This Had Oscar Buzz - 188 – Wild Mountain Thyme

Episode Date: April 4, 2022

We’re cracking the seal on our Class of 2020 films and somehow manage to do it without miring ourselves in the depression that was the first covid year! And as promised, we’re talking about Wild Mountain Thyme, the oddball romantic comedy from Moonstruck Oscar winner John Patrick Shanley, adapted from his Tony-nominated play Outside Mullingar. … Continue reading "188 – Wild Mountain Thyme"

Uh-oh, wrong house. No, the right house. I didn't get that! We want to talk to Marilyn Hacks. I'm from Canada. I'm from Canada, Water. Welcome to Ireland. Once upon a time, there were two farms.

The Malbun farm, where Rosemary lived, and right down the road was my farm, where my son Anthony asked his lonely question of the stars. Why did you make me so? Rosemary Muldoon. He sought it with love. There's these green fields. And there's us.

Whatever that is, It's me here. How many says those things? Hello and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast constantly raising the circus tent for us all. Every week on This Head Oscar Buzz, we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had Lofty Academy Award aspirations, but for some reason or another, it all went wrong. The Oscar host died, and we're here to perform the autopsy. I am your host, Chris Fyle, and I'm here, as always, with my Blarney Stone, Joe Reed. You have me laughing with raising the circus time.

for us all, and doing it foolishly. Did we even say that during our water? I think we might have. I don't know. If we didn't, we might have, like, we might have gotten it in after the IMDB game. I really feel like the listeners that stick around to the very end. There are all-stars. They're the real ones.

Yeah. At our wildest. I'm always impressed when somebody, like, brings up a thing that we mentioned at the end of the podcast. I was just like, God bless you. God bless you for sticking through it. we are we are entertaining bell to bell like we we are bringing it every ball for the entire ball so good for you guys for recognizing that we have post-credit scenes we have mid-credit scenes it's true it's true you don't want to leave early you know you want to enjoy the whole thing

what if we have oh shit the credits are starting we need to get this in their scenes as far as I know, Wild Mountain Time did not have a post-credit scene, but honestly, I might have just turned it off too soon, because this movie had everything else. This movie had everything else in it, like, why wouldn't it have a post-credit scene? Where just Christopher Walken shows up and recruits, you know, all the leprechauns from the hills to do something. I don't know. The ghosts actually appear, the people that are talking to, well, I guess... I mean, that kind of does happen. We'll get into it in the plot description. That does kind of happen. Yeah.

crazy this crazy-ass movie here's the thing about this movie without well without getting into specifics just talking about broad terms i didn't see this movie until just yesterday slash today um exactly same and i remember but i certainly remember like the conversation around it and people talking about how well it was and i i there was a fair amount of there was like a fair amount of fascination with the movie which is sort of what made me want to see it but there was also a lot of people who just, like, hated this movie. And watching this movie, I'm like, well, it's unquestionably bad. And yet, I'm enjoying the experience of watching its badness. I'm like, I'm just sort of, my eyes are getting wider and wider with everything. And like, what is going on? This whole thing

is edited with a chainsaw. There is no coherent story going through this. John Hamm shows up for no earthly reason it's just and yet like I'm like well I'm like I'm at least along for this insane dumb ride you know what I mean like there was oh yeah it's total smooth brain but like yeah I enjoyed the vibe but what a weird vibe like weird vibe not a good movie but like okay and I'm not the first one to say this this movie isn't not not not John Patrick Shanley trying to basically end a movie in the same way where it's like happy romantic conclusion let's think about their descent not their descendants

but their ancestors ancestors you know like the people that came before them the romances that came before them that formed them which always makes me cry in Moonstruck I always cry at the ending of Moonstruck but this is just kind of like like silly and hokey and cheesy.

This movie doesn't have a firm enough grasp on how exactly it wants to be whimsical, so it just sort of gets away from itself. Which is crazy because this is John Patrick Shanley adapting his own stage play. He had a while to refine this and doesn't ever do it.

But you bring up Moonstruck, and I think that's important because to sort of table set for this movie. So this movie comes out in December of 2020. It was part of our Class of 2020 episode for... It's our first class of 2020 movie. We promised... I basically promised, and I forced you to abide by my promise, that this would be our first 2020 movie that we covered.

So we're breaking the seal on. And as of airing, we are on the other side of the Oscar ceremony, which means we can break the seal on this year. Can you believe Amy Schumer said that thing? I can't believe she got in trouble for that. Oh, my God. That really disappointing winner, everyone was so mad. I know.

I can't believe that they, you know, did that time-wasting thing when they couldn't present all the awards. I'm furious. All right. All of that's going to happen. Everything we've predicted will be true. Okay. But so this movie comes out in December of 2020. So, like, we're a good nine months into the pandemic.

And one of the, we've talked about this before, one of the great pandemic totems was that like three month period where everybody watched Moonstruck. And some people were watching it again. And a lot of people were discovering it for the first time. Like Moonstruck was like kind of should have won best picture for 2020 because it was, it was the movie of the year. It was the film of the year. And so watching then, people have to reckon with Wild Mountain Time and being like, This is the same guy who wrote Moonstruck. And, like, so many of the reviews were really trying to wrestle with, like,

I can't believe this is the same guy. I liked Moonstruck so much. What does that say about me? That I liked a movie so much by the guy who delivered this. And there was a lot of, like, existential angst that I don't think would have been there if we were not in that specific period of time. Well, if we weren't in that specific period of time, people wouldn't have watched this movie. Well, probably true.

There's so much to like this movie that I think that is like, you know, we were a starved for a lot of things, but I think the Oscar race was also specifically starved for like product to the point that the like eventual Oscar nominees is a very few assortment of movies and it's a lot of movies that in other years probably wouldn't have done as well as they did. Well, and we can only really talk about this movie for this podcast because it had pretty specifically Golden Globes buzz. of people were sort of anticipating Golden Globe nominations for Dornan and or Emily Blunt in the musical or comedy categories, which is funny because this is neither a musical nor a comedy. Like, this is... I think it thinks it's a comedy. I think people think it's a comedy because they laughed at it. But I think that's not the same thing as it being a comedy.

It's, I mean, there are whimsical moments to it, but I don't know. I think I'm trying to like figure out like what were the things that were meant to be funny and I'm not entirely sure when I think I mean I do kind of think it wants to do for Irish people what Moonstruck did with Italian people however John Patrick Shanley and in between the rolling heather like yes basically yeah I mean it has a hot guy it does it has two hot guys actually It has a female lead with a wild mane of hair. Well, it has an astoundingly beautiful female lead who is presented as if she's been scrubbing floors for the entirety of her life. You know what I mean? And just like, and at least in Moonstruck, we get the great sort of glow up, right? where, you know, Loretta gets her makeover and whatnot.

And in this, she doesn't really, and it's not like I'm going through this going, like, you know, she needs a makeover. It's because one of the problems of this movie is Emily Blunt and Jamie Dornan still very much look like Emily Blunt and Jamie Dornan. So you're watching this movie and being like, just realize that you're both wildly beautiful and get together. You're the two most beautiful people in this entire county, perhaps country, like just. Like, your people need you at this point to do the right thing. I almost had an issue with their beauty, though, because they were conceivable brother and sister. And, like, the relationship of these characters that they've, like, known each other since childhood, I had to constantly remind myself. And, like, living in the same house, like, I had to remind myself they are not brother and sister.

Their farms were touching each other growing up, and so that feels like in some way, that's what I mean. That's what I mean. It was sort of just like they grew up, like, essentially living in the same, on the same property as not actual relatives, but like kissing cousins. No pun intended, because there was no kissing until. The same property that the movie reminds us several times, they don't know how big it is. No, nobody knows how big it is. She has no idea what an acre is. Like, they have no...

This is how you know they're pure people because they don't know the acreage. They own, it's just their land. They just feel the land. But they also don't seem to have a whole ton of interest in the actual act of farming, either. You know what I mean? Like, they seem to not really want to do that either. So, like, there's just these two, especially him, sort of take aloofness to the next level. And she's not aloof.

She's, like, steely determination to, like, have this guy fall in love with her. And he is, like, looking at the ground with his metal detector and talking to the bees. and, you know, rowing his little rowboat around and hearing voices, and he's quite... Jamie Dornan, just wandering fields with his metal detector. Huge, here's me, energy. No thoughts, just bees. Like, that is Jamie Dornan in this movie. Not the bees.

Not the bees. We'll definitely... I will say we'll get into it, and yet, will we? Because what is... Like, I... Yeah, the big, like, this movie is crazy. Blah, blah, blah, blah. that like there was a ton of pieces about it and it's like it's a line in the movie it's so tossed off it is not examined at all it is like lingered out for half a second and it's one of those things where literally like if you're watching this movie at home and you're checking your phone you could conceivably miss it and if you don't then you're just sort of like I'm sorry what now like what are we saying and the fact that the movie seems to just sort of accept it at face value I don't know it's the wild well it is the way it is the way

Well, she accepts it at face value, which is like, there's something about that that I actually found kind of sweet. Sure. Yes, I agree. It's less wild that it happens because I'm like, oh, this is about a romance between two furries who aren't furries. Yes, I mean, kind of. It's something like that, you know, but like it is wilder that the movie just, like, doesn't examine it. or like unpack it really and you get like the most you get of that is the visual call back to them when they're children and he's sniffing flowers right we'll get into it more yes they do call back to that but also that moment even I was expecting to have like a radioactive honeybee sort of emerge from the flower and like sting him or something he's spider man but for bees right doesn't spider man have a character like that Spider-Man but for bees?

Yeah. Maybe. I don't know Spider-Man lore well enough, but, like, it's very possible. The Thomas Hayden Church character wears a striped sweater. Maybe you're thinking of that. Thomas Hayden Church is Sandman. He's made of sand. Is there a Hornet?

Is there a Hornet character? There might be. There might be. Here's the other thing. So by the time this episode premieres, Bridgeton Season 2 will have premiered, and I've watched to the screeners for the first few episodes. And Bridgerson, season two, also has a wildly more prominent than you expect bee situation going on.

So I'm like, what is going on on the British-Irish Isles that, like, that little corner of the world is being beset by plot-intensive bees in a way that I'm just not really sure what is happening. So it's been a very bee-centric week. end for me. Now you have to go watch B-Movie. Yeah, right. Also, I fucking hate B's. Like, here's the

other thing. And mostly when I say I hate B's, I mostly mean that I hate Yellow Jackets, which I know are not Bees. They are Hornets. But I fucking hate them. I've only been sung by a B once, and it took like a same, but that's all that it took. That's, I don't need it

to happen a second time. They're terrifying. Anyway. Anyway, I can't believe a little bit that we're approaching this episode with such a plumb, given the Oscar race we're talking about. The movie here we are talking about. Why? Explain. Talk. It's the first COVID. Oh, yes. Then we're talking about the most whimsical, sort of like, oddly divorced from reality. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. We're talking now we're talking about the COVID one. And, but, But it also kind of makes sense because a lot of, I mean, it's always going to seem a little bit strange that Nomadland won best picture in the first COVID year because it was neither speaking on the issues, I mean, I guess tangentially, in the fact that like economic inequality touches everything.

But like it's not like a COVID movie. And yet it's also very much not an escapist movie, which was the thing that we, I think, were mostly looking towards. for that and it's funny that the big major movies of 2020 for the Oscars were like economic inequality um social justice sexual revenge uh dementia what are the you know what i mean it's just like everything is just like heavy in its own interesting way in the and i'm not saying that those are bad movies i generally thought the best picture lineup last year was pretty good but the most whimsical entrant in last year's best

picture race was Manc? Manc? I was going to say, yes! It was! Mank was the lighthearted movie of that best picture lineup. Love that Mank. Wild. I love Mank. You know I love Mank. I do. No, you love Mank.

Oh, love that Mank. All right. Yes. I'm kind of excited to talk about this movie Wild Mountain Time, where we haven't even gotten into and we shouldn't until after the plot description, the Debra Messing of it all. the fact that this is... I had to re-watch this.

It was well into the Wild Mountain Time discussion before I found out that this was an adaptation of Outside Mollongar, which is John Patrick Shanley's own play, that I did not see, but I was aware of during

that time. That's sort of 2014 Tony Awards season. It was nominated for Best Play. It was not nominated for Best Actress in Play. Deborah Messing was not very well reviewed, I will say, for her performance. I have questions, namely, have the people of Ireland seen what Deborah Messing has done to file them? I think they did, because they hated it. They, like, sad.

I know that they hated the movie, and this movie got a lot of blowback that we'll talk about. Oh, they hated the play? Yeah, there was at least one review in the, like, Irish Times or whatever like that. that was just like a like an absolute travesty just and a lot of the reviews for wild mountain time talked about how the accents were bad which ate nothing compared to what the accents were and like outside monger is debor messing and then it's brian f obern who is like a very good actor and who you know is actually irish i believe right does not have accent issues well as is jamy dornan like jami dornan was fine in this and i thought emily blount is like jami dornan's kind of good

in this. I think when people talked about how bad the accents were in Wild Mountain Time, they were mostly talking about Christopher Walken, which fair, because the movie does open with his voiceover. And it took me half a second to realize who it was, and then I literally just wrote down

not Irish Christopher Walken in like the capitaliest letters possible. No, the first thing that I wrote. I got it from the first sentence out of his disembodied mouth. And I was like, no. it's so odd because it is it's one of those things you know how um in like the exorcist or exorcism of emily rose or whatever i think it is in exorcism of emily rose that they

talk about how the thing where possessed people seem to speak two voices at the same time like their like their vocal cords are projecting two simultaneous voices and that's what this is like one of them is forward one is speaking backwards well what And one of them is, like, it's the Christopher Walken accent, which is, like, very specific. Like, nobody talks like this guy does. And then it's the Irish accent. And they're both happening at the same time. And it's the most unusual sonic experience.

And so when people talked about how bad the accents were, they were pretty much just talking about him, I feel like. And then outside Mollinger, they're just talking about Debra Messing, whose accent is Benooners. It's so weird. It's so strenuous, I don't know, is the only, is the only descriptor I can find. Apparently, Shanley made a statement that's like, well, if they sounded like real Irish people, no one in the world would be able to see it, and we're trying to reach a global audience, which A, L.O.L. B, what? Also, like, Martin McDonough plays do really, really well, and those are, like, you know,

like, the chapel of, you know, inish people. Broke or whatever. It's just like all of this just like incredibly heavily. The homestead of Marlbore Shire. Yeah, exactly. Yes, yeah. Calarney Town. Yes. So and I, again, here's the other thing. And I don't know, you may very well have a very different lived experience

than me, but like this movie repeats the song Will You Go, Last You Go, the Wild Mountain Time song. multiple times and every single time they did I kind of just like sighed deeply and sank into my seat because Irish music really you have Irish blood in your veins it's I do and and culturally like this is sort of like where I grew up like I grew up among this stuff and like this time of year especially we're recording this like only a couple days after St. Patrick's Day which is I will say a deeply annoying holiday and yet yes some of

my, not all of my experience, a lot of my experience of St. Patrick's Day was everybody's experience, which is going to bars and everybody's annoying and I hate it. But there were also certain St. Patrick's days where, like, my grandparents, who, like, their house was sort of adjacent to, like, their street perpendicular to the main road where the Irish Center was, so the South Buffalo Irish Center. And so they, every year on St. Patrick's Day, would go to the Irish Center, and they would eat their corned beef dinner, and they would listen to Irish music and they would watch the Irish dancers and they weren't even that Irish. Like my grandfather was like fully like first generation Scotland. And my grandmother was like part Irish and part other

things. But culturally, we were all in this very Irish sort of enclave growing up. So that was just sort of like what you did. And so like there were certain St. Patrick's days where I would go around and like bop into the Irish Center and see my grandparents and bop into this other pub in this other part to town and just like, you know, see other, my friends' relatives and whatever. And it was this weirdly, like, kind of old-fashioned way to celebrate the holiday, and there would be like a parade, and we would go to the parade. And then it would become, you know, belligerent drunks until 2 a.m. And it would be annoying.

But, you know, so there is. Random crap boys who are not actually Irish. See, I have Irish blood in me, but it's like Kentucky Irish. So it's different. Like, it doesn't quite hit me. in that way. And I don't think it's that closely, you know, related to, like, your grandparent was a Scottish immigrant, like you said.

And, like, I guess for me, I feel it in, like, Irish music and Irish dancing in Titanic. Yeah. Well, that's sort of, like, very similar to that, kind of. Like, it's similar to that in just sort of, like, that, I mean, like, I guess, like, the music and the dancing and whatnot. But, like, especially, like, songs like this that are just sort of, like, you know, sort of sad and beautiful. And I'm just like, oh, wow, like that's, you know, and then some of it's whiskey in the jar and whatever, and that's fun, too. But, uh... And it's, it's two different songs, but they're different song. Like, all of those sad little

Irish songs are the same song. Yes. Yeah, basically. Um, the sad, there's, your sad Irish song, and then there's your feisty Irish song. And, like, those are, like, those are your genres. Yes. both equally fun and um anyway so yes this is this movie is about a sad irish song and a feisty irish song falling in love yes it's true it's odd that's that's a great way to put it uh also before we get into the plot description yes can we talk about how long into the season did we realize that it was wild mountain time as in the herb yes not i ame but I had seen the title written out, so, like, I sort of got spoiled that way. And, like, there was also the second wave of that where it's like, okay, wait, it's not

intentionally a pun. No, it is the song. It's the song. Right. Like, there is no, no one's having a wild mountain time in this movie whatsoever. Like, boy, boy, boy, a wild mountain time. Which you had tweeted during the time of this movie. Uh-huh.

And I had forgotten about that because I had intended to bring that up. Yeah. I mean, how can we not? Us especially, how could we not? It's a Wild Mountain Time sun. Yeah. It's a Wild Mountain Time song. Weird movie.

Weird movie. Yeah. Movie about bees, love, and the homeland. Yeah. Joe, would you like to give us a 60-second plot description of Wild Mountain Time? Yes and no. I can't guarantee. I was saying before we started

to record, this is another one of those plot descriptions that could end up being 30 seconds, that could end up being 190 seconds. Who knows? Genuinely, who knows where I'm going to go with this. But all right. Let me assuage your fears by giving a little boilerplate before we

get into your plot description. Once again, listeners, we are here talking about Wild Mountain Time, directed and written by John Patrick Shanley based on his play Outside Mullingar, starring Emily Blunt, Jamie Dornan, John Hamm will get into it, Christopher Walken, Dearblow Malloy, Don Whitcherly, and Danielle Ryan.

The movie, uh, opened in whatever theaters were open. I was going to say. December 11th, uh, 2020. It was mostly a premium VOD thing. That's how most people saw it. I looked it up and it was like 400 theaters. Where? Genuinely, I mean, not in New York and L.A.

Certainly not. No, absolutely not. I know that there were theaters open here at that time. Yeah, all right. You did not see it in the theater, yeah. No, I didn't go until I was vaccinated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, Joseph.

Yes. Are you ready? Sure. All right, your 60-second plot description for Wild Mountain Time starts now. All right, buzz, buzz, Jamie Dorn and Hive. We are eating, honey. Where to even begin? Okay, so Rosemary Muldoon and Anthony Riley have lived on adjacent farms in Ireland their whole lives,

and she's been in love with him at least that long with the hearty determination of a woman who has never smiled once in her life and who believes she's the white swan. But can she play the black swan? Only the Samuel J. Friedman Theater for some reason. Anyway, Rosemary being in love with Anthony would be great if Anthony were not pathologically aloof

and forever puttering across the lush greenery with a metal detector and talking to voices that he hears. His dad played by Christopher Walken, talking like, we're all after his lucky charms, will only pass the farm to Anthony if he finds a wife, good lucking find a woman willing to marry that preter naturally gorgeous hunkadufous Walkin even calls in Anthony's American

cousin, played by John ever-loving Hamm to come have a look at the farm and considers leaving it to him. And then Walkin dies of old alcoholism and Ham invites Rosemary to New York City to not see the Lion King. And she returns to Ireland and is like, Anthony, will you quit walking around those green rolling hills with your metal detector

like a lunatic and marry me already? John Ham's on the world's longest air lingus flight and once he lands he's going to propose to me. And Anthony is like, but I'm a honeybee for real. And Rosemary is like, that's cool, baby. I'm the white swan. And then they do get married and sing pretty Irish songs. And John Hamm marries a hot lady from the airplane and the end.

And the ghosts show up. And the ghost show up. Here's the other thing. This movie ends exactly the same way as Eurovision song contest, except nobody yells at them to sing yeah, yeah, ding dong. And yet, if you told me that the major plot events of Wild Mountain Time were spurred on by mischievous. elves living in little houses in the hills like it would make all the sense in the world yeah i just had to let she keep going and i apologize i was laughing for the jump of that i'm very proud of you i couldn't

hear any of your uh your your time calls i have tears streaming down my face um what a weird movie what a okay can we talk okay i was ready to be like the movie's not that weird it's fine and through that i'm like no that's stupid this is a crazy movie only like two percent of the population is going to care that it makes no sense that there is a ballet happening at Samuel J. Friedman Theater. But I literally was like, and I know that like the Friedman is where outside Mollongar played, so I'm sure it was like a, you know, a nice little wink to the theater that, uh, that I didn't catch that that's what the theater was. I was just like, this is a small theater for him to take her to a ballet. There's a big honkin establishment shot of it, Chris.

Like, it's just like for like five whole seconds. It's like the outside of the Friedman. And I'm like, the Friedman doesn't show bellets. The Friedman shows plays. about Upper West Side families who are yelling at each other. I guess Manhattan Theater Club is doing Swan Lake this season. Apparently. Apparently.

I love that on top of everything else, wild and operatic in this movie, there's a Swan Lake thing. Also, again, this feels like a moonstruck callback. Yes, because she goes to a theater and has an emotionally transport of experience. Though, okay, him, it just had one of those guffaw.

when he's like, I could take you to the Lion King. And I immediately was like, because this is a John Hamm character, how many women has he taken to see the Lion King? Like, that's his thing. That's got to be, like, basically a pickup line. Well, also, it's like, it's like John Ham, another, like, insanely handsome person who is rich enough to, like, drive a Rolls-Royce into a, like, farm in Ireland or whatever. Like, clearly he's doing okay financially.

And yet he's also single, but looking for a wife and has to, like, fly to Ireland to find one, which is, like, deeply weird. Like, marry one of the, like, 1,200 women falling at your feet back in New York City. Like, I don't quite understand. But, no, he must have the, like, unimpressed Irish lady who never smiles, who... It's because they keep taking him... He keeps taking them to the Lion King. The Lion King isn't exactly Boner City. She has no interest in seeing the Lion King.

It's very funny. She has no interest in knowing what an acre is or seeing the Lion King. That is basically her stonewalling him. When he shows up, he also takes you completely out of the fantasy of this movie. Because it's like everything is this sort of like, like first of all, this movie begins, and this is another thing that I texted you with I said helicopter shots, even though I knew it was drones. But like in Lord of the Rings, it is helicopter shots. But like it starts like the fellowship of the ring where it's just these. like rolling and like sweeping over shots of like the hills and the coastline and the

country and everything's pastoral and beautiful and look at this land and yada yada yada and it really does look like peter jackson just like just soaring over the hills of new zealand except it's ireland and so that at least to me sets the vibe for this movie with like it is it's not it's not not not sort of like irish blarney you know what i mean where it's just Like, everything is plausibly the work of, you know, fairies and leprechauns, and that's great. Which isn't unlike Shanley. Like, Shanley kind of got redefined by doubt, but, like, this is the man who made Joe versus the volcano. Right, exactly, exactly.

No, his filmography is really interesting. We'll get into it. But then Ham really, like, punctures that in a way that I'm not sure the movie intends. Right, like, you crack open a Blarney stone and there's a slab of granite in there. Like, his whole vibe is very terrestrial, very, I know he's supposed to play the American who's like, you know, the fly in the ointment of everything that's going on here, but I don't think he's supposed to crack the vibe of the movie so much. I'm not sure who should have played this role, but, like, not somebody quite so, I don't know. There's something really just, I don't, I don't know. Can you help me out?

Help me out. No, I think I get what you're saying because he's like, he's played quintessential, like, Americana in a way in that it's like obviously madmen. But then in most of the roles that he's here in the States, it's like bureaucrat or, you know, politician. It would almost. Those type of things. It makes sense that you would think John Hamm could do it. But when he's the only American in this setting, he doesn't. like personify America in a distinct way.

Well, he personifies an America that doesn't seem to fit with, like, it would make more sense if he were like a Southern gentleman or like a Texas oil man or something like that. Or someone like slicker. Right. Like somebody who's like American, but in an American unreal way, you know what I mean? Where he's just a little, you know, bigger. And he has different energy. Like, you want him to have different energy, but I think his energy is just sort of, it's a little

flat for me. I don't know. We're not people who think that he's a terrifically interesting actor. No, we're not. I think he was great on Mad Men. I will not take that away from him. But, like, that's, and weirdly effective when they use him in movies where it's, like, comedic stuff.

Like, I think he's quite fun in bridesmaids. Like, I genuinely feel like he's a lot of fun in bridesmaids. Or if he's just an overt bastard, right? which he's really not in this movie. And, like, this character is apparently not in the play. Right. So it does feel underdeveloped. He's sort of clueless in his own way.

Like, when he, like, when he ends up with the sort of, the woman on the plane. Hot lady on the plane. Is, like, she sort of, like, run circles around him anyway. And you get the sense that he's looking for that. He's looking for a woman to be smarter than him and more, you know, you know sort of tell him what to do and whatnot and she's seems to be the right fit for him because she'll get she'll give him shit about like snoring on the plane and whatever but like i don't know also did you notice the shot and like this is not like this feels kind of

synonymous but whatever i laughed my ass off when they were finally they make that final cut back to erlingus and they're getting ready to descend and he goes preparing for our descent into ireland i'm like oh we're landing in ireland we're not landing in a specific city We're just like we have arrived at the Ireland And here we are It was so weird It just contributed It just contributed to the deep weirdness

But yeah the end of this movie Literally is Eurovision Song Contest Where they're just like they're in the pub And they're singing together And they're dead people Are sitting in the audience And everything's fine Her mom's there and his dad's there

And they had both already died And it was It was wild I don't know This is where I think we can pivot to Jamie Dornan because it's like three movies in a row of Jamie Dornan singing, two of which happened in a pub with a crowd. Yes. It's really, and this was kind of uncanny. This was the first one chronologically, so we didn't know, we didn't know that this was ahead of us.

And he is not some great singer, but he does commit to the bit in a way that I think is in all three of. of these films is charming. I don't think he's great in Wild Mountain Time, but a lot of the reviews were like Jamie Dorn and awful. And I'm like, we hadn't really come around to the idea that he's pretty interesting. Yeah, like there's a really

quick rebound when Barb and Star happened, which like, still people were kind of slow to it. And like, I actually do think he's decent in this movie. I do. He's not great. So it's like, you know, how great can he be? But like, I do think, again, committed.

to the bit. I think he's interesting to watch in this context. It's maddening to watch him because, again, like, you cannot help but sort of step out from it and be like, you're the two most beautiful single people in this entire country.

Like, the frustration with these characters that they can't just get it together does overwhelm your sort of romantic sensibilities in this. Where, like, the movie wants you to be kind of swoony for the two of them, and by the end of the movie, you're just like, oh my God, fucking get on with it because it's it's just deeply frustrating and you know where this is going

like you know where it's been going the entire time so yes we know that it's going to him confessing that he believes he's a bee yeah also but no we know that they're going to get together no but also though I did know it was leading up to him saying that he's a bee because like I knew we'd had it spoiled for us right but the thing about the bee thing is I do think it was overblown because, like we said, it's just, like, kind of thrown off, but, like, I don't know. I was expecting something stranger in that regard. But, I don't know. I like Jamie Dornan in this movie.

Barb and Star is the one where I'm like, maybe we can calm down a little bit. Because part of the reason why he's in that movie is, like, a certain limitation to his acting style. And that's why it's charming because he's not, you know, eloquent or, like, terrific performance. He commits to the bit, he buys into it entirely. I think he's, I think he knows what he's doing in that movie. A lot of people sort of felt like Kristen Wig and Annie Mumolo were like, like, playing with him like a kendall and just sort of like moving him and like grabbing him by the shoulders and be like, you go here now and whatever. And I do feel like he does have some agency in that and does know what he's doing. But you're right.

That is the one that may be. Go ahead. Well, I was just going to say. like I they're Barb and Star is playing on his sort of dofessery and in a way that like Wild Mountain Time is Belfast how did you feel about him? You didn't really like

much of anything in Belfast No I don't like the movie though I do think like that's the one of these three that happened in fairly rapid succession that are somewhat similar or like have like pieces of each other in the performance that's the one that like I felt like was more convincing of him

being a potential like grounded dramatic actor. Like, he has maybe the least heavy lifting to do in that movie. But, like, he's watchable. And, like, all of his scenes are with Katrina Balfe, who's the best thing about the movie. So, like, that helps.

But they together, I think, are also good. And I found myself invested in their relationship, their marriage. They're trying to make the, you know, do what they need to do for the family. I did like... The best stuff of Belfast is when it's a movie about a marriage.

Yes, absolutely. I think that's true. And that's why the best scene in the movie is him singing and her dancing towards the end of that movie. That was entirely too short for my liking. Yeah, it's like 45 seconds, but it's still a really good scene. And like, what's wild is like, that's a scene where Jamie Dornan sings karaoke and still Katrina Balfe upstages.

Oh, 100%. When I was doing the, I did the blankies of blank check a little bit ago. And I brought up, I wanted to do a little, you know, nominations for choreography. And one of them that I did is just her in that. And like, I don't know if that's just her freestyling or whatnot. But like whatever, whoever was responsible for the dancing she was doing in that movie was, honestly, it is, it is, I will admit, as somebody who liked Belfast better than a lot of people who, you know, a lot of its detractors did, I will admit that it doesn't often transcend. and that is a moment that is the moment in that movie

that transcends and it's her it's her who does it so yes Belfast at this point could or could not be an Oscar winner I kind of we were talking a little bit before on Mike and we don't have to go too into it because again it'll be after the Oscars

but like I'll just be surprised if that's a movie that walks away with zero Oscars and I think that means it's Brana on a global level I agree and yet the only place it really does at this point seem to have a shot now that Troy Kotzer has really

fully locked up supporting actor because there was a part of me that was entertaining notions that Karen Hines might you know James Coburn his way into winning that but like that was before the Kotzer sweep happened and so like he's definitely winning the only place Belfast seemingly can win is screenplay. And so with all of its eggs

just in that one basket, I think you're right that like it seems like a movie that should walk away with one Oscar. But there are lots of ways where he doesn't win that. Yeah.

I don't know. At some point, Paul Thomas Anderson's going to win an Oscar. Like, he can't... I mean, as someone who likes licorice pizza, I still think that's going to be the weirdest thing for him

to finally win an Oscar for. I mean, I have like the last... several of his so if he had won like uh you know obviously jane campion aside if paul thomas anderson had won licorice pizza for directing over screenwriting i would feel differently and i know that some people would probably call me stupid for that but whatever well but also i feel like because when you're talking about the oscars and the entire academy is voting on this stuff so it's not just the directors voting on directors at this point it's it's basically you're voting for what you liked best and

And I don't think the voting is going to make that discernment between the screenwriting of Lickrish Pizza and the directing of it. And I do just feel like at some point, the Academy clearly really loves Paul Thomas Anderson. They nominate him even for insane, messy shit like inherent vice. And so something like Lickrish Pizza, which for much as I don't really care for it, definitely holds together better than something like Inherent Vice. And to me, it feels like at some point Charlie Kaufman won. because Eternal Sunshine was a great movie,

but also because we've really liked what you've been doing for the last stretch of your career. And Spike Jones felt similarly when Spike Jones won for her. And so I feel like at some point, it might not be for Lickrish Pizza, but at some point, Paul Thomas Anderson's going to win a screenplay Oscar. I agree with you on that. Like, he's going, he'll be an Oscar winner at some point.

And I think maybe the next time will be when people will be, like, it's time. But, like, as far as the, like, Jones and, Kaufman comparisons go, I do think they had a less competitive, you know, lineup that they were in. I don't know if I... This could all be moot, too, by the way. Yeah, I know. We're fully talking about the past at this point.

Wait, what would be the weirdest thing to win original screenplay? Now I've got to bring up the Oscar nominees. Because, of course, the Oscar nominees that I know the least off the top of my head are whatever the most recent ones are, because they haven't had time to... This was my thing about Wild Mountain Time. And we've had this conversation with Katie before, because Katie's like this, too, where it's just like, we can remember stuff from 10 years ago better than last year. 100%. That's why I'm always, like, whenever I'll, like, this is the time of year where I'll be, like, invited on to a podcast or whatever to talk about the Oscars.

And I'm like, cool, but I better have that Wikipedia entry in front of me because, like, there are times where I'm like, who's the fifth best actor nominee this year? And I'll be like, blah, blah. And it takes me an hour and a day to remember Denzel Washington. and it's just like that's like I don't know it's crazy and yet that's wild but like it makes sense yeah they have not had time to like Oscar history is just it's a matter of me going back into it and looking over these lists and like talking about it and like being dumb on Twitter and having conversations like this with you over time and over time and it takes a while for like you know the the Woody Harrelson nomination for the

messenger to really sink into my brain. And there are still ones that, like, I constantly forget. I will constantly be like, who was that fifth nominee in that category? And it'll be like, oh, it was Robert Tony Jr. and Chaplin. And I'm like, yes, thank you. Okay. See, the thing I think about the Wild Mountain Time year, the 2020 slash a month or two of 2021, whatever, is that for so many reasons, it's going to be a year that is hard to, remember what was there and that's also wild because it's like you're talking about just the movies that were nominated for Best Picture for the most part right um apologies by the way there's somebody like legitimately chainsawing or something outside my window I don't know what's going on is

probably getting picked up by the audio so I can't hear it listeners it's not you it's Washington it's the bees it's not a chain saw it's a swarm of not the bees not the bees it's a swarm of Jamie Dornan's coming to get you. Yeah. Oh, I mean, find me guilty, Your Honor. Yes. Anyway, wait, what were we talking about? Memorability of recent Oscar years.

But I'm trying to like... Including how we can't remember the current year right now, even though we've both been, like, writing about them for... Right. I'm just trying to follow the trail of breadcrumbs back to Wild Mountain Time. So it was Brana and it was Belfast and it was Jamie... Right. Jamie Dornan in this movie. Yes. So, yeah, I think the leads are fine. I think the story and here's the other thing is this movie, I mentioned earlier, edited like a chainsaw, but like literally, there is no form to this story for like an hour and 10 minutes. Like it genuinely is just like, what is the story here? And finally, I'm like, oh, the story is that he just won't propose to her even though like, and it's formless in a way.

that is deeply frustrating. Yeah, like, you can tell it's adapted from a play that's probably a few scenes, a few long scenes of people just, like, talking and giving, giving the audience through conversation and, like, a picture of what their world is, right? Just through, like, talking about it and, like, you know. The play has, like, four characters. Like, basically, like, that's it. Like, I don't even think the John Hamm character appears in that.

I think he's just sort of talked about. well and like you talk about plays where it's like the goal is always opening it up or whatever which like we could talk about doubt in that way too yes um which does it more successfully this it's like it's clear that in opening up this play it probably lost all sense of structure and like what it was on the page because like i agree with you it's pretty shapeless to the point where I was like, how far am I into this movie? Oh, an hour in 15 minutes. And, you know, it flies by, but, like, I couldn't have told you at that point anything

that really happened. Yes. Or, like, I could tell you, you could talk about, like, the dynamics and those become pretty clear between the characters, but there's no, like, nothing of substance really happens, except for, like, arguments with parents. Well, and you mentioned doubt, which I think. is instructive in that doubt as a story is structured obviously so much better. There is a clear objective at the beginning of it and she has, you know, insane determination to figure it out and

everything sort of mounting sense of tension. Yes. I think that movie though also when you talk about like trying to open up a play into cinematicness and that one, Shanley who directed that one as well, um, decides that it's just going to be a lot of like shots of like, such like steeples and like Dutch angles and weird just like and it showiness that doesn't really seem to communicate much of anything and felt somewhat amateurish and well this I sound like an asshole saying this but like watching that movie I think one of the problems is it feels like Shanley who it's like at the time you know people expected like a more substantial more like I don't want to say substantial. That sounds shady.

But, like, someone who we know to be a director to take it, like, people like, why isn't Mike Nichols doing this movie? Right. Something like that is more on. Well, I know why Mike Nichols didn't do this movie, but I know what you're making. Yeah. He, uh, he, uh, he, Mike Nichols is in the final scene of this movie, singing along with Wild Towns. It's true. Yes. Yes.

Um, but like, it, it sounds shady, but I do think that it's true that one of the problems with doubt is that it feels like Shanley trying to prove that he is also a director. And in that, like, there's all of these, you know, like, formal displays of, like, style or whatever that don't really amount so much. And, like, I think he loses anything past the, like, obvious what the text is about. And part of the reason why doubt was such a sensation on the stage for, like, the timing of it, it is like, you know, it took this very specific story and like kind of highlighted the the kind of broader themes about it of like what does certainty mean? And like we're talking about, you know, if you have certainty and conviction, but like what is evidence and like what is

fact, you know, in a post-9-11 world, like it ultimately, like for a lot of audiences, it became a play about, like, invading your rock, you know? Yeah. That there could be broader themes than what it is necessarily explicitly about, even though it's very good at being what it's explicitly about. And it made me think that it was just a really well-directed stage production, and Shanley never really had any intention for the text beyond, you know, the actual logline of it. And, like, that's why the movie kind of underwhelms to me.

I think you're right. I think you're deeply on target for this. I wanted to kind of delve into Shanley's career for a second because it is somewhat interesting. Not somewhat interesting. It's quite interesting, actually. Obviously, he's an acclaimed playwright. In terms of film, 1987, he obviously Moonstruck looms the largest,

but there's also a movie called Five Corners that he has written, directed by Tony Bill, which I should say when we were talking about rumor has it. And one of the actors who was replaced was this guy, Tony Bill, who I hadn't really heard of. And then I think one of our readers, readers, I'm talking like Las Culture Reasons now, one of our listeners. One of the Gary's.

Yes, one of our Gary's pointed out that Tony Bill actually has a pretty long and interesting career. He directed, among other things, the Christian Slater with a baboon heart movie, Untamed Heart. so there is that But anyway He directed this movie Called What did I say

Five Corners with John Totoro And Jody Foster And Tim Robbins And then so that's the same year As Moonstruck Then he writes and directs Joe versus the Volcano

In 1990 Which is a strange movie But one I really Respect for its strangeness It is the the original Tom Hanks Meg Ryan movie

it's the one that came first before Nora Ephron ever got to them and it's so peculiar you've seen Joe versus the volcano yes yeah I think it's

I mean it's a you're right to emphasize how peculiar it is I do think the treatment it received is a little unfair I don't think it's it shouldn't have been

as malcolm aligned as it is. It's just, it's a weird movie. It's one of those, the reactions to that movie feel like they came from a future that had already seen Sleepless in Seattle and You've Got Mail because it feels like the people who reacted strangely to that movie were expecting a Tom Hanks Meg Ryan movie, even though we didn't know what a Tom Hanks Meg Ryan movie was back then. But like there's this really sort of impressionistic's the wrong word

but sort of this like German industrialness to the beginning of this where he's this sort of cog in a machine in his working life or whatever and then he finds out that he's dying by a

doctor played by Robert Stack who is being like cast perfectly for playing this like very I don't know just like odd and peculiarly like ramrod straight kind of doctor and then decides to go off and sort of like live the rest of his life whatever remains and like Meg Ryan plays three different characters and ends up on this island where he's going to go into the volcano and it's a whole freaking thing but it's it's weird but like if you find this movie on cable like check it out and it's it's all. always on cable. It is always on cable. He then writes the screenplay for the movie Alive, which is Yellow Jackets. Staple of my childhood fears. Yes, yes, a Uruguayan rugby team. I always want to say it's a Chilean soccer team. It's not. It's a Uruguayan rugby team. But they

crash in the Andes, and I say Yellow Jackets, but with boys, because the whole thing with this, and this was, I'm pretty sure, based on a true story. And they had to resort to eating their dead to live, to stay alive. And it's a really interesting sort of young cast. It's Ethan Hawk and Josh Hamilton and Vincent Spano, who like nobody knows who Vincent Spano is now. No Uruguayans, basically. Well, right. But back then, he had been in a bunch of things.

And Jack Knowsworthy, who was in that MTV show Dead at 21, that nobody remembers but me, and that's fine. Ileana Douglas is in that movie. So anyway, and Alive is one of those sort of, it comes out the same year as an decent proposal, and it feels similar to that in that, like, more people discussed that movie than maybe even saw it, where it was one of those, like, what would you do if you were in that situation? Would you, you know? Girl, I know kids talked about it because, like, I was so terrified of that movie because it's like, it had such an urban legend reputation of kids at that, or at least the kids I was around and, like, my brother torturing me. with like the mere concept of this movie where it's like you watch it and it's like first of all you have to imagine yourself being like in a horrible playing crash

but then like the idea of watching people eat people like my brother had gotten it in my head that this was a full zombie movie and then when you watch a live it's like the crunchiest CGI you've ever seen and it's like it's a funny word it's pretty it's pretty crunchy No, it's just a funny word to use in the context of this.

Oh, in the context of this. No, but then it's like, it's not like you're watching, I mean, like, you see them eating, but like. Right. It's not, it's, it's more like emotionally harrowing than you're watching graphic material. Yes. The next Shanley credit, I am excited to talk about. Is this We're Back a Dinosaur story? He wrote We're Back a Dinosaur story.

Which is universal. I want to, it's not, it's not Disney. I think it's like Universal Amblin. Oh, so was it the Don Bluth sort of cinematic universe? It is not a Don Bluth directed movie. No. I think We're Back was like a troubled production, which is why I'm a little surprised that Shanley is the only credited screenwriter on it.

Yes, it's Amblin, amblemation. Okay. Which feels like that's sort of the pond that Bluth had been working in. Right. Because they were sort of the ones that had tried to make the move to go up against Disney. The voice cast of We're Back is deeply amazing and insane. So it's like, John Goodman makes sense. Charles Fleischer, who is the voice of Roger Rabbit, makes sense.

Martin Short, sure. Yardley Smith, the voice of Lisa Simpson, definitely. Walter Cronkite, hey, he was still alive then in an iconic voice. Jay Leno. Julia Child is a voice in this movie. Yes, she is. It's just, it's a, it's, all right, so Julia Child died. Oh, she only died in 2004.

I was like, was that like the last years of her life? No, she liked, yeah, her death was relatively recent to Julie and Julia. I didn't even, I didn't even connect that. I must have not been paying close enough attention. Anyway, wild voice cast on that and, uh, yes. Okay, so after we're back, which I've not seen. Should I see that movie? Should I seek it out? I mean, I could probably tell you very little about it, but it is very aligned in my childhood to the Chipmunk, the Great Chipmunk Adventure. Sure. What is that called? The Chipmunk Adventure or the Great Chipmunk Adventure? I love the Great Chipmunk Adventure.

They are the Bulls and Girls of Rock and Roll. Great songs. Genuinely, fantastic songs. Boys and Girls of Rock and Roll. Yeah. What a Bop. It's great. I watched... That was one where we had, like, recorded it off of the TV. Pretty sure it was probably Disney Channel that it aired on. And we recorded off of that and just watched it absolutely constantly.

Miss Miller, a genuine icon of female cinema, Miss Miller. Why do I feel like we've talked about Miss Miller before? I don't know. On this podcast. I don't know. Probably because we are the people we are. Yes. The Chimuck Adventure is like the fantasy.

world for children because they pull a prank on their babysitter so that they can basically run away from home. But they're like, first of all, we should have mentioned it during our aeronauts. I was going to say, chipets don't belong in balloons. And yet, we already have a great movie about balloons and it's the chipmunk adventure. I was going to, yeah, and not, and about feminism in balloons. Like, those girls gave those boys a run for their money in that. Listen, they're the girls of rock and roll. I'm saying. Also, if you were gay and were one, watching a great chipmuck adventure, you were rooting for the chippets to beat Alvin and the chipmucks. You were absolutely. You wanted them to win that race around the world. That is how you

knew. You were a Brittany, a Jeanette, or an Eleanor, and we all knew which ones we were. I was probably an Eleanor who wanted to be a Jeanette, but that's fine. Everybody has their role to play. I'm just saying. Okay, so the villains in that movie, because, like, they're scheming these children. Boris and Natasha. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they are... Euro trash. Villains in this movie are Euro Trash.

They're fabulous. They're fully iconic. They're duping these children, these chipmunk children, to go around the world and basically like... Smuggle diamonds. Yes. But is it also cocaine? No, I conflate this in my name that they're smuggling cocaine through these chipmunk children. I think it's just diamonds.

I would love to be through drugs. They're so Euro-trashy. the movie is so 80s that it just feels like cocaine. It was storyboarded with cocaine. Isn't, don't they like, like, the studio said you can't put cocaine in a kid's movie. It has to be something else. And they were like, diamonds.

Don't they, like, hide the diamonds in like something and then... In, okay, so when they're going around these stops, it's basically kind of like the amazing race. Yes. Or like, yeah. They have to get the dolls that match them. The dolls, right? And the diamonds are in the dolls.

Either inside the dolls. or when they swap the dolls, there's diamond. Yes. But also it literally is just like they are the most sort of like Euro-trashy, like the woman's got sort of like a Leona Helmsley face, but she's got like a Bond villain body kind of. And the guy is like the neighbor, Julia Louis Dreyfus's husband from National Ampoon's Christmas vacation,

like that sort of like ponytail. But like Vincent Cassell playing. Yeah. Okay. Or, like, Lambert Wilson playing that character. It's Lambert Wilson and, wait, who plays the woman, Elizabeth Debicki, are your villains in that movie. Yeah, absolutely. God, justice for the great chopper.

Can we pretend that that had Oscar Buzz so we had cover that? I'm pretty sure that was a huge bomb. Oh, that's too bad. That was the era where, like, all of these. animated movies just ended up bombing. It's too bad. What a great film. Anyway. Just like we're back a dinosaur story. Yes. After

that, he adapts the Michael Crichton novel, Congo, in the post-Jurassic Park Crichton boom that happens. And that is the movie that introduced me to Laurelini. So thank God for that. We love Laurelini in a hat.

Fun movie, actually. It's junk, but it's like, Congo is fun junk, as far as I remember. Directed by Frank Marshall, too, which is interesting. Who also directed a live. No. Really? Yeah.

Wow. That's crazy. So Frank Marshall kept employing Shanley to adapt these books that he was turned into movies. So then, moving on up, the, oh, he does that TV movie live from Baghdad, the HBO movie, with Michael Keaton and Helena Bonham Carter, which is sort of like comes out the year after none. 11 when sort of Middle East politics was very, very, you know, pertinent, and then doesn't direct another feature for six years until doubt. And that gets nominated for basically everything but best picture. Like, that was four acting nominations, which is not easy to come by.

Like, as I did that as a question on trivia recently. And it's sort of impressed upon me that, like, oh, right, like, mostly, like, to be a movie that gets four acting nominations and doesn't get a Best Picture nomination is rare. So, which is kind of feels like... Go ahead. I was going to say, I'd remember that movie even getting nominated for Deacons, but he didn't. No. It's just the four acting nominations and screenplay.

Yeah. And then what is this 2018 movie, The Portuguese Kid? That I do not know. With Jason Alexander. he has a play by that name so did they adapt his play must have um oh i think this is a broadway recording of that play or like the the the live from whatever oh i see and it's just listed in i mdb and it's not specified they need to specify that shit better um this freaked me out because in the cast it's jason alexander and then Pico Alexander of one of the nice boys from home again.

And I was like, are they related? I had to quickly just look up and make sure that they are not related because that would be wild. We're that true, but they are not apparently related. Or at least Jason Alexander is not his dad. Also, Sherri Ney Scott and the great Mary Testa. Did we talk to Patrick Vail about Mary Testa at all? I guess we wouldn't have had a whole lot of opportunity to do that,

but we should have. he worked with Mary Testa on Oklahoma, and also she rules. Great theater actors. Indeed, she does rule. Great theater actors. Anyway, and so then that brings us right up to Wild Mountain Time. Wild Mountain Time. It truly was a Wild Mountain Time. The other reason why this movie had Golden Globes buzz, though.

Like, Dornan was definitely rumored to be a Golden Globe contender, an actor. But Emily Blunt truly is the Golden Globes. their favorite child. Favorite actress of her generation. She has, and I'm going to look this up if my internet would... She has five Golden Globe nominations for film, and then she won for Gideon's daughter. Right. I don't remember if we've done this on previous Emily Blunt movies, but I want to quiz you on her pre-cursor nominations.

The famously not Oscar nominated Emily Blunt because everyone else loves her, but... Has never gotten... Oscar does not. All right. Yes, quiz me. Okay. Quiz me. We're just going to go in the order that these are on IMDB.

All right. She has two BAFTA nominations. Can you name them? Is one of them for Mary Poppins returns? Incorrect. Okay. Is one of them for the Young Victoria? Incorrect.

Well, damn it. Well, I've exhausted the English icons, Julie Andrews and Queen Victoria. So now I've got to move on. All right. So Emily V. Blunt. She should start going by that. She didn't get nominated for Quiet Place Part 2, did she? Bafta?

No. Yeah, I was going to say. Well, I just remember that that sort of was a late, a late-breaking contender for her. And I know that it was mostly sag, but I didn't know whether it was all of them. All right, all right, all right. If it helps you.

her two BAFTA nominations are a decade apart, exactly a decade apart. Oh, fascinating. Okay. Was she nominated for Devil Wars Prada? She was. Good. She deserved. What a great performance.

And then, so 2016 is not into the wood. So it's girl on the train? It is the girl on the train. Holy mackerel. Bapta nominee for. leading actress. We talked about that movie, but a long time ago.

Yeah. She was also a rising star Baftan nominee. For Devil Word. Did not win, though. The same year as Devil Wars Product, yes. Critics Choice. Yes.

She is twice a nominee if you don't count their comedy and action categories, which do not count, so we will not count them. Critics choice. Maybe I'll make you guess those. So Critics' choice

is essentially a snapshot of where the Oscar buzz was at the moment that they nominated. And so that makes me feel like Mary Poppins returns would be there. Correct. Because there was a moment where it really felt like we all just assumed that she was going to get nominated for that before anybody saw that movie.

And then the other one is that young Victoria. Yes, it is. If I told you she was nominated for Best Actress in a Comedy once and three times in action. Could you guess what those are? All right. So action is going to be,

um, uh, I will not call it lived, I repeat. It is edge of tomorrow. Correct, which she actually won for. Good.

She should have been Oscar nominated for that. She was phenomenal in that. Is one of them Huntsman Winter's War? No. Damn it. Okay. Uh, quiet place. No.

No. I guess maybe you don't consider that action then. Um, what are her action movies? Action, action, action blunt. Um. These are actually two of my favorite performances of hers. Oh. Besides, oh, Looper.

Looper. Looper. Which is a supporting performance. I feel like Quiet Place is more action than Looper, but okay. She's quite good. This one is kind of gross to call it an action movie. The next one? Yes.

Sicario. As soon as you said gross. Which is a movie, though, I have problems with. But she's great. I love her in that, yes. And then Best Actress in a Comedy, what was she nominated for? Oh. Well, it should be your sister's sister, but it's not going to be your sister's sister.

Correct. I can't imagine it's the Jane Austen Book Club. I just can't imagine it. It's also some fudgery. Is it in genre or in... In genre. Okay. Salmon fishing in the Yemen.

No. Damn it. So, like musical but not comedy? Correct. Into the woods. No. Mary Poppins. Mary Poppins returns.

Okay. Moving along to her Golden Globe nominations. Already said that she has been nominated five times one for television, for Gideon's daughter, can you name me her five Golden Globe nominations for movies? Devil Wars Prada. Correct. Young Victoria.

Correct. Salmon fishing in the Yemen. Correct. Into the woods. Correct. And Mary Poppins returns. Correct. All right.

All right. We're going to move on to her SAG nominations, and then that'll be it for your Emily Blunt quiz. She has three nominations for SAG, including a win. right one of those is uh is quiet place yep that's her win one of those is girl on the train correct and then the third one is oh golly i'm pretty sure she wasn't nominated for devil wears prada and sag although I will be willing to be proved wrong.

I'm trying to think of like it wasn't salmon fishing. I'm pretty sure it wasn't Mary Poppins. I really don't think it was into the woods. I don't think it was Looper. I don't think it was Ed to Tomorrow. It might be Sicario. Sicario.

No. Was it Devil Wars product? No. It was another movie that you said you don't think it was that. Oh, Mary Poppins. Mary Poppins, because she was nominated twice the year that she won. Right. That's right.

Which is part of the probable reason that she won. Yes. That's right. Emily Blunt? No Oscar nominations. All right. What do you feel? Which ones do you feel like she should have?

I'm going to bring mine up. Devil Wars Prada. Well, definitely. Is that the only one you feel like? I mean, that's the one that I feel most firm on without, you know, looking up the rest of, of the years. I think that she's great in Sicario, and maybe one of the best things about it, aside

from, like, the score and the cinematography. But I wouldn't give it to her in that year, for example. I mean, yeah, I think she's great in Looper. Loper might be the one that I would put second place, but yeah, I would maybe only nominate her for Devil Wars Prada.

Looper, I've only ever seen one time, which is surprising, because that feels like a movie that should play on cable a lot and I should watch a lot. And for whatever reason, I never see it. I don't know. It's, it feels like, it weirdly feels like the forgotten Ryan Johnson movie, which I do think that that's a hard movie to probably drop in and out of, which is why it's maybe not on cable. But you're not wrong that it seems like the type of thing that would play on cable. Also, like, Ryan Johnson, like, bring Emily into the Knives Out toverse, please.

Hey, Netflix house and booked for another movie. You don't know what that third. movie could be. It feels like she would be a perfect fit. All right. So Emily Blunt. What do I have for her? Did you hear this rumor, apparently, that Kate Hudson was originally

offered to Laura Dern? No. That's interesting. Right? I'm trying to think of, like, what kind of role would fit the two of them? I can see it. I can see it. I'm excited for Kate, though.

I really, I think this is a good opportunity for Kate. I think Kate Hudson could end up being the Tony Collette of that movie. Yeah. I feel like a lot of people could be the Tony Collette of that movie. All right. So Emily Blunt was just on the outside of my nominees for her performance in Sicario. As I said, I would have nominated her for Edge of Tomorrow. I think she was one of the best performances of that year.

She was so good. Your sister's sister, she would have been a runner-up. But, like, I fucking love that movie. I think it is a phenomenally good movie. Devil Wars Prada. And, yeah, so it's Devil Wars Prada and Edge of Tomorrow for me. It would be my two Emily once. I genuinely love her as an actress.

I want better roles for her in a lot of ways. Right. And also, like, certain things, like, Into the Woods is a great opportunity for her that, like, was not her fault that that movie was bad. But I also... I don't know. me. No, she's kind of good for Baker's wife. I don't think she's bad. She's a bad

choice for Baker's wife. I think if you want to do... The movie is way... Movie stars. Right. Which I don't mind the idea of doing into the woods movie stars. Just do it better than the way you did it. She's not where near the top of the list of that movie's problems. No, no, absolutely

not. But, like, I don't need her to do Huntsman Winter's War. I certainly don't need her to do fucking what's it called Tom Ford shit or no she wasn't in that movie No why am I thinking she was Who's the nocturnal animals

It's Amy Adams and then who's the other female lead in that Isla Fisher Well also that anyway Maybe I'm just thinking of Amy Adams Anyway Like Jungle Cruise I don't need her to be in She's in Oppenheimer

which is interesting in that that cast is insane. Yeah. And I'm interested to see who sort of is able to emerge from it. Like who gets enough of a presence in that. I'm curious to know what that movie's going to be because it sounds like a boring biopic, but we know that Christopher Nolan's not just going to make a boring biopic at this point in his career. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. that's such a weird cast because some of those choices I'm like fuck yeah and then some of those

I'm like like again Benny Safdi just like turd in the punch bowl for me and like Rami Mollick like why but I'm interested I do think that it's rad that he is finally you know giving a lead to Killian Murphy and if you come forward and say that Scarecrow is one no he's not no that's not lead, come on. But he's not even the featured villain in that, which is too bad. He's like 12th build in that movie. No, but you're right. I'm super psyched that Killian Murphy is getting a lead, and that is, that's great, but

like, super excited. Watch the egg be on our face, and the movie be called Oppenheimer, and, like, the thing is, it's not about him. Right. He, like, goes missing, and, like, everybody has to, like, figure out. Go into their memories to find him and stop the bomb. Right. Yeah, I think Emily Blunt's sort of

Ought's career is more interesting than her 2010's career in a lot of ways, or at least at some point it hits a wall. Although, I do feel like she brings something to certain genre movies that I get why she keeps getting cast in them, because she's

so good in something like Edge of Tomorrow or a quiet place, where it's like, so, like, I understand then why you would cast her in Jungle Cruise, and why even she would take a role like Jungle Cruise, even though Jungle Cruise is not worthy of her. You know what I mean?

But she's performed well in genre stuff that I guess I'm willing to give benefit of the doubt. I do think we're talking about her being good in genre. I think she would be in more interesting movies if there were more interesting comedies being made. I think that's definitely true. Which, like, not to, like, say the obvious or, like, the bummer thing, but it's just like, we don't really have comedies that would use her comedic talents.

Well, and we talk a lot about, and I agree with you that, like, this is kind of a tired subject, but talking about like, only blockbusters get made anymore, like the only movies that go into theaters, yada, yada, yada. And one of those things is that the shortfall of that is being made up on television, which is definitely true. But television does drama well, and it does limited series well. And it does comedy well, but not for the kinds of comedies that would have been film comedies. You know what I mean? Like, we haven't been able to sort of make the kinds of like five-year engagement movies or your sister's sister or the Devil Wars Prada.

We haven't been able to translate that into the television realm. There are some great comedy. I felt that a little bit with somebody somewhere, but that's very, very specific. Yes. Yes, somebody somewhere... You don't have Emily Blunt in a show like that, but... Right, well, and also I don't want Emily Blunt to do television. I want her to still keep doing movies.

But yeah, somebody somewhere does fit in the realm of, like, a Lynn Shelton, your sister's sister kind of a thing, so, like, that does track, actually. Somebody Somewhere is the television equivalent of something that you saw at Sundance and loved, right? And I know people, a lot of people see Sundance as an epithet. I don't, so, like, that is not me shading that show. I think that show is perfect and wonderful. And it's just very indie. It's just something that's like really, really indie in a very great way.

I found it a little more soothing than that even. See, I find some kind of candle TV show that it's like, like, I keep calling it like a calming, wonderful, soothing show. But it's like, it's like, it's, and like it also sounds like an epithet to be like, it's a nice show. But like, no, genuinely, I think there's like nothing like it on TV right now. It explores relationships in a way. that makes sort of small kindnesses really compelling. There's that moment in, I want to say it was the season finale, where Jeff Hiller's character in the middle of the sort of,

what is it, a gift shop, candle shop, whatever the sister owns. And he starts to, like, mediate this dispute and brings into it his essentially experience doing ministry that was so, and I didn't really see it coming until it was happening, and it was so touching to me. I do not find, like, I have a real particular relationship with religion that I do not tend to sentimentalize religion, and yet I found that so moving and so really well done. Oh, God, what a great show.

Yeah, I feel like that shows a relationship with religion is actually very, very interesting. Really great, yeah, like a one of its best aspects, actually. We should get back in a lot of time. But it's not a show about that. No, exactly, exactly right. Watch somebody somewhere. It's on HBO. And probably it's all streaming at HBO Max.

You all know I love friendship cinema. It is friendship television. Oh, it sure is. We haven't talked about a wild amount in time for a while, though. We should probably turn back to it. What else, though? I'm trying to look into my notes and see if there's anything I have gotten to. We got it.

We got it. Christopher Walk in the less said the better. Yeah. There's that weird, really odd scene where he's essentially being like, well, I'll be dying tonight. And he and Dornan sort of have this, you know, coming to grips. And I don't think it's a well done scene. It is not sort of prepared for well enough in the way that this movie is structured. Again, the structure of this movie fails it a lot. And yet, I was going to say, like, the structure of the movie, the movie doesn't change when this significant character

dies. Like, you normally feel like a shift in a movie. And something like that happens. It's not in this movie. And yet, like, while it is happening, of course, I'm, like, reacting to it because, like, any scene in a movie of a parent dying is going to, like, absolutely destroy me. But that was just odd. It was, I don't know, and it, you know, no pun intended, Blunt's the impact of Walkins' character in the whole movie. Emily Blunt with a pipe is great, and, you know, that should be in more things. I will always enjoy Emily Blunt with a pipe. John Hamm has this one line, back to the ham thing.

He says, I'm all about numbers. I manage money for a living, which is. like the flattest way of like describing a character where it's just like how do we tell the audience that he is is good with numbers but not with people and it's like I am good with numbers I manage money for a living and it's like oh my god like I don't know unsubtle that's also in the context of I know we mentioned this but like I can't stress to you enough how annoying it was to me in the movie it's in the context of we don't know how many acres are on our farm and he's like but How can you not know this?

And it's like, you're, yeah, yeah, he's just, like, crunchily written as. I also, we talked about Deborah Messing. We should mention specifically there is a clip on YouTube of, it's essentially just like an excerpt from outside Mollongar. I'll put it on the Tumblr page. Please do, because there are, and a lot of the scene that they include in it is reproduced pretty faithfully in Wild Mountain Time. What would you do? put me in the shop window? Like one of those Euro-Floosies in Amsterdam?

What the hell are you talking about? Amsterdam. Amsterdam, you know what I'm talking about. Naked women on parade in the windows of Amsterdam. We're talking about my cousin. He's a solid man. He's never even been to Amsterdam, I don't think. Oh, but you bring him here to look me over like I was a red heifer.

And watching the two side by side and the way that, I mean, it's a mouthful of dialogue. anyway, but talking about the part where what is her name? The characters. Rosemary. Rosemary is like, you know, I've known you my whole life and this is the first time I've heard about

beauty and, you know, what are you going to, you know, put me in the window and display me for your cousin? Like, I'm a red heifer. And, like, Emily Blunt says it like a person would say it. And Deborah Messing says it, like she has a mouthful of corned beef and cabbage. And it's just, it's so, it's so effortfully delivered.

It is, it is, like, I was offended on behalf of Irish people. Remember? It is like, she's sitting on a pot of goal. Like, it, like, I don't know. Remember during the whole being the Ricardo's casting where people were like, but Debra Messing looks like Lucille Ball, so she, should play Lucy Ball. And not Nicole Kidman, who doesn't look like

Lucille Ball. So clearly we want Deborah Messing instead of Nicole Kidman. I think all of those people who got caught up in that should have been forced to sit down and watch Nicole Kidman and Far and Away and Deborah Messing and outside Bolingar and just have them throw bad Irish accents at each other and just

everybody calm down. Everybody just takes some perspective. The dialogue is not not Gobbledy Gook. No, of course. She says it like it is. Yes. She emphasizes the gobbledy go. A stew of cliches coming out of her and like stereotypes.

There is Guinness Beef Stew sort of pouring out of her mouth at any moment. It's just, oh God, beauty. This is the first time I've ever heard of beauty. It's crazy. It's so insane. Oh, what a movie. Ten out of ten. All right.

Should we move on to the island? TV game. Oh, no, wait. We do have one thing we need to mention. Yes. Wild Mountain Time. Movies for grown-ups nominee. Yes. Okay. Best grown-up love story. Okay. But also, all right, this is where I did a whole preview of the M4 Gs for Vulture this year and tried to handicap the words. By the way, they're sitting on my DVR, Chris, right now, so I don't know who won last night. I got one of them spoiled for me because a zealous Gary, who I, you know, no shade. Um, spoiled me on one of the awards. And that's fine. I should have watched it live, but I was watching Mark Rylance. At least there wasn't a press release, or if there was, I missed it. No, I didn't

get it spoiled to me by press release. Yes, other things have been spoiled to me by a press release. Here's the thing, though, as I'm trying to, the whole thing about the M4Gs is for the acting categories, and I'm pretty sure director, you can't be nominated unless you are 50 or older. That's the cutoff. Correct. And yet, Best Grown-up Love Story. to Wild Mountain Time. It seems insane because the grown-up love story you're talking about is 2.30-somethings. Like, early 30s.

Like, if, like, if Jamie Dornan's still in his 20s, I'd believe it. Like, that's, like, so what are we doing? Like, if we're... There's not, like, older people in a relationship. Do they mean John Hamm and Hot Lady on an airplane? I don't think so. I think what they... She could be 50.

How dare you, first of all? No, she could be... people in their 50s are hot. Well, yes, people in their 50s are hot. She does not seem to be in her 50s to me, but regardless. No, probably not, but maybe they assumed it. But I think the workaround when I was, because I was sort of then went back and like read the press release of their like nominees and whatnot.

And they try to be like, they make it squishy where they're like, people over 50 and the movies that appeal to them. And I'm like, okay. Well, now we're just opening the doors to like basically like anything your parents like. And it's just like, okay, well, that feels, I like things that are rigidly, you know, I like rules. I like the fact that there are an award that are just for people over 50 and just like make that, cut that off pretty, you know, pretty tightly. And anyway, wild mountain time, a fraudulent nominee in that category.

Nominee lost to Supernova movie. I did not like the gay love story where one of them is dying between. Stanley Tucci and Colin I saw all the reviews for that and nobody liked it and I'm like well that was going to bum me out because I'm either going to also not like a gay love story and that's going to bum me out or I'm going to like

it and be the one person who likes the movie everybody hates and nobody wants that also nominated same thing as Wild Mountain Time Emma again Emma period they're all in their 20s what the fuck losers

I mean they were in their 20s a couple hundred years ago Oh, so now they're in their hundreds of days. Yes. Yes, these characters are 200 years old. Well, now, okay. All right, you've sold me. You've sold me.

Ordinary love, a movie that I saw and no one else did, and I kind of liked it. I mean, it's Lee and Lisa and Leslie Manville. How are you going to lose? Yep, and she is, I believe it was breast cancer. Oh, that's sad. Bummer movie, but Leslie Manville, kind of great in it. That's fun. And then.

I mean, not fun. No, it is not a fun movie. It's fun that there's a movie with Liam Eason and Leslie Manville. Like, that's great. Right, right. And then this movie I had not heard about until I read these nominees called Working Man, that apparently was on VOD during the Pandy.

Talia Shire's in it. Yeah. That's fun. About a man who they lay off everybody at a factory, but he still keeps showing up for his job. This sounds like capitalism, propaganda. Well, yes, it sure does. And that's supposed to be heartwarming, but maybe it's not, you know, it could also be, you know, a sad, cautionary tale.

It could be. I mean, the posters and such, like, it does look sort of, you know, industrially sparse. Like, it doesn't look like it's, the poster does not look heartwarming. What's the tagline here? Hold on a second. Tagline is, when the job ends, the real work begins. Oh, yeah, that could be, like, you know, triumph of the working spirit or something like that. I don't know.

Sure. We'll see. Not we won't see. I won't see Working Man. It's fine. Yeah, I don't think so. Would you like to tell our listeners what the IMTV game is? Boy would I.

Every week, listeners, we end our episodes with the IMDB game, where we challenge each other with an actor or actress to try and guess the top four titles that IMDB says they are most known for. If any of those titles are television, voiceover performances, or non-acting credits, we mention that up front. After two wrong guesses, we get the remaining release years as a clue. Lou, and if that's not enough, it just becomes a free-for-all of hints. That's the I-N-D-B game.

And some time, basil, rosemary, parsley, cardamom. Cilontro, if you're into that. No cilantro, if not. Cilantro, if you're nasty. Yes, essentially, yes. I want to, okay, the thing with cilantro, where people are like, you are either, like, genetically predisposed to like it or you think it tastes like soap. I don't think it particularly tastes like soap, but I also don't like it.

So like where do I stand? Where do I fit in in this culinary? Can I tell you a horrifying thing that happened to me? Yes. You know how like your body chemistry changes every year? Or like every like seven years or something like that? Oh, we're like all of your cells, all of your cells, you're cellularly an entirely different person than you were seven years ago.

Yes. So you start liking different things, you know, you might have like, you might develop an allergy, those type of things. I had a sandwich that had too much cilantro on it, and I can't tell if it was too much cilantro, or if I am now one of those cilantro tastes like soap people. Did you used to love cilantro? Yeah. I mean, granted, I had never put as much cilantro on a Sammy as much as this one did that I ordered. I will say, you know who loves to put cilantro on something? Everybody who's ever worked at a Chipotle in their entire life, I have never tasted cilantro as strongly as I have

every single time I've ordered something from Chipotle. They fucking love that shit. See, it doesn't bother me there, but like this sandwich, and granted, it was like a pesto. I normally don't do pastos, but like, I was like, oh, this is what this is like. Here's my other consideration, though. It tastes like soap. I've never tasted soap, really. Really. Maybe it does taste like soap, and I wouldn't know.

Were you not a child who was? swore a lot. No. I was a very good child. Unfortunately, I know what soap tastes like. Because of that specifically? Don't cancel my parents for putting soap in my mouth. No, I find that oddly, like, that's quirky. That's quirky. I don't know. I find that quirky. Well, I'm a quirky person. Anyway, the IMDB game, would you like to give her guess first? Oh, sure. Why don't I give first? All right. All right. So, we mentioned the John Patrick Shams. Stanley Uvra, the John Patrick Shanley from Margaret. By the way, we didn't mention Lady Gaga accepting her Golden Globe win for American Horror Story and saying, I feel like I feel like I'm in that John Patrick Shanley movie, Moonstruck, which was, I just remember thinking that that was the most Lady Gaga, I'm from New York thing, that like other people who are not really from New York would think that Moonstruck was a Norman Jewison.

care. Like, she's like, Norman Jewison can go fuck himself. John Patrick Shanley is a theater writer, so I will credit him with this quintessentially New York movie because I am an Italian girl from New York. Anyway. Are you giving me Lady Gaga? No, unfortunately. No. One of the John Patrick Shanley movie is that he did the screenplay for was Congo, I mentioned, introduction to Lorellini, but also in that movie playing a dastardly sort. is Tim Curry. So I'm going to give you Mr. Tim Curry.

Why did I think we've done Tim Curry? I hope we haven't. Hold on. Have we? Hold on. Here's the thing, and I was going to say this in the lead up time. Wait, we have. Shit. Okay, give me a second. Let me find somebody else. We have done Tim Curry. Shit. We're closing in on episode 200. I think we may need to do a refresh on IMDB because it took me a long time to get to

who I got to today. You and I are of different minds on this. I feel like we should ride it till the wheels fall off, but. And then we're like, you know, I don't know. All right, here's what I will say. We're 2022 now. We have, if you're going to choose somebody that we've already done, it has to be somebody, uh, three, like from 2019 or earlier.

Like at this point in 2019 or earlier. What I was going to propose is once we've done episode. 200 listeners try to guess what episode 200 it's going to be it's going to be a banger um once we've done 200 anything episodes before 100 we can do an i mtp game again because it's probably also going to have updated for a lot of actors all right well this one was from before episode 50 so i'm just going to like do it because i don't want to take the time to look up anybody else plus it was plus it was when richard lawson guessed it on evening and we gave it to richard so neither one of us had to guess this.

So I'm going to say that we can do it. There's no television. But anyway, I am of the mind that there are enough actors in the world that we could keep doing original. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Yes, there's no television. Okay, so no it, no penny wise. Right.

Clue. Correct, clue. Rocky Horror. Correct, Rocky Horror. Home Alone 2. No, strike 1. Damn. No home alone, too.

Um, is Congo on there? Yes, Congo is on there. All right. That's like, the two things I remember about Congo are Laura Linney wears a hat. Because I love Lorelini and a hat. And I'm pretty sure Tim Curry gets, like, devoured by monkeys. He gets, yes, he does. He gets fucked up.

Or, like, beaten by monkeys. His character's name is Herkimer Hamulka. He is a, uh, probably a poacher of some sort. I don't know. He does not have good designs on those guerrillas, but anyway. All right, so you are three correct. You have one strike. I'm a little throne that Home Alone, too, isn't there.

Tim Curry. Mr. Timothy. Currie. Wild Mountain Curry. He did a bunch of stuff in the 90s, and it was a lot of kids' stuff. Nobody talks about this, even among this, like, franchise or this, like, universe, but Muppet's Treasure Island. I think that's a really good guess.

It is not correct, but I like that guess. Damn. All right, so your year for the remaining film is 1990. Hmm So pre-home-home two But post-clip Huh And it's not it

No Although probably the same year, I would think It was also 1990 It is 1990 or 91 Yeah, 90 Um Okay this is hard um he's not a lead in this he's a supporting character in this um well i'm gonna

dollars to donuts he was doing an accent like not like a like a not like a not his own accent but not an american accent either was he playing like a german no uh keep going east Russian? Yeah. Is this like a spy movie? Not specifically a spy movie, but like you're in the, you're in the, you know, you're in the, the, the, kitty pool adjacent to the, the actual pool. Oh, it's Hunt for Red October.

It is the Hunt for Red October. The hunt is on, as the poster says. That's one of those posters that has the tagline and then it has like two paragraphs of, like, actual plot where it's just like we're just going to like are you caught up on drag race yes i just watched it before we started can we talk about sean iconery wait what bosco said sean iconery i missed that in what context did bosco say shot i'm pretty sure it was in the untucked oh i haven't watched untucked yet that's that's why okay this this week this week did a lot to take the wind out of my sales and rooting for bosco it bumped me out i really thought bosco was going to go home i also

really thought whoever was going home this week was getting... Oh, we're like several weeks beyond. Like, I don't think we have to worry about spoilers. No, my thing with... Oh, no, no, no. I love Bosco.

And, like, I think Bosco's maybe, like, emotionally still maybe one of my favorites her in, her and, um, Angeria. But here's the thing is between the snatch game and then the lip syncs, and then her runway for the lip-sings, which was so similar to the runways of like the previous two, she's narrowing herself.

You know what I mean? She's just sort of like, she seemingly only does one type of lip sync, and she is now increasingly only doing one type of runway, where her runways used to be very, you know, varied. I agree. And it's a bummer because I really, really like Bosco. And it feels like the narrative is ramping up to Basco really wants it the most.

And I'm like, it feels like we're getting a heavier Bosco narrative just at a time where her performance is becoming less and less impressive. And it sucks because I love her. I know. Well, I do also think there's a certain level of, like, you talk about how every season there's a narrator. Like, people are always like,

well, that person's the narrator. Bosco is the narrator. Once Cornbread left, especially. Yes. Once Cornbread left, Bosco took over those duties. Yeah. I mean, again, this is weeks and weeks and weeks. The finale could even be the week that this airs, whatever. But, like, I ultimately think Lady Camden is winning, but for a season that has kind of a wide swath of really likable queens, which is surprising, given how it started, for whatever reason, Bosco is the one that I'm drawn to. I don't think Lady Camden is winning, because up until this week, her edit for the last few weeks has been very, like, really dismissive in a way that I'm just like, oh, they are, like, really doing her dirty. And she did perform the best out of anybody in that lip sync episode.

she was the clear highlight. I also think, like, there is a real power when you have, like, the season's biggest gag in that, like, that has a lot of weight and carries you. And, like, I feel like that fall

that fake out that she did is probably the biggest gag aside from Sasha Valour's finale. But it was followed up by a runway critique that was literally like, well, you had your good moment last week and now you're back to being middling.

And, like, that's a terrible edit for somebody. It reminds me a lot of Violet Chachke's Tartan Runway that reveal. Maybe, maybe. In, like, the power of that gang. I guess by the time people are listening to this, we'll know whether one of us was right. I don't think she's making the finale.

And I would love her too because I adore Lady Camden. I think she's going to be the safest to the finale. I mean, finale Except for maybe Diabetty because she's a villain Yeah, see, I think Diabetty's making the finals I do now too I didn't used to but now I do just because of how hard they're going on her narrative

All right, anyway, we've... Anyway, it's Joe's time for once again, it took me a while to get there because there's a lot of people that we've done I ended up going with a pun because who else could I give you for

Wild Mountain Time than a wild mountain Tyne. Tyn Daly? Your IMDIPE is Tyn Daily. Tyn Daily nominated for the Tony Award in lieu of Debra Messing that year. She was in a Terrence McNally play that I saw

that was literally like, I'm a gay man and I had problems with my mother and like that's the play. Was she the mother? She was the, oh yeah, she was sure the mother. What was this play? Oh, what was it called? It was literally called Mother's and Codels. It was called I'm a gay man and had problems with my mother.

No, I'm pretty sure it was called mothers and sons, but hold on, 24-12. Oh, Jesus Christ. It wasn't bad even. It was just like, but it was very, very sort of like, you know, it is what it is. Was Tynda-Mothers and Sons? Barking on stage, like, I'm never going to have any grandchildren. It wasn't quite to the level of

Mercedes Rule in, what should call it, Torch song, even though I loved Mercedes-Rul in the the latest revival of Torch song. It wasn't quite to that level, but it wasn't not that either. That was an interesting Tony lineup. Audre McDonald won for Lady Day at Emerson's Bar and Grill, which I did not actually see, but she played Billy Holiday.

And that was one of those, like, it's a play, but she does a lot of singing. It's not the one where it was Radio City, and she gets the massive standing ovation, and she's sobbing because she's like, how much do these people love me that I just keep winning? It's very, yeah. That was, I think that was her most recent win. But anyway, Tyne Daily for Mothers and Sons. Latanya Richardson Jackson for that most recent A Raisin in the Sun. Cherry Jones for the not most recent Glass Menagerie.

That was the Glass Menagerie that was before the Sally Field glass menagerie. There will never be a most recent class. That's true. By the time we've recorded this and by the time it's airing, there will have been another Glass Menagerie. Productions that are running of the Glass Menagerie are not the most recent Glass Menagerie. on Broadway. Dove Cameron as Amanda in the Glass Menagerie will have happened by the time. I think it's Amy Adams who's going to go to the Glass Menagerie in London.

Absolutely. And it's just like... I'm sure. Absolutely. Listen, the Glass Menagerie industrial complex needs to be shut down. And then the fifth nominee was, of course, the great Estelle Parsons in a play called The Velocity of Autumn, which to me is the absolute apex of... Not a real title.

Broadway Madlib's title, like, it's just, like, it's, I can't believe it's real. Like, the velocity of God, if that play is about anything other than a woman named Autumn who runs really fast, get out of town. If it's starring Estelle Parsons, I'm going to guess that it's not about a woman who runs really fast, but, um, it's a one woman's show about a former Olympic, um, relay runner named Autumn. I'm going to bet it's about it's about. somebody coming to terms with something. I'll tell you that much. Okay. So Tyne Daily. See, great... Two television. I was going to say. So, like, Tyne Daily is far more famous for both her television and stage work than for film. If it's two television, it's going to be Cagney and Lacey. Correct. And judging Amy. Correct. Okay. So two films for the great and wonderful Time Daily. I am

already up a creek. I can't think of a single besides like Spider-Man Homecoming. And I don't think she's going to be in it for Spider-Man Homecoming. Oh, you're not guessing

Spider-Man Homecoming. You know what? I'm going to need the years eventually. So yes, I'll guess Spider-Man homecoming. Correct. Yes?

Spider-Man homecoming. That's insane and unwell. She's in one scene of that. That's amazing. All right. So now I'm still no closer to getting years, but I only need one more

to get a perfect score on Tyne Daily. I feel like it's like she was probably in like a lot of like those Neil Simon movies. Oh, wait, no. She was in, speaking of Sally Field. She was Sally Field's best friend in Hello, my name is Doris. Is it that?

She is so good in that movie. She is. She is. Damn it! Okay. I like her a lot in that. Tine Daily was so good in. something. What a non-statement I just made.

Of course she's good at that. Of course she is great in a movie called Hello, My Name is Doris. Like, duh. All right. Oh, golly. What else has Tyne daily been in? I feel like this last... You gotta get one more wrong till I can give you the year.

Oh, all right. And it's not... It may not even be the year that helps you, but like, I can get you there with hints, and probably not many. all right well since i'm going to have no luck trying to think of anything that she was in in like the 80s or whatever i should think of something recent oh she's in briefly the ballot of buster scrugs is it that yes it is okay thank god well done okay jesus mother effort all right good that's a good one that's for an i mdb game that you came across because of

of a pun. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. You know, I do think she probably spends some time on a mountain. Yeah. Just with her metal detector looking for stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

Nobody goes wild in wild mountain time. Here's the thing. Not a single person. Not a single person goes wild in that movie. A person who believes that he is a bee doesn't even go wild. No. He's the most restrained one. Insane.

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