This Had Oscar Buzz - 152 – De-Lovely

Episode Date: July 5, 2021

Birds do it, bees do it; let’s do it, let’s talk De-Lovely! Reuniting Kevin Kline with his Life As A House director Irwin Winkler, the film casts Kline as the legendary songwriter Cole Porter. Also starring Ashley Judd as his devoted wife Linda, De-Lovely caught attention for its depiction of the Porters’ marriage amid his open homosexuality and … Continue reading "152 – De-Lovely"

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I can't promise you that. MGM Pictures proudly presents the story of a man who gave the world something to sing about. The song's about an obsession. It's about being in love. Kevin Klein, Ashley Jive, in an Irwin Winkler film. It's a performance by Cheryl Crowe, Natalie Cole, Robbie Williams, Elvis Costello, Diana Kraw, and Alanis Morissette.

Hello and welcome to this had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast struggling to cope with life back on Earth with John Hamm's lack of charisma. Every week on this had Oscar Buzz we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had lofty Academy Award aspirations, but for some reason or another, it all. went wrong. The Oscar hopes died and we are here to perform the autopsy. I am our host, Chris Fyle, and I'm here, as always, with my Angel of Death with a lovely baritone, Joe Reed.

I am, as always, ready to blow Gabriel Blow. I don't know. I don't know. Happy pride. I feel like there's like, knowing, first, when you first learn that Cole Porter was gay, and then you go through, like, all of

the, like, famous standards, or whatever of his, and it's just, like, picking out little, like, innuendo, like, Tee innuendo stuff, feels like a gay rite of passage that, like, everybody goes through. It's general song analysis, you know, it's like, I wonder if a dandy fellow wrote this song. Right. Can't imagine. I mean, I don't, Lord knows what, like, that, you know, people weren't making, like, snickering tops and bottoms joke back then.

But, like, to write a song called, you know, if I'm the bottom, you're the top is, like, it's, it's a gift to modern-day sensibilities is what it is. You know, what else is in. Cole Porter's songs, a lot of racism. Yeah. Yeah, I was talking about that the other day with just like talking about the Anything Goes revival that I really, really loved. But that is a show where lots of racism was trimmed out of the last revival, but probably could have been trimmed even more. Can't imagine how that is not the case. Yeah. But we are here to talk about

Cole Porter biopic called De Lovely. Joe, do you feel the sudden urge to sing, perhaps that kind of ditty that evokes the spring? Yes, but in a way that really, really emphasizes the fact that I am a modern day singer whose

sensibility doesn't really track with, you know, American standards in that way. Yes, that's what I'm in the way. It's very true. God love the people who they got to sing these songs, but the very variance in terms of how well and like I don't I wish this movie was a little more like not

necessarily like Moulon Rougeified but like played into the idea that it was having like these sort of modern day voices sing these songs but like it's not quite it really is trying to sort of play on the idea that like we're taking these modern day singers but we're putting them in the box of traditional thing and it's just like it doesn't always work so don't think that That's informed by Moulin Rouge happening? I think it doesn't go far enough in that direction, is what I'm sort of saying. Okay, okay. Do you know what I mean?

Yes. You think that the vision is a little watered down. Well, I think it just sort of stops short from being weird enough to work, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. Well, like, let Alanis, like, really, like, go full on Alonis. It feels like they're sort of, like, roping Alonis in. You want her standing in the street naked with long stringy hair singing Cold Porter songs. That's exactly what I want.

No, but you know how, like, Alonis is Alonis because of her songwriting and because of her, you know, attitude and everything. Like, she's not really known as like a vocalist's vocalist. She has a very kind of peculiar voice and that's really emphasized when she's singing something like, let's do it, let's fall in love. And I think the movie could have made that work if it had really leaned into it, but I don't think it does enough, if that makes sense. I don't know if it needs to, like, go weird or be, like, this fully modern thing. Like, I'm kind of okay with that number specifically and how, like, her voice is so very particular and very modern. But, like, I kind of like it. It does feel a little fresh to me.

But that's also, like, the best sequence in the movie. It is. It is. Maybe it's not, to me, the best, like, jumping off point to say what doesn't work about these musical sequences. But, like, I wish that it was as enjoyable to watch as that musical number. Yeah. There's so much about this movie that I want to work a lot better than it is, because I like a lot of the component parts. I like both Klein and Ashley Judd's performances.

I like at least some of the, you know, guest song performances. And even the, like, conceit of, you know, we're going to tell Cole Porter's life as if it was a musical itself, which is a cool conceit that I don't think they keep up enough. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, like it needs to be more whimsical or magical. Like every time, yeah, every time we're back in that theater with Jonathan Price, a famous, you know, husband of a wife, Jonathan Price, I'm like, oh, right, we're doing this.

You know what I mean? Like, oh, yes, yes, yes, that's, that's, that's, because like when, when that isn't specifically around, it just feels like, you know, a regular biopic that is kind of peppered with these interludes that are songs. Right. Well, that framing device. Like, yes, it's not used as enough. You could have very probably easily cut it out,

except you would lose Jonathan Price doing Blow Gabriel Blow. Right. Maybe what we needed was Jonathan Price just doing Blow. And that doing Blow Gabriel Blow. I mean, you know, make it work. Make it happen. I think my issue that's kind of adjacent to what yours is. is not that it doesn't make any, like, musical sense and it kind of doesn't follow through on its, like, you know, narrative thrust, I guess, is that you have a lot of these.

I want almost more Alanis. I either want more Alanis-style performers in this movie, or I want more Natalie Coles in this movie. Because, like, those are the two extremes, right? Yes, yes. one very standard one very not standard yeah yes and there's a lot of middle ground of these people who whether or not they do it in their music outside they're trying to like perform old-timey song stylings right like Robbie Williams and I mean Robbie Williams's vibe especially at that point in his career well right I don't I'm trying to track Robbie Williams's career but like there was a point where

Robbie Williams is like, my thing now is I'm going to dress like James Bond at all times. Yeah, like, not Willett. Not the Willenium, but Millennium. Right, that era. So, like, that feels like a natural extension of that. But yeah, your Elvis Costello's, your, uh, Cheryl Rose. Elvis Costello, they just showed up at his house. He just stuff that all the time. That's, that's just, they just let a camera go and Elvis Costello was doing. doing let's misbehave. Right. This was the entire group of guest singers that 30 Rock then just, like, adopted unmasse to sing the kidney song from that one episode.

They just added Cindy Lopper to it. Cindy Lopper would have been, if you really wanted to go, like, weird, if you really wanted to lean in that direction, Cindy Lopper would have been a cool one to have. All respect to Carolyn O'Connor as Ethel Merman, but let Cindy Lopper be Ethel Merman. Fuck, yeah. That would be amazing. Actually, Carolyn O'Connor is really good. She is. Anytime anybody does Ethel Merman, though, it's so...

Because it's just like, there's never any doubt. It's just like, everybody does that one little, like, sort of, like, brassy warble, and it's just like, yep, that's who it is. Isn't she known for doing Ethel Merman? Is she? I don't know. I could... I'm sure someone will yell at me. She's maybe why I was thinking about moving. L'An Rouge at times, too.

Right, right. How long have we been threatening to do this movie? A long time. We've talked about it a lot. It's been listeners' choice polls. It shows up in conversation. It did well in, like, the big listeners choice poll. Yeah, whenever we talk about, like, the O'4 Golden Globes, it's there sort of lurking.

We've already done an Erwin Winkler, Kevin Klein, co-production before with Life as a House. And, yeah, it comes. comes up a good bit. It's, and it's funny, it comes up a lot for a movie that I neither love nor loathe. You know what I mean? It sits very much sort of in the middle for me. I remember, I mean, I was in high school when this came out. I remember seeing it, saw it with my grandmother, we had a wonderful time, immediately went out and got the soundtrack, and like, everything evaporated from my mind in the movie. And seeing it again, I'm like, oh, I understand why people say that this was a horrible.

I don't know if I get horrible, though. Like, I think there's, I think there's a lot of stuff that doesn't work. But I don't know if it ever, like, falls to, dips to the level of horrible for me. I don't know if I'm never going to watch it again on purpose. I think twice is probably enough. Yeah, yeah, you're probably. But. I don't think the lovely just jumps out from behind a bush and makes you watch it.

Right. Well, it is funny because watching it, I was. just like, I've definitely seen this movie before. I absolutely remember seeing this movie before. And then, like, so much of, especially, like, that first half hour, I'm just like, have I seen this movie before? Because, like, it's, you know, it was very, uh, felt very new to me. Well, and in fairness, you've also seen this movie many, many, many times before because

it hits every single beat that movies like this do. Which is why I think we're saying we want it to, like, lean into more of those devices or lead into the musical numbers so that it can feel, fresher or like the things that are unique about it you want it to lean into those things because nothing is unique about this movie there's this like the gay aspect of it I suppose well we'll definitely talk about that because I definitely have some thoughts um there's this kind of self-perpetuating biopic thing where we have in our minds what a biopic is and we always sort of struggle against the borders of it. We say we want biopics to be different than what they are

and to like break out of the mold. They can be so formulaic, blah, blah, blah. I think all of this is true. And yet we, and when I say we, I mean like the culture. Look to stories from people that fit that biopic mold and be like, they should have a biopic. Do you know, what I mean? Like, if a person's life has infidelity, drug addiction, tragedy, you know, if, you know, a horse fell on someone's legs, if, you know, secretly gay, blah, blah, blah, it's just like, oh, does that person's life sort of follow the beats of biopics that we've seen, then they should make a biopic about them. It's this, you know, snake eating its own tail kind of a thing. And I think it's part of the sort of inescapability of a lot

of these biopic cliches, is we look to people whose lives have biopic cliches to make biopics about them. And not that there shouldn't be a movie about Cole Porter. He's an incredibly influential and, you know, fascinating person. But I think there was probably somebody who just looked at his life and just been like terrible horsing accident. You know, wife dies of a disease. Obviously, you know, their marriage was complicated by sexuality. And, yada. And they're just like, We got to make a movie about that person's life. Absolutely. We got to hit all those beats.

I mean, I don't feel like I necessarily learned that much about Cole Porter. Or Linda Porter, really. And this movie gives you a lot of Linda, but it's all this very sort of like, it's very much a beatification of her in a way that, like, I don't think serves her as well. And I don't, like, I think Ashley Judd is giving a great performance that could have been even better if you take the halo off of Linda. a little bit. Right. Like, they, they portray her as this, like, infinitely patient. Divine.

Right. And, like, you know, light of his life, love of his life, despite the fact that he's homosexual, which makes her, like, you know, the movie sort of, like, treats her as, like, what a woman to be able to be the love of this man's life, even though he's a homosexual. And it's just like... And there's probably, like, not to, like, you know, armchair philosopher people who are dead. and have been in the situations they've been in. But, like, she also married him at a time, like, she'd had a divorce when, like, people didn't have divorces.

And she'd had that divorce because she was so horrifically abused. So, like, you could see, especially in that time, you know, how this would have been a more, like, you know, viable option for her. Right. Which is all, like, horrible, but speaks to what you're saying and that, like, you take the halo off of this person who is presented very much, like, this wounded angel that we don't get that much information about. And, like, that's an incredibly interesting layer. Then again, it's also trying to be a lighthearted jukebox musical about Gold Porter. Right. With his own music.

And it's also, the movie starts out when we're still. in that sort of opening prologue with Jonathan Price in the theater where they're setting up the conceit. It takes a long time to set up a conceit that kind of comes and goes. That's another sort of problem I would have of it. But she's the one who enters singing Anything Goes. And it's sort of like it's Linda, but it's not Linda. You know what I mean? It's the Linda of sort of like Cole's, you know, memory construction and whatever. And she doesn't sing again, I don't think, right, in the film? Yes, she does.

She plays piano. Yes. I forget the name of the song. The song where their friends are like, oh, this doesn't sound like anything you ever written. Yes. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right.

I don't know. I still maybe would have liked to have seen more of her singing because I was very impressed by it. Meanwhile, Kevin Klein, who's playing Cole Porter, who, I think they say several times in the movie, Cole Porter had a range of three notes that he could sing. and Kevin Klein has an amazing voice. Right, and he, like, corralled himself in for the role. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting.

I was reading, I was doing my research, and it said that Kevin Klein has two Tony awards, and I meant to look up what they were for, and now... Didn't he recently get one of them? Yes, he did. You're absolutely right. He's the first one for Pirates of Penzance? Oh, I bet you're right. or something like that.

I bet you're right. Pretty sure he had his Tony close to the time that he won his Oscar. He had won two Tony Awards by the time he made this movie. His third one was for present laughter in 2017. Gotcha. For a play. But he had two for musicals.

He won Best Featured Actoring a Musical in 1978 for On the 20th Century. And then, yes, best actor in a musical, 1981 for The Pirates of Penzance. Very good. Yeah. So within a decade of his Oscar. Yeah. Delightful, delicious delovla. To plot description.

Delightful, delicious Dymdb game. Twelve years a slave. Teh. Lovely. All right. Let me bring out my notes. So, Delovelie, do we want to just, we've kind of talked a little bit already about the movie, as we are prone to do, just jumping right into it. But we can, let's move on to the plot description and get back into the movie.

Once again, we are here to talk about de lovely, directed by Irwin Winkler, written by Jay Cox, starring Kevin Klein, Ashley Judd, Jonathan Price, Kevin McNally, Sarah Murphy, and then a whole host of guest appearances, including Robbie Williams, Cheryl Crow, we will get into it, Alainus Morris set, Carolyn O'Connor, Elvis Costello, as one of those floating-armed-to-wind machine mans, Natalie Cole, Diana Krawl, and John Barrowman. The movie opened July 4th weekend in limited release and expanded from there. Wow, timely. Very timely. Joe, do you think you would like to give the plot description?

Yes, I would. Make it delightful, make it delicious, make it in... The 60 seconds. If you are ready, your 60 second plot description, Ford de Lovely starts now. All right, we begin this particular begin with Cole Porter at the end of his life, dying with an angel slash theater producer, play by Jonathan Price, showing him the events of his life in the form of a musical, kind of.

This starts when Cole meets Linda Lee, the woman who will eventually become his wife and his life's great partner. even though he is decidedly homosexual and she knows this and we're all going to be cool about it, right? Porter finds big success on Broadway and in Hollywood working with the likes of Irving Berlin and Louis M. Mayer and throughout the film

you see his most famous songs performed by the likes of Rodney Williams. Lonis Morisette Chow Dianna Crawl, Natalie Cole, etc. Cole has numerous affairs with men along the way and despite his arrangement with Linda this begins to wear on her just as her chain smoking begins to wear on her lungs. Cole gets into

a terrible horse riding accident and his legs are crushed nearly requiring amputation, but he pushes through for another two-plus decades. Ultimately, Linda dies, leaving Cole bereft, and he eventually grows cranky and isolated until we end up back at the beginning with the angel producer, and everybody performs Blow Gabriel Blow, and then shakes his hand, and then he dies. And that's time. Like, perfectly timed. Well done.

Yeah. Perfectly timed, like, a music number or something. Indeed, indeed, yes. So, I mean, there's not, there's not a ton of, like, plot plot. It's not like... You've seen a biopic before you know what happens in this movie. He sort of just like traipses from like one thing to another. And a lot of the sort of signposts along the way are marked by, you know, these song

performances. It gets less into... I don't think we see anything where he's just like, I got to write anything goes. You know what I mean? I'm working. I'm struggling through it. I got to write... There's really nothing about Kiss Me Kate, actually. that I thought that was kind of interesting because that was such a big success for him. But, so I don't know if we see his life necessarily

in terms of like the projects that he's doing necessarily, more so that just like the songs he's contributing to each project and the way that those songs comment or don't comment on his life with Linda or his affairs with these various menfolk. Here's a thing I wanted to ask you, though. Do you feel, we always sort of talk about movies that sometimes that we don't necessarily love, but that we love the actors and the cast, and we sort of wish better for them. This is kind of the rare movie that, like, outside of Kevin Klein and Ashley Judd,

I kind of wish the supporting roles in this movie were cast maybe a level or two up from what they are. I feel like, and I don't want to, like, not just because it's not, like, name cast members. Like, I love a character actor as much as anybody else. But, like, I feel like this movie would have benefited from really good character actors in these roles of, like, Irving Berlin and Louis B. Mayer and even, you know, the... Even if they're just there for a scene. You want even someone, like, we're the type of people, and I think people who go see musicals are going to recognize character actors. and such people that you've at least seen before. And, like, this is no shitting on any of the other cast.

But I get what you're saying because, like... Give me a Bob Balaban, babe. Like, come on. Like, you know... It feels very untethered to anything outside of Cole and Linda. Even to the point where, like, the Louis B. Mayer's scenes sound like they're dubbed. Like, it's very strange. Like, it's just, like, these...

Their performances are not really, are not really great. And I think because this is a movie where we have this sort of, like, you know, cavalcade of other people who are supposed to be stars of their industry, right? And I mean, no shade even to like John Barrowman, who at the time was sort of a thing for a minute. He was on that show Torchwood, the doctor who's been off Torchwood, that was like very popular with a very sort of slim section of genre fans. Was he out at this time? Yes, he was. He was out.

I'm pretty sure from like from the time, he was doing Torchwood. I don't think, I don't ever remember him being famous and not out. So, like, he was, like, one of the, like, you know, you know, on every outmail celebrity list, like, he was on it. And great for him. And, like, he's certainly, like,

an incredibly, you know, talented and handsome man. I was never a Torchwood person, nor was I a Doctor Who person. So, like, whatever, like, grain of salt. But he's never been that particularly. compelling to me as an actor or as a performer beyond the fact that like he has a lovely voice and also is incredibly handsome in a very sort of like matinee idol from the 40s kind of way like you get why you know he would get cast in something like this because you really do you could like absolutely put him back into you know on a marquee in 1935 or whatever um but i don't find

I'm particularly interesting. And I wanted to sort of revel in, you know, I love supporting performance to performances. Well, here's what I think it is. And this is, I think it is actually a problem for the movie that kind of, the movie doesn't know how to handle, like, having Alanis Morissette, Cheryl Crow, like, musician titans come in and do these musical numbers, it really, and the balance is wrong in terms of an ensemble.

Because you have, obviously, the two movie stars, you have, like, multi-platinum recording artists who won Grammys, and then character actors who you're very unfamiliar with. Very much, so. Yes.

It's, it's, it throws the movie off. It's part of, like, those scenes that are not, musical scenes that are just very kind of almost procedural in terms of a biopic aren't very good yeah yes like though there is the one actor who i i can never place him when i see him

but he's the one who essentially black smit blackmail's oh kevin mckid yes yes he's a guy he's like it's been in things. He's still on Grey's Anatomy. Still on Grey's Anatomy after like 10 years. Like he's, um, even though so much of the fandom hates that character. Um, but yeah, and he was on Rome that, that, when did Rome, uh, debut? I think that was after this film, but like, not too long after, if I'm, uh, not mistaken. Hold on. Let me look that up really quickly. Rome, yeah, Rome is the year after this. He had been in that movie Bedrooms and Hallways, the

gay rom-com, British Gay Rom-com, Bedrooms and Hallways, with him and James Pierfoy, who was also on Rome, actually. Bedrooms and Hallways, where's the bathroom? I know. It's such a hard movie to get a hold of. Although apparently, now according to IMDB, it's on Epics

on Prime Video, so maybe I will... But, like, I've been trying to, you know, I can't even, like, find a trailer for it on YouTube, but it's one I've been meaning to revisit for a while there. It's a really, really great cast, and it's Harriet Walters in it, Simon Callow's in it, Jennifer Ely, your great love, Jennifer Ely, Tom Hollander, and it's just like, it's a gay romantic comedy farce, like, it's great, and so he's one of the leads in that. And, yeah, he plays this guy who

initially sort of presents as a kind of a Cole Porter groupie sort of he's like he's at the shows and he's making eyes at him and then he eventually snaps a photo of Cole Porter in a water closet with a gentleman doing not very gentleman having a little smooch having a smooch a little discreet smooch

and then he says he's like well Cole wanted these porters these photos Cole wanted these porters Cole probably did watch certain porters during his during his life, yes. Let me tell you, honey. Ha! Yes, he says that he intended to have those photos taken.

He had like a saw, I don't think he'd said he'd hired him. Anyway, it wasn't like someone was sneaking photos of him, which you have to imagine if that really happened that he was blackmailed with photos that Cole Porter took with another dude. there was probably more than smoochin going on. One imagined so, yes. Do you know what I'm saying? I do.

I do. They were only fans. And they were only fansing it. They were doing the 1940s equivalent of only fans. Yes, is what they were doing. Yes. Oh, good for that. But yeah, so then he like takes it to Linda and is like,

would be a shame if these photos got out. We wouldn't want anything to happen to. I don't know why I'm talking about him like he's a gangster now, but... By the way, I'm trying to... start my own business that you could underwrite. I only need one underwrite. Now he's May West. He's also May West.

He's absolutely May West as performed by Alaska. How many bones do you want? See after the show bubbles. Yeah, that's exactly what's going on. Yeah, that's a good scene for Linda, I feel like. That's a good Ashley Judd plays that scene really well, where she's both like, you know, in a, in a, in a tight spot, but then she's essentially just being like, how dare you, sir? Ashley Judd is so good.

She's so good. She's just so good in this movie. I mean, I honestly think that she, while we were complaining, she didn't have enough to do and we didn't have enough to mention, I do actually think that she, she has more weight to pull in this movie than Kevin Klein does as Cole Porter. That's interesting. I don't know if I would necessarily agree with that, but I think she brings so much to that character that I feel like

it can feel that way. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I can see. I just, I mean, I gushed about her when we did Double Jeopardy, and I'll, you know, I'll gush about her if we do any of her other movies.

Obviously, at some point, you know, the Yaya Sister Hood will come a Colin and we'll talk about that. I don't know. She's been in other things. Well, I mean, I just think that, But, I mean, maybe you're right that it is the performance thing and that she's the type of performer who can balance a lot of layers at once and play several layers at once and hasn't really gotten credit for that. But, like, Cole Porter in this movie is just like, I'm writing my songs.

And she's, like, actually, you know, a person, you know, like, I don't really feel like we know. Sorry, go ahead. No, I was just saying, I don't feel like we know even how. how Cole Porter feels about his own work from this movie. I don't know how he feels about being a gay man other than he enjoys doing so or being so. I mean, like, he loves Linda, I guess. He loves Linda, he loves the boys, he loves writing.

But yeah, it all feels very declarative sentence in that way. You're right. I just feel like my thing with Ashley's character with Linda is like we get a lot of like, Cole Porter will do a thing and then we'll cut to like Linda looking sadly. And, you know, Cole Porter will make a career decision and we'll get to a scene where Linda is like, I don't like what the city is doing to you,

whether it's about like New York or Los Angeles or Paris or whatever. And I mean, that's the story, right? Like the story is, but this is part of the reason why I say I wish the movie would take the halo off of her a little bit because like it's a more complicated thing than that. This idea that, like, they got married, and of course our sympathies are going to fall to the sort of, like, quote-unquote, long-suffering wife. Even though they, like, they had this arrangement, all the cards were on the table from the beginning. He was like, I'm into men, and she's like, cool, it'll be fine.

And she ultimately is less cool about that. And while that is very understandable, there's a lot of nuance to that whole, you know, argument about whether, you know, Does he have a responsibility to be discreet about things? What does discretion mean? He has this one line he says where, like, oh, I wrote it down too. It was like, what is discretion but dishonesty wrapped in a little good breeding? And that's one of those things where, like, I think we're supposed to sort of feel that that's a little bit of, like, self-justification. But, like, it reflected to me a lot about, I mean, how do people use discrete, you know, these days when you talk about, like, when anybody describes themselves as, like, discrete on, like, you know,

grinder or whatever. All it means is just like, I'm going to act very masculine. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want anybody else to know what's going on. And it's like, and so I, I was, my sympathies were actually with Cole in those scenes where he was just like, this was, you know, the arrangement that we came to. We were all honest about it. And I, you know, my, my, my career, my talent, my whatever, is not separable, it's not separable from the way I live my life, the way I, you know, express my, you know, sexuality and enthusiasms, and, you know, I was, he basically was just like, I was never discreet. My life is never discreet. And a big part of me is like, and you shouldn't be. Like, you know what I mean? Live your goddamn life. And, but I think this movie, this movie's sympathy is definitely. definitely lie with Linda. And I feel like a more complicated movie would really kind of interrogate her about this arrangement they came into, the sort of like buyer's remorse she might have had about that. And what, you know, still have the stuff about like essentially the

compromises that she makes to be with him who she loves, just like he is, you know, making choices to be with her who he no, definitely does love. Like that's the point that this movie gets across but I don't know I think this I think this movie kind of flattens out a lot of you know potentially foreigny stuff I especially related to him like it's afraid of it's a movie that's kind of afraid of allowing them to have an argument scene or like yeah and this movie comes out in terms of like gay movies and gay representation especially for like this is you know the intended audience for this movie is probably a lot of, you know, blue hairs and like that I very distinctly remember the

Lincoln Plaza crowd for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Paris theater crowd. Yeah. Absolutely a Sunday matinee crowd. Love them, miss them. I cannot wait to see a movie with a bunch of old people again. Yeah. But I think, I don't want to, it maybe feels cowardly now, but at the time, I don't think this movie had a clear idea of what it really, wanted to like how it wanted to have this conversation about like a gay man and a heterosexual woman

having a loving marriage that was essentially sexless or you know he also engaged in sex with other men and like really interrogating what that means for him as a person because you get that scene that you mentioned

but like I don't know if it's intrinsic to the movie and also within like this kind of classic cinematic like visual language too which I think you can contrast this movie with Kinsey that came I was just

about to say that Chris I was just about to say that I would have loved to have introduced the Cole and Linda Porter of 2004's DeLovely to Professor Kinsey of 2004's Kinsey absolutely well but like obviously two very different movies

two very different intentions I'm not saying that DeLeveli needs like boners on screen like Kinsey has. No, but maybe a little bit of a recognition of a spectrum. Well, yeah. A little bit more what feels like an open conversation because I do feel like it

works both ways. This movie doesn't know how gay to let it be. How you know, how to have the gay character have some self-awareness of that and like

speak on it a little bit like he's he's gay in the way that you know uh even probably more um like palatable for audiences like than the bird cage but it's also i think it's also a movie that's too afraid of us not being on linda's side yes like it's a movie that doesn't want us to be mad at linda for having complicated feelings about her husband being gay right i think that's right and i think like that specifically is something that Kinsey threads incredibly well and isn't about like having a conclusive feeling walking away from that but it's just allowing this marriage to have a lot of layers to it that like we're constantly you know in flux because like Cole and Linda don't have this marriage that it's like they only felt one way about their arrangement at all times right

Exactly. But the movie doesn't allow us to, like, see the ebbs and flows of that. Once again, the hosts of this had Oscar buzz want you to know that Kinsey is rad and you should see it. Kinsey's a good movie. Kinsey's a good movie. All right. Yeah. I think that's exactly right.

I think that's exactly sort of my take on this. It's so funny that you mentioned Kinsey, I was literally, like, ramping up to be like, I'm going to blow the doors off of this conversation with a Kinsey reference. Nope. Chris got there first. Very good. all right i want to get more into the musical performances because we sort of touched on it a bit what are your bests what are your toots and boots essentially of the uh of the performances well okay so uh Natalie Coles every time we say goodbye is like the best version of the song

I've ever heard top two yep absolutely oh are you saying that's top two of the week yeah whatever um uh I do really like Alanis's song I feel like that's the one that a lot of, like, musical theater snobs want to, like, chase me out of the village with pitchforks. It's the most memorable of all the performances. Like, I mean, it feels like the most distinct. It's the one that feels like the movie's doing its own fucking thing. Yes. For once.

And, like, I know that I... It does make me want to see Alonis Morissette in a musical. Yeah. I don't know what kind of musical would be the best, but, like, yes. No, no, I don't even mean that it's a joke. Not Jagged Little Pill, that terrible show. Well, no, not that. And I actually, I enjoyed a good bit of Jagged Little Pill.

But I had someone explained the entire plot of it to me and I, I, I, well, that's the worst way to experience Jagged Little Pill is to have somebody to, like, explain the plot of it to you. You have got to be fucking kidding me with that show. I'm sorry. Yeah. In the moment, it, there's some good stuff. And also, I just love those songs so much. Anyway, it's just so cringy and try hard. I mean, yes, it is both of those things. But then I will also say, even though I made fun of him and called him an inflotable flailing limb man, Elvis Costello is wonderful. He just shows up, man. What does he perform again?

It's a, um, he performs, let's misbehave. He is of the Robert Duval in Widow's School of like they showed up at Elvis Costello's house, man. I feel like every time we bring that up, that thing that I said about Robert Duval, I feel a little worse that I, like, it sounds like I'm saying, like, Robert Duval is an unrepentant racist, and I really don't believe that that is true. So, I don't know. I'm going to choose to keep believing it. I get to make that choice. We as gay people get to choose our own reality, yes. What did you think of Cheryl Crows begin the beginning? I mean, I don't really want to listen to Cheryl Crowe sing that kind of music, but she does a good job. I don't like that song.

It's kind of a droning kind of a song, right? It's just kind of snoozy. It's a very, like, it's, you know, it's endured that song, you know, if only it's, you know, it's kind of a peculiar title. I don't think too many people know what, you know, the begin is really beyond the fact of that song title. I had to look it up. It is actually a style of music and dance. similar to the rumba, according to the internet. So it's this lethargic song about starting to dance? I guess. Great.

Yeah, not my favorite moment. It reminded me also of the fact that Cheryl Crow had a bond theme, sandwiched in between two way better bond themes, and it don't think it's necessarily like, it's not necessarily her failing. Like, it's not her fault that her bond theme was in between. Tina Turner and Shirley Manson, like two of my favorites of like all time. But her Tomorrow Never Dies, I also felt was sort of similarly like kind of a snooze, right?

It would get worse. Well, of course it would get worse. But I'm just saying, like, for that particular moment. Sometimes things have to get worse to get better. And then got way worse again. That's the trajectory of modern Bond fans. good again. I like the Billy Eilish one. Can I tell you, much like

most Billy Elish songs, I've never heard it. You should listen to it. It is a good Bond song. I will listen. By the time that movie comes out, I will definitely listen to it. But like, that's not for many moons. So yeah, what else? I am going to predict right here, right now, on this podcast

that you will like it. I mean, I probably will. Like, I don't think that's, you know, I don't know if your odds are that. you know, lucrative, whatever, that you'll cash in on that. But yeah, what did you think of Diana Crawl's, what did she even perform? It was just one of those things. Right, right, right.

And then they had the scene where she's, like, boozily, like, hitting on Louis B. Mayor. I'm just like, I don't know. Don't make Diana Crawl do that. Like, can we talk about how Delovelie is an unofficial, um, Willith Fair? Yes, actually true, right, Alanis? Ironically, it is an unofficial Lill of Fair concert. Diana Crawl, yeah.

Like, you know who would have been great, actually, in this movie is Paula Cole? Oh, right? Oh, my God. With a flower in her hair, just like in the Melissa Etheridge duets that I will watch on YouTube forever and ever. Yeah, Paula Cole would have been rad. Why isn't Emmylou Harris in this movie? Why? Why isn't Linda Ronstat in this movie?

Apologies to Cheryl Crowe, but why wasn't that Sarah McLaugh? Brooklyn. Okay. Literally, we're just going to go through the entire their lineup and just decide if they should be in this movie or not. And just be like Joan Osborne, let's misbehave. Why? Why not? Like, why didn't that happen? You know how much I love Joan Osborne. Joan Osborne actually, I mean, you talk about a justice for whatever. Anytime I'm so, God, I'm a nightmare. Anytime anybody mentions Joan Osborne in the same breath is the term one hit wonder. I'm like, first of all,

and it's like 20 minutes later, and I've emerged from a fugues date because, like, I fucking love her. And she gets, she's so much more than what if God was one of us. God damn it. Um, whatever. Go look up her what becomes the brokenhearted

from standing in the shadows of Motter. Nicer to who? You? Not nicer. That's not what I meant to say. This is why you should not eye roll to stand culture because you have it in your, bones too, sir.

Yeah, but it's like, I stand better things. I don't know. I don't, what, oh, you're talking about, like, with the pop girls? I roll my eyes at Stan culture over, like, Ariana Grande. Not just the pop girls, I guess, but, you know. Yeah, yes, I do. I admit it. Listen, we all have our things.

I am settling quite nicely into the young, young Gen X sneers at the children thing. Yeah, I'm fine with that. I don't necessarily need to be young anymore. That's fine. You're an elder millennial. I'm sorry. I will never let you get away with saying you're Gen X.

I am. We're not having this argument again. I'm not an old millennial. Stop trying to make me an old anything. Yes. Anyway, where is Sean Colvin in this movie? Old millennial. I'll be an old mirf before I'm an old millennial.

Shut the fuck up. Anyway. I was trying to bring us back talking about Lisa Loeb. It will all, Lisa Loeb will always bring me back. So, yeah, Lisa Loeb also would have been a great vocalist in this. Absolutely, yeah. Can we talk about some of the other people who have also played the Lilith Fair before we bring it back to DeLuvelie? Anna Gastire.

Did they bring her on as her Lilifair comic from, from SNL? Was that the gag? Maybe. I think they probably was the gag. Wasn't that with Molly Shannon? No. No. It was just her.

She was Cinder Kell. It was on a minor stage. Dido. Oh, that's early Dido. Yeah. Thank you. You know, the explosion. Right. Well before there will be no white flag upon my door.

Right. Even before she sang the canonical theme song to Roswell. God, we're really talking about Roswell a lot these last few weeks, huh? And by we, I mean me. I would have loved to have seen Maya. Oh, Maya. Did she sing Take Me There? the iconic song from the Rugrats

movie? That would be rad. I think the Rugrats movie was after this, though. She was in 99, it looks like. Right. Was that my love is like woe, Maya? I don't know, but her love was like woe. It was like whoa. It's officially true. What else? Name some other Lilith fair names. I will have a sense memory of them. Tracy Bonham, I imagine, was probably Lilfair. I do believe I saw Tracy Bonham.

Meredith Brooks. Meredith Brooks was several years. Yeah. She just showed up and sang bitch and laughed, I guess. Would Image and Heep have been Lilifair? Did she sort of get popular after that? No, that was after. I don't see her, but I'm not looking at the year they tried to bring it back.

Oh, that doesn't count. I'm sorry, that doesn't count. Obviously, Jule was like an iconic founding memory. or obviously the indigo girls were like you know who wasn't alonis morissette right because she never went famously famously because you know who else never did little fair and kind of intentionally because i'm pretty sure they asked her was tory and alonis and tory toured together in the summer of 1999 and i saw them together and it was like nice but it was also like it was two shorter sets instead of like i would have rather either one of them perform a full set

and this was like prime like those were Tori's best live show years for me because that's when she started like like the singer songwriter stuff in like really like intimate contexts were great but if you're going to see her at like an outdoor amphitheater or whatever

which like this was a summer tour like this was the era to see her in because like she had the band and like the songs had these really sort of like fuller arrangements and it was really really fantastic that was the show that I saw at Darien Lake and Daryon Lake theme park in western New York, which is where drag queen Daryon Lake gets her name from,

where Tori's performing the waitress and stops in the middle of it to fully harangue an usher who was giving a hard time to a kid and absolutely like stops the show and it's just like, do you fucking mind? It was a whole thing. Anyway, it was quite the show. It was quite the show.

Anyway, yeah, so Alonis and Tori never did Lilifair because they did their own thing. Good for them. But obviously, like, Lilifair informs, it's funny, Lilifair informs so much of my personality. I never went to Lilith Fair because I didn't have any friends who I could have gone to Lilith Fair wish. You should have just con. I, well, that concept was foreign to me at 17 years old. Like, there was no way I was going to go to Lilip Fair on my own, closeted 17 year old. Like, that is, I would have been way, like, a far cooler and more self-possessed person than what I was to do that.

Like, I'm telling you, pre-pendemic, I was all in on going to concerts by myself. Ever since I saw Mitzki alone, it was amazing. I love that for going to concerts alone. Honestly, for, like, for as much as the concept of going to a movie alone was also so foreign to me until I moved to New York City. and then I was like, what the fuck was my problem? This is the best way to see a movie. Like, I fully believe that that is true about going to concerts alone. But now I'm well past my going to concerts years.

Like, that is the thing of the past, past, past. So, but yeah, I wish I would have gone to have seen a little of fair show. That's, like, one of my great regrets. I know. That was, like, the summer that I was, like, you know, unselfaware, tiny homosexual. who, well, not so tiny. I mean, preteen, preteen, preteen. Yeah, I was a tiny, unaware, teenage homosexual.

I wanted to go to the Spice Girls in Lilith Fair, and I had no concept of concerts costing money, selling out. Yeah. Neither happened. That's why I'm bitter today. Well, many reasons why. I do think Lilith Fair would be one of my time machine options. You know, you get a time team. You don't go back and change anything.

It doesn't affect history. You don't fucking anything. up, but you can go and experience something. I do think I would choose Lilifair if you were given like three. I'd make sure to go, because you know the lineups sort of changed from like city to city. Like Sarah McLaughlin was at all of them. I'm, I'm not going to be a fool about this. I'm going to go to the good one. I'm going to one where Fiona's there. I was just about to say I would make sure that I would go to one where Fiona Apple was there. Yeah. Because I don't think she did that many. No. And it was only the one year that she did it. Now all I'm thinking of is those

entertainment weekly covers in consecutive years that were Lilithra, and I'm trying to remember who was on each of them. Because the very first year was like Sarah, Fiona, Joan Osborne, and Cheryl, I think. Feel free to look this up to check my facts. And then the second year was Sarah Missy Elliott, because Missy Elliott was famously part of the group for the second one. Who would have been? Because the first lineup was white as hell.

Right, right. That was a big, big. criticism of that. Pretty sure it's just Tracy Chapman and India Are you of the headliners that weren't white? Yes. That sounds about right. Wait, so that second cover, Sarah McLaughlin, Natalie Merchant? Possibly.

Are you looking at it? She's on the first list of headliners. Oh, okay. All right. I'm going to look up the covers and see if I'm right once I'm done guessing. I think the second, I think the first one is Sarah McLaughlin, Cheryl, Joan Osborne, Fiona, Apple. I think the second one is Sarah McLaughlin,

Missy, Elliott, Natalie Merchant, and let's say, Paula Cole. And now I will look this up. This whole episode has been derailed to become a Lilith Fair side quest. Okay, okay. But justice for me, I nailed it almost exactly. The first one is exactly right.

Sarah McLaughlin, Cheryl Crow, Fiona, Fiona, Apple, Joan Osborne. The second one is, like I said, Sarah McLaughlin, Missy Elliott, Natalie, Merchant, Paula Cole, but there's a fifth, and I guess who the fifth is? Is it a returning person? That I am not sure of, but this is like... But it's not returning from the previous cover.

No, not from the previous cover. Very much like indie, like indie rock queen who like had like at this point in her career was just starting to go a little popier, like a little popier. she would go further popular Liz Fair is exactly right, yes I'm very impressed at my recollection for that I'm not going to brag but I'm going to brag like yes I will put it up on our Tumblr

yeah all right anyway back to what are we talking about Deloveli okay delightful delicious DeLith Fair Yes all right We should talk about the awards that this movie was up for because like it was definitely in the award season conversation on a lot of kind of friends. It got two Golden Globe nominations, one for Ashley Judd and one for Kevin Klein, both in the

musical or comedy section. RIP actors and actresses in musical movies now who just are not going to get that one little stray nomination anymore because the Golden Globes done fucked it up for everybody. Really is too bad. I'm not going to stop. I'm not going to stop bitching about this. If you think that people are not getting nominated for musicales, anymore. I think that's not going to bear out. I'm not, wait, Chris. You won't get James Corden nominated for the prom anymore, and I think we can celebrate that. Yeah, but you also won't get Kevin Klein and Ashley Judd being nominated for DeLevely anymore. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. Do you know what I mean? You also won't get, like, for as much as, you know, like, Into the Woods is not

great. Like, Emily Blunt getting nominated for Into the Woods, I'm happy with. Like, and it wasn't going to happen at the Oscars. Like, I'm just saying, there is a middle class of movie musicals that are just going to not, again, Anthony Ramos had a Golden Globe nomination already, like, engraved on an envelope for him. And if we don't have a Golden Globes this year, it's not going to happen because he's not going to get an Oscar nomination, and it's going to bum me the fuck out. Well, that's all I'm saying. Well, we are going to have something else rise up that is not you keep saying that you keep saying that i will believe it when i see it all right um golden globe nominations that year so ashley judd is nominated that's an odd that's an odd odd category

for musical or comedy that year the two who were nominated i don't think it's that odd i do i think it feels odd because that is a winner that while we talk about that actress we do not talk about that performance we do not talk about that movie right that it has That's what I mean. That's what I mean. That movie doesn't exist anymore. Being Julia is not a real movie. Right. And that bending wins for Being Julia. She is nominally the biggest competition for Hillary Swank. In reality, there was no biggest competition for Hillary Swank. There was no way she was not winning that Oscar. Also nominated for comedy is Kate Winsley de Turner's on Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

The best performance in that game. Huge bummer. She did not win that trophy. Right. But again, Globe voters being Globe voters, that wasn't going to happen. That was that nomination, you know, was kind of the reward for that. We have two nominees for musicals, one of whom being Ashley Judd and DeLevelie, the other being iconic Emmy Rossum in the Phantom of the Opera, who nothing about that movie is good. But, you know, I stick up for Emmy Rossum in other contexts. I do not stick up for Emmy Rossum in the context of Minnie Driver shading her into the earth. I was just about to mention that.

Yes, absolutely. We stand with Minnie on that one. for sure um go what was even the context of that discussion where mini driver like she was talking about actors that go big and she remembers one time a no she was talking was she talking about joel schumacher somehow it was very easy to discover that she was talking about emmy rossum yes um oh this is the the print interview that she did yes about phantom of the opera or someone saying or on twitter right yes it was on twitter a fellow

co-star said that Mini Driver, she, was going over the top, and the director said, we don't pay you to go under the top. That's right. It was after Jill Schumacher had died, and it was about her, yes, another actor on Phantom of the Opera was complaining about her going to over the top. Obviously, she was talking about Emmy Rossum, because someone then unearthed a clip from a THR roundtable from the year that Mini Driver was nominated for the riches and... Mini Driver basically shoving, like, the entire table in her mouth to prevent herself from saying, shut the fuck up. Right.

Emmy Rossum is one of those, again, I love her in many contexts. I think her performance on Shameless was fantastic. I also love her in the film, Beautiful Creatures. Yes, we do like Emmy Rossum. But Emmy Rossum at that THR roundtable was so up her ass about, like, her thoughts and feelings about being an actress and would, like, kind of go on and on and on and on. And there were just so many moments of, like, Mini Driver, like, basically rolling her eyes at her and basically, and, oh, I think it was the one where, um, I think, I literally think that Emmy Rossum was just like, I think drama is harder than comedy. And Mini Driver's like, you think so? Like, it was very much kind of like that. I could be wrong about the specifics of it. Okay. So, like, everything about those roundtables, we haven't talked about a roundtable in a while. One of the most, like, annoying things about Roundtable is, like, people.

taking screenshots of serious faces and, like, taking them out of context and then immediately telling people, oh, this is what they mean by this. This is what they're thinking. Blah, blah, blah, blah. It is only true for Minnie Driver. You know exactly what she is thinking the whole time. My favorite of those, though, all of the, like, over-the-shoulder shots of Glenn Close staring at Lady Gaga at the 2018 roundtable, like, those were all funny. Like, I thought those were all like incredibly good. I have no idea what Isabella Pair we are talking about

here in terms of turning it entirely into my own. Yeah, I can't imagine somebody turning an actress's reactions at a roundtable into a meme, Chris. I can't imagine somebody to do that. That's the joke, darling. The joke is that aside from just giving

gold at every expression, the joke is that everybody thinks they know what someone means in those roundtables, and you don't fucking know. Listen, all I am saying is if a day goes by that you don't send me an Isabelle Luper

roundtable reaction meme, I'm going to send the paramedics to your home to make sure that everything is okay. Just so you know, I've got some good ones saved that I have not unleashed onto the world. All right, anyway, the fifth nominee that year was Renée Zelleweger

for the horribly received Bridget Jones sequel, Bridget Jones, the edge of reason. Yes, I think that is a fairly insane category, like top to bottom. The variance from good to terrible is vast and the fact that the least, probably the least memorable film of all of them is the one that won the prize for Net Benning that year. Yes. Kevin Klein on the mail side, I feel like that's a more explicable category just because you have

Jamie Fox, the runaway Oscar winner that year. You have Paul Giamatti, who was very likely. sixth place for best actor that year for Sideways. Jim Carrey for Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, his most unheralded performance, which is bizarre because he's fantastic in that movie. All of the buzz went to Kate Winslet in that movie, and she's great, but it's Jim Carrey's best work.

It's better than the two films he won Golden Globes for. Like, it's... He's fantastic. He's fantastic in that movie. And then, of course, the sore thumb in this category is Kevin Spacey for Beyond the Sea. And I know we just did a Kevin Spacey movie and we're not, you know, hankering to do another one soon.

But at some point, I'm going to force you to do Beyond the Sea because that movie is goddamn bonkers. It's absolutely out of its body. The idea, the ego, because he directed that movie, right? That entire movie is just runaway ego. The audacity. Yes. For Kevin Spacey.

Yes. On top of being a monster, to cast himself as Bobby Darren, Like, have you seen what Bobby Darren looked like? Kevin Spacey directed, co-produced, co-wrote, and starred in that movie. Like, that was his, like, that was his baby. That was his, like, life's work or whatever to, like, play Bobby Darren, a role that he is thoroughly unfit to play. It's, it's wild, and it's so bad.

It's just genuinely so terrible. We have to do it at some point, is all I'm going to say. Yeah. Klein and Judd in both of those categories. are very much just like, I'm just going to sit here and I'm going to have a cocktail and I'm going to watch the like chaos surrounding me. Nobody thought that they were going to win. It was like the honor was definitely just to be nominated. But I'm glad that they both were.

Yeah. I mean, it just like completely would have fizzled out from the summer, which like this is as a counter programming movie, this movie made $13 million, which some things that we talk about, it's like that's not a lot of money. But for this movie, like, this movie did well. Yeah. This was a MGM movie, which we, you know, there are precious few that... Well, and I went back and looked, and it had been since leaving Las Vegas, excluding Bowling for Columbine, which is its own thing. Right. MGM wasn't nominated for anything for a decade.

Yeah. Oh, that's wild. Now I want to look that up. That's incredible. That's an incredible stat. Jesus Christ. That's 10 years. That's almost exactly.

It's nine years. But go and look at, like, the kind of movies that they were making. They were making a lot of bombs, and they were making a lot of, like, mid-range pictures. Right. Their 2004 lineup was Barbershop 2, Agent Cody Banks 2, Destination London, Walking Tall, the remake starring The Rock and Johnny Knoxville, Soulplane. Sleepover Which I don't know if I That seems like it's like a teen

Girl comedy thing Wicker Park Which was a Josh Hartnett thriller I believe Oh and Rosebner thriller Right that was the other movie Besides Troy that Roseburn and Diane Kruger were in together That's a trivia question I shouldn't give away actually

That's a great trivia question Is what were the two movies in 2004 that starred Roseburn and Diane Krueger, nobody would ever get the second one. And then that's their two... And then DeLeveli. That's their 2004. Yeah, that's wild. What would be their next

Oscar nominee, I wonder? I could go back and look. It's going to be interesting, like, the whole history and the ebbs and flows and the constant, like, bankruptcy, you know, threat of bankruptcy for MGM is, like, so much history that even

I do not have. But it's really interesting seeing, especially with the partnership that I'm still not quite sure what it is, if it's existing in name or not, with Annapurna that's happening. Like, we will absolutely have an MGM United Artists Oscar nominee this year. They have House of Gucci. They have, what else do they have? MGM will exist in some form. It's going by United Artists now.

I don't think that. I think it's like MGM is the production company, but United Artists is distribution. But this is what I mean. Like, MGM as a brand will exist in some form probably forever. But, like, whether it does anything, you know what I mean? Like, whether it's just sort of a, you know, a... Like how Orion has for the past 30 years. I feel like I'm seeing Orion more and more, though, now as, like, a legit...

They've had some VOD successes. They had God's own country. Right. They're going to be releasing Gerard Carmichael's movie. Oh, the one that I didn't like very much at Sundance? Me either. Yeah, it's too bad. Although, again, Justice for Christopher Abbott, he's great and everything.

Most importantly, delightful, delicious de lovely won de movies for grown-ups. Best movie Time Capsule. Is that a category they have every year? Was that just like that year? I think they bring it back sometimes. times, but they always put some unhinged shit in this. Okay, so DeLovily Wins, Best Movie Time Capsule. That's appropriate, right?

Other nominees, The Aviator, Beyond the Sea, The Notebook, you understand all of those. What was the other movie nominated? Vera Drake. Best Time Capsule. Psychotic. Don't we all long for the days of... When you used to get a back alley abortion from a nice little old lady. Like, what are you?

are they talking about those were the days chris those were the good old days yeah that's insane that's wild also again the notebook remember those idyllic old days where your mother like refused to allow you to see a boy like but that's like a sentimental movie it literally goes back in time like i understand that nomination remember being lost in your memories because you have dementia and you can't recognize who your husband is. Yes, yes, it's very... I love the movies for grown-ups. They are truly a...

They are a major precursor award. We will make sure that everybody treats them as such. But this is always one of those categories that drives me... It's just... It's so unwell and so funny, and that's what keeps them fun. Didn't they give, like, best buddy picture to defive bloods last year? Yes. I mean, technically...

They were all buddies. It's a movie about friends. It's about friendship. They're all friends. They're all friends. Fighting in war. You take issue with it. Healing with trauma from war.

I will be here. Happy that somebody gave an award to defive bloods. Absolutely. No one else was going to do it. Our precious M4Gs did. So they also got a costume designer's guild for period costumes, which is combined with fantasy costumes, which is why it lost to lemony Snicket's a series of unfortunate events. which also won the Oscar, I'm pretty sure, because that was the year that those awards were handed out in the aisles, in the back of the theater, and the poor Lemini Snicket people couldn't even step up on an award stage.

You have a thing here in our outline that it got a Grammy nomination for compilation soundtrack, and you want me to guess who the winner was. I do want you to guess the winner of the Grammy. It did not win Critics' Choice soundtrack for this movie, but I will say, was nominated for Critics Choice soundtrack. So, like, this soundtrack was kind of like... Ray won as it should have. This soundtrack was, like, very celebrated, obviously, because it's like, you know, a bunch of famous singing the Great American songbook as

written by Cole Porter. All right. So the Grammys are famously, their, like, eligibility window is the craziest. October to October. I will say, the winner is a 2004 movie. The Lovely is in there. It's 2004. There's two other 2004 movies nominated and one 2003 nominee.

You can absolutely guess what 2003 was. The 2003 soundtrack? Yes. Lost, no, not lost in translation. Is it like Lord of the Rings? No. That might have been the year before. It's Cold Mountain.

Oh, God. Jesus Christ. Of course. Because it's... Because you will be my name true love. Well, and the Grammys will be cold, cold in the ground if they don't nominate an Allison Krause anything. Like, if Allison Krause is involved, anything. Like, they will nominate it.

So, yeah. And also Sting. And if it has both of them, like, step the fuck out of the way, because they will mow you down to get a Grammy to that. Okay. Is the winner Garden State? It's Gardens. Ah, ha, ha, ha. Garden State has a Grammy.

Congratulations on your one step to your EGOT, Zach. Wow. Yeah. Wow. I wonder if I tried to quiz somebody if which of the four of an egot Zach Braff has. I don't think that they would get to... That would be a great trivia round. It's people who only have one of the four egots and you have to guess which one. We need to build this. We do need to talk about building a trivia together because I have a great category. We should do. We should try and see if we can do this had Oscar Buzz trivia. event for over a Zoom or something like that. For like charity?

Or just like to let people play. Like I don't think we have to involve money at all. But like charity would also work. I love charity. But yeah, just, you know, for the fun of it. Okay. I love how you said charity and I was like, no. Wait a second.

What the fuck is that? No, of course. Like, yes, charity. Fine. Yes, of course. We love charity. I'm so nervous when it comes to like money changing hands on things like that. I'm like, I do not want to be responsible for money.

But yes. Anyway, I want to live, Chris. I just want to live. I just want us all to share resources and live. Well, I'm glad I guessed that one, right? Is there anything else you want to talk about about good old delivery? Um, I can't really think. I mean, like, I feel like biopics are like the most obvious thing for us to talk about,

but like, they can be the hardest thing to talk about. Yes. because it's just like it's a lot of the same shit it's a lot of the same shit did we think that Linda had the consumption in this like I don't know if they ever specify what kind of I believe Linda died of emphysema okay all right because she definitely

definitely does the biopic thing of like if she coughs at the hour mark she will be dead by that cough by the hour 45 mark like yes that's a rule I know this happened to a real person but like yes some of the movie looks really good

The final shot of this movie is stunning. It's beautiful. Wait, remind me. It's, they're doing in the still of the night at the piano, and it's the two of them, it's very, like, whispery, and the lights are slowly just, like, going down on them. It's very, it's like, you know, you want a little bit more of that theatricality

and the rest of the movie and the way that we've talked about. How did we like... We didn't really talk about, um, screenwriter Jay Cox, who has multiple Oscar nominee, both for Scorsese movies, and is like, he doesn't have a lot of screenplays, but the biggest ones are all Scorsese movies. Yeah, he's one of Scorsese's kind of go-to screenwriters,

sort of along with John Logan in that way. He has writer or co-writer on The Age of Innocence, Gangs of New York. Gangs of New York, which was that, like, famously, like, obviously that movie went through revision after revision after revision. He is on a con... He is credited on the soundtrack along with Kenneth Launergan and Stephen Zalian. So, like, clearly that movie,

went through several rounds of what script is this actually going to be, and Lord knows what the arbitration was on that one, but that was what the credit ended up being. And then his most recent screenplay credit for a Scorsese movie is Silence, which I remember really liking at the time, and now I wonder if that was more stubborn defiance over me being like, yes, I will like a Scorsese movie, just not like the one that you like, you assholes. like, I was still sort of like acting out from my Wolf of Wall Street petulance or whatever. But like, I remember

really liking silence and now I don't remember very much about silence. It's incredible. I remember thinking that. I mean, like, it's a day. It is. Yes. Even though it's like not as long as other Scorsese movies, it's just like, it's taxing. It's a long time to watch Andrew Garfield

waste away than nothing. Right. And I feel like that was a year where, because wasn't that also the same year as the Angelina Jolie movie that was also about watching Handsome Boys Waste Away to Nothing? No, Unbroken was the year before. I see. Okay. Well, anyway. Or two years before, maybe.

Was it? God, my sense of timing is gone. Silence is 2016, which is the year of like, here's a bunch of two hour and 45 minute movies for you to get at the very end of the season. Well, that was also the year that, like, Andrew Garfield was nominated for fully the wrong

movie. Right. Because he got nominated for Hacksaw Ridge that year, which stands as his only Oscar nomination. Of course, until he gets nominated for playing Jim Baker and The Eyes of Tammy Faye, which... Wait, I cannot wait. I'm so excited. It looks incredible. It looks absolutely incredible. I am so glad that people are on board. I was like, I'm going to be on an island. And people are going to be like, you have bad taste because you're excited for this, and I'm going to be like, I know.

Shut up. We have established this. Jay Cox's other major screenplay credit, by the way, that is not DeLovely or any of the Scorsese's, is Jay Cox and James Cameron are credited with the Strange Days soundtrack, which I imagine means they have a original concept by credit on this new Lisa Joy movie that looks fully like a rip-off of both Strange Days and Inception. the Hugh Jackman thing whose title I can never remember

because it's like Reminiscence? That's it, reminiscence. You have to remember the title. Yeah, ironic isn't it? Reminiscence. Yeah. Strange Days is rad, though.

Strange Days is like tough, but like, that's a real interesting movie. Mm-hmm. Angela Bassett rules in that movie. Angela Bassett is full iconic. Juliette Lewis also fucking rule. in that movie. Like, she is, I mean, we talked about a couple weeks ago, like, Kate Blanchett playing, like, a ripped fishnet of a character.

Like, Juliette Lewis is, like, a discarded wig that you put back on your head, like, in that movie. She is... She's so fantastic. A neon unitarred of a character. I want to go back and watch Strange Days. I have too much to do this week. It's hard to get a hold of. I got it through my library.

You and your library, man. Listen, anytime people are like, when did you, how did you watch this movie? It's always library. It's always library. Yeah. And also Netflix discs. Yeah, well, that's my, that's my secret weapon is where you get that movie,

Netflix discs, always. That's how I'm going to see bedrooms and hallways. Thank you for reminding me of that. I'm going to add that right now. Any other notes on DeLlovely? all my notes are on a scandal, so I don't know if, uh, that's my new, my gems are, my gems are uncut, uh, is, uh, my notes. My notes on a scandal. Um, no, I kind of, what if the notes app was just, um, instead of like the, like, papery looking background, it was actually

in Judy Dench's handwriting in the notes app. Oh, better. Notes app on a scandal. No. Okay, but that's like that's definitely literally every scandal that's the gay remake of uh like the the gay male uh i should say remake of uh notes on a scandal is notes app on a excuse me i'm gonna tweet it right now and of course benjamin's holidays is not even available on netflix discs this is a trabistee support your local library all right um yeah i think that's kind of uh that's i've exhausted my uh my my my quiver on uh on thoughts about de lovely i thought

it was okay and i like i hate that like when it's that's my ultimate you know feeling on a movie because i feel like it's a cop out but like you know Libya is a land of contrast is my feeling about uh about de lovely all right should we move on to the i mdb game Hey, let's... Would you like to get into the whole delightful, delicious rules? Yes, so every week we end our episodes with something we like to call the IMDB game. How did we come up with this name? You'll never guess.

Where we challenge each other with an actor or actress to try and guess the top four titles that IMDB says they are most known for, if any of those titles are television, perhaps voice-only performances, perhaps a non-acting credit for a movie that they are not in as an actor. We mentioned that up front. After two wrong guesses, we get the remaining titles release years as a clue. If that is not enough,

it becomes a free-for-all of hints on hints on hints. And that's the IMDB game, honey. Should have made you sing that verse. Absolutely not. Elvis Costillo doing, let's misbehave. Wouldn't do it, would not do it, would not subject our listeners to me doing that. No. I think they'd like it.

Oh, no. Oh, they would not. All right. That's the IMDB. All right. Cool. Would you like to give her guest first this week, my friend? I will give first.

So, as we've established, I love me some Ashley Judd. I've loved Ashley Judd forever. First thing I ever saw her in. is a show I mentioned quite a bit on this podcast, if you are a long-time listener. The show, did she do TV? She did. She was on the seminal NBC primetime drama Sisters, where she played. I'm pretty sure the daughter of Suzy Kurtz's character.

Now, as I've mentioned, many a time, I'm not giving you Suzy Kurtz, although I could, and that would be amazing. Sisters was a show about four sisters in a small town in Illinois who have very sort of like soapy goings on and it's Swussy Kurtz and Julianne Phillips who at the time was basically famous for being Bruce Springsteen's ex-wife and Patricia Kalember and the woman that I am going to give you the most sort of problematic slash most dramatic and wonderful. And the one who won an Emmy for sisters,

I'm going to give you Ms. Cila Ward. Oh, God, I would have rather you gave me Swoozy Kurtz. How much TV is it? CEL Award has to be all TV. CEL Award is no TV. Not sisters, not now and again, the other TV show for which she has won an Emmy Award. No, it is four films.

Let me look up Suzy Kurtz and see if I might give you the option to, to, to, if you, if, if I give you Susie Kurtz, but, if I give you Susie Kurtz, we need to do like a, we'll do a free for all of hints on Seal Award though, because like I feel like you could get Seala. Suzy is harder as far as I'm concerned, but like have at it. Do Suzy Kurtz. I mean, maybe I would. There's also no television for Suzy Kurtz.

I would figure there's no television for Swozy Kurtz. See, it could be cruel and. intentions or dangerous liaisons or both and I think do I want to say both she is in dangerous liaisons right now I'm double guessing myself um we are not at the free for all of hints portion I'm going to say both it's one of them it is cruel intentions she is in dangerous liaisons but it is not on her known floor so that is one strike against you um Uh, liar, liar. Yes.

I never remember her being in liar or liar. Who was she in liar or liar? She is the opposite, uh, legal team in the divorce. Oh, right. I do remember that. Okay. Very good. Yes.

All right. So you have two. Um, citizen Ruth. No, although should be, honestly. Two strikes. All right. So your remaining years are going to be 1994 and 2000. Okay, so 94 is before, liar, liar.

Yes. But after dangerous liaisons, what was the other one you said? 2001. Which would be after cruel intentions. 94. Huh. Oh, wait. what is that movie

where James van der Beek is bad and Jessica Beale I think does like ecstasy Oh yeah The Brett East and Ellis movie That's the 2001 one No you're thinking of the Rules of Attraction That's a 2002 movie

But she's definitely in that Because she and Faye Dunaway Like get snackered on the martini Exactly Yeah Yes Yeah That sounds like a great time

It does And while they do that, their sons are, like, fucking each other in a hotel room. One of whom is Ian Summerhal. Yeah. God, that movie got me so fucking horny at that age. Jesus Christ. Okay, maybe I, well, no, I shouldn't have stuck with Seal Award because I only had, like, one movie in my mind that she was in. All right.

Huh. Okay. I might need some help. All right. So the 1994 movie is a movie that I absolutely love. It is a, it's like, we throw the term iconic around a lot lately, but like in terms of a movie that like crystallized an entire type of person. And like it crystallized like at least two types of people in this film.

It is a quintessential performance. for its lead actress. It also has an incredibly well-selling soundtrack album that, like, everybody owned back in. For an actress, 1994. You're being very effusive, so I'm taking it that you like this movie. I love this movie. A lot of people don't, but I think more people do. Soundtracks in 1994 with an actress, and it's iconic for that actress.

It's not clueless. No. Clueless was 95. Okay. Poster. Oh, yeah, because it just had an anniversary. Poster is the main love triangle of this film with the woman in the middle and a man fucking on either side. It's reality bites.

It's reality bites. It's reality bites. I should have gotten that sooner. I was going to say, like, don't make me have to go to the, this actress also got an Oscar nomination that year route because that would have made it too easy. But yes. Reality Bites. Swozy plays Winona Ryder's mother. in reality bites.

And she calls her sugarburger. Yeah. I know. I should have it sooner. Should I got it sooner. All right. The 2001 movie I've actually never seen, although it was sort of heavily advertised. It was kind of, I believe it was kind of a success, but it like mostly famous for the fact that it features an actor who is like just about to blow up big.

And in 2001. 2001, yeah. He's a one-time Oscar nominee. A lot of people feel like. he should be a two-time Oscar nominee for a particular film, but not for this film. This movie comes out in the same year as his other big breakthrough movies. So, like, there were two breakthrough movies. This is the one that's, like, not as respected, but I feel like, at least theatrically, more people saw.

This is the comedy. The other one's, like, a supernatural drama. And it's a comedy hit? I mean, not like a smash, but, like, I believe it made some money. Hold on. Let me look up. Maybe I'm wrong. But it's like a dumb comedy because it's not respected. Oh, yeah. It's real dumb.

Oh, so it's like, is it bad? Again, I've never seen it. Oh, no, it didn't make a lot of money. That's so weird. I remember it being like advertised a lot. So maybe it just like kind of flopped. And it was not, it was a rotten tomato rotten movie. So I guess maybe I'm overselling it a little. bit, but, like, you've definitely heard about this.

Like, um, based on, not based on, but like... Two big movies. One that was not... Okay, but you looked up the money that it made. Were you wrong? And the other movie made more money? Well, the other movie kind of... Let me look it up. Really quickly. The other movie made like more money, but like, by like, a million dollars. So, like, they both made the exact same amount of not very much money. The second movie, though, was, like, hamstrung by a confluence of world events with its release.

And if you follow what year, we're talking... Oh, it was a September 11th movie? Yes. And the movie that Swozy Kurtz was in was not a September 11th movie. No. That was a... August. It was released three days after my 21st birthday. Oh, you should have gone to see this. Eh, that'd have probably been fine.

I imagine she plays this main character's mother in this movie. It looks like it, yes. Well, it's not glitter. No. This main character, this main character has a specific set of circumstances about him that dovetail with an episode of Seinfeld that also had a character with this particular set of circumstances. I am outing myself as someone who hasn't seen a ton of sign, though. That's fine. You're too young.

I saw the English Patient episode, and I was like, fuck this. Most Patient's great. Think of like, I'm going to get it. I'm going to get it. You said it's a supernatural movie. Was it a horror movie released around 9-11? Yeah, but that's not the movie we're talking about. But yes, this actor, this actor's other 2001 movie,

I think this is how I'm going to get it Was like horror inflected There's a lot of horror tropes in it I don't know if I would necessarily call it A horror movie per se But like I'm sure its genre is listed as like Like Drama Horror Supernatural kind of a thing

It's it's kind of an amalgam of It's like it was very very The lead actor had these two lead roles like back to back Yeah and it really like the second one Like fully like that's how we got cast and, like, everything, essentially. Wait. It's a very brainy, like, it's like, it has a lot of ideas.

Is it Donnie Darko? Yeah. So it's Jake Gyllenhaal. Is it fucking Bubble Boy? Yes. There, there. Follow those breadcrumbs back to Bubble Boy. Yes.

I knew Donnie Darko from September 11th because I saw Donnie Darko in the theater shortly after September. I was, I literally thought you were going to say on September 11th. I would have flipped. No, I don't think it was released yet, but, like, I remember that being one of those, like, somber, uh, moviegoing experiences. All right. I'm going to very quickly guide you through the, the seal award one. Was that shortly after September 11th? Either way, I got there.

Bubble boy. I've never seen it. It's supposedly very dumb, but I think, like, you made me think about it. All right, anyway. All of my clues were very accurate. All right. I know. Seal award.

That was very difficult. Thank you. One of which is a movie. that you love, and I also love. Gone girl's the only thing I can think of. That's the one. That's the one. Okay.

She's also in a Best Picture nominee from the 90s that is great, that stars a massive movie star. That's one of those, like, they really don't make movies like that anymore kind of movies. A winner, you said? No, a Best Picture nominee. Oh, a nominee. Yeah. from the early 90s starring a massive movie star

it's like a huge like star vehicle like crowd pleaser blockbuster um was an acting winner but not for this uh

Jerry McGuire no no Jerry McGuire is more mid 90s yeah um she plays a very pivotal role in this film, even though she's not in it very much at all.

Oh, okay, the fugitive. The fugitive. She plays Harrison Ford's wife. God, she was in that movie. All right. One of them, the most recent one on there, is a sequel to an incredibly successful film, but the sequel was, like, widely loathed. Hmm.

Like, and it came. Like, decades after the original. Decades after, is it, it's not one of the Rockies because they, none of them were... No, there was nothing in between them. This is the second film. This is the direct sequel. Oh, it's Independence Day. It's Independence Day resurgence. I was thinking about that sequel recently. I was like, we really made a whole... I still never saw it. sequel. She does play the president of the United States. She plays the president, so I approve of that. All right. The hardest one to get is from 2009. She, um, uh, I imagine she plays the mother of the main character. The main character who was like the star of a teen soap, primetime teen soap in the, in the a aughts that is very much in the ether today.

for reasons. Gossip girl? Yes. The mother of like Blake lively? No. Leicester? No. Chase Crawford?

No, you're circling it. You're circle in the parking lot. That open space is available to you somewhere. Who? Who? Who else? Who else? You've literally, you've got one more to go.

Like, that's. You've named three of the four leads of that show. Who have I forgotten? The other guy. Yeah. What's his name? The titular gossip girl. Ah.

Not the go-piss girl. That weird meme for how long? You know who he is. You know his name. It's not coming to me. What is his name? Penn Badgley. Pen Badgley.

Wouldn't have guessed that in a million years. Yes, you would have. All right. I didn't watch that show. Still. Again, I'm outing myself on, you know, having a certain blind spot. All right. So this movie was a remake of a horror thriller from, I want to say, like, if not the late 70s, maybe early 80s or whatever, that had starred Terry O'Quinn.

Oh, oh, the stepfather. Stepfather. Remember the remake of the stepfather? Oh, it was 87. I guess it was not as old as I thought. You see Terry Quinn's penis in that movie. Really? You do.

All right, yeah. So, Cila Ward plays Ben Badgeley's mother in the remake of the stepfather that is somehow in her known for, and not, again, either of the two shows that she's won Emmy Awards for, Justice for Television. Also, not the day after tomorrow, which was, A, a big hit, and B, she has no smaller of a role in that movie as she does in probably the stepfather like I don't know what else could be on seal awards

54 I mean this had Oscar Buzz certified film 54 that she's in what else seal awards in so much I'm glad Gone Girls on there though because she is one of yeah she's great

every performance in that movie is perfect I'm not going to say she's like one of a few perfect performances in that movie. No, but like, everyone in that movie is exactly who they should be. Gone Girl is they understood the assignment, the movie. Like, everybody in that movie, including David Fincher, like, everybody, like, is exactly, like, that is a feat of everybody being on the same page. I will say that. People who say that it's the best Fincher movie are not wrong.

I mean, I don't know if I'm equipped to list the best Fincher movies at this point. Like, that's going to take a lot of sitting down and thinking. but, like, is up there, is real up there. Zodiac exists, so I don't know if I would be able to say. Yeah, I mean, Zodiac is the one. Yeah, but, like, yeah, is up. Catch me on the right day. Yeah.

I should watch that movie again soon, Gone Girl. Like, I deserve another Gone Girl watch. All right, anyway, give me your, uh, give me your IMDB game selection. I, um, naturally went back to the Lilith there lineups to find someone for you. However, I did not go as evil as Seal Award or Swozy. hurts on you. I went with someone who is actually a star as well as a musician. Thought we had done this, but apparently we have not.

For you, I have chosen one of the Lilith there headliners, Queen Latifah. Oh, fascinating. All film. All films. All right. Well, Chicago. Chicago. her Oscar nomination

All right Bringing down the house Bringing down the house Which she is also listed as a producer for Right, sure All right People forget I mean like we don't talk about that movie

And mostly because it's horrible And really offensive But like that movie made a shit ton of money Oh it made so much money It was such a huge hit Was there a sequel? There was right? I think so

I think so I think it was that kind of a hit You know honestly though? you know who made a lot of fucking hit movies that we kind of scratch our head at is Steve Martin. Like Steve Martin's movies, he was bankable for a very long time. It's really surprising. Justice for House Sitter. I was talking about that movie just the other day. Who was I talking to?

I think I was talking to Matt Jacobs and Kevin Fallon about that, about how I had a VHS tape that when I had HBO Free Preview weekend, I had recorded Sister Act and House Sitter on. And it was one of my most beloved VHS tapes. Oh, my God, that's like a perfect, like, everybody doing. like drive-ins on their patios or on their balconies. Like, that's the drive-in that you and I need. We need to see Sister Act and House Sitter. I need to recreate that experience.

Yes. All right. Perfect pairing. Okay. You would show Sister Act first and then and then House Sitter. Yeah. All right. All right.

So I'm going to, I'm not fully confident in this, but I'm going to guess girls' trip. No. Damn it. Great guess, though. Yeah. It absolutely should be there It should be there That's what I should treat myself with soon

And rewatch that Yeah The movie makes me happy Bootyhole All right Queen Latifa All right Can't give you any hints

Because you only have one wrong guess so far Is Set It Off one of them? No Set It Off should also be on there So your years are 2004 and 2007. Okay. Is one of them the secret life of bees?

No. Is that even match up with any of those two years? Let me look. I will say, like, you, I'm sure people are screaming at you. There is an IMP. There's a very obvious one. Oh, of course it is. It's hairspray.

It's hairspray. Everybody on the poster of hairspray. Of course. Yes, yes, yes. It was staring me in the face. I knew I would get it eventually. All right, 2004. I'm trying to find Secret Life of Bees.

That might have been 08, actually. I need to see The Secret Life of Bees. Do you? Yes, it is 08. Okay. So we're still doing 2004. You've mentioned multiple movies that should be on her known for, that are great movies.

This movie should not be on this known for. It's not taxi, is it? I regret to inform you that it's a taxi. What? Wow. Taxi. Jesus. You know what movie made some money? Taxi, yeah. Taxi.

I don't think it made, like, huge money. Well, wait, maybe this is the episode where we talk about, like, that movie made money. Like, Bubble Boy made money, right? No. Yeah. Hold on. Let me see what taxi says it made. No, it has a $70 million worldwide gross. It did not make money.

We are knocking it out of the park this pride weekend, my friend. We are showing ourselves to be on the ball, on the ball. Listen, we don't know straight culture. We don't know taxi. We don't know Bubble Boy. You know, that is outside of our veil of experience. Our Queen Latifah is instead it off in Girl's Trip. And Living Out Loud.

Living Out Loud is wonderful. Yep. That movie is good. There's a whole lesbian dance sequence. that Holly Hunter does choreography to. What else do you want? Some say that Seller Door is the most beautiful phrase in the English language. I say lesbian dance sequence is the most beautiful phrase.

Speaking of Donnie Darko, that's Drew Barrymore. Get off the stage, Sherita. Drew Barrymore saying, Thelder Door is, I was watching, I was, of course, home on Friday night of Pride weekend, of course, last night, and I was watching the Daytime Emmy Awards as while I was trying to work and I just sort of had it on the background and then I just ended up watching the daytime Emmy Awards. And they

in addition to showing like clips from the nominees, they were showing like clips from like the year in daytime or whatever and one of them was the clip from the Drew Barrymore show where it was her birthday and like Savannah Guthrie is doing like guess who's next like wishing you happy birthday and they were talking about her work in ET

and have you seen this clip where yes where Steven Spielberg comes on is like I want you to do wrecked more. I love Whipit so much. Right. Oh, yes. The taste, by the way, jumped out of Stephen right there. But before he comes on, they're talking about E.T. and whatever. And then Savannah goes, do you have any guesses as to who is the next person to come say happy birthday to you? And Drew just like starts weeping and goes, yeah, he's like the first person I knew cared. He does care. Can you venture a guess about who is about to join us right now?

first person that cared about me. Yeah. And just like fully loses it. And it's the greatest. It's so the Drew Barrymore show is a goddamn experience. I've never watched a full episode, but just like just existing in clip form is good enough for me. Like it's good enough for culture.

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