This Had Oscar Buzz - 172 – Money Monster (with Katey Rich)

Episode Date: November 22, 2021

Our Thanksgiving tradition continues this year, with Vanity Fair’s Katey Rich joining us as a guest, this time to talk about quickly forgotten prestige thriller Money Monster. Premiering out of competiton in 2016 at the Cannes Film Festival to middling reviews but embarrassing no one involved, the film stars George Clooney as a cable news financial … Continue reading "172 – Money Monster (with Katey Rich)"

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We don't know. You have to understand how delicate of a situation this is. I'm sitting 80 feet from a bomb girl talks me about delicate situations. Hello and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast that wants a director's cut that's just Sharon Stone and Jenna Rowland's cooking Christmas dinner together. Every week on This Had Oscar Buzz, we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had Lofty Academy Award aspirations,

but for some reason or another, it all went wrong. The Oscar hopes died, and we are here to perform the autopsy. I'm your host, Joe Reed. I'm here, as always, with my furious pregnant girlfriend, Chris Fyle. Hello, Chris. I didn't see that that's what my intro would be. I feel like I should have prepared. Brooklyn, that is somehow Boston, like, Joe Reed, you're trash.

You know what you are? Your trash, you're a loser. You fucked it up like you always fuck it up. I'm the one who fucked it up like I always Those dulcetones are of course Coming from our most beloved Thanksgiving week Guest, it's become a holiday tradition like no weather We are thrilled to welcome back

Vanity Fair's own Katie Rich Hello and welcome And thank you for coming on again Hello, I'm so delighted to be part of a tradition And also by the amount of people from your deranged guessing games on Twitter who guessed that I was coming up. Like, the listeners are paying attention. Oh, did they?

I didn't even notice that. Did they guess that was you? Multiple times I have been tagged in the guessing game of being like returning guess, hey? And actually, I don't know how much of they were guessing right, but I was honored every time. I love that. See, people know. People know that you are, you're our Turkey Day annual guest. So let's remind the listeners, previously we've talked a little pan.

we've what else help me remember not love actually in time about time we haven't said in time we made that mistake

in that episode too oh my god is this the fourth episode is this our fourth year running oh my god yeah because the tourist was my first

the tourist that's what it was yeah that's what it was and actually for this one and I don't want to spoil anything but like the tourist was one I was like I don't know I'll try it I don't know what I feel about it.

And then I came in with Pan at about time, which I had very strong feelings about. And this one, I'm kind of back to more of a neutral position. So hopefully that makes it less combative. So that's my question then. So you had seen Money Monster before requesting it. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

I saw it, I guess, before it came out at some point in the spring of 2016. So what was the, what made you decide? Because we, you know, you've got your choice. You come on here. It's your call. So what made you go for a movie like Money Monster? So I saw it because I was interviewing Katrina Balf at the time. And she has, I mean, her role in the movie is not nothing.

You know, she's like breaking out from Outlander at this point. She's kind of trying her way. You can see why she would make this movie. And obviously she's interesting now in this award season because she's very likely to get nominated for Belfast. So I thought she was interesting. Clooney has a movie out this year, which we keep not really thinking about the Tender Bar, which he's not in.

And it has all these various interesting Oscar-y, elements while having just fallen completely on its face while also being ignored. Like it was a strange combination where basically from the minute it opened, including a can premiere, it didn't exist. And no one, no one got dinged for it. No one's career suffered for it. It just fell apart. And I find that always fascinating with a movie with this much pedigree going into it. I think also, in addition to all that of like it basically was not scrubbed from the face of the earth, but this movie very quickly didn't exist. And yet it also made enough money for it to be profitable, at least globally speaking.

And so it's like also not the type of movie that is held over anybody's head, not Jody Foster as a director, none of these stars. Not Jack O'Connell, who I'm sure we'll get into. And like he was on the rise at the time. I don't know that it helps Jack O'Connell's career, though. I'm not sure that he like ascended from this the way that we might have hoped. But it's probably, like you said, probably not this movie's fault. This was the same year that he did on Broken, though, right?

Right? And I feel like the two of those things together were maybe... No, there's just two years after Unbroken, according to IMDB. Oh, Unbroken was 24. Time is a flat circle for Jack O'Connell's career. It was, like, there's like a four-year period where it's a bunch of things happening all at the same time. And I think there was two things that stopped the Jack Connell as everywhere train. One of them was Tulip Fever. The second was he was the bridge.

to Siena Miller's Maggie the Cat in the very famous Living with someone you love is sometimes hot of the living alone Oh wow Have you ever seen that clip Katie of her We're talking about a hot tin roof Which they did in London I've not seen this

But clearly I should I will find this clip and send it to you Because it's something else Dialect is Something else Yeah it's really amazing Yeah the thing that I was sort of surprised by when I was doing my research was that Clooney doesn't act in

another movie after this one until last year's, um, Midnight Sky. Man, which like, yeah. Yeah. That's so crazy that he's been depriving us of this. And it doesn't seem like there's been any reason for it other than like. He doesn't have to. So he doesn't have to. Right.

That's the thing. Like he doesn't have to. Maybe he's enjoying married life, maybe whatever. Got those twins and kids. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, for, but for whatever reason, we haven't had Clooney. But it also hasn't been like, I don't, it hasn't been a sense of like, I really want George Clooney back, which is like, it's not like me and Channing Tatum where like I am like, where has Channing Tatum gone and why can't we have him back?

Whereas like Clooney was gone and I was like, I guess Clooney's gone. Like I didn't notice it, you know, nothing against George. Yeah. Because you feel like, it's not like, well, he never got the chance. to give his best performance. Like, Cluny, the peak Clooney was so good.

Like, he really made his mark as a movie star. So you're like, he can come back. Like, he might be able to top that. But, like, if it doesn't get better than that,

we won't be surprised, you know? Right, right. I suppose him, like, working as a director, especially if it's like he's trying to spend time with his family, is a little bit more confusing because it's more time-consuming and, you know,

takes up more of you to direct a movie than to just star in a movie. And, like, even when he's starring in movies, he's not, role in things like gravity, right? Yeah. Right.

I'm more so, like, where is my that? Like you're saying with Channing Tatum, Joe. I'm saying, where is my reuniting of Ocean's 11 stars in a movie every single year? Like, why don't we get more Brad Pitt and Julia Roberts together? Why don't we get more like Don Sheetle and Scott Conn in movies together? Listen, that is exactly what I want. So, yeah. Andy Garcia could have played this Dominic West role.

It's right there. Oh, 100%. That's so true. As Tommy. As Tommy Bahama, though, from Varvin Star. Yeah, no costume change whatsoever. Same outfit. This was a one of the funny things, again, as I was looking up stuff, this is a accidental

reunion of our very first this had Oscar buzz movie because this is Julia Roberts and Dominic West in a movie again. for the first time since Mona Lisa Smile. So once again, my Mona Lisa Smile ignorance comes into play. I did not know, Dominic Westmore. I know, Katie, you really, you stepped in it about Mona Lisa Smile recently on your own podcast.

Famously doesn't know anything about Mona Lisa Smile. I know. I've been apologizing ever since. You didn't know that Maggie. There were four of us sitting there being like, Maggie Joan Holnickerson Dunst. Like, they had to have made a movie together at some point, right? We're like, yeah, like, it seems like they should have.

I don't know what it is. And then we moved on. And then everyone listening, like, ripped out their headphones. in fury. That's the most anybody's ever supported Mona Lisa Smile in over a decade. That's amazing. Hey, it launched a full podcast.

That's not nothing. That's not nothing. No, we give it things every day. And as I believe I probably said on that episode, Dominic West, not a man that I can easily place at any given time. You say the words Dominic West to me, and I'm like, uh, uh, uh, what movie is he? because I always confuse him with Dugree Scott. Oh.

Yes. What did I just see him in? Oh, he was in dark water. Yeah. I don't want to be that person, but you didn't watch the wire, did you? I did not watch the wire. See, that's how they'll, like, anyone who was ever on the wire will just be burned in my brain that way, which I think for any, like, long running show that you watch. Anyone on Friday night lights is the same way.

They will always be there. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. Yeah, I just, Doug Ray Scott was the shitty ex-husband. husband to Jennifer Connolly in Darkwater, and that's why she had to move to Roosevelt Island and then things went from bad to worse for her. Don't move to Roosevelt Island, Joe. Don't do it. Watching that movie in the midst of looking for new apartments, I watched, okay, so this is my experience. I watched within the same, the span, I think no, it was the same day. It was. In Friday afternoon evening of Halloween weekend, I went to a screening of the humans, which, is fantastic, but was like, I literally walked out and I was like, that might be the first time

I've ever seen a movie that's set in New York and is very much about being set in New York that made me want to move away from New York because just the reality of having to live in that apartment was, and it's supposed to be, like, so harrowing and so incredibly threatening. And I was like, oh my God, I don't want to have to move to another shitty apartment ever again. And then that night, I watched, because I was watching spooky season stuff, I watched Darkwater for the first time since it was new. And that, again, is like, no place to go. She can't afford to go anywhere.

She's got to move to Roosevelt Island. And it is just an absolutely, like, waterlogged hell. And I was like, yeah, I maybe, like, should leave. Like, is this what the universe is telling me? Because, like, holy shit. It was a day. It was a real day. But now I feel better.

And I'm talking with you guys. And this is good. we're going to talk about a money monster which the only thing I really remembered about the movie because so much of it was scrubbed from my brain after I saw it I remembered how like hideous this movie is like to look at all of these constant fox news MSNBC screens that like this movie really kind of takes to a satirical extreme is such an ice sore and like that's part of the point but like maybe it was maybe it's just like so gross visually that like I couldn't possibly remember anything else yeah just when you thought you were like overwhelmed with the amount of like cable news stuff like wolf blitzer keeps coming back here like good god man like it had been a while it had been a while since I'd seen a movie

with a good old fashioned pat kiernan does a local news break in kind of thing like that was that was that was a moment for like there was a while there where he was doing like six movies a year it was really like this like me i don't i've moved out of new york not long after this so i feel like the pack khernan obsession peak has passed maybe it hasn't but it does feel like this might have been right at his i think he's been a casualty of cord cutting i think the more people cut cords the more like the less people have been watching new york one and like yeah it does feel like his moment is past also he's stopped hosting trivia nights at the bell house for me to win. So, like, that hasn't been great. I went to one of those. Did you go to one? That's right,

because you were on a different team than me. I guess we were at the same one. Yeah. Yeah, we were head to head. I feel like we were the two best teams. Surprise, surprise. Yeah. Okay. So in 2016, he was on Billions, Daredevil, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, the Ghostbusters Lady remake, uh, and Dr. Strange. Yeah. And this. Which is not even listed on his IMDB. That's like all of the 2016 movies where something bad happens in New York. Yeah. Oh, wait, no, he's, there's, it's very inconsistent. He's listed as an actor and some and as self.

And as self and others, yeah. This is the problem. IMDB's got to figure their shit out. What is his known for? Spider-Man Far From Home. Oh, wow, it's all Marvel movies. Spider-Man Far from Home, Avengers, Dr. Strange, and Iron Man 3. He's Marvel's in-house New York news guy.

That's why, yeah. He's, like, paid by Marvel and the U.S. government has got him on retainer. Everyone thinks that, like, the Pentagon is. paying for marble movies for the last one. No, it's really New York One. New York One is the engine that drives the whole thing so now. Oh, it's so true. All right, Katie, we're going to get into talking all about this movie, but first we're going to task you with a 60-second plot description once I run down the particulars of this one. So for our fourth Katie Rich

Thanksgiving special, we're doing Money Monster directed by Jody Foster. We haven't even talked about Jody Foster yet, you guys. We got to have a whole thing about there. We've got a lot to do. Written by Jamie Linden, Alan D. Fiore and Jim Kauf, starring George Clooney, Julia Roberts, Jack O'Connell, Katrina Balfe, Dominic West, Giancarlo Esposito, Emily Mead, Christopher Denham, Condola Rashad, Greta Lee for like half a second, but I was so happy to see Greta Lee. Screamed when she shut up. I'm so glad you put Greta Lee on that castle. I had to. I had to go like 20 deep down the castle.

to find her. Because you hear her talk for a sentence, you're like, what? I know that. I'm like, I know who that is. Yes, exactly. premiered at the Cannes Film Festival on May 12th, 2016. It opened wide a day later on May 13th, 2016, and then was promptly discarded by history. So, Katie, I am going to pull up my little stopwatch and put 60 seconds on the clock for you. Are you ready to go? No, I do not have a good grass with international finance, and this probably won't go well. All right. Well, your time starts now. Okay, so George Clooney is Lee Gates. He's basically Jim Kramer. He has a show where he tells people what money to buy.

Julia Roberts says Patty. She's his producer. She's trying to leave for another job across the street. But will she? We'll find out. They get to work, and something called Ivis Clear Capital has had a glitch where a bunch of people lost money and they're kind of figuring out what the deal is. when Jack O'Connell, as Kyle Budwell, barges into the studio with a gun, takes George Clooney hostage and is basically saying it's his fault that he lost all his money on Ibis Clear Capital because he told him to buy all this stock in it. So they try to figure out the deal. They try all these different things to try to get him to call it down. This is like New York NYPD SWAT team led by Jean-Cal Luis Bezito was outside.

They call his pregnant girlfriend, who's very mean to him. And then eventually it becomes clear that Ivis Clear Capital is not on the up and up. And Katrina Balf is the press person. And she's kind of figuring it out. She's also having an affair with Dominic West, who is the CEO, and she eventually is ready to turn on him to help Julia Roberts figure out the deal. They leave the studio and walk down the streets in New York and become a big media spectacle, and then eventually Kyle gets shot and Dominic West walks away free, maybe a little bit. And that's time. But he becomes a meme, so.

So truly, who is the true? So everything's fine. It's such a weird note to leave on. Like, there's a lot of problems in this movie. but that ending where like this kid who like we've been told like that these two people have found their conscience by like caring whether he lives or dies and then by the end of the movie they're like so weirdly comforted by the fact that like things are going back to normal and this moment has been memeified and I'm like yeah no this is horrifying what

he's like they say something vague about like he violated someone or another SEC thing so he might go to jail anyway and it's like oh good the one bad apple is gone so the financial system is fixed. Well, okay, so the thing about the ending on the meme note, it made me realize that in the entire movie, they never acknowledge or directly acknowledge,

at least, the existence of Twitter. And it's like, this is 2016. It's not that far out. And it's like, it has this weird relationship with, like, how the internet works and how people are connected to, like, when shit goes down like this

and finger quotes everyone. is watching the way we actually watch these things. Yeah. And it's like, it never mentions Facebook. It never mentions Twitter. And it's just kind of a weird relationship to like that and the culture. And, you know.

Especially because there's a point where George Clooney is basically single-handed. I think, from my understanding of finances, he's invented like meme stocks. Like he's doing the GameStop thing where it's like, if we all buy this thing, this terrible asset will become a good asset. Let's all do it together. So that I thought was actually one of two moments that I

was like I enjoyed what the movie was doing where they were like actively and knowingly subverting a kind of like hokey movie trope because like that scene right the music is swelling he's doing this like if we all band together we're people we're not machines if we all you know support this stock or whatever we can get it up and we can drive up the price and we can make everybody whole again and yada yada yada and then it was just like music swells and then the stock goes down and it's like honk and it's just like it's it's a big letdown and I was like, oh, okay, so this movie knows that, like, this problem isn't going to be solved

by, like, Frank Capra-style like... Power of the human spirit. And then the other... Yeah. Right. And then the other moment that I think it subverts things is the Emily Mead moment, where all of a sudden we're building up to this big they find the pregnant girlfriend, they're going to put her on the phone with them,

and she's going to, you imagine, be the, like, long-suffering, you know, wife-slash-girlfriend character who, like, you know, your baby needs a daddy or whatever you know what I mean like all this sort of stuff and then she comes in and she just right she just like reams him a new asshole and is just like you're worthless I don't ever want to talk to you again blow yourself up for all I care and then she pieces out for the rest of the movie. Yeah she does not come back. It's incredible. So I think the movie

knows what it doesn't want to be. I think the problem is it doesn't know what it wants to be and I think that is ultimately what we're left with right? Yeah because you get the sense of all these like millionaires and billionaires in a studio being like, yeah, this is the movie for the Occupy Wall Street moment where we like really stick into rich people. And you're like, I don't think you know what people are mad about. And nothing in this movie suggests that like any of the real rage at the financial system was clear to anyone making it. It's also very clearly a movie that was made just before Donald Trump was elected president because anything that is a news story now would be immediately

run through the churn of like it would be immediately politicized and everybody would just take a side alongside of like what the expedient political stance that each side wanted to take right and all of a sudden everybody would like run to their corners and

that would be that and it's in many ways I find myself nostalgic for anything that was made before the Trump era because it was just like oh this was, like, fucked up in, like, a different way. And, like, I'm, you know, I miss that. But it's funny, Katie, that you mentioned that your entry point to this, in a lot of ways, was Katrina Balfe. And her character, I think, is so emblematic of one of the problems with the movie, which is that, like, it doesn't know where it wants to focus on, where all of a

sudden, she becomes momentarily very important to the story, where all of a sudden, we're following her, and she now has the scales have kind of fallen from her eyes, and it's important to her to get to the bottom of why this glitch lost all this money, and was there malfeasance, and where is Dominic West, and where was he? And she, like, gets to the bottom of it and finds out that he was in South Africa, and she, like, totally, like, blows him into Julia Roberts and you know sets him up for the fall and then literally she hands the information to Clooney and pieces out for the rest of the movie and she is gone and it's like yeah well why were we following her for all this time like she's she's not important now like she was just clearly

a means to an end but like all this time that we were following her julia roberts isn't getting developed at all like you know all of a sudden like the characters that are important by the end of the movie are not cared for in the middle of the movie, and it's just so scattered. I mean, I think that this is definitely a movie that wants to be an ensemble movie, but then it is also, like, sidlining itself because it has two of the biggest movie stars on the planet and these two roles, one of which is kind of a non-character, um, yeah, because like, yeah, you do have stretches where you're following, uh, Katrina Balfe. You have Giancarlo Esposito, where we're, like, getting to know way too much about what's going on with this, like, SWAT effort surrounding them. We keep cutting to Iceland, like, kind of a lot for... Or Korea, with a guy who made the algorithm.

It's like, the whole poise algorithm's a robot. It doesn't matter who the person who made it is. Well, that's the thing. I think it's a better movie, and I think it's a more impactful movie, if all of that financial stuff means nothing. All of, like, that there is no, nothing behind the curtain, that there is no rhyme or reason. and that you're just with Clooney sort of realizing that he's the Wizard of Oz, right? That ultimately there is no real power there.

It's all, you know, I mean, it's the lesson of GameStop, right? Like, money is fake and, you know, none of this really means anything. And at least then, Clooney's sort of come to Jesus moment can be maybe a little bit more devastating. I think his character really needs to go through it more in this movie. For somebody who's got like a suicide vest strapped on to him, him for most of him to say what more must this man go through for you but like but you don't feel his journey is like keeping his cool and becoming the tv man throughout like this horrible thing that's happening then it is you know him realizing right that you know he is part of the

problem but i think it's supposed to be able to maintain composure right but i think it's supposed to be that he's that he you know realizes his part in this system but like you don't feel it at all you never, I never feel like he's an actual danger in this movie. Yeah. I don't. I don't, like, I see it. I understand that that's what the plot is. But, like, it doesn't, it doesn't communicate all that harrowingly to me.

I think he plays it pretty well, though. Like, his sense that he is in danger, I do, like, in those early parts of it where he's just really kind of in a panic and having a panic attack. Like, seeing George Clooney be low status in that way is, is interesting and an interesting choice for him to have made. Because even, like, in Midnight Sky, from what very little I remember about that movie. Like, I feel like he's still kind of, like, calm and in control the whole time. Yeah.

This was also a moment where, like, there was a moment there where, like, people really paid attention to, like, the Jim Kramer's of the world, right? Obviously, that's who Clooney's character is kind of modeled on. These people who turned, like, Wall Street Finance into this sort of, like, burlesque show, you know, this very kind of, like, masculine burlesque, right? where he's like, he's, you know, he's got bucks and gloves on and he's got like, like, Nick City dancers with him or whatever, and it's a whole thing. And that was a thing that, like, we were sort of like momentarily scandalized by, this idea that like after the market crash in the financial system crash, that we were just like, this is what, this is how we treated money.

This is how we treated things like stocks or whatever. And then as we do with everything these days, it like, it shocks us. it dismayes us, and then we move on to the next thing that shocks us and dismays us. And we don't have time to, like, linger or certainly not fix anything. And it was weird to be like, oh, yeah, for a while there. Like, we really cared about that particular kind of a thing and why that was a problem. Yeah, didn't, like, John Stewart, like, have Jim Court on a show and yell at him that, like, that was the thing? Yeah, yeah.

And again, like, for all the good that did, you know? And it's like, okay. And I think that was a big criticism of Money Monster was. Ultimately, it's pretty hollow. Ultimately, it's, you know, these big Hollywood stars sort of traipsing through an issue of the moment thing and not really having anything super trenchant to say about it. And I also don't feel like we leave this movie understanding any more the stuff that we don't understand already going into it. I feel like so much of this is so confusing.

And I think part of why, like, the movie wants to be this, like, ensemble. thing is because it wants to get all of these pieces and all these players that make these incredibly convoluted, like, structures that we plebeians don't always understand about, like, finance. Right. Or, like, how. Finger quotes, finance. Yeah.

You know, all of, and like, so it's frustrating in that way, too. I wonder if the relevant thing about its failure is that it comes out about six months after the Big Short, which, you know, I think you can have your problems with it here and there, but it is much more broader focused about the financial system. And I think much more rightly cynical about what makes it function. And I think you see something like the Big Short and then Money Monster is like, well, but it was just this one guy who was taking money from his company to fund. Right.

For dispute in South Africa, I can't remember even what his whole big scheme was. He was manipulating the market. That's all I need to know. That's all, just tell us that. Yeah, it's very specific. Like, this guy did something bad. And it ends with George Clooney getting back to making his show. Oh, you know, like there's no sense of him being part of that problem at all.

So long as George Clooney can punch out the guy who did the bad thing, then we can end our movie. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And even though I think Jack O'Connell's character, as written, like, comes in being like, you guys stand here and you tell us what to do with our money and, like, you don't pay any attention to the impact. Like, his, that character's point of view is a really accurate, I think, version of the frustration people feel, but it just isn't important to the story. It's funny to remember that when this movie came out, for as little as we kind of remember about this movie's cultural footprint, which was very, very small and slight, the thing I remember the most was that most of the criticism about the movie was about Jack O'Connell's accent, his sort of working-class American accent. And, like, people really raked him over the coals for it, and I felt bad. It's not great, but it's not the biggest problem in this movie.

It's really not. That's the thing. It's like, it's not in the top five of this movie. movie's biggest problems. And I sort of felt bad that it kind of got hung on him a little bit, that, you know, the authenticity of the movie sort of got wrapped up in that. He really didn't have also. Oh, go ahead, Chris. I was going to say, would people also be saying that about his accent and this movie? Because, like, I thought it was fine watching it this time. But, like, would people have been saying that if they hadn't also just seen him in a dozen other movies in two years? I think that's maybe part of it. So, before we get into the Jack O'Connell thing, the whole, you know, because we want to talk about him a little bit, because

he was definitely like having a moment back then. So as has become something of a tradition on here, I like to torture you too, and it's very fun for me. When we talk about sort of younger actors who get put in certain boxes, and this one in particular, like Jack O'Connell was, as comes along fairly frequently, is sort of like a young man from, you know, the British Isles in Ireland who gets his start. It's very, you know, people are very excited by stuff he's doing in his home country, and then they transfer him to America, and maybe it works, and usually it doesn't. So in this way, there were two minutes.

I was almost spoiled for choice. It's like, who's Jack O'Connell sort of, like, twinned with? And part of it is when you hear the name Jack O'Connell, now... somebody's just like, oh, you mean Josh O'Connor? And it's like, no, no, no. I'm talking about Jack O'Connell. People are like, who? And I'm like, kind of exactly.

Josh O'Connor is kind of like eaten his lunch, not necessarily because they're the same, you know, type of actor, although in some ways they are. But it's just like... You know, Jack O'Connell's the boxer. You can't see Josh O'Connor, like, in, like, a boxing prison movie. And yet, like, there is kind of just like this, like, omnibus bucket that they all sort of, like, go in, right?

And then you pick them out and you get them out. and you get some cast members. So anyway, for this quiz, I wanted to bring to you, Katie and Chris, I want to have you to go head to head in the Jack O'Connell or Josh O'Connor quiz. I'm going to name different roles for movies, and you're going to tell me whether that role was played by Jack O'Connell or Josh O'Connor. And I'm going to try and keep score, but if you guys want to, like, just have your pen and paper handy just in case. The listeners should know that you text us ahead of time being like, have scratch paper ready. I was like, oh, shit. I didn't want to give you guys too much notice.

All right. I just didn't want to give you guys too much notice. I wanted to sort of spring it on you. Even though I suspect you guys were maybe, you know, wondering whether I was going to cook up something insane. All right. So we're answering at the same time. Sorry, you explain. No, we're going to go one to one.

So Katie, you are our guest, so you will start first. Okay. All right. So the first question goes to you. As a former Olympian and Bombadier who was held in captivity by the Japanese in Unbroken. Who was it? Jack O'Connell.

That was Jack O'Connell. One point to Katie. All right, Chris, as a gay farmer in God's own country. That's Josh O'Connor. That is Josh O'Connor. One point to Chris. Katie, as a fishmonger who loses his shirt in the tulip trade in tulip fever. That's Jack O'Connell.

That is Jack O'Connell. Although if we hadn't just talked about it, that might have been a challenge. Right. Well, this is why I kind of wanted to get this in early before we not even, you know, too much more discussion. All right. Chris, as a noble-born son in a romance with a maid in Mothering Sunday. That is a very naked, Josh O'Connor. That is Josh O'Connor.

That was just a TIF this year. All right. Katie. As a palace guard in the Lily James version of Cinderella. Oh, shit. I feel like this is probably. a trick question, but I'm going to say Josh O'Connell anyway.

No, Josh O'Connell is never going to be the right answer. Joshua, the crown one. The Joshua Connor, yeah. Yeah, nice try. Yes, it is. It's Josh O'Connor, you're correct. Wow, okay.

All right. Chris, well, you really got the good one, as Brick in the National Theater production of Canada Hot Tootho. Yes, I'm fist pumping. That is Jack O'Connell. That is Jack O'Connell. Living with someone you love can be lonely

than living entirely alone. If the one that you love doesn't love you. All right, Katie, as the kind older brother who's also kind of a layabout in Sing Street. I'm so glad I prepped for this. That's Jack Raynor. That is Jack Raynor. Point to Katie, because now the game. I might have gotten that wrong 30 minutes ago.

Is Jack Raynor, Jack O'Connell, or Josh O'Connor? This is where I fall apart. Oh, my God. Christopher. As an FBI agent tasked with surveilling actress Jean Seaberg in Seaberg. That is Jack O'Connell? Correct.

I almost guess Garrett Headlin. He's American, though. He doesn't count. So is Jack Raynor. So, you know. No, Jack Rayner is not American. He's not Irish. Look him up.

I would think so, too, but look him up on IMDB. It says he was born in Colorado. Doesn't mean that he lived there most of his life. All right. We'll debate this later. All right. We'll debate this later. All right, who got Seaberg?

That would do me. All right, so Katie. As Florence Pugh's shitty boyfriend in Midsomar. Oh, that's Jack Raynor. That is Jack Raynor. Point to Katie. All right, Chris, as the adult son of Annette Benning and Bill Nye in Hope Gap. Oh, that's Josh O'Connor.

That is Josh O'Connor. Point to Chris. We are at 5'5. You guys are doing excellently. Katie. As a Justice Department attorney opposing Ruth Bader Ginsburg, in On the Basis of Sex. I don't have the first clue.

Josh O'Connor. It is not. It is Jack Rayner. Ah, damn. All right. Christopher. As Frank Churchill in Emma, period. That's Josh O'Connor. It's not.

It's Callum Turner. Joshua Connor plays Reverend Elton in Emma. Frank Churchill is played by Callum Turner because now we are playing Jack Rayner, Jack O'Connell, Josh O'Connor, or Callum Turner. Oh, my God. All right, we are still at 5-5. Katie, as Tom Holland's drug dealer in Cherry.

Ooh, I think that's Jack Rainer. It is. You're getting all the Jack Rainer questions. I may not have split these up very well. All right. Chris, in a tiny bit role in Florence Foster Jenkins that he almost didn't take because he wanted to attend the Glastonbury Festival. Callum Turner?

No, it's Josh O'Connor. Okay. All right. Katie. As older brother to Eddie Redmayne's Newt Schamander in Fantastic Beasts, The Crimes of Grindelwald. Wait, is that the second one or the first one? It's the second one. Oh, I never saw that one.

Callum Turner. It is Callum Turner. Good job. All right, Katie's winning 7 to 5. Chris, as a participant in an insane series of shootouts in Free Fire. Oh, God. Oh, that is. that's Jack Rainer.

It is. I'm going to give you that point, but it is Jack Raynor and Killian Murphy because now we are playing Jack Raynor, Jack O'Connell, Josh O'Connor, Callum Turner, or Killian Murphy.

Jack Rainer gets like his head smashed in in that movie. Yeah. Does he also get his head smashed in him in Meds no more? Does he die in another way? Oh, no, he's in the Bears. He dies in a bear. Yeah.

How can I forget? He dies in a bear. All right, Katie. As a Soldier of Athens in 300, rise of an empire. Oh. I'm going with the Bronnius.

one, Jack O'Connell. Jack O'Connell. Katie, you are murdering this on fire. My bros. Christopher. Chris, as a punk band member who gets caught in a massacre while performing for a bunch of neo-Nazis

in Green Room. That's Anton Yeltsin. Well, yes, but who else? Anton Yelchin is not entering the game. Good try. Calam Turner. Yes, Callum Turner. Very good. All right. Katie, as the second mate on the ship that inspired the story of Moby Dick in the heart of the sea.

I'm guessing we're not throwing Chris Hemsworth into this race, so... No, we're not. Let's say Killian Murphy. It is Killian Murphy. Katie Rich. Holy crap. I never saw that movie either. All right.

Chris. As the psychopathic lover to the less stable Tom Hardy twin in legend. Oh. Killian Murphy. It's Terran Edgerton because now we are playing Jack Raynor, Jack O'Connell, Josh O'Connor, Callum Turner, Killian Murphy, or Terran Edgerton. Oh, Taryn.

Katie. As an Eton student who is maybe fucking Ali Alexander, not that the movie cares enough to pursue it in the Riot Club. Ooh, not the, oh. Taryn, I don't know. No, it's Josh O'Connor. You're on such a streak, too. I know.

All right, Chris, as Malcolm in the Justin Kurtzell directed Macbeth. Oh, is that Josh O'Connor? It's Jack Raynor. All right. Katie, as one of the men in Dunkirk. God, any of them were in Dunkirk? Wait. No, Killian Murphy's in Dunkirk.

Killian Murphy, very good. Katie Rich. He's a Nolan boy. All right, that's the end of our quiz. a score of 10 to 7, Katie, you are our champion. I tip my hat to you, Katie. Jack Raynor, Jack O'Connell, Josh O'Connor, Callum Turner, Killian Murphy, or Taryn Agerton. I'm so proud of you guys.

Not enough Taryn Ateran Edgerton in this game overall. You introduced him. That was real teased. Well, I know. I introduced him late in the game. I didn't have enough time. Okay. Wikipedia calls Jack Rayner an Irish actor.

So something, let's see. Oh, yeah. When he was two years old, he moved with his mother to Valley Mount County, Wicklow, Ireland. Oh, okay. was born in the United States, and then he moved very early. All right. Well, that makes me feel better because I, like, that seemed wrong, too. Yeah, for him to be an American Singh Street feels very wrong.

Because the first thing I ever saw him in was this, like, very indie Irish movie at, like, Tribeca Film Festival. Yep, what Richard did. What Richard did, yes. But just, like, really, like, he's really good in that. And then for years, I was like, no, this guy's really good. And people were like, no, he was in Transformers. He's shit. And I was like, no.

Yeah, I think MedSomar really did good work for him. Oh, yeah. Yeah, big time. Even Sing Street, I think people. started to turn around a little bit with Sing Street because it was so likable. All right, I want to switch gears into Jody Foster for a second because we haven't talked about her yet. This is only her fourth movie she ever directed. It's she hasn't directed another one since. She directs very sporadically. For somebody who's such a huge Hollywood movie star and also

entity and sort of creative force, she's only made four movies and it's a weird, weird four movies is the other thing. So she started her directorial debut. She directed Little Man Tate. She directed Home for the Holidays, which is sort of everybody's like, you know, what's a really good movie about the holidays is Home for the Holidays? Like, it's also a Thanksgiving movie and not a Christmas movie. So like that sort of, you know, it has a little bit of a more space to have the category all its own. Um, misbegotten and sort of nobody really wants to talk about the beaver, which came around in 2011, I want to say. Speaking of Anton Yeltsin.

Oh, right. I forgot that he's in that. And also Jennifer Lawrence, right? Yeah. That was why they had their little, nice little moment at the Oscars together. Yeah, and they were in, oh, my God, like crazy together, too, like right around the same time. Oh, yeah. But I met Jennifer Lawrence and Jody Foster when they presented at the Oscars that one time.

What did they present again? They presented Best Actor to Leo? Well, it wasn't K.C. Athlas. I don't know I might have to look that up You guys talk about Jody Foster's movies I'll look that up I'll figure it up

Well this is the only other movie after that But she also at the time of this movie Was like making headlines for You Don't Realize this But Jody Foster has been directing television Like Orange is the New Black And she did the House of Cards episode I mean of course she's moved to directing television

Right like getting a movie made Even like Monty Monster feels like a relic of another time having come out in 2016, being like this movie that's about ideas and about grown-ups, like television is where that moves to. And if she can't get like the movie she wants to make finance, like go direct an episode of Black Mirror. Like that's probably almost as satisfying. I've never seen the episode of Black Mirror she directed.

Does anyone know anything about it? I don't do Black Mirror. Who's in that one? Oh, is Rosemary DeWitt? Oh, maybe I should do Black Mirror. I have not seen that one. It's, uh, let's see. After nearly losing her daughter, a mother invest in a new technology that allows her to keep track of her.

Interesting. Oh, God. Yeah, that sounds grim. This is why I don't do Black Mirror, but you had me at Rosemary DeWitt. Yep. Jody Foster and Jennifer Lawrence presented Best Picture to Francis McDormand for three billboards. Because remember, that was the year, that was the big Me Too year where, like, all of the big presenters that year were mostly women. Like Emma Stone presented best director

And Jane Fonda and Helen Mirren presented best actor And well and then they did Warren Beatty Fade Down Away Part 2 for best for best picture Wait you said best picture you mean best actress Yeah Jody and Jennifer Lawrence Yeah Jody and Jennifer Lawrence presented best actress to Francis McDormann for three billboards Yes yes yes yes yes they gave her best picture a single picture for that one Nomadland production still that was like the only one that existed And they did it like four years in advance.

It was really prescient of them. Yeah. I still think it's funny that the most, my first association for Jody Foster as a director is for a film that has never been made and may never be made. Floor Plum? Floor Plum. I will always bring it up. I will always talk about floor plumb. It is until it gets, I almost hope it never gets made because then in my mind it can be like the greatest thing ever.

How is it ever going to get made, though? No, it's never going to get made. made. It's never upset. Netflix would do it. Netflix would do it. They would just cast like TikTok stars in it or something. Oh, see, again, this is why I don't want it to happen. I would be so sad. I'll end up being so sad. But so do we think, is Jody Foster like a great director waiting for her big moment? Or is this just like, we should probably accept that like Jody Foster is a better actress than she is a director. Is this the same question we ask ourselves about George Clooney? Yeah, it is. But he keeps getting more movies to make.

he does. I mean, Jody Foster's directing batting average is definitely higher than George Clooney's his at this point. I mean, one out of four is still not great. Actually, Little Man Tate's okay, I guess, right? But like, it's not a great movie. I mean, I don't know. It's... Honestly, having just watched Water for Elephants for Fighting in the War Room, which I think by the Wait, really? Why did you watch Water for Elephants for Fighting in the War? That's amazing. Arpats or something? I need to get my calendar. in order to make sure I'm not spoiling a future episode.

But we're doing our quarter quell and we're doing 20 11. We're doing movies that we talked about in the very earliest days of the podcast. Oh, I love it. That's amazing. I love it. It's along with limitless and 127 hours and many other ones from that era. Oh, my God. My point being that having seen Water for Elephants, I'm less sure that a Depression-era circus

movie is what the people really need. We'll see. Oh, my God. Water for Elephants is like one of the, we could absolutely do that. that occurs for this podcast. You really should. I could come back. It would double as our Floroplum episode. Yes, it really would.

You'd run out of those things to say about Water for Elephants pretty quickly, I think, and then you could just talk about Floroplum. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's amazing. We could do it for in conjunction with when the new Batman movie comes out, and we could talk about R-Pats and Matt. That would be a... We'll say it's a Water for Elephants episode, but really what it is is just a stage reading of the Floroplom script. Here's my question about Floroplum.

I'm Googling about it. There's a 2008 MTV news article about her talking about it and how she wants to make it and stuff like that. And then three years later, she makes the beaver. Like, how do you go from trying to get Florida by made? Yeah, for so long to then being like, nope, the beaver. That's the one that's going to be. Well, and the beaver was one of those things where it's like, I forget where that movie was situated in relation to her weird, weird Golden Globe speech. I think it was before it, but not too long before it.

And the one where she came out, but not really. The one where she's just like, yes, I'm coming out, I'm single, like that kind of thing. And it was just like, Jody. Like, and it was one of those speeches that I wanted to like really give her the benefit of the doubt for because like one of the big cruxes of it was just like, leave me the fuck alone essentially. Whereas just like, just let me goddamn be. And yet the other half of me was 2013. So it would have been at least the season after. The season after.

But he was there with her because she was getting the demil. at the Golden Globes. Again, reasons why I know the Hollywood foreign press is bad, but I'm going to miss the Golden Globes. Mel Gibson is there as essentially just like her date and friend to remind everybody,

hey everybody. She seems to need to remind people that she's friends with Mel Gibson. When all the rest of us want to do is be like, Jody, we don't want to remember that you're friends. Let us forget about it.

Be friends with him. Just don't make us think about it. Shut up about it. Like, yeah, yeah. So I'm here being all, confessional and I guess I just have a sudden urge to say something that I've never really been able to air in public. So a declaration that I'm a little nervous about, but maybe not quite as nervous as my publicist right now, huh Jennifer? But, you know, I'm just going to put it out there,

right? Loud and proud, right? So I'm going to need your support on this. I am single. Yes, I am. I am single. No, I'm kidding. But, I mean, I'm not really kidding, but I'm kind of kidding. I mean, thank you for the enthusiasm. Can I get a wolf whistle or something? Please.

Jesus. Seriously. I hope that you're not disappointed that there won't be a big coming-out speech tonight because I already did my coming-out about a thousand years ago back in the Stone Age in those very quaint days when a fragile young girl

would open up to trusted friends. and family, co-workers, and then gradually, proudly to everyone who knew her, to everyone she actually met. But now, apparently, I'm told that every celebrity is expected to honor the details of their private life with a press conference of fragrance and a primetime reality show. But that speech, so like, the crux of the speech is essentially, I don't want my life turned into a reality show, which is why I haven't said anything publicly. So, like, get off on my back.

And yet, I'm like, but you didn't have to make that the subject of your reality. speech. You could have just, like, continued to not mention it. And, like, there's a push-pull of, like, I'm sympathetic with somebody who is as famous as she is, especially for reasons that she is as famous as she is with, like, she was famous so young. And then the, the, uh, the Hinkley thing. And her relationship to fame has got to be super fucked. And so, like, I get it. And yet, there was also a sense of, like, almost like, making fun of the idea of celebrities coming out. And it's like, no, that's important too, Jody. Like, that's, I don't know. I still don't know how to how to wrestle with that. I don't know. But again, it's one of those moments that I'm like,

I'm so glad that this is like the pond that I've decided to make my living in because it's just like, it's so fascinating. This, like, celebrities are so weird. And I really kind of love it. Yeah, because, you know, she's the example of like a child actor who like made it and like had success in her life but like my god at what cost like it makes you weird for i mean my constant hobby horse is like children should not be in movies right no one you want cgai characters instead of children i would rather have i would rather have baby annette in every movie rather than an actual living which is why they should have an awards campaign for baby annette to get that ball rolling to tell the studios that you can win i just want baby annette in every movie period not really for any ethical reason but just because you know

she's the star. But like, how amazing would it be if, like, baby Annette was allowed to, like, grow up and, like, be in other movies and get, like, progressively older, right? You guys have to save this for your Annette episode in a five years or whatever that's going to be. But, like, oh, we do not want to wish for an Annette episode yet. We want a best score nomination for Annette. We want a best song nomination for Annette. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got to happen. But, like, that's the, that's the possibility there, right? Is that you could have a completely. fake child actor who can be whatever age you need them to be. Gone are the days of like that kid's too old to be playing five

and it's like no, not anymore we can make them exactly as old as we need them to be because they're not fucking real. Katie, this is your best idea by the way. It's always been your best idea. This is also exactly what has like made people like Meryl Streep up in arms about performance capture.

That she'll be one day replaced by baby Annette. It will be replaced by puppet, baby Annette. All roles will be played by Baby Annette. But yeah, that's the great Meryl Streep Andy Circus battle that one day will be fought on the great gladatorial stages. Yeah. Okay, but like specifically about Muddy Monster, is this a well-directed movie? No. Right.

In parts, like I like all of the stuff in the control room where they're kind of like going back and forth and, you know, as my enduring love of broadcast music. points out, like, the idea of someone being in their ear and choreographing all of that stuff. I find that interesting. I think there is tension built into it while also know thematic resonance at all. I think the bigger decisions get bungled. I think on a smaller scale, I agree with you, Katie, that like the control room scenes are effectively tense. I do still wish we had gotten more of a character out of Julia Roberts's character because it seems like a waste of her beyond the fact that she and Clooney have great chemistry together and always has. And that's why she's there

basically. But... Well, and you have to believe, you have to... There are two characters that are almost never on screen, except for the very beginning and the very end of the movie, and you have to be able to buy this chemistry between and throughout the entire movie. And that's why, yes, that's why you do that.

But also, this character, there's this whole undercurrent of, like, she had taken a job somewhere else and she was going to leave, and he kind of springs on it, springs it on her that he knows, like, during this hostage situation. And then by the end, she's changed her mind. She's going to go back and work with him again. And it's like, there's these, like, sort of big swings of character on paper that, like, I don't know. I don't feel like we're ever really under her skin at all or in her, in her hell. Yeah, I have no idea what makes her

to sigh other than, like, well, we went through hell together. Like, at best, I guess I better come back to work with you. Right. Like, did she... Go ahead. You can see a stronger ending where they're both just like, oh, shit, we got to get out of this business. Let's go do something else together. Right. You know, like, let's recover from this experience and go, you know, defeat capitalism. This movie really just like, well, that's about the time. Like, we got to go.

Like, it really suddenly just like runs out of gas really quickly. It's really bizarre. And it's a 90-minute movie that certainly doesn't feel like it's 90 minutes. And, like, maybe it's to the detriment of this movie that's so short because, like, you don't really get the time on a character level. You don't always understand, like, the financial world. And, like, the movie doesn't really take much pain to, you know, try to get us to understand it. Yeah. Yeah.

Also, I want to, I don't know if either one of you watched the trailer again before we started recording. But there is a Bruce Springsteen song in the... the latter half of the trailer. And it's to the point of parody where it's one of those just like, oh, you want us to feel gravitas about like the American worker. And so, like, dial up the Springsteen. And it's like, I don't know. Okay, speaking of the American worker, like having worked in Lower Manhattan for a period of

my life, the idea of all these people gathering around to kind of watch this hostage situation play out on the street, like when there is a live bomb. presumably in the mix of all this. Does that seem like something people would actually do to you guys? Where are they coming from? I guess their offices in theory. Like they all work down on Pine Street. To me, it felt like the movie really kind of misunderstanding

what Occupy Wall Street was and what those protests were. Because my feeling was like, it's all a lot of these like younger people. It looks like a lot of people that would be at the Occupy Wall Street protests. and it's like, is the movie trying to say these people are just already there and it's more so Clooney and O'Connell are like, you know, marching through an already existing protest.

They don't look like protesters though. They look just like peat. No, there's like it. I think there was a lot of effort to make... Somebody literally yells Occupy Wall Street. I know. That was rough. As if, you know, we get it.

But they try and pack the margins of this movie with a lot of like working class types, right? Where like the cameraman makes sure to point out just like, hey, I'm just doing a job. I'm Lenny. Yeah, they say his name so much. God damn, Lenny. But, like, it did make me think, Katie, of, like, if something like this were a real deal thing, the Gawkers would be, no pun intended.

All the people filing out of one world trade. And it's all the, like, young 20-something people working in media trying to take Instagrams or whatever. And just, like, that's where your memeification comes in. Is everybody, like, doing content down there? Are there's people shown, like, recording it on their phones? I can't remember. I mean, yes. Okay.

But, like, but not, like, sort of, like, passively, I guess. I don't, there's nothing really made of it. But, yeah. There's some people dancing. They're doing, like, the money monster, like, dance, which is so embarrassing. I remember seeing that part of it, too. Jesus. Yeah.

It's very, like, this was made by rich people in their 50s who don't. Yeah. And I think that was one of the big parts of the criticism of it was, like, the movie clearly got clocked for that. Yeah. which you're sort of asking for when you're Jody Foster and George Clooney and Julia Roberts making a movie about like yeah they don't have to like get everything right about how the people live but also like if Jack O'Connell's character had like not had that

accent and just been like you know what Williamsburg bro like trading stocks at his desk like maybe he would have been less sympathetic but just the idea being like we're the voice of the people and not like we're just trying to look at how this stupid system works right and well the movie has to do some degree of gymnastics, too, of like, he has to have lost a lot of money in order for to drive him to do this, right? So, like, he has to have lost $60,000. But how does somebody at that sort of economic strata, like, I don't, I would never be at a point to lose $60,000 because I've never had $60,000 all of once, you know what I mean? How are you betting that $60,000?

And so they have to, like, jump through these hoops to be like, oh, it was an inheritance from whatever. And it's just like, and all of a sudden, then it becomes. not a universal circumstance. And what the real story is, is that people who have never, who have never and will at never, have $60,000 to lose are getting not only stomped by this system, but like, shut out of it entirely. We're like, nope, people don't have a pension to lose because people don't have pensions anymore.

It's like, that's the story is this system has sort of grown so powerful and so corrupt and so fucked that, like, most people will never have the kind of movie money to lose. And that's why the real story from that era was people who lost their homes because the home loans were being offered to people who never should have been, you know, offered those loans in the first place. Yeah. Like that's like that's why that story is so because like those people who lost everything there never had it to begin with. And yet they still managed to lose, you know. And in this particular case, they just have to, like, gin up this, like, really oddly specific circumstance.

And there, and no amount of working class, you know, ephemera on this guy is going to make that situation relatable. Like, it's not relatable, the idea of, like, oh, I lost my shirt because this tech stock went down. And it's like, well, that doesn't happen to regular people anymore because people don't have the money to lose. Well, and I also kind of, I was thinking about this while watching it again. and like a lot of these like incongruous character details that like exists purely so that the story can happen as it happens made me kind of wonder if this was somewhat of a Frankenstein together script that existed much more like conceptually of like a guy holding a gun to live on air like Fox News type or whatever and then they eventually tried to morph it into this Occupy Wall Street or like financial system right type of thing, that it hasn't been that to begin with. So it's like, that's how you get these, like, things that don't actually make any sense. Yeah.

Yeah, that's true. One little footnote that doesn't really have anything to do with this movie at all. But Clooney did this movie. This movie came out, I think, three months after Hell Caesar. I think Hell Caesar was February of that year. Wow. Right? And, like, I just wanted to mention that because I think he's very...

funny in that movie. Like, I think, like, and he's not even, like, in the top five of best performances in that movie. But, like, I do think he's very funny in that one. Yeah, I pulled up Hale Caesar. I don't know. I guess I'd watch Ray Fines in recently that I would, oh, no, I guess I watched quiz show. Oh, yeah. And I was like, it was like, is Hale Caesar on Netflix and Hale Cesar's on Netflix? And then you'd, like, go through it. And you're just like, oh, shit, every scene in this is really funny. That movie, yeah, it's going to be one of those Cohen's movies that everyone's, like, I'm still surprised that people, there was a, there was a, Like, the reception for that movie was real mixed, almost to, like, mixed negative.

Like, a lot of people were kind of bagging on that movie. And I remember, I saw it. It's the only movie I've ever seen at the cinema, Cinerama Dome. May it hopefully come back. Well, RIP for now, and I'm still hoping that some... Not a time people hear this, maybe it will be a wealthy benefactor. Wealthy benefactor who has $60,000 to put in the Cinerama Dome stock. Dominic must, whether or not fuck this up for everybody.

Um, yeah, only movie I've ever seen there. But, like, I saw it and, like, was delighted. And I've seen it since. And, like, nothing has happened to change my mind that it is like, it's like, you know, it's episodic and like, you know, some things work better than others. But like, everything works at least a little bit well. And most of it is like great. Down to like Francis McDormand barely talking in one scene and like. And almost getting beheaded by what? By an editing machine. Rejector. No, she's an editor. She's trying to like edit it. And all of a sudden she gets her little scarf cut in it, but it's so funny. And Tilda's great. Obviously, Alton Aaron Reich should have been nominated for an Oscar for that. That should have made him a movie star, not solo, which I think like must have burned him really hard because where is Alden Aaron Reich?

I know. I know. It's such a bummer. Yeah, I mean, speaking of where's Channing Tatum, where have you gone? Like there's no, if you like Channing Tatum, there's no greater gift. than that scene that was heavily played in the trailers, and then it comes to the movie, you're just like, oh, yeah, this is exactly what I was hoping. One of my great grudges against the song nominating committee at the Oscars is that, like, that never even seemed like it was a consideration for people. I don't know if they submitted it or not.

I don't think they did. No, it didn't make the bake-off list. I'm not positive if it was in the, like, super long list of what was eligible. It's one of those, like, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills thing, where I was just like, what is wrong with everybody? this was great. Even the people who didn't like the movie said they liked this scene. Like, it's an original song written specifically for the movie.

It's right in the middle of it. It's not over the credits. What the fuck more do you want? It's great. I don't think they did much of an actual campaign. No, they did. Because I remember when it got that production design nomination, people were like, well, they didn't do anything to get this nomination other than just put the movie out there.

Right. Yeah, this is the original song year that will make you feel like a true maniac. Because it's that. It is same street. It's about the same year. doesn't get nominated. And then how far I'll go, a great song from Oana loses to a bad song from La La La Land. Even when you get to the actual nominees, the Injustices continue.

Wait, I want to pull it up because, like, I remember that year was so good for original songs as a field that, like, before the Oscar nominations, I made like a full-on playlist. I definitely was still writing about Best Original Song during this year, too, so I would have had. We talked about this a lot, but hold on a second. I want to pull it up because, like, genuinely, I was like, I, go ahead. This is my moment where I'm going to stick up for Justin Timberlake song from the trolls movie, which is great. It opened the Oscars that year. That was great. No problems with it whatsoever.

And I get why no one wants to talk about Justin Timberlake. Good song. No, it is a good. Like, that's the thing is it. This was the year that, Cia had like eight billion songs, but one of them was the one from Zootopia. Uh-huh. Which was not nominated. Nope, which was not nominated.

Which fucking rules. Wait, the one that Shakira sings? Yes. Seah wrote that. Yeah. Yes. But that was also the one where she had that song from the Eagle Huntress and she had fuck, there was something from Hidden Figures.

I can't remember. It was from something. Yes. Hidden Figures had two songs. I'm pulling up the full eligibility. Oh, I'm so excited. I'm so glad we got here. Yeah.

Caesar is not on that list. Yeah. No, it was, it's infuriating. Sing Street, Katie, you mentioned, but like that could have had multiple nominees on its own. I mean, the fact that that didn't get to be the once, like, path for, you know, original song win, like, it just seemed like such a guarantee. And I don't, I guess was St. Street or Y-C movie? It was just in a bad, it was in a bad spot. They kind of dumped it in the spring. Yeah. Yep. Um, Moana could have had more than one. Like, people really liked shiny like that could have definitely been a nominee um it wouldn't have been eligible because it's a cover

but like regina specter's cover of while my guitar gently weeps from kubu and the two strings fucking rules it's like really really good um oh i'm so humble from uh that's supposed to be like the shitty song would have been the best song to win from la la land oh the song the john legend song? Yes. Oh, that's not a good song. I reject this like... It's better than the songs that were nominated.

I like the fools who dream. I think that's fine. But like the best songs from La La Land are somewhat in the crowd and another new song. As far as I can see. Did you bring up I'm so humble because Pop Star was that same year? Pop Star was that same year. There's so many brilliant songs. Were any of them, did any of them make the short list?

Some of them made the short list, but like none of the ones that I'm mentioning. I'm so humble is the only one. that was on the eligibility list. Yeah. Now I'm looking up the pop star track list to remember which one is my favorite from that movie. And it wasn't exactly a banger, but like Tori Amos had a song that year from a documentary on Netflix about sexual assault. And it was like the year after the Lady Gaga song from the documentary about sexual assault. So like, I knew it wasn't going to happen.

But like, I am, of course, a nut for Tori Amos. So I was just like, that could have happened too, maybe if you were going to go for like something sad and just like, no, nothing. It's weird. just scrolling through this list, there were seriously 20 songs that was either sung or written by Cia. Right. It was like, it really was her year. And it's crazy that she didn't get, she didn't get nominated for anything, right? It wasn't even like something that wasn't that good that she didn't get anything.

Guys, remember music? Oh, yeah. Oh, sure do. No, we don't have to talk about that. We don't have to talk about music. I wanted to know, someone who did get there, do Emma Stone shows up and pop star to sing, turn up the beef and got an Oscar that same. year. I don't think that's a coincidence. It is not a coincidence. It's not.

That's what that second envelope was that Warren Beatty grabbed. It was for her Oscar for Turned up the Beef. That was her Oscar for Pop Star. Yes. Oh, my God. I wanted for really briefly bring up the 2016 Can Film Festival because this was where Money Monster premiered out of competition along with, listen to this collection of movies, that premiered out of competition. So it was that. It was trained to Busan, which has become this cult hit that people really love.

That movie rules. The nice guys, the Shane Black movie, the nice guys that, like, I thought was really funny. And I am not a Russell Crow person. And I really thought Ryan Gosling, especially,

was like super, super funny in that. I don't know how either one of you guys feel about that movie. I didn't care for it. I'm not not Shane Black and I really don't mix that well He's not always my favorite That one I went in with very low expectations

And it really won me over Who's the who's the Is it his daughter is somebody in that Or somebody Oh there's a daughter Oh and Gori Rice who was in Marevistown was his daughter Oh yeah

And also Margaret Qualley is in that So yes Well cast that movie But that was Cafe Society was the opening night film. Oh, Lord. Woody Allen's Cafe Society,

which I will say, nobody needs to be defending Woody Allen. But, like, of his, like, late era terrible movies, that one I thought was pretty watchable and kind of charming.

Was that the last one that got taken seriously? No, because one of the Emma Stones, I believe, was after this. And Wonder Wheel played in New York Film Festival.

Yes. Wonder Wheel was the end of it. Wonder Wheel was the one that, last one. As in the middle of that movie premiering, people were like, yeah, we can't do this anymore. Yeah, because Wonder Real came out in 2017, which is the Me Too Year. Yes, exactly. They canceled the New York Film Festival red carpet, right?

Oh, my God. I think that's true. Have you guys? 2017 movies, like that Oscar season is so crazy. It's a weird, weird year. It's a dark time. I don't know if you guys have gotten to that in your flashbacks yet, but man. Not too much.

We've done 2017 stuff before because we've done Mother. I, the more I think about 2017, the more I'm just like, thank God we had Lady Bird that year, because like it was such an oasis of like pure goodness and nobody had to like, you never had to argue about Lady Bird. Even if people didn't like it, they just sort of like kind of quietly didn't like it. Nobody had to make a big deal about anything. And like mostly you just kind of loved it and, and, you know, appreciated it for what it was. I think of call me by your name and Lady Bird paired in that way. for me, although Call Me By Your Name had some controversy at the time. Obviously, no.

Yeah, call me by your name. Yeah, call me by your name led me to some, like, really snitty moments where I'm just, like, yelling at gay people who wanted it to have, like, explicit sex scenes. And I was just like, you're fucking stupid. But other than that, Lady Bird was very uncomplicated for me. But then also, the BFG was the other big out-of-competition movie. Oh, my God. Right, which I've still never seen.

No, me either. I don't need to. Save yourself. I don't need to. I don't think I'm going to hate it. I just like, it just seems boring to me. No one needs to be a Spielberg completist for just for the sake of it. Listen, I love Warhorse enough to not have to see the BFG. Like, that's my transaction. I paid at the office. You're going to ask me to see the BFG instead of watching Lincoln again. No, thank you. And then competition that year was also really good though. Like L, Paul Verhoeven's L was that year. The Handmaiden was that year. Pedro Mottivar's Julietta, which I loved. American Honey.

Patterson. Tony Erdman. Which I love. Jim Jarmish is Patterson. Olivia S.A.S.'s personal shopper. The salesman was that year. And then what wins the Palm Door is Ken Loach's I, Daniel Blake, a movie that nobody ever talks about, ever.

Or saw. No. Like, from the moment it won, people were like, yeah, I'm not. not going to see that movie. It's just like, like, life's too short. I don't even know how long it is. Like, Tony Erdman was the long one that year. Yeah, it's only 100 minutes, but people are just like,

Ken Loach wins in Palm Dora. It's just like, I don't need to see that, do I? And the people who saw it were like, no, you don't. It's not bad. It's just you don't need to see it. This is my favorite can ceremony, though, because this is when Zavia Dilan wins the Grand Prix. Oh, right.

Who, whatever bitchy gay person is working the control board cuts to a completely non-plussed Mads-Mickleson just like no words for Xavier de Lahn's emotionalism in winning his prize and crying for several minutes that wasn't even the biggest

belly flop of that festival though because that was also the year of Sean Penn directing that movie with Charlize Theron and Javier Bardem where he has that like wig and all that makeup oh no that's the one that's like said in Africa Right?

Yes. Yes. The last face. Something like that. Something like that. This is the movie that made can change their embargo rules because the press saw it before the premiere and was tweeting stuff about how shitty the movie was and apparently pissed Sean Penn off who has to walk the red carpet for this movie that has been eviscerated already. I can't believe something would have pissed Sean Penn off. crazy. That's wild.

Joe, you went down that laundry list of like acclaimed international titles. I was like, I haven't seen any of these. What the fuck? What was I doing? You should see a bunch of those. They're all really good. Yeah, but I went on maternity leave. I was going to say, yeah, where was this in your maternity journey? I was like, this is why I did not see any these. You were having a child.

Yeah. I feel like I'm now like, you know, this year I'm doing much better on international features than I have in a while. I'm like, okay, I'm out of the, planning out of the valley where I can see things again. Wait, Katie, I did, I did want to bring this up. I'm glad you mentioned your work situation, though, at least elliptically. For Money Monster, do you remember any kind of, did you like, did Vanity Fair do any features on any of the Money Monster people?

You mentioned Katrina Belf, obviously, so you were doing something about her for this movie or for Outlander? Yeah, it was for this movie. I probably was the only one who did anything. And I had a very, oh, let's see, somebody interviewed Jody Foster at Cannes, I guess. Julie Miller talked to her a can. So, yeah, we were at, we had like our can party that year probably. Sure, sure.

Jody Foster did some press. And then, yeah, I talked to Katrina Balfe and who was lovely. But, yeah, that seems to be. I don't think there was, like, no one was on the cover of Vanity Fair for this as far as I know. She is so beautiful. Like, she's a great actress. I don't want to, like, diminish her or whatever by, like, bringing up, like, her beauty. But, like, she's, like, so incredibly beautiful in, in Belfast.

Yeah. Like, it's, she's, I really like her in that movie. And also she has this one moment towards the end, the moment in the trailer where Jamie Dornan is singing, uh, she's dancing also at that, in that scene. And she's so captivating and just really like lovely and charming. And I don't know. I really like her in that movie. Well, like the rule about, you know, like there's everyone in a movie is going to be more

beautiful than people in real life. And so when you're making a movie by your own childhood, like you're kind of friend. You're casting beautiful people. But he like pays attention. to how beautiful the people are that he guesses his parents in Belfast. It's like a plot point almost how incredible they are. Well, and it seemed for a second that like Outlander had its moment, like, which was around Money Monster time, actually.

Yes. But like she was like, she had, did she win like a Golden Globe or a SAG or something like that? Or she was nominated for some stuff. And it really seemed like she was sort of on the cusp. And before Belfast, it made me realize that like, oh, we haven't really seen her in anything. Maybe she was on, like, another television show that just like... Well, she was in Ford versus Ferrari, which is easy to forget.

Yeah, it is because I totally forgot it. But I would love for her to sort of, you know, for this movie to be a road back to her being in more movies that I see and remember because... And she also is part of that sorority with Carrie Coon and Anna Torve, where they all look similar enough that I want them to play sisters in a movie. Like, speaking of Woody Allen, we don't need to remake Hannah and her sisters. but, like, give me the Hannah and her sisters of those three. Like, just like... I just had a real, like, flash of revelation looking at Katrina Bout's I&B page because for the fighting in the war room episode where we're talking about 2011 movies,

not to bring it up again, I rewatched Super 8, which I had not seen since 2011, and there's all these flashback scenes with the mom. And I was like, she looks like Katrina Bout. That's not her. She's just on my mind. It is her. No kidding. No kidding.

Oh, wow. She's like mostly in still photos and home videos, I think, entirely. I had no. idea. That's a good pull on your part, though. I mean, I like, I brush it off because I'm like, that wouldn't have been heard. That doesn't make any sense, but there you go. That's fantastic. Yeah. God, good job. Man, Super 8. That's like a movie that people don't really talk about anymore either. That is like, yeah. But it's so much better than I think the things that came after that were sort of trying to be Super 8, right? Yeah. I stick up for stranger things in a lot of ways,

like, not entirely, but like certain, you know, aspects of that show, I think are better. than people give it credit for. But, like, it doesn't hold a candle to Super 8. And, like, the new Ghostbusters seems like it's trying to do a Super 8 thing. And it's just like, I'd rather just watch Super 8 again. Is New Ghostbusters out yet? Are we in the post Ghostbusters time? Chris, you know release dates better than I do.

That is a Thanksgiving movie. I believe it opens the week. This episode drops. There we go. Thank you very much. Or it might have been, like, the pre-year. No, I think it's the 19th. So the movie should be out by now.

Oh, speaking of Carrie Coon, actually. I forgot she was in them. Yeah. God. Give her something better to do it. than fucking Ghostbusters. It's true. I mean, so does everybody in Ghostbusters.

Again, I know nobody likes the Stranger Things kid, but I think he deserves better to that, too. Justice for him in the Goldfinch, I'm the only person who likes him in the Goldfinch, but I think he's good in the Goldfinch. I like him in the Goldfinch. Goldfinch is bad. He's good.

He is. And also Paul Rudd, God, I watched, I just reviewed for Primetimeer the Paul Rudd TV show on Apple TV Plus, the shrink next door, the one that's based on the podcast that all that show made me do was want to go and listen to that podcast because I'm like the podcast is going to get to the fucking point and not dilly dally around for like many episodes and make me wait to get to the good part like so it's like the opposite of only murders in the building where it really is a uh only murders in the building only murders in the building a complete oasis of a television program yeah it is it is the lady bird of this year's tv season which is a thing you're get to like. That is absolutely accurate.

So many shows that I like nowadays that could conceivably end after one season, I get so mad when they don't end after one season. Like, talk to me once they announce that mayor of East Town is coming back for season two and you will watch me murder something. Like, the nearest, like, mailbox will get torn out of its hinges or something. Like, something will happen. I'll get so mad. But, like, only murders in the building is the rare show that, like, could have ended after

one season and it would have been a perfect little season. but they're like, we're going to do a second season. I was just like, yes, good. Like, this can, this can, you know, accommodate that. And it can cast more people of this perfect strata of guest star that, like, it's exactly the sweet spot of what I want. Where it's just like Michael Cyril Creton and Jane Howdeshell and Jackie Hoffman and what's her face from High Fidelity? No, from High Fidelity, Chris, your fave. Oh, divine joy Randolph.

Oh, yeah. Yes. No, I was thinking of Ali Stroker, who won the Tony for Allie Stroker, Alie Stroker, Jabuki Young White, like, it's so well cast, the guest cast on only mergers in the building rules, and also, again,

speaking as somebody of looking for a new apartment experience, the deep size that I let out, watching that movie, or watching that show, being like all of my Upper West Side hopes and dreams. Like, that's all I think of them. These people don't appreciate these apartments enough.

I would appreciate them. My God. live in Selena Gomez's rundown apartment. Oh, yeah, that place is huge. I would live in the air ducts of that building. Like, I swear to God, it's all I could afford in that building. And you'd witness all the murders. I would. God, I would be so, uh, I would be so important to the plot of that movie or that show. Anyway, it'd be the Amy Ryan of season two. She's so good on that too. But also, like, you know, credit where credit is due, Martin Short and Steve Martin are having their moment on that show. And God bless them. I'm so happy for them.

I feel like it's the least hip thing in the world to be like, you know who's really funny is Steve Martin? I'm saying. I agree with you. But it's so true in this case. Like every single time they reference Brazos on that show, I'm just like, chef's kiss. It's perfect.

And then the cameo that I know most people have seen who shows up to play his body double from Brazos, but like I don't even want to give it away because it's such a great gag. Yeah. Love that show. All right. Anything we want to say,

to wrap up our Money Monster discussion. Greta Lee is in this. Greta Lee is in this. We all recognize her, which is incredible. I will say, I really like Emily Mead as an actress, and part of me felt bad that all she had to do in this movie is be like the shrew of the movie. But, like, it was such a surprise little twist and turn

in what was expected that I really appreciated her. and, I don't know, props to her for that. Yeah, it's a really broad character, but it's a fun plot purpose that she gets to serve. Yeah, I agree. I will end on a hopeful note for us all because I mentioned the oceans of it all. This will not be the last time

that we will see George Clooney and Julia Roberts reunited. They are doing the latest movie from O'L Parker, the Mamma Mia 2 guy, Mr. Tandyway Newton, Let me just read you the logline of this movie. I'm guessing Caitlin Dever is playing their daughter. She's in the cast list. Love it.

But a divorced couple that teams up and travels to Bali to stop their daughter from making the same mistake they think they made 25 years ago. Are they going to get back together on this island? This sounds, I'm so excited for whatever this will be. This sounds like it has Mamma Mia energy. I'm very happy. It is called Ticket to Paradise. Old Parker, of course, who not only directed. Mamma Mia, here we go again,

but also the second best exotic Marigold Hotel, which is a good sequel to a good movie. Should we do IMDB game? Yeah. Yes, let's do it. Chris, tell the listeners.

You guys, every episode, we end with the IMDB game where we challenge each other with an actor or actress to try to guess the top four titles that IMDB says they are most known for. If any of those titles are television, voice-only performances or non-acting credits, we will mention that up front.

After two wrong guesses, we'll get the remaining titles release years as a clue. And if that's not enough, it just becomes a free-for-all of hints and Lakers dancers and, you know, stuff. George Clooney and funny laughs. Right. George Clooney making jokes about balls.

That was the whole other section of this movie. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Katie is our illustrious guest. Uh, would you like to, all right, you've got two decisions to make. Do you want to give or guess first? And in which direction do you want to set this little round robin going?

Um, I will give first because I will be thinking about how this is going to go when I do my own thing if I don't go first. And then I guess I'm going to pick Joe to give to. All right. So you will give to me. I will give to Chris. Chris will give to you. So you started off, Katie. Let's hear what you got.

Okay. I'm picking a psychotically hard one. Um, in the hopes that you would not do the same. for me. But I felt like you could handle it. So I was going on the Jack O'Connell route and looking at his big breakout in Start Up, which came out in 2013. And he's in that.

The big other player in that is Ben Mendelsso. I assumed you guys had done Ben Mendelsso at some point. I might have even done it with you guys at some point. It'd break a bell. So I went with another person who has a name who's in that movie, which is Rupert Friend. Rupert Friend. This is. Is there any television?

No, there's not. So no homeland? No. Great. Okay. That helps, right? Sure, I guess. It would help more if it was homeland. All right.

Well, my favorite performance of his of all time, we mentioned this movie in relation to Andrea Reisbrough recently, but Rupert Friend and Death of Stalin is so fucking funny. When he tries to spit on the people who are holding him down and it lands on his face is hysterical. He also calls the hockey team a pack of clattering fannies. It's so funny. So I'm going to guess the Death of Stalin.

Yes, that is on there. Okay. I'm also going to guess, oh, this is such a shot in the dark. The Young Victoria. Yes. All right, two for two. He's on the poster in that. Yeah, but who remembers the Young Victoria?

And also, if you had put Rupert Friend in the rundown of Killian Murphy and everyone else, like I would never have nailed him down. So this is why I'm glad you're doing this and not me. All right. Rupert Friend could be a subject of a Like Rupert Friend, Douglas Booth No, Douglas Booth belongs in the one with like Brenton Thwaites.

Like that's a whole other. That's a whole other one. We've got so many more, Katie. Keep on coming on so I can keep doing this psychotic quiz for you guys. Okay. All right. Well, if people remember the young Victoria, maybe they remember Cherie?

No. No. No. Strike one. He's so hot in Cherie. God damn it. He's so hot in that movie. Michelle Pfeiffer knew what she was doing in that one.

All right. Rupert Friend, British stuff. I feel like he was in something when he was like just starting out that I'm not going to remember. I think you, yeah, I think you're on a good track there. Yeah. It's like something gay, right? Oh, maybe. That's not what I'm thinking of him, though.

No, maybe I'm confusing him with something else. No, I think I'm confusing him with Rupert Graves. Never mind. Okay, Rupert Friend. Um, shoot. This is going to bother me now. Okay. You're doing great.

You should have been Homeland. No, I'm doing okay. Now I'm going to have to start, like, guessing things that, like, maybe he's in, but maybe he's not. So you can get some hints. Yeah, maybe, maybe. Is he in, um, um, state of play oh no

or that's at least not in his known for us I guess he wouldn't be more likely in the British state of play you mean the movie version that have you guys done that as of the set of Oscar Muskie? No but we should

that would be a good one that TV show was so good and the movie was not as good okay um okay so now wait so now that's your two okay so now you have 2015 and 2005 a 10 year gap

okay so the 2005 one's the early 2005 British thing Which has a lot of actors in it And like we talk about all these actors But nobody ever talks about Is he and Mrs. Henderson presents? No

Aim better and better Remembered Okay This is a movie This is a movie that's like That's very still well loved Okay Launched a director that the three of us all love.

Oh, it's Pride and Prejudice. I didn't remember him in that. He's Wickham. He's the shit heel. Of course he is. Yeah, he's handsome and untrustworthy. Oh, you're right. All right.

The other one is 2015. The last one is kind of brutal, but he is the star of this movie. Wait, have we, did I talk about it in my quiz that I gave you? No, no. Definitely not. So it's not free fire. This is a movie that I would not know the existence. if I were not looking at this IMDB page.

All right. Is he like a main star? Is it an ensemble thing? He is the titular role. It is a franchise movie that he was not previously in. He replaced the original headliner. Yeah. And it's based on a video game.

Oh, shit. I know. This is rough. I can tell you the original headliner. When you say titular, do you mean it's a name? name, or do you mean like he's the assassin in Assassin's Creed? A little bit of both, I mean

Assassin is pretty close to it. I think, yeah, think of the synonym for Assassin, and you might get the title of this movie. Hitman, the hitman, hitman, just Hitman. Hitman 2, Hitman, Electric Bugaloo. Hitman, never stop, never stop. Keep going, perhaps go 45

times more. Hitman, here we go again. Wait, 45 times more. Hitman 2 plus 45 Colan agent Hitman for Agent 47 There we go Jesus Christ

That's really wrong Two things about Rupert Friend Whenever somebody brings up Rupert Friend I remember the line From Silence of the Lambs Buffalo Bill's real name Is Louis Friend

Right exactly And also Rupert Friend's third credit Third Credit is the movie That we originated The Candle Movie idea From Mrs. Palfrey at the Claremont

with Joan Plowery. Oh, the sweater movie? The movie with him in the giant Yeah, yes, exactly. Yeah, he's in a giant like scarf and sweater. It looks like the poster has since updated from the one that we... Oh, that sucks.

That original poster was so good. It was the fluffiest sweater I'd ever seen. Well, you're guessing he was in Mrs. Henderson Presents really wasn't so far off with Mrs. No, it really wasn't. I was also thinking while we're talking about Rupert friend, he's really good at Eternity's Gate, a movie that is fine in varying ways,

but he's Van Gogh's brother and shows up in these really lovely scene sure right remember how

Oster Isaac plays is it Gogh in the movie and nobody like you could nobody could tell you a single thing

about him in that movie whatsoever it's so weird what a weird Oscar nomination that was okay

all right I'm glad I did as well as I did in that one because that was very tough all right Chris I'm giving to you

so we talked about Jody Foster's directorial career. Her very first movie was a movie called Little Man Tate, where she starred opposite one Diane Weist. And somehow we've never done Diane Weiss before on this. How have we never done Diane Weist?

I don't know. But have at it. Interesting. Hannah and her sisters. Correct her first Oscar. Edward's Scissorhands. Correct. Avon calling. Diane Weist is here.

She's so, I will say, for as much as the Oscars have been very good to Diane Weist, I will always be a little sad that they didn't appreciate that movie because she was so incredibly worthy of a supporting actress nomination for that movie. She's so wonderful in that. The supporting actress nomination for that movie is Kathy Baker. Thank you. Listen, there's room enough for both as far as I'm concerned. I love you, Diane Ladd and Wild at heart, but like, you could have made room. It's fine. Oh, ouch Okay, the question is Do I think the other Oscar nomination is in there Or her other Oscar win, I mean And that

I'm just going to say yes, bullets over Broadway Correct, you are three for three Bullets over Broadway Uh-oh, uh-oh Pressure, could you go four for four? Because I almost got a perfect score last time too Okay And I said no television

so it's not her upcoming CBS series mayor of Kingstown with Jeremy. Which is not a mayor of Easttown spin-off. Are you kidding? Which is not a mere of Easttown spin-up. Okay. Okay, fine. Okay. I'm going to guess because we are coming off of spooky season, practical magic.

Unfortunately, no. Her turn as Aunt Jet? What's the other one? I can't remember the Stocker-Channon character, but I think Diane Weist is Aunt Jet. Anyway, no, it's not that. Can I also say, though, speaking of CBS, Diane Weist, since 2019,

so in the last two years, has been in as many CBS series as she's been in feature films. Yikes. Oh, wow. She was on Life and Pieces. She's on Mayor of Kingstown, and then she has two other movies,

and that has been what you. she's up to. I mean, she can do what she wants at this point. Listen, get your money, Diane. Get your money. All right, one strike. I guess my last guess is going to be the bird cage. The bird cage is correct.

Thank goodness. Got it. She is, again, phenomenally good in that movie. Everybody is, of course. But her line reading of somebody has to like me best is one of my favorites in a movie with like eight billion fantastic line ratings. Before we leave Diane, I have to ask you guys, have you seen the movie The Ten that has all of the state people and Paul Red

and, you know, the White Had Americans on a group. I feel like I have, but I don't remember much about it. So it's a very weird movie as with all the anthologies. It's about the Ten Commandments, right? Each one is like a little video out about the Ten Commandments. And I honestly don't even remember how this happens. But at one point, Paul Rudd near the end of the movie runs into his ex. And she's like, oh, you bet.

He's like, yeah, I'm dating again. I'm dating Diane Weist, actually. And then it's just really, I just, I hear Paul Rudd's voice saying Diane Weist every time that her name comes down. Speaking of somebody who can give a good line reading. Oh, yeah. All right. Good job, Chris. Diane Weist.

Indeed. Oh, okay. So, Katie, for you, I have also a, I went back through Jody Foster's directorial output. and I went somewhat more tragically with her star of the beaver, Mr. Anton Yeltsin, who I thought Joe was going to deceive us in his game. I know. Well, I guess he was too American, or I guess he was not born in America. But so anyway, yeah, sad story with Anton Yelchin.

Oh, it makes me sad. Okay. Let's start with the first Star Trek. Correct. Okay. He is wonderful in the Star Trek. He really is. he is wonderful in the Star Trek's um he made so many small movies and i feel like he had

these child movies that i'm not going to remember out that well um is like crazy on there like crazy is on there oh yay that movie's not great but he's he's good the movie isn't great you're right but he's charming um all right let's the second Star Trek on there Star Trek into darkness no okay am i out of story you're not going to tell me if I'm out of Star Trek's I got a guess again um all right i think he is an alpha dog which is a movie i've never seen he is an alpha dog but that is incorrect so your years are 2001 and 2015 oh 2001 oh see that's the like kid acting thing yeah that i was thinking about that i this is uh notorious september 11th cinema oh like a movie that was out around yeah that opened like a week or two

two after 9-11. Oh, yeah. I doubt he's in glitter. Is he in that movie that had like the upside-down American flag in the posters and they had to like pull it out of marketing? Do you know what I don't think that was this poster? I know what one you're talking about. I can't remember the title of it.

That like action blockbuster thing. Collateral damage. Well, that got pushed completely. Yeah. Okay, notorious post-9-11 cinema. All right, I guess skip that one for now. 2015 It's an adaptation of an author

who gets a lot of adaptations these days. Ooh. I was just thinking like Metrograph should do a series on like notorious post-9th in cinema. And it's like just redo the fall of 2001 and like run all those movies for a month.

Okay, you say these days, it's not Stephen King, is it? Is Stephen King? Okay, he's kind of getting a ton of adaptations all the time, really. Yeah. is an adaptation of a Stephen King's short story from like one of his books that has a bunch of short stories I believe oh like a novella I think it was one of those like novella

it's not Dr. Sleep no yeah it's not Dr. Sleep that's more recent than that uh they didn't remake stand by me the headline star is a very recent Oscar winner oh um okay it's not Daniel Kaluya, probably. Oh, is Anthony Hopkins? Yes. Okay, well, he was in, what, Hearts and Atlantis. Yes, it is Hartz and Atlantis. Wait, 2015?

No, you're talking about 2001. This is the 2001. Okay. Well, okay. So now it's Heartz and Atlantis. Okay. I was thinking that was the 2015. Oh, no, no, no, no.

The 2015 movie, though, was mentioned earlier in this episode. Oh. In the game that Cho gave us. Oh, my God. Is he in the heart of the sea? No. No, that was later. This is the movie that he gave us that I guessed Anton Yeltson.

Oh, Free Fire? No. No. Close. Also an A-24 movie. This is... You would think I've been here this whole time and paying attention. Callum Turner is in this movie.

You were going through the Jack Rayner filmography in your head. I know. Oh, this is the one that also has Callum Turner and? Yes. Oh, Green Room. Green Room. I never saw that one, but people thought he was good in that one. It's intense.

It's good. You don't like the, the, like, scary, violent movies. No, it's not going to be for me. And then he dies, what, in, like, 2016, 2017? 2017. No, 2016. Ugh. Very sad.

Yeah. So he's a kid in Hearts and Atlantis, huh? Yes. I never saw that movie. He's also that same year he was in Along Came a Spider, which was the Alex Cross movie, the second of the Alex Cross movies, playing just a fully Russian little kid. Dimitri Starodubov in that movie. I'm trying to remember awake. I guess I was aware of who he was before Star Trek because of like Alpha Dog and fierce people and Charlie Bullitt.

dog was the big one because he was like the focus of that movie's plot was like he gets kidnapped by like mean kids or whatever. I also thought he was good in Terminator Salvation, a movie that I think has been rightly forgotten. But he was Kyle Reese and was not bad. The credit in Star Trek Beyond when his, when they say like dedicated to Anton Yelchin, I burst into tears in the theater. It was so surprising to me because like I wasn't expecting to and all of a sudden.

Like I'm watching the movie and I was just like, oh, It's so sad that he died. And then they get to the end and they're like, we did it. They said there was like some like nice mention about like Anton Yelchin. And I just zero to 60 burst into tears. It was the craziest thing. Well, that movie was so like cheerful and low-key compared to the... I love that movie.

Star Trek Beyond is really good. Yeah. I really like it a lot. Yeah, I love 2009 Star Trek held a huge, huge place in my heart. Well, Winona Ryder. I mean, yeah. She gets blown up on a... Tatooine, whatever the fuck.

Wait, no, she doesn't get blown up, though. Don't they rescue her? I can't remember now. I don't remember what happens in action movies. I guess I got to look this up now. I will say, speaking of the movies of that ilk, I was watching one of the cable, it must have been TNT, maybe, or TBS was running all the Star Trek movies in, like, chronological order.

And so they had Rogue One, right, going into the first Star Trek. I still think Rogue One is the best. You just called it Star Trek and so the Star Wars. Or Star Wars. Sorry, sorry, sorry. All this stuff is swirling in my head. Rogue One going into the first Star Wars. Rogue one going into the first Star Trek would be weird.

People would have been like, what's going on? What happened? Nerds would have rioted. Is what? Yeah. No, I think Rogue One is my favorite of the new Star Trek. Or Star Wars, fuck. Of the new Star Wars movies.

I keep trying to say something incendiary and I'm tripping myself up. Katie, next time you come back, we're going to Just, we're going to make quiz for Joe where we say plot lines for Star Trek and Star Wars movies, and he has to tell us. Can Joe tell apart the most wide-ranging and popular science fiction franchises of all time? It would be really fun to be like, this alien race kidnaps this human, like, take out all the proper nouns, because then it might be really hard. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, justice for Rogue One. Okay.

Katie Rich. Thank you again. for joining us. Oh, what a delight. We love having you. You are our, you are like, you're like second, but very close second to stuffing as far as our favorite. So, um, you are ahead of the cranberry sauce. So, uh, very good.

You got to have the stuffing and the cranberry sauce combined. No, it's true. It's true. Um, yeah, that is the key. So again, uh, the invitation is always open. We love having you. We love showing up on your podcasts. Like, this is, uh,

This is, we've got a good thing going here. We've got a good racket happening. You guys will be back soon. I will continue listening and texting you about things that you recorded a month earlier. Yes. Oh, yeah. We talked about that. Thank you.

No, I always appreciate that. It's always very fun. So, uh, wait, Chris, before we send Katie on her way, is there anything we need to talk about a mailbag or listeners choice? Just a reminder that we are both doing a listener's choice episode and a mailbag episode. So send us in your questions to be answered on our mailbag episode. You have still about another week to do so. And then send in your listener's choice, one movie per listener, nothing after 2019.

Can't wait to do those. All right. Katie, where can our listeners find you if they want to read more from you or see your thoughts on things? Or maybe you don't want them to stay alone on your little internet island. Oh, what an option that would be. You can find me on the Little Goldman Podcast of Vanity Fair talking about this Oscar race. And, you know, future this had Oscar as contenders, I'm sure, are already out there. And then on the heavily promoted fighting in the war room this episode, where we're doing a quarter quill talking about Super 8 and, what was it, whatever the other thing, water for elephants and some other movies and other stuff on a weekly basis.

I love the fighting in the war room quarter quells, most especially. So, like, I cannot wait. The fact that we're doing this as our 10th anniversary, because it was actually last year, but we forgot and thought it was this year. and now we're just doing it as an anniversary episode, I think he says a lot. I weirdly still remember back when it was called Operation Keno. Listening, I literally have this very vivid sense memory of walking around Lincoln Center. I was walking to that movie theater there to go see Holy Motors, and I was listening to your best of what it had been, 2012, what year was Holy Motors.

Yeah, 2013, 2012. Yeah, just I remember listening to that episode and being so, Yes, it was, it was 2012 because that was the same one I remember were like, you were sticking up for Cloud Atlas and I was like, this lady, this lady is my friend. Oh, that is my brand now and forever.

Yeah, yeah. So an enduringly fantastic podcast. So thank you so much. Chris, where can our listeners find you on the internet? You can find me on letterbox and Twitter at KrispyFile. That is F-E-I-L. Yeah, you can find me on Twitter at Joe Reed,

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