited to that. I mean, like, if she's going, if she's playing, like, Thor, Thor, and she gets to do some big, like, like I said, the full portman in some way. Yeah. We'll see. My only drawback there is, it's Tycho Waititi again, and he did Thor Ragnarok, which I was, like, the person who, like, normally loves, like, I love the Thor movies. people hated. And I was like very like kind of hot and cold on Thor Ragnarok leaning towards cold. And I think a lot of it was this idea that like Taika Waititi sort of just comes in and like

essentially makes a movie for just like what if you hated Marvel movies and I'm going to make a Marvel movie. And it's just like just make another movie then. Just don't make a Marvel movie in that case. Like people like I don't know. I don't see Ragnarok in that way. Ragnarok's one of the ones that I've had the most fun at that I appreciated the most because like it felt more episodic in a way that it's like I didn't have to see

30 movies to appreciate what I appreciated about that one. I didn't like it. I thought it was too cool for school. I thought it wasted Cape Blanchet. I thought it was fun. And I'm just like, yeah, we just wrote,

I mean like the, I'm not breaking up. bringing up Martin Scorsese calling them amusement park rides, but it is one of the most app comparisons I've ever heard because we all love amusement rides. That's what you expect from them. I don't. Well, fine. But, like, that's what they are.

And it's like, I don't want to, I don't care to think too deeply about them. But like, but that's also a thing that people like about them, though, is the thing. This is why I sort of like, this is the thing where it's just like, this is where the amusement park ride thing falls apart. Yes, people who get into MCU. stuff, get into it because they like thinking about the interconnections and the mythology. They definitely don't think of it

as disposable. Right. But that's what an amusement park ride is. It's like to go, you have a good time, and you are completely unaffected by it 10 minutes later. But that's what I'm saying, though, is the people who really like them don't think about them that way. Like, you may,

but like, that's not everybody. Martin Scorsese might, but like, that's not everybody. I find the interconnectedness of it exhausting. I just want to see the ones that I might be interested. But what I'm saying is I think the interconnectedness is a big part of the appeal for me. And so that's what I'm saying. Anyway, Tycho White is stupid.

Anyway, we are not a Marvel podcast. We will never be a Marvel. No, no, God, who has the time? Genuinely, who has the time. But yeah, excited for Natalie to play the Mighty Thor. That'll be cool. excited for Natalie Portman in a Todd Haynes movie. God, what voodoo doll do I need to buy?

For God, God, let that happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Do we have anything? Actually, let me go through my little notebook, because I definitely had. I wrote down a bunch of, like, quotes because there's some, like, really, really ridiculous, like, lines of dialogue in this thing. And then a person in a dairy queen, I would like to solve the puzzle. That astronaut dick has made you soft serve.

Oh, I kind of wrote down, I was said, is Zazi beats her Milakunis in this movie? Like, is she, like, for a second there, it felt like we were, like, brushing up against a kind of, like, the thing we're, like, where she's on the track and she, like, bumps into Zazi Beats, and then Zazi Beats is, like, showing her up in the pool and whatnot. And I'm just like, wait a second here. I've seen this movie before, and it is Milakunis being a better ballerina than, than Natalie Portman. All right. I said, imagine cuckolding Dan Stevens for John Hamm, couldn't be me. um nana says frisbys are for dogs the fuck does that mean um well because she's going uh she says to go throw a frisbee and then she says frisbee and then she says frisbee are for dogs the scene where she's in the pool and she almost like dies or whatever because she's got the the breach in her suit and her mask is filling up with water and she won't get out of the pool until she's finished her assignment and they kept i think it's like geoffrey donovan or whatever somebody's just Like, she's refusing to let go.

And they say it multiple times. It was like, yes, we get it. She's refusing to let go. She won't let go of, like, being in space or whatever. Oh, God. The Dan Stevens line where he's talking, he and Natalie are telling Zizi Beats about how they met at the cafeteria. And he says, she helped me open a bottle of ketchup. I have weak hands.

Again, we get it. Like, he's a soft little, like, weak-handed man. Like, Jesus. He could never be an astronaut with weak-hands. Cairns, yeah. Take a screenwriting class. Oh, Natalie Portman, I think when she's talking to the niece, maybe, when she says, why did the chicken cross the road?

How bad did she want it? I was just like, Jesus Christ. And later she says, why did the chicken cross the road? To get to the other side. To get to the other side. It's like, Noah Hawley, please direct yourself into the jokie. Yeah. And then the thing where she draws the.

the bug spray on John Hamm, and she says for the benefit of all mankind, which I believe was something that they said in the moon landing, or maybe perhaps that's like a NASA motto or something. Anyway, it was a lot. Do you have anything to say about Lucy in the sky before we move on to the IMD? Her name is Lucy Cola.

Don't know where I find her on the freestyle Coke machine. What does a Lucy Cola taste? Well, now the AMC people, have to make your freestyle cola for you. And it's taken all of the fun out of freestyle. It's such a bummer. Like, I get it. The lucy cola is you get, like, what do they call those?

Like, the suicide of all of the, like, not good sodas from the freestyle machine. It's the dregs. It's just like, it's the cherry Coke that's, like, half, like, it's mostly water now because, like, there's no, you know, they've run out of cherry Coke. Yeah. No, it's sad. It's just a club soda and, like. The whole point of a Coke freestyle.

machine is you get to be as obnoxious and indulgent as you want because no one is there to see how awful you're being when you're putting like a drop of Mr. Pib in with like a drop of, you know, peach diet spright or whatever. But now you have to like buy your cup at the one concession stand and then go to the freestyle stand. What are you doing in your freestyle, sir? Well, this is what I'm saying is like now all of a sudden freestyle because of like COVID protocols or whatever. But now I have to like go to the freestyle and like sort of sheepishly just be like Diet Coke please because like I'm not going to be like you know half Diet Coke half Cherry Coke like a squirt of Hawaiian punch or whatever the fuck and no I don't do that you're

putting a squirt of Hawaiian no I'm saying the whole point of freestyle is you can be a psycho if you want to be and now who has the courage to be a psycho in that in that setup nobody no I put Hawaiian punch with Sprite sometimes that's normal because it's like punch because it feels like that's normal yeah um no my normal freestyle was always um diet cherry vanilla

half diet cherry vanilla coke half just regular diet coke because you don't want too much of the cherry vanilla it tastes like chemicals I refuse to get a soda that I can actually get elsewhere in the world

it has to only be available on a freestyle so what is your freestyle what is your freestyle order I do love this is like the third time in a row that you've like called my order for something boring

sorry sorry what is your freestyle you read of a person. I like to get like a raspberry Coke zero or like a mellow yellow zero citrus twist. That's a really good one. I didn't know they still made mellow yellow. Meliellow's delicious. You have to get in on this. I don't know. That's one of those where just the color of it scares me. Um, yeah, it's basically science sludge. Yes. But, um, yeah. Yeah, like I, my, my Coke freestyle select.

has to be something that I couldn't go, like, get a can of. But, like, I can't get a can of, like, Diet Cherry Vanilla Coke. Like, yeah, you can't. Not really. Most stores do not carry that. You can get it in a zero. Maybe. This is a wild episode.

Imagine how we don't want to talk about Lucy in the sky. Imagine, to the degree to which we don't want to talk about this movie. All right. We can move on to the IMDB game. Yeah, tell the kids how we do. Every week we end our episodes with the IMDB game, where we challenge each other with an actor. or actress to try to guess the top four titles that IMDP says they are most known for.

If any of those titles are television, voiceover performances, or non-acting credits, we will mention that up front. After two wrong guesses, we'll get the remaining titles release years as a clue. That's not enough. It just becomes a free-for-all of hints. I have a question because we have changed the copy and we've kind of changed the rules for non-acting credits, right? Yes, yes. If it is both, like, I gave you... Oh yeah, I'm not going to like, no. I think it only counts if it's... Charlize Theron Fertelli, you're counting the acting performance. Right.

And maybe after we get the years, you can say... If it's a film that they are not an actor in. That's why I said non-acting credits. That's why I put it that way. Right, right, right. Yeah. Um, because normally I don't even look for... Robert Redford, ordinary people. Right. Exactly. That's exactly it. Just so, it's again,

all it is about is not, like, misleading the other person while we're doing this. Anyway, yes, that is the IMTV game. So, Chris, would you like to guess first or give first? I'm going to give first this time, I feel. All right. So we've been talking about Noah Hawley and some of his television credits,

including the television program Legion. The thing that I remember people saying about Legion, but that it was bad, except for this performer, who am I talking about? I am talking about Aubrey Plaza, the Great Aubrey Plaza. Right. here's the thing there is no television in her known for okay that's that's too far that's crazy okay i mean here's the other thing is that like the most sort of prominent thing she's done lately in a

movie has been um the what the fuck is the christmas movie the cleo de val christmas movie which is like a hulu thing and again streaming doesn't really appear on IMDB very much. On the IMDB game, we should say. All right. What was it? Not almost Christmas. Happiest season.

Happiest season. Thank you. That was cute. It feels like it happened to billion years. Eagerly looking forward to people debating if it's terrible or not every year, just like they do with the family stone. Will people be less satisfied about saying that it sucks the way that they are about

Love Actually? I feel like some people get more. joy out of saying that they hate love actually than they do actually about things that they actually enjoy during the holiday season yes like they just like shut up and go the rush of endorphins that people seem to get when they like tell people this daring opinion of theirs that they think love actually is terrible i am so impressed by the way anyway um all right Aubrey Plaza. Scott Pilgrim?

No. Yeah, it's too small a rule. Oh, oh, oh. Life after Beth? No. Okay. She's at least a lead in that one. Yes, she's a titular character.

Your years are 2012, 2013, 2016, and 2017. Oh, well, one of them is oh fuck why can't I think of any titles now the social media one you're getting there with Elizabeth Olson who fucking rules in that movie I would say they both too they do but I think Elizabeth Olson is better that was a divisive movie that people did not all agree on I understand if anybody hates or loves that movie

yeah also she is the titular character I was going to say this is also there's a person's name in the title oh my god she is perhaps going somewhere oh ingrid goes west

thank you ingrid goes west I kept wanting to say Liza for some reason and I was just like no all right that's the 2017 yes yeah all right 2012 2013

2015 16 16 all right Aubrey Plaza. Only one of these is she not one of the first two build. One, she is definitely first build. It's like a movie centered around her. The second she is...

Actually, I think she might be first build in this, but she's like one of two lead characters. Yeah, she was first build in that movie. And then the other one, the 2016 movie, I'll give it to you as 2016. It is a January movie. She is not named on the poster. This is like, this was a fairly reviled movie.

Is that the one about like something, something need wedding dates or something like that? No. She's in that movie, though, right? She is. Huh. You're not far off in terms of, like, dude humor. Oh, God. So, like.

January of 2016. I mean, that's not going to help me, probably. Dude humor, though, could help me. So, like, Miles Teller. Intergenerational. Adam, intergenerational. I wonder if this was AARP movie for grown-up nominated for Best Intergenerational Story. It was not unsurprisingly.

Oh, God. Is it Dirty Grandpa? It is Dirty Grandpa. Christ. All right. Okay, so you still have 2012, 2013. I will say 2013 is the one where she's like the headliner. The movie's all around her.

And it's a sex comedy. She wasn't a lot of sex comedies. Well, we can come back to it. 2012, I think you'll get first. It was a Sundance movie from a now very reviled director. Safety not guaranteed. Safety not guaranteed. I always get that movie.

weirdly confused with Celeste and Jesse forever. Which I kind of liked. Which I kind of liked, but like has been totally forgotten. Safety not guaranteed I did not care for. No, I didn't either.

I thought I was set up to like that movie a lot more than I was going to. All right, 2013. Sex comedy. It's a sex comedy. She is basically playing like a nerd virgin who wants to

accomplish some tasks before she goes to college. What do you do if you have tasks? If you have tasks? Yeah, how would you go about completing your tasks?

What might be the first step you do with your tasks? Prepare for them. Well, you'd have to kind of like figure out what they all are, right? you would make something you'd make a list yes what kind of list the sex list uh imagine it was not sex things you were doing with this list your laundry list your grocery list your you're to do what if you put laundry and grocery on all the same list what would you probably call that

list like a like a to do list exactly the to do list is that what that movie was i have very very little recollection of that movie. Very little. Was Kristen Bell in that one, or did she have her own sort of movie? This, like, sex comedy around that time. Let me look and see. I only remember Aubrey Plaza being

in this movie. Yeah. But I don't think I saw all of that. That's a dumb known for. All of those four, and not Parks and Recreation. I and D.B., you're insane. You're so dumb. Sorry.

No. Like, you were, yeah, if you were wondering before this, whether this was going to be too hard or too easy, it was too hard. Well, I thought, I potentially thought it would be too easy because without the TV, because she does have a lot of TV, I thought

there weren't a lot of movies. Aubrey Plaza is known for should be Parks and Recreation, Ingrid Goes West, happiest season, and Scott Pilgrim. Like, that should be, maybe Legion. Throw maybe Legion in there. But, like, that's it. Who do you have for me?

Okay. So, the most joy I got in this whole preparation for this episode was watching the Ava DuVernay Noah Holly thing on T.HR. So I decided to go down the Ava Duverne route because why not allow her to continue to eat his lunch? Amazing. So I chose somebody from the film Selma that I very much enjoyed. A very large, very good cast. Indeed. Played Coretta Scott King in Selma. I'm giving you Ms. Carmen Jogo. I fucking love her So much

We want more and even better for Carmen Ojogo Yes Selma's got to be on there Correct, Selma is on there She's probably second build in that movie Yeah, I would think yes I feel like this showed up for somebody That I either was looking at recently

Or gave to you Is it, um, it comes at night on there I sometimes I know you would never cheat but like sometimes I really have to like think on that because why would you know that it comes at night would be I like that movie I've defended that movie I don't like that movie I thought that movie was a big old disappointment from Krisha guy um but yes that is on her hour era for it comes at night I think that movie was not marketed very well I think that movie is one of those

movies that that takes it too far the whole notion of we're going to make the entire movie, one big held breath for a thing, and then it just never comes. It's just like, there's no payoff. I mean, like, I hate to be like, this is another movie about grief, but like, I think there's tangents away from that that the movie, like, actually is. I don't really think it's even much of a horror movie. I just thought it was good. But it's beyond marketing.

When you have a movie called It Comes at Night that is like that much of like dark spaces and, like, you know, external threats and whatever. Like, he knew he was making a horror movie. You know what I mean? He knew he was making something with all the trappings of a horror movie. And I thought it was... Like a certain language, he's making kind of his tragedy. It felt a little I'm going to try and outsmart people by making this thing.

Anyway, I also think he's kind of a brat. Like, he impresses me as being kind of a brat, even though Kretia was awesome. I have no... I have many brat filmmakers that I like their movies. Anyway, she's in the alien movies. She's an Alien Covenant. She is. It's not on the, it's not on her IMDB, but she is definitely...

Yeah, people forget about that alien movie. That was a frustrating movie. There were parts of that that I really liked and parts of it that really made me mad. Yeah. I mean, like, I'm all for the Alien movies being less and less crowd-pleasery and doing, like, weird shit like that movie does. Well, good news, because the, like, the, like, Last few have been not very crowd-pleasery at all. Okay.

Roman J. Israel. No, she rules in that, but no. That movie is great. She is great. It's really good. That's one of Denzel's best. Colin Farrell rules in that. She rules. Yes.

All right. So that's two strikes. Your other two are 2009 and 2016. 09 has to be a way we go. Yes. This is the first thing I ever saw her in. She plays Maya Rudolph's sister. They have a...

Matt, I didn't get that before. Super lovely scene where they just, like, have this, like, most... They just sit in a bathtub in, like a dry bathtub, and just, like, talk about their parents being dead. And have such a relaxed and easy sister chemistry. And you know how much sibling shit, like, I am such a sucker for sibling stuff in movies. And I want them to play sisters again and something else because they were so good at it. Anyway, Yes.

A way we go. Wonderful. Yes. What was my other year? 2016. Okay, so... The worst of the bunch. Worst of the bunch? Yeah.

You like it less than it comes at night after you just dragged the movie. Yes. Okay. Was she in like a bad action movie that I maybe didn't see? You know about this movie, and I'm pretty sure you know that she's in it. really yeah she's like sixth or seventh build but like she's definitely in it she was definitely in the trailer even if you didn't see this movie which you probably didn't you probably saw her for a second of the trailer okay she's i'm pretty sure also in its sequel

this is a franchise or it's just a movie with a sequel no it's a franchise yes she is in the sequel um from 2016 it's not the sequel it's the original it won an Oscar for 2016 yes uh oh yeah you got it you got it fantastic beasts fantastic beasts and where to find them Carmen Ojogo plays the president of American wizards or whatever the first one is whatever it's it was like not exciting but like inoffensive the sequel is one of the worst movies i've not seen the sequel i it's one of the worst movies i've ever seen in a theater her character name in fantastic beasts is seraphina pickery sure because why not why not all right yes carmina jogo a much more intuitive known for even with that one on it, than Aubrey Plaza, I will say. I thought I'd had the,

it comes at night conversation with you recently, but maybe it was someone else. Maybe it was me, and I just, I forgot it. I could also rewatch the movie and realize that I'm full of crap, and that is not good, but I, I remember that. And I could watch it and, you know, and change your mind. It's got such a good cast.

It's one of those movies, again. I'm such a sucker for good casts. And, like, that one where, like, Christopher Abbott, you know how much I love Christopher Abbott, Riley Keough, Calvin Harrison. Like, it's a great cast. Joel Etcherton, like, I wanted more from it. I really did. Anyway, that, no, you know what conversation we had was, it wasn't this movie,

but it was another movie that disappointed me in a very similar way, um, was the Jeff Nichols movie. Which Jeff Nichols movie? With Michael Shannon and, and, uh, Midnight Special. Jaden Lieber. Yeah. Midnight Special. I don't actually think that's a bad comparison in terms of like those are movies that are like people probably expect them to behave a certain way as a genre movie and they don't and they're like interested in other things and I will give you that I just wish that again I feel like both of them well Midnight Special tries for something and I don't think it pulls it off unfortunately it comes at night just like declines to do anything like I really do feel like that movie.

just like makes you hold your breath and hold your breath and hold your breath and then it's end credits I was literally just so mad um anyway all right this is a good episode that's our episode that's our episode on lucy in the sky uh if you want more this had oscar buzz you can check out the tumbler at this had oscarbuzztum.com you should also follow our twitter account at had underscore oscar underscore buzz Chris I think I know where to find you on uh social media but why don't you tell those people uh you can find me on Twitter and letterbox at chris v file you can find my alt account at astronaut dick um your only fans astronaut dick my only fans astronaut dick um jesus no um uh yeah that's where you can find me very good i am on twitter at joe reed

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